Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Daniel Moody. Recording from the Home Bunker, Folks,
Speaker 1: I'm coming to you after hearing news of a protester
Speaker 1: that self emilated close to the courthouse where Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is on trial. At the time of this recording, I
Speaker 1: don't really have any details. I have seen the clips
Speaker 1: of the reporters who were there just getting this image
Speaker 1: and broadcasting live. We are living in such unstable, uncertain
Speaker 1: and just remarkably volatile times when you feel like the
Speaker 1: only thing that you can do is this kind of act,
Speaker 1: which monks have done, and we've reported on this show.
Speaker 1: You know, just a couple of months ago, another protester
Speaker 1: in front of an embassy Israeli embassy in DC did
Speaker 1: the same thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I know that some of you follow astrology and know
Speaker 1: that some of you don't. Some people think that it's
Speaker 1: just woohoo. Other people are like, it's one of the oldest,
Speaker 1: you know, spiritual religious systems right that guided us for
Speaker 1: quite some time. And what I will say about this
Speaker 1: moment is that an astrologer that I follow, who is
Speaker 1: also a friend, Channy Nicholas, who has an incredible app
Speaker 1: has said that the astrology of this moment, this time
Speaker 1: that we are living in mirrors the astrology from the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties and what was happening, and like you know,
Speaker 1: the eclipses, the just astrological conjunctions and all of these things,
Speaker 1: the return Jupiter Saturn, like all of these things that
Speaker 1: are happening. I continue to say that we are at
Speaker 1: an inflection point. The world is essentially a tinderbox, and
Speaker 1: you know it is necessary, necessary, necessary, necessary to slow down,
Speaker 1: to have grace, to give yourself grace, to give those
Speaker 1: around you grace, to take a beat. I will be
Speaker 1: very transparent that last week I had an absolute breakdown.
Speaker 1: Couldn't really pinpoint the reason why, but I was feeling
Speaker 1: very erratic, feeling just very unhinged, lots of tears, just exhausted,
Speaker 1: emotional like, just feeling out of sorts. And I urge
Speaker 1: you all that before you get to that moment of bursting.
Speaker 1: And maybe sometimes the bursting is necessary, it's part of
Speaker 1: the process. But when you start to feel yourself spinning
Speaker 1: in any which way, find ways to ground yourself. If
Speaker 1: that is meditation, if it is prayer, if it is
Speaker 1: going for a walk, if it is playing with a pet,
Speaker 1: if it is calling a friend, if it's dialing up
Speaker 1: your therapist, if it is gardening, you know, if it
Speaker 1: is music, whatever it is that grounds you reach for
Speaker 1: it in abundance because the times, folks are just wild
Speaker 1: a f Coming up next my conversation with my friend
Speaker 1: and just brilliant mind, professor doctor Christina Greer. Is this
Speaker 1: episode just chop full of black girl magic and brilliance
Speaker 1: and analysis and just the most So I hope that
Speaker 1: you enjoy it, folks. I am so excited to welcome
Speaker 1: back to WOKF Daily, doctor Christina Greer, Political scientists, Associate
Speaker 1: professor at Fordham University, author of Black Ethnics, and co
Speaker 1: host of FAQ NYC, host of The Blackest Question. She
Speaker 1: is the blackest person, Brooklynmon. I love this for all
Speaker 1: of us. It's so great to have you. It's so
Speaker 1: great to have you back on. There's been so much
Speaker 1: that has been playing out in the news as of late,
Speaker 1: and so I actually let us avoid the conversation around
Speaker 1: Trump at least for the beginning first part of our conversation.
