Speaker 1: I'm so close to clicking leaf meeting. Every time that
Speaker 1: that bullshit comes up, it's like, yes, I consent, That's
Speaker 1: why I'm fucking here. All right. So we we're starting
Speaker 1: with that line from Daniel Well, come to spooky. It
Speaker 1: could happen here today. We are discussing a truly spooky topic,
Speaker 1: one that everyone is just really gonna hate. Uh, and
Speaker 1: it's we're talking about let's say, esoteric Kecki is um
Speaker 1: and me magic. So Shanni, my brothers and sisters come
Speaker 1: along on a right shadow. We read a whole book
Speaker 1: for this, Oh at least I did you read a
Speaker 1: book just for this? I would say that like all
Speaker 1: of the books I read from age nineteen to twenty
Speaker 1: two prepared me have that had been preparing here for this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the books I read while I was doing psychedelics twice
Speaker 1: a week. All Really, we're good background on this subject.
Speaker 1: That is that is true? You want to kick us
Speaker 1: off and I don't. So I think firstly we're talking
Speaker 1: about we're gonna we're gonna emphasize awareness over amplification or
Speaker 1: that kind of my my goal for this is that
Speaker 1: we can all be more aware of kind of the
Speaker 1: power that images on the Internet can have over influencing
Speaker 1: the actual world, and talking about people who believe this
Speaker 1: to a ridiculous degree and how they actually have been
Speaker 1: able to institute change not only because of this belief,
Speaker 1: just because of their dedication to this practice, because it's
Speaker 1: it's because it's a thing that exists and it has
Speaker 1: had real world ramifications, and it's good to understand that
Speaker 1: that's a thing, and that also maybe we can influence
Speaker 1: the way we like us use the Internet to also
Speaker 1: maybe make good things happen as opposed to just being
Speaker 1: doomers all the time. Um So that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I wanted to start with many jubs to that garrison
Speaker 1: complete keck with you God. Although to be fair, the
Speaker 1: past few days I have just been spamming the it
Speaker 1: could happen here a group chat with horrible nonsense surround keck.
Speaker 1: It has been the most insufferable week of my life.
Speaker 1: Horrible nonsense like like paragraphs, paragraph paragraphs, walls of text
Speaker 1: so big. Any any actually safe working environment that cared
Speaker 1: about its employees would have fired you long ago. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: I think the other thing that we should definitely mention
Speaker 1: is that any type of like occultism mysticism or like
Speaker 1: woo woo um has actually does have a decent history
Speaker 1: within right wing political ideas and specifically like you know,
Speaker 1: like more extreme like right wing um stuff in the
Speaker 1: past few years. Like everyone's most people know that, like
Speaker 1: the modern not like the like the early Nazis had
Speaker 1: some mystical stuff going on. There's a lot more stuff
Speaker 1: going behind the scenes. A lot of their favorite authors
Speaker 1: also were like practicing occultists. Um, so this is this
Speaker 1: is this is a thing that goes back awhile you
Speaker 1: can even see this to some degree with like how
Speaker 1: close Christianity is to a lot of the right wing
Speaker 1: to a lot of like the modern right wing the
Speaker 1: States as well, a lot of what we would consider
Speaker 1: evangelical Christianity has a lot of stuff that's actually very
Speaker 1: similar to occultism. They just use different terms because occultism
Speaker 1: and and like magic is taboo. But it's actually the
Speaker 1: same things. It's all like just it's inter it's interacting
Speaker 1: with the same systems, just with different words. So like
Speaker 1: this is this is the thing that is is not
Speaker 1: it's it's not just on the internet. This is thing
Speaker 1: that's been going on for thousands of years in particular,
Speaker 1: the past one years, we've seen a big rise in
Speaker 1: the amount of like occultism and mysticism specifically tied to politics. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's this. I mean there have been a couple
Speaker 1: of articles written just recently about the fact that a
Speaker 1: lot of like the Woo Woo left, the kind of
Speaker 1: um not really esoteric, but kind of mainstream a CULTI left,
Speaker 1: like the popa culti left, has has increasingly turned towards
Speaker 1: stuff like Q and On. And a big chunk of
Speaker 1: it is like this this openness to like feel power
Speaker 1: in coincidences, synchronicity would be there, and and just a
Speaker 1: general open mindedness to um, maybe too many things. Sure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's you can see this on on on
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of sides because it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it is definitely not just the right wing. I
Speaker 1: mean it's like the biggest example of it would probably
Speaker 1: be facets of Q and On the past few years
Speaker 1: have done very similar types of things. Uh, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of other stuff going on behind the scenes, like
Speaker 1: how how Pepe operated was very similar to that, which
Speaker 1: is what we're mainly talking about today. Um, but you
Speaker 1: know there is also stuff like this on on the
Speaker 1: left wing, whether it be like new a g type
Speaker 1: stuff that seems to kind of mostly be bullshit, but
Speaker 1: there's a you know other other type of like like
Speaker 1: like like folk magic or like indigenous traditions that have
Speaker 1: that have I would say slightly more uh significantly more
Speaker 1: like there's reasonable actually stuff going on as opposed to
Speaker 1: just like New Age selling books and that kind of stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the things that also separates actual religion from
Speaker 1: religion that kind of has formed in this nomadic way
Speaker 1: recently is that all of this stuff, particularly what we're
Speaker 1: talking about today, formed simultaneously with political sentiment and as
Speaker 1: and and was was crafted and in a lot of
Speaker 1: cases like they state facts wrong specifically because they are
Speaker 1: trying to craft a political narrative alongside this like weird
Speaker 1: quasi spiritual things I speaking of spiritualism coming to the
Speaker 1: same kind of coming to the same and this is
Speaker 1: you know, we're all kind of anarchisty adjacent here. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that really came up around the
Speaker 1: same time as anarchism in the twentieth century was a
Speaker 1: concept called chaos magic, which was really really really tied
Speaker 1: to a lot of old really tied to a lot
Speaker 1: of like anarchist thought and anarchists kind of thinkers. Some
Speaker 1: of the most as chaos magicians are like explicitly anarchist,
Speaker 1: someone like Grant Morrison. Um. Others are like Discordians which
