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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to another episode of The Black Guy to

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Speaker 2: Have a very special guest, first time guest on our show,

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Speaker 2: but I've been on his show a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: It's Zach from Living Corporate Podcast. Like I said, it's

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Speaker 2: a great show about diversity and about corporate America and

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Speaker 2: you know, all of that, all of that good stuff

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Speaker 2: and real talk Tuesdays, you know, it's time to just

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Speaker 2: you know, let people know what's really going on behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes. It's a great show and we appreciate him

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Speaker 2: coming on.

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Speaker 3: What's going on, Zach? How you doing?

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Speaker 1: Yo? I'm doing great, man. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: the words, and thank you for being a guest. Straight up, man.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate y'all.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's dope, man. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's like it's funny because I've now

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Speaker 2: like this is my full time job. But I was

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Speaker 2: in corporate America for like twenty years or something, you know,

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Speaker 2: from the time I was like sixteen, so it was

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Speaker 2: it was a long ass time stanton, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. So I definitely had the war stories and

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Speaker 2: all of that stuff. Can you tell the people what

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Speaker 2: they're like, you know, the general just in the mission

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Speaker 2: of living corporate.

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Speaker 1: Is yeah, for sure. So you know, like I try

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Speaker 1: to tell people, like, you know, family background for me

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Speaker 1: like y'all are not y'all are also from the South, right,

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Speaker 1: so y'all probably were late. Both sides of my family

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Speaker 1: like elementary school educations on my dad's side and my

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Speaker 1: my dad's side, I'm a second generation reader, like my

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying these white folks, especially as

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Speaker 1: an HR manager. So HR for those if you, I'm

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Speaker 1: So like when I came into this thing, I didn't

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, man, you know, like it is lonely

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Speaker 1: And so like that's where Living Corporate came umber. It's

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Speaker 1: a playoff a living single. You listen to the music,

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Speaker 1: it's literally just about us like doing what we do

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Speaker 1: like the idea of it came from a black guy

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Speaker 1: like y'all show, because with y'all, y'all have all these

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Speaker 1: you just shouted out Real Talk Tuesdays, and we have

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Speaker 1: like other series on that Living Corporate podcast. We have

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Speaker 1: Well, shoot, man, I was like in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you had been doing this for a while,

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Speaker 2: And how has it changed like to today?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're trying to give me all these medications. I

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Speaker 2: because it's kind of like matchmak like it's almost like dating.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, back back to you, Zach.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, no, no, no, non, please I agree with you,

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Speaker 1: I think. And that was the thing too, because I

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Speaker 1: they can date quote unquote more right, right, Whereas like

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Speaker 1: for me, I found I found this and he was

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Speaker 1: that he's you know, he's prescribing medication. But I was like, dang,

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Speaker 1: I really I respect him. Power to the people kind

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Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I really want Living Corporate

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Speaker 1: to be like a breathing network, like every day you

433
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Speaker 1: should be able to point to something we got going on.

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Speaker 1: And so the initial part of like hey, okay, because

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Speaker 1: I was Karen, I'm like, I'm like you, I'm also dogmatic, like, hey,

436
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Speaker 1: you know you said now you said you were gonna

437
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Speaker 1: do this, and like and it's hard for me, like

438
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Speaker 1: straight up, it's hard for me to not be like

439
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Speaker 1: that because I'm just I'm kind of country like that, Like, Yo,

440
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Speaker 1: you said you're gonna do something, you kind of need

441
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Speaker 1: to just do what you said you're gonna do. And

442
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna do it, you got to communicate

443
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Speaker 1: with me and let me know why you're not gonna

444
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Speaker 1: do it? Right, Like, I actually had anxiety about missing

445
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Speaker 1: the show because like, no, I literally said I was

446
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: gonna do it, and I'm really excited about being here.

447
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 1: What you gotta do and that's how things should I agree,

448
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,399
Speaker 1: ser that's how things should be. But things aren't like that,

449
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 1: and folks are really really trifling. I didn't I'm going

450
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Speaker 1: to realize, Karen, I ain't realize. Let me be honest

451
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: with you. I didn't realize, like I was. I tell

452
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 1: people all the time, like, so I'm thirty one, right,

453
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Speaker 1: so like I'm just and I my wife and I

454
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Speaker 1: we got married when I was like twenty I was

455
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Speaker 1: twenty three, so like and so like I'm I came

456
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Speaker 1: into this. We're kind of just coming out of this

457
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Speaker 1: like kind of college agy attitude stuff and I'm like

458
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Speaker 1: really looking around, like, oh wait, we're people are trifling

459
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Speaker 1: for real, like just a college thing. Like people just

460
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Speaker 1: don't do what they say they're gon'n do. Anyway, So

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Speaker 1: you asked me the question of just how like what

462
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Speaker 1: does it look like all the shows that Living Corporate has,

463
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Speaker 1: like they are pat they are aligned with the passions

464
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Speaker 1: of our hosts. So that makes it easier. Right with

465
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Speaker 1: the break room, it's all black psychologists and therapists, so

466
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Speaker 1: I don't have to tell them or ask beg them

467
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Speaker 1: to create the content because it's content that they're passionate

468
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: about to see it to be a series. Amy loves

469
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Speaker 1: that tapping with Tristan. Tristan, that's his thing. He loves

470
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: career tips. And then you know when it comes to

471
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Speaker 1: like the our other shows, the access Point, which is

472
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Speaker 1: focused on preparing black and brown college students for the workplace,

473
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Speaker 1: or the group Chat, which like this larger professional thing.

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Speaker 1: These are all things that are aligned to the host

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Speaker 1: goals and passions. So I always try to present it y'all,

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Speaker 1: like to your point around like not looking like the boss.

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Speaker 1: My genuine heartened attitude is I'm trying to help y'all, Like,

478
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Speaker 1: what does it look like for us to be mutual?

479
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Speaker 1: Here living corporate is a network. Here's an opportunity for

480
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Speaker 1: you to do something that can further help you monetize

481
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Speaker 1: what you got going on. Marketing for you. I'll pay

482
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Speaker 1: for everything from administrative perspective, I just need X, Y

483
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Speaker 1: and Z, right, I'll give you full creative control. My

484
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: job is just to help you make you better, and

485
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Speaker 1: like that attitude and that willingness to kind of give

486
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Speaker 1: a little makes things easier. Now, that doesn't mean that

487
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Speaker 1: there aren't sometimes I'm like, ay, y'all where we're at

488
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: with this? Hey, we're supposed to get this done. But

489
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Speaker 1: those conversations are fewer and further farther between, right, because

490
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Speaker 1: the people who are involved they care, right, Like even

491
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Speaker 1: the show, like even the title of the show, the Breakthrough.

492
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Speaker 1: I didn't come up with the title of the show.

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Speaker 1: I'm literally here. I just try to take the attitude

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Speaker 1: of a facilitator. If I took the attitude of like,

495
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Speaker 1: I'm really trying to like work everybody, then this would

496
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Speaker 1: not be fun. And the minute it's not fun, I

497
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Speaker 1: can't do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I agree with that totally, especially at last part.

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Speaker 2: What Like, Also, I feel like there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: commentary on the show where you don't like avoid the

501
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Speaker 2: things that I think a lot of black people in

502
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Speaker 2: corporate America feel like they have to avoid. Right, So,

503
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Speaker 2: you know, George Floyd Daunte Wright, you know, racism.

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Speaker 3: And shit like that.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think one of the big major things

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Speaker 2: that has happened in the last year, and it's kind

507
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Speaker 2: of been a weird I don't know how you feel about.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of been a weird connection that white people

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Speaker 2: have made, which is George Floyd died. Oh god, we

510
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Speaker 2: need to diversify corporate America. You know, it's just like,

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Speaker 2: I'm that's not the same. Not that I'm against that,

512
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Speaker 2: but it it's weird that you think that that was

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Speaker 2: what people want. Yeah, you know, so like this last

514
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Speaker 2: year you kind of seen them kind of address and

515
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Speaker 2: try to change some things.

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Speaker 3: And we'll see how long that lasts.

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Speaker 2: But what was the decision or was it even a

518
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Speaker 2: decision to be like, yeah, I want to have this

519
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Speaker 2: podcast and this Living Corporate, but also you know, we're

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Speaker 2: talking about how people feel about black death and then

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Speaker 2: having to come into those workplace that's ultimately a white environment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so those things are one and the same. I

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Speaker 1: came in, I came and Living Corporate knew, and I

524
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Speaker 1: wanted that knowing. I wanted to have frank conversations because like,

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Speaker 1: and I know, like you, like y'all have both been

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Speaker 1: in corporate America, like Roddy, you know, the workplaces like

527
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Speaker 1: there's this thing and so the diversity inclusion industry is

528
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Speaker 1: just such a scam, right, So, like it's typically a

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Speaker 1: lot of white folks coming in you using language that

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Speaker 1: they created to talk to talk around, to talk around

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Speaker 1: things that they really don't understand. So and I just

532
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Speaker 1: got tired of it. So you talked about kind of

533
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Speaker 1: like what led me there is like you know, an

534
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Speaker 1: these conversations and people talking about unconscious bias, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is.

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Speaker 3: Like I mean like.

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Speaker 1: Like it's also when you're doing something and you don't

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Speaker 1: know that you're doing. And I was like and like

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Speaker 1: I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist, Doug, but it's

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Speaker 1: like I mean, and I'm like, yeah, there are things

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Speaker 1: that I do that I know i'm doing, Like and

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Speaker 1: these things that we're talking about at work were like

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Speaker 1: you you know, when you're when you calm me, like

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Speaker 1: it's again, like it's there's language, and there's things that

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Speaker 1: people are doing to really like kind of obstucate the

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Speaker 1: issue or kind of like deflect from any type of accountability.

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Speaker 1: So when you use things like microaggressions even or or

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Speaker 1: unconscious bias, it's the it's the interest of those people

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Speaker 1: in power to make those things seem small, right or accidental,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, well, no, I don't really want to

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Speaker 1: do that. I want to create a space where we're

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Speaker 1: talking about why y'all are so racist? Right, Like, why

553
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Speaker 1: do y'all continue to to jack with us? I'm about

554
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Speaker 1: to say something else with my parents. Listen, why do

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Speaker 1: y'all y'all we'll.

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Speaker 3: Do the class in form. He is fuck with us?

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Speaker 3: All right, appreciate it, but they cursed, okay, so it's fine.

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Speaker 1: Respect respect. So so like like let's have these dialogues

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Speaker 1: and so yeah, I never wanted to shy away from that.

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Speaker 1: And that's why even if you listen to Living Corporate,

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Speaker 1: it's not me like ranting like to the ethers, even

562
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Speaker 1: though let's needed, like we do need black people, like

563
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Speaker 1: black anger is needed and it's important and it should

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Speaker 1: be documented and used effectively. So not shaming nobody who

565
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Speaker 1: has a pot and all theyre doing is being mad.

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Speaker 1: Good for you, thank you for for you.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead.

