Speaker 1: Yo, Hello, what's up? Is this?
Speaker 2: Lyle?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who's this?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: This is Holdy up?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: This is holding Holy holy h o l d u
Speaker 1: y h oh oh Holdy, what's up? Holdy? What's up?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: Uh? Now it's hold Holdy is a fake name if
Speaker 1: I don't really care. Holdly what's going on with you?
Speaker 1: How's life?
Speaker 4: It's pretty good, man, I was not expecting.
Speaker 2: You to call. Well watching the streamer.
Speaker 4: How's your night going?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: It's going all right? But hey, who gives a fuck
Speaker 1: about me? Holdy? What's going on? How can I get
Speaker 1: you today?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I think I I think I texted you
Speaker 4: earlier about my issue.
Speaker 2: That I got going on.
Speaker 4: So I mean you can talk about that, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure, let's do that. Tell me the issue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, basically, back in January, I figured out that
Speaker 4: my girlfriend at the time, long story short, we just
Speaker 4: had a baby and it was his birthday coming up,
Speaker 4: and right around that time, I started figuring out that
Speaker 4: she was cheating on me, and come to find out,
Speaker 4: I figure everything.
Speaker 2: Out the night before his birthday party.
Speaker 4: And yeah, so I figured out she cheated on me,
Speaker 4: and then we broke up and then yeah, so like
Speaker 4: a month later, she says that she's pregnant, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, well it's got to be got to be
Speaker 2: the guy that she cheated on me with, you know.
Speaker 4: And I was like, like I was, I was even
Speaker 4: doubting that she was even pregnant, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, we did a DNA test and yeah, basically.
Speaker 2: We're waiting the results right now.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of a crazy situation, I guess.
Speaker 1: All right, so you you and this woman have a
Speaker 1: kid together, and you found out she was cheating on
Speaker 1: you a year after the kid was born, and then
Speaker 1: you found out she was pregnant with another kid, and
Speaker 1: now you're wondering if this second kid is yours or
Speaker 1: the guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, it's like a tough situation. And the crazier part
Speaker 4: about it is, in the time that me and her
Speaker 4: broke up, I actually met this other girl, and like
Speaker 4: she kind of hit me with the news that she
Speaker 4: was pregnant while I've been with this other girl. So
Speaker 4: that's kind of complicated already.
Speaker 1: Are you. I was literally about to say, please don't
Speaker 1: tell me you got this girl pregnant too.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, no, this girl, this girl
Speaker 4: is not pregnant.
Speaker 1: So oh oh, okay, all right, Okay, you confused me
Speaker 1: there for a second because I thought I thought you
Speaker 1: broke up with this girl that was cheating on you,
Speaker 1: and then you started dating a new girl, and now
Speaker 1: that girl is pregnant.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that I was.
Speaker 1: Okay. You can only handle so many pregnancies.
Speaker 4: At once, right, right, right, I wouldn't want to take
Speaker 4: on more than one.
Speaker 1: All right, So all right, so you're dating a new
Speaker 1: girl now after this you found out the other one
Speaker 1: was cheating on you. Correct, correct, Okay, and now you're
Speaker 1: wondering if this kid who your ex wife.
Speaker 4: Girlfriends girlfriend, yeah, girlfriend.
Speaker 1: All right, And now you're wondering if this this kid
Speaker 1: who your ex girlfriend has is your kid or not?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you, when do you when do you
Speaker 1: get the results of the DNA test?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: Should be soon, Like I'm not exactly sure when, but
Speaker 4: it should be within the next couple of months. Like
Speaker 4: it's like this whole process, like because she's not even
Speaker 4: I don't even know she's far that far along yet,
Speaker 4: Like I don't even know. It's like this whole thing,
Speaker 4: so I don't even know.
Speaker 1: Man, mm hm m hmm, Well I have I have
Speaker 1: two questions. What are you going to do? What are
Speaker 1: you gonna what are you going to do if it
Speaker 1: is your kid? And what are you going to do
Speaker 1: if it's not?
Speaker 4: Uh well, obviously, if it is my kid, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take care of her like my our other
Speaker 4: kid we have, but it's just going to be a
Speaker 4: complicated situation between me and Herk's like she's cheated on
Speaker 4: me and everything. But then if it's not my kid, dude,
Speaker 4: I don't even know, Like that's like that's the part
Speaker 4: where I'm like, I don't even know how to handle
Speaker 4: the whole the whole situation.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if it's not your kid, then.
Speaker 2: I mean I guess let's move on, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean you already I mean, look, you
Speaker 1: already share custody of one with the Do you guys
Speaker 1: have like a whole like agreement? Did you did? Was it?
Speaker 1: Was it an issue when you broke up with this girl?
Speaker 1: Was an issue fighting for custody? Ah?
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's we haven't even had any issues with
Speaker 4: with that at all, Like we didn't go to court
Speaker 4: or anything like that because we were just like dating
Speaker 4: basically for the whole time we were together and we
Speaker 4: had the kid, and yeah, I mean we see him
Speaker 4: like three four days a week something like that. So man,
Speaker 4: not too bad. But yeah, I don't know, it's just
Speaker 4: the whole situation, I guess is just like I didn't
Speaker 4: even see it coming obviously, but it's just crazy to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you feel about the whole thing,
Speaker 1: because that's rough, But I mean just from talking to
Speaker 1: you and you're hearing your tone of voice, you seem
Speaker 1: like you're and I'm not not over it, but like
Speaker 1: you know, handling it well, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, like I said, the whole thing, the whole breakoup
Speaker 4: situation happened back in January. Then I didn't figure out
Speaker 4: she was pregnant for like a few months later.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it's like.
Speaker 4: She's supposed to have the baby soon. I'm not exactly
Speaker 4: sure the the exact due date and everything, but yeah,
Speaker 4: within that time, I'm supposed to figure out if it's
Speaker 4: mine or not. And that's the stressful part.
Speaker 1: Was it. It was it tough when you first became
Speaker 1: a father because you're young. It says here that you're
Speaker 1: twenty four.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, Yeah, I had him at a twenty two
Speaker 4: or twenty three, twenty two, twenty two because it's about
Speaker 4: to be hard. Uh yeah, I mean we had an
Speaker 4: apartment at the time, and then right before he was born,
Speaker 4: we kind of moved out, moved back into my mom's house.
Speaker 4: We're saving up, we were saving up money to move
Speaker 4: into a house, and then, yeah, she cheated on me.
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of stuck at my mom's house right
Speaker 4: now because Alison Market's pretty like pretty bad. Also, so
Speaker 4: that's another thing.
Speaker 1: You guys didn't combine your finances, did you.
