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Speaker 2: I have the one, the only, the legend, Bruce right

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Speaker 2: with me today. Welcome to the show. Bruce and I'm

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Speaker 2: hi everybody.

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Speaker 3: Hi, everybody, thank you for having me in your home.

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Speaker 2: Perfect. Here we go. So, according to US Medicine, the

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Speaker 2: US veteran population, predominantly older males, are at high risk

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Speaker 2: for chronic lymphocitic leukemia, especially if they had exposure to

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Speaker 2: agent orange or other herbicides during military service. Bruce Wright,

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Speaker 2: Vietnam War veteran and chair of the cl Society Patient

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Speaker 2: Advisory Board, was diagnosed with CLL in two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 2: strongly encouraged by a friend to join a CLLL support group,

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Speaker 2: which led him to become a part of CLL Society,

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Speaker 2: a leading authority for chronic lymphocytic leukemia patients, families, caregivers,

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Speaker 2: and medical professionals. Today, Bruce is a chair of the

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Speaker 2: organization's Patient Advisory Board, offering support to veterans facing a

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Speaker 2: to be speaking with Bruce and all things that relate

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Speaker 2: readily available as they are today. What a journey you're

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Speaker 2: living through, Bruce, and welcome to the show again.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. It's a pleasure to be with you. I

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Speaker 2: Sure, it's also fair to say that you're seventy nine years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right, right right, And so when you when

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Speaker 3: Joined the military? I was eighteen years old. I graduated

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Speaker 2: I literally make my bed, not just for me to

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Speaker 2: And also my dad was succepted to our got agent Orange.

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Speaker 3: Well it's a clue nobody wants to be in no,

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Speaker 2: there about Agent Orange and our veterans who are still

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Speaker 3: By the way, when I tell anyone I cross with

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Speaker 2: It right, that's all I got, go down the rabbit hole.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And doctor Google said, I was. I had five

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Speaker 2: Look at that, you know, so you're rated, right, you

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Speaker 2: have to fight? My dad had to get from like

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Speaker 2: backtrack real quick. Agent orange is a chemical that was

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Speaker 3: There was so much ignorance at that particular time. The

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Speaker 2: like Abraham was going to do that. I think somewhere

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Speaker 3: Today's conflicts you're seeing every day on TV two different

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm telling you that it's like Holy Cow,

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Speaker 2: take mine. You know it's it. It's like, yeah, holy cow, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Talk about your dad's skin cancer. I've had twenty one

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Speaker 3: from flying the driving ships. He retired as a three

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00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 3: star admiral. He had his act together and he was

431
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 3: very people oriented. He was he was the model for

432
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 3: you to follow.

433
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 2: And model for you to follow. What a good thing

434
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 2: to say. And I don't mean to say the A

435
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: three is the intruder, it's the A six. I just

436
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: get excited when I hear Navy A three and I

437
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 2: just thought of the intruder. But yes, you're right, Pappy Boyington,

438
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: I totally understand no flight of the intruder of the book. Yes,

439
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 2: I'm a.

440
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 3: Good friends with the author. He was in the same

441
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 3: air wing that I.

442
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 2: Was on and I love that movie, the one of the.

443
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 3: Many books he's written. He's still around today. And what

444
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 3: we would do before we go on an alpha strike

445
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 3: over the North, we'd always have these big gaggles of briefs.

446
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 3: He'd be there. And the guys that flew in the

447
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: A six they had big wheelbarrows because they had no protection.

448
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 3: They flew single ship low at night, you know, using

449
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 3: their system to stay alive, and they had no way

450
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 3: to fight back, and we had a six guys. The

451
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 3: guys hit, you know, just getting ready to go in

452
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 3: and with a missile and they had playing with upside

453
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: down and they had to punch the button to get

454
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 3: rid of all the ordinance because there were heavy ordnance.

455
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 3: They are heavy bombing in my time. Numbers of bombs

456
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: on board.

457
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah. And if it's anything like the movie,

458
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 2: which I'm pretty sure the movie with Willem Dafoe, you know,

459
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: Flight of the Intruder Man, when we go offline, we

460
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: should link up and see if we can get him

461
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: to come on the show and even have you back

462
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: and you have a threesome.

463
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: Time you can, like I said, you can email me,

464
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 3: call me and text me anytime.

465
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 2: That would be so awesome. No. I was talking to

466
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: an F eighteen pilot in New York a few years

467
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: ago and we were just doing quotes the whole time.

468
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: Was like let's go downtown. He's like, I love that

469
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: movie and I was like, oh dude, you know, stop

470
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 2: by the way.

471
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: And just another insight you can talk about another time,

472
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 3: you know. Top Gun one and Top Gun two. Okay,

473
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: I'm a Top Gun graduated as well. Oh that's awesome,

474
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 3: And I can give you a lot of insights to

475
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 3: Top Gun one because it was being filmed while I

476
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: was out there flying at Mayor Martin.

477
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: Will tell me something, tell us, give us something, give

478
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: me tell me something.

479
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: No, you can't ride your motorcycle down the runway going

480
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: like yay. Like that two when Kelly McGillis turns him

481
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 3: down in the bar because she has a date with

482
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 3: a guy named Perry, and so he gets rebuffed by her.

483
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 3: The camera goes over because Perry's back was by the camera,

484
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 3: and the camera goes over and Perry's sitting there and

485
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 3: she's at the table and he's handing her a menu

486
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 3: to look at and he's got silver hair. That's my

487
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: commanding officer. Oh, Pete Peterdrew. He was a technical advisor

488
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: on the film. I can tell you the volleyball game

489
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: was filmed for two and a half hours. But the

490
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 3: director was on a roll and the producer was giving

491
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 3: him grief because it was money chang ki chink chink

492
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 3: for all the hours of all the support and things,

493
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: and it was filmed for five hours, and that beefcake

494
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 3: was one of the major sellers for people to be

495
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 3: recruited to go fly in the Navy.

