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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff,

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Speaker 2: your weekly podcast that once every now and then is

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Speaker 2: rerun episode like today, I took a week off so

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Speaker 2: that someone could cut into my face to remove teeth

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Speaker 2: at my request, and so I'm running a rerun. But

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Speaker 2: it's a very special week because it's Mayday week, my

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Speaker 2: favorite holiday besides the other holidays that I really like,

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Speaker 2: which I also talk about a lot on this show,

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Speaker 2: but this one is May Day. Well, not today as

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Speaker 2: this is released, but this week as it's released, the

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Speaker 2: international workers holiday that comes from a really cool background,

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Speaker 2: a little bit tragic. They do call it the Haymarket tragedy.

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Speaker 2: But if you've listened to the show before, you know

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Speaker 2: that I'm not afraid of thinking tragedy is cool. That

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Speaker 2: sounds weird, but this is the first ever episode that

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Speaker 2: it's about May Day.

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Speaker 3: Here you go.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Margaret Kiljoyan. Each week I take you way back into

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Speaker 2: history to find people who were cool, who did stuff

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Speaker 2: that was cool because they were cool, so they did

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Speaker 2: cool stuff. This is part two of a two part

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Speaker 2: series about heymarket the bomb that brings us the modern

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Speaker 2: labor movement. So if you haven't already, you might want

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Speaker 2: to do yourself a favor and go back and listen

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Speaker 2: to part one.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not the boss of you. Do whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: And my guest this week is none other than Robert Evans. Robert, Hey,

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Speaker 2: what's the what's the best way to describe you?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 3: I am the boss of you? And if you listen

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Speaker 3: to this one before listening to the first one, I

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Speaker 3: will wreak a terrible vengeance upon your soul. Hell, And

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Speaker 3: that's who I am. That's all I am is a force,

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Speaker 3: a force for revenge of content. It's unclear what I am, Margaret,

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Speaker 3: but I'm here to talk with you about this story.

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Speaker 2: And other people who were forces for revenge in their

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, And the fact that revenge can

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Speaker 3: sometimes lead to people being harmed that you didn't intend

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Speaker 3: to harm, because once the consequences of actions can be unpredictable, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And we also have our producer Sophie here. Sophie, you

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Speaker 2: want to say Hi?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert, who Sophie, Robert, Sophie, Margaret, Hi.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Okay, so we're going to get back to it.

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Speaker 2: Where we last left our heroes. Two hundred folks were

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Speaker 2: at an anarchist rally in Chicago. Cops had shown up,

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Speaker 2: someone had thrown a bomb, and I was pretty proud

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Speaker 1: Cliffhanger, Yeah, great first week Cliffhanger.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmmm, all sakes solid. Sylvester Stallone film Cliffhanger. Oh,

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Speaker 3: good movie. Not enough mountain climbing thrillers these days.

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Speaker 2: Their bombs in it.

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Speaker 3: I think there might have been. Actually, there's definitely like

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Speaker 2: So much like the bomb in the movie Cliffhanger, which

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Speaker 2: I've definitely seen this bombly, Yes, Yeah, his bomb shattered

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Speaker 2: And so because some of the anarchists were armed, right,

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Speaker 2: the anarchists at the time were often armed, and some

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Speaker 3: That's just all such cop shit.

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Speaker 2: This is like the it's not the origin of cop shit,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god. And that's how six of them went out,

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Speaker 2: So it's called a riot, but it wasn't a riot.

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Speaker 2: It was either a short and bloody massacre or at best,

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Speaker 3: There was no rioting at any point, really, yeah.

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Speaker 2: they all knew what would happen if they showed up

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Speaker 2: and said I was at this thing. Okay, So Samuel Fielden,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, boy, this is as a public speaker. This is

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Speaker 3: definitely a rough, rough, rough gig crowd.

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Speaker 2: I know, although, okay, I'll go ahead and spoil that

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Speaker 2: far as I can tell, a detective like snuck up

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Speaker 2: And yeah, so one of the things that's kind of

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Speaker 3: They were speaker up there like people are done. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's kind of weird to try and think

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Speaker 2: then attacked. His nickname was Blackjack because he liked beating

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Speaker 3: Be a breaking too many of their boats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it might have wound up a massacre either way,

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Speaker 2: whether or not the bomb was thrown, but it's it's

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Speaker 2: any of the Chago anarchists.

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Speaker 3: I'll bet he dropped a couple of them. Guns don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And so none of the anarchists who stood

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Speaker 2: In the years building up to Haymarket, one anarchist professor

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Speaker 3: Just always be a potential suicide bomber. That's how you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which seems like it would work, but eventually backfire.

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Speaker 3: You know, it seems like it would work briefly.

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Speaker 2: you carry a pistol my God. In another letter, another

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Speaker 2: person advocating for the use of dynamite wrote, dynamite of

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And so I bring this up because it's like,

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Speaker 3: That's probably a little bit. Look. Will dynamite stop you

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Speaker 3: that indiscriminately would destroy large chunks of a neighborhood if detonated, Perhaps.

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Speaker 2: Not right exactly. You just need to on threat modeling

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Speaker 3: something that's legally a pistol and concealed carry it in

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Speaker 3: case I get robbed, yeah, by obviously fighting vehicle on

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Speaker 3: pretend that's good, like a good idea.

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Speaker 2: Right, And I think at some level some of these

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's fun, because it's it sounds cool as shit. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Like that's definitely a character you want to put in

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Speaker 3: just like yeah, I mean you introduced him. He's like

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Speaker 2: It's true.

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Speaker 3: Well, I am literally a walking bomb. I always have

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Speaker 2: The Philadelphia Inquirer recommended a mailed hand to each of

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Speaker 3: It was like one of the five were talking about him.

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Speaker 3: They're talking about like hanging people, right. They're not saying, yes,

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Speaker 3: get them stoned, right, Okay? Yes?

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Speaker 2: In Chicago, the cops raided everywhere. They raided like fifty

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Speaker 2: kind of warrants, They didn't bother. The prosecutor who later

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hundreds of people were arrested and tortured. Many of

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Speaker 3: Some people to say, live in their heads, rent free

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Speaker 3: until you talked about all the folks that they tortured. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: For two months, all constitutional rights for everyone in Chicago

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Speaker 3: Well, this one's kind of bad to take my thin

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Speaker 2: Well, they broke into her house, tied up her six

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Jesus fucking Christ. Wow wow.

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Speaker 2: And then the third paper, dare anarchist, which means the anarchist.

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Speaker 2: He left Chicago. He made his way across the border

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Speaker 3: Of his days in peace, and well that's good.

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Speaker 2: they were accused of doing it, but they didn't say

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Speaker 2: And they came to him and they were like, look,

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Speaker 2: I know, I like this guy. And then Albert Parsons

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Speaker 2: The jury took three hours to return with a guilty verdict.

