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Speaker 1: Yo, Hello, what's up? Is this?

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Speaker 2: Lyle?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Who's this?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: This is Holdy up?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 1: This is holding Holy holy h o l d u

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Speaker 1: y h oh oh Holdy, what's up? Holdy? What's up?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Now it's hold Holdy is a fake name if

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Speaker 1: I don't really care. Holdly what's going on with you?

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Speaker 1: How's life?

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Speaker 4: It's pretty good, man, I was not expecting.

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Speaker 2: You to call. Well watching the streamer.

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Speaker 4: How's your night going?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: It's going all right? But hey, who gives a fuck

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Speaker 1: about me? Holdy? What's going on? How can I get

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Speaker 1: you today?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I think I I think I texted you

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Speaker 4: earlier about my issue.

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Speaker 2: That I got going on.

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Speaker 4: So I mean you can talk about that, I guess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure, let's do that. Tell me the issue.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, basically, back in January, I figured out that

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Speaker 4: my girlfriend at the time, long story short, we just

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Speaker 4: had a baby and it was his birthday coming up,

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Speaker 4: and right around that time, I started figuring out that

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Speaker 4: she was cheating on me, and come to find out,

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Speaker 2: Out the night before his birthday party.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, so I figured out she cheated on me,

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Speaker 4: and then we broke up and then yeah, so like

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Speaker 4: a month later, she says that she's pregnant, and I'm.

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Speaker 2: Like, okay, well it's got to be got to be

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Speaker 2: the guy that she cheated on me with, you know.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, like I was, I was even

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Speaker 4: doubting that she was even pregnant, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know.

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Speaker 4: And then yeah, we did a DNA test and yeah, basically.

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Speaker 2: We're waiting the results right now.

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Speaker 4: So it's kind of a crazy situation, I guess.

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Speaker 1: All right, so you you and this woman have a

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Speaker 1: kid together, and you found out she was cheating on

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Speaker 1: you a year after the kid was born, and then

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Speaker 1: you found out she was pregnant with another kid, and

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Speaker 1: now you're wondering if this second kid is yours or

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Speaker 1: the guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Man, it's like a tough situation. And the crazier part

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Speaker 4: about it is, in the time that me and her

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Speaker 4: she kind of hit me with the news that she

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Speaker 4: was pregnant while I've been with this other girl. So

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Speaker 4: that's kind of complicated already.

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Speaker 1: Are you. I was literally about to say, please don't

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Speaker 1: tell me you got this girl pregnant too.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, no, this girl, this girl

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Speaker 4: is not pregnant.

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Speaker 1: So oh oh, okay, all right, Okay, you confused me

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Speaker 1: and then you started dating a new girl, and now

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Speaker 1: that girl is pregnant.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, that I was.

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Speaker 1: Okay. You can only handle so many pregnancies.

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Speaker 4: At once, right, right, right, I wouldn't want to take

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Speaker 4: on more than one.

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Speaker 1: All right, So all right, so you're dating a new

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Speaker 1: wondering if this kid who your ex wife.

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Speaker 4: Girlfriends girlfriend, yeah, girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: All right, And now you're wondering if this this kid

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Speaker 1: who your ex girlfriend has is your kid or not?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you, when do you when do you

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Speaker 1: get the results of the DNA test?

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Speaker 4: Should be soon, Like I'm not exactly sure when, but

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Speaker 4: it should be within the next couple of months. Like

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Speaker 4: it's like this whole process, like because she's not even

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Speaker 4: Like I don't even know. It's like this whole thing,

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Speaker 1: Man, mm hm m hmm, Well I have I have

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Speaker 1: two questions. What are you going to do? What are

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Speaker 4: Uh well, obviously, if it is my kid, I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna take care of her like my our other

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Speaker 4: complicated situation between me and Herk's like she's cheated on

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Speaker 4: me and everything. But then if it's not my kid, dude,

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Speaker 4: I don't even know, Like that's like that's the part

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if it's not your kid, then.

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Speaker 2: I mean I guess let's move on, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean you already I mean, look, you

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Speaker 1: have like a whole like agreement? Did you did? Was it?

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Speaker 1: Was it an issue when you broke up with this girl?

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Speaker 4: So yeah, that's we haven't even had any issues with

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Speaker 4: with that at all, Like we didn't go to court

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Speaker 4: not too bad. But yeah, I don't know, it's just

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Speaker 1: I mean, how do you feel about the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: because that's rough, But I mean just from talking to

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Speaker 4: Mean, like I said, the whole thing, the whole breakoup

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Speaker 4: situation happened back in January. Then I didn't figure out

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it's like.

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Speaker 4: She's supposed to have the baby soon. I'm not exactly

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Speaker 1: Was it. It was it tough when you first became

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, Yeah, I had him at a twenty two

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Speaker 4: now because Alison Market's pretty like pretty bad. Also, so

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Speaker 1: You guys didn't combine your finances, did you.

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Speaker 4: Luckily no, because we weren't married, so I kind of

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Speaker 1: So mm hmmm.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 6: How is that.

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Speaker 1: How are things going with the new girl?

