WEBVTT - Meme Magick & Esoteric Kekism: Spooky Week #2 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:09.960 I'm so close to clicking leaf meeting. Every time that 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:12.080 that bullshit comes up, it's like, yes, I consent, That's 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:14.960 why I'm fucking here. All right. So we we're starting 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:24.400 with that line from Daniel Well, come to spooky. It 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:30.960 could happen here today. We are discussing a truly spooky topic, 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.479 one that everyone is just really gonna hate. Uh, and 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:38.599 it's we're talking about let's say, esoteric Kecki is um 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.959 and me magic. So Shanni, my brothers and sisters come 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:47.360 along on a right shadow. We read a whole book 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:51.479 for this, Oh at least I did you read a 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.080 book just for this? I would say that like all 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.640 of the books I read from age nineteen to twenty 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:01.360 two prepared me have that had been preparing here for this. Yeah, 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.000 the books I read while I was doing psychedelics twice 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.200 a week. All Really, we're good background on this subject. 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:09.680 That is that is true? You want to kick us 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:14.759 off and I don't. So I think firstly we're talking 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:19.440 about we're gonna we're gonna emphasize awareness over amplification or 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:21.399 that kind of my my goal for this is that 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.959 we can all be more aware of kind of the 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.680 power that images on the Internet can have over influencing 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:31.720 the actual world, and talking about people who believe this 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.240 to a ridiculous degree and how they actually have been 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.440 able to institute change not only because of this belief, 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.720 just because of their dedication to this practice, because it's 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:41.840 it's because it's a thing that exists and it has 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:46.280 had real world ramifications, and it's good to understand that 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.080 that's a thing, and that also maybe we can influence 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.680 the way we like us use the Internet to also 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.040 maybe make good things happen as opposed to just being 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.400 doomers all the time. Um So that's kind of what 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:02.520 I wanted to start with many jubs to that garrison 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:09.440 complete keck with you God. Although to be fair, the 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.720 past few days I have just been spamming the it 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.960 could happen here a group chat with horrible nonsense surround keck. 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.160 It has been the most insufferable week of my life. 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:25.840 Horrible nonsense like like paragraphs, paragraph paragraphs, walls of text 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:30.640 so big. Any any actually safe working environment that cared 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:34.239 about its employees would have fired you long ago. Yeah. So, 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.079 I think the other thing that we should definitely mention 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.680 is that any type of like occultism mysticism or like 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:45.040 woo woo um has actually does have a decent history 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:49.760 within right wing political ideas and specifically like you know, 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:54.320 like more extreme like right wing um stuff in the 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.400 past few years. Like everyone's most people know that, like 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:59.919 the modern not like the like the early Nazis had 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.639 some mystical stuff going on. There's a lot more stuff 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.160 going behind the scenes. A lot of their favorite authors 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:09.000 also were like practicing occultists. Um, so this is this 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:10.720 is this is a thing that goes back awhile you 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:12.800 can even see this to some degree with like how 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.119 close Christianity is to a lot of the right wing 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:16.720 to a lot of like the modern right wing the 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.959 States as well, a lot of what we would consider 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.920 evangelical Christianity has a lot of stuff that's actually very 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.120 similar to occultism. They just use different terms because occultism 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.880 and and like magic is taboo. But it's actually the 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.440 same things. It's all like just it's inter it's interacting 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.080 with the same systems, just with different words. So like 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:34.760 this is this is the thing that is is not 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:36.880 it's it's not just on the internet. This is thing 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.360 that's been going on for thousands of years in particular, 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.320 the past one years, we've seen a big rise in 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:47.480 the amount of like occultism and mysticism specifically tied to politics. Yeah, 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.119 and there's this. I mean there have been a couple 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.400 of articles written just recently about the fact that a 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:54.920 lot of like the Woo Woo left, the kind of 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.680 um not really esoteric, but kind of mainstream a CULTI left, 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.080 like the popa culti left, has has increasingly turned towards 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.640 stuff like Q and On. And a big chunk of 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.880 it is like this this openness to like feel power 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:13.280 in coincidences, synchronicity would be there, and and just a 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:20.760 general open mindedness to um, maybe too many things. Sure, Yeah, 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.440 I mean it's you can see this on on on 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:26.840 a lot of a lot of sides because it's yeah, 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:28.479 it's it is definitely not just the right wing. I 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.400 mean it's like the biggest example of it would probably 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.120 be facets of Q and On the past few years 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.880 have done very similar types of things. Uh, there's a 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:37.839 lot of other stuff going on behind the scenes, like 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.520 how how Pepe operated was very similar to that, which 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.039 is what we're mainly talking about today. Um, but you 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.600 know there is also stuff like this on on the 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.159 left wing, whether it be like new a g type 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:51.479 stuff that seems to kind of mostly be bullshit, but 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.560 there's a you know other other type of like like 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.359 like like folk magic or like indigenous traditions that have 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:01.680 that have I would say slightly more uh significantly more 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:05.840 like there's reasonable actually stuff going on as opposed to 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.200 just like New Age selling books and that kind of stuff. Yeah. 