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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always by our Bara.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars And that's what's

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Speaker 1: held up as the gold standard of draft. That is,

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Speaker 1: you freaking nailed it. If you had a draft like that,

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Speaker 1: you throw a parade almost.

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Speaker 2: For a draft like that. I hope we're throwing a

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Speaker 2: parade for a draft in a couple couple of months.

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Speaker 2: Well we're inside of two months now, right.

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Speaker 1: For the context, I was to throw it in three

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Speaker 1: years because of the draft they have in a couple

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a little weird. Maybe it's instant. I think

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Speaker 2: that that Saint's draft was pretty inso that's true, you

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Speaker 2: know that. Marshau Ladmore, Alvin Kamara, Evan Lazar, Alex Barth

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Speaker 2: with you Patriots Cash twenty two. Next couple hours here,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk draft, We're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: combine as we always do. We have to recap the

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Speaker 2: combine that ended on Sunday, and then we're also gonna

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Speaker 2: get into some free agency. I know, free agencies on

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Speaker 2: a lot of people's minds next week. Free agency Frankly,

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Speaker 2: for me, OX is not really at the top of mine,

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Speaker 2: even though it starts on Monday, because frankly, just like

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Speaker 2: how bad this free agency class is, especially on offense.

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Speaker 2: I look the defense, there's encouraging guys, and I think

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Speaker 2: you can really add in certain spots, and maybe they

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Speaker 2: go out and pay Christian Wilkins. Maybe they go out

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Speaker 2: and pay a safety to pair with Duggar and Pepper's

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Speaker 2: be encouraging. Maybe they win the bidding war for Calvin Ridley.

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Speaker 2: You know there are guys out there. I'm not trying

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Speaker 2: to sit here and say there's nobody, but it really

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Speaker 2: just goes to show. And this isn't even where I

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Speaker 2: was gonna start, because I was just gonna get right

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Speaker 2: into the combine. But I think what really goes to

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Speaker 2: show as we get into the combine in the draft

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Speaker 2: is the premiere talent. Let's just start with the receiver position.

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Speaker 2: But I also think this pertains to tackle as well.

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Speaker 2: The premier talent does not hit unrestricted free agency anymore,

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Speaker 2: and they're really the only way to acquire a T.

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Speaker 2: And there's not gonna be any There's not gonna be

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Speaker 2: a world anymore where a guy of that caliber becomes available. Similarly,

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Speaker 2: at tackle, there's not gonna be a world anymore where

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Speaker 2: a premier tackle is just free on the open market

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Speaker 2: to sign. Even last year, those guys that we talked

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Speaker 2: about a lot all had issues, like they were all

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Speaker 2: flawed players. I would add at quarterback, well, it's not

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Speaker 2: gonna happen. Yeah, that one I think has been going

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Speaker 2: on for a while. But tackle and receiver have become

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Speaker 2: I think receiver because of the value overall that they

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Speaker 2: bring to the offense, and I think tackle because of

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Speaker 2: the scarcity of good, proven tackle play. Teams are just

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Speaker 2: not giving those players away. So if you're the New

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Speaker 2: England Patriots and you are a tackle receiver needy team,

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Speaker 2: as you are, the good news is that that was

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Speaker 2: maybe one of the best weekends of wide receiver and

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Speaker 2: tackle workouts I've ever seen in my time, at least.

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Speaker 2: I've been watching the combine since I was a kid.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember a time where I saw that many

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Speaker 2: wide receivers run a sub four or five and just

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Speaker 2: running a sub for even guys that I have on

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Speaker 2: my downs list, I looked up a couple of guys

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Speaker 2: you know, didn't love that guy. Their RAS is still

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Speaker 1: You know, Now, athletes does not a football player make.

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Speaker 1: We should add that qualify, sure.

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Speaker 2: But when with this class, it's you're combining good film

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Speaker 2: with good apps for the most part. Yeah, and that's

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Speaker 2: the difference. So I agree. I think that, you know,

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Speaker 2: talk for you agency. Like I said, our phone lines

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Speaker 2: email in at web radio at Patriots dot com as always,

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Speaker 2: and Barth is going to uh, he's gonna look at

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Speaker 2: the YouTube comments a little bit and monitor those as well.

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Speaker 2: Can I add one more way? Sure? Let's say if

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Speaker 2: dream number and eighty three. No, no, no, I trust me.

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Speaker 2: He set it higher. If we get a million people.

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Speaker 1: On the stream, a million people, Evan will give out

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Speaker 1: his phone number. You call him live on the show

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Speaker 1: and ask questions.

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Speaker 2: Sure, give out more than a phone number. If a

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Speaker 2: million people are watching, I will give out my phone numbers.

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Speaker 1: We're at live right now. Oh we just got two more.

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Speaker 1: We just got two more. Get ready of it.

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Speaker 2: But I'm sweating over here.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching the YouTube comments. If you guys have questions there,

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Speaker 2: Least favorite thing about the combine, because you know we

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Speaker 2: both love the combine. It's our It's right in our wheelhouse.

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Speaker 2: Indye one year with us because we also have a

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Speaker 2: good time outside of the combine. But I would say that,

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Speaker 2: you know, the thing that bugs me the most about

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Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy was awesome at Texas. His film is awesome.

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Speaker 2: And now he's the fastest receiver in the history. It's

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Speaker 2: probably fastest player in the history of the NFL scouting

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Speaker 2: combine that's been going on for thirty years. So you're

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Speaker 2: And on the other side of it, it's is key

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Speaker 2: That being said, I'm not gonna put Keon Coleman on

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Speaker 2: my Dowminds list, but we will get into that. But

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Speaker 2: it out and start over, right, That's what the combine

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Speaker 1: So just to revisit Xavier Worth though, because he's obviously

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Speaker 1: an extreme example. Yeah, and I see a lot of

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Speaker 2: So not exactly a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of Saian Washington was okay, but not exactly a lot

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Speaker 1: people look at it, and I remember when Taekwon ran

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, a lot of those players, most of

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Speaker 1: on draft boards. I've been trying to get Evan to

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Speaker 1: watch Xavier Worthy since last fall. Yeah, since before he

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Speaker 2: Like, I got something about that that's totally unrelated, but related.

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Speaker 1: Okay, God, Xavier Worthy was a breakout star as a freshman.

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Speaker 1: He's been one of the top receivers in college football

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Speaker 1: for years now. He's been viewed as a potential first

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Speaker 1: Does that all mean he's automatically gonna be good?

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Speaker 1: I he weighs one hundred and seventy two pounds. That's

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Speaker 2: Wasn't he like one sixty five?

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Speaker 2: He was listened at like six I think six to one.

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Speaker 2: So there's legitimate concerns with him.

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Speaker 1: Again, it's not to say that he's great either, but

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Speaker 1: this is not your typical guy. Nobody knew about ran

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Speaker 2: This is not that.

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Speaker 1: This is a guy who was viewed as a blue

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Speaker 2: We shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: You shouldn't be saying, yeah, well, I like save if

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Speaker 1: you're worthy before but now he ran a super fast

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Speaker 2: Well, that's my thing is immediately after I said, oh

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Speaker 2: What is that like that? It's you're judging this on

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Speaker 2: yard dash. He was already, like you said, he was

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Speaker 2: already a top fifty player in this draft, and then

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Speaker 2: he ran this forty yard dash. Now do I do

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Speaker 2: I move him up to the top ten. No, I

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Speaker 2: don't move him up to the top ten. With that

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Speaker 2: high on their board. Get ready for the DeVonta Smith coms,

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Speaker 2: because that's what that's never gonna say. Like, I think

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Speaker 2: then the forty is elite, right, that there's a chance

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Speaker 2: that got you know, look at a guy, I don't

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Speaker 1: strong take on one of those guys.

433
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 2: That that's that was the general consensus board, I would

434
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,160
Speaker 2: say coming out of Indy. But I think the biggest

435
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 2: question now if you're the Patriots is let's say the

436
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 2: Patriots are Jaden Daniels team. Let's say that they like

437
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels, that's their guy. Is if the commanders take

438
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels at two, do you not like Drake made

439
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 2: to the point where you're trading out of the pick

440
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 2: or are you okay with either one of those guys?

441
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 1: Right? If you have so, there was a report that

442
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 1: the Patriots knew great scale is from like five point

443
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 1: oh to nine point zero, right, yeah, and I don't

444
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 1: know exactly where.

445
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 2: Let's just take that at face out.

446
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, if you like Jane Daniels better, but

447
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 1: you have Jane Daniels as an eight point five and

448
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 1: you have Drake May as an eight point four, right right,

449
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,199
Speaker 1: It's all right, Well, we would have liked Jalen, but

450
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 1: like we we believe Drake May.

451
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,640
Speaker 2: We believe both these guys can win us a Super

452
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 2: Bowl basis. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So that that was That

453
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 2: was what I gathered. I think that the the most

454
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 2: important thing though, that I can can't hammer home enough,

455
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 2: is that the wild swings of stock that you hear

456
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,959
Speaker 2: from these prospects, and I think J. J. McCarthy is

457
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 2: probably the best example of it. I think Drake May

458
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 2: has had a little bit of this going on where

459
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 2: his stock is.

460
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 1: Well, they all have because you heard, we heard. I

461
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: think these reports came out like in the same day

462
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 1: or within a day or two of each other. Yeah,

463
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: first it was Jane Daniels might actually be number one,

464
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: it might not be Caleb Williams. Yeah, and then you heard,

465
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: then you heard J J. McCarthy might go ahead of

466
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 1: jayde and Daniels.

467
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 2: So now.

468
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: J J. McCarthy's beating out Jaydon Daniels, Who's beaten out

469
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams.

470
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 2: So this is what I'm talking about, right, So it

471
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,719
Speaker 2: depends on who you talk to, right, and and how

472
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 2: many people you talk to, and and what you know.

473
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 2: One guy might say something crazy, the other guy might

474
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: say something normal like it. Just also, and I don't

475
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 2: mean to pick on them.

476
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: I'd probably do the same thing if I was in

477
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: their shoes. Do you think these sources, you know, front

478
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: office people whoever ever, just say crazy things to see

479
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: how we'll absolutely, yeah, just just just toy with us.

480
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 2: You know, make the puppets dance, and you have to

481
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 2: remember and not to I don't want to play too

482
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 2: much inside baseball with this, but not to remember that

483
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 2: all these conversations happened at a time of night that

484
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: probably none of us should be out ash and it

485
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: just none of it is really like about you know,

486
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: it's it's a little bit dicey of whether or not

487
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 2: you should really be reporting anything at that time of night,

488
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 2: right like that, that's the bottom line. But I think

489
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: that when you look at this quarterback class, JJ McCarthy

490
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 2: is probably going to settle somewhere and the people in

491
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,719
Speaker 2: the league are gonna be like, yeah, we've we've had

492
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy there for six months, like you guys are

493
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 2: welcome to the party. You know Will Levis last year,

494
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: right you know, Oh, he could be a top ten pick.

495
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 2: I think mel Kiper called him a top ten lock

496
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: at one point. He goes top in the second round.

497
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: So the league always viewed will Levis as a late

498
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 2: first early second round pick. I guarantee it. They did

499
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: not all of a sudden completely sour on will Levis.

500
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 2: That's just not how it works. Let's get into the

501
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: three up, three down from the combine. Should we start

502
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 2: with the positives? Let's start with the positives. Yeah, okay,

503
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with my number one. Both Texas wide receivers.

504
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: I think, oh, I did the same thing, and I

505
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: thought you're gonna get mad at me for that.

506
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: Both Texas wide receivers. But I would actually specifically say

507
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 2: Adi Mitchell. I think ad Mitchell overall had a better combine. Yeah,

508
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 2: you because ad Mitchell now has the body type that's,

509
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit thicker, a little bit more weight,

510
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: a little bit taller than Xavier Worthy, the ideal He

511
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: has the ideal frame, and he has the ideal athletic profile.

512
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: Him running a four to three five took me by surprise.

513
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 2: I thought that he was like maybe a mid four

514
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 2: fours type of guy. At the fastest. He has another

515
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: gear I didn't know he had, and that it does

516
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: make you question a little bit because he doesn't necessarily

517
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: have that type of long speed that you see on film, Like,

518
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: you know, he doesn't necessarily play to a four three

519
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: five all the time. But I wonder how much of

520
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: that was pacing routes and you know, opportunity to open

521
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 2: it up and really run by people and things like that. Not.

522
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: You know, one of the thing about receivers, you don't

523
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: want to go one hundred miles an hour all the time, right,

524
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: Like you don't want to you want to be that

525
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 2: that's taekwon thoron. He only has one gear, right, and

526
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: it's it's great that your gear is that fast, but

527
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: it doesn't That's not how you create separation. He creates

528
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: separation by pacing it. How you win track me, yeah,

529
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: changing your your route pacing. So Adie Mitchell checked every

530
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: single box four three, five, what two, five to ten

531
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: something like that, six, one, six, two. I would be

532
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: absolutely shocked at this point if Ady Mitchell makes it

533
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: out of the top twenty five. I think he's a

534
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 2: top twenty twenty five pick all day, all day, and

535
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: uh he was excellent and him and Brian Thomas Junior

536
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: are both top twenty five picks. Now, I think in

537
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: this draft. Yeah, I mean Brian Thomas was also.

538
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean they're kind of had the same combine, similar guy,

539
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: similar makeups.

540
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: I wonder if Brian Thomas sneaks his way in the

541
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 2: top fifteen.

542
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: It's possible, hey, because he's passed key on Coleman now,

543
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: which was kind of with that.

544
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, that are I think they both passed key on Coleman.

545
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I know the LSU the Texas guys

546
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: were awesome. Again, Xavier Worthy, don't freak out because of

547
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: the forty and there are people who are freaking out

548
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: because of the forty. This isn't some guy, I'll say

549
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: it again, not some guy that came out of nowhere.

550
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: Like we knew who he was. We knew he looked

551
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: like a first round pick. He's gonna go to the Chiefs.

552
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna be amazing, Like you get that right, that's

553
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: gonna happen. And then yeah, Mitchell, I would we talked

554
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: we did a couple weeks ago, right, what we were

555
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: talking about, would you rather have the big body X

556
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: jump ball receiver or like the quick, shifty slot guy.

557
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: Would you rather have a J Brown or Devonte Smith?

558
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: And we differ on that one. But how about like

559
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: a six three guy who can go up and get it.

560
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: Who else it runs a four to three like a

561
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf kind of guy. I look at Brian Thomas

562
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: and I look at ad Mitchell. They have me itching

563
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: a trade up late in the first round because one

564
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 1: of them is gonna fall. One of them's there's just

565
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: as much as we hype this wide receiver class up

566
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: and look I had I forgot it was seven or

567
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: eight wide receivers in the first round of my mock.

568
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: I did on Monday, what it's receivers and tackles when

569
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: was seven to one was eight? It was half the

570
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: first round.

571
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 2: With those two positions.

572
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: But there's also not as much as I made that work.

573
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: There might have been some stretches in there in terms

574
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: of picks. How many teams need a wide receiver. They're

575
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: going to invest a first round pick and a wide receiver.

576
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: I just wonder if some of it not to cut

577
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: you off, but I just wonder if some of these

578
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: receivers are so good that even if it's not like

579
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: a pressing And that's basically what my argument was.

580
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also think some teams are gonna look

581
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: at it and say, there's so many good receivers on

582
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: the board.

583
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can wait. So one of those guys is

584
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: gonna fall.

585
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: And you know, if eighty Mitcheller Bryant Thomas is still

586
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: there at like twenty five twenty six, they've got me

587
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: itching to move back up. Because that's the kind of

588
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: guy I would That's the kind of guy you start

589
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: building offense around. That's kind of got that commands double coverage.

590
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: That's the kind of guy that you're talking about on

591
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. That's kind of I'd love to see them get.

592
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 2: It's funny because there's this NFL Network special going on

593
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: about Calvin Ridley. Yeah, and Michael Pittman Junior just housed

594
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: a screen from like twenty five yards out. And when

595
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: I when I did aighty Mitchell, originally my comp was

596
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: was Michael Pittman Junior. Yeah, And I think Michael Pittman

597
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: Junior ran maybe high four to four is low four fives,

598
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: Like he's not a burner. And I didn't necessarily see

599
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: that with Mitchell on the film. Like I said earlier,

600
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: does that make me fo Yeah? Does that make me

601
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: pause and say, like is he really a four to

602
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: three guy? Like a little bit, But at the same time,

603
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: I think that he's Michael Pittman junior with maybe a

604
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: little bit more after burns, which is that's that's scary

605
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 2: if he lives up to that. So, uh, he's a

606
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: really good play and I.

607
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: Think Thomas is just a better version of that because

608
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: he's bigger. Well, Thomas is more in my mind.

609
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: Like true deep threat, like like vertical slot fades that

610
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: type of thing, right.

611
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: But I think he has it in him and LSU's

612
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: offense just wasn't built like this. The third they're go

613
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: ball and bubble screen. That's the yellows right where he's

614
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: going to build so much off of that that you're

615
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: gonna be able to hit him on slants yea and

616
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: teams giving him the push it and he has it

617
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: in him to seriously create after the catch offf of

618
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: those concepts.