Speaker 1: You know, the NCAA Women's tournament just ended incredible. I
Speaker 1: mean incredible season for women's basketball. What I will say
Speaker 1: to my woll Gay Up listeners is that I am
Speaker 1: a newbie. I have always enjoyed basketball, but over the
Speaker 1: last year I really got into women's basketball because of
Speaker 1: my girlfriend, who's a big fan of the WNBA. We
Speaker 1: went to a bunch of games and just like got
Speaker 1: into it. And so this season of women's college basketball
Speaker 1: has just been incredible. What's also been incredible is the
Speaker 1: media coverage that has really showed America's ass in so
Speaker 1: many ways as it pertains to misogyny, as it pertains
Speaker 1: to patriarchy and race and racism. Missagy Noir, I mean,
Speaker 1: you name it, I'm gonna throw anti anti blackness. We
Speaker 1: have just seen it play out with the matchup of
Speaker 1: these teams that we have seen with Iowa, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and uh Caitlin Clark and you know, a
Speaker 1: largely you know, majority white team and the mid you
Speaker 1: know in the Midwest that the media wanted to portray
Speaker 1: as America's sweethearts versus you know, LSU right, a black
Speaker 1: team led by Angela angel Reyes and Flage and who
Speaker 1: are unapologetically black. You go to the finals and you
Speaker 1: have uh, South Carolina going you know against Iowa South Carolina,
Speaker 1: black team headed by a black woman again, unapologetic black
Speaker 1: woman coach. And the way that the media, Christina has
Speaker 1: framed this has been so disappointing, but so you know expected, right,
Speaker 1: But I think that for a lot of people again,
Speaker 1: you're having meal, tens of millions of people tuned in, right,
Speaker 1: And I wonder from you just you know, you were
Speaker 1: watching the clips. You're a big fan of Dawn Staley,
Speaker 1: you know, because she's Philly, Philly bred and born and
Speaker 1: just a superstar you know, has been. She was a
Speaker 1: superstar when she was a player, she's been a superstar
Speaker 1: as a coach. What did you make of the media
Speaker 1: brew ha ha over the.
Speaker 2: Over this March Madness season. Well A, it's always great
Speaker 2: to spend time with you, b you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: quote my late grandmother who always said, the only time
Speaker 2: you should be surprised is when you're surprised. And to me,
Speaker 2: this coverage is like Larry Bird Magic Johnson all over again.
Speaker 2: If those of your listeners remember that, it's like the
Speaker 2: media needs a Larry Bird, they need a Christian Latner,
Speaker 2: they need a white savior in this like growingly black sport. Now,
Speaker 2: the conversation was always, Oh, we don't pay women anything
Speaker 2: because no one watches women's sports. That's out the window. Yay,
Speaker 2: because they've posted the numbers. The proof of ism is
Speaker 2: in the pudding, you know, even when the Liberty made
Speaker 2: it to the playoffs last year, record numbers, record and
Speaker 2: so stop with the excuses. We sort of started happening
Speaker 2: this conversation when Britney Griner was detained in Russia, yep,
Speaker 2: and the conversations and why was she in Russia? Right,
Speaker 2: because she doesn't make any money in the United States.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine, you know, basically looking at her CB,
Speaker 2: It's like Steph Curry's like, I got to go to
Speaker 2: Russia to make a little bit of money in the
Speaker 2: off season. No, you can't, right, And so how we
Speaker 2: treat women period, not like just female athletes. To remember
Speaker 2: a few years ago, we saw their workout and it
Speaker 2: was like some yoga mats and a dumb bell set.
Speaker 2: That was it from Target? Like that was it? I mean?
Speaker 2: And people were showing pictures of their home gyms, like
Speaker 2: I live in New York City. I got a better
Speaker 2: setup than they do, right, And I live in an
Speaker 2: eight hundred square for an apartment like that was what
Speaker 2: people were posting. So fast forward to twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: you've got, you know, kind of these rematches, and even
Speaker 2: when South Carolina wins, they try and make the story
Speaker 2: about Caitlin right, and you see people online like, hey,
Speaker 2: you can actually talk about the winners. You could still
Speaker 2: talk about these black girls, unapologized black girls who have
Speaker 2: made it to the final four. You know, you even
Speaker 2: have some of these And this is the problem with
Speaker 2: sports journalism. You very rarely can find a good sports journalist.
Speaker 2: You have a lot of former athletes who are employed
Speaker 2: talking about sports, but there's a real respect that we
Speaker 2: have for journalists, people who dedicate their lives to it.