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: It's it's like, uh, I feel like I feel like

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Speaker 7: we're we're we have a good relationship, but it's nothing

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of dealing with so I don't even know

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Speaker 1: Bro, what's up with you? You're like, You're like, look, here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. If I were you, if I were in

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Speaker 1: able to handle it. I would crack. And you're over

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Speaker 1: here you seem, you know, like you're full of sunshine.

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Speaker 1: What's up? How are you?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 1: What's going to? What's what chemicals are in your brain

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Speaker 1: right now? Well?

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Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I have been smoking a little tonight,

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Speaker 4: but I usually just keep a positive mind about everything,

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Speaker 4: like as much as I can.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I I also have, like, you know, bad days, just

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Speaker 1: But sure, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like even just talking to

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Speaker 4: don't know, I'll try to find a good in everything.

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Speaker 1: How do you? How do you? How do you stay positive?

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Speaker 2: Just in general, a lot of weed, I'll say that.

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Speaker 4: But also, just like in any situation, I would say,

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Speaker 2: It stays in your head and it's just toxic.

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Speaker 4: So I try to keep try to keep a level

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, hm hmm. What tell me about your life

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Speaker 1: outside of this? If you have a second what do

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Speaker 1: you have a job? Do you have hobbies? What do

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Speaker 1: you what do you do when you're not in an

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Speaker 1: episode of Jerry Springer?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I I deliver for Amazon right now, and

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Speaker 4: I actually listen to a lot of you while I'm

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Speaker 4: fucking delivering. But yeah, I mean hobbies. I go to

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Speaker 4: a lot of concerts. Uh, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I go thirsting a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Do you your kid do anything together? Do you guys?

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Speaker 1: Do you take a stroller through the park or anything

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Speaker 1: like that? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I live, Uh, I live kind of in the woods, so.

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Speaker 2: Like we'd be doing nature walks here and there, and.

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Speaker 4: I take him to like the river and stuff and

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Speaker 4: just like parks and whatnot. It's pretty fun. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I take him to the mall sometimes too. He just

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Speaker 1: You know, how was it? How was it like that

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Speaker 1: first year with your ex? Like is it is it?

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Speaker 1: Is it harder now that you're sort of like doing

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, I I do live with Like

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Speaker 4: I said, I live with my mom, so I do

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I fucking hate that shit.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, well, whatever you can just I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, probably going to be either an email or

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Speaker 5: Again.

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Speaker 1: HOLDI, holdly, holdly, is there anything else you want to

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Speaker 4: Just thankful to be on your stream now and listening

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Speaker 1: Bro telling you take care of you.

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Speaker 4: Too, man, good night.

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Speaker 1: I really need we we should put an ad for

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Speaker 1: to you guys. Call from Hootbul Hello, Hikay, what's up?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's so nice talking to you again.

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Speaker 3: I talked to you about two years ago.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we talked two years ago. What did we talk about?

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 3: I think you agreed with me that sometimes when people past,

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I say, it sounds that sounds like the

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Speaker 1: Oh? Only uh, only my family knows that. No, I

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? I'm I'm how are you? How

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Speaker 3: It was interesting? Unfortunately, the mental health uh system here

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Speaker 3: Definitely? I think it's very important to ask for help

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this recently. You know, how do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it actually really helped. I was asking it about

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Speaker 3: You just get it instantly, which I find it's kind

445
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 3: of nice. Definitely not replacing friends. Human connections are important,

446
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: but in a tough moment, it's kind of the same

447
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 3: as contacting you know, like I used to contact the

448
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 3: crisis text line right, and I was getting the exact

449
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 3: same advice as the AI was giving me. So it

450
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: was kind of interesting see what it had to say

451
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 3: and how you know, it sounded very genuine and real.

452
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 4: It was kind of scary, isn't that?

453
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: Isn't that weird?

454
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 3: That?

455
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: Like, could you imagine a crazy future where you call

456
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: like a suicide hotline or a crisis hotline and you

457
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: can tell that it's like an AI voice answering everything.

458
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 3: I feel like that would that would definitely send me

459
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 3: over the edge.

460
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: I was thinking. I was thinking that would either make

461
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: me do it or just it would be so funny

462
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: to me that I'd be like, all right, maybe life's working.

463
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would it would snap me out of it.

464
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like what you said. I like what you

465
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: said about You're You're totally right. It's very It is

466
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: very similar to like typing your issue into Reddit and

467
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: seeing if anyone had the same thing or korra, except

468
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: although it's weird, right because when you look at the

469
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: reddit or the Korra answer, it's like that's one person,

470
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: but the answer that uh chat GBT or something like

471
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: that is spitting out at you. It's like it's like

472
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: if they took a bunch of people and kind of

473
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: combined their answer into into an average and gave it

474
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: to you. So it's yeah, I like that comparison. It's

475
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: very it's very interesting to think about it like that.

476
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've contacted the crisis line too many times

477
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: and I realized that they go off of not a script,

478
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 3: but kind of like talking points, and that's basically what

479
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: the AI does too. You know, they can't really be

480
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: too personal or put in much emotion when they're giving

481
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: you advice. It's more like a like a quick calm down,

482
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: let's do some coping skills, right So the exact same thing.

483
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 3: You know, what coping skills can you use?

484
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: Right now?

485
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: That's the same answer I would have gotten from the

486
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: suicide hotline. It's not like I have their like genuinely

487
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: listening and putting in their input or opinion. They're just

488
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 3: trying to get me to calm down based off with

489
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: their training. And if the AI has the same training,

490
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: then they're essentially doing the same thing.