568
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Speaker 1: But but what we do is we have on white executives.

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Speaker 1: We'll have on white executives and be like, so, talk

570
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: to me about what you're doing at survey Monkey the company, right,

571
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: what happened, what's changed? And have the CEO explain what

572
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: he's doing right, like to me, like, that's the bridge

573
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: the gap, right. It's not that we're trying to exclude anybody,

574
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Speaker 1: We're just trying to recenter the conversation. So much of

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Speaker 1: these conversations are centered on whiteness. You're absolutely right. Why

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Speaker 1: is it that when you see a black body dead

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Speaker 1: in the street your first step is, oh, we should

578
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Speaker 1: probably we should probably make some more niggas to manage us.

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Speaker 3: That's right, just weird.

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Speaker 2: It's such a weird connection to me. And it's I mean,

581
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Speaker 2: like I said, I'm not knocking. I think it's dope

582
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Speaker 2: that there's an opportunity. I hope black people are taking

583
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Speaker 2: those opportunities. I feel like white guild is a finite resource.

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Speaker 3: And it drives up quickly. Use it, use it, why

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Speaker 3: you can? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: But it is weird that the connection folks made was

587
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Speaker 2: George Floyd got killed. We should promote black people to manager, Like,

588
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: it's just like what what you and you should have

589
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: to be the one to go to therapy to figure

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Speaker 2: out what happened there?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And why are you hitting me? Up.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is, so I've been making like more

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Speaker 1: granular rod. You know, people be like, oh, you know,

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00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: you got your white colleagues, white employees, or your white

595
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: bosses talking about Oh you know, I just saw what

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Speaker 1: was happening in the in the in the street with

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Speaker 1: George Floyd. Just wanted to check in what you see?

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Speaker 1: How you do? I said, ma'am. First of all, that's

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00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: so it's it's just so oddly dehumanizing that the only

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Speaker 1: you think you think about me, you want to call

601
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Speaker 1: me when you see a black like you see a

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Speaker 1: dead body in the street, that makes you think, let

603
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: me call Jamal today. No, that's crazy, right, Like like

604
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: that speaks to it just speaks to a certain level

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00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: of just in humanity that is inherent and part of

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Speaker 1: the power majority culture. And it's part of America that

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Speaker 1: I think we don't discuss. And so like that's why

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00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm living corporate man, Like you know, we'll have partnerships

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00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: with like major brands and stuff. I don't really care

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00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: because if you're going to be on living corporate, like

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00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: we're going to have the real conversations, Like we don't

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00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: come on like there's so many people and I'll say

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Speaker 1: this not stop because you didn't even ask me all this.

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00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: There's just so many people though, who try to hit

615
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: up Living corporate and use us as like this marketing

616
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: tool about like why why why why they love niggas

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00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, and I'm like, nah, likely.

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Speaker 3: What I was going to ask you next? So this

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Speaker 3: is just good, keep going.

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Speaker 1: Well, just people hit me up. They hit me up

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Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, we want to have we want

622
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Speaker 1: to do this, and I'm like, okay, listen before you

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Speaker 1: come on, you should listen to this episode, this episode,

624
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Speaker 1: this episode, because this is the vibe, right like, you're

625
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: not going to control the narrative, you're not going to

626
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: control the questions, and you're not going to control the

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Speaker 1: edits even right like this cast Like I shout out

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Speaker 1: to so Cognizant m It's a consulting firm, and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna shave the company on purpose this time. So Cognitizant

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Speaker 1: Consultants and they reached out and I interviewed the person

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Speaker 1: who was the head of Diverse conclusion of the time, sister,

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Speaker 1: incredible person. All the love and respect for her record

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Speaker 1: the interview, we put it out there. CEO hits us up. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we don't really you know, we didn't really like how

635
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: you said this or the person who you spoke to,

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Speaker 1: they didn't get approval before they recorded with you, So

637
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Speaker 1: we need to get to take it down. Taking this down. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking this down now. I thought about it

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Speaker 1: right because because the guest was a black because the

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Speaker 1: person I sposed was a black woman, and I tried

641
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: to not make black women's lives harder. I try not to,

642
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: like as a as a baseline, but at the same time,

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Speaker 1: like our principles like no, we're unbought like so no,

644
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Speaker 1: like we're gonna do what we want to do. And

645
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: there have been companies and brands who like they back

646
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: up or they'll they'll proceed with the interview, and then

647
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: I hear through the grave mind later that like they

648
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: got in trouble because we were so frank and so like,

649
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, I just but I continue to tell people

650
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: it's like, look, if you want to do that, if

651
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: you want to go on a platform and you want

652
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: people to like lick you up and whatever, you should

653
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: like go to like a bigger you should go to

654
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: the big brands that are like owned by like a

655
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: bunch of different people because I am the only owner

656
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: of Living Corporate, and you what you see is what

657
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: you get, and if you don't want that kind of conversation,

658
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: don't come over here. Right Like I remember, I reached

659
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: out to somebody. I reached up to somebody, and I

660
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: wanted to do like some collapse run like I was

661
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: and Karen I tried to do. I wanted to do

662
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: like I wanted to get a featured I wanted to

663
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: do something where we're like I partner with this major

664
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: publication was Harbor Visit Review, and I look up and

665
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: they don't respond back, like there's no interest. And then

666
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: I see Harbor Visits Review has made like their own

667
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: version of Living Corporate right right now, they had it

668
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: stopped like I haven't seen it in a while. But

669
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: it was like a little limited series and it was

670
00:31:53,000 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: like a watered down corporate corporate approved Living Corporate because.

671
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: Not because that's the thing about the diversity and inclusion

672
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: area of corporate America. It's like every other area of

673
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: corporate America. It has to be controlled and it can't

674
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: really grow recklessly in their in their view, I'll tell

675
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: this that anadelt all the time but I still remember

676
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: when we had the uh taboo we had.

677
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if you ever had this.

678
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: People talk about this, but it's like corporate taboos, corporate taboos, and.

679
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: So we had a big thing in our company.

680
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: It was like, we're going to talk about the issues

681
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: that people don't talk about enough, and we're gonna have

682
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna it was a big coming.

683
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: It's like we're gonna have two different.

684
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: All day meetings and you'll be allowed to ask the

685
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: questions that you're afraid to ask, and no one's gonna

686
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: get in trouble.

687
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: Blah blah. They're not ready for that.

688
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: So my question, uh, which is funny because corporate American

689
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: year at work, so number one, a lot of people

690
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 2: just ain't gonna ask them questions because point blank they

691
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: don't want to be connected to asking anything that makes

692
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: somebody uncomfortable.

693
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: So you have a built an incentive to not do

694
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: that shit. Now, me being the reckless.

695
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 4: Person i've always been, I was like, I'm gonna ask

696
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 4: because if what you're gonna do and I don't even

697
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 4: want to say it on something like woke shit, I

698
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: was like, I'm gonna ask because if nothing else this

699
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 4: fiting to be funny.

700
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: I was like, it's no way what they're saying is true.

701
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: So I was like, I asked them specifically, why didn't

702
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: we have any black people in the upper levels of

703
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: management and what about diversity in that Actually I didn't

704
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: even say diversity I just said black people. And so

705
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: their response was to talk the company was originally founded

706
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: in Copenhagen, so their response was to say, well, in

707
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: our CEO, you know, management level group, we added our

708
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: first American this year, and it was an American white man.

709
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: And then they said, in management we have hired a

710
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: lot of women and they were white women. And then

711
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 2: every black person in the room made the same face,

712
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: and we all looked at each other, and everybody was

713
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: looking at me, like these niggas, And I was like.

714
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 3: I had to ask, you know what, like, hey, we

715
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 3: all wanted to know.

716
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: Let's be frank and we all know and all of

717
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: us noticed they dodged that question and they didn't bring

718
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: up They didn't bring up race once in that answer

719
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: because they hadn't done anything to diversify by putting black

720
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: people in any area they and this was before George

721
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: Floyd and all that shit. This is years and years

722
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: and years ago, so they didn't even have the white

723
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: guilt of like, fuck, I guess we gotta go hire

724
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: a black person out. They just all looked. They just

725
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: are like, we're not answering that question. The question we

726
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: want to answer is white women and an American man.

727
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 3: That's your diversity. Are you happy now? And you're like no.

728
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 4: And also, to go back to what you were saying,

729
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 4: when corporate America tries to do things like podcasts and

730
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 4: spring out into these other realms that they want to control,

731
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 4: a lot of times, it's very boring. And that's what

732
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 4: people don't understand. A lot of that shit is very

733
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 4: very boring. It's very dull, it's very watered down, it's

734
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 4: very structured. You have management up for management just controlling

735
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 4: the host. And then they wonder why nobody wants to

736
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 4: watch it, nobody wants to listen to it, or anything

737
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 4: like that, and they end up ended it because they

738
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 4: was like, well, we pushing the promoter and nobody wanted

739
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 4: to hear our diversity about white people being white people.

740
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: I don't even think I don't even think that's the

741
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 2: point of them. I don't think they're asking those questions

742
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: at all, Like why aren't people watching? I think the

743
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: point is to address it in a way that dead

744
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: ends it.

745
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: Right.

746
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: So it's like, because listen, if you're telling me, hey, Roger,

747
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: you run the Blackout Tips, Inc. Or whatever, you got

748
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: all these employees, some of them are unhappy with something,

749
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: and you can either a try to address the unhappiness

750
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: and go fix that, or you can be do this

751
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: easier thing address their unhappiness and don't do shit by

752
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: just saying like I tried, and I think a lot

753
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: of that stuff is I tried is to you know,

754
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: back before podcasting used to get these magazines, corporate magazines,

755
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: everybody would put them out like quarterly or whatever, and

756
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: they'd be like a diversity or you know, like they'd

757
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: be like a page somewhere in there, and it's like

758
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: talking to black people who work here or something, and

759
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: it's like, how is it working here a black person?

760
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: It's basically like they did the interview doing this thing,

761
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: or they're like pounding their fists into their hand because like,

762
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: so what you think about working here? And everybody's like, oh,

763
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: I think I like it a lot, and y'all are

764
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: doing good?

765
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: All right? Break good? Because I think that's what you

766
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 3: need to be saying. That is what I'm saying.

767
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 4: Please don't hurt me, don't find me. And then you

768
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 4: put that in your page and you go, we did it, y'all.

769
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 4: We talked about diversity. It's like, but that's not real.

770
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: And but when you partner with like like you said,

771
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: incorporate or an nty, you don't truly control, that's when

772
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: you might get into some real talk. And that's when

773
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: you get that, Hey, Zach, you mind if you can

774
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 2: take some of these comments out the part where she

775
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: says she's not that comfortable yet, to just take that

776
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: out and maybe insert that I am very comfortable and

777
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: I love working here.

778
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: Could you just kind of fix.

779
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: That edit for us?

780
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: And you know, and I think that's the you know,

781
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: that's kind of interesting, but it's also why it's really dope.