Speaker 2: So you have these former athletes spouting the same misogynistic,
Speaker 2: anti black rhetoric about black female athletes that you no
Speaker 2: longer have to have old white men saying. You've got
Speaker 2: young black men saying it. Well, if Angel Reives didn't
Speaker 2: want to, you know, get talked about that, maybe she
Speaker 2: shouldn't have come out and talking about It's like, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about? This young woman does not deserve
Speaker 2: the racist vitriol that she had to endure these past
Speaker 2: few years. You and I know the hate mail that
Speaker 2: we get, so we can only imagine the scale in
Speaker 2: which she gets it. And we haven't had the conversation
Speaker 2: about the politics of respectability right out loud, conversation about
Speaker 2: these young girls with the nails, with the lashes, with
Speaker 2: the with the baby hair, with the weave, where it's
Speaker 2: just like they're doing their jobs and they may not
Speaker 2: look the way you think a black girl should look,
Speaker 2: they may not speak the way you think black people
Speaker 2: should speak. But as we've seen, politics of respectability only
Speaker 2: gets us thus far. And you know, we've had this
Speaker 2: conversation about men when we think about Hank Aaron being perfect,
Speaker 2: and we see the way he was treated, Bill Russell
Speaker 2: being perfect, We saw the way he was treated. So
Speaker 2: these girls are like, you know what, I would be
Speaker 2: perfectly on the court. Everything else that's subject to your
Speaker 2: interpretation and your opinion. So I'm gonna do me because
Speaker 2: me sort of presenting myself in the way that you
Speaker 2: want it is still not going to ever let you
Speaker 2: accept me. So why not just be authentic and represent
Speaker 2: where I represent? And I think someone like Don Staley
Speaker 2: as a coach, being authentically herself and genuine about not
Speaker 2: just her faith, but her struggle to get to where
Speaker 2: she is, you know. I mean, I have the pleasure
Speaker 2: of being friends with Gail Marquis, who was in the
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy six women's Olympic team. They were silver medal. Okay,
Speaker 2: she's seventy years old, just I mean brilliant. And we
Speaker 2: went to a Knicks game together and she's telling me
Speaker 2: stories and we're cracking and laughing, but they're horrendous stories, right,
Speaker 2: So I was like, hey, Gale, did she ever think
Speaker 2: about coaching? She was like, girl coaches made like seventy
Speaker 2: five dolive Like. She was like, they didn't start paying
Speaker 2: female coaches any money until recently. And she was like,
Speaker 2: and now you see, you know, male coaches coaching female
Speaker 2: teams because there's actually money there, right, But before, when
Speaker 2: there was no money, you didn't see any male coaches.
Speaker 2: So she was like, you know, she played overseas in
Speaker 2: Paris for many, many years because there was nothing for
Speaker 2: her to do here, right, I mean, she didn't have
Speaker 2: a basketball team in her ice, in her middle school.
Speaker 2: She didn't start playing basketball until high school. I mean,
Speaker 2: so just even like the pipeline for women's sports, one
Speaker 2: of my godsisters played for Northwestern. She was a major
Speaker 2: star in the college circuit, but there was no WNBA
Speaker 2: at the time, so like she went front office in
Speaker 2: a lot of NBA sports, Like she couldn't work in
Speaker 2: her own field at the time. And so we see
Speaker 2: the inequities still exist. But the way, you know, people
Speaker 2: try and talk about Coach Staley, I mean asking Coach
Speaker 2: Staley about transports, which is sure if you want to
Speaker 2: ask coaches that question, A, ask all the coaches that question. B.
Speaker 2: Maybe not ask him that question in the middle of
Speaker 2: the Final four, when you know the hatred and vitriol
Speaker 2: they're going to receive from even broaching that topic. And
Speaker 2: Don Staley A answered it perfectly. But our facts gave
Speaker 2: a nod to the fact that, like, you do know
Speaker 2: that you ask me this question is going to detract
Speaker 2: from what I need to do, you know, and I
Speaker 2: know that my players, my black girls got to play
Speaker 2: against the players and the referees, right, because we do
Speaker 2: know that America needs this sort of Caitlyn Clark, right.
Speaker 2: We see this all the time. We see it usually
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl when it's a matchup between black
Speaker 2: quarterback and white quarterback. We see it constantly, and it's exhausting.
Speaker 2: You know, I saw the articles DNCE Daily had a
Speaker 2: fifty seven hundred dollars Louis vuittan jacket on when she
Speaker 2: was coaching. Well, you know what, she's just got a
Speaker 2: major bonus because she's taken them to the playoffs and
Speaker 2: she's taken them to the championship. And how she chooses
Speaker 2: to spend her money is how she chooses to spend
Speaker 2: her money. I don't think that I've ever seen an
Speaker 2: article about the cost of tailored suits of Rick Patino
Speaker 2: when he's coaching or whomever, right college or otherwise. And
Speaker 2: so this we see it in politics all the time.
