1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie. 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: Let's set the stage for this. Uh, let's travel back 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: in time to around nine. Um. I was but a 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: wee child, so I was not actually watching the news 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: or reading the New York Times. But it was reported 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: in the New York Times that the CDC Centers for 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: Disease Control headquartered here in Atlanta, our fair city. People 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: who watch The Walking Dad know that that's a big 11 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: claim to thing. And people who play the board game Pandemic. 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: So CDC Centers for Disease Control they were suddenly really 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: interested in eighteen deaths that had occurred over the last 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: four years. They were all apparently healthy uh Laotian refugees, 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: all except for one woman, right, Yeah, one woman the 16 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: rest man. They were all ethnic mong people. These were 17 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: a native ethnic group that had fled Laos due to 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: some severe crackdowns. Yeah in front I've read to this 19 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: is an isolated culture or similar to that of the 20 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: American Indian and their religion is an animist one, so 21 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: it's governed by spirits and manifestations of the soul. Yeah, 22 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: like like a lot of old religions very you know, 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: have this kind of vibe going on. But they escaped 24 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: some brutal conditions, so they you know, they had there's 25 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: a lot of stress most likely going on with some 26 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: postraumatic stress syndrome disorder as well, and they're winding up 27 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: dead like in the wee hours of the morning in 28 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: their sleep, dying right, Completely mysterious and actually really chilling 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: that these these mostly men were going to sleep and 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: they were fit people, and yep, all of a sudden, 31 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: this is happening all over the country, right, because they're 32 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: spread out in different cities, just one area of the country, right, 33 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: different refuging this. Yeah. So doctor started to put it 34 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: together and sort of say, oh, this is very odd 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: that these same people, the same refugees, these group of 36 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: people are dying in their sleep. What's going on? Yeah. 37 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: One thing that they thought might be going on was 38 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: the possibility, and they were looking into this, the possibility 39 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: that they were being scared to death by nightmares in 40 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: their sleep, that nightmares were killing them in their sleep. Yeah. 41 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: And at that time too, they termed it oriental nightmare 42 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 1: death syndrome, which of course has been updated since then. Yeah, 43 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: like every part of that except for except for the 44 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: syndrome has been updated for various reasons, as we'll explore. Uh, 45 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: it's not really about nightmares, and of course we don't 46 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: use the word oriental anymore either. But what's what's fascinating 47 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: about it is that it does. It does really give 48 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: you the chills because there is that just the possibility 49 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: that something in our dreams could kill us is it's something. 50 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: It just continues to fascinate us though. I mean, you 51 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: see it in our in our stories and our our fiction, 52 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: in our mythology, in our like third grade lunch room conversations. 53 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: You know where you here maybe for the first time. 54 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: Oh did you know that if you fall in your dream, 55 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: if you don't wake up before you hit the ground, 56 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: you'll die, right right? We always have the Boogeyman in 57 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: the back of our minds, so I can't help it. 58 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: No matter what culture you're from, you have some sort 59 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: of story. And the reason why this is frightening is 60 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: is that it actually does bear some weight. We'll talk 61 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: about this a little bit, but you possibly could scare 62 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: yourself to death, to a certain degree, and it's possible. 63 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: It's possible, um, and we'll talk about that is it's 64 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: um it's not something that obviously happens all the time, 65 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: or else we would all be dropping dead right now, right. 66 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: Don't lose any sleepover, No, nothing to leave sleepover. But 67 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: it is an interesting a reality for some people. And 68 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: so you can see that in some cultures that this 69 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: idea has really taken root, this idea that you could 70 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: dine your sleep or that um, something could come and 71 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: visit you in the middle of the night and basically 72 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: take your life. Yeah, and we'd discussed in the past. 73 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: I mean sleep and dreams. It's a state of the 74 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: human mind where a lot of the rules sort of 75 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: shift and change. I mean, obviously, the brain is tricked 76 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: into believing that that the dream is reality during the 77 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: dream for the most part, unless you're lucid dreaming that alone, 78 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: you're you're in a world where suddenly even the most 79 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: fantastic of happenings is believed by the mind. And then 80 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: you throw in all these various uh, you know, parasomnia 81 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: events that we've discussed in the past, and it becomes 82 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: even weirder. Like so you're saying like sleep paralysis right 83 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: where you have woken up, but your body is still 84 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: locked down because the body parents sort of goes into 85 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: the state of paralysis to keep you from say, you know, 86 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 1: you're your kung fu fighting a zombie in your dream. 