782
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: We have podcasting and stuff like Living Corporate where it's like,

783
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I can hear a real story, I can

784
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: hear real people. And and just for the record, if

785
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: you haven't heard the show, it's not like this like

786
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: we're talking like I'm saying this and you're just gonna

787
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 2: turn in this and like Live it Corporate Mother fucking

788
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: all these crackers gotta go down, like like, it's not

789
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: it's not the power.

790
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's very like.

791
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: It's just that it's it's the same like vibe as

792
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: you know, very professional people talking about this thing. But

793
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: but the point is they're just not running away from

794
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: topics that a corporate America kind of steers us away

795
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: from and then still call claims the diversity credit. Right,

796
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: it's like, don't talk about that, but we still want

797
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: credit for the fact that we kind of almost talked

798
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: about it.

799
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: Like no, that doesn't count.

800
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't do that, like that that's doesn't it

801
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 4: doesn't count, and it's not fair. Yeah, no, because it's

802
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 4: a disservice to the people that you claim you're trying to,

803
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: you know, reach out to support, like and a lot

804
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 4: of jobs, particularly with George Floyd and all this stuff.

805
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 4: They have these committees where they kind of branch out

806
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 4: and was like, hey, join this diversity committee because I've

807
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 4: seen this at my job. But they're like, you know,

808
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 4: we picking people for the diversity committee. I was like,

809
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 4: I'm not joining that bullshit. To be in a room

810
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 4: with a bunch of white people to shoot down every

811
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 4: fucking idea I come up with.

812
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: Now, now it's your job on top of your job, right,

813
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: that's what I said.

814
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 3: I said, Oh no, no, you're doing this. You're gonna

815
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: pay me. This is more work.

816
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and my bad once And it's a different type

817
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: of job that requires its own different roles. Like I

818
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: can't like if I if I'm supposed to turn in

819
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 2: a report on Tuesday, I know all the dynamics of

820
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: like when it that is good, when that is bad?

821
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: What I did wrong?

822
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 2: If I'm the diversity Inclusion panel person now and I

823
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: do this meeting.

824
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: Once a week for an hour or something, it's nebulous.

825
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: What is a good job there? It's neverless what I'm

826
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: allowed to do. It's a neverless what. It's neveruless what

827
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be punished for. Like that's a lot different

828
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: than I you know, Okay, at eight am we turn

829
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: in reports. Every Monday at ten am we have our

830
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: meeting and every at you know that on Fridays we

831
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: do blank that. This is totally different when you because

832
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: the company doesn't have these outline structures for like this

833
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: is what we want from this committee, Here's what you're

834
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: allowed to do, Here's how we're gonna empower you. It's

835
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: very much just like, don't fuck up too much. How

836
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 2: will I know if I'm sucking up, you'll know.

837
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 4: And it's like, don't bring up any black sp.

838
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

839
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 4: You'll know because you can you not bring They're not

840
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 4: gonna tell you don't bring up any black shit.

841
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: They're gonna be like, go do the job.

842
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 2: We just want you to do it with lip service,

843
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: lip service, lip service, and you come back and go,

844
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: all right, So we think fifty percent of the management

845
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: team should be diverse candidates, and they'd be like, yeah,

846
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: we didn't know that. What are y'all doing in there?

847
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: We wanted y'all to come back and say, we're gonna

848
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: make a poster for a black history mom and right

849
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: right and hang it up on the wall. We didn't

850
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 2: think you was gonna like that would require us actually

851
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 2: like managing some people and moving some people.

852
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: No, no, we ain't trying to do that anything that

853
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: really involves any type of actual structural change. They not

854
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: for that. It's more about it's the theater of it.

855
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: All right, Oh yo, we got we did like this thing,

856
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: or like we like we did a mural right, or

857
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: we did like a we created like a post and

858
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: had some cool quotes about how great they like to

859
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: work for niggas like to work for us. But here's

860
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: the thing. It's funny because I was talking to you

861
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 1: said something earlier, Rod, and I think Karen you also

862
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: alluded to it too, about like this thing's going to

863
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: always time back to slavery. So like this was like

864
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: like a year or so ago. We had this woman

865
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: on the show and as an example of like kind

866
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: of the such the living corporate talks about. Her name

867
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: is Caitlyn Rosenthal. She's a professor. She wrote this book

868
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: called Accounting for Slavery. So Accounting for Slavery is about

869
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: how pretty much everything we learned around corporate America, specifically

870
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: management consulting, mid level management, incentive programs, everything we learned, right,

871
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: all of that came from childe slavery. And so one

872
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: day we were talking at one part of the interview,

873
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: we were talking and I said, you know, is it true?

874
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: I said, I think that. I said, I think when

875
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: you look at like a plantation, they're pretty diverse, right,

876
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: Like you think about you have age diverse, generational diversity.

877
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: You even have like broad or different representations of the

878
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: black dasper. You have some we have gender diversity, and

879
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: then you also have even like ethnic diversity in that

880
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: there's Africans, there's biracial people. I said, you even have

881
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: organizational diversity in that you have people doing different things

882
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: like on the plantation. Cause it's like because we were

883
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: talking about it really like taking like talking about it

884
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: like a cold business, right, I said, but what you

885
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: don't really have is like inclusion because and you don't

886
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: have equity because everyone is in a very specific cast.

887
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: And she got quiet and she said, that's true. I've

888
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: never thought about it that way, and like that's really

889
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 1: what corporate America be. Like, it's like, well, well we'll

890
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: spread y'all all around. We have you doing this on accounting,

891
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: or have you doing some engineering. We'll have you doing

892
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: some you know, janitor custodia work, but ain't none of

893
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: y'all will have no power though, Like behind all of y'all,

894
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be some white lady typically telling y'all what

895
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: to do, and then beyond, beyond behind her, it's gonna

896
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: be some white man. And like that's really like that's

897
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: really how it be. And so like when we talk

898
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: on living corporate You're absolutely right, we're not here screaming,

899
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: except there was a couple of episodes. I got upset,

900
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: no no cap. I was very mad, But like typically

901
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: we have these conversations. It's really funny because it's like

902
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: we're very calmly talking about white supremacy culture, right, and

903
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: how these corporate systems, corporate capitalists, patriarchal systems they harm us,

904
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: and how and how they need to be like fundamentally dismantaled.

905
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: It's crazy, Rod cararn I got people on the record

906
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: and I laughed. I didn't edit it out. I have

907
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: the chief diversity officer of Dropbox. He on the record

908
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: said we need to radically reimagine these corporate systems if

909
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: we truly want to solve for equity. And I said, damn,

910
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: you really said that out loud And I really kind

911
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: of And he's a black man, but I still have

912
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: the poss I really got this. I said, Okay, this

913
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: platform is dope. This person really says something, you know,

914
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: you know that's just not what they say, right, Like

915
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: it's like it's about maintaining order and control. So it's

916
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: been dope, man, it's been fun.

917
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean also, like I think people for America too,

918
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: like corporate America is founded on American slavery.

919
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: Like corporations already.

920
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: Can be exploitative abuse of all that other stuff, no

921
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: matter where you're at, like because you know, a lot

922
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: of that shit is just built into the PI. Like,

923
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: so it's one person who decided to manage a lot

924
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: of people and keep most of the money right, and

925
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: so it can be exploitative. I'm not saying it has

926
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: to be there. There's uh, there are people that I've seen,

927
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: you know, do it better than.

928
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: Others and and and.

929
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: You know, famously and whatnot. So that's cool.

930
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: But American slavery is so different, and which means America

931
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: corporations are so different. Americans are the most overworked, to

932
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: have like the to have the reputation of lazy da

933
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 2: da da da. We spend the most time at work

934
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: compared to every other country.

935
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: Just about it.

936
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: Where it's like, hey, you're the forty hour work week

937
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: is a remnant of slavery. You know, the fact that

938
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: we can't get health care unless it's attached to a

939
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: job as a remnant of slavery. And it's at this

940
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: point it's just not questioned, You know, it's just like

941
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: that's what it is, but that's not what it is

942
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: everywhere for a reason, and specifically because of anti blackness

943
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 2: in America, a lot of this stuff remains in place

944
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 2: because we've never been able to really unify with white

945
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: people who also are suffering under this the same shit,

946
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: but they don't see it the same because they're allowed

947
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: to go.

948
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 3: But I'm white, and I'd rather have this whiteness.

949
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: Lording over you than to join with you and go,

950
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: wait a minute, we're both being fucked. We should not

951
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: have to work forty hours a day, of forty hours

952
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: a week, and also no vacation, and also we're not

953
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 2: getting you know, we're not getting benefits unless we're having

954
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: a job that works forty hours a week and a

955
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: certain type of job like that. Kind of stuff could

956
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: be eradicated, but it would really depend on us seeing

957
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: each other as human. And when I say us, I

958
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 2: mean really white people seeing us black people as human.

959
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: That's really the main hindrance in America.

960
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, And to piggyback on what you were

961
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 4: saying before about the plantation and slavery, you know, kind

962
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 4: of unit like that. Another reason to keep the separation also.

963
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 4: And I see this a lot when communication, because when

964
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 4: you lack communication on these divisions, you prevent the company

965
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 4: from actually being the best that it can be. Because

966
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 4: people that work in corporate America, I've never understood this.

967
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 3: You always see this.

968
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 4: It's a breakdown between the IT department and upper management.

969
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 4: It's a breakdown between the IT department and then accounting department,

970
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 4: is a breakdown between the accounting department and the marketing department.

971
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: It's like these people don't fucking.

972
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 4: Talk to each other at all, and so when everything

973
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 4: goes haywire, nobody knows how to handle it. And then

974
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 4: you want to bring all the upper upper management in,

975
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 4: you of all these departments, so you actually talking to

976
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 4: a small piece of the entire department bringing them in.

977
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 4: And a lot of times these people they understand the function,

978
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 4: but they don't know the every day to day thing

979
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 4: that they're actually departments do, which they're not supposed to know,

980
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 4: but they don't know that. And with all this, like

981
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 4: a communication, comes a breakdown. A lot of times everything

982
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 4: ends up falling apart. And management, you know, they implement

983
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 4: these rules, they they all over the place. They don't

984
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 4: know how to respond to shit because of this lack

985
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 4: of communication. And I think that that comes from all

986
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 4: this separation, like you say, If these pieces communicated, like

987
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 4: you say, I think they never't realize how much power

988
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 4: it is more of us than you. So we could

989
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 4: demand better pay, like I try it funny, We could

990
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 4: demand to work less hours, we could demand better insurance.

991
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 4: And so I think this is why they keep all

992
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 4: this shit separate purposely strategically, because you know, instead of

993
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 4: doing the right thing, which would be raising your pay,

994
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 4: instead of raising your pay a quarter every year and

995
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 4: shit like that, you know, and talking about wood were

996
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 4: doing something for you instead of giving your fucking pizza

997
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 4: parties and thinking everything is all right, like we're doing

998
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 4: something big here. We would actually do the right thing

999
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 4: and pay you a living wage and actually every year

1000
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 4: increase your living wage to where it should be on

1001
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 4: market level, you.