491
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmmm.

492
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.

493
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's an interesting thing to think about. Hmmm.

494
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: Do you you use AI for anything else?

495
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, yes, so I don't use AI to do my

496
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: paperwork if I have to write something, but I use

497
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: it to revise it. So I'll write out some papers

498
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: and then I'll go in and be like, hey, can

499
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: you make the song more professional? Kind of like grammarly,

500
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, I get to change the tones and I

501
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 3: don't have to pay for it like Grammarly, So I

502
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: use that sometimes. And when I first found Character AI,

503
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 3: I did talk to Aaron from Attack on Titan.

504
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: Oh wait, like you could, like you made like there

505
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: was an AI that I saw Attack on Titan a

506
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: long time ago. But Aaron's a character and Attack on Titan.

507
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, he's the main character, and there was a.

508
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: Robot that was trained to look like to talk like him,

509
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 1: and you had a conversation with it.

510
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 5: Yeah.

511
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: Character AI is a website and they are kind of

512
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: like user based, so people can go there and create

513
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 3: an AI based off of a character or like a therapist.

514
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 3: I've talked to elon Musk, not really, but on there. Yeah,

515
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: so it's kind of funny sometimes, you know.

516
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: My thing with that is that like like if I

517
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 1: if there was a robot that was trained to speak

518
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: exactly like Obama. Yeah, and I was talking to it,

519
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be believable because the real Obama, if I

520
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: were trying to talk to him, he would be using

521
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: every chance he can to get out of the conversation

522
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: because he has about a thousand things better to do

523
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: than talk to me, you know what I'm saying. So,

524
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: like if I were really talking to Obama, like I

525
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: would say, hey, Obama, how you doing? And he would

526
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: be like, oh, thanks, all right, well gotta go. Like

527
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: that was That's how my conversation with Obama would really

528
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: be if I like saw him somewhere.

529
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not really That's what I mean. It's not

530
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: really personal. It's very you know, robotics kind of what

531
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 3: an idea like. I think it's it's best used for

532
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: if you're trying to write a story. Yeah, yeah, I

533
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: see a lot of people use it for like fan fiction,

534
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: you know, because it creates good dialogue, you know, if

535
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: you're like a creative Brett, you can go in there

536
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: and talk to one of your favorite characters. And it's

537
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: not accurate, honestly, because Aaron probably would have killed me

538
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: if I were to actually try to talk to him,

539
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: but not on the website, which is it's pretty cool.

540
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: I honestly, I don't think it's I don't think it's

541
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: a good thing to fully indulge yourself in it though,

542
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: because it's it's it's very confusing. It seems like you're

543
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: talking to a person, and if you do it every day,

544
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: you'll I feel like you actually have a relationship with

545
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: the character.

546
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: I like what you said. It may you know, I

547
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: don't know. This is why I'm agnostic towards it, because like,

548
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: like I mean, humans have been using technology to solve

549
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: their problems forever, but it's like, what about our personal problems?

550
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: Like how do we use technology? I mean, I actually

551
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of ways that we've used technology

552
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: to solve, you know, our personal problems, like you know,

553
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: tender and you know people who make friends on online

554
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: chat rooms, well some not like you know, like like Reddit,

555
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: you're you know, if you make friends playing a video

556
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: game or on Discord or something like that, And you know,

557
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: I like what you said, like it's kind of a

558
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: supplementary thing, like if you really need it and you

559
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: know it works, but you don't want to get too

560
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: sucked into it or else you know it gets But

561
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: then I don't know, I also feel like if you're happy,

562
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: you're happy. Like if there's some guy and he's like,

563
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: I have an AI girlfriend, We're going to France next week.

564
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm the happiest I've ever been. Who might argue with

565
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: that guy?

566
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: It reminds me of the movie Her. I'm not sure

567
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: if you know that movie.

568
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. It's funny that came out, like I mean,

569
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: that was what twenty seventeen or something like that, that

570
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: was way before all this stuff went went went to

571
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 1: that went crazy.

572
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and in the movie he was pretty happy, you know,

573
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: for a while, until you know the ending happened. But

574
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: like you said, if you're happy, you're happy. I don't

575
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 3: like to put my opinion on people's lives what they

576
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: choose to do. But sometimes if you have someone who's

577
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: really mentally struggling and seeking connections, I think it's best

578
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: to use AI to find resources to find other people, right, like, hey,

579
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: chat GPT, what community gatherings are in my area?

580
00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 5: Yeah?

581
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: Or yeah?

582
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that, you know, like how do I

583
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: make friends or how do I increase my confidence? You know,

584
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: because sometimes like.

585
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: A coach instead of a instead.

586
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 4: Of a stend.

587
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but it's like you really need it.

588
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: Like I said, my therapist canceled on me. I really

589
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: needed advice in that moment. It's definitely a good supplement.

590
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's kind of like I don't know,

591
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: it really is a supplement, But I personally, in my

592
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: own life will not be using it regularly.