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.040 One of the things that also separates actual religion from 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:17.920 religion that kind of has formed in this nomadic way 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.720 recently is that all of this stuff, particularly what we're 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:26.000 talking about today, formed simultaneously with political sentiment and as 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.599 and and was was crafted and in a lot of 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:32.320 cases like they state facts wrong specifically because they are 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.200 trying to craft a political narrative alongside this like weird 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.440 quasi spiritual things I speaking of spiritualism coming to the 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.760 same kind of coming to the same and this is 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:44.120 you know, we're all kind of anarchisty adjacent here. And 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.839 one of the things that really came up around the 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.719 same time as anarchism in the twentieth century was a 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:53.960 concept called chaos magic, which was really really really tied 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:55.880 to a lot of old really tied to a lot 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.400 of like anarchist thought and anarchists kind of thinkers. Some 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.320 of the most as chaos magicians are like explicitly anarchist, 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:06.240 someone like Grant Morrison. Um. Others are like Discordians which 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.680 have a lot of like anarchists crossover stuff, like like 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:13.200 Robert Enton Wilson, which kind of operates in that same ocean. Yeah, 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.240 he played a big role in kind of pulling me 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.719 away from proto alt right style beliefs. And I think 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.200 also a lot of his work was very intelligently crafted 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.040 because he wrote about conspiracies, He wrote about esoteric magic, 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.760 but always with a really intent eye on increasing people's 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:34.280 defenses to this kind of stuff what we're talking about today. Um, 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.600 he was very like cognizant of that, Like he wrote 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:40.160 about conspiracy as an enthusiast, but also as someone who 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:44.679 was trying to stop um kind of unchecked conspiratorial belief. Yeah, 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.320 he went awout about that in peculiar ways, but he 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.760 was an odd man. Yeah. And the reason why I've 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.000 been getting more into this type type of stuff the 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.080 past year, uh increase, And the reason why I really 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.840 like chaos magic as I like it as like a 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:01.479 post modern system of magic of looking at how basically, 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.960 if magic is just ideas and trying to figure out 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.960 how our brains can interact with the physical world, then 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.720 chaos magic introduces a lot of interesting stuff around like 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:13.400 late stage capitalism, because it is is it's explicitly tied 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:17.120 to to like postmodern art and postmodern thought, um in 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.800 the way you know, brands and marketing and specifically the 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.480 Internet all affects our minds. All this stuff. It gets 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.320 talked about in Charos magic a lot, and I really 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:29.239 like look using that framework for things um and speaking 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.280 of that kind of stuff specifically around the Internet, we're 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.360 gonna be talking about. The first thing I want to 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.800 mention is like the concept of searching for something and 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.400 then you're like you're and you're gonna find it, whether 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.000 that you know, Robert Enton Wilson and um. Like the 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:46.120 illuminious Trilogies has like and like, and Discordianism has like 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.360 twenty three and the Law of Fives. Right. I I 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.440 read that book when I was twenty and I have 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:54.520 been like seeing twenty three's repeatedly at like significant moments 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:57.560 in my life for the last fourteen years or so. Like, Yeah, 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.800 it's it's like once you get that kind of meme 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:01.880 and planted in your brain, it can stick with you 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.560 for forever. And and this this happens to everything. You know, 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.600 This happens to This happens to everyone. Like once you 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.360 learn about a new topic, the next day, you'll see 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.080 it somewhere right you'll be like, you'll you'll you'll like it. 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.400 And it's in all these places that you didn't see 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.000 it before. This happens all of the time with everything. 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.000 This is how this is like how synchronicity works, and 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:26.160 this is where religions come from throughout history. And it's 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.800 because like this all has its roots in why we're 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:33.520 very good hunters. We are patterned were pattern recognition, Like 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.960 our brains are pattern recognizing machines. That's what we're best at. 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.000 And it means that we're good at spotting berries and 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.199 tracking deer. And it also means that we can't stop 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:48.280 making religions religions. And if we have one too many synchronicities, 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.720 we can change the entire way we view about the 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:56.079 like the whole world, which can have varying degrees of effects. 