Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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Speaker 3: quit because he was getting Yes, because he's getting wrap
Speaker 3: beat out of him. He would have quit, Yes, he
Speaker 3: would have no matter what, quit because he would have
Speaker 3: quit rap beat out of him. He didn't want to
Speaker 3: play football anymore because he was getting the crap beat
Speaker 3: out of him. I disagree with that. I think Andrew
Speaker 3: Luck just didn't want to play anymore because he was
Speaker 3: going out there every Sunday. I disagreed off. I think
Speaker 3: he just didn't want to play anymore. I'll tell you
Speaker 3: why he didn't want to play. He quit like ten
Speaker 3: years or he couldn't. He couldn't play.
Speaker 1: He was so hurt. He was not Yeah, this is
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Speaker 3: I love our listeners. But I feel like once I
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Speaker 1: You took something that is settled fact and you had
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Speaker 1: It was settled fact, and we're debating it like it
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Speaker 3: Sometimes some job sometimes, like you said, sometimes you have
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Speaker 3: That's all all right? Anyways, Evan Lazar, Alex Bars Patriots
Speaker 3: Catch twenty two.
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Speaker 3: Here for you today. We are going to talk about
Speaker 3: OTAs the first look at Patriots OTAs. Both Alex and
Speaker 3: I were out there on Monday to watch the Patriots practice.
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Speaker 3: here's where I want to start with Monday's practice. And
Speaker 3: on Tuesday, Alex, I gave you this take off the
Speaker 3: air and our show before the show, which is just
Speaker 3: our text back and forth about these things. And I
Speaker 3: told you that I wasn't thrilled about the reps and
Speaker 3: the efficiency of practice. I don't want to give that
Speaker 3: take again. I think you know, we can move off that.
Speaker 3: It was one practice. Let's see what next week. Will
Speaker 3: you give it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I did on Unfiltered
Speaker 3: on Tuesday. Basically, all I felt like was the big
Speaker 3: thing for me on Monday and throughout this entire spring
Speaker 3: program is what does a Gerrod Mayo practice look like?
Speaker 3: And I think in a lot of ways that is
Speaker 3: almost more important at this point of the year than
Speaker 3: what each individual player looks like, because we'll get to
Speaker 3: that like training camp, when the pads go on, is
Speaker 3: when we'll really get to start an analyzing individual player
Speaker 3: and position groups and all the stuff that we do
Speaker 3: on here. We'll get to that point. Right now, it's
Speaker 3: just interesting to me, and maybe this is a little
Speaker 3: inside baseball, but it's just interesting to me to evaluate
Speaker 3: somebody else's practice like I have only watched and take
Speaker 3: joint practices out of it because those don't really count.
Speaker 3: I've only watched a Bill Belichick ota at this point
Speaker 3: as a professional reporter, I've only ever watched a Bill
Speaker 3: Belichick ota and One of the things that I always
Speaker 3: thought was so fascinating about how Belichick ran a practice
Speaker 3: was how efficient practice was. There just wasn't a whole
Speaker 3: lot of standing around. Everybody had a job to do,
Speaker 3: everybody had a responsibility, Every minute was allocated for somehow
Speaker 3: they never had guys just standing around doing nothing, And
Speaker 3: this practice, I felt like, was a little bit different
Speaker 3: in that regard. But I understand. I got, you know,
Speaker 3: some people push back on me on Tuesday at PU
Speaker 3: to not overreact to one practice. They're probably right, Let's
Speaker 3: see what it looks like over the next couple weeks.
Speaker 3: But I think we both felt like this a little
Speaker 3: bit watching and I don't want to put words in
Speaker 3: your mouth, but just watching it and seeing Vederian Low
Speaker 3: get reps at left tackle over Caden Wallace and Bailey
Speaker 3: Zappy get reps at quarterback over Drake May and you
Speaker 3: can trickle that all the way down the entire lineup.
Speaker 3: I get that there's a rookies have to earn it.
Speaker 3: There's a seniority about it. But I think one thing
Speaker 3: that you hear so much about nowadays, with the rules
Speaker 3: and with the CBA and all this kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: you only have a finite amount of practice time and
Speaker 3: on field work in the NFL calendar that you aren't
Speaker 3: preparing for an opponent. Like once you get into the
Speaker 3: regular season and you have game weeks and you're practicing
Speaker 3: Wednesday through Friday and it's all game plan oriented, that's
Speaker 3: you're not going to be giving the third string tackle
Speaker 3: reps right when you're getting ready for the Cincinnati Bengals, Like,
Speaker 3: that's just not gonna happen. So this time of year
Speaker 3: is why a guy and I don't want to just
Speaker 3: harp on Drake May because I think that you know,
Speaker 3: it furthers the point. A guy like Caiden Wallace who
Speaker 3: is switching positions from right tackle to left tackle, needs
Speaker 3: every single rep that he can get, every single rep
Speaker 3: that he can get. And this time of year, especially
Speaker 3: at tackle and quarterback, when there's no contact and all
Speaker 3: you're doing is really going through the fundamentals of those reps,
Speaker 3: it's maybe even more important in my mind than when
Speaker 3: the bullets really start flying, because that if you're not
Speaker 3: ready for that by having a solid foundation in the spring,
Speaker 3: and then you get to the summer and the pads
Speaker 3: go on and now Matthew Judon's coming off the edge
Speaker 3: at you and you're Caden Wallace, It's gonna look ugly.
Speaker 3: So I think that that's the big takeaway that I
Speaker 3: had first of all, and then we can get into
Speaker 3: the individual players, but I just felt like we need
Speaker 3: to see a little bit more of the guys that
Speaker 3: you're a draft and developed team, right. The rookies are
Speaker 3: the are the future, they're the core, develop them, develop them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I mean, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I do think it's important to put the caveat on
Speaker 1: there that this is one practice, yes, and they've had
Speaker 1: what one or two more since I think they're practicing
Speaker 1: today behind closed doors, like we don't get to see everything.
Speaker 3: So maybe it was you know, day one.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna put the veterans out there, let
Speaker 1: the rookie see how an NFL practice is run.
Speaker 3: And maybe we go.
Speaker 1: Out there next week and it's a ton of Drake Man,
Speaker 1: it's a ton of Kaden Wallace. So you know, I'll
Speaker 1: I'll kind of hold off on that one practice. I
Speaker 1: don't I hope that's not indicative of the full plan,
Speaker 1: but I will give them for now the out of
Speaker 1: kind of and and Girod may have talked about this
Speaker 1: that the way they split reps, they may do it
Speaker 1: one way one day, in another way another day, and
Speaker 1: we're not there all the day.
Speaker 3: So it's tough to say, but I do hope Caden
Speaker 3: wall is changing positions Drake May.
Speaker 1: You're trying to get him ready, you're trying to develop him,
Speaker 1: and if he's not going to start the season, which
Speaker 1: I'm okay with, I think it's it's really hard. You
Speaker 1: now have to do two things at once. You have
Speaker 1: to get Jacoby Brissett ready to start the season, and
Speaker 1: you have to get going on Drake May's development. So
Speaker 1: to also throw Bailey z Appy in there, who you know,
Speaker 1: some reports have indicated he's probably not a part of
Speaker 1: the long term plans. What does that accomplish? And I've
Speaker 1: seen people say, well, you know, if Jacoby Versett gets hurt,
Speaker 1: you don't want to go to Drake May.
Speaker 3: You gotta have the next guy up.
Speaker 1: That that should be the third most important thing, right
Speaker 1: that that shouldn't be more important than mayed it because
Speaker 1: ideally that just means.
Speaker 3: You want to get May ready even quicker. So it
Speaker 3: was one practice.
Speaker 1: I do think that distribution was notable if it stays
Speaker 1: that way. The other thing, I'll say, I think you're
Speaker 1: the one who pointed this out to me, and we
Speaker 1: were out there. We've seen in the past under Belichick,
Speaker 1: and I don't think this is just a building like
Speaker 1: I think a lot of teams do this. Those practice
Speaker 1: fields out back. If you've ever been in training camp,
Speaker 1: you know it's two fields.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have two fields.
Speaker 1: And right now you have ninety players on the roster,
Speaker 1: you have like a full you know, full two teams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could have multiple groups repping at once. And they
Speaker 1: only did that very briefly on Monday. Yeah, for the
Speaker 1: most part, it was one offensive unit, one defensive unit.
Speaker 1: And I'll say this credit to the rookie quarterbacks when
Speaker 1: when Bailey Zappi was out there running the offense, Drake
Speaker 1: May you could see him talking to Alex van Pelt,
Speaker 1: talking to Jacobe Burssett about what was going on. And
Speaker 1: there were a couple of times where I saw Joe Milton,
Speaker 1: you know, he's standing behind Baby zapp Jacoby Brissette. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's like actually miming through you know, the snap
Speaker 1: to drop back all that what he would do. So
Speaker 1: Bill used to harp on that a lot, like, even
Speaker 1: if you're not in the play, the mental reps right,
Speaker 1: stay ready, be ready. So it's good to see those
Speaker 1: guys doing that. But you could have, and this is
Speaker 1: what they did very late in practice. You could have
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett and Drake May on one field, in Bailey
Speaker 1: Zappie and Joe Milton on the other with the backups
Speaker 1: and that way, it's just there's more reps. It's more
Speaker 1: reps available. So again maybe it's the first practice. They
Speaker 1: just wanted to get their you know, their feed under them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's something I would like to see them at.
Speaker 1: If they're not going to change the order, at least
Speaker 1: multiple you know, get get multiple units out there and
Speaker 1: double the reps you have available.
Speaker 3: That's that's a great point. And I just think that
Speaker 3: I don't want people to get bogged down by order.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not really all that worried about the order
Speaker 3: of things. What I'm more worried about is we talked
Speaker 3: to Bill O'Brien a little bit about this last year
Speaker 3: when there was some indecisiveness about the quarterbacks. It's really
Speaker 3: hard to get more than two quarterbacks ready to play, right,
Speaker 3: And so if you're giving the Lion's share of the
Speaker 3: reps Jacoby Brisset because he's your starter for the beginning
Speaker 3: of the year, which is fair fine, then someone is
Speaker 3: losing reps If Bailey Zappi's in the mix here and
Speaker 3: right now it's Drake May and it shouldn't be Drake May.
Speaker 3: I don't care about Joe Millen. I know, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I just don't you know how many reps he gets
Speaker 3: he gets, you know, and I hope that he develops
Speaker 3: into a player for him, Well, it's not I don't
Speaker 3: care about volume for Joe Milton.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say about Joe Milton. I do think
Speaker 1: they should keep three quarterbacks. Yeah, and he's the most
Speaker 1: likely third. They're gonna keep three, right, I don't think
Speaker 1: Zappy's gonna be one of them. So are you keeping
Speaker 1: Joe Milton or do you have to go out and
Speaker 1: find this year's Nathan Rourke, Will Greer whoever. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying the first day of OTAs was going to decide that.
Speaker 1: But I'm hoping that some chance, and maybe this is
Speaker 1: what the preseason games are for, but I'm hoping that
Speaker 1: it's some chance we get to see whether or not
Speaker 1: Joe Milton can be that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. I just look at it and say
Speaker 3: they have too many quarterbacks. Yeah, and Mayo said that
Speaker 3: they have too many quarterbacks. I think they're aware of it.
Speaker 3: You know, Albert reported it, and he had talked to
Speaker 3: Gerrod for the story, so you know it's probably coming
Speaker 3: from from some solid intel. They have too many quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: It's really hard to run practice with four quarterbacks and
Speaker 3: have everybody have if you're trying to get everybody equal opportunity,
Speaker 3: which is sort of what it felt like. Yeah, besides
Speaker 3: Jacoby who kind of dominated the reps, but for the
Speaker 3: next three Zappi, Drake, made Joe, Milton, it felt like
Speaker 3: they were trying to get them equal opportunity. You're not
Speaker 3: really getting any of them true working at that.
Speaker 1: Point, unless I'm not necessarily saying I believe this, but
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking out loud here. I mean, they've harped competition, competition, competition.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a part of them that's that
Speaker 1: Zappi's actually competing with Persett for the starting job.
Speaker 3: I thought of that, and I think there's a chance,
Speaker 3: because I do think if all things were equal, that
Speaker 3: if we were just going based off of results that
Speaker 3: Zappi could push Jacoby Brissett. Yeah, but Jacoby Brissett's value,
Speaker 3: his experience, his mentorship, Like that's such a big part
Speaker 3: of the equation right now for the Patriots. If you
Speaker 3: just told me in a vacuum, do I think that
Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett and Bailey Zapi could be an a legit
Speaker 3: quarterback competition, I would say yes. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: it's that's not the situation, you know, there's more context
Speaker 3: of the situation.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's why I would hope that's not the case.
Speaker 1: But I wonder if they look at it and they say,
Speaker 1: Jacoby's here, he's going to be a resource one way
Speaker 1: or the other.
Speaker 3: We're gonna let Zappi compete.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And again that's I I would just just get
Speaker 1: your starter ready because if that's the case, find out early,
Speaker 1: find out early so you can even if Zappy does
Speaker 1: beat him out. Now it's Brisett or Zapi is one
Speaker 1: guy and Drake May is the other. Because those two
Speaker 1: guys the starter, which should be Jacoby Brissett, but the
Speaker 1: starter and Drake May need to be the two getting
Speaker 1: the majority, the majority, the majority of the reps.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that, all right. The other thing
Speaker 3: that I wanted to hit on off the top, and
Speaker 3: then we can open up the phone lines and emails too.
Speaker 3: I think that there's and I'm saying this, I'm not
Speaker 3: singling anybody out, you know, he said at the top
Speaker 3: of the show. Everybody gets mad at me, right, I'm
Speaker 3: not singling anybody. I'm saying it for myself to I
Speaker 3: think that we have to be careful with Drake May's,
Speaker 3: our assessment of Drake May. And I think what I'm
Speaker 3: hearing a lot of is, first of all, even for
Speaker 3: even somebody like me, that that is as nerdy about
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff as anybody. None of us are
Speaker 3: our quarterback experts in terms of mechanics and footwork, like
Speaker 3: none of us coach quarterbacks. Okay, So to get into
Speaker 3: the details of how his footwork looks and how his
Speaker 3: mechanics look and he's tapping the ball and his shoulders
Speaker 3: are shrugging and all like, all this kind of other
Speaker 3: stuff I think is doing him a big disservice. He's
Speaker 3: a young player, he's raw. We knew that coming in,
Speaker 3: and it's his first true NFL practice. Rickie Mediamp doesn't count, right,
Speaker 3: it's his first true NFL practice, So I just hope
Speaker 3: that we are careful with how we assess things with
Speaker 3: Drake may moving forward from mechanical perspective, because already based
Speaker 3: off of really two practices if you want to count
Speaker 3: rookie Minicamp, but Monday as well with OTAs, I'm hearing
Speaker 3: a lot of what's the word just criticism, nitpicking of
Speaker 3: you know, oh, he's got this this hitch in his throat,
Speaker 3: and he's got this tick now at the tapping of
Speaker 3: the ball, and he's got you know, all these different
Speaker 3: things that we're throwing out there. It's totally fair to
Speaker 3: be critical, it's totally fair to tell you what your
Speaker 3: eyes see. But on this show, what I think is
Speaker 3: most important at all this is I want to kind
Speaker 3: of break down the things into two categories of what
Speaker 3: I think are legitimate things that he needs to work on,
Speaker 3: not concerns, but things that he needs to work on mechanically,
Speaker 3: and things that I think that are either missing the
Speaker 3: point or kind of getting a little bit overblown. I
Speaker 3: guess about his mechanics. So I have a couple of
Speaker 3: different things that I've heard and a couple of different
Speaker 3: things that I've seen as well that I want to
Speaker 3: put in those two buckets. You know what, what's a
Speaker 3: legitimate thing that I'm worried about, not worried, but a
Speaker 3: legitimate thing that he needs to work on. And what's
Speaker 3: the things that are getting a little bit out of control?
Speaker 3: And I think the just starting with the the out
Speaker 3: of control, because I think that's the easiest way to start.
Speaker 3: The tapping of the football is a non issue. It's
Speaker 3: a non issue now if he's as an old football,
Speaker 3: if he's burping the baby, that's different. Right. What he's
Speaker 3: doing is he's he's he's tapping the football because it's
Speaker 3: a mechanical cueue, right, it's a rhythm thing. And what
Speaker 3: he's trying to do is you want your your hips
Speaker 3: to fire first, So you want to keep your upper
Speaker 3: body closed to the target and you want your hips
Speaker 3: to fire for first because then it creates like a coil,
Speaker 3: right where you're like working on the axis of your
Speaker 3: body to kind of snap and create that that torque
Speaker 3: to to drive the football. Like when we see Dak
Speaker 3: Prescott warming up and he's doing the hip thing and
Speaker 3: everybody's making fun of him for it. That's what he's trying.
Speaker 3: That's the motion that he's trying to warm up or
Speaker 3: get loose, trying to do. So, when you tap the
Speaker 3: ball like a lot of quarterbacks do, and I'll get
Speaker 3: to that in a second, when you tap the ball,
Speaker 3: what you're doing is you're giving yourself a rhythmic queue
Speaker 3: of fire the hips right, start, start the motion right.
Speaker 3: While what it also does is it keeps your front,
Speaker 3: you know, your your top of your body closed. So
Speaker 3: when I say you know close, you want your shoulders
Speaker 3: like this, and your shoulders are going to fly open
Speaker 3: like that, you want them to stay closed until your
Speaker 3: hips fire. If you're if you're opening before your hips fire,
Speaker 3: then the whole mechanical chain is broken and you're not
Speaker 3: getting any lower bod right. And now all you're throwing
Speaker 3: with is your arm, which is what you want to avoid.