619
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: So we talk a lot about Marvin Harrison Junior in

620
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: this category of a six foot three slot receiver. Yeah,

621
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: I think Adie Mitchell is not quite on that level,

622
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: of course, but his ability to sink and cut is similar.

623
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: I play with the X though I would too, but

624
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: I think that he's somebody that truly runs around I

625
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: still like Michael Pittman Jr. Is gonna be a little

626
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: bit more, a little bit more noss in the tank.

627
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: You know, I can throw. I'll throw the of I

628
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: said DeVante Parker, but better the other week. That's well

629
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: out of the window. They just he has He's very shifty. Yeah,

630
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: and he can sink and cut and he can release

631
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: set the line of scripts again. Can the Patriots just

632
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: with the third overall pick draft the Texas offense? Yeah,

633
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: I just be done. I'm very very high on Aden.

634
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: We're taking Texas. I think that at this point, with.

635
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: The third overall pick, the New England Patriots select the

636
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: Texas Longhorns offense.

637
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: I think he's easily my wide receiver five in this

638
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: Mitchell Yeah yeah, yeah, really good player. All right, who

639
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: do you who else? You have him? Notice? So I had,

640
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: you know, I got to do it. Michael Pennis.

641
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on my list, clear clear. He cleared the

642
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: medical test and that was big. Do we just have

643
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: the same list, No, I definitely have a couple different

644
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: than you. I think one of the other ones is

645
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: the same though.

646
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, came out cleared the medical testing through the ball.

647
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: Not a good throwing day. For really any of the quarterbacks.

648
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 1: We'll get to that, but and I wouldn't even say

649
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: Penis went above and beyond, but he looked better than

650
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: just betterbody else who's out there with through the ball. Well,

651
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: is healthy, checked every box needed to check. I still

652
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: think he's a first round pick, and I think I'm

653
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: in the minority on and I still have him as

654
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: QB four. I still have him over McCarthy. I know

655
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: him in the minority on that. I took McCarthy over

656
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: him in the mock draft because I want to be

657
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: right with the mockcraft more than anything else. But I

658
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: if he's healthy, and he's healthy doesn't mean you throw

659
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: the injury concern out completely. Those are still things that

660
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: happened and you're cautious of. But his knees aren't necessarily

661
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: ticking time bombs. It's not something you're worried about right away.

662
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: I think that's all enough that I'm gonna be annoyed

663
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: if he doesn't go in the first round. And he's

664
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Speaker 1: not gonna go in the first round, and I'm gonna.

665
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: Be annoyed, but I'm gonna be annoyed when he doesn't.

666
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: So why are you setting yourself up to be annoyed,

667
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: just just because that's that's that's the draft process, that's

668
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: what we do.

669
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: Here's the Do you remember how like twitchy I was

670
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: about Will Levis last year?

671
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how much that got under my skin. I

672
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: remember what when I was watching him in real time

673
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: texting you about it, and you wanted to jump through

674
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: the phone because I said like a couple of good

675
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: things about him, and you were ready to kill me.

676
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: He's just it was never gonna and I was right

677
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: the way he's ready to kill me.

678
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I was right.

679
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: I was telling you there's no way, there's no way

680
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: this guy, Mary, he's going second overall. By the time

681
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: we got to the end of the process, I said

682
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: there's no way, and I was right. And it's here's

683
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: what annoys me about it. It's it's not that, oh,

684
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm right, you're wrong. It's that it was never gonna happen,

685
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: and we did dedicate like serious time talking about it

686
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: when there were other more interesting things we could have

687
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: been talking about.

688
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: That's what bugs me about Will Levis. That's what bugging

689
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: me about JJ McCarthy, Yeah, fair enough.

690
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: So Michael penixs one bugs me just because a good

691
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: player and a good guy's getting shrafted.

692
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: That's what bugs me about that. So, Michael Penix, you

693
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: mentioned all the medical stuff cleared, and that's great. I

694
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: thought he threw the best ball in the in the

695
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: drills as well.

696
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: I thought he threw the best ball of guys that

697
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: are gonna get drafted. Yeah, she thought one of the

698
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: Devin Learer threw the ball pretty much.

699
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: We got an email about him.

700
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: Okay, I still wouldn't draft him, but we'll get to

701
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: Devin Leary. I have a I do have a definitely retake.

702
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: But Michael Pennix, I thought through the ball the best.

703
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: I think one of the things that you see with

704
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: Penix that I've always liked about his game is his ability,

705
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: you know, to I call it arm talents, and people

706
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: think arm talent's arm strength. I think arm talent is

707
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: the ability to have multiple pitches. Like when you need

708
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: some air under it, you can put some air under it.

709
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: When you can throw it, need to throw it through

710
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: a key hole, you can throw it through a key hole.

711
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: That's how I look at Michael Pennix. You hear some

712
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: of the rumblings afterwards after the workouts that the receivers

713
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: that were there just loved catching his throws, like very

714
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: catchable ball throw. You know those pillowy Brady style, you know,

715
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: the little pillowy throws.

716
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: You know what, I have a proposal. We may need

717
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,959
Speaker 1: to make something. I'm actually gonna propose to you analytics.

718
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: Are you ready for this pillowy throws?

719
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: No?

720
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: In talk talking about Armstrongs because soft We had a

721
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: whole conversation a couple months ago where we disagreed on

722
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: what arm talent was and all of that. Yeah, to me,

723
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: arm talent is the throws that make you what a ball?

724
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: What a ball?

725
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: Right?

726
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: That's what PFF calls btt's. That's those are big time throws.

727
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: But don't big time throws have to be down the field? Yep?

728
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: So I'm talking about let's say it's a five yard slat,

729
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: but you zip it right between two defenders.

730
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what is that a big time throw? Uh?

731
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: Not very plably, not from five yards? But maybe, like if.

732
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: You're here, I want to do next year, I'm gonna

733
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: record and I watch a quarterback for full game how

734
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: many times I say what a ball? And we're gonna

735
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: have what a balls?

736
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: Per game? And that is gonna translate pff doest No,

737
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: they but that's just deep throws. That's all that happened. No,

738
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: it's not just it's not just deep throws. It's mostly

739
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: deep throws, isn't it. Yeah, but it's like they have

740
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: a scale of like your jaw dropped like that. And

741
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: and that's part of the reason why I think that

742
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 2: both of us too. And I don't know why, but

743
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: that that to me is arm talent.

744
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: Arm talent to me is the literally the talent in

745
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: your arm. How many throws do you make that other

746
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: guys can't make?

747
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I think you know. To me, and that

748
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: can be downield. We're saying some some we're kind of

749
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: saying the same thing but saying it a little bit differently.

750
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: A shocker like that. We never do that. I think

751
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: the biggest thing for me is just pix led and

752
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: big time throws like by a lot. Yeah, oh yeah,

753
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: Penix was one and Drake May was two.

754
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean it's a met there's at forty three,

755
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: May at thirty five, then Garrett Green at thirty one.

756
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: I like Carro Green. There's a draft. But there's a

757
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: reason why I my two preferred quarterbacks right now for

758
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: the Patriots, or they're drafting Drake May earlier Pennox in

759
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: the second round, because both of them have those types

760
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: of moments on film that you say, that's a throw,

761
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: like that's a franchise quarterback.

762
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: For the record, because this this take has gotten lost

763
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: in translation. That's what I mean when I say Michael

764
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: Penoxy is the best arm talent in this draft.

765
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean he's the best quarterback.

766
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: But when I there are more wow throws for Michael

767
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: penn even especially Caleb.

768
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: Wit definitely last year. I mean Caleb two years ago

769
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: might have been better. So I'm counting throws.

770
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: I'm not counting runs around Dipsey do Like that's not

771
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: arm talent, right, I'm talking about how like just.

772
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: The thumb the pocket, right yeah boom. I think both

773
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: those guys consistently win from the pocket more than anybody else.

774
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: Jane and Daniels is really good at it too, But

775
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: Jane Daniels did a lot of his production came on

776
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: like a couple of different cars.

777
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: So Jade and Daniels had the highest big time throw

778
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: percentage of any of the guys in the draft.

779
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's great too. I'm Jalen Milroe head. Wow. Okay,

780
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 2: So I thought Michael Pennix did everything he could possibly

781
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: have done, and I thought he did the same thing

782
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl. Like it wasn't the Senior Bowl.

783
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: He wasn't like lights out during practice. But I thought

784
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: that there's really not much more he can do. He

785
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: was the Heisman runner up, he was the runner up

786
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: for the National Championship. He had a fantastic season at Washington.

787
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: I still think he profiles as a high second round pick.

788
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: I know that's gonna kill you, right, So why if

789
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 2: he did everything he can do? Why? I think because

790
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: of the durability concerns, NFL teams are gonna look at him.

791
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: And it's just my opinion, but NFL teams are gonna

792
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: look at him and they're gonna say, he's a first

793
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: round talent that had four major injuries in college, So

794
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: we're gonna take him at the top of the second round.

795
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: And there was a very very good chance that in

796
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: three years whoever took JJ McCarthy at eight. Overall, we're

797
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: gonna be like, what morons you all pass on Michael Pennix,

798
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: which is what we told you all along there's a

799
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: good chance that that's gonna happen. But the problem is

800
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: for teams, I feel like, is that there's so much

801
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: risk involved in taking an injury prone player. It's why,

802
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, so how many guys like we can talk

803
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: about over the years fall out of the first round

804
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 2: and go early second instead, it's Rob Gronkowski dominic Keys

805
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: win the first it's you know, Gronk went in the

806
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: top of the second round to the Patriots because he

807
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: has a right right. That's That's all I'm saying with Pennix.

808
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: So I I agree that Penix had a good week,

809
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: but who else do you have? I had?

810
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: So you're gonna hate this that I'm doing it this way.

811
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: But the tight ends just full stop?

812
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: You had them up? Yeah, did you not?

813
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: I thought for what everybody's called tight endow.

814
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: Yes, they did have a good showing, in a better

815
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: showing than I thought, especially the big ten tight ends.

816
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: I just can't get up for this tight end class.

817
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: I just can't, I think. So let me let me

818
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: put it this way.

819
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying suddenly you're gonna draft a bunch of

820
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: these guys sixty eighth overall, but a much more encouraged about.

821
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: I think there's more there in terms of project players

822
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: to work with than initially thought, Like THEO Johnson wasn't

823
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: doing it for me until I kind of saw the

824
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: testing Ruskin athlete was Tip Ryman, Right.

825
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: Tip Riman, like at two hundred and seventy pounds, right,

826
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: it's absurd.

827
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: Right, So that was the guy I just wrote off

828
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: as like a blocking tight end udfa Lee Smith. Okay,

829
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: now there's a little more athleticism there. I thought Cage

830
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: Stover did himself a ton of favors. I thought he

831
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: was great.

832
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I'm not like a podium guy. I'm

833
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: not gonna rank these guys based off of how they

834
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: were with media at the podium. But Kate Stover is

835
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: one of those guys that just you would have run

836
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: through brick wall listening to that guy. Let's we want

837
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: from a Titan? Yeah, he was all serious all the time.

838
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: Really impressive. I agree with you. The tight ends did

839
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: a lot better than I expected. I think that the

840
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: problem with college versus the pros is so many of

841
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: these guys in college just don't get used like they're

842
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: gonna get used in the pros like I think THEO

843
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: Johnson from Penn State. It's a perfect example. According to

844
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: relative Athletics Score, he was the most athletic person at

845
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: the Combine this year. I mean, it makes sense. And

846
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 2: the problem is is that Penn State just didn't really

847
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: use him in the passing game all that much, and

848
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: he just doesn't have a ton of production. And so

849
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: you look at all these things and you say in

850
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: the pros though, we're gonna take them and we're gonna

851
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: make them a seam runner, and we're gonna have them

852
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: do these different things, and it's gonna tap into that potential.

853
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: I think this class. Last year's class had a lot

854
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 2: of guys that also had film. You know, Sam Laporta,

855
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 2: he had a film. Michael Mayer had film. These guys

856
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: don't have film, but they have some athletic trades. I

857
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: guess would I.

858
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: So I don't know, maybe I'm doing a recency bias thing.

859
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: So this morning, right, I usually I just put something

860
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: on noise in the backgroundhile I'm writing, And I had

861
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: on top five college football mixtapes of the last twenty years,

862
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: and so why not because it was on my YouTube recommended.

863
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: So I'm watching like Tamon Austin d' Anthony Thomas, and

864
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm thinking, like, what would I have if I.

865
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: Was covering the draft back is no divine?

866
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: It was Reggie Bush to Anthony Thomas, Tevon Austin, who's

867
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: the best one, Tyron Matthew, who I think is second

868
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: best in terms of mixtape in Johnny Manziel.

869
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: But the point being I was watching, I was kind

870
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: of curious.

871
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: I was like, these guys are like super unique players,

872
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: and like, how would I have evaluated them knowing what

873
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: I know now because obviously neither is specifically Austin and Thomas,

874
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: neither one of them panned out in the NFL. And

875
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the plays and then I went back

876
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: and I watched some more because I was curious.

877
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: I went down this rabbit hole and.

878
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: I was like, yet, like, why didn't they work in

879
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: some of its size you look at It's also like

880
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: the NFL wasn't caught up to that yet. I'm never

881
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: afraid to take a player because of the way they're

882
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: used in college and being like, oh, there is an

883
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: equivalent in the NFL, because there's going to be an

884
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: equivalent in the NFL within three years.

885
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: That's just the way it goes.

886
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: Now, the NFL just takes everything from college. So when

887
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: I hear, oh, you know, it worked, and it's one

888
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: thing to be like level of talent, but in terms

889
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: of usage, I look at it and I'm like, yeah,

890
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: but the more this becomes like college offenses that this

891
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: isn't so much a take about like, oh, draft Theo

892
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: Johnson the third round, because it's just you just made

893
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: me think of it. It's more just a general thought

894
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: that like, you can't necessarily be as afraid of oh, well,

895
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: this guy was used a certain way in college that

896
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: won't translate to the NFL because well, the odds are

897
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: it's going to translate to the NFL sooner rather than later.

898
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the the big thing, you know, the biggest

899
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: poster child for this is George Kittle. George Kittle at Iowa.

900
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: What wasn't a big time player at Iowa. It wasn't

901
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: like he was putting up eight hundred yards or something

902
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: like that at Iowa. And then obviously comes to the president.

903
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: I'll tip, yeah, one of the best of the decade.

904
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: That's the post child for it. There's a lot of

905
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: other example.

906
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: Well, it's more the other way like Percy Harvin, right, yeah,

907
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: put Percy Harvin and put him in the draft. Now yeah,

908
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: oh yeah, right, he's gonna tear it. But nobody knew

909
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: yet because that it didn't translate yet until and I

910
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: think there was a hesitation at the time to do

911
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: some of these were considered gimmicky college things, and.

912
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: Now everybody's trying to do them.

913
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, So that was completely You just made

914
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: me think of something that was mostly unrelated.

915
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: Do you have any more ups? Oh? Yeah, I got

916
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: two more. Okay, I have one, okay, one sleeper up.

917
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: I went deep. Oh there's another guy that we're gonna

918
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: overlap on. I guess not. Is it Frank Crump? No,

919
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: my close? Yes?

920
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: Who is the tackle from UCF Thailand? Thailand Grable Thiland Grable.

921
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: So the second, I'll be honest, I was not familiar

922
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: with him. I was not familiar with your game.

923
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. No.

924
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: The second I saw him test I ran. I went

925
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: to his page and I'm like, oh, this is the guy.

926
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: All of the measurables, check all of the Elliot Wolf boxes.

927
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: This is the guy on day three?

928
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 2: Why am I not familiar with him? So? Uh? Thailand

929
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: Grabel from UCF nine point eighty three relative athletics score

930
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: out of ten excellent athlete, tested really well, good size.

931
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: I also talked to some of us. I talked to Galco,

932
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: talked to some people down that were down at the

933
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 2: Shrine Bowl. One of the guys that they circled out

934
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: of the guys that uh or tackles down there at

935
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: the East West Shrine. Unfortunately, we didn't go this year,

936
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: so I really didn't wasn't familiar with a lot of

937
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: the guys that performed well there. So Tyland Grabil has

938
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: had a great, great pre draft process. Killed it at

939
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: the Shrine Bowl, killed it at the Combine. Uh he

940
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 2: is going to creep up into like the early Day

941
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: three conversation. And one of my favorite things that did

942
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: it in my mock draft that I posted this week,

943
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: One of my favorite things is to double dip at

944
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: receiver and tackle receiver, tackle receiver, tackle receiver. Just take

945
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: all of them, take all of them and run. And

946
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: I think that Thailand Grabel is probably not a Day

947
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: one starting tackle. And there's another guy that I wrote

948
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: down that I think would be more pro ready, maybe not.

949
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: It's not a small school guy. Uh And I think

950
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: that you know, Thailand, grabil is your developmental toolsy athlete tackle.

951
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: So if you take somebody at the top that's a

952
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: little bit more seasoned and a little bit more ready

953
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: for the pros, this is a great flyer on in

954
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: like the fourth or fifth round, on a guy that

955
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: might be able to hit a huge ceiling.

