WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 5/23: OL Outlook, Takeaways from Recent OTAs, WR Battle 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:08.440 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:10.160 Lazar and Alex bart. 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:12.240 Lazarre. 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:18.680 Everybody nailed it. He joined as always by our bar. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.439 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. Why did he 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.759 quit because he was getting Yes, because he's getting wrap 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:27.240 beat out of him. He would have quit, Yes, he 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:29.360 would have no matter what, quit because he would have 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:31.080 quit rap beat out of him. He didn't want to 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.840 play football anymore because he was getting the crap beat 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:36.000 out of him. I disagree with that. I think Andrew 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.680 Luck just didn't want to play anymore because he was 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.760 going out there every Sunday. I disagreed off. I think 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:43.560 he just didn't want to play anymore. I'll tell you 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.199 why he didn't want to play. He quit like ten 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.440 years or he couldn't. He couldn't play. 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:55.040 He was so hurt. He was not Yeah, this is 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.560 a bizarre take. Andrew Luck was not fine. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:01.600 Do you think I could get through the show today 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:05.399 without without pissing people off out? Without getting somebody through 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.479 that right on Twitter, right on Twitter, right on Twitter, 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.119 And and then they'll tell us that they don't listen 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.280 to the show, right they don't listen to the show. 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.399 But we're going to post things that you say on No. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:17.360 I think I think the account that posts has been 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.600 a very pretty pretty loyal listener of ours. 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.800 Let's not give any credit. I'm just saying I'm not 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.200 gonna piss anything. I'm not gonna press anybody off. 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:25.360 No. 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:29.320 I love our listening, especially if they're gonna throw you 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:30.360 under the bus like that. 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:35.200 I love our listeners. But I feel like once I 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.480 would say once a month, maybe maybe it's a little 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:39.720 bit more frequently than that. Morell maybe you can you 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.360 can tell me if it's more frequently, But like once 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.280 a month, I say something on here or on Unfiltered 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:48.080 that pisces people off, and it can and it's either 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.920 we get bombarded by emails about it or it's all 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.240 over Twitter or whatever, and everybody is just like coming 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.680 at me because I you know, maybe I don't know. 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.680 You took something that is settled fact and you had 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.480 me debating it like it was a take. You heard 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:04.080 me in that clip say this is a weird take. 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.360 It was settled fact, and we're debating it like it 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.120 was a take that was that was something for me. 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:12.320 Sometimes some job sometimes, like you said, sometimes you have 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.240 to you have to exaggerate a little bit, and you 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.760 have to say some things that are maybe a little 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:22.240 bit controversial, and don't sausage just to get the people going. 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.119 That's all all right? Anyways, Evan Lazar, Alex Bars Patriots 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:26.840 Catch twenty two. 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:27.520 Uh. 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.280 Here for you today. We are going to talk about 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.400 OTAs the first look at Patriots OTAs. Both Alex and 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:38.240 I were out there on Monday to watch the Patriots practice. 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.200 And I have a whole list of things I want 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.520 to get to and we'll get to those in a second. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.320 But before we really get going here, Hey, Patriots fans, 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.400 if you want to see Toyota's best offers, including those 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.960 not seen on TV, go to buy Toyota dot com, 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.240 Toyota's official website for deals for the official vehicle of 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.959 the New England Patriots, Toyota. Let's go place this and 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.959 easy to drink, easy to enjoy, bud Light, the official 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.960 beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. All right, so 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:07.080 here's where I want to start with Monday's practice. And 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.960 on Tuesday, Alex, I gave you this take off the 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.440 air and our show before the show, which is just 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.680 our text back and forth about these things. And I 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.560 told you that I wasn't thrilled about the reps and 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.440 the efficiency of practice. I don't want to give that 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.520 take again. I think you know, we can move off that. 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:27.600 It was one practice. Let's see what next week. Will 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.639 you give it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I did on Unfiltered 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:36.200 on Tuesday. Basically, all I felt like was the big 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.800 thing for me on Monday and throughout this entire spring 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.920 program is what does a Gerrod Mayo practice look like? 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.560 And I think in a lot of ways that is 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.200 almost more important at this point of the year than 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.120 what each individual player looks like, because we'll get to 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.200 that like training camp, when the pads go on, is 0:03:55.200 --> 0:04:00.160 when we'll really get to start an analyzing individual player 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.200 and position groups and all the stuff that we do 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.080 on here. We'll get to that point. Right now, it's 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.280 just interesting to me, and maybe this is a little 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:12.160 inside baseball, but it's just interesting to me to evaluate 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:16.680 somebody else's practice like I have only watched and take 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.040 joint practices out of it because those don't really count. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:23.680 I've only watched a Bill Belichick ota at this point 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:28.440 as a professional reporter, I've only ever watched a Bill 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.520 Belichick ota and One of the things that I always 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:35.560 thought was so fascinating about how Belichick ran a practice 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:39.000 was how efficient practice was. There just wasn't a whole 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.920 lot of standing around. Everybody had a job to do, 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:45.960 everybody had a responsibility, Every minute was allocated for somehow 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:50.040 they never had guys just standing around doing nothing, And 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.320 this practice, I felt like, was a little bit different 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.960 in that regard. But I understand. I got, you know, 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.919 some people push back on me on Tuesday at PU 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.880 to not overreact to one practice. They're probably right, Let's 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:03.720 see what it looks like over the next couple weeks. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.480 But I think we both felt like this a little 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:07.600 bit watching and I don't want to put words in 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:11.840 your mouth, but just watching it and seeing Vederian Low 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.719 get reps at left tackle over Caden Wallace and Bailey 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:18.279 Zappy get reps at quarterback over Drake May and you 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.560 can trickle that all the way down the entire lineup. 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.440 I get that there's a rookies have to earn it. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.240 There's a seniority about it. But I think one thing 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.760 that you hear so much about nowadays, with the rules 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:31.839 and with the CBA and all this kind of stuff, 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:36.200 you only have a finite amount of practice time and 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:41.599 on field work in the NFL calendar that you aren't 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:43.800 preparing for an opponent. Like once you get into the 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:47.159 regular season and you have game weeks and you're practicing 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.559 Wednesday through Friday and it's all game plan oriented, that's 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.239 you're not going to be giving the third string tackle 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.800 reps right when you're getting ready for the Cincinnati Bengals, Like, 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.000 that's just not gonna happen. So this time of year 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.039 is why a guy and I don't want to just 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.240 harp on Drake May because I think that you know, 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.479 it furthers the point. A guy like Caiden Wallace who 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:11.719 is switching positions from right tackle to left tackle, needs 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:15.479 every single rep that he can get, every single rep 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.760 that he can get. And this time of year, especially 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.240 at tackle and quarterback, when there's no contact and all 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:26.520 you're doing is really going through the fundamentals of those reps, 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.680 it's maybe even more important in my mind than when 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.479 the bullets really start flying, because that if you're not 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:36.200 ready for that by having a solid foundation in the spring, 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.520 and then you get to the summer and the pads 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.160 go on and now Matthew Judon's coming off the edge 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.120 at you and you're Caden Wallace, It's gonna look ugly. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.599 So I think that that's the big takeaway that I 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:49.960 had first of all, and then we can get into 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.840 the individual players, but I just felt like we need 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.440 to see a little bit more of the guys that 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.760 you're a draft and developed team, right. The rookies are 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.640 the are the future, they're the core, develop them, develop them. Yeah, 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:05.560 so I mean, I agree with you. 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.200 I do think it's important to put the caveat on 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.600 there that this is one practice, yes, and they've had 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.600 what one or two more since I think they're practicing 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.680 today behind closed doors, like we don't get to see everything. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.800 So maybe it was you know, day one. 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:21.960 All right, we're gonna put the veterans out there, let 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.280 the rookie see how an NFL practice is run. 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:25.360 And maybe we go. 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:26.880 Out there next week and it's a ton of Drake Man, 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.040 it's a ton of Kaden Wallace. So you know, I'll 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.680 I'll kind of hold off on that one practice. I 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.360 don't I hope that's not indicative of the full plan, 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.200 but I will give them for now the out of 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.160 kind of and and Girod may have talked about this 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.960 that the way they split reps, they may do it 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.160 one way one day, in another way another day, and 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:47.040 we're not there all the day. 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:50.360 So it's tough to say, but I do hope Caden 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.040 wall is changing positions Drake May. 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.080 You're trying to get him ready, you're trying to develop him, 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.080 and if he's not going to start the season, which 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:03.640 I'm okay with, I think it's it's really hard. You 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:05.960 now have to do two things at once. You have 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.360 to get Jacoby Brissett ready to start the season, and 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.160 you have to get going on Drake May's development. So 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.440 to also throw Bailey z Appy in there, who you know, 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.960 some reports have indicated he's probably not a part of 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:21.600 the long term plans. What does that accomplish? And I've 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:25.960 seen people say, well, you know, if Jacoby Versett gets hurt, 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:27.160 you don't want to go to Drake May. 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:28.360 You gotta have the next guy up. 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.760 That that should be the third most important thing, right 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.240 that that shouldn't be more important than mayed it because 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.080 ideally that just means. 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.200 You want to get May ready even quicker. So it 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:38.240 was one practice. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:43.280 I do think that distribution was notable if it stays 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.360 that way. The other thing, I'll say, I think you're 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:46.600 the one who pointed this out to me, and we 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.920 were out there. We've seen in the past under Belichick, 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:50.839 and I don't think this is just a building like 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.520 I think a lot of teams do this. Those practice 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.199 fields out back. If you've ever been in training camp, 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.280 you know it's two fields. 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:58.760 Yeah, they have two fields. 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.400 And right now you have ninety players on the roster, 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.880 you have like a full you know, full two teams. Yeah, 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:09.800 you could have multiple groups repping at once. And they 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.600 only did that very briefly on Monday. Yeah, for the 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.320 most part, it was one offensive unit, one defensive unit. 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.800 And I'll say this credit to the rookie quarterbacks when 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:22.400 when Bailey Zappi was out there running the offense, Drake 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.800 May you could see him talking to Alex van Pelt, 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.200 talking to Jacobe Burssett about what was going on. And 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.000 there were a couple of times where I saw Joe Milton, 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:34.560 you know, he's standing behind Baby zapp Jacoby Brissette. Yeah, 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.480 and he's like actually miming through you know, the snap 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.080 to drop back all that what he would do. So 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.760 Bill used to harp on that a lot, like, even 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.439 if you're not in the play, the mental reps right, 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:46.559 stay ready, be ready. So it's good to see those 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.920 guys doing that. But you could have, and this is 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.560 what they did very late in practice. You could have 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.839 Jacoby Brissett and Drake May on one field, in Bailey 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.680 Zappie and Joe Milton on the other with the backups 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.400 and that way, it's just there's more reps. It's more 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.480 reps available. So again maybe it's the first practice. They 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.679 just wanted to get their you know, their feed under them. Yeah, 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.480 but that's something I would like to see them at. 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.040 If they're not going to change the order, at least 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.880 multiple you know, get get multiple units out there and 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:17.200 double the reps you have available. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.720 That's that's a great point. And I just think that 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.200 I don't want people to get bogged down by order. 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:28.200 Like I'm not really all that worried about the order 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:32.160 of things. What I'm more worried about is we talked 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.079 to Bill O'Brien a little bit about this last year 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:38.720 when there was some indecisiveness about the quarterbacks. It's really 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.440 hard to get more than two quarterbacks ready to play, right, 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.800 And so if you're giving the Lion's share of the 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.120 reps Jacoby Brisset because he's your starter for the beginning 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.520 of the year, which is fair fine, then someone is 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.000 losing reps If Bailey Zappi's in the mix here and 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.600 right now it's Drake May and it shouldn't be Drake May. 0:10:58.240 --> 0:10:59.960 I don't care about Joe Millen. I know, I'm sorry. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.320 I just don't you know how many reps he gets 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:05.240 he gets, you know, and I hope that he develops 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.959 into a player for him, Well, it's not I don't 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:09.480 care about volume for Joe Milton. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.679 Here's what I'll say about Joe Milton. I do think 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.240 they should keep three quarterbacks. Yeah, and he's the most 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.960 likely third. They're gonna keep three, right, I don't think 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.360 Zappy's gonna be one of them. So are you keeping 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.240 Joe Milton or do you have to go out and 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:28.120 find this year's Nathan Rourke, Will Greer whoever. I'm not 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.280 saying the first day of OTAs was going to decide that. 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.320 But I'm hoping that some chance, and maybe this is 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.680 what the preseason games are for, but I'm hoping that 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.319 it's some chance we get to see whether or not 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:38.400 Joe Milton can be that. 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.400 Yeah, that's fair. I just look at it and say 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.760 they have too many quarterbacks. Yeah, and Mayo said that 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.040 they have too many quarterbacks. I think they're aware of it. 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.760 You know, Albert reported it, and he had talked to 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.439 Gerrod for the story, so you know it's probably coming 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:56.480 from from some solid intel. They have too many quarterbacks. 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.200 It's really hard to run practice with four quarterbacks and 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:03.599 have everybody have if you're trying to get everybody equal opportunity, 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.080 which is sort of what it felt like. Yeah, besides 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:10.000 Jacoby who kind of dominated the reps, but for the 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.920 next three Zappi, Drake, made Joe, Milton, it felt like 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.360 they were trying to get them equal opportunity. You're not 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.240 really getting any of them true working at that. 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.840 Point, unless I'm not necessarily saying I believe this, but 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:26.520 I'm just thinking out loud here. I mean, they've harped competition, competition, competition. 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:31.080 Do you think there's a part of them that's that 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.680 Zappi's actually competing with Persett for the starting job. 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.160 I thought of that, and I think there's a chance, 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.920 because I do think if all things were equal, that 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.720 if we were just going based off of results that 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:47.520 Zappi could push Jacoby Brissett. Yeah, but Jacoby Brissett's value, 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:51.280 his experience, his mentorship, Like that's such a big part 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.640 of the equation right now for the Patriots. If you 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:56.960 just told me in a vacuum, do I think that 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.280 Jacoby Brissett and Bailey Zapi could be an a legit 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:03.000 quarterback competition, I would say yes. But at the same time, 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.920 it's that's not the situation, you know, there's more context 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:06.640 of the situation. 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:08.720 Well, and that's why I would hope that's not the case. 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:10.199 But I wonder if they look at it and they say, 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:13.000 Jacoby's here, he's going to be a resource one way 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:13.439 or the other. 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:16.440 We're gonna let Zappi compete. 