87 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: You don't want to do that in your bed next 88 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: to your significant other because then a disaster ensues. Sleep paralysis, 89 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: as we've discussed before, you wake up, but those locks 90 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: are still down, so you're like, I'm awake, but I 91 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: a move. What's going on? U? Add that you may 92 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: have just been having some sort of troubling dream. Yeah, 93 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: add that to the mix of h when you have 94 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: sleep apnea. And at times some people can wake up 95 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: and be a little bit confused about what state they're 96 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: in sleep or um, whether or not they're actually waking, 97 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: and they'll have a sexual arousal basically um in mostly 98 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: a sleep state. And so take that with the sleep paralysis, UH, 99 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: cultural taboos, cultural stories, and all of a sudden, you've 100 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: got a suckubus or incubus hanging out with my bed 101 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: right like the I like to think about, like thick 102 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: a medieval monk. They're trying to live this really non 103 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: sexual life and then in the middle of the night, whoa, 104 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: you're you know, your your aroused, your dreaming, You're waking 105 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: up in this weird state. So you end up with 106 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: this cognitive distance where where what's happening is it a 107 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: sharp contrast with what should be happening and uh, and 108 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: so we end up having to create this external version 109 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: of of of you know, it must have been a demon, 110 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: must have been a demon, must have been a spirit, 111 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: must have there was something uh external um attacking me. 112 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: And and you see shades of this throughout different cultures 113 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: and mythologies. Yeah, I mean, you know, we're gonna talk 114 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: about folklore a little bit more surrounding this, but I 115 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: did want to mention that in South Asian populations that 116 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: this sudden unexplained death syndrome that we're going to get 117 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: into it seems to be a bit higher in this population. 118 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: And you will also see that there is um a 119 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: lot of folklore around this, this idea of being visited 120 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: by a demon in your sleep. Um. In fact, let's 121 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit. So what do you 122 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: got You gotta listen suspects here I do. This is 123 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: actually from a fourteen Times article that you had sent me. 124 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: And in Japan, um this this type of death in 125 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: your dream or what they think is happening people dying 126 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: from their nightmares is called polke kuri, the Filipinos call 127 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: it and glunt or body bot. And the Mong people 128 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna say that the entire podcast, aren't you? And 129 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: the Mong people of Vietnam and laos Um. Of course, 130 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: we just talked about the Latian people that died in 131 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: their sleep suddenly and unexpectedly. They call it sobs swung um. 132 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: And in Thailand it's called the widow ghost who comes 133 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: to steal away the souls of young men. And it's 134 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: mostly young men. They are experienced, that's right. So just 135 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: imagine this. Imagine that this is happening in your culture, 136 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: this sudden death among healthy men mostly. So what do 137 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: they do. They defend themselves by wearing lipstick at night. 138 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: I read that, so that the ghost mistakes them for 139 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: women and leaves them alone. It's also an excellent excuse 140 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: for why you woke up the next morning with lipstick 141 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: all over your face. You know that too. Yeah, I 142 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: had to defend myself from the body. But yeah, it's 143 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: like I wasn't out snoozing it up. I wasn't out 144 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: wearing lipstick. I just protective measure against the spirits to night. Yeah, 145 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: that's just yeah, of course. And then you're like, okay, 146 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: that is this ironclad excuse I cannot say anything about that. 147 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: But let's talk about that body about just a little 148 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: bit more because I find it fascinating, um and the 149 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: and the Philippines. The body is an obese female demon 150 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: that lives in the trees. There is a picture of 151 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: this that you found an artist interpretation, um and well, 152 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: I will I will definitely link to it in the 153 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: accompanying blog post for this yes, which you'll find on 154 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: the house stufforks blogs and and linked on the Facebook. 