956
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he really does. Again, and I think not just

957
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: that he's a good player. He checks the boxes they

958
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: want checked at that position.

959
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: So lank athleticism. All yeah, exactly.

960
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: So he's definitely a name Patriots fan should know one hundred.

961
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 2: All right, So my other tackle is this is not

962
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to tell you I discovered Roger Rosengarden,

963
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 2: but Roger roseen Garden didn't really well. I was close

964
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: to saying we're gonna overlap. Obviously in the forty he

965
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: had the fastest forty. It's offensive line. I'm not really

966
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 2: worried about the forty. But I talked to him for

967
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: a little bit and I really knowledgeable, like really knowledgeable

968
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 2: kid understands protections, understands the quarterback position really well. I

969
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: thought that he really impressed me just with the overall presentation.

970
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 2: Just a well rounded going to be a I think

971
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: maybe not the ceiling. I don't know if he's gonna

972
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: be an All Pro tackle or anything like that, but

973
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be a really rock solid, swing

974
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: slash starting right tackle right on that line that you

975
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: can get early day three. And it came in a

976
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: little bit small. You know, that's gonna be a concern

977
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: for him. Thirty three and a half inch arms is it,

978
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: you know, the not the biggest of guys, but he

979
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: definitely has that. I just know how to play offensive line,

980
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: and that's a position that you always hear. It's not

981
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: a natural position. It's not a natural technique. It's not

982
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: something that just comes instinctually to a lot of people

983
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 2: unless you're Joealt. So Roger Rosengarten, I think is gonna

984
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: be a really rock solid NFL player, and I think

985
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: some team is gonna take him and just be really

986
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: happy with his floor as a prospect. So I like

987
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: Timmy also mentioned that I asked him, you know, about

988
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: playing right tackle versus left or whatever, and he said

989
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: that he played right tackle because they wanted him on

990
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: Penix's blindside. He's still a blindside blocker.

991
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: The Washington tackles are interesting in that sense, and I

992
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: had Fatanu is one of my ups because he was

993
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: he was great, and he checked the box for arm length,

994
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: which was the big thing for him, when he checked

995
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: it by a lot, right, he's thirty four and something. Yeah, yeah,

996
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: so he he plenty cleared it. And then I had

997
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: one more up and we'll see how you feel about

998
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: this one. Isaac Grenda. Oh the Louisville back, Louisvill running,

999
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry running whatever. He ran like a four to

1000
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: three something at two twenty. You're gonna see my downs

1001
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: and a second, Oh, you didn't put Gorenda on the down?

1002
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: Why would I put him on the not him? But oh, anyways,

1003
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 2: I'll tell you in a second. All right. So yeah,

1004
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: I was. I was really impressed with I mean all

1005
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: the tackles. Yeah, but fought now, Oh my goodness, is

1006
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: it fought now or is it Fatana? I don't know.

1007
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: I did find out that it's Olu fashion now, Oh

1008
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: it is okay, yeah, he says fashion now. All right,

1009
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: so we've been apologies to him butchering that. Yes, this

1010
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: is one another like inside baseball thing. Yeah, but it's

1011
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: to go to the combine and have these guys like

1012
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: tell you how you say their names? Yeah, you know,

1013
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 2: like uh, Kingsley, Sue, Mitia, Sue Matia Okay, so yeah

1014
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: that one right, Matia, yes, correct? Yeah, okay, yeah. Now

1015
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 2: when I think I had, you know, obviously a tough

1016
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: name to.

1017
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: Pronounce, fashion fash New fosh New, Yes, so you don't

1018
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: say the second a fash fash New.

1019
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. But he goes by Olu for his first name, right, yes,

1020
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: because his first name. I was stumbling, so somebody asked him,

1021
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 2: and somebody asked him to say his whole name, yeah,

1022
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: and he just said he just laughs and he just goes,

1023
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: just call me, Okay, so I'll Olu fash fash or

1024
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: fash New. Is the second a in there?

1025
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: Or no?

1026
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 2: You've said it both ways now, I don't know. I'm

1027
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: just telling you how it sounds, man, I'm just telling

1028
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: you how it sounds. All right. We'll find out when

1029
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: they draft him. Uh anyways, yeah, fought, are we going

1030
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: with fot New fot Now? I've been calling them fatanu

1031
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: fatanu Yeah? Okay, yeah, I mean, my goodness, my goodness,

1032
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: what a workout that was. He was phenomenal. Where how

1033
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: high he goes? I I don't know.

1034
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: So that's another guy that like if he falls like

1035
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven, do you start considering

1036
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: trading up?

1037
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? He was great anymore we go to the dance.

1038
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: You got any thoughts on Grenda? Uh not yet. I

1039
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: haven't haven't watched him. Oh I got one more up.

1040
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: Oh I can't believe I almost forgot this. Oh. Bub means,

1041
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: oh my god. Bub means from Pittsburgh. You are obsessed.

1042
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: You're obsessed. Just watch him obsession. We'll just watch him.

1043
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: I've texted Evan every day since the Combine once a day,

1044
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: just Bubb means, and we keep doing it until you

1045
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: watch him, because he said you were't gonna watch him.

1046
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: Is this a combination? Is it that you really are

1047
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: impressed with how he plays in the in the in

1048
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 2: the Combine or is it simply just because Taekwon Underwood

1049
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: coached him?

1050
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: Like?

1051
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: Which one? Is it? Well?

1052
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance they draft him because

1053
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: of Taiwan under Well, that's a well no. Also, so

1054
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: I did this last week. I averaged out write all

1055
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: the numbers for the wide receiver Wolf took in Green

1056
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: Bay and he's he's like, it's it's him it's him.

1057
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: He's between six and sixty three. He's six to one.

1058
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: If the forty matches up, it all matches up. And

1059
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: then came out he did great Gauntlet drill, which is

1060
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 1: the one drill I actually put like significant stock into.

1061
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna get lost in translation because that Pittsburgh.

1062
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: If you thought the Patriots.

1063
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: Offense was tough to watch last year, oh god, Pittsburgh

1064
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: was another animal, and not a good way.

1065
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: That was a rough offense.

1066
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: And it was because basically their quarterback was just too

1067
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: hurt to play and they moved him to tight end

1068
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: and then they didn't have any other quarterbacks really on

1069
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: the roster that were like legitimate Division one quarterbacks, and

1070
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: it all fell apart from there. If you go back,

1071
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: so bub means transferred from Louisiana.

1072
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 2: Attack to Pittsburgh.

1073
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: If you go back and watch him at Louisian Attack,

1074
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: the flashes it pit that you're worried about, Oh, these

1075
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: are just flashes show up with much more regularity on

1076
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: his Louisiana Tack film. And here's your bud means minute,

1077
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: he's just he's if I'm gonna keep texting until you

1078
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: watch and watch him just mix in one or two

1079
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: Louisiana tack games like we did this with no Remember

1080
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: we did this with Jordan Addison last year. We watch

1081
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: and you were all confused, or you watched met USC

1082
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: you're all confused that go watch mcpitt. The fact that

1083
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: Taekwan coached him is good and he's just a well

1084
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: they need guys that can do a little bit of

1085
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: everything because there they don't have enough. They have enough

1086
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: dead weight they're gonna have to carry at the receiver

1087
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: position that they're not gonna be able to carry. Guys

1088
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: that specialize. So Bud means does everything a little bit well.

1089
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: I think he's best at the vertical Skinny post is

1090
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: a great route of his. That's obviously a big route.

1091
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: And you know what they're gonna do with Van Pel

1092
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: He's he's a double dip guy. I wouldn't take him

1093
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 1: as the only receiver, but he's a double dip.

1094
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: He does scream Packers receiver. Yeah, he's what I'm saying,

1095
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: Like you know if he him and like it was

1096
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: a Wicks Datavians like those type. It's just these random

1097
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: packers receivers that just obviously like Jayden read a different thing.

1098
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: He was drafted the top one hundred. But like these

1099
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 2: different packers, receivers that just come out of nowhere, like

1100
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: every three years, and you're just like who and you're like, oh, yeah,

1101
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 2: that guy all right? Right?

1102
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: No, no, no, actually that's a perfect comp Wick six

1103
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: one two oh five. Bub means six two two ten, Like,

1104
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: just just watch bub means, just watch Bub means it's

1105
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: an obsession.

1106
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: Like, well, no, it's an obsession.

1107
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: Once you told me you weren't gonna watch him, then

1108
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: it it becomes a miss I say those things just

1109
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: then it becomes a mission just to do that to you.

1110
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: He said, No, okay, let me for this. This is

1111
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: not Bryce Ford Wheaton from last year. It's a little

1112
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: different than Bryce Ford Wheaton. Joe, you're Bryce Ford we

1113
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: and Wheaton this year Johnny Wilson, No, I'm not.

1114
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: No. My Riceford Wheaton this year is Joe Milton. No,

1115
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: it's no.

1116
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: But that's different because I wanted the Patriots to draft Brice.

1117
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: I don't know who my Bryce Ford Wheaton is this year.

1118
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: Bryce Ford Wheaton is the perfect example of why you

1119
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 2: can't just go off the combine. Well, we don't know

1120
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: whether or not he's good. He towards ACL you didn't

1121
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: play Oh my god, no he's not gonna come on,

1122
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: come on, just just no taekwon. Anyways, let's go to

1123
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: the downs. And I know the kid from Louisville had

1124
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: a good combine, he ran well and all that, but

1125
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 2: I just had all the running backs, all the running

1126
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 2: backs outside of Grendo, it was pretty meh. So it

1127
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: was pretty meh. But I'm not even doing this as

1128
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: like a Evan you know, anti running backs take right now.

1129
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 2: It's not even like the point I'm saying that it

1130
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: was all the running backs because I think all these

1131
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: guys are just the same. And I know they all

1132
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: have different skills and stuff like that, but in terms

1133
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: of where you value them on the board, they're all

1134
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: early day three guys. They're all early day three guys.

1135
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: You could throw a dart against the board and one

1136
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: guy's gonna hit and one guy's not gonna hit, and

1137
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: you probably aren't gonna have a great idea of which

1138
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: ones which they are all the same.

1139
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: I will say the one other guy I thought stood

1140
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: out a little bit was Jalen Wright. I thought he

1141
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: went through Tennessee. Yeah, yeah, I thought he went through

1142
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: the on field drills.

1143
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: Really.

1144
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: I mean we've talked about like the running back early

1145
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: on day three, marsha On Lloyd I think is gonna

1146
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: sneak into day two.

1147
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: He's good. He's good. Yeah, I don't. So this kind

1148
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: of goes he's the one running back in this class

1149
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: that excites me.

1150
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: Well, so this kind of goes to your point where

1151
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: I like Marshall Lloyd, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't even

1152
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: necessarily trade back to the end of day three to

1153
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: get them. If you can get Jalen Right at whatever,

1154
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one O four, one O five six.

1155
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1156
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: I don't think there's this massive gap between Jalen and

1157
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: Right and marsha On Lloyd. I think marsha On Lloyd

1158
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: just played in an offense that better showcase his skills,

1159
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: so teams will higher on him. I think in the

1160
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: NFL they're gonna be about the same player.

1161
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: This is such a dime a dozen running back class.

1162
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: There's no value in it because they're all the same.

1163
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated to see when the run starts. It's you're

1164
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 2: probably right, it's probably gonna be early day three. I no,

1165
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: it's gonna be late day two.

1166
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna start seeing teams in the nineties trying to

1167
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: get ahead of it. Yeah, the good teams that can

1168
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: afford to take a running back. You know, in the

1169
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 1: third round, they're gonna be like, all right, before everybody

1170
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: starts running. Well, the dumb thing is, so the two

1171
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: best running backs in this class is gonna be a.

1172
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: Second round pick. But even he was unimpressively No, but

1173
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a second round pick.

1174
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 1: And then the second best running back in this class

1175
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: is Jonathan Brooks, who's not gonna play as a rookie

1176
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: towards a cl Texas everybody else. I agree with you,

1177
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: Trey Benson, Bucky Irving, Braylan Allen, Jalen Wright, Marshall Lloyd,

1178
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: same guy.

1179
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: It's just the same guy. So it's a very good

1180
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: I do think.

1181
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: The run starts late in the third You're gonna see

1182
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: a handful running back school in the top one hundred

1183
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: in like the late eighties, early nineties.

1184
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: It's a great class for my fellow running backs. Don't

1185
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: matter crowd, because it's just they are all the same.

1186
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: You could draft Bucky Irving and he's gonna get He

1187
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: would probably give you the same productions as then.

1188
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: But this is a bet. No, I'm not gonna let

1189
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: you do that. Hang on, I'm not gonna let you

1190
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: do that. All the same, but it's a bad class.

1191
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: It's a bad but it's a bad class. So all right,

1192
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: the tight ends not matter. You drafted any one of

1193
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: those tight ends we talked about earlier, they're all the same.

1194
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: According to your logic, that means tight ends don't matter.

1195
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: No, that's not what I'm saying.

1196
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: No, but that's exactly what you just said. That's exactly

1197
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: what you just said. It's a diamond dozen position. Now

1198
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: was it all right last year? Were they all the

1199
00:53:59,280 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: same last year?

1200
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: No? But that was a good class. This isn't rights.

1201
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: Being a bad class doesn't mean the position doesn't matter.

1202
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: We go back to twenty two. Just quarterback no matter,

1203
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter, Kenny Pickett, Bailey's appy. Is there a difference

1204
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: between any of them?

1205
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: No?

1206
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: Does that mean that position doesn't matter? Next year you're

1207
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: gonna get Trevon Henderson. Next year, you're gonna get Donovan Edwards.

1208
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: Next year you're gonna get Rock Sanders. And guess what

1209
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna matter again.

1210
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: It's Raheem Sanders. Is his nickname. That's cool. I like that,

1211
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 2: Chez m Lucy. The only guy that ouded this running

1212
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: back class that I think is worth a damn is

1213
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: marsh On Lloyd. That's it.

1214
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: Do you actually have Marshan And I like Marshon Lloyd,

1215
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: but you don't have Marshon Lloyd over Blake Orham.

1216
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 2: Come on now, Blake Koram is gonna make Lake Koram

1217
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: is literally Danny Wood.

1218
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: Blake Koram, He's going. Blake korm is going shorter than

1219
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: I am. Blake Korm is gonna make JJ McCarthy a

1220
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: top fifteen pick. Do you realize how hard that is

1221
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: to do? It's not you've watched You've watched JJ mccartho.

1222
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: It's the whole operation. Is the best running back in

1223
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: this draft. You're kidding yourself.

1224
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: It's like these tractor trailers size tolls, and we're supposed

1225
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 2: to be impressed with Blake Korn.

1226
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: Go back and watch the last couple of years for

1227
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: the offensive line wasn't quite as good.

1228
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: Both those running backs at Michigan produced both of them.

1229
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: Donovan Edwards is going to be a top three or

1230
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: four back in next year's class. He's also very good.

1231
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: They just happen to be the best running backs in

1232
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: the country.

1233
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: Who's your net? Who's on your list? All the running

1234
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: backs dunk?

1235
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: All right, So my downs, I'm gonna start with bo Nicks.

1236
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: I have a take on Bonix. You think I'm just

1237
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: it's not even Bone Nicks. I was not expecting that.

1238
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: I am incredibly I think I texted you this last night.

1239
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: The things I've said about Joe Milton right where. I

1240
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 1: don't know whether he's good or bad, but he's exciting.

1241
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: I feel the same in the opposite about Bone. I

1242
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: don't know whether or not Bo Nicks is good or bad.

1243
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: He just bores the crap out of me. I just look,

1244
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: here's a guy.

1245
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: I can't believe I just said, here's a guy. Bo

1246
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: Nicks is a guy. It's a guy. Bo Nix is a.

1247
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: Guy that should show up in shorts and a T

1248
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: shirt and hit slant routes and put him right on

1249
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: the money and everybody drools all over it.

1250
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: Even though it has no football applications.

1251
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: He is accurate, but he hasn't been He was at

1252
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and he wasn't one of the more

1253
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: accurate quarterback.

1254
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: It wasn't to the point where it was the highest

1255
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 2: completion percentage in the history of college football. Right, Well,

1256
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: hang on, we'll get to that second. What do you mean, right? No, right,

1257
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: so his accuracy.

1258
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: I should be blown away by his accuracy, especially in

1259
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: controlled settings, and I haven't been. That's disappointing, That's what

1260
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's no, You're exactly right. He does have

1261
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: the highest completion percentage in college football history. So why

1262
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: is he missing guys at the Senior Bowl enough to combine?

1263
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: I think that bo Nicks is I've said it to

1264
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 2: you before, and I don't know where You're right. He's

1265
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: not toolsy Mac Jones. That's the wrong way to put it.

1266
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: But he's just he's Zoe likes to say he's built

1267
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: like a linebacker. He's linebacker Mac Jones.

1268
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 2: He's Mac Jones with a little bit more physical tools.

1269
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 2: So I'm saying that he's, you know, Mac Jones with

1270
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 2: Josh Allen's arm talent. I'm not saying that. I'm just

1271
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 2: saying he's he's Mac Jones, but he's a little bit

1272
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: more mobile. He's got a little bit of a better arm.