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Speaker 2: make examples of them, hang them, and you save our institutions,

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Speaker 3: Our institutions are valid because we are happy to violate

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Speaker 2: all of these things, but how he ended up basically

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00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: like friends with these people. Even he was like, I

440
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: don't I don't agree with what they want, but I

441
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 2: believe that they are like honest and upstanding people who

442
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: are doing what they believe is right.

443
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 3: And there's a lesson there too for anarchists in the

444
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 3: the value of speaking to moderates and sometimes they wind

445
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 3: up torpedoing their entire life to defend you. You know. Yep,

446
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 3: that's also a nice message to take out.

447
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 2: Totally Okay. So before the sentencing, they were each the

448
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 2: judge allowed each one to make a speech, and the

449
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 2: speech has lasted for days, mostly because Albert Parsons was there.

450
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 3: Right, but this guy, Yeah, I.

451
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 2: Feel bad making fun of this dude who's like he's

452
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 2: gonna die, He's gonna die.

453
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I mean, look, no speech at a protest

454
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 3: should last more than five minutes, but I think days

455
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 3: is the right amount of time for this sort of

456
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 3: speech to last. Yes, you can sit with it, you know.

457
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: And if you want to read these speeches, then they

458
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: are the Haymarket martyrs are the advertisers who support this

459
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: show because they're still alive and with us. And here

460
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Speaker 2: are the ads that they are providing to us for

461
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Speaker 2: you to hear.

462
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 3: Are you walking down the street with three to four

463
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 3: pounds of dynamite on your body? Why not? Oh, No,

464
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: one eight hundred dynamite today to buy enough dynamite to

465
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 3: protect yourself from anything except for dynamite which you'll be

466
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Speaker 3: much more vulnerable to.

467
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 2: Exactly. Here's the rest of the ads. Okay, we're back,

468
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: And if you want to hear the rest of the

469
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Speaker 2: speeches besides the ones that advertise on this show, I

470
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Speaker 2: recommend that you go. If there's one thing that you

471
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Speaker 2: follow up and read about Haymarket. The speeches are really

472
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 2: beautiful pieces. And now I get to introduce to you

473
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Speaker 2: all the defendants and it's kind of fun, kind of

474
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: interesting people. They're mostly German. Fortunately I can pronounce most

475
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: of their names. So August Spies went first. We met

476
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: him some already and he was the editor of the

477
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 2: arbiter Zetongue. He was the oldest of five kids. He

478
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 2: was born in central Germany. He was a Sagittarius. He

479
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: was a happy childhood. He was raised to be a

480
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 2: forester for the government like his dad until his dad died,

481
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 2: and then he left school and emigrated to the US,

482
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: and then he became an upholsterer. He opened his own shop.

483
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 2: He saw someone give a lecture on socialism and he

484
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that actually makes some sense. And then

485
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: that eighteen seventy seven strike happened and he was like, oh,

486
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: that really makes some sense. And soon enough he found

487
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: himself an anarchist and he joined the leirand ver Veren

488
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: and kind of ironically for the fight for the eight

489
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 2: hour workday, he works like twelve to sixteen hour days

490
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: at his German paper, and.

491
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Speaker 3: That is I mean, that's the thing with anarchists. It's like, no,

492
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 3: we don't want to work an eight hour work day,

493
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,479
Speaker 3: but if I'm doing the thing I want to do,

494
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: then I will work for like nineteen hours a day

495
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 3: of course. Yeah, I want to be doing exactly. Yeah.

496
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: And he's this guy and he actually keeps a circle

497
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: bomb on his desk in his office, and we don't

498
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: know whether or not the circle bomb was actually like

499
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: one of those old timey bombs circle and has a

500
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: little fuse coming out of it. That was probably the

501
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: type of bomb that was thrown at the cops. We

502
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: don't know whether or not the bomb in his office

503
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: had had any dynamite in it or not, And the

504
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: historical record would really like you to know that August

505
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 2: SPIE's was fucking hot.

506
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Speaker 3: That's good. Yeah, you know, I was going to ask,

507
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 3: because I'm incapable of actually caring about people if they

508
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: were not hot.

509
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: Right, well, you're in luck.

510
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 3: Actually, that's why I have created a new hot or

511
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 3: not that is specifically for the victims of war crimes,

512
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: so you can tell if you need to feel bad

513
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 3: about a specific war crime by knowing if they were

514
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 3: hot or not.

515
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: That's excellent. I look forward to using this service.

516
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: It's sponsored by Microsoft.

517
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Speaker 2: So August SPIE's was known as a ladies man. He's

518
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 2: one of the only people wasn't already married at the

519
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: start of all this thing. And he was, yeah, but

520
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: he was also he was sardonic and haughty, but he

521
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: also refused to lie. And he basically just like walked

522
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: around and he threw around his charisma and charmed.

523
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 3: Women and men and they did.

524
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: And he once spoke in front of Congress about socialism

525
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: and he just like went and he was like, yeah,

526
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: we're gonna have a revolution, and he was like.

527
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 3: You get this guy's number.

528
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: He was like, we're not going to make the revolution.

529
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 2: We're anticipating the revolution. We are His quote was birds

530
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: of the coming storm, and it.

531
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: Was oh, oh, oh, I know, I know, and that's good.

532
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: Someone in Congress is like, well, why do you hate

533
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: the individual with your socialism or whatever? And he's like,

534
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 2: are you kidding me? It's the capitalists who treat workers

535
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: like they're just cogs in the machine. And to quote

536
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: from his final address to the court, not to Congress,

537
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: but when he's sentenced to death. If you think that

538
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: by hanging us you can stamp out the labor movement,

539
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: the movement from which the downtroden millions, the million two

540
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: oil and live in want and misery, the wage slaves

541
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: expect salvation. If that is your opinion, then hang us here.

542
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: You will tread upon a spark. But here and there,

543
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: and behind us, and in front of you and everywhere,

544
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: the flames will blaze up. It is a subterranean fire.

545
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: You cannot put it out.

546
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: Holy shit, that's I know. That's that's hot girl shit. Yeah,

547
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 3: that's some hot girl shit. Yeah. Oh my god, did

548
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: he write did he do his own like writing. Is

549
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 3: this all him or does he have like, you know.

550
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's team. That's kind of his thing, is he's

551
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: he's one of the Yeah, the editors of these papers.

552
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 2: They're also like publishing their own shit a ton. Sure,

553
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: these people have been giving speeches and like writing propaganda.

554
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 2: That's like there their thing, you know. Which is why

555
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: I think that they're both leaders of the movement and

556
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: not is because they were actually more the propagandas who

557
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: got put on trial in this trial rather than like

558
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: necessarily the people who are organizing and like planning actions

559
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: and stuff. Okay, so Michael Schwab goes and gives his

560
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: speech next. And this guy's not as much of a talker.

