1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Daniel Moody. Recording from the Home Bunker, Folks, 3 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: I'm coming to you after hearing news of a protester 4 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: that self emilated close to the courthouse where Donald Trump 5 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: is on trial. At the time of this recording, I 6 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: don't really have any details. I have seen the clips 7 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: of the reporters who were there just getting this image 8 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: and broadcasting live. We are living in such unstable, uncertain 9 00:00:54,040 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: and just remarkably volatile times when you feel like the 10 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: only thing that you can do is this kind of act, 11 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: which monks have done, and we've reported on this show. 12 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: You know, just a couple of months ago, another protester 13 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: in front of an embassy Israeli embassy in DC did 14 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: the same thing. 15 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: You know. 16 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: I know that some of you follow astrology and know 17 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: that some of you don't. Some people think that it's 18 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: just woohoo. Other people are like, it's one of the oldest, 19 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, spiritual religious systems right that guided us for 20 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: quite some time. And what I will say about this 21 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: moment is that an astrologer that I follow, who is 22 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: also a friend, Channy Nicholas, who has an incredible app 23 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: has said that the astrology of this moment, this time 24 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: that we are living in mirrors the astrology from the 25 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties and what was happening, and like you know, 26 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: the eclipses, the just astrological conjunctions and all of these things, 27 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: the return Jupiter Saturn, like all of these things that 28 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: are happening. I continue to say that we are at 29 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: an inflection point. The world is essentially a tinderbox, and 30 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: you know it is necessary, necessary, necessary, necessary to slow down, 31 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: to have grace, to give yourself grace, to give those 32 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: around you grace, to take a beat. I will be 33 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:48,559 Speaker 1: very transparent that last week I had an absolute breakdown. 34 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: Couldn't really pinpoint the reason why, but I was feeling 35 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: very erratic, feeling just very unhinged, lots of tears, just exhausted, 36 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: emotional like, just feeling out of sorts. And I urge 37 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: you all that before you get to that moment of bursting. 38 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: And maybe sometimes the bursting is necessary, it's part of 39 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: the process. But when you start to feel yourself spinning 40 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: in any which way, find ways to ground yourself. If 41 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: that is meditation, if it is prayer, if it is 42 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: going for a walk, if it is playing with a pet, 43 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: if it is calling a friend, if it's dialing up 44 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: your therapist, if it is gardening, you know, if it 45 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: is music, whatever it is that grounds you reach for 46 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: it in abundance because the times, folks are just wild 47 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: a f Coming up next my conversation with my friend 48 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: and just brilliant mind, professor doctor Christina Greer. Is this 49 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:08,279 Speaker 1: episode just chop full of black girl magic and brilliance 50 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: and analysis and just the most So I hope that 51 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: you enjoy it, folks. I am so excited to welcome 52 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: back to WOKF Daily, doctor Christina Greer, Political scientists, Associate 53 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: professor at Fordham University, author of Black Ethnics, and co 54 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: host of FAQ NYC, host of The Blackest Question. She 55 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: is the blackest person, Brooklynmon. I love this for all 56 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: of us. It's so great to have you. It's so 57 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: great to have you back on. There's been so much 58 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: that has been playing out in the news as of late, 59 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,559 Speaker 1: and so I actually let us avoid the conversation around 60 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: Trump at least for the beginning first part of our conversation. 61 00:04:53,960 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: You know, the NCAA Women's tournament just ended incredible. I 62 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: mean incredible season for women's basketball. What I will say 63 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: to my woll Gay Up listeners is that I am 64 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: a newbie. I have always enjoyed basketball, but over the 65 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: last year I really got into women's basketball because of 66 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: my girlfriend, who's a big fan of the WNBA. We 67 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: went to a bunch of games and just like got 68 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: into it. And so this season of women's college basketball 69 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: has just been incredible. What's also been incredible is the 70 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: media coverage that has really showed America's ass in so 71 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: many ways as it pertains to misogyny, as it pertains 72 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: to patriarchy and race and racism. Missagy Noir, I mean, 73 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: you name it, I'm gonna throw anti anti blackness. We 74 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: have just seen it play out with the matchup of 75 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: these teams that we have seen with Iowa, you know, 76 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: and and and uh Caitlin Clark and you know, a 77 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: largely you know, majority white team and the mid you 78 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: know in the Midwest that the media wanted to portray 79 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: as America's sweethearts versus you know, LSU right, a black 80 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: team led by Angela angel Reyes and Flage and who 81 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: are unapologetically black. You go to the finals and you 82 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: have uh, South Carolina going you know against Iowa South Carolina, 83 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: black team headed by a black woman again, unapologetic black 84 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: woman coach. And the way that the media, Christina has 85 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: framed this has been so disappointing, but so you know expected, right, 86 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: But I think that for a lot of people again, 87 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: you're having meal, tens of millions of people tuned in, right, 88 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: And I wonder from you just you know, you were 89 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: watching the clips. You're a big fan of Dawn Staley, 90 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, because she's Philly, Philly bred and born and 91 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: just a superstar you know, has been. She was a 92 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: superstar when she was a player, she's been a superstar 93 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: as a coach. What did you make of the media 94 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: brew ha ha over the. 95 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: Over this March Madness season. Well A, it's always great 96 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: to spend time with you, b you know, I'm gonna 97 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: quote my late grandmother who always said, the only time 98 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: you should be surprised is when you're surprised. And to me, 99 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: this coverage is like Larry Bird Magic Johnson all over again. 100 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: If those of your listeners remember that, it's like the 101 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: media needs a Larry Bird, they need a Christian Latner, 102 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: they need a white savior in this like growingly black sport. Now, 103 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: the conversation was always, Oh, we don't pay women anything 104 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: because no one watches women's sports. That's out the window. Yay, 105 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: because they've posted the numbers. The proof of ism is 106 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: in the pudding, you know, even when the Liberty made 107 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: it to the playoffs last year, record numbers, record and 108 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: so stop with the excuses. We sort of started happening 109 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: this conversation when Britney Griner was detained in Russia, yep, 110 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: and the conversations and why was she in Russia? Right, 111 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: because she doesn't make any money in the United States. 112 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: Can you imagine, you know, basically looking at her CB, 113 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: It's like Steph Curry's like, I got to go to 114 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: Russia to make a little bit of money in the 115 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: off season. No, you can't, right, And so how we 116 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: treat women period, not like just female athletes. To remember 117 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: a few years ago, we saw their workout and it 118 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: was like some yoga mats and a dumb bell set. 119 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: That was it from Target? Like that was it? I mean? 120 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: And people were showing pictures of their home gyms, like 121 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: I live in New York City. I got a better 122 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: setup than they do, right, And I live in an 123 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: eight hundred square for an apartment like that was what 124 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: people were posting. So fast forward to twenty twenty four, 125 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: you've got, you know, kind of these rematches, and even 126 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: when South Carolina wins, they try and make the story 127 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: about Caitlin right, and you see people online like, hey, 128 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: you can actually talk about the winners. You could still 129 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: talk about these black girls, unapologized black girls who have 130 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 2: made it to the final four. You know, you even 131 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: have some of these And this is the problem with 132 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 2: sports journalism. You very rarely can find a good sports journalist. 133 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: You have a lot of former athletes who are employed 134 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: talking about sports, but there's a real respect that we 135 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: have for journalists, people who dedicate their lives to it. 136 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: So you have these former athletes spouting the same misogynistic, 137 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: anti black rhetoric about black female athletes that you no 138 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: longer have to have old white men saying. You've got 139 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: young black men saying it. Well, if Angel Reives didn't 140 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: want to, you know, get talked about that, maybe she 141 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: shouldn't have come out and talking about It's like, what 142 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: are you talking about? This young woman does not deserve 143 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 2: the racist vitriol that she had to endure these past 144 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: few years. You and I know the hate mail that 145 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: we get, so we can only imagine the scale in 146 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: which she gets it. And we haven't had the conversation 147 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 2: about the politics of respectability right out loud, conversation about 148 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: these young girls with the nails, with the lashes, with 149 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 2: the with the baby hair, with the weave, where it's 150 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: just like they're doing their jobs and they may not 151 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: look the way you think a black girl should look, 152 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: they may not speak the way you think black people 153 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: should speak. But as we've seen, politics of respectability only 154 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: gets us thus far. And you know, we've had this 155 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: conversation about men when we think about Hank Aaron being perfect, 156 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: and we see the way he was treated, Bill Russell 157 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: being perfect, We saw the way he was treated. So 158 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,599 Speaker 2: these girls are like, you know what, I would be 159 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 2: perfectly on the court. Everything else that's subject to your 160 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 2: interpretation and your opinion. So I'm gonna do me because 161 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: me sort of presenting myself in the way that you 162 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: want it is still not going to ever let you 163 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: accept me. So why not just be authentic and represent 164 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: where I represent? And I think someone like Don Staley 165 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: as a coach, being authentically herself and genuine about not 166 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 2: just her faith, but her struggle to get to where 167 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: she is, you know. I mean, I have the pleasure 168 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: of being friends with Gail Marquis, who was in the 169 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy six women's Olympic team. They were silver medal. Okay, 170 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: she's seventy years old, just I mean brilliant. And we 171 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 2: went to a Knicks game together and she's telling me 172 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: stories and we're cracking and laughing, but they're horrendous stories, right, 173 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 2: So I was like, hey, Gale, did she ever think 174 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: about coaching? She was like, girl coaches made like seventy 175 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: five dolive Like. She was like, they didn't start paying 176 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: female coaches any money until recently. And she was like, 177 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: and now you see, you know, male coaches coaching female 178 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: teams because there's actually money there, right, But before, when 179 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: there was no money, you didn't see any male coaches. 180 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: So she was like, you know, she played overseas in 181 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: Paris for many, many years because there was nothing for 182 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 2: her to do here, right, I mean, she didn't have 183 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: a basketball team in her ice, in her middle school. 184 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: She didn't start playing basketball until high school. I mean, 185 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: so just even like the pipeline for women's sports, one 186 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: of my godsisters played for Northwestern. She was a major 187 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: star in the college circuit, but there was no WNBA 188 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: at the time, so like she went front office in 189 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: a lot of NBA sports, Like she couldn't work in 190 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: her own field at the time. And so we see 191 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: the inequities still exist. But the way, you know, people 192 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: try and talk about Coach Staley, I mean asking Coach 193 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: Staley about transports, which is sure if you want to 194 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: ask coaches that question, A, ask all the coaches that question. B. 195 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: Maybe not ask him that question in the middle of 196 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: the Final four, when you know the hatred and vitriol 197 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: they're going to receive from even broaching that topic. And 198 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: Don Staley A answered it perfectly. But our facts gave 199 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: a nod to the fact that, like, you do know 200 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: that you ask me this question is going to detract 201 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: from what I need to do, you know, and I 202 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: know that my players, my black girls got to play 203 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: against the players and the referees, right, because we do 204 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: know that America needs this sort of Caitlyn Clark, right. 205 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 2: We see this all the time. We see it usually 206 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl when it's a matchup between black 207 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: quarterback and white quarterback. We see it constantly, and it's exhausting. 208 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: You know, I saw the articles DNCE Daily had a 209 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 2: fifty seven hundred dollars Louis vuittan jacket on when she 210 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: was coaching. Well, you know what, she's just got a 211 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: major bonus because she's taken them to the playoffs and 212 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: she's taken them to the championship. And how she chooses 213 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: to spend her money is how she chooses to spend 214 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: her money. I don't think that I've ever seen an 215 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: article about the cost of tailored suits of Rick Patino 216 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: when he's coaching or whomever, right college or otherwise. And 217 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: so this we see it in politics all the time. 218 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: How you talk about women's hair, how you talk about 219 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: women's bodies, their weight, their clothing. You know, do they 220 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 2: have kids and I have kids? Or they married or 221 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: then you know, I mean we talk about the coach 222 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 2: of lsu Kim Mulki and her Shenanigans. Sure, but like 223 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: we know more about her outfits, and granted, her outfits 224 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 2: are wild and Owland is short, and she like, girl, 225 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: are you trying to the court, But it's like, why 226 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: are we talking about her clothes? I mean, I don't 227 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: agree with her politics and a lot of the things 228 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: that she says about, you know, anti vaxxing and you know, 229 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: some of her conservative us she's crazy, She's she's an 230 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: amazing coach, though, and so we spend a lot of 231 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: time talking about her outfits and not her coaching. And 232 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: so I think that I looked at don Staley as 233 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: a guide because she's a unbothered at least in the 234 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 2: public facing. She clearly has a good team behind her 235 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: that she can sort of decompress with. But I mean, 236 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: don't forget she's been a child star. I mean there 237 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: are articles about her from when she was in eighth grade, 238 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: you know, so she's unfortunately had to deal with the 239 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: racism and sexism and the massage noir and the anti 240 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: blackness because don't forget, she didn't go to fancy schools 241 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: in Philly, you know, like she did go to school 242 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: playing basketball and worked her way all the way up 243 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: to where she is now. So I think that she's 244 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: accustomed to this. It doesn't make it right, but she's 245 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: really good at I mean, her answers in some of 246 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: these q and as has been from a woman who 247 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: clearly knows how the media treats black women. 248 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: I'm also thinking about Fannie Willis being in the press 249 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: and being questioned about, you know, who bought you a 250 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: dinner and who did this for you and that for you. 251 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: And meanwhile, we have an entire fucking criminal that is 252 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: the Republican candidate for president, but we're not having conversations 253 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: about who paid his bail and who's doing this and 254 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: who's doing that. And so there's been a lot of 255 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: attention in the media, whether it be in politics or 256 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: in sports, of black women. 257 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: Right. 258 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: What you're talking about tis James, you know here in 259 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: New York, and you know her the press. She has 260 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: a ven debta against Donald Trump. No, she has a 261 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: been debta against criminals and grifters, right, Like she's an 262 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: attorney general, Like that's her job. The same thing with 263 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: Fannie Willison. Then you look at just the treatment, you know, 264 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: and we watched Angel Reese break down right twenty and 265 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: remind ourselves she is twenty one years old. She is 266 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: a baby, right that has the spotlight on her is 267 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: not afraid of the spotlight. But it is also going 268 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: to be very real with people about what comes the good, 269 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: the endorsements, the money, this that and the other thing, 270 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: the Vogue shoot and the bad which are the death threats, 271 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: right and the fear, and so I just, you know, 272 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: I wonder Christina, like I feel like we have to 273 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: do so much explaining as black women. It never ends 274 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: on what it is to be in this black woman 275 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: body and deal with a white supremacist, patriarchal society, right, 276 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: and like and the exhaustion that comes from that. And 277 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, you know, for you, but 278 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: at what point or will we ever get to a 279 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: point where we're just like, I actually don't give a fuck, 280 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: like what you think and what you're saying and what 281 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: you're writing about. And I'm good and I'm gonna keep 282 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: being good because you're all gonna keep being terrible, right, So. 283 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: I think I'm swiftly approaching that point. So a few things. 284 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: So one, I detest these black women are superheroes T shirts, 285 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: because I'm like, we're not. We're mortals, just like everybody else. 286 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 2: We're just doing the job of everybody else. I'm not 287 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: a superhero. I'm a freaking human being. And because you're slacking, 288 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: I've actually got to pick up your slack. So it's 289 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: like we're like the housekeepers slash moms of the world. 290 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,719 Speaker 2: I don't want to be that. Like j I'm tired 291 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 2: of being your cleanup woman. Part of me is just 292 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 2: sort of like I'm doing what I can do. I'm 293 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 2: explaining to you what you should be doing, but I'm 294 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 2: actually not going to do your job and I might 295 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: have to just deal with the consequences. But as you 296 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: and I have both seen the number of black women 297 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: we know who go into early graves because we're doing 298 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 2: everybody else's work. We're worrying about everybody else, and we're 299 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: trying to figure out how we can make everything work. 300 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 2: And it's like, you know what, the sun God willing 301 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: will rise again tomorrow without me, and you realize, you know, 302 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 2: I told you, I've told you the story before. But 303 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 