1273
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: A little bit smaller. Yeah, the thing about bo bo

1274
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: Knicks is a great college quarterback. And I stand and

1275
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: we did the list last weekend. I think I had

1276
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: him like third on my list of who was the

1277
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: best college quarter Yeah, but the big question with bo

1278
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: Nicks is outside of that Oregon offense, how much does

1279
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: it translate because we saw just outside of the structure, it

1280
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: looks like at Auburn, Well, he's gonna have to be

1281
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: if he's with a really good play designer. Yeah, Like

1282
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: if he's you know, it's not gonna happen because these

1283
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: teams have quarterbacks. But like if he was on the

1284
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: lines with Ben Johnson, or he was with Kyle Shana

1285
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: or McVeigh, I wouldn't roll that one where they can

1286
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: scheme open the first read for him all the time,

1287
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: because that's what he did at Oregon, right right. If

1288
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: he can do that, then I think that he's one

1289
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: of those guys that will we'll be able to accurately

1290
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: put the ball where it needs to go.

1291
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 2: But here's my but this is my point. The second

1292
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: you you throw that out, he's not giving you any

1293
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: but this is my right.

1294
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: So but Oregon, like he had years working with those

1295
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: receivers that compound he's he shouldn't be struggling in this setting.

1296
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: And I don't know that he's been bad, but this

1297
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: is a setting that bow Nicks should show up in

1298
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: and thrive, and he's not. And if it happened at

1299
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: one of the two, fine whatever. He's now failed to

1300
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: wow me at both the Senior Bowl and the Combine

1301
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: when he was supposed to be one of the better

1302
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks on the field. He didn't look at I'm not

1303
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: saying fair like I didn't take him in the first

1304
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: round of my life. I didn't think he was overly

1305
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: impressive at that. I moved him behind JJ McCarthy on

1306
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: my big board too. I now miss QB six. Yeah,

1307
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: so I just I you could do JJ, you could

1308
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: do Bonix on your own time. I especially as it

1309
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: relates to the Patriots, I have zero interesting.

1310
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they have to draft somebody with the higher ceilings.

1311
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 2: The comp that that Daniel Jeremia has been using for

1312
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: bo Nicks, which I think Daniel Jeremiah might skew a

1313
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 2: little bit more towards those ceiling comparisons that we talk about,

1314
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: is Alex Smith. You know, just accurate, can get the

1315
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: ball out on time, but down the field, not a

1316
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 2: lot of arm talent, not a lot of aggressiveness, not

1317
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: a lot of out of structure play, but he can

1318
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: run a little bit. Like you know, he's a sneaky athlete,

1319
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: but he's not really an off platform, you know, off

1320
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: script athlete. Yeah, he's Kenny Pickett, He's a smaller Kenny Pickett.

1321
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: He's Vanilla ice cream. He is what he is. He's

1322
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: playing boring. Yeah, we actually, me and Taylor Kyle's did that.

1323
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: We can.

1324
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: We did comps for each of the top quarterbacks. But

1325
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: as ice cream, so like, and that was that was

1326
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: my comfort Bonux door brand Vanilla.

1327
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 2: People seem to like it. It was fun. Yeah, yeah, you

1328
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: don know. My conference J J. McCarthy was an empty bowl.

1329
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: There could be ice cream in the bowl someday, and

1330
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, who knows what kind of ice cream it

1331
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: could be, but as of right now, there's no ice

1332
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: cream in the bowl. There might be great ice cream

1333
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: in the bowl at some point and you have a

1334
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: bowl to put the ice cream in. That's good, but

1335
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: there's no ice cream in the bowl right now.

1336
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: That's good.

1337
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: That That was my second favorite. My favorite one was

1338
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: Joe Milt. Have you ever had cinnamon ice cream.

1339
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's powerful. Yeah. I don't know whether or

1340
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 2: not it's good or bad, but it's powerful. Yeah.

1341
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: J J.

1342
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: McCarthy empty bowl, Yeah, all right, hello Jerry uh Man.

1343
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 2: That was that. You made me laugh on that one.

1344
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: That was pretty good. I said that to you, empty bowl.

1345
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: I like that, all right? My second down and this

1346
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 2: one kills me because as a tape guy, I want

1347
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 2: to trust the tape on it. I think this, I

1348
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: think I have this guy. Franklin looks horrible. I mean,

1349
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: just you're not a friends person. I know that I've seen. Okay,

1350
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: have you seen Phoebe run like you know, it's just.

1351
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: Like he's just going through the gauntlet and it looks

1352
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: like he's drunk.

1353
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: He's like going like this.

1354
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: Somebody tweeted that it's like when they give you the

1355
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: did you ever in like high school, they give you

1356
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: the drunk goggles?

1357
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 2: You have to do that. Yeah, that's probably what we

1358
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: all looked like, try to and you mentioned you mentioned

1359
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: earlier that the one drill that has some application is

1360
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: the gauntlet when it comes to receivers. And he was horrible.

1361
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 2: And then on top of that, he only ran a

1362
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 2: four four one And I know that's like only a

1363
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: four to four one. But he's a burden that's carring trade.

1364
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: He's carrying trade of speed. Carrying trade is vertical separation

1365
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 2: and speed and deep threat ability. And four four one

1366
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 2: is good, but it's not great. It's not caring. That's

1367
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: not carrying trade speed. That's okay. He's also fast. Yeah,

1368
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 2: carrying trade speed when you're a vertical threat. Is four

1369
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: to one?

1370
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: That that that he's not even really a vertical threat.

1371
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about when we're talking about speed. Yeah,

1372
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 2: so four four one is is good, but it's not great.

1373
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 2: I guess I should say it's good, but it's not elite.

1374
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 2: It's it's not good for him. Yea, for the kind

1375
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: of player he is. You scale it to the kind

1376
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: of player he is. That's bring it full circle and

1377
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 2: on on Troy Franklin and I I mean this as

1378
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: somebody that I think you know, I'm not trying to

1379
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: trash a guy that was in the building last year,

1380
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: Jalen Rager. I can't. It's so much Jalen Rager to

1381
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 2: me because Jalen Rager was it tatted the exact same way. Vertical, explosive,

1382
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 2: good speed, Baylor. He's just Baylor offense. And I think

1383
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of similarities between Baylor TCU. You

1384
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,959
Speaker 2: know that that, Like, it's just a lot of similarities there.

1385
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: And Jalen Rager obviously ended up being a bus for

1386
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 2: where he was draft right, and you know that sort

1387
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: of thing. So I look at a lot of the

1388
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: the failed, the failed archetypes in the Troy Franklin world,

1389
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 2: and a lot of them are you know, the Jalen

1390
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 2: Rager types. You know that they don't work out at

1391
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 2: the next level. Not a lot.

1392
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: I've been trying to say, it's he's Taekwon. It's been

1393
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: my comp I'm sticking to it. Slower Taekwon, I guess

1394
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: even slower Taiko. Yeah, my third down. And this is

1395
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: another This is the guy I like. So I regret

1396
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,439
Speaker 1: putting him on there, not regret, but also maybe gives

1397
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: me some hope because every year there's one or two

1398
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,439
Speaker 1: guys of the combine that tests poorly, yeah, that then

1399
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: become good players and it's just like, oh, they hadn't

1400
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: off the like Pooka, right, we'll get a horrible combine

1401
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: outside of the Gauntlet, but he just eating tests well

1402
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: like He's definitely a better athlete than what the combine

1403
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: showed it was.

1404
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: In his day. Yeah, Cam Kitchens, Yeah, safety for my

1405
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you re mind his work. I reminded me

1406
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 2: of Brian Branch similar thing where you got to turn

1407
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 2: on the tape with that guy and the film is

1408
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 2: the film right? Terrible combine.

1409
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: But I've seen enough of Cam Kitchens where I know

1410
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't have that straight line speed. He is

1411
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: more explosive of an athlete than he tested. I just

1412
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: I've seen it too much to overwrite all of that.

1413
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 2: Now.

1414
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the combine doesn't come into effect, but

1415
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: I know what I saw. I know what I saw

1416
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: in Cam Kitchens, and this is why I almost liked it.

1417
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: He's a down. Does he fall to sixty eight? Even further?

1418
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 2: Does he does he fall early in the fourth three?

1419
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 2: Because you know, l thing like the ethnic profile carries

1420
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 2: a lot of weight.

1421
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: Right And for the Patriots specifically, they got a guy

1422
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: up there.

1423
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 2: I think, are we under football ops? Are we next

1424
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: to football ops? I don't know where we are relatives

1425
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 2: or so we're on the same level all right over there?

1426
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: They got a guy over there, Alonzo high Smith yep,

1427
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: who knows Cam Kitchens talked to both him and the

1428
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: other Miami safety about Alonzo.

1429
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: High Williams.

1430
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: James Williams, Right, Yep, they got a guy over there

1431
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: who knows Cam Kitchens, who's worked a lot with Cam Kitchens.

1432
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: And if he signs off, if Alonzo, maybe Alonza. Heismith

1433
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: looks at it and says what I'm saying. Hey, yeah,

1434
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: kid had a rough day. I don't know what happened,

1435
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: but this dude, we should get him the building.

1436
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 2: He can play. He had a bad combine, But I

1437
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: am not out on Cam Kitchens. I'm with you. I

1438
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 2: think a lot of I mentioned Brian Branch last year

1439
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 2: from Alabama. Brian Branch's film was like top twenty prospect

1440
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 2: in that draft last year, and because of the combine,

1441
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 2: he fell to the second round and he was one

1442
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: of the best rookies in the NFL last year. Like that,

1443
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 2: there's a reason why the film is king right, and

1444
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 2: Brian Branch is a perfect example of that. I'm not

1445
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 2: quite there with Troy Franklin. I wish I could became

1446
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 2: the tape I didn't.

1447
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: I love the tape with Troy Franklin either, So I'm

1448
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: very that's what it is.

1449
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 2: Maybe instead the tape wasn't all that great to begin with.

1450
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, I'm with you on Cam Kitchens.

1451
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: Nobody that te steps the way Cam Kitchens did is

1452
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: a minus athlete.

1453
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say that. There's also just you know,

1454
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: his ability to in center field like that takes a

1455
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 2: lot of anticipation and instincts that don't come naturally to

1456
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 2: a lot of people. So yeah, you could, you could

1457
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 2: be his safety with the four to three, But if

1458
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 2: you're not jumping the route on time, you're not jumping

1459
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: the route on time. The difference in the forty is

1460
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 2: not gonna make up for the fact that you're three.

1461
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: And that's that's That's where I like Cam Kitchens because

1462
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: he's still he's he gets the football.

1463
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 2: I never see him not get to the football. Yeah,

1464
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 2: I bet you like his Like his in game testing

1465
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 2: and stuff like that is so much better. You know,

1466
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 2: that's not we can't get that right, No, it's tough

1467
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 2: to get. You can get like on a case by

1468
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 2: case basis, but it's tough to get the full reports

1469
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 2: and stuff that the teams get. All right, my last one,

1470
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna Paul Barth on this, but I'm gonna I'm

1471
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 2: gonna be outside the box. I am going to say

1472
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 2: a down is the entire NFL draft media complex complex.

1473
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: I almost did this for hyping up JJ McCarthy.

1474
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: I almost did this, and I feel like I've got

1475
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: dug too into it the last couple.

1476
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: Days and telling everybody that what they're seeing isn't what

1477
01:05:55,560 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 2: they're seeing, and lying blatantly because for some reason, someone

1478
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 2: in a high ranking position or someone's in high ranking

1479
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 2: positions in the NFL in a front office in Michigan,

1480
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh, I don't know, but somebody, No, you said

1481
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 2: who it was, Jim Harba. Somebody is running a pr

1482
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 2: campaign for this kid. And it's not only is it

1483
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 2: a disservice to fans that now think that JJ McCarthy

1484
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 2: is QB three or QB two or whatever, it's also

1485
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 2: disservice to JJ McCarthy.

1486
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: Disservice to JAJ. So I was gonna put how I

1487
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: was gonna just I was gonna put j. J. McCarthy

1488
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: as it down and say he was fine because he

1489
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: was fine. I don't want to say like he had

1490
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: a terrible combine. He was okay yep, which great, he

1491
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: was Okay. The hype around him is unfair because he's

1492
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: not He's not gonna move up to it.

1493
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 2: He's not, no, at least not right away.

1494
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm watching the combine Evan and I'm watching him throw,

1495
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: and he's missing receivers, especially.

1496
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 2: The left yep, which is all over the film too.

1497
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 2: By the I'm like, finally we're gonna hear it.

1498
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: Calm down, because first off, first off, I'm sorry the

1499
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: build up to the throwing session.

1500
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 2: Get the hell out of here with the build up.

1501
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 2: Oh my, just wait.

1502
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: Oh you think it's crazy that I'm saying JJ McCarthy

1503
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: could go throw.

1504
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 2: Wait till you see him throw. NFL teams can't wait

1505
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 2: to see him throw.

1506
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: When he throws, he's gonna prove Evan the way they

1507
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: talked about it, I need to get him.

1508
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 2: The way they talked about it, it was like the

1509
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 2: fourth time I've done this rant. Last week. Yeah, grown

1510
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 2: men were going to weep.

1511
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: They were going to write sonnets about the way JJ

1512
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: McCarthy threw the football. It was going to be the

1513
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: Quinn noordin ten for ten in stadium practice of combine throwing.

1514
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: Stay all combine throwing sessions, all throwing sessions, pro days whatever.

1515
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 2: From here on out, we're going to be.

1516
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: Judged against the Mona Lisa that JJ McCarthy was going

1517
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: to give us an indie and he was okay.

1518
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 2: It wasn't bad, he wasn't good.

1519
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: He was okay, So it just the build up was

1520
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: But then all right, he goes out there and he's fine.

1521
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, thankfully we can relax. And then look,

1522
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: I get Eisen's a Michigan guy whatever, But yeah, they

1523
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: cut back to the desk and Pete Schrager's drooling about him.

1524
01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: Would Pete Trager go to school? I don't think it

1525
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: was Michigan pants off pants.

1526
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 2: Here's the thing.

1527
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: I almost give eyes in a break because he does

1528
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: that every year for all the Michigan guys. It's just

1529
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: part of the combine. Like I knew it was gonna

1530
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: come from him. Jeremiah was okay about it. But they

1531
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 1: cut back to death Schrager went to Emory University. I

1532
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,759
Speaker 1: don't think JJ McCarthy went there. The only one Charles Davis.

1533
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: Charles Davis was the only one who stood up for it.

1534
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 1: But oh my god, the the the tongue path that

1535
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy got afterwards, I thought, evan, I thought, because

1536
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: I didn't go to the combine and I get foma.

1537
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: When I don't go to the combine and I miss

1538
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: all these things, I'm like great. They had a meeting

1539
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: that we now judge quarterbacks differently. They must have all

1540
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: gotten together at sant almost sucked down their shrimp, nice

1541
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: nibble by the way on the social They must have

1542
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: gone to the combine, all had a meeting and said, all.

1543
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 2: Right, when the guy I took a giant bite. When

1544
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 2: the guy misses, no, you next to next to deuce

1545
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 2: the thing. And good for him he was. He was

1546
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,839
Speaker 2: complaining about this place six hours later. JJ McCarthy combine

1547
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 2: of bites. It was fun. It was okay. I'm not

1548
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 2: gonna knock it.

1549
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: Dus had juice, had the ad Mitchell Combine of bite.

1550
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 2: But I'm like great.

1551
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: They went to Saint Elmos and they had this meeting

1552
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: that when you throw the ball ten feet over the

1553
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 1: guy's head on a fifteen yard out route, suddenly that's

1554
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: what we're looking for. I have no idea where any

1555
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: of that came from. And before I get called a

1556
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy hater, I feel bad for the kid.

1557
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 2: That's that's where I feel bad for the kid. That

1558
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so sincerely, I mean it one hundred

1559
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 2: percent with sincerity that all this is. This is a

1560
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 2: disservice to JJ McCarthy because maybe NFL team's cooler heads

1561
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 2: prevail with the actual league and he's Will Levis and

1562
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 2: he ends up dropping to the top of the second round,

1563
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 2: which is probably where he should But it was.

1564
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: A disservice to a Levis at the time because everybody

1565
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: was hyping him up this and I go back to

1566
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: Trey Lance.

1567
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I go back, and we hyped up Trey Lance

1568
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 2: that we weren't as experienced. I missed.

1569
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: I missed on Trey Lance was the same because it's

1570
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: it's the same thing as it's a little different because

1571
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: it's at FCS. But there's just not enough evidence to

1572
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: prove that this the Sky is capable of what people

1573
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 1: are saying he's capable of. And that doesn't mean he's bad.

1574
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 1: I think if you feel strongly one way or the

1575
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: other about J. J. McCarthy, you're kidding yourself. If you

1576
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: think he's great, you're kidding yourself. If you think he sucks,

1577
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: you're kidding yourself.

1578
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 2: He is a wild card. He's a blank canvas. Again,

1579
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 2: the ball's empty.

1580
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: There may be ice cream in it someday, but right

1581
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: now it's just an empty bowl.

1582
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 2: I also just feel like the team that drafts JJ McCarthy,

1583
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 2: and let's say the league buys into this hype and he.