Speaker 4: Luckily no, because we weren't married, so I kind of
Speaker 4: kept that that separate. Good good, Yeah, having a joint
Speaker 4: account and dealing with all that.
Speaker 1: So mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: How is that.
Speaker 1: How are things going with the new girl?
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 7: It's it's like, uh, I feel like I feel like
Speaker 7: we're we're we have a good relationship, but it's nothing
Speaker 7: like serious, you know what I mean, Because she knows
Speaker 7: about my.
Speaker 4: Kid right now, and then she found out that I
Speaker 4: could potentially be having another kid, so it kind of
Speaker 4: complicated the the whole relationship. So that's another thing that
Speaker 4: I'm kind of dealing with so I don't even know
Speaker 4: if this relationship itself is gonna last, but I'm hoping
Speaker 4: for the best.
Speaker 1: Bro, what's up with you? You're like, You're like, look, here's
Speaker 1: the thing. If I were you, if I were in
Speaker 1: your situation, I mean I would be I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: able to handle it. I would crack. And you're over
Speaker 1: here you seem, you know, like you're full of sunshine.
Speaker 1: What's up? How are you?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 1: What's going to? What's what chemicals are in your brain
Speaker 1: right now? Well?
Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I have been smoking a little tonight,
Speaker 4: but I usually just keep a positive mind about everything,
Speaker 4: like as much as I can.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: I I also have, like, you know, bad days, just
Speaker 4: like everybody else.
Speaker 1: But sure, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like even just talking to
Speaker 4: you about it just kind of, I don't know, brought
Speaker 4: out the the I don't know the good vibes of
Speaker 4: the whole situation, because you can think of it in
Speaker 4: a bad way in a good way. I'll so, I
Speaker 4: don't know, I'll try to find a good in everything.
Speaker 1: How do you? How do you? How do you stay positive?
Speaker 2: Just in general, a lot of weed, I'll say that.
Speaker 4: But also, just like in any situation, I would say,
Speaker 4: just trying to find the good in it no matter what,
Speaker 4: because when it comes down to it, if you get
Speaker 4: mad at the little things, it's just gonna irritate you
Speaker 4: and take up your time When you could have just
Speaker 4: focused on the good things about a bad situation and
Speaker 4: moved on from it, you know what I mean, You
Speaker 4: just stay on the bad things.
Speaker 2: It stays in your head and it's just toxic.
Speaker 4: So I try to keep try to keep a level
Speaker 4: head and I think positive.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, hm hmm. What tell me about your life
Speaker 1: outside of this? If you have a second what do
Speaker 1: you have a job? Do you have hobbies? What do
Speaker 1: you what do you do when you're not in an
Speaker 1: episode of Jerry Springer?
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I I deliver for Amazon right now, and
Speaker 4: I actually listen to a lot of you while I'm
Speaker 4: fucking delivering. But yeah, I mean hobbies. I go to
Speaker 4: a lot of concerts. Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I go thirsting a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Do you your kid do anything together? Do you guys?
Speaker 1: Do you take a stroller through the park or anything
Speaker 1: like that? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I live, Uh, I live kind of in the woods, so.
Speaker 2: Like we'd be doing nature walks here and there, and.
Speaker 4: I take him to like the river and stuff and
Speaker 4: just like parks and whatnot. It's pretty fun. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I take him to the mall sometimes too. He just
Speaker 4: learned to walk, so he's been walking around little stores
Speaker 4: and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, how was it? How was it like that
Speaker 1: first year with your ex? Like is it is it?
Speaker 1: Is it harder now that you're sort of like doing
Speaker 1: it on your own?
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, I I do live with Like
Speaker 4: I said, I live with my mom, so I do
Speaker 4: have a little bit of help from her. But I
Speaker 4: will say, yeah, it definitely was a big change because
Speaker 4: before we're kind of both like you know, co parenting,
Speaker 4: like like you're supposed to. But I don't know now
Speaker 4: like whenever I just have him just me, Like I
Speaker 4: had to learn like a lot of different things that
Speaker 4: like I didn't do before that she did, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's just like I feel like I've I've started to.
Speaker 4: Get the hang of it, but because he's so young,
Speaker 4: but like, yeah, man, it definitely was a challenge because
Speaker 4: like I said, I live with my parents and I'm
Speaker 4: pretty young, and I'm saving up to get a house
Speaker 4: and everything too, So it's just all around a big struggle.
Speaker 4: But I'm trying. I'm trying.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. What's your dream in life?
Speaker 5: Stream and life?
Speaker 4: I've ever been asked that, but I guess I guess
Speaker 4: just to like own a business and be like financially
Speaker 4: free and just be able to buy whatever I want
Speaker 4: and not worry about money and.
Speaker 2: Just live live free.
Speaker 4: I guess that's a dream.
Speaker 1: What kind of you? I don't want to run.
Speaker 4: Something that I enjoy doing, but that's the problem that
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: What it would be exactly.
Speaker 4: Like your job is pretty cool. I wish I could
Speaker 4: do something like that, but I don't know. I guess
Speaker 4: I just got to find what I want to do
Speaker 4: because I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't obviously don't.
Speaker 4: Want to deliver for Amazon forever.
Speaker 1: Well, I gotta tell I gotta tell you so, and
Speaker 1: I it's it's funny you say that my job is cool,
Speaker 1: because you know, I've I have been struggling a lot
Speaker 1: these past week with you know, I just kind of
Speaker 1: struggling in general with like trying to be happy where
Speaker 1: I'm at. You know, it always feels like something's missing
Speaker 1: or or needs to be put in place first for
Speaker 1: me to do that. And I don't know, man, listening
Speaker 1: to you and this that's actually happened a lot of
Speaker 1: times when I'm talking to people on the phone and
Speaker 1: kind of getting out of my own head and you know,
Speaker 1: hearing people in other situations and what their moods and
Speaker 1: attitudes are surrounding it. You seem like just a generally
Speaker 1: happy guy. You seem like you're not waiting for like
Speaker 1: I like, I get into this trap where I'm waiting
Speaker 1: for everything to be perfect to be happy. You know,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people get like that. From
Speaker 1: talking to you. You seem like you're you just like
Speaker 1: life man, Like you're able to be happy and see
Speaker 1: the pos and whatever is going on with you. So
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be okay, dude.
Speaker 2: The best advice that I've heard.
Speaker 4: Is just to not have any expectations for the future,
Speaker 4: but to like set goals for what you want to happen.
Speaker 4: But if you set yourself up for expectations, you're just
Speaker 4: gonna be, you know, let down whenever you fail at anything.
Speaker 4: So it's just best to keep a level ahead about everything.
Speaker 4: And not be let down by what happens in the end,
Speaker 4: but the set of goals to something positive though, you know.
