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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome and I'm gotta leave. This is all ball

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Speaker 1: and back by popular demand, we have part two with

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Speaker 1: with Chris Jenkins. I've always thought this was fastening. What

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Speaker 1: happens after the greatest moment of your life? Right? And

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Speaker 1: if you listen in part one, it's amazing, you know,

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Speaker 1: the the establishment of culture at Villanova, how do they

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Speaker 1: do it? And the use of the word attitude if

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Speaker 1: you if you missed it, you should go back and listen.

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Speaker 1: That previous episode is fantastic. We'll we'll put it out

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Speaker 1: there on social media as well. Chris Jenkins continue to

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Speaker 1: join me, and in this episode we discussed, um, okay,

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Speaker 1: you make the biggest shot in college basketball at least history.

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Speaker 1: Why didn't you parlay it into the pros? And what

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Speaker 1: bring everybody back? Right? You lose Ryan Archdiacane, Right, but

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Speaker 1: you did have an incredible club and you had a

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Speaker 1: actually won only the Big East, but the Big East Tournament.

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Speaker 1: Like there's a lot, but we only remember that last loss.

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Speaker 1: What was it like to try and run it back?

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Speaker 1: Why didn't it work out? And what now? Um, let's

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Speaker 1: get into it all. Here's part two with Chris Jenkins.

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Speaker 1: So you get so, now you had the great game

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Speaker 1: of the biggest stage, you make the biggest shot arguably

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Speaker 1: you gotta go pro. You gotta you know, you gotta leave.

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Speaker 1: What what was the conversation with Jay, Like, was the

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Speaker 1: conversation with your family? Uh? Yeah, I mean there was

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Speaker 1: That was another year for me to be around those

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Speaker 1: why coach right, he does a good job in telling us, like,

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Speaker 1: But the guys that are coming back, remember this feeling

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Speaker 1: and depending on how hard or how easy the weightlifting

429
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: training was, that will kind of dictate how long I'll

430
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 1: go in the shoot and work out. And then as

431
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 1: I'll always double back and whether it's I'll do something,

432
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, another thirty forty minutes on my body or

433
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,959
Speaker 1: another forty forty five minutes on the court shooting. So

434
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: it's kind of I kind of take a day by day,

435
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: like you said, just kind of feeling out how my

436
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: body is and listening to the physical physical therapy trainers

437
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: and also coach Chambers and you know, the people that

438
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: are actually seeing me work out on the court. Um,

439
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: do you have any idea what it really are? I

440
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: do have a sense of what n f T s are.

441
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 1: And I'm so happy that you that you brought that

442
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: up because with all this this free time, with my

443
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 1: injury and filling over network and the fan base and

444
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 1: just the whole alumni, I was able to create, uh,

445
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 1: one on one n f T which is gonna be live. Um,

446
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 1: You're able to be a live on open sea right now.

447
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: And with the experience. I'm also tagging along two tickets

448
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: to the National Championship. Um, and I'm also including my

449
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: my Game one National Championship shoes. Oh no, no, no,

450
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: I do I told you get get replications hold all

451
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: of that stuff? What what? What kind of shoes are there? Um?

452
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: The Kyrie too? Yeah? So now now okay? So so

453
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: is that the only game you warman? Because because I

454
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: remember when guys get to the final four, Nike send

455
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 1: you all new year. Were those two games? Or do

456
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 1: you wear those all year? Like? What we What were

457
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: you like with shoes? I want? I had war those

458
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I didn't wear them as much

459
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: as you would think, being that they're Kyrie two's and

460
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: wearing Nike LEAs school. But I had one of them

461
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: a couple of times throughout the tournament. And like you said,

462
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: Nike did laces. But I was kind of in that

463
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: mode like, man, I'm gonna just wear the shoes that

464
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: I've been wearing where I've been playing. Well, I'm not

465
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: about to switch it up to send you a new

466
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 1: hear like I used to. I would. I would of

467
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: away any shoes that we lost in I didn't do it,

468
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,239
Speaker 1: notre Dame. We lost too much. I was Notre Dame.