Speaker 3: So the tapping of the football is something that old
Speaker 3: quarterback cliche, like old quarterback teachings from thirty years ago
Speaker 3: would tell you that that's that's a bad habit. The
Speaker 3: main reason why is because it might slow down your
Speaker 3: release by like a tick of a second, and it
Speaker 3: gives the defense a queue that you're about to throw
Speaker 3: the ball right, that was what people used to say.
Speaker 3: Then as time progressed, somebody named Tom Brady started tapping
Speaker 3: the ball. And I don't think anybody's jumping tom Brady's
Speaker 3: throws because he's tapping the football. Right didn't really seem
Speaker 3: to be an issue for him. So tom Brady started
Speaker 3: tapping the ball. Aaron Rodgers taps the ball. Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 3: taps the ball. Matthew Stafford taps the ball. These are
Speaker 3: just some guys recent that I can off the top
Speaker 3: of my head that I know do this. And I
Speaker 3: actually think that it could be a good thing for
Speaker 3: Drake May because we are, you know, the Patriots are
Speaker 3: trying to tie his mechanical chain together and keep him sound.
Speaker 3: And if it takes that little queue to make him
Speaker 3: do it, to help him do it, then I actually
Speaker 3: think it's a good thing. Now, it has to be efficient,
Speaker 3: it has to be quick, and it has to be
Speaker 3: part of the overall motion. You don't want him going
Speaker 3: out of his way to bring the football to his
Speaker 3: offhand and tap the ball. The other guy, you know,
Speaker 3: just really quickly. I thought it was funny that was
Speaker 3: tapping the ball is Caleb. Yeah, So Caleb was tapping
Speaker 3: the ball and Bears practice. I didn't hear anybody being like,
Speaker 3: he's burping the baby.
Speaker 1: The other thing is you mentioned this being efficient too sometimes.
Speaker 1: I know, like with Brady, if it's a play where
Speaker 1: you really have to get the ball out, yeah, he
Speaker 1: just wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3: Like there were certain things. It's like a quick game
Speaker 3: or screen you know, receiver, perimeter screen. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: The other thing is there's a difference I think what
Speaker 1: people are maybe mistaking it. And you touched on this
Speaker 1: a little bit. What's called burping the baby right, yeah.
Speaker 1: So there's tapping the ball, which is tap and throw
Speaker 1: right yeah. And then if you can if you're just listening,
Speaker 1: I'm doing this with the water bottle you here, like
Speaker 1: shaking around. Burping the baby is different. That's where you're
Speaker 1: in the pocket right and you're waiting to throw and
Speaker 1: you're tapping the ball. So that's that's bad. You don't
Speaker 1: want to do that. And the big reason I think
Speaker 1: there's a couple of reasons, but like the big reason
Speaker 1: is if you don't have two hands on the football,
Speaker 1: you know you're you're tap it and a pass rusher
Speaker 1: comes around and boom knocks it out.
Speaker 3: It's ball security, right, But to me, that is holding.
Speaker 3: The problem with Drew is that he used to hold
Speaker 3: the ball forever like It's not no, it's not even that.
Speaker 3: It's because this was something with Rogers out of college. Actually,
Speaker 3: I remember this when he first came in the draft.
Speaker 3: The two things were he held the ball high and
Speaker 3: he would pat it, and it just it makes it
Speaker 3: a very easy target for pass rushers to get their
Speaker 3: hands on in the pocket. You don't want to be
Speaker 3: tapping the ball in the pocket. You want two hands
Speaker 3: on the football.
Speaker 1: But if it's one quick before you throw, you know,
Speaker 1: if pass rusher gets there in that tenth of a second,
Speaker 1: all power to him. That's different than just sitting there
Speaker 1: and repeatingly tap and repeatedly tapping the ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just I think that some of these things,
Speaker 3: And hopefully we'll get a chance to talk to Drake
Speaker 3: Man Alex van Pelt soon about this because I'm curious,
Speaker 3: and even TC McCartney too, I'm curious if this is
Speaker 3: something that they're telling him to do versus I mean
Speaker 3: doing it on his own, or will he do it
Speaker 3: a little bit in college, Not that I saw as
Speaker 3: much as what they what he tried to do on Monday.
Speaker 3: If they're telling him to do this, then there's a rhyme,
Speaker 3: there's a method to the madness. If he's just all
Speaker 3: of a sudden ticking, then that's a different story. But
Speaker 3: I don't think that's what's going on. I think what's
Speaker 3: going on is that he is trying to que himself
Speaker 3: up or have a rhythm to his motion so that
Speaker 3: he's more mechanically sound through the motion. And that's exactly
Speaker 3: why Brady used to do it. It was a rhythmic cue
Speaker 3: for Brady, and Brady did it. And I know this
Speaker 3: is not a great example because I know you're gonna
Speaker 3: tell me he sucks. But I always remember there was
Speaker 3: a segment, I think it was one like a Monday
Speaker 3: night football broadcast or something like that, where they talked
Speaker 3: to Jimmy g about tapping the ball and he said
Speaker 3: that he always was told as a kid that was
Speaker 3: a bad habit, don't do it. And then he got
Speaker 3: to New England and Brady started tapping the ball and
Speaker 3: he was like, well, I feel more comfortable, more natural
Speaker 3: doing it, And this guy's tapping the ball and he's
Speaker 3: winning super Bowls ever the other year, so I now
Speaker 3: think that this is probably overrated in terms of it
Speaker 3: being a bad thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, it's are you if you're using it correctly,
Speaker 1: it's fine. If it's just that one tap and go,
Speaker 1: then there's actually a reason to it. It's when you
Speaker 1: get in the pocket and you're doing it without purpose
Speaker 1: that it becomes an issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So that that thing I put in the
Speaker 3: bucket of non issue. I actually think that it's purposeful
Speaker 3: that they're trying to do it with him. The one thing,
Speaker 3: the two things that I put in that I think
Speaker 3: really are things that I think need to be worked
Speaker 3: on for him. The number one thing is the load
Speaker 3: up to his throat, Like his release time and his
Speaker 3: load up is it needs to be more efficient.
Speaker 1: Well, he's never here's the one thing I will tell people.
Speaker 1: He's never going to have the quickest release time because
Speaker 1: he has.
Speaker 3: Really long arms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and those quarterbacks like it's just your arm's got
Speaker 1: to move, it's got to cover more distance. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: he's always gonna have a little bit longer of a release,
Speaker 1: but there are still ways he can cut it down.
Speaker 3: So he's got a little bit of a hitch with
Speaker 3: his shoulders. There's no doubt about that like when he
Speaker 3: comes and he starts to separate his hands and he
Speaker 3: comes out, his whole shoulders kind of just like go up,
Speaker 3: like his whole body goes up. And it's not a
Speaker 3: very it's not an efficient or like smooth motion. So
Speaker 3: that's going to have to be fixed because that those
Speaker 3: split seconds in the NFL do matter, right. That's that's
Speaker 3: the difference between a pass breakup and a completion in
Speaker 3: a lot of cases. Now, some big arm quarterbacks like
Speaker 3: Drake may get away with it because the ball is
Speaker 3: they have such velocity on the throw that they can
Speaker 3: make up for it with velocity. But I think that
Speaker 3: those types of things ideally he would not be doing.
Speaker 3: You know, the load up or the hitch that he
Speaker 3: has when he goes into his throw is noticeable.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Just to go back real quick to the tapping the ball,
Speaker 1: because you just reminded me of this, because I think
Speaker 1: this is the way some people see it when you
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, speeding up the release and cutting
Speaker 1: down on it. Yeah, the tap is not extending the release. No,
Speaker 1: Like you said, you're not throwing during that portion of
Speaker 1: the release anyway, because you got to get your hips
Speaker 1: going first, right, These are things that you're talking about
Speaker 1: now where.
Speaker 3: Talking about is actual.
Speaker 1: He's adding steps to the throw and it's making the
Speaker 1: throw take longer. So I think that's why some people
Speaker 1: are concerned about the tapping the ball. Honestly, to bring
Speaker 1: it all together is because they think it's an extra
Speaker 1: step he's adding. You're not doing anything with the ball
Speaker 1: in that point and release anyway, so it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: whereas this stuff with the shoulders, you could just be
Speaker 1: throwing the ball at that point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if so. Another thing, and I know
Speaker 3: I keep on bringing up Brady is not to compare
Speaker 3: the two of them like the career wise or anything
Speaker 3: like that, but Brady's the best mechanical thrower I've ever seen,
Speaker 3: so everything that he did had a purpose to it.
Speaker 3: With his mechanics, he at some point in his career
Speaker 3: changed having his front arm tucked in so he would
Speaker 3: bring the ball back and it would be very efficient. Right,
Speaker 3: Whereas with Drake May, when I see him bring the
Speaker 3: ball back, I see his front hand go up. It's
Speaker 3: like a baseball throw. Yeah, and that's why the motion
Speaker 3: is like extended and the shoulders go up like this.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So if you're able to maybe tuck in the hand
Speaker 3: the front arm a little bit like Brady used to do,
Speaker 3: and he used to put like a tennis ball or
Speaker 3: something like that to keep his front shoulder. He actually
Speaker 3: his left hand would usually end up like on his
Speaker 3: right shoulder. Yeah. Yeah, so that's what I see with
Speaker 3: the shoulder hitch. I think that is legitimate that that
Speaker 3: needs to be more efficient and cleaned up and be
Speaker 3: a little bit quicker, because you're right, he is going
Speaker 3: to have a little bit of a more of a looping,
Speaker 3: longer release naturally. I mean, Josh, yeah, so too. If
Speaker 3: you're just really efficient with your upper body though, and
Speaker 3: everything is kind of level and there's no hitch to it,
Speaker 3: then you he'll speed it up. That will speed it up,
Speaker 3: and then he has the velocity that it's not going
Speaker 3: to matter that he might be a little bit slower
Speaker 3: to the point, you know, to the release point than
Speaker 3: some other people.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: The other thing that I would say, and we talked
Speaker 3: about this a little bit during practice, uh that I
Speaker 3: noticed that I don't It depends on who you listen to,
Speaker 3: you know. Some quarterback coaches don't think it's a big deal.
Speaker 3: Some quarterback coaches think it's a big deal. I what
Speaker 3: I see with Drake May a lot of the time
Speaker 3: is that he'll tilt his shoulder backwards, so his front
Speaker 3: shoulder is going to be up, like you know, backwards,
Speaker 3: and his his lower shoulder, his back shoulder is going
Speaker 3: to be lower, and you're you're tilting like on an
Speaker 3: axis backwards, right. And when what happens with that when
Speaker 3: you do that shoulder tilt is that it puts an
Speaker 3: upward trajectory on the football. So the ball is just
Speaker 3: naturally going to have more air under it because of
Speaker 3: the way that you're throwing. Now, Paul brought up on
Speaker 3: Tuesday's PU and I was talking about this that Drew
Speaker 3: Brees used to do this. Yeah, but Drew Brees used
Speaker 3: to do it because he was six feet tall.
Speaker 1: But like, so you said, you don't remember Brady doing it.
Speaker 1: I remember Brady. It was on the deep balls. But
Speaker 1: I remember Brady doing this from time to time.
Speaker 3: If he was loading up, like to throw like a
Speaker 3: sixty five seventy yard bomb to Randy Moss. I'm sure
Speaker 3: he did it. But when what you really are don't
Speaker 3: want to see him do is do it on throws
Speaker 3: that you don't need him to do that because you
Speaker 3: want him to just drive the ball parallel. So I
Speaker 3: feel like that will come.
Speaker 1: Eliminating the shoulders will come with like you said, flying
Speaker 1: that front arm out, Yeah, because if you're flying your
Speaker 1: front arm out, the motion is kind of carrying you
Speaker 1: that way. If you keep the left arm tucked in,
Speaker 1: there isn't a ton of reason to lean back.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just feel like he has such a good
Speaker 3: arm that I don't think he needs the tilt right, So,
Speaker 3: like he should be able to keep his shoulders even
Speaker 3: and just drive the ball because if.
Speaker 1: You're flying your left arm out, it's naturally gonna push
Speaker 1: you back a little bit, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So maybe, like I'm saying, could the two be related.
Speaker 3: It could be. I just noticed it on Monday, in particular,
Speaker 3: when he would try to throw the ball down the
Speaker 3: field a little bit more on some of the deeper throws,
Speaker 3: that he was tilting back a lot, And I just
Speaker 3: I don't think the biggest thing is is I don't
Speaker 3: think he needs to do it, because I think he's
Speaker 3: got enough arm strength to just do it without it.
Speaker 3: And he's not gonna He's tall, so he's not gonna
Speaker 3: have to worry about bat passes to the line of
Speaker 3: scrimmage and things like that. The reason why Drew Brees
Speaker 3: used to do it was to get it over the
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. Yeah, that's why he would do it.
Speaker 3: Drake May is not going to have that problem. Shouldn't
Speaker 3: At six foot four and a half, like he's gonna
Speaker 3: be able to just throw the ball. So I would
Speaker 3: put those two things in the category of needs to
Speaker 3: be worked on. And I think the biggest thing that
Speaker 3: I came away from this just to wrap this whole
Speaker 3: thing up and put a bow on it, is that
Speaker 3: I come away from these two exposures to Drake May,
Speaker 3: you know, rookie Mini Camp and Monday, I'm less concerned
Speaker 3: now about the footwork and more kind of concerned about
Speaker 3: the his throwing footwork. Looks like they've made like significant Yeah,
Speaker 3: the footwork looks a lot better. I think maybe in
Speaker 3: the draft evaluation, I because I wasn't watching it up
Speaker 3: close and I was just watching it on film, I
Speaker 3: don't know if I necessarily noticed how much the motion
Speaker 3: itself needs to be in I'll say this too.
Speaker 1: This might be a minor thing, but I noticed it
Speaker 1: about both rookie quarterbacks strong cadence. Those guys come to line,
Speaker 1: they get it out. Yeah, and that may sound like yeah, no, dull,
Speaker 1: like they're playing quarterback. You'd be surprised how many young quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: especially with all these college teams now where they go
Speaker 1: silent count and I guess they'll get rid of this now.
Speaker 1: But like the plays on the cards, everybody kind of
Speaker 1: knows what's going on, and you've got the clap, the clap,
Speaker 1: cadence and all that. Yeah, you know, I've heard of
Speaker 1: examples where they have to really drill any kids when
Speaker 1: they get into the league, like what goes into calling
Speaker 1: out of cadence. Both these guys May Milton, they're they're
Speaker 1: they're barking it out. They're out there, they're giving a
Speaker 1: strong cadence. H you know, every you can hear it
Speaker 1: all the way on the other end of the field.
Speaker 1: It's with purpose, it's with confidence. Don't sleep on that.
Speaker 1: That's a good sign this early.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of West Coast coaches are really
Speaker 3: big on cadence. Yeah. Also having you know, Dak Prescott's okay,
Speaker 3: here we go, right, everybody makes fun of it, but
Speaker 3: there's a lot of you know, West Coast coaches, which
Speaker 3: is what Mike McCarthy is and comes from this tree
Speaker 3: with Van Pelton everybody. They're really big on cadence. And
Speaker 3: my guess is that a lot of the quarterbacks behind
Speaker 3: the scenes, like Jacoby Brissett Drake may are probably trying
Speaker 3: to have similar cues and cadences so that it's all
Speaker 3: the same no matter who's under center. So that's a
Speaker 3: very very big thing I think for a lot of
Speaker 3: West Coast coaches.
Speaker 1: Well, I would just throw into the McCarthy angle. Who
Speaker 1: worked with Rogers. We know Rogers uses the cadence as
Speaker 1: a weapon. Yeah, in terms of getting guys to jump
Speaker 1: off side, because you know with Dak, it was the
Speaker 1: it's the okay, here we go. Aaron Rodgers, I don't
Speaker 1: remember what it is, but he has his own one,
Speaker 1: and so like defensive players used to tee off on it,
Speaker 1: like okay, with Snap's coming, so he used to write
Speaker 1: you dummy snacks.
Speaker 3: Well, so so Dak has said this, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: When he says that, basically, what that means is because
Speaker 1: there's other people the lines communicating, the receivers might be
Speaker 1: talking okay, here we go. When Dak says that it's
Speaker 1: everybody else on the field from here.
Speaker 3: I'm talking. Now, you're done with your adjustments. It's on me.
Speaker 1: Except there is I think, a dummy call before it
Speaker 1: where he can say okay, here we go and essentially
Speaker 1: fake the snap. Rogers has a similar thing too, and
Speaker 1: so wouldn't surprise me if they're coaching Drake may On like,
Speaker 1: because that's the thing. Some quarterbacks are lazy with the cadence.
Speaker 1: They go up and they're all right, yahy twenty two
Speaker 1: and so and then they call Hyke. But it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, the hut or whatever it is, sounds different
Speaker 1: than everything else, whereas with a guy like Rogers, with
Speaker 1: a guy like Dak, it all.
Speaker 3: Sounds the same.
