1 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm so close to clicking leaf meeting. Every time that 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: that bullshit comes up, it's like, yes, I consent, That's 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: why I'm fucking here. All right. So we we're starting 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: with that line from Daniel Well, come to spooky. It 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: could happen here today. We are discussing a truly spooky topic, 6 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: one that everyone is just really gonna hate. Uh, and 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 1: it's we're talking about let's say, esoteric Kecki is um 8 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,959 Speaker 1: and me magic. So Shanni, my brothers and sisters come 9 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: along on a right shadow. We read a whole book 10 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: for this, Oh at least I did you read a 11 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: book just for this? I would say that like all 12 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: of the books I read from age nineteen to twenty 13 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: two prepared me have that had been preparing here for this. Yeah, 14 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: the books I read while I was doing psychedelics twice 15 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: a week. All Really, we're good background on this subject. 16 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: That is that is true? You want to kick us 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: off and I don't. So I think firstly we're talking 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: about we're gonna we're gonna emphasize awareness over amplification or 19 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: that kind of my my goal for this is that 20 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: we can all be more aware of kind of the 21 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: power that images on the Internet can have over influencing 22 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: the actual world, and talking about people who believe this 23 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: to a ridiculous degree and how they actually have been 24 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: able to institute change not only because of this belief, 25 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: just because of their dedication to this practice, because it's 26 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: it's because it's a thing that exists and it has 27 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: had real world ramifications, and it's good to understand that 28 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: that's a thing, and that also maybe we can influence 29 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: the way we like us use the Internet to also 30 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: maybe make good things happen as opposed to just being 31 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: doomers all the time. Um So that's kind of what 32 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to start with many jubs to that garrison 33 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: complete keck with you God. Although to be fair, the 34 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: past few days I have just been spamming the it 35 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: could happen here a group chat with horrible nonsense surround keck. 36 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: It has been the most insufferable week of my life. 37 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: Horrible nonsense like like paragraphs, paragraph paragraphs, walls of text 38 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: so big. Any any actually safe working environment that cared 39 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: about its employees would have fired you long ago. Yeah. So, 40 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: I think the other thing that we should definitely mention 41 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: is that any type of like occultism mysticism or like 42 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: woo woo um has actually does have a decent history 43 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: within right wing political ideas and specifically like you know, 44 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: like more extreme like right wing um stuff in the 45 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: past few years. Like everyone's most people know that, like 46 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: the modern not like the like the early Nazis had 47 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: some mystical stuff going on. There's a lot more stuff 48 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: going behind the scenes. A lot of their favorite authors 49 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: also were like practicing occultists. Um, so this is this 50 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: is this is a thing that goes back awhile you 51 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: can even see this to some degree with like how 52 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 1: close Christianity is to a lot of the right wing 53 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: to a lot of like the modern right wing the 54 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: States as well, a lot of what we would consider 55 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: evangelical Christianity has a lot of stuff that's actually very 56 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: similar to occultism. They just use different terms because occultism 57 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: and and like magic is taboo. But it's actually the 58 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: same things. It's all like just it's inter it's interacting 59 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: with the same systems, just with different words. So like 60 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: this is this is the thing that is is not 61 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: it's it's not just on the internet. This is thing 62 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: that's been going on for thousands of years in particular, 63 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: the past one years, we've seen a big rise in 64 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: the amount of like occultism and mysticism specifically tied to politics. Yeah, 65 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 1: and there's this. I mean there have been a couple 66 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: of articles written just recently about the fact that a 67 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: lot of like the Woo Woo left, the kind of 68 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: um not really esoteric, but kind of mainstream a CULTI left, 69 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: like the popa culti left, has has increasingly turned towards 70 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: stuff like Q and On. And a big chunk of 71 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: it is like this this openness to like feel power 72 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: in coincidences, synchronicity would be there, and and just a 73 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: general open mindedness to um, maybe too many things. Sure, Yeah, 74 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: I mean it's you can see this on on on 75 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of sides because it's yeah, 76 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: it's it is definitely not just the right wing. I 77 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: mean it's like the biggest example of it would probably 78 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: be facets of Q and On the past few years 79 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: have done very similar types of things. Uh, there's a 80 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: lot of other stuff going on behind the scenes, like 81 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: how how Pepe operated was very similar to that, which 82 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: is what we're mainly talking about today. Um, but you 83 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: know there is also stuff like this on on the 84 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: left wing, whether it be like new a g type 85 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: stuff that seems to kind of mostly be bullshit, but 86 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: there's a you know other other type of like like 87 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: like like folk magic or like indigenous traditions that have 88 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: that have I would say slightly more uh significantly more 89 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: like there's reasonable actually stuff going on as opposed to 90 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: just like New Age selling books and that kind of stuff. Yeah. 91 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: One of the things that also separates actual religion from 92 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: religion that kind of has formed in this nomadic way 93 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: recently is that all of this stuff, particularly what we're 94 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: talking about today, formed simultaneously with political sentiment and as 95 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: and and was was crafted and in a lot of 96 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: cases like they state facts wrong specifically because they are 97 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: trying to craft a political narrative alongside this like weird 98 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: quasi spiritual things I speaking of spiritualism coming to the 99 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: same kind of coming to the same and this is 100 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, we're all kind of anarchisty adjacent here. And 101 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: one of the things