469
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: My first year we lost eight games, so I couldn't

470
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: do that. I'd run through them all the time. But

471
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: Oklam was state like it was. It was I ran

472
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Speaker 1: through shoes. In my junior year, we were actually really good,

473
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: but we went through a bad stretch and it was

474
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: you go, take a look, there's a different pair every

475
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: time we lost, and it was getting it was getting ridiculous.

476
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: At one point, um, were you Nike? Yeah okay, yes, yeah, yeah,

477
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: I was getting laced too, so I noticed it was

478
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: I mean, and look, Coach Sutton was cool man. He

479
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: was like, like Desimation was our best player, and so

480
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: Desmond got he got whatever he wanted, and like, you

481
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: just tell the guys what you want, guys that you want.

482
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: And then dudes that didn't play, they got the team

483
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: shootes and everybody else because you know, they sent to

484
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: those team shoots that year, and nobody likes the team shots.

485
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: Nobody was like mid tops, they're kind of heavy, like yeah,

486
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: he used them for pictures and that's about it. And

487
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: then the guys that can play, like, yeo, man, put

488
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: me up. Now. The other thing that's changed is we

489
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: used to for the postseason, we get new shorts because

490
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: they start to creep up on you by the end

491
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: of the year. But now they all want the short short, right, yeah, yes,

492
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,479
Speaker 1: that that is that is crazy. We thought now they

493
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: the my era, they got kind of out of control

494
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: and super long, like Kareem Read used to wear a

495
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: dress in Arkansas. But but I don't. I don't like

496
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: this trend. I like, I like that nine inches seem

497
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: a lot more than five inches. I'm not with that

498
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: high shorts on the basketball courtneys like that. We gotta

499
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: figure something else out. They gotta they gotta make a

500
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: rule where the shorts gotta be a certain limp. And

501
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: this is like this is like the super tight jeans

502
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 1: that dudes wear halfway down their ass. Like that's a trend.

503
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just sit this one out and I'm gonna

504
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 1: wait until it comes because all the trends come back around,

505
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: right Like eventually Baggy'll be back in and I'll be

506
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: I'll be straight all my old girl work. I'm gonna

507
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip the thigh high short thing. So but

508
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: so an n f T is a it's a digital

509
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: piece of artwork, right right, But it Okay, so what

510
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: is the art? What your n f T is that

511
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: your shock like, what is it? What is our work

512
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: is a is a painting that we had created by

513
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: a nice creative design and by the name of Mary Yellen.

514
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: And Mary Yellen she's worked on numerous thing projects for

515
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: Disneys as far as like soundtrack covers and just movie

516
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: things that she's drawn up. So we worked in partner

517
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: with her and uh, the n f T came out great.

518
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: But what people really don't know is I want is

519
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: I want to continue to make this experience about everybody.

520
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: So coming up in February, around February twelve, we're gonna

521
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: drop an n f T collection for for not It

522
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: won't be just one thing, it will be a couple

523
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: of things, and some of the proceeds will go to

524
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: the Withiam College Watch Party, which is a charity networking

525
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: if at UM for Here Here helping the Ronald McDonald

526
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: houses in Philadelphia and Coaches for Cancer. So we we

527
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: got some things in the works. Um. This is something

528
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: that we've been planning for a minute, and this is

529
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: part of the way that we kind of want to

530
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: get get our n f T stuff out there. But

531
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: more importantly give back because, like I said, I felt

532
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: like so many people have given to me throughout my life,

533
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: whether it be just words of wisdom, um or just

534
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: you know, taking time out of their day to spend

535
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: some time with me. Just like I said, I never

536
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: took any of those things for grant. I remember being

537
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: a young kid at the University of South Carolina, and

538
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, things were a little tough at home at

539
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: the time. And Tray Kelly was a star point guard

540
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: at South Carolina and he took some time after a

541
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: game to come up where me and my father were

542
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: and he just spoke with me for about fixteen twenty

543
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: minutes just about life. And you know how you can't

544
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: like kind of like attitude. You can't control that that

545
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: happened to You can only control how you respond to

546
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: your outlook on because he kind of had a tough

547
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: upbringing as well. So, like I said, I always want

548
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: to find a way to give back. In this n

549
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: f T collection, partner enough with with them College Watch

550
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: Party to help out the Rono McDonald Houses and Coaches

