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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up Straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight

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Speaker 2: boyer for Thursday, September the eleventh. Obviously, September eleventh a

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Speaker 2: tough day for everybody. I've told the story. I think

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Speaker 2: I do this every year. On September eleventh, I was

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Speaker 2: living right outside New York City and I was I

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Speaker 2: would wake up and listen to the Howard Stern Show

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Speaker 2: because I went through like a huge I was a

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Speaker 2: huge Howard Stern fan. And he remarked live on air,

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, a plane just hit the World Trade Center.

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Speaker 2: So I turn on the TV and then as I

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Speaker 2: turn it on, I see the second one and I

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Speaker 2: was like, just, oh my gosh. I was. I was

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Speaker 2: working at a newspaper in North Jersey at the time,

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Speaker 2: and the photographer who took the photo of the fire

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Speaker 2: fighters raising the American flag at Ground zero, that guy

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Speaker 2: worked at my newspaper. Yeah, it was crazy, nice guy. Anyways,

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Speaker 2: it's been man twenty four years. That's that's crazy. A

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Speaker 2: lot has happened obviously since I don't know, Sorry I

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Speaker 2: started stout on start on such a downer, but you know,

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Speaker 2: obviously we'll never forget, you know, September eleventh, a day

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Speaker 2: of infamy in this country. Anyways, there's no easy pivot.

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Speaker 2: But we actually have a first on the podcast today,

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Speaker 2: a first. We've never had two guests, but I was

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Speaker 2: fortunate enough to speak with two gentlemen yesterday, and I

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Speaker 2: was like, why don't we just run them both today?

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Speaker 2: And so I spoke to Matthew Berry, my guy, fantasy fantasy, legend,

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Speaker 2: fantasy god gawd. And then I talked to Tyler Dunn,

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Speaker 2: who wrote that explosive story on Caleb Williams of Chicago

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Speaker 2: Bears Gosh. Tyler Dunny, the journalist NFL guy covered the

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Speaker 2: packers bills. He'd been around the block, and then he

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Speaker 2: decided to start a substack and he's go long. So

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Speaker 2: he's writing like twenty seven thousand word pieces. He wrote

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Speaker 2: a big piece on McDermott, and then he actually ties

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Speaker 2: that around and tells us at the end of the

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Speaker 2: interview about speaking with McDermott, sitting down with him multiple

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Speaker 2: times since the article came out, which is great, that's

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Speaker 2: just I love that. And then obviously Matthew Berry, So

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Speaker 2: what we'll do both those interviews stack them and just

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Speaker 2: a special nine to eleven podcast. You know, I don't

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Speaker 2: have any deep thoughts on this Washington Packers game. I'm

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Speaker 2: excited for it. I'm tremendously excited for it. I believe

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Speaker 2: Packers are really built. I don't want to go overboard

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Speaker 2: my love for the Packers. Just remember usually when you

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Speaker 2: have effusive praise and everybody goes crazy for a team

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Speaker 2: right the following week, they usually kind of spit the bit,

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Speaker 2: as everyone likes to say. But the line has come

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Speaker 2: down from three and a half. Like I was an idiot,

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Speaker 2: I took three and a half. I didn't think it

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Speaker 2: would come down Washington taking on some money. It's a

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Speaker 2: juiced three. If you want the Packers now, they're not

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Speaker 2: giving you the hook with the Washington listen. I think

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Speaker 2: the Packers pass rush is gonna go Jadan Daniels major problems.

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Speaker 2: I think I would not be surprised to see Cooper

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Speaker 2: the great linebackers spy Jaden Daniels, and I expect Green

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Speaker 2: Bay's offense to click even better. I know people are

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Speaker 2: if they're down to offensive linemen, that's not ideal. Clearly.

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Speaker 2: a big divisional matchup, and you just kind of have

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Speaker 2: so you know, that could be a problem. I just

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm not totally believing Washington to have a

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Speaker 2: monster defense all of a sudden. Yes, dan Quinn knows football. Yes,

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Speaker 2: dan Quinn and Lafleur know each other well. One of

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Speaker 2: my fun things that I've been doing a lot this

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Speaker 2: But I'm looking into chat GPT and I'm doing searches

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Speaker 2: coach is the Atlanta Falcons. These guys usually don't change

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Speaker 2: it can give me an idea of what I'm expecting

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Speaker 2: guys know, I like the Packers a lot this season.