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:18.439 Yeah, And again that's I I would just just get 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:23.839 your starter ready because if that's the case, find out early, 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:26.920 find out early so you can even if Zappy does 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.400 beat him out. Now it's Brisett or Zapi is one 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.120 guy and Drake May is the other. Because those two 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:37.400 guys the starter, which should be Jacoby Brissett, but the 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.440 starter and Drake May need to be the two getting 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.600 the majority, the majority, the majority of the reps. 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.440 Yeah, I agree with that, all right. The other thing 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.520 that I wanted to hit on off the top, and 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.480 then we can open up the phone lines and emails too. 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:53.000 I think that there's and I'm saying this, I'm not 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.480 singling anybody out, you know, he said at the top 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.160 of the show. Everybody gets mad at me, right, I'm 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.199 not singling anybody. I'm saying it for myself to I 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.520 think that we have to be careful with Drake May's, 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:07.480 our assessment of Drake May. And I think what I'm 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:12.040 hearing a lot of is, first of all, even for 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:16.280 even somebody like me, that that is as nerdy about 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.240 this kind of stuff as anybody. None of us are 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.400 our quarterback experts in terms of mechanics and footwork, like 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:27.200 none of us coach quarterbacks. Okay, So to get into 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:32.400 the details of how his footwork looks and how his 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.080 mechanics look and he's tapping the ball and his shoulders 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.040 are shrugging and all like, all this kind of other 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.840 stuff I think is doing him a big disservice. He's 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.920 a young player, he's raw. We knew that coming in, 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:50.200 and it's his first true NFL practice. Rickie Mediamp doesn't count, right, 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.880 it's his first true NFL practice, So I just hope 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:58.760 that we are careful with how we assess things with 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:02.320 Drake may moving forward from mechanical perspective, because already based 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.120 off of really two practices if you want to count 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:09.800 rookie Minicamp, but Monday as well with OTAs, I'm hearing 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:16.360 a lot of what's the word just criticism, nitpicking of 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.720 you know, oh, he's got this this hitch in his throat, 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.600 and he's got this tick now at the tapping of 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.640 the ball, and he's got you know, all these different 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:28.400 things that we're throwing out there. It's totally fair to 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.840 be critical, it's totally fair to tell you what your 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:33.480 eyes see. But on this show, what I think is 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.120 most important at all this is I want to kind 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.680 of break down the things into two categories of what 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.360 I think are legitimate things that he needs to work on, 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.480 not concerns, but things that he needs to work on mechanically, 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.880 and things that I think that are either missing the 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:51.680 point or kind of getting a little bit overblown. I 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.600 guess about his mechanics. So I have a couple of 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.560 different things that I've heard and a couple of different 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.800 things that I've seen as well that I want to 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:01.800 put in those two buckets. You know what, what's a 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.480 legitimate thing that I'm worried about, not worried, but a 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.400 legitimate thing that he needs to work on. And what's 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.600 the things that are getting a little bit out of control? 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.800 And I think the just starting with the the out 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:15.840 of control, because I think that's the easiest way to start. 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:21.040 The tapping of the football is a non issue. It's 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:25.120 a non issue now if he's as an old football, 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:29.560 if he's burping the baby, that's different. Right. What he's 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.880 doing is he's he's he's tapping the football because it's 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.760 a mechanical cueue, right, it's a rhythm thing. And what 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:40.560 he's trying to do is you want your your hips 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.200 to fire first, So you want to keep your upper 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.640 body closed to the target and you want your hips 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.080 to fire for first because then it creates like a coil, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.520 right where you're like working on the axis of your 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:55.360 body to kind of snap and create that that torque 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.200 to to drive the football. Like when we see Dak 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.560 Prescott warming up and he's doing the hip thing and 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.200 everybody's making fun of him for it. That's what he's trying. 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.480 That's the motion that he's trying to warm up or 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:09.000 get loose, trying to do. So, when you tap the 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.000 ball like a lot of quarterbacks do, and I'll get 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:13.880 to that in a second, when you tap the ball, 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.480 what you're doing is you're giving yourself a rhythmic queue 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:21.159 of fire the hips right, start, start the motion right. 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.159 While what it also does is it keeps your front, 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.320 you know, your your top of your body closed. So 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.480 when I say you know close, you want your shoulders 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.560 like this, and your shoulders are going to fly open 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.919 like that, you want them to stay closed until your 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:37.320 hips fire. If you're if you're opening before your hips fire, 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.040 then the whole mechanical chain is broken and you're not 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.320 getting any lower bod right. And now all you're throwing 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.920 with is your arm, which is what you want to avoid. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:49.639 So the tapping of the football is something that old 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:54.600 quarterback cliche, like old quarterback teachings from thirty years ago 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.800 would tell you that that's that's a bad habit. The 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.880 main reason why is because it might slow down your 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.800 release by like a tick of a second, and it 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.800 gives the defense a queue that you're about to throw 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.160 the ball right, that was what people used to say. 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:16.119 Then as time progressed, somebody named Tom Brady started tapping 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:19.600 the ball. And I don't think anybody's jumping tom Brady's 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.080 throws because he's tapping the football. Right didn't really seem 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.720 to be an issue for him. So tom Brady started 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.520 tapping the ball. Aaron Rodgers taps the ball. Patrick Mahomes 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.640 taps the ball. Matthew Stafford taps the ball. These are 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.960 just some guys recent that I can off the top 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.480 of my head that I know do this. And I 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.040 actually think that it could be a good thing for 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.960 Drake May because we are, you know, the Patriots are 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.280 trying to tie his mechanical chain together and keep him sound. 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.200 And if it takes that little queue to make him 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:51.879 do it, to help him do it, then I actually 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.000 think it's a good thing. Now, it has to be efficient, 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:56.239 it has to be quick, and it has to be 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.080 part of the overall motion. You don't want him going 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.280 out of his way to bring the football to his 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.600 offhand and tap the ball. The other guy, you know, 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.560 just really quickly. I thought it was funny that was 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:11.399 tapping the ball is Caleb. Yeah, So Caleb was tapping 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.080 the ball and Bears practice. I didn't hear anybody being like, 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:15.320 he's burping the baby. 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.880 The other thing is you mentioned this being efficient too sometimes. 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.480 I know, like with Brady, if it's a play where 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.560 you really have to get the ball out, yeah, he 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:23.320 just wouldn't do it. 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.280 Like there were certain things. It's like a quick game 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.800 or screen you know, receiver, perimeter screen. Yeah, of course. 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:30.359 The other thing is there's a difference I think what 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.439 people are maybe mistaking it. And you touched on this 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.080 a little bit. What's called burping the baby right, yeah. 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.760 So there's tapping the ball, which is tap and throw 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.120 right yeah. And then if you can if you're just listening, 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:41.840 I'm doing this with the water bottle you here, like 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.200 shaking around. Burping the baby is different. That's where you're 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.560 in the pocket right and you're waiting to throw and 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:51.680 you're tapping the ball. So that's that's bad. You don't 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:53.879 want to do that. And the big reason I think 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:55.480 there's a couple of reasons, but like the big reason 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:57.680 is if you don't have two hands on the football, 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.240 you know you're you're tap it and a pass rusher 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:02.560 comes around and boom knocks it out. 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:05.920 It's ball security, right, But to me, that is holding. 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.400 The problem with Drew is that he used to hold 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:11.479 the ball forever like It's not no, it's not even that. 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:14.359 It's because this was something with Rogers out of college. Actually, 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:16.200 I remember this when he first came in the draft. 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:18.320 The two things were he held the ball high and 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:21.040 he would pat it, and it just it makes it 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:24.000 a very easy target for pass rushers to get their 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.159 hands on in the pocket. You don't want to be 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.680 tapping the ball in the pocket. You want two hands 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:29.320 on the football. 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.359 But if it's one quick before you throw, you know, 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:34.760 if pass rusher gets there in that tenth of a second, 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:38.160 all power to him. That's different than just sitting there 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.440 and repeatingly tap and repeatedly tapping the ball. 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:43.800 Yeah. I just I think that some of these things, 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.320 And hopefully we'll get a chance to talk to Drake 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:50.960 Man Alex van Pelt soon about this because I'm curious, 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:53.919 and even TC McCartney too, I'm curious if this is 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:57.560 something that they're telling him to do versus I mean 0:20:57.960 --> 0:20:59.680 doing it on his own, or will he do it 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.000 a little bit in college, Not that I saw as 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.719 much as what they what he tried to do on Monday. 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:07.960 If they're telling him to do this, then there's a rhyme, 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.399 there's a method to the madness. If he's just all 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.000 of a sudden ticking, then that's a different story. But 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:14.880 I don't think that's what's going on. I think what's 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.719 going on is that he is trying to que himself 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:21.600 up or have a rhythm to his motion so that 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.639 he's more mechanically sound through the motion. And that's exactly 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:26.800 why Brady used to do it. It was a rhythmic cue 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:30.159 for Brady, and Brady did it. And I know this 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.480 is not a great example because I know you're gonna 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:36.280 tell me he sucks. But I always remember there was 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:39.080 a segment, I think it was one like a Monday 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:42.000 night football broadcast or something like that, where they talked 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.800 to Jimmy g about tapping the ball and he said 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.159 that he always was told as a kid that was 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.600 a bad habit, don't do it. And then he got 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.000 to New England and Brady started tapping the ball and 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:56.360 he was like, well, I feel more comfortable, more natural 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.040 doing it, And this guy's tapping the ball and he's 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.880 winning super Bowls ever the other year, so I now 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:04.679 think that this is probably overrated in terms of it 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:05.440 being a bad thing. 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:09.680 Yeah, again, it's are you if you're using it correctly, 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.520 it's fine. If it's just that one tap and go, 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:16.159 then there's actually a reason to it. It's when you 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:18.920 get in the pocket and you're doing it without purpose 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:20.959 that it becomes an issue. 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:23.840 Yeah. Yeah, So that that thing I put in the 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:28.120 bucket of non issue. I actually think that it's purposeful 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:31.200 that they're trying to do it with him. The one thing, 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:33.240 the two things that I put in that I think 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.359 really are things that I think need to be worked 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:41.359 on for him. The number one thing is the load 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.600 up to his throat, Like his release time and his 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:47.000 load up is it needs to be more efficient. 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:49.480 Well, he's never here's the one thing I will tell people. 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:52.680 He's never going to have the quickest release time because 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:53.080 he has. 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:53.680 Really long arms. 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.480 Yeah, and those quarterbacks like it's just your arm's got 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.160 to move, it's got to cover more distance. Yeah, So 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.040 he's always gonna have a little bit longer of a release, 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:02.520 but there are still ways he can cut it down. 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:03.800 So he's got a little bit of a hitch with 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:06.119 his shoulders. There's no doubt about that like when he 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:08.760 comes and he starts to separate his hands and he 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:11.800 comes out, his whole shoulders kind of just like go up, 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:13.919 like his whole body goes up. And it's not a 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:17.000 very it's not an efficient or like smooth motion. So 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:19.400 that's going to have to be fixed because that those 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:22.840 split seconds in the NFL do matter, right. That's that's 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:26.439 the difference between a pass breakup and a completion in 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:28.960 a lot of cases. Now, some big arm quarterbacks like 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:31.280 Drake may get away with it because the ball is 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:34.080 they have such velocity on the throw that they can 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:36.720 make up for it with velocity. But I think that 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.639 those types of things ideally he would not be doing. 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:41.399 You know, the load up or the hitch that he 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:43.919 has when he goes into his throw is noticeable. 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:44.439 Uh. 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:46.880 Just to go back real quick to the tapping the ball, 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:48.639 because you just reminded me of this, because I think 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:50.600 this is the way some people see it when you 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:53.440 talk about, you know, speeding up the release and cutting 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:56.679 down on it. Yeah, the tap is not extending the release. No, 0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:58.960 Like you said, you're not throwing during that portion of 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:00.560 the release anyway, because you got to get your hips 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:03.240 going first, right, These are things that you're talking about 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:04.120 now where. 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:05.159 Talking about is actual. 0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:08.560 He's adding steps to the throw and it's making the 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:11.480 throw take longer. So I think that's why some people 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:14.360 are concerned about the tapping the ball. Honestly, to bring 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:16.160 it all together is because they think it's an extra 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:19.000 step he's adding. You're not doing anything with the ball 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:21.080 in that point and release anyway, so it doesn't matter 0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:24.199 whereas this stuff with the shoulders, you could just be 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:25.600 throwing the ball at that point. 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:29.439 Yeah, I wonder if so. Another thing, and I know 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:31.240 I keep on bringing up Brady is not to compare 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:33.960 the two of them like the career wise or anything 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:36.400 like that, but Brady's the best mechanical thrower I've ever seen, 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.159 so everything that he did had a purpose to it. 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:42.359 With his mechanics, he at some point in his career 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:46.840 changed having his front arm tucked in so he would 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:49.440 bring the ball back and it would be very efficient. Right, 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:51.639 Whereas with Drake May, when I see him bring the 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:54.360 ball back, I see his front hand go up. It's 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:56.560 like a baseball throw. Yeah, and that's why the motion 0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:59.760 is like extended and the shoulders go up like this. 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:00.239 Right. 0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:03.760 So if you're able to maybe tuck in the hand 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:06.639 the front arm a little bit like Brady used to do, 0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:11.080 and he used to put like a tennis ball or 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:13.840 something like that to keep his front shoulder. He actually 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:15.520 his left hand would usually end up like on his 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:19.520 right shoulder. Yeah. Yeah, so that's what I see with 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:22.479 the shoulder hitch. I think that is legitimate that that 0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:24.480 needs to be more efficient and cleaned up and be 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:26.600 a little bit quicker, because you're right, he is going 0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:28.440 to have a little bit of a more of a looping, 0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:33.760 longer release naturally. I mean, Josh, yeah, so too. If 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:36.320 you're just really efficient with your upper body though, and 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.399 everything is kind of level and there's no hitch to it, 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:42.920 then you he'll speed it up. That will speed it up, 0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:45.520 and then he has the velocity that it's not going 0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:48.400 to matter that he might be a little bit slower 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:50.520 to the point, you know, to the release point than 0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:51.240 some other people. 0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:51.760 Uh. 0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:53.280 The other thing that I would say, and we talked 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:56.480 about this a little bit during practice, uh that I 0:25:56.760 --> 0:26:00.040 noticed that I don't It depends on who you listen to, 0:25:59.960 --> 0:26:03.120 you know. Some quarterback coaches don't think it's a big deal. 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:07.040 Some quarterback coaches think it's a big deal. I what 0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:08.720 I see with Drake May a lot of the time 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:13.639 is that he'll tilt his shoulder backwards, so his front 0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.439 shoulder is going to be up, like you know, backwards, 0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:20.119 and his his lower shoulder, his back shoulder is going 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:22.600 to be lower, and you're you're tilting like on an 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:26.600 axis backwards, right. And when what happens with that when 0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:28.800 you do that shoulder tilt is that it puts an 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.240 upward trajectory on the football. So the ball is just 0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:33.480 naturally going to have more air under it because of 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:36.080 the way that you're throwing. Now, Paul brought up on 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:39.080 Tuesday's PU and I was talking about this that Drew 0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:41.000 Brees used to do this. Yeah, but Drew Brees used 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:42.200 to do it because he was six feet tall. 0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:44.919 But like, so you said, you don't remember Brady doing it. 