551
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: for Cancer. It was a no brainer when the partnership

552
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: opportunity came about. It's interesting because you you are so

553
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: you're gracious with your time, honestly with your your name,

554
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: image and likeness. So that's what this is about. So

555
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: so straight up, I've always felt like what you're able

556
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: to benefit from for now until the day you die

557
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: is the way it should work. Right, you accomplish something

558
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: amazing and so you should benefit it from, which is

559
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: all college students. The problem with the name, image and

560
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: likeness as it's being used when this was kind of predictable, right,

561
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: is guys are now getting luke just to go to

562
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: a school before they do anything right, right, and so

563
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: what happens is we get castings. Oh you're a hater

564
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: because you don't want guys and pay Like, no, that

565
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: ain't it? Like? The idea to me is like, if

566
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: you accomplish something and everybody else is gonna benefit from

567
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: whether you should you earn it, you should benefit from it, right,

568
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: you should be able to use those moments um. On

569
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: the other hand, we both know that there's some guys

570
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: that come in they don't have pot piston and when

571
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: to throw it out of and they need a little

572
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: extra help. So how how do you I guess the

573
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: first question is can't do you think viing over can

574
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: be ing over if dudes were getting paid before they

575
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, while they played or even before they ever played.

576
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: Like it, it strikes me as a place where that

577
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: that goes counter to most of the things in the culture. Yeah. See,

578
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: that's that's a tough that's a tough thing to tackle

579
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: right there. And that's something that I'm pretty sure coach

580
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: right and the coaching staff they're struggling with because, like

581
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: you said, but know, it's a place where you have

582
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: to come and put the work in first before you

583
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: kind of reap the rewards or the benefits of other things. Um,

584
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: but this is kind of of those things where you

585
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: either keep up with the times or you get left behind.

586
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: And it's you know, it's a it's a hard one.

587
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: It's like you can have you can have morals and

588
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: ways in which you want to do it. On the

589
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: other hand, like you got some at some point, sometimes

590
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: you gotta get dudes. And if at an equal school

591
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: is offering the type of money where it takes care

592
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: of people at home, it takes care of you, like,

593
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: it's a hard thing to turn down. Yeah. Yeah, Like

594
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: like you said, is there's some guys who come in

595
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: with situations who are less than not deal, and it's

596
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: gonna be extremely, extremely hard to get them to turn

597
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: down whatever money has been offered to them, compared to

598
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: a school that's telling them to just trust them and

599
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: they'll be taken care of. You know, Like that's a

600
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: lot of seventy eighteen year old kids not trying to

601
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: hear that. Yeah, but so but but like, look, so

602
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: you're grown man, and you've experienced the system, you've experienced

603
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: the culture, you've experienced success, and what someone would tell

604
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: you be like, yo, man, look that school and we

605
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: were both in this when you went Villanova wins the

606
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: national championship, enrollment goes up, everybody gets more money in

607
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: the school, makes more money, and like, well, Chris didn't

608
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: make it, didn't make anything. Okay. My pushback would be, yeah,

609
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: but Chris can make money now on everything that he

610
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: accomplished forever. He's that guy. Okay. But again, I'm not you.

611
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: I didn't experienced what you did and I don't know

612
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: how so if I'm gonna put you in charge and say, Chris,

613
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: you've lived this life, Okay, you went four years to

614
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: a college, you went to uh four n c A

615
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: terms want a national championship at the game winning shot. Okay,

616
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: what would be the best system where you can both

617
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: makes your kids re benefits from their successes, but also

618
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: you're allowed to You're able to culture build the way

619
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: that you guys culture built at doing over man. That's

620
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: that's that's a great question. I don't think I've ever

621
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: been asked that question, And I think the first thing

622
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: that I would probably tell that the young man know,

623
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: the young lady who's trying to benefit from their name,

624
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: image and likeness, would be, Um, what the first step

625
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: of order is? You have to you kind of have

626
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: to put the work in, Like you have to put

627
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: yourself in positions to where you can benefit from your name,

628
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: image and likeness. Um, everybody is not going to be

629
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to be Bryce Young the quarterback for that

630
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: you could be a freshman and get, you know what

631
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: I mean, millions of dollars name, image, and likeness before

632
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: the season starts. Those are rare cases. You need to

633
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: you need to humble yourself and realize like, Okay, that

634
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: may not be my route right now, but I come here,

635
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: card I put myself in posit I played well. I

636
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: put myself in position to where I could benefit from

637
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: my name, image and likeness instead of just coming somewhere

638
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: expecting uh the red carpet right away, because that's not reality.