Speaker 1: have a lot of like anarchists crossover stuff, like like
Speaker 1: Robert Enton Wilson, which kind of operates in that same ocean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he played a big role in kind of pulling me
Speaker 1: away from proto alt right style beliefs. And I think
Speaker 1: also a lot of his work was very intelligently crafted
Speaker 1: because he wrote about conspiracies, He wrote about esoteric magic,
Speaker 1: but always with a really intent eye on increasing people's
Speaker 1: defenses to this kind of stuff what we're talking about today. Um,
Speaker 1: he was very like cognizant of that, Like he wrote
Speaker 1: about conspiracy as an enthusiast, but also as someone who
Speaker 1: was trying to stop um kind of unchecked conspiratorial belief. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he went awout about that in peculiar ways, but he
Speaker 1: was an odd man. Yeah. And the reason why I've
Speaker 1: been getting more into this type type of stuff the
Speaker 1: past year, uh increase, And the reason why I really
Speaker 1: like chaos magic as I like it as like a
Speaker 1: post modern system of magic of looking at how basically,
Speaker 1: if magic is just ideas and trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how our brains can interact with the physical world, then
Speaker 1: chaos magic introduces a lot of interesting stuff around like
Speaker 1: late stage capitalism, because it is is it's explicitly tied
Speaker 1: to to like postmodern art and postmodern thought, um in
Speaker 1: the way you know, brands and marketing and specifically the
Speaker 1: Internet all affects our minds. All this stuff. It gets
Speaker 1: talked about in Charos magic a lot, and I really
Speaker 1: like look using that framework for things um and speaking
Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff specifically around the Internet, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about. The first thing I want to
Speaker 1: mention is like the concept of searching for something and
Speaker 1: then you're like you're and you're gonna find it, whether
Speaker 1: that you know, Robert Enton Wilson and um. Like the
Speaker 1: illuminious Trilogies has like and like, and Discordianism has like
Speaker 1: twenty three and the Law of Fives. Right. I I
Speaker 1: read that book when I was twenty and I have
Speaker 1: been like seeing twenty three's repeatedly at like significant moments
Speaker 1: in my life for the last fourteen years or so. Like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's like once you get that kind of meme
Speaker 1: and planted in your brain, it can stick with you
Speaker 1: for forever. And and this this happens to everything. You know,
Speaker 1: This happens to This happens to everyone. Like once you
Speaker 1: learn about a new topic, the next day, you'll see
Speaker 1: it somewhere right you'll be like, you'll you'll you'll like it.
Speaker 1: And it's in all these places that you didn't see
Speaker 1: it before. This happens all of the time with everything.
Speaker 1: This is how this is like how synchronicity works, and
Speaker 1: this is where religions come from throughout history. And it's
Speaker 1: because like this all has its roots in why we're
Speaker 1: very good hunters. We are patterned were pattern recognition, Like
Speaker 1: our brains are pattern recognizing machines. That's what we're best at.
Speaker 1: And it means that we're good at spotting berries and
Speaker 1: tracking deer. And it also means that we can't stop
Speaker 1: making religions religions. And if we have one too many synchronicities,
Speaker 1: we can change the entire way we view about the
Speaker 1: like the whole world, which can have varying degrees of effects.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I can if it's just a little bit that
Speaker 1: can maybe actually be very helpful. If you join a
Speaker 1: weird cult that does messed up stuff, then it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a problem. Sometimes it ends in burning man, and
Speaker 1: sometimes it ends in burning men. Yeah, drop the bomb
Speaker 1: on that one. So first thing I want to kind
Speaker 1: of discuss before we get into the actual timeline of
Speaker 1: how pep bank Because became a thing, I want to
Speaker 1: just do a brief overview of sigils and memes um
Speaker 1: and the idea of what like, let's let's take the
Speaker 1: original concept of the meme, which is like, you know,
Speaker 1: the it's genes are genetic, memes are cultural. There's are
Speaker 1: cultural ideas that can spread like a virus um and
Speaker 1: usually memes. In the since since since the Internet has
Speaker 1: become way more popular, memes have become more tied to images,
Speaker 1: like like, memes are a much more visual thing now,
Speaker 1: whereas in the nineties they were more of just like
Speaker 1: like an idea concept, but now they have like in
Speaker 1: this extra visual backing. So a sigil is a is
Speaker 1: an magical concept tend mostly to chaos. Magic, which is
Speaker 1: basically an abstract concept um or or like as a
Speaker 1: specific concept put into an abstract image that then gets
Speaker 1: charged and then it's going to manifest itself in your life.
Speaker 1: The reason why this works, it's because part part of
Speaker 1: this desire gets implanted deep in your brain when you
Speaker 1: charge it through like a trance or there's a there's
Speaker 1: there's like there's different methods of charging sigils, but you
Speaker 1: have this, you have this concept and this idea and
Speaker 1: this desire and it gets put into you. So you're
Speaker 1: gonna kind of subconsciously do things that that influence it
Speaker 1: into becoming something that you can see. Just like you know,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're looking, if you hear about twenty three,
Speaker 1: you're gonna see it. Same thing for this. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's the same kind of based concept. UM and
Speaker 1: then Grant Morrison of Comic book Writers my favorite comic
Speaker 1: book writer. He he was, he's really the only person
Speaker 1: that's developed sigils more since their inception. UM with the
Speaker 1: concept of a hyper sigil, which is taking this theme
Speaker 1: idea of like wanting to influence change in the world
Speaker 1: via this visual medium of a sigil, and instead of
Speaker 1: just having it be like an abstract glyph that you charge,
Speaker 1: hyper sigil is an entire work of art with this
Speaker 1: express interest. UM so everything that you do in this
Speaker 1: is trying to get some type of real world change,
Speaker 1: and it's very very intentional, right, and a lot of
Speaker 1: art already oprights like this. This is why a lot
Speaker 1: of postmodern magic is very similar just to like making art,
Speaker 1: because it's the same kind of basic idea, whether that
Speaker 1: be something like you know, like the matrix or you know,
Speaker 1: any any type of art kind of does this already
Speaker 1: if it is good, um, and it in it confined
Speaker 1: ways to influence reality. So memes operate on this same way.