Speaker 2: How you talk about women's hair, how you talk about
Speaker 2: women's bodies, their weight, their clothing. You know, do they
Speaker 2: have kids and I have kids? Or they married or
Speaker 2: then you know, I mean we talk about the coach
Speaker 2: of lsu Kim Mulki and her Shenanigans. Sure, but like
Speaker 2: we know more about her outfits, and granted, her outfits
Speaker 2: are wild and Owland is short, and she like, girl,
Speaker 2: are you trying to the court, But it's like, why
Speaker 2: are we talking about her clothes? I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: agree with her politics and a lot of the things
Speaker 2: that she says about, you know, anti vaxxing and you know,
Speaker 2: some of her conservative us she's crazy, She's she's an
Speaker 2: amazing coach, though, and so we spend a lot of
Speaker 2: time talking about her outfits and not her coaching. And
Speaker 2: so I think that I looked at don Staley as
Speaker 2: a guide because she's a unbothered at least in the
Speaker 2: public facing. She clearly has a good team behind her
Speaker 2: that she can sort of decompress with. But I mean,
Speaker 2: don't forget she's been a child star. I mean there
Speaker 2: are articles about her from when she was in eighth grade,
Speaker 2: you know, so she's unfortunately had to deal with the
Speaker 2: racism and sexism and the massage noir and the anti
Speaker 2: blackness because don't forget, she didn't go to fancy schools
Speaker 2: in Philly, you know, like she did go to school
Speaker 2: playing basketball and worked her way all the way up
Speaker 2: to where she is now. So I think that she's
Speaker 2: accustomed to this. It doesn't make it right, but she's
Speaker 2: really good at I mean, her answers in some of
Speaker 2: these q and as has been from a woman who
Speaker 2: clearly knows how the media treats black women.
Speaker 1: I'm also thinking about Fannie Willis being in the press
Speaker 1: and being questioned about, you know, who bought you a
Speaker 1: dinner and who did this for you and that for you.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, we have an entire fucking criminal that is
Speaker 1: the Republican candidate for president, but we're not having conversations
Speaker 1: about who paid his bail and who's doing this and
Speaker 1: who's doing that. And so there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: attention in the media, whether it be in politics or
Speaker 1: in sports, of black women.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: What you're talking about tis James, you know here in
Speaker 1: New York, and you know her the press. She has
Speaker 1: a ven debta against Donald Trump. No, she has a
Speaker 1: been debta against criminals and grifters, right, Like she's an
Speaker 1: attorney general, Like that's her job. The same thing with
Speaker 1: Fannie Willison. Then you look at just the treatment, you know,
Speaker 1: and we watched Angel Reese break down right twenty and
Speaker 1: remind ourselves she is twenty one years old. She is
Speaker 1: a baby, right that has the spotlight on her is
Speaker 1: not afraid of the spotlight. But it is also going
Speaker 1: to be very real with people about what comes the good,
Speaker 1: the endorsements, the money, this that and the other thing,
Speaker 1: the Vogue shoot and the bad which are the death threats,
Speaker 1: right and the fear, and so I just, you know,
Speaker 1: I wonder Christina, like I feel like we have to
Speaker 1: do so much explaining as black women. It never ends
Speaker 1: on what it is to be in this black woman
Speaker 1: body and deal with a white supremacist, patriarchal society, right,
Speaker 1: and like and the exhaustion that comes from that. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, you know, for you, but
Speaker 1: at what point or will we ever get to a
Speaker 1: point where we're just like, I actually don't give a fuck,
Speaker 1: like what you think and what you're saying and what
Speaker 1: you're writing about. And I'm good and I'm gonna keep
Speaker 1: being good because you're all gonna keep being terrible, right, So.
Speaker 2: I think I'm swiftly approaching that point. So a few things.
Speaker 2: So one, I detest these black women are superheroes T shirts,
Speaker 2: because I'm like, we're not. We're mortals, just like everybody else.
Speaker 2: We're just doing the job of everybody else. I'm not
Speaker 2: a superhero. I'm a freaking human being. And because you're slacking,
Speaker 2: I've actually got to pick up your slack. So it's
Speaker 2: like we're like the housekeepers slash moms of the world.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be that. Like j I'm tired
Speaker 2: of being your cleanup woman. Part of me is just
Speaker 2: sort of like I'm doing what I can do. I'm
Speaker 2: explaining to you what you should be doing, but I'm
Speaker 2: actually not going to do your job and I might
Speaker 2: have to just deal with the consequences. But as you
Speaker 2: and I have both seen the number of black women
Speaker 2: we know who go into early graves because we're doing
Speaker 2: everybody else's work. We're worrying about everybody else, and we're
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how we can make everything work.