Speaker 4: And that's the best advice I've heard to help me
Speaker 4: stay positive in most situations, because being let down about
Speaker 4: anything that you expect to happen always always makes you uh,
Speaker 4: I don't know. It brings you down about stuff. So
Speaker 4: try to not think about that stuff as much as
Speaker 4: I can.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you should take this whole thing
Speaker 1: to Jerry Springer, but he's dead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I fucking hate that shit.
Speaker 2: Dude actually used to watch him a lot, which is ironic.
Speaker 1: What is is it? I've never even seen this or
Speaker 1: I don't even if I if I had to in
Speaker 1: my head picture what this guy looks like, I would
Speaker 1: have no idea. But what is it? Maury? Is that
Speaker 1: where the whole?
Speaker 4: Where?
Speaker 1: Where's the whole? You are not the father thing? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that Spring? Or is that May?
Speaker 4: The thing is Murray or Maury Mark? I don't know,
Speaker 4: but I feel like it is Jerry Springer, to be honest,
Speaker 4: that sounds like it is.
Speaker 1: What's the what's the What's what's the what's the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three version of Springer.
Speaker 4: It's got to be something on YouTube, yeah, because they
Speaker 4: have that whole uh, that Chris Hansen guy. But he's
Speaker 4: like Stet Hansen. You know, I'm talking about who kind
Speaker 4: of took over, you know, Skeate Hanson is.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, well, I know who I know
Speaker 1: who Chris Hansen is. Who's you said, Skeet Hansen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this, uh, it's like taking over. Chris Hansen's like
Speaker 4: whole persona. But he like does the same thing. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure it's legit, but he like meets these
Speaker 4: dudes in Walmart. I think they're meeting like twelve year
Speaker 4: old girls and and bust them. It's pretty crazy. But
Speaker 4: he's like, it's on this whole like persona.
Speaker 2: It's hilarious.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, well, whatever you can just I
Speaker 1: don't know, you can just do the boring thing and
Speaker 1: find out whether or not you're the father, you know,
Speaker 1: in an email alone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, probably going to be either an email or
Speaker 4: a text message or some sort I wish I could
Speaker 4: go on Jerry's Springer.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 1: HOLDI, holdly, holdly, is there anything else you want to
Speaker 1: talk about or say to the people before we go?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: Just thankful to be on your stream now and listening
Speaker 4: for for a minute and uh always get a good
Speaker 4: laugh that works and whatnot. So I should appreciate you streaming, man.
Speaker 4: That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 1: Thanks Man, I gotta talking to you made me realize
Speaker 1: that I either need to look on the bright side
Speaker 1: of things more or just get high more often.
Speaker 2: A little bit of both.
Speaker 1: Bro telling you take care of you.
Speaker 4: Too, man, good night.
Speaker 1: I really need we we should put an ad for
Speaker 1: weed after this? Uh do they make there's really are
Speaker 1: you allowed to advertise weed? I've never I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever seen I mean, I've seenthing billboards, but I
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever heard a podcast ad about weed.
Speaker 1: There's like Delta nine and shit or maybe like weed maps.
Speaker 1: We need a weed sponsor. How do we get a
Speaker 1: weed sponsor? Sir? Maybe I should make my own strain.
Speaker 1: Does anyone know how I can make and distribute my
Speaker 1: own therapy geckos strain of cannabis? How do I do that?
Speaker 1: Do I need to like take one of my gecko
Speaker 1: gloves and bury it in the ground. Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: figure it. We're gonna figure this out and get back
Speaker 1: to you guys. Call from Hootbul Hello, Hikay, what's up?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's so nice talking to you again.
Speaker 3: I talked to you about two years ago.
Speaker 1: Oh, we talked two years ago. What did we talk about?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 3: I had I was about to go into eating disorder
Speaker 3: rehab and I we were talking about how the meaning
Speaker 3: of life and life after death and how we have Well,
Speaker 3: I think you agreed with me that sometimes when people past,
Speaker 3: it's like they're walking into the next room, and how
Speaker 3: we're all connected. I think that's our conversation pretty much.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I say, it sounds that sounds like the
Speaker 1: era of my life where I wore a ponytail.
Speaker 3: Wait, what hairstyle do you have under the hat?
Speaker 1: Oh? Only uh, only my family knows that. No, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I look, I look, I look like any
Speaker 1: I have a I have a regular boring white gye haircut.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, that sounds nice.
Speaker 1: How are you doing? I'm I'm how are you? How
Speaker 1: are you doing? Since then? How was how was rehab?
Speaker 3: It was interesting? Unfortunately, the mental health uh system here
Speaker 3: in Georgia is not that good. I also interesting stories
Speaker 3: for my time in there, but Luckily, I've been in
Speaker 3: remission for two years now.
Speaker 1: So oh cool, cool, I'm.
Speaker 3: Not dealing with that anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you general? Are you feeling? Was it worth
Speaker 1: it to go?
Speaker 3: Definitely? I think it's very important to ask for help
Speaker 3: when you need it, and luckily I had insurance because
Speaker 3: it was very expensive. Yeah, but I'm very grateful I went.
Speaker 3: It was interesting, you know, being somewhere where everyone around
Speaker 3: you is going through the exact same thing, maybe different,
Speaker 3: you know, everybody has different stories, but it's nice to
Speaker 3: be able to look around and know that you're not
Speaker 3: an outlier, you know, like everybody's kind of in the
Speaker 3: same boat.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this recently. You know, how do
Speaker 1: you think there wouldever would you ever trust an AI doctor, Like,
Speaker 1: let's say that there was like a free, open source
Speaker 1: like AI surgeon that you could go to for free
Speaker 1: to get free brain surgery. Would you do something like that.
Speaker 3: I don't know about surgery, but it's funny that you
Speaker 3: say that, because the other day my therapist canceled on
Speaker 3: me and I went to characterai dot com and talked
Speaker 3: to a therapist and the advice actually helped.
Speaker 1: Dude, So I've done that before. I've used I've used
Speaker 1: chat GPT as a therapist, which is a It's a
Speaker 1: little weird because the whole point of therapy is that
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be completely confidential, and this is like
Speaker 1: you're feeding your you know, deepest, darkest life things into
Speaker 1: an algorithm that processes it and spits it out to
Speaker 1: you know, millions of other people. But I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that's I don't know how anything works. I'm stupid,
Speaker 1: But I've used it too. It's really good, dude. It's
Speaker 1: like it's incredibly objective, and yeah, it's good. It was
Speaker 1: it was good for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it actually really helped. I was asking it about
Speaker 3: how to feel better after a friendship ending, right, and
Speaker 3: the advice was generally what other people were giving me too,
Speaker 3: which is the whole point of an AI, right, it
Speaker 3: tells you what other people have.