593
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this before we go. I

594
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: have only I've called the crisis line once and the

595
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: person was was actually really really nice. But I've heard

596
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: a lot of stories of people doing it and like

597
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: the person on the other line being a dick. I

598
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: actually I read this one story on Reddit where a

599
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: person called the crisis line and the person called and

600
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: was like hello, and then the person calling was like, hey,

601
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: I kind of you know, I'm feeling a little bit uh,

602
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, sad, and then the person on the line

603
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: was like okay, you know what I mean, Like they

604
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: were just jerks. But then, but then the person writing

605
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: the story and read it, they said, like it was

606
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: so funny just the situation of like calling a crisis

607
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: hotline and the person being a dick, Like it was

608
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: so funny that it kind of snapped them out of it.

609
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: But all that is to say, have you ever called

610
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: a hotline like this and the person's just been an asshole.

611
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

612
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: So there's a couple hot lines. This National Suicide hot Line,

613
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: there's like hotlines per state. I used to call the

614
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: Georgia Crisis Line, and they have a text line. I

615
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: prefer to text because of what you said. Sometimes people

616
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: can be kind of impatient on the phone and give

617
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 3: don't really give you advice. They just try to see

618
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: whether they have to call the cop or not. And

619
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: I've had really sweet people and also people who you

620
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: can tell they're just reading something and not really paying attention.

621
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, sometimes I've been about to call the line.

622
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: I've realized, you know, I should probably just calm down

623
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 3: because once they pick up, I'm like, oh man, this

624
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 3: is kind of crunch.

625
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I know. I see I see that too.

626
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: I see that too. You're like, because all it, dude,

627
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: all it takes is like because you're in your own

628
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: because when you're freaking out, I mean, you're like alone

629
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: in your own and this is for me, You're like

630
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: alone in your own head. You have no outside feedback.

631
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: And the second like a little a little there's a

632
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 1: little little crack and you're damn. And there's another person

633
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: there and they're like, so, what's going on? And you're

634
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: like and you try to explain it to another person,

635
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, okay, I'm actually fine.

636
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's usually I would text because halfway through I'm okay,

637
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: now I don't have to awkwardly yeah, I don't have

638
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: to awkwardly end the conversation. I to stop texting back,

639
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: you know. But I've had that happen before. I've got

640
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: into the hospital and I'm like, okay, can I go

641
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 3: home now? But I still have to do the whole intake.

642
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that's why sometimes AI can be

643
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 3: a bit, you know, helpful, because I tend to get

644
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: in my head and having an outside source tell me, hey,

645
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 3: what's going on, it kind of brings me back out

646
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: of it. So yeah, it's interesting.

647
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: What's your name again?

648
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: I mean's Opal?

649
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: Opal? Well? Opal? Two years from now, what's going to

650
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: happen is you're going to call back and I'm just

651
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: gonna have an AI get bot running the lines.

652
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: I don't know, I really appreciate like you, you know,

653
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 3: I don't think it would be the same. Your energy

654
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 3: is very nice. I really appreciate you being behind the mic.

655
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: Well, thanks SOPL, but we'll see if I could get

656
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: it to be really good. If I could, like, because

657
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: I bet I could just talk to it. I could rant.

658
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: I could rant into a microphone for twenty hours and

659
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: then it could probably reproduce something.

660
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: Would you be able to program your silences? You know,

661
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Speaker 3: after someone says something kind of crazy, you just kind

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Speaker 3: of go quiet. You think you could program that or

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Speaker 3: would it just talk back immediately?

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Speaker 1: If anyone knows how to make an AI all right,

665
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: so there's all these people out there who know how

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Speaker 1: to make an AI talk, right. If anyone out there

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00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: knows how to make an AI not talk, send me

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Speaker 1: an email.

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Speaker 3: All right something.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Ope, I appreciate you coming on

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Speaker 1: and talking so I'm very stoked. Thanks for continuing to

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00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: listen to this thing for two years. I appreciate I'm

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00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: glad that you didn't haven't gotten sick of it yet.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the

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Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go, No, just to you.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate all you do. You know, you've inspired me

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00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 3: to go out and talk to people more and listen

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Speaker 3: to their stories, and it's helped me make a lot

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Speaker 3: of really cool connections. So thank you for being you man.

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Speaker 3: Keep doing it.

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Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, thank you, Opel. Congrats on the rehabilitation. You

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Speaker 1: sound like you're doing better at least from talking to

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Speaker 1: you for these past ten twenty minutes, and I appreciate you,

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Speaker 1: and I'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 5: All right, I'll see you.

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Speaker 4: In two years.

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Speaker 1: Bye, ople Bye, I am gekbots. Hey guys, it's Lyle here.

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Speaker 4: All from Kyle Yo.

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Speaker 1: Hi, what's your name?

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Speaker 5: Hey, my name's Kyle Man.

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Speaker 1: Kyle, what's going on?

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Speaker 5: Not much. I just got home. I've been trying to

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Speaker 5: get in touch with you for a while now. Man,

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Speaker 5: I've tried on and off for almost a couple of years.

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00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 5: I just had luck getting on. But we're here now,

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Speaker 5: and it's great to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, Man, good to talk to you too. I

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Speaker 1: have I have to know, over these couple of years

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Speaker 1: you've been trying to reach me, is there anything in

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Speaker 1: particular you've been trying to reach me about.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I kind of just wanted to like talk

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Speaker 5: about life and shit, like, uh so, my whole thing is,

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Speaker 5: like I'm a I'm a saxophone player, and like I

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00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 5: drive around the Midwest a lot, and I do like

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Speaker 5: a lot of gigs, and I'm trying to sort of

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Speaker 5: like be entrepreneurial and like, you know, I'm making an

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Speaker 5: album next week and all this stuff and cool, you know.