639
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: What about transferring? So you guys, when Eric transferred in

640
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: he sat out. I think that that made him a

641
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: pro right personally, right, you guys have had you guys

642
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: have a program where you guys read shirted guys. But

643
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: now with the transfer portal and the abuilded a transfer

644
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: and not sit out like I. I will just tell you,

645
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: like straight up right now, Like when I I had

646
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 1: to leave Notre Dames, I got drunk, right, but I

647
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: was thinking about leaving anyway, and then I was like, uh,

648
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: when I was an opal mistate I got bench my

649
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: junior year. If I could have transferred and not sat

650
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: out an additional time like I was, probably just in

651
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: that moment. In that moment, I'll never forget. We fly

652
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: to Omaha taking on Creton, my dad at coach with

653
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: coach at Credon thirty five years before. So they honor

654
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: his team at halftime whatever. And I'm in the doghouse

655
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: because I got thrown out of the u c L

656
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: A game right, I'm coming off the bench is bad

657
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: and I just I hate everybody. You know, it's like

658
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: you know you're building over it. Out I was Oklahoma,

659
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: stated out. This is midpoint of my second year there.

660
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: I didn't sit out there, I said, I sat out

661
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: at the junior college. I've only been there a year

662
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: and a half. But they don't like me and I

663
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: don't like them, and I'm in the doghouse. If I

664
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: can transfer at that moment and not sit out like

665
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: this right and it would have been the biggest mistake

666
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: I've ever made, because I worked through it and by

667
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: the end of the year I was I was back

668
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: and everything was great. Um, you're after your sophomore year.

669
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: You didn't know if you were good enough. You weren't

670
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: playing as much as you wanted. It took a lot

671
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: of faith. I don't know what it would have been

672
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: like if you wouldn't have been able to sit out

673
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: of here. Like we all kind of look back and um,

674
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: but that's a hard one, Like how do you how

675
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: do you have guys sit or red shirt knowing that

676
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: all it takes is one coach to say, hey, man,

677
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: like you come here, you play right away, like we

678
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: had a dude to leave or go down. How do

679
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: you manage that knowing that everybody in society is trying

680
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: to push these kids to that freedom to move, and

681
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: yet it's really hard to build a team and to

682
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: teach kids about putting in the work and and improvement. Yeah,

683
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of one of those things you kind of

684
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: got to take the good with the bad in a sense,

685
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: like this is kind of one of those things that

686
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: just comes with it. Um. I know people may not

687
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: like it, but I people don't like when college coaches

688
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: getting new jobs and leave after they recruited a certain

689
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: amount of kids to come to their school. Um, So

690
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: it kind of can go both ways. Like I know,

691
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: I know numerous situations where uh, college coach recruited a

692
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: kids somewhere and that coach ended up leaving before the

693
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: first day of school the kid, the kids are getting

694
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: ready to come to campus and the coaching because he

695
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: took another job. You gotta, it just comes with it,

696
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: Like there's always gonna be some stuff that we don't

697
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: like that comes with change. And people ask for student

698
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: athletes to get paid in a sense for so long

699
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: and rightfully so in a sense that you gotta take

700
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: some of the negative things that come with it. J

701
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: just won his last Okay, so the good, the bad,

702
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: everything in between. What's made him him, what's made him

703
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: so successful? I think it's I think it's easy. It's

704
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: easier for a coach to get his players to buy

705
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: in and listen and be a part of something bigger

706
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: than themselves when one day see the coach is down in.

707
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: But more importantly, that he really really cares about you,

708
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: because as you know as an athlete, But how does

709
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: he show how does he show you that he cared? Like?