155 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: Can you describe this image? She appears to be made 156 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: out of pooh. That's That's the first thing that I 157 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: think came to mind for you. And then the second 158 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: is that she's got red lasers that are coming out 159 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: of her eye holes and her her mouth hole, and 160 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: she's sitting on the poor unsuspecting person, like sitting on 161 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: there face and suffocating them to death. And it was 162 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: we I've never have you see plenty of artists depictions 163 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: of a night terror or a night spirit a setting 164 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: on the chest. Like there's you know, the famous series 165 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: of paintings European paintings where you see the little squat 166 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: little man sitting on the person's chest and there's like 167 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: a nightmare horse or just you know, a nightmare sticking 168 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: its head through the curtain behind. Yeah, like, you know, 169 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: that's a famous image. So the idea of setting on 170 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: the chest is well established. But but the but sitting 171 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: on the face, that's just really through well in the 172 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: arts depiction too. Of whether or not here she knew it. 173 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: Maybe this, this being this demon being made out of 174 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: pooh makes it even a little bit more unsavory. Yeah, 175 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: but you might want to know, like or you might 176 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: say to yourself, why in the world would she exact 177 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: this revenge on this person anyway? And the reason is 178 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: is because her beef is she was sitting up in 179 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: that tree. You hacked it down and then you used 180 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: it for either your bed post or is a support 181 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: beam in your home. So she conveniently shape shifts into 182 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: one of the little peg holes and then when you 183 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: fall asleep, that is when she makes remove again. We 184 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: get back to like these animistic views of the world 185 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: in which every part of nature has some sort of 186 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: spirit to it, and therefore, if you're striking out against 187 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: anything in the world, you're potentially ticking off a spirit. Yeah. Right, So, 188 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's kind of again, it's the cultural thing, 189 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: like don't don't without potentially angering the spirit. World really 190 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: a touchy world. It's a very touchy world. But I 191 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: mean there's there's definitely an environmental factor. They're right, don't 192 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: denied the forest or she will sit on your face. Um, 193 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: but let's talk about what was really going on with 194 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: these locations. Yeah, we will get to that right after 195 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: this quick break. This podcast is brought to you by Intel, 196 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: the sponsors of Tomorrow and the Discovery Channel. At Intel, 197 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: we believe curiosity is the spark which drives innovation. Join 198 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: us at curiosity dot com and explore the answers to 199 00:10:54,960 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: life's questions. All right, So, eighteen deadly oceans, all in 200 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: the course of four year period, four of them in 201 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: the eighteen month period, right, Yeah, Yeah, which was really freaky, 202 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: and all of them seemingly healthy. These are not old people, 203 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: they're not infirmed, they're they're not suffering from some sort 204 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: of weird illness. They're just suddenly dead, and they died 205 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: in their sleep, and there's the suspicion, what if it 206 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: was a nightmare? Well and and again they before this 207 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: uh in that back in the day one, they had 208 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: called it the nightmare death syndrome um. And this sort 209 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: of became the key candidate for what was going on. 210 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: They thought, Okay, someone just just died in their sleep. 211 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: And again you're dealing with people who have been refugees, 212 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: who have experienced lots and lots of stress, right, and 213 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: lots of he will lots of change. Um. But what 214 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: they find out is that this is actually something called 215 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: Brugata syndrome. Yeah, it's the underlying cause for the sudden, 216 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: unexplained death. And and and it's noteworthy that it's connected 217 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: to people of the Southeast Southeast Asian descent. Yeah, because 218 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: it's a genetic factor. It's uh in the same way 219 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: certain genetic markers appear in certain ethnic groups more than others, 220 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: or or appear in exclusively in certain ethnic groups. Southeast 221 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: Asia is where you encounter this, or people of Southeast 222 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: Asian descent. Yea. Not everyone who has the condition dies 223 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: in their sleep. And you know it actually has nothing 224 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: to do with with nightmares. It's an inherited heart rhythm disorder, 225 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: and we can actually pinpoint the gene responsible to it. 226 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: It's a gene called sc N five A, which controls 227 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: the flow of sodium ions into heart cells. All right, 228 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: This flow of ions generates the electrical field that controls 229 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: heartbeat regularity. Isn't that trippy? Yeah? So when the flow fails, 230 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: the heart fibrillates. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean just I mean, 231 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: I knew that we had an electrical field around our heart, 232 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: but to think that it's so sensitive that something like 233 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: that could just trip it and all of a sudden 234 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: you've got these irregularities. Um. And in fact, there's Dr 235 00:12:55,360 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: Pedro Brugatta of Brugotta syndrome. He came across this unusual pattern. 