1002
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: Know, and things like that, like like this is the

1003
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 3: way my mind works.

1004
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 4: And also when you're talking about corporations years ago now

1005
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 4: only about corporations based off of slavery, unions happen because

1006
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 4: people begin to actually talk to each other and communicate

1007
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 4: with each other, they try to break unions because they

1008
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 4: want that division because without the power of unions, they

1009
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 4: can't hold corporations accountable, you know, because like you said,

1010
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 4: you have one person or this collectiveness border people dictating to.

1011
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 3: What everybody else does.

1012
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 4: And then people complain about the hours, they complain about

1013
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 4: the management, they complain about the structure, they complain about

1014
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 4: you know, the atmosphere and all this shit can change

1015
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 4: if people got together, But instead they divide it up

1016
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 4: and they break it down so people can actually get

1017
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 4: the benefits of a union without actually putting into a union.

1018
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 4: That's not right and that's not fair. They want to

1019
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 4: make the money. So if I get injured at work,

1020
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 4: I don't have no rights.

1021
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: They want to what's interested is union jobs.

1022
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: Typically the aren't corporated jobs. You know, your union jobs are,

1023
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: you know, railroad and stuff. They break that shit up

1024
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 2: like it's starting to make a comeback. Is the corporate

1025
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: union job, which is because of the gig economy and

1026
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: because of so many of these digital outlets that claim

1027
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: to be like super progressive, but then that's not how they.

1028
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 3: Treat their employees. Their employees are basically taking them up

1029
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 3: on that bat.

1030
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: And you're seeing, like the New York Times, like we're

1031
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: gonna have former union and a lot of these corporate

1032
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: podcasts and spaces and stuff, people are forming unions and

1033
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: you're also seeing them busted like the same, but this

1034
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: time they're liberal, woke quote unquote organizations, and they're just

1035
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: as anti union as a fucking railroad bearing when it

1036
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: comes down to it, because they're like, we don't want

1037
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 2: y'all knowing each other's salary, we don't want y'all grouping up,

1038
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: we don't want y'all creating rules and stuff. The other

1039
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: thing too, about inclusion, because everybody talks about the diversity part,

1040
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: but the inclusion part that's interesting. It's often like, Okay,

1041
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 2: we're gonna pick some people black people, white women, whatever,

1042
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: brown people, and then we're gonna put them in positions

1043
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 2: within the company where they, you know, have some at

1044
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: least some power, if not symbolic power whatever. Right, that's inclusion.

1045
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: Like now we have a black person on the management team. Yes,

1046
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: it's the black person they picked, So so you still

1047
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: have that self selecting kind of like double Dylan, because

1048
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: we all know and I'm not saying that this is

1049
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: every black person, but we all have had that experience

1050
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: where we're like Oh, you're the one. You're the person

1051
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: that I got, So no, I can't trust you anymore.

1052
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: And I trust these white folks because at the end

1053
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: of the day, you're just as much on that bullshit

1054
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: because you're the of course you're the one they pick.

1055
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: And whether you do it out of scarcity and you

1056
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: feel scared and.

1057
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: You're like, I don't want to cause no problems, they

1058
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: don't let.

1059
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: Me in this good job, or if you're just like

1060
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: or if you're just the person that's like, no, I

1061
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: actually really do believe that, you know, diversity is white

1062
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 2: women and American men in the corporates.

1063
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 3: Like, if that's what you believe, then you'll get that job.

1064
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: So it is kind of a like Zachary alluded to,

1065
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 2: it is kind of like that plantation type mentality.

1066
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, and sometimes I can say it's very frustrating, particularly

1067
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 4: when it comes to since we talked about corporate American

1068
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 4: pop we move on. It's very frustrating because it's two things.

1069
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 4: You either buy into it or you don't, and particularly

1070
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 4: black and brown people. And when you buy into it,

1071
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 4: you can go up the corporate ladder, and when you don't,

1072
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 4: you have decided bucket. I whatever y'all the shit y'all want,

1073
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 4: I don't want it, and I'm not about it. And

1074
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 4: a lot of times when they don't know the real you,

1075
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 4: because most of the time in corporate America, most black people,

1076
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 4: your white coworkers don't know the real you. They know

1077
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 4: your representative because you are own at all. Motherfucking times,

1078
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 4: they know the Hi, Becky, how are you doing? How

1079
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 4: was your weekend? You had a great time skiing? That's

1080
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 4: the person that they know. They don't know the real

1081
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 4: you at all, and.

1082
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 3: So a lot of times when they ask, a lot

1083
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 3: of times, I.

1084
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 4: Know, for me at my old job, I used to

1085
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 4: I don't want to go up your corporate ladder. I

1086
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 4: don't want the bullshit like like I'm good.

1087
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1088
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: The word for that is languishing, which is what a

1089
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 2: lot of people who are a corporate America do, which

1090
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: is I'm not really having success here. I'm not really

1091
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 2: happy here, but I like these benefits or I like

1092
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: that I get a check every couple of weeks.

1093
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 3: I needed to pay my bills and I don't. I don't,

1094
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 3: but I don't want to.

1095
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: I'm not happy here and I don't want to join in,

1096
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 2: so I don't want to move my way up to

1097
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: management ladder. If I do, it's all because I'm being

1098
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: compelled to, and I think that's what I have to do.

1099
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 2: I don't really want to be at all the corporate events.

1100
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not making connections here that are.

1101
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 3: More than just work.

1102
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: Like, it's not like these are not my friends, these

1103
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 2: are not you know, and I think a lot of

1104
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: marginalized people. What we don't talk about is that a

1105
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 2: lot of us get that job, but then we languish.

1106
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: Like the idea is that oh, we hired you, you

1107
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: got the job, and now it's great, you can move up,

1108
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: you can be just like everyone else. And it's like, quote, culturally,

1109
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: I can feel that that's not going to happen here

1110
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 2: because like, what we don't talk about is that a

1111
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: lot of times, the way the corporate structure is set up,

1112
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: those things that we feel we have to buy into,

1113
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 2: White people culturally beyond corporate America already do those things.

1114
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: So it's not so the muscle for them is not

1115
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: one that they're constantly flexing as much as it's like, well, yeah,

1116
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: this is natural, this is what it is. And you know,

1117
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 2: I've seen it from my own eyes of like certain things,

1118
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: like golf is a good one. Golf is a thing

1119
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: that white people do, many white people do, but you know,

1120
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: many white people do because you get classed out, you

1121
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 2: get culturally put out, racialized out, all these different ways

1122
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: that people are pushed away from golf. But golf for

1123
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: white men is pretty much a thing that is a

1124
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 2: pastime and a hobby that they pick up and do well.

1125
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: When you see people go, yeah, well this is a

1126
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 2: takes place on the golf course or something. Who are

1127
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 2: you immediately pushing out women, black and brown people, you know,

1128
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 2: like it's immediately like, oh, you're not a white man,

1129
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: then this isn't for you. But it's without saying that.

1130
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 2: They don't have to say that. You know, you don't

1131
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 2: have many corporations that go well, best busines. This happens

1132
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 2: on the basketball court, right, that's not a thing that

1133
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 2: people say. So it's interesting the way that they push

1134
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: people out without you know, telling you right, right.

1135
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 4: And also you know, I think for me, when you

1136
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 4: actually view the structure and how it's set up, I

1137
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 4: think a lot of times there are a lot of

1138
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 4: companies are made when they have black and brown people

1139
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 4: at the same position for you know, ten, fifteen, twenty years,

1140
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 4: and they go, well, we keep asking us, she's very

1141
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 4: efficient at the job they do, and we keep asking

1142
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 4: them to go and they keep declining us. It's like

1143
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 4: it's like nothing in them says that maybe something needs

1144
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 4: to change in order to get this person.

1145
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: To actually want to do it. You know, they just go, oh,

1146
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 3: they just like and enjoy the job. You know, I've

1147
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: never really understood that. Like it's baffling to me.

1148
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: It's baffling to me too, you know, Okay, hold on,

1149
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: it's deaflent to me too. I think that like there's

1150
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: this I want to go back to something you said

1151
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: earlier though about like the people that they pick. That's

1152
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: facts like they pick. So it happens at every level.

1153
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: I just think it just kind of happened at like

1154
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: the lower staff level. But like as I got into consulting,

1155
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: I would meet like so the senior most people are

1156
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: called managing directors or partners, right, and so there's like

1157
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: almost in consulting there's almost like no black partners, Okay,

1158
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: like they are like, I don't know, like an unicorn

1159
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: with gold teeth. It's like very rare. So anyway, in

1160
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: those positions of the leadership. Every now and then you'll

1161
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: see like a black person or a brown person and

1162
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: you have a conversation with them, it's like, okay, they

1163
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: might as well just I get it now, I get

1164
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: why they picked you. And then and then like if

1165
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: you ever, like I've had the blessing of running into

1166
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: like black people in senior positions who actually care. Yeah, right,

1167
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: they actually care, But they're never the ones who are

1168
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: gonna be picked because they the leadership knows, like this

1169
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: person's way too conscious to be in this position, because

1170
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: I actually gonna upset the apple cart. The other thing,

1171
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: the word you use, Rod was languishing. I'm gonna tell

1172
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: the time that came to me was golden handcuffs. Right,

1173
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: Like the idea of like, you get in these positions

1174
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: and they give you the money, they give you the access,

1175
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: they give you the bread, they give you a brand.

1176
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: They might even help you, like maybe write a book.

1177
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: Right when you talk about those executive levels, they do

1178
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. Right, They don't give you the power,

1179
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: but they give you all these other things. Sideher to

1180
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: your point, they give you all these other things, and

1181
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: it's like, dang, okay, if I was to leave. I

1182
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: should leave because this isn't aligned with my character, my principles,

1183
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: my integrity. But I'm gonna go ahead and stay because

1184
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm getting all these things and how could I ever

1185
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: get all these things outside of this job?

1186
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 3: Right?

1187
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: And so many people they they they're like that and

1188
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: like that's why, like you know, straight up, like I've

1189
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: had some really transparent conversations one of them with A

1190
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: like my first black mail manager. And he called and

1191
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,479
Speaker 1: he was my first black mail He my first black

1192
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: manager who happened to be a man, and I never forget.

1193
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: The CEO called us Apes one day. He called us A.

1194
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like the plan of the Apes taken

1195
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: over out here.

1196
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 3: Wow.

1197
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: And I said, and I was just like because I

1198
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: was I was like twenty five at the time, and

1199
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm still about it, but I was extra ready to

1200
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: fight back then. So I was like talking about and

1201
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: so we talked in his office and he said, Zach,

1202
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: you know this was later he said, Zactly, you know,

1203
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: I've been in this thing for like thirty years. He's like,

1204
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this corporate game can eat away

1205
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: at your eat away at your soul, right, And so

1206
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: like he was offended by it, don't get me wrong,

1207
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: but it it didn't hit him crazy. Yeah, because he's

1208
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: so he's been, he's been. It's so he's so weathered

1209
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: from racist experiences. This guy was I'm talking, this guy

1210
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: was an executive at like fortune ten companies, and so

1211
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: he just seen some things. So yeah, it's it's tough,

1212
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: but you're right languishing just being in these positions where

1213
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: you just you kind of drift away. So that's where

1214
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm just passionate about. I think we we we have

1215
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: the right to go to our jobs and come home

1216
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: and still recognize.