561
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: He's just a quiet, thoughtful man behind a big dark beard.

562
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: He's married, he's a father of two. He's like just

563
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: a hard worker for the revolution. He's a reporter and

564
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: editor for the Arbaderzetongue, and he ran the itwpa's library.

565
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: He was just basically seen as a very gentle He

566
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: was thirty two at the time of the bombing. And

567
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 2: he was born in Germany with a peasant mother and

568
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: a tradesman father, and he had a happy childhood until

569
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: and this feels like a pattern. Maybe it's just the

570
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: nineteenth century. His mom died when he was eight and

571
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: his dad died when he was twelve.

572
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, they made you know what, they made it

573
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: a decent chunk of time. Yeah, it's true, kid, you're

574
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 3: gonna have to carry yourself across that finish line. Yeah.

575
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: And so when he's like, I don't know, thirteen or something,

576
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: and he apprentices to a bookbinder, and he starts working

577
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: thirteen to seventeen hour days.

578
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

579
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: And then he joins a book binding union, and then

580
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: the Social Democrat Party, and then and he decides that

581
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: political liberty without economic freedom, as a mocking lie is

582
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: like his big thing. He moves to Chicago. He quickly

583
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: learns that American capitalism is no better than European which

584
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: actually happens to a lot of people. A lot of

585
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: the immigrants are like, oh, land of opportunity, and they're like, what, No,

586
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: this is just as bad. I feel betrayed, And shortly

587
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: enough he becomes an anarchist. In his speech at sentencing,

588
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: he said violence is one thing and anarchy another. In

589
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: the present state of society, violence is used on all

590
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: sides and therefore we advocate the use of violence against violence,

591
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: but against violence only as a matter as a necessary

592
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: means of defense. Then you get oscar Nebe. He was

593
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: another worker at the arbiterszetongue really wasn't a good time

594
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: to be in the newspaper business, and he was the

595
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: only one who wasn't sentenced to death. He'd been born

596
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: in the US to German immigrants, and he worked basically

597
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 2: every kind of job from cook to tinsmith. So then

598
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: he was unemployed for a while, and at the time

599
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: of his arrest he was a yeast peddler. He I

600
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 2: don't even know what kind of yeast, but he would

601
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 2: go around to a car art in the street, just

602
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: like get your.

603
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeast east for sale.

604
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 4: Yeast for sale, Yeah, like fixit with your dynamite, Robert.

605
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: The main thing that he wanted people to know at

606
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: is very short speech was that he wanted to be

607
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: hanged too. His quote is for I think it is

608
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: more honorable to die suddenly than to be killed by inches.

609
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: I have a family and children. If they know their

610
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: father is dead, they will bury him. They can go

611
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: to the grave and kneel down by the side of it.

612
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: But they can't go to the penitentiary and see their

613
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: father who was convicted for a crime that he has

614
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with.

615
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, sada know, hard to argue with the logic though.

616
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: To and then his wife died while he was in

617
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: prison and he wasn't allowed to go to a funeral.

618
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: Jeez.

619
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Speaker 2: And then we get Adolph Fisher. Adolph Fisher's not a

620
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: common name.

621
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: Any close to being a bad name.

622
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. He edited Der Anarchist, which was the more radical

623
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: paper than Arbiter's Etongue, and he advocated less for a

624
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: mass movement and more for autonomous actions by individuals and collectives.

625
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: He was born in Germany. He was a second generation socialist.

626
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: He moved to America worked as a typographer, and then

627
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: as soon as he moved to Chicago, he joined the

628
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 2: leer Veren, the militia, and when he was arrested he

629
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 2: was armed. He had a presumably legally both a revolver

630
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: and a dagger, and then one cop took his revolver out,

631
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: pointed at his head. Another cop put the dagger to

632
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: his chest, and they only didn't kill him when the

633
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: lieutenant intervened because they wanted him to stand trial. Instead,

634
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: and in prison, two of his co defendants, who didn't

635
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: speak English, entrusted him to translate their autobiographies. And basically

636
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: he was this like he just worked constantly and to

637
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: give money to the cause, and he was really looking

638
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: forward to the revolution. And he gave the shortest speech

639
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: of them all, which included, I was tried here in

640
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: this room for murder, and I was convicted of anarchy.

641
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: I protest against being sentenced to death because I have

642
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: not been found guilty of murder. However, if I am

643
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: to die on account of being an anarchist, on account

644
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: of my love for liberty, fraternity, and equality, I will

645
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: not remonstrate. If death is the penalty for our love

646
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: of freedom of the human race, then I say openly

647
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: I have forfeited my life, but a murderer I am not.

648
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: I just really like all these speeches.

649
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, these were really really good lines. All right.

650
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: Then we get to lewis Ling. Lewis Ling is a

651
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: crowd pleaser. He was the youngest, he was twenty one

652
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: when the bomb was thrown, and he had a watertight alibi.

653
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: There's no way he could have thrown the bomb. Do

654
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: you know why he couldn't have thrown the bomb.

655
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: Was he making more pomps?

656
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was, he was. He was too busy at

657
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: home making bombs.

658
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: Incredible, I know.

659
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: And when the cops came to arrest him, he tried

660
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 2: to go down fighting, and he almost killed one officer

661
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: with his bare hands before the other one like knocked

662
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: him down.

663
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: Unbelievable, What a chad.

664
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: And then The New York Times, which was completely untrustworthy

665
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: of a source at the time, especially back then, says

666
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: that while he was on the carriage on the way

667
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: to jail, he basically said, it all would have been

668
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: worth it if only I had been able to kill

669
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: that police officer, which frankly he might have said.

670
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I looked based on the man you've described, I

671
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: don't think the police maybe lied about that one.

672
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

673
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: And that sounds in line with our boy.

674
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. So he had just shown up in the

675
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: US ten months earlier, before all this shit happens. He

676
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: had been born in Germany, and then he had a

677
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: happy childhood until you'll be shocked to know. Well, first

678
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: his dad was thrown out of work for a workplace accident,

679
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: and then he died shortly thereafter. And he and his

680
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: sibling and his mother fought starvation every single day. He

681
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: fled Europe to avoid the draft, and then he joined

682
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: the Carpenter's Union soon found work as an organizer. People

683
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: liked him. He was really scrupulous, honest, and up front,

684
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: which was basically universal among all the Chicago anarchists, which

685
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: I think fucking rules, because if you're going to be

686
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: all about something, just be honest. I mean sometimes you

687
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: go lie to avoid certain situations.

688
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's like it's like it was a Bob

689
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 3: Dylan that said that to live outside the law, a

690
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 3: man must be honest. I forget where that came from, but.

691
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's what these people are doing. Okay,

692
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: And I know you're you're wondering where lewis Ling lays

693
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: in the relative hotness of the various defendants.