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:47.040 I remember Brady. It was on the deep balls. But 0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:49.040 I remember Brady doing this from time to time. 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:51.080 If he was loading up, like to throw like a 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:53.760 sixty five seventy yard bomb to Randy Moss. I'm sure 0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:56.520 he did it. But when what you really are don't 0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:59.639 want to see him do is do it on throws 0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:01.679 that you don't need him to do that because you 0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:03.920 want him to just drive the ball parallel. So I 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:06.960 feel like that will come. 0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:10.119 Eliminating the shoulders will come with like you said, flying 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.240 that front arm out, Yeah, because if you're flying your 0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:14.960 front arm out, the motion is kind of carrying you 0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:17.639 that way. If you keep the left arm tucked in, 0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:20.280 there isn't a ton of reason to lean back. 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:22.720 Yeah. I just feel like he has such a good 0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:26.080 arm that I don't think he needs the tilt right, So, 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.840 like he should be able to keep his shoulders even 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:31.800 and just drive the ball because if. 0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:34.760 You're flying your left arm out, it's naturally gonna push 0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:35.960 you back a little bit, right. 0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:39.280 Yeah, So maybe, like I'm saying, could the two be related. 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:43.679 It could be. I just noticed it on Monday, in particular, 0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:46.560 when he would try to throw the ball down the 0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:49.240 field a little bit more on some of the deeper throws, 0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:51.719 that he was tilting back a lot, And I just 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.440 I don't think the biggest thing is is I don't 0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:56.200 think he needs to do it, because I think he's 0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:58.400 got enough arm strength to just do it without it. 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:00.760 And he's not gonna He's tall, so he's not gonna 0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:02.480 have to worry about bat passes to the line of 0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:04.920 scrimmage and things like that. The reason why Drew Brees 0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:06.119 used to do it was to get it over the 0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:08.359 line of scrimmage. Yeah, that's why he would do it. 0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:10.520 Drake May is not going to have that problem. Shouldn't 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:12.680 At six foot four and a half, like he's gonna 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:14.760 be able to just throw the ball. So I would 0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:18.840 put those two things in the category of needs to 0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.040 be worked on. And I think the biggest thing that 0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:23.400 I came away from this just to wrap this whole 0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:25.720 thing up and put a bow on it, is that 0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.840 I come away from these two exposures to Drake May, 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:33.160 you know, rookie Mini Camp and Monday, I'm less concerned 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:36.560 now about the footwork and more kind of concerned about 0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:40.560 the his throwing footwork. Looks like they've made like significant Yeah, 0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:43.960 the footwork looks a lot better. I think maybe in 0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:47.360 the draft evaluation, I because I wasn't watching it up 0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:49.400 close and I was just watching it on film, I 0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:52.800 don't know if I necessarily noticed how much the motion 0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.880 itself needs to be in I'll say this too. 0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.600 This might be a minor thing, but I noticed it 0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:04.200 about both rookie quarterbacks strong cadence. Those guys come to line, 0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:08.280 they get it out. Yeah, and that may sound like yeah, no, dull, 0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:12.000 like they're playing quarterback. You'd be surprised how many young quarterbacks, 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:14.760 especially with all these college teams now where they go 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.240 silent count and I guess they'll get rid of this now. 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:19.080 But like the plays on the cards, everybody kind of 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:23.080 knows what's going on, and you've got the clap, the clap, 0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:25.800 cadence and all that. Yeah, you know, I've heard of 0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:27.920 examples where they have to really drill any kids when 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.080 they get into the league, like what goes into calling 0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:34.560 out of cadence. Both these guys May Milton, they're they're 0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:36.960 they're barking it out. They're out there, they're giving a 0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:40.000 strong cadence. H you know, every you can hear it 0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:41.600 all the way on the other end of the field. 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:45.960 It's with purpose, it's with confidence. Don't sleep on that. 0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:47.320 That's a good sign this early. 0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:50.800 Yeah, and a lot of West Coast coaches are really 0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:56.040 big on cadence. Yeah. Also having you know, Dak Prescott's okay, 0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.800 here we go, right, everybody makes fun of it, but 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.320 there's a lot of you know, West Coast coaches, which 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.240 is what Mike McCarthy is and comes from this tree 0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:08.720 with Van Pelton everybody. They're really big on cadence. And 0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.920 my guess is that a lot of the quarterbacks behind 0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:15.600 the scenes, like Jacoby Brissett Drake may are probably trying 0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:19.360 to have similar cues and cadences so that it's all 0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:22.440 the same no matter who's under center. So that's a 0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:24.640 very very big thing I think for a lot of 0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:25.680 West Coast coaches. 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.400 Well, I would just throw into the McCarthy angle. Who 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:30.920 worked with Rogers. We know Rogers uses the cadence as 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.040 a weapon. Yeah, in terms of getting guys to jump 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:36.000 off side, because you know with Dak, it was the 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.760 it's the okay, here we go. Aaron Rodgers, I don't 0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:40.400 remember what it is, but he has his own one, 0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:43.600 and so like defensive players used to tee off on it, 0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:45.920 like okay, with Snap's coming, so he used to write 0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:46.880 you dummy snacks. 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:49.280 Well, so so Dak has said this, Okay, here we go. 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:54.600 When he says that, basically, what that means is because 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.320 there's other people the lines communicating, the receivers might be 0:30:57.360 --> 0:30:59.920 talking okay, here we go. When Dak says that it's 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.640 everybody else on the field from here. 0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.520 I'm talking. Now, you're done with your adjustments. It's on me. 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:09.520 Except there is I think, a dummy call before it 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.000 where he can say okay, here we go and essentially 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:15.520 fake the snap. Rogers has a similar thing too, and 0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:18.040 so wouldn't surprise me if they're coaching Drake may On like, 0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.760 because that's the thing. Some quarterbacks are lazy with the cadence. 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:23.520 They go up and they're all right, yahy twenty two 0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:26.680 and so and then they call Hyke. But it's like, 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.200 you know, the hut or whatever it is, sounds different 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:33.160 than everything else, whereas with a guy like Rogers, with 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.600 a guy like Dak, it all. 0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:36.160 Sounds the same. 0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:39.360 It's all said with the same volume, with the same energy, 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:41.280 and it makes it that much tougher for the defense 0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:44.760 line up. I know this sounds super super minor. This 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.440 is as in the weeds as we get. But this 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.640 stuff can matter, and you know, it's good to see 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:55.280 young quarterbacks understanding that. I think with Milton Date, they 0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:57.920 use the cadence in certain ways of Tennessee. It's probably 0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:00.800 a little less of an adjustment for him. But again 0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:03.760 for both these guys, come out strong, cadence. You hear 0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:05.800 some things where guys don't always come out of college 0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:08.400 understanding the importance of that part of the game. And 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:10.280 it feels like with May and Milton they've drilled it 0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:10.760 in easy. 0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:16.560 Yeah, it's all this fundamental stuff is why people This 0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:19.479 is why I harp on the reps, right, because all 0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:21.960 these fundament This is the time of year to be 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.360 working on these fundamental things. This is the time of 0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:27.320 year to start tweaking a little. And you know, you know, 0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:28.840 I said that we have to be careful of how 0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:30.880 we assess Drake May, and I also say that the 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:33.040 Patriots have to be careful with how much they try 0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:36.360 to tweak. You have to pick, and this is why 0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:38.360 I wanted to put things in buckets, you know, like 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:41.800 what's important what's not. And I'm just giving you my opinion. 0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:43.840 I'm sure that they have a laundry list of things 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:45.720 that they feel like need to be fixed, and I'm 0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:48.520 you know, missing a bunch of them. But you have 0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:51.200 to pick, like a handful. You can't try to completely 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:55.120 change everything that the kid does, right, you have to 0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.240 try it, because then he's going to become robotic and 0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:58.720 he's not going to be himself and he's going to 0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:01.200 feel off and it's not gonna work. So you have 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:03.320 to pick a few things to try to harp on 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.240 on what he could really fix and what he you know, 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:08.320 what we should really not be so concerned about. And 0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.920 I think that's important as well, so that strike may 0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:13.720 before we open up the phone lines and everything. I 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:16.840 do also want to talk about the offensive line here briefly. Obviously, 0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:19.040 we got the news from Drod Mayo before practice that 0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:21.520 Cole Strange is month to month, and I and Rapaport 0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:25.360 added to that that there's some doubt about cold Strange's 0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:29.280 availability to start the year the regular season in September. 0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:34.920 So this is a big topic of both the whole 0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:38.239 cold Strange experience since a minute they drafted him and 0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:42.600 Sean McVay and let's need we're up there laughing at 0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:46.720 them drafting him on draft night in twenty twenty teens. 0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:53.200 Round yeah, today, where there's a conversation about just the 0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:57.000 pick itself, Cole Strange's future, but also you know, obviously 0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:58.840 what the team is going to look like without him 0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:02.560 comes September. I think the biggest thing is and I 0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:07.320 understand that you can't hold this against Elliott Wolf necessarily 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:09.880 because he wasn't the one making the final calls in 0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:13.040 all these situations. And it's not about holding it against anybody, 0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.880 but the Cold Strange pick has had such a giant 0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:21.399 domino effect on a lot of their decision making when 0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:23.360 it comes to the draft over the last couple of years. 0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:25.920 And to be fair, most first round picks, one way 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.480 or another do have a ton of domino effects. 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:28.719 Right. 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:30.919 It can be good, some can be bad. It's not 0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:36.720 necessarily that they that Blaydon Robinson is like a bad 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.040 player or a bad prospect or a bad pick in 0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:42.839 the fourth round. But these assets, it's about the assets, right, 0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:43.640 It's who. 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:45.719 Could they have been taking if they weren't chasing their 0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:47.640 tail at card Yeah? Really, I mean, honestly, if you 0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:49.440 really want to go back, it goes back to trading 0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:50.120 Shack Mason. 0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:52.920 Yeah, I mean, well, the domino effect of Joe Toney, 0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:56.640 Shack Mason, Ted Karris creating all of this void. But 0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:59.600 by not retaining those players or trading away one of 0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:02.960 those pla and Jack Mason's case opened the door to 0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:05.800 have to draft Cole Strange. We all knew at the 0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.320 time Cole Strange was a reach and was a risky 0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:12.279 pick at the time, and it's turned out that for 0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:14.120 once in a blue moon, sometimes the media is right. 0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.359 The media was right about this one, and that's gonna 0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:19.520 be the one that people off the Yeah, and it's 0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:23.520 it's not about blaming Elliott Wolf or this regime for 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:25.759 the Cole Strange pick in twenty twenty two, although they 0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.160 were here. But it's not about blaming them for it. 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:32.680 It's just in revision is history, the domino effect of 0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:36.400 like we said that the asset allocation, they've been chasing 0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:38.040 their tail is a great way to put it. They've 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.480 been chasing their tail at Guard ever since because he 0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:44.120 didn't fix the problem. So with that all being said, 0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:48.399 what is Cole Strange's future on the Patriots, I think 0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:52.640 is a really interesting question because can't make the club 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:56.040 from the tub, right, and even when he's been out there, 0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:58.600 he's had some ups and downs. He was I think 0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:00.799 he was starting to play a little bit better, yeah, 0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:02.520 towards the end of the year last year before he 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:05.840 got hurt. But in general, I think that one of 0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:08.200 the other things about Cold Strange that bugs me is 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:10.120 people that try to act like Cold Strange is good 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:14.880 when he's healthy. Cold Strange has been a inconsistent player 0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:18.640 even when healthy. You know, some good, some bad, streaky, 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.840 I would say, you know, has some good film a 0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:24.160 couple games in a row, and then we'll have a stinker. 0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.680 You know that sort of thing. So I'm still not 0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:29.319 sold even on a healthy Cold Strange being in a 0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:30.480 starting guard in the league. 0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:32.680 Well, here's what makes it so tough for me is 0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:38.240 we talked last year about how when he struggled early, 0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:41.480 how important the summer would have been for him and 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:43.799 how important training camp would have been for him, and 0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:46.440 he lost that development window and it felt like he 0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:49.319 was chasing until you got halfway into the year and 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:51.759 suddenly started playing a little better before he got hurt. 0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:55.560 He's gonna miss this summer too. She's now gonna miss 0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:58.560 this summer, another development window. And now next year he's 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.400 gonna be going into the final year contract at age 0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:08.560 twenty seven, essentially having missed two full spring training camps, 0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:11.160 which stunts a player's growth. 0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:15.120 It does, It just does. That's what happens. He's undersized, 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.879 so you worry about his durability from that point. It's just. 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:23.400 Missing missing two training Camps is so much bigger than 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:25.920 I think people realize, especially for a player like that. 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.719 And if you know, there's a real chance that I 0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:31.080 think we both think City Show. 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:31.760 Is a solid player. 0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:35.319 Yeah, let's say Laden Robinson wins the other spot or 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:37.360 at some point takes it over from Nick LeVert or 0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:42.960 Michael Jordan. I have to like double check myself every 0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:45.759 time I say it. What are the chances of city 0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:49.240 So in Lane Robinson proved? They're both starting caliber cards. 0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:54.840 Both. Yeah, the odds are not in their favor. You 0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:57.000 don't think so that both of them are starting calib 0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:58.919 starting I'm not saying all pro but like you feel 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:02.920 good about him, I think we just just by the 0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:04.359 sheer math of it, like they're all right. 0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:08.280 Let me put it this way between City So, Leighton Robinson, 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.400 Nick Leverett. Yeah, what are the chances that they have 0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:13.480 throw anybody else you want in there? At Tonio Maffi? 0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:15.200 What are the chances that they have two guys that 0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:17.000 we look at it, We get to like October and 0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.200 it's like, yeah, all right, they're they're good at guard. 0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:20.680 Man. 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:23.640 I love I love is a strong word. I like 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:26.000 City So. I think City So is gonna make it. 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.320 I think he'll be good. I watched them a Leverett 0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:32.640 in Tampa when they signed him in a little bit. 0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:34.680 I actually watched a little bit more yesterday because of 0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:37.600 all this news that's going on with Cold Strange. His 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:40.480 Tampa film is rough, Okay, I think the biggest thing 0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:44.120 that you see with his Tampa film is a lateral 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:46.960 movement skill, Like he's not. He's not very high level 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:50.200 pass protector because of his lateral movement and he's got 0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:53.839 shorter arms, so he's got some trouble with guys getting 0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:57.320 into him quickly as well. He's good run blocker. I 0:38:57.760 --> 0:38:59.759 think I wouldn't call him a great run blocker, but 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:02.480 he's he's solid as a run blocker. He definitely has 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.640 the play strength to be a decent run blocker. Tampa 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:07.520 pulled him a lot like they they got him on 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.480 the move a little bit in the run game, and 0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:12.560 he's got some of that ability certainly, But the pass 0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:15.480 Pro film was pretty rough. I think that he's a 0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:20.879 he's a third, you know, swing stuard, the backup type 0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:21.280 of player. 