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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast

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Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue.

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Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazier.

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Speaker 2: And before I get to my guest, he's one of

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Speaker 2: my closest friends I've had for quite some time, one

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Speaker 2: of the biggest wedding dress designers of the world.

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Speaker 3: You know what, Blazer and wedding dress designers. Just hold

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Speaker 3: your horses, you'll see, all right.

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Speaker 2: But before that, if you're like many people, you may

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Speaker 2: be just You may be surprised to learn that one

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Speaker 2: in five adults in this country experienced mental illness last year.

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Speaker 2: Your far too many failed to receive the support they need. Caroline,

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Speaker 2: behavioral health is doing something about They understand the behavioral

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Speaker 2: health is a key part of whole health, delivering compassionate care.

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Speaker 2: It treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs in tandem. Carolin,

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Speaker 2: behavioral health raising the quality of life through empathy and action.

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Speaker 2: All right, with that, I want to welcome in a friend,

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Speaker 2: am I. Now that's the most unique way I'm ever

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Speaker 2: going to introduce somebody. This girl is an absolute rock star,

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Speaker 2: complete rock star. She used to be a wedding just designer.

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Speaker 2: She's now doing shoes and I cannot tell you what

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Speaker 2: her real name is because of litigation, which is complete bullshit.

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Speaker 3: She goes by all that glitters on Instagram and she

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Speaker 3: is cheval.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to welcome her ind without mentioning what

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Speaker 2: her name is, which is bullshit because I'm one of

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Speaker 2: your best friends and I can't say your name.

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Speaker 3: It's garbage.

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Speaker 4: I know, I'm so sorry. Weeks it for a creative introduction,

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Speaker 4: you know that does us.

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Speaker 3: Tell me how you got yourself in this position?

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Speaker 2: And I want because look all the girls out there

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Speaker 2: who are trying to champion for themselves to build these businesses.

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Speaker 2: You come across these crossroads and people could take advantage

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Speaker 2: and things that maybe you're so excited at an early

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Speaker 2: age that if you look three years ahead, you go,

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Speaker 2: I never would have signed something like that, and that's

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Speaker 2: what happened to you. So take us through your story.

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Speaker 2: And also you have, despite being in litigation for three years,

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Speaker 2: not being able to use your own name or Instagram

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Speaker 2: or Twitter, still fought back the whole entire time, which

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Speaker 2: is why you're my gangster.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, I love being a part of your community, Jay.

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Speaker 4: And it is a long story, but I'll try to

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Speaker 4: put it in a nutshell. I yeah, okay, I've always

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Speaker 4: wanted to be a wedding dress designer, and when I

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Speaker 4: was twenty five, offered the opportunity to leave my own

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Speaker 4: namesake collection, and that came alongside an employment contract that

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Speaker 4: I signed without counsel, And in that contract, I gave

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Speaker 4: rights for my name to be trademarked for the bridal

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Speaker 4: collection I was designing, and years later that was interpreted

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Speaker 4: broadly in a way that I never imagined. For almost

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Speaker 4: ten years, I put my heart and soul into this brand.

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Speaker 4: I was on a show called Say Yes to the Dress,

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Speaker 4: and there were some really you know, beautiful chapters. I

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Speaker 4: named a dress after you, J I should do.

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Speaker 2: The glazier with a power knit fabric, just to piss

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Speaker 2: off straight ahead in the rock.

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Speaker 3: No other reasons, which Fai and by the way, mission

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Speaker 3: totally accomplished.

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Speaker 4: Oh one of my favorite collections too. But yeah, So

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Speaker 4: over the years, you know, I was taking on a

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Speaker 4: lot of roles and responsibilities, and there was a lot

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Speaker 4: of great opportunities, but things were happening that I felt

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Speaker 4: kind of fell outside of what I considered to be

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Speaker 4: the duties and responsibilities of ahead wedding dress designers. So

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Speaker 4: when my contract was coming to an end, I really

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Speaker 4: came from the place of wanting to renegotiate and make

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Speaker 4: sure that my contract reflected circumstances that really didn't exist

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Speaker 4: at the time of signing my contract.