496
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred percent. That top gun. I mean. I

497
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 2: remember my cousin, my older cousin, I was younger, and

498
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: he had it on his wall and he had like

499
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 2: a fourteen Tomcat with all of its ordinance expounded out

500
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 2: on the on the poster, and he just had a

501
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 2: heart murmur so he could never be you know, and

502
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 2: he just always had that on his wall. And I

503
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: was just like, oh, big cousin, you're so cool that

504
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: you're right. It did. It inspired generations still today of

505
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: folks who want to take up you know, the wings.

506
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 2: And I tell people when I talked to him, you

507
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: want to fly, They're like yeah. I was like what

508
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: They're like, they're like a fixed wing and it's like

509
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: or anything, huh, just anything, just fly something, huh. They're like, yeah, anything,

510
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 2: just fly hell whatever? Hey cool.

511
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 3: In the Air Force, for example, you're a pilot and

512
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 3: it depends where the next orders send you the needs

513
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 3: of the Air Force. And I remember in Vietnam with

514
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 3: some of the forward air controllers, flew with them, threw

515
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 3: them over bad guy territory, and that's another story too.

516
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: But they were going back. Some of them. They had

517
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 3: been like f one o five drivers, f one o

518
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 3: one drivers, and their orders post Vietnam were to be

519
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 3: fifty two's buff They said, gotta go fly buffs. Now

520
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: in the Navy, you're in a pipeline. I was put

521
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 3: in the pipeline, flew f fours. I could change, naybe

522
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 3: would let you change, but you had to do the

523
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: dance and then they would do it. And I, for example,

524
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: flew with the guy who was a helicopter pilot, and

525
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: that was interesting because he wasn't used to fast airplanes

526
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 3: and so he was behind the airplane. You know, I

527
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 3: had to be kind of awake because I didn't want

528
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 3: him to take me down.

529
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like that, You're like were coming in for Atlanta.

530
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, about thirty feet off the deck of that.

531
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 2: I'm awake.

532
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: You get this thing slow enough? Why doesn't it go down?

533
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: I can't park? How come I can't pull over? Yeah,

534
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: because you're strapped to a rocket. Broh God, And you

535
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 2: just got to turn and up and down and just

536
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: keep And that's a whole nother body exercise that's just

537
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: sucking you up those g's and you know, trying just

538
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: to turn and yank and bank and shoot the watch. Right,

539
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: it's a big watch.

540
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: You're always shooting the watch and it's a big watch, right.

541
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, sorry here I learned that from F sixteen

542
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: pilot when I was flying simulators and we were we

543
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: turned the Great Salt Lake in Utah here on the

544
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: simulator into a pirate cove. And so as we're flying

545
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: the F sixteens from Hill Air Force Base over to

546
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: the Great Salt Lake, we're blowing up pirate ships that

547
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: were down below. It was quite interesting how they train,

548
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: you know.

549
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: We we get creative regardless of what service you're in.

550
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: We get created sure, and it's it's helped to pass

551
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: the time. We have gallows humor. We have to do

552
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: that to keep our sense and sense of ability about us.

553
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: And we lament when we lose a fellow flyer. You know.

554
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 3: The hardest part is we lost some on the Enterprise

555
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: and then you have to go in and you have

556
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: to clean out the room. You got to pack things

557
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 3: up and send them back. Stuff like that. And it's

558
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: not the only ship that had that. And I was

559
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: fortunate enough to make two additional cruises or two three

560
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: deployments total, first on a destroyer, then two more on

561
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: the carrier USS Enterprise sweet Air Wing fourteen, and they've

562
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: got two hundred and twenty combat missions. YadA, YadA, YadA.

563
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: I've been good fortune to go to the top gun.

564
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: And would you retire as what was your what'd you

565
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: retire as?

566
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: A commander? Five?

567
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: Commander five? Yeah? Right, it's like two general, right, it's

568
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: like lieutenant colonel yeah. Okay, yeah, you're right, it's just

569
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: right five or six? Seven? Yeah, I got you. That's

570
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: that's respect right there. Commander.

571
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 3: Thank you, you're very kind. It's it's y all one

572
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: fraternity and it's it's men and women. And one of

573
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: the things I did when it took me three years

574
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: to get my disability properly settled with a VBA. You

575
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 3: have VHA, which is the healthcare people, which are great people.

576
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: You have the VBA. They are the ones that determine

577
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: your disability rating. They also oversee the health and welfare

578
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: and care of the cemeteries. It took me three years,

579
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 3: and I made a vow and paying it forward that

580
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: I wouldn't let that happen to another VET, just my

581
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: life's course. So when I joined the CL Society, they

582
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: I said, I'm a veteran, and any veterans got questions

583
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: of sending to me. Well, not just CL Society, which

584
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: I got a lot from, right, even members of my group,

585
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: the Patient Advisory Board, the guys VET. And he says, geez,

586
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: I'm saying about trying to increase this promise, said, let's

587
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 3: talk about it, let's get it in. And he got

588
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 3: his disability increase as a problem increased, right, and he

589
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: rated an increase and it came through, and he's happy

590
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: as a plan at high tide.

591
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're one hundred percent disabled veteran, there's

592
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: benefits not only for you though, but for also for

593
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: your children if they're still living at home with you

594
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: to go to school.

595
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: Yes, the thing is actuarily will pass. First, it benefits your.