694
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 3: I am literally incapable of caring about this story emotionally

695
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 3: until I learned.

696
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, if you want to, should google lewis Ling.

697
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: It's two g's and ling, And don't use the photo

698
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: from Wikipedia as the example. Find one where his hair

699
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: is shorter and he doesn't really have a beard.

700
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: He kind of looks like Elijah Wood Yeah, that's true.

701
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: He's got a little bit a little bit of a like,

702
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: kind of a broader chin, but like a little bit

703
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: of that Elijah Wood vibe his teeth zone. You could

704
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: like cast Elijah Wood to play this guy and it

705
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: would work pretty well.

706
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: I would love to watch that.

707
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: Okay.

708
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: And in case you're wondering whether I wonder whether any

709
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: of the Haymarket folks were queer, I want to read

710
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: you this description of lewis Ling, written by William Holmes,

711
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: another anarchist in their circle. Ling was one of the

712
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: handsomest men this writer has ever met. His well shaped head,

713
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 2: crowned with a wealth of curly chestnut hair, his fine

714
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 2: blue eyes, his peach and white complexion, and straight regular

715
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 2: features made him a fit model for a Greek god,

716
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: while his athletic form and general activity showed him to

717
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: be possessed of an abundance of physical vigor and health.

718
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 3: Well, that just sounds straight as hell to me, Margaret, Yeah, totally, yeah,

719
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: and fortunately it was kind of sound super straight.

720
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, describing the straightest situation in the world. And to

721
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: be fair, like heterosexuality and homosexuality like didn't exist as

722
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: concepts at this point.

723
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: No, and so homosexuality. The word was invented by a

724
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 3: German dude in like the eighteen nineties.

725
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds about right, But I've got my head

726
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 2: canon and that's what matters here. But he was also

727
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: he was a sex symbol in the anarchist scene. Like

728
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 2: younger men adopted his haircut and his quote lithe way

729
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: of walking around the ballroom at all the anarchists balls

730
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: to get called his name was like the highest compliment

731
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: you could give someone, and his speech was the fieriest

732
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: of the bunch. He delivered it in German, and he

733
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: ended it with I'm not gonna do the whole thing

734
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: in German. I'm not gonna do any of it in German.

735
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: He ended it with I repeat that I am the

736
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: enemy of the order of today, and I repeat that

737
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: with all my powers, as long as breath remains in me,

738
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 2: I shall combat it. I declare again, frankly and openly,

739
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: that I am in favor of using force. I have

740
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: told Captain Shack, and I stand by it. If you

741
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: cannonade us, we will dynamite you. You laugh, you think

742
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: you'll throw no more bombs, But let me assure you

743
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 2: that I die happy on the gallows. So confident am

744
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: I in the hot that the hundreds and thousands to

745
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: whom I've spoken will remember my words, and when you

746
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: shall have hanged us, then mark my words, they will

747
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: do the bomb throwing in this hope. I say to you,

748
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: I despise you. I despise your order, your laws, your

749
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,479
Speaker 2: force propped authority. Hang me for it. He wasn't actually

750
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 2: right about the everyone else doing the bomb throwing part

751
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: is kind of for better or worse. I'm not actually

752
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 2: sure one way or the other. But now we get

753
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: George Engel, who I have a tattoo of on my arm.

754
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna show you the tattoo even though no one

755
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: else can see it.

756
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: So you're saying you really really don't like this person.

757
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is definitely my least favorite person, this stick

758
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: figure drawn.

759
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 3: On my arms, the tattoo I have of Roger Stone.

760
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah no, yeah, exactly, Jesus, that's cute. Okay.

761
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: So George Engel is the oldest of them all, much

762
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: like Robert's Roger Stone, and he's about fifty years old,

763
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: and he owns a toy shop with his wife, and

764
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: he works for a deanarchist and he was He was

765
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: born in Germany. You'd be shocked to know this. He

766
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: was orphaned young, oh whoa, and he was taken in

767
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: by a painter who apprenticed him. He came to the US.

768
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: He found the US just as bad as Germany. He

769
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: first joined the Socialists, but he grew disillusioned by all

770
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: their politicking, the maneuvering, the opportunism, the rigged election, the

771
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: compromise of principle. So he joined the anarchists. And he

772
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: wasn't a speaker or a writer. He was just this

773
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: guy who supported the movement with absolute sincerity. But he

774
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: was also one of the most radical in his beliefs

775
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: of the whole bunch. Like he'd probably the night before

776
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: the Haymarket rally, he'd probably been meeting in a bar

777
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: with some other of the more radical people like not

778
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: parsons and spies and all those to figure out how

779
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: with the like two thousand armed men they had that

780
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: if they needed to, they could take the city, Like

781
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: which places they would raid to get more guns and shit? Yeah,

782
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: and which you know you've just watched everyone get shot

783
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 2: in the middle of the big uprising. He also hated

784
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: Schwaben Spis because they weren't radical enough, and he hadn't

785
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: been on speaking terms with Spis. I just I kind

786
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: of hate the idea that you have to like go

787
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 2: face the death penalty with people you have like really

788
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: serious scene drama with.

789
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I would hope he would be like at

790
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: that point, like, well, Okay, maybe we had disagreements before,

791
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 3: but clearly we're all committed to the same degree now

792
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: that we're about to get executed, Like, I can't really

793
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 3: hit them for not being committed enough as we're all

794
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: about to die together, you would, right.

795
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: I think I think so. I think he like didn't

796
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: like he doesn't like super trust them, but he's like, yeah, okay, like.

797
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: This is yeah, we're all about to die together, so yeah,

798
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 3: probably shouldn't fetch too much.

799
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. When they arrested him, they just literally showed up

800
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: at his house and disappeared him and his family didn't

801
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: know what happened to him for days until his daughter

802
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: went to the jail and then heard him like singing

803
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: distantly down the cell block. And in his final address

804
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: to court, he said, we see from the history of

805
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: this country that the first colonists won their liberty only

806
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: through force, that through forced slavery was abolished. And just

807
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: as the man who agitated against slavery in this country

808
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: had to ascend the gallows, so also must we he

809
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: who speaks for the working men today must hang. And

810
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: then Samuel Fielden, this is the guy who couldn't get

811
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: a break, got shot in the knee, spoke last the rally.

812
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: He wasn't German, which is a big break from everyone else.

813
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: He was born a parent survived to see him hit

814
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: the ripe old age of eleven.

815
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: I think so, actually, yay. He's kind of the kind

816
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: of comes out this whole thing the winner, as much

817
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: as you can win this particular this is like a

818
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 2: it's like a squid games thing, and he wins. He's

819
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: born a poor weaver in England, like he starts working

820
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: at the age of eight, so I feel like you

821
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 2: can say you were born a weaver at that point.

