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Speaker 1: Welcome again our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Reaction pouring

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Speaker 1: in to the controversy of Harrison Bucker and his speech

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Speaker 1: at a Catholic college we have shared and I just

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Speaker 1: retweeted the clips themselves if you want to go watch them,

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Speaker 1: and again, I think it's an illustrative moment in how

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Speaker 1: we talk dishonestly about what true controversy is. And I

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Speaker 1: do think and I'm going to take some of your

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Speaker 1: calls here in a moment. A couple of things that

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Speaker 1: are going on the cross examination of Michael Cohen continuing

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Speaker 1: in the Trump trial in New York City. We talked

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Speaker 1: about yesterday the agreement that there would be a June

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Speaker 1: and September presidential debate. There also now is an agreed

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Speaker 1: upon date for the vice presidential debate. I'll ask the

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Speaker 1: team it's going to be in July, I believe, But

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Speaker 1: the exact date of that vice presidential debate we will

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Speaker 1: grab for you and share here on the show soon.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen the official date yet, if the team

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Speaker 1: will give me the official date. And the reason why

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Speaker 1: I bring that up is it could implicate certainly would

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Speaker 1: seem to implicate the day by which Donald Trump must

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Speaker 1: have to make a decision on who his vice president

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Speaker 1: is going to be, so that that vice president could

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Speaker 1: have the opportunity. One of those vice presidential contender is

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Speaker 1: going to be talking with us in roughly an hour

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Speaker 1: when Tulca Gabbard will join this program. So that is

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Speaker 1: where we are headed. One thing that I don't think

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Speaker 1: gets talked about enough though in this controversy surrounding Harrison

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Speaker 1: Butker's analysis of both men women gender roles and what

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Speaker 1: it means to be Catholic in modern society is there

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Speaker 1: is still a major age gap because of biology in

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Speaker 1: when men and women have to make decisions. And I

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Speaker 1: definitely don't think this gets talked about enough, and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be candid with you. I don't think a

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Speaker 1: lot of young men think about it very often. Now.

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Speaker 1: I became a dad at twenty eight years old. There

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Speaker 1: are all different sorts of ages at which men become dads.

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Speaker 1: So I've got a sixteen year old son now, one

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Speaker 1: that will be off in college soon. And for someone

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Speaker 1: who went to law school and didn't finish his education

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Speaker 1: until twenty five years old, twenty eight is a relatively

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Speaker 1: young dad, if, for instance, you are a lawyer or

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Speaker 1: to get an advanced degree. I never really thought much

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Speaker 1: about at what age I needed to become a father,

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Speaker 1: because in my mind, I could become a dad in

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Speaker 1: my thirties and my forties and my fifties without really

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Speaker 1: having to think very much, because men can have children

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Speaker 1: for their whole lives, and I think there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of men who contemplate that and in the back

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Speaker 1: of their mind. It's why there isn't sort of this

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Speaker 1: age crunch. If you're thirty three and you are a

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Speaker 1: guy and you're out there dating, you don't have a

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Speaker 1: biological clock really ticking in your head the same way

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Speaker 1: a thirty three year old woman would. Well, when you

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Speaker 1: are telling women, go get your education, go get your

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Speaker 1: graduate degree, begin to climb the corporate ladder, a thirty

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Speaker 1: two year old woman and her perspective on career is

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Speaker 1: very different than a thirty two year old man's perspective

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Speaker 1: on career. And I don't even hear anybody hardly ever

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Speaker 1: really has a major in her mind. Time crunch a foot,

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Speaker 1: so if you're working all the time. I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: For instance, in my law school class, there were more

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Speaker 1: women than there were men. That was a new thing.

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Speaker 1: But women are getting sixty percent of college degrees. Now,

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Speaker 1: women are overwhelmingly going to grad school. You're not coming

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Speaker 1: because they're sitting there at thirty four, thirty five years old,

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Speaker 1: I think this is the downside of sort of this

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Speaker 1: genderless society that we're creating. Maybe I'm old school. I

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Speaker 1: said in the first hour, it made me physically ill

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Speaker 1: that I didn't make enough money that my family could

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Speaker 1: I'm a caveman. To me, a man should pursue success

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Speaker 1: such that he can take care of his entire family.

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Speaker 1: That to me is the primary goal of a man.