710
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: How did for you personally? How did you know that

711
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: he actually cared about you? Um, just just by the

712
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: conversations that we would have, asking me how I'm doing, um,

713
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: asking me about my mom, telling me about the private

714
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: conversations he's had with my mom about me that I

715
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: didn't even know about at the time. UM. So that

716
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: lets me know, like that this man checking on my

717
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: my family, like you know, I mean, man, we just

718
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: got into a shower and match twenty minutes ago, and

719
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: now he's telling me about how you know what I'm saying,

720
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: he spoke with my family and he loved them, you know.

721
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: So it's just little things like that. Is always he's

722
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: always thinking about what can I do for my players.

723
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: While he while while we were in school, he lets you,

724
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: he lets you yell back at him. I mean, it's

725
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: not necessarily yelled back. But if it's something that I

726
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: don't agree with, I can say, like, I mean what

727
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: you mean, I didn't see that? You got to explain that,

728
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: and he'd be like all right, and then go go

729
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: go about it, because I'm not a disrespectful kid, like

730
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: even if it's something that I understand, understand, But like

731
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: the dudes get heated, right, I mean it happens like

732
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: like you know, it happens, and you know you brush

733
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: it off or you handle it in the moment and

734
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: then move on, or you handled it after practice or whatever.

735
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: M dudes get kicked out of practice. Like all these

736
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: things happen when he when he kicks guys out of practice. Okay,

737
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: so are are when I was nobody got picked kicked

738
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: out of there? Dame, I don't think remember they sent

739
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: you to locker room at Oaklauma State. Did have you

740
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: either go walk the steps? You count those steps, I

741
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: know exactly how many there are. You go home, I'm

742
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: done with you for the day. And like, but when

743
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: they said go home, you had to go in the

744
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: locker room and you're supposed to wait and when the

745
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: assistances should come and talk to you, like, yo, man,

746
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: coach loves you, he just wants the best from you. Whatever.

747
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: Then you go out and he maybe make you run

748
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: the steps down or maybe make you run you hop

749
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: out drills, or maybe they tell you just go home

750
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: for the day, we're good or whatever. At Nova? At Nova,

751
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: what was it like when you get kicked out of practice? Yeah? Yeah,

752
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: so coach kicked you out of practice. You was definitely

753
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: done for the day. You know, run this step, So

754
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: go sit in the locker room. Is hey, man, I

755
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: see you tomorrow, Like maybe I'll call you or I'll

756
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: drive you to your room after this. But for these

757
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: this the rest of this practice and whatever we have

758
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: film or whatever, like yeah, you're done. So that's kind

759
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: of how And then and then did you have to

760
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: call somebody? Did they call you? How did it work

761
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: to show up the next day? Like nothing happened? No, No,

762
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: they would call you. You would have a meeting, our

763
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: talk with coach before practice the next day? For sure?

764
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: Does he what else? Like what else do we not know?

765
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: Like does he ever come in and he doesn't look

766
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: like completely put together. Uh because because Ja Dove always

767
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: g q J man, he always moves, so you know,

768
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: you never catch him slipping like that. I mean, I

769
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: mean pretty much what you guys see on TV is

770
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's legit. He's a legit dude. Man. Nothing

771
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: is phony, nothing's made up. Um, nothing's for TV. You know,

772
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 1: everything is just about the program. And I really really

773
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: enjoyed my time planning for coach writing. Like I said,

774
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: we have a we have a great relationship to this day.

775
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: You know, that's my guy. He always he looks out

776
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: for all of his players, and I think that's what

777
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: makes him a great person as well as every single

778
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: person asked played for him. He wants what's best for

779
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: them and he'll do whatever he can for them. Man,

780
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: it's interesting to work with Pat pat Chambers right right right,

781
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: because Pat is Pats hardcore now right and he but

782
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: but some of that, some of that wasn't as well

783
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: received by some at Penn State. Uh were you used

784
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: to buy him? Like he's your your your guy? What's

785
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 1: what's Pat Chambers really like to play for? No? I mean, listen, man,

786
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: Pat Chambers, he recruited the heck out of me when

787
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: I was coming out of school to try to go

788
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: to Penn State. It was just a tough situation, you know.

789
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: But uh, man, I love coach Chambers man. He's taking

790
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: time to help me, to speak to me, to make

791
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: sure that my mind is good, my body is good.