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Speaker 2: I think Washington's going to be okay. I just think

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Speaker 2: they're a little overvalued coming off last week. And I

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Speaker 2: give me the three instead of the three and a half, lovely,

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Speaker 2: I don't have a prop That being said, I didn't think.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Washington secondary was amazing last week, and

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Speaker 2: you know you could actually back that up by numbers.

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Speaker 2: You just, you know, bounce over to Pro Football Focus

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Speaker 2: and yes, I know the line is, well, who's grading

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Speaker 2: really good game. He was excellent. But you look around

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Speaker 2: and their big wins were winning in the trenches. Well,

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Speaker 2: what if you can't win in the trenches against the Packers.

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Speaker 2: Now that's assuming everybody's healthy. I just I don't think.

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Speaker 2: Payne obviously is a good player, has a great track record.

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Speaker 2: But I mean I do believe the best two defenders

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Speaker 2: So I like the Packers.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me see the total here, total at forty

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Speaker 2: move the football. So I'm on the Packers, and now,

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Speaker 2: without further ado, let's bring in both of our guests,

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Speaker 2: Matthew Berry, the NBC Fantasy football guy, who also is

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Speaker 2: with us this week courtesy of Draft Kings. You know,

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Speaker 2: Draft Kings one of the big sponsors of this podcast,

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Speaker 2: and Matthew Berry is besides being a really good guy,

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Speaker 2: you guys are familiar with that. It's back for week two.

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Speaker 2: Customers can opt in to a three or more legged

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Speaker 2: parlay and ghost one of the losing legs, turning losses

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 1: listen live. You know a guy, Jason likes to think

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Speaker 1: he knows everything when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 3: I know what sports fans want.

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Speaker 1: But for everything he doesn't he knows a guy who does.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say I know a guy who knows a

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome to straight fire a guy. Every

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Speaker 2: year we have him just because he's kind of the

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Speaker 2: goat in fantasy football, Matt Matthew Berry. The dude knows

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Speaker 2: his stuff. Usually be get him before drafts and Matt,

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Speaker 2: I had more asks for you this year than ever

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Speaker 2: before because fantasy's blowing up. I want you to blow

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Speaker 2: everyone's minds. I have four teams in Fantasy three for myself.

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Speaker 2: My son has one that we work together on. He

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Speaker 2: finish second last year. I'm sure you carry's fourteen. You

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Speaker 2: are the goat and Fantasy. How many Fantasy teams do

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Speaker 2: you have you, Barry.

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Speaker 3: I'm in thirty two leagues this year. Thirty two. It's

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Speaker 3: way too many.

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Speaker 2: But that's the game, way too many. How could you

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a couple of different ways. I mean,

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Speaker 3: first off, thank God for I couldn't have done it manually.

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Speaker 3: Thank God for technology. This is gonna you know, it

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Speaker 3: sounds like a plug, but there's the truth. At Fantasylife

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Speaker 3: it allows you to manage so many teams all at once,

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Speaker 3: you know, in terms of start sit, in terms of

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Speaker 3: you know, if you got a couple of gate leagues

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Speaker 3: Guillotine Leagues dot com shows you, It shows you where

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Speaker 3: Guillotine Leagues dot Com, so we I have a number

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Speaker 3: of Guillotine leagues that I'm in, So I think I'm

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Speaker 2: So I guess my question?

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Speaker 3: Did you load on the technology? To answer your question, Jason,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let me ask you, is there one player

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Speaker 3: In all the leagues, Tyler Warren. I have a ton

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Speaker 2: That was before week one.

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Speaker 3: You had him, Yeah, yeah, I had him in my

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Speaker 3: If you go back to look at my preseason rankings,

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Speaker 3: I had him as Titan seven. He was generally going

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Speaker 3: All the above. So, I mean, Tyler Warren's a special athlete, right,

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Speaker 3: you know, in the pre draft process with Jeremy Shockey right, who,

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Speaker 2: I know how to get Matthew excited to talk about Washington.

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Speaker 2: And you were one of the guys driving a Crosskey Merritt.

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Speaker 2: Are you advising anybody could take a flyer on Jackson

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, I would Jackson Darta thinks a

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Speaker 3: he's gonna run a lot more than you think he is.