236 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. He found that he had a patient who 237 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: he suspected had something weird going on, and uh so 238 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: he hooked him up to e G and it showed 239 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: this activity and the heart and it, as you say, 240 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: it looked like a shark fin, which became known as 241 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: br Brugatta sign a sign it's Brugatta sign Um. I 242 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: don't know. He's Italian now, right, Brugatta. But what is 243 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: when of the key indicators that the patient could suffer 244 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: from this really rare syndrome. UM. And that, my friend, 245 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: is what was happening with our friends, the loations that 246 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: that all died in this four year period. Now, the 247 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: cool thing is is that we can we can treat this. 248 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: We can with severe cases, you can actually put an 249 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: electrical implant in the body that will will address the problem. 250 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: Uh and uh in the foreseeable future. I mean we're 251 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: gonna be able to to use like gene therapies on 252 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: this and tack tackle the mutation head on. So that's 253 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: even even more encouraging. Yeah, which is I mean, you 254 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: know that's the it's it's awful that people had died 255 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: from that. In certainly it must have been terrifying in 256 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: that culture too, because we all know we have this 257 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: confirmation bias, right, we take all these different details from 258 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: our lives and we put it together to make some 259 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: sort of case about something. So imagine you're from this um, 260 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: from from Laos and this happens, and you say, ah, yes, 261 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: it was the demon that got them, you know, because 262 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: they have these weird amount of people dying from something 263 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: that was completely unexplained. Um. Heretofore. Now, we know about 264 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: the eighteen louisitions, but that doesn't explain why we have 265 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: a disproportionately large amount of um deaths in this culture. Again, uh, stemming, 266 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: it seems from fear. Yeah, it's possible that you could 267 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: be scared to death, right, Yeah, it's possible. I mean 268 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: you have to sort of break down, like what happens 269 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: when we get afraid. Obviously, there is a it's a 270 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: physical there's a physical manifestation to the fear. It's a 271 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: it's flight or fright. Something bad is happening in your 272 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: body needs to prep for possibly running away from it 273 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: or duking out, duking it out, you know. So um, 274 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, you're your strength surges through your strength surgers 275 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: through your muscles. Uh, so you can run or you know, 276 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: or or punch something. Your pupils dilate your you start 277 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: breathing faster, and a number of chemicals, a whole cocktail 278 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: of things, including adrenaline, began pumping through your bloodstream so 279 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: intense you know, the activity in the body is intensified. Okay, 280 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: So you have that going on, and then you have 281 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: something that's almost like a self fulfilled prophecy, because again 282 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: you've got this cultural equation going on. And in one 283 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: of the studies I read, they were looking at and 284 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: I can't believe. I can't remember if it's a Korean 285 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: or it's a Chinese similar word for fourign death, but 286 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: they're very very close, so foreign death. It's not not 287 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: a good number in this um, in this culture. And 288 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: what they were finding is that there there seemed to 289 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: be a larger number of deaths happening on the fourth 290 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: of each month. And it's not that that, you know, 291 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: four has some sort of power over people in this culture. 292 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: It's that people were sort of anticipating that the fourth 293 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: was going to come up. So if you have, you know, 294 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: some sort of condition or you're under a lot of stress, 295 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: is very possible that he'd almost talk yourself into saying, 296 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: oh gosh, the fourth is coming up, and it becomes 297 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: like this self fulfilled prophecy for yourself. And uh. Molly 298 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: Edmunds wrote this great article on hostaff works dot com 299 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: called can you really Scare someone to death? And she 300 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: was saying that it's very hard to um say how 301 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: often these sudden deaths occur, because most accounts of sudden 302 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: deaths are in otherwise healthy people in this anecdotal, right, 303 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: But what she did say that one of the most 304 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: famous reports of sudden death was published in nineteen forty 305 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: two by Harvard physiologist Walter B. Cannon, and he reported 306 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: a phenomenon that he had called the voodoo death. So 307 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: what he found is that, um that a lot of 308 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: sudden deaths were occurring in places where there were some 309 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: form of voodoo or black magic being practiced South America, Africa, Australia, 310 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: and New Zealand. And he recounted the sudden deaths of 311 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: healthy men who had been cursed by a medicine, man 312 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: accused of eating forbidden food items, and injured by spears 313 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: that were said to be enchanted. So Cannon noted that 314 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: many of the men have possibly brought about their own 315 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: deaths by refusing food and water, but also that they 316 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: died essentially because of this fear that was perpetuated in 317 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: their society. So the corporal scenario, the supernatural scenario is created, yes, 318 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: in which being scared to death is possible. Yeah, I 319 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: mean what