822
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: And he works into cotton mills that Karl Marx and

823
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: George Engel based their whole analysis of how the how

824
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: shitty the English working class have it like on the

825
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: cotton mills in his town. And he cuts his political

826
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: teeth in England, speaking on behalf of the Union in

827
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: the States and against slavery. Then he moves to the

828
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: US and he takes whatever work he can, and he's

829
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 2: like a Methodist traveling preacher, and he travels the South

830
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: and becomes dismayed by the conditions of black folks there.

831
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: He's white.

832
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: He settled in Chicago, and then he started working twelve

833
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: to fourteen hour days as a stonecutter. And then he

834
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: found himself as a speaker for the anarchists again, the

835
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: kind of like the C List one. And he's the

836
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: treasurer for the IWPA. And when he speaks in the

837
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: courtroom apparently it actually he kind of pulls it off.

838
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 3: It actually.

839
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: A List speaker. Today it brings the entire courtroom to tears,

840
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 2: and the prosecutor laughs and says, it's a good thing

841
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: the jury hadn't been here to hear this speech before

842
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: they made their verdict.

843
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 3: Jesus, what a goblin.

844
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really is. In his speech, Fielden says, we

845
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: feel satisfied that we have not lived in this world

846
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: for nothing, that we have done some good for our

847
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: fellow man and done what we believe to be in

848
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: the interest of humanity and for the furtherance of justice.

849
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: If my life is to be taken for advocating the

850
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: principles of socialism and anarchy, as I have understood them

851
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: and honestly believe them in the interest of humanity. I

852
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: say to you that I gladly give it up, and

853
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: the price is very small for the result that is gained.

854
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: I will now read the entire speech of Albert Parsons. No,

855
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. Albert Parsons goes up. He's last. He

856
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: speaks for eight hours over two days. Any kind Yeah,

857
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: he kind of just loses his way and rambles a lot.

858
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: Like vamping a bit.

859
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I get the impression that this whole

860
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: ordeal actually breaks him harder than it breaks the other folks,

861
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: or he breaks in a different way maybe, And he

862
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: has very few like Baller lines that are worth repeating.

863
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: But near the end he said, I have nothing, not

864
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: even now to regret. Well, speaking of regrets, here the

865
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: ads that support this show. Okay, So the appeals go

866
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: on for over a year. They reach all the way

867
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court, who decides against the anarchists, and

868
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: Lucy Parsons and a bunch of the other people from

869
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: the IWPA spend the whole time traveling the country giving

870
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: talks about the trial and the defendants, and this is

871
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: happening in the middle of all this hysteria, right, Lucy's

872
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 2: arrested like multiple times over the course of this, and

873
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: her events are shut down everywhere she goes, but it's

874
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: still largely successful. The moment of panic recedes, and then

875
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: popular opinion starts to shift back towards the defendants, and

876
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: the rest of the labor movement manages to find its

877
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: spying again. At the beginning, the labor movement's like, whoa,

878
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: we don't know these guys, even though they were all

879
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: involved in all levels of the labor movement. And then

880
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: eventually the labor movement's like, okay, okay, maybe we know

881
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: these guys. And it led to this peak and people

882
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 2: paying attention to what was going on, and people becoming anarchists.

883
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: The Arbiter Zetongue. That newspaper goes from four thousand subscribers

884
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: to ten thousand as more and more people see the

885
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: hypocrisy of the government and adopt socialist and anarchist views,

886
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: and there's rallies across the country, in the world, and

887
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: then kind of again ironically or fittingly, some of the

888
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 2: most ardent supporters at this time end up being people

889
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: who hate their politics, but hate even more so to

890
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 2: see the US legal system be like just made a

891
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: mockery of by this trial. And now the prisoners are

892
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: all celebrities. They're doomed celebrities. But I want to tell

893
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: you about what August Spies gets up to while he's

894
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: a celebrity, because he couldn't be fucked to get married before.

895
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: But he finally marries once he's in jail. Y. Yeah,

896
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 2: and he marries a woman he had never met who

897
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: just started coming to the trial. Awesome, and she's an heiress,

898
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: Nina van Zandt is an heiress to a fortune and

899
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: is a member of high society. And it is like

900
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: crazy scandalous through all the papers and apparently some of

901
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: the other defendants are like, don't do this, this might

902
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: affect the case or whatever, and he's like, no, I'm

903
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: marrying this lady. But he wasn't allowed to attend his

904
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: own wedding, so his brother, the one who got shot

905
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: in the groin defending him, is a stand in as

906
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: a proxy for the wedding, and they basically got married

907
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: so that she could keep visiting him in jail and

908
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: I actually think these were not conjugal visits. I think

909
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: that they like never got to do more than like

910
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: once kissed through the bars in a very dramatic and

911
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: romantic way. Yeah, I knows. She's kind of interesting. She

912
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: gives up like a four hundred thousand dollars inheritance, which

913
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: because her her family's pissed off about this, which is

914
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: twelve million dollars today Jesus.

915
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 3: And she wow, So it's definitely not like poverty tourism.

916
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 3: She actually like makes it, oh sacrifice.

917
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: She moves to poverty that she's like, I like this town.

918
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

919
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: And she she keeps her name.

920
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 3: Of the chicken the common People song.

921
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I love that song. It's a really good

922
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: bitter song to listen to a song. Yea, so so

923
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 2: cause Nina Speeds keep now. Now, Nina Speeds keeps her

924
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: name even after her husband dies, and she even like

925
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: gets remarried and then divorced and then goes back to

926
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: the name Spies because she's now a committed I presume anarchist,

927
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: and she lives in poverty. She ends up an old

928
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 2: lady who collects stray cats and dogs, and she marches

929
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: in labor demonstrations and she's still alive today. No, but

930
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: that would rule, like.

931
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 3: If you got to like that would be amazing.

932
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: So the Supreme Court says, no, fuck these guys. So

933
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: then they moved to a strategy of trying to get

934
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 2: the governor to give them clemency and commute their sentences

935
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 2: to life in prison. And they get thousands of letters

936
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: from support from all walks of life, radicals and moderates,

937
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: and there's still probably more Americans who hate them, but

938
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: it's like, well, this is something that's totally unfamiliar to

939
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: modern society. Society was very polarized by this, and a

940
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: lot of the moderates instead to ended up taking radical

941
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 2: positions on one side or another. The son of John

942
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 2: Brown writes them a life and sends them a fruit basket,

943
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: and he he says, basically, I support you, and my

944
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: father would have supported you, and that had he had

945
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 2: the chance, John Brown would have been a socialist too,

946
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,479
Speaker 2: since what he believed in was the quote community plan

947
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: of cooperative industry. The fruit basket is a nice touch.

948
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 3: The fruit basket is a nice touch. I hope that

949
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 3: they were Like there's always that debate about like would

950
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: John Brown have been like problematic today because he was

951
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 3: you know, he was also a religious extremist. Yeah, totally,

952
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 3: which is the thing that can go a couple of ways.

