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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bart.

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Speaker 3: Everybody nailed it. He joined as always by our bar.

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Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. Why did he

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Speaker 3: quit because he was getting Yes, because he's getting wrap

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Speaker 3: quit rap beat out of him. He didn't want to

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Speaker 3: play football anymore because he was getting the crap beat

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Speaker 3: out of him. I disagree with that. I think Andrew

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Speaker 3: Luck just didn't want to play anymore because he was

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Speaker 3: going out there every Sunday. I disagreed off. I think

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Speaker 3: he just didn't want to play anymore. I'll tell you

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Speaker 3: why he didn't want to play. He quit like ten

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Speaker 3: years or he couldn't. He couldn't play.

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Speaker 1: He was so hurt. He was not Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: a bizarre take. Andrew Luck was not fine.

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Speaker 3: Do you think I could get through the show today

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Speaker 3: without without pissing people off out? Without getting somebody through

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Speaker 3: that right on Twitter, right on Twitter, right on Twitter,

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Speaker 3: And and then they'll tell us that they don't listen

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Speaker 3: to the show, right they don't listen to the show.

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Speaker 3: But we're going to post things that you say on No.

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Speaker 1: I think I think the account that posts has been

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Speaker 3: Let's not give any credit. I'm just saying I'm not

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Speaker 3: gonna piss anything. I'm not gonna press anybody off.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: I love our listening, especially if they're gonna throw you

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Speaker 3: I love our listeners. But I feel like once I

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Speaker 1: You took something that is settled fact and you had

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Speaker 1: me debating it like it was a take. You heard

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Speaker 1: me in that clip say this is a weird take.

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Speaker 1: It was settled fact, and we're debating it like it

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Speaker 1: was a take that was that was something for me.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes some job sometimes, like you said, sometimes you have

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Speaker 3: to you have to exaggerate a little bit, and you

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Speaker 3: That's all all right? Anyways, Evan Lazar, Alex Bars Patriots

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Speaker 3: Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Here for you today. We are going to talk about

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Speaker 3: OTAs the first look at Patriots OTAs. Both Alex and

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Speaker 3: I were out there on Monday to watch the Patriots practice.

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Speaker 3: And I have a whole list of things I want

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Speaker 3: to get to and we'll get to those in a second.

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Speaker 3: here's where I want to start with Monday's practice. And

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Speaker 3: on Tuesday, Alex, I gave you this take off the

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Speaker 3: It was one practice. Let's see what next week. Will

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Speaker 3: on Tuesday. Basically, all I felt like was the big

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Speaker 3: But I think we both felt like this a little

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Speaker 3: I get that there's a rookies have to earn it.

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Speaker 3: There's a seniority about it. But I think one thing

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Speaker 3: you're not going to be giving the third string tackle

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Speaker 3: it furthers the point. A guy like Caiden Wallace who

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Speaker 3: So I think that that's the big takeaway that I

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Speaker 3: you're a draft and developed team, right. The rookies are

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Speaker 1: I do think it's important to put the caveat on

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Speaker 3: So maybe it was you know, day one.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna put the veterans out there, let

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Speaker 1: Out there next week and it's a ton of Drake Man,

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Speaker 3: So it's tough to say, but I do hope Caden

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Speaker 1: That that should be the third most important thing, right

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Speaker 3: You want to get May ready even quicker. So it

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Speaker 1: And right now you have ninety players on the roster,

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Speaker 1: but that's something I would like to see them at.