Speaker 1: And eventually people actually found it. Eventually people on four
Speaker 1: ch and realized that they that they were doing sigils
Speaker 1: and started using this word because it's really the same
Speaker 1: thing when you're when you're altering all of these images
Speaker 1: of this frog and posting it into all these different
Speaker 1: kind of more abstract more like ugly obscure kind of
Speaker 1: like weird like surreal types of types of memes, and
Speaker 1: you're spamming them on politicians Twitter account. You're basically doing
Speaker 1: a group a group schedule and a group hyper sedul
Speaker 1: because you're all making these individual things and you're spamming
Speaker 1: them into the world, and because there's so many of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have they're gonna have a real world effect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they're gonna have a real world effect in part
Speaker 1: because of the way human brains work, in part because
Speaker 1: of the way algorithms work, which is one of the
Speaker 1: things where like it's it's easy, especially if you're an
Speaker 1: impressionable kid, to mistake the algorithm doing what it's designed
Speaker 1: to do, which is find patterns groups of people sharing
Speaker 1: something and expand that to a larger group of people.
Speaker 1: Go oh, if this cluster of people like this, this
Speaker 1: will probably be something that's very Algorithms are great at
Speaker 1: making synchronicities because that's what you're designed to do. That's
Speaker 1: what they're supposed that that's the whole point of why
Speaker 1: they exist, and that's why this is that that that's
Speaker 1: why are because as you stated a little earlier, and
Speaker 1: one of these days on Bastards, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: Helena Blovotsky and like the Theosophy movement and more detail,
Speaker 1: like all of the occult stuff that fed into the
Speaker 1: Third the early stage of the Third Reich. But the
Speaker 1: cult back then is very different from the kind of
Speaker 1: a cult feeding into fascism now, which is heavily based
Speaker 1: around synchronicity, because it's also heavily based around social media
Speaker 1: and the way memes bread. Yeah, that's why I thinks
Speaker 1: what the chaos magic has really gotten kind of a
Speaker 1: resurgence the past few years with social media and how
Speaker 1: algorithms developed, because they do mirror a lot of the
Speaker 1: concepts within chaos magic, because the Internet is kind of
Speaker 1: a chaotic place, but it's also it's not just pure chaos.
Speaker 1: It is chaos within a framework of order, which is
Speaker 1: why I like the like the like the chaos star,
Speaker 1: like the like the actual like chaos like sigil. Yes,
Speaker 1: the errors of pointing in every direction, but you can
Speaker 1: make a perfect circle around all of the arrows. It's
Speaker 1: because it's not just pure chaos. It actually is contained
Speaker 1: within this other framework. And by the way, Garrison, when
Speaker 1: you started talking about u synchronic cities and sigils, I
Speaker 1: checked my phone for a second and saw that it
Speaker 1: was five seventeen on October five. Of course contains both
Speaker 1: two and three, and as thus a sacred number October
Speaker 1: twenty three. I shouldn't have to explain why that significant.
Speaker 1: And remember Robert, it's yeah, but it's three on my phone.
Speaker 1: Why is my phone's fucked up? Because because because the universe. Baby,
Speaker 1: that's the synchronicity. I'm living in the future, motherfucker's And
Speaker 1: what time is it that it's not right now? It
Speaker 1: was my phone and the other time it is. I
Speaker 1: don't need to know what time it is your default reality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're you're on a different, different dimensional plane. Now
Speaker 1: we have two into two different ones. I think. I
Speaker 1: think this ship, I think this gives up gives us
Speaker 1: a perfect opportunity for the audience to find their own
Speaker 1: synchronicities in these ads, because who knows what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: what's gonna play, So look for patterns and you'll find them.
Speaker 1: Here's some I hope it's an ad for the Egyptian
Speaker 1: goddess mod and we are back, We're gonna, We're gonna
Speaker 1: now actually kind of get into some of the some
Speaker 1: of the actual Peppe nonsense. Um. I think. And another
Speaker 1: important part to mention is that like for a lot
Speaker 1: of people doing this online, this this is like an
Speaker 1: online pattern that happens all the time. Um, it happens
Speaker 1: with it happens with stuff like this, it happens with
Speaker 1: with with cat boys. It happens with a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff. Is that like stuff starts as a joke
Speaker 1: and then you do it a lot and the repetition
Speaker 1: basically makes you do it genuinely. Yeah, like me talking
Speaker 1: about getting all of my followers to a compound in
Speaker 1: Idaho where we die fighting the f d A exactly,
Speaker 1: Literally that turns into an actual death cult. So it's
Speaker 1: it's it starts as a joke and then under repetition
Speaker 1: it becomes genuine. This happens to basically almost everything on
Speaker 1: the internet. Yeah, this, this, this, this, this leads to
Speaker 1: Garrison and I doing the inevitable Robert Evans Behind the
Speaker 1: Bastards episode episode Yeah, the three part or if I
Speaker 1: ever heard one? You you hope? So you wish what
Speaker 1: what are what are catboys? This that is different? That's
Speaker 1: a different you're here? That is a different podcast. Think, Yeah, Hi, sorry,
Speaker 1: I know I only enter Jake briefly. Is that is that?