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Speaker 5: I'm I just kind of wanted to like compare and

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Speaker 5: contrast our lives a little bit, man, because I know,

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Speaker 5: you know you've been You've been all over the world

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Speaker 5: and that's super admirable.

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Speaker 1: Mmm mmmm what aspect of our lives? Is there a

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Speaker 1: particular aspect of our lives you you wanted to to

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Speaker 1: compare or contrast about, like, is there I guess a

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Speaker 1: thing with that that you're thinking about.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, I hear all your crazy stories of

729
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Speaker 5: being on the road and meeting you know, different people,

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Speaker 5: you know, and I do that as well, but just

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Speaker 5: definitely on a smaller scale since that, you know, my

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Speaker 5: travels right now are only regional. You know. I've only

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Speaker 5: left the country for a gig once, so, you know,

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Speaker 5: and I've met some characters, you know, I do a

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Speaker 5: lot of like I do a lot of these like

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Speaker 5: destination weddings and shit where I'm like, you know, I'm

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Speaker 5: basically expensive furniture, you know, and so people are like

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Speaker 5: asking me, asking me where the bathroom is and shit

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Speaker 5: like that. You know. So it's kind of interesting, just

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Speaker 5: kind of being a fly on the wall for all

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Speaker 5: the events where you know, you're like, you know, you're

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Speaker 5: running the show.

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Speaker 1: You ever get into any like eyes wide shut shit

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Speaker 1: where you're playing saxophone with a blind fold while people

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Speaker 1: are fucking around you.

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Speaker 5: No, but I've I've been playing on the dance floor

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Speaker 5: once and there's this there's this woman who's like she

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Speaker 5: started trying to dance on me while I'm playing, and

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Speaker 5: you know, like I'm in like work mode, you know,

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Speaker 5: like everyone's like drunk and all this stuff, and I'm like,

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Speaker 5: I'm just kind of like man like, I'm just trying

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Speaker 5: to play get away from me? Was she like on

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Speaker 5: you trying to? But you know, I have a that

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Speaker 5: a piece of metal in front of me, So I'm like,

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Speaker 5: what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Hmmm? Do you like your life? Are you happy? Or

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Speaker 1: are you excited? Or you do you feel good? Do

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Speaker 1: you is your body temperature at a normal place? A?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, M I have you know, I have streaks, you know,

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Speaker 5: I get I have when when the phone's ringing and like,

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Speaker 5: you know, things are happening, you know, I feel content.

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Speaker 5: You know. I think my biggest issue is that I

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Speaker 5: invest my happiness in my success. Oh you know, like yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's that's an issue for sure, and that you know,

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Speaker 5: I feel like I'm happiest when I'm the busiest, you know,

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Speaker 5: because I've definitely been the type of person too, you know,

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Speaker 5: when the going gets tough and I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 5: feeling down and stuff, I'm like, all right, I just

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Speaker 5: need to like you know, put up and you know,

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Speaker 5: work my dick off and then forget that. I have

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Speaker 5: some bullshit going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's compare and contrast on that. I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about that. I've been thinking about that with myself a lot,

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Speaker 1: you know, because you know, my gecko career has has

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Speaker 1: had its peaks and valleys, and there's been times where,

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Speaker 1: like I'm on Instagram after I just posted something being like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just going to get as many likes

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Speaker 1: as it used to, and you know, you're tracking shit

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00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: like that, and it's such a you know, when I

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Speaker 1: look at it from an objective point of view, it

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Speaker 1: is just such an awful way to live it. And

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Speaker 1: I've been living like that and continue to live like that.

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Speaker 1: I think I get better with it as time goes

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Speaker 1: on and as I develop a better relationship with it.

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Speaker 1: It sucks, though it also, you know what else also sucks.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know how to if I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to describe this well, but you know, I really

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Speaker 1: I'm aware of this issue of like t you know,

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Speaker 1: the the tying of happiness to success, and I really

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Speaker 1: don't like it because I really don't want my success.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I really don't want my happiness to be

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Speaker 1: tied to something that is kind of debatably out of

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Speaker 1: my control. And so if I and also just it's

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Speaker 1: something that's outside of me, you know, So like if

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Speaker 1: I have a live show that goes really well, or

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Speaker 1: or a clip that's doing really well, or my podcast

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Speaker 1: is on the charts or something like that, and I

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Speaker 1: feel myself get happy about it, that actually pisses me off.

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Speaker 1: So like I don't I never get I don't get

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Speaker 1: fully happy about it because I'll get happy about it

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Speaker 1: and then I'll get sad that I'm happy about this

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Speaker 1: thing that's out of my control. Like I'll like my

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Speaker 1: brain will get happy, and I'll like hit my brain

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Speaker 1: with a newspaper and be like, that's not what's gonna

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Speaker 1: make us happy. We're gonna go sit on the sands

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Speaker 1: naked and think, and that's gonna make us happy. You know.

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Speaker 1: So I get into I get into that whole thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's ever happened to you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, man, It's it's a vicious cycle for sure.