Speaker 1: It's all said with the same volume, with the same energy,
Speaker 1: and it makes it that much tougher for the defense
Speaker 1: line up. I know this sounds super super minor. This
Speaker 1: is as in the weeds as we get. But this
Speaker 1: stuff can matter, and you know, it's good to see
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks understanding that. I think with Milton Date, they
Speaker 1: use the cadence in certain ways of Tennessee. It's probably
Speaker 1: a little less of an adjustment for him. But again
Speaker 1: for both these guys, come out strong, cadence. You hear
Speaker 1: some things where guys don't always come out of college
Speaker 1: understanding the importance of that part of the game. And
Speaker 1: it feels like with May and Milton they've drilled it
Speaker 1: in easy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all this fundamental stuff is why people This
Speaker 3: is why I harp on the reps, right, because all
Speaker 3: these fundament This is the time of year to be
Speaker 3: working on these fundamental things. This is the time of
Speaker 3: year to start tweaking a little. And you know, you know,
Speaker 3: I said that we have to be careful of how
Speaker 3: we assess Drake May, and I also say that the
Speaker 3: Patriots have to be careful with how much they try
Speaker 3: to tweak. You have to pick, and this is why
Speaker 3: I wanted to put things in buckets, you know, like
Speaker 3: what's important what's not. And I'm just giving you my opinion.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that they have a laundry list of things
Speaker 3: that they feel like need to be fixed, and I'm
Speaker 3: you know, missing a bunch of them. But you have
Speaker 3: to pick, like a handful. You can't try to completely
Speaker 3: change everything that the kid does, right, you have to
Speaker 3: try it, because then he's going to become robotic and
Speaker 3: he's not going to be himself and he's going to
Speaker 3: feel off and it's not gonna work. So you have
Speaker 3: to pick a few things to try to harp on
Speaker 3: on what he could really fix and what he you know,
Speaker 3: what we should really not be so concerned about. And
Speaker 3: I think that's important as well, so that strike may
Speaker 3: before we open up the phone lines and everything. I
Speaker 3: do also want to talk about the offensive line here briefly. Obviously,
Speaker 3: we got the news from Drod Mayo before practice that
Speaker 3: Cole Strange is month to month, and I and Rapaport
Speaker 3: added to that that there's some doubt about cold Strange's
Speaker 3: availability to start the year the regular season in September.
Speaker 3: So this is a big topic of both the whole
Speaker 3: cold Strange experience since a minute they drafted him and
Speaker 3: Sean McVay and let's need we're up there laughing at
Speaker 3: them drafting him on draft night in twenty twenty teens.
Speaker 3: Round yeah, today, where there's a conversation about just the
Speaker 3: pick itself, Cole Strange's future, but also you know, obviously
Speaker 3: what the team is going to look like without him
Speaker 3: comes September. I think the biggest thing is and I
Speaker 3: understand that you can't hold this against Elliott Wolf necessarily
Speaker 3: because he wasn't the one making the final calls in
Speaker 3: all these situations. And it's not about holding it against anybody,
Speaker 3: but the Cold Strange pick has had such a giant
Speaker 3: domino effect on a lot of their decision making when
Speaker 3: it comes to the draft over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: And to be fair, most first round picks, one way
Speaker 1: or another do have a ton of domino effects.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: It can be good, some can be bad. It's not
Speaker 3: necessarily that they that Blaydon Robinson is like a bad
Speaker 3: player or a bad prospect or a bad pick in
Speaker 3: the fourth round. But these assets, it's about the assets, right,
Speaker 3: It's who.
Speaker 1: Could they have been taking if they weren't chasing their
Speaker 1: tail at card Yeah? Really, I mean, honestly, if you
Speaker 1: really want to go back, it goes back to trading
Speaker 1: Shack Mason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, well, the domino effect of Joe Toney,
Speaker 3: Shack Mason, Ted Karris creating all of this void. But
Speaker 3: by not retaining those players or trading away one of
Speaker 3: those pla and Jack Mason's case opened the door to
Speaker 3: have to draft Cole Strange. We all knew at the
Speaker 3: time Cole Strange was a reach and was a risky
Speaker 3: pick at the time, and it's turned out that for
Speaker 3: once in a blue moon, sometimes the media is right.
Speaker 3: The media was right about this one, and that's gonna
Speaker 3: be the one that people off the Yeah, and it's
Speaker 3: it's not about blaming Elliott Wolf or this regime for
Speaker 3: the Cole Strange pick in twenty twenty two, although they
Speaker 3: were here. But it's not about blaming them for it.
Speaker 3: It's just in revision is history, the domino effect of
Speaker 3: like we said that the asset allocation, they've been chasing
Speaker 3: their tail is a great way to put it. They've
Speaker 3: been chasing their tail at Guard ever since because he
Speaker 3: didn't fix the problem. So with that all being said,
Speaker 3: what is Cole Strange's future on the Patriots, I think
Speaker 3: is a really interesting question because can't make the club
Speaker 3: from the tub, right, and even when he's been out there,
Speaker 3: he's had some ups and downs. He was I think
Speaker 3: he was starting to play a little bit better, yeah,
Speaker 3: towards the end of the year last year before he
Speaker 3: got hurt. But in general, I think that one of
Speaker 3: the other things about Cold Strange that bugs me is
Speaker 3: people that try to act like Cold Strange is good
Speaker 3: when he's healthy. Cold Strange has been a inconsistent player
Speaker 3: even when healthy. You know, some good, some bad, streaky,
Speaker 3: I would say, you know, has some good film a
Speaker 3: couple games in a row, and then we'll have a stinker.
Speaker 3: You know that sort of thing. So I'm still not
Speaker 3: sold even on a healthy Cold Strange being in a
Speaker 3: starting guard in the league.
Speaker 1: Well, here's what makes it so tough for me is
Speaker 1: we talked last year about how when he struggled early,
Speaker 1: how important the summer would have been for him and
Speaker 1: how important training camp would have been for him, and
Speaker 1: he lost that development window and it felt like he
Speaker 1: was chasing until you got halfway into the year and
Speaker 1: suddenly started playing a little better before he got hurt.
Speaker 1: He's gonna miss this summer too. She's now gonna miss
Speaker 1: this summer, another development window. And now next year he's
Speaker 1: gonna be going into the final year contract at age
Speaker 1: twenty seven, essentially having missed two full spring training camps,
Speaker 1: which stunts a player's growth.
Speaker 3: It does, It just does. That's what happens. He's undersized,
Speaker 3: so you worry about his durability from that point. It's just.
Speaker 1: Missing missing two training Camps is so much bigger than
Speaker 1: I think people realize, especially for a player like that.
Speaker 1: And if you know, there's a real chance that I
Speaker 1: think we both think City Show.
Speaker 3: Is a solid player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say Laden Robinson wins the other spot or
Speaker 1: at some point takes it over from Nick LeVert or
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. I have to like double check myself every
Speaker 1: time I say it. What are the chances of city
Speaker 1: So in Lane Robinson proved? They're both starting caliber cards.
Speaker 3: Both. Yeah, the odds are not in their favor. You
Speaker 3: don't think so that both of them are starting calib
Speaker 3: starting I'm not saying all pro but like you feel
Speaker 3: good about him, I think we just just by the
Speaker 3: sheer math of it, like they're all right.
Speaker 1: Let me put it this way between City So, Leighton Robinson,
Speaker 1: Nick Leverett. Yeah, what are the chances that they have
Speaker 1: throw anybody else you want in there? At Tonio Maffi?
Speaker 1: What are the chances that they have two guys that
Speaker 1: we look at it, We get to like October and
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, all right, they're they're good at guard.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: I love I love is a strong word. I like
Speaker 3: City So. I think City So is gonna make it.
Speaker 3: I think he'll be good. I watched them a Leverett
Speaker 3: in Tampa when they signed him in a little bit.
Speaker 3: I actually watched a little bit more yesterday because of
Speaker 3: all this news that's going on with Cold Strange. His
Speaker 3: Tampa film is rough, Okay, I think the biggest thing
Speaker 3: that you see with his Tampa film is a lateral
Speaker 3: movement skill, Like he's not. He's not very high level
Speaker 3: pass protector because of his lateral movement and he's got
Speaker 3: shorter arms, so he's got some trouble with guys getting
Speaker 3: into him quickly as well. He's good run blocker. I
Speaker 3: think I wouldn't call him a great run blocker, but
Speaker 3: he's he's solid as a run blocker. He definitely has
Speaker 3: the play strength to be a decent run blocker. Tampa
Speaker 3: pulled him a lot like they they got him on
Speaker 3: the move a little bit in the run game, and
Speaker 3: he's got some of that ability certainly, But the pass
Speaker 3: Pro film was pretty rough. I think that he's a
Speaker 3: he's a third, you know, swing stuard, the backup type
Speaker 3: of player.
Speaker 1: So then maybe Cole Strange comes back and his job's
Speaker 1: waiting for him. But yeah, if not, I hope Lane
Speaker 1: Robinson ends up a starter. They took him with one
Speaker 1: hundred third overall pick. That's high for guard. Like, there's
Speaker 1: a chance that they have two starting guards and they
Speaker 1: just don't need col Strange. If not, then they're gonna
Speaker 1: keep him around because he has been you know, serviceable
Speaker 1: when he plays, and maybe he actually gets into camp
Speaker 1: next year bulks up a little bit, gets that development.
Speaker 1: But I just his his his development's still stunted right
Speaker 1: now from all the time he's missed. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: it's tough to come back from that.
Speaker 3: So last week I told everybody that I wasn't that
Speaker 3: concerned about the offensive line. Yet this makes me more
Speaker 3: concerned because now you're talking about two spots. Basically you're
Speaker 3: talking about the whole left stone and really three what's
Speaker 3: the third one? The other guard? Well, I think City
Speaker 3: is gonna be okay there, all right, Well, I feel
Speaker 3: good about David Andrews City and On being starting caliber
Speaker 3: lineman for them, so whatever the configuration is, but I
Speaker 3: feel good about those three. If I I on almost wonder,
Speaker 3: and I think they did this on Monday, right, I
Speaker 3: almost wonder if it's better to play City at left
Speaker 3: guard and put Leverett in between Andrews and on. So
Speaker 3: that's that's what they did. That's what they should do, right,
Speaker 3: because you're kind of spacing out. If your whole left
Speaker 3: side's a turnstile, then then that's a big, big problem.
Speaker 3: And here's what worries me.
Speaker 1: So you're your whole take last week because you believe
Speaker 1: in Scott Peters and that's why you felt good about it.
Speaker 3: And I'm not not and you know I'm a big believer.
Speaker 3: And if it's one spot, yeah, you can cover one spot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But I look at it. You have.
Speaker 1: At left tackle, you're either going to have a converted
Speaker 1: right tackle, whether it's it's gonna be Dukes or Wallace,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be or you're gonna have well, but just
Speaker 1: the guys they put out there right, you have you
Speaker 1: have ocor four and Wallace who are converted right tackles,
Speaker 1: or ve Darian Lowe who is a left tackle but
Speaker 1: is a project player in his own reguard. You are
Speaker 1: going to have a left guard who is moving from
Speaker 1: playing right guard last year and he played left guard
Speaker 1: in college. But the point it's like new position to
Speaker 1: assignments your center's David Andrews you're fine there.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have a.
Speaker 1: Right guard that is probably a rookie or a second
Speaker 1: year player who didn't play a ton last year, like
Speaker 1: a project player there, or a career backup right. And
Speaker 1: then your right tackle who is a good player. This
Speaker 1: is his first offseason working exclusively at right tackles, so
Speaker 1: there's a different sort of training there. So if you
Speaker 1: look at it, there's development needed, like true hands on
Speaker 1: development needed at four of the five spots.
Speaker 3: Or starting to play Jenga here.
Speaker 1: That's they are asking a ton of Scott Peters in
Speaker 1: this offensive line coaching staff, and they actually have a
Speaker 1: bunch of offensive line coaches, which maybe is part of the
Speaker 1: reason their comfortable. Don't they have a third two I'm
Speaker 1: trying to pull it up here. No, they said Michael McCarthy,
Speaker 1: the guy they signed for Brown, who's like he's listed
Speaker 1: as an offensive assistant. He's been a line coach career,
Speaker 1: So they have they have a lot of guys there.
Speaker 1: But you're at we'll see and maybe they're I'm not
Speaker 1: saying they're not up for it. I'm not even saying
Speaker 1: they're not good coaches, but they're asking that that offensive
Speaker 1: coaching specifically offensive line coaches to do a.
Speaker 3: Lot that we're starting to get into the territory nowhere
Speaker 3: where my my I was at like a three last week.
Speaker 3: Now when you start to really break it down, and
Speaker 3: I don't think that even though it's it's super super
Speaker 3: early for him in this transition, I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 3: feel a whole lot of confidence coming from Choose the
Speaker 3: Corra for post practice on Monday either about him playing
Speaker 3: left tackle. He seemed like, Yep, this is gonna be
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a test, like this is gonna be
Speaker 3: a He didn't sound super confident. No, So I feel
Speaker 3: like we're starting to teeter a little bit, even for
Speaker 3: me now, like I'm I'm up to probably like a
Speaker 3: six or a seven on the concern scale. Like this
Speaker 3: like doubled my level of concern. Not because of how high.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've been clear that I'm not as super
Speaker 3: high on col Strange as a player, But it's just
Speaker 3: like you said, we're moving pieces around now, you have
Speaker 3: younger players playing that don't have a ton of experience.
Speaker 3: You're just starting to really shuffle the deck a lot,
Speaker 3: which is I think the bigger concern. I will continue
Speaker 3: to pound the table, continue to pound the table for
Speaker 3: Mike On when new playing guard. That doesn't help you, Yes,
Speaker 3: it does because it puts people in natural positions. And
Speaker 3: then who's your right tackle? Wallace? All right? Yeah, but
Speaker 3: now the line is a whole left to right, Chukes, City,
Speaker 3: Andrews On Wallace, everybody is playing their natural spots. City
Speaker 3: was a left guard in college. I know he's got
Speaker 3: to learn at this level and played right guard last year,
Speaker 3: but he was a left guard in college. I think
Speaker 3: that's really where he feels more natural. Anyways, and I
Speaker 3: keep saying it. You developed that line and the next year,
Speaker 3: at the top of the draft, you draft Will Campbell
Speaker 3: or Kelvin Banks junior, and he's your left tackle. I
Speaker 3: just wish they drafted a left tackle. Yeah, I would
Speaker 3: have obviously would have expedited things. But once you get
Speaker 3: into the third round at sixty eight, when you really
Speaker 3: start to think about it, if you have a much
Speaker 3: higher grade on Caden Wallace, then you should have taken
Speaker 3: Kaden Wallas. They should trade it up. They should have
Speaker 3: Patrick Paul goes fifty five. There's a run coming. That's fair,
Speaker 3: that's fair that it's a totally fair second guess of
Speaker 3: how they handled it. Yeah, I just think.
Speaker 1: That, like, k don't get this, Kane Wallace was the
Speaker 1: best offensive lineman on the board at sixty eight.
Speaker 3: I just don't love that they picked at sixty eight. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just feel like at this point you have to
Speaker 3: almost cut your losses and just make the best out
Speaker 3: of the situation. I think the way to make the
Speaker 3: best out of the situation is to at least go
Speaker 3: into the season with everybody playing a position they feel
Speaker 3: comfortable with playing. And I also have been pretty surprised
Speaker 3: that Annu doesn't look slimmed down or lighter or any
Speaker 3: sort of like preparation for him to play. He looks
Speaker 3: the same as he always does in terms of like
Speaker 3: being that you know, blocking guard build. I just feel
Speaker 3: like that's not only do I think that that probably
Speaker 3: has the highest ceiling in terms of the line this year,
Speaker 3: but I also think that that is the best line
Speaker 3: that you can have for the next three to five years. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And we start talking about Drake May and his window
Speaker 3: on the rookie contract and all that, Like, I feel
Speaker 3: like that's the best thing. And if you have the
Speaker 3: quarterback on the rookie contract, you can afford to pay
Speaker 3: a guard eighteen nineteen million dollars a year like they're
Speaker 3: paying Mike on Wenu, Like you can afford that at
Speaker 3: this point in time, right, you have fifty million dollars
Speaker 3: in cap space still and on May twenty third, So
Speaker 3: money is not an issue about asset allocation and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. We'll see what they end up doing. It's
Speaker 3: right now, we're starting to get on mess territory with
Speaker 3: the offensive line. We're starting to get there. I mean
Speaker 3: you can say we're starting to get there. Been there.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to get it all right, Let's take some
Speaker 3: of these calls, and then we have a few more
Speaker 3: things I wanted to get to on OTA's But Patrick
Speaker 3: is in Pennsylvania. What's up? Patrick?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 5: Love gets twenty two keep up some great work. And
Speaker 5: before I said a question, I agree with you, and
Speaker 5: I think Goes chokes City Andrews on one who Wallace
Speaker 5: put everybody in the right position. But my actual question is,
Speaker 5: aside from maybe some of the offensive line and running
Speaker 5: back depth, looking at defense outside of outside corner, is
Speaker 5: there any other greater team needs than that? At this point,
Speaker 5: I see a bunch of slock corners on the roster
Speaker 5: not a lot of true outside guys or at least
Speaker 5: proven guys. Do you realistically see us addressing that with
Speaker 5: a veteran, whether that be Gilmore or somebody else, or
Speaker 5: have you seen enough from practice to roll with Gonzo
Speaker 5: and Johnson Jones at the outside and then a mix
Speaker 5: of Marcus Jones, Dial Bolton, Austin, et cetera at the inside.
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, Yeah, thanks for the call of Patrick. I'm
Speaker 3: not maybe this is mebe be naive like I was
Speaker 3: with left tackle last week. I'm not necessarily concerned that
Speaker 3: with outside corner or corner.