that really came up around the 102 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: same time as anarchism in the twentieth century was a 103 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: concept called chaos magic, which was really really really tied 104 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: to a lot of old really tied to a lot 105 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: of like anarchist thought and anarchists kind of thinkers. Some 106 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: of the most as chaos magicians are like explicitly anarchist, 107 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: someone like Grant Morrison. Um. Others are like Discordians which 108 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: have a lot of like anarchists crossover stuff, like like 109 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: Robert Enton Wilson, which kind of operates in that same ocean. Yeah, 110 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: he played a big role in kind of pulling me 111 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: away from proto alt right style beliefs. And I think 112 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: also a lot of his work was very intelligently crafted 113 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: because he wrote about conspiracies, He wrote about esoteric magic, 114 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: but always with a really intent eye on increasing people's 115 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: defenses to this kind of stuff what we're talking about today. Um, 116 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: he was very like cognizant of that, Like he wrote 117 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: about conspiracy as an enthusiast, but also as someone who 118 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 1: was trying to stop um kind of unchecked conspiratorial belief. Yeah, 119 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: he went awout about that in peculiar ways, but he 120 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: was an odd man. Yeah. And the reason why I've 121 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: been getting more into this type type of stuff the 122 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: past year, uh increase, And the reason why I really 123 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: like chaos magic as I like it as like a 124 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: post modern system of magic of looking at how basically, 125 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: if magic is just ideas and trying to figure out 126 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: how our brains can interact with the physical world, then 127 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: chaos magic introduces a lot of interesting stuff around like 128 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: late stage capitalism, because it is is it's explicitly tied 129 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: to to like postmodern art and postmodern thought, um in 130 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: the way you know, brands and marketing and specifically the 131 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: Internet all affects our minds. All this stuff. It gets 132 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: talked about in Charos magic a lot, and I really 133 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:29,239 Speaker 1: like look using that framework for things um and speaking 134 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff specifically around the Internet, we're 135 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: gonna be talking about. The first thing I want to 136 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: mention is like the concept of searching for something and 137 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: then you're like you're and you're gonna find it, whether 138 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: that you know, Robert Enton Wilson and um. Like the 139 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: illuminious Trilogies has like and like, and Discordianism has like 140 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: twenty three and the Law of Fives. Right. I I 141 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: read that book when I was twenty and I have 142 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: been like seeing twenty three's repeatedly at like significant moments 143 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: in my life for the last fourteen years or so. Like, Yeah, 144 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: it's it's like once you get that kind of meme 145 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: and planted in your brain, it can stick with you 146 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: for forever. And and this this happens to everything. You know, 147 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: This happens to This happens to everyone. Like once you 148 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: learn about a new topic, the next day, you'll see 149 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: it somewhere right you'll be like, you'll you'll you'll like it. 150 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: And it's in all these places that you didn't see 151 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: it before. This happens all of the time with everything. 152 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: This is how this is like how synchronicity works, and 153 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: this is where religions come from throughout history. And it's 154 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: because like this all has its roots in why we're 155 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: very good hunters. We are patterned were pattern recognition, Like 156 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: our brains are pattern recognizing machines. That's what we're best at. 157 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: And it means that we're good at spotting berries and 158 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: tracking deer. And it also means that we can't stop 159 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: making religions religions. And if we have one too many synchronicities, 160 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: we can change the entire way we view about the 161 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: like the whole world, which can have varying degrees of effects. 162 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes I can if it's just a little bit that 163 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: can maybe actually be very helpful. If you join a 164 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: weird cult that does messed up stuff, then it's like, yeah, 165 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: that's a problem. Sometimes it ends in burning man, and 166 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: sometimes it ends in burning men. Yeah, drop the bomb 167 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: on that one. So first thing I want to kind 168 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: of discuss before we get into the actual timeline of 169 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: how pep bank Because became a thing, I want to 170 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: just do a brief overview of sigils and memes um 171 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: and the idea of what like, let's let's take the 172 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: original concept of the meme, which is like, you know, 173 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: the it's genes are genetic, memes are cultural. There's are 174 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: cultural ideas that can spread like a virus um and 175 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: usually memes. In the since since since the Internet has 176 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: become way more popular, memes have become more tied to images, 177 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: like like, memes are a much more visual thing now, 178 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: whereas in the nineties they were more of just like 179 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: like an idea concept, but now they have like in 180 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: this extra visual backing. So a sigil is a is 181 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: an magical concept tend mostly to chaos. Magic, which is 182 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: basically an abstract concept um or or like as a 183 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: specific concept put into an abstract image that then gets 184 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: charged and then it's going to manifest itself in your life. 185 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: The reason why this works, it's because part part of 186 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: this desire gets implanted deep in your brain when you 187 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: charge it through like a trance or there's a there's 188 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: there's like there's different methods of charging sigils, but you 189 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: have this, you have this concept and this idea and 190 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: this desire and it gets put into you. So you're 191 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: gonna kind of subconsciously do things that that influence it 192 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: into becoming something that you can see. Just like you know, 193 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: if you're if you're looking, if you hear about twenty three, 194 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna see it. Same thing for this. It's it's 195 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: it's it's the same kind of based concept. UM and 196 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: then Grant Morrison of Comic book Writers my favorite comic 197 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: book writer. He he was, he's really the only person 198 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: that's developed sigils more since their inception. UM with the 199 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: concept of a hyper sigil, which is taking this theme 200 