Speaker 2: And it's like, you know what, the sun God willing
Speaker 2: will rise again tomorrow without me, and you realize, you know,
Speaker 2: I told you, I've told you the story before. But
Speaker 2: the black secretary that was working at Fordham the very
Speaker 2: first day of school and I'm like, I need you
Speaker 2: know these syllabi xeroxton, I need my blue books and
Speaker 2: where's my classroom and blah blah blah, and she was like,
Speaker 2: I'm about to take off two weeks. I'm like two
Speaker 2: weeks at the beginning of school. What like, who does that?
Speaker 2: You're the admin, right, And she was like, listen, these
Speaker 2: people are not about to rush me into an early grief,
Speaker 2: because of course that's when everyone's hysterical the first two
Speaker 2: weeks of school. And she said, look at here, this
Speaker 2: is my first day. She says, my name will never
Speaker 2: be on the outside of this building. And she just
Speaker 2: let it hang out there, and then she looks at
Speaker 2: me and she says, and neither will yours. So she's like, so,
Speaker 2: you can give these people your whole life if you
Speaker 2: want to. But at the end of the day, the
Speaker 2: Lowenstein Building is still going to be named the Lowenstein Building, Okay. So,
Speaker 2: and I swear that has been my north star for
Speaker 2: a really long time, Like and Erica Badou, don't be
Speaker 2: naming the buildings after me to go down dilapidated. Like so,
Speaker 2: even if you do get a building named after you,
Speaker 2: and what then? What? So? I feel like that's part
Speaker 2: of me. I do this intermittent working thing. You know,
Speaker 2: I work really hard and then I take off. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know I love a swimsuit. You know I love
Speaker 2: some sun. So I'm out next week. I'm out. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna bust my help this week until next Wednesday. Next Wednesday.
Speaker 2: You know, only people who know me know me, and
Speaker 2: they can reach me. Everybody else you'll get my lovely
Speaker 2: out of office reply. So that's two three. This is
Speaker 2: where we slightly different, and this is why I love
Speaker 2: black women, because we could be sisters and indifference. I
Speaker 2: support your analysis of Tis James one thousand percent. I
Speaker 2: do not agree with your analysis of Fanning Mail. Okay,
Speaker 2: First thing my father told me. My first job airstep
Speaker 2: busy brown shoe store. Second job TGI Friday's Smiley people
Speaker 2: greeter aka hostis well, my dad told me, don't get
Speaker 2: your honey where you make your money. Come on and Fanny,
Speaker 2: we know that Donald Trump is the slipperiest of the
Speaker 2: slipperiest man. Yep. We know that he hires p people
Speaker 2: specifically yeah, to go after and find what your achilles
Speaker 2: heel is. He's done in his entire career because he
Speaker 2: likes to cut corners. He likes to not pay, He
Speaker 2: likes to never pay the piper and face up to
Speaker 2: what he's done. He always deflects to flex the flex.
Speaker 2: You know this. You're smart enough to know this. You're
Speaker 2: a lawyer. You've had clients like it. You've never had
Speaker 2: a former president of the United States. So we unfortunately
Speaker 2: have to rest on what our parents told us from
Speaker 2: day one in kindergarten. You gotta work twice sorry to
Speaker 2: get half as much. You know that you will be
Speaker 2: judged differently. You can't do what they do. You can't
Speaker 2: act like how they act. We know this the only
Speaker 2: reason why she's that successful because she had parents who
Speaker 2: told her that, and she listened to them, and that's
Speaker 2: how she got where she got. But I don't understand
Speaker 2: why she would think that having a relationship with someone
Speaker 2: at her job is something that the former president of
Speaker 2: the United States, that particular president, wouldn't find an exploit.
Speaker 2: And she kept saying rightfully, So I'm not the one
Speaker 2: on trial. Except for Fanny. We talked about you and
Speaker 2: your sex life and Gorilla Grip and all this other stuff.
Speaker 2: For three weeks. We didn't talk about Donald Trump. We
Speaker 2: just talked about you. And all he had to do
Speaker 2: was sow that seed of doubt in Moderates, Independence Weeklaning
Speaker 2: Democrats and a lot of people. And so, yes, you
Speaker 2: may still be on the case, but it's tarnished now.
Speaker 2: And that's not necessarily his doing, it's his exploitation of it.