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:57.640 Sometimes I can if it's just a little bit that 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.720 can maybe actually be very helpful. If you join a 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.160 weird cult that does messed up stuff, then it's like, yeah, 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.320 that's a problem. Sometimes it ends in burning man, and 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:11.960 sometimes it ends in burning men. Yeah, drop the bomb 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.840 on that one. So first thing I want to kind 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.280 of discuss before we get into the actual timeline of 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.320 how pep bank Because became a thing, I want to 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:24.560 just do a brief overview of sigils and memes um 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:29.480 and the idea of what like, let's let's take the 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.720 original concept of the meme, which is like, you know, 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:36.720 the it's genes are genetic, memes are cultural. There's are 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.600 cultural ideas that can spread like a virus um and 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.880 usually memes. In the since since since the Internet has 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:48.920 become way more popular, memes have become more tied to images, 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.600 like like, memes are a much more visual thing now, 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.839 whereas in the nineties they were more of just like 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:55.680 like an idea concept, but now they have like in 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:59.720 this extra visual backing. So a sigil is a is 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.520 an magical concept tend mostly to chaos. Magic, which is 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.839 basically an abstract concept um or or like as a 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:11.320 specific concept put into an abstract image that then gets 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:14.480 charged and then it's going to manifest itself in your life. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.600 The reason why this works, it's because part part of 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.800 this desire gets implanted deep in your brain when you 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.080 charge it through like a trance or there's a there's 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.840 there's like there's different methods of charging sigils, but you 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.080 have this, you have this concept and this idea and 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.360 this desire and it gets put into you. So you're 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.800 gonna kind of subconsciously do things that that influence it 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.880 into becoming something that you can see. Just like you know, 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:38.800 if you're if you're looking, if you hear about twenty three, 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.600 you're gonna see it. Same thing for this. It's it's 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.800 it's it's the same kind of based concept. UM and 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:48.160 then Grant Morrison of Comic book Writers my favorite comic 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.480 book writer. He he was, he's really the only person 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:54.640 that's developed sigils more since their inception. UM with the 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.400 concept of a hyper sigil, which is taking this theme 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.560 idea of like wanting to influence change in the world 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.000 via this visual medium of a sigil, and instead of 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.480 just having it be like an abstract glyph that you charge, 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.760 hyper sigil is an entire work of art with this 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.600 express interest. UM so everything that you do in this 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.400 is trying to get some type of real world change, 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.840 and it's very very intentional, right, and a lot of 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.719 art already oprights like this. This is why a lot 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.679 of postmodern magic is very similar just to like making art, 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.880 because it's the same kind of basic idea, whether that 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:28.840 be something like you know, like the matrix or you know, 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.720 any any type of art kind of does this already 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.199 if it is good, um, and it in it confined 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:39.880 ways to influence reality. So memes operate on this same way. 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.920 And eventually people actually found it. Eventually people on four 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:44.760 ch and realized that they that they were doing sigils 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.360 and started using this word because it's really the same 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.960 thing when you're when you're altering all of these images 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.800 of this frog and posting it into all these different 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.360 kind of more abstract more like ugly obscure kind of 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:00.480 like weird like surreal types of types of memes, and 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.840 you're spamming them on politicians Twitter account. You're basically doing 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.040 a group a group schedule and a group hyper sedul 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.600 because you're all making these individual things and you're spamming 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.960 them into the world, and because there's so many of them. Yeah, 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.720 they're gonna have they're gonna have a real world effect. Yeah, 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:15.400 And they're gonna have a real world effect in part 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.560 because of the way human brains work, in part because 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.800 of the way algorithms work, which is one of the 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.920 things where like it's it's easy, especially if you're an 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:26.440 impressionable kid, to mistake the algorithm doing what it's designed 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:29.720 to do, which is find patterns groups of people sharing 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.520 something and expand that to a larger group of people. 