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Speaker 1: You're listening to the third and final part of Unexplained,

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Speaker 1: Season seven, episode fourteen, If These Walls Could Scream. Twenty

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Speaker 1: one year old at Lisa Lamb, visiting La from Vancouver,

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Speaker 1: who was last seen at the Stay on Maine hostel,

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Speaker 1: has been missing for almost three weeks. On the morning

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Speaker 1: of February nineteenth, Sabrina Barr, a guest at the Cecil

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Speaker 1: three similar calls that morning. Around the same time, maintenance

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Speaker 1: worker Santiago Lopez was already on the case. Over in

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Speaker 1: the bathroom of room seven twenty, he turned the taps

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Speaker 1: at the sink and watched with revulsion as dark, discolored

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Speaker 1: From there, he made his way to the roof access door,

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Speaker 1: It had just gone one in the afternoon when Detective

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Speaker 1: next two hours, news helicopters circled overhead as La Fire

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Speaker 1: Department nine worked to extricate the body from the cistern,

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Speaker 1: Unable to lift it out of the small access hatch. Instead,

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Speaker 1: January thirty first, confirming that it was Alisa they had

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Speaker 1: An assessment of the scene was quickly initiated. Danelli ordered

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Speaker 1: of any number of possibilities, such hypotheticals were pointless. All

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Speaker 1: diligently took snippets of fingernail hair and pubic hair from

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Speaker 1: They hoped the tests would help to determine whether Elisa

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Speaker 1: After another month of investigations, the LAPD detectives were left

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Coroner, broughed Elisa's death to be caused by

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Speaker 1: its acronym ELISA. The test kit specific to the type

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Speaker 1: same time of Elisa Lamb's death is known as the

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Speaker 1: LAMB Elisa. Inevitably, due to the mysterious nature of Elisa

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Speaker 1: In China alone. After being shared on the video hosting

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Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty four often complained of similar experiences. One

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Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, a young resident of Riverside County apparently

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