596
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 2: Wife, yes, exactly, it does one hundred percent. And you

597
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: know what again, though, if there is a child in

598
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: the home who has disabilities as well, yes, and that

599
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: child can be given try care for life, yes, sir, okay,

600
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: it can be ordered by a court to be given

601
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: to that child, so that child could have a fiduciary

602
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: that child or can have somebody oversee it. So let's

603
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: say your a mother and a father, and you know

604
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: you've dealt with a lot of this stuff and you

605
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: got your one hundred percent rated, you can fight to

606
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: the VA to get a fiduciary to make sure that

607
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: when you pass on that your children get your benefits.

608
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: Yes, I have a classmate who has that problem and

609
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: is a firstborn flies for Army, Army, Air National Guard,

610
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: and he was a swift cooke guy during Vietnam. My

611
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: classmate and another guy who was in a different airway

612
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 3: on a different carrier to Kidiowk, and he would take

613
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: the admiral down. The three star Avrol three star VL

614
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: ran the war from the water and the three star

615
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 3: admiral a three star general from the Air Force ran

616
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: the air war. And they meet Saigon applying the consent

617
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. And he came down with several problems.

618
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: We were working with and unfortunately for him, as pancreas

619
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: gave up completely and I was helping it him and

620
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: his wife getting the steps of the disabilities that he

621
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: had earned. And he passed And once you passed, they

622
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: won't process him anymore. But he had gotten forty percent

623
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: about over one hundred percent disability, and his wife to

624
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 3: this day gets diic dependence and demity compensation because his

625
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: death was relayed to agent orange exposure. And it's approximately

626
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: a half of the disability that he would have gotten.

627
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: But its cost of living, and it's FA's free.

628
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. And so you know it's a benefit

629
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: that's there. And if you're listening right now, you should

630
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: reach out to to you know, Bruce here, and just

631
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 2: for myself, you know, we can tell you what's up.

632
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: It's easy. I'm always available as well. I get reached

633
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: out to often, Bruce. Like three in the morning, someone

634
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: hits me up, like you awake, bro, And I'm like,

635
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: who are you? How you doing? He's like, I'm just

636
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: not thinking right.

637
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: Well, you know there's a certain good feeling after, you know,

638
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: And I do it all for free. No, there's no compensation,

639
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: And I tell them when you've gotten it, just let

640
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: me know. And the cost is your discretionary time to

641
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: call me so we can celebrate together and do the

642
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 3: happy dance.

643
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, you know, that's right.

644
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 3: That's all. And some of them I have ten support

645
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: groups with society. They have me doing the chair of

646
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: the PAB. They have me. I oversee leaders of support

647
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: groups throughout the United States and i have ten of

648
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 3: them i have oversight with. And I'm also the laison

649
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 3: for the military people. So when the things come in,

650
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: I'm kind of a jack of many trades. To use

651
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: me as you need me. And I've had the vets

652
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: at certain places say when they finally have helped them

653
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 3: through and they get their rating, they say, I'll take

654
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: care of our group. Let me relieve you. I've got

655
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: the watch, give me the baton. You don't need to

656
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 3: worry any veterans to come to this group. I'll coach

657
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 3: them like you coach me. It's a brotherhood, sisterhood. And

658
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 3: I've helped me else too. You know, it doesn't have

659
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: to be Asian Orange, it could be something else. I mean,

660
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 3: I've had the good fortune of meeting a gentleman who's

661
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: an Air Force veteran who's a Holocaust survivor. Think about that. Yeah,

662
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: he was French four years old, his sister was fourteen.

663
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: The Nazis exterminated the oldest brother and his parents. He

664
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: came over here as an orphan wanted to pay back.

665
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: Enlisted in the Navy, got an appointment the Naval Academy,

666
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: went to the Air Force as intel and I spent

667
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: some time in some interesting intel places on exchange. I've

668
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 3: been to the Kampanam, I've been to Uban, I've been

669
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: to Udorn and over in Thailand, and I've seen results

670
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: of his work. And the guy is still with us today,

671
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: just turned eighty six, and he has col He's had

672
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 3: it for years and he's still with us. And he's

673
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: part of the cl Society groups out of San Francisco,

674
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 3: but likes to zoom with our group down here in Ork.

675
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: County, oh Man. Any holocausts four years old. Yeah, French

676
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: parents taken out of this earth for no real reason.

677
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: It's profound. I've been profoundly affected ever since. I always

678
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 3: bring it up because it's it's that we want to

679
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: talk a survivor. Look at that guy.

680
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: Well, my condolence is to your friends, for your friend's family.

681
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 2: I just want to put that out here there for sure,

682
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: you know, And I should probably tell you welcome home

683
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: as well from nom you know, and just just to

684
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: let you know that, you know, on behalf of a

685
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 2: grateful nation. Welcome home.

686
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: You know, thank you. People will often say to me,

687
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: thank you for your service, and I'll say it was

688
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: my honor.

689
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: You were worth it right there. You go who you're

690
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: battling for? Man, you know, Yeah, exactly, cross paths with

691
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: these people in live. They don't even realize that. You know,

692
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: you dealt with a four day typhoon.

693
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 3: You want to book to read. There's a book called

694
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: Halsey's Typhoon. Go read that destroyers sank during that. It

695
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 3: was well MacArthur was going back into the Philippines and

696
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 3: Admiral Bull Halsey was in charge of all the carriers,

697
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: and then typhoon came upon the Philippines. Yeah, I think

698
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: three destroyers sank.

699
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: Oh, those are huge. The ocean just wants what it wants,

700
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: though Davy Jones's locker, I.

701
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 3: You never conquered the ocean.