792
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: He takes time to to work me out. Wait, so

793
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: you didn't play for him, not a minute. I didn't

794
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: play for him, not woman. But I just want people

795
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: to understand that you didn't play for him for one

796
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: minute in college, and yet here he is as insistent

797
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: at another school in Philly, working you out right kind

798
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: of speaks to the type of dude you know. And

799
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: and and the connection that you guys had when he

800
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: recruited you. No, absolutely man, Like I get that too. Yeah.

801
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: And one thing another thing is um one of past

802
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: chambers one of his long time assistance ergo um is

803
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 1: becausez I could graduate. So we had that connection as well.

804
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: There's nothing like a great Gonzaga man. So, like I said,

805
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: I'm so appreciative of Coach Chambers man. You can always

806
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: tell somebody's heart. Um. It doesn't matter what they say, UM,

807
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: you see it through their actions and UM, their willingness

808
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: to help you when when things may be a little tougher,

809
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: things may not be ideal. So shout out to coach

810
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: Pat chambers Man and coach Ashdown and Lassal for let

811
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: me use the facilities. Uh, I'm very very appreciative and thankful.

812
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: And me when I get back to the point where

813
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: I need to be, I'll never ever ever forget uh

814
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: these moments that he took for me because he didn't

815
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: have to. He doesn't have to. Yeah, so um, but

816
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: what I remember what I know about Lasal and I

817
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: think it's still this way right. There's in the summer,

818
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: there's a there's a big workout and that is where

819
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: everybody goes to hoop in Philly. Correct. Still is it

820
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: steel that way? Yeah? Kind of in the sense they've

821
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: been they've been kinda having different different things. They're like,

822
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 1: you know, summer turning man is they have the Danny

823
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: Rump Classic. They're almost every summer, which is like a

824
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: big deal in Philadelphia basketball. A lot of the pros

825
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: come back and playing that for the weekend. So uh,

826
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: like you said, last is like one of those places

827
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: that you know in the summertime, a lot of the

828
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: Philadelphia pros or pros in the area. They kind of

829
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: migrate to um as far did you? Did you guys

830
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: lose any games in the Big Five in your time,

831
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: remember you guys? Yeah, ot a run where I don't

832
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: think you. We didn't lose any Big Five games and

833
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: none of them were double digits. Wait what none of

834
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: the Big Five games that we played in were closer

835
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: than ten points. There were all ten points and above wins.

836
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: That's crazy. So there is no there has to be

837
00:42:53,680 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: no ship talking from other Big five dudes there like wait,

838
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: wait what what? Right? It wasn't within double digits? Like

839
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: we can't even have a conversation here, Like that's great,

840
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: but like if you went you went to LaSalle, you

841
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: went to I mean, I guess even throw a Drexel

842
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: in there, right, just to make them happy, Penn one

843
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: of these one of these places, yeah Temple, like you,

844
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: they can't even there's no conversation they can have with you, right, yeah,

845
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: not not about no Big Five action? Are you a

846
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: Philly guy? Though? Now? Like right, your South Carolina into

847
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: into uh in the Prince William County. Now, like you,

848
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 1: which where is home? I said, where's your home? Where

849
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: is I mean? Home? Will always be PG County just

850
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: because of what I felt like it did for me.

851
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: But I do spend majority of my time in the

852
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Speaker 1: Villanova area on my mom, my grandfather, and my sisters,

853
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: my biological family. They recently just moved to Berlinton, New Jersey,

854
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Speaker 1: so I spent a lot of time going to see

855
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Speaker 1: my grandfather and my family out there, um whenever I can.

856
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm definitely in the Philadelphia area. I'm Philadelphia

857
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: Eagles fans, been been a fan since so for um, yeah, man,

858
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: I just felt like Philly, Philly is like my second home.

859
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: So are you a teo guy or are you mcnabbed guy?

860
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Speaker 1: I'm one thousand percent of Tara owns. Got Tara Owns

861
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Speaker 1: is the reason why I love the Eagles and why

862
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: I love football the way that I do. He and

863
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: Randy Moss, why didn't you play football? Why why don't

864
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: you keep playing football? You got like pretty perfect football body,

865
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: great hands, body size. Yeah, I mean I didn't want

866
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: people running into me at that speed or me running

867
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Speaker 1: into them like something about it just didn't seem right

868
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Speaker 1: to me. So I stopped my ninth great year. I

869
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: didn't play Chaco football after that. When you're done hooping?