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Speaker 1: Take care of your children, take care of your family,

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Speaker 1: And historically that was the primary province of masculinity. Be

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Speaker 1: as successful as you can to take care of your

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Speaker 1: entire family. Now, there can be challenges with that. For men,

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Speaker 1: a lot of you out there listening have probably struggled

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Speaker 1: with work life balance. I work all the time and

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Speaker 1: have for about fifteen years, eighty hour or more weeks.

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Speaker 1: My dad worked forty hour weeks. I think he's a

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Speaker 1: better dad than I have been. I've had more financial success,

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Speaker 1: but he focused more on parenting. He also became a dad,

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Speaker 1: trying to build a career. Now I've had success, and

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Speaker 1: some of you notice, I try to take vacations with

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Speaker 1: I get an email from people saying, why are you

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Speaker 1: taking off? Why are you not there? Because this job,

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Speaker 1: while I love it, it doesn't define me. It's what

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Speaker 1: I do, it's not what I am. And I've come

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Speaker 1: to that now that I'm in my forties. Hey, we

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Speaker 1: I work all the time, probably too much, if you're

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Speaker 1: being honest, if you were going to criticize me, because

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Speaker 1: that feeling of having my kids in daycare and feeling

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Speaker 1: the way, my wife's brilliant, probably smarter than me in

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Speaker 1: terms of testing, for sure. Vanderbilt Law grad Vanderbilt graduate

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Speaker 1: Ohio State fans. I'm not saying that women can't work

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Speaker 1: woman can't be the primary bread winner in a household.

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Speaker 1: That's certainly possible in many different societies. I'm saying the

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Speaker 1: many families. And so the idea that a man saying, hey, men,

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Speaker 1: need to think about what does success look like in

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Speaker 1: acknowledging that you're trying to balance many different things in

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Speaker 1: a way, frankly because of biology, that men don't have

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Speaker 1: You notice this. A lot of young men are total knuckleheads.

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Speaker 1: for most of our lives. Watch this next thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: Women never say watch this and then do something stupid.

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Speaker 1: crime too. You ever notice how Grandpa's they never rob banks.

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Speaker 1: and even now a lot of men don't mature. You

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Speaker 1: the Jonathan Hate Book, women are having high levels of

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Speaker 1: suicidal ideation thirty percent of teenage women because of they

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Speaker 1: think social media. The Internet impacts genders differently. Boys buy

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Speaker 1: They don't actually have ambition, They don't pursue anything, and

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Speaker 1: Because of the access of porn. A lot of men

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Speaker 1: don't even interact with women anymore. So Harrison Buker saying, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we should have these big national discussions and debates. Maybe

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Speaker 1: the marketplace of ideas should actually work. Maybe the national

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your introspection as a man and as a dad.

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Speaker 2: You spoke to this issue much more eloquently than Bucker did.

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Speaker 1: But I look back, congratulations.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. What I look back is and I see that

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Speaker 4: it was. It just doesn't fit what he's talking in

435
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Speaker 4: today's time. Yeah, I'm a I'm a Catholic, but you

436
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Speaker 4: can't predict your future. And I just feel that the

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Speaker 4: encouragement for young women, especially as me to movement now

438
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Speaker 4: should have been more not so much focused on a

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Speaker 4: marriage and children is making yourself better and being able

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Speaker 4: to provide for yourself down the road.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's it's really well said. You've got five sons,

443
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Speaker 1: do you like their girlfriends?

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Speaker 4: Only one has when now I treat him as my own.

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Speaker 4: I like Ludker and what he was saying because I

446
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Speaker 4: have that old fashioned philosophy in me and he was

447
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Speaker 4: my fantasy.

448
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Speaker 3: Football kicker, so I really like him as a player.

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Speaker 4: But I just feel like what causes the controversy and

450
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Speaker 4: all this is how people interpret in what today's society

451
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Speaker 4: is doing, is that we want to make our women

452
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Speaker 4: independent and that's it's not all fluffy like that.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for the call, and I think you

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Speaker 1: really good point that there are a lot of women

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Speaker 1: out there that if they're going to have families, they

456
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Speaker 1: want to be able to handle the kids themselves if

457
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Speaker 1: the men in their lives flake out. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of distrust for women of men because there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of frankly men that you don't really want

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Speaker 1: to create a family with. I think that's a huge

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Speaker 1: part of this issue. That one reason women feel so

462
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Speaker 1: compelled to drive themselves to success is they don't want

463
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Speaker 1: to be reliant on frankly, some of the loser men

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Speaker 1: out there. So if you have a baby and you

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Speaker 1: feel like the man in your life is not very reliable,