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: idea of like wanting to influence change in the world 201 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: via this visual medium of a sigil, and instead of 202 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: just having it be like an abstract glyph that you charge, 203 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: hyper sigil is an entire work of art with this 204 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: express interest. UM so everything that you do in this 205 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: is trying to get some type of real world change, 206 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: and it's very very intentional, right, and a lot of 207 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 1: art already oprights like this. This is why a lot 208 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: of postmodern magic is very similar just to like making art, 209 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: because it's the same kind of basic idea, whether that 210 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: be something like you know, like the matrix or you know, 211 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: any any type of art kind of does this already 212 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: if it is good, um, and it in it confined 213 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: ways to influence reality. So memes operate on this same way. 214 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: And eventually people actually found it. Eventually people on four 215 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: ch and realized that they that they were doing sigils 216 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: and started using this word because it's really the same 217 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: thing when you're when you're altering all of these images 218 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: of this frog and posting it into all these different 219 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: kind of more abstract more like ugly obscure kind of 220 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: like weird like surreal types of types of memes, and 221 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: you're spamming them on politicians Twitter account. You're basically doing 222 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: a group a group schedule and a group hyper sedul 223 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: because you're all making these individual things and you're spamming 224 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: them into the world, and because there's so many of them. Yeah, 225 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: they're gonna have they're gonna have a real world effect. Yeah, 226 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: And they're gonna have a real world effect in part 227 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: because of the way human brains work, in part because 228 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: of the way algorithms work, which is one of the 229 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: things where like it's it's easy, especially if you're an 230 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: impressionable kid, to mistake the algorithm doing what it's designed 231 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: to do, which is find patterns groups of people sharing 232 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: something and expand that to a larger group of people. 233 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: Go oh, if this cluster of people like this, this 234 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: will probably be something that's very Algorithms are great at 235 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: making synchronicities because that's what you're designed to do. That's 236 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: what they're supposed that that's the whole point of why 237 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: they exist, and that's why this is that that that's 238 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: why are because as you stated a little earlier, and 239 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: one of these days on Bastards, we're gonna talk about 240 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: Helena Blovotsky and like the Theosophy movement and more detail, 241 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: like all of the occult stuff that fed into the 242 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: Third the early stage of the Third Reich. But the 243 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: cult back then is very different from the kind of 244 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: a cult feeding into fascism now, which is heavily based 245 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: around synchronicity, because it's also heavily based around social media 246 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: and the way memes bread. Yeah, that's why I thinks 247 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: what the chaos magic has really gotten kind of a 248 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: resurgence the past few years with social media and how 249 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: algorithms developed, because they do mirror a lot of the 250 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: concepts within chaos magic, because the Internet is kind of 251 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: a chaotic place, but it's also it's not just pure chaos. 252 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 1: It is chaos within a framework of order, which is 253 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: why I like the like the like the chaos star, 254 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: like the like the actual like chaos like sigil. Yes, 255 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: the errors of pointing in every direction, but you can 256 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: make a perfect circle around all of the arrows. It's 257 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: because it's not just pure chaos. It actually is contained 258 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: within this other framework. And by the way, Garrison, when 259 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: you started talking about u synchronic cities and sigils, I 260 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: checked my phone for a second and saw that it 261 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: was five seventeen on October five. Of course contains both 262 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: two and three, and as thus a sacred number October 263 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: twenty three. I shouldn't have to explain why that significant. 264 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: And remember Robert, it's yeah, but it's three on my phone. 265 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: Why is my phone's fucked up? Because because because the universe. Baby, 266 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: that's the synchronicity. I'm living in the future, motherfucker's And 267 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: what time is it that it's not right now? It 268 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: was my phone and the other time it is. I 269 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: don't need to know what time it is your default reality. Yeah, 270 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: you're you're you're on a different, different dimensional plane. Now 271 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: we have two into two different ones. I think. I 272 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: think this ship, I think this gives up gives us 273 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: a perfect opportunity for the audience to find their own 274 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: synchronicities in these ads, because who knows what's going to happen, 275 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: what's gonna play, So look for patterns and you'll find them. 276 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: Here's some I hope it's an ad for the Egyptian 277 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: goddess mod and we are back, We're gonna, We're gonna 278 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: now actually kind of get into some of the some 279 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: of the actual Peppe nonsense. Um. I think. And another 280 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: important part to mention is that like for a lot 281 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: of people doing this online, this this is like an 282 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: online pattern that happens all the time. Um, it happens 283 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: with it happens with stuff like this, it happens with 284 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: with with cat boys. It happens with a whole bunch 285 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: of stuff. Is that like stuff starts as a joke 286 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: and then you do it a lot and the repetition 287 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: basically makes you do it genuinely. Yeah, like me talking 288 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: about getting all of my followers to a compound in 289 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: Idaho where we die fighting the f d A exactly, 290 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: Literally that turns into an actual death cult. So it's 291 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: it's it starts as a joke and then under repetition 292 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: it becomes genuine. This happens to basically almost everything on 293 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: the internet. Yeah, this, this, this, this, this leads to 294 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: Garrison and I doing the inevitable Robert Evans Behind the 295 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: Bastards episode episode Yeah, the three part or if I 296 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: ever heard one? You you hope? So you wish what 297 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: what are what are catboys? This that is different? That's 298 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: a different you're here? That is a different podcast. Think, Yeah, Hi, sorry, 299 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: I know I only enter Jake briefly. Is that is that? 300 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: Are they are they like pre furries? Is that some different? No? 301 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: Cowboys Fury It's kind of it's it's it's it's rehumanizing 302 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: the it's rehumanizing the Furies. So like the same way, 303 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: the same way the same way Sonic the Hedgehog is 304 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: a re mickey mousification of vegeta. Uh, catboys are a 305 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: humanification of furries. This is a whole process on the 306 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: I can explain this in great detail in the later episode, 307 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: but I think we have enough. We have enough to 308 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: talk about already. Thank you so much, my dog. Okay. 309 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: Sure would someone be willing to sacrifice their own mentality 310 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: to describe the rise of Pepe and just originally in 311 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: the early twenty teens, Yeah, so it started as this 312 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: guy's comic that there was nothing particularly worried about. Yeah, 313 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: it was just it was a dude's comic. He was like, uh, 314 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: feels good man was kind of a good man. He 315 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: was a chill dude. He was a chill dude. Yeah, 316 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: not a fascist comic. Peppe is actually pretty fun. Yeah, 317 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: comic Pepe, He's like he's like a millennial slacker who 318 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: doesn't really know what to do with his life after 319 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: like after nine eleven, after the financial crash. He's just 320 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: trying to kind of get by the comics. Fine. Yeah, 321 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: the comics fine, but the art just that kind of 322 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: the specifics of how he drew Pepe made him very 323 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: well suited for a meme because he's expressive and he 324 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: so he shows up and starts getting spread in four chan, 325 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: and you know, that kind of idea goes viral, and 326 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: it particularly gets attached to a lot of like the 327 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: political ship on Pole and the people who are like 328 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: churning into gamer Gate and the right sad Pepe gets 329 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: very popular, Smug Pepe gets very popular. Yeah. Yeah, and 330 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: then as so Kick is chee chext of it, like 331 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: later on, I think we'll go over more for like 332 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: how Pepe is like the cartoon character got you know, 333 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: as soon as it becomes a meme, it spreads out 334 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: into all corners. And the people who meaned this hardest 335 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: we were on Fortune. So this is how pep Peppe 336 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: became kind of tied to this. And I think the 337 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: last bullet in Pepe really solidifying him as as an 338 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: alt right memes specifically was the Richard Spencer punch. I 339 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 1: think I think that's the thing that actually was like done. 340 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: It's like, no, Pepe is just this now, he can't 341 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: be anything else because but when when when Richard Spencer 342 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: was being punched, he was describing what Pepe was. That 343 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: was what's happening in that specific viral moment. If you 344 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: want to talk about like magical terms, this is Pepe 345 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: getting like charged, Like this is the idea of like 346 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: this idea getting getting charged because it is now going 347 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: to be preflated to the masses in this in this 348 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: moment of like pure motion. So that's when Pepe really 349 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: gets tight. And I think Hillary Clinton made it very, 350 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: very worse the way she talked about this kind of 351 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: stuff on her speeches basically gave gave the alt right 352 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: a baseball bat to hit her with. The the problem 353 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: that Clinton and everyone else because like a big part 354 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: of I would argue that like the largest part of 355 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: why Pepe became a thing that was destined to last 356 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: was that pundits and politicians, including Hillary and media people 357 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: kept talking about it as a fascist symbol and kept 358 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: discussing like what it was, and that anyone who grew 359 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: up on the Internet, who grew up around these communities, 360 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: knows that you ignore them as much as possible, to 361 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: the extent that that's possible. You don't feed the troll 362 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: you don't give them power, Yeah you don't, And and 363 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: talking about it again, this is like cast matic like 364 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: referencing it, bringing it up. Bringing it into the real 365 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: world gives it power. That's the thing that feeds it. Yeah, 366 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: so that that's how it got so much more power. 367 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: The more Clinton talked about it, the more news media 368 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: wrote about it, everyone got so excited on unfortune. That's like, 369 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: that's that's that's like, that is them winning, then them 370 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: seeing this thing, and and then and then this goes 371 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: back pre even being far. I can remember because I 372 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: was in these spaces when they first started doing ship 373 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: like raids on the Church of Scientology. Every time there 374 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: would be actual, like news coverage of what people on 375 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: the Internet did, it got people so fucking excited because 376 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: like the Internet had been this thing that didn't matter 377 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: for the longest I think in the in in the 378 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: book I read about this kind of stuff. They they 379 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: did use the example of like Anonymous and the raids 380 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: on Centology being like a precursor to this type of 381 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: like me magic of this thing like like internet forums 382 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: influencing the real world through repetition and getting getting to 383 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: grow power, but getting people who don't use Internet to 384 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: talk about these same things. It was like a precursor 385 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: to then what we what we saw the al right, 386 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,959 Speaker 1: which is which is a pretty pretty common opinion. Um. 387 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: And then and then enter enter the Egyptian gods. Robert 388 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: st wanna do you wanna? Don't wanna? I don't want 389 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: to discuss that. We're gonna That's what we're gonna say. 390 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: Next is, how's this intersex with Egyptian gods? The ancient 391 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: Pharaoh's played a card game of ancient and terrible power. Man, 392 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: nobody wants you as a kid. This is no man, Robert, 393 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: do you wanna? Do you wanna? Do you wanna? Do 394 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: you want to discuss keck? Yeah? I mean so way 395 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: back in the day, um, and I think I think 396 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: this even pre dates World War Craft. I remember at 397 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: first happening on like StarCraft games online, there would be 398 