1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Also media. 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 2: As we always do, we have included the sources for 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 2: this podcast in the show notes. I've also included a 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 2: link to Primroses legal aid fundraiser of people would like 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: to help out for Rose Miami and Primrose and the 6 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 2: dozens of other migrants I met at the jungle, the 7 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: goal was to get here. Some of them had friends 8 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: they wanted to stay with, but many did not. They 9 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: just wanted a chance, a chance to work and be 10 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: paid a fair wage, a chance for their kids to 11 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: have a dream and a future, a chance to sleep 12 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: safely at night. Once they got across that line, over 13 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 2: that wall, or across that river, they wanted to make 14 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: their case for asylum, to ask for help and someone 15 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: to keep them safe, to give them an opportunity to 16 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: build their lives again. But even for the very few 17 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: who made it, the risks weren't over. Within hours of 18 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 2: taking office, Trump had begun signing executive orders that would 19 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: make life for migrants on the way to the USA 20 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 2: and those already here even more difficult. To the cheers 21 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 2: of the crowd, he signed in order that kept TikTok online, 22 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 2: pardoned the people who stormed the Capitol on January sixth, 23 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, and attempted to rescind birthright citizenship from 24 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: the children of migrants. He ended CBP one and with 25 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: his sharpie ordered the building of mole walls and the 26 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 2: resulting death of more people who came here to ask 27 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: for help. Within days of Trump taking office, federal agents 28 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: from ICE, the DEA, the FBI, and other agencies had 29 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: begun a campaign if made for social media raids. In Colorado, 30 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: they raided apartment buildings, which have played a load bearing 31 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: role in right wing conspiracies about trender Ragua months before. 32 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: At universities, they grabbed young men and women off campus 33 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: for the crime for opposing genocide. People entering the country 34 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: were stopped and had the device's searched, not just for 35 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: evidence of crime, but also for evidence of mocking the 36 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: president or the vice president. Trump added various organized crime groups, 37 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: a list of foreign terrist organizations, and attempted to totally 38 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: ban asylum, including for the people fleeing those very organizations. 39 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: People who had waited a month for an appointment on 40 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: CBP one now had their appointment canceled. They were left 41 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: totally without hope, at risk, and with nowhere to go 42 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 2: for help. Trump used to border emergency declaration to justify 43 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: his proclamation and quickly followed up with more military deployments, 44 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: wall construction, and a huge increase in the funding for 45 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: state surveillance. People still crossed, but their numbers decreased if 46 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: many of them were quickly deported back to Mexico. Here's 47 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: Kurst in is it Lau promos his lawyer, explaining the 48 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: new system. 49 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: So there are no new asylum cases. In other words, 50 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 3: people who cross at the southern border are now detained, 51 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: only to be removed immediately basically or as soon as possible, 52 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: under what's called two twelve F authority. It's under the 53 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 3: Immigration and Nationality Act. Trump has used this authority, which 54 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: basically broadly says that if the President finds a certain 55 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 3: class of immigrants or the entry of immigrants would be 56 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 3: detrimental to the interests of the United States, they may, 57 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 3: by proclamation suspend all entry have said immigrants. So whereas 58 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 3: people used to get credible fear interviews or were parolled 59 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 3: into the United States to be allowed to fight an 60 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 3: asylum case, none of that is happening anymore, and people are, 61 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: if anything, only screened for what's called Convention against Torture 62 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: screenings to just determine, like, hey, are they going to 63 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: be tortured by their government or with the acquiescence of 64 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: their government if they're returned to their home country. But 65 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: even then they are not allowed to remain in the 66 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: United States or fight any relief in the United States. 67 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 3: That just means that they will be deported to a 68 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 3: third country. 69 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: For people inside the USA, the situation wasn't much better. 70 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: First as a trickle and then as a torrent, we 71 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: started to see videos of masked, unidentified men jumping out 72 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: of on marked vehicles to grab people, many of whom 73 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: were migrants, and detain them. In most cases, these were 74 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 2: federal agents from ICE and other federal agencies like the FBI, 75 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 2: the ATF, and the DEA, whose offices were detailed to 76 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: support ICE. In an increasing number of cases, they were 77 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: people imitating ICE. For migrants, many of whom had fled 78 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: totalitarian regimes where people were disappeared by the state, they 79 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: were reminder of what they'd run away from. The place 80 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: they had come to be safe started to feel like 81 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 2: the place they had to leave because it wasn't safe. 82 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: In Primrose's case, things were a bit different. When Kifton 83 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: found a motion to appear remotely, she got an extremely 84 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: unusual response. 85 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 3: In ruling on my WebEx motion, I was emailed the 86 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 3: order of the judge along with a notice that primos 87 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 3: should self deport. So judges are sending out these notices 88 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: with routine other orders in cases where the immigrant has 89 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 3: counsel is fighting their case. It's obvious they're fighting their case. Yeah, 90 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 3: So it's one of the things where you just feel 91 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: very strongly this administration's influence. 