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Speaker 3: there's a method to the madness. If he's just all

431
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 3: of a sudden ticking, then that's a different story. But

432
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 3: I don't think that's what's going on. I think what's

433
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,719
Speaker 3: going on is that he is trying to que himself

434
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 3: up or have a rhythm to his motion so that

435
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 3: he's more mechanically sound through the motion. And that's exactly

436
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 3: why Brady used to do it. It was a rhythmic cue

437
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 3: for Brady, and Brady did it. And I know this

438
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 3: is not a great example because I know you're gonna

439
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 3: tell me he sucks. But I always remember there was

440
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 3: a segment, I think it was one like a Monday

441
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 3: night football broadcast or something like that, where they talked

442
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 3: to Jimmy g about tapping the ball and he said

443
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 3: that he always was told as a kid that was

444
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 3: a bad habit, don't do it. And then he got

445
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 3: to New England and Brady started tapping the ball and

446
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 3: he was like, well, I feel more comfortable, more natural

447
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 3: doing it, And this guy's tapping the ball and he's

448
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 3: winning super Bowls ever the other year, so I now

449
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 3: think that this is probably overrated in terms of it

450
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 3: being a bad thing.

451
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, it's are you if you're using it correctly,

452
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: it's fine. If it's just that one tap and go,

453
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 1: then there's actually a reason to it. It's when you

454
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 1: get in the pocket and you're doing it without purpose

455
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,959
Speaker 1: that it becomes an issue.

456
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So that that thing I put in the

457
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 3: bucket of non issue. I actually think that it's purposeful

458
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 3: that they're trying to do it with him. The one thing,

459
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 3: the two things that I put in that I think

460
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 3: really are things that I think need to be worked

461
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 3: on for him. The number one thing is the load

462
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 3: up to his throat, Like his release time and his

463
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 3: load up is it needs to be more efficient.

464
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Speaker 1: Well, he's never here's the one thing I will tell people.

465
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Speaker 1: He's never going to have the quickest release time because

466
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Speaker 1: he has.

467
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 3: Really long arms.

468
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and those quarterbacks like it's just your arm's got

469
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 1: to move, it's got to cover more distance. Yeah, So

470
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Speaker 1: he's always gonna have a little bit longer of a release,

471
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: but there are still ways he can cut it down.

472
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Speaker 3: So he's got a little bit of a hitch with

473
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 3: his shoulders. There's no doubt about that like when he

474
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: comes and he starts to separate his hands and he

475
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: comes out, his whole shoulders kind of just like go up,

476
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 3: like his whole body goes up. And it's not a

477
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 3: very it's not an efficient or like smooth motion. So

478
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 3: that's going to have to be fixed because that those

479
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 3: split seconds in the NFL do matter, right. That's that's

480
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 3: the difference between a pass breakup and a completion in

481
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: a lot of cases. Now, some big arm quarterbacks like

482
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 3: Drake may get away with it because the ball is

483
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 3: they have such velocity on the throw that they can

484
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 3: make up for it with velocity. But I think that

485
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 3: those types of things ideally he would not be doing.

486
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 3: You know, the load up or the hitch that he

487
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 3: has when he goes into his throw is noticeable.

488
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 2: Uh.

489
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Speaker 1: Just to go back real quick to the tapping the ball,

490
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Speaker 1: because you just reminded me of this, because I think

491
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Speaker 1: this is the way some people see it when you

492
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, speeding up the release and cutting

493
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: down on it. Yeah, the tap is not extending the release. No,

494
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: Like you said, you're not throwing during that portion of

495
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: the release anyway, because you got to get your hips

496
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: going first, right, These are things that you're talking about

497
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: now where.

498
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 3: Talking about is actual.

499
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: He's adding steps to the throw and it's making the

500
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: throw take longer. So I think that's why some people

501
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 1: are concerned about the tapping the ball. Honestly, to bring

502
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: it all together is because they think it's an extra

503
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: step he's adding. You're not doing anything with the ball

504
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: in that point and release anyway, so it doesn't matter

505
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: whereas this stuff with the shoulders, you could just be

506
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: throwing the ball at that point.

507
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if so. Another thing, and I know

508
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 3: I keep on bringing up Brady is not to compare

509
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: the two of them like the career wise or anything

510
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 3: like that, but Brady's the best mechanical thrower I've ever seen,

511
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 3: so everything that he did had a purpose to it.

512
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 3: With his mechanics, he at some point in his career

513
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 3: changed having his front arm tucked in so he would

514
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 3: bring the ball back and it would be very efficient. Right,

515
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 3: Whereas with Drake May, when I see him bring the

516
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 3: ball back, I see his front hand go up. It's

517
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 3: like a baseball throw. Yeah, and that's why the motion

518
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: is like extended and the shoulders go up like this.