0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:24.400 So then maybe Cole Strange comes back and his job's 0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:28.799 waiting for him. But yeah, if not, I hope Lane 0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:30.360 Robinson ends up a starter. They took him with one 0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:34.680 hundred third overall pick. That's high for guard. Like, there's 0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:36.560 a chance that they have two starting guards and they 0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:38.359 just don't need col Strange. If not, then they're gonna 0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:41.400 keep him around because he has been you know, serviceable 0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:43.279 when he plays, and maybe he actually gets into camp 0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:45.440 next year bulks up a little bit, gets that development. 0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:48.600 But I just his his his development's still stunted right 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.000 now from all the time he's missed. Yeah, and it's 0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:52.200 it's tough to come back from that. 0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:55.000 So last week I told everybody that I wasn't that 0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:58.600 concerned about the offensive line. Yet this makes me more 0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:02.719 concerned because now you're talking about two spots. Basically you're 0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:05.160 talking about the whole left stone and really three what's 0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:08.120 the third one? The other guard? Well, I think City 0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:10.759 is gonna be okay there, all right, Well, I feel 0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:15.840 good about David Andrews City and On being starting caliber 0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:19.440 lineman for them, so whatever the configuration is, but I 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:24.480 feel good about those three. If I I on almost wonder, 0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:27.160 and I think they did this on Monday, right, I 0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:30.200 almost wonder if it's better to play City at left 0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:34.600 guard and put Leverett in between Andrews and on. So 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:36.879 that's that's what they did. That's what they should do, right, 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.040 because you're kind of spacing out. If your whole left 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:42.000 side's a turnstile, then then that's a big, big problem. 0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:43.440 And here's what worries me. 0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:45.919 So you're your whole take last week because you believe 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:48.399 in Scott Peters and that's why you felt good about it. 0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:51.520 And I'm not not and you know I'm a big believer. 0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:57.239 And if it's one spot, yeah, you can cover one spot. Yeah, 0:40:57.280 --> 0:40:58.960 But I look at it. You have. 0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:02.360 At left tackle, you're either going to have a converted 0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:04.760 right tackle, whether it's it's gonna be Dukes or Wallace, 0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:07.560 it's gonna be or you're gonna have well, but just 0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:09.680 the guys they put out there right, you have you 0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:12.280 have ocor four and Wallace who are converted right tackles, 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:14.520 or ve Darian Lowe who is a left tackle but 0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:17.080 is a project player in his own reguard. You are 0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:21.719 going to have a left guard who is moving from 0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:23.600 playing right guard last year and he played left guard 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:25.440 in college. But the point it's like new position to 0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:28.520 assignments your center's David Andrews you're fine there. 0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:29.480 You're gonna have a. 0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:32.080 Right guard that is probably a rookie or a second 0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:34.080 year player who didn't play a ton last year, like 0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:37.440 a project player there, or a career backup right. And 0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:42.000 then your right tackle who is a good player. This 0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:45.120 is his first offseason working exclusively at right tackles, so 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.960 there's a different sort of training there. So if you 0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:52.920 look at it, there's development needed, like true hands on 0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:56.120 development needed at four of the five spots. 0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:57.759 Or starting to play Jenga here. 0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:03.320 That's they are asking a ton of Scott Peters in 0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:05.360 this offensive line coaching staff, and they actually have a 0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:08.000 bunch of offensive line coaches, which maybe is part of the 0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:11.879 reason their comfortable. Don't they have a third two I'm 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:15.840 trying to pull it up here. No, they said Michael McCarthy, 0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:18.080 the guy they signed for Brown, who's like he's listed 0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:20.600 as an offensive assistant. He's been a line coach career, 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:23.319 So they have they have a lot of guys there. 0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:25.840 But you're at we'll see and maybe they're I'm not 0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:27.399 saying they're not up for it. I'm not even saying 0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:31.120 they're not good coaches, but they're asking that that offensive 0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:35.000 coaching specifically offensive line coaches to do a. 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:39.000 Lot that we're starting to get into the territory nowhere 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:42.880 where my my I was at like a three last week. 0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:45.680 Now when you start to really break it down, and 0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:48.680 I don't think that even though it's it's super super 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:52.080 early for him in this transition, I didn't. I didn't 0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:54.080 feel a whole lot of confidence coming from Choose the 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:57.600 Corra for post practice on Monday either about him playing 0:42:57.640 --> 0:43:01.400 left tackle. He seemed like, Yep, this is gonna be 0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:03.440 it's gonna be a test, like this is gonna be 0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:06.960 a He didn't sound super confident. No, So I feel 0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:09.719 like we're starting to teeter a little bit, even for 0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:11.840 me now, like I'm I'm up to probably like a 0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:14.680 six or a seven on the concern scale. Like this 0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:18.000 like doubled my level of concern. Not because of how high. 0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:19.919 I mean, I've been clear that I'm not as super 0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:22.600 high on col Strange as a player, But it's just 0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:26.040 like you said, we're moving pieces around now, you have 0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:28.280 younger players playing that don't have a ton of experience. 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.719 You're just starting to really shuffle the deck a lot, 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:33.920 which is I think the bigger concern. I will continue 0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:39.080 to pound the table, continue to pound the table for 0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:42.160 Mike On when new playing guard. That doesn't help you, Yes, 0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:44.400 it does because it puts people in natural positions. And 0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:49.080 then who's your right tackle? Wallace? All right? Yeah, but 0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:53.400 now the line is a whole left to right, Chukes, City, 0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:58.800 Andrews On Wallace, everybody is playing their natural spots. City 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:00.440 was a left guard in college. I know he's got 0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:02.960 to learn at this level and played right guard last year, 0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:04.839 but he was a left guard in college. I think 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:07.640 that's really where he feels more natural. Anyways, and I 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:12.319 keep saying it. You developed that line and the next year, 0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:14.560 at the top of the draft, you draft Will Campbell 0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:16.680 or Kelvin Banks junior, and he's your left tackle. I 0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:20.000 just wish they drafted a left tackle. Yeah, I would 0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:22.560 have obviously would have expedited things. But once you get 0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:24.680 into the third round at sixty eight, when you really 0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:26.640 start to think about it, if you have a much 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:28.719 higher grade on Caden Wallace, then you should have taken 0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:30.799 Kaden Wallas. They should trade it up. They should have 0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:33.680 Patrick Paul goes fifty five. There's a run coming. That's fair, 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:37.160 that's fair that it's a totally fair second guess of 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.360 how they handled it. Yeah, I just think. 0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:41.160 That, like, k don't get this, Kane Wallace was the 0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:43.000 best offensive lineman on the board at sixty eight. 0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:45.560 I just don't love that they picked at sixty eight. Yeah. 0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:48.160 I just feel like at this point you have to 0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:50.319 almost cut your losses and just make the best out 0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:52.440 of the situation. I think the way to make the 0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:54.960 best out of the situation is to at least go 0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:57.319 into the season with everybody playing a position they feel 0:44:57.360 --> 0:45:01.040 comfortable with playing. And I also have been pretty surprised 0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:04.879 that Annu doesn't look slimmed down or lighter or any 0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:08.040 sort of like preparation for him to play. He looks 0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:10.200 the same as he always does in terms of like 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:14.479 being that you know, blocking guard build. I just feel 0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:18.600 like that's not only do I think that that probably 0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:20.839 has the highest ceiling in terms of the line this year, 0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:23.080 but I also think that that is the best line 0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:26.080 that you can have for the next three to five years. Yeah. 0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.680 And we start talking about Drake May and his window 0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:30.800 on the rookie contract and all that, Like, I feel 0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:32.640 like that's the best thing. And if you have the 0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:34.960 quarterback on the rookie contract, you can afford to pay 0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:37.680 a guard eighteen nineteen million dollars a year like they're 0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:39.799 paying Mike on Wenu, Like you can afford that at 0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:42.040 this point in time, right, you have fifty million dollars 0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:46.719 in cap space still and on May twenty third, So 0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:50.160 money is not an issue about asset allocation and stuff 0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:52.279 like that. We'll see what they end up doing. It's 0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:54.759 right now, we're starting to get on mess territory with 0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:57.040 the offensive line. We're starting to get there. I mean 0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.399 you can say we're starting to get there. Been there. 0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:03.120 I'm sorry to get it all right, Let's take some 0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:05.680 of these calls, and then we have a few more 0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:08.280 things I wanted to get to on OTA's But Patrick 0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:10.000 is in Pennsylvania. What's up? Patrick? 0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:11.879 Hey? 0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:13.880 Love gets twenty two keep up some great work. And 0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:16.120 before I said a question, I agree with you, and 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:19.880 I think Goes chokes City Andrews on one who Wallace 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:22.520 put everybody in the right position. But my actual question is, 0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:25.320 aside from maybe some of the offensive line and running 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:29.880 back depth, looking at defense outside of outside corner, is 0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:33.560 there any other greater team needs than that? At this point, 0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:35.439 I see a bunch of slock corners on the roster 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:38.480 not a lot of true outside guys or at least 0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:41.920 proven guys. Do you realistically see us addressing that with 0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:45.239 a veteran, whether that be Gilmore or somebody else, or 0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:47.760 have you seen enough from practice to roll with Gonzo 0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:51.160 and Johnson Jones at the outside and then a mix 0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:55.120 of Marcus Jones, Dial Bolton, Austin, et cetera at the inside. 0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:58.160 Thanks guys, Yeah, thanks for the call of Patrick. I'm 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:00.960 not maybe this is mebe be naive like I was 0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:03.759 with left tackle last week. I'm not necessarily concerned that 0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:05.399 with outside corner or corner. 0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:07.759 I say, it's the other way around. I think they 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:12.000 have more boundary corners and slot corners. You got Christian Sauce, 0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:17.080 you got Alex Austin, You've got uh Marco Wilson right 0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:18.839 can play on the boundary. I like this guy, Mikey 0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:21.520 Victor of the UDFA they picked up. Jonathan Jones can 0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:24.360 play on the boundary. Marcel's dials a boundary corner like 0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:28.160 you got guys there. It's the slot. I did not 0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:30.360 say Isaiah Bolden, but Denk I'd put him in that 0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:33.320 group too. It's the slot that worries me more. You know, 0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:35.840 maybe Jonathan Jones goes back in the slot and and 0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:38.719 I guess that's my Mike on WNU at right guard 0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:43.080 where it's like it's a slightly less impactful position. But 0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:45.680 I just think the puzzle fits better if you do that. 0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:48.160 But if it's not him, you know, I think Marcus 0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:50.040 Jones can be a good slot corner, but he's a 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:52.719 small guy. Durability he's gonna be a question. And then 0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:55.880 after that it really drops off in the slot. You know, 0:47:55.960 --> 0:48:00.360 I Sean Wade has shown some some progress, but is 0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:03.120 he a guy you're really comfortable with being potentially your 0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:06.360 second slot corner. I think Caleb Ford dement to U 0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:08.120 DFA can play in the slot a little bit. But 0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:11.440 it really thins out that to me is now they 0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:14.200 could add a guy on the boundary, move John Jones 0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:16.399 back into the slot full time. You know, he had 0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:18.919 Steph Gilmore and and and now you're in good shape. 0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:21.239 So that's right, add the veteran the slots where they're 0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:22.840 where they're actually thinner, I think. 0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:25.600 So I guess maybe I just it's semantics, but like 0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:28.040 I don't really get caught up too much and inside 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:30.920 outside right now, when it comes to corners because so 0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:34.640 many of these receivers travel in an hour. So like 0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:37.040 when you play Miami, Like, does it really make a 0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:39.480 difference if you have inside or outside guys like Jalen 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:41.640 Wattle and Tyree kill are gonna line up. 0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:45.160 I think it's more at this point using those to 0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:49.960 describe the prototype of the player, the skill set, rather 0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:53.080 than the uh, you know, alignment. 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.200 I hear you there. I just think that what I 0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:57.920 the way I look at it, and I think that, again, 0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:02.000 this is probably pretty semantics. But Gonzo's gonna take the 0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:04.640 top X receiver. Yes, right, so he's gonna take the 0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:07.520 top X receiver. Jonathan Jones is gonna take the top 0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:10.680 Z receiver. And in today's NFL, not that this is 0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:13.840 probably true always, It's just I only know today's NFL. Uh. 0:49:13.960 --> 0:49:16.879 The zero receiver travels like right, Like he's he's an 0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:18.800 off the line player for a reason. He's gonna be 0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:21.160 moving around. He's gonna play inside, he's gonna play outside. 0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:24.040 He's gonna play out of stacks, bunch of alignments. Uh, 0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:26.800 he's gonna come in motion like That's why he's playing 0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:28.360 off the line of scrimmage so that he can be 0:49:28.400 --> 0:49:31.160 a chess piece that they can move around. So in 0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:34.920 my mind, I actually think Jonathan Jones is excellent for 0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:37.560 that role. Now, if they play a team with a 0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:41.279 great Z receiver, you know, somebody that plays that role 0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:44.600 that is excellent at it. Maybe Gonzo takes that player 0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:46.759 that week. And then you start to get into the 0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:49.600 issues of Okay, well, now who plays the boundary, you know, 0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:51.799 permanently and all that. I get that, maybe you could 0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:55.000 get into that minutia. But to me, it's simple as 0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:59.400 Gonzo's gonna play the boundary. Jonathan Jones is gonna be 0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:01.759 the the shadow, right, He's going to run around with 0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:04.480 whoever's off the line of scrimmage. And then, like you said, 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:07.719 the true slot is really the next trickle down, and 0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:10.680 I think that the ideally it's Marcus Jones, right, Ideally 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:12.239 he steps out and I think he can do it, 0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:13.160 but he's got to be healthy. 0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:14.839 And then who do you have behind him, because right 0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:17.160 now it's Sean Wade And now you're starting to get into, 0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:18.520 you know, being a little thing. 0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:21.960 Yeah, I think the one spot that I look at 0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:26.880 too is early downs, you know, first, second down. I 0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:28.840 think there's a really good chance that their three safety 0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:31.960 Nickel a lot, and you have like a slot defender 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.839 instead of a corner and it's Gabriel Peppers or it's 0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:37.200 Kyle Duggar, you know, something like that. Yeah, but I 0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:39.080 hope it's sick because we've seen them do that in 0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:42.120 the past, over do that and they end up putting 0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:45.480 just guys that are too slow on burners. Yeah, if 0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:47.239 it ends up being you know, if you're playing a 0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:50.279 team that ends up just countering with eleven person out, 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:52.680 then you have to match it with Trim Nickel. But 0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:54.279 I think that a lot of these teams that they 0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:56.440 play against that are going to be a little run 0:50:56.480 --> 0:50:59.040 heavy on early downs or play action run heavy, like 0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:01.560 that's going to be the sequel in their offense, or 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:03.719 maybe the game plan that week is to play just 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:05.480 a bunch of zone because they just feel like that's 0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:08.359 how they match up best against an opponent. I feel 0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:11.040 like that that three safety Nickel comes into play a lot, 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:14.000 So I think that maybe that adds a little bit 0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:17.120 of depth to corner or slot corner, I should say, 0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:20.959 just because the the safety is factoring just a little 0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:24.239 bit into how that's gonna work out. If you ask me, 0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:28.879 the spot on the defense that I feel is maybe 0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:31.480 the most vulnerable. I guess the way to put it 0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:34.400 is edge rusher. You only feel that way because they 0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:36.879 had nobody out there practice here. Maybe I just feel 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:39.120 like it's the same as last year though, where if 0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:40.880 Judon gets hurt, like. 0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:43.760 Who, well, I mean, yeah, if you lose your best player, 0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:45.480 the defense is we're talking. 