Speaker 2: But you're the one who did it. And so that's
Speaker 2: my frustrations as a black woman. I support whatever she does. Sure,
Speaker 2: I know it's a lonely job, it's a huge job,
Speaker 2: it's a high pressure job. Things I don't know. That's
Speaker 2: not my job. But I'm like, you also know your
Speaker 2: foundation from your parents, because it's the same thing that
Speaker 2: my parents told me and your parents told you, because
Speaker 2: that's how we're where we are, not just surviving but thriving.
Speaker 2: There's a difference. And so like you work this hard
Speaker 2: to get up there and throw it away for some
Speaker 2: like some d girl, like just wait or get it
Speaker 2: someplace else. It's Atlanta, Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So my frustration is, we know who Donald Trump is.
Speaker 2: She of all people, knows who he is and how
Speaker 2: shady he is and the types of people he has
Speaker 2: around him who will do nothing but find some girl
Speaker 2: who doesn't really like you, who wants to exploit it,
Speaker 2: find somebody who's a little jealous of you, who wants
Speaker 2: to tell your business all the things that we unfortunately
Speaker 2: saw on display. And so like, yes, she's strong, but
Speaker 2: it really it frustrated me.
Speaker 1: She shouldn't have put herself and I and I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that where I came from it was you
Speaker 1: shouldn't have put yourself in that position. You should have
Speaker 1: known better, you do know better. You just decided not
Speaker 1: to do better. And we are what I will and
Speaker 1: here we are. What I did appreciate is the fact that,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought that she was going to walk
Speaker 1: into that space with her head coward, her shoulders slumped
Speaker 1: and be really apologetic and give them, you know what
Speaker 1: they wanted, you know, sorry, sir, I'll go back in
Speaker 1: my place, sir, type of bullshit. And she didn't, and
Speaker 1: so and so for that part, I was just like, well,
Speaker 1: you did it, you know, so you might as well
Speaker 1: just own it. And that's what she did, right. I
Speaker 1: just would have rather you not do it if.
Speaker 2: I'm mad that we even had to get to that point,
Speaker 2: like so how she comported herself great? Fine, But I
Speaker 2: wasn't like, yes, girl did it, because I'm just like,
Speaker 2: why are we talking? I don't want to know anything.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about Jacksmith's sex life. I don't
Speaker 2: know anything about Tis james the sex life. I don't
Speaker 2: any think about al Brad's sex life, Like I don't
Speaker 2: want to know anything about the prosecution. You know why,
Speaker 2: because they're just doing their jobs and they're making sure
Speaker 2: that the ship is tight. Because dealing with a former
Speaker 2: president of the United States in an unprecedented manner, everything
Speaker 2: has to be super super tight. And that's for white
Speaker 2: boys prosecuting him. So you know, for a black person,
Speaker 2: you know, for a woman, you know, damn sure, for
Speaker 2: a black woman, it's gotta be air tight. I'm talking
Speaker 2: NASA level air tight. And it wasn't. And so it
Speaker 2: makes it look like, oh, even in the side position,
Speaker 2: you got you know, Shenanigans on the mind. And here
Speaker 2: we are. Yeah, we didn't talk about Donald Trump for
Speaker 2: a long time. And now the Georgia case, which is
Speaker 2: probably the best case against him, is dead. To rights
Speaker 2: on the phone talking about giving these votes. It's that's
Speaker 2: a tarnished case. Now, yeah, it's not over, but it's
Speaker 2: delayed and it's tarnished. And November will come before Georgia.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this as we close out, because
Speaker 1: I do want to touch upon where people's energy is. Recently,
Speaker 1: Biden came out with a new what I thought was
Speaker 1: a fantastic ad showcasing the story of a white woman
Speaker 1: who was denied an abortion and is probably now infertile
Speaker 1: and won't be able to have children again because of
Speaker 1: the serious condition that she needed to be in order
Speaker 1: to have an abortion, because her baby was not viable.
Speaker 1: They put together a great ad. It's circulating right now.
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, whiteness, maleness, our obsession with wealth,
Speaker 1: the fact that the Supreme Court has bought and sold,
Speaker 1: the fact that federal benches have been bought and sold,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is still a viable candidate for president. And
Speaker 1: you know, we're still in a place of fifty to
Speaker 1: fifty toss up. What do you make of what you
Speaker 1: are seeing right now? We're still seven months out in
Speaker 1: terms of the probability of Democrats being able to hold on.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm i've ascilated because after the State of
Speaker 2: the Union, I was like, okay, great, I feel good.