519
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:00,239
Speaker 2: Right.

520
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: So if you're able to maybe tuck in the hand

521
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 3: the front arm a little bit like Brady used to do,

522
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: and he used to put like a tennis ball or

523
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 3: something like that to keep his front shoulder. He actually

524
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: his left hand would usually end up like on his

525
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 3: right shoulder. Yeah. Yeah, so that's what I see with

526
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,479
Speaker 3: the shoulder hitch. I think that is legitimate that that

527
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: needs to be more efficient and cleaned up and be

528
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: a little bit quicker, because you're right, he is going

529
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: to have a little bit of a more of a looping,

530
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 3: longer release naturally. I mean, Josh, yeah, so too. If

531
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: you're just really efficient with your upper body though, and

532
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 3: everything is kind of level and there's no hitch to it,

533
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 3: then you he'll speed it up. That will speed it up,

534
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: and then he has the velocity that it's not going

535
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 3: to matter that he might be a little bit slower

536
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: to the point, you know, to the release point than

537
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 3: some other people.

538
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: Uh.

539
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: The other thing that I would say, and we talked

540
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 3: about this a little bit during practice, uh that I

541
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 3: noticed that I don't It depends on who you listen to,

542
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 3: you know. Some quarterback coaches don't think it's a big deal.

543
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: Some quarterback coaches think it's a big deal. I what

544
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: I see with Drake May a lot of the time

545
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 3: is that he'll tilt his shoulder backwards, so his front

546
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 3: shoulder is going to be up, like you know, backwards,

547
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 3: and his his lower shoulder, his back shoulder is going

548
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 3: to be lower, and you're you're tilting like on an

549
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 3: axis backwards, right. And when what happens with that when

550
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: you do that shoulder tilt is that it puts an

551
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: upward trajectory on the football. So the ball is just

552
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 3: naturally going to have more air under it because of

553
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: the way that you're throwing. Now, Paul brought up on

554
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 3: Tuesday's PU and I was talking about this that Drew

555
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: Brees used to do this. Yeah, but Drew Brees used

556
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: to do it because he was six feet tall.

557
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: But like, so you said, you don't remember Brady doing it.

558
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: I remember Brady. It was on the deep balls. But

559
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: I remember Brady doing this from time to time.

560
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 3: If he was loading up, like to throw like a

561
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: sixty five seventy yard bomb to Randy Moss. I'm sure

562
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: he did it. But when what you really are don't

563
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 3: want to see him do is do it on throws

564
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 3: that you don't need him to do that because you

565
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 3: want him to just drive the ball parallel. So I

566
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: feel like that will come.

567
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: Eliminating the shoulders will come with like you said, flying

568
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: that front arm out, Yeah, because if you're flying your

569
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: front arm out, the motion is kind of carrying you

570
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: that way. If you keep the left arm tucked in,

571
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: there isn't a ton of reason to lean back.

572
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just feel like he has such a good

573
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: arm that I don't think he needs the tilt right, So,

574
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: like he should be able to keep his shoulders even

575
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: and just drive the ball because if.

576
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: You're flying your left arm out, it's naturally gonna push

577
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: you back a little bit, right.

578
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, So maybe, like I'm saying, could the two be related.

579
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 3: It could be. I just noticed it on Monday, in particular,

580
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: when he would try to throw the ball down the

581
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: field a little bit more on some of the deeper throws,

582
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 3: that he was tilting back a lot, And I just

583
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 3: I don't think the biggest thing is is I don't

584
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 3: think he needs to do it, because I think he's

585
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 3: got enough arm strength to just do it without it.

586
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: And he's not gonna He's tall, so he's not gonna

587
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: have to worry about bat passes to the line of

588
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 3: scrimmage and things like that. The reason why Drew Brees

589
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 3: used to do it was to get it over the

590
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. Yeah, that's why he would do it.