0:51:45.280 --> 0:51:48.080 About depth and that's how depth works, like you, and 0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:51.279 it's also not just about him getting hurt. If they 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:54.480 have any plans of winning some games this year, yeah, 0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:56.520 then the Judon trade to me is off the table, 0:51:56.800 --> 0:52:00.520 Like you can't if you trade Judon, I don't know 0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:03.400 where you're getting the pass rush from, and I like 0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:07.480 supposed to. Yeah, but he's a situational guy. Like I'm 0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:10.000 talking about three downs and I know they have bar 0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:12.520 Moore in the middle, but I'm talking about from the outside, 0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:15.360 Like where does the pass rush come from? And this 0:52:15.520 --> 0:52:17.800 kind of goes to the Keon White point that I 0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:19.480 had written down as something I wanted to talk to 0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:22.720 as well. Uh, I just don't know where the pass 0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:25.440 rush on first down comes from outside of obviously the 0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:29.399 interior with bar Moore. If Judon's not on this football team, 0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:33.719 Like where it's not going to come from Jennings is 0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:35.840 not going to be on the field because he's not 0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:38.719 his situation. And I say, really change what they do 0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:41.279 from a front mechanic standpoint, which I don't think they're 0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:45.200 gonna do. And in terms of pure pass rush, I'm 0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:49.040 still not one hundred percent sold. That's Keon White's MO 0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:51.319 like he was pretty good at that last year before 0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:53.640 you got that concussion. I feel like, I feel like 0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:57.120 he's a disruptor, right, And there's a difference between being 0:52:57.360 --> 0:53:01.879 a disruptor and what Judon is. Judn's a sack artist. Yeah, 0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:05.840 but they've they've gotten by for years with disruptors. I 0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:06.800 guess I don't know. 0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:09.000 I feel like I don't think you need I don't 0:53:09.000 --> 0:53:13.319 think you need two fifteen sack guys necessarily to be No. 0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:17.320 It's more just you know, kind of thinking about it 0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:21.200 without Judon, Like if Judni is traded or Judai gets 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:24.000 hurt again, or whatever the case may be, I think 0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:26.040 you're back into a world, which is where I think 0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:30.200 they were last year, where the pressures has to be schemed. 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:34.120 It has to be you know, simulated pressures, creepers, blitz 0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:36.080 is whatever. Well, the other thing I wish to and 0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:37.920 this goes back to my thing about the deep safety. 0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:41.200 Remember is his rookie year. They used to use Kyle 0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:43.600 Duggar's pass rusher. He's like pretty good at it. 0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:44.640 They could try to do that again. 0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:46.600 I would look, but then the problem is, all right, 0:53:46.640 --> 0:53:48.200 so now you've got to put Jabrill Pepper's on the 0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:50.520 back end where he's not as impactful as when he's 0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:51.800 playing near the line of scrimmage. 0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:54.359 I hate they don't have real free safety all right? 0:53:55.160 --> 0:53:56.840 Z is in Springfield? What's up? 0:53:56.920 --> 0:53:59.879 Z Hi? How you guys doing. 0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:02.239 Do you think they should trade a first and a 0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:03.720 fourth for T Higgins? 0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:09.239 Okay, thanks for the call. Uh No, I would not 0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:11.640 trade a first round pick for T. Higgins. And it's 0:54:11.719 --> 0:54:14.719 not because I don't think that T Higgins could net 0:54:14.840 --> 0:54:17.520 a first round pick. The Patriots first round pick is 0:54:17.560 --> 0:54:19.319 going to be a top ten pick next year. Yeah. 0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:21.400 I don't think T Higgins is worth the eighth overall 0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:26.279 pick in the draft. I just don't. Now there's a line, right, 0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:28.279 Like there's there's certain players that I do think are 0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:31.719 worth Obviously I don't. This is I'm not saying it's 0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:34.919 happening by any means, But like Justin Jefferson is worth 0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:38.000 the eighth overall pick in the draft, I don't think 0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.360 T Higgins is there. I don't think Brandon Ayuk is 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:42.920 there either. I think the starting point for the Patriots 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:45.880 on a T. Higgins trade is their twenty twenty five 0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:48.800 second round pick and maybe the fourth round pick that 0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:51.680 he mentioned or something like that. But I can't part 0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:53.760 with a top ten pick in the draft for T. Higgins. 0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:57.000 Yeah, I know, I'm not giving up a first round 0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:58.919 pick because of where that pick could be, second or fourth. 0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:00.960 Absolutely I'd go out and get T Higgins because this 0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:03.000 whole thing looks so much more complete if you do that, 0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:05.040 But I'm not giving up a first round pack. 0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:07.640 For my other take on on the T Higgins Brandon 0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:10.239 Ayuk all that we all would love to have those 0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:12.560 guys on the Patriots team. Like you said, the whole 0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:15.480 thing looks a whole lot better. I do wonder if 0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:19.840 they're maybe a year away from that move, because I 0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:22.839 think in some respects we don't know when Drake May 0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:26.759 is gonna play. And as much as T Higgins will 0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:29.320 help Drake May in two years anyways, it's just a 0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:32.480 matter of when you know like that that sort of 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:33.759 thing happens. That's fair, you know. 0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:34.920 I don't know that you need to be in the 0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:36.879 biggest rush to do it, especially when you look at 0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:39.120 the guys that are up next to especially. 0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:41.839 Because they have no intentions whatsoever of re signing him 0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:45.680 in Cincinnati, So like why pay? But he's not gonna 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:48.440 hit the market. He's gonna get traded before he gets maybe, 0:55:48.560 --> 0:55:51.399 I mean he's he's gonna have to sign the tag 0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:53.560 and then he's gonna have to get traded on the tag. 0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:57.399 Like I it's a complicated that becomes complicated. These guys 0:55:57.480 --> 0:55:59.040 just don't hit free agency. I guess I'll believe it 0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:00.719 when I I don't necessarily think he's gonna hit with 0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:02.960 free agency either. I just I just think it's a 0:56:03.040 --> 0:56:05.880 little bit more of a complex situation than that. I 0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:10.080 just I look at it this year. I don't know 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:12.160 if Drake May is gonna be ready to play right away. 0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:16.120 T Higgins with Jacobe Brissett, really like all that does 0:56:16.480 --> 0:56:18.520 for you is maybe give you one or two more wins, 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:21.560 which puts your draft pick in a worse spot. And 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:23.840 I also think that you got to see at receiver 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:28.879 what Jalen Polk and Javon Baker have and that's true. 0:56:28.920 --> 0:56:31.440 And I'd also throw Pop Douglas in there too. You know, 0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:34.680 I always go back to the Green Bay comparison. If 0:56:34.880 --> 0:56:39.440 in a year from now, it Jalen Polk, Javon Baker 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:43.520 and Pop Douglas look like Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs and 0:56:43.640 --> 0:56:47.640 Jayden Reid, then a player like T Higgins or Brandon 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:49.600 night Yuka is like the cherry on top that maybe 0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:52.520 makes you like ridiculously good on offense. 0:56:52.760 --> 0:56:56.360 Right the trade the idea of like a second and 0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:58.920 a fourth for one of these top receivers, which seems 0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:01.680 to be about what it costs that should be on 0:57:01.800 --> 0:57:04.320 the table if it's not T Higgins right now, Like 0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:06.560 I'm okay with that, but you look at the list 0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:07.960 of guys that are gonna be up nexture. I think 0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:09.520 Tara McLaurin got an extension right. 0:57:10.920 --> 0:57:12.719 He did recently. I don't know if it was this 0:57:12.840 --> 0:57:15.759 past Dk Metcalf. 0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:18.439 Dk Metcalf is a big one for me, Like DK 0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:21.600 Metcalf with Drake may would be I mean, talk about yeah, 0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:25.720 fit Terry Mclaurin's if I'm thinking the extension is gonna 0:57:25.720 --> 0:57:27.760 be up DJ Moore if they move on from him, 0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:29.520 because they got a bunch of good receivers, there's gonna 0:57:29.520 --> 0:57:32.120 be up. I don't think they're getting Garrett Wilson, but 0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:34.240 like j jaylen Wade because they're in the division. But 0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:36.520 like there's a lot of good receivers that are going 0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:39.760 to be that like pending free agent trade candidate guy 0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:43.600 next year, so that that trade should be on the 0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:45.720 table if it's not T Higgins right now. To your point, 0:57:45.760 --> 0:57:47.960 I understand that, you know, maybe they want to see 0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:49.400 what they have this year, and if Drake May is 0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:51.440 not like this anyway, you don't have to rush into it. 0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:54.560 But when we get to the spring, when we get 0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:58.000 to the spring of twenty twenty five, I think that 0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:00.520 that becomes you know, guys like DK Metca, that should 0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:01.440 become a real conversation. 0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:04.200 Absolutely, one hundred percent agree. I just look at it, 0:58:04.360 --> 0:58:07.840 and I look at this year, the twenty twenty four 0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:11.040 season as year zero. This is not I don't even 0:58:11.080 --> 0:58:13.200 look at this, no, no, it's it is. It is 0:58:13.320 --> 0:58:15.240 year Zero's the year that you're so bad you get 0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:17.560 the draft pick. I know, to me, this is year zero. 0:58:17.680 --> 0:58:20.800 Yeah, it's year one. It's your it's the quarterbacks first year, 0:58:20.840 --> 0:58:23.280 it's year one. That's because he might not even play. 0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:25.600 You time it up to the rookie contract. That's just 0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:28.360 how year zero to me. No, okay, this is a 0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:30.280 full on developmental season. 0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:33.200 It can be year zero to you. I'm telling you. 0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:35.760 You know, having talked to people, the way that this 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:39.960 thing goes, it's considered year one. Okay, well, I disagree 0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:42.600 with that. Here's here's the if you drafted a quarterback 0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:44.840 that was ready to play right out of the gate, 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:48.320 you know, if it was Mac Jones two point zero, 0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:50.240 or if it was you know, Jayden Daniels, who I 0:58:50.240 --> 0:58:53.720 think we'll be probably ready to play right away for Washington, 0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:55.600 then I would agree that this is year one. But 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:57.760 since you're probably going to plan on sitting Drake May 0:58:57.840 --> 0:59:00.040 for at least six to eight weeks like I, but 0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:02.560 you have to time it to his rookie contract. It's 0:59:02.640 --> 0:59:05.840 not I'm not necessarily the contract. I'm not necessarily talking 0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:09.320 about that. I'm just talking about the developmental cycle of 0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:12.400 the entire team. And I look at right now that 0:59:12.680 --> 0:59:15.400 I would like to see what the young receivers have. 0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:18.720 Sure I start playing that twenty five million dollars a year. 0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:21.000 What I'm telling you is they went to the double 0:59:21.040 --> 0:59:22.840 box in the video. That's how you know it's getting good. 0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:26.040 What I'm telling you is the way it's it's it's 0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:29.240 generally looked at Yeah, year zero is the year you're bad? 0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:31.240 Well, right, But why do I care how it's generally 0:59:31.240 --> 0:59:31.600 looked at it? 0:59:31.720 --> 0:59:34.760 Or because I'm educating the audience, because this is what 0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:37.120 the timeline should be for drafting quarterback? 0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:41.600 This is out should work. Year one is the quarterback 0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:44.280 a guy you're moving forwards with? Yes or no? Is 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:45.600 I don't know if we're going to have that answer 0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:48.040 because he might not play well, then they'll be behind schedule. 0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:49.880 But you I don't think they'll be behind that. You 0:59:49.920 --> 0:59:52.680 can find that out behind the Chiefs. Behind schedule, like, 0:59:52.720 --> 0:59:54.640 I don't think that means he's there nobody, but they 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:55.520 clearly knew. 0:59:56.720 --> 0:59:58.840 We didn't see it because he wasn't playing in games. 0:59:58.920 --> 1:00:02.320 They moved on from Alex. They were comfortable they knew, okay, 1:00:02.360 --> 1:00:04.400 that Mahomes is the guy. So just because he doesn't 1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:06.400 play in games doesn't mean you don't know what you 1:00:06.480 --> 1:00:08.960 have in him at some point though at some point 1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:10.320 he has played the game at some point he does, 1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:12.520 and he's got to have like not saying that the 1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:15.960 Chiefs got lucky by any means, but like that technically 1:00:16.040 --> 1:00:18.200 could have gone either way still until he got into 1:00:18.200 --> 1:00:20.920 an NFL gave Now sure he played that last regular 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:23.800 season he played. So and you're saying, Drake May might 1:00:23.840 --> 1:00:25.840 play six to eight, Drake May is playing this year. 1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:28.640 I don't think they're gonna go seventeen years. So year 1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:32.600 one is, let me put it this way, If Drake 1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:37.400 May is is, if let's say worst case scenario, like 1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:39.120 he gets out of there and like this guy's not close, 1:00:39.760 --> 1:00:42.480 then you're not trading for DK Metcalf next year. 1:00:42.520 --> 1:00:45.080 Because you don't know. Because then if if you trade 1:00:45.080 --> 1:00:48.000 for dass trade, which happened what in between year two 1:00:48.000 --> 1:00:48.480 and three. 1:00:48.400 --> 1:00:51.840 For exactly, if if you're not confident in Drake Man 1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:54.160 you trade for DK Metcalf, you blew that asset when 1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:56.400 you might have to be picking another quarterback again in 1:00:56.480 --> 1:00:59.280 a year or two and now DK Metcalf's old and 1:00:59.320 --> 1:01:00.439 he's out of his problem and whatever. 1:01:00.680 --> 1:01:03.440 So that's kind of my point. Year one is is 1:01:03.520 --> 1:01:04.880 your quarterback the guy? Yes or no? 1:01:04.960 --> 1:01:07.280 Have you checked the first box in the rebuilt category. 1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:11.760 Year two, can you just be competitive? Can you may 1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:13.960 be surprised in a couple of games. Are you flirting 1:01:14.000 --> 1:01:14.840 with the playoff spot? 1:01:15.360 --> 1:01:17.120 Year three? You should be. 1:01:17.480 --> 1:01:19.720 This is when you should have that receiver in place. 1:01:20.240 --> 1:01:22.680 You should go and get that. All these quarterbacks go 1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:24.120 into year three, right. 1:01:24.120 --> 1:01:25.880 You gotta I think you gotta speed it up a 1:01:25.920 --> 1:01:26.280 little bit. 1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:28.560 Year three is when you should really be like you 1:01:28.560 --> 1:01:30.200 should be in the playoffs. You should be contending for 1:01:30.240 --> 1:01:33.000 your division. Years four and year five, that's your super 1:01:33.040 --> 1:01:35.480 Bowl window. That's your true super Bowl window. That is 1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:37.720 what the path should be for developing a young quarterback. 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:40.400 With Mac Jones, they were ahead of schedule, they made 1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:43.760 the playoffs. Year one peaked well exactly, they got a 1:01:43.800 --> 1:01:45.080 head of schedule. Well, I think they got a head 1:01:45.080 --> 1:01:46.440 of schedule and got a little too comfortable. 1:01:46.560 --> 1:01:47.040 They peaked. 1:01:47.720 --> 1:01:50.760 So let's just figure out this year. If they come 1:01:50.800 --> 1:01:53.200 away from this year and it can happen behind the scenes, Evan, 1:01:53.280 --> 1:01:55.800 we may not know it. If they can come away 1:01:55.840 --> 1:01:58.240 from this year that yes, we're gonna invest in Drake May, 1:01:58.280 --> 1:02:01.000 We're gonna build this thing around Drake May. Then this 1:02:01.120 --> 1:02:03.080 year is a success. Then you go out and get 1:02:03.160 --> 1:02:05.120 DK Metcalf. Then you go out and get your left 1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:07.760 tackle in the draft, and now you're starting on that 1:02:07.880 --> 1:02:10.560 upward trajectory of Okay, we know we have the guy. 1:02:11.200 --> 1:02:12.960 Now we've put the pieces around, and let's see what 1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:16.240 that looks like. Year three you finish rounding out the roster, 1:02:16.760 --> 1:02:19.080 and then year four and year five you're going for it. 1:02:20.520 --> 1:02:22.360 If they don't make the playoffs by year three, I 1:02:22.400 --> 1:02:25.080 don't know if maybe if you don't year three you 1:02:25.120 --> 1:02:26.600 should be in the playoffs. I don't know. 1:02:26.600 --> 1:02:27.920 If I was clear about that, I would say you 1:02:27.960 --> 1:02:30.480 should be contending for your division, but you should be 1:02:30.520 --> 1:02:31.120 in the playoffs. 1:02:31.480 --> 1:02:35.560 But if I just think that history tells us, and 1:02:35.600 --> 1:02:38.439 maybe the craft will be more patient, but history tells 1:02:38.520 --> 1:02:42.080 us that it's really a two year window that you 1:02:42.200 --> 1:02:43.280 have to get the team. 1:02:43.120 --> 1:02:45.880 You're not If no, and I'm with you on that, 1:02:46.000 --> 1:02:49.440 and this timeline exists in that context, Yeah, if you're 1:02:49.520 --> 1:02:52.200 not in the playoffs in year three, you are behind schedule. 1:02:52.440 --> 1:02:55.120 Yeah. I think that you start talking about people's jobs 1:02:55.160 --> 1:02:57.840 at that point. I think the other thing that year 1:02:57.920 --> 1:03:00.160 two you should be like a borderline playoff team, Like 1:03:00.280 --> 1:03:04.200 maybe you sneak in said what the Patriots were Mac 1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:06.120 Jones rookie year is really what you want to be 1:03:06.160 --> 1:03:09.160 in year two. So we have two different models to 1:03:09.240 --> 1:03:12.480 kind of look at here. I think number one is 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:15.880 what's going on right now with the Houston Texans. So 1:03:15.920 --> 1:03:19.360 the Houston Texans are their way ahead of schedule because 1:03:19.360 --> 1:03:22.520 of Stroud. But what they did was what I'm advocating 1:03:22.600 --> 1:03:25.240 for the Patriots to do this year, is they allowed 1:03:25.320 --> 1:03:28.400 Stroud to play with Nico Collins and Tank Dell. They 1:03:28.520 --> 1:03:31.360 realized that Nico Collins and Tank Dell are dudes, and 1:03:31.480 --> 1:03:34.840 then they made this to find trade to be the icing. 1:03:34.960 --> 1:03:38.400 I'm with you on that, and look the other model. 1:03:38.640 --> 1:03:42.640 The other model is the Buffalo Bills, who I believe 1:03:42.760 --> 1:03:46.360 it was between going into Josh Allen's third season if 1:03:46.360 --> 1:03:50.760 they traded for Diggs because they recognized that he needed 1:03:50.800 --> 1:03:53.479 some development and he wasn't ready yet for that type 1:03:53.480 --> 1:03:56.840 of move. Whether he needs development or not, he should 1:03:56.840 --> 1:03:58.360 be trying to get him one of tho wide receivers. 1:03:58.520 --> 1:04:00.560 I think it matters. I think once you got into 1:04:00.680 --> 1:04:04.120 year two with Josh Allen, he showed some significant improvement 1:04:04.320 --> 1:04:06.720 wait and he started to play well, and then they 1:04:06.840 --> 1:04:09.560 recognized to your point of is he the guy or not? 1:04:10.120 --> 1:04:12.160 I don't think the Bills truly knew that Josh Allen 1:04:12.240 --> 1:04:13.440 was the guy or not until the end of his 1:04:13.520 --> 1:04:18.240 second season, right, So that's my point of why I 1:04:18.480 --> 1:04:20.800 like Josh Allen's rookie year. If they had made a 1:04:20.840 --> 1:04:22.920 snap like your point of can this guy hand can 1:04:23.000 --> 1:04:25.560 this guy be your quarterback? If they had made a 1:04:25.960 --> 1:04:29.000 judgment in a vacuum based off of Josh Allen's rookie season, 1:04:29.040 --> 1:04:29.840 the answer would have been now. 1:04:29.880 --> 1:04:31.800 So I'm not saying you have to decide is he 1:04:31.960 --> 1:04:34.520 the guy? Yes or no after the first year. I'm saying, 1:04:35.000 --> 1:04:37.640 are you confident enough after the first year? Like you 1:04:37.760 --> 1:04:41.520 want to be confident enough after the first year. So 1:04:41.640 --> 1:04:43.560 they made the Digs trade going in a year three, right, 1:04:44.160 --> 1:04:46.240 because I think they were behind at one point Josh 1:04:46.280 --> 1:04:48.360 Allen was behind schedule. The Bills are behind schedule. I 1:04:48.360 --> 1:04:50.600 think you'd agree with me on that they didn't know 1:04:50.680 --> 1:04:53.120 after the first year. I don't think they were behind schedule. 1:04:53.200 --> 1:04:55.120 I think that they knew that they drafted like this 1:04:55.360 --> 1:04:58.840 raw developmental quarterback. Sure, okay, but here's my point. Can 1:04:58.920 --> 1:05:03.400 you see enough from Drake May where you're confident to 1:05:03.520 --> 1:05:06.840 make that trade going into year two instead of going 1:05:06.880 --> 1:05:07.480 into year three. 1:05:08.240 --> 1:05:11.480 That's basically my point. That's what happened with Stroud, Right, Well, 1:05:11.840 --> 1:05:15.680 so they well, but again because Josh Allen didn't check 1:05:15.800 --> 1:05:18.560 that first box until after year two, where you're kind 1:05:18.600 --> 1:05:20.160 of hoping to check it after year one, where it's 1:05:20.240 --> 1:05:23.240 just the reason why Josh Allen didn't check it though, 1:05:23.600 --> 1:05:25.400 and this is what I'm trying to get at, is 1:05:25.520 --> 1:05:28.320 because they knew going in that he had longer way 1:05:28.360 --> 1:05:30.760 to go than c J. Stroud did, so, right, so 1:05:30.840 --> 1:05:33.760 they that's the guy that Patriots drafted, So they drafted 1:05:33.760 --> 1:05:35.560 a guy that is Josh Allen, they didn't draft CJ. 1:05:35.720 --> 1:05:37.840 So you think there's a chance that we're not confident 1:05:37.920 --> 1:05:40.840 after this year that Drake May is the future. I 1:05:40.920 --> 1:05:43.480 think that there's a chance after this year that it's incomplete, 1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:46.760 that we just don't know yet. Okay, So yeah, that's 1:05:46.800 --> 1:05:49.200 what I'm saying. Yeah, but I don't But it's not 1:05:49.360 --> 1:05:51.520 like you're saying it to me, like you're saying it 1:05:51.600 --> 1:05:54.320 with a negative connotation. I don't necessarily think that that 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:56.840 means it's a negative thing. I just think that when 1:05:56.880 --> 1:06:00.240 you look at developmental tracks like it's gonna take Drake 1:06:00.280 --> 1:06:03.840 May potentially longer to hit his ceiling then I took C. J. 1:06:03.960 --> 1:06:06.840 Stroud And but he doesn't need to hit his ceiling 1:06:07.120 --> 1:06:09.320 in order for you know what about I mean, like 1:06:09.440 --> 1:06:12.240 he hit his potential that you can feel good about. 1:06:12.320 --> 1:06:14.440 Does he show you enough? Here's what I'm saying, can 1:06:14.520 --> 1:06:17.280 he show you enough this year where you say, yeah, 1:06:17.280 --> 1:06:19.680 we're okay trading a second round pick for DK Metcalf 1:06:19.800 --> 1:06:21.800 because Drake May is going to be here being the 1:06:21.840 --> 1:06:26.720 guy throwing to him right, which means that he would 1:06:26.760 --> 1:06:30.040 have to have a season not not maybe not not 1:06:30.240 --> 1:06:32.720 necessarily as good because Stroud just no, one doesn't have 1:06:32.760 --> 1:06:33.680 to match straight, but. 1:06:33.760 --> 1:06:39.760 But's got to be in the ballpark. I felt after 1:06:39.840 --> 1:06:42.520 Mac Jones rookie year that yeah, this is a guy 1:06:42.560 --> 1:06:44.840 I'd go get help. I'm okay kind of blowing some 1:06:44.920 --> 1:06:45.600 future assets. 