870
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: What do you want to do? Man? And I feel

871
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: like I could give you an answer like I want

872
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: to be a commentator, I want to be a broadcast,

873
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: I want to be a coach, I want to be this,

874
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: I want to be that, But I feel like that's

875
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: so surface level. Um, Honestly, man, all I want to

876
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: do in my life is just be a good dude.

877
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: I want to be somebody that you know when people

878
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Speaker 1: speak about them, are people around them and be like,

879
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: you know what, man, that he's just a great guy.

880
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: And because all the other stuff I'll take care of,

881
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: you know that that's nothing. That that number a little

882
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: bit of hard work. But every day I wake up,

883
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: the first thing I want to do, man, The only

884
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Speaker 1: thing I want to do really is just be a

885
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: solid individual, a good person. Yeah. That's It's an incredible

886
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: way to look at to look at life. Uh, and

887
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: kind of opportunities just kind of come that way. Um,

888
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Speaker 1: if you were to if you were to speak to

889
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Speaker 1: another kid who was in high school, got some family

890
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: stuff and he's heavy, right, and you know how much

891
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: it changed your life? What's the what's the couple of

892
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: key things that you can tell a kid that will

893
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: help him start that path without all the benefits you

894
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: had of a great strength coach and university helping me.

895
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: I mean, the first thing I would I would tell

896
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: them to do is just the first thing is drink

897
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: a lot of water. You'd be surprised, I mus, wait,

898
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: you lose by just drinking water and that So that'd

899
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: be the first thing. And then the second thing I

900
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: would tell them as far as eating is just portion control.

901
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: You don't have to eat all your food in one setting.

902
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: You know, you could eat some now and then come back.

903
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: You can eat something now and saving until the next day. Um.

904
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: Your your objective when you eat is not to eat

905
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: yourself to be full. And that's something that took me

906
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: a long time to realize. Every time I ate up

907
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: until a certain point, I wanted to feel full. And

908
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, when you're high level acthlete, eating to your

909
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: fool it's not It's not something that you should do.

910
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: So those are probably some of the things that I

911
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: would tell them just off rip. Just just in a

912
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: casual conversation. You mentioned the creating game. Your freshman year

913
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: kind of changed, how hard you had to work. Do

914
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 1: you have Is there anything you tell yourself, like everybody

915
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: has those mornings you get up like, bro, I do

916
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Speaker 1: not want to do it today, Like I just don't

917
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: what what is? How do you trick your mind? How?

918
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 1: How did you get yourself to go to the gym

919
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: during those times? Honestly, I I it's usually a phone

920
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 1: call with my uncle. My uncle Greg who uh he's

921
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: from Washington. He's from the Washington D c. Area, from Trinidad.

922
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: Um ended up playing basketball a little bit, and he

923
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: didn't He would tell you, didn't handle certain things the

924
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: way that he should have, and that kind of derailed

925
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Speaker 1: a lot of his things. Like my see, my uncle

926
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: was so good. He went to a little school called

927
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: Cliffin University, nobody really ever heard of, and he still

928
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Speaker 1: was able to get to work out with the Boston

929
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Speaker 1: Celtics just off the strength of how good he was individually.

930
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Speaker 1: No agent, no nothing. So I just have a conversation

931
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Speaker 1: with my uncle and he and he and he just

932
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Speaker 1: telled me like, look, you don't want to have old

933
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: glory stories. You don't want to be the guy that's

934
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: sitting at on it with it being talking about how

935
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: good he used to be in high school and college.

936
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: Coach to coach trule say all it right, coach teacher,

937
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: somebody screwed him, right, But really it's it's you. Did

938
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: you screw yourself because you didn't get up and go

939
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: to the work exactly. So that that kind of askes

940
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: to my motivation my mom, you know, because my mom

941
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: gets up. She's been a hard working woman her whole life.

942
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: So speaking my mom, seeing my mom um, that that

943
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: all gives me motivation to just think that, you know what, like, yeah,

944
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: it may be tough right now, you may not be

945
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: where you want to be right now, but there's better

946
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: days ahead. Just keep your head down, keep grinding. You know.