Speaker 1: Are they are they like pre furries? Is that some different? No?
Speaker 1: Cowboys Fury It's kind of it's it's it's it's rehumanizing
Speaker 1: the it's rehumanizing the Furies. So like the same way,
Speaker 1: the same way the same way Sonic the Hedgehog is
Speaker 1: a re mickey mousification of vegeta. Uh, catboys are a
Speaker 1: humanification of furries. This is a whole process on the
Speaker 1: I can explain this in great detail in the later episode,
Speaker 1: but I think we have enough. We have enough to
Speaker 1: talk about already. Thank you so much, my dog. Okay.
Speaker 1: Sure would someone be willing to sacrifice their own mentality
Speaker 1: to describe the rise of Pepe and just originally in
Speaker 1: the early twenty teens, Yeah, so it started as this
Speaker 1: guy's comic that there was nothing particularly worried about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just it was a dude's comic. He was like, uh,
Speaker 1: feels good man was kind of a good man. He
Speaker 1: was a chill dude. He was a chill dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not a fascist comic. Peppe is actually pretty fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: comic Pepe, He's like he's like a millennial slacker who
Speaker 1: doesn't really know what to do with his life after
Speaker 1: like after nine eleven, after the financial crash. He's just
Speaker 1: trying to kind of get by the comics. Fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the comics fine, but the art just that kind of
Speaker 1: the specifics of how he drew Pepe made him very
Speaker 1: well suited for a meme because he's expressive and he
Speaker 1: so he shows up and starts getting spread in four chan,
Speaker 1: and you know, that kind of idea goes viral, and
Speaker 1: it particularly gets attached to a lot of like the
Speaker 1: political ship on Pole and the people who are like
Speaker 1: churning into gamer Gate and the right sad Pepe gets
Speaker 1: very popular, Smug Pepe gets very popular. Yeah. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then as so Kick is chee chext of it, like
Speaker 1: later on, I think we'll go over more for like
Speaker 1: how Pepe is like the cartoon character got you know,
Speaker 1: as soon as it becomes a meme, it spreads out
Speaker 1: into all corners. And the people who meaned this hardest
Speaker 1: we were on Fortune. So this is how pep Peppe
Speaker 1: became kind of tied to this. And I think the
Speaker 1: last bullet in Pepe really solidifying him as as an
Speaker 1: alt right memes specifically was the Richard Spencer punch. I
Speaker 1: think I think that's the thing that actually was like done.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, Pepe is just this now, he can't
Speaker 1: be anything else because but when when when Richard Spencer
Speaker 1: was being punched, he was describing what Pepe was. That
Speaker 1: was what's happening in that specific viral moment. If you
Speaker 1: want to talk about like magical terms, this is Pepe
Speaker 1: getting like charged, Like this is the idea of like
Speaker 1: this idea getting getting charged because it is now going
Speaker 1: to be preflated to the masses in this in this
Speaker 1: moment of like pure motion. So that's when Pepe really
Speaker 1: gets tight. And I think Hillary Clinton made it very,
Speaker 1: very worse the way she talked about this kind of
Speaker 1: stuff on her speeches basically gave gave the alt right
Speaker 1: a baseball bat to hit her with. The the problem
Speaker 1: that Clinton and everyone else because like a big part
Speaker 1: of I would argue that like the largest part of
Speaker 1: why Pepe became a thing that was destined to last
Speaker 1: was that pundits and politicians, including Hillary and media people
Speaker 1: kept talking about it as a fascist symbol and kept
Speaker 1: discussing like what it was, and that anyone who grew
Speaker 1: up on the Internet, who grew up around these communities,
Speaker 1: knows that you ignore them as much as possible, to
Speaker 1: the extent that that's possible. You don't feed the troll
Speaker 1: you don't give them power, Yeah you don't, And and
Speaker 1: talking about it again, this is like cast matic like
Speaker 1: referencing it, bringing it up. Bringing it into the real
Speaker 1: world gives it power. That's the thing that feeds it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that that's how it got so much more power.
Speaker 1: The more Clinton talked about it, the more news media
Speaker 1: wrote about it, everyone got so excited on unfortune. That's like,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's like, that is them winning, then them
Speaker 1: seeing this thing, and and then and then this goes
Speaker 1: back pre even being far. I can remember because I
Speaker 1: was in these spaces when they first started doing ship
Speaker 1: like raids on the Church of Scientology. Every time there
Speaker 1: would be actual, like news coverage of what people on
Speaker 1: the Internet did, it got people so fucking excited because
Speaker 1: like the Internet had been this thing that didn't matter
Speaker 1: for the longest I think in the in in the
Speaker 1: book I read about this kind of stuff. They they
Speaker 1: did use the example of like Anonymous and the raids
Speaker 1: on Centology being like a precursor to this type of
Speaker 1: like me magic of this thing like like internet forums
Speaker 1: influencing the real world through repetition and getting getting to
Speaker 1: grow power, but getting people who don't use Internet to
Speaker 1: talk about these same things. It was like a precursor
Speaker 1: to then what we what we saw the al right,
Speaker 1: which is which is a pretty pretty common opinion. Um.
Speaker 1: And then and then enter enter the Egyptian gods. Robert
Speaker 1: st wanna do you wanna? Don't wanna? I don't want
Speaker 1: to discuss that. We're gonna That's what we're gonna say.