702
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: You respect it, That's right. I was just watching something

703
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: on a on a social media other day and it

704
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 2: was like, where else can you jump off of a

705
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 2: submarine into the world's deepest ocean trench? This shows the

706
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 2: submargers just jumping off having a water day over the

707
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: Marianas Trench, you know, and it's got their little booies

708
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: don't go that far. But what about that far.

709
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 3: Well, as you probably didn't see it in there, but

710
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: around the brook are here guys with rifles for the

711
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: shark watch.

712
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sharks. Yeah, bro, that's deep.

713
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 3: The ship, you know, the ship will stop and they'll

714
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: just kind of hover and they'll have a swim day,

715
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 3: swim call, and then they have a steel barbecue or

716
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 3: steel deck barbecue just out on the fantail though, take

717
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: a day off from work at sea, cook hot dogs,

718
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: hamburgers and French fries and all that stuff, and just

719
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 3: have a thing. You can't drink beer, drink a lot

720
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: of soda. It's all paid for.

721
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 4: And then but what's what's pollywog all about? What is that?

722
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: I've been one. You're a pollywog until you have crossed

723
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 4: the equator polywogg, and you have to go through an

724
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 4: initiation of becoming a shellback. But through that is a

725
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 4: whole day of harassment.

726
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: Right around the equator time, like we were off coming

727
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: off the Yankee station, we went down to Singapore. Singapore's

728
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 3: two degrees north of the equator, so the ship dips down,

729
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: so it's officially at the aquator. And we have a

730
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 3: big celebration on that on the deck and they take

731
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 3: everybody from from E one to ten. Doesn't make any difference.

732
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: Everybody go out there and you're crawling your hands and knees,

733
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 3: and you get the kick Neptune and Queen so and

734
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: so and then the baby. And on the carrier there

735
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 3: they use a lot of grease, like for the resting

736
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 3: deer cables and stuff, so things slide and the cables

737
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: don't wear and break. And this guy back in those days,

738
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: we didn't have a weight restriction and you have to

739
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 3: maintain a certain body mask. And so the Buddha's baby

740
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: or uh baby was like a Buddha he had and

741
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: it was all gung grease and grease out of the

742
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 3: cables and stuff. And you had to kiss the baby's

743
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 3: belly and when he take the head like this, they

744
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: go like this.

745
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: Just a big old belly.

746
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: Yea. At that time, I had a beard. We could

747
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: have beards in the Navy in that day. And I

748
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: had a beard, and it took me a week to

749
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 3: get all that stuff out. I wasn't going to cut it.

750
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 3: I was not going to cut that beard.

751
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 2: No, it's going to wash that right, out of your hair?

752
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: Why why did they get rid of the beards in?

753
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: It's kind of a nice thing, don't you think it is?

754
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 3: It goes. It's an ebb and flow. Zoom all aderal

755
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: Zoomah was the one who came out with it. And

756
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: you know, the intermediate level command structure wasn't happy with it.

757
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 3: But he was a top level and he said, this

758
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: is it. And I took advantage of that. You wear

759
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: an oxygen mask and you don't get a good seal.

760
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 3: You showed in the Navy you're on one hundred percent

761
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 3: oxygen from the minute you climbing the airplane to the

762
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: minute you land. Yeah, air force uses diluted demand and

763
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 3: the problem is if your oxygen quits on the airplane,

764
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: you don't know it because you're still breathing. But you're

765
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: breathing air doesn't have enough oxygen in it.

766
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: Those British, though, today, they still got some beefy stashes

767
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: on them. Oh yeah, oh yeah, you know what I'm saying.

768
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: They've got some like chops and they're not too worried

769
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: about their air seal. I think.

770
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: I wasn't worried. I think you're more invincible the younger

771
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 3: you are, But so the polywog is a a bat

772
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 3: who has not crossed the equator, okay, And so he

773
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: goes through the initiation. And then we did it on

774
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: the next deployment, second deployment on the carrier, and now

775
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: it was a shellback, so I was overseeing what was

776
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: being done and there, so, yeah, it's all the way along.

777
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: So were you like King Neptune? Then at one point, no, no.

778
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: We there was always someone in the crew that could

779
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: fit the billet much better than weekly I see. But

780
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 3: for us were standing on the side watching it.

781
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 2: But they it's amazing, just giving a good all looking

782
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: good boys looking good, looking good, because.

783
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: It's just like you bring up the coffee cup. To

784
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 3: recent article on military dot com is a good place

785
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 3: to find information for all military types.

786
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: It's free.

787
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: And uh, they were talking about how come you don't

788
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: ever wash a Navy cup. You don't do it, especially

789
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: with the Navy chief. Don't wash my cup. I like

790
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 3: the flavor that comes out of it. It may be

791
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: very gnarly, and it was a white cup at one time,

792
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: and now it's staying black because I never wash it.

793
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: But don't do that. And I ran into an Air

794
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 3: Force guy I worked on the beach to the stealth

795
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 3: bomber and the guy that was working in the group

796
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: I was in was a B fifty two guy, and

797
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 3: he was, yeah, I don't. I don't wash my cup either,

798
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: and he said I like that navy tradition. I said,

799
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: that's fine by me.

800
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And it kind of makes sense, especially if

801
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: you just fill it up. Just keep filling it up,

802
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: because you get that yeah, Patina and that whole you know,

803
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: exactly exactly exactly. Don't clean my cup. They still got

804
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 2: some sugar into that I found from two weeks ago.

805
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: Don't do it. I know there's a grain in there, right,

806
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: that's exactly right. Oh man, oh man. So being an

807
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: officer on a ship, does that get you different menu options? Well?