953
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: But no, I think his kid's probably right. I think

954
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: he I think being on the right side of slavery

955
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: to that extent at that time means he probably would

956
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 3: have been on the right side of a lot of things.

957
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know who would know better than the

958
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: kid who's name John Brown Junior, you know, m h

959
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: And in the end, only three of the But okay,

960
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 2: so they do all of his work to get clemency,

961
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: and only three of them end up actually writing the

962
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: governor for clemency because there's a big problem to write

963
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: the governor for clemency. Have to say you're sorry.

964
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: Oh they are not sorry, so so Field and then

965
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: Schwab are like, sure, whatever, we're sorry. Yeah, hey man,

966
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 3: could you not kill us?

967
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: And then Speez says I'm sorry too. But then Speez

968
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: freaks out, has this moment of like everyone gets calls

969
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: him a sellout, and he's like, no, no, I take

970
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: it back, and he writes the governor's second letter. He's like, no,

971
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. Not only am I not sorry, but

972
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: you should kill only me and leave out, like leave

973
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: everyone else.

974
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: Go.

975
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a man who values values the clout.

976
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, original clout chaser August Speed.

977
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fun. Okay, and then I mean it's not fun.

978
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 3: But honestly, anything you do in that situation is fine.

979
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 3: I agree. I would never judge anybody for being like, well,

980
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 3: I will say I'm sorry to not get murdered. Yeah. Fine.

981
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: At the same time, I also respect heavily anyone who

982
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: would be like, fuck that shit, I ain't sorry. Yeah,

983
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: like you can hang my ass.

984
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 2: Parsons ended up actually the most torn because he's the

985
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: one who's like really like, you know, he's kind of

986
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: broken at this point, but he's a true believer, right,

987
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: and he's basically like asking all his friends for advice.

988
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: He's like, what do I do? What do I do?

989
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: And then one of his friends, this guy named dire Lum,

990
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: is like, honey, Albert, what you should do is die.

991
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: And Albert's like, oh, thank you. You're the only one

992
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: willing to tell me that.

993
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 3: Thank you.

994
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 2: That is so chances, I know. So he decides to die,

995
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: and so he writes an open letter to the governor

996
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: and his open letter says, look, if I'm innocent, let

997
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: me go, and if I'm guilty, kill me. So the

998
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,479
Speaker 2: governor grants clemency at like the final hour to field

999
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 2: in the Schwab and the five who refuse to say

1000
00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: they're sorry where to die. And now I'm going to

1001
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: tell you who threw the fucking bomb?

1002
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: Eh?

1003
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, good, okay, because the anonymous bomber comes back into

1004
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: play at this point, we don't know for sure, right,

1005
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 2: but historian Paul Average has done more work than anyone

1006
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: who I actually trust about this, And Albert Parsons was

1007
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: convinced a cop did it. It was like a Pinkerton did it.

1008
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, it's a false.

1009
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 3: Flag attack, right, false flag attacked.

1010
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, But basically, probably while all this is happening, the

1011
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: bomber was probably this guy named George Schwab who's completely

1012
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: unrelated to Michael Schwab, and he fucks off to New

1013
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: York after the bomb is thrown, and then when they're

1014
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: sentenced to die and everything, like the Supreme Court thing

1015
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: fails and all this shit, he's like, a, hey, should

1016
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: I come forward? Will that save these people's lives? If

1017
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: I say I'm the one who did it? Will they

1018
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: be let go? And they all kind of think about it.

1019
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: And when I say they all not everyone, like the

1020
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: defendants don't know this except the two autonomous ones who

1021
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: are more not actually lewis Ling, but the two autonomous

1022
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: ones who ran dare anarchist. They end up knowing about it.

1023
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 2: And they finally they sit down and they're like, no,

1024
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: if you come forward, you're just going to die too.

1025
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 2: It's just one more victim of capitalism if you come forward.

1026
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1027
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 2: So the bomber is like, all right, and he does

1028
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: not come forward.

1029
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 3: That's a lot to live with. Yeah.

1030
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: And then lewis Ling not only did he not write

1031
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: for clemency, he actually had his name taken off the

1032
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 2: Supreme Court case because he was he was, I'm done

1033
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: with capitalist justice. I have nothing to do with any

1034
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 2: of this.

1035
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 3: Wow.

1036
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: So a week before the execution, guards find bombs in

1037
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: his cell. He has four bombs, and I always thought

1038
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: that they were there to like affect a prison break,

1039
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 2: but apparently the fuses were like a set a second

1040
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 2: or two long, so they were almost certainly there so

1041
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: he could kill himself. But they find the bombs, so

1042
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 2: he doesn't get to kill himself in a nice clean,

1043
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 2: explodeing way. And instead, the day before the execution, lewis

1044
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 2: Ling has somehow got a hold of a blasting cap.

1045
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 2: There's a lot of different claims about how he got

1046
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: it there. He puts it in his mouth and he

1047
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 2: blows himself up, takes his own life. But because it's

1048
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: only a blasting cap, it takes six hours.

1049
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: For him to bleed to death.

1050
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus, And since this is his exit from history,

1051
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: I'll say that a few days before he died, his

1052
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: mother and aunt had written him letters, and his mother wrote,

1053
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: I will be as proud of you after your death

1054
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: as I have been during your life, and his aunt wrote,

1055
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 2: whatever happens, even the worst, show no weakness before those wretches.

1056
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 3: So he had supportive family. That's good. The one person

1057
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: whose family wasn't dead.

1058
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: I know exactly. And then the night before the execution,

1059
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: all the condemned men they're sitting around, they're smoking cigars,

1060
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 2: and they're talking with jailers. Its apparently somehow very friendly.

1061
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: Parsons keeps like singing and reciting poetry every chance he gets.

1062
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Parsons has lost his mind, which I

1063
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: do not blame him at all. I'm cert sure entirely

1064
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: my mind in this in this environment.

1065
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 3: I've lost my mind on like five hour long flights before. Yeah.

1066
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, George Engel my favorite. He talks with the priest

1067
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: who comes to offer him his last rites. And I'm

1068
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: going to say quote what he said to the priest

1069
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: in the shadow of the gallows. As I stand, I

1070
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: have done nothing wrong. I have not done everything right

1071
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: during my life, but I have endeavored to live so

1072
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 2: that I need not fear to die. Monopoly has crushed competition,

1073
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 2: and the poor man has no show. But the revolution

1074
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: will surely come and the working man will get his rights.

1075
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: Socialism and Christianity can walk hand in hand together as brothers,

1076
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,959
Speaker 2: for both are laboring in the interests of the amelioration

1077
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: of mankind. I have no religion but to wrong no

1078
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: man and to do good to everybody. And I just

1079
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: it's a cool guy. Yeah, he's being nice to the

1080
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: priest that he didn't even call for He like, as

1081
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: the priest is leaving, he's like, look, hey, I know

1082
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: that was weird, but I didn't even call for you. Okay.