92 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: Are they obliged to do that or is that a 93 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: choice that the judges made. 94 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 3: No, not at all. It's it's okay, not at all, 95 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 3: and in fact it's completely inappropriate. The immigration bar is 96 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: taking a different approach to it. Some are filing motions 97 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: to recuse, telling the judges, hey, you need to recuse yourself. 98 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 3: You're a non neutral judge. To send this out in 99 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 3: the middle of the case is absurd. It's a due 100 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 3: process violation. They're entitled to a neutral judge. 101 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: See just one of the many areas where things are 102 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: not as they have been. The Trump administration has flouted 103 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: rules and even court orders. Migrants to a Salvador's megaprisms 104 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: that got a place where torture is routine and where 105 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: a few people have ever left. They attempted to bring 106 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 2: criminal charges against migrants to justify their actions, and eventually 107 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 2: ended up in a prisoner change with the Maduro regime. 108 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: At the same time, my daughter's government began offering quote 109 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: unquote humanitarian flights to Venezuelans and Mexico, and some even 110 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: took to navigating the Daian Gap southwards to return to Columbia, 111 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: where they thought they might have some chance at a 112 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: decent life. In the USA, a country with more guns 113 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 2: than people. Everyone seemed to be holding their breath or 114 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 2: worrying that we'd see an increase in lethal violence. But 115 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: after a few weeks, thankfully that hadn't happened. But more 116 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: and more, where ICE agents showed up, local people also 117 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 2: showed up. They called them are number of things, fascists, cowards, traitors, 118 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 2: and then people began to organize, following ICE agents around 119 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: and announcing their presence, identifying their hotels and making noise outside, 120 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: picking up neighbors kids, and getting their groceries so people 121 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: wouldn't need to expose themselves to the risk of arrest 122 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: if ICE agents were spotted people alerted their communities. It 123 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: is across the US. People began to form networks to 124 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: take care of their neighbors. Some of this came from 125 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 2: lifelong activists, but much of it did not. People even 126 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 2: began using apps normally used for suburban racism like nextdoor 127 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: and Ring to call out the presence of ICE. Raids 128 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: were reposed and ICE agents were shouted out across the country, 129 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: but they still kept going. It wasn't until June that 130 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: we saw the first mass protest. Everyone wondered if we 131 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: be in for another hot summer like twenty twenty. CBP 132 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: offices had been deployed to La to conduct a series 133 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: of loud and once again curated for Instagram braids. Border 134 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: patrols Eel Centro Sector Chief Patrol Agent Gregory Bavino became 135 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: the face of the operation even before Trump had taken office. 136 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 2: Just a day after Congress had certified the results of 137 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: the election, Baveno had sent sixty five agents six hours 138 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: north of the border to push the boundaries of what 139 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: people would accept in California, say, to a valley not 140 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: so far from Los Gatos Canyon, he led Operation Return 141 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: to Sender, accosting Latino farm workers at convenience stores and 142 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: on the way to work. Bavino claimed the operation was targeted, 143 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: but reporting from cow Matas showed CBP had no prior 144 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: records for seventy seven of the seventy eight people had arrested. Bavino, 145 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: who has bestowed the title of Premiere Sector on the 146 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: part of the border he oversees, has five agents on 147 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: a team dedicated to producing videos. 148 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: He likes to. 149 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: Praise Eisenhower, whose operation WAG often flew migrants to El 150 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: Centro before they were sent back to Mexico. The plane 151 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: which crashed in Los Gato's Canyon was headed there. Bovino 152 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: has a long history of these rates, dating back to 153 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: at least twenty ten in Las Vegas, and he is 154 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: very much the face of the new border patrol approach. 155 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: While ICE numbers are growing, CBP still has several times 156 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: more offices, and indeed some reporting suggests that ICE offices 157 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: and some offices might be replaced with CBP personnel. Border 158 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: Patrol notionly operates within one hundred miles at the border, 159 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: an area which includes all US coastline and the entire 160 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: shore of the Great Lakes, and even then this one 161 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: hundred Miles is an interpretation and not a hard legal blog. 162 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: This remint covers two thirds of the population and gives 163 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: them a widely way to infringe on the Fourth Amendment. 164 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: This has been the case for decades since the Department 165 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: of Home Land Security was founded after nine to eleven, 166 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: but mass protests against CBP has been rare. We've seen 167 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 2: it on occasion. The lesson you'd think for an agency 168 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: with such a broad remit in a country that seemed 169 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 2: so proud of the first ten amendments to the Constitution. 170 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: In La though, people weren't having it. Following a series 171 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: of violent raids, Border Patrol agents hadn't been met with 172 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 2: protests across the city. They'd responded with tear gas, projectile 173 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: weapons and threats. They'd arrested Denis wuerta leader of the 174 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: Service Employees United International, one of the largest unions in 175 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: the country, as well as dozens of other Angelinos. They'd 176 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: shot tear gas out of moving vehicles and a naunched 177 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: projectiles into the faces of reporters and bystanders alike. Seeing this, 178 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: doing what I do, I got on a train to 179 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: Los Angeles, but within being southern California, it took like 180 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: five hours. 