Speaker 1: Next is, how's this intersex with Egyptian gods? The ancient
Speaker 1: Pharaoh's played a card game of ancient and terrible power. Man,
Speaker 1: nobody wants you as a kid. This is no man, Robert,
Speaker 1: do you wanna? Do you wanna? Do you wanna? Do
Speaker 1: you want to discuss keck? Yeah? I mean so way
Speaker 1: back in the day, um, and I think I think
Speaker 1: this even pre dates World War Craft. I remember at
Speaker 1: first happening on like StarCraft games online, there would be
Speaker 1: like gamers from Korea, and like when you were doing
Speaker 1: like a Zurg rush or something, which is when you
Speaker 1: have a bunch of guys and they all attack the
Speaker 1: enemy base or whatever, they would type out their term
Speaker 1: for l O L, which was like keck k e
Speaker 1: K yeah okay u k so would usually just look
Speaker 1: like a stream of ku k e k k k
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. This really took off
Speaker 1: in World War Aircraft, where like there were Korean gold
Speaker 1: farmers were a big thing, and like keck was something
Speaker 1: that like everyone kind of knew what it meant because
Speaker 1: it was often the only thing you can understand. You
Speaker 1: could you could understand as an American that like these
Speaker 1: people would be typing um and it as a result
Speaker 1: of kind of all of that, it took off an
Speaker 1: internet culture as just an l O L and specifically
Speaker 1: like one of the things that's going on here as
Speaker 1: the mid auts dawn and the Internet becomes serious business,
Speaker 1: and like social media really and everybody's even before social
Speaker 1: media is dominant, but just when everybody's taking the Internet seriously,
Speaker 1: it's clear there's a lot of money in it. It's
Speaker 1: it's mainstream. You have this this kind of second generation
Speaker 1: of Internet people who got on in the late nineties
Speaker 1: early two thousand's when they were kids, who get frustrated
Speaker 1: at the fact that all of these different terms and
Speaker 1: phrases and like bits of Internet culture that they had
Speaker 1: identified with our going mainstream and are using them. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And keck is everyone knows what l O L is.
Speaker 1: People don't know what keck is. So in places like
Speaker 1: four Chune, that becomes a really popular thing, and keck
Speaker 1: kind of is like so keck as a as a
Speaker 1: term for laughters, like floating around at the same time
Speaker 1: as like Pepe memes, and so whenever you whenever you
Speaker 1: like meme something into the mainstream, whenever like some four
Speaker 1: chan opera whatever you wanna call it, like succeeds in
Speaker 1: getting main stressed it. It's as Hiller Clinton mentions Peppe
Speaker 1: on stage, everyone in fourtune goes kick because they're laughing.
Speaker 1: They go can they say, like top keck and whatnot?
Speaker 1: And and and eventually somebody realizes that there's an Egyptian goddess.
Speaker 1: One of the translations of that god and goddess his
Speaker 1: name is k e k Um. Now there's a couple
Speaker 1: of other translations. There's there's there's there's a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of issues with this if you want to look at it.
Speaker 1: That's with the rational kind of brain is because like this,
Speaker 1: there was this old family of god's are very very
Speaker 1: old old Egyptian gods. They all had male and female versions.
Speaker 1: The male versions all had frog heads um and but
Speaker 1: around frogs can change their gender. Ye, So like so
Speaker 1: like all of the all this whole era of Egyptian
Speaker 1: gods all had frog heads. So they is one of
Speaker 1: them that was named Keck, who was a god of chaos.
Speaker 1: And this also played into how Fortune was using Trump
Speaker 1: because like they liked Trump mostly as like as like
Speaker 1: a chaotic reforce that got people angry, because that's what
Speaker 1: that's what Fortune wanted to do as well. They wanted
Speaker 1: to be a chaotic force again that gets people angry.
Speaker 1: That's why they really latched onto Trump. Um. And then
Speaker 1: when they found out that, oh there's this god named
Speaker 1: Keck who is like the lord of like like like
Speaker 1: um like pro that's what's the word um, primordial darkness,
Speaker 1: primordial darkness. Yeah, and this idea not even chaos yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of like um um urinus and like Greco Roman faith, right,
Speaker 1: like a god kind of before the gods that are
Speaker 1: are more well known. But like this was a synchronicity.
Speaker 1: So they took it as like, you know, the same
Speaker 1: way religions take take synchronicity and create and create like divinity.
Speaker 1: They took this as like this take they took this
Speaker 1: as like divinity. Again. This this starts as a joke,
Speaker 1: but you do it enough and you start to take
Speaker 1: it serious, sleigh, and there's a you get a mix
Speaker 1: of um, you get a mix of of real like
Speaker 1: Egyptology was that Yeah, there was a god named Kick,
Speaker 1: like among a bunch of other gods. One of the
Speaker 1: ways he was depicted was with a frog head. But
Speaker 1: also like bad Egyptology. Like I found an article on
Speaker 1: the word plus press blog Peppe the Frog Faith, which oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sure this, I'm sure this is like a bastion
Speaker 1: of archaeology, and and the title is amateur egyptologist weighs
Speaker 1: in on the frog statue hieroglyphs. And one of the
Speaker 1: things he points out are talking about the frog statues
Speaker 1: that isn't check but they thought it was Kick yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and a number of things. So like one of the
Speaker 1: things this guy claims is that the hieroglyphics for keeck
Speaker 1: are a frogman um and then a couple of what
Speaker 1: he calls baskets. First up their cups, not baskets. Second,
Speaker 1: the actual um uh hieroglyphics for for k e K
Speaker 1: don't include the little frogman. They're like the two of
Speaker 1: the little cups in this weird T shaped thing. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all, it's all, like it's bad again, amateur egyptologist,
Speaker 1: Like he's just a kid who is googling stuff and
Speaker 1: like got some either lie or got some hieroglyphics wrong.