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Speaker 5: You know. It's like, you know, I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 5: we're programmed like that in this day and age. I mean,

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Speaker 5: especially you mentioned with the whole Instagram thing. Man. You know,

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Speaker 5: I feel like my you know, I'm trying to get

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Speaker 5: my feet off the ground and like, you know, draw

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Speaker 5: some awareness. And you know, whenever I post something like

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Speaker 5: maybe a good example of it is like, you know,

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Speaker 5: I post videos of me playing, you know, semi regularly.

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Speaker 5: I try not to do it too much to kind

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Speaker 5: of not like you know, sort of to not dilute

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Speaker 5: my presence or whatever. But you know, if I like

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Speaker 5: post equip of me playing and it's like, oh, it

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Speaker 5: doesn't didn't get as many likes as I wanted, you know,

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Speaker 5: I'll be like, I'll be so salty about it. I'm like, man,

824
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Speaker 5: I I suck at what I do I need to

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Speaker 5: you know, just like stop. You know. I mean, I

826
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Speaker 5: don't know about you, but I feel like as an entertainer,

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Speaker 5: like I get like imposter syndrome a lot, you know,

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Speaker 5: every time, Like I every time I, you know, try

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Speaker 5: to create something and it doesn't go well, I'm just like, man,

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Speaker 5: maybe like accounting isn't the bad, isn't the worst idea

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Speaker 5: in the world, you know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I get like that all the time.

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00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 5: But and then on the other side of that, you know,

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Speaker 5: I had, you know, I made one video, Oh god,

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Speaker 5: maybe in March and it got like the most likes

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Speaker 5: I ever got and for me that was like I

838
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Speaker 5: think three hundred and fifty likes, and I was like,

839
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Speaker 5: oh my god, it's so I'm so cool, like and

840
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Speaker 5: it was like a video of me playing like somebody

841
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Speaker 5: else's solo, you know. I was just like it was

842
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 5: something I was practicing, you know. And I'm I'm like, man, like,

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00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 5: why are you getting hype over a video of you

844
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Speaker 5: playing someone else's shit? Like, you know, I want I

845
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 5: want the attention to be on like, you know, my

846
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 5: own like creative creations, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's no what you just what you just said,

848
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Speaker 1: I want the attention to be on my own creative creations.

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Speaker 1: It's like that's that's what's where you want to be.

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Speaker 1: Where you want to be, I think is like just

851
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: be is like you want to just be about the

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Speaker 1: fucking work of what you're doing. That's the most That's

853
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Speaker 1: what happens you can be is you, you know, me

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Speaker 1: in the bliss of having this conversation with you right now,

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Speaker 1: you in the bliss of playing your saxophone. That's where

856
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: we should be is just in the fucking work the

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Speaker 1: thing that we're doing is enough for if we're lucky

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Speaker 1: enough to make enough money doing it that we don't

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Speaker 1: have to do anything else. That's fantastic. Even if not,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're lucky enough to get to be alive

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Speaker 1: to do it, Like you know, just being a being

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00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: about the work, I think is is where I want

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Speaker 1: to be at.

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Speaker 5: But you know, you know, I think going along with

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Speaker 5: that point, one of the beautiful things about what you know,

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Speaker 5: a good comparison moment about what you and meble do

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Speaker 5: is we're fortunate to work on the lighter side of society,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean. We're not like you know,

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Speaker 5: we're not out there like fighting wars or like you know,

870
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Speaker 5: performing life saving surgeries. But you know something I I

871
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 5: I've wrestled with and come to peace with is like

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Speaker 5: there is still equal importance for what we contribute to society,

873
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Speaker 5: you know, as like you know, you're you're talking to

874
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 5: the people. You're a man of the people, you know,

875
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 5: And I'm trying to communicate to the people equally, just

876
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 5: in a different medium, in a different message.

877
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: You know, I don't aligne I don't align with you

878
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: on that. I'm sorry that well because only because you

879
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: know I'm I'm happy with what I do, and I

880
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: haven't got I don't think I've gotten to the place

881
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: where I can sit with myself and and and really

882
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: say and understand and take in like I help people,

883
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: you know, because I I because I have a lot

884
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: of imposter syndrome, like we've talked about. But enough people

885
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: have have I get enough messages and emails and have

886
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: met enough people who tell me that I have helped

887
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: them that I I can go, Okay, I've I've you know,

888
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: my this podcast has hopefully been some positive impact of something.

889
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: But it's not. But but I I I don't know

890
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: if I would say it's as important as like, h,

891
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, being a doctor or something like that.

892
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: But but but but I don't think it has to be.

893
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: I don't think it has to be. You know, it

894
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: can just be what it is. It doesn't have to

895
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to exist in comparison to other things.

896
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: That's what, right. I didn't mean to I didn't mean

897
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: to you know what yes, ending is, I didn't mean

898
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: to know, but you I didn't mean to know.

899
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 5: But you No, No, I totally agree. Yeah, And I

900
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 5: could have worded that better. Uh No, that that totally

901
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 5: makes sense.

902
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: Man.

903
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 5: You know, it's just kind of like finding your finding

904
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 5: your sort of pocket, your you know, I don't want

905
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 5: to say finding your place because that almost sounds like

906
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 5: a little derogatory. But you know, I think especially with

907
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 5: what you've done in you know, where you've come from

908
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 5: and having your background and stand up, it's just like, man,

909
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 5: you really like carved out a path for yourself, and

910
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 5: you've carved out a place for yourself in the the

911
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 5: community of streamers and the community of people who are comedians.