1083
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 2: The execution. On the morning of the execut there's three

1084
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: hundred cops and they're guarding the prison like it's a fortress,

1085
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: and there's once again gatling guns laying in wait, and

1086
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: for once, the media is right. The media is on

1087
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 2: about how an army of anarchists is going to descend

1088
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: on the place and free them all. But actually the

1089
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 2: anarchists had come up with a plan like that, and

1090
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 2: actually it was the condemned men who are like, guys,

1091
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: it's over, it's fine, let us just get this over with.

1092
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 2: And so that's why there's no massive last minute jail break.

1093
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 2: Lucy Parsons shows up to see her husband. She has

1094
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: her two kids in tow, and an officer tries to

1095
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 2: stop her. She says, you're gonna have to fucking kill me,

1096
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: and then she just like pushes her way through the

1097
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: police line. However, they then arrest her, strip her naked,

1098
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: leave her in a cell with her kids until after

1099
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: her her husband was hanged Jesus with a noose around

1100
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: their neck. Each man shouts their last words. Spies says,

1101
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: there will come a time when our silence will be

1102
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: more powerful than the voices you strangled.

1103
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 3: Today.

1104
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 2: Angle shouts in German uh Hoch, the anarchy or Hurrah

1105
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 2: for anarchy. Fisher shouts, also in German, hurrah for anarchy.

1106
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 2: This is the happiest day of my life. And then

1107
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: Parsons he says, I feel bad making fun of him

1108
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 2: right now, but I'm just gonna do it. I'll just

1109
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: quote him. We'll make fun of himself. I'm sorry, Parsons,

1110
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 2: you were a great guy. Parsons says, will I be

1111
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 2: allowed to speak? Oh, men of America, let me speak,

1112
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 2: Sheriff Mattson, Let the voice of the people be heard.

1113
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: Oh.

1114
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 2: And then the trap opens, and the hanging was done wrong,

1115
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: and they took long life. They took minutes to strangle.

1116
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: I think it took seven minutes for the last one

1117
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: to die.

1118
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 3: Sure that was an accident, Yeah, I'm.

1119
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: Sure, you know classic whoops. I've been doing this my

1120
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: whole life, and I just somehow slept up and didn't

1121
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: break their necks. Their funeral march had twenty thousand participants

1122
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 2: and two hundred thousand onlookers. And again, I actually should

1123
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: have looked up the population Chicago at the time, But

1124
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty thousand people in eighteen eighty seven.

1125
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: It's a lot of people, a lot. Yeah, it's the

1126
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 2: largest funeral that had ever been seen in Chicago. And basically,

1127
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: unions and radicals across the world commemorate their deaths and

1128
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 2: still do on May first, and which is the Worker's holiday,

1129
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: Like I said at the top, in every country of

1130
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 2: the world except the US, where they can't handle the

1131
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 2: radical stuff.

1132
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah.

1133
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: But to close out the rest of our characters, you

1134
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 2: want to know what happened to Captain Blackjack Bonfield, right,

1135
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 2: the cop who charged the crowd. Well, yes, he was

1136
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: caught taking bribes, and among the stolen goods he was

1137
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: storing was the personal effects of lewis Ling. Everyone had

1138
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 2: been like, hey, where's lewis Ling's stuff, and the cops like, oh,

1139
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. And it's because this dude has stolen it.

1140
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 2: He gets fired, which is actually that might be a

1141
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 2: sign of the times having changed in a bad way.

1142
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: He actually gets fired for this.

1143
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: And.

1144
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: That's actually the impetus to get start getting the pardon

1145
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: pushed forward. Is they're like, look, the main guy for

1146
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: the prosecution was a piece of shit, corrupt cop, and

1147
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: they get pardoned. A progressive as elected governor of Illinois

1148
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety three, and he once again he tanks

1149
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 2: his entire career. It costs him the reelection, but he

1150
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: pardons the remaining He frees the remaining three who are

1151
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: still in prison, and he posthumously pardons the five who died.

1152
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 2: And he never managed to get back into office after

1153
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: doing that. But well, he actually cared about justice.

1154
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: Good for him. Yeah, another moderate who made a sacrifice. Yeah,

1155
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 3: for these people. That is nice to see a couple

1156
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 3: of times, in addition to all of the ones who

1157
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 3: stopped by and did nothing. But yeah, yeah, Okay.

1158
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: Then there's the fun of the cop statue. In eighteen

1159
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: eighty nine, the police put up a statue in Haymarket

1160
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 2: Square in honor of the fallen officer, the only one

1161
00:57:58,960 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: who had actually.

1162
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 3: They oh, the one who didn't get killed by other cops. Yeah, exactly.

1163
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: For some reason, they didn't do one of all the

1164
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: people who had been murdered by officers. It wasn't a

1165
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 2: picture of dual wielding blackjack shooting down other cops.

1166
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: A monument to the cops killed by other cops.

1167
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: It's called critical support the monument. Yeah, all right, so

1168
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 2: the model for this cop, they don't use the actual

1169
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: dead cop as the model. They take a living cop

1170
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: a guy named Birmingham, and he's crooked as shit.

1171
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 3: Was the dead cop ugly? Were they just like that

1172
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 3: guy's not sexy enough for a statue.

1173
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta assume. So they pick a crooked cop

1174
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: who then gets fired for fencing stolen goods.

1175
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 3: Incredible, Yeah, an amazing monument.

1176
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: And then in nineteen oh three someone steals the crest

1177
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,479
Speaker 2: of the city off the statue. In nineteen twenty five,

1178
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: a street car driver, probably on purpose, jumps the track

1179
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 2: with the street car and plows down the statue. It

1180
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: gets moved to a place called Union Park. On May fourth,

1181
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight, it was defaced with black paint. The

1182
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 2: next year, the Weathermen, who are the radical fact part

1183
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 2: of a radical faction of the anti war movement, they

1184
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 2: just fucking blow up the statue.

1185
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 3: Ah, nice to hear they got one of those bombs, right, Well,

1186
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 3: they get two of them, right because then yeah, they

1187
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 3: got a couple, right, Well, they get at least to them, right,

1188
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 3: because they rebuilt the statue.

1189
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 2: And then a year later the weathermen blow.

1190
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 3: It up again.

1191
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: Excellent, And then it was rebuilt once more, and now

1192
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: it's in the lobby of the Chicago Police headquarters. Where

1193
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: every day every cop can see a statue of a

1194
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: crooked cop. And this didn't win not the cop statue,

1195
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: but hey market, it didn't win them the work eight

1196
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 2: hour workday. But as far as I can tell, it

1197
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: didn't actually delay it as much as sometimes people say.