with this article characters, and then that's the 320 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: outcome of the play. And then what he was saying is, 321 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: I think it's an overactive sympathetic nervous system, so the 322 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: conditions are there. All of a sudden, you're a migdala, right, 323 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: which is so great for trying to ferret out to 324 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: saber tooth tiger. UH is overactive now in this other 325 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: instance where the risk you know, is really actually low. 326 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: You know this this UH, this old man with a 327 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: stick and can actually kill you, but it should be 328 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: a very low risk. But that person in the amygdala 329 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: and and the body is now perceiving it as a 330 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: real threat and reacting to it. And this is really 331 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: going to stress out all the tissues in your heart 332 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: um the rest of your body. It's really going to 333 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: take a toll on it again, making it a little 334 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: bit easier for you to possibly die from this, especially 335 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: if you're not taking any food or death or food 336 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: food or death food or water. So they're like cats. 337 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: When cats get sick, then like it creates that scenario, 338 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: like you know where cats refuse to eat and then 339 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: they die because it's like like they're sick, I'm not 340 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: gonna eat anymore. Yeah, I don't know. I mean they 341 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: kind of just seem to batten down the hatches when 342 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: cats get sick, sort of like just leave me alone. 343 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: We see if I can heal myself, and I'm just 344 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: gonna get over to this corner like the witch doctor 345 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: is essentially making them act like a cat. It's possible, 346 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: It's possible. But this other this article talked about another 347 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: instance in which Boston neurologist Martin A. Samuel's believes that 348 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: the sudden death of the former and ron CEO Kenneth 349 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: lay And July thousand and six could have been the 350 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: result of fear of a looming prison sentence or black 351 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: magic or black that's very possible that he had some 352 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: some voodoo dolls with sticks in him with his name 353 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: on it. But there's also something called broken heart syndrome, 354 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: which believe that people die broken heart. And again it's 355 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: not that they die from a broken heart per se, 356 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: but it could be that extreme extreme emotions caused something 357 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: that looks like heart failure or heart attack. Um, but 358 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: in fact it's a little bit different because blood clots 359 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: and clogged arteries that caused cardiac conditions were absent. Instead, 360 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: the heart was just weak from stressful emotions. My mom 361 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: claims that she almost had a heart attack when she 362 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: saw the first Dirty Harry movie in the theaters. Really well, okay, 363 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: so she was frightened. She was what it was just 364 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: so tense, It was so you know, exhilarating, you know 365 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: that she just she was just like, oh my goodness, 366 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: I think I almost had a heart attack. Well have 367 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: you ever had someone sneak up on you and you 368 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: really literally gasp for breath and in your whole body 369 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: just stops, it just kind of shutters itself. Every time 370 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: you come up to my desk listening to music in 371 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: my headphones, I try to tap gently and get your 372 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: attention before I scare you. Well, it's not every time, 373 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: but sometimes I'll be really into something and and somebody 374 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: will come up and you know, so, yeah, I I 375 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: that happens every day. I think you know, it's possible. 376 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: I Mean, the good news here is that it's very 377 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: rare to die from from something like this. I mean, 378 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: obviously you'd have to have some sort of conditions in place. 379 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: And when you think about the Louisian refugees again, this 380 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: is an instance where they were undergoing extreme stress, right, um, 381 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: and presumably and emotionally, well I'm sure and physically we're 382 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: having to deal with that, and that could certainly have eroded. Um, 383 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: their health to a degree, although they were otherwise healthy. 384 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: You know, sod the gene. Yeah, I mean the gene 385 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: was the main factor there. But but but from what 386 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: we looked at, it is conceivable that one could have 387 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: a nightmare, and if one's physical condition was such to 388 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: facilitate this, you could be scared to death by a nightmare. 