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Speaker 3: I think the cults are better than people give them

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Speaker 3: They wouldn't give him a town for him. I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: carries you know, thirty one touches. Okay, good. I will

431
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Speaker 3: say that just to the eye test, he didn't look

432
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Speaker 3: as explosive as we've seen him. Look before now maybe

433
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: it's just first game in the season, it's the rust.

434
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 3: He wasn't one hundred percent healthy. If somebody is willing

435
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Speaker 3: to offer you market value for Christian McCaffrey, and that's

436
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 3: top five run back in fantasy Christan mccaffy, that's what

437
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 3: his market value is right now. He's a he's a

438
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 3: top five guy. You make an argument in the top three.

439
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: If somebody's willing to offer you market value on that,

440
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 3: then I would seriously consider doing it. Otherwise, I think

441
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 3: you just have to try to grab Brian Robinson if

442
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 3: he can, because if McCaffrey were ever miss time, Robinson

443
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 3: would be the copy. And I think he's I think

444
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 3: Robinson's pretty good. I don't think he's christ McCaffrey. He's

445
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 3: not gonna have the passing game work that McCaffrey did,

446
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 3: but he'll be pretty good and he'll get the shorty

447
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 3: ottage and the goal line stuff, and so I do

448
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 3: think they'll lean on McCaffrey even more the next couple

449
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 3: of weeks with George Kittle out. So that's where I

450
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 3: am on on McCaffrey. I don't I wouldn't sell him.

451
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't actively shop him, but if if I can

452
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Speaker 3: get a good offer for him, I'd consider doing the

453
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Speaker 3: doing the deal.

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Speaker 2: Last one, Jordan Addison. I grabbed him in the draft

455
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Speaker 2: late rounder. They did just add Delan. Are you assuming

456
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 2: that Dlan eats into his target share or does Addison

457
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 2: go outside Delan inside? What's your best guess my expectation.

458
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 3: I mean they can both play in and out. I

459
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 3: think my assumption is that when they're all there, it'll

460
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 3: be Addison and Jefferson on the outside and Flan in

461
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 3: the slot and the majority of three wide receiver sets.

462
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: I think Felin was a nice grab for the Vikings,

463
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: but I think fantasy wise, once they're all back there,

464
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 3: I would rank them Jefferson, Addison, Feelin, but I think

465
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 3: Hockinson's gonna be more involved. I know he didn't do

466
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 3: much on Monday night. I know JJ McCarthy was a

467
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: little up and down. But I'm a believer in Kevin O'Connell.

468
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 3: I'm a believer in that system. It's a better offensive line.

469
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 3: They're clearly gonna be able to run the ball with

470
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Speaker 3: Jordan Mason Aaron Jones, so I think that'll free up

471
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Speaker 3: some opportunities for JJ McCarthy in that passing offense.

472
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Speaker 2: Awesome. All right, Matthew Berry the Legend Fantasy Football TV

473
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Speaker 2: Star Podcast. I mean he does it all, Matt. Thanks

474
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Speaker 2: for taking the time, buddy. I'll see you soon.

475
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Speaker 3: Jason always good to talk to, my friend.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome back to straight Fire. You know,

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Speaker 2: I love these guys who start their own shops, break

487
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Speaker 2: away from the mainstream to do their own thing. So

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Speaker 2: Tyler Dunn, we've had him ament before, a prominent NFL

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Speaker 2: writer decided he's going to start golongtv dot com and

490
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Speaker 2: he is dominating this substack had a massive piece that

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Speaker 2: we talked about here on the pod about Caleb Williams

492
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Speaker 2: last week, and then we saw some of it come

493
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Speaker 2: to fruition in the opener. So, Tyler Dunn, uh, talk

494
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Speaker 2: to me your thoughts on Caleb Williams's debut against the Vikings.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a pleasure to be here with the j

496
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Speaker 4: mac as always. Thanks so much, Hole, life is good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

498
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Speaker 4: I feel like there a lot of coaches from that

499
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four Bears team watching the twenty twenty five

500
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 4: Bears and saying, well, that's what we had to deal

501
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 4: with in terms of guys motioning off off, rhythm off, timing,

502
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 4: rose being off. Just the operational stuff was really lacking.

503
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 4: And that's really what they experienced day one of OTA's

504
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 4: through training camp through the regular season.

505
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Speaker 5: And it never really got better.