1198
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: The labor movement in the US and especially worldwide actually

1199
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: grew and eventually with this and basically, one by one,

1200
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: various trades and unions one better hours. By nineteen thirty seven,

1201
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 2: the Fair Labor Standards Act finally won it for more

1202
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 2: or less everyone nationwide.

1203
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 3: That's good.

1204
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: Anarchism in Chicago kind of faded after the trial, but

1205
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: anarchism worldwide grew, and basically everywhere you would go across

1206
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 2: the world, in any kind of labor hall, you would

1207
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 2: see the Haymarket martyrs, you see pictures of them. It

1208
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: leaves me with this like really complicated takeaway, right, because

1209
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 2: their rhetoric of violence is kind of what got them

1210
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: into this mess on some level.

1211
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 3: Yes, and certainly all of the dynamite had an impact

1212
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 3: on all of the dynamite.

1213
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 2: Right, But it's really hard to say whether the end

1214
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: result was positive or negative for the labor movement. For anarchism,

1215
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 2: for any of these things. It's like it's it's almost

1216
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 2: impossible to parse out. And then and one of the

1217
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 2: things that I'm left thinking about with this is that,

1218
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,439
Speaker 2: like a lot of the stories of Haymarket that you'll

1219
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 2: read and in sort of more mainstream papers will be like, oh,

1220
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: there was this good protest movement and some anarchists came

1221
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: and fucked it all up by throwing a and that

1222
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 2: leaves out the fact that it was the anarchists who

1223
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: organized not the whole thing, but a huge chunk of

1224
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: it in the first place, and certainly the thing that

1225
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: got fucked up by someone throwing a bomb. And I

1226
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: feel like that happens a lot, is that people like

1227
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: radical people end up organizing this, and then that that

1228
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 2: work is forgotten about. And then my final note is

1229
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: that Lucy Parsons, who I opened the story up with,

1230
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 2: she stayed involved her entire life, and she ended up

1231
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 2: helping form the union the Industrial Workers of the World

1232
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 2: in nineteen oh five, who probably wanted to get their

1233
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: own episode, and she used the lessons of Haymarket to

1234
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 2: teach young radicals. In the nineteen twenties, the Chicago Police

1235
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 2: Department declared that she was quote more dangerous than a

1236
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: thousand rioters, and that feels like something to aspire to.

1237
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep.

1238
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: So Robert, how are you feeling about Haymarket.

1239
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 3: I mean bad, it doesn't I mean on the whole

1240
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 3: bad time. I feel good that a lot of people

1241
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 3: came around to the fact that it was bullshit when

1242
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 3: in terms of talking about like the long term value

1243
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 3: of something like this, it's not bad that the kind

1244
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 3: of inherent contradictions and factileness of the system and how

1245
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 3: it exists primarily not to achieved justice but to do

1246
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 3: violence against people who threaten power like that, that's not bad. Like,

1247
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 3: it's useful that that was done. I don't know how

1248
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 3: much comfort that was for the families of the deceased,

1249
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 3: but it seems like it was some comfort for most

1250
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 3: of the deceased. And May Day is a good holiday.

1251
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 2: It is a good holiday.

1252
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: Dare I say cool people who did cool stuff?

1253
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 3: I hope. So, yeah, it's pretty pretty cool, you know.

1254
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 3: I went to my favorite May Day that I've been

1255
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 3: to was in Berlin. And in Berlin, one of the

1256
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 3: things they do on May Days is all of the

1257
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 3: bars kind of like move out into the streets, like

1258
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 3: they'll just set up like kiosks and stuff with their beer,

1259
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 3: and for one night it's allowed to just like throw

1260
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 3: your bottles everywhere. So there's just like snow drifts of

1261
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 3: shattered glass all over the streets and it's fine. Apparently

1262
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 3: this one night you can break glass all you want

1263
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 3: all over the damn place. And I had this very

1264
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 3: fun moment of just like shattering god knows how many

1265
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 3: Ibria bottles over the street. And then at one of

1266
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 3: the s Bahn stations, my friend like stopped to piss

1267
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 3: in like a corner, and will you get immediately ticketed

1268
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 3: by the jury place?

1269
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: That's just taking it too far.

1270
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 3: There's kids hucking bottles at the streets. Size yeah, just

1271
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 3: like all right, but this isn't okay.

1272
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have laws here, we have rules here.

1273
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have one less rule tonight, but we have

1274
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 3: rules here.

1275
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: Yea.

1276
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 3: Anyway, thank you, Margaret, this has been a hoot. Yeah,

1277
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 3: thanks for coming on. And dare I say a holler? Yeah?

1278
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 3: Oh that's too much.

1279
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: Do you have anything you want to plug? Robert Evans?

1280
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 2: Never never heard of you, Robert Evans.

1281
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: Do you have anything?

1282
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 3: I've certainly never heard of.

1283
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: Me, David, do you host any podcasts.

1284
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 3: I do the Dynamite Cast where we talk about the

1285
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 3: health benefits of a dynamite enriched diet, which are none.

1286
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 3: There are Well, actually, it would probably help with certain

1287
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 3: heart conditions, right, because nitroglycerin is literally used in one

1288
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 3: form as a heart medication. So I guess there are

1289
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 3: some ways that ingesting dynamite might potentially help you. But

1290
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 3: I doubt it would. I doubt it would work if

1291
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 3: you just were to take the form used as an

1292
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 3: explosive as.

1293
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 4: A heart medication. But I don't actually know you're using

1294
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 4: it wrong. I don't know, Like, Okay, have you ever

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Speaker 4: had a headache? Okay, now if you don't want to

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Speaker 4: have a headache, you could explode your entire body.

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Speaker 3: Well, now that's you. See this is you're really getting

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Speaker 3: onto the subject of my new self help book, The

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Speaker 3: Explosion Driven Life.

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Speaker 1: So so from what I got from what Robert just said,

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Speaker 1: he was saying, listen to it could happen here. Uh

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Speaker 1: And and buy his book After the Revolution.

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Speaker 3: And check out my new book, The four Dynamite Workweek

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Speaker 3: and The four Dynamite Body both go great together and

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Speaker 3: will teach you how to change your life with just

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Speaker 3: four sticks of dynamite amazing Margaret.

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Speaker 1: Where can people follow you?

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Speaker 2: People can follow me on the internet on Twitter at

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Speaker 2: Magpie Killjoy and on Instagram at Margaret Kiljoy.

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Speaker 3: Who what we do do Well?

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week on Monday with another allegedly

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Speaker 1: with another cool person who may have done in fact

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Speaker 1: something cool, right Margaret.

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Speaker 2: With lots of caveats as always, Yep, Cool people Coming up?

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Speaker 1: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media,

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Speaker 1: visit our website Coolzonemedia dot com. Check us out on

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Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.