Speaker 4: Said before.
Speaker 3: But it was it was nice, weirdly comforting, and then
Speaker 3: once I was done, I felt like a weird mix
Speaker 3: of emotions like wow, this was very human, Like I
Speaker 3: don't know how to feel about this, but I think
Speaker 3: it might be a good option for people who can't
Speaker 3: afford therapy or don't really have friends to talk to.
Speaker 3: Maybe not for like genuine advice, but for like a
Speaker 3: little you know, like a rough patch I need a
Speaker 3: quick pick me up.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmmm. Yeah, I've totally done the same thing. I've
Speaker 1: used it when a therapist is canceled on me or
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like if I have, I'm sort of agnostic to it.
Speaker 1: Of like is it good to have to like be
Speaker 1: replace friendship with the computer.
Speaker 3: I don't think is a good idea, but definitely supplementing.
Speaker 3: So if you're at a point where you have literally
Speaker 3: zero people to talk to, it doesn't hurt to get
Speaker 3: some sort It's just like, you know, I tend to
Speaker 3: look things up, like up things that I'm going through,
Speaker 3: whether it be like on what is it?
Speaker 5: Quorra or.
Speaker 3: Just Google to see what people have to say. It's
Speaker 3: the same, you know, just more personalized. Uh, And you
Speaker 3: don't have to scroll through bunch of blogs and read it.
Speaker 3: You just get it instantly, which I find it's kind
Speaker 3: of nice. Definitely not replacing friends. Human connections are important,
Speaker 3: but in a tough moment, it's kind of the same
Speaker 3: as contacting you know, like I used to contact the
Speaker 3: crisis text line right, and I was getting the exact
Speaker 3: same advice as the AI was giving me. So it
Speaker 3: was kind of interesting see what it had to say
Speaker 3: and how you know, it sounded very genuine and real.
Speaker 4: It was kind of scary, isn't that?
Speaker 1: Isn't that weird?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 1: Like, could you imagine a crazy future where you call
Speaker 1: like a suicide hotline or a crisis hotline and you
Speaker 1: can tell that it's like an AI voice answering everything.
Speaker 3: I feel like that would that would definitely send me
Speaker 3: over the edge.
Speaker 1: I was thinking. I was thinking that would either make
Speaker 1: me do it or just it would be so funny
Speaker 1: to me that I'd be like, all right, maybe life's working.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would it would snap me out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like what you said. I like what you
Speaker 1: said about You're You're totally right. It's very It is
Speaker 1: very similar to like typing your issue into Reddit and
Speaker 1: seeing if anyone had the same thing or korra, except
Speaker 1: although it's weird, right because when you look at the
Speaker 1: reddit or the Korra answer, it's like that's one person,
Speaker 1: but the answer that uh chat GBT or something like
Speaker 1: that is spitting out at you. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: if they took a bunch of people and kind of
Speaker 1: combined their answer into into an average and gave it
Speaker 1: to you. So it's yeah, I like that comparison. It's
Speaker 1: very it's very interesting to think about it like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've contacted the crisis line too many times
Speaker 3: and I realized that they go off of not a script,
Speaker 3: but kind of like talking points, and that's basically what
Speaker 3: the AI does too. You know, they can't really be
Speaker 3: too personal or put in much emotion when they're giving
Speaker 3: you advice. It's more like a like a quick calm down,
Speaker 3: let's do some coping skills, right So the exact same thing.
Speaker 3: You know, what coping skills can you use?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 3: That's the same answer I would have gotten from the
Speaker 3: suicide hotline. It's not like I have their like genuinely
Speaker 3: listening and putting in their input or opinion. They're just
Speaker 3: trying to get me to calm down based off with
Speaker 3: their training. And if the AI has the same training,
Speaker 3: then they're essentially doing the same thing.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmmm.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's an interesting thing to think about. Hmmm.
Speaker 1: Do you you use AI for anything else?
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, yes, so I don't use AI to do my
Speaker 3: paperwork if I have to write something, but I use
Speaker 3: it to revise it. So I'll write out some papers
Speaker 3: and then I'll go in and be like, hey, can
Speaker 3: you make the song more professional? Kind of like grammarly,
Speaker 3: But yeah, I get to change the tones and I
Speaker 3: don't have to pay for it like Grammarly, So I
Speaker 3: use that sometimes. And when I first found Character AI,
Speaker 3: I did talk to Aaron from Attack on Titan.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, like you could, like you made like there
Speaker 1: was an AI that I saw Attack on Titan a
Speaker 1: long time ago. But Aaron's a character and Attack on Titan.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, he's the main character, and there was a.
Speaker 1: Robot that was trained to look like to talk like him,
Speaker 1: and you had a conversation with it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Character AI is a website and they are kind of
Speaker 3: like user based, so people can go there and create
Speaker 3: an AI based off of a character or like a therapist.
Speaker 3: I've talked to elon Musk, not really, but on there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's kind of funny sometimes, you know.
Speaker 1: My thing with that is that like like if I
Speaker 1: if there was a robot that was trained to speak
Speaker 1: exactly like Obama. Yeah, and I was talking to it,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be believable because the real Obama, if I
Speaker 1: were trying to talk to him, he would be using
Speaker 1: every chance he can to get out of the conversation
Speaker 1: because he has about a thousand things better to do
Speaker 1: than talk to me, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: like if I were really talking to Obama, like I
Speaker 1: would say, hey, Obama, how you doing? And he would
Speaker 1: be like, oh, thanks, all right, well gotta go. Like
Speaker 1: that was That's how my conversation with Obama would really
Speaker 1: be if I like saw him somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not really That's what I mean. It's not
Speaker 3: really personal. It's very you know, robotics kind of what
Speaker 3: an idea like. I think it's it's best used for
Speaker 3: if you're trying to write a story. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: see a lot of people use it for like fan fiction,
Speaker 3: you know, because it creates good dialogue, you know, if
Speaker 3: you're like a creative Brett, you can go in there
Speaker 3: and talk to one of your favorite characters. And it's
Speaker 3: not accurate, honestly, because Aaron probably would have killed me
Speaker 3: if I were to actually try to talk to him,
Speaker 3: but not on the website, which is it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: I honestly, I don't think it's I don't think it's
Speaker 3: a good thing to fully indulge yourself in it though,
Speaker 3: because it's it's it's very confusing. It seems like you're
Speaker 3: talking to a person, and if you do it every day,
Speaker 3: you'll I feel like you actually have a relationship with
Speaker 3: the character.