506
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Speaker 4: I mean, we can get into a million different anecdotes,

507
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 4: but I guess the one that pops to mind for

508
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 4: me right now is the Saturday walk through before they

509
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 4: played those Lions, Ben Johnson's Lions late in the year

510
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 4: and Caleb Williams, I was told, just flubbed four of

511
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 4: eight play calls right, like motioning the wrong guy, plays

512
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 4: being backwards. It was a disaster and they're thinking, Wow,

513
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,239
Speaker 4: it's still this bad late in the season, and then

514
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 4: what did Kaylen Williams do? He played well enough for

515
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Speaker 4: Ben Johnson to want the job. He threw for three

516
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 4: hundred yards two touchdowns, and you saw some of that

517
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 4: juxtaposition in week one. I saw him complete his first

518
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 4: ten passes. You see him with these Houdini escapes. I mean,

519
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 4: he's got physical ability, athleticism, unlike most of the position.

520
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 4: That throw to Romadonda was marvelous, but it's the basic

521
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 4: it's the boring stuff that you need to sustain long

522
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 4: term to be a successful waiting quarterback in the NFL.

523
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Speaker 2: According to Pro Football Focus, he had two big time

524
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: throws that were graded out. He had zero turnover worthy plays,

525
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: which is nice. But he also he seemed to be

526
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: plagued by like he thinks he can make every throw

527
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: and he just can't, especially on the run. Do you

528
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 2: think he's even capable tyler of being a drop back

529
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: in the pocket go through read one, read two, make

530
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: the plague. Do you think he's capable of being that

531
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: after two years of playing kind of off script.

532
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Speaker 4: Man, I really don't know. I think with Ben Johnson,

533
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 4: he's got a shot.

534
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 5: I think Ben Johnson is one.

535
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Speaker 4: Of the smartest offensive minds in the sport. I mean,

536
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 4: you could see it right j mcge You can see

537
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 4: him receivers open down the field. There's DJ Moore hit

538
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 4: him touchdown. It's there on a silver platter. So I

539
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: think the opportunity will be there for Caleb Williams. But

540
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, because at USC it was a

541
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 4: lot of run around stuff, improvisation, creativity, and he's out

542
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: there on the West Coast and I live here in

543
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: western New York and I did not see him down

544
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 4: in and down out like most of the country. I

545
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 4: kind of consume Caleb Williams in five minute highlight reels, right,

546
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 4: and it just seems like this is Patrick Mahomes light

547
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,239
Speaker 4: And of course this is where the game's going. Of

548
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 4: course you're gonna have to make playsoff script and I

549
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 4: think we kind of got you know, we all kind

550
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 4: of got drunk on that kind of quarterbacking as Mahomes

551
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 4: is becoming one of the greatest ever. But I to

552
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 4: you what, man, You talk to the coaches that were

553
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 4: around Caleb Williams, and they and this is where they're

554
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 4: at fall two.

555
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 5: Like they neutered their own playbook.

556
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 4: They took out checks, they took out audibles, They go

557
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 4: to a basic already set go they tried to simplify

558
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 4: it to the extreme, to the point where he's clapped

559
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 4: before the ball.

560
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 5: Snap and these pass users know what's coming like it's

561
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 5: kind of mind blowing.

562
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 4: So you could go that route, you could try to

563
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 4: make it Caleb friendly, but that's kind of the trap

564
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 4: you might fall into. I think Ben Johnson's playing it right.

565
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 4: I think you do have to load him up with

566
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 4: your offense. Right you're making thirteen million a year to

567
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 4: fix the Chicago Bears. You've got the power run your show.

568
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 4: And if the quarterback, whether it's Caleb Williams or anybody,

569
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 4: can't keep up, you find a new quarterback at something.

570
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 2: So what's that learning curve? You give him the full season,

571
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: because you know, it feels like the signing of Beagent

572
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: maybe was a gentle nudge, like, hey, we think we

573
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: got something here as a backup. Maybe he's better for

574
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: my system. Hey, you know, Caleb's on a short leash.

575
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: If he, you know, is awful week six, maybe we

576
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: pull him and start baging. Do you think that's in

577
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: the cards or are we saying, hey, there's a learning curve.

578
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: I know Ben's win with the team since February or whatever,

579
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: But the reality is they've took zero snaps in real

580
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: football games. I'm sorry, preseason isn't. So it's one game.