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.319 Go oh, if this cluster of people like this, this 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.160 will probably be something that's very Algorithms are great at 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.880 making synchronicities because that's what you're designed to do. That's 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.120 what they're supposed that that's the whole point of why 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.880 they exist, and that's why this is that that that's 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.079 why are because as you stated a little earlier, and 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:49.760 one of these days on Bastards, we're gonna talk about 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.680 Helena Blovotsky and like the Theosophy movement and more detail, 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.640 like all of the occult stuff that fed into the 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.760 Third the early stage of the Third Reich. But the 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.439 cult back then is very different from the kind of 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.680 a cult feeding into fascism now, which is heavily based 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:08.040 around synchronicity, because it's also heavily based around social media 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:09.880 and the way memes bread. Yeah, that's why I thinks 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.679 what the chaos magic has really gotten kind of a 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.679 resurgence the past few years with social media and how 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:17.960 algorithms developed, because they do mirror a lot of the 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.880 concepts within chaos magic, because the Internet is kind of 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.760 a chaotic place, but it's also it's not just pure chaos. 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.719 It is chaos within a framework of order, which is 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.480 why I like the like the like the chaos star, 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.160 like the like the actual like chaos like sigil. Yes, 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.679 the errors of pointing in every direction, but you can 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:36.760 make a perfect circle around all of the arrows. It's 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.600 because it's not just pure chaos. It actually is contained 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.880 within this other framework. And by the way, Garrison, when 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.520 you started talking about u synchronic cities and sigils, I 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.440 checked my phone for a second and saw that it 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:53.000 was five seventeen on October five. Of course contains both 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.280 two and three, and as thus a sacred number October 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.440 twenty three. I shouldn't have to explain why that significant. 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:03.840 And remember Robert, it's yeah, but it's three on my phone. 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:11.000 Why is my phone's fucked up? Because because because the universe. Baby, 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:15.280 that's the synchronicity. I'm living in the future, motherfucker's And 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.480 what time is it that it's not right now? It 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.400 was my phone and the other time it is. I 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:27.560 don't need to know what time it is your default reality. Yeah, 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.760 you're you're you're on a different, different dimensional plane. Now 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:35.560 we have two into two different ones. I think. I 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.560 think this ship, I think this gives up gives us 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.720 a perfect opportunity for the audience to find their own 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.960 synchronicities in these ads, because who knows what's going to happen, 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:50.680 what's gonna play, So look for patterns and you'll find them. 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.720 Here's some I hope it's an ad for the Egyptian 0:14:54.720 --> 0:15:09.200 goddess mod and we are back, We're gonna, We're gonna 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.280 now actually kind of get into some of the some 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:15.360 of the actual Peppe nonsense. Um. I think. And another 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.360 important part to mention is that like for a lot 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.640 of people doing this online, this this is like an 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:24.040 online pattern that happens all the time. Um, it happens 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.680 with it happens with stuff like this, it happens with 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:28.520 with with cat boys. It happens with a whole bunch 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.080 of stuff. Is that like stuff starts as a joke 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.480 and then you do it a lot and the repetition 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:38.400 basically makes you do it genuinely. Yeah, like me talking 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.080 about getting all of my followers to a compound in 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.760 Idaho where we die fighting the f d A exactly, 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:47.080 Literally that turns into an actual death cult. So it's 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.200 it's it starts as a joke and then under repetition 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.320 it becomes genuine. This happens to basically almost everything on 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.640 the internet. Yeah, this, this, this, this, this leads to 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.120 Garrison and I doing the inevitable Robert Evans Behind the 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:02.840 Bastards episode episode Yeah, the three part or if I 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.520 ever heard one? You you hope? So you wish what 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:12.000 what are what are catboys? This that is different? That's 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:15.920 a different you're here? That is a different podcast. Think, Yeah, Hi, sorry, 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.720 I know I only enter Jake briefly. Is that is that? 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:22.280 Are they are they like pre furries? Is that some different? No? 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:26.800 Cowboys Fury It's kind of it's it's it's it's rehumanizing 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.840 the it's rehumanizing the Furies. So like the same way, 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.520 the same way the same way Sonic the Hedgehog is 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:39.720 a re mickey mousification of vegeta. Uh, catboys are a 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.840 humanification of furries. This is a whole process on the 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.320 I can explain this in great detail in the later episode, 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:48.560 but I think we have enough. We have enough to 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.880 talk about already. Thank you so much, my dog. Okay. 