389 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: But then who would know? Right, I mean, well that's 390 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: the problem, right. It's kind of hard to do a 391 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: double blind study on that one. Yeah, it is um 392 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: until we really get that inception technology going, and then 393 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: we'll we'll figure it out. We're getting there. It's also 394 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: worth noting and I did a blog about this aspect 395 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: of it. This New York Times article came out in 396 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: eight one and about the CDC study and and made 397 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: the headlines. And then in the first Nightmare on Elm 398 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: Street movie came oh right, right right, You have a 399 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: great blog post about this. Yeah, this was a news 400 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: item that partially inspired West Craven to create Nightmare on 401 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: Elm Streets. So if you like those movies, this is 402 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,239 Speaker 1: where it came from. Interview. Don't like those movies? This 403 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: is something the story you can blame that. Yeah, yeah, 404 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: but again, nothing to fear of really, I mean, when 405 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: you think about it, low scare folks, um, when you 406 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: think about actual high risk situations in our lives, like 407 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: getting into our cars, that's that's nuts. Yeah, So be 408 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: careful there, Please one one more thing before we move 409 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: on to a listener. Mail I was looking through Carol Roses, giants, 410 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: monsters and dragons and Encyclopedia Folklore, legend and myths looking 411 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: for some sleep related demons. And I think all the 412 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: sleep most of the sleep demons are hiding in her 413 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: her other book about fairies that I don't have. Yeah, 414 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: I keep some some serious scientific books on hand here. 415 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: But you're not gonna bring the fairies book to work, 416 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: is what I'm hearing. Well, I'm gonna have to buy it. 417 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, like, yeah, I'll put it on 418 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: my bookshelf. But it did have an item about the Sandman, 419 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: which this is fascinating, says. This is the name of 420 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: the fearsome nursery bogey in the late eighteenth and early 421 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: nineteen centuries of England. The sandman was a vicious and 422 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: terrifying ogre who came during the night to throw handfuls 423 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: of course sand into the eyes of children who would 424 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: not go to sleep. And it gets worse. When the 425 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: eyes of the screen child were rubbed, they dropped out 426 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: all bloody on the floor. The sandman gathered these eyes 427 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: to take in his sack as food for his long 428 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: beaked progeny nesting in the crook of the crescent moon. 429 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: This was the image of the salmon nursery boogie in 430 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: the fairy tale written by E. T. A. Hoffman in 431 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: eighteen seventeen and then in subsequent years. We uh we we, 432 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: I think we There are also other folk tales where 433 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: there's you know, they're fairies that bring like sleep dust 434 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: and put in your eyes. And we've been along with 435 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: with those ideas. We ended up turning the salmon into 436 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: this more benign uh or even benevolent spirit that comes 437 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: in and sprinkles, and they of rubbing your eyes out 438 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: all bloody on the floor and feeding them to some 439 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: sort of bird like creatures that live on the moon. 440 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: It's uh terrifying. So you know, I've been looking for 441 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: a good story to read my daughter. Yeah, we went 442 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: through the whole doctor SEUs thing, So that's thank you. 443 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: Just set her down and have a talk with us. 444 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: I look, um, but Sam and the sand Man. This 445 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: is how it works, that's how it's gonna go down. 446 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: Well cool, let me get to the listener mail here. 447 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: So we recently covered electronic music, or at least week 448 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: we sort of did an introduction to electronic music because 449 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: as we as we mentioned, we can't possibly cover everything 450 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: about it. It is very vast. So yeah, we had 451 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: some some people wrote in with some interesting feedback on that. 452 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: A number of people actually UM. A listener by the 453 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: name of Ian wrote in and said, Dear Robert and Julie, 454 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: I love the podcast, especially the recent episode and electric music. UM, 455 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: but when Robert said he did not know what a 456 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: Nintendo step was, I thought I'd clarified. Uh, And this 457 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: is good for me because I'm I truly didn't there 458 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: what it was. Uh. Nintendo step is a subgenre of 459 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: dub step, but instead of using electronic electronics synthesizers on samplers, computers, 460 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: or keyboards, they use chip tunes, which is music from 461 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: older video game consoles I think original Mario to create 462 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: the warbling, robotic sounds of normal dub staff. That he 463 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: included a few samples which I listened to, which I 464 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: think they were from Ruscoe and they were they were 465 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: pretty interesting. Thanks for getting me through a few six 466 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: hour bus rides to ex country ski races. Sincerely again. Cool. Yeah, 467 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: there you go, a Nintendo stuff. I think we're all 468 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: richard for knowing what that is. It is. But you 469 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: know part of that trend where you see, uh, you 470 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: see a lot of artists going back to older electronics 471 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: sounds and bringing them back like I've I've really been 472 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: into this one chill wave. Um, I guess you've called 473 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: chill wave artists that goes by the name Calm Truise 474 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: like Tom Cruise with the letters and uh that alone 475 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: for that alone, and uh and he has his style 476 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: is like very much calling back to like, uh like 477 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,719 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, um, kind of like Miami Vice soundtrack kind 478 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: of stuff. Um, but in a good way. Uh. It 