581
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: You know, that's not nearly enough to judge him.

582
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: It's one game, right, and I get a week one overreactions.

583
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 4: We all fall victim to it. But one football game

584
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: is like ten baseball games. I mean, it is huge,

585
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 4: like we should overreact to an extent. I mean, and

586
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: these coaches know, you know, their busts are on the line.

587
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 4: They want to run their show that they know they're

588
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 4: dialing up great plays and they've got players in the

589
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 4: right position. They did a great job over the offseason

590
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 4: on the offensive line.

591
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 5: Stuff like that.

592
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 4: I think that beagent signing is interesting, though, and I

593
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 4: don't think we're reading into it too much to connect dots.

594
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 4: When we hear Ben Johnson like effusively praised Tyson Bagent

595
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 4: as a professional as somebody who just clocks in, clocks out,

596
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 4: and grinds.

597
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 5: And knows the offense.

598
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 4: I mean, this is what those twenty four coaches were

599
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 4: telling me too, that they loved Tyson Bagent. I mean,

600
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 4: he had every answer to every question inside of those meetings,

601
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 4: when Caleb really didn't say much at all in those

602
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 4: meetings and at times was on the wrong page completely.

603
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that signing is basically what the

604
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 4: Bears of twenty twenty four tried to do when they

605
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 4: lost to New England nineteen to three. If you remember,

606
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 4: the Hail Mary against Washington goes down, they get crushed

607
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 4: by Arizona.

608
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 5: Twenty nine to nine.

609
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: Then they lose to a bad roster, a bad Patriots

610
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 4: team nineteen to three, and that's really when the blame

611
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 4: game started, because you know, Caleb Williams is outside of

612
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 4: the huddle, He's getting the play call sent in, and

613
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 4: he's he's taken a little extra I like a lot

614
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: of the teammates in that huddle thought that Shane Walder

615
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 4: was taking his sweet time sending the play in, when

616
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 4: really that play calls coming in and Caleb is just

617
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 4: kind of processing it at a slow rate. They get

618
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 4: up there, everything's discombobulated. Anyways, Matt Eberfho's told his staff

619
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Speaker 4: that next morning, nobody's getting fired. And we're also going

620
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 4: to incorporate Tyson Page into practice, not necessarily fifty to

621
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 4: fifty reps, but once and for all, we're going to

622
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 4: challenge Caleb Williams give him a little competition, like let's

623
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 4: let's see if we can light a fire under him

624
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 4: after they basically coddled him from day one and OTAs

625
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 4: and then what happened the next morning Shane Waldron gets

626
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: fired and Ryan Poles I was told gavash the whole

627
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 4: Bajan plan, which, by the way, players wanted him in

628
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 4: there too, like players wanted the backup quarterback to play.

629
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 4: But the GM and I think a lot I think

630
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 4: a lot of gms would do this if they have

631
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 4: the power, would say hell no.

632
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 5: So that idea was just criggled up, throwing in the trash.

633
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 4: Now it's a new staff, and I think that Ben

634
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 4: Johnson has power that Maddyflu's never really had. So if

635
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 4: it gets to that point, like let's not get too

636
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 4: far ahead of ourselves, I'm with you. Like Caleb Williams

637
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 4: needs a few more games. I would think in this

638
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 4: offense like heet, he'll have some runway here, but I

639
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 4: think he can't connect. Dot said this coaching staff loves pagent.

640
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: That's not great, especially for Caleb. There were some pieces,

641
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: there were some notes in your article that jumped out

642
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: like Caleb straight up just walked away from coaches while

643
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: they're talking to him. In all your reporting, you covered

644
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: what packers bill, You covered a lot of teams. Do

645
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: you recall anything like that from a second year, unproven quarterback? Now,

646
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: if you tell me, Peyton Manning, you know, an all

647
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: time great was just sick of hearing from a coach

648
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: and walked away. I get that. It was a little

649
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: surprising and jarring to hear Caleb just walking away from

650
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: a coach who's yelling get back here, UMF or whatever.

651
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that shocked me, It really did.

652
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 4: And I heard that from several coaches that said they

653
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 4: would try to coach him up, tell him to do

654
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 4: something differently.

655
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 5: And there were like four or five.