181 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: Are they throwing or shooting? Do you get hit? 182 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 2: You're okay, I'm going to that tree on the right. Yeah. 183 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: After getting off the train in LA, and before I 184 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: met my friend Charles McBride to work of some coverage together, 185 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: I walked around el Verda Street, grabbed a coffee, and 186 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 2: spoke to some of the local folks. There were tags 187 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 2: all over the walls and windows of the buildings around 188 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: the train station, but that's always been how LA has 189 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: expressed itself. All I heard from people I met there 190 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: was support. One man expressed to me his an team 191 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 2: made protest very uncomfortable for him, but he was glad 192 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: to see people standing up. Obviously, crimes against property are 193 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: something that parts of Los Angeles take very seriously. It's 194 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: a spiritual home of conspicuous consumption. But in this instance, 195 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: it seemed everyone I've met either didn't care or was 196 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: so mad that they didn't care. From mid morning to 197 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: early the next day, LAPD, who are not supposed to 198 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: assist CBP, but who can enforce state law, chase angry 199 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 2: kids around their own city. Its skid row and downtown LA. 200 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: Tear gas flooded the streets, and so did young people 201 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: from across town in between the tear gas and pepperbulls, 202 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: and managed to talk to a few of them. Their 203 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: stories were similar. They were those kids whose better futures 204 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: had brought their parents here. They were citizens raised in 205 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 2: the USA to believe in the right to free speech 206 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 2: and assembly, something they were now using to make their 207 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 2: voices heard. 208 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 4: I mean, my family, they're susceptible to all the ice 209 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: rays and stuff like that, and you know, being a 210 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 4: citizen here, I feel like it's my duty to out 211 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 4: here and you know, speak out and know for those 212 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 4: who can. 213 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: It made me think of Primrose and Kimberly and the 214 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: future they might both have. I sincerely hope that one 215 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 2: day at Kimberly and every other kid I met the 216 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: jungle would feel brave enough to be out here and 217 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: despite everything, be strong enough to stand up against state violence. 218 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: Unbeknown to me, Primrose and Kim weren't that far away. 219 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: They had a check in with ICE at the DTLA 220 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: federal building that day, and as they rode by in 221 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: a bus past the protesting crowds, Kim said to her mom, look, 222 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: it's uncle James. Her mom, of course, told her it 223 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 2: couldn't have been, but she was right. It was after 224 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: nine months of only speaking on the phone, Kimberly somehow 225 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: recognized me this might be being wrapped up in a 226 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: helmet and a plate carrier. When they first arrived, they 227 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: went to stay with someone they knew in Texas. I 228 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 2: planned to go and visit them and accompany them to 229 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: their court hearing. At this point, I say, agents had 230 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: already begun snatching people in the corridors the courthouse itself 231 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: to the government withdrew their cases and placed them in 232 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: expedited removal proceedings, which meant mandatory detention. There's not much 233 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: any of us could do about this, but I didn't 234 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: want them to be alone. Then I got COVID and 235 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: couldn't go his curse in explaining how this process works. 236 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 3: So Ina Section two thirty five applies to people who 237 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 3: entered within less than two years. Like you said, they 238 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 3: can be then subject to what's called expedited removal. That 239 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 3: means that they have to take a credible fear interview 240 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 3: and be detained, and that they only get to fight 241 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: a case if they pass their credible fear interview. They 242 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: do not qualify for an immigration judge bond so they 243 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: only get out if Ice lets them out, which of 244 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 3: course I is letting nobody out. So the administration wants 245 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: to have people detained under this authority, this two thirty 246 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 3: five authority, as much as possible, to have them have 247 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 3: to fight their case detained and either lose the will 248 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 3: to do so and or not be able to afford 249 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 3: an attorney, because the tanned cases move along a lot 250 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 3: quicker and are very costly as well for that reason. 251 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 3: So what they're doing is anybody who was here two 252 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 3: years or less but was parolled in so they're in 253 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 3: the regular immigration court proceedings. They got out there under 254 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 3: two forty proceedings, that's called so DHS attorneys in court 255 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: are terminating those proceedings. They're asking the Dodge to terminate 256 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 3: the two forty proceedings, so then that case is closed 257 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 3: and then they immediately restart a case under section two 258 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: thirty five. 259 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: Their hearing went relatively smoothly. Their lawyer, who is now 260 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 2: working for whatever Primrose could fundraise, was able to help 261 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: them make their case. They left with another hearing scheduled 262 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: soon after. They decided to move to la to stay 263 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: with another friend. After the housing situation in Texas fell through. 