947
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: Somebody I'm gonna say to you, which I hope you

948
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: take it in the right and where it comes from

949
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: a total positive place, which is, um, you it's kind

950
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: of where we started, which is you did something really

951
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: no one else has ever done, and so obviously you have.

952
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: I love the idea. I just want to be a

953
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: good dude every day, and you you want to keep

954
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: getting better every day. But I would beg of you

955
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: to never run from the you hit that one shot, right,

956
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: It's like that. It's like the band like, oh, you're

957
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: a one hit wonder, Like do you know, many bands

958
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: never have a hit, right even and oh yeah, by

959
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: the way, you were a great player. It wasn't like

960
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 1: you were a bum who hit a chef who comes

961
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: in out the bench because everybody else got hurt and

962
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: got voul trouble and then you hit a lucky shot. Right.

963
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: Wasn't one of those deals. It was you're a really

964
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: good player and then you did what you're supposed to

965
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: do at the at the optimal time, and your team

966
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: won because of it. But like I would, for the

967
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: rest of your life, embrace the fact that yeah, if, if, if,

968
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: that's all you remember before, even though there's a lot

969
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: more to me. That's something that no one else can say.

970
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: Like you can literally walk into the biggest ring in

971
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,959
Speaker 1: the country with all the greatest basket players. Not one

972
00:49:55,120 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: person in this gym did what you did. Think about that,

973
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: that's unbelievable. It's like the Doug Flootie thing. Like Doug

974
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: Flutie dudes with teasing for years about being a one

975
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: past one. Right. He went played in the CFL and

976
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 1: the NFL whatever, but he's forever known for the one

977
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: passing through And you know, you want a high Soo

978
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: trophy and a bunch of other things, like you know what,

979
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: that one passed. No one else did that ship. See, yeah,

980
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: I never looked at it like that, and because I

981
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: always wanted to. I never wanted to just stop and

982
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: think about that, because if I did that, then I

983
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: knew that I wouldn't be working towards the other things

984
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: that I needed. But not that you put it in

985
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: a in a way like that. Uh, it makes it

986
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: makes a little bit more sense to me. Okay, So um,

987
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: you mentioned how much Daniel sweated. Okay, right, okay, how

988
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: smart jailing is? Okay, tell me something about Arch that

989
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: nobody else, I mean, the guy. I mean, I'm gonna

990
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna just try to say it like this.

991
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: He's a four year captain of Illanova. He's a stingior.

992
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: He's hitting numerous game winners for us before. So for

993
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: him to be a senior with the ball in his hands,

994
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: his very last game at Villanova where both of his

995
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: parents went, his very last game where his brother goes.

996
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: Now very very last game him wearing a Villanova University jersey.

997
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: He was so unselfish and turned down a good shot

998
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: for a wide open shot, and that I think that

999
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 1: just That sums it up about Art as a person

1000
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: right there, And that's why you guys were who you were.

1001
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: That's why he won so much because you are who

1002
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: your best players exactly, especially senior I know HIMSS senior captains.

1003
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: That's like, no, this is my moment. I'm shooting that,

1004
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: whether I'm triple team or not. Well, I mean, I'm

1005
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: pretty sure you know a couple of guys that when

1006
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: y'all were in school. There's no way he's passing this.

1007
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't care if the guys standing over there by himself,

1008
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: but for ars to to to be that kind of player,

1009
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: to be that kind of person, I mean, that says

1010
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: everything that needs to be said right there. Get healthy.

1011
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Speaker 1: it's one of one and and national Chance you game

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Speaker 1: updated on on where you decided to go, and thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining me. No, thank you, I

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Speaker 1: really really appreciate you taking the time to want to

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Speaker 1: speak to me and go cats. I mean, well it

1032
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Speaker 1: was really good, really good and informative and obviously, like

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Speaker 1: I'm still kind of learning what the n f T

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Speaker 1: thing is, but the idea of a one of one

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Speaker 1: of his game winning shot sounds pretty dope. That part

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Speaker 1: I do understand, right in the in the metaverse, if

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Speaker 1: shot in college basketball history. All right, that part at

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