1:06:45.640 --> 1:06:48.480 Matt Jones solid rookie year. Though I think Drake May 1:06:48.520 --> 1:06:51.280 could do that. I don't disagree. I don't if he's 1:06:51.280 --> 1:06:53.240 given the opportunity. I don't think they're gonna give him 1:06:53.240 --> 1:06:54.320 the opportunity necessarily. 1:06:54.360 --> 1:06:56.760 But well, and then it goes back to can he 1:06:56.800 --> 1:06:59.240 show them enough? Behind the scenes where they're watching him 1:06:59.240 --> 1:07:01.320 in practice, saying, and if we go get him a 1:07:01.400 --> 1:07:03.439 DK man, and I keep using DK Metcalf just because 1:07:03.440 --> 1:07:05.920 the contracts. Yeah, man, if we go get him a 1:07:06.080 --> 1:07:10.800 DK Metcalf, T Higgins right whoever, Like he's really gonna 1:07:10.840 --> 1:07:12.440 be able to do something. 1:07:12.680 --> 1:07:14.680 Yeah, I hear you. And I also think there's a 1:07:14.720 --> 1:07:18.640 conversation that we can unpack it another day when we 1:07:18.760 --> 1:07:21.400 decide whether or not they're ready for this trade of 1:07:22.160 --> 1:07:25.160 the best stylistic fit for this type of offense and 1:07:25.320 --> 1:07:26.920 Drake May and all that kind of stuff. I hear 1:07:27.000 --> 1:07:29.600 what you're saying with DK. The downfield ability is definitely there. 1:07:29.920 --> 1:07:32.160 I do wonder if, like a more versatile player just 1:07:32.240 --> 1:07:34.520 for the system that they're gonna be running well. But 1:07:34.680 --> 1:07:37.439 isn't the hope that Jalen Polk is that guy? Yeah, 1:07:37.560 --> 1:07:37.840 I could. 1:07:37.880 --> 1:07:40.440 I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about with Metcalf. 1:07:40.520 --> 1:07:42.320 It's not just fitting the system, it's fitting the players 1:07:42.320 --> 1:07:45.040 they have in place. Because Polk is your Z Pop 1:07:45.160 --> 1:07:47.720 is your slot. So can you go get that true 1:07:47.920 --> 1:07:48.680 outside guy. 1:07:48.720 --> 1:07:51.120 I just wonder if this system, if there's if there 1:07:51.160 --> 1:07:53.680 really is a true outside guy, like if that's really 1:07:53.800 --> 1:07:55.920 how it's built like I look at Silly you want 1:07:55.960 --> 1:07:58.000 like another z well, I just it's not even just 1:07:58.120 --> 1:08:00.680 about like the position names. I'd just think that like 1:08:01.480 --> 1:08:04.960 you look at the receivers in San Francisco, the receivers 1:08:04.960 --> 1:08:08.000 in Los Angeles with the rams, like those guys are 1:08:08.200 --> 1:08:12.720 you know a U Cooper cup Like they're these versatile 1:08:12.720 --> 1:08:15.600 guys that can play different spots, that can be inside, 1:08:15.640 --> 1:08:17.559 that can be outside, that can block in the run game. 1:08:17.600 --> 1:08:19.439 I know nobody cares about that here, but that's just 1:08:19.520 --> 1:08:20.200 the bottom line. 1:08:20.479 --> 1:08:20.640 You know. 1:08:20.720 --> 1:08:23.840 They're bigger, thicker receivers as well. I look at DK. 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:26.280 I love DK, so I would put him out of 1:08:26.320 --> 1:08:28.120 it in a different category. I think he's a leade 1:08:28.120 --> 1:08:30.759 elite and that means that he's one of those guys 1:08:30.800 --> 1:08:32.960 that you just make it work, you know, that type 1:08:32.960 --> 1:08:35.400 of player. I look at t Higgins though, and I 1:08:35.479 --> 1:08:38.880 have a little minor little bit ahead. He's more that true, 1:08:39.360 --> 1:08:43.559 he's less versatile, yeah, but he's a fade jump ball, 1:08:44.000 --> 1:08:46.680 big body receiver like that's who That's what. 1:08:46.760 --> 1:08:48.800 He is, by the way, instead of just continuing to guess, 1:08:48.840 --> 1:08:52.000 because we have the power of the Internet, Terry McLaurin, 1:08:52.000 --> 1:08:54.200 because McLaurin would be that kind of guy, that kind 1:08:54.240 --> 1:08:57.880 of multiples, right. Yeah, So he's signed through twenty twenty 1:08:58.040 --> 1:09:01.280 five with a void year and twenty six, but he 1:09:01.400 --> 1:09:04.680 has no guaranteed money on his contract next year. So 1:09:05.120 --> 1:09:06.840 he's a guy I would think unless he gets a 1:09:06.880 --> 1:09:08.720 new like, he's gonna need a new contract one way 1:09:08.800 --> 1:09:10.680 or the other. Whether Washington gives it to or not 1:09:10.840 --> 1:09:12.920 is the question. But he's probably gonna be looking for 1:09:12.960 --> 1:09:16.120 a new contract next offseason. So that in theory, I mean, 1:09:16.800 --> 1:09:18.439 I think Terry is a great player. 1:09:18.520 --> 1:09:20.280 You love, you love Terry McClay. You're a big I'm 1:09:20.320 --> 1:09:22.120 a big Terry McLaurin guy. He should have been for 1:09:22.160 --> 1:09:24.240 all we want to second guess about, But why are 1:09:24.280 --> 1:09:26.760 the Commanders giving Like Jayden Daniels is in the same 1:09:26.800 --> 1:09:28.799 spot that Drake may is in. Why would the Commanders 1:09:28.800 --> 1:09:31.280 be giving up receiver talent with a young quarterback. 1:09:31.040 --> 1:09:34.519 Because I'm like kind of with you, But also I 1:09:34.600 --> 1:09:37.280 wonder mclaurin's gonna be thirty. Do they see it as 1:09:38.280 --> 1:09:40.200 we're gonna draft the guys so these two can develop 1:09:40.240 --> 1:09:43.240 together and maybe the Patriots they've drafted the guys. 1:09:43.560 --> 1:09:46.559 It's what John dottson there it's Terry McLaurin. I think 1:09:46.600 --> 1:09:49.360 there's a third guy. No, it was Curtis Samuel, who 1:09:49.400 --> 1:09:51.720 I think is gone now right, I'm pulling it up. 1:09:51.840 --> 1:09:54.160 But they may look at it and say, we want 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:56.200 to draft the guy for Jane Daniels to develop with, 1:09:56.320 --> 1:09:59.639 where the Patriots look at it and say, we got 1:10:00.520 --> 1:10:02.479 two guys for him to develop with, but we need 1:10:02.760 --> 1:10:05.479 a veteran in that room as well. I'm just thinking 1:10:05.479 --> 1:10:09.160 it's they got Demmy Brown, Drake May's former team. 1:10:09.200 --> 1:10:11.840 I think Drake Mace Warmer maybe for like a year. Yeah, No, 1:10:11.960 --> 1:10:13.200 he wasn't. He was out in twenty twenty. 1:10:13.960 --> 1:10:16.240 Oh they have to mere Bird, Okay, one of the 1:10:16.240 --> 1:10:19.799 mooset underrated players in the league, Jamison Crowd or Jahan dottson. 1:10:19.840 --> 1:10:21.959 They drafted Luke McCaffrey, Terry McLaurin. 1:10:24.160 --> 1:10:26.320 Yeah, that's a scary room if you kind of that's 1:10:26.360 --> 1:10:28.560 a scary room if you take Terry McLaurin out, Like 1:10:28.680 --> 1:10:31.280 John Dotson is still an unknown to me, like I 1:10:31.360 --> 1:10:33.720 think he's probably gonna be well, but Evan, this is 1:10:33.800 --> 1:10:34.200 next year. 1:10:34.280 --> 1:10:38.320 So it's if you know you're getting a top forty pick, yeah, 1:10:38.520 --> 1:10:40.440 and then it's we're gonna draft. 1:10:40.160 --> 1:10:42.920 A guy, and I don't know if I'm them. Jayden 1:10:43.000 --> 1:10:45.439 Daniels is ready like he's twenty. Maybe maybe I'm talking 1:10:45.479 --> 1:10:48.040 myself into it, but he's a good player. I wouldn't 1:10:48.040 --> 1:10:49.960 worry about it, all right. I know where you're gonna 1:10:49.960 --> 1:10:54.479 be a Memorial Day weekend, Alex. I think at the beach. Yeah. 1:10:54.560 --> 1:10:56.960 Memorial Day Weekend means that summer is upon us and 1:10:57.040 --> 1:10:59.360 you can dress your home to the nines with Summer 1:10:59.520 --> 1:11:03.960 of nine from Bob's Discount Furniture shot. Tons of styles 1:11:04.040 --> 1:11:07.839 for every room like Bob's best selling mattresses, super relaxing 1:11:07.920 --> 1:11:12.320 reclining sofas, barbecue ready dining sets, and warm weather outdoor styles, 1:11:12.360 --> 1:11:15.559 all for nine ninety nine dollars or less. So stop 1:11:15.640 --> 1:11:18.080 in and stock up for summer at Bob's Discount Furniture, 1:11:18.280 --> 1:11:21.160 the official furniture store of the New England Patriots and 1:11:21.320 --> 1:11:25.080 uh my god, look outdoor furniture. Yeah you do, I 1:11:25.120 --> 1:11:29.080 don't know, do you? Yeah? For where get parents? Okay, 1:11:29.160 --> 1:11:32.880 that's nice, that's nice. Yeah, Well have you ever given 1:11:32.920 --> 1:11:35.920 them like we gave uh my parents, like the towels, 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:38.360 like the nice like towels, and they got like their 1:11:38.400 --> 1:11:43.439 initials stitched into them and stuff like that. Now, is 1:11:43.479 --> 1:11:45.320 it like the stupid things like what do your parents 1:11:45.400 --> 1:11:48.600 need for like their their birthdays or anivisories like they 1:11:48.800 --> 1:11:52.120 they're they got, they got plenty, So it's like what 1:11:52.479 --> 1:11:54.320 do you give them? You give them stupid stuff for 1:11:54.400 --> 1:12:01.160 their second homes were spoiled. Anyways, let's let's take some 1:12:01.240 --> 1:12:02.760 more of these calls and emails and then we'll get 1:12:02.760 --> 1:12:04.160 to the last couple of things on my list. So 1:12:04.160 --> 1:12:05.439 if you want to call it, it's eight five to 1:12:05.479 --> 1:12:08.000 five PATS five hundred is the phone number, and our 1:12:08.040 --> 1:12:11.000 web radio Patriots dot Com is the email address, and 1:12:11.320 --> 1:12:14.599 Eldred's called in. I'm sure to talk about our receiver conversation. 1:12:14.680 --> 1:12:15.000 What's up? 1:12:15.040 --> 1:12:15.400 Aldred? 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:20.120 Heyell, let's holl y'all doing, hey good, look good like 1:12:20.200 --> 1:12:24.240 you insight heaven a lot of things, But uh, I 1:12:24.280 --> 1:12:29.320 don't know. The comparison between what Strout did Strout did 1:12:29.439 --> 1:12:33.599 last year and May is like Apple's oranges, because Strout 1:12:33.720 --> 1:12:37.360 was a better passer and you know, championship wise whatever. 1:12:38.080 --> 1:12:41.240 But I do agree with you though, they need to 1:12:41.280 --> 1:12:43.960 give him more rep, you know, a lot more rep 1:12:44.240 --> 1:12:48.680 than baby Zappy, you know, if him and the other 1:12:48.800 --> 1:12:52.040 quarterback is split. It's been fine to be fine, but 1:12:52.160 --> 1:12:55.000 DK metcalf. I want him in twenty nineteen, but we 1:12:55.080 --> 1:12:59.679 got Harry, you know. So but next year I'll shoot 1:12:59.680 --> 1:13:03.599 for him. I'm like Alex Over, I'll shoot for him, 1:13:04.160 --> 1:13:08.040 you know, next year, not the third year, the second year. 1:13:08.439 --> 1:13:14.320 If Drake May's the man, So mother question is why 1:13:14.400 --> 1:13:17.080 your body is. I ain't nobody trying to put Milton 1:13:17.240 --> 1:13:19.920 into the picture or anything, because he got the same 1:13:20.000 --> 1:13:23.599 thing to work on to like Drake May, the short, short, 1:13:23.680 --> 1:13:28.160 accurate medium, you know, just the throws all that, you know, 1:13:28.960 --> 1:13:31.479 but they put one down but praise the other one, 1:13:31.920 --> 1:13:34.080 you know, like he can make all the throws, but 1:13:34.640 --> 1:13:36.400 both of them can, but they just ain't doing it 1:13:36.720 --> 1:13:39.400 equal enough or dedicated enough, you know what I mean? 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:43.640 Right on point wise, Yeah, yeah, I look, I think 1:13:43.680 --> 1:13:45.400 it's a fair point, aldre Than thanks for the call 1:13:45.479 --> 1:13:49.519 as always of what's the difference I guess between Drake 1:13:49.600 --> 1:13:51.240 May and Joe Milton. Why did one go in the 1:13:51.280 --> 1:13:52.760 first round one go in the sixth round? 1:13:52.800 --> 1:13:52.960 Why? 1:13:53.680 --> 1:13:56.280 You know Deldrid's point. I actually think that a lot 1:13:56.320 --> 1:13:58.320 of people aren't writing off Joe Milton. I wish more 1:13:58.320 --> 1:14:00.400 people were writing off Joe Milton, But I think the 1:14:00.439 --> 1:14:02.120 biggest thing that you look at with those two guys 1:14:02.200 --> 1:14:04.400 is how they read the field. I think that Joe 1:14:04.439 --> 1:14:06.960 Milton in college, and we talked about this a little 1:14:07.000 --> 1:14:10.639 bit alex Is in the past, he's one of those guys. 1:14:10.680 --> 1:14:12.560 And I don't mean to be mean, but like, you know, 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:16.160 when you're playing Madden and the controller comes unplugged and 1:14:16.320 --> 1:14:18.479 like he's just kind of frozen there in the pocket 1:14:18.680 --> 1:14:20.840 and you're just like waiting and you're just like, oh, 1:14:21.000 --> 1:14:22.960 you know, trying to plug it back in and hit 1:14:23.040 --> 1:14:25.280 the button. Like that's what happens to Joe Milton a lot. 1:14:25.560 --> 1:14:27.439 He kind of becomes like a statue of he just 1:14:27.520 --> 1:14:30.320 kind of freezes up in the pocket. And I don't 1:14:30.400 --> 1:14:33.320 think his timing or his rhythm in the passing game 1:14:33.720 --> 1:14:35.800 is anywhere near as good as Drake May's was at 1:14:35.840 --> 1:14:39.639 North Carolina. And so really, when you talk about Joe Milton, 1:14:40.240 --> 1:14:43.000 you're really just talking about the raw arm talent with him, 1:14:43.479 --> 1:14:46.519 whereas I think Drake May has a lot of raw 1:14:46.800 --> 1:14:49.760 tools and intangible, you know, physical tools. But I also 1:14:49.840 --> 1:14:53.200 think that he's a little bit more of a natural quarterback. 1:14:53.439 --> 1:14:56.439 If that makes sense, like a more natural playmaker at 1:14:56.479 --> 1:14:59.200 the position, Whereas right now, I think Joe Milton's truly 1:14:59.320 --> 1:15:02.120 just a ball of clay. He's a big dude that's athletic, 1:15:02.240 --> 1:15:03.840 that throws the ball a mile like. I think that 1:15:03.920 --> 1:15:05.760 that's what he is, Whereas I think Drake May has 1:15:06.080 --> 1:15:09.439 true quarterback instincts and ability to read the field and 1:15:09.600 --> 1:15:10.680 timing and all that kind of. 1:15:10.760 --> 1:15:12.479 Yeah, I think Joe Milton has those things, he just 1:15:12.479 --> 1:15:15.840 doesn't display them as as, uh, what's what I'm looking 1:15:15.880 --> 1:15:17.440 for consistently. 1:15:17.680 --> 1:15:18.160 Yeah, I don't know. 1:15:18.240 --> 1:15:19.720 I just forgot that he's that word all the time. 1:15:20.960 --> 1:15:22.840 I think that's the difference. The other difference is where 1:15:23.320 --> 1:15:26.560 you look. You try to look at which way the 1:15:26.600 --> 1:15:30.160 players are trending. And Joe Milton was in college for 1:15:30.280 --> 1:15:32.200 six years and is kind of still the same player 1:15:32.280 --> 1:15:35.559 he was when he was a freshman at Michigan. 1:15:35.640 --> 1:15:36.240 And he's older now. 1:15:36.280 --> 1:15:38.559 He's gonna be twenty five, right, so there's less runway there, 1:15:38.960 --> 1:15:41.360 whereas Drake May's twenty one, he's got more room to grow. 1:15:41.439 --> 1:15:44.400 So I think that's really the difference is one guy 1:15:44.520 --> 1:15:46.840 has a lot more time to improve the other one doesn't. 1:15:47.280 --> 1:15:48.519 And that's really what it comes down to. 1:15:48.800 --> 1:15:51.560 Yeah. Uh, you know some people I talked to. I 1:15:51.880 --> 1:15:54.479 wrote both of these guys' profiles, So yeah, a lot 1:15:54.520 --> 1:15:56.400 of the guys that I talked to for Drake May 1:15:56.520 --> 1:15:58.800 said what you just said, which is that if you 1:15:58.840 --> 1:16:00.439 are on top of the fact that he lost his 1:16:00.520 --> 1:16:03.240 senior year of high school because of COVID, he really 1:16:03.280 --> 1:16:05.439 hasn't played a whole lot of football. He's only twenty 1:16:05.479 --> 1:16:07.680 one years old, twenty two years old, and he's only 1:16:07.840 --> 1:16:12.639 started I think it's four seasons between high school and college. 1:16:12.680 --> 1:16:15.439 He started two years in high school, then sophomore in 1:16:15.520 --> 1:16:18.880 junior year, COVID wipes out his senior year, and then 1:16:18.920 --> 1:16:20.920 he goes on to the North Carolina where he sits 1:16:20.960 --> 1:16:23.920 behind Sam Howell for a season, and then starts at 1:16:24.000 --> 1:16:26.479 North Carolina as a sophomore in a junior So he's 1:16:26.520 --> 1:16:29.400 only started four actual seasons of football. He hasn't played 1:16:29.439 --> 1:16:32.320 a ton and is already at this level. So that 1:16:32.439 --> 1:16:34.880 tells you that he's got a very very high ceiling, 1:16:35.080 --> 1:16:38.040 right as we Joe Milton, I think the one pushback 1:16:38.120 --> 1:16:40.680 that people had about it was is that there was 1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:45.960 a lot of just added circumstance that led to him 1:16:47.920 --> 1:16:52.800 having trouble sticking right in a program Michigan. In twenty twenty, 1:16:52.920 --> 1:16:55.360 the COVID shortened season. They played six games. He started 1:16:55.439 --> 1:16:59.439 five of them, and he didn't He wasn't great, and 1:16:59.520 --> 1:17:02.160 they decided to go in a different direction. But when 1:17:02.160 --> 1:17:03.880 you look at his skill set and the way he 1:17:04.000 --> 1:17:06.439 plays and what he's good at, like, is Joe Milton 1:17:06.520 --> 1:17:09.720 really a Jim Harbaugh quarterback? Like is he really one 1:17:09.760 --> 1:17:12.600 of those guys that, like, you know, Jim Harbaugh is 1:17:12.640 --> 1:17:14.040 like JJ McCarthy, right. 1:17:14.120 --> 1:17:17.040 Right, No, No, Jim Harbaugh's offense doesn't require throwing the 1:17:17.120 --> 1:17:18.600 ball more than ten yards out of the field, right, 1:17:18.600 --> 1:17:19.840 That's all Joe Milton wants to do. 1:17:20.280 --> 1:17:22.720 Yeah, it just it didn't seem like a great stylistic 1:17:22.840 --> 1:17:25.560 fit to begin with with Joe Milton. Who wants to 1:17:25.680 --> 1:17:27.519 you know, with Joe Milton, you play like an offense 1:17:27.560 --> 1:17:30.960 like Tennessee. It's Tennessee, it's tempo, it's down the field 1:17:31.080 --> 1:17:33.519 throws like that's what you want to do with Joe Milton. 1:17:34.160 --> 1:17:37.880 Michigan's under center, smash mouth football, old school offense was 1:17:37.960 --> 1:17:40.639 not a great stylistic fit. So I never really understood 1:17:40.640 --> 1:17:43.320 that to begin with. And so then he goes to Michigan. 1:17:44.640 --> 1:17:46.880 It sits behind some guys for what like a year 1:17:46.960 --> 1:17:49.160 or two there, or goes to Tennessee. No, I go 1:17:49.280 --> 1:17:52.760 to Michigan'm going Oh okay, start there, wins the job 1:17:52.960 --> 1:17:56.160 in twenty twenty, starts for five games in twenty twenty, 1:17:56.600 --> 1:17:59.720 and then transfers, right because it just it wasn't working out. Yeah, 1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:03.880 and so he transfers to Tennessee, wins the starting job 1:18:03.960 --> 1:18:07.760 at Tennessee, gets hurt Hennon Hooker takes the job from 1:18:07.840 --> 1:18:10.200 him and doesn't look back that, you know, doesn't let 1:18:10.320 --> 1:18:12.599 go of the Rams until Tennon Hooker goes to the NFL. 1:18:13.160 --> 1:18:16.760 So that lost another two years of development for Joe Miller. Right, 1:18:16.920 --> 1:18:19.840 So his final year six years later, you know, he's 1:18:19.880 --> 1:18:22.479 throwing passes to guys that have been in the NFL 1:18:22.520 --> 1:18:25.000 for like four years already in twenty twenty or whatever. 1:18:25.120 --> 1:18:27.439 And now he's you know, just getting strong balls at 1:18:27.520 --> 1:18:31.080 Juwan Jennings, right, yeah, getting a shot in twenty twenty 1:18:31.160 --> 1:18:34.960 four or twenty twenty three, excuse me, at Tennessee like that. 1:18:35.200 --> 1:18:38.280 So it wasn't necessarily Yes, you could make the argument 1:18:38.360 --> 1:18:40.519 that he wasn't good enough to like really take the 1:18:40.600 --> 1:18:42.519 reins of the position and take the bowl by the 1:18:42.600 --> 1:18:46.360 horns and keep it and maintain it. But I think 1:18:46.439 --> 1:18:49.640 that he was an odd stylistic fit at Michigan. He 1:18:49.720 --> 1:18:52.559 gets hurt, tweaks his ankle, and then Hennon Hooker comes 1:18:52.600 --> 1:18:54.800 in and has like the best season ever for a 1:18:54.840 --> 1:18:56.840 Tennessee quarterback. It's like, what are you supposed to do? 1:18:57.640 --> 1:18:59.720 So I think that there's a lot of those types 1:18:59.720 --> 1:19:02.280 of textual things that people push back on with Milton 1:19:02.280 --> 1:19:04.439 and said, just keep in mind that even though he 1:19:04.520 --> 1:19:06.360 was in college for six years and it seems like 1:19:06.439 --> 1:19:09.320 he's tapped out, he hasn't played a time, right, so 1:19:09.479 --> 1:19:12.200 you know, maybe there is some potential there with Joe Milton. 1:19:12.280 --> 1:19:14.120 So I just I just talked up Joe Millton for you. 1:19:14.200 --> 1:19:14.560 There you go. 1:19:15.120 --> 1:19:18.320 I don't think anybody like there's very few people are 1:19:18.320 --> 1:19:21.760 being realistic about Joe Milton, and it's it's hard to 1:19:22.160 --> 1:19:23.040 in both directions. 1:19:23.320 --> 1:19:26.160 Yeah, in both directions. There's people saying he doesn't belong 1:19:26.160 --> 1:19:26.559 in the league. 1:19:26.560 --> 1:19:26.880 He does. 1:19:27.520 --> 1:19:30.559 He belongs in the NFL, absolutely belongs in the NFL. 1:19:30.680 --> 1:19:33.000 That arm belongs in the NFL. Yeah, but there's if 1:19:33.040 --> 1:19:33.920 the rest of it comes along. 1:19:34.000 --> 1:19:35.800 But there's also people who see, you know, a couple 1:19:35.840 --> 1:19:37.920 of clips from OTA's in wonder if he's pushing Drake 1:19:37.960 --> 1:19:40.280 May And I don't think that's the case either. College football. 1:19:40.320 --> 1:19:41.800 So this is where the college football thing comes in. 1:19:42.160 --> 1:19:44.439 There's a whole thing among college football fans the last 1:19:44.439 --> 1:19:47.080 couple years about the Joe Milton experience. Yeah, and most 1:19:47.120 --> 1:19:48.960 college football fans kind of figured out by the end 1:19:49.000 --> 1:19:53.439 with the dealers with Joe Milton. Watching Patriots fans experience 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:55.760 the Joe Milton experience in real time is going to 1:19:55.760 --> 1:19:56.400 be very interesting. 1:19:56.439 --> 1:20:00.400 It's crazy. We see it practice like against air. Yeah, 1:20:00.439 --> 1:20:02.479 we've seen it. Throw to throw like he made an 1:20:02.560 --> 1:20:06.599 absolutely beautiful they're just throwing against air, routes against air. 1:20:07.000 --> 1:20:08.840 And beginning of practice on Monday, and he threw a 1:20:08.880 --> 1:20:11.639 beautiful deep ball, not the one that he threw the coach, 1:20:11.680 --> 1:20:14.280 I'm like to an actual receiver. Then you know, they 1:20:14.760 --> 1:20:16.960 changed sides, so he goes from throwing down the right 1:20:17.040 --> 1:20:19.080 sideline to throw down the left sideline to throw down 1:20:19.120 --> 1:20:21.080 the left sideline was like ten yards out of bounce, 1:20:21.160 --> 1:20:23.519 like you just like threw like over through the receiver 1:20:23.640 --> 1:20:25.720 by a mile and I'm like, well that's Joe, Like 1:20:25.880 --> 1:20:28.000 one is an absolute die. I'm like, couldn't throw it 1:20:28.000 --> 1:20:30.720 any more perfect? And then the next throw is just 1:20:30.960 --> 1:20:32.880 nowhere close, you know, And that's sort of what you 1:20:32.960 --> 1:20:36.679 mean by the Joe Milton's experience. David from San Jose 1:20:37.320 --> 1:20:42.560 asks would you extend Matthew Judon or Remandre Stevenson first? Like, 1:20:42.600 --> 1:20:45.519 which guy would you prioritize? Judon? Because he's not I 1:20:45.560 --> 1:20:47.840 don't think he's gonna play on his current deal. I'm 1:20:47.880 --> 1:20:51.040 with you, I would extend Judon as well. I also, 1:20:51.200 --> 1:20:52.519 you know me, you know where I'm going with this 1:20:53.200 --> 1:20:56.680 running back second contract. Running backs is not for me. 1:20:56.960 --> 1:21:01.160 I you know, I'm not against bringing Remondery if it's reasonable, 1:21:01.200 --> 1:21:02.560 and I'm never against it, I'm not. 1:21:03.160 --> 1:21:05.679 I want to see Antonio Gibson. I think Antonio Gibson 1:21:05.680 --> 1:21:08.840 could be like sneaky, sneaky, really good. And if Gibson's 1:21:08.840 --> 1:21:12.200 a player, you know you don't. So I wouldn't extend 1:21:12.240 --> 1:21:13.320 Stevenson before the season. 1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:14.000 I just wouldn't. 1:21:14.160 --> 1:21:15.760 It doesn't mean I'm again springing him back, but I 1:21:15.800 --> 1:21:17.519 don't think he's a guy that needs an extension right now. 1:21:17.840 --> 1:21:20.400 Jude On like needs an extension right now. Yeah, So 1:21:20.520 --> 1:21:23.120 I read a stat the other day that I didn't realize, 1:21:23.120 --> 1:21:24.360 and it is a little bit of a of a 1:21:24.439 --> 1:21:29.240 nerd stat for you. Antonio Gibson last year, Yeah, led 1:21:29.280 --> 1:21:33.479 the league all running backs in mistackles force per rush. 1:21:35.520 --> 1:21:39.040 So his elusiveness, right, I'll take that stat. That's a 1:21:39.120 --> 1:21:42.920 tangible stat. Elusiveness. Was there like a minimum carries on that? 1:21:43.120 --> 1:21:43.400 I think? 1:21:43.479 --> 1:21:43.519 So? 1:21:43.720 --> 1:21:44.040 I don't know. 1:21:44.120 --> 1:21:49.680 Somebody just tweeted it out randomly. Elusiveness, speed, versatility. He's 1:21:49.800 --> 1:21:52.160 big too. I'm talking myself into it a little bit, 1:21:52.320 --> 1:21:54.360 being a you know, a sneaky good signing for them. 1:21:54.960 --> 1:21:58.400 I wonder if he only had sixty five carries last year, is. 1:21:58.439 --> 1:22:01.599 There is there a world though where he is closer? Actually, 1:22:01.640 --> 1:22:04.559 if was it was it per carrier, per touch, per carry? 1:22:04.600 --> 1:22:06.679 I think okay, because he only had sixty eight carries, 1:22:06.720 --> 1:22:08.080 but he caught forty eight passes. 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:10.000 Is there a world where he's closer to what was 1:22:10.040 --> 1:22:11.760 it two years ago that he had the big year 1:22:11.800 --> 1:22:14.200 in Washington twenty one? Yeah, twenty one. 1:22:14.240 --> 1:22:18.200 He ran in sixteen games, ran for one thousand and 1:22:18.240 --> 1:22:21.719 thirty seven yards, seven touchdowns, caught forty two passes. 1:22:21.760 --> 1:22:23.640 For another three hundred yards and three scores. I'm not 1:22:23.680 --> 1:22:25.920 sure he's gonna have the opportunity. He's not gonna get 1:22:25.920 --> 1:22:28.080 that kind of But is there a chance that he's 1:22:28.400 --> 1:22:30.639 in terms of efficiency and all that kind of stuff, 1:22:30.720 --> 1:22:33.040 is like more on par with that player than the 1:22:33.080 --> 1:22:35.080 one that got buried last year. Absolutely. 1:22:35.120 --> 1:22:37.720 And look one change I'm hoping from, you know, with 1:22:37.880 --> 1:22:40.080 this new offensive coaching staff, and it's something that they 1:22:40.160 --> 1:22:43.680 did well in Cleveland the last two years. Evan, we 1:22:43.840 --> 1:22:46.600 come in here and it's like, you know, early October 1:22:46.880 --> 1:22:49.200 and I have to get my takeoff about too much 1:22:49.320 --> 1:22:51.080 m Andre Stevenson and you're going to run him into 1:22:51.080 --> 1:22:51.400 the ground. 1:22:51.560 --> 1:22:53.479 One it was making fun of me for caring about 1:22:53.479 --> 1:22:56.639 the running back depth. No, it's not even the depth. 1:22:56.640 --> 1:22:58.559 They had the depth, they just wouldn't give the ball 1:22:58.600 --> 1:22:59.280 to anybody else. 1:22:59.400 --> 1:23:02.200 Yeah, well, remember that game against the Detroit two years 1:23:02.240 --> 1:23:04.800 ago where they're like up thirty with a minute ago 1:23:05.000 --> 1:23:07.599 and Kevin Harris is right there and they're still making 1:23:07.680 --> 1:23:10.920 Rimondre Stevenson run between the tackles like the Belichick thing. Right, 1:23:11.040 --> 1:23:14.439 So I'm hoping that this year. It's not that I 1:23:14.479 --> 1:23:16.920 don't think Rimondre is a good player, but I think realistically, 1:23:16.960 --> 1:23:20.360 if you scale back his workload a little bit, he'll 1:23:20.400 --> 1:23:23.360 be right more productive in the opportunities he has, and 1:23:23.439 --> 1:23:26.040 a guy like Antonio Gibson should give you an opportunity 1:23:26.080 --> 1:23:28.519 to do that without losing too much. So I two 1:23:28.600 --> 1:23:30.439 hundred and sixty five carries is a lot. I don't 1:23:30.479 --> 1:23:32.960 think he's getting that. You know, he's three hundred touches. 1:23:33.160 --> 1:23:35.559 I think he should be at one fifty. I'd say 1:23:35.600 --> 1:23:37.680 somewhere between one fifty and two hundred is a good 1:23:37.760 --> 1:23:40.280 number for him, just especially be based off of how 1:23:40.360 --> 1:23:41.680 much I think they're gonna want to run the ball 1:23:41.840 --> 1:23:46.160 in general. You know, look, Stevenson was Stevenson was I 1:23:46.200 --> 1:23:48.920 think eighth last year in touches because they're leading receiver too. 1:23:48.960 --> 1:23:50.760 I forgot hurt, or maybe when he got hurt, he 1:23:50.880 --> 1:23:54.200 was eighth in touches. I look at those two guys, 1:23:54.240 --> 1:23:55.800 and I don't know. I don't have the numbers right 1:23:55.800 --> 1:23:58.120 in front of me, So I don't know what Kareem 1:23:58.200 --> 1:24:02.720 Hunts volume was in Cleveland. But I think that their 1:24:02.880 --> 1:24:05.880 roles in terms of how they're used stylistically, are going 1:24:05.960 --> 1:24:07.760 to be very similar to Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. 