808
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. They the cruise mess, even unlike the destroyer, it

809
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 3: is actually pretty pretty stunning, and we were required to

810
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: check it out whenever we had duty. That's see your import.

811
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: We would eat in the cruise mess, for example, to

812
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: make sure the quality stayed there. And they had pretty

813
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 3: creative people. They are cooking out of cookbooks. They're this thing,

814
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 3: you know, standard Navy issue cookbook. But they were training

815
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: cooks and chefs and stuff you could get all the

816
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: way to Chief on that and the food was always

817
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: good and it was there was never anyone saying, you know,

818
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: I've given you a certain you can't get any more.

819
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 3: You keep going back and it's same. On the carrier.

820
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 3: They we had what we called the Dirty Shirt, which

821
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: is a cafeteria up for just under the flight deck.

822
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: Because I've flied two to three times a day each

823
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 3: each mission was two forty five to three point fifteen

824
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: in length and get a quick turnaround and have to

825
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: get something to eat, hit the head and then breathe

826
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: even go out and do the next one. And so

827
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: they had a cafeteria thing so you can go in

828
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 3: with your flight soon, which as the day wore on,

829
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: especially over in the golf of Tonkin, is really sweaty.

830
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: You know.

831
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 3: It's kind of like, dude, you need to change that.

832
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: But that's how we ate and that was right. That

833
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 3: was very relaxed because out where you could see on

834
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: and eat, which is the same setup that was on

835
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 3: the cruise mess for tables and chairs and stuff. They

836
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 3: had over here a cooler and there was ice cream, unlimited

837
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 3: ice cream.

838
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was like, where's that ice cream? Ice cream,

839
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 2: Lieutenant Dan ice cream, you got it, you got it.

840
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 2: Someting to make a smile.

841
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 3: And by the way, you know Lieutenant Dan Gary Sinise

842
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: is quite a supporter of veterans as you know. Yeah,

843
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 3: Foundation Dan Band a couple of times. My wife and

844
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: I attended that with fantastic performing and a good time

845
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 3: with that.

846
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: What a life changing movie for him to play Lieutenant Dan.

847
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because I mean like Top Gun, right, same

848
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: kind of you know, Mojo is what's come along with it.

849
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: Just an influence and people all recognize him from that,

850
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: not from his other shows, but Lieutenant Dan and the band, right,

851
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: he's even got Lieutenant Dan band. Yeah, I mean he's the.

852
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: Bass guitar on it time. That's an instrument. Another thing

853
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 3: on Top Gun the failure of the F fourteen that.

854
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: Killed Goose, Yes, the spin out.

855
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: It was a true failure mode that the F fourteen

856
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: could get because the Navy didn't pay the money to

857
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 3: do spin testing. They took wooden models and dropped them

858
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 3: off a tower, and the wooden models didn't spin, so

859
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 3: they said, well, the F fourteen won't spin. Ah. I

860
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 3: forgot one thing. The F fourteen's engines are not together

861
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 3: like the f fource. They're off center line thrust.

862
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

863
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: So if you if you killed this engine, usually it

864
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: coughs and sputters and quits. Well, the throttleers are up.

865
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 3: Then this one's spinning you around. The force spector turns

866
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: you right around and you're in a spin. And you

867
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: can't get out of a flat spin with an F fourteen.

868
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: No, So they brought that into the movie. Huh, that's

869
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 2: what they did.

870
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: And when he ejected that, he ran into the canopy

871
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 3: and the canopy killed him. Right, that can happen. That's

872
00:45:59,120 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: a single cannopy.

873
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was spinning it the he was behind him,

874
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 2: so by the time it opened, it shows him hitting

875
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: in the back. I mean, you know, Maverick gets out.

876
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: And here's the thing. Where they were doing all that.

877
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: It was over desert area. If you look at that,

878
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: that's an operating area that does exist in southern California

879
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 3: and Arizona. And where did he get rescued. He was

880
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 3: rescued in the ocean, totally.

881
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: Mavericks flas spinning out to the sea, sir.

882
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty miles away, two.

883
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: Hundred fifty miles away. And then my Dad's like, oh,

884
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: shark repellent. I was like, oh, is that what the

885
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,479
Speaker 2: green stuff is? Because when they land in the water,

886
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: you know, He's like, shark repellent. Yeah, yeah, And I

887
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, I love having my military dad telling

888
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: me these types of that's cool little things and you know,

889
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: be able to influence my head like that. So thanks, Dad,

890
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: appreciate you.

891
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: That's good. It made the mark because we don't have

892
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 3: much of that today and so you grew up with

893
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 3: oversight and you took it to heart and acknowledge it

894
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: and commit to it, and that doesn't happen nowadays, and

895
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: so you're to be recognized for that.

896
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: Good for you. Thanks, I appreciate.

897
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 3: Past wet year in the forties. I'm in soon to

898
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: be seventy nine. You have the baton. I don't have it.

899
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 3: I've passed it to you.

900
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. I'll steward it as best I can.

901
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 2: Everything that I take.

902
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 3: I can see that in you, and I hear that

903
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 3: in you.

904
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: So I'm yes, thank you, yes, and that I can

905
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: only do this to my family. Yeah, that's all I know.

906
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I do have a lot of the modern thoughts,

907
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: you know, I'm growing up with technology. Uh, you know,

908
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: I grew up in this you know, modern age that

909
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: you say seems to be getting a little bit less

910
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 2: personable and like less you know what about your neighbor

911
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: kind of attitude and more like just yourself. Yeah, I

912
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: kind of think.