Speaker 1: But but Keck as like an idea of like now
Speaker 1: we have a backing of an ancient god again first
Speaker 1: as a joke, but then some people start to take
Speaker 1: it more seriously. Really really caught on among people because
Speaker 1: because it's funny, Like it's it's just funny, and it's
Speaker 1: gonna catch on on for chat because it's hilarious, right,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna start using this and repeating this and
Speaker 1: creating a whole new memes, creating Like there's like there's
Speaker 1: like an eight eight part book series that's like fake
Speaker 1: books written by like someone who's like just me big
Speaker 1: but pretending to take it seriously. But like the authenticity
Speaker 1: doesn't actually matter because because it exists, it doesn't actually
Speaker 1: matter how authentic it is. Yeah, Like and there's there's
Speaker 1: weird coincidences that continue to occur, Like one of the
Speaker 1: biggest being there's this like phrase shadow at which creeps
Speaker 1: up in all of this and becomes like this exhortation
Speaker 1: that they use like a way of like exclaiming and such.
Speaker 1: And then somebody figures out that shad is also a
Speaker 1: song like an aallow disco song I think from the seventies,
Speaker 1: and the album that shadows on has like a frog
Speaker 1: man face on the cover. Um, And so they're like,
Speaker 1: it's a sign of the because you're gonna find frogs
Speaker 1: wherever you look now, because that has becomes the uncommon frogs.
Speaker 1: You're gonna find them everywhere now and there are every
Speaker 1: ancient religion everywhere in the world. I'm gonna get guarantee
Speaker 1: there's some fucking frogs in it, because like they're everywhere,
Speaker 1: and they're they're old creatures. People pay to frogs. They've
Speaker 1: been around for a long time. The frogs have been
Speaker 1: around a wild So the frog the other the other
Speaker 1: thing that happened. So people not only basically created their
Speaker 1: whole mythology around this, creating different types of religion. There
Speaker 1: was like Keckism as a religion, the cult of keck
Speaker 1: um esoter Keechism, all of their own distinct differences. Because
Speaker 1: these people spend all their time on the internet. Um,
Speaker 1: they developed all these things. And they also found this
Speaker 1: old frog statue that they said keck it actually it
Speaker 1: isn't it's actually it's actually a gold called heck it um.
Speaker 1: But on the basis does it does it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: But on the base of the statue it had. It
Speaker 1: had glyphs which appear to us modern humans as they
Speaker 1: look like someone sitting on a computer. Like they look
Speaker 1: like someone sitting in front of a monitor on a keyboard. Um.
Speaker 1: And on the other side of the keyboard is a
Speaker 1: DNA is like what looks like a DNA spiral. So
Speaker 1: this is like like jeans, right, jeans, jeans are DNA.
Speaker 1: Memes are cultural DNA. This is a glyph of the
Speaker 1: god Teck on a statue with someone on a computer
Speaker 1: with a DNA spiral. Of course they're gonna take this
Speaker 1: is like some like message from the from the gods.
Speaker 1: You're like, yes, I'm supposed to be. I am supposed
Speaker 1: to be by my meming, I'm doing Kex's work to
Speaker 1: put Trump into office. Yeah, it's um God, that's frustrating Insurance,
Speaker 1: it sure is. But like all of those in the group,
Speaker 1: this is like the statue was just a depiction of
Speaker 1: what the check people and the and the Pepper standards
Speaker 1: were doing posting on the internet to manifest real world change.
Speaker 1: And that's that's all it is. If you want to
Speaker 1: see other examples of this, like if you look at
Speaker 1: the ancient alien stuff, there's this like famous my Mayana
Speaker 1: hieroglyph of the astronomer that's like if you if you
Speaker 1: know what a telescope is, because you're looking at it
Speaker 1: a thousand years after it was carved, it kind of
Speaker 1: looks like it might be a telescope, and it's part
Speaker 1: of what like people say like, oh, this is proof
Speaker 1: that like that this is an alien Like he's looking
Speaker 1: at a fucking telescope. No, it was, there's other explanations
Speaker 1: for it. It was something like that somebody carved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's another thing that you start and I
Speaker 1: see this like not even like I see this just
Speaker 1: this is just on the end of all time, like
Speaker 1: I see left, just do this or like so like okay,
Speaker 1: so you learn something and then oh it's not true,
Speaker 1: but then people will keep spreading the thing because they'll
Speaker 1: say people, yeah, yeah, it has more power with it,
Speaker 1: so you're still gonna believe it. Yeah, Like when we
Speaker 1: talk about the fact that Will Wheaton murdered three people
Speaker 1: in if you repeat this is the message like yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah with a knife, what's horrible yeah. Now, I mean
Speaker 1: he was in Thailand at the time, so he was
Speaker 1: able to get out and we don't extra diet, so
Speaker 1: he's he's got out scott free. But yeah, but I
Speaker 1: mean like this is like the same this is the
Speaker 1: same thing that Trump does, which we'll talk about it,
Speaker 1: but we'll talk about a bit. It's like if you
Speaker 1: would repeat the thing enough, it becomes true for large
Speaker 1: swats of the population that that's that's that's all truth
Speaker 1: actually needs to be for people. Um, I think I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna go and break uh and come back
Speaker 1: and close us, close us up, and finally finished this
Speaker 1: horrible discussion. Um. Anyone know who won't meme fascism? Well, actually, KFC,
Speaker 1: the have you seen have you seen the KFC fascist
Speaker 1: posting on Twitter? Yeah, there's like a Spanish KFC account
Speaker 1: that has been doing that that it's up to some ship.
Speaker 1: I hate I hate that. That's a sentence that that
Speaker 1: that you got to say. I just hate it. For products,
Speaker 1: And we are back. I have finished an entire dark
Speaker 1: meat bucket and I am so full. Um yep. And
Speaker 1: now now I'm sad. I'm sad because I'm still thinking
Speaker 1: of the fascist KFC Twitter account. Um so we we
Speaker 1: The other thing I want to do, want to mention
Speaker 1: is kind of Trump's own power of belief kind of
Speaker 1: idea and how Trump was basically using esoteric terms, was
Speaker 1: able to basically create an alternate reality for millions of
Speaker 1: people to live in. Um And there's really no getting
Speaker 1: through to them now because they are literally just in it,
Speaker 1: just in a different dimension. And there's just there's there's
Speaker 1: no way to pierce that other dimension. They're basically living
Speaker 1: in just a totally alternate reality. There's there's no use
Speaker 1: saying that it is the one that we live in. Um.