Speaker 2: I feel I felt really good after the State of
Speaker 2: the Union. It so you laid out some visions. You know,
Speaker 2: for a certain segment of the population, you cannot deny
Speaker 2: loan forgiveness has been messes, right. I don't understand why
Speaker 2: he's not in some communities. You know, obviously he can't
Speaker 2: say to all communities because not everyone benefited from it,
Speaker 2: but for a lot of black communities who did, it's
Speaker 2: like that's gonna help with wealth creation. You can actually
Speaker 2: buy your first home because you will be paying off
Speaker 2: old debts. You can actually start saving for new futures. Environmentally,
Speaker 2: is anyone perfect? No? But has he done exponentially more
Speaker 2: than any other president? Yes? Right? So for like issues
Speaker 2: that you know, being on the right side of history
Speaker 2: when it comes to a woman's right to choose, I
Speaker 2: still hate the fact that Biden and Democrats use Republican
Speaker 2: language of pro life. Republicans aren't pro life. They believe
Speaker 2: in the death penalty. They believe in starving American children,
Speaker 2: they believe in starving children at the border, they believe
Speaker 2: in starving children internationally. They're not pro life. So stop
Speaker 2: using pro life. It's anti choice or choice? Do you
Speaker 2: believe grown women and young women should have a choice
Speaker 2: over their own autonomy? Right? Everything's economic issues. That's why
Speaker 2: people go to the polls. I would argue abortion is
Speaker 2: an economic issue. Mm hm. I would argue everything that
Speaker 2: Joe Biden laid out is an economic issue. And unfortunately
Speaker 2: people to judge camping your best sarrogate and you're only
Speaker 2: Sarah Gate right, Like, we need to be able to
Speaker 2: talk about stop talking about this a morphous thing called
Speaker 2: the economy. People don't know what the economy is. People
Speaker 2: know how their pocketbooks feel. People know can I afford
Speaker 2: summer camp or not? Can I afford this gas or not?
Speaker 2: When I go to the grocery store fifty dollars just
Speaker 2: to give me two grocery bags. Now it gets me
Speaker 2: fairly won like talk about it in that context, not
Speaker 2: in sort of abstract terms, because the economy sounds like
Speaker 2: Wall Street people, not regular people. So the language needs
Speaker 2: to change. What makes me nervous, very nervous, is this
Speaker 2: idea of international affairs. Now Oftentimes there's very little daylight
Speaker 2: between Democrats and Republicans when it comes to international affairs.
Speaker 2: But Americans don't really tend to care about international affairs
Speaker 2: in the way that we should. I mean, we do
Speaker 2: wild things across the world, always have since since our inception.
Speaker 2: We are a bellicost nation. We can't stop being at war,
Speaker 2: whether it's at home or abroad, usually abroad where people
Speaker 2: are really paying attention. But that's where a lot of
Speaker 2: our money goes. So when things are tight, especially in
Speaker 2: a post COVID world. Folks are now actually sort of
Speaker 2: allah the sixties with Vietnam, where's my money going? Because
Speaker 2: it seems like my money is going towards things across
Speaker 2: the world that I don't agree with. We didn't really
Speaker 2: see this with Iraq and Iran in Afghanistan. Excuse me
Speaker 2: with you know, the sort of we were growing up
Speaker 2: during Desert Storm. We heard about it, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, okay, well that's a war that's
Speaker 2: you know, worth fighting. I guess that's where it was framed,
Speaker 2: and Democrats were fine with it. Similarly, post nine to
Speaker 2: eleven Iraq and Afghanistan, we know it's like the pretext
Speaker 2: seems real false, real shaky, and really a lie, but
Speaker 2: nobody was like, no, Democrats were holding George Bush. You know,
Speaker 2: they disliked George Bush. Fine, but like Republicans weren't holding
Speaker 2: into the fire. They were like, this is the world,
Speaker 2: make it moneys, where you going to do? And even
Speaker 2: when you know continues under Obama, it's like, shame on you, Obama.