913
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 3: It's a land of single, single people. I mean, I

914
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: grew up in a neighborhood and I don't believe people

915
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: say it takes a village. It doesn't. But I grew

916
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: up My grandfather was Justice of the peace. He was

917
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 3: elected thirty two years and as his grandson, I couldn't

918
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: step off the straight and narrow. He'd hear about it,

919
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: and then I learn about.

920
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 2: It, right, and that mattered, right.

921
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 3: Yes, But he was the guy that took me out

922
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: and we tap the sugar maple trees in the spring

923
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: and make real maple syrup in his backyard.

924
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: Right right. Delicious and healthy too for you. By the way,

925
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 2: it's a good recovery fuel for after workouts, maple syrup yah,

926
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: because of boxing. Come on, now I have to learn on, like,

927
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: how do I recover this beautiful body of mine? I'm

928
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: so sorry.

929
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 3: Here's the thing to impart to the vets that you

930
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: see subsequent to me or should get me on again,

931
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: at least in the col area. We've got something really

932
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: good and everyone should be made aware of it. And

933
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 3: we keep trying to do that. And we have good

934
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 3: support from the pharmaceuticals because it's it's a nonprofit organization,

935
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 3: but we do reach out. We do a lot of things.

936
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: They are constantly working. I helped recruit a couple of

937
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 3: special doctors. Hey, you specialize and transplants to the bone

938
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 3: marrow and you specialize in leukemia. Could give me one

939
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 3: of our list of special doctors experts. They said, sure,

940
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 3: I'll sign up on a problem. Just got to ask

941
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 3: the question. So you can take this one group of veterans,

942
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 3: guys and gals that have CLLL and they can come

943
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 3: to our organization no charge, and participate at the level

944
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 3: they want to and be quiet or be talking to

945
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: or join the group like I did. I was so profoundly,

946
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 3: positively affected. I said, I want to contribute to the

947
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: success of this and they will have a home to

948
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 3: where they'll be safe, to where they can find the

949
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 3: right direction for treatment, and where they will meet. The founder,

950
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 3: who has cl himself, he's a Canadian doctor, had to

951
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: retire because our immune systems compromised. He was seeing the kids,

952
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 3: and the kids, your kids get all the infections right right?

953
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 2: All that sure, sure he doesn't need that. Yeah, he

954
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: has to live still too.

955
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah and so, And they have some recognition at the VA.

956
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 3: I don't take it away from the VA, but the

957
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 3: VAS are autonomous EAHVA building its own separate facility. They

958
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 3: don't cross talk to the degree that one would expect.

959
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 3: Like if you're out here, you're part of the Providence

960
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: Hospital system. There's four or five different hospitals are all

961
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 3: under the same umbrella. The VA is not like that.

962
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 3: They're independent. I go to the Long Beach VA, and

963
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 3: I've had good luck there.

964
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 2: You hear that Long Beach those are that's a positive

965
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 2: review for you, Long Beach VA. You keep that up

966
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: Long Beach. Anybody out there working Long Beach pushing those soldiers,

967
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: their mean and corman and everybody around, Navy sailors, everybody

968
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: in those chairs. You guys keep it up in Long

969
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 2: Beach and all the other VAS.

970
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 3: They found they found my cancers. They in for meum

971
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 3: and it's good. They took care of business with me.

972
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: And then, like I talked to the attending I was

973
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 3: his only patient. We talked for two to three hours.

974
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's not really common.

975
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: No, no, we really get ten to fifteen minutes.

976
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's it's.

977
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 3: Good that that's there for the VET and we're here

978
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 3: to help because we're able to focus on something separate

979
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 3: with Salel Society to the benefit of the entire family,

980
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: because not only would take you the patient, we help

981
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 3: your caregiver, your spouse to learn what it is to

982
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 3: be a caregiver. Okay. And we even have couples to

983
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: where each of the couples has a form of cancer

984
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 3: or leukemia, so they're patient and a caregiver to each other. Yeah,

985
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 3: and that doesn't get any better than that. And those two,

986
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 3: those two people see the same doctor I do.

987
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, it's it's it's it's it's good to

988
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: have a support group. And you know, if somebody out

989
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: there has served in Vietnam and was exposed to agent Orange,

990
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: let's just point that out. And I'm going to put

991
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: this out here, these numbers if you served from the

992
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: sixties through nineteen seventy one, which was the end of

993
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: the use of agent Orange. Okay, that's when it was

994
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: officially banned by the US you used was seventy one.

995
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 2: You should definitely be talking about this with someone or

996
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: get a hold of the cl Society or hit up

997
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 2: your local VA advocate. And then also if you're dealing

998
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 2: with any types of issues after seventy one, because they

999
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 2: banned it and they got rid of it in nineteen

1000
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 2: seventy eight by taking it to Johnston Island where they

1001
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 2: quote unquote destroy the rest of agent Orange to get

1002
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: rid of it. So if you were involved in any

1003
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 2: of that, Okay.

1004
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 3: Here's a deal. I'm sitting in the dermidologist having stuff

1005
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 3: cut off. The guy next to me was a Marina

1006
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 3: sight of Johnson Island and he had COO and because

1007
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 3: he was stationed there, barrel's leak there on the island.

1008
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and here's the.

1009
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 3: Here's the other thing. Expand your paradigm just a little bit.

1010
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 3: Agent Orange was used in Korea and the DMZ Agent

1011
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 3: Orange was used in Thailand. So if you didn't, I

1012
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 3: had one guy who didn't ever touch Vietnam but landed

1013
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: in Thailand all the time. We'll use it there too.