591
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 3: Drake May is not going to have that problem. Shouldn't

592
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 3: At six foot four and a half, like he's gonna

593
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: be able to just throw the ball. So I would

594
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: put those two things in the category of needs to

595
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 3: be worked on. And I think the biggest thing that

596
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 3: I came away from this just to wrap this whole

597
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: thing up and put a bow on it, is that

598
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: I come away from these two exposures to Drake May,

599
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: you know, rookie Mini Camp and Monday, I'm less concerned

600
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: now about the footwork and more kind of concerned about

601
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: the his throwing footwork. Looks like they've made like significant Yeah,

602
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: the footwork looks a lot better. I think maybe in

603
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: the draft evaluation, I because I wasn't watching it up

604
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: close and I was just watching it on film, I

605
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 3: don't know if I necessarily noticed how much the motion

606
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: itself needs to be in I'll say this too.

607
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: This might be a minor thing, but I noticed it

608
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: about both rookie quarterbacks strong cadence. Those guys come to line,

609
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: they get it out. Yeah, and that may sound like yeah, no, dull,

610
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: like they're playing quarterback. You'd be surprised how many young quarterbacks,

611
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: especially with all these college teams now where they go

612
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: silent count and I guess they'll get rid of this now.

613
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: But like the plays on the cards, everybody kind of

614
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: knows what's going on, and you've got the clap, the clap,

615
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: cadence and all that. Yeah, you know, I've heard of

616
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: examples where they have to really drill any kids when

617
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: they get into the league, like what goes into calling

618
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: out of cadence. Both these guys May Milton, they're they're

619
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: they're barking it out. They're out there, they're giving a

620
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: strong cadence. H you know, every you can hear it

621
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: all the way on the other end of the field.

622
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: It's with purpose, it's with confidence. Don't sleep on that.

623
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: That's a good sign this early.

624
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of West Coast coaches are really

625
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 3: big on cadence. Yeah. Also having you know, Dak Prescott's okay,

626
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: here we go, right, everybody makes fun of it, but

627
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: there's a lot of you know, West Coast coaches, which

628
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 3: is what Mike McCarthy is and comes from this tree

629
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: with Van Pelton everybody. They're really big on cadence. And

630
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: my guess is that a lot of the quarterbacks behind

631
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: the scenes, like Jacoby Brissett Drake may are probably trying

632
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 3: to have similar cues and cadences so that it's all

633
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: the same no matter who's under center. So that's a

634
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: very very big thing I think for a lot of

635
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: West Coast coaches.

636
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: Well, I would just throw into the McCarthy angle. Who

637
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: worked with Rogers. We know Rogers uses the cadence as

638
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: a weapon. Yeah, in terms of getting guys to jump

639
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: off side, because you know with Dak, it was the

640
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: it's the okay, here we go. Aaron Rodgers, I don't

641
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: remember what it is, but he has his own one,

642
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: and so like defensive players used to tee off on it,

643
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: like okay, with Snap's coming, so he used to write

644
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: you dummy snacks.

645
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: Well, so so Dak has said this, Okay, here we go.

646
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: When he says that, basically, what that means is because

647
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: there's other people the lines communicating, the receivers might be

648
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: talking okay, here we go. When Dak says that it's

649
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: everybody else on the field from here.

650
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: I'm talking. Now, you're done with your adjustments. It's on me.

651
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: Except there is I think, a dummy call before it

652
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: where he can say okay, here we go and essentially

653
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: fake the snap. Rogers has a similar thing too, and

654
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: so wouldn't surprise me if they're coaching Drake may On like,

655
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: because that's the thing. Some quarterbacks are lazy with the cadence.

656
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: They go up and they're all right, yahy twenty two

657
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: and so and then they call Hyke. But it's like,

658
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, the hut or whatever it is, sounds different

659
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: than everything else, whereas with a guy like Rogers, with

660
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: a guy like Dak, it all.

661
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: Sounds the same.