912
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 5: You know. I I you know, I had to drive

913
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 5: back from I to do I did twenty one hours

914
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 5: in the car this weekend, and I listened to a

915
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 5: lot of a lot of your episode. I've listened to

916
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 5: every episode. Yeah, you know, I'm very picky about podcasts,

917
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 5: and I just like, I don't want to go on

918
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 5: a whole dick sucking thing, but I just I just

919
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 5: appreciate that, like, you know, your stick of like being

920
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 5: the gecko is so like a parent that I feel

921
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 5: like you do such a great job of like you're like, Okay,

922
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 5: I'm a gecko. Now let's talk about some real ship,

923
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 5: you know, And that's that's super dope. And I appreciate

924
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 5: the sort of like you know, organic nature of that

925
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 5: and the sort of like place that that comes from.

926
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 5: But anyways, manuck, I lost my trains thought about there

927
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 5: was something that I listened to from a previous a

928
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 5: recent episode last night that really resonated me. Resonated with me, ah,

929
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 5: what jog my memory? Man?

930
00:50:59,600 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: What?

931
00:50:59,800 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 3: Uh?

932
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: Oh god? You know what as funny is? By the way,

933
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: thank you for all those Thank you for all those

934
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: kind words. Thank you for all that kind sucking I have.

935
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: I have coummed everywhere I I you know what it

936
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: is funny is I'll like, I'll see people quote me,

937
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: like on Discord or on Twitter or something, and I

938
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: always look at the quotes and I'm like, fuck, did

939
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: I say that?

940
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 5: You know, well, you know kind of get into that

941
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 5: flow state, and you know you're just like exactly literally.

942
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you know to take it back the the

943
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: bro it's the it's the flow state. I'm sure you're

944
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: familiar with the flow stead. I'm sure you get into

945
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: it a lot when you're playing the saxophone. It's like,

946
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, forget about the likes on Instagram and the

947
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: you know, worrying about money or any of these other things.

948
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: It's like it's like the fucking flow state that that's

949
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: what you know, that's what feels so fucking good afterwards,

950
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: because that's something that nobody can can take away from you.

951
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's just you and your element. That's

952
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: that movie Soul.

953
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 5: I've never watched Soul, but you've never watched dude.

954
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: Fuck you, you've never watched Soul. You're a saxophone player something.

955
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 5: I know. Man, the saxophone player on it is a badass.

956
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 5: TiO Fuller. Uh, she did like the saxophone playing for

957
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 5: the movie, and the character is loosely based on her,

958
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 5: So shout out Tea Fuller. She's a badass.

959
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: How do you know the person that the cartoon character

960
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: and Soul is based off of? But you've never seen

961
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: the movie.

962
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 5: That's the thing that sucks about, you know, kind of

963
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 5: like being so like I guess so deep in like

964
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 5: the intricacies of the industry is that like sometimes you

965
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 5: don't you forget to zoom out enough to like see

966
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 5: the big picture, you know, you know, after Like I

967
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 5: think a good example of that is, like, you know,

968
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 5: having this like I've studied so much music that like

969
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 5: going back and trying to listen and listen to it

970
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 5: for leisure has gotten harder over the years.

971
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, do you do you still do you still

972
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: like what you're doing?

973
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 6: Oh?

974
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 5: I love it, man, I wouldn't have it any other way.

975
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 5: And uh yeah, I'm very grateful to like be doing this.

976
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 5: You know, it's hard, you know, like I said, like

977
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 5: this this weekend was really hard on me, and you

978
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 5: know how it so. And I'm also doing my doctorate

979
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 5: right now in jazz. So it's just like, you know,

980
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 5: I go to school on the weekdays and then I'm

981
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 5: like just traveling a little traveling on the weekends. You know.

982
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 5: I I feel like I'm conflating myself a little bit.

983
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 5: You know. It's just like I'm just trying to go

984
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 5: play gigs and collect the money and then go to

985
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 5: school so I can, you know, be a professor when

986
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 5: I graduate, and then do the jazz full time, do

987
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,479
Speaker 5: the saxophone full time.

988
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: M hm, you know is it? By the way? You know, see,

989
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: I wish you watched Soul because I I I actually

990
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: think this is what Soul is about. Correct me if

991
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I haven't seen the movie in two years,

992
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: but it's like about it's kind of about that whole

993
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: like journey versus destination, flow state versus success thing. Because

994
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spoil Can I spoil the movie for you?

995
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 6: Yeah?

996
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 5: Go for it?

997
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is my record, this is my recollection

998
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: of how the movie goes. Is there's this this fucking

999
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: guy and he plays the music and he like really

1000
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: wants this job in this like quartet or something like that.

1001
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: He really wants this job. This this gig, right, this

1002
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: gig represents like great success for him, and eventually he

1003
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: gets the gig, but it doesn't really it don't really

1004
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: hit him, you know, it doesn't really provide him with

1005
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: all the all the juicy goodness he thought it would be.

1006
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: And then right, right, and then he learns that all

1007
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: the happy chemicals are found in that flow state and

1008
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: not in success. So you know, you should watch the movie,

1009
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: is it? But I think it's about what we're talking about.