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: like gamers from Korea, and like when you were doing 399 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: like a Zurg rush or something, which is when you 400 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: have a bunch of guys and they all attack the 401 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: enemy base or whatever, they would type out their term 402 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: for l O L, which was like keck k e 403 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: K yeah okay u k so would usually just look 404 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: like a stream of ku k e k k k 405 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: over and over and over again. This really took off 406 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: in World War Aircraft, where like there were Korean gold 407 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: farmers were a big thing, and like keck was something 408 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: that like everyone kind of knew what it meant because 409 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: it was often the only thing you can understand. You 410 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: could you could understand as an American that like these 411 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: people would be typing um and it as a result 412 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: of kind of all of that, it took off an 413 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: internet culture as just an l O L and specifically 414 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: like one of the things that's going on here as 415 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: the mid auts dawn and the Internet becomes serious business, 416 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: and like social media really and everybody's even before social 417 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: media is dominant, but just when everybody's taking the Internet seriously, 418 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: it's clear there's a lot of money in it. It's 419 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: it's mainstream. You have this this kind of second generation 420 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: of Internet people who got on in the late nineties 421 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: early two thousand's when they were kids, who get frustrated 422 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: at the fact that all of these different terms and 423 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: phrases and like bits of Internet culture that they had 424 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: identified with our going mainstream and are using them. Yeah. Yeah, 425 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: And keck is everyone knows what l O L is. 426 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: People don't know what keck is. So in places like 427 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: four Chune, that becomes a really popular thing, and keck 428 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: kind of is like so keck as a as a 429 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: term for laughters, like floating around at the same time 430 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: as like Pepe memes, and so whenever you whenever you 431 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: like meme something into the mainstream, whenever like some four 432 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: chan opera whatever you wanna call it, like succeeds in 433 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: getting main stressed it. It's as Hiller Clinton mentions Peppe 434 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: on stage, everyone in fourtune goes kick because they're laughing. 435 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: They go can they say, like top keck and whatnot? 436 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: And and and eventually somebody realizes that there's an Egyptian goddess. 437 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: One of the translations of that god and goddess his 438 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: name is k e k Um. Now there's a couple 439 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: of other translations. There's there's there's there's a whole bunch 440 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: of issues with this if you want to look at it. 441 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: That's with the rational kind of brain is because like this, 442 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: there was this old family of god's are very very 443 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: old old Egyptian gods. They all had male and female versions. 444 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: The male versions all had frog heads um and but 445 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: around frogs can change their gender. Ye, So like so 446 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,479 Speaker 1: like all of the all this whole era of Egyptian 447 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: gods all had frog heads. So they is one of 448 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: them that was named Keck, who was a god of chaos. 449 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: And this also played into how Fortune was using Trump 450 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: because like they liked Trump mostly as like as like 451 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: a chaotic reforce that got people angry, because that's what 452 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: that's what Fortune wanted to do as well. They wanted 453 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: to be a chaotic force again that gets people angry. 454 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: That's why they really latched onto Trump. Um. And then 455 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: when they found out that, oh there's this god named 456 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: Keck who is like the lord of like like like 457 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: um like pro that's what's the word um, primordial darkness, 458 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: primordial darkness. Yeah, and this idea not even chaos yeah yeah, 459 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: kind of like um um urinus and like Greco Roman faith, right, 460 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: like a god kind of before the gods that are 461 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: are more well known. But like this was a synchronicity. 462 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: So they took it as like, you know, the same 463 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: way religions take take synchronicity and create and create like divinity. 464 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: They took this as like this take they took this 465 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: as like divinity. Again. This this starts as a joke, 466 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: but you do it enough and you start to take 467 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: it serious, sleigh, and there's a you get a mix 468 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: of um, you get a mix of of real like 469 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: Egyptology was that Yeah, there was a god named Kick, 470 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: like among a bunch of other gods. One of the 471 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: ways he was depicted was with a frog head. But 472 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: also like bad Egyptology. Like I found an article on 473 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: the word plus press blog Peppe the Frog Faith, which oh, 474 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure this, I'm sure this is like a bastion 475 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: of archaeology, and and the title is amateur egyptologist weighs 476 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: in on the frog statue hieroglyphs. And one of the 477 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: things he points out are talking about the frog statues 478 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,959 Speaker 1: that isn't check but they thought it was Kick yeah, yeah, yeah, 479 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: and a number of things. So like one of the 480 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: things this guy claims is that the hieroglyphics for keeck 481 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: are a frogman um and then a couple of what 482 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: he calls baskets. First up their cups, not baskets. Second, 483 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: the actual um uh hieroglyphics for for k e K 484 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: don't include the little frogman. They're like the two of 485 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: the little cups in this weird T shaped thing. Like yeah, 486 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: it's all, it's all, like it's bad again, amateur egyptologist, 487 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: Like he's just a kid who is googling stuff and 488 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: like got some either lie or got some hieroglyphics wrong. 