656
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 4: Specific examples shared from these coaches where Caleb Williams just

657
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 4: turned and walked away. And the most prominent example of

658
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 4: that would be that Seattle game Thursday night, late in

659
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 4: the season when Thomas Brown hard Noll's old school. He's

660
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 4: got five games left in that season to try to

661
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 4: prove himself as an interim coach. It's just an unwinnable

662
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: situation for anybody. At that point. It was too little,

663
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 4: too late to really change those atmospheric conditions. They were

664
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 4: in place in OTAs, but he tried, he got on Caleb,

665
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 4: and Caleb just kept walking. So yeah, I think it

666
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 4: was shocking to a lot of them like that, that dynamic.

667
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 5: It just felt unlike anything that these coaches had ever

668
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 5: been around.

669
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 4: But players as well, you know, I think that he

670
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 4: was telling receivers how to run their routes, you know,

671
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: back to the summer, and that didn't sit well with

672
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 4: some of those veteran receivers. The word that comes up

673
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: a lot is is entitlement. So yeah, he came in

674
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 4: as the first NIL superstar. It was different how the

675
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 4: Bears drafted him. They more so recruited Caleb Williams than

676
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 4: interviewed Caleb Williams convincing him to play for them.

677
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 5: So they didn't really.

678
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: Go through much due diligence at all. I talked to

679
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 4: scouts in those draft meetings. They weren't looking at negatives,

680
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 4: They weren't openly discussing, look in this place that would

681
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 4: really work in the NFL. Look, does is he really

682
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 4: get a grind and really work? That kind of stuff

683
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 4: was just skimmed over. Meanwhile, you're not You're you're laughing

684
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 4: at Drake May's film, like literally laughing him off the screen,

685
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 4: not really talking about Jane Daniels in a serious way.

686
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 4: That to me was probably even more shocking than Caleb

687
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 4: Williams doing anything. Is just what led to Caleb Williams.

688
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 4: And we get into all of that in part two

689
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 4: of the series.

690
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: I can't wait for part two. So let me ask

691
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: you about this. And this is a tough one. You know,

692
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 2: when you're reporting on someone or something and it's a

693
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 2: dicey thing, you don't know if you want to put

694
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 2: it out there in the public form, you can maybe

695
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 2: talk around it or hint at it. Many people in

696
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: the Chicago area are like, man, I read that article.

697
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: It was unfair and they were taught there was I

698
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: don't know, speculation or talk around, but Caleb Williams' sexuality

699
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: seems to be like a hot button issue. I don't

700
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: know if it's just from painting the nails at one

701
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: time or if he still does that. But I'm just curious.

702
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: Is that anything you know, you do or don't want

703
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: to talk about from the article?

704
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't really care about any of that. I mean,

705
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 4: I don't think these coaches care, the players don't care.

706
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 4: None of that stuff.

707
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think at the end of the day, Yeah,

708
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 5: he's into fashion. He's into that kind of stuff.

709
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 4: There's a coach who told me, look, he he's into this.

710
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 4: He's got interest off the field, and if he wins,

711
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 4: it'll be celebrated.

712
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 5: If he loses, then maybe it does become a distraction

713
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 5: at some point. But it is funny.

714
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 4: I saw like I used, I used the term sashe

715
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 4: like he when he walks away from a coach. That's

716
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 4: kind of kind of what it was described to me

717
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 4: by the coaches that he would just kind of sashe

718
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 4: away and walk the other direction. And yeah, some of

719
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 4: the Bears fans didn't like that, but look, when you

720
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: write twenty seven thousand words.

721
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: Uh, that's what ended up being.

722
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 5: And you're trying to be descriptive in things. I guess

723
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 5: I can see how things can get a.

724
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 4: Little misconstrued there, But yeah, that I don't think that

725
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 4: is a factor into anything. We're talking off the field stuff.

726
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 4: It's more so Okay, when when he goes home, he

727
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 4: is he looking at his film. He didn't do much

728
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 4: of that last year, right. Jane Daniels is there in

729
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: Washington with the virtual reality, you know, he's speeding the

730
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 4: game up to one point seventy five times speed. He's

731
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 4: done that since last year at LSU. Caleb Williams, what

732
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 4: I was told by a source, Brian Holes was interested

733
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 4: in getting the same VR system when he heard about it.

734
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 4: They decided not to get it because they figured Caleb

735
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 4: Williams wouldn't really use it.

736
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 5: That's a problem on many levels.