1010
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, that that sounds very relevant. And that's that's dope, man,

1011
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 5: that's a you know, and that's so that's so relatable,

1012
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 5: you know.

1013
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: And someone's wanna someone's gonna comment on this and be

1014
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: like that's monsters, inc. You dumb ass. I don't. I

1015
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: don't remember that yeah movie that well, but yeah.

1016
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 5: Now man, it's the hangover.

1017
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: What's your name again, Kyle? Kyle, Kyle? I want to

1018
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: let you plug what's your? What's your? Goddamn jazz Instagram?

1019
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 5: So my first and my last name are in the handle.

1020
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 5: Do you think that's a bad idea to plug?

1021
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: Or that's all you? It's up to you.

1022
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 5: Ah fuck it, it's uh. Kyle Brooks saxophone.

1023
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: Kyle Brooks, saxophone. Okay, I'll go. I'll give you a

1024
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: check out. What's your? Do you like a pinned reel

1025
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: of your That's a weird thing to say. I'll give

1026
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: you a checkout. I was debating. I was debating between

1027
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: I'll give you a listen and I'll check you out.

1028
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 1: Do you have a pinned what's your what's your favorite

1029
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 1: clip of of? Do you do covers and stuff?

1030
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 5: I do some covers. There there's a one reel I

1031
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 5: was talking about. I think it's like my second or

1032
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 5: third reel in is of me playing a solo that

1033
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 5: did pretty well, but it was someone else's solo. I

1034
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 5: I write like I compose music, and I got a

1035
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 5: show coming up. A week from today, Chicago, That's where

1036
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 5: I'm from. And then I'm trying to, you know, get

1037
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 5: some attention for that because the next day I'm going

1038
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 5: in and I'm going into the studio and cutting my

1039
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 5: debut record.

1040
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: Dude, if if anybody comes to this Chicago show and

1041
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: they come up to you and they're like, yeah, I

1042
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: found out about this from the Gecko, Uh, you gotta

1043
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: let me know because that'd be sick.

1044
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, that'll be awesome. Man. Well, if anyone wants to

1045
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 5: come let me know, I'll about you. Drink Kyle many drinks.

1046
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: It was good talking to you, man, Is there is there?

1047
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: I feel like this was a you know what, this

1048
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,919
Speaker 1: was a good comparing contrast and a good talking about life.

1049
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: I feel like we we achieved the goals of this conversation,

1050
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: and I felt as though I was in the flow

1051
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: state as I was having it. I'm not bullshitting you.

1052
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: I really that is a true feeling that I have.

1053
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 5: Like Wise, man, I feel the same way.

1054
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the

1055
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go live?

1056
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 5: Fast, Smoke, Grass, and neat ass.

1057
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: Kyle Brooks Saxophone folks, go check them out. Thanks for

1058
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: calling Kyle.

1059
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 5: Appreciate you man. Be safe out there.

1060
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: Also, watch Up in fact, watch Up before wait, no,

1061
00:57:54,920 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: not Up. Watch Coco, Yeah, watch Coco before Soul. Watch Coco,

1062
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: then Up, then Soul. I'm gonna do that tonight. No,

1063
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I'm gonna I'm gonna go eat something instead. Hello, folks,

1064
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: it's Lyle here. That's the end of this episode. But

1065
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: get this, I'm releasing a bonus episode this week. That's right,

1066
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,720
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1067
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: listen to by becoming a premium member of Therapy Gecko

1068
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: over at Therapy Gecko dot supercast dot com. Supercast subscribers

1069
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,400
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1070
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: free podcast feed of the regular show, they get recordings

1071
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: from my live shows, members only streams, and they help

1072
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: support my ability to continue doing this podcast. So here's

1073
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: a clip from this week's members only bonus episode.

1074
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Speaker 6: I like the way it feels to go out and

1075
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 6: scare somebody.

1076
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: Why does that sound appealing to you?

1077
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 3: So?

1078
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 6: I work at a hated house. Me and some of

1079
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 6: the other scare acters were talking about like stuff we

1080
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 6: do in our scenes to mess with people, and I

1081
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 6: brought up that I really liked chasing people down and

1082
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 6: cornering them, and one of the other scare acters were like, mm.

1083
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 5: That sounds.

1084
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 6: Questionable. If I touch people like trying to get through

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Speaker 6: quick so they don't get scared, that's when I like

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Speaker 6: to chase them down.

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Speaker 1: I was actually just at a haunted house and I

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Speaker 1: was doing that. I was like running fast through the

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Speaker 1: thing so that people couldn't scare me, but I knew

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Speaker 1: that it made them want to scare me more.

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Speaker 6: If you'd like I could give you some advice to

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Speaker 6: make yourself less of a target.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will give us some advice on how you

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Speaker 1: can be less of a target at a haunted house.

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Speaker 1: dot supercast dot com or find the link in the

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Speaker 1: episode description that's therapy Gecko dot supercast dot com. All right,

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Speaker 1: I have nothing else to say.

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Speaker 2: It goes on a line, taking your phone calls every night.

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Speaker 1: Everything goes doing it right. Who's teaching you a cloud

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Speaker 1: over your life?

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Speaker 4: But he's not ready an expert