662
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: It's all said with the same volume, with the same energy,

663
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: and it makes it that much tougher for the defense

664
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: line up. I know this sounds super super minor. This

665
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: is as in the weeds as we get. But this

666
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: stuff can matter, and you know, it's good to see

667
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks understanding that. I think with Milton Date, they

668
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: use the cadence in certain ways of Tennessee. It's probably

669
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: a little less of an adjustment for him. But again

670
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: for both these guys, come out strong, cadence. You hear

671
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: some things where guys don't always come out of college

672
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: understanding the importance of that part of the game. And

673
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: it feels like with May and Milton they've drilled it

674
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: in easy.

675
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all this fundamental stuff is why people This

676
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 3: is why I harp on the reps, right, because all

677
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: these fundament This is the time of year to be

678
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 3: working on these fundamental things. This is the time of

679
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 3: year to start tweaking a little. And you know, you know,

680
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: I said that we have to be careful of how

681
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: we assess Drake May, and I also say that the

682
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: Patriots have to be careful with how much they try

683
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: to tweak. You have to pick, and this is why

684
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: I wanted to put things in buckets, you know, like

685
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: what's important what's not. And I'm just giving you my opinion.

686
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure that they have a laundry list of things

687
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: that they feel like need to be fixed, and I'm

688
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: you know, missing a bunch of them. But you have

689
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: to pick, like a handful. You can't try to completely

690
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: change everything that the kid does, right, you have to

691
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: try it, because then he's going to become robotic and

692
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 3: he's not going to be himself and he's going to

693
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 3: feel off and it's not gonna work. So you have

694
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: to pick a few things to try to harp on

695
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 3: on what he could really fix and what he you know,

696
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: what we should really not be so concerned about. And

697
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: I think that's important as well, so that strike may

698
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 3: before we open up the phone lines and everything. I

699
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: do also want to talk about the offensive line here briefly. Obviously,

700
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: we got the news from Drod Mayo before practice that

701
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: Cole Strange is month to month, and I and Rapaport

702
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: added to that that there's some doubt about cold Strange's

703
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: availability to start the year the regular season in September.

704
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: So this is a big topic of both the whole

705
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,239
Speaker 3: cold Strange experience since a minute they drafted him and

706
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: Sean McVay and let's need we're up there laughing at

707
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: them drafting him on draft night in twenty twenty teens.

708
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: Round yeah, today, where there's a conversation about just the

709
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: pick itself, Cole Strange's future, but also you know, obviously

710
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: what the team is going to look like without him

711
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: comes September. I think the biggest thing is and I

712
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: understand that you can't hold this against Elliott Wolf necessarily

713
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 3: because he wasn't the one making the final calls in

714
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: all these situations. And it's not about holding it against anybody,

715
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 3: but the Cold Strange pick has had such a giant

716
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 3: domino effect on a lot of their decision making when

717
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: it comes to the draft over the last couple of years.

718
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: And to be fair, most first round picks, one way

719
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: or another do have a ton of domino effects.

720
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 4: Right.

721
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 3: It can be good, some can be bad. It's not

722
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 3: necessarily that they that Blaydon Robinson is like a bad

723
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: player or a bad prospect or a bad pick in

724
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 3: the fourth round. But these assets, it's about the assets, right,

725
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: It's who.

726
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: Could they have been taking if they weren't chasing their

727
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: tail at card Yeah? Really, I mean, honestly, if you

728
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: really want to go back, it goes back to trading

729
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: Shack Mason.

730
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, well, the domino effect of Joe Toney,

731
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: Shack Mason, Ted Karris creating all of this void. But

732
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: by not retaining those players or trading away one of

733
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: those pla and Jack Mason's case opened the door to

734
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 3: have to draft Cole Strange. We all knew at the

735
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 3: time Cole Strange was a reach and was a risky

736
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 3: pick at the time, and it's turned out that for

737
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 3: once in a blue moon, sometimes the media is right.

738
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 3: The media was right about this one, and that's gonna

739
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: be the one that people off the Yeah, and it's

740
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: it's not about blaming Elliott Wolf or this regime for

741
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: the Cole Strange pick in twenty twenty two, although they

742
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: were here. But it's not about blaming them for it.