Speaker 1: I say, it's the other way around. I think they
Speaker 1: have more boundary corners and slot corners. You got Christian Sauce,
Speaker 1: you got Alex Austin, You've got uh Marco Wilson right
Speaker 1: can play on the boundary. I like this guy, Mikey
Speaker 1: Victor of the UDFA they picked up. Jonathan Jones can
Speaker 1: play on the boundary. Marcel's dials a boundary corner like
Speaker 1: you got guys there. It's the slot. I did not
Speaker 1: say Isaiah Bolden, but Denk I'd put him in that
Speaker 1: group too. It's the slot that worries me more. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe Jonathan Jones goes back in the slot and and
Speaker 1: I guess that's my Mike on WNU at right guard
Speaker 1: where it's like it's a slightly less impactful position. But
Speaker 1: I just think the puzzle fits better if you do that.
Speaker 1: But if it's not him, you know, I think Marcus
Speaker 1: Jones can be a good slot corner, but he's a
Speaker 1: small guy. Durability he's gonna be a question. And then
Speaker 1: after that it really drops off in the slot. You know,
Speaker 1: I Sean Wade has shown some some progress, but is
Speaker 1: he a guy you're really comfortable with being potentially your
Speaker 1: second slot corner. I think Caleb Ford dement to U
Speaker 1: DFA can play in the slot a little bit. But
Speaker 1: it really thins out that to me is now they
Speaker 1: could add a guy on the boundary, move John Jones
Speaker 1: back into the slot full time. You know, he had
Speaker 1: Steph Gilmore and and and now you're in good shape.
Speaker 1: So that's right, add the veteran the slots where they're
Speaker 1: where they're actually thinner, I think.
Speaker 3: So I guess maybe I just it's semantics, but like
Speaker 3: I don't really get caught up too much and inside
Speaker 3: outside right now, when it comes to corners because so
Speaker 3: many of these receivers travel in an hour. So like
Speaker 3: when you play Miami, Like, does it really make a
Speaker 3: difference if you have inside or outside guys like Jalen
Speaker 3: Wattle and Tyree kill are gonna line up.
Speaker 1: I think it's more at this point using those to
Speaker 1: describe the prototype of the player, the skill set, rather
Speaker 1: than the uh, you know, alignment.
Speaker 3: I hear you there. I just think that what I
Speaker 3: the way I look at it, and I think that, again,
Speaker 3: this is probably pretty semantics. But Gonzo's gonna take the
Speaker 3: top X receiver. Yes, right, so he's gonna take the
Speaker 3: top X receiver. Jonathan Jones is gonna take the top
Speaker 3: Z receiver. And in today's NFL, not that this is
Speaker 3: probably true always, It's just I only know today's NFL. Uh.
Speaker 3: The zero receiver travels like right, Like he's he's an
Speaker 3: off the line player for a reason. He's gonna be
Speaker 3: moving around. He's gonna play inside, he's gonna play outside.
Speaker 3: He's gonna play out of stacks, bunch of alignments. Uh,
Speaker 3: he's gonna come in motion like That's why he's playing
Speaker 3: off the line of scrimmage so that he can be
Speaker 3: a chess piece that they can move around. So in
Speaker 3: my mind, I actually think Jonathan Jones is excellent for
Speaker 3: that role. Now, if they play a team with a
Speaker 3: great Z receiver, you know, somebody that plays that role
Speaker 3: that is excellent at it. Maybe Gonzo takes that player
Speaker 3: that week. And then you start to get into the
Speaker 3: issues of Okay, well, now who plays the boundary, you know,
Speaker 3: permanently and all that. I get that, maybe you could
Speaker 3: get into that minutia. But to me, it's simple as
Speaker 3: Gonzo's gonna play the boundary. Jonathan Jones is gonna be
Speaker 3: the the shadow, right, He's going to run around with
Speaker 3: whoever's off the line of scrimmage. And then, like you said,
Speaker 3: the true slot is really the next trickle down, and
Speaker 3: I think that the ideally it's Marcus Jones, right, Ideally
Speaker 3: he steps out and I think he can do it,
Speaker 3: but he's got to be healthy.
Speaker 1: And then who do you have behind him, because right
Speaker 1: now it's Sean Wade And now you're starting to get into,
Speaker 1: you know, being a little thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the one spot that I look at
Speaker 3: too is early downs, you know, first, second down. I
Speaker 3: think there's a really good chance that their three safety
Speaker 3: Nickel a lot, and you have like a slot defender
Speaker 3: instead of a corner and it's Gabriel Peppers or it's
Speaker 3: Kyle Duggar, you know, something like that. Yeah, but I
Speaker 3: hope it's sick because we've seen them do that in
Speaker 3: the past, over do that and they end up putting
Speaker 3: just guys that are too slow on burners. Yeah, if
Speaker 3: it ends up being you know, if you're playing a
Speaker 3: team that ends up just countering with eleven person out,
Speaker 3: then you have to match it with Trim Nickel. But
Speaker 3: I think that a lot of these teams that they
Speaker 3: play against that are going to be a little run
Speaker 3: heavy on early downs or play action run heavy, like
Speaker 3: that's going to be the sequel in their offense, or
Speaker 3: maybe the game plan that week is to play just
Speaker 3: a bunch of zone because they just feel like that's
Speaker 3: how they match up best against an opponent. I feel
Speaker 3: like that that three safety Nickel comes into play a lot,
Speaker 3: So I think that maybe that adds a little bit
Speaker 3: of depth to corner or slot corner, I should say,
Speaker 3: just because the the safety is factoring just a little
Speaker 3: bit into how that's gonna work out. If you ask me,
Speaker 3: the spot on the defense that I feel is maybe
Speaker 3: the most vulnerable. I guess the way to put it
Speaker 3: is edge rusher. You only feel that way because they
Speaker 3: had nobody out there practice here. Maybe I just feel
Speaker 3: like it's the same as last year though, where if
Speaker 3: Judon gets hurt, like.
Speaker 1: Who, well, I mean, yeah, if you lose your best player,
Speaker 1: the defense is we're talking.
Speaker 3: About depth and that's how depth works, like you, and
Speaker 3: it's also not just about him getting hurt. If they
Speaker 3: have any plans of winning some games this year, yeah,
Speaker 3: then the Judon trade to me is off the table,
Speaker 3: Like you can't if you trade Judon, I don't know
Speaker 3: where you're getting the pass rush from, and I like
Speaker 3: supposed to. Yeah, but he's a situational guy. Like I'm
Speaker 3: talking about three downs and I know they have bar
Speaker 3: Moore in the middle, but I'm talking about from the outside,
Speaker 3: Like where does the pass rush come from? And this
Speaker 3: kind of goes to the Keon White point that I
Speaker 3: had written down as something I wanted to talk to
Speaker 3: as well. Uh, I just don't know where the pass
Speaker 3: rush on first down comes from outside of obviously the
Speaker 3: interior with bar Moore. If Judon's not on this football team,
Speaker 3: Like where it's not going to come from Jennings is
Speaker 3: not going to be on the field because he's not
Speaker 3: his situation. And I say, really change what they do
Speaker 3: from a front mechanic standpoint, which I don't think they're
Speaker 3: gonna do. And in terms of pure pass rush, I'm
Speaker 3: still not one hundred percent sold. That's Keon White's MO
Speaker 3: like he was pretty good at that last year before
Speaker 3: you got that concussion. I feel like, I feel like
Speaker 3: he's a disruptor, right, And there's a difference between being
Speaker 3: a disruptor and what Judon is. Judn's a sack artist. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but they've they've gotten by for years with disruptors. I
Speaker 3: guess I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't think you need I don't
Speaker 1: think you need two fifteen sack guys necessarily to be No.
Speaker 3: It's more just you know, kind of thinking about it
Speaker 3: without Judon, Like if Judni is traded or Judai gets
Speaker 3: hurt again, or whatever the case may be, I think
Speaker 3: you're back into a world, which is where I think
Speaker 3: they were last year, where the pressures has to be schemed.
Speaker 3: It has to be you know, simulated pressures, creepers, blitz
Speaker 3: is whatever. Well, the other thing I wish to and
Speaker 3: this goes back to my thing about the deep safety.
Speaker 1: Remember is his rookie year. They used to use Kyle
Speaker 1: Duggar's pass rusher. He's like pretty good at it.
Speaker 3: They could try to do that again.
Speaker 1: I would look, but then the problem is, all right,
Speaker 1: so now you've got to put Jabrill Pepper's on the
Speaker 1: back end where he's not as impactful as when he's
Speaker 1: playing near the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3: I hate they don't have real free safety all right?
Speaker 3: Z is in Springfield? What's up?
Speaker 2: Z Hi? How you guys doing.
Speaker 5: Do you think they should trade a first and a
Speaker 5: fourth for T Higgins?
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks for the call. Uh No, I would not
Speaker 3: trade a first round pick for T. Higgins. And it's
Speaker 3: not because I don't think that T Higgins could net
Speaker 3: a first round pick. The Patriots first round pick is
Speaker 3: going to be a top ten pick next year. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't think T Higgins is worth the eighth overall
Speaker 3: pick in the draft. I just don't. Now there's a line, right,
Speaker 3: Like there's there's certain players that I do think are
Speaker 3: worth Obviously I don't. This is I'm not saying it's
Speaker 3: happening by any means, But like Justin Jefferson is worth
Speaker 3: the eighth overall pick in the draft, I don't think
Speaker 3: T Higgins is there. I don't think Brandon Ayuk is
Speaker 3: there either. I think the starting point for the Patriots
Speaker 3: on a T. Higgins trade is their twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: second round pick and maybe the fourth round pick that
Speaker 3: he mentioned or something like that. But I can't part
Speaker 3: with a top ten pick in the draft for T. Higgins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm not giving up a first round
Speaker 1: pick because of where that pick could be, second or fourth.
Speaker 1: Absolutely I'd go out and get T Higgins because this
Speaker 1: whole thing looks so much more complete if you do that,
Speaker 1: But I'm not giving up a first round pack.
Speaker 3: For my other take on on the T Higgins Brandon
Speaker 3: Ayuk all that we all would love to have those
Speaker 3: guys on the Patriots team. Like you said, the whole
Speaker 3: thing looks a whole lot better. I do wonder if
Speaker 3: they're maybe a year away from that move, because I
Speaker 3: think in some respects we don't know when Drake May
Speaker 3: is gonna play. And as much as T Higgins will
Speaker 3: help Drake May in two years anyways, it's just a
Speaker 3: matter of when you know like that that sort of
Speaker 3: thing happens. That's fair, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't know that you need to be in the
Speaker 1: biggest rush to do it, especially when you look at
Speaker 1: the guys that are up next to especially.
Speaker 3: Because they have no intentions whatsoever of re signing him
Speaker 3: in Cincinnati, So like why pay? But he's not gonna
Speaker 3: hit the market. He's gonna get traded before he gets maybe,
Speaker 3: I mean he's he's gonna have to sign the tag
Speaker 3: and then he's gonna have to get traded on the tag.
Speaker 3: Like I it's a complicated that becomes complicated. These guys
Speaker 3: just don't hit free agency. I guess I'll believe it
Speaker 3: when I I don't necessarily think he's gonna hit with
Speaker 3: free agency either. I just I just think it's a
Speaker 3: little bit more of a complex situation than that. I
Speaker 3: just I look at it this year. I don't know
Speaker 3: if Drake May is gonna be ready to play right away.
Speaker 3: T Higgins with Jacobe Brissett, really like all that does
Speaker 3: for you is maybe give you one or two more wins,
Speaker 3: which puts your draft pick in a worse spot. And
Speaker 3: I also think that you got to see at receiver
Speaker 3: what Jalen Polk and Javon Baker have and that's true.
Speaker 3: And I'd also throw Pop Douglas in there too. You know,
Speaker 3: I always go back to the Green Bay comparison. If
Speaker 3: in a year from now, it Jalen Polk, Javon Baker
Speaker 3: and Pop Douglas look like Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs and
Speaker 3: Jayden Reid, then a player like T Higgins or Brandon
Speaker 3: night Yuka is like the cherry on top that maybe
Speaker 3: makes you like ridiculously good on offense.
Speaker 1: Right the trade the idea of like a second and
Speaker 1: a fourth for one of these top receivers, which seems
Speaker 1: to be about what it costs that should be on
Speaker 1: the table if it's not T Higgins right now, Like
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that, but you look at the list
Speaker 1: of guys that are gonna be up nexture. I think
Speaker 1: Tara McLaurin got an extension right.
Speaker 3: He did recently. I don't know if it was this
Speaker 3: past Dk Metcalf.
Speaker 1: Dk Metcalf is a big one for me, Like DK
Speaker 1: Metcalf with Drake may would be I mean, talk about yeah,
Speaker 1: fit Terry Mclaurin's if I'm thinking the extension is gonna
Speaker 1: be up DJ Moore if they move on from him,
Speaker 1: because they got a bunch of good receivers, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be up. I don't think they're getting Garrett Wilson, but
Speaker 1: like j jaylen Wade because they're in the division. But
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of good receivers that are going
Speaker 1: to be that like pending free agent trade candidate guy
Speaker 1: next year, so that that trade should be on the
Speaker 1: table if it's not T Higgins right now. To your point,
Speaker 1: I understand that, you know, maybe they want to see
Speaker 1: what they have this year, and if Drake May is
Speaker 1: not like this anyway, you don't have to rush into it.
Speaker 1: But when we get to the spring, when we get
Speaker 1: to the spring of twenty twenty five, I think that
Speaker 1: that becomes you know, guys like DK Metca, that should
Speaker 1: become a real conversation.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, one hundred percent agree. I just look at it,
Speaker 3: and I look at this year, the twenty twenty four
Speaker 3: season as year zero. This is not I don't even
Speaker 3: look at this, no, no, it's it is. It is
Speaker 3: year Zero's the year that you're so bad you get
Speaker 3: the draft pick. I know, to me, this is year zero.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's year one. It's your it's the quarterbacks first year,
Speaker 1: it's year one. That's because he might not even play.
Speaker 1: You time it up to the rookie contract. That's just
Speaker 1: how year zero to me. No, okay, this is a
Speaker 1: full on developmental season.
Speaker 3: It can be year zero to you. I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: You know, having talked to people, the way that this
Speaker 3: thing goes, it's considered year one. Okay, well, I disagree
Speaker 3: with that. Here's here's the if you drafted a quarterback
Speaker 3: that was ready to play right out of the gate,
Speaker 3: you know, if it was Mac Jones two point zero,
Speaker 3: or if it was you know, Jayden Daniels, who I
Speaker 3: think we'll be probably ready to play right away for Washington,
Speaker 3: then I would agree that this is year one. But
Speaker 3: since you're probably going to plan on sitting Drake May
Speaker 3: for at least six to eight weeks like I, but
Speaker 3: you have to time it to his rookie contract. It's
Speaker 3: not I'm not necessarily the contract. I'm not necessarily talking
Speaker 3: about that. I'm just talking about the developmental cycle of
Speaker 3: the entire team. And I look at right now that
Speaker 3: I would like to see what the young receivers have.
Speaker 3: Sure I start playing that twenty five million dollars a year.
Speaker 3: What I'm telling you is they went to the double
Speaker 3: box in the video. That's how you know it's getting good.
Speaker 1: What I'm telling you is the way it's it's it's
Speaker 1: generally looked at Yeah, year zero is the year you're bad?
Speaker 3: Well, right, But why do I care how it's generally
Speaker 3: looked at it?
Speaker 1: Or because I'm educating the audience, because this is what
Speaker 1: the timeline should be for drafting quarterback?
Speaker 3: This is out should work. Year one is the quarterback
Speaker 3: a guy you're moving forwards with? Yes or no? Is
Speaker 3: I don't know if we're going to have that answer
Speaker 3: because he might not play well, then they'll be behind schedule.
Speaker 3: But you I don't think they'll be behind that. You
Speaker 3: can find that out behind the Chiefs. Behind schedule, like,
Speaker 3: I don't think that means he's there nobody, but they
Speaker 3: clearly knew.
Speaker 1: We didn't see it because he wasn't playing in games.
Speaker 1: They moved on from Alex. They were comfortable they knew, okay,
Speaker 1: that Mahomes is the guy. So just because he doesn't
Speaker 1: play in games doesn't mean you don't know what you
Speaker 1: have in him at some point though at some point
Speaker 1: he has played the game at some point he does,
Speaker 1: and he's got to have like not saying that the
Speaker 1: Chiefs got lucky by any means, but like that technically
Speaker 1: could have gone either way still until he got into
Speaker 1: an NFL gave Now sure he played that last regular
Speaker 1: season he played. So and you're saying, Drake May might
Speaker 1: play six to eight, Drake May is playing this year.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna go seventeen years. So year
Speaker 1: one is, let me put it this way, If Drake
Speaker 1: May is is, if let's say worst case scenario, like
Speaker 1: he gets out of there and like this guy's not close,
Speaker 1: then you're not trading for DK Metcalf next year.
Speaker 3: Because you don't know. Because then if if you trade
Speaker 3: for dass trade, which happened what in between year two
Speaker 3: and three.
Speaker 1: For exactly, if if you're not confident in Drake Man
Speaker 1: you trade for DK Metcalf, you blew that asset when
Speaker 1: you might have to be picking another quarterback again in
Speaker 1: a year or two and now DK Metcalf's old and
Speaker 1: he's out of his problem and whatever.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of my point. Year one is is
Speaker 3: your quarterback the guy? Yes or no?