1217
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 3: Who we are. Yeah.

1218
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: I think also you get that Lakey Staffield moment and

1219
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: get out sometimes with black folks, well cause you know,

1220
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: white people don't have a version of real talk really

1221
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: like uh like like we're black people kind of have

1222
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: like that moment in the elevator or whatever where it's

1223
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: just like all right and the white people.

1224
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 3: Around, what's up? Brother? How you here? Man? Is everything

1225
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 3: good in your department? You're good? Okay? Cool man? All right?

1226
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 4: I just want to be all right, gap up, all right,

1227
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 4: all right, man, Well we'll see you at uh see

1228
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 4: you at the course and then you walk the fuck

1229
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 4: out and like, and I think white people don't really

1230
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 4: have a version of that, you know when you try

1231
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 4: that ship with white folks, and also like they don't

1232
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 4: have they definitely don't have a version of it with us,

1233
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 4: Like we don't and I don't know that we want

1234
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 4: that version, right, Like I don't want to get in

1235
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 4: the elevator and they'd be like, actually make America great again.

1236
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 4: I'm like, fuck, oh, I wish I hadn't have known that,

1237
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, just just stay on, stay

1238
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 4: on corporate time. But yeah, So I do think that

1239
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 4: that's another experience that you have where black people have

1240
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 4: two types of get to know you, right Like I

1241
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 4: have the corporate get to know you where it works

1242
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 4: and it's like cool. And then if you're black, I

1243
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 4: have the secret panshake get to know you, the head

1244
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 4: nod as we like to you know that, okay okay,

1245
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 4: and you know you don't get that return head nod.

1246
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 3: You'd be like, fuck god, I don't know. I don't

1247
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 3: know about this, dude.

1248
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: It'd be tough. It'd be tough, and not to mention

1249
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: like if you walk, I mean sometimes and sometimes that

1250
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: can be awkward too, but it's funny. Like I was like, man,

1251
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: I was really awkward, but I appreciate it because it

1252
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: was such a black moment. I was, I rocked up

1253
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: to somebody and he thought I was a frap. He

1254
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: tried to grip me, and you know, I don't. I'm

1255
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: mean by me, so I didn't know, right, and so

1256
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: we kind of fund he kind of he said oh oh,

1257
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: and I said nah. He said cool, and then we

1258
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: just kept it moving. It was love. I was like,

1259
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: that was kind of like in any other situation, like

1260
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: we was at like a cookout or whatever that be.

1261
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, No, that's cool because

1262
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: like again, like just another black person. They recognized me.

1263
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: They presumed that we're on a certain level. I'm not,

1264
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: but we're still black. I appreciate you and I see

1265
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: and every time we see you, the LABELSA not right.

1266
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: It's cool.

1267
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 3: We used to have I've me and Will. Used to

1268
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 3: have my friend Will. We used to have this running joke.

1269
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 2: We worked with this black dude that reminded us so

1270
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: much of Charlie off of Blackish. But this is before

1271
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 2: Blackish even existed. But like once black existed, we saw

1272
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 2: the character. Charlie was like, Nigga, that's it. But it

1273
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: was like we had a dude who was so fucking

1274
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 2: like like how we felt like we are on this plantation,

1275
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 2: like like me and will like listen, this ain't this.

1276
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 2: We can't get too comfortable here. We can't really be

1277
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 2: ourselves here.

1278
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 3: We know we down. We go to lunch every day,

1279
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 3: we talk all the time, but at the end of

1280
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 3: the day and.

1281
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Speaker 2: If I'm in the middle of a meeting, I'm just like,

1282
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 2: let me just be quiet, or let me let me

1283
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: just say you know this in the in the corporate speak,

1284
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: so that I don't stick out too much.

1285
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 3: And then we had a dude that was.

1286
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 2: The opposite of that, Like it's like we like I

1287
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 2: remember I'd be like at the urin or a dude

1288
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: just like use the urinal next to me, like he

1289
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 2: was because he was another black dude and he was

1290
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 2: just so happy to see other black people.

1291
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 3: But he's like, oh, what's up, brother man? How we

1292
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 3: doing up here? I'm like, hey, man, can you just

1293
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 3: take it down like three notches?

1294
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: I'm cool, you know what I'm saying, Like like you're

1295
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 2: trying to have elevator conversation outside the elevator and it's.

1296
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 3: Sticking out, you know what I mean.

1297
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to feel like and like it's funny

1298
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: because in that instance, it's like am I the coon?

1299
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 3: Am I the one? Did I just become a coon?

1300
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 3: Where it's like, you know, it's like you in the

1301
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 3: break room and he come in like what's up, nigga?

1302
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 3: You're like, it's like, what are you doing? Malcolm? Nigga

1303
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 3: in the fire.

1304
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: And it's funny too because they did lay them off.

1305
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 2: It felt a lot like that Insecurencies and where Molly

1306
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: worked with that black girl and she tried to tried

1307
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: to warn her.

1308
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 4: Then they ended up letting their go, and it's like

1309
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 4: you do have that moment of like I try to

1310
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 4: tell you, but also like am I coon? Because I

1311
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 4: support your freedom, brother, but I just you just can't

1312
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 4: be up in calling people niggas gonna.

1313
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 3: Get you fired?

1314
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: Now call it now. So that's like they once. So

1315
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, we talk about cod switching, like I try

1316
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: not to co switch as much anymore. Like I want

1317
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: to talk is how I talk. The one thing I

1318
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: tried not to say too much is nigga at work.

1319
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's the one thing and say you gotta

1320
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: might want to chill on that. But you know, we

1321
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: all have different levels man of like just respectability and

1322
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: what is acceptable in different spaces. I think it's about,

1323
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, just being at peaceful whatever yours is right

1324
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: and like and being okay right with the fact that like, man,

1325
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm come, I'm gonna come up here and I'm I'm

1326
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: gonna be meting out. It's not I would say too though,

1327
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: like that those are rare, right, I don't know that's

1328
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: why it stays out. Like when he was so funny.

1329
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 2: It's like when he was carrying his box of stuff

1330
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 2: out to his car, Me and Will was just Me

1331
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 2: and Will was just looking out the window, standing next

1332
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 2: to each other, like on.

1333
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: The window on the pane.

1334
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 3: It was like, I said, you know what, he was free.

1335
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: Though, and it was like he was free he was.

1336
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 3: It was like it was like, yeah, that was a free.

1337
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: Brother, because I've never felt that free around white folks

1338
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 2: to be he was like on some other ship.

1339
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 3: Like it was like like we come in a corporate meeting,

1340
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 3: you know, like me and.

1341
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 2: Will know each other, so everybody knows what big friends

1342
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 2: play basketball all the time all the ship.

1343
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 3: We coming to meeting.

1344
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 2: Will's in the meeting, you know, I might give him

1345
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: the head nod try like I forget this dude's name now,

1346
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: but like Malcolm whatever.

1347
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 3: He would be on some like or something. I'm like, brother,

1348
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 3: these folks don't what like like now I care?

1349
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:03,919
Speaker 1: I felt.

1350
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 3: I felt. I felt like every like y'all got it

1351
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 3: just to me.

1352
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 4: I felt like every slave narrative where they trying to

1353
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 4: escape and that one dude that comes along that they

1354
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 4: like this nigga ain't gonna make it comes you know.

1355
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 3: What I mean. It's like we were going to the north,

1356
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 3: now be quiet, and it's like, hey, y'all, it's me.

1357
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 4: And it's like they got a whole bunch of like

1358
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 4: pots and pants and ships like where we going.

1359
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,439
Speaker 3: We's escaping. Like that's how it felt.

1360
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 4: Well.

1361
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 3: I was like, man, you keep going for this down

1362
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 3: we can't. These motherfuckers can't know how black we is.

1363
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 3: Like it was sad.

1364
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's really funny. I think I think

1365
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: I think it's that's true though. And you know what's

1366
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: crazy about it is white folks like are so uncomfortable

1367
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: with blackness. Is like you could do like thirty percent

1368
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: of that and they still would be uncomfortable, right, like right,

1369
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: so he'd be like, what's up, bro, how you doing?

1370
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: It's been a minute?

1371
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 2: Right, It's like a fine it's a fine line, right

1372
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: because there's the like because like because there is like

1373
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 2: to me, the for lack of a better term, like

1374
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 2: the coon of like like I go, hey, man, what's

1375
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: up brother?

1376
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 4: And they go, I don't see any brothers around here.

1377
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 4: You know, You're like, damn it, what fucking stuff surveillance

1378
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 4: going on with I mean you Mike with your lives

1379
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 4: two times?

1380
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 3: Right, So it's a fine line. Like obviously I would

1381
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 3: never do some ship like that.

1382
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: But then there's also just like you know, uh shouting

1383
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 2: me out like I'm coming on stage at Death at

1384
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: Death Comedy Jam.

1385
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: It's right, yeah, well you're just like brother, I don't

1386
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: now see you don't see me in like five minutes. Man,

1387
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: we got we got at least more hours, like you gotta.

1388
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, brother, I just we can't. Really every

1389
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 4: time I come in the break round, we're doing this, yeah, yes, yes,

1390
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 4: I feel it's almost like you have to find that

1391
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 4: that balance. And that's why for a lot of you know,

1392
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 4: black and brown people, they talk like that at lunch

1393
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 4: you're on break or whatever, like you don't get that

1394
01:06:58,800 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 4: talk around.

1395
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 2: I've seen that day after he got fired. I've seen

1396
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 2: that dude that like Walmart one day or Target or

1397
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 2: some shit. And uh, we had like a conversation and

1398
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 2: I was just like chilling, Like it was just like, hey, man,

1399
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 2: how you doing everything?

1400
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: Cool?

1401
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 2: And the good thing for him was he never had

1402
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: to change code switch at Also, I was finally able to.

1403
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 3: Be like, well, shit, we ain't targeting now, what's some

1404
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 3: nigga shit?

1405
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 4: No?

1406
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 3: Man, man, you know I'm cracking stripping at the job.

1407
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 4: It was like we could like I can't talk like

1408
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 4: that there, but absolutely that you are my inner monologue,

1409
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

1410
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 3: What's some of your favorite interviews you've been able to do?

1411
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: Oh man, what a good question. Shoot you know what, man,

1412
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: I had One of my favorite interviews was probably, uh,

1413
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: the one that I had with Howard Bryant, So I

1414
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: had them on twice, Howard Brian ESPN. We were talking

1415
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: about and what I like about how Brian is and

1416
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: this and this might somehow turn into a Kwame Brown conversation.