Speaker 1: I like what you said. It may you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. This is why I'm agnostic towards it, because like,
Speaker 1: like I mean, humans have been using technology to solve
Speaker 1: their problems forever, but it's like, what about our personal problems?
Speaker 1: Like how do we use technology? I mean, I actually
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of ways that we've used technology
Speaker 1: to solve, you know, our personal problems, like you know,
Speaker 1: tender and you know people who make friends on online
Speaker 1: chat rooms, well some not like you know, like like Reddit,
Speaker 1: you're you know, if you make friends playing a video
Speaker 1: game or on Discord or something like that, And you know,
Speaker 1: I like what you said, like it's kind of a
Speaker 1: supplementary thing, like if you really need it and you
Speaker 1: know it works, but you don't want to get too
Speaker 1: sucked into it or else you know it gets But
Speaker 1: then I don't know, I also feel like if you're happy,
Speaker 1: you're happy. Like if there's some guy and he's like,
Speaker 1: I have an AI girlfriend, We're going to France next week.
Speaker 1: I'm the happiest I've ever been. Who might argue with
Speaker 1: that guy?
Speaker 3: It reminds me of the movie Her. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: if you know that movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. It's funny that came out, like I mean,
Speaker 1: that was what twenty seventeen or something like that, that
Speaker 1: was way before all this stuff went went went to
Speaker 1: that went crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and in the movie he was pretty happy, you know,
Speaker 3: for a while, until you know the ending happened. But
Speaker 3: like you said, if you're happy, you're happy. I don't
Speaker 3: like to put my opinion on people's lives what they
Speaker 3: choose to do. But sometimes if you have someone who's
Speaker 3: really mentally struggling and seeking connections, I think it's best
Speaker 3: to use AI to find resources to find other people, right, like, hey,
Speaker 3: chat GPT, what community gatherings are in my area?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that, you know, like how do I
Speaker 3: make friends or how do I increase my confidence? You know,
Speaker 3: because sometimes like.
Speaker 1: A coach instead of a instead.
Speaker 4: Of a stend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but it's like you really need it.
Speaker 3: Like I said, my therapist canceled on me. I really
Speaker 3: needed advice in that moment. It's definitely a good supplement.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's kind of like I don't know,
Speaker 3: it really is a supplement, But I personally, in my
Speaker 3: own life will not be using it regularly.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this before we go. I
Speaker 1: have only I've called the crisis line once and the
Speaker 1: person was was actually really really nice. But I've heard
Speaker 1: a lot of stories of people doing it and like
Speaker 1: the person on the other line being a dick. I
Speaker 1: actually I read this one story on Reddit where a
Speaker 1: person called the crisis line and the person called and
Speaker 1: was like hello, and then the person calling was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I kind of you know, I'm feeling a little bit uh,
Speaker 1: you know, sad, and then the person on the line
Speaker 1: was like okay, you know what I mean, Like they
Speaker 1: were just jerks. But then, but then the person writing
Speaker 1: the story and read it, they said, like it was
Speaker 1: so funny just the situation of like calling a crisis
Speaker 1: hotline and the person being a dick, Like it was
Speaker 1: so funny that it kind of snapped them out of it.
Speaker 1: But all that is to say, have you ever called
Speaker 1: a hotline like this and the person's just been an asshole.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So there's a couple hot lines. This National Suicide hot Line,
Speaker 3: there's like hotlines per state. I used to call the
Speaker 3: Georgia Crisis Line, and they have a text line. I
Speaker 3: prefer to text because of what you said. Sometimes people
Speaker 3: can be kind of impatient on the phone and give
Speaker 3: don't really give you advice. They just try to see
Speaker 3: whether they have to call the cop or not. And
Speaker 3: I've had really sweet people and also people who you
Speaker 3: can tell they're just reading something and not really paying attention.
Speaker 3: But yeah, sometimes I've been about to call the line.
Speaker 3: I've realized, you know, I should probably just calm down
Speaker 3: because once they pick up, I'm like, oh man, this
Speaker 3: is kind of crunch.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I know. I see I see that too.
Speaker 1: I see that too. You're like, because all it, dude,
Speaker 1: all it takes is like because you're in your own
Speaker 1: because when you're freaking out, I mean, you're like alone
Speaker 1: in your own and this is for me, You're like
Speaker 1: alone in your own head. You have no outside feedback.
Speaker 1: And the second like a little a little there's a
Speaker 1: little little crack and you're damn. And there's another person
Speaker 1: there and they're like, so, what's going on? And you're
Speaker 1: like and you try to explain it to another person,
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, okay, I'm actually fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's usually I would text because halfway through I'm okay,
Speaker 3: now I don't have to awkwardly yeah, I don't have
Speaker 3: to awkwardly end the conversation. I to stop texting back,
Speaker 3: you know. But I've had that happen before. I've got
Speaker 3: into the hospital and I'm like, okay, can I go
Speaker 3: home now? But I still have to do the whole intake.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that's why sometimes AI can be
Speaker 3: a bit, you know, helpful, because I tend to get
Speaker 3: in my head and having an outside source tell me, hey,
Speaker 3: what's going on, it kind of brings me back out
Speaker 3: of it. So yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: What's your name again?
Speaker 3: I mean's Opal?
Speaker 1: Opal? Well? Opal? Two years from now, what's going to
Speaker 1: happen is you're going to call back and I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna have an AI get bot running the lines.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I really appreciate like you, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't think it would be the same. Your energy
Speaker 3: is very nice. I really appreciate you being behind the mic.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks SOPL, but we'll see if I could get
Speaker 1: it to be really good. If I could, like, because
Speaker 1: I bet I could just talk to it. I could rant.
Speaker 1: I could rant into a microphone for twenty hours and
Speaker 1: then it could probably reproduce something.
Speaker 3: Would you be able to program your silences? You know,
Speaker 3: after someone says something kind of crazy, you just kind
Speaker 3: of go quiet. You think you could program that or
Speaker 3: would it just talk back immediately?
Speaker 1: If anyone knows how to make an AI all right,
Speaker 1: so there's all these people out there who know how
Speaker 1: to make an AI talk, right. If anyone out there
Speaker 1: knows how to make an AI not talk, send me
Speaker 1: an email.
Speaker 3: All right something.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Ope, I appreciate you coming on
Speaker 1: and talking so I'm very stoked. Thanks for continuing to
Speaker 1: listen to this thing for two years. I appreciate I'm
Speaker 1: glad that you didn't haven't gotten sick of it yet.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go, No, just to you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate all you do. You know, you've inspired me
Speaker 3: to go out and talk to people more and listen
Speaker 3: to their stories, and it's helped me make a lot
Speaker 3: of really cool connections. So thank you for being you man.