Speaker 1: Have you checked the first box in the rebuilt category.
Speaker 1: Year two, can you just be competitive? Can you may
Speaker 1: be surprised in a couple of games. Are you flirting
Speaker 1: with the playoff spot?
Speaker 3: Year three? You should be.
Speaker 1: This is when you should have that receiver in place.
Speaker 1: You should go and get that. All these quarterbacks go
Speaker 1: into year three, right.
Speaker 3: You gotta I think you gotta speed it up a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 1: Year three is when you should really be like you
Speaker 1: should be in the playoffs. You should be contending for
Speaker 1: your division. Years four and year five, that's your super
Speaker 1: Bowl window. That's your true super Bowl window. That is
Speaker 1: what the path should be for developing a young quarterback.
Speaker 1: With Mac Jones, they were ahead of schedule, they made
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Year one peaked well exactly, they got a
Speaker 1: head of schedule. Well, I think they got a head
Speaker 1: of schedule and got a little too comfortable.
Speaker 3: They peaked.
Speaker 1: So let's just figure out this year. If they come
Speaker 1: away from this year and it can happen behind the scenes, Evan,
Speaker 1: we may not know it. If they can come away
Speaker 1: from this year that yes, we're gonna invest in Drake May,
Speaker 1: We're gonna build this thing around Drake May. Then this
Speaker 1: year is a success. Then you go out and get
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf. Then you go out and get your left
Speaker 1: tackle in the draft, and now you're starting on that
Speaker 1: upward trajectory of Okay, we know we have the guy.
Speaker 1: Now we've put the pieces around, and let's see what
Speaker 1: that looks like. Year three you finish rounding out the roster,
Speaker 1: and then year four and year five you're going for it.
Speaker 3: If they don't make the playoffs by year three, I
Speaker 3: don't know if maybe if you don't year three you
Speaker 3: should be in the playoffs. I don't know.
Speaker 1: If I was clear about that, I would say you
Speaker 1: should be contending for your division, but you should be
Speaker 1: in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: But if I just think that history tells us, and
Speaker 3: maybe the craft will be more patient, but history tells
Speaker 3: us that it's really a two year window that you
Speaker 3: have to get the team.
Speaker 1: You're not If no, and I'm with you on that,
Speaker 1: and this timeline exists in that context, Yeah, if you're
Speaker 1: not in the playoffs in year three, you are behind schedule.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that you start talking about people's jobs
Speaker 3: at that point. I think the other thing that year
Speaker 3: two you should be like a borderline playoff team, Like
Speaker 3: maybe you sneak in said what the Patriots were Mac
Speaker 3: Jones rookie year is really what you want to be
Speaker 3: in year two. So we have two different models to
Speaker 3: kind of look at here. I think number one is
Speaker 3: what's going on right now with the Houston Texans. So
Speaker 3: the Houston Texans are their way ahead of schedule because
Speaker 3: of Stroud. But what they did was what I'm advocating
Speaker 3: for the Patriots to do this year, is they allowed
Speaker 3: Stroud to play with Nico Collins and Tank Dell. They
Speaker 3: realized that Nico Collins and Tank Dell are dudes, and
Speaker 3: then they made this to find trade to be the icing.
Speaker 3: I'm with you on that, and look the other model.
Speaker 3: The other model is the Buffalo Bills, who I believe
Speaker 3: it was between going into Josh Allen's third season if
Speaker 3: they traded for Diggs because they recognized that he needed
Speaker 3: some development and he wasn't ready yet for that type
Speaker 3: of move. Whether he needs development or not, he should
Speaker 3: be trying to get him one of tho wide receivers.
Speaker 3: I think it matters. I think once you got into
Speaker 3: year two with Josh Allen, he showed some significant improvement
Speaker 3: wait and he started to play well, and then they
Speaker 3: recognized to your point of is he the guy or not?
Speaker 3: I don't think the Bills truly knew that Josh Allen
Speaker 3: was the guy or not until the end of his
Speaker 3: second season, right, So that's my point of why I
Speaker 3: like Josh Allen's rookie year. If they had made a
Speaker 3: snap like your point of can this guy hand can
Speaker 3: this guy be your quarterback? If they had made a
Speaker 3: judgment in a vacuum based off of Josh Allen's rookie season,
Speaker 3: the answer would have been now.
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying you have to decide is he
Speaker 1: the guy? Yes or no after the first year. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: are you confident enough after the first year? Like you
Speaker 1: want to be confident enough after the first year. So
Speaker 1: they made the Digs trade going in a year three, right,
Speaker 1: because I think they were behind at one point Josh
Speaker 1: Allen was behind schedule. The Bills are behind schedule. I
Speaker 1: think you'd agree with me on that they didn't know
Speaker 1: after the first year. I don't think they were behind schedule.
Speaker 1: I think that they knew that they drafted like this
Speaker 1: raw developmental quarterback. Sure, okay, but here's my point. Can
Speaker 1: you see enough from Drake May where you're confident to
Speaker 1: make that trade going into year two instead of going
Speaker 1: into year three.
Speaker 3: That's basically my point. That's what happened with Stroud, Right, Well,
Speaker 3: so they well, but again because Josh Allen didn't check
Speaker 3: that first box until after year two, where you're kind
Speaker 3: of hoping to check it after year one, where it's
Speaker 3: just the reason why Josh Allen didn't check it though,
Speaker 3: and this is what I'm trying to get at, is
Speaker 3: because they knew going in that he had longer way
Speaker 3: to go than c J. Stroud did, so, right, so
Speaker 3: they that's the guy that Patriots drafted, So they drafted
Speaker 3: a guy that is Josh Allen, they didn't draft CJ.
Speaker 3: So you think there's a chance that we're not confident
Speaker 3: after this year that Drake May is the future. I
Speaker 3: think that there's a chance after this year that it's incomplete,
Speaker 3: that we just don't know yet. Okay, So yeah, that's
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Yeah, but I don't But it's not
Speaker 3: like you're saying it to me, like you're saying it
Speaker 3: with a negative connotation. I don't necessarily think that that
Speaker 3: means it's a negative thing. I just think that when
Speaker 3: you look at developmental tracks like it's gonna take Drake
Speaker 3: May potentially longer to hit his ceiling then I took C. J.
Speaker 3: Stroud And but he doesn't need to hit his ceiling
Speaker 3: in order for you know what about I mean, like
Speaker 3: he hit his potential that you can feel good about.
Speaker 3: Does he show you enough? Here's what I'm saying, can
Speaker 3: he show you enough this year where you say, yeah,
Speaker 3: we're okay trading a second round pick for DK Metcalf
Speaker 3: because Drake May is going to be here being the
Speaker 3: guy throwing to him right, which means that he would
Speaker 3: have to have a season not not maybe not not
Speaker 3: necessarily as good because Stroud just no, one doesn't have
Speaker 3: to match straight, but.
Speaker 1: But's got to be in the ballpark. I felt after
Speaker 1: Mac Jones rookie year that yeah, this is a guy
Speaker 1: I'd go get help. I'm okay kind of blowing some
Speaker 1: future assets.
Speaker 3: Matt Jones solid rookie year. Though I think Drake May
Speaker 3: could do that. I don't disagree. I don't if he's
Speaker 3: given the opportunity. I don't think they're gonna give him
Speaker 3: the opportunity necessarily.
Speaker 1: But well, and then it goes back to can he
Speaker 1: show them enough? Behind the scenes where they're watching him
Speaker 1: in practice, saying, and if we go get him a
Speaker 1: DK man, and I keep using DK Metcalf just because
Speaker 1: the contracts. Yeah, man, if we go get him a
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, T Higgins right whoever, Like he's really gonna
Speaker 1: be able to do something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you. And I also think there's a
Speaker 3: conversation that we can unpack it another day when we
Speaker 3: decide whether or not they're ready for this trade of
Speaker 3: the best stylistic fit for this type of offense and
Speaker 3: Drake May and all that kind of stuff. I hear
Speaker 3: what you're saying with DK. The downfield ability is definitely there.
Speaker 3: I do wonder if, like a more versatile player just
Speaker 3: for the system that they're gonna be running well. But
Speaker 3: isn't the hope that Jalen Polk is that guy? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I could.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about with Metcalf.
Speaker 1: It's not just fitting the system, it's fitting the players
Speaker 1: they have in place. Because Polk is your Z Pop
Speaker 1: is your slot. So can you go get that true
Speaker 1: outside guy.
Speaker 3: I just wonder if this system, if there's if there
Speaker 3: really is a true outside guy, like if that's really
Speaker 3: how it's built like I look at Silly you want
Speaker 3: like another z well, I just it's not even just
Speaker 3: about like the position names. I'd just think that like
Speaker 3: you look at the receivers in San Francisco, the receivers
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles with the rams, like those guys are
Speaker 3: you know a U Cooper cup Like they're these versatile
Speaker 3: guys that can play different spots, that can be inside,
Speaker 3: that can be outside, that can block in the run game.
Speaker 3: I know nobody cares about that here, but that's just
Speaker 3: the bottom line.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: They're bigger, thicker receivers as well. I look at DK.
Speaker 3: I love DK, so I would put him out of
Speaker 3: it in a different category. I think he's a leade
Speaker 3: elite and that means that he's one of those guys
Speaker 3: that you just make it work, you know, that type
Speaker 3: of player. I look at t Higgins though, and I
Speaker 3: have a little minor little bit ahead. He's more that true,
Speaker 3: he's less versatile, yeah, but he's a fade jump ball,
Speaker 3: big body receiver like that's who That's what.
Speaker 1: He is, by the way, instead of just continuing to guess,
Speaker 1: because we have the power of the Internet, Terry McLaurin,
Speaker 1: because McLaurin would be that kind of guy, that kind
Speaker 1: of multiples, right. Yeah, So he's signed through twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five with a void year and twenty six, but he
Speaker 1: has no guaranteed money on his contract next year. So
Speaker 1: he's a guy I would think unless he gets a
Speaker 1: new like, he's gonna need a new contract one way
Speaker 1: or the other. Whether Washington gives it to or not
Speaker 1: is the question. But he's probably gonna be looking for
Speaker 1: a new contract next offseason. So that in theory, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Terry is a great player.
Speaker 3: You love, you love Terry McClay. You're a big I'm
Speaker 3: a big Terry McLaurin guy. He should have been for
Speaker 3: all we want to second guess about, But why are
Speaker 3: the Commanders giving Like Jayden Daniels is in the same
Speaker 3: spot that Drake may is in. Why would the Commanders
Speaker 3: be giving up receiver talent with a young quarterback.
Speaker 1: Because I'm like kind of with you, But also I
Speaker 1: wonder mclaurin's gonna be thirty. Do they see it as
Speaker 1: we're gonna draft the guys so these two can develop
Speaker 1: together and maybe the Patriots they've drafted the guys.
Speaker 3: It's what John dottson there it's Terry McLaurin. I think
Speaker 3: there's a third guy. No, it was Curtis Samuel, who
Speaker 3: I think is gone now right, I'm pulling it up.
Speaker 1: But they may look at it and say, we want
Speaker 1: to draft the guy for Jane Daniels to develop with,
Speaker 1: where the Patriots look at it and say, we got
Speaker 1: two guys for him to develop with, but we need
Speaker 1: a veteran in that room as well. I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: it's they got Demmy Brown, Drake May's former team.
Speaker 3: I think Drake Mace Warmer maybe for like a year. Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: he wasn't. He was out in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Oh they have to mere Bird, Okay, one of the
Speaker 1: mooset underrated players in the league, Jamison Crowd or Jahan dottson.
Speaker 1: They drafted Luke McCaffrey, Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a scary room if you kind of that's
Speaker 3: a scary room if you take Terry McLaurin out, Like
Speaker 3: John Dotson is still an unknown to me, like I
Speaker 3: think he's probably gonna be well, but Evan, this is
Speaker 3: next year.
Speaker 1: So it's if you know you're getting a top forty pick, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it's we're gonna draft.
Speaker 3: A guy, and I don't know if I'm them. Jayden
Speaker 3: Daniels is ready like he's twenty. Maybe maybe I'm talking
Speaker 3: myself into it, but he's a good player. I wouldn't
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Speaker 3: like the nice like towels, and they got like their
Speaker 3: initials stitched into them and stuff like that. Now, is
Speaker 3: it like the stupid things like what do your parents
Speaker 3: need for like their their birthdays or anivisories like they
Speaker 3: they're they got, they got plenty, So it's like what
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Speaker 3: their second homes were spoiled. Anyways, let's let's take some
Speaker 3: more of these calls and emails and then we'll get
Speaker 3: to the last couple of things on my list. So
Speaker 3: if you want to call it, it's eight five to
Speaker 3: five PATS five hundred is the phone number, and our
Speaker 3: web radio Patriots dot Com is the email address, and
Speaker 3: Eldred's called in. I'm sure to talk about our receiver conversation.
Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 3: Aldred?
Speaker 2: Heyell, let's holl y'all doing, hey good, look good like
Speaker 2: you insight heaven a lot of things, But uh, I
Speaker 2: don't know. The comparison between what Strout did Strout did
Speaker 2: last year and May is like Apple's oranges, because Strout
Speaker 2: was a better passer and you know, championship wise whatever.
Speaker 2: But I do agree with you though, they need to
Speaker 2: give him more rep, you know, a lot more rep
Speaker 2: than baby Zappy, you know, if him and the other
Speaker 2: quarterback is split. It's been fine to be fine, but
Speaker 2: DK metcalf. I want him in twenty nineteen, but we
Speaker 2: got Harry, you know. So but next year I'll shoot
Speaker 2: for him. I'm like Alex Over, I'll shoot for him,
Speaker 2: you know, next year, not the third year, the second year.
Speaker 2: If Drake May's the man, So mother question is why
Speaker 2: your body is. I ain't nobody trying to put Milton
Speaker 2: into the picture or anything, because he got the same
Speaker 2: thing to work on to like Drake May, the short, short,
Speaker 2: accurate medium, you know, just the throws all that, you know,
Speaker 2: but they put one down but praise the other one,
Speaker 2: you know, like he can make all the throws, but
Speaker 2: both of them can, but they just ain't doing it
Speaker 2: equal enough or dedicated enough, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Right on point wise, Yeah, yeah, I look, I think
Speaker 3: it's a fair point, aldre Than thanks for the call
Speaker 3: as always of what's the difference I guess between Drake
Speaker 3: May and Joe Milton. Why did one go in the
Speaker 3: first round one go in the sixth round?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 3: You know Deldrid's point. I actually think that a lot
Speaker 3: of people aren't writing off Joe Milton. I wish more
Speaker 3: people were writing off Joe Milton, But I think the
Speaker 3: biggest thing that you look at with those two guys
Speaker 3: is how they read the field. I think that Joe
Speaker 3: Milton in college, and we talked about this a little
Speaker 3: bit alex Is in the past, he's one of those guys.
Speaker 3: And I don't mean to be mean, but like, you know,
Speaker 3: when you're playing Madden and the controller comes unplugged and
Speaker 3: like he's just kind of frozen there in the pocket
Speaker 3: and you're just like waiting and you're just like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, trying to plug it back in and hit
Speaker 3: the button. Like that's what happens to Joe Milton a lot.
Speaker 3: He kind of becomes like a statue of he just
Speaker 3: kind of freezes up in the pocket. And I don't
Speaker 3: think his timing or his rhythm in the passing game
Speaker 3: is anywhere near as good as Drake May's was at
Speaker 3: North Carolina. And so really, when you talk about Joe Milton,
Speaker 3: you're really just talking about the raw arm talent with him,
Speaker 3: whereas I think Drake May has a lot of raw
Speaker 3: tools and intangible, you know, physical tools. But I also
Speaker 3: think that he's a little bit more of a natural quarterback.
Speaker 3: If that makes sense, like a more natural playmaker at
Speaker 3: the position, Whereas right now, I think Joe Milton's truly
Speaker 3: just a ball of clay. He's a big dude that's athletic,
Speaker 3: that throws the ball a mile like. I think that
Speaker 3: that's what he is, Whereas I think Drake May has
Speaker 3: true quarterback instincts and ability to read the field and
Speaker 3: timing and all that kind of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Joe Milton has those things, he just
Speaker 1: doesn't display them as as, uh, what's what I'm looking
Speaker 1: for consistently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just forgot that he's that word all the time.
Speaker 1: I think that's the difference. The other difference is where
Speaker 1: you look. You try to look at which way the
Speaker 1: players are trending. And Joe Milton was in college for
Speaker 1: six years and is kind of still the same player
Speaker 1: he was when he was a freshman at Michigan.
Speaker 3: And he's older now.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be twenty five, right, so there's less runway there,
Speaker 1: whereas Drake May's twenty one, he's got more room to grow.
Speaker 1: So I think that's really the difference is one guy
Speaker 1: has a lot more time to improve the other one doesn't.
Speaker 1: And that's really what it comes down to.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, you know some people I talked to. I
Speaker 3: wrote both of these guys' profiles, So yeah, a lot
Speaker 3: of the guys that I talked to for Drake May
Speaker 3: said what you just said, which is that if you
Speaker 3: are on top of the fact that he lost his
Speaker 3: senior year of high school because of COVID, he really
Speaker 3: hasn't played a whole lot of football. He's only twenty
Speaker 3: one years old, twenty two years old, and he's only
Speaker 3: started I think it's four seasons between high school and college.