264 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 2: They were living in East LA when they had their 265 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: next ice check in. 266 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was living an appointment. 267 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: And you said they went back to get some documents 268 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: in them around. 269 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I went. 270 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 5: I think that aunt a of eight two four pm. 271 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 5: At first they came and give me my papers. They said, 272 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 5: go to chat with which is close to where you stay. 273 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 5: Then came here in La downtown. So when I walk away, 274 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 5: I realized there was no other documents. Then I woke, 275 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 5: I go big. I said to Kim at let's go 276 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 5: big inside. Then I go to the reception. Then I 277 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 5: asked the lady and she was the rude to it first. 278 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 5: Then she took my documents, then said oh okay, let 279 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 5: me go and find it. Three hours four hours, not 280 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 5: coming big. Then she came and called me. I think 281 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 5: four pm. Then the ice officer is just telling me 282 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 5: I'm going to detainium. I said, oh why, I said, 283 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 5: we are going to explain more. We are going. 284 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: I said, oh. 285 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: Okay, like thousands of other migrants who are trying to 286 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: do as they're asked, was detained her check it along 287 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,479 Speaker 2: with Kim. Previously, she'd be giving ice checkens in Riverside 288 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: despite living in East La. I'd helped her navigate the 289 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: four and a half hour bus route to get there 290 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: on time. I wondered, how on earth, someone who doesn't 291 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: have a friend here, or who doesn't speak English, she's 292 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: expected to do this. She went out of her way 293 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: to make sure she was there and she had her 294 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: documents in order, despite all of this, but she and 295 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: Kim believe were detained anyway, It's not hard for me 296 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: to see why people in La were mad. 297 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 5: Then they took me to Santana. We were just sitting. 298 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 5: Not even one ice officer come talk to me. 299 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: Nothing. 300 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 5: I was just sitting. And the other thing, they just 301 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 5: took my phone. Same time this, I switched it off. 302 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 5: Then I said, can I tell even one of my 303 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 5: friends maybe they. 304 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: Are worried. 305 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 5: And I said no, no, we are going to give 306 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 5: you a phone. Later on I said, okay. So in 307 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 5: Sanna they took us in a hotel to sleep. Then 308 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 5: the following day they took big us to sunder detention center. 309 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 5: Not even one officer. I was being asking the securities. 310 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 5: They said, we don't even know. We splained the whole 311 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 5: day sitting doing nothing. We were just sitting. Then they 312 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 5: took us. I think around the six PM take you 313 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 5: to Los Angeles then, when that's why I saw the 314 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 5: ICE officer. Then she explained to me, we are going 315 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 5: to detain you, are going to put you somewhere because 316 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 5: the rules are changing every day. I even ask you, 317 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 5: did I do something ru She said no. 318 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: I've heard this from a lot of migrants. The ICE 319 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 2: agents managing their non detained docket as opposed to those 320 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 2: enforcement removal or detention, seemed to be struggling to keep 321 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: up with the pace of the changes in rules. Many 322 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 2: of the migrants I'd heard from had decent relationships with 323 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: the officers to do their check ins, and they can't 324 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: understand why other officers working for the same organization would 325 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: detain them, even that they're doing exactly what they're asked 326 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 2: to do. They are doing things quote unquote the right way. 327 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: But that's not enough for an agency desperately driven by 328 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 2: quotas and the desire to purgenation of people who had 329 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: risked their lives to become Americans. Let's hear how this 330 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 2: felt for Primrose. 331 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: Then I said, do you have a lawyer? I said yes. 332 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 5: Then she said, okay, it's fine, So she gave me 333 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 5: another documentary to sign. Then I signed, like they are 334 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 5: going to detain me. Then I ask you for how long? 335 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 5: She said that I don't think you guys will you 336 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 5: are going and going to stay more than fourteen days, 337 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 5: maybe less than fourteen days. I said, okay. Then I 338 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 5: asked your phone to call a lawyer. She gave me 339 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 5: a phone. Then I conduct the lawyer. The lawyer the 340 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 5: phone was off. Then I tried to conduct one of 341 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 5: my friends. Then the answer. I said, Yo, we wanted 342 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 5: to go to the police to ask you because we 343 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 5: were worried because your phone were off and the ice officer, 344 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 5: the ice officer, they both I was saving a GPS, 345 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 5: so my GPS was off for the way phoning. Uh 346 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 5: the person way up to me in Texas looking for me. 347 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 5: Then he also replaced, I'm also looking for you. I 348 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 5: don't even know where she is. Yeah, So people they 349 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 5: were worried. Maybe I will someone could app you something 350 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 5: happened to me. Yeah, yeah, so you. 351 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: And another ice officer is also looking for you. 352 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, the other officer, we're looking for me. They were 353 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 5: even sending messages on their app. Yeah, yeah, asking where 354 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 5: are you charge your GPS? And the other ICE officer 355 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 5: was detaining me. Then I even explained to her. She said, 356 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 5: oh no, no, it's okay. Then she took the scissor. 