1417
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: Maybe not. I don't know. I don't want Nick kill

1418
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: me or do anything or say anything about me. In fact,

1419
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: edit this soup, I didn't say nothing about around.

1420
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1421
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm good respect to call me brown. I love what

1422
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 1: you're doing. But nah, Howard Bryant keeps it real, right, So,

1423
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: like I talked to him, and I talked him about ESPN.

1424
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: I was talking about like I was talking to him

1425
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: about why why why stephen A. Smith was banging on

1426
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick so hard, and Howard just went there. He

1427
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: just like he was like, oh, you know stephen A.

1428
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: Like he was like he was just having a frank

1429
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: conversation about like how these systems work and how white

1430
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: supremacy functions to destroy black people. And I was just

1431
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 1: like I was just so taken aback because we had

1432
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 1: and we had it twice because the first time, the

1433
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: first time we had it, I was talking to him

1434
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: about about like Kaepernick and the and just like what

1435
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: was that journey like at ESPN because he was like

1436
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: the one voice, the one black voice on ESPN at

1437
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,759
Speaker 1: the time who was like really challenging the major narrative.

1438
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: And I was trying to figure out just how does

1439
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: that work? Like like how like how were you able

1440
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: to even say all of that on your job, when

1441
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 1: your job was the main group whatever. So that was dope.

1442
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: And then and then how we're Brian again because I

1443
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: want to say, this was like right around the election season,

1444
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: and he was just like going in. He was going

1445
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 1: in about trump Ism, about Jamaga, talking about how he

1446
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 1: was talking about the protests, how corporate America is a

1447
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: bunch of bullshit. So like I was just really like

1448
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: refreshed at that conversation. And then you know, like the

1449
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: other conversation I think that I really really enjoyed was

1450
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: with Cause and we have over like four hundred these John,

1451
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: So I no offense to anybody that didn't. I don't name.

1452
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with Ellen McGirt. Ellen McGirt is

1453
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: a senior editor at Fortune magazine, and so she was

1454
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: like talking about just so she operates in this space

1455
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,600
Speaker 1: where she interviews executives and she does diversity inclusion, but

1456
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: she does it at Fortune magazine, and so I was like, yo,

1457
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: like how authentic is this really and what does it

1458
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: look like? Garing to your point earlier about like the

1459
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: balance right, because you can't be as frank whatever is

1460
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: you want to be. What does it really mean for

1461
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: you to like do this, like what kind of power

1462
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: do you hope? The last person I'll say shout out

1463
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 1: is to Goddess Rivera, who's the global director of Culture

1464
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: and Community at Twitter. We were talking about like just

1465
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: her work, and I was just I think I was

1466
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: just so taken aback that we were to get her

1467
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: on the show because she is somebody that's doing like

1468
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: dope work. Like like she she pulled me in. I

1469
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: want to say, y'all was in it right with the

1470
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: one with like Jack it was like the big like

1471
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: Twitter influencers thing. Yeah, and that's where I was like,

1472
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, and I was like, I was saying, she

1473
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: really put this thing together, got us the merge and

1474
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: the food, and like for me, like I'm new to

1475
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: this space, and I know, Roy, you make jokes and

1476
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: can y'all make like about like the blue check Black

1477
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: Twitter group, but like that's a real thing, Like Roy,

1478
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: you're not you're not You're like you're like part of

1479
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: the people. But there is like a certain level of

1480
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: elitism in this space. And so like the fact that

1481
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,959
Speaker 1: she was opening it up and making it flat and accessible,

1482
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, those are those are but there's a lot more,

1483
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: but those.

1484
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 3: Are like my one.

1485
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 2: And for the record, I'm not part of the people.

1486
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm part of blue check brunch black people.

1487
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 3: Like I don't.

1488
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 4: I don't like, I don't really get down with these

1489
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 4: regular blacks, these not you know, the non checkias is

1490
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 4: what I call them, probably you know, because.

1491
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: It's like, somebody was in your mentions talking crazy to

1492
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:20,560
Speaker 1: you about you having a check and I was like,

1493
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:21,600
Speaker 1: ro it's not even like that.

1494
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, people do that sometimes whenever they don't like an

1495
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 2: opinion you have. What's funny is if that happened recently,

1496
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 2: I didn't even see it because I have my.

1497
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,839
Speaker 4: He filtered down and he'd be surprised with something breakthrough,

1498
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 4: like oh you made it through.

1499
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1500
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 2: Every once in a while somebody that just got some

1501
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 2: ship to talk and make it through. And it's mostly

1502
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 2: just jokes for me, but yes, but yeah, it's funny

1503
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 2: how much that check shit bothers people, because like I like,

1504
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 2: I'm at the point where I'm like, if it bothers you,

1505
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 2: I want it to bother you, but I want but

1506
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 2: if you deep down want to know, I actually don't

1507
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 2: give a fuck about it. So it's like like it's

1508
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 2: never changed anything to the positive for my life. But

1509
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:07,560
Speaker 2: it's really if somebody. It's only the only time it

1510
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 2: really comes up is when it makes somebody very upset

1511
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: about something.

1512
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 3: And you know, call it petty, but I like that,

1513
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like this nigga said he

1514
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 3: don't want sugar in this gritch you blue check. I'm like,

1515
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 3: all right, if that's gonna make it, if it make

1516
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 3: if it really make it hurt good.

1517
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 4: But not not.

1518
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 3: Godess is cool as shit though, And uh yeah, that's

1519
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 3: that's dope.

1520
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 4: Man.

1521
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 3: You've been able to interview that many people and stuff.

1522
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 3: Are there people you have on your like dream interview list?

1523
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: Yo, So I'm gonna keep it the being with you.

1524
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: I've been trying to get Bomani Jones on the Living

1525
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: Corporate podcast for like two years.

1526
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 4: Yeah he's hard, he's hard, depending constantly doing some ship bruh.

1527
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: I've been trying to get this dude on here man,

1528
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: and shout out to Lance Becau, Lance the one who

1529
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: connected us, right, because yeah, yeah, shout out to Lance.

1530
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: But but yeah, you know, trying to get him that

1531
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: he's definitely a person like and then I got, you know,

1532
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: I got like everybody wants to, of course, who wouldn't

1533
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 1: want to interview Barack Obama? Michelle Obama like, you know

1534
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, But I think, like, you know, a

1535
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: little slightly more close to the earth. You know, there's

1536
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: a couple of a couple of professional athletes. I like

1537
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: to interview. I like to interview some own bios. I

1538
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: like to interview. I like to interview dog gone man,

1539
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,919
Speaker 1: Why is it? Why is it coming up? Blank? She's beautiful.

1540
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: She looked like Gucci Mane. At the same time, she

1541
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: made she made insecure.

1542
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 3: Made it.

1543
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: I want to interview. She like, there wasn't like there

1544
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:41,839
Speaker 1: wasn't like a running thing which they were making comparisons,

1545
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: you know what.

1546
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 3: Maybe they were I think a joke or something.

1547
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, this is not a dismal something. No,

1548
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: it's the people saying yo, no no, I wasn't no, no, no,

1549
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: this is like a thing she said on her Twitter.

1550
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: Don't get shot. No, I'm not trying to get shot.

1551
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. Point anyway, point is a beautiful smile,

1552
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: like a beautiful woman. I want to interview. Ring that's

1553
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 1: somebody want to interview, and then the other person for

1554
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: the like honestly, just for the chaos. I want to

1555
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,520
Speaker 1: interview uh Joe Budden.

1556
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 3: Wow for the you really want the chaos on that?

1557
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's on my all time list of people I

1558
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 2: don't want to interview because.

1559
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,799
Speaker 1: It's just like, let's let's talk. Let's talk about it, right.

1560
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 4: I don't want to smoke, you know what I mean,

1561
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 4: just I don't feel like it's a.

1562
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: Lot of it's a lot of it is a lot

1563
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 1: of baggage and you know what probably before everything, right,

1564
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: But it's like yeah, but because straight up though, there's like,

1565
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: like I said at the top of the interview, like

1566
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: there is like a certain thing for me anyway around

1567
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 1: like podcast royalty, like who are the black podcasters who

1568
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: are like really creating the content?

1569
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 4: Right?

1570
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: And somebody said violence more violence me.

1571
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean look, I'm not I'm not knocking you.

1572
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 4: I'm just saying me personally dreams like like I've made

1573
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 4: my I've picked my picked out like who we have

1574
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 4: on the show and stuff very specifically, cause it's just like, dude,

1575
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 4: I want to deal with the backlash when this nigga

1576
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 4: does the thing that they gonna y'all know they gonna

1577
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 4: have had that and then people hit you up, you

1578
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 4: gave them a platform, because you know that's when it

1579
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 4: changes from like you had them on your show to

1580
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 4: you gave him a platform.

1581
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, we didn't even talk about all

1582
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 3: that you knew, like right right?

1583
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: People, So people hit me up, so like, yo, shout out,

1584
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: I love her work. Shout out to Timnies to Jones,

1585
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: like I had her on. I got so many one

1586
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: star reviews off off of that, I was like, why

1587
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: are y'all so? Why are y'all so mad? Why are

1588
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 1: y'all so upset? So that has happened and that's a thing.

1589
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: So but yeah, man, you know, it's a short list.

1590
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: I think for me, like to your question or like

1591
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: who am I targeting? I think the reason why I'm

1592
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 1: even kind of like thinking about it in real time

1593
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: is because I'm not necessarily attracted to like the names

1594
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 1: as much as it's about like, yo, like who's out

1595
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: here doing the work and what's the kind of conversation

1596
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: we can have? Right? Like we can have dope conversations

1597
01:15:58,040 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: and you're really making an impact, and I think we

1598
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,759
Speaker 1: have an authentic dialogue. It can kind of be whoever,

1599
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

1600
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, the topics is more important than the names.

1601
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 1: I think.

1602
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 3: Also, if you concentrate on the names, you miss out

1603
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 3: on so many.

1604
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 2: Good conversations and stuff, especially if it's somebody that doesn't

1605
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 2: know what you do, doesn't respect what you do, doesn't

1606
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,639
Speaker 2: understand what you do. It's like, sure you had them

1607
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: on your show, but they don't get it, you know

1608
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 2: what I mean. Or you have somebody on the show

1609
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 2: and it's just like a version of themselves.

1610
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 3: That's boring. And Bomani was talking about this on his

1611
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 3: own show where.

1612
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 2: He's like, people like to hear me talk to people

1613
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 2: that I know more than they care about me, getting like, look,

1614
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 2: I had this famous rapper on They're like, yeah, nobody's

1615
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 2: gonna listen to that or not as many people will

1616
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 2: listen to that, But if you have a Foxworth on

1617
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 2: on Fridays, will listen to that because we know that

1618
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 2: y'all get.

1619
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: Down like that in y'all cool chemistry.

1620
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the same thing happens with this show.

1621
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 2: We have guests and times we'd be like this is

1622
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 2: gonna be and it's like, no, that shit gets the same,

1623
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 2: if not less downloads. And then it'll be some random

1624
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 2: episode when.