743
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: It's just in revision is history, the domino effect of

744
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 3: like we said that the asset allocation, they've been chasing

745
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: their tail is a great way to put it. They've

746
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: been chasing their tail at Guard ever since because he

747
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: didn't fix the problem. So with that all being said,

748
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 3: what is Cole Strange's future on the Patriots, I think

749
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: is a really interesting question because can't make the club

750
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: from the tub, right, and even when he's been out there,

751
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: he's had some ups and downs. He was I think

752
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: he was starting to play a little bit better, yeah,

753
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: towards the end of the year last year before he

754
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 3: got hurt. But in general, I think that one of

755
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 3: the other things about Cold Strange that bugs me is

756
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: people that try to act like Cold Strange is good

757
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: when he's healthy. Cold Strange has been a inconsistent player

758
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: even when healthy. You know, some good, some bad, streaky,

759
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 3: I would say, you know, has some good film a

760
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: couple games in a row, and then we'll have a stinker.

761
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: You know that sort of thing. So I'm still not

762
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 3: sold even on a healthy Cold Strange being in a

763
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 3: starting guard in the league.

764
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: Well, here's what makes it so tough for me is

765
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: we talked last year about how when he struggled early,

766
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: how important the summer would have been for him and

767
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: how important training camp would have been for him, and

768
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: he lost that development window and it felt like he

769
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: was chasing until you got halfway into the year and

770
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: suddenly started playing a little better before he got hurt.

771
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: He's gonna miss this summer too. She's now gonna miss

772
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: this summer, another development window. And now next year he's

773
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: gonna be going into the final year contract at age

774
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: twenty seven, essentially having missed two full spring training camps,

775
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: which stunts a player's growth.

776
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: It does, It just does. That's what happens. He's undersized,

777
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 3: so you worry about his durability from that point. It's just.

778
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: Missing missing two training Camps is so much bigger than

779
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: I think people realize, especially for a player like that.

780
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: And if you know, there's a real chance that I

781
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: think we both think City Show.

782
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 3: Is a solid player.

783
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say Laden Robinson wins the other spot or

784
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: at some point takes it over from Nick LeVert or

785
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. I have to like double check myself every

786
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: time I say it. What are the chances of city

787
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: So in Lane Robinson proved? They're both starting caliber cards.

788
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: Both. Yeah, the odds are not in their favor. You

789
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: don't think so that both of them are starting calib

790
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 3: starting I'm not saying all pro but like you feel

791
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: good about him, I think we just just by the

792
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 3: sheer math of it, like they're all right.

793
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: Let me put it this way between City So, Leighton Robinson,

794
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: Nick Leverett. Yeah, what are the chances that they have

795
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: throw anybody else you want in there? At Tonio Maffi?

796
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: What are the chances that they have two guys that

797
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: we look at it, We get to like October and

798
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, all right, they're they're good at guard.

799
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 5: Man.

800
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: I love I love is a strong word. I like

801
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: City So. I think City So is gonna make it.

802
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 3: I think he'll be good. I watched them a Leverett

803
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: in Tampa when they signed him in a little bit.

804
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: I actually watched a little bit more yesterday because of

805
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 3: all this news that's going on with Cold Strange. His

806
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: Tampa film is rough, Okay, I think the biggest thing

807
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: that you see with his Tampa film is a lateral

808
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: movement skill, Like he's not. He's not very high level

809
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 3: pass protector because of his lateral movement and he's got

810
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 3: shorter arms, so he's got some trouble with guys getting

811
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 3: into him quickly as well. He's good run blocker. I

812
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: think I wouldn't call him a great run blocker, but

813
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: he's he's solid as a run blocker. He definitely has

814
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: the play strength to be a decent run blocker. Tampa

815
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 3: pulled him a lot like they they got him on

816
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: the move a little bit in the run game, and

817
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: he's got some of that ability certainly, But the pass

818
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: Pro film was pretty rough. I think that he's a

819
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 3: he's a third, you know, swing stuard, the backup type

820
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 3: of player.