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:58.920 Sure would someone be willing to sacrifice their own mentality 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:03.840 to describe the rise of Pepe and just originally in 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:07.040 the early twenty teens, Yeah, so it started as this 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:10.280 guy's comic that there was nothing particularly worried about. Yeah, 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.000 it was just it was a dude's comic. He was like, uh, 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.840 feels good man was kind of a good man. He 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.480 was a chill dude. He was a chill dude. Yeah, 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.680 not a fascist comic. Peppe is actually pretty fun. Yeah, 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:25.560 comic Pepe, He's like he's like a millennial slacker who 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:27.440 doesn't really know what to do with his life after 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.240 like after nine eleven, after the financial crash. He's just 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.440 trying to kind of get by the comics. Fine. Yeah, 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.159 the comics fine, but the art just that kind of 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.600 the specifics of how he drew Pepe made him very 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.080 well suited for a meme because he's expressive and he 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.960 so he shows up and starts getting spread in four chan, 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.159 and you know, that kind of idea goes viral, and 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.040 it particularly gets attached to a lot of like the 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.399 political ship on Pole and the people who are like 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.000 churning into gamer Gate and the right sad Pepe gets 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.720 very popular, Smug Pepe gets very popular. Yeah. Yeah, and 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:09.520 then as so Kick is chee chext of it, like 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.320 later on, I think we'll go over more for like 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.840 how Pepe is like the cartoon character got you know, 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.120 as soon as it becomes a meme, it spreads out 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.160 into all corners. And the people who meaned this hardest 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.880 we were on Fortune. So this is how pep Peppe 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.679 became kind of tied to this. And I think the 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.840 last bullet in Pepe really solidifying him as as an 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.879 alt right memes specifically was the Richard Spencer punch. I 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:35.880 think I think that's the thing that actually was like done. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.359 It's like, no, Pepe is just this now, he can't 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.639 be anything else because but when when when Richard Spencer 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.520 was being punched, he was describing what Pepe was. That 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.840 was what's happening in that specific viral moment. If you 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.080 want to talk about like magical terms, this is Pepe 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.320 getting like charged, Like this is the idea of like 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.480 this idea getting getting charged because it is now going 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.040 to be preflated to the masses in this in this 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:01.439 moment of like pure motion. So that's when Pepe really 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.800 gets tight. And I think Hillary Clinton made it very, 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.720 very worse the way she talked about this kind of 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:12.640 stuff on her speeches basically gave gave the alt right 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.440 a baseball bat to hit her with. The the problem 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:18.480 that Clinton and everyone else because like a big part 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:20.639 of I would argue that like the largest part of 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.960 why Pepe became a thing that was destined to last 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.880 was that pundits and politicians, including Hillary and media people 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:30.960 kept talking about it as a fascist symbol and kept 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.720 discussing like what it was, and that anyone who grew 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:35.920 up on the Internet, who grew up around these communities, 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.960 knows that you ignore them as much as possible, to 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.840 the extent that that's possible. You don't feed the troll 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.240 you don't give them power, Yeah you don't, And and 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.280 talking about it again, this is like cast matic like 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.000 referencing it, bringing it up. Bringing it into the real 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.240 world gives it power. That's the thing that feeds it. Yeah, 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:55.560 so that that's how it got so much more power. 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.520 The more Clinton talked about it, the more news media 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.679 wrote about it, everyone got so excited on unfortune. That's like, 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.280 that's that's that's like, that is them winning, then them 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:08.800 seeing this thing, and and then and then this goes 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.119 back pre even being far. I can remember because I 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.480 was in these spaces when they first started doing ship 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.280 like raids on the Church of Scientology. Every time there 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.879 would be actual, like news coverage of what people on 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:23.320 the Internet did, it got people so fucking excited because 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.200 like the Internet had been this thing that didn't matter 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:27.240 for the longest I think in the in in the 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.520 book I read about this kind of stuff. They they 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:32.440 did use the example of like Anonymous and the raids 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.560 on Centology being like a precursor to this type of 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.240 like me magic of this thing like like internet forums 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:43.280 influencing the real world through repetition and getting getting to 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.800 grow power, but getting people who don't use Internet to 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.679 talk about these same things. It was like a precursor 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:50.520 to then what we what we saw the al right, 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:53.959 which is which is a pretty pretty common opinion. Um. 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:58.760 And then and then enter enter the Egyptian gods. Robert 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.439 st wanna do you wanna? Don't wanna? I don't want 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:06.680 to discuss that. We're gonna That's what we're gonna say. 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:10.840 Next is, how's this intersex with Egyptian gods? The ancient 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:15.920 Pharaoh's played a card game of ancient and terrible power. Man, 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:25.000 nobody wants you as a kid. This is no man, Robert, 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:27.480 do you wanna? Do you wanna? Do you wanna? Do 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:31.280 you want to discuss keck? Yeah? I mean so way 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:33.320 back in the day, um, and I think I think 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:35.199 this even pre dates World War Craft. I remember at 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:37.760 first happening on like StarCraft games online, there would be 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:40.960 like gamers from Korea, and like when you were doing 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:42.800 like a Zurg rush or something, which is when you 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:44.399 have a bunch of guys and they all attack the 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:47.520