1014
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 3: And the couple I told you about, the caregiver and

1015
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: patient to each other. He was an army artillery guy

1016
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: at his artillery unit was stationed at the DMZ of

1017
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 3: Korea when they were using it, and he has LPL

1018
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 3: which is a niche form of lymphoma stipe, and he

1019
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: has one hundred percent disability because he was exposed. He

1020
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 3: didn't go to Vietnam, but he's exposed to this evil

1021
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: stuff at the time.

1022
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it was created, Yeah, it sure was it.

1023
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 3: We would land in d Nan because han orents. You

1024
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: can't land on the ship with ornents to stress the

1025
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: airplane or the flight deck was messed up or accident

1026
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 3: or something and or they couldn't get us. Some time,

1027
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 3: we're running on fuel, they have to go get some fuel.

1028
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 3: And we'd sit there and be on the taxiway and

1029
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 3: they have forehead canopies that opened up and had no

1030
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: air conditioned on the ground, so it had the canopies open.

1031
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 3: And we're on the taxiway and the helicopters are taking

1032
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 3: off and they're flying right over us. The spray arms

1033
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 3: are out and as it comes over, we're getting wet

1034
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 3: because it's not spraying but it's leaking, and we're going like,

1035
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 3: what's that stuff? Well, it's I don't know it's and

1036
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 3: so it was you know, just poo contact right.

1037
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: It was. That's legit, straight up. That's like the guy

1038
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 2: spraying it, except they're just taking off. You know. I

1039
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: can only imagine, like, you know, a helicopter filling up

1040
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 2: at a pool to put a fire out and they

1041
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: take off and it's still dripping half the pool's amount. Yeah,

1042
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: you know.

1043
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way it was. And that's it.

1044
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: For it to always be a push and pull like

1045
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: is it attributed or not attributed, or like did this

1046
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 2: happen or does it exist a prior to enlistment and

1047
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: all these different types of things that we have to

1048
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: reroove excube to get your benefits. Yeah.

1049
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very, very hard, and like I said,

1050
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 3: it took me three years, and it shouldn't take any

1051
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 3: of that three years.

1052
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 2: It shouldn't not at all. No, and no, and it

1053
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 2: should not. It should Here's.

1054
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 3: Here's the deal too. Always get the number two pencil

1055
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 3: on line paper and check their math three times. I

1056
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: had because they were very coye the way they do it.

1057
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: At the end of it, okay, we reviewed and we

1058
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 3: done this. We agree with what you had to say.

1059
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 3: There's nothing more to do. So we considered this matter closed. Well, no,

1060
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 3: so I sat down with a pencil and said they

1061
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 3: didn't do the math right. So I did it down

1062
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 3: and make copies and send it to my vso an angel,

1063
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 3: one of my angels. Then she submitted it, and finally

1064
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 3: on the third time, I'm visiting her down in her

1065
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 3: office through the American Legion and I went. She went

1066
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 3: upstairs to where the regional was and talked to the

1067
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 3: supervisor and said, you know, the veterans found another mistake

1068
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 3: that your group is sent him, and here's the proof

1069
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: where he's right and your people are wrong. And the

1070
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 3: supervisor looked at it and he said, give it here,

1071
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 3: stamp it's approved. But I'm telling me he's got you

1072
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: going to give it to the group. I believe him.

1073
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 3: He proved to me that he knows what he's talking.

1074
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: Like, call me a liar, bro, I dare you that's

1075
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 2: what you? Yeah, I wouldn't know. And I'm glad that

1076
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: you have to keep pushing for it. You know, your ratings,

1077
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: I'm just going to be an advocate for that. Keep

1078
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 2: pushing for your ratings. You can. You know, if you're

1079
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: at forty sixty, you should be pretty much one hundred,

1080
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 2: you know, like, why are you half of I mean,

1081
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 2: it's not a bad thing. It's okay to get that rating.

1082
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't mean you have the mark of

1083
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 2: the beast on you.

1084
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 3: Or here's some others. You got me on a roll.

1085
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: I'm on my box. There's one of the things. I

1086
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 3: have a guy going to and say, well, I've got

1087
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 3: this problem. I have a classmate. He said, I got

1088
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: a tumor and have my kidney taken out. And it

1089
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 3: was a great fruit size tumor on kidney. And I said, okay, well,

1090
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 3: you're in the navy thirty years, you're retired, you're on

1091
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 3: a but you win all these different places and you

1092
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 3: got your exposure, and so you're going to submit a

1093
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 3: claim to the VA because you don't get cancer over right,

1094
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 3: and certain kinds of are still growing. And he said, well, no,

1095
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 3: they're probably going to not agree to it. So I'm

1096
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 3: just not going to even submit it. I said, well,

1097
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 3: the VIA you will like you because you don't cost

1098
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 3: any money. But you know what, let the VA make

1099
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 3: that decision, not you.

1100
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:23,439
Speaker 2: That's right.

1101
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 3: So he put it in and he got it.

1102
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: That's right, he got it. That's right. So whether you

1103
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: were involved in Asian Orange, or you were revolved some

1104
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: kind of crazy chemical, or you served in desert storm

1105
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: and you've gotten burn pits and Afghanistan and Iraq and

1106
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: you're dealing with any types of issues that are not fun.

1107
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 2: But your pride is standing in your way of going

1108
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 2: into the VA. Okay, don't do it when your wife

1109
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 2: has to push you in your sixty five. Do it

1110
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: now while you're in your forties, and you can go

1111
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: in there today, while you're still able to walk and

1112
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: talk and be yourself and get it done and enjoy it, yes,

1113
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: till it's like, oh, I really need it now, and

1114
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 2: it's already set in and the onset onset of everything

1115
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 2: has just happened, and now we're just going to carve

1116
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: you up.