Speaker 3: He started two years in high school, then sophomore in
Speaker 3: junior year, COVID wipes out his senior year, and then
Speaker 3: he goes on to the North Carolina where he sits
Speaker 3: behind Sam Howell for a season, and then starts at
Speaker 3: North Carolina as a sophomore in a junior So he's
Speaker 3: only started four actual seasons of football. He hasn't played
Speaker 3: a ton and is already at this level. So that
Speaker 3: tells you that he's got a very very high ceiling,
Speaker 3: right as we Joe Milton, I think the one pushback
Speaker 3: that people had about it was is that there was
Speaker 3: a lot of just added circumstance that led to him
Speaker 3: having trouble sticking right in a program Michigan. In twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: the COVID shortened season. They played six games. He started
Speaker 3: five of them, and he didn't He wasn't great, and
Speaker 3: they decided to go in a different direction. But when
Speaker 3: you look at his skill set and the way he
Speaker 3: plays and what he's good at, like, is Joe Milton
Speaker 3: really a Jim Harbaugh quarterback? Like is he really one
Speaker 3: of those guys that, like, you know, Jim Harbaugh is
Speaker 3: like JJ McCarthy, right.
Speaker 1: Right, No, No, Jim Harbaugh's offense doesn't require throwing the
Speaker 1: ball more than ten yards out of the field, right,
Speaker 1: That's all Joe Milton wants to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just it didn't seem like a great stylistic
Speaker 3: fit to begin with with Joe Milton. Who wants to
Speaker 3: you know, with Joe Milton, you play like an offense
Speaker 3: like Tennessee. It's Tennessee, it's tempo, it's down the field
Speaker 3: throws like that's what you want to do with Joe Milton.
Speaker 3: Michigan's under center, smash mouth football, old school offense was
Speaker 3: not a great stylistic fit. So I never really understood
Speaker 3: that to begin with. And so then he goes to Michigan.
Speaker 3: It sits behind some guys for what like a year
Speaker 3: or two there, or goes to Tennessee. No, I go
Speaker 3: to Michigan'm going Oh okay, start there, wins the job
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, starts for five games in twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: and then transfers, right because it just it wasn't working out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so he transfers to Tennessee, wins the starting job
Speaker 3: at Tennessee, gets hurt Hennon Hooker takes the job from
Speaker 3: him and doesn't look back that, you know, doesn't let
Speaker 3: go of the Rams until Tennon Hooker goes to the NFL.
Speaker 3: So that lost another two years of development for Joe Miller. Right,
Speaker 3: So his final year six years later, you know, he's
Speaker 3: throwing passes to guys that have been in the NFL
Speaker 3: for like four years already in twenty twenty or whatever.
Speaker 3: And now he's you know, just getting strong balls at
Speaker 3: Juwan Jennings, right, yeah, getting a shot in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four or twenty twenty three, excuse me, at Tennessee like that.
Speaker 3: So it wasn't necessarily Yes, you could make the argument
Speaker 3: that he wasn't good enough to like really take the
Speaker 3: reins of the position and take the bowl by the
Speaker 3: horns and keep it and maintain it. But I think
Speaker 3: that he was an odd stylistic fit at Michigan. He
Speaker 3: gets hurt, tweaks his ankle, and then Hennon Hooker comes
Speaker 3: in and has like the best season ever for a
Speaker 3: Tennessee quarterback. It's like, what are you supposed to do?
Speaker 3: So I think that there's a lot of those types
Speaker 3: of textual things that people push back on with Milton
Speaker 3: and said, just keep in mind that even though he
Speaker 3: was in college for six years and it seems like
Speaker 3: he's tapped out, he hasn't played a time, right, so
Speaker 3: you know, maybe there is some potential there with Joe Milton.
Speaker 3: So I just I just talked up Joe Millton for you.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody like there's very few people are
Speaker 1: being realistic about Joe Milton, and it's it's hard to
Speaker 1: in both directions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in both directions. There's people saying he doesn't belong
Speaker 3: in the league.
Speaker 2: He does.
Speaker 3: He belongs in the NFL, absolutely belongs in the NFL.
Speaker 3: That arm belongs in the NFL. Yeah, but there's if
Speaker 3: the rest of it comes along.
Speaker 1: But there's also people who see, you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of clips from OTA's in wonder if he's pushing Drake
Speaker 1: May And I don't think that's the case either. College football.
Speaker 1: So this is where the college football thing comes in.
Speaker 1: There's a whole thing among college football fans the last
Speaker 1: couple years about the Joe Milton experience. Yeah, and most
Speaker 1: college football fans kind of figured out by the end
Speaker 1: with the dealers with Joe Milton. Watching Patriots fans experience
Speaker 1: the Joe Milton experience in real time is going to
Speaker 1: be very interesting.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. We see it practice like against air. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we've seen it. Throw to throw like he made an
Speaker 3: absolutely beautiful they're just throwing against air, routes against air.
Speaker 3: And beginning of practice on Monday, and he threw a
Speaker 3: beautiful deep ball, not the one that he threw the coach,
Speaker 3: I'm like to an actual receiver. Then you know, they
Speaker 3: changed sides, so he goes from throwing down the right
Speaker 3: sideline to throw down the left sideline to throw down
Speaker 3: the left sideline was like ten yards out of bounce,
Speaker 3: like you just like threw like over through the receiver
Speaker 3: by a mile and I'm like, well that's Joe, Like
Speaker 3: one is an absolute die. I'm like, couldn't throw it
Speaker 3: any more perfect? And then the next throw is just
Speaker 3: nowhere close, you know, And that's sort of what you
Speaker 3: mean by the Joe Milton's experience. David from San Jose
Speaker 3: asks would you extend Matthew Judon or Remandre Stevenson first? Like,
Speaker 3: which guy would you prioritize? Judon? Because he's not I
Speaker 3: don't think he's gonna play on his current deal. I'm
Speaker 3: with you, I would extend Judon as well. I also,
Speaker 3: you know me, you know where I'm going with this
Speaker 3: running back second contract. Running backs is not for me.
Speaker 3: I you know, I'm not against bringing Remondery if it's reasonable,
Speaker 3: and I'm never against it, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I want to see Antonio Gibson. I think Antonio Gibson
Speaker 1: could be like sneaky, sneaky, really good. And if Gibson's
Speaker 1: a player, you know you don't. So I wouldn't extend
Speaker 1: Stevenson before the season.
Speaker 3: I just wouldn't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean I'm again springing him back, but I
Speaker 1: don't think he's a guy that needs an extension right now.
Speaker 3: Jude On like needs an extension right now. Yeah, So
Speaker 3: I read a stat the other day that I didn't realize,
Speaker 3: and it is a little bit of a of a
Speaker 3: nerd stat for you. Antonio Gibson last year, Yeah, led
Speaker 3: the league all running backs in mistackles force per rush.
Speaker 3: So his elusiveness, right, I'll take that stat. That's a
Speaker 3: tangible stat. Elusiveness. Was there like a minimum carries on that?
Speaker 3: I think?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Somebody just tweeted it out randomly. Elusiveness, speed, versatility. He's
Speaker 3: big too. I'm talking myself into it a little bit,
Speaker 3: being a you know, a sneaky good signing for them.
Speaker 3: I wonder if he only had sixty five carries last year, is.
Speaker 1: There is there a world though where he is closer? Actually,
Speaker 1: if was it was it per carrier, per touch, per carry?
Speaker 1: I think okay, because he only had sixty eight carries,
Speaker 1: but he caught forty eight passes.
Speaker 3: Is there a world where he's closer to what was
Speaker 3: it two years ago that he had the big year
Speaker 3: in Washington twenty one? Yeah, twenty one.
Speaker 1: He ran in sixteen games, ran for one thousand and
Speaker 1: thirty seven yards, seven touchdowns, caught forty two passes.
Speaker 3: For another three hundred yards and three scores. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure he's gonna have the opportunity. He's not gonna get
Speaker 3: that kind of But is there a chance that he's
Speaker 3: in terms of efficiency and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: is like more on par with that player than the
Speaker 3: one that got buried last year. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: And look one change I'm hoping from, you know, with
Speaker 1: this new offensive coaching staff, and it's something that they
Speaker 1: did well in Cleveland the last two years. Evan, we
Speaker 1: come in here and it's like, you know, early October
Speaker 1: and I have to get my takeoff about too much
Speaker 1: m Andre Stevenson and you're going to run him into
Speaker 1: the ground.
Speaker 3: One it was making fun of me for caring about
Speaker 3: the running back depth. No, it's not even the depth.
Speaker 3: They had the depth, they just wouldn't give the ball
Speaker 3: to anybody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, remember that game against the Detroit two years
Speaker 1: ago where they're like up thirty with a minute ago
Speaker 1: and Kevin Harris is right there and they're still making
Speaker 1: Rimondre Stevenson run between the tackles like the Belichick thing. Right,
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that this year. It's not that I
Speaker 1: don't think Rimondre is a good player, but I think realistically,
Speaker 1: if you scale back his workload a little bit, he'll
Speaker 1: be right more productive in the opportunities he has, and
Speaker 1: a guy like Antonio Gibson should give you an opportunity
Speaker 1: to do that without losing too much. So I two
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five carries is a lot. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's getting that. You know, he's three hundred touches.
Speaker 3: I think he should be at one fifty. I'd say
Speaker 3: somewhere between one fifty and two hundred is a good
Speaker 3: number for him, just especially be based off of how
Speaker 3: much I think they're gonna want to run the ball
Speaker 3: in general. You know, look, Stevenson was Stevenson was I
Speaker 3: think eighth last year in touches because they're leading receiver too.
Speaker 3: I forgot hurt, or maybe when he got hurt, he
Speaker 3: was eighth in touches. I look at those two guys,
Speaker 3: and I don't know. I don't have the numbers right
Speaker 3: in front of me, So I don't know what Kareem
Speaker 3: Hunts volume was in Cleveland. But I think that their
Speaker 3: roles in terms of how they're used stylistically, are going
Speaker 3: to be very similar to Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 3: You know, Kareem Hunt was more of like the sub
Speaker 3: package pass game back, and Nick Chubb was their work coorse.
Speaker 3: You know, he was their first and second down guy.
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, there's a chance that Gibson
Speaker 3: has a little bit more volume. If remembering off the
Speaker 3: top of my head, I don't think Kareem Hunt touched
Speaker 3: the ball a ton in Cleveland, But in terms of
Speaker 3: how they're used schematically, I think it's going to be
Speaker 3: similar and Hareem Hunt had I'll tell you there might
Speaker 3: have been one year where they ran the crap out
Speaker 3: of the ball. I mean he had two hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty touches in twenty twenty. Yeah, had one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty last two years.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, Yeah, That's where I think in Gibson is
Speaker 1: you want to so I was trying to find something.
Speaker 1: You want to hear something crazy. No qualifiers.
Speaker 3: Do you know who led the NFL in yards after
Speaker 3: contact per rush last year? Derrick Henry No, Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 1: No qualifiers. It's Patriot Oh, no qualifiers. No qualifiers as
Speaker 1: a running back, well he's not a running back, but
Speaker 1: on rushes, Kendrick Nope, it was Taekwon Thornton. Oh, my god,
Speaker 1: Thornton because of that one run against Uh was it
Speaker 1: the Chargers on he had on the end? Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had three carries for fifty one yards. Last year he
Speaker 1: averaged sixteen yards after contact for care doesn't count, all right,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm looking at it right here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because remember it was the Chargers, right, yeah, game,
Speaker 3: he had that one and he should have scored, but
Speaker 3: Devonte Parker stopped blocking his guy for some reason. Gary
Speaker 3: emails in Brandon Bolden was top twenty, particularly in the
Speaker 3: first practice of staff needed to figure out who and
Speaker 3: what to prioritize and the rest of OTAs. That determination
Speaker 3: is the first of many important influences on the decision
Speaker 3: of which three qbs to keep. Okay, you read that
Speaker 3: really quick. That part's not the important. Okay, you're clearly
Speaker 3: counting out Bailey Zappi, but the staff is not. Remember
Speaker 3: they saw him real NFL games with last year's lazzy offense. Gary,
Speaker 3: I am here to tell you I'm counting out Bailey Zappi.
Speaker 3: I'm counting him out. It's not because of anything that
Speaker 3: Bailly's Appy has done. Is not because I think he's
Speaker 3: a bad guy or a bad locker room influence. I
Speaker 3: think all that stuff is a little bit overblown. But
Speaker 3: I'm counting Bailey Zappi out because he does not have
Speaker 3: a role on this team. He is not a mentor
Speaker 3: to Drake May. He's not an experienced veteran. That's Jacoby
Speaker 3: Brissett and he's not Drake May. So he has no role.
Speaker 3: I'm counting him out. I'm sorry, Like, there's just no
Speaker 3: purpose for him here, Like, what is the the ideal path?
Speaker 3: What is the ceiling for Bailey Zappi here that he
Speaker 3: beats out Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and starts taking games before Drake May. I Look
Speaker 1: to be fair, I won't entirely count him out in
Speaker 1: that regard, just seeing the way they're doings of practice. Uh,
Speaker 1: Bailey Zappi at the longest has one more full season
Speaker 1: in New England.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: I just feel like unless he's not gonna unless he
Speaker 3: turns a new leaf as a as a teammate from
Speaker 3: what we've seen, and he becomes a guy that will
Speaker 3: embrace being the bridge quarterback slash mentor to Drake manash backup,
Speaker 3: slash backup eventually, because that's what he is and I'm
Speaker 3: not even talking about like him being here long term.
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about him being here next season unless
Speaker 3: he four, If he completely changes his that's what he's
Speaker 3: gonna He's gonna be Jacoby wessaid, right, he's gonna keep
Speaker 3: the seat worm, and he's going to be a mentor
Speaker 3: to Drake May. And maybe by keeping the seat worm,
Speaker 3: he plays some good football and then in twenty five
Speaker 3: he goes someplace else and gets a chance to compete.
Speaker 3: If that's what he's gonna do, then okay. I have
Speaker 3: not seen that side of Bailey Zappy yet. The side
Speaker 3: of Bailey Zappi that we have seen has been the
Speaker 3: one that thinks he should start over mac Jones and
Speaker 3: has competed like such, which there's nothing wrong with that
Speaker 3: is nothing wrong with that. I'm not blaming him for
Speaker 3: wanting to compete in wanting to play. I'm just telling
Speaker 3: you that that's not where the Patriots are at. The
Speaker 3: Patriots have married Drake May, they have married.
Speaker 1: Him, So yeah, he would essentially have to do what
Speaker 1: brock Purdy did to Tree Lance, which I just don't.
Speaker 3: Think is happening.
Speaker 1: Brock Purdy was able to do that because of all
Speaker 1: talent he had around. So again, I won't rule out
Speaker 1: Bailey's Appy somehow sticking on the roster this year and
Speaker 1: maybe starting a game or two, just because seeing how
Speaker 1: they're doing things at practice.
Speaker 3: But there's no there is no long term for Bailey's
Speaker 3: Appy New England. There just isn't. Yeah, and the fact
Speaker 3: that he seems to be.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: That he he seems to do how do I want
Speaker 3: to put this?
Speaker 1: He's got to be okay that Drake Mays was drafted
Speaker 1: to be the face of the franchise. Yeah, and if
Speaker 1: he's not, it's really tough to justify keeping him here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. All right, Lawrence is in
Speaker 3: Indiana if I can get the mouse to work. What's up, Lawrence?
Speaker 4: What's going on? Guys? First time call, a long time listener,
Speaker 4: Love it, Thank you. My question pretty much is is
Speaker 4: just like at least that my thought process is kind
Speaker 4: of understanding. Is that offensive tackle you want to protect
Speaker 4: the blind side of your QB first? Is there any
Speaker 4: reason why we are trying to force one new at
Speaker 4: right rather than putting him at left, considering we have
Speaker 4: such problems with the left tackle right about now.
Speaker 3: Thanks for the call, guys, Yeah, thanks for the call, Lawrence.
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing that you talk, you know,
Speaker 3: blind side protect there, all that kind of stuff in
Speaker 3: order to be a left tackle. To most people, you
Speaker 3: really want that left tackle to be a high end
Speaker 3: pass protector, right so on when who is a bulldozer,
Speaker 3: great run blocker, probably a high end pass protector at guard,
Speaker 3: but right now, based off the film, he's not a
Speaker 3: high end pass protector at tackle. You also usually get you.
Speaker 1: Know, coming off that the defense's right side. To that
Speaker 1: blind side, you get the more athletic rushers, so you
Speaker 1: want your more athletic tackle over there.
Speaker 3: And yeah, the reality he would have the same issues.
Speaker 3: I think that chukes. The core for Arkadan Wallace is
Speaker 3: he's played on the right side of her career. Like
Speaker 3: you play right guard and then go to right tackle.
Speaker 3: That's one that's it. That's an easier move. Yeah, going
Speaker 3: from right guard to to left tackle is a big, big,
Speaker 3: big change. It's just it's not worth putting all that on. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that the you know, that's the biggest thing
Speaker 3: is you know you do. I think that there were
Speaker 3: starting to get into a world in football where it's
Speaker 3: a little bit more even right tackle. Left tackle got
Speaker 3: blocked the same guys right and a lot of the time.