357 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 5: Then she cut the GPS. She cut it off. 358 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: They know. 359 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 5: We spent I think one hour, it was around seven. 360 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 5: Then they said, okay, oh there someone k is coming 361 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 5: to take you and your daughter, so to take you 362 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 5: someway which is safe with your child. I ask away 363 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 5: those people they visited, we don't know, we don't know. 364 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 5: I said, all okay. Then they search me. They said, 365 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 5: did you want to take your big they's no, no, 366 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 5: it's fine. I can ask if someone because I know 367 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 5: I was leaving as key for the. 368 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 2: Apartment Primrose, like many people seeking asylum, had to wear 369 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 2: a GPS ankle tag part of ICE's Alternatives to Detention program. 370 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 2: There are various parts of the program, including facial recognition 371 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 2: check ins via a smartphone app, home visits, and the 372 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 2: Intensive Supervision Parents Program, which is administered by Behavioral Interventions 373 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: A Geogroups of Sidiary I SAP as it's known, includes 374 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: an app through which people can check it, as well 375 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: as the GPS monitors and smart watches which can monitor 376 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: GPS and do facial recognition. Very obviously, they're not being 377 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 2: used in a systematic way, as one branch of ICE 378 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 2: was detaining Primrose while another was using a GPS tag 379 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 2: to try and find her. All the GPS devices used 380 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: to altern to detention represent massive surveillance overreach, an invasion 381 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: of privacy, and a huge government dragnet of data they 382 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: can use to track down migrants and the people they're with. 383 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 2: Despite this, they're also better than detention, which is where 384 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: Primros ended up, but not directly. 385 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 5: Maybe they're going to put me. I can't go with 386 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 5: the keys. Then they took my big Then okay, we're 387 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 5: going to put somewhere. After one hour, they took us 388 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 5: to Lax Airport. They put us in a hotel. It 389 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 5: was around the twelve, yeah, twelve three, and that time, indeed, 390 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 5: they said, okay, so when you can navy shower, then 391 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 5: you can navy saw me. I was in the shower 392 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 5: in the Kimberdis was already on the bed sleeping. Then 393 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 5: the lady came in said, make fast, we are going 394 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 5: to we want to go back to pick another person 395 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 5: where we came from. 396 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: Ah. Then awake I awake him. 397 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 5: I was talking about she was crying she was like, 398 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 5: I want to sleep because she was leaving headache. Then 399 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 5: they said no, no, no, it's okay, let's go, you're 400 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 5: going to sleep. 401 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 1: Where we are going. We spent there one night, up 402 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: and down. 403 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 5: We came back again to La Downtown to pick another 404 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 5: guy with his side, with his son. Then they took 405 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 5: us to San Diego airport. I think we arrived there. 406 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 5: I think it's five am to take the flight to 407 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 5: San Andreonio, Texas. Then after that and then the other 408 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 5: lady she was rude. The other one she was nice, 409 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 5: she was fine. The other one, if you ask her, 410 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 5: she was like, she was rude. Then I just keep quiet. 411 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 5: Then I think at the airport we spent three hours sitting. 412 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 5: Then ication flight at eight am to San Antonio and 413 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 5: they took us to delay immigration. They welcome us, nice everything. Yeah, 414 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 5: then they put us inside. But for me, I was 415 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 5: I was crying to be honesty, yeah, I was even crying, 416 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 5: like you know, the only pace and make me strong. 417 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 5: It came and it's wayte for here, like since our 418 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 5: last year, since last year, your life is something else. 419 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 5: I'm just moving from one place to another, moving from 420 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 5: one place to another. 421 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: You know, she's a strong girl. 422 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 5: But sometimes you can see when you see sitting down 423 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 5: starting crime, she would just remind you something. 424 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah. 425 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: The Florida Settlement governed detention of children by immigration authorities. 426 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: It limits the time they can be held to twenty days. 427 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: It establishes minimum standards for their detention and treatment. It 428 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: was a lawsuit based on this Florida Settlement that eventually 429 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: ended the Biden era policy of outdoor attention. The settlement 430 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: is widely flouted, but it was the best hope from 431 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: Rose and Kimberly had. Kirstin their lawyer we heard from 432 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 2: earlier worked tirelessly to demand they be treated according to 433 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 2: their rights. 434 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: And how was it? 435 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 2: You caught me a few times in daily rate, like how. 436 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: Kim wasn't having a good time first week? 437 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 5: It was hard even for both of us. Yeah, yeah, 438 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 5: even their food mere, I wasn't even. It was very 439 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 5: hard for both of us to know kids she was 440 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 5: like used to to. 441 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 2: Primrose called me a few times from detention. I pick 442 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: up the phone to a robot voice and the number 443 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 2: would identify itself on my phone as Federal detention or 444 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 2: something like that. First, obviously I was afraid, but I 445 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: had an idea of what it could be. Yet another 446 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 2: connection that began with a little piece of waterproof paper 447 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: in the jungle and was now nine months later, leading 448 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: to a phone call from a prison for families in Texas. 