1117
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, seriously, seriously, it can give you another anecdotal,

1118
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 3: same deal. And it was a niche problem. That's not

1119
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 3: why the think in the acronyms dish. And this guy

1120
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 3: had this much data on three inches. My full folder

1121
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 3: for the VA is three inches thick of my journey

1122
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 3: with the VA, and he kept presenting it, this is

1123
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 3: the San Diego via And then at first the doctor said,

1124
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 3: I don't believe it is that and the other. And

1125
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 3: he came in and with an intercomologist and everything else,

1126
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 3: and he submitted that. And the doctor came back one

1127
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 3: day and called him back in and said, you've convinced

1128
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: me there is a relationship here. I'm going to approve

1129
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: your disability. You've got it. And I said, Steve, because

1130
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 3: there are always those who say, well, you're trying to

1131
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 3: gain the system or you're just you know, trying to

1132
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,439
Speaker 3: take advantage of something that you didn't earn. Well, as

1133
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 3: I said to Steve the friend, I said, you didn't

1134
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 3: make the decision to get one hundred percent disability, but

1135
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 3: VA made a decision.

1136
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: That's right.

1137
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 3: It's not you the did you tell your friend exactly?

1138
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: You know what you tell your friend. Don't hate the player,

1139
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: hate the game, bro, That's right. Okay, Okay, hate the game,

1140
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: the game that veterans have to play, you know. But

1141
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 2: I'm grateful for my home and my VA home loan.

1142
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: Let me be honest. Sure right, I would be probably

1143
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 2: renting today if I hadn't had that VA home loan too. Okay,

1144
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna say, and I just want to say,

1145
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: you've been you've been wonderful. I've had you for this

1146
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: whole hour and we've just been going and I want

1147
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: to keep talking. There's so many stories, you know when

1148
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: you start saying fact and forward air controller and like

1149
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, did you carry a pistol? Like, uh, you

1150
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: know under your armpit. Yeah. See, there's so many things

1151
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: I would love to so just you know, keep you

1152
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: around as long as you want to be, you know,

1153
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 2: hanging out with me on soft rep and bring it

1154
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: back and have some stories and pick your brain.

1155
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 3: It's might would be my pleasure, it would be my

1156
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 3: honor you here so well, call back and consulted and

1157
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 3: happy to contribute to the betterment of the brother and

1158
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 3: sisterhood and help people on their journey. And just like

1159
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 3: the people have been exposed such that you get this

1160
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 3: insidious blood cancer. It's not a tumor, can't cut it

1161
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 3: out and it never goes away. It's whack a mole.

1162
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 3: You knock it down. It's not terrible, Okay, you get

1163
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 3: to fight it. You total up my disabilities right now

1164
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 3: and I'm one hundred and eighty percent disable.

1165
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 2: So it gets everybody that raised their hand, everybody that

1166
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: raised their hand to say I will fight for this

1167
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: country can fight this cancer that they might be getting,

1168
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: or any of these problems too. Because you promised to fight,

1169
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 2: you made an oath to fight, you fight for yourself.

1170
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 3: It's like the very rescue guy. He says, I'm an

1171
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 3: oath years ago, I'm still ready to do it. That

1172
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 3: doesn't go away. And I said, you're right, we're on

1173
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 3: the same page. It doesn't go away.

1174
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 2: Both means something in the.

1175
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 3: Old classic it's a brotherhood slash sisterhood that anyone who's

1176
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 3: been there, done that understands that, and it never goes

1177
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 3: away if you cut of the right stuff.

1178
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: Okay, what a great show, What a great show.

1179
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 3: For having me on. Thank you for consulting and yes

1180
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 3: asking I set this up.

1181
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 2: I can't even have You're so fun to talk to.

1182
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 2: It's it's we can keep going and going and going.

1183
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: But I'd rather do it in person or have some

1184
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: other like a five hour session with you. Maybe I

1185
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 2: can come over and sleep over and we can hang out.

1186
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: If mom says so, you know, it's like, yeah.

1187
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 3: Let me let me tell you that. I'll be happy

1188
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 3: to come back anytime.

1189
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 2: All right, Really, it's my pleasure, of my honor.

1190
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 3: I'm retired. I've got the time.

1191
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I figured, and you know, I've met a lot

1192
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 2: of folks, but there's only so many that could just

1193
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: like that, just sit with me, like come hang out.

1194
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 2: That's just like you're cool, bro. I appreciate your time.

1195
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 3: Thank you for your patience in the beginning.

1196
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 2: Oh you know, look at this beard. You see how

1197
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 2: long it is. You know how much patience I have?

1198
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so much.

1199
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 2: I'm a patient. I'm a patient boy. You there, you go, Well, listen,

1200
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna wind down by saying we need

1201
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 2: to check out the CLL Society. This is Bruce Wright,

1202
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: a former commander, retired navy aviator uh top gun, awesome

1203
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 2: human being on this earth who helps his normal nextdoor neighbor,

1204
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 2: available on social media probably and you know, thank you

1205
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: for being on the show, Bruce, you for having me.

1206
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 2: And to my producer, Anton, I know you're gonna have

1207
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 2: fun editing everything and putting all of these things into

1208
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 2: keywords so we can click on them on the website

1209
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 2: at softwap dot com. So just know that once this

1210
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 2: is all done, sir, we'll have that put up on

1211
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: the website and the links will be clickable that we

1212
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 2: talked about because these guys listen to my podcast and

1213
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 2: then go back and re edit it all to make

1214
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 2: it all perfect. So there you go. And with that

1215
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 2: on behalf of Soft Rep and Brandon Webb former Navy

1216
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: Seal what's up Navy? And my father former Navy. I say, piece,

1217
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: you've

1218
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: Been listening to Self Rep Radio