Speaker 3: Now there are guys in in that are specifically guys
Speaker 3: that like rushing over the right tackle. TJ. Watt is
Speaker 3: one of them. He's one of those guys that prefers,
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, probably you know which hand is down,
Speaker 3: which foot is forward, you know, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: He prefers to rush all over the right tackle. So
Speaker 3: certain matchups, the right tackle is going to have the
Speaker 3: harder matchup. It's not like it used to be, you know,
Speaker 3: back in the day with like Lawrence Taylor and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. They always put him on the blind side
Speaker 3: and that was what it was. Right Now, guys are
Speaker 3: more preference based. I think Max Crosby is another one
Speaker 3: that likes to rush over the right tackle more than
Speaker 3: the left side. You know, those two guys are to
Speaker 3: the best pass rushers in the NFL. Von Miller was
Speaker 3: notoriously a right tackle pass rush. Yeah, so we're talking
Speaker 3: about some of the best of the best over the
Speaker 3: last you know, decade in the league that have rushed
Speaker 3: over the right tackle. So it's not universal. So I
Speaker 3: understand what the question, you know is a good question.
Speaker 3: I just think that that's a very big undertaking for
Speaker 3: on Wenny, and I think his skill set fits more
Speaker 3: on the right side than the left side, which is
Speaker 3: what I think that they are getting at all. Right,
Speaker 3: this is a question from Nathaniel. He's asking when it
Speaker 3: comes to position coaches, what kind of technique instruction are
Speaker 3: they doing versus the you know, the the trainers, the
Speaker 3: off the site trainers, you know, like the Quincy Avery's
Speaker 3: of the world, or the Jordan Palmers or like those
Speaker 3: types of guys. It's an interesting question, and I think
Speaker 3: what you know, he's asking more about receivers, but even
Speaker 3: offensive line he mentioned Chukes a Corps four talking about
Speaker 3: Scott Peters being like a technician and things like that.
Speaker 3: I think what's really interesting more about this question than
Speaker 3: what they're actually doing. You know, the coaches, they're good coaches.
Speaker 3: They understand their technique of their positions. They're talking footwork,
Speaker 3: they're talking hand placement for receivers. It's really looking down
Speaker 3: into three different categories release, top of the route, catch point, right, Like,
Speaker 3: those are the three different things that you're really drilling
Speaker 3: a ton. I think the interesting thing about quarterback though,
Speaker 3: and you hear about this a little bit happening. You
Speaker 3: got to make sure that whoever Drake may is working
Speaker 3: with outside the facility when he goes between training a
Speaker 3: mini camp and training camp, like in the month of June,
Speaker 3: you know, and the beginning of July. I'm assuming he's
Speaker 3: gonna go work with Clyde Christensen down at North Carolina.
Speaker 3: Is who's been his guy. I don't know that for
Speaker 3: a fact, but I would assume that's who it would be.
Speaker 3: You definitely have to make sure that you're teaching the
Speaker 3: same things. If he's going to Jordan Palmer and Jordan
Speaker 3: Palmer is telling him to do one thing, but then
Speaker 3: Alex van pel is telling him to do another, then
Speaker 3: you have a problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's why a lot of the time with Bill. That
Speaker 3: was the whole Alex Guerrero thing, right, was that Bill
Speaker 3: wanted Brady to follow his regiment. Alex Guerrero did things
Speaker 3: a little bit differently. Now, Guerrero was more physical training
Speaker 3: than he was like quarterback technique and things like that,
Speaker 3: but in general, like that was the whole argument that
Speaker 3: they were having was Brady wasn't lifting weights and he
Speaker 3: wasn't doing all that kind of stuff. He was doing
Speaker 3: his own program. Uh. You got to make sure everybody's
Speaker 3: on the same program. And that's the biggest thing. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the coaches here, the position coaches this time of year,
Speaker 3: not necessarily in season. In season, your your game planning,
Speaker 3: you're scouting opponents. You're talking about you know, TJ. Watt
Speaker 3: and what his go to pass rush move is. You're
Speaker 3: not talking about hands and feet and all that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff, But that's what you do this time of
Speaker 3: your pad level, hands, feet, shoulders, angles, you know, angles
Speaker 3: into blocks, you know what those types of things like
Speaker 3: all that's all what goes into offensive line and I
Speaker 3: think Scott Pierre is gonna do a good job with that.
Speaker 3: A few other things about OTAs here on my list,
Speaker 3: got pull up my list. What'd you think about juju? Uh?
Speaker 3: And what do we think about juju? I think this
Speaker 3: is a topic. You know, people are talking about this
Speaker 3: a little bit. He had some things to say, you know,
Speaker 3: talked about now he's a hunter percent versus being sixty
Speaker 3: percent this time last year. He also said the vibes,
Speaker 3: the vibes in the locker room are are immaculate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. Uh, I just are you gonna you?
Speaker 1: You were you claim that you were quite the shooter.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna ask for for a shot on the
Speaker 1: basketball open there? I claim to be quite the shooter?
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 3: You said you could hit a three in an NBA
Speaker 3: game if I was wide open? How are you getting open?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stand in the corner. Do you know how
Speaker 3: fast these guys are gonna stand in the corner. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be long these guys. I couldn't hit some of
Speaker 3: the threes that Peyton, Pritchard and Sam Houser hit where
Speaker 3: there's nobody within ten there's nobody within ten three of
Speaker 3: them because Jason Tatum's got four guys converging on him
Speaker 3: in the lane. And you don't think I alright, So
Speaker 3: at some point this year, when the whole team's in
Speaker 3: the locker room, I want you to call for the
Speaker 3: ball and get a shot up. All right?
Speaker 2: You got?
Speaker 3: I want to see that you got. Vibes are so good.
Speaker 3: The vibes, Uh, you're the two things I'll say about dude.
Speaker 3: You won. If he's gonna be because of the money,
Speaker 3: which is a possibility, like it's a ten million dollar,
Speaker 3: ten and a half million dollar dead cap hit, just
Speaker 3: walk away from him. I maybe he's could get traded.
Speaker 3: I doubt it. I think you also have to factor
Speaker 3: in the fact that Kendrick Bourne might not be ready
Speaker 3: for the start of the season, so that opens up
Speaker 3: a spot for a short term spot for somebody like Juju.
Speaker 3: All things created equal, If Juju Smith Schuster is healthy
Speaker 3: and they're getting Kansas City Juju Smith Schuster, that's a
Speaker 3: good football player. Like I understand that we're all sour
Speaker 3: on Juju from last year. It was a disaster. It
Speaker 3: was it was horrible, all true. But if he's if
Speaker 3: it was truly health related and his knee is truly better,
Speaker 3: then I don't know, Like it's not a bad thing
Speaker 3: to have another thing, it's not.
Speaker 1: I just how does he make the team? Because you're
Speaker 1: gonna have you know, Pop and Borner locks, and I
Speaker 1: think Bourne will be ready. You have Pop and Borner locks.
Speaker 1: The two rookies are obviously locks. kJ Osbourne, we think
Speaker 1: more likely than is going to make the team because
Speaker 1: of his tracked his.
Speaker 3: Contracts easier to walk away from than Juju's.
Speaker 1: All right, so he's you basically have kJ Osborne, Juju
Speaker 1: Smith Schuster, Taekwon Thornton, Jalen Rager, for the last spot.
Speaker 1: Keep mind, Jalen, I don't think you're keeping six. If
Speaker 1: they keep then all right, then for two spots Jalen
Speaker 1: Rager can return kicks. Yeah, kJ Osbourne was chosen by
Speaker 1: this front office unlike the other three.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: I just think it's an uphill battle. I think the
Speaker 1: best case scenario is Juju looks healthier in camp and
Speaker 1: they trade him. I think that's the best case scenario.
Speaker 3: I agree that it's an uphill battle.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: I will say, though you know you're talking about earlier.
Speaker 3: The type of receivers, yeah, fit, he kind of fits.
Speaker 3: He kind of fits. He's a bigger, thicker guy than
Speaker 3: the boss that's physical. This goes back to the reps.
Speaker 1: I want Jalen Polk on the field. I agree, And
Speaker 1: there there's overlap there. I want Jalen, want Jalen Pol playing.
Speaker 3: The type of receivers that have succeeded in this offense.
Speaker 3: He's more of a fit for this offense than he
Speaker 3: was for the Bill O'Brien. I get that, But I
Speaker 3: play the kids and I'll say the same thing about Taekwon.
Speaker 3: But we're not doing Taekwon again.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing He's got no guaranteed money on his contract.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be really tough.
Speaker 3: But for him, somebody, they don't have burners other than him,
Speaker 3: unless you want to count Pop, who's like a different kind.
Speaker 1: Of I actually think Rager would make the team over
Speaker 1: over to like the same speed, but he has their
Speaker 1: returnability and there's your burner.
Speaker 3: Somebody has got to hold the post Taekwan. But Taekwon
Speaker 3: dos got to hold the post. Javon Baker. I think
Speaker 3: Jayvon Baker is gonna hold the post at four or
Speaker 3: five four. But he's that deep. You gotta be honest
Speaker 3: about him deep even without his speed. I who talked
Speaker 3: about this? Wh when he drafted? Are they gonna keep
Speaker 3: Thornton just to run win sprints? Maybe we talked about
Speaker 3: this when he was drafted. He was drafted for this system,
Speaker 3: like you, they thought they were gonna go this way
Speaker 3: with Matt Patricia. If there's a system that Taekwon all
Speaker 3: right now just keeping six seven receivers, like, let me
Speaker 3: put this guy, let me put you this way. Yeah,
Speaker 3: if there was a system that Taekwon Thornton was gonna
Speaker 3: be a successful NFL player in it's this sounds like
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm just telling you from I'm not telling
Speaker 3: you that he's gonna be able to do it, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you from a stylistic perspective. Because all
Speaker 3: this offense is on first and second down is play
Speaker 3: action bootleg and we're running. We're running across the field.
Speaker 3: That's it. They're not gonna ask him to break down
Speaker 3: to the top of the route. They're not gonna ask
Speaker 3: him to run an option with you know, a three
Speaker 3: way go and you have to decide and you have
Speaker 3: to make a move and you have to get open.
Speaker 3: They're gonna say, you have the deep over, you have
Speaker 3: the underneath cross, or you have the slide route, you know,
Speaker 3: the submarine route at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4: Go.
Speaker 3: That's all they're gonna tell them. And at four two eight,
Speaker 3: that's what that does. Right now, he's got to go
Speaker 3: out there and actually play well and catch the ball
Speaker 3: and catch the ball and not get hurt every time
Speaker 3: he falls to the ground. Right Like, that's that's on him.
Speaker 3: That's up. And I'm not doing it in that respect,
Speaker 3: like I gotta have to see it to believe it. There,
Speaker 3: But in terms of stylistic fit him and as you
Speaker 3: are not terrible fits for what they're gonna try to
Speaker 3: do offensively. That's it. That's all. I'm saying. You gotta
Speaker 3: cut somebody.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if if they move on from
Speaker 1: kJ Osborne, who's new, or they bury the rookies just
Speaker 1: to go back to Juju Smith Schuster just to go
Speaker 1: back to Taekwon Thornton and it doesn't work.
Speaker 3: That's such a rough look. That's such a bad look.
Speaker 3: I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to give I'm making the case for Taekwon.
Speaker 3: That's out. I'm not saying that I want like I
Speaker 3: think it's gonna happen. I'm just make I think.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna end up being the rookies, pop Born,
Speaker 1: Osbourne and maybe Riger I think those are your receivers.
Speaker 3: If they feel like Rager still translates on this new
Speaker 3: kickoff role, he should, He really should. Then he'll make
Speaker 3: the team. He key apps. This is is so perfect
Speaker 3: for him.
Speaker 1: He really should, unless they feel like Marcus Jones is
Speaker 1: just gonna hand because they have other guys that can
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, best thing, he's got to be better
Speaker 1: at it than Marcus Jones. He's gonna be better. I'd
Speaker 1: give Antonio Gibson a look. I think it's a good
Speaker 1: fit for his skill set. Uh, I wouldn't try pot.
Speaker 1: It's a good fit for pop skills set. But he
Speaker 1: gets hurt a lot.
Speaker 3: He's a small guys. It's a good shout because it's
Speaker 3: a running back thing, but he's got speed like it's
Speaker 3: even maybe you know, you might be the one who does.
Speaker 1: Talking to somebody who was talking to people at Florida
Speaker 1: State who were like really excited about Shaheen Bell, was
Speaker 1: that you in this in this format.
Speaker 3: I don't know. You know he would have the ability
Speaker 3: to maybe like returning chunks. Yeah, I don't think he
Speaker 3: would have the breakaway speed to like hit an eight
Speaker 3: ninety five yard return.
Speaker 1: There might be some teams, and we'll see if the
Speaker 1: Patriots are one of these, because everybody's gonna have a
Speaker 1: different approach to this, and just from some people I've
Speaker 1: talked to, right, I think there's gonna be teams to
Speaker 1: look at it and say we want a home run
Speaker 1: hitter back there. We can set up home run plays.
Speaker 1: But the thing about setting up the home run plays,
Speaker 1: they don't always work. There may be some teams to
Speaker 1: look at it and say, we can scheme this up
Speaker 1: that we start with the ball the forty yard line every.
Speaker 3: Time, right, twenty twenty five yard chunk.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: And if that's what you're looking for, like Jahem Bell
Speaker 3: is that guy, you go to look at him at
Speaker 3: South Carolina as a running back, Yeah, and then you
Speaker 3: look at some of the scheme touches that they gave
Speaker 3: him at Florida State. If you're if you're one of
Speaker 3: those teams that is okay with the fact that he's
Speaker 3: gonna get coffrom behind, so you're not gonna have the
Speaker 3: house calls, but you might have those fifteen to twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five yard chunk. Las average is gonna be more
Speaker 3: reflective of what he thinks. Right, you have two guys.
Speaker 1: One guy has a five yard return and an eighty
Speaker 1: five yard return and he averages right forty yards per return,
Speaker 1: or you have a guy that averages thirty, but he's
Speaker 1: actually returning the ball thirty yards every time. Who would
Speaker 1: you rather have? It's gonna be really interesting to see
Speaker 1: how all the teams scheme this up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe it or not. That was actually one
Speaker 3: of my notes was that we didn't see any kickoffs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and my guess is that they're still holding that back
Speaker 3: a little bit. They're working on that.
Speaker 1: I'm so interested, man, I know, but like I'm so
Speaker 1: interested in what that's gonna look like.
Speaker 3: That's it. That's all you get on there. You're not
Speaker 3: a little interested. I'm interested, but we haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 3: But okay, so I well let me ad minutes lefter.
Speaker 3: I don't want to spend twenty on on the kick.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I don't think we've actually had this conversation before.
Speaker 1: You love de X's nose, and you've always talked about
Speaker 1: in a whiteboard and hear and actually draw on stuff up.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: If you were, you understand the rules, you see the rules, yep.
Speaker 1: What would your approach be to this? How would you
Speaker 1: scheme it up? I think there's two different approaches, okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: The first one that I would try is I would
Speaker 1: run it like power, where I'd have a double team
Speaker 1: at the point of attack and then pull somebody through
Speaker 1: the middle of it and have that be the lead
Speaker 1: blocker that against them through the line of scrimmage. Because
Speaker 1: really what you're trying to do is get them through
Speaker 1: a line of scrimmage, right, that's what you're trying to accomplish.
Speaker 1: So by folding the defense and then having somebody pull through,
Speaker 1: now you have that ability to get that alley going, right.
Speaker 1: That's that would be my first approach. The second approach,
Speaker 1: which is going to take some cahone Yeah, is reverses.
Speaker 3: So I was gonna say whatever I'm doing because there's
Speaker 3: two you can either have ten on the line and
Speaker 3: one back or nine on the line and two back. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I would be a nine and two team. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 3: I would always and I'm not going to run the
Speaker 3: reverse every time, but I would always have the threat
Speaker 3: of it. Have it, have it there, and you can
Speaker 3: get the looks, you can fake the reverses and they
Speaker 3: can hold the backside. Yeah. Yeah, that's that. I think
Speaker 3: to me, that is going to be the hardest if
Speaker 3: you can execute it well enough. Yeah, that would be
Speaker 3: the hardest thing to defend.
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe that's what you do where you have
Speaker 1: your home run guy is one of the guys back,
Speaker 1: and then you're you know, more consistent, you know, put
Speaker 1: Jalen Rager in one spot, Shaheen Bell and the other
Speaker 1: and now they have to be ready for both and
Speaker 1: if you really want the home run, you run the
Speaker 1: reverse with with Ray or around Bell, things like that.
Speaker 1: Coverage wise, I would almost play it like zone. I
Speaker 1: would actually drop like three different layers. I would layer it.
Speaker 1: I would actually drop some guys back and maybe you
Speaker 1: can see a little bit of yardage, but I know
Speaker 1: I'm from watching the XFL.
Speaker 3: I remember this.
Speaker 1: There were teams that would just initiate contact at at
Speaker 1: the catch, and the problem is you have everybody moving
Speaker 1: forward and it's one guy, or you get clumped together
Speaker 1: or something right that one guy screws up and now
Speaker 1: it's the kicker. And that's one other thing I would
Speaker 1: do with this, and we've talked a little bit about this.
Speaker 1: I would figure out between the kicker and the punter,
Speaker 1: who's the better tackler, because that's gonna matter.
Speaker 3: Now, Oh that's gotta be a bearinger Rolin's tiny. Well,
Speaker 3: we don't who the kicker is gonna be. That's fair.
Speaker 3: I would think bearer is a better tackler between those two.
Speaker 3: The layer is in it. I think an interesting theory.
Speaker 3: I would play it like instead of playing it like
Speaker 3: get like gap, Like all right, you're gonna fill this gap.
