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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today is kind of

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Speaker 1: a special day because we get to actually step outside

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Speaker 1: pretty cool. We're going to talk about what the future

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Speaker 1: of space exploration looks like, what we can do when

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Speaker 1: we're tourists in space, can we be tourists in space?

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Speaker 1: All of these things. And I love this because I

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Speaker 1: love the fact that there are people who are like,

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Speaker 1: why do we even need space, People who went to

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Speaker 1: the extent of actually creating a show called Space Force

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Speaker 1: to make fun of Space Force, when you actually definitely

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Speaker 1: need Space Force. And we're going to talk about that

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Speaker 1: so that people really understand that everything in space actually

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Speaker 1: impacts everything here in your life. And you may think

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Speaker 1: there's no way, but I know that there is not

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Speaker 1: one of you out there listening right now that has

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Speaker 1: those things that all happen because space is out there.

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Speaker 1: So I want to make sure you fully understand how

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Speaker 1: policy of commercial activity in outer space. Mary, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Tutor, Hello, It's so good to see you and

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Speaker 2: to be here with a friend talking about my favorite subject,

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Speaker 2: which is space.

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Speaker 3: And just to be very clear, I am not an expert,

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Speaker 2: Know a fair bit, so I'm so happy to get

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Speaker 1: Well, I would assume that there's not really a whole

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Speaker 1: we're trying to expand space exploration and actually get people

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Speaker 1: So explain is this actually, first of all, we're all

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Speaker 1: So how does this work?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, Tudor as a young girl,

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Speaker 2: Tutor Dixon podcasts, you're using space systems, right, And so

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Speaker 2: Finding is that, just like anything, commercial industry drives innovation,

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Speaker 3: Like that that are really collaborative with all Earthlings.

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Speaker 1: Right, how do satellites like that work? Are they owned

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so satellites are owned by various different entities. Obviously

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Speaker 2: And so as Americans, we can be happy for Space

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. Well, I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: us are sitting here wondering, Okay, so if we have

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Speaker 1: Now now there's the opportunity to maybe just travel there

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Speaker 1: But there are also some limitations to that right now,

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Speaker 2: the new The new thing to consider is that you

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Speaker 2: The government's various governments will still train astronauts, they will

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Speaker 1: I don't think space is a safe place from that.

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. We've already seen Iran sending animals

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Speaker 1: to let her do that? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Obviously she's an adult, but there would be a huge

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Speaker 1: part of me that would go, oh, no, way, you're

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Speaker 1: not getting on that rocket. You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm from Akron, Ohio, and Krista mcculliffe was a teacher

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Speaker 2: from Firestone High School, and I went to a neighboring

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Speaker 2: school called Coventry High School, and we watched. I was

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Speaker 2: in middle school that day, and it was just very,

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Speaker 2: very sad. But the beautiful thing about America and life

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Speaker 2: is that innovation moves on and it inspires you. And

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Speaker 2: part of the and why I got involved in all

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Speaker 2: the things that I do, it's because I have a

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Speaker 2: nephew who wants to live on Mars, and I have

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Speaker 2: a family member who's going to be going up on

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Speaker 2: one of those billionaire space flights, which you know, potentially

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Speaker 2: we're going to reroute to like Jupiter or somewhere really fun.

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Speaker 3: Just send them the deep space.

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Speaker 2: Just joking, of course, but no, I mean, in all honesty,

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Speaker 2: we want our family members who will be traveling. You know,

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Speaker 2: this is inevitable, but we want it to be as

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Speaker 2: safe as possible, and we want to know and understand,

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Speaker 2: you know, all of the health benefits you never We

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Speaker 2: just don't know right now. If somebody travels from space

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Speaker 2: gets on the ISS, what bacteria are they exposed to?

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Speaker 2: What you know, the radiation.

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Speaker 3: I think we're pretty clear on that. The folks at

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Speaker 3: NASA got that all sorted out, but there's just so

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Speaker 3: many unanswered questions.