489 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: But but Keck as like an idea of like now 490 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: we have a backing of an ancient god again first 491 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: as a joke, but then some people start to take 492 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: it more seriously. Really really caught on among people because 493 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: because it's funny, Like it's it's just funny, and it's 494 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: gonna catch on on for chat because it's hilarious, right, 495 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: so they're gonna start using this and repeating this and 496 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: creating a whole new memes, creating Like there's like there's 497 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: like an eight eight part book series that's like fake 498 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: books written by like someone who's like just me big 499 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: but pretending to take it seriously. But like the authenticity 500 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: doesn't actually matter because because it exists, it doesn't actually 501 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: matter how authentic it is. Yeah, Like and there's there's 502 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: weird coincidences that continue to occur, Like one of the 503 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: biggest being there's this like phrase shadow at which creeps 504 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: up in all of this and becomes like this exhortation 505 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: that they use like a way of like exclaiming and such. 506 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: And then somebody figures out that shad is also a 507 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: song like an aallow disco song I think from the seventies, 508 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: and the album that shadows on has like a frog 509 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 1: man face on the cover. Um, And so they're like, 510 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: it's a sign of the because you're gonna find frogs 511 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: wherever you look now, because that has becomes the uncommon frogs. 512 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: You're gonna find them everywhere now and there are every 513 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: ancient religion everywhere in the world. I'm gonna get guarantee 514 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: there's some fucking frogs in it, because like they're everywhere, 515 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: and they're they're old creatures. People pay to frogs. They've 516 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: been around for a long time. The frogs have been 517 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: around a wild So the frog the other the other 518 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: thing that happened. So people not only basically created their 519 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: whole mythology around this, creating different types of religion. There 520 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: was like Keckism as a religion, the cult of keck 521 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: um esoter Keechism, all of their own distinct differences. Because 522 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: these people spend all their time on the internet. Um, 523 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: they developed all these things. And they also found this 524 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: old frog statue that they said keck it actually it 525 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: isn't it's actually it's actually a gold called heck it um. 526 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: But on the basis does it does it doesn't matter. 527 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: But on the base of the statue it had. It 528 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: had glyphs which appear to us modern humans as they 529 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: look like someone sitting on a computer. Like they look 530 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: like someone sitting in front of a monitor on a keyboard. Um. 531 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: And on the other side of the keyboard is a 532 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: DNA is like what looks like a DNA spiral. So 533 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: this is like like jeans, right, jeans, jeans are DNA. 534 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: Memes are cultural DNA. This is a glyph of the 535 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: god Teck on a statue with someone on a computer 536 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: with a DNA spiral. Of course they're gonna take this 537 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: is like some like message from the from the gods. 538 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: You're like, yes, I'm supposed to be. I am supposed 539 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: to be by my meming, I'm doing Kex's work to 540 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: put Trump into office. Yeah, it's um God, that's frustrating Insurance, 541 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: it sure is. But like all of those in the group, 542 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: this is like the statue was just a depiction of 543 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: what the check people and the and the Pepper standards 544 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: were doing posting on the internet to manifest real world change. 545 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: And that's that's all it is. If you want to 546 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: see other examples of this, like if you look at 547 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: the ancient alien stuff, there's this like famous my Mayana 548 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: hieroglyph of the astronomer that's like if you if you 549 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: know what a telescope is, because you're looking at it 550 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: a thousand years after it was carved, it kind of 551 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: looks like it might be a telescope, and it's part 552 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: of what like people say like, oh, this is proof 553 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: that like that this is an alien Like he's looking 554 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: at a fucking telescope. No, it was, there's other explanations 555 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: for it. It was something like that somebody carved. Yeah, 556 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: I think there's another thing that you start and I 557 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: see this like not even like I see this just 558 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: this is just on the end of all time, like 559 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: I see left, just do this or like so like okay, 560 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: so you learn something and then oh it's not true, 561 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: but then people will keep spreading the thing because they'll 562 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: say people, yeah, yeah, it has more power with it, 563 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: so you're still gonna believe it. Yeah, Like when we 564 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: talk about the fact that Will Wheaton murdered three people 565 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: in if you repeat this is the message like yeah, 566 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: yeah with a knife, what's horrible yeah. Now, I mean 567 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: he was in Thailand at the time, so he was 568 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: able to get out and we don't extra diet, so 569 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: he's he's got out scott free. But yeah, but I 570 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: mean like this is like the same this is the 571 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: same thing that Trump does, which we'll talk about it, 572 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: but we'll talk about a bit. It's like if you 573 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: would repeat the thing enough, it becomes true for large 574 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: swats of the population that that's that's that's all truth 575 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: actually needs to be for people. Um, I think I 576 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: think we're gonna go and break uh and come back 577 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: and close us, close us up, and finally finished this 578 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: horrible discussion. Um. Anyone know who won't meme fascism? Well, actually, KFC, 579 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: the have you seen have you seen the KFC fascist 580 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: posting on Twitter? Yeah, there's like a Spanish KFC account 581 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: that has been doing that that it's up to some ship. 582 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: I hate I hate that. That's a sentence that that 583 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: that you got to say. I just hate it. For products, 584 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: And we are back. I have finished an entire dark 585 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: meat bucket and I am so full. Um yep. And 586 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: now now I'm sad. I'm sad because I'm still thinking 587 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: of the fascist KFC Twitter account. Um so we we 588 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: The other thing I want to do, want to mention 589 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: is kind of Trump's own power of belief kind of 590 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: idea and how Trump was basically using esoteric terms, was 591 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: able to basically create an alternate reality for millions of 592 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: people to live in. Um And there's really no getting 593 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: through to them now because they are literally just in it, 594 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: just in a different dimension. And there's just there's there's 595 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: no way to pierce that other dimension. They're basically living 596 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: in just a totally alternate reality. There's there's no use 597 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: saying that it is the one that we live in. Um. 598 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: So Trump is obsessed with a few of these ideas. 