2: the black secretary that was working at Fordham the very 304 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: first day of school and I'm like, I need you 305 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: know these syllabi xeroxton, I need my blue books and 306 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: where's my classroom and blah blah blah, and she was like, 307 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: I'm about to take off two weeks. I'm like two 308 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 2: weeks at the beginning of school. What like, who does that? 309 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: You're the admin, right, And she was like, listen, these 310 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 2: people are not about to rush me into an early grief, 311 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: because of course that's when everyone's hysterical the first two 312 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 2: weeks of school. And she said, look at here, this 313 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: is my first day. She says, my name will never 314 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: be on the outside of this building. And she just 315 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: let it hang out there, and then she looks at 316 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: me and she says, and neither will yours. So she's like, so, 317 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 2: you can give these people your whole life if you 318 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 2: want to. But at the end of the day, the 319 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 2: Lowenstein Building is still going to be named the Lowenstein Building, Okay. So, 320 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: and I swear that has been my north star for 321 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 2: a really long time, Like and Erica Badou, don't be 322 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: naming the buildings after me to go down dilapidated. Like so, 323 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: even if you do get a building named after you, 324 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 2: and what then? What? So? I feel like that's part 325 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: of me. I do this intermittent working thing. You know, 326 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: I work really hard and then I take off. Okay, 327 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: you know I love a swimsuit. You know I love 328 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: some sun. So I'm out next week. I'm out. I'm 329 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: gonna bust my help this week until next Wednesday. Next Wednesday. 330 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: You know, only people who know me know me, and 331 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: they can reach me. Everybody else you'll get my lovely 332 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: out of office reply. So that's two three. This is 333 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: where we slightly different, and this is why I love 334 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: black women, because we could be sisters and indifference. I 335 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 2: support your analysis of Tis James one thousand percent. I 336 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 2: do not agree with your analysis of Fanning Mail. Okay, 337 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 2: First thing my father told me. My first job airstep 338 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: busy brown shoe store. Second job TGI Friday's Smiley people 339 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 2: greeter aka hostis well, my dad told me, don't get 340 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: your honey where you make your money. Come on and Fanny, 341 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: we know that Donald Trump is the slipperiest of the 342 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 2: slipperiest man. Yep. We know that he hires p people 343 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 2: specifically yeah, to go after and find what your achilles 344 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: heel is. He's done in his entire career because he 345 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: likes to cut corners. He likes to not pay, He 346 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: likes to never pay the piper and face up to 347 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: what he's done. He always deflects to flex the flex. 348 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: You know this. You're smart enough to know this. You're 349 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 2: a lawyer. You've had clients like it. You've never had 350 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: a former president of the United States. So we unfortunately 351 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 2: have to rest on what our parents told us from 352 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: day one in kindergarten. You gotta work twice sorry to 353 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: get half as much. You know that you will be 354 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: judged differently. You can't do what they do. You can't 355 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: act like how they act. We know this the only 356 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: reason why she's that successful because she had parents who 357 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 2: told her that, and she listened to them, and that's 358 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: how she got where she got. But I don't understand 359 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: why she would think that having a relationship with someone 360 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: at her job is something that the former president of 361 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 2: the United States, that particular president, wouldn't find an exploit. 362 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: And she kept saying rightfully, So I'm not the one 363 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: on trial. Except for Fanny. We talked about you and 364 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 2: your sex life and Gorilla Grip and all this other stuff. 365 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 2: For three weeks. We didn't talk about Donald Trump. We 366 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 2: just talked about you. And all he had to do 367 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: was sow that seed of doubt in Moderates, Independence Weeklaning 368 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 2: Democrats and a lot of people. And so, yes, you 369 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 2: may still be on the case, but it's tarnished now. 370 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 2: And that's not necessarily his doing, it's his exploitation of it. 371 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 2: But you're the one who did it. And so that's 372 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: my frustrations as a black woman. I support whatever she does. Sure, 373 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: I know it's a lonely job, it's a huge job, 374 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: it's a high pressure job. Things I don't know. That's 375 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: not my job. But I'm like, you also know your 376 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 2: foundation from your parents, because it's the same thing that 377 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: my parents told me and your parents told you, because 378 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 2: that's how we're where we are, not just surviving but thriving. 