Speaker 1: So Trump is obsessed with a few of these ideas.
Speaker 1: He's less than like the like, He's less interested in
Speaker 1: like the woo and more interested in like the power
Speaker 1: of positive thinking, power of your own belief. He grew
Speaker 1: up in a movement and a specifically stuff. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: grew up following a specific movement and church called that
Speaker 1: falls under the umbrella called New Thought um, which is
Speaker 1: where Trump's you know, Trump's like like how strong Trump's
Speaker 1: ego is comes from this idea of that you need
Speaker 1: to reinforce yourself and reinforce your own victories because if
Speaker 1: you do that, you're gonna you're you're gonna find them.
Speaker 1: Right If if if you're looking for twenty three, you're gonna
Speaker 1: find it. If you're looking for your own victories, you're
Speaker 1: going to force them to happen, um, even if they
Speaker 1: don't happen into other people. Right. But like so that
Speaker 1: we see this happening successfully with the election, we see
Speaker 1: both like all of the meming, everything that happened in
Speaker 1: twenty in the Trustean election worked for Trump UM. And
Speaker 1: you know, you know, of course, of course he didn't
Speaker 1: win the popular vote, but that doesn't actually matter, but
Speaker 1: it worked into in getting him to office now it
Speaker 1: you know, it worked less well for the election um,
Speaker 1: but still his reassertions that he won still gave us
Speaker 1: a lot of real world results, like the January six
Speaker 1: Capital insurrection. So like it's this, right, so this type
Speaker 1: of idea that if you re if you if you
Speaker 1: reinforce this thing, if you reinforce this belief, if you can,
Speaker 1: if you have if you have this idea and you
Speaker 1: keep putting it out into the world, it's gonna manifest
Speaker 1: some type of real, real world result. And that that
Speaker 1: was January six, That's what that was. And and that's
Speaker 1: the kind of the world we live in now. It's
Speaker 1: like the weaponized unreality world where people become is of
Speaker 1: how media works. Because are the Internet works, they're able
Speaker 1: to create this like chaotic like the sphere of of
Speaker 1: energy and ideas that can like spread so much faster
Speaker 1: than anything used to be that could everyone can segment
Speaker 1: their own reality into two degrees that we've never really
Speaker 1: seen before because of how fast information can travel. Now, um,
Speaker 1: it is, it is it is a new it's it
Speaker 1: is a relatively new thing. The way that the way
Speaker 1: that this this this can operate, so like memes, memes
Speaker 1: themselves like Pepe and all this kind of stuff undoubtedly
Speaker 1: had had an impact on not only just the twenties
Speaker 1: sixteen election, but just the entire political climate surrounding the
Speaker 1: whole Trump presidency. Uh. Now, to the degree to which
Speaker 1: we can credit me magic or the god kick, that
Speaker 1: part is meaningless because because the effect is the same
Speaker 1: that like the synchronicities were still experienced and and truth
Speaker 1: is just is just experiential. So it's the beliefs that
Speaker 1: we kind of hold will shape how we experience things anyway,
Speaker 1: and that will experience what the actual truth is there's there.
Speaker 1: There is a great Robert Nton Wilson quote that is
Speaker 1: like reality is what you can get away with, yep.
Speaker 1: And that's that's like that that like summarizes how Trump
Speaker 1: was able to be so successful is because he was
Speaker 1: able to shape reality. Right. I think me and me
Speaker 1: and Chris were talking about this the other day about how, Chris,
Speaker 1: do you want to say the thing about like the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party and Republican Party and how okay, okay, So
Speaker 1: there's there's there's there's a thing and Garrison I think
Speaker 1: it was too young for this, but there's a very
Speaker 1: famous thing that that one of the Bushman Pedietrician people
Speaker 1: said about how Democrats lived in the reality based community.
Speaker 1: And this this is like a whole thing in the
Speaker 1: in like the two thousands. This is just in the
Speaker 1: Bush administration and everyone loses their minds and this is
Speaker 1: like a whole meme on the Democrats that's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're the reality based community and they're not. But but
Speaker 1: then this is the interesting part. If you look at
Speaker 1: the second part of that quote, right, we's actually saying
Speaker 1: is that so the Democrats are the reality based community, right,
Speaker 1: they they analyze reality. The Republican party is the party
Speaker 1: that creates reality because other people in control the empire.
Speaker 1: And this is this is what neo conservative this was right.
Speaker 1: And you know, the argument here basically is that the
Speaker 1: Democrats are you know, they're always going to be a
Speaker 1: step behind because they're merely analyzing reality, whereas Republicans using
Speaker 1: the powers or of the state to you know, change
Speaker 1: and define it. And this this worked for them, you
Speaker 1: know what. I would argue that this is how they
Speaker 1: came into power, This is how there's this is what
Speaker 1: they're still doing. Yeah. Yeah, why every president since Ronald
Speaker 1: Reagan has just been Ronald Reagan with a mask. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but I think I think there's something very important here,
Speaker 1: specifically about how Bush took office, right because Bush Bush
Speaker 1: steals the election, right, Bush does like the thing that
Speaker 1: Trump was trying to do is what George Bush did
Speaker 1: in two and two thousands, but with a riot, just
Speaker 1: with a very kind of riot. Yeah. But but this
Speaker 1: is the thing, the thing, this is the thing that
Speaker 1: Bush and the neo cons understood that the Trump is
Speaker 1: kind of understand but never quite solidified because they're not
Speaker 1: like they're not sort of insider political actors, Which is
Speaker 1: that Okay, so all of the stuff about saying something
Speaker 1: and it becoming real. Right, there's there there's sort of
Speaker 1: a limit to this if if you don't have a gun. Now,
Speaker 1: if you have a gun, then the limits of that
Speaker 1: are are you know, it's it's you can be basically
Speaker 1: whatever you want because you can just you can force
Speaker 1: everyone else to also accept this as reality that you know,
Speaker 1: this is what the state is. Right and there there's
Speaker 1: there's a whole there's a whole thing. This is a
Speaker 1: couple of performance theory. It's like, yeah, so like you
Speaker 1: you saying the thing makes it so right? Well, this
Speaker 1: is this is what a state is. And this is
Speaker 1: how Bush won the election because he, unlike Trump, who's
Speaker 1: people tried to like take power directly about like Stormy
Speaker 1: in the Capitol. Bush was smart and Bush was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna de clare that I won the election.