1584
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: Gets over, his ultimate success is gonna. I mean, it

1585
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: matters for everybody, but that.

1586
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 2: Famly is gonna kill him. Oh yeah, Minnesota, Atlanta, New York. Well,

1587
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 2: because the Giants, Minnesota or the Jets.

1588
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: And I always say this that the ultimate outcome is

1589
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: so heavily dependent on where the player goes, more than

1590
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: people realize.

1591
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 2: I think for j. J.

1592
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: McCarthy it's even more so depending on the location Minnesota,

1593
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: assuming to get Kirk Cousins back. I actually kind of

1594
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: like for him the Jets. I kind of like for

1595
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: him just the common theme, No.

1596
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: The Jets, Oh, behind Aaron Rodgers, Right.

1597
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: What's the common theme here? I guess he could sit

1598
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: behind Daniel Jones. Yeah, okay, the Giants. I'll put the

1599
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: Giants on the list. If he goes somewhere and he

1600
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: has to play like maybe not weak one, but like

1601
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: if he's playing by October's rookie year. The wheels are

1602
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 1: gonna come off that thing fast. That's now now he'

1603
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,719
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, congratulations, now'sa I.

1604
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 2: Just I feel like I always feel bad for these

1605
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 2: guys that get that get hyped like this, and it's

1606
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 2: a disservice to them because they're not gonna live up

1607
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 2: to it at the next level, certainly not right away,

1608
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 2: and then people are already gonna start bashing the pick

1609
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 2: and all this kind of It's just it's not good

1610
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 2: for anybody. But to your point though about the meeting

1611
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 2: at Saint Elmos that I also wasn't invited to. Yeah,

1612
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 2: where they That's the biggest thing that frustrates you with

1613
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy is I I trust my eyes, maybe a

1614
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 2: little bit too much, but I do trust that I

1615
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 2: know what I'm looking at when it comes to this stuff,

1616
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: and I just don't. I don't see the top ten

1617
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 2: talent that he's being touted as, and it just drives

1618
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 2: me nuts, Like I feels like I'm taking crazy pills,

1619
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I don't know what you're watching.

1620
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 2: And then I listen to people. You know, I sent

1621
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 2: you that clip from Greg coy who's another guy. I

1622
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 2: met him for the first time at the Combine this

1623
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 2: year and it was really cool to talk to him.

1624
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 2: Another guy that I look up to that just watched

1625
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 2: his film all day, every single day. And he goes

1626
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 2: on a two minute rant about how JJ McCarthy is

1627
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 2: not even close. He's not even close. And so I

1628
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 2: know the people that are watching the tape agree with me.

1629
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 2: I know the people that are actually sitting down and

1630
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 2: studying the film agree with what I'm saying, which tells

1631
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 2: me that JJ McCarthy has the hype man. It's probably

1632
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh that's in the NFL that's telling all these

1633
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 2: media people how good he is. Yeah, and that is

1634
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 2: where this is all coming from.

1635
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to be fair, maybe they're misconsuring him because

1636
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: Harbaugh said he could be the best Michigan quarterback since

1637
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: Brady That that's not as high of a bar as

1638
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: it sounds. It's really it's really all right, he has

1639
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: to be better than I think he could be better

1640
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 1: than jad Eddie. I think that's a very realistic expectation,

1641
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: all right for JJ McCarthy.

1642
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 2: But let's move off with JJ McCarthy and who do

1643
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 2: you have? It's left on your list. I think that

1644
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 2: is it. Bo Nicks, Troy Franklin, Cam Kitchens.

1645
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's your combine rap. But hope you and

1646
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: I have one thought on the defense. We didn't talk

1647
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: about like any defense players.

1648
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 2: That's okay. You talked about Kim Kitchen, I did.

1649
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: But no one. I'm just curious if you agree on this.

1650
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: The entire defensive portion of the combine to me, Chuck,

1651
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: every guy tested exactly how I thought it.

1652
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 2: Ever, I, like I said earlier, the combine has made

1653
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 2: for people like you and yeah, I have never slept

1654
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 2: through a combine for a defensive performance that I did this,

1655
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 2: and I at first I had no interest. I couldn't

1656
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 2: care less. I was not into it at all. It

1657
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 2: was in some of that. I think it does stem

1658
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 2: from the fact that the best defensive player is probably

1659
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 2: Dallas Turner, and he's might not like he's gonna be late.

1660
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 2: So I thought some of it in the top ten,

1661
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 2: like he's not even like you know, it's not like

1662
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 2: they have like a Miles Garrett in this draft either,

1663
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 2: so it's not a really great draft.

1664
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:49,600
Speaker 1: I thought some of it was also like all the

1665
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 1: past don't really need a defensive player. But no, it's

1666
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: just like I'm trying to find like because afterwards I'm

1667
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 1: writing like my takeaways and like who was good who

1668
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: was bad? And it was so hard to find guys

1669
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: that weren't just a test that we thought he was

1670
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: gonna test like.

1671
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 2: It was just it was shock, it was boor it

1672
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 2: was that's not a bad thing. It's not.

1673
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: It's not to say it's a bad class. It's just

1674
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: they're like, it's kind of a bad class. No, But

1675
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: I mean it's there's good players, but it's.

1676
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 2: There's good players. There's no blue chip players.

1677
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: You didn't get Jordan Davis running a sub five. You

1678
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:18,759
Speaker 1: didn't get something you didn't get like a ten rass

1679
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: score on defense, right, some guy testing through the roof

1680
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: heat right, Or he didn't get guys totally falling on

1681
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 1: their face either. It was just it is exactly. I

1682
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 1: could have written the recap of the defensive portion of

1683
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: the combine before it happened.

1684
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 2: I think there is a lot of on the defense

1685
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 2: side of the ball ye in this. I think a

1686
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 2: lot of NFL teams find like I keeps saying, like

1687
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 2: a lot of these NFL teams find solace in this

1688
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,679
Speaker 2: that that they're safe picks. There's a lot of safe

1689
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: picks in this draft on defense that are they going

1690
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 2: to be Miles Garrett? Are they going to be Nick Bosa?

1691
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 2: Are they going to be those types of game changers?

1692
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 2: Are they going to be corners that are are stud

1693
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 2: Sauce Gardner type corners. No, but there's a lot of

1694
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 2: really good football players that are just gonna be solid

1695
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 2: NFL players for a while, especially I would say at

1696
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: edge defender. And you know how many nickel corners are

1697
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 2: in this draft, and so many if you need. The

1698
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 2: Patriots don't necessarily need a slot corner, but there's so

1699
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 2: many slot corners in this draft. The kid from Michigan

1700
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 2: I was really good? Was it? Centarelli? Oh Sanders? Still? Yeah?

1701
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: I actually I wouldn't that name. Well, he's a local guy.

1702
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 2: I know we and we met his parents on the

1703
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 2: plane ride backs. I feel really and he had he

1704
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 2: had an interview. He had a really cool interview too.

1705
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,839
Speaker 2: He's having a kid. Yeah.

1706
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate if the Patriots added him, like or

1707
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: if he falls to early Day three, which feels.

1708
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 2: Possible, but into his dad as a first round pick,

1709
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 2: I mean, good for his dad. They are really nice people.

1710
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 2: I don't mean.

1711
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: If Belichick was still here, I'd be saying they were

1712
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: gonna take him the second. Yeah, because he's he's a

1713
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: football player. He not only does he here's what's so

1714
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 1: impressed about him. He's not one of these guys like

1715
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 1: plays boundary corner. He plays slot cornery, placeball safety, plays

1716
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: free safety, and you think, all right, wow, that's like

1717
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: a lot.

1718
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 2: That's impressive. He was recruited to Michigan as a receiver. Yeah,

1719
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 2: So not only.

1720
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: Does he play all the positions on defense, he just

1721
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: started doing that two years ago and he already learned

1722
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: them all. So he's a super impressive player. Again, I'd

1723
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 1: love to see him in New England. I don't know

1724
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: just where he's projected to go and what the Patriots

1725
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 1: need where it works.

1726
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 2: I think he's a Day two pick.

1727
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: He's definitely a guy four years from now we'll be

1728
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: talking about in free agency.

1729
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1730
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 1: But wherever he goes, unless I guess it's Buffalo, I'm

1731
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 1: gonna be rooting for him. Yeah, and Buffalo needs him

1732
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: because they have no more football player.

1733
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 2: Local kid, great family, great parents, they're super nice. Never

1734
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 2: seen Mike Dussau smile so big that he was talking

1735
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 2: to his family on the way back. Yeah, it was.

1736
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 2: That's what the defense is though. To me, edge defender's decent.

1737
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 2: Edge defender class. Good depth to the edge defender class.

1738
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 2: If you need a nickel corner, there's like five hundred

1739
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 2: of them. Other than that, I wasn't overly wowed or

1740
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,480
Speaker 2: with any of these guys at the Senior Bowl anywhere.

1741
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 2: I think they're all just kind of are what they are,

1742
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 2: you know, run of the mill, average NFL football players.

1743
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 2: But there's nothing wrong with that. You know that those

1744
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 2: guys are valuable and you need to have those guys

1745
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 2: around too. Let's get into some free agency. No phone,

1746
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 2: Sorry about that, guys. I'm sure we'll have Actually I.

1747
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: Did get I did get one question on YouTube. I

1748
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: don't know, you might not be able to answer this.

1749
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,799
Speaker 1: So just somebody because you said you talked to Greg Cosell,

1750
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: okay you yeah, no, but you didn't talk to him

1751
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: about MacCarthy.

1752
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 2: You saw the clip ofc I saw him a clip

1753
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 2: of McCarthy. I just I just somebody somebody asked if

1754
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 2: he said anything about Drake May. So he's not a

1755
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 2: big Drake May fan either. I think that, you know,

1756
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:34,560
Speaker 2: he's one of those guys, and I don't want to

1757
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 2: get I've already you know, ragged on like Chris Sims

1758
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 2: and those people enough. But I think a lot of

1759
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 2: people watch, you know, guys like Drake May, guys like J. J. McCarthy,

1760
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 2: and you know, if you're a guy that studies NFL

1761
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and it was a former NFL quarterback, you see

1762
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,719
Speaker 2: all the little nuances and details that they do badly.

1763
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 2: You know, his feut are bad here is you know,

1764
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 2: his release is bad there, his mechanics are off that

1765
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 2: on this drop back, YadA, YadA, YadA, and uh you

1766
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 2: know the draft. Yes, those things matter to an extent,

1767
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 2: but the things that matter more are are more of

1768
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 2: the big picture stuff. You know, the physical tools that

1769
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 2: what's between the ears, that type of stuff you can

1770
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 2: drill for work. You can improve mechanics. You can't make

1771
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 2: a guy bigger, faster, stronger, You just can't. You also

1772
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 2: can't make a guy more competitive most of the time.

1773
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 2: Like that, that's all the stuff that becomes comes God given.

1774
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 2: It's it's just in you or it's not. And I

1775
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 2: think that's a big difference between somebody like a Dana Orlovsky,

1776
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 2: like a Chris Sims, like a Kurt Warner, who have

1777
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 2: all all bashed the row quarterbacks in this class to

1778
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 2: an extent, and someone like me who likes strike may

1779
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 2: because of the fact that there's just so many things

1780
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 2: that you can't replic.

1781
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: I also wonder if this is more big picture thing.

1782
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: But I generally when I do quarterbacks, I generally don't

1783
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,480
Speaker 1: like more quarterbacks than like. This year is an anomaly,

1784
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 1: and by the way, it was an anomaly before we

1785
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 1: knew the patron's gonna be taking one. Like you know,

1786
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: I've been high on this quarterback class since last year. Yeah,

1787
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: but I do feel like there's people, whether consciously or subconsciously,

1788
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: or whether like on purpose or subconsciously, that just know, hey,

1789
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: most quarterbacks don't work right. So if I'm out on

1790
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: all of them, odds are I'm gonna be right more

1791
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: than I am wrong. And I do think there's and

1792
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: I've been guilty of that at times where if I'm

1793
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty on a quarterback, my gut instinct is

1794
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: my gut. If I'm fifty to fifty, my gut instincts

1795
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: to be out because I'm playing the odds at that point. Yeah,

1796
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: So I wonder if there's people that essentially I don't

1797
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: do that as a whole. I do that on a

1798
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 1: player to player basis. A quarterback is to win me over.

1799
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 1: He can't just not lose me. Has to win me over.

1800
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 1: I wonder if some people look at that big picture

1801
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,560
Speaker 1: and just say, well, look, there's gonna be four or

1802
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: five six quarterbacks that go in the first round.

1803
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:54,759
Speaker 2: They're not all gonna be studs.

1804
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 1: If I'm just out on all of them, I play

1805
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: the numbers, I probably end up And I'm not saying

1806
01:19:58,560 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 1: that's ultimately the driving.

1807
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 2: Force, but I couldn't agree.

1808
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: I always feel like there's I know there's fans that

1809
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: do that because my brother doesn't, and it's totally fair.

1810
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people our experience with this

1811
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 2: is obviously the twenty twenty one quarterback class. Recent experience.

1812
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 2: I should say, yeah, and there's a lot of people

1813
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 2: that look at that twenty one class and say, Trevor

1814
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 2: Lawrence is the only guy that's even really remotely close

1815
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 2: to franchise quarterback caliber, right he might not be on

1816
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 2: his team a year from now, and you drafted five

1817
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 2: guys in the top fifteen in that class and one

1818
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 2: of them, maybe one of them can play. So why

1819
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 2: am I gonna say that all these guys are good

1820
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 2: or three of these guys that Wilson shouldn't have been

1821
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 2: top fifteen picks? Yeah, or two of these guys are

1822
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 2: good when I know that we would be lucky if

1823
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 2: one of these guys is good. And I totally understand that.

1824
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 2: But you know, look that this is our job. This

1825
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 2: is our job is to project, try to project these guys.

1826
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 2: Our job is to try to tell you who we

1827
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 2: like and who we don't like, and that it's not

1828
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 2: our job to sit here and tell you, well, in reality,

1829
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 2: Caleb is probably gonna be the only good ones. So

1830
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 2: don't even bother with the other five. Right, that's not

1831
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 2: the show, you know, that's not that's not the gig.

1832
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: I don't remember if I said on this show. I

1833
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: don't remember what show I said on Where. Part of

1834
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,719
Speaker 1: me too, especially with Drake May is like I missed

1835
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: the boat on Justin Herbert. I wasn't like super out

1836
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: on Justin Herbert. I didn't love him. I definitely missed

1837
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: the boat on Josh Allen. Yeah, I didn't thought he'd

1838
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 1: be out of the league.

1839
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 2: I'm not.

1840
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 1: That's a big part of my basis for liking Drake

1841
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: May Like, if I'm being honest, is I've seen enough

1842
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: guys with that skill set now that even if I

1843
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 1: personally don't like the skill set, it translates like I'm

1844
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: seeing the evidence and there's there's less misses of that

1845
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 1: skill set in between. So I just think there's there's

1846
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 1: an element of that.

1847
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,719
Speaker 2: So I was out on Josh Allen. I thought people

1848
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 2: were crazy with Josh Allen. You love No, shut up,

1849
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 2: you loved Josh Allen not in the draft. Oh no.

1850
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 1: You remember we had that whole argument where they were

1851
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: both bad their first year, and I said, Josh Allen

1852
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 1: and the March Jackson the same player, and.

1853
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 2: Then well, no, it's right anywhere. No, you're right. I

1854
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 2: wasn't right because Lamar Jackson can win an MVP. But yeah,

1855
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson has two MVPs in in his trophy case.

1856
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: What you got to win one before you can win

1857
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 1: to That's how they're not going to give your second

1858
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: one before you win your first one.

1859
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 2: So Josh Allen, I didn't hate Justin Herbert. I like

1860
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert quite a bit, but his Justin Herbert, I

1861
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 2: think was a little bit different than what Drake may is.

1862
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert's issue was that was that offense the Oregon offer.

1863
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 2: A lot of the critiques were the same similar. Yeah, yeah,

1864
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 2: and so I would say that the one thing that

1865
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 2: I have have taken away from all these quarterbacks and

1866
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 2: trying to learn about where my mistakes were and try

1867
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 2: to get better at this. I think the thing that

1868
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 2: you learn is that if you and I tweeted this

1869
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 2: out yesterday or the day before, if you have the

1870
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 2: physical tools, because you have to have a baseline of

1871
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 2: physical tools. Yes, I know everybody sits here and tells me,

1872
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 2: how could you watch Tom Brady for twenty years and

1873
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 2: think physical tools are the most important. It's not about

1874
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 2: them being the most important, but you have to have

1875
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 2: a baseline of physical years ago. And it was also

1876
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 2: twenty years ago and Brady, but Brady had underrated physical tools.

1877
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: And he also developed physically a lot between getting drafted,

1878
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 1: which is extremely rare, which yeah, that doesn't usually happen.

1879
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 2: Extremely rare, And so it's physical.

1880
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: To almost like Tom Brady's a one of one guy

1881
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 1: and we should compare anybody to him.

1882
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 2: Ever, exactly. It's physical tools, and it's being able to

1883
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 2: see the game right, diagnose defenses, have instincts, understand where

1884
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 2: your progressions and where you're supposed to go to the ball.