821
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: So then maybe Cole Strange comes back and his job's

822
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: waiting for him. But yeah, if not, I hope Lane

823
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: Robinson ends up a starter. They took him with one

824
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: hundred third overall pick. That's high for guard. Like, there's

825
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: a chance that they have two starting guards and they

826
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: just don't need col Strange. If not, then they're gonna

827
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: keep him around because he has been you know, serviceable

828
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: when he plays, and maybe he actually gets into camp

829
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: next year bulks up a little bit, gets that development.

830
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: But I just his his his development's still stunted right

831
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: now from all the time he's missed. Yeah, and it's

832
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: it's tough to come back from that.

833
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: So last week I told everybody that I wasn't that

834
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 3: concerned about the offensive line. Yet this makes me more

835
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 3: concerned because now you're talking about two spots. Basically you're

836
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: talking about the whole left stone and really three what's

837
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: the third one? The other guard? Well, I think City

838
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 3: is gonna be okay there, all right, Well, I feel

839
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 3: good about David Andrews City and On being starting caliber

840
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: lineman for them, so whatever the configuration is, but I

841
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 3: feel good about those three. If I I on almost wonder,

842
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: and I think they did this on Monday, right, I

843
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: almost wonder if it's better to play City at left

844
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: guard and put Leverett in between Andrews and on. So

845
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 3: that's that's what they did. That's what they should do, right,

846
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: because you're kind of spacing out. If your whole left

847
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 3: side's a turnstile, then then that's a big, big problem.

848
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: And here's what worries me.

849
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: So you're your whole take last week because you believe

850
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: in Scott Peters and that's why you felt good about it.

851
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: And I'm not not and you know I'm a big believer.

852
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 3: And if it's one spot, yeah, you can cover one spot. Yeah,

853
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: But I look at it. You have.

854
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: At left tackle, you're either going to have a converted

855
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: right tackle, whether it's it's gonna be Dukes or Wallace,

856
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna be or you're gonna have well, but just

857
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: the guys they put out there right, you have you

858
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: have ocor four and Wallace who are converted right tackles,

859
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: or ve Darian Lowe who is a left tackle but

860
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: is a project player in his own reguard. You are

861
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: going to have a left guard who is moving from

862
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: playing right guard last year and he played left guard

863
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: in college. But the point it's like new position to

864
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: assignments your center's David Andrews you're fine there.

865
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 3: You're gonna have a.

866
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: Right guard that is probably a rookie or a second

867
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: year player who didn't play a ton last year, like

868
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: a project player there, or a career backup right. And

869
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: then your right tackle who is a good player. This

870
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: is his first offseason working exclusively at right tackles, so

871
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: there's a different sort of training there. So if you

872
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: look at it, there's development needed, like true hands on

873
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: development needed at four of the five spots.

874
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: Or starting to play Jenga here.

875
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: That's they are asking a ton of Scott Peters in

876
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: this offensive line coaching staff, and they actually have a

877
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: bunch of offensive line coaches, which maybe is part of the

878
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: reason their comfortable. Don't they have a third two I'm

879
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: trying to pull it up here. No, they said Michael McCarthy,

880
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: the guy they signed for Brown, who's like he's listed

881
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: as an offensive assistant. He's been a line coach career,

882
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: So they have they have a lot of guys there.

883
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: But you're at we'll see and maybe they're I'm not

884
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: saying they're not up for it. I'm not even saying

885
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: they're not good coaches, but they're asking that that offensive

886
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: coaching specifically offensive line coaches to do a.

887
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: Lot that we're starting to get into the territory nowhere

888
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 3: where my my I was at like a three last week.

889
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: Now when you start to really break it down, and

890
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: I don't think that even though it's it's super super

891
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 3: early for him in this transition, I didn't. I didn't

892
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: feel a whole lot of confidence coming from Choose the

893
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 3: Corra for post practice on Monday either about him playing

894
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 3: left tackle. He seemed like, Yep, this is gonna be

895
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a test, like this is gonna be

896
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 3: a He didn't sound super confident. No, So I feel

897
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: like we're starting to teeter a little bit, even for

898
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: me now, like I'm I'm up to probably like a

899
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: six or a seven on the concern scale. Like this

900
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: like doubled my level of concern. Not because of how high.