1625
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 3: Me and Kim talking about bullshit, and we talked.

1626
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 2: For like two hours, right where you like, this is

1627
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 2: a long ass episode that's talking about kind of nothing,

1628
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 2: and then that one is like, oh, look at all

1629
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 2: these thousands of downloads, and I'm like, I don't know

1630
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 2: what the fuck people want to hear.

1631
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: It's like some people. But sometimes it's like when you

1632
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: have people on your thing, because I really resonate with

1633
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,560
Speaker 1: that man. And so because there's people I've had on

1634
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: that I thought were gonna be dope, but they kind

1635
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 1: of bring like their media self, right, so they come

1636
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: with like very like you know, tight answers, like they're

1637
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: not gonna will they're not willing to mess up or

1638
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 1: make a mistake, so they're gonna and so the conversation

1639
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 1: is boring. And the one thing is like your audience,

1640
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 1: as y'all know. I know y'all know, it's like they're

1641
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: gonna let you know when they feel it is real

1642
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: or not right, and so it's one hundred percent like

1643
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like, man, we just had We've had conversations

1644
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 1: where it's like it's just me talking about you know.

1645
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 1: A year after George Floyd, there's been some articles come

1646
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 1: up about how these corporations not doing nothing. So I

1647
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: just got on there and I just talked about that.

1648
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 1: I didn't have a guess, right, and then numbers went crazy, right,

1649
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: Whereas then I've had like, you know, I don't know,

1650
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: like the chief diversity officer of such and such, right,

1651
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: And I thought it was a good conversation, and yeah,

1652
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: cam be like be the same, if not a little

1653
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 1: bit under, you know.

1654
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I can't tell like cause to me, the

1655
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 4: other thing is we don't for personally, we don't do

1656
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 4: no shitty interviews and we don't have any guests that

1657
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:32,879
Speaker 4: I think are not interested.

1658
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 3: So it's always, you know, it's just you just randomly

1659
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 3: never know.

1660
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 2: It's just I think the mindset a lot of people

1661
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 2: have is get these big names on, it's like you

1662
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 2: don't know, you know. Sometimes people are like I didn't

1663
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 2: want to hear, or I don't care, or you know,

1664
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck.

1665
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 3: And now I'm like, when you missed out on a

1666
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 3: good episode. Whatever.

1667
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 2: I wait for y'all to be talking about that time

1668
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 2: y'all went to Wendy's and the motherfuckers didn't want to

1669
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 2: take our order.

1670
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 4: Oh yes, lord, we talked about that tomorrow.

1671
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 2: That shit was a yeah, so well that'sn't I mean,

1672
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,719
Speaker 2: it kind of is a relation to the job market.

1673
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 2: We did go to Wendy's because listen, I was in

1674
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 2: the house watching the NFL NBA playoffs, the Dallas Mavericks

1675
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 2: against the Clippers, and I was I was satisfied.

1676
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 3: Okay, I was happy.

1677
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 1: I was. I was.

1678
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm getting for the night and I'm good.

1679
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 2: Karen deicides, no, she wants to go get some food

1680
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 2: to eat. And I'm like, this is Charlotte, North Carolina.

1681
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 2: Everything's either closed or it's fast food, okay. And she

1682
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 2: was like, okay, well I want to get some fast food.

1683
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 2: And I'm like, and I had told her this a

1684
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 2: couple of days before when we were driving around. I

1685
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 2: was like, look at all these fast food lines.

1686
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 4: Yes, all the drive throughs are like ridiculous now, and

1687
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 4: we were just musing about why they might be or whatever,

1688
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 4: and Karen deicides, we need to go.

1689
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 2: We need to go get in them lines. And I'm like,

1690
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to wait an hour for McDonald's, you know.

1691
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 2: But okay, but I love my wife, so what am

1692
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 2: I So what am I supposed to do?

1693
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 3: I didn't know that at the time. So I get

1694
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 3: up at ten.

1695
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 2: Thirty, eleven o'clock whatever the fuck it is, and we're

1696
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 2: now driving across Charlotte looking for drive throughs that are

1697
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 2: opened that you know whatever. I'm trying to find one

1698
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 2: that doesn't have a line wrapped around the box.

1699
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 4: We thought it was gonna be a quick but we

1700
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,560
Speaker 4: were Me and Roger came to the conclusion that with

1701
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 4: Uber Eats and all this shit, like, because a lot

1702
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 4: of restaurants places don't allow you to go in everybody's

1703
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 4: good drive through now the regulass people and the people

1704
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:37,640
Speaker 4: that using the grub Hub and all that shit, and

1705
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 4: they make them line long as shit.

1706
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 3: So we find a Wendy's that had literally nobody in

1707
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 3: line but one car. Nobody.

1708
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 1: Oh, and I'm like a blessing. I'm like, it's a miracle, right, yeah,

1709
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: that's a miracle.

1710
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 4: So we get to the Wendy's and the car in

1711
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 4: front of us go pulls around and we sit there,

1712
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 4: and we sit there, and we sit there, and we

1713
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 4: sit there. No, we sit there smooth five minutes, five

1714
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 4: ten minutes, and at the Menu park and it was

1715
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 4: quiet and it was no like welcome to Windys.

1716
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 3: No acknowledgement, right, And so.

1717
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 4: About ten minutes in, you know, because I'm like, I'm

1718
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 4: a very patient person and I don't get mad at

1719
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 4: at food service workers.

1720
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 3: I really don't care what you do.

1721
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 2: You know, it's late night unless you call me some

1722
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 2: the N word or some ship like, I'd rather leave

1723
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 2: let it ride. So I wait till for like ten

1724
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 2: minutes or so, and finally a car pulls up behind us,

1725
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I guess I gotta say something because

1726
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 2: now people are the line's gonna get long, and so

1727
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 2: I just, you know, I go, you know, you do

1728
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 2: the cough thing that was really gracious to you, right,

1729
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 2: Maybe they didn't here, maybe they didn't hear the thing beep.

1730
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 2: I've worked with fast food. Sometimes you do miss it. Yeah,

1731
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 2: sometimes nothing. And of course when I worked, we didn't

1732
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 2: really have cameras back there, but now they y'all do, so,

1733
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 2: you know, yes, so they see you.

1734
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 3: So I'm like okay.

1735
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 2: And then finally, like first I go wait, wait, like

1736
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 2: another minute, and then I go hello. And the second

1737
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 2: I said hello, it is like it was like one minute.

1738
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: Hold on.

1739
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 2: With that attitude, I was like, okay, all right, and

1740
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 2: so I'm if it was just me by myself. I

1741
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 2: probably just pull off right then, but I'm here with Karen.

1742
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 2: And Karen is the person that you know, wanted to

1743
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 2: go on this adventure.

1744
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 3: This late, this late night boring. Yeah, she's the one

1745
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 3: I want to do this in the first place.

1746
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:40,560
Speaker 2: And so that's why I didn't pull off, because I

1747
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 2: would have gave a funk about Wendy's at that moment.

1748
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 2: But uh so I waited that whatever time, and another

1749
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 2: like five minutes passes or some shit.

1750
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 4: A car behind us roll off.

1751
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 3: Eventually, Yeah, the car behind us, and then they're like,

1752
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 3: what you want? Yeah. I looked at Roderick and I

1753
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 3: was like.

1754
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,640
Speaker 2: Nigga, and I looked at I looked at Karen, and

1755
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 2: she goes number one, and I said, can I get

1756
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 2: a number one combo?

1757
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 3: And as soon as I said one minute yes, as soon.

1758
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 4: As Roger was about the place the order, he says, well,

1759
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 4: and Mark, there's nothing but one fucking person in front

1760
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 4: of us.

1761
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 3: Who hadn't got their food yet. I ain't got their food.

1762
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 3: So the whole time we've been waiting this.

1763
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 2: Ten this ten or fifteen minutes we've been waiting there,

1764
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 2: they're also waiting at but they're at the window. And

1765
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 2: it was at that point that I was like, and

1766
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 2: it all makes sense. The reason they don't have a

1767
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 2: line is because they've been doing this all day to

1768
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 2: every Yes, so you won't ever have a line because

1769
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 2: people just keep pulling off and then the next one

1770
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 2: pulls off, you refuse.

1771
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 3: To serve them. And look, I don't know what's going

1772
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 3: on in there. They could be understaffed, probably two people.

1773
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 4: One person back there frying and flipping burgers, the other

1774
01:23:57,800 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 4: person doing it.

1775
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 3: Oh, you might have one manager to do everything and

1776
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 3: they're like you fuck it. Obviously probably underpaid. Yeah, all

1777
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 3: that ship. So I just drove We just drove off

1778
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 3: and had to get something else to eat.

1779
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was thinking to myself like, of course

1780
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 2: that's that wasn't oasis in the desert of places that

1781
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 2: have twenty cars in line right now?

1782
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 3: I was like, just how do you how do you

1783
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 3: keep from having how do you keep from having ten

1784
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 3: cars in line? Now?

1785
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 2: We'll everybody, Yeah, well that Wendy's probably end up having

1786
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 2: to close down if that's what they keep doing. Probably,

1787
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,560
Speaker 2: you know, they had a nigga that didn't feel like

1788
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 2: working that night or was overwork. That there's no way

1789
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 2: that's a sustainable business. No way that corporate, there's no

1790
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 2: way corporate won't notice that the Wendy's up the street

1791
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 2: with twenty cars around it is making fucking book of dollars.

1792
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 3: And y'all made five sales for the dolls.

1793
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, like for the whole night at three am.

1794
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 3: The fuck is this? But yeah, it was.

1795
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 2: It was like it was so funny because I was

1796
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 2: just like I could be watching Luca give the clippers

1797
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 2: buckets right now.

1798
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 1: The things you do for the people you love, right,

1799
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's love. Like I never forget yo talking

1800
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 1: about random stories. Man, My wife and I was in

1801
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 1: New York and you know, so Candace shout out to candas,

1802
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 1: I am my daughter Emory. Actually she's fourteen months old anyway,

1803
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: So I remember before we were before we were going

1804
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: to New York. This was like this was like our

1805
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 1: first honey, oh wait, hold.

1806
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 3: On second, gotta Joe.

1807
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 2: It's basically in the chat said that's why Arvy's is

1808
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 2: always available.

1809
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:34,640
Speaker 3: Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold the hell up.

1810
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:40,759
Speaker 4: Arby's was available, y'all. Arvy's was available. Now this woman

1811
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 4: who is set up here and lit to y'all, a

1812
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 4: lot of y'all. She has told you, and.

1813
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 3: I quote love Arby's.

1814
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 4: She has told you many a motherfucking time in protest

1815
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 4: to me as I am railling on how shitty arby is.

1816
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 3: She has told y'all and lie to your goddamn faces.

1817
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 3: And y'all made me feel bad while you got to

1818
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 3: pick on Karen. Why you got to do this to Karen? Well,

1819
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 3: she's loved Arbys? Did she love it?

1820
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 1: Ron?