1885
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 2: I would say having good eyes right, your eyes are

1886
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 2: in the right places, if your intentions are good, if

1887
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 2: your eyes are in the right places, and you're making

1888
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 2: the right decisions within the framework of the scheme, and

1889
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 2: you have the physical tools, I will fix the other stuff.

1890
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:50,759
Speaker 1: I will.

1891
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 2: I will fix your drops, I'll fix your footwork, I'll

1892
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 2: tighten up your release. I can fix all those things

1893
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 2: if you have the instincts for the game and you

1894
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:02,759
Speaker 2: have the physical tools right. And a lot of those guys,

1895
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Patrick, Mahomes, all these guys. I

1896
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 2: still don't know that Allen saw the field right or

1897
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 2: seize the field right, but all those things. But for

1898
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 2: the most come on, yeah, he doesn't. You don't throw.

1899
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 2: You don't have his success without being able to see

1900
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 2: the field. You don't have his success without having stuff

1901
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 2: on ticks.

1902
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: Oh God, let's not do this. The point being, he's

1903
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 1: not gonna have stuff on much longer.

1904
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 2: The point being is that those guys all hit because

1905
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 2: those guys had those two base lines and all the

1906
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 2: little minutias that everybody you know, picks and prods during

1907
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: draft season, those all got fixed and thrown out the door.

1908
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 2: And so if you have that, to me, that's the

1909
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 2: that's the number one thing. That's why I have Caleb

1910
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 2: number one and I had Drake may number two. Is

1911
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 2: because they see it and they have good arm, talent

1912
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 2: and and all the rest of it I think will

1913
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 2: fall into place and they're mobile, right, yeah, and mobile.

1914
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: You don't need to be You don't need to be

1915
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 1: Jane Daniels, right, but you you don't need to beat

1916
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: Josh Allen.

1917
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 2: But you need to be you can't be a statue. Yeah,

1918
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 2: all right, free agency, Let's do the last thirty minutes

1919
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 2: on free agency. Let's not get back on the draft.

1920
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 2: All right, That's what we always have. It's gonna happen.

1921
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 2: It's gonna happen, I know, all right. A couple of

1922
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 2: things on free agency. First, I do want to get

1923
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 2: our takes out there about the transition tag for Kyle Dugger,

1924
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 2: which I don't think was a major surprise. You know,

1925
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 2: Mike Reese wrote a couple of weeks ago now on

1926
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 2: in his Sunday column that Kyle Dugger was a prime

1927
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 2: franchise tag candidate. Yeah, so you knew that there were

1928
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 2: already whispers that they were not gonna just let Dougger

1929
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,839
Speaker 2: go to market. They were gonna either tag him franchise

1930
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 2: tag them. Transition is what they ended up settling on.

1931
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 2: But regardless, they were going to try to maintain some

1932
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 2: sort of team control over Kyle Dugger. What are your

1933
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 2: opinions on them going this route in particular? I don't

1934
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 2: really understand it.

1935
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't I think that the franchise tag is for

1936
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 1: a player you can't afford to lose, that you know

1937
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose. I don't think Kyle Dugger is either

1938
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 1: of those things. No, that doesn't mean Kyle Duger's not

1939
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 1: a good player. But you have Jabrill Peppers, have Marte Mopole.

1940
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: You have guys that can play in the box, that

1941
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:04,560
Speaker 1: can do the things Kyle Dugger does. And this is

1942
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 1: also suddenly a great free safety class. And I'd love

1943
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 1: to see them be able or a great safety class.

1944
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 1: But I'd love to see them be able to add

1945
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: to Justin Simmons or Xavier McKinney and instead of being

1946
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: so redundant at that position as somebody who can play

1947
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: on the back end.

1948
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 2: On top of that, Mike go and win. Who's the

1949
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 2: one you can't afford to lose?

1950
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: And it's sounding more and more like he's gonna hit

1951
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:24,719
Speaker 1: the market and it's gonna be tough to get him back.

1952
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 1: He's the one I would have tagged, not Kyle Dugger.

1953
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 1: I just don't think Kyle Dugger was that the way

1954
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 1: that the roster's built. Now, this is a tricky year

1955
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 1: because you have people taking over a roster that and

1956
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 1: we've really, I mean, we've never dealt with this in

1957
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 1: terms of following this team. Yeah, Elliott Wolf doesn't have

1958
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 1: a ton of ties to these players in terms of

1959
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 1: he's not the one who brought him in, Like Elliott Well,

1960
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick had a plan for Marte Mapu. Who's to

1961
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 1: say Eliot Wolf has the same plan. Elliot Wolf may

1962
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 1: look at him and say he's a special teams player,

1963
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 1: right right, So there's an element of that. But I

1964
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 1: just think, oh, when who is the guy you can't

1965
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: afford to lose? You already need one tackle, you might

1966
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 1: need to Dugger you had, it's gonna mean an easier

1967
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: guy to replace. I think would have been an easier

1968
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 1: guy to negotiate with too.

1969
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 2: Just Mike and went. It's nothing against Mike and Winn

1970
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:15,679
Speaker 2: who for acting as his own agent, but that's there's

1971
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 2: a level of complexity there that just doesn't exist with

1972
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 2: other players. And in Kyle Duggar's agent is a long

1973
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 2: time who's Devin mccorty's agent, Jason mcarty's agent, They have

1974
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 2: a really good relationship. I I would have.

1975
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 1: Tagged if you're gonna tag something, and look if they

1976
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 1: were worried that they were gonna tag and when who

1977
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 1: and he was gonna hold out and they weren't gonna

1978
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:33,799
Speaker 1: have them like fine.

1979
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 2: I just think it was a lot of money. It's

1980
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 2: almost twenty two million dollars.

1981
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 1: One the goal should be to extend him. Well, no,

1982
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: because they could use transition tag. They still could use

1983
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: transition tag. They could have in the transition tag makes

1984
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: sense here. Wait, hang on, The transansition tag makes sense

1985
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 1: here because you go to Whinny and say we think

1986
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 1: your guard, you think you're a tackle. The league thinks

1987
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: your tackle will agree to go out there. They don't

1988
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: tag anybody. They don't tag anybody. I would have love

1989
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: for them to have more flexibility at the safety position

1990
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: than they do right now.

1991
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 2: Okay, so here's my rebuttal because I actually I like

1992
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:08,799
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggert as a player.

1993
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,799
Speaker 1: I like him as a player too, But it's it's

1994
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 1: it's not about collecting talent.

1995
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 2: It's about building a team. So here's the thing that

1996
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 2: still holds true. A couple of reasons why I would

1997
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 2: like to keep Kyle dugger around. One, we just talked

1998
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 2: about this with the quarterbacks. If he was coming off

1999
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:27,799
Speaker 2: his twenty twenty two season, would you feel differently about

2000
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 2: him staying around.

2001
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: If they also had Pepper's coming off the season he

2002
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 1: just had, not entirely.

2003
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 2: So here's my thought on that. I wonder. I think

2004
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 2: Pepper's is a good player. I love his attitude. Yeah,

2005
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 2: I love him in the locker room, I love I

2006
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 2: want to keep him around all those things. I don't

2007
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,679
Speaker 2: think that Pepper's. I think Pepper's I think his twenty

2008
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:52,679
Speaker 2: twenty three season was similar to Kyle Dugger's twenty twenty

2009
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 2: two season, where the ball just kind of found him

2010
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 2: a lot.

2011
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 1: And see, I think he found the ball because that's

2012
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 1: the player he's always been. He's been that since maybe

2013
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: he was just coming off and I think it's really

2014
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 1: hard first of all, just off the top. Yeah, I

2015
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 1: think it's a really Kyle Dugger is a guy that

2016
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 1: in a in a bad era for Patriots drafting. Yeah,

2017
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 1: he was a top pick, not for his round pick,

2018
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 1: but the top pick because of where they picked that.

2019
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: So I get that day drafted, they developed into a

2020
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 1: quality starter and is one of their guys, and he's

2021
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 1: one of Gid Mao's guys, like Mao is in the

2022
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: building for that all the time. Look, I let me

2023
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 1: let me be clear. I'm not saying kick Kyle Dugger

2024
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,679
Speaker 1: to the curb. I'm saying when we were specifically talking

2025
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 1: about the franchise tag. Yeah, so everything you're just saying

2026
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 1: is all the more reason to actually go out and

2027
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: give him a You franchise tag somebody because you don't

2028
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: want to give a fair deal.

2029
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:46,640
Speaker 2: That's what that is.

2030
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you franchise tag somebody because you don't want to

2031
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 1: pay him they're worth. If Kyle Dugger is this important

2032
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,799
Speaker 1: to the organization paying what he's.

2033
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 2: Worth, I think they will. I think they will well

2034
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 2: if they can do that. Again, the argument isn't whether

2035
01:29:59,400 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 2: or not to Keepkyle.

2036
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 1: I want to be clear about that, like if just

2037
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 1: be if they didn't tag him, I wouldn't be sitting

2038
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 1: here saying don't try to keep Kyle Dugger. Yeah, I

2039
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: just think for what the franchise tag is, it makes

2040
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:10,879
Speaker 1: more sense.

2041
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 2: For a player like Mike when Wyn who like than

2042
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 2: It's okay. So I'll get to that in a second. Yeah,

2043
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger. The other thing I think is is easier

2044
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 2: said than done with Kyle Dugger is really twofold one

2045
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 2: experience in the defense. They don't have a lot of

2046
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 2: experience back there anymore. Devin McCarty's not walking through the door.

2047
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 2: He's not coming back.

2048
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 1: They what they got. Pepper's been here for two years.

2049
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 1: They got Jonathan Jones. I'm sure Miles Bryant will.

2050
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 2: Be back, but I but I'm talking about like communicators,

2051
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 2: like guys that are in the back. Jonathan Jones. Yeah,

2052
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 2: I don't Jonathan Jones not communicating.

2053
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 1: For Brol Peppers a communicator last year. I guess again,

2054
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant will be back.

2055
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 2: I just think I look at that spot and say,

2056
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 2: one thing that Gerard Mayo said about Kyle Duggar, I

2057
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 2: think it was at the combine when he was talking

2058
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 2: about him, is how he really stepped up as a

2059
01:30:57,479 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 2: communicator back there without Devin McCarty as you know, kind

2060
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 2: of the leader of that secondary. I think that's big.

2061
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 2: And the other thing that's really big just from a

2062
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 2: real football standpoint, do you know how many hats on

2063
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 2: a given Sunday Kyle Duggar can can wear and does

2064
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 2: wear for this defense? Just just looking at like his

2065
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,799
Speaker 2: PFF snaps by position, you can get a good idea

2066
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 2: of it. And I could then break down, you know,

2067
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 2: the actual roles and responsibilities within the scheme that he

2068
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 2: has to take on. We're talking about a guy that

2069
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 2: can play overhang defender like you know, slot defender, whatever

2070
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 2: you want to call it, can play at the second

2071
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,600
Speaker 2: level of the defense, can blitz, can run, fit on

2072
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 2: the ball, can set the edge of the defense, can

2073
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 2: play center field, can play man to.

2074
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 1: Hang on You put center field very late on that list.

2075
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 1: And this is my big point in this.

2076
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 2: I'll get to get to it. Okay, So he does

2077
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 2: all these things. Yeah right, it's very hard to do.

2078
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,720
Speaker 2: I understand. Jabriel Peppers had a good year last year.

2079
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 2: Jabriel Peppers is not that kind of player. He also

2080
01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:59,759
Speaker 2: had a very good finish to the twenty two season.

2081
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 2: I just don't think that he's as flexible as Kyle Dugger.

2082
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 2: He's not. But if you.

2083
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 1: Move on from Kyle to and again, I would say, yes,

2084
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 1: keep Kyle Dugger. I just want them to be able

2085
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 1: to add a free safety. I just want to say

2086
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 1: real free safeties. Here's the thing. I'm kinda I'm gonna

2087
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quell your concerns. This is the other thing.

2088
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 1: This safety free agency class is loaded, yep. Because the

2089
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 1: league has decided that safeties are like running backs and

2090
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 1: they don't need them.

2091
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 2: That's that's the bottom line. The league is devalued. Safety devalued,

2092
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 2: last line of defense. The only guy that has any

2093
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 2: sort of type of value is if you are like

2094
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 2: an Antoine Whitfield junior, if you are an elite, elite

2095
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 2: ball hawking free safety. Other than that, you're not valuable.

2096
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 2: And so I look at a guy that was just

2097
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 2: released today, Justin Simmons, love him, would love Justice Simons. Great,

2098
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 2: great up top safety, center field safety that could come

2099
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 2: in here, won't. He's not gonna cost you a ton

2100
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 2: of money. It's not Jesse Bates. He's not going to

2101
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 2: get that type of contract. He's going to get a

2102
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 2: two year contract for twenty million dollars and for one year,

2103
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 2: maybe two, he's going to be able to go and

2104
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 2: play up top for you. And you can do that,

2105
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:15,719
Speaker 2: and you can put Kyle Duggar back where he belongs.

2106
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 2: Jabrill Peppers is your third saved Okay, and everybody fits back.

2107
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 2: This is my point.

2108
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 1: Don't pay Kyle Dugger to make him free safety, and

2109
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: don't pay Kyle Dugger to make Dabrill Peppers a free safety.

2110
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 1: Stop playing guys out of position.

2111
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 2: I think what they're doing so I think that they

2112
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 2: want to get back to that three safety.

2113
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 1: So if they do that, great, And again my take

2114
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 1: was never get rid of Kyle Dugger. But and this

2115
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,839
Speaker 1: is a separate take, if they lose.

2116
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 2: Mike O on Winnu, I'm gonna be annoyed.

2117
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 1: Okay, that's just if they I think they could have

2118
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 1: kept I think they could have kept Kyle Dugger without

2119
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,719
Speaker 1: the tag. I don't know that keeping Mike and winning

2120
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 1: without the tag is as realistic as maybe it sounds.

2121
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 2: That's fair. I So I think that the Patriots, I

2122
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:54,720
Speaker 2: don't know this for a fact, but I think at

2123
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 2: some point in this offseason. Yeah, we talked a lot

2124
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,639
Speaker 2: about Cam Kitchens today. He's another guy that can play

2125
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 2: that role. I think at some point they are going

2126
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,759
Speaker 2: to add a center fielder, okay, and they are gonna

2127
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 2: put they are gonna want this couple of things that

2128
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Covington said when he was talking to us in

2129
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 2: his introductory press conference is they want to be faster,

2130
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 2: They want to be they want to turn the ball

2131
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 2: over more. I think that's a big one, turn the

2132
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 2: ball over more. If you can put Kyle Duggar and

2133
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 2: Jabriel Pepper's back near the football together, now you have

2134
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 2: two guys that can go get the football and can

2135
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 2: make plays on the football, and then you have the

2136
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 2: guy playing post you know, the Deron Harmon playing post

2137
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,960
Speaker 2: safety and he's just doing his job back then. And

2138
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 2: I think that's sort of what the the idea is.

2139
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 2: Will they be at the top of the market of

2140
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 2: you know, Xavier McKinney, who's probably gonna make some money,

2141
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe it's Justin Simmons, who is now

2142
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 2: a depreciated asset, you know what I mean.

2143
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 1: I would take Simmons Simmons, you make it sound like

2144
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 1: Simmons is a consolation prize.

2145
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go that far. I'm not saying he's a

2146
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 2: constellation prize. He's just older and and isn't you know at.

2147
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 1: The time, all right, but he gets you through. But

2148
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:02,680
Speaker 1: he gets you through until you can draft a guy

2149
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 1: or whatever. The one other guy is Geno Stone. I

2150
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 1: wonder if they'd yeah.

2151
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 2: Any one of those guys. I think those guys are

2152
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 2: all in play, and I do think that they want

2153
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 2: to get back to the Devin McCarty thing, and I

2154
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 2: think it relates back to Drod Mayo played in some

2155
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:20,639
Speaker 2: of those defenses with Chung mccordy Harmon, and they had

2156
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 2: very specific this was your job, Yeah, this is your

2157
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 2: job on third down. We all knew, and Devin McCarty

2158
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 2: told me this at the beginning of last year, which

2159
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 2: was what he felt was gonna be the biggest hurdle

2160
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 2: for the group last year was when the money is

2161
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 2: on the line and it's third down in the game

2162
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:40,640
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, who's doing what? Whose responsibility is

2163
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 2: what this? I think they would like to define the

2164
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 2: roles a little bit better back there than what they

2165
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:47,720
Speaker 2: had this year. So I think you're getting your free safety.

2166
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 1: If I get the free look, it's it's essentially two

2167
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 1: different takes a long way of telling you that I

2168
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 1: think you're gonna get what you want. I want them

2169
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: to add a free safety and that would be great.

2170
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 1: I just I worry about what the line's gonna look

2171
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:00,120
Speaker 1: like without.

2172
01:35:59,880 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 2: My Okay, So let's talk about mike on Winner. That's

2173
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 2: obviously the other big one to drop. And I say

2174
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 2: this as somebody that I think Mike on Win who

2175
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 2: can play in any in any scheme, and I think

2176
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 2: he's a really rock solid offensive lineman. I talked to

2177
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 2: Brandon Thorn, you know, Brandon Thorn, right offensive line guru

2178
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 2: hopefully J J. McCarthy. Is he?