Speaker 1: And but but but instead of like openly doing it right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get the Supreme Court to declare that
Speaker 1: I'm president. And you know, and this this this requires
Speaker 1: the Brooks brothers, riots, stop the counts and all the stuff.
Speaker 1: We were like, you know, it's doesn't yeah, yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: But it's like it doesn't it doesn't matter that, you know,
Speaker 1: he he didn't win Florida, Like if if if if
Speaker 1: if if, if the if the votes had actually been counted,
Speaker 1: he would not have won Florida. But because he was
Speaker 1: able to get the courts to say that he was president,
Speaker 1: he was president. And and that's that is the concept
Speaker 1: of magic words yep, yep, and this is this is this,
Speaker 1: this is this is all the state is right, it's
Speaker 1: this this this the state is magic with a gun
Speaker 1: behind it. Yeah, it is, yeah, the state of magic.
Speaker 1: Because it's like, yeah, you're right. It's like magic can
Speaker 1: have a hard cap. There's going to be a certain
Speaker 1: people that you know, with with with Trump's reality altering
Speaker 1: kind of power, there's a certain that there is a
Speaker 1: hard cap on how much that can influence the general population.
Speaker 1: But if you have a gun behind that, that gives
Speaker 1: us so much more enforceable power. And to go back
Speaker 1: to Egyptian mythology, one of the attitudes they had about
Speaker 1: the pharaoh is that reality was whatever the pharaoh declared.
Speaker 1: Other a lot of societies of this idea towards their monarchs,
Speaker 1: and the duty of his people is to make reality
Speaker 1: conform to the Pharaoh's will, and like, that's that's what
Speaker 1: the GOP does. Like that fascist. So I think I
Speaker 1: think the quote surrounding like, yeah, the Democrats are the
Speaker 1: reality based party because they because they you know, observe
Speaker 1: reality and and like and yeah and and like and
Speaker 1: like and like. Libs and Democrats are like yes, they
Speaker 1: like they take this on prior, like, yes, we are rational,
Speaker 1: we observe reality. Meanwhile the Republicans like, no, you just
Speaker 1: observe it, but we can just we can create it.
Speaker 1: I think that is a great example of how those
Speaker 1: two parties operate politically and how like, yes they're both
Speaker 1: they're both right leading parties. But here's the difference for
Speaker 1: how they actually operate is that one of them is
Speaker 1: way more passive in their observing of reality and one
Speaker 1: is is okay with getting their hands dirty and actually
Speaker 1: forcing this type of reality altering changes. I will say,
Speaker 1: I think, like one thing to close this out is
Speaker 1: that you know we can we when we can tie
Speaker 1: this all the way back to the second part of
Speaker 1: the Duel Power episode, which is that the Nikon Kon
Speaker 1: project doesn't work, and the reason it doesn't work is
Speaker 1: that you know, they they like they basically they lose
Speaker 1: militarily and that just that implodes the entire project. And
Speaker 1: so you know, and if if if if you look
Speaker 1: back at like all of this stuff about how we
Speaker 1: can shape reality, we can shape reality, we can shape reality.
Speaker 1: That stopped being true the moment that you know, like
Speaker 1: they lose control of Bosra or like you know, all
Speaker 1: like they when the other people, Uhder is to be
Speaker 1: unkillable by all the weapons of Empire. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like you know, and and Sawder and Solder does this
Speaker 1: by like you know, Sauder sets up a bunch of
Speaker 1: baby clinics, right, He's like, here's a bunch of clinics.
Speaker 1: Heared we we we will will give help the pregnant mothers,
Speaker 1: like you guys really gonna shoot us. And you know,
Speaker 1: he builds a militia around this, and he's and he's
Speaker 1: able to like he's one of the smartest people on
Speaker 1: the planet. He's yeah, and he's not. It's not a
Speaker 1: good guy, but like completely shatter the neo cons like
Speaker 1: they they're dead, Like they don't like that. That project,
Speaker 1: which was like the culmination of this this incredible like
Speaker 1: into that described in electro projects of Trouble military project
Speaker 1: and they got their absolute ask kick by watch of
Speaker 1: people doing dual power. Yep, I think, and I I really,
Speaker 1: I do want to talk more about kind of chaos
Speaker 1: magic and there's a lot on the grounding, and I think,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think this is a great intrin how
Speaker 1: how these concepts overlapped with politics and reality. Disagree on
Speaker 1: the end of this with one aspect, Garrison, because you
Speaker 1: said their reality can't be pierced, But the ancient texts
Speaker 1: speak of a spear that once pierced the side of
Speaker 1: Christ itself, and while Hitler held it, his armies were ascended,
Speaker 1: but it was stolen. And if we can find this, Sparrison,
Speaker 1: we can pierce their reality. Hey, I have a Fedora,
Speaker 1: I have a whip. We could we all have Fedora, Garrison,
Speaker 1: do it. Let's go. We are We are off to
Speaker 1: find the spear that signs us off the sphere of destiny.
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