1821
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 4: I just leave it alone? And I said, she doesn't

1822
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 4: love Arby's, and y'all are like, she's just a black woman.

1823
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 4: We need to support her. I was like, Nigga, she

1824
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 4: is lying to your mother fucking face.

1825
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 2: And when we when we were when we got to

1826
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 2: when we were driving around, there was one there was

1827
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 2: an Arby's and guess what, Like all Arvey's, it didn't

1828
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 2: have a line.

1829
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 3: And I said, well, well, here we go.

1830
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 4: And I never eat Arby's. But I said, you know what,

1831
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 4: for the love of my life, you apparently is starving

1832
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 4: at fucking eleven o'clock at night on Saturday. I said, well,

1833
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 4: for the for her, of course, I will fucking go

1834
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,600
Speaker 4: to the Arby's and get whatever you want. All the

1835
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 4: roast beef in the meat and we fucking and when

1836
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 4: I said, okay, well here's an Arvy, She's like.

1837
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 3: I don't want no Arby's. Oh you don't want no army.

1838
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 4: You love it, but you don't want nothing you like

1839
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 4: I said, I went Arby's home. Every time that this

1840
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 4: ship comes up on the show, and you fucking side

1841
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 4: with Evie E and these motherfuckers out here and oh yes, wow,

1842
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 4: I look well he I love all this too.

1843
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 3: Well, you didn't love it that night. Love should have

1844
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 3: brought your ass home that night. And it didn't happen. No,

1845
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 3: it did not.

1846
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 4: I end up getting some and they had the nerveive

1847
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 4: because it too, was like, well, maybe we should just

1848
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 4: go home.

1849
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 3: I'm like yes, because she was trying to be like, oh,

1850
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 3: you must have an attitude, so I guess we should

1851
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 3: just go home. My bad. I'm like, Nigga, is your bad?

1852
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 3: The answer was right there. This is God sitting in

1853
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,560
Speaker 3: the fucking wrath. When you're on the roof and you

1854
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 3: be like, God will save me.

1855
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 1: That God I saved you.

1856
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 4: He sent you the helicopter, he sent you the boat,

1857
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 4: he sent you a raft, and you ignored it all

1858
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:08,599
Speaker 4: because you wanted to get digitally beamed up to another location.

1859
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 1: It's too salty, man, and late at night.

1860
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 2: But look at but you see what's happening right here.

1861
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 2: You can't eat no armys, right you saying it?

1862
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 1: Correct?

1863
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 3: You know what you're not saying. I love army.

1864
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 1: You know what happens though. That's a plight. That's the

1865
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: plight of that's the plight of spouses.

1866
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 4: Man.

1867
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: The things that they say. And I'm not not bagging

1868
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:36,879
Speaker 1: on camp. I'm talking about my own journey.

1869
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:38,680
Speaker 3: Was talking about it. I'm bagging on car because I

1870
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 3: tell these people.

1871
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 1: I told you, I.

1872
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 3: Told people when they had it, and they made me

1873
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:48,480
Speaker 3: back everything. It's not true. They writing in rod she loves.

1874
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 4: Of Mammy, nigga, I bought the ad of Mammy. Guess

1875
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 4: what it did, sat on the table because she didn't

1876
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 4: eat none of it. Because she lies to people about

1877
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 4: loving food that she don't love. And it's and you

1878
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,560
Speaker 4: know who's the real victim, me Because I'm sending the

1879
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 4: motherfucking money, I'm making the motherfucking time, I'm giving her

1880
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,719
Speaker 4: the benefit of the doubt, and I'm sick of it. Y'all.

1881
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 3: You just won't be Burger's or some ship. Every time.

1882
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, go ahead with your point, man.

1883
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, just I emphasized with you. I'm reaching

1884
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: through the screen and I'm touching your shoulder if I

1885
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 1: appreciate it, BROI but I never forget man. We was

1886
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: headed to New York and like the trip up to

1887
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 1: New York, this was like early and I canon, I've

1888
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 1: been married for eight years. This was like, this was

1889
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 1: our first trip after we got married. She was like,

1890
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna do Time Square. We're gonna do Time Square

1891
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 1: for New Year's Eve. We're gonna do it. We're gonna

1892
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 1: do it. We're gonna do it. And I was like cool.

1893
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 1: And so I'm having a can see yes. So I'm

1894
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 1: over here like trying to wrap myself up, like I

1895
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 1: really gonna be in Times Square was just a lot

1896
01:29:53,040 --> 01:30:00,599
Speaker 1: of people. So we get there at eleven a because

1897
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 1: you have to get early because they block you in. Yeah.

1898
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 1: For those who don't know, like Tom Square, Yeah yeah,

1899
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 1: people were in diaper Cipher said, people in diapers. Facts.

1900
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:10,680
Speaker 1: So you got to get to. The earlier you get there,

1901
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 1: the closer you can be to the main stage. When

1902
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 1: they're doing on ABC, NBC whatever. So we got there

1903
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: relatively early, so we were only a block away from

1904
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 1: where all the cameras were. So were in that block. Man,

1905
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: and it's cold. It's like, you know, six degrees outside.

1906
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: I think, boy, like an hour seven, here come canvas. Hey,

1907
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: we can just go go back to the hotel. I said, nah,

1908
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: what begged me to be here? Rock? Karen? Look at me,

1909
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 1: Look at me. My face is pale, my lips are blue.

1910
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: And I said, out here now, Rod, So, because we talked,

1911
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to commiserate. I'm trying to empathize with you

1912
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: as the husband. What do you what do you think?

1913
01:30:56,080 --> 01:31:01,679
Speaker 1: I said, No, said, wait, come on, we're gonna stay.

1914
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna stay. It's over. Yeah, it's over.

1915
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 3: We made I made this course of action. This is

1916
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 3: my past commitment. When you know, when we left.

1917
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 2: The house and Camp wanted something to eat, I I

1918
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 2: personally would have stayed in and made a sandwich and

1919
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:20,799
Speaker 2: mint just fine. But like after Arvey, after she turned

1920
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:25,759
Speaker 2: down the golden bridges of Arby's or whatever, she was like, well.

1921
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 3: We could just go home then, And I said, and

1922
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 3: I was going to go home.

1923
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 2: And I pulled over and I went on door dash

1924
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 2: and I was just like, fuck, this is order a

1925
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 2: burger from one of these places and go pick it up.

1926
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 2: And I did it because I loved this woman, and

1927
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 2: I don't you know, I didn't want to go home

1928
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 2: angry and be like fuck it. Nobody you could have

1929
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 2: made You could have made this sandwich. I'm like, no,

1930
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 2: I already wasted an hour my time driving around the city.

1931
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 2: Luca probably got fifty points by.

1932
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Speaker 1: Now, so fucking everybody.

1933
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so fuck it, you know what I mean.

1934
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, so you were time committed at this point.

1935
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 3: You can't opt out.

1936
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: We put in it, and so I was like nah,

1937
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 1: I was like no, because it's six o'clock. We got

1938
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 1: five hours and fifty nine minutes until this thing gonna

1939
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 1: pop off. So and we we did it. You know

1940
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I never said many people before. Yeah,

1941
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 1: we did it. And you know, I'm all the time.

1942
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean literally, my feet are almost off

1943
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 1: and I'm six, I'm almost six two. I'm like six

1944
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 1: two and a half almost low key, and my feet

1945
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 1: are almost off the ground. Like that's how many people

1946
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 1: are like on top, on side and behind me. But

1947
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 1: we did it. Yeah, I never gradulations I never do

1948
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 1: it again.

1949
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 4: We need a gold stop for that shit, because I

1950
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 4: see that shit on TV. I'm like, that don't look

1951
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 4: fun at I don't motherfucking PayPal.

1952
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 1: At the risk is sharing too much information because if

1953
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: talk about people weren't diapause, didn't wear no diaper. I

1954
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: held it. I held it for twelve hours. We tell

1955
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,560
Speaker 1: y'all went to that bathroom. I first of all, you know,

1956
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm a big dude, all right, So I was and

1957
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 1: I was running to the bathroom. I was making all

1958
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: kinds of groans. It was like, oh, because yeah, like

1959
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 1: I was in trouble. So there was a kid apparently,

1960
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 1: you know. I walked in there and there was there

1961
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 1: was a parent waiting outside. Their child was in there

1962
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 1: using the bathroom. You know, you do that with kids.

1963
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:09,720
Speaker 1: You want to give them space. So this and I

1964
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 1: don't know, now we're taking it all the way back

1965
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 1: because we're talking about black people experiences. So I don't

1966
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 1: know if it was because I'm black, it m I

1967
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 1: just because they were just being a faithful parent. They

1968
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 1: saw me groaning and running in there, and they kind

1969
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 1: of like they were trying to be cool and act

1970
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 1: like they didn't see me. I ran to the bathroom,

1971
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 1: went to the uninal, and I man, I yelled so

1972
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 1: loud when I when I used the bathroom, I was like,

1973
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 1: it was crazy that parent rushed in there, grabbed a

1974
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: child and ran about the bathroom.

1975
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 3: What you're doing in there?

1976
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 1: What you're doing in there? But my child will not

1977
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 1: be involved anytime.

1978
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 2: Anytime you take a groaning piss is like, at once

1979
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 2: the most relief on the earth, but at the same

1980
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 2: time the most embarrassing.

1981
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 1: I've never been that embarrassed. I've never been so embarrassed

1982
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:00,599
Speaker 1: to use the bathroom as a grown man. And when

1983
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 1: that parent came in there and grabbed their child, like,

1984
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a hey, let's go. It was like

1985
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 1: the I'm gonna scoop you up with two arms.

1986
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 4: I'm like a terrorist, yes, like I'm we're gonna have

1987
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 4: to pull your drows up while we walking away type

1988
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 4: of thing, like I'm just gonna scoop you up and

1989
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 4: just close you moving.

1990
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 2: On every police every police movie where they had to

1991
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 2: grab somebody that being kidnapped like that, Zache tell everybody

1992
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,799
Speaker 2: what to find you man, like living corporate everything.

1993
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. So first of all, man, just type

1994
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,640
Speaker 1: in Living Corporate, you google it, type it in L

1995
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 1: I V I n G. Living Corporate will pop up. Okay,

1996
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 1: and then if you want to go directly to our

1997
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: website Living dash Corporate, please say the dash dot com

1998
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 1: and then you know what, if you want to check

1999
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 1: me out, I'm Rev. None Wisdom on all social media platforms,

2000
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 1: so like Rev. Run Wisdom, but my last name is

2001
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:57,639
Speaker 1: none and I am my life is a preacher, So Rev.

2002
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 1: None Wisdom. I'll put it in a little chat. I'll

2003
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 1: be here.

2004
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for coming on, man, we really appreciate this.

2005
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 2: We'll definitely next time you come back, we have to

2006
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 2: do some segments and play some games and see if

2007
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:10,759
Speaker 2: we can get you in some trouble.

2008
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 1: Given.

2009
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for listening. We'll be back tomorrow.

2010
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 1: Till then.

2011
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 3: I love you. Why