Speaker 2: You didn't close going down, But no one punished Obama
Speaker 2: the way. Yeah, it seems like Joe Biden has become
Speaker 2: the face of international relations, and it seems like people
Speaker 2: of color and young people and first and second and
Speaker 2: third gens, a lot of folks are like, I'm tired
Speaker 2: of having international relations conversations that aren't directly related to
Speaker 2: who we are as a nation. And it seems to
Speaker 2: be falling on the feet of Joe Biden, and he
Speaker 2: does not seem to be doing a great job articulating it. Now,
Speaker 2: we know that the Republican Party will be exponentially worse
Speaker 2: abroad on a whole host of issues, whether it's Ukraine
Speaker 2: and Russia, whether it's Israel and Palestine, whether it's the
Speaker 2: entire continent of Africa, whether it's South America and their
Speaker 2: natural resources, you name it. We know that they will
Speaker 2: be whole worse. But the genocidal conversations about Joe Biden
Speaker 2: don't seem to be going away. And so for us
Speaker 2: to be six months in and this is you know,
Speaker 2: we have a very short attention span, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: you saw all the Ukrainian flags. Now, I can bear
Speaker 2: the fight in the Ukraine right now. But this doesn't
Speaker 2: seem to be shaken off the way I think Democrats
Speaker 2: thought that it would. And I think the wishful thinking
Speaker 2: was well, by November, folks will just be like, let's
Speaker 2: talk about the economy, let's talk about pocketbook issues. But
Speaker 2: I don't think that this is actually going away, and
Speaker 2: north do I think it should. But I do think
Speaker 2: that Joe Biden is being held to a standard that
Speaker 2: is trying to change the standard of how American presidents behave.
Speaker 2: But his competition will never change that standard. He'll actually
Speaker 2: make it worse. He'll make the entire country worse. So
Speaker 2: here we are in this moment where we're trying to
Speaker 2: figure out how do we hold several really important and
Speaker 2: difficult conversations that really get at who we are as
Speaker 2: a nation and how we spend our money as a nation,
Speaker 2: and how we not only treat the people in this
Speaker 2: country but also how we treat people abroad. We've always
Speaker 2: had this disconnect. It actually hasn't been that much of
Speaker 2: a disconnect. We treat people broad terrible, and we treat
Speaker 2: people in this country terribly, and I think people are
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, and it doesn't have to be that way.
Speaker 2: And so my concern, though, is there seems to be
Speaker 2: like and I'm going to show you Joe Biden that
Speaker 2: I'm not taking it right, which frightens me only because
Speaker 2: we are yes, we have multiple candidates, but it does
Speaker 2: boil down to a two party system at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, is George Washington warned us about. And
Speaker 2: the alternative to Joe Biden is a frightening, frightening pop
Speaker 2: position to me, largely because the first term of Donald
Speaker 2: Trump was a dry run to see what he could
Speaker 2: get away with. And now he knows where the keys
Speaker 2: to the castle are, he knows who not to let
Speaker 2: me not have any legit Republicans around me, because they'll
Speaker 2: just slow me down, let me actually like be the
Speaker 2: boy king that I wanted to be, and these Republicans
Speaker 2: are like, no, sir, actually there are limits to executive orders.
Speaker 2: No sir, Actually, we can't just you know, deport people
Speaker 2: because I don't like them. No sir, actually, we can't
Speaker 2: just like start selling things off and making money for
Speaker 2: you and your family. But that's what he's done to
Speaker 2: every company he's ever had, and so now he's he's
Speaker 2: sort of seen this is how I can do it
Speaker 2: to the American people. I mean, he's already as his
Speaker 2: own party paying for his devents, right, so like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a grifter, we know it. So that's what worries me.
Speaker 2: We will become the shell of our former selves. And like, listen,
Speaker 2: we've been playing the shell game for a long time,
Speaker 2: but we will really be hollowed out. It's like the mob,
Speaker 2: you know, like when the mob takes over your business,
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, you might still have the lights on,
Speaker 2: but like internally, you know, we saw the Sopranos, We've
Speaker 2: seen good fellows, we've seen the Godfather. Like internally, your
Speaker 2: business is no longer yours. And I don't as complicated
Speaker 2: as this country is. And you know, we write about it,
Speaker 2: we talk about it, we rail against it, but like
Speaker 2: we also fight for it because we're black people and
Speaker 2: that's what we've always done for this country. And I
Speaker 2: don't want to see it go down by the hands
Speaker 2: of someone like Donald Trump. My grandparents and great grandparents
Speaker 2: and the ancestors have fought and worked way too hard
Speaker 2: in this nation to have it sold off for parts
Speaker 2: by a man like him. A.
Speaker 1: Well, we will leave it there today, my friend, and
Speaker 1: pick it up god willing another day because the fight
Speaker 1: is not over yet. My friend, Doctor Christina Greer, always
Speaker 1: appreciate your analysis and your time.
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