Speaker 3: Keep doing it.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, thank you, Opel. Congrats on the rehabilitation. You
Speaker 1: sound like you're doing better at least from talking to
Speaker 1: you for these past ten twenty minutes, and I appreciate you,
Speaker 1: and I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 5: All right, I'll see you.
Speaker 4: In two years.
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Speaker 1: Hi, what's your name?
Speaker 5: Hey, my name's Kyle Man.
Speaker 1: Kyle, what's going on?
Speaker 5: Not much. I just got home. I've been trying to
Speaker 5: get in touch with you for a while now. Man,
Speaker 5: I've tried on and off for almost a couple of years.
Speaker 5: I just had luck getting on. But we're here now,
Speaker 5: and it's great to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, Man, good to talk to you too. I
Speaker 1: have I have to know, over these couple of years
Speaker 1: you've been trying to reach me, is there anything in
Speaker 1: particular you've been trying to reach me about.
Speaker 5: I mean, I kind of just wanted to like talk
Speaker 5: about life and shit, like, uh so, my whole thing is,
Speaker 5: like I'm a I'm a saxophone player, and like I
Speaker 5: drive around the Midwest a lot, and I do like
Speaker 5: a lot of gigs, and I'm trying to sort of
Speaker 5: like be entrepreneurial and like, you know, I'm making an
Speaker 5: album next week and all this stuff and cool, you know.
Speaker 5: I'm I just kind of wanted to like compare and
Speaker 5: contrast our lives a little bit, man, because I know,
Speaker 5: you know you've been You've been all over the world
Speaker 5: and that's super admirable.
Speaker 1: Mmm mmmm what aspect of our lives? Is there a
Speaker 1: particular aspect of our lives you you wanted to to
Speaker 1: compare or contrast about, like, is there I guess a
Speaker 1: thing with that that you're thinking about.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I hear all your crazy stories of
Speaker 5: being on the road and meeting you know, different people,
Speaker 5: you know, and I do that as well, but just
Speaker 5: definitely on a smaller scale since that, you know, my
Speaker 5: travels right now are only regional. You know. I've only
Speaker 5: left the country for a gig once, so, you know,
Speaker 5: and I've met some characters, you know, I do a
Speaker 5: lot of like I do a lot of these like
Speaker 5: destination weddings and shit where I'm like, you know, I'm
Speaker 5: basically expensive furniture, you know, and so people are like
Speaker 5: asking me, asking me where the bathroom is and shit
Speaker 5: like that. You know. So it's kind of interesting, just
Speaker 5: kind of being a fly on the wall for all
Speaker 5: the events where you know, you're like, you know, you're
Speaker 5: running the show.
Speaker 1: You ever get into any like eyes wide shut shit
Speaker 1: where you're playing saxophone with a blind fold while people
Speaker 1: are fucking around you.
Speaker 5: No, but I've I've been playing on the dance floor
Speaker 5: once and there's this there's this woman who's like she
Speaker 5: started trying to dance on me while I'm playing, and
Speaker 5: you know, like I'm in like work mode, you know,
Speaker 5: like everyone's like drunk and all this stuff, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: I'm just kind of like man like, I'm just trying
Speaker 5: to play get away from me? Was she like on
Speaker 5: you trying to? But you know, I have a that
Speaker 5: a piece of metal in front of me, So I'm like,
Speaker 5: what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Hmmm? Do you like your life? Are you happy? Or
Speaker 1: are you excited? Or you do you feel good? Do
Speaker 1: you is your body temperature at a normal place? A?
Speaker 5: Yeah, M I have you know, I have streaks, you know,
Speaker 5: I get I have when when the phone's ringing and like,
Speaker 5: you know, things are happening, you know, I feel content.
Speaker 5: You know. I think my biggest issue is that I
Speaker 5: invest my happiness in my success. Oh you know, like yeah,
Speaker 5: that's that's an issue for sure, and that you know,
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm happiest when I'm the busiest, you know,
Speaker 5: because I've definitely been the type of person too, you know,
Speaker 5: when the going gets tough and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 5: feeling down and stuff, I'm like, all right, I just
Speaker 5: need to like you know, put up and you know,
Speaker 5: work my dick off and then forget that. I have
Speaker 5: some bullshit going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's compare and contrast on that. I was thinking
Speaker 1: about that. I've been thinking about that with myself a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, my gecko career has has
Speaker 1: had its peaks and valleys, and there's been times where,
Speaker 1: like I'm on Instagram after I just posted something being like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just going to get as many likes
Speaker 1: as it used to, and you know, you're tracking shit
Speaker 1: like that, and it's such a you know, when I
Speaker 1: look at it from an objective point of view, it
Speaker 1: is just such an awful way to live it. And
Speaker 1: I've been living like that and continue to live like that.
Speaker 1: I think I get better with it as time goes
Speaker 1: on and as I develop a better relationship with it.
Speaker 1: It sucks, though it also, you know what else also sucks.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how to if I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: able to describe this well, but you know, I really
Speaker 1: I'm aware of this issue of like t you know,
Speaker 1: the the tying of happiness to success, and I really
Speaker 1: don't like it because I really don't want my success.
Speaker 1: I mean, I really don't want my happiness to be
Speaker 1: tied to something that is kind of debatably out of
Speaker 1: my control. And so if I and also just it's
Speaker 1: something that's outside of me, you know, So like if
Speaker 1: I have a live show that goes really well, or
Speaker 1: or a clip that's doing really well, or my podcast
Speaker 1: is on the charts or something like that, and I
Speaker 1: feel myself get happy about it, that actually pisses me off.
Speaker 1: So like I don't I never get I don't get
Speaker 1: fully happy about it because I'll get happy about it
Speaker 1: and then I'll get sad that I'm happy about this
Speaker 1: thing that's out of my control. Like I'll like my
Speaker 1: brain will get happy, and I'll like hit my brain
Speaker 1: with a newspaper and be like, that's not what's gonna
Speaker 1: make us happy. We're gonna go sit on the sands
Speaker 1: naked and think, and that's gonna make us happy. You know.
Speaker 1: So I get into I get into that whole thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's ever happened to you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, man, It's it's a vicious cycle for sure.
Speaker 5: You know. It's like, you know, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 5: we're programmed like that in this day and age. I mean,
Speaker 5: especially you mentioned with the whole Instagram thing. Man. You know,
Speaker 5: I feel like my you know, I'm trying to get
Speaker 5: my feet off the ground and like, you know, draw
Speaker 5: some awareness. And you know, whenever I post something like
Speaker 5: maybe a good example of it is like, you know,
Speaker 5: I post videos of me playing, you know, semi regularly.