1:24:07.800 --> 1:24:09.760 You know, Kareem Hunt was more of like the sub 1:24:09.920 --> 1:24:13.639 package pass game back, and Nick Chubb was their work coorse. 1:24:13.720 --> 1:24:15.559 You know, he was their first and second down guy. 1:24:16.200 --> 1:24:17.960 I think that, you know, there's a chance that Gibson 1:24:18.000 --> 1:24:20.000 has a little bit more volume. If remembering off the 1:24:20.040 --> 1:24:21.800 top of my head, I don't think Kareem Hunt touched 1:24:21.800 --> 1:24:25.240 the ball a ton in Cleveland, But in terms of 1:24:25.280 --> 1:24:27.680 how they're used schematically, I think it's going to be 1:24:27.760 --> 1:24:31.160 similar and Hareem Hunt had I'll tell you there might 1:24:31.200 --> 1:24:33.439 have been one year where they ran the crap out 1:24:33.479 --> 1:24:35.519 of the ball. I mean he had two hundred and 1:24:35.560 --> 1:24:38.120 thirty touches in twenty twenty. Yeah, had one hundred and 1:24:38.160 --> 1:24:39.360 fifty last two years. 1:24:39.439 --> 1:24:41.439 That's yeah, Yeah, That's where I think in Gibson is 1:24:42.160 --> 1:24:43.439 you want to so I was trying to find something. 1:24:43.479 --> 1:24:45.680 You want to hear something crazy. No qualifiers. 1:24:45.720 --> 1:24:48.040 Do you know who led the NFL in yards after 1:24:48.120 --> 1:24:51.599 contact per rush last year? Derrick Henry No, Christian McCaffrey. 1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:56.240 No qualifiers. It's Patriot Oh, no qualifiers. No qualifiers as 1:24:56.280 --> 1:24:58.479 a running back, well he's not a running back, but 1:24:58.600 --> 1:25:02.519 on rushes, Kendrick Nope, it was Taekwon Thornton. Oh, my god, 1:25:03.080 --> 1:25:06.439 Thornton because of that one run against Uh was it 1:25:06.520 --> 1:25:08.560 the Chargers on he had on the end? Yeah, he 1:25:08.600 --> 1:25:10.680 had three carries for fifty one yards. Last year he 1:25:10.760 --> 1:25:15.080 averaged sixteen yards after contact for care doesn't count, all right, 1:25:15.280 --> 1:25:16.400 I mean I'm looking at it right here. 1:25:16.960 --> 1:25:19.639 Yeah, because remember it was the Chargers, right, yeah, game, 1:25:19.720 --> 1:25:21.000 he had that one and he should have scored, but 1:25:21.080 --> 1:25:25.800 Devonte Parker stopped blocking his guy for some reason. Gary 1:25:25.880 --> 1:25:29.680 emails in Brandon Bolden was top twenty, particularly in the 1:25:29.760 --> 1:25:32.000 first practice of staff needed to figure out who and 1:25:32.120 --> 1:25:35.400 what to prioritize and the rest of OTAs. That determination 1:25:35.520 --> 1:25:37.719 is the first of many important influences on the decision 1:25:37.760 --> 1:25:41.760 of which three qbs to keep. Okay, you read that 1:25:41.840 --> 1:25:45.280 really quick. That part's not the important. Okay, you're clearly 1:25:45.479 --> 1:25:48.479 counting out Bailey Zappi, but the staff is not. Remember 1:25:48.560 --> 1:25:53.000 they saw him real NFL games with last year's lazzy offense. Gary, 1:25:53.200 --> 1:25:55.240 I am here to tell you I'm counting out Bailey Zappi. 1:25:55.840 --> 1:25:58.120 I'm counting him out. It's not because of anything that 1:25:58.200 --> 1:26:00.639 Bailly's Appy has done. Is not because I think he's 1:26:00.640 --> 1:26:02.760 a bad guy or a bad locker room influence. I 1:26:02.800 --> 1:26:04.960 think all that stuff is a little bit overblown. But 1:26:05.240 --> 1:26:07.360 I'm counting Bailey Zappi out because he does not have 1:26:07.479 --> 1:26:09.639 a role on this team. He is not a mentor 1:26:09.720 --> 1:26:13.679 to Drake May. He's not an experienced veteran. That's Jacoby 1:26:13.680 --> 1:26:16.800 Brissett and he's not Drake May. So he has no role. 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:19.479 I'm counting him out. I'm sorry, Like, there's just no 1:26:19.640 --> 1:26:22.920 purpose for him here, Like, what is the the ideal path? 1:26:23.439 --> 1:26:26.000 What is the ceiling for Bailey Zappi here that he 1:26:26.080 --> 1:26:27.800 beats out Jacoby Brissett. 1:26:27.600 --> 1:26:29.960 Yeah, and starts taking games before Drake May. I Look 1:26:30.040 --> 1:26:31.680 to be fair, I won't entirely count him out in 1:26:31.720 --> 1:26:35.040 that regard, just seeing the way they're doings of practice. Uh, 1:26:36.800 --> 1:26:40.200 Bailey Zappi at the longest has one more full season 1:26:40.240 --> 1:26:40.719 in New England. 1:26:40.760 --> 1:26:41.000 That's it. 1:26:41.360 --> 1:26:44.080 I just feel like unless he's not gonna unless he 1:26:44.120 --> 1:26:47.960 turns a new leaf as a as a teammate from 1:26:48.000 --> 1:26:51.320 what we've seen, and he becomes a guy that will 1:26:51.680 --> 1:26:56.360 embrace being the bridge quarterback slash mentor to Drake manash backup, 1:26:56.479 --> 1:27:00.360 slash backup eventually, because that's what he is and I'm 1:27:00.360 --> 1:27:02.639 not even talking about like him being here long term. 1:27:03.000 --> 1:27:06.040 I'm just talking about him being here next season unless 1:27:06.080 --> 1:27:13.080 he four, If he completely changes his that's what he's 1:27:13.120 --> 1:27:15.599 gonna He's gonna be Jacoby wessaid, right, he's gonna keep 1:27:15.600 --> 1:27:18.800 the seat worm, and he's going to be a mentor 1:27:18.880 --> 1:27:21.679 to Drake May. And maybe by keeping the seat worm, 1:27:21.720 --> 1:27:23.479 he plays some good football and then in twenty five 1:27:23.520 --> 1:27:25.479 he goes someplace else and gets a chance to compete. 1:27:25.880 --> 1:27:28.439 If that's what he's gonna do, then okay. I have 1:27:28.560 --> 1:27:31.240 not seen that side of Bailey Zappy yet. The side 1:27:31.280 --> 1:27:33.600 of Bailey Zappi that we have seen has been the 1:27:33.680 --> 1:27:36.120 one that thinks he should start over mac Jones and 1:27:36.240 --> 1:27:39.240 has competed like such, which there's nothing wrong with that 1:27:40.120 --> 1:27:42.000 is nothing wrong with that. I'm not blaming him for 1:27:42.080 --> 1:27:44.880 wanting to compete in wanting to play. I'm just telling 1:27:44.920 --> 1:27:46.760 you that that's not where the Patriots are at. The 1:27:46.800 --> 1:27:50.400 Patriots have married Drake May, they have married. 1:27:50.240 --> 1:27:52.640 Him, So yeah, he would essentially have to do what 1:27:52.800 --> 1:27:55.960 brock Purdy did to Tree Lance, which I just don't. 1:27:55.800 --> 1:27:56.519 Think is happening. 1:27:57.240 --> 1:27:59.840 Brock Purdy was able to do that because of all 1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:04.680 talent he had around. So again, I won't rule out 1:28:06.000 --> 1:28:08.439 Bailey's Appy somehow sticking on the roster this year and 1:28:08.560 --> 1:28:10.320 maybe starting a game or two, just because seeing how 1:28:10.360 --> 1:28:11.400 they're doing things at practice. 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:14.479 But there's no there is no long term for Bailey's 1:28:14.479 --> 1:28:16.840 Appy New England. There just isn't. Yeah, and the fact 1:28:16.880 --> 1:28:18.160 that he seems to be. 1:28:19.840 --> 1:28:20.040 You know. 1:28:22.120 --> 1:28:25.400 That he he seems to do how do I want 1:28:25.439 --> 1:28:25.720 to put this? 1:28:27.320 --> 1:28:30.000 He's got to be okay that Drake Mays was drafted 1:28:30.000 --> 1:28:31.760 to be the face of the franchise. Yeah, and if 1:28:31.800 --> 1:28:34.280 he's not, it's really tough to justify keeping him here. 1:28:34.560 --> 1:28:37.120 Yeah, I agree with that. All right, Lawrence is in 1:28:37.400 --> 1:28:39.599 Indiana if I can get the mouse to work. What's up, Lawrence? 1:28:41.080 --> 1:28:43.679 What's going on? Guys? First time call, a long time listener, 1:28:43.760 --> 1:28:46.080 Love it, Thank you. My question pretty much is is 1:28:46.240 --> 1:28:49.519 just like at least that my thought process is kind 1:28:49.520 --> 1:28:52.679 of understanding. Is that offensive tackle you want to protect 1:28:52.760 --> 1:28:55.439 the blind side of your QB first? Is there any 1:28:55.520 --> 1:28:59.559 reason why we are trying to force one new at 1:28:59.680 --> 1:29:02.720 right rather than putting him at left, considering we have 1:29:02.840 --> 1:29:05.439 such problems with the left tackle right about now. 1:29:05.800 --> 1:29:08.320 Thanks for the call, guys, Yeah, thanks for the call, Lawrence. 1:29:08.520 --> 1:29:10.720 I think the biggest thing that you talk, you know, 1:29:10.920 --> 1:29:13.439 blind side protect there, all that kind of stuff in 1:29:13.600 --> 1:29:16.519 order to be a left tackle. To most people, you 1:29:16.840 --> 1:29:19.280 really want that left tackle to be a high end 1:29:19.360 --> 1:29:23.520 pass protector, right so on when who is a bulldozer, 1:29:23.800 --> 1:29:27.360 great run blocker, probably a high end pass protector at guard, 1:29:27.840 --> 1:29:29.519 but right now, based off the film, he's not a 1:29:29.600 --> 1:29:32.880 high end pass protector at tackle. You also usually get you. 1:29:32.920 --> 1:29:35.880 Know, coming off that the defense's right side. To that 1:29:36.000 --> 1:29:38.920 blind side, you get the more athletic rushers, so you 1:29:39.160 --> 1:29:41.080 want your more athletic tackle over there. 1:29:41.120 --> 1:29:44.280 And yeah, the reality he would have the same issues. 1:29:44.360 --> 1:29:46.360 I think that chukes. The core for Arkadan Wallace is 1:29:46.360 --> 1:29:48.120 he's played on the right side of her career. Like 1:29:48.320 --> 1:29:50.639 you play right guard and then go to right tackle. 1:29:50.720 --> 1:29:54.080 That's one that's it. That's an easier move. Yeah, going 1:29:54.160 --> 1:29:58.160 from right guard to to left tackle is a big, big, 1:29:59.120 --> 1:30:03.000 big change. It's just it's not worth putting all that on. Yeah, 1:30:03.040 --> 1:30:04.720 I think that the you know, that's the biggest thing 1:30:04.920 --> 1:30:07.280 is you know you do. I think that there were 1:30:07.360 --> 1:30:09.479 starting to get into a world in football where it's 1:30:09.479 --> 1:30:12.360 a little bit more even right tackle. Left tackle got 1:30:12.400 --> 1:30:14.479 blocked the same guys right and a lot of the time. 1:30:14.600 --> 1:30:18.559 Now there are guys in in that are specifically guys 1:30:18.600 --> 1:30:21.519 that like rushing over the right tackle. TJ. Watt is 1:30:21.600 --> 1:30:24.400 one of them. He's one of those guys that prefers, 1:30:24.479 --> 1:30:26.679 for whatever reason, probably you know which hand is down, 1:30:26.760 --> 1:30:28.759 which foot is forward, you know, all that kind of stuff. 1:30:29.120 --> 1:30:31.920 He prefers to rush all over the right tackle. So 1:30:32.439 --> 1:30:34.240 certain matchups, the right tackle is going to have the 1:30:34.280 --> 1:30:36.400 harder matchup. It's not like it used to be, you know, 1:30:36.479 --> 1:30:38.240 back in the day with like Lawrence Taylor and stuff 1:30:38.240 --> 1:30:39.720 like that. They always put him on the blind side 1:30:39.720 --> 1:30:42.479 and that was what it was. Right Now, guys are 1:30:42.600 --> 1:30:45.439 more preference based. I think Max Crosby is another one 1:30:45.600 --> 1:30:47.479 that likes to rush over the right tackle more than 1:30:47.520 --> 1:30:49.519 the left side. You know, those two guys are to 1:30:49.600 --> 1:30:52.640 the best pass rushers in the NFL. Von Miller was 1:30:52.720 --> 1:30:56.479 notoriously a right tackle pass rush. Yeah, so we're talking 1:30:56.520 --> 1:30:58.120 about some of the best of the best over the 1:30:58.240 --> 1:31:00.800 last you know, decade in the league that have rushed 1:31:00.800 --> 1:31:03.240 over the right tackle. So it's not universal. So I 1:31:03.400 --> 1:31:06.800 understand what the question, you know is a good question. 1:31:07.160 --> 1:31:09.680 I just think that that's a very big undertaking for 1:31:09.760 --> 1:31:11.760 on Wenny, and I think his skill set fits more 1:31:11.800 --> 1:31:13.760 on the right side than the left side, which is 1:31:13.800 --> 1:31:16.080 what I think that they are getting at all. Right, 1:31:17.200 --> 1:31:21.240 this is a question from Nathaniel. He's asking when it 1:31:21.280 --> 1:31:26.280 comes to position coaches, what kind of technique instruction are 1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:31.560 they doing versus the you know, the the trainers, the 1:31:32.040 --> 1:31:34.400 off the site trainers, you know, like the Quincy Avery's 1:31:34.400 --> 1:31:36.519 of the world, or the Jordan Palmers or like those 1:31:36.560 --> 1:31:39.280 types of guys. It's an interesting question, and I think 1:31:39.320 --> 1:31:42.120 what you know, he's asking more about receivers, but even 1:31:42.160 --> 1:31:45.479 offensive line he mentioned Chukes a Corps four talking about 1:31:45.920 --> 1:31:48.280 Scott Peters being like a technician and things like that. 1:31:48.920 --> 1:31:51.320 I think what's really interesting more about this question than 1:31:51.560 --> 1:31:54.080 what they're actually doing. You know, the coaches, they're good coaches. 1:31:54.080 --> 1:31:57.200 They understand their technique of their positions. They're talking footwork, 1:31:57.240 --> 1:32:00.479 they're talking hand placement for receivers. It's really looking down 1:32:00.760 --> 1:32:05.040 into three different categories release, top of the route, catch point, right, Like, 1:32:05.120 --> 1:32:07.799 those are the three different things that you're really drilling 1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:10.439 a ton. I think the interesting thing about quarterback though, 1:32:11.400 --> 1:32:14.200 and you hear about this a little bit happening. You 1:32:14.320 --> 1:32:17.080 got to make sure that whoever Drake may is working 1:32:17.120 --> 1:32:21.560 with outside the facility when he goes between training a 1:32:21.640 --> 1:32:23.679 mini camp and training camp, like in the month of June, 1:32:23.840 --> 1:32:27.360 you know, and the beginning of July. I'm assuming he's 1:32:27.360 --> 1:32:30.160 gonna go work with Clyde Christensen down at North Carolina. 1:32:30.640 --> 1:32:33.160 Is who's been his guy. I don't know that for 1:32:33.240 --> 1:32:35.640 a fact, but I would assume that's who it would be. 1:32:36.320 --> 1:32:38.400 You definitely have to make sure that you're teaching the 1:32:38.439 --> 1:32:41.559 same things. If he's going to Jordan Palmer and Jordan 1:32:41.600 --> 1:32:43.360 Palmer is telling him to do one thing, but then 1:32:43.400 --> 1:32:45.479 Alex van pel is telling him to do another, then 1:32:45.520 --> 1:32:46.200 you have a problem. 1:32:46.680 --> 1:32:46.880 Yeah. 1:32:47.160 --> 1:32:49.560 That's why a lot of the time with Bill. That 1:32:50.240 --> 1:32:53.000 was the whole Alex Guerrero thing, right, was that Bill 1:32:53.120 --> 1:32:56.920 wanted Brady to follow his regiment. Alex Guerrero did things 1:32:56.920 --> 1:32:59.960 a little bit differently. Now, Guerrero was more physical training 1:33:00.120 --> 1:33:02.479 than he was like quarterback technique and things like that, 1:33:02.680 --> 1:33:05.000 but in general, like that was the whole argument that 1:33:05.080 --> 1:33:08.720 they were having was Brady wasn't lifting weights and he 1:33:08.800 --> 1:33:10.280 wasn't doing all that kind of stuff. He was doing 1:33:10.320 --> 1:33:12.639 his own program. Uh. You got to make sure everybody's 1:33:12.680 --> 1:33:16.599 on the same program. And that's the biggest thing. But yeah, 1:33:16.640 --> 1:33:19.720 the coaches here, the position coaches this time of year, 1:33:19.880 --> 1:33:22.920 not necessarily in season. In season, your your game planning, 1:33:23.040 --> 1:33:27.599 you're scouting opponents. You're talking about you know, TJ. Watt 1:33:27.640 --> 1:33:29.920 and what his go to pass rush move is. You're 1:33:29.960 --> 1:33:31.920 not talking about hands and feet and all that kind 1:33:31.960 --> 1:33:33.360 of stuff, But that's what you do this time of 1:33:33.439 --> 1:33:38.320 your pad level, hands, feet, shoulders, angles, you know, angles 1:33:38.360 --> 1:33:40.680 into blocks, you know what those types of things like 1:33:40.760 --> 1:33:43.000 all that's all what goes into offensive line and I 1:33:43.040 --> 1:33:44.800 think Scott Pierre is gonna do a good job with that. 1:33:45.640 --> 1:33:48.280 A few other things about OTAs here on my list, 1:33:48.320 --> 1:33:52.680 got pull up my list. What'd you think about juju? Uh? 1:33:52.800 --> 1:33:54.840 And what do we think about juju? I think this 1:33:54.880 --> 1:33:56.560 is a topic. You know, people are talking about this 1:33:56.600 --> 1:33:58.519 a little bit. He had some things to say, you know, 1:33:58.600 --> 1:34:01.400 talked about now he's a hunter percent versus being sixty 1:34:01.439 --> 1:34:04.400 percent this time last year. He also said the vibes, 1:34:04.720 --> 1:34:07.000 the vibes in the locker room are are immaculate. 1:34:07.160 --> 1:34:10.280 Yeah, we'll see. Uh, I just are you gonna you? 1:34:10.479 --> 1:34:12.880 You were you claim that you were quite the shooter. 1:34:12.960 --> 1:34:14.760 Are you gonna ask for for a shot on the 1:34:14.800 --> 1:34:17.559 basketball open there? I claim to be quite the shooter? 1:34:18.040 --> 1:34:18.320 I am. 1:34:18.680 --> 1:34:20.639 You said you could hit a three in an NBA 1:34:20.760 --> 1:34:23.559 game if I was wide open? How are you getting open? 1:34:23.960 --> 1:34:25.760 I'm gonna stand in the corner. Do you know how 1:34:25.840 --> 1:34:30.240 fast these guys are gonna stand in the corner. I'm 1:34:30.280 --> 1:34:33.880 gonna be long these guys. I couldn't hit some of 1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:36.639 the threes that Peyton, Pritchard and Sam Houser hit where 1:34:36.680 --> 1:34:39.600 there's nobody within ten there's nobody within ten three of 1:34:39.680 --> 1:34:43.599 them because Jason Tatum's got four guys converging on him 1:34:43.640 --> 1:34:45.760 in the lane. And you don't think I alright, So 1:34:45.960 --> 1:34:47.439 at some point this year, when the whole team's in 1:34:47.479 --> 1:34:48.800 the locker room, I want you to call for the 1:34:48.840 --> 1:34:50.320 ball and get a shot up. All right? 1:34:50.520 --> 1:34:50.800 You got? 1:34:50.880 --> 1:34:53.320 I want to see that you got. Vibes are so good. 1:34:53.760 --> 1:34:57.120 The vibes, Uh, you're the two things I'll say about dude. 1:34:57.160 --> 1:35:00.880 You won. If he's gonna be because of the money, 1:35:01.040 --> 1:35:03.400 which is a possibility, like it's a ten million dollar, 1:35:03.720 --> 1:35:05.840 ten and a half million dollar dead cap hit, just 1:35:05.920 --> 1:35:09.519 walk away from him. I maybe he's could get traded. 1:35:09.720 --> 1:35:13.240 I doubt it. I think you also have to factor 1:35:13.280 --> 1:35:15.080 in the fact that Kendrick Bourne might not be ready 1:35:15.120 --> 1:35:17.160 for the start of the season, so that opens up 1:35:17.160 --> 1:35:20.240 a spot for a short term spot for somebody like Juju. 1:35:21.760 --> 1:35:24.639 All things created equal, If Juju Smith Schuster is healthy 1:35:26.200 --> 1:35:31.040 and they're getting Kansas City Juju Smith Schuster, that's a 1:35:31.080 --> 1:35:34.160 good football player. Like I understand that we're all sour 1:35:34.240 --> 1:35:36.360 on Juju from last year. It was a disaster. It 1:35:36.439 --> 1:35:40.120 was it was horrible, all true. But if he's if 1:35:40.160 --> 1:35:43.679 it was truly health related and his knee is truly better, 1:35:44.720 --> 1:35:47.519 then I don't know, Like it's not a bad thing 1:35:47.600 --> 1:35:48.720 to have another thing, it's not. 1:35:48.960 --> 1:35:50.760 I just how does he make the team? Because you're 1:35:50.800 --> 1:35:52.800 gonna have you know, Pop and Borner locks, and I 1:35:52.840 --> 1:35:55.679 think Bourne will be ready. You have Pop and Borner locks. 1:35:55.720 --> 1:35:59.240 The two rookies are obviously locks. kJ Osbourne, we think 1:35:59.320 --> 1:36:01.080 more likely than is going to make the team because 1:36:01.080 --> 1:36:02.640 of his tracked his. 1:36:02.760 --> 1:36:05.200 Contracts easier to walk away from than Juju's. 1:36:05.200 --> 1:36:07.880 All right, so he's you basically have kJ Osborne, Juju 1:36:07.880 --> 1:36:11.000 Smith Schuster, Taekwon Thornton, Jalen Rager, for the last spot. 1:36:11.439 --> 1:36:15.160 Keep mind, Jalen, I don't think you're keeping six. If 1:36:15.160 --> 1:36:17.400 they keep then all right, then for two spots Jalen 1:36:17.479 --> 1:36:20.640 Rager can return kicks. Yeah, kJ Osbourne was chosen by 1:36:20.680 --> 1:36:22.320 this front office unlike the other three. 1:36:22.520 --> 1:36:22.680 Yep. 1:36:23.120 --> 1:36:24.960 I just think it's an uphill battle. I think the 1:36:25.040 --> 1:36:28.240 best case scenario is Juju looks healthier in camp and 1:36:28.280 --> 1:36:31.080 they trade him. I think that's the best case scenario. 1:36:31.240 --> 1:36:32.719 I agree that it's an uphill battle. 1:36:32.800 --> 1:36:33.160 I do. 1:36:33.479 --> 1:36:35.599 I will say, though you know you're talking about earlier. 1:36:35.640 --> 1:36:38.559 The type of receivers, yeah, fit, he kind of fits. 1:36:39.320 --> 1:36:42.000 He kind of fits. He's a bigger, thicker guy than 1:36:42.080 --> 1:36:44.760 the boss that's physical. This goes back to the reps. 1:36:45.280 --> 1:36:47.560 I want Jalen Polk on the field. I agree, And 1:36:47.640 --> 1:36:52.080 there there's overlap there. I want Jalen, want Jalen Pol playing. 1:36:51.920 --> 1:36:55.400 The type of receivers that have succeeded in this offense. 1:36:55.960 --> 1:36:58.120 He's more of a fit for this offense than he 1:36:58.360 --> 1:37:00.880 was for the Bill O'Brien. I get that, But I 1:37:02.120 --> 1:37:04.679 play the kids and I'll say the same thing about Taekwon. 1:37:05.120 --> 1:37:06.400 But we're not doing Taekwon again. 1:37:06.520 --> 1:37:08.880 I'm not doing He's got no guaranteed money on his contract. 1:37:08.920 --> 1:37:09.840 That's gonna be really tough. 1:37:09.880 --> 1:37:13.479 But for him, somebody, they don't have burners other than him, 1:37:13.560 --> 1:37:15.599 unless you want to count Pop, who's like a different kind. 1:37:15.520 --> 1:37:17.880 Of I actually think Rager would make the team over 1:37:18.160 --> 1:37:20.680 over to like the same speed, but he has their 1:37:20.680 --> 1:37:22.000 returnability and there's your burner. 1:37:22.120 --> 1:37:24.719 Somebody has got to hold the post Taekwan. But Taekwon 1:37:24.760 --> 1:37:27.920 dos got to hold the post. Javon Baker. I think 1:37:28.000 --> 1:37:29.640 Jayvon Baker is gonna hold the post at four or 1:37:29.680 --> 1:37:32.800 five four. But he's that deep. You gotta be honest 1:37:32.840 --> 1:37:36.479 about him deep even without his speed. I who talked 1:37:36.520 --> 1:37:38.559 about this? Wh when he drafted? Are they gonna keep 1:37:38.600 --> 1:37:42.400 Thornton just to run win sprints? Maybe we talked about 1:37:42.439 --> 1:37:45.960 this when he was drafted. He was drafted for this system, 1:37:46.240 --> 1:37:47.960 like you, they thought they were gonna go this way 1:37:48.000 --> 1:37:50.680 with Matt Patricia. If there's a system that Taekwon all 1:37:50.760 --> 1:37:53.720 right now just keeping six seven receivers, like, let me 1:37:53.760 --> 1:37:55.800 put this guy, let me put you this way. Yeah, 1:37:55.920 --> 1:37:59.639 if there was a system that Taekwon Thornton was gonna 1:37:59.680 --> 1:38:02.840 be a successful NFL player in it's this sounds like 1:38:03.960 --> 1:38:06.400 I'm not. I'm just telling you from I'm not telling 1:38:06.439 --> 1:38:08.200 you that he's gonna be able to do it, Okay, 1:38:08.320 --> 1:38:12.200 I'm just telling you from a stylistic perspective. Because all 1:38:12.280 --> 1:38:15.719 this offense is on first and second down is play 1:38:15.800 --> 1:38:19.320 action bootleg and we're running. We're running across the field. 1:38:19.720 --> 1:38:21.800 That's it. They're not gonna ask him to break down 1:38:21.800 --> 1:38:23.360 to the top of the route. They're not gonna ask 1:38:23.439 --> 1:38:25.479 him to run an option with you know, a three 1:38:25.520 --> 1:38:26.960 way go and you have to decide and you have 1:38:27.000 --> 1:38:28.400 to make a move and you have to get open. 1:38:28.560 --> 1:38:31.519 They're gonna say, you have the deep over, you have 1:38:31.640 --> 1:38:34.880 the underneath cross, or you have the slide route, you know, 1:38:35.080 --> 1:38:37.160 the submarine route at the line of scrimmage. 1:38:38.000 --> 1:38:38.040 Go. 1:38:38.760 --> 1:38:42.320 That's all they're gonna tell them. And at four two eight, 1:38:43.160 --> 1:38:45.960 that's what that does. Right now, he's got to go 1:38:46.000 --> 1:38:48.040 out there and actually play well and catch the ball 1:38:48.160 --> 1:38:50.320 and catch the ball and not get hurt every time 1:38:50.360 --> 1:38:52.760 he falls to the ground. Right Like, that's that's on him. 1:38:52.920 --> 1:38:55.040 That's up. And I'm not doing it in that respect, 1:38:55.320 --> 1:38:56.760 like I gotta have to see it to believe it. There, 1:38:57.120 --> 1:39:00.120 But in terms of stylistic fit him and as you 1:39:00.360 --> 1:39:02.120 are not terrible fits for what they're gonna try to 1:39:02.160 --> 1:39:05.679 do offensively. That's it. That's all. I'm saying. You gotta 1:39:05.720 --> 1:39:06.320 cut somebody. 1:39:06.439 --> 1:39:08.519 And I don't know if if they move on from 1:39:08.600 --> 1:39:12.000 kJ Osborne, who's new, or they bury the rookies just 1:39:12.080 --> 1:39:14.200 to go back to Juju Smith Schuster just to go 1:39:14.360 --> 1:39:16.160 back to Taekwon Thornton and it doesn't work. 1:39:16.600 --> 1:39:19.559 That's such a rough look. That's such a bad look. 1:39:19.600 --> 1:39:19.960 I'm with you. 1:39:20.360 --> 1:39:20.800 I'm with you. 1:39:21.040 --> 1:39:23.519 I'm just trying to give I'm making the case for Taekwon. 1:39:23.600 --> 1:39:25.920 That's out. I'm not saying that I want like I 1:39:26.000 --> 1:39:28.559 think it's gonna happen. I'm just make I think. 1:39:28.720 --> 1:39:33.160 I think it's gonna end up being the rookies, pop Born, 1:39:33.840 --> 1:39:36.719 Osbourne and maybe Riger I think those are your receivers. 1:39:36.800 --> 1:39:40.120 If they feel like Rager still translates on this new 1:39:40.240 --> 1:39:42.920 kickoff role, he should, He really should. Then he'll make 1:39:42.960 --> 1:39:45.759 the team. He key apps. This is is so perfect 1:39:45.800 --> 1:39:46.080 for him. 1:39:46.080 --> 1:39:49.560 He really should, unless they feel like Marcus Jones is 1:39:49.600 --> 1:39:51.080 just gonna hand because they have other guys that can 1:39:51.120 --> 1:39:52.960 do it. Yeah, best thing, he's got to be better 1:39:53.000 --> 1:39:55.160 at it than Marcus Jones. He's gonna be better. I'd 1:39:55.200 --> 1:39:57.000 give Antonio Gibson a look. I think it's a good 1:39:57.040 --> 1:40:00.920 fit for his skill set. Uh, I wouldn't try pot. 1:40:00.960 --> 1:40:02.400 It's a good fit for pop skills set. But he 1:40:02.640 --> 1:40:03.200 gets hurt a lot. 1:40:03.240 --> 1:40:06.200 He's a small guys. It's a good shout because it's 1:40:06.240 --> 1:40:08.519 a running back thing, but he's got speed like it's 1:40:08.680 --> 1:40:11.280 even maybe you know, you might be the one who does. 1:40:11.360 --> 1:40:14.160 Talking to somebody who was talking to people at Florida 1:40:14.200 --> 1:40:17.160 State who were like really excited about Shaheen Bell, was 1:40:17.200 --> 1:40:19.520 that you in this in this format. 1:40:19.320 --> 1:40:21.360 I don't know. You know he would have the ability 1:40:21.479 --> 1:40:25.200 to maybe like returning chunks. Yeah, I don't think he 1:40:25.240 --> 1:40:27.280 would have the breakaway speed to like hit an eight 1:40:27.560 --> 1:40:28.599 ninety five yard return. 1:40:28.720 --> 1:40:31.080 There might be some teams, and we'll see if the 1:40:31.120 --> 1:40:32.680 Patriots are one of these, because everybody's gonna have a 1:40:32.680 --> 1:40:35.200 different approach to this, and just from some people I've 1:40:35.280 --> 1:40:37.560 talked to, right, I think there's gonna be teams to 1:40:37.600 --> 1:40:39.040 look at it and say we want a home run 1:40:39.120 --> 1:40:41.240 hitter back there. We can set up home run plays. 1:40:41.680 --> 1:40:43.360 But the thing about setting up the home run plays, 1:40:43.360 --> 1:40:45.360 they don't always work. There may be some teams to 1:40:45.400 --> 1:40:47.320 look at it and say, we can scheme this up 1:40:47.360 --> 1:40:49.879 that we start with the ball the forty yard line every. 1:40:49.720 --> 1:40:51.639 Time, right, twenty twenty five yard chunk. 1:40:51.800 --> 1:40:51.880 Right. 