599 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: He's less than like the like, He's less interested in 600 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: like the woo and more interested in like the power 601 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: of positive thinking, power of your own belief. He grew 602 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: up in a movement and a specifically stuff. Yeah, he 603 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: grew up following a specific movement and church called that 604 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: falls under the umbrella called New Thought um, which is 605 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: where Trump's you know, Trump's like like how strong Trump's 606 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: ego is comes from this idea of that you need 607 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: to reinforce yourself and reinforce your own victories because if 608 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: you do that, you're gonna you're you're gonna find them. 609 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: Right If if if you're looking for twenty three, you're gonna 610 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: find it. If you're looking for your own victories, you're 611 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: going to force them to happen, um, even if they 612 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: don't happen into other people. Right. But like so that 613 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: we see this happening successfully with the election, we see 614 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: both like all of the meming, everything that happened in 615 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: twenty in the Trustean election worked for Trump UM. And 616 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, you know, of course, of course he didn't 617 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: win the popular vote, but that doesn't actually matter, but 618 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: it worked into in getting him to office now it 619 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, it worked less well for the election um, 620 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: but still his reassertions that he won still gave us 621 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: a lot of real world results, like the January six 622 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: Capital insurrection. So like it's this, right, so this type 623 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: of idea that if you re if you if you 624 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: reinforce this thing, if you reinforce this belief, if you can, 625 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: if you have if you have this idea and you 626 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: keep putting it out into the world, it's gonna manifest 627 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: some type of real, real world result. And that that 628 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: was January six, That's what that was. And and that's 629 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: the kind of the world we live in now. It's 630 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: like the weaponized unreality world where people become is of 631 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: how media works. Because are the Internet works, they're able 632 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: to create this like chaotic like the sphere of of 633 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,240 Speaker 1: energy and ideas that can like spread so much faster 634 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: than anything used to be that could everyone can segment 635 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: their own reality into two degrees that we've never really 636 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: seen before because of how fast information can travel. Now, um, 637 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: it is, it is it is a new it's it 638 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: is a relatively new thing. The way that the way 639 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: that this this this can operate, so like memes, memes 640 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: themselves like Pepe and all this kind of stuff undoubtedly 641 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: had had an impact on not only just the twenties 642 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: sixteen election, but just the entire political climate surrounding the 643 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: whole Trump presidency. Uh. Now, to the degree to which 644 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: we can credit me magic or the god kick, that 645 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 1: part is meaningless because because the effect is the same 646 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 1: that like the synchronicities were still experienced and and truth 647 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: is just is just experiential. So it's the beliefs that 648 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: we kind of hold will shape how we experience things anyway, 649 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: and that will experience what the actual truth is there's there. 650 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: There is a great Robert Nton Wilson quote that is 651 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 1: like reality is what you can get away with, yep. 652 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: And that's that's like that that like summarizes how Trump 653 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: was able to be so successful is because he was 654 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: able to shape reality. Right. I think me and me 655 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: and Chris were talking about this the other day about how, Chris, 656 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: do you want to say the thing about like the 657 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: Democratic Party and Republican Party and how okay, okay, So 658 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: there's there's there's there's a thing and Garrison I think 659 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 1: it was too young for this, but there's a very 660 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,959 Speaker 1: famous thing that that one of the Bushman Pedietrician people 661 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: said about how Democrats lived in the reality based community. 662 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: And this this is like a whole thing in the 663 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: in like the two thousands. This is just in the 664 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: Bush administration and everyone loses their minds and this is 665 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,439 Speaker 1: like a whole meme on the Democrats that's like, oh, 666 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,919 Speaker 1: we're the reality based community and they're not. But but 667 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: then this is the interesting part. If you look at 668 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: the second part of that quote, right, we's actually saying 669 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: is that so the Democrats are the reality based community, right, 670 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: they they analyze reality. The Republican party is the party 671 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: that creates reality because other people in control the empire. 672 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: And this is this is what neo conservative this was right. 673 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: And you know, the argument here basically is that the 674 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: Democrats are you know, they're always going to be a 675 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: step behind because they're merely analyzing reality, whereas Republicans using 676 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: the powers or of the state to you know, change 677 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: and define it. And this this worked for them, you 678 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: know what. I would argue that this is how they 679 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: came into power, This is how there's this is what 680 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: they're still doing. Yeah. Yeah, why every president since Ronald 681 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: Reagan has just been Ronald Reagan with a mask. Yeah. 682 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: But but I think I think there's something very important here, 683 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: specifically about how Bush took office, right because Bush Bush 684 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: steals the election, right, Bush does like the thing that 685 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: Trump was trying to do is what George Bush did 686 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: in two and two thousands, but with a riot, just 687 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: with a very kind of riot. Yeah. But but this 688 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: is the thing, the thing, this is the thing that 689 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: Bush and the neo cons understood that the Trump is 690 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: kind of understand but never quite solidified because they're not 691 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: like they're not sort of insider political actors, Which is 692 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,760 Speaker 1: that Okay, so all of the stuff about saying something 693 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: and it becoming real. Right, there's there there's sort of 694 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 1: a limit to this if if you don't have a gun. Now, 695 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: if you have a gun, then the limits of that 696 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: are are you know, it's it's you can be basically 697 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 1: whatever you want because you can just you can force 698 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: everyone else to also accept this as reality that you know, 699 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: this is what the state is. Right and there there's 700 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: there's a whole there's a whole thing. This is a 701 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: couple of performance theory. It's like, yeah, so like you 702 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: you saying the thing makes it so right? Well, this 703 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: is this is what a state is. And this is 704 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: how Bush won the election because he, unlike Trump, who's 705 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: people tried to like take power directly about like Stormy 706 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: in the Capitol. Bush was smart and Bush was like, oh, okay, 707 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna de clare that I won the election. 