449 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 2: I'd pick up the phone and then I'd have to 450 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: press one or two to accept the call. I always 451 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: wondered what I was about to hear. I could tell 452 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: she was trying to put on a brave face, but 453 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 2: she sounded so small it was difficult, really hard to hear. 454 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 2: She said Kim wasn't eating the food, which I've often 455 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,959 Speaker 2: heard is terrible. I spent hours trying to find out 456 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 2: how to put money on their commissary account so she 457 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: could get something a little better. Kised in foro on 458 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 2: and on to try and get them released. I remember 459 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: at one point hearing from Primrose locked up with her 460 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: daughter for the crime of asking his country for help 461 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: on the fourth of July. It'd be too cliche if 462 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 2: I made that up, But nothing this year already seems believable, 463 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: even a nice attention, which is a miserable place for anyone. 464 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: Primros and Came had an especially hard time, as most 465 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 2: of the mirgrants they were detained but spoke Spanish. 466 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: And the way. 467 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 5: The other thing is like those people they were, especially 468 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 5: their room. 469 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: They put me all of them. 470 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 5: They were Spanish and me, I don't understand the Spanish. 471 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 5: I even asked the ice officer, can you please maybe 472 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 5: because there's another lad you also two ladies I think Africans. 473 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 5: We were only four families, so we even asked them, 474 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 5: can you put us in one room so that we 475 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 5: can understand each other, even especially for the TV. You know, 476 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 5: kids their issues. So sometimes I even had a report 477 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 5: to one of the lads. She was very rude to us. 478 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 5: She came and speak something, so me and you came 479 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 5: with we don't even understand like what she said. 480 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: So I just saw people they're doing something. 481 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 5: Then letter she was like, hey, I came here and 482 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 5: I said this. Yeah, when you came here, you just 483 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 5: speak Spanish. You didn't even explain with English, and of 484 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 5: which may I don't understand English. So she just write 485 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 5: a report to a boss. So your boss came and 486 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 5: called me. Then I explained to you. Then she was like, 487 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 5: oh okay. 488 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: Then they called Yeah. She wanted to. 489 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 5: Say no, no, no, I even explained to English. Then 490 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 5: there's another woman inside my room. Then she spoke with Spanish. 491 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 5: I didn't even hear, but she was telling the officer, no, no, no, 492 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 5: this woman, she's lying. She just came and speaks Spanish, ye, 493 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 5: not English. So these people they were just sleeping. They 494 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 5: didn't even know what to do because she just only 495 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 5: spoke Spanish only. 496 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: I've heard this from lots of migrants. They end up 497 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: serving as translators for each other because the agency that 498 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: is founded better than most countries' militaries seemingly won't provide them. Often, 499 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 2: people who speak indigenous languages have to find a translator 500 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 2: into Spanish or Russian or whatever other language they have 501 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: a colonial relationship with. Other times, there's just nobody to 502 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 2: help them, and they're even more alone than afraid. Luckily, 503 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 2: Primrose wasn't alone. She had kim with her, and as 504 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 2: they always do, they looked out for each other. These 505 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: aren't things the child should have to do, certainly not 506 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 2: a child as young as Kimberly, But in the end 507 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: it was Kimberly who could help work out what was 508 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: going on. 509 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 5: Then the ice officer I started decrying, like then they 510 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 5: took me to psychologist. Then no, it's okay, I think 511 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 5: I even spent three days that side. They removed me 512 00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 5: in their room, then they put me big so mallage 513 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 5: was leaning under standing Spanish. So sometimes you see olping 514 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 5: me or Mammy they said this, and that, they said 515 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 5: this and that. I even write it not to complain, 516 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 5: like when these people came, then we have to accommodate 517 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 5: all of us, because it's not like, oh, we are 518 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 5: all Spanish and the eye we don't understand Spanish, and. 519 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: It's being overcrowded and underfed. Migrated ice facilities were often 520 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: incredibly bored. I've heard of some of them trying to 521 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: teach yoga or share stories, but for the most part, 522 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: there's so afraid and isolated that they are forced to 523 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 2: sit with their anxieties day after day. I can't imagine 524 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: what this is like for parents who have to try 525 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: and maintain their own mental health and take care of 526 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 2: their children. 527 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 5: But to be honest, we were just sitting. So time 528 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 5: goes oh yeah, because I remember one day we went 529 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 5: to place, we went to the gym to play I 530 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 5: think soca with Kim. I just failed down, just so down. 531 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 5: They took me to hospital. I think I spent I 532 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 5: think three hours then I wake up. 533 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 534 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, of course I think it's depression. Yeah, so they 535 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 5: put me in depression pills to get it out. Yeah, 536 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 5: because my bibi was high every time and every time 537 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 5: and different time. Yeah. But I asked my ICE officer 538 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 5: about my case. Then she just replied me, I'm just 539 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 5: waiting for ICE to close your case when we can 540 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 5: start for asylum. 