1:40:52.320 --> 1:40:54.559 And if that's what you're looking for, like Jahem Bell 1:40:54.720 --> 1:40:56.000 is that guy, you go to look at him at 1:40:56.000 --> 1:40:58.080 South Carolina as a running back, Yeah, and then you 1:40:58.160 --> 1:40:59.640 look at some of the scheme touches that they gave 1:40:59.720 --> 1:41:02.120 him at Florida State. If you're if you're one of 1:41:02.160 --> 1:41:04.439 those teams that is okay with the fact that he's 1:41:04.439 --> 1:41:06.519 gonna get coffrom behind, so you're not gonna have the 1:41:06.600 --> 1:41:09.559 house calls, but you might have those fifteen to twenty 1:41:09.680 --> 1:41:12.840 twenty five yard chunk. Las average is gonna be more 1:41:12.920 --> 1:41:15.200 reflective of what he thinks. Right, you have two guys. 1:41:15.280 --> 1:41:19.240 One guy has a five yard return and an eighty 1:41:19.320 --> 1:41:22.599 five yard return and he averages right forty yards per return, 1:41:23.080 --> 1:41:24.639 or you have a guy that averages thirty, but he's 1:41:24.640 --> 1:41:27.160 actually returning the ball thirty yards every time. Who would 1:41:27.160 --> 1:41:29.320 you rather have? It's gonna be really interesting to see 1:41:29.320 --> 1:41:31.920 how all the teams scheme this up. 1:41:32.040 --> 1:41:33.640 Yeah, I believe it or not. That was actually one 1:41:33.680 --> 1:41:37.200 of my notes was that we didn't see any kickoffs. Yeah, 1:41:37.240 --> 1:41:39.360 and my guess is that they're still holding that back 1:41:39.400 --> 1:41:40.560 a little bit. They're working on that. 1:41:40.600 --> 1:41:44.000 I'm so interested, man, I know, but like I'm so 1:41:44.160 --> 1:41:45.479 interested in what that's gonna look like. 1:41:45.920 --> 1:41:47.400 That's it. That's all you get on there. You're not 1:41:47.479 --> 1:41:49.840 a little interested. I'm interested, but we haven't seen it yet. 1:41:49.840 --> 1:41:52.479 But okay, so I well let me ad minutes lefter. 1:41:52.479 --> 1:41:54.320 I don't want to spend twenty on on the kick. 1:41:54.160 --> 1:41:57.240 Okay, but I don't think we've actually had this conversation before. 1:41:57.800 --> 1:41:59.960 You love de X's nose, and you've always talked about 1:42:00.120 --> 1:42:01.960 in a whiteboard and hear and actually draw on stuff up. 1:42:02.080 --> 1:42:02.280 Yep. 1:42:02.680 --> 1:42:07.080 If you were, you understand the rules, you see the rules, yep. 1:42:07.280 --> 1:42:10.280 What would your approach be to this? How would you 1:42:10.400 --> 1:42:14.360 scheme it up? I think there's two different approaches, okay, Okay. 1:42:14.600 --> 1:42:16.719 The first one that I would try is I would 1:42:16.800 --> 1:42:19.720 run it like power, where I'd have a double team 1:42:19.760 --> 1:42:22.120 at the point of attack and then pull somebody through 1:42:22.200 --> 1:42:24.080 the middle of it and have that be the lead 1:42:24.160 --> 1:42:26.800 blocker that against them through the line of scrimmage. Because 1:42:26.880 --> 1:42:28.280 really what you're trying to do is get them through 1:42:28.320 --> 1:42:30.720 a line of scrimmage, right, that's what you're trying to accomplish. 1:42:31.000 --> 1:42:33.800 So by folding the defense and then having somebody pull through, 1:42:34.320 --> 1:42:36.880 now you have that ability to get that alley going, right. 1:42:37.320 --> 1:42:40.000 That's that would be my first approach. The second approach, 1:42:40.280 --> 1:42:43.560 which is going to take some cahone Yeah, is reverses. 1:42:43.960 --> 1:42:47.360 So I was gonna say whatever I'm doing because there's 1:42:47.439 --> 1:42:49.160 two you can either have ten on the line and 1:42:49.240 --> 1:42:51.360 one back or nine on the line and two back. Yeah. 1:42:51.640 --> 1:42:53.479 I would be a nine and two team. Yeah, me too. 1:42:53.560 --> 1:42:55.000 I would always and I'm not going to run the 1:42:55.040 --> 1:42:57.559 reverse every time, but I would always have the threat 1:42:57.560 --> 1:42:59.800 of it. Have it, have it there, and you can 1:42:59.840 --> 1:43:01.840 get the looks, you can fake the reverses and they 1:43:01.880 --> 1:43:04.599 can hold the backside. Yeah. Yeah, that's that. I think 1:43:04.680 --> 1:43:07.280 to me, that is going to be the hardest if 1:43:07.320 --> 1:43:09.760 you can execute it well enough. Yeah, that would be 1:43:09.840 --> 1:43:10.800 the hardest thing to defend. 1:43:11.000 --> 1:43:15.360 And maybe maybe that's what you do where you have 1:43:15.640 --> 1:43:18.559 your home run guy is one of the guys back, 1:43:19.400 --> 1:43:23.080 and then you're you know, more consistent, you know, put 1:43:23.439 --> 1:43:25.920 Jalen Rager in one spot, Shaheen Bell and the other 1:43:26.439 --> 1:43:27.960 and now they have to be ready for both and 1:43:28.000 --> 1:43:29.640 if you really want the home run, you run the 1:43:29.720 --> 1:43:32.720 reverse with with Ray or around Bell, things like that. 1:43:33.640 --> 1:43:37.600 Coverage wise, I would almost play it like zone. I 1:43:37.680 --> 1:43:41.439 would actually drop like three different layers. I would layer it. 1:43:41.560 --> 1:43:43.640 I would actually drop some guys back and maybe you 1:43:43.800 --> 1:43:47.320 can see a little bit of yardage, but I know 1:43:47.479 --> 1:43:48.880 I'm from watching the XFL. 1:43:48.920 --> 1:43:49.360 I remember this. 1:43:49.479 --> 1:43:54.120 There were teams that would just initiate contact at at 1:43:54.320 --> 1:43:57.719 the catch, and the problem is you have everybody moving 1:43:57.800 --> 1:44:01.479 forward and it's one guy, or you get clumped together 1:44:01.640 --> 1:44:05.160 or something right that one guy screws up and now 1:44:05.200 --> 1:44:07.040 it's the kicker. And that's one other thing I would 1:44:07.040 --> 1:44:08.519 do with this, and we've talked a little bit about this. 1:44:09.040 --> 1:44:11.040 I would figure out between the kicker and the punter, 1:44:11.320 --> 1:44:13.679 who's the better tackler, because that's gonna matter. 1:44:13.800 --> 1:44:16.680 Now, Oh that's gotta be a bearinger Rolin's tiny. Well, 1:44:16.680 --> 1:44:18.360 we don't who the kicker is gonna be. That's fair. 1:44:18.720 --> 1:44:21.400 I would think bearer is a better tackler between those two. 1:44:21.520 --> 1:44:23.639 The layer is in it. I think an interesting theory. 1:44:23.680 --> 1:44:25.640 I would play it like instead of playing it like 1:44:25.800 --> 1:44:27.840 get like gap, Like all right, you're gonna fill this gap. 1:44:27.880 --> 1:44:29.920 You're gonna fill this gap. I would be you just 1:44:30.120 --> 1:44:33.640 occupy blocks, right, you occupy box in this area. You 1:44:33.720 --> 1:44:34.479 go in this area. 1:44:34.520 --> 1:44:36.840 I'm bringing a couple guys. Maybe you know you're gonna 1:44:36.920 --> 1:44:40.240 drop back five yards on the initial and you're gonna 1:44:40.280 --> 1:44:41.000 kind of play behind. 1:44:41.160 --> 1:44:43.840 Use the linebackers for that. That's how i'd cover it. 1:44:43.960 --> 1:44:47.400 I would not try playing gap because you blow one gap, 1:44:47.760 --> 1:44:50.120 that's where those home runs are gonna be. I would 1:44:50.120 --> 1:44:52.120 play it a little bit safer, maybe concede a little 1:44:52.160 --> 1:44:54.840 bit more return, but limit the ability for the big play. 1:44:54.880 --> 1:44:56.519 And I know I said we're not gonna do fifteen 1:44:56.520 --> 1:44:58.639 minutes on this, but last thing on this, Yeah, I'm 1:44:58.720 --> 1:45:01.200 really fascinated about this is what we did. This is like, 1:45:02.400 --> 1:45:05.360 I'm real fascinated about the body types that they use 1:45:05.479 --> 1:45:08.080 because I think you got to vary it well. I'm 1:45:08.120 --> 1:45:10.160 more talking about body types at the point of attack 1:45:10.640 --> 1:45:14.160 because now I think you're in a world where, like 1:45:14.760 --> 1:45:18.439 is Devon Godshow going to be on kickoffs. I think 1:45:18.479 --> 1:45:21.120 you need to be more mobile than that. Anthony Jennings, 1:45:21.160 --> 1:45:25.360 Isy Jennings so ke On White. White's the kind of 1:45:25.400 --> 1:45:27.080 guy Anthony Jennings. 1:45:27.640 --> 1:45:29.400 I don't think you're gonna put a tackle out there 1:45:29.439 --> 1:45:31.000 because remember there's still ten yards apart. 1:45:31.520 --> 1:45:34.320 I know, but if teams do what I think they're 1:45:34.360 --> 1:45:36.080 gonna do, which is and they start doubling at the 1:45:36.120 --> 1:45:38.160 point of attack, I just think there's a lot of 1:45:38.240 --> 1:45:41.320 that going on that's gonna go on. It's to me, 1:45:41.520 --> 1:45:42.320 it's a run play. 1:45:42.600 --> 1:45:45.800 But he So if I see the Devon Gotcha out there, 1:45:45.800 --> 1:45:47.719 because remember it's spread out the length of the field, 1:45:47.760 --> 1:45:50.639 it's not narrow like a like a scrimmage making, I'm 1:45:50.720 --> 1:45:53.000 gonna single block Devon Gotscha and make him chase down 1:45:53.040 --> 1:45:55.479 the returner. Yeah, that that's fair. So I think I 1:45:55.560 --> 1:45:58.560 look at edge setters as edge setters. I don't know 1:45:58.640 --> 1:46:00.920 if they'll put Juwan Bentley out there just because the 1:46:01.000 --> 1:46:01.599 injury risk. 1:46:01.479 --> 1:46:03.920 But maybe, like you know, I think linebackers like I 1:46:04.000 --> 1:46:07.880 think like Taki Taki Jennings Kean is a good call, 1:46:08.080 --> 1:46:08.479 like I think. 1:46:08.400 --> 1:46:12.200 Those honestly, who's a fantastic for this, so he's gonna 1:46:12.200 --> 1:46:16.640 get special. I think it's it's edge defenders, maybe some 1:46:16.760 --> 1:46:20.519 of your more athletic defensive ends and box safeties. That's 1:46:20.560 --> 1:46:23.200 gonna be your coverage team, and then your return team 1:46:23.600 --> 1:46:25.680 is gonna be tight end like not the returners, like 1:46:25.720 --> 1:46:26.320 the up guys. 1:46:26.920 --> 1:46:28.639 It's gonna be tight ends. 1:46:28.680 --> 1:46:30.559 And I think you might see teams carry more tight 1:46:30.680 --> 1:46:32.559 ends now because they can block on the run. They're 1:46:32.600 --> 1:46:34.360 good at blocking in the run. It's gonna be tight 1:46:34.520 --> 1:46:38.800 ends and you're more athletic tackles. Yeah, I agree with that, 1:46:40.120 --> 1:46:41.599 and maybe if you have like an h back kind 1:46:41.640 --> 1:46:41.880 of guy. 1:46:41.920 --> 1:46:45.479 A couple more things. It was great to see Christian 1:46:45.479 --> 1:46:49.840 Gonzalez back out there looking like Christian Gonzales. Yeah, Christian 1:46:49.840 --> 1:46:53.439 Gonzalez move like he moves. He's just a freaking awesome 1:46:53.520 --> 1:46:56.439 athlete to watch in practice. So he's ice skating, Yeah, 1:46:56.479 --> 1:46:58.720 he He had a couple of reps that they're doing 1:46:58.760 --> 1:47:01.200 positional drills and just he's doing like a mirror drill 1:47:01.280 --> 1:47:04.040 and just how side to side movement that he can 1:47:04.120 --> 1:47:05.960 just pull out and flip his hips and get up 1:47:06.000 --> 1:47:09.560 the field so smoothly. Yeah, that that I could. You know, 1:47:10.720 --> 1:47:13.800 I gotta be careful and not get in a room 1:47:13.880 --> 1:47:16.160 by myself on Christian Zalez, you know like that that 1:47:16.320 --> 1:47:20.920 guy moves like a ballerina. I is it hyperbole to 1:47:21.040 --> 1:47:24.000 say that Christian Gonzales might be the best player on 1:47:24.080 --> 1:47:27.320 the Patriots right now. I mean, they're just sample sized, 1:47:27.360 --> 1:47:31.960 just really isn't there when I watch their practices. And granted, 1:47:32.439 --> 1:47:34.479 the other guy I think that's in the running wasn't 1:47:34.520 --> 1:47:37.240 there in Judan And he's also just not gonna be 1:47:37.320 --> 1:47:39.240 this type, like he's not gonna be a ballerina on 1:47:39.280 --> 1:47:41.760 a practice field type of player. But when I watch 1:47:41.840 --> 1:47:44.960 their practices, there's one guy to me that consistently moves 1:47:45.000 --> 1:47:47.360 different from everybody else, and it's Gonzales. Like he's the 1:47:47.560 --> 1:47:49.320 He's the one guy that I look at and I'm like, 1:47:49.640 --> 1:47:52.800 that is a stud athlete, like that is a blue 1:47:52.920 --> 1:47:56.439 chip NFL athlete. The other guys I think are all 1:47:56.840 --> 1:48:02.080 kind of clustered together, you know, as solid NFL athletes, 1:48:02.120 --> 1:48:05.000 good NFL athletes. I think Christian Gonzales moves the best 1:48:05.040 --> 1:48:08.040 out of anybody on the Patriots roster. He's just an 1:48:08.080 --> 1:48:08.719 excellent movement. 1:48:08.720 --> 1:48:10.040 So I'm not willing to say he's the best player 1:48:10.120 --> 1:48:12.200 right now, because again that that sample sizes by the 1:48:12.280 --> 1:48:14.040 end of the year, there's a real chance by the 1:48:14.120 --> 1:48:15.160 end of the year we're saying he's the best. 1:48:15.160 --> 1:48:16.640 But I I need a little see a little more 1:48:16.680 --> 1:48:18.519 before I say something like that. Yeah, that's fair. 1:48:19.400 --> 1:48:20.880 All this is an interesting which just from the YouTube 1:48:20.880 --> 1:48:23.840 comments on the kick return thing. Jotham Russell, rugby player. 1:48:24.439 --> 1:48:27.360 Yeah, I like, I feel like the pitch, the pitch 1:48:27.479 --> 1:48:31.519 is gonna be a thing, and like executing the pitches 1:48:31.640 --> 1:48:33.960 like a rugby player would. I know this is maybe 1:48:34.080 --> 1:48:36.200 more talking about like tackling and stuff like that maybe, 1:48:36.520 --> 1:48:41.400 but excellent executing a Rugby style pitch as a part 1:48:41.439 --> 1:48:44.280 of this whole thing, I think would really be advantageous. 1:48:44.320 --> 1:48:46.040 Like I think you could really do some damage with 1:48:46.160 --> 1:48:47.520 that because especially. 1:48:47.400 --> 1:48:51.479 Well so there was one team that Ascent, they had 1:48:51.560 --> 1:48:54.000 the two returners back and essentially ran it like a 1:48:54.080 --> 1:48:54.839 read option. 1:48:54.960 --> 1:48:57.080 Right, that's what they do in rugby. Like I'm not 1:48:57.160 --> 1:49:00.639 a I'm not a big rugby guy. Uh, college roommate 1:49:00.680 --> 1:49:02.680 played rugby in college. I want I way to go 1:49:02.760 --> 1:49:05.680 to a couple of their games and he you know, 1:49:05.880 --> 1:49:08.400 they obviously have it's like a it's like an option pitch, 1:49:08.800 --> 1:49:10.640 and you know they'll have somebody kind of running a 1:49:10.640 --> 1:49:12.839 little bit behind the guy with the ball on the outside. 1:49:13.240 --> 1:49:17.280 If you can two on one somebody on the outside 1:49:17.600 --> 1:49:20.600 in this situation and then execute the pitch, then that 1:49:20.720 --> 1:49:22.479 guy's gone, like that's how they score in rugby. 1:49:23.000 --> 1:49:24.720 I don't know how you can't be excited about it. 1:49:25.360 --> 1:49:27.240 Excited No, No, I know I know you are, But 1:49:27.320 --> 1:49:29.000 like people in try to like, oh, it's gonna be annoying. 1:49:29.080 --> 1:49:33.120 This is it's a real football play. This is a 1:49:33.360 --> 1:49:35.680 people are like, oh, it's gimmicky, like it lookskimmy. I 1:49:35.800 --> 1:49:38.360 understand that it looks gimmicky once you get past the 1:49:38.479 --> 1:49:44.160 initial aesthetic of it. This is a real football play 1:49:44.200 --> 1:49:46.360 that's going to be going on, and it's gonna be 1:49:46.400 --> 1:49:48.160 interesting to see how different teams try to skim. 1:49:48.360 --> 1:49:50.320 To me, if there's anything that it's the most like, 1:49:50.960 --> 1:49:53.760 it reminds me the most of rugby. And if if 1:49:53.800 --> 1:49:55.920 you can execute that pitch and like I said, you 1:49:55.960 --> 1:49:58.519 can two on one somebody on the outside, like that's 1:49:58.960 --> 1:50:01.960 how like a ton of tries, as they called him 1:50:01.960 --> 1:50:05.599 are scored in rugby, is by getting out on the perimeter. 1:50:05.840 --> 1:50:07.640 Then you two on one somebody and you pitch it 1:50:07.720 --> 1:50:09.160 to the guy or you keep it, you know, if 1:50:09.200 --> 1:50:12.280 he jumps the pitch and then you're off a couple 1:50:12.320 --> 1:50:15.040 of other things really quickly here as we wrap it up, 1:50:16.479 --> 1:50:18.840 we mentioned this earlier in the show, just slot corner, 1:50:18.920 --> 1:50:21.960 outside Corner, that kind of thing. Alex Austin and Marco Wilson. 1:50:22.360 --> 1:50:25.240 I love that. I love giving those guys the opportunity 1:50:25.479 --> 1:50:29.320 at outside Corner my ideal. And I know you touched 1:50:29.360 --> 1:50:32.479 on this too. Yeah, Gonzales obviously is going to be 1:50:32.640 --> 1:50:36.760 one spot. Maybe Austin or someone you know emerges for 1:50:36.800 --> 1:50:39.120 the other spot, and then you can kick Jay Jones 1:50:39.160 --> 1:50:39.639 back inside. 1:50:39.720 --> 1:50:42.160 I think you're looking at it, Austin, Marco Wilson, will 1:50:42.200 --> 1:50:44.200 see if Isaiah Bolden can pick up where he left 1:50:44.240 --> 1:50:44.800 off last year. 1:50:44.840 --> 1:50:46.800 Yeah, maybe those I would throw a dial in there too, 1:50:47.080 --> 1:50:49.439 all right, Mikey Victor, we can keep going on, Mikey 1:50:49.520 --> 1:50:52.560 Victor dial. Did you even watch him or not? Not 1:50:52.680 --> 1:50:55.200 at time? All right? Maybe like one game, he's got 1:50:55.280 --> 1:50:56.800 the size that I'm like, all right, let's see what 1:50:56.840 --> 1:51:01.120 it looks like the other thing. Keon White still, I'm 1:51:01.160 --> 1:51:05.880 still wondering with Kean White. Love his attitude. I think 1:51:05.920 --> 1:51:09.000 that there's a skill set there. I'm fascinated to see 1:51:09.120 --> 1:51:13.040 if they can He's a tweeter and I'm fascinated to 1:51:13.080 --> 1:51:15.400 see if they can get it out of him to 1:51:15.520 --> 1:51:20.240 be a consistent impact player. He's got tools, and he's 1:51:20.280 --> 1:51:23.480 got he's got that. He's definitely got the the intangible 1:51:23.520 --> 1:51:26.200 stuff right Like he's just he's ready to run through 1:51:26.520 --> 1:51:29.040 a you know who, his face, you know But I 1:51:29.120 --> 1:51:31.599 think the biggest thing with him is is he gonna 1:51:31.640 --> 1:51:33.400 stand up? Is he gonna have his hand in the dirt? 1:51:33.800 --> 1:51:36.040 If he does both, is he ever gonna be effective 1:51:36.200 --> 1:51:38.280 enough to do him both at a high level? Like 1:51:38.400 --> 1:51:41.920 I still am concerned about where he fits, how he fits, 1:51:42.560 --> 1:51:45.400 and if they're gonna be able to figure him out. 1:51:45.640 --> 1:51:48.120 It's a it's a tough one to figure out because 1:51:49.160 --> 1:51:50.960 he's a little too light. If you ask me to 1:51:51.040 --> 1:51:53.160 be a three four end, Like playing three four end 1:51:53.160 --> 1:51:55.360 at two eighty five is gonna be tough unless they're 1:51:55.439 --> 1:51:59.280 truly allowing him to shoot gaps consistently. I've talked about 1:51:59.280 --> 1:52:01.960 being more aggressive. That's gonna be tough too, Like you're 1:52:02.000 --> 1:52:04.000 gonna get double teamed and you're gonna get blown off 1:52:04.000 --> 1:52:05.559 the ball at two at eighty five in a two 1:52:05.640 --> 1:52:08.760 gapping scheme. Being up on his feet at two eighty five, 1:52:08.800 --> 1:52:10.800 Now you're talking about being too heavy to be up 1:52:10.840 --> 1:52:13.760 in space and up on your feet. I like him. 1:52:13.960 --> 1:52:18.400 I like his attitude. He's a fun player to think about. Conceptually, 1:52:18.560 --> 1:52:20.719 I just don't know where he fits in this defense, 1:52:20.840 --> 1:52:22.679 like in a three to four, in a true odd 1:52:22.760 --> 1:52:25.439 front mechanic defense. I just don't know exactly where he 1:52:25.560 --> 1:52:28.559 fits in this whole out. The other thing I wrote 1:52:28.600 --> 1:52:32.240 down was Devon Godshaw's situation. I think that this bear 1:52:32.360 --> 1:52:34.479 is watching. I think we all know that Judan situation 1:52:34.640 --> 1:52:37.640 bears watching. Devon Godshaw's in the last year of his 1:52:37.800 --> 1:52:41.680 contract with the Patriots, and I think he's looking through 1:52:41.800 --> 1:52:46.400 for a new deal. So I I'm I think this 1:52:46.560 --> 1:52:50.200 is guaranteed money this year. It's an opinion, Okay, don't 1:52:50.280 --> 1:52:53.639 don't aggregate me, all right, but I think that Devon 1:52:53.720 --> 1:52:57.679 Godshaw's situation is more than just like he's a veteran 1:52:57.720 --> 1:52:59.760 that doesn't feel like showing up totas Like I think 1:52:59.760 --> 1:53:02.320 they're a little bit something there. And when you start 1:53:02.400 --> 1:53:06.680 to play Jenga with the Patriots defense, you moved on 1:53:06.760 --> 1:53:08.680 from Lawrence Guy, which I think was an okay and 1:53:08.920 --> 1:53:11.759 sort of right thing to do. You pulled Van Gotcha 1:53:11.800 --> 1:53:13.519 out of that. You pulled Jude on it like you're 1:53:13.560 --> 1:53:17.160 starting to pull some veteran staples, you know, guys that 1:53:17.200 --> 1:53:20.040 you can really count on, you know, reliable players on 1:53:20.120 --> 1:53:21.960 that defense. So I'm interested to see what ends up 1:53:21.960 --> 1:53:23.040 happening where to me, we. 1:53:23.360 --> 1:53:26.280 Talked about nose tackle or at least defensive tackle being 1:53:26.320 --> 1:53:28.000 like a sneaky need for them this offseason. 1:53:28.040 --> 1:53:30.840 They never really addressed it. So he's got to be here. Yeah, 1:53:31.080 --> 1:53:32.960 he's got to be here. He's not on the same 1:53:33.040 --> 1:53:35.519 level as Judon in this respect, but in a smaller 1:53:35.920 --> 1:53:38.960 sense if they wanted to have any chance of being 1:53:39.040 --> 1:53:42.080 competitive next year, I feel like they still have to 1:53:42.120 --> 1:53:44.280 hang on to some of these piece, these veteran guys. 1:53:44.600 --> 1:53:48.599 Judaan is a bigger piece obviously, but on a smaller scale, 1:53:48.600 --> 1:53:51.040 a guy like Godshaw I think is still important. He's 1:53:51.080 --> 1:53:52.960 only twenty nine, so it's you can give him a 1:53:52.960 --> 1:53:55.160 couple of years too. Yeah, I think I think he 1:53:55.200 --> 1:53:58.240 wants wants the mula all right. Before we wrap it up, 1:53:58.640 --> 1:54:02.439 Connor from Florida is asking the real questions of us 1:54:02.520 --> 1:54:05.280 out okay, and that is of the Boston Celtics and 1:54:05.360 --> 1:54:07.240 what is going on at TV Guarden. You knew I 1:54:07.360 --> 1:54:10.479 had to hit on this, Yeah, I thought Jwash, Jake Bates, 1:54:11.400 --> 1:54:13.080 I did, I did hear and people are tagging me 1:54:13.160 --> 1:54:19.439 on Twitter, but uh, Connor is talking about the national 1:54:19.560 --> 1:54:22.560 media and their reaction to Jason Tatum. I am not 1:54:23.240 --> 1:54:26.000 ready to pick on the national media yet because I've 1:54:26.040 --> 1:54:29.200 seen this movie before. You pick on the national media 1:54:29.240 --> 1:54:32.160 and everybody that doubted you after you win the title, 1:54:32.520 --> 1:54:36.560 like when we're all at the start talking. But when 1:54:36.600 --> 1:54:39.200 we're all at the parade in three weeks, that is 1:54:39.320 --> 1:54:41.960 when you can start picking on everybody, right, Like when 1:54:42.120 --> 1:54:44.920 in twenty eighteen with the Patriots when they rattled off 1:54:44.960 --> 1:54:48.120 the last Super Bowl. That's when we made the shirts 1:54:48.200 --> 1:54:51.600 and got Nick Wright and Colin Coward and all these cacks. Right, 1:54:52.040 --> 1:54:54.840 Wait until you win the ring. Then you brag. Then 1:54:54.920 --> 1:54:57.240 you put everybody in their place. But that being said, 1:54:57.480 --> 1:54:59.760 you covered the game on Tuesday. I was at the 1:54:59.800 --> 1:55:02.000 game him as a fan on Tuesday. One of the 1:55:02.680 --> 1:55:06.680 best live basketball games I've probably been to in quite 1:55:06.680 --> 1:55:09.360 a while, probably since Like the Paul Pierce KG Celtics 1:55:10.040 --> 1:55:12.560 atmosphere was off the off the change. 1:55:12.880 --> 1:55:14.520 I don't know what's going on with these crowd mics, 1:55:14.560 --> 1:55:16.720 Like it's not coming across on TV the way I 1:55:16.800 --> 1:55:18.480 mean that that building was electric. 1:55:18.720 --> 1:55:23.040 It was electric. I we are obviously not old enough 1:55:23.080 --> 1:55:27.120 to see have seen Larry Bird play with our own eyes, unfortunately, 1:55:27.960 --> 1:55:31.760 but I've seen the highlight of Larry Bird stealing the 1:55:31.800 --> 1:55:34.520 ball underneath the basket and passing it to DJ a 1:55:34.720 --> 1:55:40.440 million times. And the Jalen Brown steal Pascal Siakam play 1:55:40.800 --> 1:55:42.800 was so remedy. I know he didn't score right off 1:55:42.880 --> 1:55:45.360 of it, but it was very reminiscent of that where 1:55:46.160 --> 1:55:49.080 the game was over for all intents and purposes and 1:55:49.160 --> 1:55:53.400 they literally stole the game. UH from UH Detroit back 1:55:53.440 --> 1:55:56.440 then with Larry Bird and and from UH Indiana on 1:55:57.240 --> 1:56:00.560 on Tuesday night. Great atmosphere. I think that two biggest 1:56:00.640 --> 1:56:05.000 moments that were when they got the ball back, you know, 1:56:05.160 --> 1:56:07.960 late before the Jalen Brown shot. I got a little excited. 1:56:08.120 --> 1:56:10.120 I was like, all right, like you still got a chance. 1:56:10.200 --> 1:56:12.640 Isn't over yet. Then they hit the shot and I 1:56:13.400 --> 1:56:14.880 did a fist pump or something. You know, I was 1:56:14.920 --> 1:56:18.080 pretty excited. When Jason Tatum hit the three in overtime 1:56:18.360 --> 1:56:21.040 to give them the four point lead, I went crazy, 1:56:21.240 --> 1:56:23.720 like that was when I lost my mind because that 1:56:23.880 --> 1:56:25.520 was when I was like, oh my god, they're actually 1:56:25.560 --> 1:56:28.640 gonna win this freaking game. So that was incredible. I 1:56:29.120 --> 1:56:33.520 think this series is going to be very similar to 1:56:34.080 --> 1:56:37.000 remember that Brooklyn series in twenty twenty two. They swept 1:56:37.000 --> 1:56:39.680 Brooklyn in the first round, but each game was pretty 1:56:39.720 --> 1:56:42.440 close competitive, so it wasn't it wasn't like a true 1:56:42.800 --> 1:56:45.760 like butt kicking. It was honestly a very competitive sweep. 1:56:45.840 --> 1:56:47.800 If you can have one of those. I wonder if 1:56:47.840 --> 1:56:50.200 this series is gonna be like that, where like each 1:56:50.320 --> 1:56:54.040 game is gonna be a bar fight to quote KG. Yeah, 1:56:54.200 --> 1:56:57.400 but the Celtics are just the more veteran, savvy, better 1:56:57.520 --> 1:56:59.680 team and they're just gonna end up winning some of 1:56:59.720 --> 1:57:02.520 these those games that the Pacers just fumble the ball 1:57:02.840 --> 1:57:05.800 literally Tyres Halliburton. H. So I wonder if this is 1:57:05.800 --> 1:57:08.040 gonna be that kind of series. Yeah, we'll see. I 1:57:10.280 --> 1:57:12.880 The big thing for me, like Miles Turner killed them 1:57:13.080 --> 1:57:16.240 in game one him and in Siakam they're they're pick 1:57:16.280 --> 1:57:18.480 and roll defense, and I was watching I watched the 1:57:18.760 --> 1:57:20.960 game last night with the Western Conference. You got a 1:57:21.000 --> 1:57:23.480 scout ahead for the finals, right, give me the all 1:57:23.560 --> 1:57:26.800 ten Evan. If they don't figure out their pick and 1:57:26.880 --> 1:57:29.760 roll defense and then they play Luca and Kyrie in 1:57:29.840 --> 1:57:31.600 the finals, they're gonna have issue. 1:57:31.600 --> 1:57:33.120 Well, I think what makes it tough they're getting to 1:57:33.160 --> 1:57:35.160 taste their own medicine here because you have Miles Turner. 1:57:35.200 --> 1:57:36.800 I don't think he's a seven footer, but like six ten, 1:57:36.840 --> 1:57:43.160 six eleven, right long, dude, you can't like Dallas doesn't 1:57:43.200 --> 1:57:45.640 have Karl Anthony Towns. Would concern me more because Karl 1:57:45.680 --> 1:57:48.880 Anthony town is a big dudoo can shoot Miles Turner 1:57:49.000 --> 1:57:51.600 six eleven. You want to play drop coverage on the 1:57:51.640 --> 1:57:53.480 big guy, but he can just hit the shot if 1:57:53.480 --> 1:57:55.880 you play drop coverage on him. And that's what they've 1:57:55.960 --> 1:57:58.720 done to teams with Porzingis all the year. And that's 1:57:58.760 --> 1:58:01.320 why I don't think this is a week they need 1:58:01.400 --> 1:58:03.840 Porzingis to counter guy like Turner. Turner is gonna win 1:58:03.880 --> 1:58:05.880 the Pacers a game at some point in the series. 1:58:05.920 --> 1:58:07.960 It'll probably be tonight. Just given the way these game 1:58:08.040 --> 1:58:09.920 twos have gone, I like them tonight. I think the 1:58:10.000 --> 1:58:11.240 Celtics we've been. 1:58:14.520 --> 1:58:17.680 Game too. I think they wanted they're wearing different jerseys. 1:58:18.240 --> 1:58:19.960 They know this is an issue, like they I know, 1:58:20.080 --> 1:58:22.080 I know, I know, but I think and they talked 1:58:22.080 --> 1:58:25.120 a lot about that after Game one. But yeah, I 1:58:25.720 --> 1:58:28.280 I just think if they had Porzingis, I'd feel much 1:58:28.320 --> 1:58:30.920 more confident. This is the first time that really because 1:58:30.960 --> 1:58:33.800 Jared Allen was out right that Cleveland series. I think 1:58:33.840 --> 1:58:35.600 this is the first time they're really being tested in 1:58:35.720 --> 1:58:37.600 terms of a big man, especially a big man that 1:58:37.640 --> 1:58:40.520 can stretch the floor without Porzingis, and you saw his 1:58:40.680 --> 1:58:43.520 absence much more. Now they're getting Xavier Tillman back tonight, 1:58:43.960 --> 1:58:47.440 so maybe that helps because that's kind of Tillman's role. 1:58:47.520 --> 1:58:50.320 And he missed he had personal reasons he missed Game one. 1:58:50.760 --> 1:58:54.400 But I still think Turner can. I'm surprised Pacers went 1:58:54.400 --> 1:58:56.040 away from Turner as much as they did in the 1:58:56.080 --> 1:58:58.200 fourth quarter of that game. Turner can still be an 1:58:58.320 --> 1:58:58.720 X factor. 1:58:58.840 --> 1:59:02.720 All right. That it for Patriots Catch twenty two. 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