Speaker 3: You're gonna fill this gap. I would be you just
Speaker 3: occupy blocks, right, you occupy box in this area. You
Speaker 3: go in this area.
Speaker 1: I'm bringing a couple guys. Maybe you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: drop back five yards on the initial and you're gonna
Speaker 1: kind of play behind.
Speaker 3: Use the linebackers for that. That's how i'd cover it.
Speaker 1: I would not try playing gap because you blow one gap,
Speaker 1: that's where those home runs are gonna be. I would
Speaker 1: play it a little bit safer, maybe concede a little
Speaker 1: bit more return, but limit the ability for the big play.
Speaker 3: And I know I said we're not gonna do fifteen
Speaker 3: minutes on this, but last thing on this, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: really fascinated about this is what we did. This is like,
Speaker 3: I'm real fascinated about the body types that they use
Speaker 3: because I think you got to vary it well. I'm
Speaker 3: more talking about body types at the point of attack
Speaker 3: because now I think you're in a world where, like
Speaker 3: is Devon Godshow going to be on kickoffs. I think
Speaker 3: you need to be more mobile than that. Anthony Jennings,
Speaker 3: Isy Jennings so ke On White. White's the kind of
Speaker 3: guy Anthony Jennings.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna put a tackle out there
Speaker 1: because remember there's still ten yards apart.
Speaker 3: I know, but if teams do what I think they're
Speaker 3: gonna do, which is and they start doubling at the
Speaker 3: point of attack, I just think there's a lot of
Speaker 3: that going on that's gonna go on. It's to me,
Speaker 3: it's a run play.
Speaker 1: But he So if I see the Devon Gotcha out there,
Speaker 1: because remember it's spread out the length of the field,
Speaker 1: it's not narrow like a like a scrimmage making, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna single block Devon Gotscha and make him chase down
Speaker 1: the returner. Yeah, that that's fair. So I think I
Speaker 1: look at edge setters as edge setters. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they'll put Juwan Bentley out there just because the
Speaker 1: injury risk.
Speaker 3: But maybe, like you know, I think linebackers like I
Speaker 3: think like Taki Taki Jennings Kean is a good call,
Speaker 3: like I think.
Speaker 1: Those honestly, who's a fantastic for this, so he's gonna
Speaker 1: get special. I think it's it's edge defenders, maybe some
Speaker 1: of your more athletic defensive ends and box safeties. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be your coverage team, and then your return team
Speaker 1: is gonna be tight end like not the returners, like
Speaker 1: the up guys.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be tight ends.
Speaker 1: And I think you might see teams carry more tight
Speaker 1: ends now because they can block on the run. They're
Speaker 1: good at blocking in the run. It's gonna be tight
Speaker 1: ends and you're more athletic tackles. Yeah, I agree with that,
Speaker 1: and maybe if you have like an h back kind
Speaker 1: of guy.
Speaker 3: A couple more things. It was great to see Christian
Speaker 3: Gonzalez back out there looking like Christian Gonzales. Yeah, Christian
Speaker 3: Gonzalez move like he moves. He's just a freaking awesome
Speaker 3: athlete to watch in practice. So he's ice skating, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he He had a couple of reps that they're doing
Speaker 3: positional drills and just he's doing like a mirror drill
Speaker 3: and just how side to side movement that he can
Speaker 3: just pull out and flip his hips and get up
Speaker 3: the field so smoothly. Yeah, that that I could. You know,
Speaker 3: I gotta be careful and not get in a room
Speaker 3: by myself on Christian Zalez, you know like that that
Speaker 3: guy moves like a ballerina. I is it hyperbole to
Speaker 3: say that Christian Gonzales might be the best player on
Speaker 3: the Patriots right now. I mean, they're just sample sized,
Speaker 3: just really isn't there when I watch their practices. And granted,
Speaker 3: the other guy I think that's in the running wasn't
Speaker 3: there in Judan And he's also just not gonna be
Speaker 3: this type, like he's not gonna be a ballerina on
Speaker 3: a practice field type of player. But when I watch
Speaker 3: their practices, there's one guy to me that consistently moves
Speaker 3: different from everybody else, and it's Gonzales. Like he's the
Speaker 3: He's the one guy that I look at and I'm like,
Speaker 3: that is a stud athlete, like that is a blue
Speaker 3: chip NFL athlete. The other guys I think are all
Speaker 3: kind of clustered together, you know, as solid NFL athletes,
Speaker 3: good NFL athletes. I think Christian Gonzales moves the best
Speaker 3: out of anybody on the Patriots roster. He's just an
Speaker 3: excellent movement.
Speaker 1: So I'm not willing to say he's the best player
Speaker 1: right now, because again that that sample sizes by the
Speaker 1: end of the year, there's a real chance by the
Speaker 1: end of the year we're saying he's the best.
Speaker 3: But I I need a little see a little more
Speaker 3: before I say something like that. Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: All this is an interesting which just from the YouTube
Speaker 1: comments on the kick return thing. Jotham Russell, rugby player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like, I feel like the pitch, the pitch
Speaker 3: is gonna be a thing, and like executing the pitches
Speaker 3: like a rugby player would. I know this is maybe
Speaker 3: more talking about like tackling and stuff like that maybe,
Speaker 3: but excellent executing a Rugby style pitch as a part
Speaker 3: of this whole thing, I think would really be advantageous.
Speaker 3: Like I think you could really do some damage with
Speaker 3: that because especially.
Speaker 1: Well so there was one team that Ascent, they had
Speaker 1: the two returners back and essentially ran it like a
Speaker 1: read option.
Speaker 3: Right, that's what they do in rugby. Like I'm not
Speaker 3: a I'm not a big rugby guy. Uh, college roommate
Speaker 3: played rugby in college. I want I way to go
Speaker 3: to a couple of their games and he you know,
Speaker 3: they obviously have it's like a it's like an option pitch,
Speaker 3: and you know they'll have somebody kind of running a
Speaker 3: little bit behind the guy with the ball on the outside.
Speaker 3: If you can two on one somebody on the outside
Speaker 3: in this situation and then execute the pitch, then that
Speaker 3: guy's gone, like that's how they score in rugby.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can't be excited about it.
Speaker 1: Excited No, No, I know I know you are, But
Speaker 1: like people in try to like, oh, it's gonna be annoying.
Speaker 1: This is it's a real football play. This is a
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, it's gimmicky, like it lookskimmy. I
Speaker 1: understand that it looks gimmicky once you get past the
Speaker 1: initial aesthetic of it. This is a real football play
Speaker 1: that's going to be going on, and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: interesting to see how different teams try to skim.
Speaker 3: To me, if there's anything that it's the most like,
Speaker 3: it reminds me the most of rugby. And if if
Speaker 3: you can execute that pitch and like I said, you
Speaker 3: can two on one somebody on the outside, like that's
Speaker 3: how like a ton of tries, as they called him
Speaker 3: are scored in rugby, is by getting out on the perimeter.
Speaker 3: Then you two on one somebody and you pitch it
Speaker 3: to the guy or you keep it, you know, if
Speaker 3: he jumps the pitch and then you're off a couple
Speaker 3: of other things really quickly here as we wrap it up,
Speaker 3: we mentioned this earlier in the show, just slot corner,
Speaker 3: outside Corner, that kind of thing. Alex Austin and Marco Wilson.
Speaker 3: I love that. I love giving those guys the opportunity
Speaker 3: at outside Corner my ideal. And I know you touched
Speaker 3: on this too. Yeah, Gonzales obviously is going to be
Speaker 3: one spot. Maybe Austin or someone you know emerges for
Speaker 3: the other spot, and then you can kick Jay Jones
Speaker 3: back inside.
Speaker 1: I think you're looking at it, Austin, Marco Wilson, will
Speaker 1: see if Isaiah Bolden can pick up where he left
Speaker 1: off last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe those I would throw a dial in there too,
Speaker 3: all right, Mikey Victor, we can keep going on, Mikey
Speaker 3: Victor dial. Did you even watch him or not? Not
Speaker 3: at time? All right? Maybe like one game, he's got
Speaker 3: the size that I'm like, all right, let's see what
Speaker 3: it looks like the other thing. Keon White still, I'm
Speaker 3: still wondering with Kean White. Love his attitude. I think
Speaker 3: that there's a skill set there. I'm fascinated to see
Speaker 3: if they can He's a tweeter and I'm fascinated to
Speaker 3: see if they can get it out of him to
Speaker 3: be a consistent impact player. He's got tools, and he's
Speaker 3: got he's got that. He's definitely got the the intangible
Speaker 3: stuff right Like he's just he's ready to run through
Speaker 3: a you know who, his face, you know But I
Speaker 3: think the biggest thing with him is is he gonna
Speaker 3: stand up? Is he gonna have his hand in the dirt?
Speaker 3: If he does both, is he ever gonna be effective
Speaker 3: enough to do him both at a high level? Like
Speaker 3: I still am concerned about where he fits, how he fits,
Speaker 3: and if they're gonna be able to figure him out.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a tough one to figure out because
Speaker 3: he's a little too light. If you ask me to
Speaker 3: be a three four end, Like playing three four end
Speaker 3: at two eighty five is gonna be tough unless they're
Speaker 3: truly allowing him to shoot gaps consistently. I've talked about
Speaker 3: being more aggressive. That's gonna be tough too, Like you're
Speaker 3: gonna get double teamed and you're gonna get blown off
Speaker 3: the ball at two at eighty five in a two
Speaker 3: gapping scheme. Being up on his feet at two eighty five,
Speaker 3: Now you're talking about being too heavy to be up
Speaker 3: in space and up on your feet. I like him.
Speaker 3: I like his attitude. He's a fun player to think about. Conceptually,
Speaker 3: I just don't know where he fits in this defense,
Speaker 3: like in a three to four, in a true odd
Speaker 3: front mechanic defense. I just don't know exactly where he
Speaker 3: fits in this whole out. The other thing I wrote
Speaker 3: down was Devon Godshaw's situation. I think that this bear
Speaker 3: is watching. I think we all know that Judan situation
Speaker 3: bears watching. Devon Godshaw's in the last year of his
Speaker 3: contract with the Patriots, and I think he's looking through
Speaker 3: for a new deal. So I I'm I think this
Speaker 3: is guaranteed money this year. It's an opinion, Okay, don't
Speaker 3: don't aggregate me, all right, but I think that Devon
Speaker 3: Godshaw's situation is more than just like he's a veteran
Speaker 3: that doesn't feel like showing up totas Like I think
Speaker 3: they're a little bit something there. And when you start
Speaker 3: to play Jenga with the Patriots defense, you moved on
Speaker 3: from Lawrence Guy, which I think was an okay and
Speaker 3: sort of right thing to do. You pulled Van Gotcha
Speaker 3: out of that. You pulled Jude on it like you're
Speaker 3: starting to pull some veteran staples, you know, guys that
Speaker 3: you can really count on, you know, reliable players on
Speaker 3: that defense. So I'm interested to see what ends up
Speaker 3: happening where to me, we.
Speaker 1: Talked about nose tackle or at least defensive tackle being
Speaker 1: like a sneaky need for them this offseason.
Speaker 3: They never really addressed it. So he's got to be here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's got to be here. He's not on the same
Speaker 3: level as Judon in this respect, but in a smaller
Speaker 3: sense if they wanted to have any chance of being
Speaker 3: competitive next year, I feel like they still have to
Speaker 3: hang on to some of these piece, these veteran guys.
Speaker 3: Judaan is a bigger piece obviously, but on a smaller scale,
Speaker 3: a guy like Godshaw I think is still important. He's
Speaker 3: only twenty nine, so it's you can give him a
Speaker 3: couple of years too. Yeah, I think I think he
Speaker 3: wants wants the mula all right. Before we wrap it up,
Speaker 3: Connor from Florida is asking the real questions of us
Speaker 3: out okay, and that is of the Boston Celtics and
Speaker 3: what is going on at TV Guarden. You knew I
Speaker 3: had to hit on this, Yeah, I thought Jwash, Jake Bates,
Speaker 3: I did, I did hear and people are tagging me
Speaker 3: on Twitter, but uh, Connor is talking about the national
Speaker 3: media and their reaction to Jason Tatum. I am not
Speaker 3: ready to pick on the national media yet because I've
Speaker 3: seen this movie before. You pick on the national media
Speaker 3: and everybody that doubted you after you win the title,
Speaker 3: like when we're all at the start talking. But when
Speaker 3: we're all at the parade in three weeks, that is
Speaker 3: when you can start picking on everybody, right, Like when
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen with the Patriots when they rattled off
Speaker 3: the last Super Bowl. That's when we made the shirts
Speaker 3: and got Nick Wright and Colin Coward and all these cacks. Right,
Speaker 3: Wait until you win the ring. Then you brag. Then
Speaker 3: you put everybody in their place. But that being said,
Speaker 3: you covered the game on Tuesday. I was at the
Speaker 3: game him as a fan on Tuesday. One of the
Speaker 3: best live basketball games I've probably been to in quite
Speaker 3: a while, probably since Like the Paul Pierce KG Celtics
Speaker 3: atmosphere was off the off the change.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with these crowd mics,
Speaker 1: Like it's not coming across on TV the way I
Speaker 1: mean that that building was electric.
Speaker 3: It was electric. I we are obviously not old enough
Speaker 3: to see have seen Larry Bird play with our own eyes, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: but I've seen the highlight of Larry Bird stealing the
Speaker 3: ball underneath the basket and passing it to DJ a
Speaker 3: million times. And the Jalen Brown steal Pascal Siakam play
Speaker 3: was so remedy. I know he didn't score right off
Speaker 3: of it, but it was very reminiscent of that where
Speaker 3: the game was over for all intents and purposes and
Speaker 3: they literally stole the game. UH from UH Detroit back
Speaker 3: then with Larry Bird and and from UH Indiana on
Speaker 3: on Tuesday night. Great atmosphere. I think that two biggest
Speaker 3: moments that were when they got the ball back, you know,
Speaker 3: late before the Jalen Brown shot. I got a little excited.
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, like you still got a chance.
Speaker 3: Isn't over yet. Then they hit the shot and I
Speaker 3: did a fist pump or something. You know, I was
Speaker 3: pretty excited. When Jason Tatum hit the three in overtime
Speaker 3: to give them the four point lead, I went crazy,
Speaker 3: like that was when I lost my mind because that
Speaker 3: was when I was like, oh my god, they're actually
Speaker 3: gonna win this freaking game. So that was incredible. I
Speaker 3: think this series is going to be very similar to
Speaker 3: remember that Brooklyn series in twenty twenty two. They swept
Speaker 3: Brooklyn in the first round, but each game was pretty
Speaker 3: close competitive, so it wasn't it wasn't like a true
Speaker 3: like butt kicking. It was honestly a very competitive sweep.
Speaker 3: If you can have one of those. I wonder if
Speaker 3: this series is gonna be like that, where like each
Speaker 3: game is gonna be a bar fight to quote KG. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but the Celtics are just the more veteran, savvy, better
Speaker 3: team and they're just gonna end up winning some of
Speaker 3: these those games that the Pacers just fumble the ball
Speaker 3: literally Tyres Halliburton. H. So I wonder if this is
Speaker 3: gonna be that kind of series. Yeah, we'll see. I
Speaker 3: The big thing for me, like Miles Turner killed them
Speaker 3: in game one him and in Siakam they're they're pick
Speaker 3: and roll defense, and I was watching I watched the
Speaker 3: game last night with the Western Conference. You got a
Speaker 3: scout ahead for the finals, right, give me the all
Speaker 3: ten Evan. If they don't figure out their pick and
Speaker 3: roll defense and then they play Luca and Kyrie in
Speaker 3: the finals, they're gonna have issue.
Speaker 1: Well, I think what makes it tough they're getting to
Speaker 1: taste their own medicine here because you have Miles Turner.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a seven footer, but like six ten,
Speaker 1: six eleven, right long, dude, you can't like Dallas doesn't
Speaker 1: have Karl Anthony Towns. Would concern me more because Karl
Speaker 1: Anthony town is a big dudoo can shoot Miles Turner
Speaker 1: six eleven. You want to play drop coverage on the
Speaker 1: big guy, but he can just hit the shot if
Speaker 1: you play drop coverage on him. And that's what they've
Speaker 1: done to teams with Porzingis all the year. And that's
Speaker 1: why I don't think this is a week they need
Speaker 1: Porzingis to counter guy like Turner. Turner is gonna win
Speaker 1: the Pacers a game at some point in the series.
Speaker 1: It'll probably be tonight. Just given the way these game
Speaker 1: twos have gone, I like them tonight. I think the
Speaker 1: Celtics we've been.
Speaker 3: Game too. I think they wanted they're wearing different jerseys.
Speaker 1: They know this is an issue, like they I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but I think and they talked
Speaker 1: a lot about that after Game one. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: I just think if they had Porzingis, I'd feel much
Speaker 1: more confident. This is the first time that really because
Speaker 1: Jared Allen was out right that Cleveland series. I think
Speaker 1: this is the first time they're really being tested in
Speaker 1: terms of a big man, especially a big man that
Speaker 1: can stretch the floor without Porzingis, and you saw his
Speaker 1: absence much more. Now they're getting Xavier Tillman back tonight,
Speaker 1: so maybe that helps because that's kind of Tillman's role.
Speaker 1: And he missed he had personal reasons he missed Game one.
Speaker 1: But I still think Turner can. I'm surprised Pacers went
Speaker 1: away from Turner as much as they did in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter of that game. Turner can still be an
Speaker 1: X factor.
Speaker 3: All right. That it for Patriots Catch twenty two. You
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