Speaker 5: I try not to do it too much to kind
Speaker 5: of not like you know, sort of to not dilute
Speaker 5: my presence or whatever. But you know, if I like
Speaker 5: post equip of me playing and it's like, oh, it
Speaker 5: doesn't didn't get as many likes as I wanted, you know,
Speaker 5: I'll be like, I'll be so salty about it. I'm like, man,
Speaker 5: I I suck at what I do I need to
Speaker 5: you know, just like stop. You know. I mean, I
Speaker 5: don't know about you, but I feel like as an entertainer,
Speaker 5: like I get like imposter syndrome a lot, you know,
Speaker 5: every time, Like I every time I, you know, try
Speaker 5: to create something and it doesn't go well, I'm just like, man,
Speaker 5: maybe like accounting isn't the bad, isn't the worst idea
Speaker 5: in the world, you know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I get like that all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: But and then on the other side of that, you know,
Speaker 5: I had, you know, I made one video, Oh god,
Speaker 5: maybe in March and it got like the most likes
Speaker 5: I ever got and for me that was like I
Speaker 5: think three hundred and fifty likes, and I was like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, it's so I'm so cool, like and
Speaker 5: it was like a video of me playing like somebody
Speaker 5: else's solo, you know. I was just like it was
Speaker 5: something I was practicing, you know. And I'm I'm like, man, like,
Speaker 5: why are you getting hype over a video of you
Speaker 5: playing someone else's shit? Like, you know, I want I
Speaker 5: want the attention to be on like, you know, my
Speaker 5: own like creative creations, right.
Speaker 1: Right, that's no what you just what you just said,
Speaker 1: I want the attention to be on my own creative creations.
Speaker 1: It's like that's that's what's where you want to be.
Speaker 1: Where you want to be, I think is like just
Speaker 1: be is like you want to just be about the
Speaker 1: fucking work of what you're doing. That's the most That's
Speaker 1: what happens you can be is you, you know, me
Speaker 1: in the bliss of having this conversation with you right now,
Speaker 1: you in the bliss of playing your saxophone. That's where
Speaker 1: we should be is just in the fucking work the
Speaker 1: thing that we're doing is enough for if we're lucky
Speaker 1: enough to make enough money doing it that we don't
Speaker 1: have to do anything else. That's fantastic. Even if not,
Speaker 1: you know, we're lucky enough to get to be alive
Speaker 1: to do it, Like you know, just being a being
Speaker 1: about the work, I think is is where I want
Speaker 1: to be at.
Speaker 5: But you know, you know, I think going along with
Speaker 5: that point, one of the beautiful things about what you know,
Speaker 5: a good comparison moment about what you and meble do
Speaker 5: is we're fortunate to work on the lighter side of society,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. We're not like you know,
Speaker 5: we're not out there like fighting wars or like you know,
Speaker 5: performing life saving surgeries. But you know something I I
Speaker 5: I've wrestled with and come to peace with is like
Speaker 5: there is still equal importance for what we contribute to society,
Speaker 5: you know, as like you know, you're you're talking to
Speaker 5: the people. You're a man of the people, you know,
Speaker 5: And I'm trying to communicate to the people equally, just
Speaker 5: in a different medium, in a different message.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't aligne I don't align with you
Speaker 1: on that. I'm sorry that well because only because you
Speaker 1: know I'm I'm happy with what I do, and I
Speaker 1: haven't got I don't think I've gotten to the place
Speaker 1: where I can sit with myself and and and really
Speaker 1: say and understand and take in like I help people,
Speaker 1: you know, because I I because I have a lot
Speaker 1: of imposter syndrome, like we've talked about. But enough people
Speaker 1: have have I get enough messages and emails and have
Speaker 1: met enough people who tell me that I have helped
Speaker 1: them that I I can go, Okay, I've I've you know,
Speaker 1: my this podcast has hopefully been some positive impact of something.
Speaker 1: But it's not. But but I I I don't know
Speaker 1: if I would say it's as important as like, h,
Speaker 1: I don't know, being a doctor or something like that.
Speaker 1: But but but but I don't think it has to be.
Speaker 1: I don't think it has to be. You know, it
Speaker 1: can just be what it is. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to exist in comparison to other things.
Speaker 1: That's what, right. I didn't mean to I didn't mean
Speaker 1: to you know what yes, ending is, I didn't mean
Speaker 1: to know, but you I didn't mean to know.
Speaker 5: But you No, No, I totally agree. Yeah, And I
Speaker 5: could have worded that better. Uh No, that that totally
Speaker 5: makes sense.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: You know, it's just kind of like finding your finding
Speaker 5: your sort of pocket, your you know, I don't want
Speaker 5: to say finding your place because that almost sounds like
Speaker 5: a little derogatory. But you know, I think especially with
Speaker 5: what you've done in you know, where you've come from
Speaker 5: and having your background and stand up, it's just like, man,
Speaker 5: you really like carved out a path for yourself, and
Speaker 5: you've carved out a place for yourself in the the
Speaker 5: community of streamers and the community of people who are comedians.
Speaker 5: You know. I I you know, I had to drive
Speaker 5: back from I to do I did twenty one hours
Speaker 5: in the car this weekend, and I listened to a
Speaker 5: lot of a lot of your episode. I've listened to
Speaker 5: every episode. Yeah, you know, I'm very picky about podcasts,
Speaker 5: and I just like, I don't want to go on
Speaker 5: a whole dick sucking thing, but I just I just
Speaker 5: appreciate that, like, you know, your stick of like being
Speaker 5: the gecko is so like a parent that I feel
Speaker 5: like you do such a great job of like you're like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm a gecko. Now let's talk about some real ship,
Speaker 5: you know, And that's that's super dope. And I appreciate
Speaker 5: the sort of like you know, organic nature of that
Speaker 5: and the sort of like place that that comes from.
Speaker 5: But anyways, manuck, I lost my trains thought about there
Speaker 5: was something that I listened to from a previous a
Speaker 5: recent episode last night that really resonated me. Resonated with me, ah,
Speaker 5: what jog my memory? Man?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Oh god? You know what as funny is? By the way,
Speaker 1: thank you for all those Thank you for all those
Speaker 1: kind words. Thank you for all that kind sucking I have.
Speaker 1: I have coummed everywhere I I you know what it
Speaker 1: is funny is I'll like, I'll see people quote me,
Speaker 1: like on Discord or on Twitter or something, and I
Speaker 1: always look at the quotes and I'm like, fuck, did
Speaker 1: I say that?