708 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: And but but but instead of like openly doing it right, 709 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: I'm going to get the Supreme Court to declare that 710 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm president. And you know, and this this this requires 711 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: the Brooks brothers, riots, stop the counts and all the stuff. 712 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: We were like, you know, it's doesn't yeah, yeah, it's great. 713 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: But it's like it doesn't it doesn't matter that, you know, 714 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: he he didn't win Florida, Like if if if if 715 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 1: if if, if the if the votes had actually been counted, 716 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: he would not have won Florida. But because he was 717 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 1: able to get the courts to say that he was president, 718 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: he was president. And and that's that is the concept 719 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: of magic words yep, yep, and this is this is this, 720 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: this is this is all the state is right, it's 721 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: this this this the state is magic with a gun 722 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: behind it. Yeah, it is, yeah, the state of magic. 723 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: Because it's like, yeah, you're right. It's like magic can 724 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: have a hard cap. There's going to be a certain 725 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: people that you know, with with with Trump's reality altering 726 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: kind of power, there's a certain that there is a 727 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: hard cap on how much that can influence the general population. 728 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: But if you have a gun behind that, that gives 729 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: us so much more enforceable power. And to go back 730 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: to Egyptian mythology, one of the attitudes they had about 731 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: the pharaoh is that reality was whatever the pharaoh declared. 732 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: Other a lot of societies of this idea towards their monarchs, 733 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 1: and the duty of his people is to make reality 734 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: conform to the Pharaoh's will, and like, that's that's what 735 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: the GOP does. Like that fascist. So I think I 736 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: think the quote surrounding like, yeah, the Democrats are the 737 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: reality based party because they because they you know, observe 738 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: reality and and like and yeah and and like and 739 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: like and like. Libs and Democrats are like yes, they 740 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: like they take this on prior, like, yes, we are rational, 741 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: we observe reality. Meanwhile the Republicans like, no, you just 742 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: observe it, but we can just we can create it. 743 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,479 Speaker 1: I think that is a great example of how those 744 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 1: two parties operate politically and how like, yes they're both 745 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: they're both right leading parties. But here's the difference for 746 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: how they actually operate is that one of them is 747 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: way more passive in their observing of reality and one 748 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: is is okay with getting their hands dirty and actually 749 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: forcing this type of reality altering changes. I will say, 750 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: I think, like one thing to close this out is 751 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: that you know we can we when we can tie 752 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: this all the way back to the second part of 753 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: the Duel Power episode, which is that the Nikon Kon 754 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: project doesn't work, and the reason it doesn't work is 755 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: that you know, they they like they basically they lose 756 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: militarily and that just that implodes the entire project. And 757 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: so you know, and if if if if you look 758 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: back at like all of this stuff about how we 759 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: can shape reality, we can shape reality, we can shape reality. 760 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: That stopped being true the moment that you know, like 761 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: they lose control of Bosra or like you know, all 762 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: like they when the other people, Uhder is to be 763 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: unkillable by all the weapons of Empire. Yeah, yeah, it's 764 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: like you know, and and Sawder and Solder does this 765 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: by like you know, Sauder sets up a bunch of 766 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: baby clinics, right, He's like, here's a bunch of clinics. 767 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: Heared we we we will will give help the pregnant mothers, 768 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: like you guys really gonna shoot us. And you know, 769 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: he builds a militia around this, and he's and he's 770 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: able to like he's one of the smartest people on 771 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: the planet. He's yeah, and he's not. It's not a 772 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 1: good guy, but like completely shatter the neo cons like 773 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: they they're dead, Like they don't like that. That project, 774 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: which was like the culmination of this this incredible like 775 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: into that described in electro projects of Trouble military project 776 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: and they got their absolute ask kick by watch of 777 00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:00,399 Speaker 1: people doing dual power. Yep, I think, and I I really, 778 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: I do want to talk more about kind of chaos 779 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: magic and there's a lot on the grounding, and I think, 780 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: but yeah, I think this is a great intrin how 781 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: how these concepts overlapped with politics and reality. Disagree on 782 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: the end of this with one aspect, Garrison, because you 783 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,280 Speaker 1: said their reality can't be pierced, But the ancient texts 784 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: speak of a spear that once pierced the side of 785 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: Christ itself, and while Hitler held it, his armies were ascended, 786 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: but it was stolen. And if we can find this, Sparrison, 787 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,760 Speaker 1: we can pierce their reality. Hey, I have a Fedora, 788 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: I have a whip. We could we all have Fedora, Garrison, 789 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: do it. Let's go. We are We are off to 790 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: find the spear that signs us off the sphere of destiny. 791 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: You can follow our adventures on Happened Here pod and 792 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: Coles Media on Twitter. Um and yeah, I'm sure we 793 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: will give you updates for our Spirit ventures of the Pod. Sophie. 794 00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: We need half a million dollars to find the Spirit 795 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: of destinating. 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