541 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: So I was just sitting doing nothing. 542 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 2: Despite what the detention was doing to her, Premiers remain 543 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: determined to keep fighting her case. Every Thursday, an ICE 544 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: officer would come by and she would be able to 545 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 2: ask about her case. She'd been looking forward to the 546 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: only point in her week when she might get some 547 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 2: good news or at least some news about what was 548 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 2: happening to her. Why, Sally, that's not how it went. 549 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was. 550 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 5: Ice officer was very old, to be honest, Everyone just 551 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 5: walk away without and the people they were crying, complaining. 552 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 5: Then it was like I went to him, straight to him. 553 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 5: I wanted to ask him a question. He said, Hey, 554 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 5: I don't have time. The only thing I can even 555 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 5: tell you, guys, if you're tired of staying here, you 556 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 5: can because they were putting papers for self deportation in 557 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 5: our rooms like if you want to anytime, you can 558 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 5: just sign. You put your A number, your phone number, everything, 559 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 5: then they can make you fine ticket here. 560 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 2: In her lowest moments, Premier said she felt like giving up. 561 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: Maybe it wasn't worth it. She thought, if you would 562 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: do anything to get away from the hell of the 563 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 2: detention center, that's the goal of these places, to break people. 564 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 2: The kimberly reminded her what they'd come all this way for. 565 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 5: Because when I was in detention, there's a time I 566 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 5: was like, I'm going to sign any deportation from Oh, 567 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 5: she's cream, she said, No, people, they are going to 568 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 5: kill you. 569 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: If you want to go big. 570 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 5: Oh it's fine, it's up to you. If you want 571 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 5: to go die, go not to me. You sign your paper, 572 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 5: not to my paper. You must sign yours, then you 573 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 5: can go. Don't sign my name. No, I do rather 574 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 5: stay a year because I know people, because there's a 575 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 5: lot of people happening in the a ice, especially in 576 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 5: my country. Also, so she still remember everything. 577 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 2: The depression, hunger boarder and misery that characterizes ice detention. 578 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 2: It's not a bug, it's a feature. It's supposed to 579 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: force people into breaking into signing those papers. It's getting 580 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: sent back to whatever they came here to escape. However, 581 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 2: the tenasty that bought Primrose is far I hadn't left her, 582 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 2: and she made sure to let them know she was 583 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 2: not willingly go back. 584 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 5: Then I said, no me, I'm not going anyway because 585 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 5: my life is in danger. Then he said, I don't 586 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 5: care even if they kill you, I don't even care. 587 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: You have to. 588 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 5: Take a reform and sign if you're a tack. Then 589 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 5: I said, okay, at least tell me my my case, 590 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 5: because when they teach me, was like everyone was asking me, 591 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 5: where did they catch you? I explained. The other officer 592 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 5: was like, so wh detain you? I said, I don't 593 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 5: even know the name, but that uh ice officer, he 594 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 5: was very rude, said I don't care. 595 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: Do you think I care. 596 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 5: I don't even care whether you go big to your cant, 597 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 5: whether they killed you, none of my business. 598 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: I gave my family. 599 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 5: Oh so people people they were they were like shouted him, 600 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 5: those spanishes, they were even crying, shouted him. He just 601 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 5: walk away and leave us. So people were just also 602 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 5: starting walking away. 603 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: Go around. 604 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 5: We even the writing not reprove like a complain, but 605 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 5: no one even comment your pass and they did. They 606 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 5: just come and call me. They are going to listen me. 607 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: Kirsten had spent weeks calling, emailing, and demanding the Primrose 608 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 2: and Kimberly be treated according to their rights under the 609 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 2: Florida Settlement. I wasn't sure if it was a lost cause. 610 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 2: It was the only option we had, and I was 611 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 2: happy to Kimberly and like so many others in that 612 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 2: detention center, had someone to fight for her. In fact, 613 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 2: she had hundreds of people. People all across the country 614 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 2: had donated to a legal aid fund. Here in San Diego. 615 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 2: People put on shows and took collections to pay for 616 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 2: her legal fees. Listeners to this show dipped into their 617 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 2: pockets to support Primos and Kimberly. Thanks to them, she 618 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,959 Speaker 2: had a chance to get out. Like many other legal 619 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 2: rights at Migrant's House, Flores was being widely ignored, and 620 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: it's likely that Trump have men will take a run 621 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 2: at removing it altogether soon, But for now, this one case, 622 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 2: it still applied. But even once I conceded that Primrose 623 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 2: and Kimberly had a right to be freed, they still 624 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 2: took their time doing it. 625 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: They released me on the tenth Yeah, I remember you 626 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: called me the frond of. 627 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I called Julia exactly before you were. 628 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 2: Going to get out that week, but they took longer 629 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 2: and longer. Yeah, the release felt like a victory, but 630 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 2: she still faced the same difficulty she had before. Primrose 631 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 2: could not legally work. She was still in la where 632 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 2: border patrol and the Baveno but conducting violent raids and 633 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 2: people accused of no crime other than crossing the border 634 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: between ports of entry. Because it was the summer, Kimberly 635 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 2: still hadn't resumed her education, so that was July and 636 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 2: igl were in August. Now, yeah, you said your work 637 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 2: permit still hasn't. 638 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 5: Come right, Yeah, they clear everything. I was supposed to 639 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 5: get to my week permit on June July, but they 640 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 5: clear everything, like I knew everything. They just clear everything's 641 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 5: all studying August. 