737
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: So I think that you know that all the stuffing,

738
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 4: there's a lot of noise around it.

739
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 5: I don't think it really matters at all.

740
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 2: It's also tough to just wonder, but like the Caleb camp,

741
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: as you're reporting this and getting ready to go, did

742
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 2: they want to talk to you at all on off

743
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 2: the record? Did they feel Do you feel like they're

744
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: still a unified front because the seth wickershampiece that mentioned

745
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: they never wanted to go to Chicago in the first place,

746
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: it almost feels like, hey, all their worst fears were

747
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: coming true even though they did get Ben Johnson.

748
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: It's the thing, I mean, when you really do learn

749
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 4: more about the Chicago Bears, you kind of empathize with

750
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams and see, oh, well, there's a reason they

751
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 4: were a little concerned about going to Chicago.

752
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 5: There's a reason this.

753
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 4: Team has had bad quarterback play for most of a

754
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 4: century plus. The problems are very very deep rooted there. Man,

755
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 4: I don't know, like I don't know where this where

756
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 4: this goes. I mean I did, And to answer your question, yeah,

757
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 4: I reached out to the Bears for Ryan Poles and

758
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 4: Kaboys because they're two very central figures in all three parts.

759
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 5: They weren't made available. That's fine.

760
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 4: And look, there's a lot of press conferences out there,

761
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 4: a lot of stories out there. All these people, all

762
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 4: the parties that are involved with the Bears now have

763
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 4: talked plenty. What we haven't really heard is the story

764
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 4: from the coaches from twenty twenty four, like that that

765
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 4: their reality. I believe that does matter that perspective, as

766
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 4: does the perspective of those in the draft meetings that

767
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 4: saw this go down in part two. So yeah, it's

768
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 4: a He's a complicated prospect because there's a lot of

769
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 4: good there's a lot of talent.

770
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 5: Maybe this can work with Ben Johnson.

771
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 4: You know, look I look here in Buffalo, Like I said,

772
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: Josh Allen completed fifty two percent of his passes as

773
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 4: a rook Joe Burrow went two seven and one before

774
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 4: he tore his ACL patch.

775
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 5: Maholmes played sixty two snaps. So you can't just say.

776
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 4: A rookie is going to be one thing or the

777
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 4: other right out of the choot. But there's a lot

778
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 4: of alarm bells going off right now.

779
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's overall Pickhilbilliams, Tyler.

780
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: It feels like a whiff of Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield.

781
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: I can't even put Zach Wilson in their class because

782
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 2: those two guys have rebounded. But this does come from

783
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: like the COVID era athlete, where everything was disrupted, right,

784
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: You didn't get the normal college experience. And I'm just wondering,

785
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 2: do you think that has anything to do with it?

786
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: Or is it like, hey, well look at Bonix he's fine.

787
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: You know, look at Jayden Daniels, he's fine.

788
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: You know?

789
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: Is that the counter.

790
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 4: That's a great question because in that second part, I

791
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 4: talked to a general manager for another team that got

792
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 4: to know all of these quarters in the twenty three

793
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 4: draft and the twenty four draft, and this GM told

794
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 4: me he kind of went into this thing a little

795
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 4: bit worried about the nil athlete.

796
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 5: The nil quarterback.

797
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 4: What's it going to be like sitting down with these

798
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 4: quarterbacks who've already made a lot of money, who are

799
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: already kind of their own brand. And he was shocked

800
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 4: really by his interactions with a Jayden Daniels, C J. Stroud,

801
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 4: Bryce Young, I mean, go right down the list, Bo Nix.

802
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy.

803
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 4: He kind of takes you through all of these conversations

804
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 4: and no, like there was one guy'd being Alpha one

805
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 4: guy genuinely loved ball one guy. It was clear it

806
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 4: was a multiplier could get everybody in that locker room

807
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: to buy in. And then he got to Kayleb Williams

808
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 4: and basically said it was unlike anything he had experienced

809
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 4: in his scouting life. It wasn't really an interview. Kayleb

810
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 4: Williams didn't approach it like an interview. It just felt strange,

811
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 4: from the body language to how he answered questions to

812
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 4: kind of rambling around without really.

813
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 5: Getting to a point. And it could be a case

814
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 5: of the Caleb.