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Speaker 1: We're only run into other folks out there.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, But what do I know? I

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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 1: I So, you don't know if these aliens in Peru

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Speaker 1: are real?

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Speaker 3: You know what I know?

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Speaker 2: I know that there's there are a lot of things

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Speaker 2: flying around in space. There's orbital debris, which we haven't

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Speaker 2: even spoken about yet, but it's basically trash flying around

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Speaker 2: in space. And you know, there are drones, there are

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Speaker 2: weird you know, operations from time to time from countries

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Speaker 2: who aren't sharing what they're doing with us.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, I don't I don't really believe it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's another thing that I'm sitting here thinking

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I mean, it's so much different than

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Speaker 1: where we live now. So you go, say, you go

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Speaker 1: to the Moon and you see I mean, we saw

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Speaker 1: the first steps on the Moon and obviously there's no

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Speaker 1: gravity there, so there's no garbage dumps. There's like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about this massive amount of food and supplies

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Speaker 1: you have to bring up and then that that all

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Speaker 1: becomes garbage and waste. Where does does that all just float?

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Speaker 1: Does human waste just feel like what happens? I Mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a really different thinking about it that way is

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Speaker 1: just really different than the world that we live in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, let's not get into the human waste discussion.

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Speaker 2: But what I can say is, you know, one of

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Speaker 2: the things that civilians what we refer to them as

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Speaker 2: civilian spaceflight participant, So these are not astronauts, that there

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Speaker 2: are civilian space flight participants, and you know they're going

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Speaker 2: to be women, and there are certain things that happen

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Speaker 2: when you're a woman, and so those there will be

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Speaker 2: necessary precautions. There will be things that are in that

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Speaker 2: you have to really consider if you're going to stay

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Speaker 2: in outer space, and you know in a in an

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Speaker 2: environment with no gravity, there are there are health concerns, right,

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Speaker 2: and so those things will be some of the considerations.

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Speaker 2: If you have a discibil you know, if you're hearing

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Speaker 2: a paired for example, being in outer space, that it

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Speaker 2: could be very very different than being here on the ground,

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Speaker 2: if you you know. I By the way, the future

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Speaker 2: of space is commercial and there are so many commercial

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Speaker 2: operations that are that are creating great technologies training paarat astronauts.

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Speaker 2: These are folks that have spinal issues, so being in

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Speaker 2: a gravity, being an anti gravity will be really an

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Speaker 2: amazing experience for them and the benefits that we could

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Speaker 2: see from these folks getting their chance to go to space.

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Speaker 2: It's just unlimited medical research and figuring out how to

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Speaker 2: help people here on earth, loyal earthlings like ourselves. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I will be two feet on the ground. You won't

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Speaker 2: see me in any of those contractions.

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Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you coming on and telling us all

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Speaker 1: about this, and when these as these space stations are

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Speaker 1: being built, we'll have you back to talk about it

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Speaker 1: because that fascinates me. And I know, looking at the

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Speaker 1: numbers of there is really truly a curiosity and it

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Speaker 1: seems like there will be a significant amount of people

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Speaker 1: who will want to be doing this. And as it

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Speaker 1: becomes more commonplace and people and the prices go down,

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Speaker 1: I imagine we'll see a lot of people. So we'll

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Speaker 1: chat again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, and at that point we'll delve into insurance ensuring

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Speaker 2: people going into space, because that's the next big thing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I imagine, I mean it is. I can

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Speaker 1: see how it's an entire industry and it will be

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Speaker 1: bringing in massive amounts of money to different industries. It's

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Speaker 1: just interesting to think about how many different industries have

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Speaker 1: to be involved just to get one rocket up there

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Speaker 1: and to have people up there will be pretty incredible.

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Speaker 3: Yep, it's coming the futures now, Mary.

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Speaker 1: Cale, thank you so much for coming on today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks jud I appreciate it.

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