2179
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:29,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think I know who's a Thorn.

2180
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, different guy. Okay, Yeah, So Brandon Thorn trust his

2181
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 2: eye on offensive line a ton and uh he We

2182
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,040
Speaker 2: were talking about the different options for the Patriots and whatnot,

2183
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,759
Speaker 2: and he's he told me that he watched every single

2184
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 2: snap Mike on When who played at tackle last year,

2185
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 2: and he said that his pass protection tape was terrible

2186
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 2: at right tackle. I just I don't see Mike on

2187
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 2: Win who as a tackle, and I look at this regime,

2188
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 2: and I know they want to be more wide zone heavy.

2189
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 2: I know they want to do that more under AVP.

2190
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 2: That that that's really what Cleveland was all about until

2191
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 2: they couldn't be all about that. And I really feel

2192
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 2: like you have to have the conversation of positional value

2193
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 2: at guard and scheme fit with Mike on went who.

2194
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 2: I don't think it probably turns out that it doesn't matter, right,

2195
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 2: Like he's good enough that it probably doesn't matter. But

2196
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 2: I do wonder where they're at in terms of his

2197
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 2: overall value when you factor in the whole big picture.

2198
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,679
Speaker 2: Is making mike on Winno an eighteen million dollar guard

2199
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 2: the best thing for this team? I think? But you said,

2200
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 2: like you think he can play to I just I

2201
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 2: don't think he can play tackle, not in this offense.

2202
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:47,680
Speaker 2: I think he's a guard one hundred. Is he a

2203
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 2: better option in this offense than Calvin Anderson or for

2204
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 2: Darien Low, Well, yeah, but like they're gonna do better

2205
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:56,800
Speaker 2: than that. There's not much in terms of options. There

2206
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 2: aren't much to do.

2207
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 1: There's a million unless you had a home run in

2208
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 1: the draft, But like you got to nail that pick now,

2209
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,639
Speaker 1: and does that become thirty four.

2210
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 2: Now what are you doing at receiver? Yeah, I think

2211
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:10,680
Speaker 2: it becomes thirty four. I would think your receiver. We

2212
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:13,720
Speaker 2: talked about this. They can get receivers at sixty eight.

2213
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 2: They can get they can get receivers in this class

2214
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 2: at sixty eight. They can And I just I worry

2215
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 2: about him at tackle. I think he's a guard. I

2216
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 2: think putting him out at tackle is really was He's

2217
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 2: a guard that can play tackle in a pinch. Yeah,

2218
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 2: he's not a tackle that can also play guard, right

2219
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 2: like that, that's the way that he goes.

2220
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 1: I just i'd I think you could get a year

2221
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 1: out of him. I think a year of Mike and

2222
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 1: winnow with tackles better than what most of the alternatives

2223
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 1: would be this year. And if you're gonna have a

2224
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback, I don't want to fire Droll in the

2225
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 1: offensive line.

2226
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 2: Again, that's the last thing you need. That's the last

2227
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 2: year you need. You're like, you're right, you know, like

2228
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:56,640
Speaker 2: your opinion is going to be looked at as the

2229
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 2: right one. I get it. I just think that when

2230
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 2: you talk about building a and you talk about where

2231
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 2: you're putting in your resources, Mike on Win, who has

2232
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:09,519
Speaker 2: to play guard in this system, and I it's a

2233
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 2: lot of money to pay a guard.

2234
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:14,599
Speaker 1: They might need a guard, they might need a guard.

2235
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 1: We still don't know who the right guard is. And

2236
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 1: mass Live report over the weekend that Cole Stranger isn't

2237
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 1: gonna be ready for spring practices and they're worried about

2238
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:21,559
Speaker 1: the guard depth.

2239
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 2: Okay, so here here's the thing with with that. If

2240
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:29,240
Speaker 2: they're telling me that left guard, because I think Mike

2241
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:31,280
Speaker 2: on win is a right guard. I think that's where

2242
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 2: he's at his best is at right guard. If you're

2243
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 2: gonna put Mike on Win who at right guard, and yes,

2244
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 2: you're gonna pay a premium for a guard, but because

2245
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 2: he's one of your core players or cornerstone players, the

2246
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:44,600
Speaker 2: words that Elliott you uh wolf used, I think is

2247
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 2: cornerstone players. Fine, totally fine with that. You know me,

2248
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 2: I'm offensive line guy. I'm totally fine with that. I

2249
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 2: think one of the biggest mistakes they've ever made is

2250
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 2: letting Joe Touny walk like that. That was a huge mistake.

2251
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 2: So if you're gonna pay Mike on win who and

2252
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,320
Speaker 2: you're gonna play him in the right spot, and you're

2253
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 2: just gonna say this is one of our guys that

2254
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 2: we're building around. Totally cool with that. Left guard needs

2255
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:08,880
Speaker 2: to be up for grabs. It ain't Cole Strange's job

2256
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 2: because City So. I think Citisow had better film than

2257
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 2: col Strange has over the first two years. So I

2258
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 2: would put city So at left. I put Michael one

2259
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:20,240
Speaker 2: Who at right. You obviously have David Andrews in the middle.

2260
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:21,759
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good start.

2261
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 1: I yet, I just I I really worry about what

2262
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:29,679
Speaker 1: it's gonna look like with a young quarterback back there

2263
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 1: with it.

2264
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:31,760
Speaker 2: If you take mikeel and went who out, we don't

2265
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 2: know a Cole stream. I'm not taking Mike on Win

2266
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:35,759
Speaker 2: who out. I'm just I don't want to pay a tackle.

2267
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to play him at tackle. I would

2268
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:40,880
Speaker 2: for the year just because I don't. I don't think

2269
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 2: it's not a good option, but I think the other

2270
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:46,759
Speaker 2: options are worse. When you if they had a solid

2271
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 2: do you think let me ask you this, do you

2272
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:51,680
Speaker 2: think Jonah Williams is worse? Okay, what are you doing

2273
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:54,240
Speaker 2: at left tackle? Well it's not the question, no, but

2274
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:55,680
Speaker 2: here so let me say what I was about. What

2275
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 2: I was about to say was if they had a

2276
01:40:57,320 --> 01:41:00,000
Speaker 2: left tackle, I'd be totally on board with you, right,

2277
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:04,320
Speaker 2: because you can add one starting tackle. And we always

2278
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 2: talk about this right four the five. If you're four

2279
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:08,519
Speaker 2: the five, you can cover up the fifth spot. I

2280
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 2: think that's part of the reason. I think on Win,

2281
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:12,040
Speaker 2: who's a better tackle than you do Also just because

2282
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 2: I think he was overcompensating for a lot last year

2283
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:15,560
Speaker 2: and I think that hurt him maybe. I mean, he

2284
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 2: he gives up his edge a lot, he gets running

2285
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 2: around a lot.

2286
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 1: I look at all right, if there's one spot you're

2287
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 1: gonna cover up, you have to four the five. Okay,

2288
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:27,800
Speaker 1: So you signed Johan Williams. That's one tackle, yep? Are

2289
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 1: you also signing Tyron Smith? Are you banking? Are you

2290
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 1: so sure at thirty four you're gonna get a starting

2291
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 1: caliber tackle?

2292
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 2: I would say that your going because.

2293
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 1: You're already probably covering up at one of your guard spots. Why,

2294
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 1: because we don't know col Strange is gonna be ready

2295
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 1: to start season. I'm out with Cole Strange, all right,

2296
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 1: So you're covering up at left guard?

2297
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:47,760
Speaker 2: Then, no, you're playing city at left guard?

2298
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:49,400
Speaker 1: Right? What are you doing the right guard? Mike on Winning,

2299
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 1: he was saying, I phone win who doesn't come back?

2300
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:52,680
Speaker 1: Why is on one who not coming back? Because this

2301
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 1: was your your hype that you signed Joana Williams. Are

2302
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:56,599
Speaker 1: you signing Joan Williams and Mike O on win who?

2303
01:41:56,760 --> 01:42:01,600
Speaker 2: Yes? Oh, I'd be okay with that, thank you. Just

2304
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:04,439
Speaker 2: don't play on when tackle not in this system, it

2305
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:08,200
Speaker 2: doesn't work. I don't like it on wheny at guard,

2306
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 2: Jonah Williams at right tackle. I think Joonah Williams is

2307
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:15,679
Speaker 2: a right tackle. Ideally, worst case scenario, if the rookie

2308
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 2: isn't ready, then you can flip Jonah to the left side,

2309
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:20,720
Speaker 2: and Jonah's the left tackle for a year, and then

2310
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 2: who's a right tackle? Then you probably have to put

2311
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:25,360
Speaker 2: Mike back out of right tackle, which I don't like.

2312
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:28,719
Speaker 2: But if that that's like the that's the worst, okay.

2313
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 2: So to bring it back to the original point.

2314
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 1: To bring it back to the original point, yes, it

2315
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 1: all gets a lot harder without Mike go and winning

2316
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:35,639
Speaker 1: on the roster.

2317
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not letting him walk. I just want to

2318
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:40,960
Speaker 2: make sure that we are aware of where he's going

2319
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:44,280
Speaker 2: to play. And the fact is is that your your

2320
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 2: allocation of resources of paying a right guard sixteen seventeen,

2321
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:52,720
Speaker 2: eighteen million dollars isn't great. It's fine, especially if you

2322
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 2: hit on the pick on the rookie right like, you

2323
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:55,640
Speaker 2: have to hit on that pick. I mean you have

2324
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 2: to hit it so basically just to to because we've

2325
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 2: been all over the place. Yeah, So to sum it up,

2326
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:03,760
Speaker 2: what I would do on the offensive line from left

2327
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:07,559
Speaker 2: to right life left tackle probably a rookie yeap worst

2328
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:11,519
Speaker 2: case scenario, left tackle Jonah Williams. Right, Yeah, left tackle,

2329
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 2: rookie left guard city so center David Andrews right guard,

2330
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 2: Big Mike, right tackle Joonah Williams. Yep. That's what I

2331
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 2: would do. And maybe on the left side, maybe you

2332
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:28,879
Speaker 2: sign somebody that's not that impressive, like a Jermaine iluminor

2333
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:31,559
Speaker 2: or something like that, just to have an extra insurance

2334
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 2: as an extra veteran.

2335
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 1: Well, no, I think the idea is Mike when winn

2336
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,040
Speaker 1: is your insurance because you can move Joan Williams back over.

2337
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 2: I would. And that's if the guy that you drafted

2338
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,679
Speaker 2: thirty four is not ready. You know, if Kingsley seem

2339
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 2: I tie is I had just said his name correctly

2340
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:48,080
Speaker 2: in the night Place. Sue Matta is not ready, then

2341
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:49,880
Speaker 2: you can have Joonah Williams play life go.

2342
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm so worried about left tackle being the

2343
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 1: question mark. I'm so worried about that. I'd sign Tyron Smith.

2344
01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: Get you through the year. He's not coming here, you

2345
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:01,759
Speaker 1: don't think so they can pay him the most. They

2346
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 1: You gotta use that money somebody. You gotta throw that

2347
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:06,320
Speaker 1: money at somebody. I give the bag Tyrant Smith for

2348
01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 1: a year. You get a year out of him. Kick

2349
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 1: the can down the road again at left tackle.

2350
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:13,400
Speaker 2: Whoever. You gotta got out of this draft with one

2351
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:16,040
Speaker 2: of these tackles organized the middle. Well, so you organize

2352
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 2: the middle however you want. And I guess, yeah, Mike, Yeah,

2353
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:22,920
Speaker 2: one of the one of the tackles you gotta draft

2354
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 2: to tackle, and one of them is gonna be one

2355
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 2: of your guys that you're counting on is going to

2356
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 2: be a rookie. But it got to hit on that

2357
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 2: page like it's a really good class. Yeah, it's a

2358
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:33,960
Speaker 2: really good class. And it's not like rookies don't play,

2359
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:36,320
Speaker 2: you know, he got rookies play all the time at

2360
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 2: that position, especially when you're there a highly touted, good rookie.

2361
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:44,320
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, Look, it's not perfect. It's not me

2362
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 2: as it is, Patrick Paul Ready, you should be playing

2363
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:49,519
Speaker 2: in college for like seventeen years.

2364
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 1: You don't know, because you don't know when you're going

2365
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:53,200
Speaker 1: through free agency. Who're you gonna have a shot at.

2366
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:54,720
Speaker 1: What if there's a run on tackle and you plan

2367
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:57,679
Speaker 1: on getting tackled at thirty four and then suddenly nobody's there,

2368
01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 1: Suddenly your guy's not there.

2369
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:00,760
Speaker 2: Like I just yeah, I hear you.

2370
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you can't start a rookie, but the

2371
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:07,639
Speaker 1: idea of I guess adding Joan Williams kind of helps.

2372
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:10,439
Speaker 1: Like if you don't have one of Mike, Mike on Wenu,

2373
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:15,720
Speaker 1: Joonah Williams, Tyron Smith on your roster when you get

2374
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:18,000
Speaker 1: into the draft, that's terrifying to me.

2375
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I think you have to come out

2376
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 2: of this free agency class. I'd still retain Big Mike.

2377
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:25,679
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to tell people that I just don't

2378
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 2: think he's a tackle. That's it. And I it does

2379
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 2: scare me a little bit to pay a guard that much,

2380
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:31,360
Speaker 2: and that's I guess that's fine.

2381
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you we both agree, he's important

2382
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 1: to retain Yep. He's harder to retain than Kyle Duggars.

2383
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 1: So that's the guy you tag.

2384
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 2: That's my point. Only what thing I wonder about that

2385
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:43,760
Speaker 2: is how close they are with Mike On when you

2386
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 2: want a contract. All the reports make it sound like

2387
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 2: they're not.

2388
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 1: Well, maybe maybe reports are right, But the other thing

2389
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:51,400
Speaker 1: you have to remember if they come out Roger still

2390
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 1: tonight announced an extension with On when and we just

2391
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 1: wasted ten minutes?

2392
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:56,960
Speaker 2: Wells of the thing you have to remember is that

2393
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:01,519
Speaker 2: he doesn't have an agent. So unless you're getting stept

2394
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:05,160
Speaker 2: from the Patriots side, and maybe you are, there's that

2395
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:09,599
Speaker 2: one reporter that's in with Mike on went advisors. It's

2396
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:12,000
Speaker 2: not him individually, but there's not a lot of people

2397
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:14,720
Speaker 2: like there's not all this information as time of year

2398
01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:17,479
Speaker 2: comes from the agent, all of it and there's there's

2399
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 2: no agent involved. So it's been pretty quiet. I would say,

2400
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 2: like there's maybe some rumblings. I don't know. I'm with you.

2401
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 2: They can't let they can't let good offensive talent walk

2402
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 2: on the offensive line like they have the last couple

2403
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:30,559
Speaker 2: of years. The trade shack Mason, let Ted Carris go,

2404
01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:33,760
Speaker 2: let Joe Toney go. You can't keep doing that. But

2405
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:37,360
Speaker 2: I do think they need two tackles. Yeah, I mean yeah,

2406
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:38,920
Speaker 2: they do know they need to. I mean that's not

2407
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 2: a take. That's what they need. They don't have any time.

2408
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:44,679
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about two guys that can start at tackle. Yeah, yeah,

2409
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:46,519
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a take. I think that's just factual.

2410
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:52,960
Speaker 2: But if you're okay, if you're gonna play Mike right tackle, yeah,

2411
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:56,840
Speaker 2: all right. I I just I will die on this

2412
01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:59,679
Speaker 2: hill about him being a guard. I'll die on this hill.

2413
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean, their lying didn't get monumentally better when they

2414
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:03,719
Speaker 1: move from to tackle last year or anything.

2415
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 2: So all right, Uh, the last couple of minutes here,

2416
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 2: let's talk about the external guys. Where are you on? So?

2417
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:15,519
Speaker 2: Where are you on this receiver class in free agency?

2418
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 2: Is there anybody that interests you? Anyone that tickles your fancy?

2419
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley, let's start there, like, are you a no

2420
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 2: on Calvin Ridley?

2421
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:25,439
Speaker 1: Well, here's if you're gonna be taking tackle at thirty four,

2422
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:26,880
Speaker 1: I think you need to sign him as the bridge guy.

2423
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 2: But that's the thing.

2424
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:29,000
Speaker 1: I think he's a bridge guy. He's gonna be thirty.

2425
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't think he solves your long term and you're

2426
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:33,559
Speaker 1: not quarterback. You have to solve long term because that's

2427
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:35,360
Speaker 1: you don't bridge quarterback. That's just not what you do.

2428
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 1: Not in the sense of the other positions. You can't

2429
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 1: solve tackling wide receiver both long term, and I just

2430
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 1: I don't see this offseason. I don't see a long

2431
01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:47,400
Speaker 1: term answer unless you let me rephrase that, unless you

2432
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:50,719
Speaker 1: find your Pookinakua, right, yeah, you're not going to clearly

2433
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 1: walk away from the off season tackle locked up long

2434
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:54,880
Speaker 1: term and receiver locked up long term.