466
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Speaker 1: your safety net is not your husband, it's your college

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Speaker 1: degree or your advanced degree. In other words, women, because

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Speaker 1: so many men are failing, feel compelled to cover all

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Speaker 1: the facet of life. And Buker kind of addressed that too,

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Speaker 1: because I do think a huge part of women's disdain

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Speaker 1: for many young men is a lot of them don't

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Speaker 1: think they're worthy of being parents with them. You know

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Speaker 1: a lot of these women with the frozen eggs, some

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Speaker 1: of you may be having daughters, granddaughters who are doing this.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them are extremely successful. They can't find

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Speaker 1: a man that they want to have a baby with.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons why the number of kids

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Speaker 1: is going down. Women are looking around like a good

479
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Speaker 1: man really is hard to find, maybe harder to find

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Speaker 1: than ever. Now you can have an argument out there

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Speaker 1: that there's also a lot of women that don't want

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Speaker 1: to invest in men. That's what I would hear from men.

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Speaker 1: What's the Kanye line, the gold digger line. One day's

484
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Speaker 1: mopping the floors next day. It's the fries that women

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Speaker 1: don't want to invest in men. That's what I hear

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Speaker 1: from men, like all she cares about is what I

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Speaker 1: got or how much I make now. They don't want

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Speaker 1: to actually invest in the men. That I think is

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Speaker 1: kind of interesting too, but I think it speaks to

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Speaker 1: this sort of gender talking past each other, which is

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Speaker 1: becoming a big issue because, by the way, nobody's having babies.

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Speaker 1: Chris and Stockton, Missouri, what you got for us?

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Speaker 3: Hey, Hello, how are you Clay? Thank you for your

494
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Speaker 3: openness and truth you getting to the table. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I grew up working hard, going to work every day,

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Speaker 3: and so when I got married and had kids, I

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Speaker 3: told my wife at the time, if you want to work, work,

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Speaker 3: if not, stay home with the kids. There was two boys,

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Speaker 3: so she did. She stayed home. We made it. I

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Speaker 3: drove a truck at the time, and then I got

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Speaker 3: into run in the city with also law enforcement, emergency management,

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Speaker 3: fire and rescue, and EMS and we were able to

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Speaker 3: live comfortably and she was able to stay home with

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Speaker 3: the kids. There was times I couldn't make it to

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Speaker 3: sporting events, which sucked. Yeah, but we made it work

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Speaker 3: and we were comfortable doing it. Everything worked out. And

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Speaker 3: I feel like, if you have that availability and the

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Speaker 3: opportunity to do that and it works for you, by

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Speaker 3: all means, do it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. I think huge percentages of

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Speaker 1: women would like to be able to stay home with kids.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of them don't feel, either financially

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Speaker 1: or emotionally that they have a man that they can

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Speaker 1: trust to be able to provide for the whole family.

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Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's a big issue here too.

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Speaker 1: Chuck in Kentucky fire away.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, you're dead on You're dead on everything it's

519
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 5: going on Nowaday, look at your government. They're trying to

520
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Speaker 5: destroy women. They're trying to destroy the family, and they're

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Speaker 5: doing a good job of it. You've got to admit that.

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Speaker 1: And there's no doubt they can't say it.

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Speaker 5: I'm like you, I watched seven yards week till my

524
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Speaker 5: wife could stay home and raise my kids. But these

525
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Speaker 5: men coming up now, they don't have the backbone to

526
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Speaker 5: hang in there and do that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the call, you know what. I love

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Speaker 1: the accent. By the way, My family's from Muelenberg County, Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of that over the years. I

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Speaker 1: was out to dinner on Sunday with It was Mother's Day,

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Speaker 1: so we had my wife, two other moms, and two

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Speaker 1: of my law school classmates. My wife is also a

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Speaker 1: law school classmate. But both of them work their asses

534
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Speaker 1: off work all the time practicing attorneys. They run their

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Speaker 1: own firms basically, And they were saying the number of

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Speaker 1: twenty five year old guys now that graduate from law

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Speaker 1: school and don't really care about making very much money,

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Speaker 1: like they're just kind of staggered by it. They have

539
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Speaker 1: very limited motivation, and to what he's saying, their benefit. Look,

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Speaker 1: I get it, there's probably a lot of you out

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Speaker 1: there that were married to workaholics. My argument would be

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Speaker 1: workaholism comes from a good place because it's about a

543
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Speaker 1: desperate drive to try to make sure that you're providing

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Speaker 1: for your family. Now, what level does that need to reach.