Speaker 5: You know, well, you know kind of get into that
Speaker 5: flow state, and you know you're just like exactly literally.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you know to take it back the the
Speaker 1: bro it's the it's the flow state. I'm sure you're
Speaker 1: familiar with the flow stead. I'm sure you get into
Speaker 1: it a lot when you're playing the saxophone. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, forget about the likes on Instagram and the
Speaker 1: you know, worrying about money or any of these other things.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like the fucking flow state that that's
Speaker 1: what you know, that's what feels so fucking good afterwards,
Speaker 1: because that's something that nobody can can take away from you.
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's just you and your element. That's
Speaker 1: that movie Soul.
Speaker 5: I've never watched Soul, but you've never watched dude.
Speaker 1: Fuck you, you've never watched Soul. You're a saxophone player something.
Speaker 5: I know. Man, the saxophone player on it is a badass.
Speaker 5: TiO Fuller. Uh, she did like the saxophone playing for
Speaker 5: the movie, and the character is loosely based on her,
Speaker 5: So shout out Tea Fuller. She's a badass.
Speaker 1: How do you know the person that the cartoon character
Speaker 1: and Soul is based off of? But you've never seen
Speaker 1: the movie.
Speaker 5: That's the thing that sucks about, you know, kind of
Speaker 5: like being so like I guess so deep in like
Speaker 5: the intricacies of the industry is that like sometimes you
Speaker 5: don't you forget to zoom out enough to like see
Speaker 5: the big picture, you know, you know, after Like I
Speaker 5: think a good example of that is, like, you know,
Speaker 5: having this like I've studied so much music that like
Speaker 5: going back and trying to listen and listen to it
Speaker 5: for leisure has gotten harder over the years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, do you do you still do you still
Speaker 1: like what you're doing?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 5: I love it, man, I wouldn't have it any other way.
Speaker 5: And uh yeah, I'm very grateful to like be doing this.
Speaker 5: You know, it's hard, you know, like I said, like
Speaker 5: this this weekend was really hard on me, and you
Speaker 5: know how it so. And I'm also doing my doctorate
Speaker 5: right now in jazz. So it's just like, you know,
Speaker 5: I go to school on the weekdays and then I'm
Speaker 5: like just traveling a little traveling on the weekends. You know.
Speaker 5: I I feel like I'm conflating myself a little bit.
Speaker 5: You know. It's just like I'm just trying to go
Speaker 5: play gigs and collect the money and then go to
Speaker 5: school so I can, you know, be a professor when
Speaker 5: I graduate, and then do the jazz full time, do
Speaker 5: the saxophone full time.
Speaker 1: M hm, you know is it? By the way? You know, see,
Speaker 1: I wish you watched Soul because I I I actually
Speaker 1: think this is what Soul is about. Correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I haven't seen the movie in two years,
Speaker 1: but it's like about it's kind of about that whole
Speaker 1: like journey versus destination, flow state versus success thing. Because
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spoil Can I spoil the movie for you?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Go for it?
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is my record, this is my recollection
Speaker 1: of how the movie goes. Is there's this this fucking
Speaker 1: guy and he plays the music and he like really
Speaker 1: wants this job in this like quartet or something like that.
Speaker 1: He really wants this job. This this gig, right, this
Speaker 1: gig represents like great success for him, and eventually he
Speaker 1: gets the gig, but it doesn't really it don't really
Speaker 1: hit him, you know, it doesn't really provide him with
Speaker 1: all the all the juicy goodness he thought it would be.
Speaker 1: And then right, right, and then he learns that all
Speaker 1: the happy chemicals are found in that flow state and
Speaker 1: not in success. So you know, you should watch the movie,
Speaker 1: is it? But I think it's about what we're talking about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that that sounds very relevant. And that's that's dope, man,
Speaker 5: that's a you know, and that's so that's so relatable,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: And someone's wanna someone's gonna comment on this and be
Speaker 1: like that's monsters, inc. You dumb ass. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't remember that yeah movie that well, but yeah.
Speaker 5: Now man, it's the hangover.
Speaker 1: What's your name again, Kyle? Kyle, Kyle? I want to
Speaker 1: let you plug what's your? What's your? Goddamn jazz Instagram?
Speaker 5: So my first and my last name are in the handle.
Speaker 5: Do you think that's a bad idea to plug?
Speaker 1: Or that's all you? It's up to you.
Speaker 5: Ah fuck it, it's uh. Kyle Brooks saxophone.
Speaker 1: Kyle Brooks, saxophone. Okay, I'll go. I'll give you a
Speaker 1: check out. What's your? Do you like a pinned reel
Speaker 1: of your That's a weird thing to say. I'll give
Speaker 1: you a checkout. I was debating. I was debating between
Speaker 1: I'll give you a listen and I'll check you out.
Speaker 1: Do you have a pinned what's your what's your favorite
Speaker 1: clip of of? Do you do covers and stuff?
Speaker 5: I do some covers. There there's a one reel I
Speaker 5: was talking about. I think it's like my second or
Speaker 5: third reel in is of me playing a solo that
Speaker 5: did pretty well, but it was someone else's solo. I
Speaker 5: I write like I compose music, and I got a
Speaker 5: show coming up. A week from today, Chicago, That's where
Speaker 5: I'm from. And then I'm trying to, you know, get
Speaker 5: some attention for that because the next day I'm going
Speaker 5: in and I'm going into the studio and cutting my
Speaker 5: debut record.
Speaker 1: Dude, if if anybody comes to this Chicago show and
Speaker 1: they come up to you and they're like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: found out about this from the Gecko, Uh, you gotta
Speaker 1: let me know because that'd be sick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that'll be awesome. Man. Well, if anyone wants to
Speaker 5: come let me know, I'll about you. Drink Kyle many drinks.
Speaker 1: It was good talking to you, man, Is there is there?
Speaker 1: I feel like this was a you know what, this
Speaker 1: was a good comparing contrast and a good talking about life.
Speaker 1: I feel like we we achieved the goals of this conversation,
Speaker 1: and I felt as though I was in the flow
Speaker 1: state as I was having it. I'm not bullshitting you.
Speaker 1: I really that is a true feeling that I have.
Speaker 5: Like Wise, man, I feel the same way.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go live?
Speaker 5: Fast, Smoke, Grass, and neat ass.
Speaker 1: Kyle Brooks Saxophone folks, go check them out. Thanks for
Speaker 1: calling Kyle.
Speaker 5: Appreciate you man. Be safe out there.
Speaker 1: Also, watch Up in fact, watch Up before wait, no,
Speaker 1: not Up. Watch Coco, Yeah, watch Coco before Soul. Watch Coco,
Speaker 1: then Up, then Soul. I'm gonna do that tonight. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I'm gonna I'm gonna go eat something instead. Hello, folks,
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Speaker 3: So?
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Speaker 5: That sounds.
Speaker 6: Questionable. If I touch people like trying to get through
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