2435
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 2: I was hoping maybe strayed down and don't take the quarterback.

2436
01:47:57,880 --> 01:47:59,479
Speaker 1: Now you gotta take quarterback. I'm just saying, you gotta

2437
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 1: take quarterback. That's that's a non starter for me, Okay,

2438
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:03,920
Speaker 1: is it not a non starter for you?

2439
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:08,040
Speaker 2: It's not a non starter. Like I I the trade

2440
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:11,000
Speaker 2: down scenarios are intriguing. This is a whole different thing

2441
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:12,800
Speaker 2: that we shouldn't get into. Yeah, the last eight minutes

2442
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 2: the show, but trade.

2443
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:17,200
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley's a bridge guy. Everybody else I look at

2444
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:20,320
Speaker 1: like Darnol Mooney to me is a nope, gadgety player.

2445
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 1: Marky Sprown's way too small don't trust.

2446
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 2: That Gave Davis gonna get overpaid. Gave David.

2447
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 1: I want nothing to do with Gave Davis. He's the

2448
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:29,040
Speaker 1: most inconsistent player in the league, you know how.

2449
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 2: I hate that he's gonna get unpaid on like the

2450
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 2: three games a year that he's not right. Nothing to

2451
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 2: do with Gay. Yeah, well I did this number.

2452
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:37,479
Speaker 1: I think it's forty seven percent of his receiving yards

2453
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 1: came in three games last year. Yeah, absolutely not, absolutely not.

2454
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 1: Chefter flowed and Michael Thomas did not realize he was

2455
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:43,759
Speaker 1: still in the NFL.

2456
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:44,400
Speaker 2: Slam boy.

2457
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's two guys that interest me. But they interest

2458
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:49,120
Speaker 1: me is and I know this is what nobody wants

2459
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:51,320
Speaker 1: to hear. They interest me as the guy next to

2460
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:53,559
Speaker 1: the guy. If you could trade up and sounds like

2461
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:55,400
Speaker 1: you don't want to do this, But if you trade

2462
01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:57,479
Speaker 1: up and you get Brian Thomas, if you trade up

2463
01:48:57,520 --> 01:48:59,639
Speaker 1: you get Ady Mitchell, that's your wide receiver one, that's

2464
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 1: the that's your dude. You still need a good number two.

2465
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:04,439
Speaker 1: And like I like Kendrick Bourne in that role. I

2466
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:06,439
Speaker 1: don't know if he comes back. The two guys I

2467
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:08,639
Speaker 1: like is like solid wide receiver twos. But I wouldn't

2468
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 1: add solve the problem. These are not replacements for DeVante Parker.

2469
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:15,599
Speaker 1: These are additions. Are Josh Reynolds and Donovan People's jokes.

2470
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:16,680
Speaker 2: I like Josh Reynolds.

2471
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 1: Josh Reynolds had himself a nice season. I think he

2472
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 1: made himself some money. But he's twenty nine. I think

2473
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:23,200
Speaker 1: he is what he is at this point. I think

2474
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:25,439
Speaker 1: that season was like his peak. You're not going up

2475
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 1: from there. Donin Peoples Jones is younger, he's twenty five.

2476
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,080
Speaker 1: He did have an eight hundred yard season under Alex

2477
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:33,559
Speaker 1: man Pelt. But you're banking on projection there. You're you're

2478
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 1: paying for a projection, You're not paying for performance.

2479
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:42,559
Speaker 2: I like Josh Reynolds. Tough, goes over the middle, blocks, yeah, runs, routes,

2480
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:45,680
Speaker 2: strong hands like I like Josh Reynolds. I think he's

2481
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 2: a really good, complimentary player.

2482
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:49,400
Speaker 1: That's the what I was looking for. Like, these are

2483
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:51,639
Speaker 1: complimentary guys. These are not, Hey, we got our guy,

2484
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 1: We're good.

2485
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 2: I like Calvin Ridley. For them, it's gonna cost a

2486
01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:58,439
Speaker 2: lot of money because he doesn't solve anything. The reason

2487
01:49:58,439 --> 01:50:00,680
Speaker 2: why I like Calvin Ridley is that if you do

2488
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:03,599
Speaker 2: draft the quarterback, which I think we both think they should.

2489
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:06,840
Speaker 2: I think you have to have one. You have to

2490
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:08,920
Speaker 2: have one NFL player in that room, all right. So,

2491
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 2: and I'm not holding that against Pop Douglas or anything

2492
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:13,240
Speaker 2: like that, but like you have to have you have

2493
01:50:13,240 --> 01:50:15,080
Speaker 2: to veteran. You have to have one veteran who's a

2494
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 2: dude that's a thousand yard seasons, that's that's a player.

2495
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:19,280
Speaker 2: So let me say this.

2496
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:24,760
Speaker 1: If they do your playing where it's quarterback tackle, yep, yes,

2497
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:25,759
Speaker 1: sign Calvin Ridley.

2498
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:26,519
Speaker 2: He's the bridge guy.

2499
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:28,799
Speaker 1: But I don't want to sign count Like next offseason,

2500
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:30,800
Speaker 1: We're I don't care that Calvin Ridley's here. We're getting

2501
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:33,320
Speaker 1: back to if the quarterback they takes to hit the tackle,

2502
01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:35,440
Speaker 1: they takes a hit, we are going receiver.

2503
01:50:35,200 --> 01:50:36,920
Speaker 2: Receiver, receiver at the top of the draft next year.

2504
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,320
Speaker 2: That's all I want to hear. Well depending though, because

2505
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:42,800
Speaker 2: let's say no, no, because he's thirty, he's thirty. No,

2506
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:44,960
Speaker 2: just let me finish. Let's so the other thing I

2507
01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:47,200
Speaker 2: like about Calvin Ridley, and I know, you know, look,

2508
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:50,280
Speaker 2: he gambled on sports, so maybe not the best role model, Okay,

2509
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:53,639
Speaker 2: But in terms of like, let's say that they draft

2510
01:50:53,720 --> 01:50:56,760
Speaker 2: at sixty eight. Let's say they draft Xavier Lagett. Let's

2511
01:50:56,760 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 2: say they draft Ricky Piersoll. Let's say they draft, you know,

2512
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:03,559
Speaker 2: one of the Washington kids, whatever, whoever it is. That

2513
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:06,160
Speaker 2: guy now in a room with Calvin Ridley, who's a pro,

2514
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:08,960
Speaker 2: who's done it, who's had good production in the league,

2515
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:11,559
Speaker 2: you know, all of a sudden, you know, you start

2516
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:14,720
Speaker 2: to mentor that guy. Maybe this class at receiver is

2517
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:17,759
Speaker 2: so loaded and it's so deep that there's a chance

2518
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:20,920
Speaker 2: that you could get sixty Eight's essentially like a low

2519
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:22,960
Speaker 2: second round pick, right, it's like the top of the

2520
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:26,400
Speaker 2: third round. So there's a chance that this year the

2521
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:29,479
Speaker 2: sixth the receiver you're getting at sixty eight is actually

2522
01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:31,479
Speaker 2: a receiver that you would get in the second round

2523
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:33,840
Speaker 2: in most years. And now, all of a sudden, that guy,

2524
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:35,599
Speaker 2: that guy's a dude. So and that's fair.

2525
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:37,240
Speaker 1: And look, I'm not out on Cay. I think I

2526
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:38,760
Speaker 1: was more dismissive than I actually am.

2527
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:39,360
Speaker 2: I just.

2528
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:44,000
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley is not. You know, we talk about the

2529
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:46,719
Speaker 1: draction the quarterback and then getting him the receiver. It's

2530
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:51,280
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase ye in two and Jalen Waddle and.

2531
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 2: He's he's a probably like a mid tier number one.

2532
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 1: No, but here's a I don't he's not He's not

2533
01:51:57,560 --> 01:51:59,920
Speaker 1: that guy. He's the guy before that guy.

2534
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:02,000
Speaker 2: No, he's not that guy. He is bridging you to

2535
01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:04,640
Speaker 2: that guy because you can't get that. I'm hoping. I

2536
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:07,240
Speaker 2: just that that's my view. I would not get Calvin

2537
01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 2: Ridley five years.

2538
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:10,519
Speaker 1: No, I give him three. I give him three, and

2539
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that I guarantee the third.

2540
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:16,240
Speaker 2: I give him three. And you hope that this receiver

2541
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:18,920
Speaker 2: class is so good now, whether it's at thirty four,

2542
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:21,160
Speaker 2: it's at sixty eight, or however, you you dice it up,

2543
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:23,800
Speaker 2: you get the receiver and he ends up. You hit

2544
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:24,799
Speaker 2: on a Day two receiver.

2545
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:28,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, Christian Watson in Green Bay, right, you hit is

2546
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:29,280
Speaker 1: Christian Watson?

2547
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:32,120
Speaker 2: Even Yeah, I guess he is that guy for them.

2548
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:34,479
Speaker 2: I guess he is. I mean they have Christian Watson,

2549
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:36,519
Speaker 2: they have Romeo Dobbs, they have Jayden Reed.

2550
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 1: Maybe. Sorry, So maybe the draft pick pans out, But

2551
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't think you're coming out of the off season.

2552
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 1: Maybe you come out of the season at the end

2553
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 1: of the season pans out. I don't think you're Yeah,

2554
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:45,880
Speaker 1: there's a gear I don't think it's guaranteed that next

2555
01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:48,519
Speaker 1: year we're sitting there saying wide receiver one's taken care of. No,

2556
01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't think signing Calvin Ridley answers that question.

2557
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:54,040
Speaker 2: Not necessarily, but I think you're sitting there next year saying,

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01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:57,000
Speaker 2: you still have Calvin Ridley under contract, you have a

2559
01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 2: really good player in Xavier Lagett, who's a young player

2560
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:02,000
Speaker 2: that you're really excited about. And then maybe you're still

2561
01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:04,880
Speaker 2: taking another receiver, but now that receiver is coming in

2562
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:06,519
Speaker 2: to be your Jamar Chase. And now all of a

2563
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:09,280
Speaker 2: sudden you're the Bengals and you have three receivers. Now

2564
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:13,160
Speaker 2: you're cooking with gas. I like the idea of Calvin Ridley,

2565
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 2: I do. I don't like Darnel Mooney, Gabe Davis, all

2566
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,439
Speaker 2: that tier you can you can take it or leave it. Yeah,

2567
01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:21,800
Speaker 2: it's Kendrick Bourne, it's Nelson Agalore, it's it's those at

2568
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:22,160
Speaker 2: that point.

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01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:24,720
Speaker 1: Pay Kendrick Bourne at that point, or go down and

2570
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:27,280
Speaker 1: get Josh Reynolds. Ordonne, do you have any interest in

2571
01:53:27,600 --> 01:53:28,320
Speaker 1: DPJ or now?

2572
01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, because of his experience with a VP, and you

2573
01:53:31,120 --> 01:53:32,720
Speaker 2: know the production that he had in the one year

2574
01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 2: with AVP it's it's not a terrible idea. Uh, last

2575
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:39,360
Speaker 2: one tight end just really quickly. I hear a lot

2576
01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:40,920
Speaker 2: that this is in a very good free agent tight

2577
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 2: end class. It's not great, like, it's not not telling

2578
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 2: you it's like this elite like there's all these tight

2579
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,880
Speaker 2: ends available. But I I guess when you know with

2580
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:49,960
Speaker 2: Dalton Schultz out of it, it's a little bit worse.

2581
01:53:50,240 --> 01:53:52,679
Speaker 2: I I do like Gerald Everett, I do like Noah

2582
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:55,320
Speaker 2: fan for them. I do like some of these guys

2583
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:58,160
Speaker 2: that have had some experience in Cleveland, like a Harrison Brian,

2584
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:01,360
Speaker 2: Austin Hooper, like those types of players. I'm not telling you,

2585
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:04,200
Speaker 2: and obviously Hunter Henry like i'd bring Hunter Henry back right.

2586
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:06,040
Speaker 2: I'm not sitting here telling you that you're gonna get

2587
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:08,519
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey out of this free agency class. But can

2588
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:11,120
Speaker 2: we kick the can down the road on tight end

2589
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:14,439
Speaker 2: in a bad tight end draft and get out of

2590
01:54:14,439 --> 01:54:16,760
Speaker 2: here with at least one or two guys that can

2591
01:54:16,760 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 2: play the position for the twenty twenty four season. I

2592
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:20,760
Speaker 2: think the answer you got you gotta sign a starting

2593
01:54:20,760 --> 01:54:22,200
Speaker 2: tight end. Don't think you're getting starting tight end in

2594
01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:22,639
Speaker 2: the draft.

2595
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:24,200
Speaker 1: I just don't think as much as I like your

2596
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 1: TV on Sanders, I wonder how realistic he is for

2597
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:27,400
Speaker 1: them at this point with the way.

2598
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:29,559
Speaker 2: For agency's going. Yeah, I really like no offense.

2599
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:32,280
Speaker 1: I just think he's a He's that kind of athletic,

2600
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:34,320
Speaker 1: well rounded tight end that plays well in this system.

2601
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, last, last, last, last thing. You could

2602
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:40,320
Speaker 2: have one player out of this free agency class Monday

2603
01:54:40,840 --> 01:54:45,760
Speaker 2: twelve noon hits, rap sheeting, chefs, Okay, besides Chris Johnes,

2604
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 2: because he tweeted earlier that like I saw that, I know.

2605
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:52,160
Speaker 2: I just yeah, you could have one player when the

2606
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:55,320
Speaker 2: when noon hits and rap sheet and schefter, I'll unload

2607
01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:57,760
Speaker 2: all the drafts that have been sitting there since the combine.

2608
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:00,440
Speaker 2: Who do you want going to the Patriot? It's number

2609
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 2: one target?

2610
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:05,040
Speaker 1: So well, I think the best player would be Christian Wilkins.

2611
01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm with you, obviously, but I want the tackle things.

2612
01:55:08,280 --> 01:55:09,560
Speaker 1: I want to know they have a tackle. I want

2613
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:12,920
Speaker 1: to know they have what like Tyron Smith, Tyron Smith, Joonaways, Mike.

2614
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 1: Give me one of those three guys. I know you

2615
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:16,640
Speaker 1: don't think on winners a tackle, but give me one

2616
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:18,200
Speaker 1: of those three guys. I would just give us one

2617
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:21,280
Speaker 1: of the two actual fine Joanah Williams, Tyron Smith. Let

2618
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 1: me hit that notification and then I can breathe and

2619
01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:25,040
Speaker 1: I can be a little more excited when they pay

2620
01:55:25,120 --> 01:55:27,280
Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins instead of being like, shoot, does this mean

2621
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:28,120
Speaker 1: they're not paying a tackle?

2622
01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:32,760
Speaker 2: Christian Wilkins, local kid, great player, Him and Barmore next

2623
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:35,920
Speaker 2: to each other. Good luck to offensive lines on the interior.

2624
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:39,040
Speaker 2: That's how you do free agency. Go after the talent.

2625
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:41,720
Speaker 2: Don't chase the position just because a guy plays receiver,

2626
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:44,800
Speaker 2: just because he plays tackle. The classes stink. Don't do it?

2627
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:45,920
Speaker 2: Can I can?

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01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:47,520
Speaker 1: I give you my one sleeper And I don't think

2629
01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:49,040
Speaker 1: this is going to happen, but I would love for

2630
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:49,800
Speaker 1: them to make the call.

2631
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steph Gilmore, sure, I think they need I'm all

2632
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:55,840
Speaker 2: for paying defensive time. They need a second boundary corner well,

2633
01:55:55,880 --> 01:55:57,840
Speaker 2: but more than that, like they need a second boundary corner.

2634
01:55:57,880 --> 01:55:58,560
Speaker 2: He fills the role.

2635
01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:01,600
Speaker 1: Imagine you talk about the wide receiver getting learn from

2636
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:04,640
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley. Imagine Christian Zalez getting learn from Steph Gilmore

2637
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:06,760
Speaker 1: gives you a good second boundary corner for the year

2638
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:09,640
Speaker 1: and is a great influence on Gonzaalz. I'd love to

2639
01:56:09,640 --> 01:56:10,720
Speaker 1: see Steph Gilmore back here.

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01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:13,080
Speaker 2: I love it awesome. All right, Alex and I will

2641
01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:15,600
Speaker 2: be back next week, probably back to our regular time.

2642
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:18,280
Speaker 2: Not sure yet, we'll find out. We'll talk obviously all

2643
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:20,120
Speaker 2: about free agency. Next week. We'll have to put a

2644
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:22,080
Speaker 2: pause on the draft. I'm sorry. I know That's why.

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01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:24,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll still. I'll probably talk a little draft,

2646
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:26,760
Speaker 2: but we're gonna be really free agency heavy next week.

2647
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:28,760
Speaker 2: We all sorts of free agency stuff planned here on

2648
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:31,800
Speaker 2: Patriots dot com for next week, probably an emergency podcast

2649
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:35,000
Speaker 2: maybe Morrell if we have to on Monday, and then Tuesday, Thursday,

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01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:37,360
Speaker 2: PU and Cash twenty two. So we'll see you guys

2651
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:43,680
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