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Speaker 1: I mean, again, that's all a balancing act. But I

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Speaker 1: come back to Thomas Sowell's stat to build on what

547
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Speaker 1: that caller was just kind of pointing out about the

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Speaker 1: government's attack on traditional families. This is a stat that

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Speaker 1: I think is really hard to explain away, and I'll

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Speaker 1: ask the team to make sure that I get it right.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not for those of you out there that

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Speaker 1: are going to grab this and clip it. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure the percentages are exactly right, but I believe in

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty only twenty five percent roughly of black children

555
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: were born outside of the family. So this is roughly

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Speaker 1: one hundred years after the Emancipation Proclamation eighteen sixty three.

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Speaker 1: One hundred years later, seventy five percent of kids are

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Speaker 1: born into a black family with a mom and dad

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Speaker 1: at home. Now, I don't think anybody out there listening

560
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: right now would say, hey, you know what, America was

561
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: super fair to black people in the eighteen eighties. America

562
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: was insanely welcoming to black families everywhere in the nineteen thirties,

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Speaker 1: the forties, the twenties. That's despite a lot of the

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Speaker 1: legacy of racism and discrimination and the awful stain that

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Speaker 1: it left in the country. Over that one hundred year period,

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Speaker 1: the black family emerged strong enough that seventy five percent

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Speaker 1: of babies were born in two parent households. Do you

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Speaker 1: know what it was in twenty twenty twenty percent? How

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Speaker 1: does that happen. I don't think anybody out there would

570
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Speaker 1: look at it and say, hey, you know what happened

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Speaker 1: between nineteen sixty and twenty twenty, Black people were treated

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Speaker 1: a lot worse than they were in eighteen eighty and

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Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy and in nineteen twenty. Whatever you think

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Speaker 1: about race relations, if you were born in nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: and you are sixty years old, your life experience was

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Speaker 1: a lot different than somebody who was born a slave

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Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty and would have been sixty years old

578
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Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty. Yet, the black family in the one

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Speaker 1: hundred years after slavery ended was in a stronger position

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Speaker 1: in terms of two parent households in nineteen sixty by

581
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Speaker 1: far than it is today. How did that happen? I

582
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: would say it's Linda Johnson's Great Society which kicked the

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Speaker 1: legs out from underneath the black family. How is it

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00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: that the black family has collapsed when the government has

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00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: poured money into black families. That's not an easy question

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Speaker 1: for left wingers to answer. Again, regardless of your own

587
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: personal circumstances, it's far better to have children born into

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Speaker 1: two parent households than one parent households, and I always

589
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Speaker 1: get emails whenever I say this, somebody says i'm a

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Speaker 1: single parent. I'm doing I'm not attacking. Sharing facts in

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Speaker 1: a general sense that are different than your individual experience

592
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: is not a personal attack. There are many incredible single parents.

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Speaker 1: Some single parents do better jobs than double parents. There

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Speaker 1: are a lot of awful double parents. But in general,

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Speaker 1: how did the black family collapse when the government is

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Speaker 1: spending trillions of dollars on them? They took away the

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Speaker 1: power I think of the black mom and dad, and

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00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: they gave it to the government instead. Just think about

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Speaker 1: that data. It doesn't make any sense. It's not the

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Speaker 1: legacy of racism, that's what they try to say. But

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Speaker 1: the legacy of racism was far more present in nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty than it is today. Why did that happen? And

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00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: maybe it's not intentional, but it's certainly the reality, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's worth contemplating. That's why I'm always a

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Speaker 1: little bit skeptical when the government says, hey, I'll solve

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Speaker 1: this problem, I'm like, ah, I think I think maybe

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00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: individuals are better at solving problems than the government. I

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Speaker 1: think personally, we could fire seventy five percent of government

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Speaker 1: employees in the country probably be better off. I bet a

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Speaker 1: lot of you agree. But in the case of the

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Speaker 1: Black family, that's a complete failure despite pouring our taxpayer

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Speaker 1: I've been sitting around for a long time, like the

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Speaker 1: one thing I need to make sure that I don't

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Speaker 1: miss this summer that bisexual lions show. By the way,

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Speaker 1: we've already known about gay lions. I think Mufossa was gay.

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Speaker 1: You know, the guy who shoved off the dad there

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Speaker 1: in the Lion King. I have a lot of faith

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Speaker 1: Mufossa was actually not straight