379 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,719 Speaker 2: There's a difference. And so like you work this hard 380 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 2: to get up there and throw it away for some 381 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 2: like some d girl, like just wait or get it 382 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 2: someplace else. It's Atlanta, Like you know what I'm saying. 383 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 2: So my frustration is, we know who Donald Trump is. 384 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 2: She of all people, knows who he is and how 385 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: shady he is and the types of people he has 386 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: around him who will do nothing but find some girl 387 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 2: who doesn't really like you, who wants to exploit it, 388 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: find somebody who's a little jealous of you, who wants 389 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: to tell your business all the things that we unfortunately 390 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 2: saw on display. And so like, yes, she's strong, but 391 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: it really it frustrated me. 392 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: She shouldn't have put herself and I and I agree. 393 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: I think that where I came from it was you 394 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: shouldn't have put yourself in that position. You should have 395 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: known better, you do know better. You just decided not 396 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: to do better. And we are what I will and 397 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: here we are. What I did appreciate is the fact that, 398 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: you know, I thought that she was going to walk 399 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: into that space with her head coward, her shoulders slumped 400 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: and be really apologetic and give them, you know what 401 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: they wanted, you know, sorry, sir, I'll go back in 402 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: my place, sir, type of bullshit. And she didn't, and 403 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: so and so for that part, I was just like, well, 404 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: you did it, you know, so you might as well 405 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: just own it. And that's what she did, right. I 406 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: just would have rather you not do it if. 407 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: I'm mad that we even had to get to that point, 408 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: like so how she comported herself great? Fine, But I 409 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: wasn't like, yes, girl did it, because I'm just like, 410 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: why are we talking? I don't want to know anything. 411 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: I don't know anything about Jacksmith's sex life. I don't 412 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: know anything about Tis james the sex life. I don't 413 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 2: any think about al Brad's sex life, Like I don't 414 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: want to know anything about the prosecution. You know why, 415 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 2: because they're just doing their jobs and they're making sure 416 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 2: that the ship is tight. Because dealing with a former 417 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: president of the United States in an unprecedented manner, everything 418 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 2: has to be super super tight. And that's for white 419 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 2: boys prosecuting him. So you know, for a black person, 420 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 2: you know, for a woman, you know, damn sure, for 421 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: a black woman, it's gotta be air tight. I'm talking 422 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 2: NASA level air tight. And it wasn't. And so it 423 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: makes it look like, oh, even in the side position, 424 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 2: you got you know, Shenanigans on the mind. And here 425 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 2: we are. Yeah, we didn't talk about Donald Trump for 426 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: a long time. And now the Georgia case, which is 427 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: probably the best case against him, is dead. To rights 428 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 2: on the phone talking about giving these votes. It's that's 429 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: a tarnished case. Now, yeah, it's not over, but it's 430 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: delayed and it's tarnished. And November will come before Georgia. 431 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this as we close out, because 432 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: I do want to touch upon where people's energy is. Recently, 433 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: Biden came out with a new what I thought was 434 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: a fantastic ad showcasing the story of a white woman 435 00:24:54,680 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: who was denied an abortion and is probably now infertile 436 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: and won't be able to have children again because of 437 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: the serious condition that she needed to be in order 438 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: to have an abortion, because her baby was not viable. 439 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: They put together a great ad. It's circulating right now. 440 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, whiteness, maleness, our obsession with wealth, 441 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: the fact that the Supreme Court has bought and sold, 442 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: the fact that federal benches have been bought and sold, 443 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is still a viable candidate for president. And 444 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, we're still in a place of fifty to 445 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: fifty toss up. What do you make of what you 446 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: are seeing right now? We're still seven months out in 447 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: terms of the probability of Democrats being able to hold on. 448 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: You know, I'm i've ascilated because after the State of 449 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 2: the Union, I was like, okay, great, I feel good. 450 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: I feel I felt really good after the State of 451 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 2: the Union. It so you laid out some visions. You know, 452 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 2: for a certain segment of the population, you cannot deny 453 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: loan forgiveness has been messes, right. I don't understand why 454 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: he's not in some communities. You know, obviously he can't 455 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 2: say to all communities because not everyone benefited from it, 456 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: but for a lot of black communities who did, it's 457 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: like that's gonna help with wealth creation. You can actually 458 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: buy your first home because you will be paying off 459 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 2: old debts. You can actually start saving for new futures. Environmentally, 460 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 2: is anyone perfect? No? But has he done exponentially more 461 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: than any other president? Yes? Right? So for like issues 462 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 2: that you know, being on the right side of history 463 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,719 Speaker 2: when it comes to a woman's right to choose, I 464 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: still hate the fact that Biden and Democrats use Republican 465 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 2: language of pro life. Republicans aren't pro life. They believe 466 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 2: in the death penalty. They believe in starving American children, 467 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: they believe in starving children at the border, they believe 468 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 2: in starving children internationally. They're not pro life. So stop 469 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: using pro life. It's anti choice or choice? Do you 470 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 2: believe grown women and young women should have a choice 471 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 2: over their own autonomy? Right? Everything's economic issues. That's why 472 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: people go to the polls. I would argue abortion is 473 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 2: an economic issue. Mm hm. I would argue everything that 474 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 2: Joe Biden laid out is an economic issue. And unfortunately 475 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: people to judge camping your best sarrogate and you're only 476 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: Sarah Gate right, Like, we need to be able to 477 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,719 Speaker 2: talk about stop talking about this a morphous thing called 478 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 2: the economy. People don't know what the economy is. People 479 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: know how their pocketbooks feel. People know can I afford 480 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: summer camp or not? Can I afford this gas or not? 481 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: When I go to the grocery store fifty dollars just 482 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 2: to give me two grocery bags. Now it gets me 483 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: fairly won like talk about it in that context, not 484 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 2: in sort of abstract terms, because the economy sounds like 485 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: Wall Street people, not regular people. So the language needs 486 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,479 Speaker 2: to change. What makes me nervous, very nervous, is this 487 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 2: idea of international affairs. Now Oftentimes there's very little daylight 488 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 2: between Democrats and Republicans when it comes to international affairs. 489 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 2: But Americans don't really tend to care about international affairs 490 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 2: in the way that we should. I mean, we do 491 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 2: wild things across the world, always have since since our inception. 492 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 2: We are a bellicost nation. We can't stop being at war, 493 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: whether it's at home or abroad, usually abroad where people 494 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: are really paying attention. But that's where a lot of 495 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 2: our money goes. So when things are tight, especially in 496 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: a post COVID world. Folks are now actually sort of 497 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 2: allah the sixties with Vietnam, where's my money going? Because 498 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 2: it seems like my money is going towards things across 499 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: the world that I don't agree with. We didn't really 500 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: see this with Iraq and Iran in Afghanistan. Excuse me 501 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: with you know, the sort of we were growing up 502 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: during Desert Storm. We heard about it, but like, yeah, 503 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: it was like, oh, okay, well that's a war that's 504 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: you know, worth fighting. I guess that's where it was framed, 505 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: and Democrats were fine with it. Similarly, post nine to 506 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 2: eleven Iraq and Afghanistan, we know it's like the pretext 507 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: seems real false, real shaky, and really a lie, but 508 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 2: nobody was like, no, Democrats were holding George Bush. You know, 509 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: they disliked George Bush. Fine, but like Republicans weren't holding 510 00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 2: into the fire. They were like, this is the world, 511 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: make it moneys, where you going to do? And even 512 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 2: when you know continues under Obama, it's like, shame on you, Obama. 513 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 2: You didn't close going down, But no one punished Obama 514 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 2: the way. Yeah, it seems like Joe Biden has become 515 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: the face of international relations, and it seems like people 516 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: of color and young people and first and second and 517 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: third gens, a lot of folks are like, I'm tired 518 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: of having international relations conversations that aren't directly related to 519 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 2: who we are as a nation. And it seems to 520 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: be falling on the feet of Joe Biden, and he 521 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 2: does not seem to be doing a great job articulating it. Now, 522 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 2: we know that the Republican Party will be exponentially worse 523 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 2: abroad on a whole host of issues, whether it's Ukraine 524 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: and Russia, whether it's Israel and Palestine, whether it's the 525 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: entire continent of Africa, whether it's South America and their 526 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 