815
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 4: Williams knows he's going to number one overall and isn't

816
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 4: really taken these other interviews seriously. Maybe maybe there's some

817
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 4: of that too, But I think there is Uh, all

818
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 4: of these gms looking for franchise quarterbacks kind of have

819
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 4: to sit through an entirely new world with what they're

820
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 4: getting on getting from quarterbacks out of college.

821
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 5: And I'm not going to.

822
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 4: Be an old curmudgety middle aged man and say, oh,

823
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 4: they're all making too much money.

824
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 5: They're not hungry, because no, a lot like.

825
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 4: This GM said he was blown away by Jane Daniels

826
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 4: in some of these guys. But it is true that

827
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 4: you've got to find something other than talent. Talent alone,

828
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 4: it isn't.

829
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 5: Going to take you very far in the NFL.

830
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 4: You've got to have something to you inside. And these

831
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 4: teams they've got to ask hard questions in those draft rooms,

832
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 4: and the Bears just did not ask those hard questions

833
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 4: at all leading up to the Caleb Williams pick all right.

834
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: He is Tyler Dunn, Golong tv dot Com, twenty seven

835
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: thousand word that is unbelieve eievable man, congrats, subsec is fun.

836
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: Do you have your next target or are you sorry

837
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: to use the word target that that almost comes off

838
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: mean like you're going after But do you have your

839
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: next subject? Any idea has done where you want to go?

840
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: Because I remember you had a huge atom McDermott that

841
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: rattled Buffalo to its core or do you not want

842
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: to give it away?

843
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 4: You know, it's wild to that that McDermott series talk about.

844
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: I would not have expected this at all, But like

845
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 4: a couple months later, I just sat down with Sean

846
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 4: McDermott at the combine. We got to know each other

847
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 4: and we didn't even talk about the story. And I've

848
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: been back at one Bill's Drive, interviewed him. I was

849
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 4: in his office for a one on one at one

850
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 4: point during the playoffs last year, and I think he

851
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 4: evolved as a human and as a coach and in

852
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 4: many positive ways. So it just goes to show, like,

853
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 4: you know, people can change, people can learn, people can grow.

854
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 4: That it's human nature, and.

855
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, go along.

856
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 4: I think my mission is to just go beyond the

857
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 4: mainstream press conferences, whatever teams are kind of pushing.

858
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 5: There's there's a whole other fl out there.

859
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 4: And as I was reporting on this Bear series, a

860
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 4: coach kind of described the real NFL as Game of Thrones.

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Speaker 5: There's a whole Thrones.

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Speaker 4: World behind the scenes that people have no clue about

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Speaker 4: on Twitter x just not privy to it all. So

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Speaker 4: as an independent journalist who can kind of parachute into

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Speaker 4: different places. And you know, I don't take any gambling

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Speaker 4: money or not that, not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, No, as no sponsors.

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Speaker 4: You know, I love the fact that I can just

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Speaker 4: kind of, you know, think, think for myself. And you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't give a damn about Twitter mobs

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Speaker 4: at all, like bring it on whatever.

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Speaker 5: So I think there's a value.

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Speaker 4: To that when you can just kind of think freely

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Speaker 4: and whether it is those palace intrigue stories which are

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Speaker 4: I love diving into those and talking to thirty two

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Speaker 4: different people like we did for this Bear series. But

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Speaker 4: I also love just sitting down with the player over dinner,

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Speaker 4: seeing what makes him tick. We've done a lot of

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Speaker 4: those kind of stories. You know, Julian Hill maybe a

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Speaker 4: player nobody's ever heard of. Listening to this podcast at

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Speaker 4: Dolphins tight End, we hung out down in Miami, it

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Speaker 4: blew my mind. I Mean, here's somebody that grew up

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Speaker 4: homeless in Fable, North Carolina, living Florida floor, sleeping with.

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Speaker 5: The cockroaches, seeing like Grizzly. Grizzly sits on a day

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Speaker 5: to day out basis.

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Speaker 4: And now he's down there basically saving lives, I mean,

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Speaker 4: helping with this program where they get trafficked kids who

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Speaker 4: have seen even worse things.

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Speaker 5: And so I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think real raw football is what I gravitate toward

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Speaker 4: in any sense.

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Speaker 2: Love it, ty Well, I don't love that last part,

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Speaker 2: but Tyler Dunn, golong td dot com.

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Speaker 5: Thanks a love, buddy, Thank you so much, man,