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Speaker 2: And you had since grown to be the second biggest

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Speaker 2: wedding justice under the world behind very way I never forget.

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Speaker 2: I'm in cobble with Sean Payton and I say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, just we were here with a friend of

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Speaker 2: ours and told him your name, and him and his

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Speaker 2: now bride flipped out that I knew you, Like it

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Speaker 2: wasn't the other way around that you like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: you know Sean Payton.

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Speaker 3: No, no, they couldn't believe that I knew And remember.

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Speaker 2: I got you on a FaceTime with them because they

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Speaker 3: So you've gotten that bit.

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Speaker 4: Yes, oh that was so heartwarming, And honestly, I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: trade a lot for anything in the sense of what's

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Speaker 4: with this enormous disagreement and delta and for over a year,

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Speaker 4: the future would be. And that actually resulted in my

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Speaker 4: former employer suing me in federal court, which, you know,

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Speaker 4: a lawsuit of that nature is something you have to

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Speaker 4: plan for. It's very premeditated, and I was certainly scared

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Speaker 4: and somewhat blindsided by that situation. But within a very

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Speaker 4: short period of time, there was an emergency hearing and

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Speaker 4: I was There was a tro that went into effect,

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Speaker 4: which is a temporary trading order, and in like less

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Speaker 4: than twenty four hours, I had to hand over the

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Speaker 4: passwords of my accounts for Instagram and Pinterest and TikTok.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't use my name to in any business or

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Speaker 4: commerce or even to publicly identify. And now I'm under

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Speaker 4: a five year non compete provision basically that I cannot

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Speaker 4: identify to the trade as a wedding dress designer or

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Speaker 4: in any categories that my former employer manufacturers and sells. So,

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Speaker 4: in a nutshell, I have lost the ability to use

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Speaker 4: my given name and practice my chosen trade. So I've

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Speaker 4: been in this litigation for two and a half years

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Speaker 4: and trying to navigate how do I move on with

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Speaker 3: You lost your name like losing so if you know

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Speaker 3: the air, what end you you?

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Speaker 4: Well, I still have my ID, so I can still,

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Speaker 4: you know, utilize my name in the sense of legality,

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Speaker 4: you know, signing checks and things like that. But if

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Speaker 4: it's ever you know, in the sense of public promotion

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Speaker 4: stolen from you, I mean, there's a lot of ways

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Speaker 4: to really look at it. But I've experienced a lot

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Speaker 4: of grief, I'll say in that having to find a

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Speaker 4: been a big challenge because I was tied so heavily

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Speaker 2: Naturally, it just absolutely infuriates me to see you get

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Speaker 2: taken advantage of. But during the whole time you have

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Speaker 2: had this smile on your face of giving your identity

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Speaker 3: How have you been able to do that?

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Speaker 2: And has that been a show And there's been really

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Speaker 3: They're not going to take that smile from you.

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Speaker 4: I've definitely experienced the ebbs and flows, and I still

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Speaker 4: do to this day, which is why I feel our

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Speaker 4: friendship and who you are JA speaks to me so much,

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Speaker 4: because it's not like you live your life in the

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Speaker 4: sense of fearless, like there's never going to be fear.

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Speaker 4: It's fear less. You have to fear it less than

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Speaker 4: you want something, and that's kind of how I've approached it.

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Speaker 4: I've had to operate in spite of the fear and

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Speaker 4: in spite of the grief, and inspite these moments that

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Speaker 4: really feel dark, you know, and learning how to not

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Speaker 4: unpack and really live in those spaces has been a

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Speaker 4: big challenge. But for me, looking back on some of

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Speaker 4: good period of time, getting to meet people like you

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Speaker 4: our community. All of that has sat in my brain

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Speaker 4: also think having the community that I've had, the rally

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Speaker 4: there to support me. And having that support system and

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Speaker 4: that almost accountability really to people has been profound. It's

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Speaker 4: in me has helped. And I'm definitely you know, a

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Speaker 4: validations person right so that those two areas have been

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Speaker 4: most helpful points.