642 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 2: Yeah to November. Now there's still no permit. His case 643 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 2: in explaining in May of this year how this system works. 644 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 3: You have a work permit clock, right, which is another 645 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 3: absurd thing for assiles that once they file their asylum application, 646 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 3: they have to wait one hundred and fifty days before 647 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 3: they can apply for a work permit. And of course 648 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 3: they're expected to be independently wealthy during those five months, 649 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 3: or you know, or star over. I don't know what 650 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 3: they're expected to do. 651 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, rely on the generosity of others, like exactly. 652 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,760 Speaker 3: So if you do something like try to change venue 653 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 3: or a motion to continue, if you do something in 654 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 3: your case that the judge perceives as not moving the 655 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 3: case along and rather like kind of trying to stall 656 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 3: it or possibly pausing it or slow it down, the 657 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 3: judge will stop the work permit clock the days and 658 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 3: it's a whole thing. So Primroses was stopped because the 659 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 3: judge wanted her to get an attorney. So then usually 660 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 3: when the case is set for a final hearing, that 661 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 3: code adjournment code they call it. We have the access 662 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 3: to the codes and what stops the clock and what doesn't, 663 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 3: and it always restarts the clock because you moved your 664 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 3: case along because you're setting it for trial. It's you know, 665 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 3: obviously moving your case along. Hers was not restarted. 666 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 2: That video is still on Primrose's mind as well, still 667 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 2: comes up when she goes to a new church or 668 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 2: meets new people. Even eleven months later. One of the 669 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 2: worst days of her life still follows her. 670 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 5: And the visiting hoop Puss is me on my video 671 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 5: please uh. I don't know how to say, but the 672 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 5: comments I was reading it was really big and people 673 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 5: they just judge people. We thought, if they know where 674 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 5: they come from, Yeah, I can't control them, but. 675 00:37:59,480 --> 00:37:59,919 Speaker 1: Deep don't. 676 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,760 Speaker 5: I'm not okay. And do you see if it now 677 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 5: I'm struggling for my knee. Yeah, and the other people 678 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 5: they will love at me like yeah, but it's not funny. 679 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 5: And I wish if the person maybe she was supposed 680 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 5: to cover my face or to cover Kimbali's face. 681 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, right. 682 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 2: But I didn't want their time in La to entirely 683 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 2: be defined by their detention. I didn't want them to 684 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,439 Speaker 2: think that everyone in this country doesn't want them here. 685 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 2: I never really expect the government to make people feel 686 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 2: welcome here. I think that's something we should do. These 687 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 2: people are joining our communities. They risk their lives to 688 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 2: kind of live here with us, and it's us who 689 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 2: should welcome them. We can't leave that to the whims 690 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 2: of the electoral college. We have to do it ourselves, 691 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 2: just like the people in Bajujito did. 692 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 4: So. 693 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 2: I drove up to La Primrose and Kim had another 694 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 2: ice appointment, and I arranged to meet them after. I 695 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 2: freaked out little bit when I couldn't get through to them, 696 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 2: but eventually I did. The Big Guy's building has no 697 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 2: signal inside. It turns out their place in la Is 698 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 2: where I conducted the interview you heard. I took them 699 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 2: out for a manicure first, because it seemed like something 700 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 2: that would make them feel taken care of, and I 701 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 2: got Kimed some bubblesap because she wanted to try it. 702 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 2: Sitting in the little manicure shop, watching a Vietnamese lady 703 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 2: take great care over their nails felt like another glimpse 704 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 2: of the communities we aspire to build where people from 705 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 2: all over the world can come and be safe. By 706 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 2: this time, I hadn't heard from Noiby for months, and 707 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 2: I've started to realize I might not ever again. So 708 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 2: I decided I wasn't going to let Kimberly live so 709 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 2: close to Disneyland and not go. One of my colleagues 710 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 2: has family who worked there. We got Primrose and Kimberly 711 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 2: day passes. It felt really nice just to give them 712 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 2: a day to be a family and not to worry. 713 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 2: I didn't go with them and record I wanted them 714 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 2: to enjoy the day on their own, and by all 715 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 2: accounts they did. Primrose sent me fixtored to them smiling 716 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 2: outside various riots and exhibit, and I felt a little 717 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 2: bit better to have help make someone's American dream a 718 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 2: little less of a nightmare. Tomorrow, I want to talk 719 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 2: more about welcoming people in our communities and taking care 720 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 2: of them, because now more than ever, I think that's 721 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 2: what we have to do. 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