2: natural resources, you name it. We know that they will 527 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: be whole worse. But the genocidal conversations about Joe Biden 528 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 2: don't seem to be going away. And so for us 529 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 2: to be six months in and this is you know, 530 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: we have a very short attention span, right, I mean, 531 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,239 Speaker 2: you saw all the Ukrainian flags. Now, I can bear 532 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: the fight in the Ukraine right now. But this doesn't 533 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 2: seem to be shaken off the way I think Democrats 534 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: thought that it would. And I think the wishful thinking 535 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 2: was well, by November, folks will just be like, let's 536 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: talk about the economy, let's talk about pocketbook issues. But 537 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 2: I don't think that this is actually going away, and 538 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 2: north do I think it should. But I do think 539 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: that Joe Biden is being held to a standard that 540 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 2: is trying to change the standard of how American presidents behave. 541 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: But his competition will never change that standard. He'll actually 542 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 2: make it worse. He'll make the entire country worse. So 543 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: here we are in this moment where we're trying to 544 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: figure out how do we hold several really important and 545 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,719 Speaker 2: difficult conversations that really get at who we are as 546 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 2: a nation and how we spend our money as a nation, 547 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 2: and how we not only treat the people in this 548 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: country but also how we treat people abroad. We've always 549 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: had this disconnect. It actually hasn't been that much of 550 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 2: a disconnect. We treat people broad terrible, and we treat 551 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: people in this country terribly, and I think people are 552 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: just like, yeah, and it doesn't have to be that way. 553 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 2: And so my concern, though, is there seems to be 554 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 2: like and I'm going to show you Joe Biden that 555 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 2: I'm not taking it right, which frightens me only because 556 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 2: we are yes, we have multiple candidates, but it does 557 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 2: boil down to a two party system at the end 558 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: of the day, is George Washington warned us about. And 559 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: the alternative to Joe Biden is a frightening, frightening pop 560 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 2: position to me, largely because the first term of Donald 561 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 2: Trump was a dry run to see what he could 562 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: get away with. And now he knows where the keys 563 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: to the castle are, he knows who not to let 564 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 2: me not have any legit Republicans around me, because they'll 565 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 2: just slow me down, let me actually like be the 566 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 2: boy king that I wanted to be, and these Republicans 567 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 2: are like, no, sir, actually there are limits to executive orders. 568 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 2: No sir, Actually, we can't just you know, deport people 569 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: because I don't like them. No sir, actually, we can't 570 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: just like start selling things off and making money for 571 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: you and your family. But that's what he's done to 572 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 2: every company he's ever had, and so now he's he's 573 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 2: sort of seen this is how I can do it 574 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 2: to the American people. I mean, he's already as his 575 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: own party paying for his devents, right, so like, yeah, 576 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 2: he's a grifter, we know it. So that's what worries me. 577 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 2: We will become the shell of our former selves. And like, listen, 578 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 2: we've been playing the shell game for a long time, 579 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 2: but we will really be hollowed out. It's like the mob, 580 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 2: you know, like when the mob takes over your business, 581 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, you might still have the lights on, 582 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: but like internally, you know, we saw the Sopranos, We've 583 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 2: seen good fellows, we've seen the Godfather. Like internally, your 584 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 2: business is no longer yours. And I don't as complicated 585 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 2: as this country is. And you know, we write about it, 586 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,719 Speaker 2: we talk about it, we rail against it, but like 587 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 2: we also fight for it because we're black people and 588 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: that's what we've always done for this country. And I 589 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 2: don't want to see it go down by the hands 590 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 2: of someone like Donald Trump. My grandparents and great grandparents 591 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 2: and the ancestors have fought and worked way too hard 592 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: in this nation to have it sold off for parts 593 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 2: by a man like him. A. 594 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: Well, we will leave it there today, my friend, and 595 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: pick it up god willing another day because the fight 596 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: is not over yet. My friend, Doctor Christina Greer, always 597 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: appreciate your analysis and your time. 598 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 2: I love spending time with you on Weird and Upward Loft. 599 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on Woke 600 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: a f as always Power to the people and to 601 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: all the people. Power, Get woke and stay woke as fuck.