479 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,959 Speaker 1: sounds like listening to the music makes you feel like 480 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: you're in the best possible like convertible. Well now I'm 481 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: thinking about like like psychedelic Miami vibes and you know, 482 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: movie of some kind. But okay, yeah, all right, Clubs 483 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: and Crockett there you go. And we also heard from J. J. 484 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: Rodan said, I just listened to your electronic music podcast 485 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: and really enjoyed it. However, I was surprised you didn't 486 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: mention of vocaloid music. It's been around long enough to 487 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: not be a fad. Even though it is wildly popular 488 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: in Japan and East Asia, there have been some very 489 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: successful concerts in the US. The amazing part about this 490 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: is that vocal oid singers are completely virtual. They are 491 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: software programs, not people. So in order to have a concert, 492 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: the vocal oad characters have to take the stage as holograms. Um. 493 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: I hope this subject will blow your mind. It certainly 494 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: has blown mind. Sincerely, Jay Um. Yeah, that's uh. I 495 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: think Josh Clark did a blog post about this, uh 496 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: ball back um where yes, like the the the frontman 497 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: or front woman for the group the The the singer 498 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: is a hologram on stage and people were like going nuts. 499 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: But the the the the main character, that the main 500 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: persona of this band does not exist in physical reality. 501 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: M I think about this movie called Wild Palms by 502 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: Oliver Stone, and I feel like there was a such 503 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: a of that movie that has something very similar. You 504 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: could just beam in your own music, you know, you'd 505 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: have like I don't know, I think in this like 506 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: the Pointer Sisters. Well it makes you wonder like in 507 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: the future, it's like we we we depend more and 508 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: more on holographic pop stars, and then would we be 509 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: able to well, be able to preserve past pop stars 510 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: this way or recreate them? So like would you have 511 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: holographic Elvis concerts? Well, I mean I can definitely see 512 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: cable companies really continent to this, right because they would say, okay, 513 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: well we're gonna have Selean Dion or Justin Bieber you 514 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: know who remember at this point come on and uh 515 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: and we're gonna you know, for extra one hundred dollars, 516 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: you can get them beamed into your living room. Oh man, 517 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: imagine the benefit. What was the song that they did, 518 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: like the sort of fiebe children kind of things, where 519 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: they we are the world, we are the world. You 520 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: know what do you imagine that we are the world? 521 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: Concerts of the future, you could you could actually go 522 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: to this concert and they would have hallgrams of like 523 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: all these like past pop stars, and that would be 524 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, be like Beethoven and Elvis. We'll see. I 525 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: kind of loving this too for a cocktail party, right, 526 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know you got like you said Elvis 527 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: and Beth heaven hanging. I mean they're obviously not able 528 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: to interact, I would assume, but still, no, you make 529 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: them interact, yeah, make them eat all the notches. Yeah, 530 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: and then you you could tweak their musical setting. So like, 531 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: imagine this idea you have, like Elvis doing like dub 532 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: step in your house. Like, how horrifying is that? It's 533 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: pretty great? The future is shiny, it is so Hey, 534 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: if you have any thoughts about the future, about what 535 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: about the pasture? Why not we're gaining the present. Yeah, 536 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: we'll listen to that too, especially if they have any 537 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: thoughts about dreams and nightmares. I'm I'm very interested. How 538 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: many of you have ever died in a dream? Um, 539 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: and of course not died in real life the person? 540 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: How would you write us? Uh? Because we were talking 541 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: about this earlier. How you said that you've mentioned that 542 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: him dream You've had dreams where you have died or 543 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: about to die and obviously you're still alive. Well, yeah, 544 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm alucid dreamer. And it was more like a movie 545 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: watching myself. It wasn't There wasn't any sort of real 546 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: fear there. Okay, I'm for my part, I don't think 547 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: I've ever had a dream where I actually died. Uh. 548 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: So it's it's it's really fascinating to think about it. So, 549 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: but let us know, tell us what tell us all 550 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: about your dreams and uh and how they line up 551 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: with this podcast? Who else ask you to do that? 552 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: I know everybody loves talking about their dreams. Let us know, 553 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: and even if we don't respond, we will. We will 554 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: read them for sure. Indeed, so if you want to 555 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: check out what we're up to, drop our Facebook and 556 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: Twitter feeds. We are blow the Mind on both of those, 557 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: and you can also drop us an email at blow 558 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: the Mind at house to works dot com. 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