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Speaker 3: I would think, you're really young when you sund the contract.

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Speaker 2: What could you have done or what could you tell

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Speaker 2: other girls or or young men listen to this right

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Speaker 4: Everything is very subjective, especially within my contract. But part

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Speaker 4: of what I want to do moving forward is with

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Speaker 4: our nonprofit, which is called The Girl You Might Know Foundation,

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Speaker 4: we want to safeguard the interests of young creators. And

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Speaker 4: looking back, you know, I would obviously tell someone to

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Speaker 4: look for advocacy at the business table, whether you know

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Speaker 4: that's in hiring a lawyer, it's bringing in a business

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Speaker 4: In my situation, I don't know what I would have

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Speaker 4: done differently, because I think I experienced so much adversity

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Speaker 4: to that age at twenty five, I don't know if

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Speaker 4: solution would have been to do due diligence in other

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Speaker 3: Not and not sign you know, because look, this happens

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Speaker 2: They'll be like, oh, I get sued with the UFC

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Speaker 2: like their early fights are you know, twenty five to fight,

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Speaker 2: twenty five to win. But you don't have your name, image, likeness,

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Speaker 2: nothing like that, your own some of the things I'm

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Speaker 2: assuming you're going to inter going.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I got a chance.

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Speaker 2: The wedding just designer, totally matter what this says, I'm

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Speaker 3: And not understanding what the back end could do to.

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Speaker 4: You absolutely, and the idea that you could miss out

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Speaker 4: confrontational or something like that is super scary. You know,

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Speaker 4: is part of how I approached it. I went very

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Speaker 4: much all in and I have a positive mindset that

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Speaker 4: anyone looking for those big opportunities so that they can

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Speaker 4: keep their enthusiasm and unleash their creativity and do what

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Speaker 4: the compromising is where you know you could give yourself

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Speaker 4: away too soon and not even know it. And it

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Speaker 4: doesn't come just down to a paper anymore. And that's

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Speaker 4: at least my experience. I feel like it's how it's interpreted,

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Speaker 4: how it's argued, and when what's happening in a federal

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Speaker 4: what's happening to me in a lot of ways. It's devastating.

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Speaker 4: It makes you really want to fight and say, let's

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Speaker 2: You basically got to watch your own funeral where they

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Speaker 2: buried your name in the ground, right, which could be

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Speaker 2: very sad mess in but could be a very valuable

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Speaker 3: It's just the thing that always blew me out of

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Speaker 4: This fitness is the first thing my brain goes to.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about what you're doing now, because you are

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Speaker 4: It's called she is Cheval Chaval is the name I've

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Speaker 3: Right, you always know you're gonna get a straight from me, right.

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Speaker 4: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you have another Instagram handle to all their glitters?

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Speaker 2: Well, you can come on mind any tell you what

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Speaker 4: Right'll be here every weekday.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you and I are good for that.

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Speaker 2: I've always appreciate your friendship and like certain people you

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Speaker 2: You never looked at it like You never blame God,

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Speaker 4: You're so sweet. I will never forget the day I'm

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Speaker 2: Right in Cabo, no doubt, and it's you know again,

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Speaker 3: You may have already hit on it or not, give

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Speaker 3: I love that. Where where do people buy your shoes?

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Speaker 4: Oh we're online. She is cheval dot com, and we

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Speaker 2: So you go here, you go perfect, perfect, You're coming

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'll be there next month. So perfect girl.

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Speaker 4: Your engagement Jay, you can I know. I'm so happy

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Speaker 4: I love you, bet.

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Speaker 3: Both, Thank you again, all the glitters on the ground.

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Speaker 2: You can follow her and she is cheval as well,

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Speaker 2: and yes, definitely support her. She is a woman who

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Let's keep walking.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, See you soon.