901
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 3: I mean, I've been clear that I'm not as super

902
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 3: high on col Strange as a player, But it's just

903
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: like you said, we're moving pieces around now, you have

904
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 3: younger players playing that don't have a ton of experience.

905
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 3: You're just starting to really shuffle the deck a lot,

906
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 3: which is I think the bigger concern. I will continue

907
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: to pound the table, continue to pound the table for

908
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: Mike On when new playing guard. That doesn't help you, Yes,

909
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 3: it does because it puts people in natural positions. And

910
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: then who's your right tackle? Wallace? All right? Yeah, but

911
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: now the line is a whole left to right, Chukes, City,

912
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 3: Andrews On Wallace, everybody is playing their natural spots. City

913
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 3: was a left guard in college. I know he's got

914
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 3: to learn at this level and played right guard last year,

915
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 3: but he was a left guard in college. I think

916
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: that's really where he feels more natural. Anyways, and I

917
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 3: keep saying it. You developed that line and the next year,

918
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: at the top of the draft, you draft Will Campbell

919
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 3: or Kelvin Banks junior, and he's your left tackle. I

920
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: just wish they drafted a left tackle. Yeah, I would

921
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: have obviously would have expedited things. But once you get

922
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: into the third round at sixty eight, when you really

923
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: start to think about it, if you have a much

924
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 3: higher grade on Caden Wallace, then you should have taken

925
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 3: Kaden Wallas. They should trade it up. They should have

926
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: Patrick Paul goes fifty five. There's a run coming. That's fair,

927
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: that's fair that it's a totally fair second guess of

928
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 3: how they handled it. Yeah, I just think.

929
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: That, like, k don't get this, Kane Wallace was the

930
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: best offensive lineman on the board at sixty eight.

931
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: I just don't love that they picked at sixty eight. Yeah.

932
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: I just feel like at this point you have to

933
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: almost cut your losses and just make the best out

934
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 3: of the situation. I think the way to make the

935
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: best out of the situation is to at least go

936
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 3: into the season with everybody playing a position they feel

937
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: comfortable with playing. And I also have been pretty surprised

938
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 3: that Annu doesn't look slimmed down or lighter or any

939
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: sort of like preparation for him to play. He looks

940
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 3: the same as he always does in terms of like

941
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,479
Speaker 3: being that you know, blocking guard build. I just feel

942
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: like that's not only do I think that that probably

943
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 3: has the highest ceiling in terms of the line this year,

944
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: but I also think that that is the best line

945
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: that you can have for the next three to five years. Yeah.

946
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: And we start talking about Drake May and his window

947
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 3: on the rookie contract and all that, Like, I feel

948
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: like that's the best thing. And if you have the

949
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: quarterback on the rookie contract, you can afford to pay

950
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: a guard eighteen nineteen million dollars a year like they're

951
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 3: paying Mike on Wenu, Like you can afford that at

952
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: this point in time, right, you have fifty million dollars

953
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: in cap space still and on May twenty third, So

954
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: money is not an issue about asset allocation and stuff

955
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 3: like that. We'll see what they end up doing. It's

956
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: right now, we're starting to get on mess territory with

957
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: the offensive line. We're starting to get there. I mean

958
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 3: you can say we're starting to get there. Been there.

959
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to get it all right, Let's take some

960
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: of these calls, and then we have a few more

961
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 3: things I wanted to get to on OTA's But Patrick

962
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: is in Pennsylvania. What's up? Patrick?

963
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 2: Hey?

964
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 5: Love gets twenty two keep up some great work. And

965
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 5: before I said a question, I agree with you, and

966
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 5: I think Goes chokes City Andrews on one who Wallace

967
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 5: put everybody in the right position. But my actual question is,

968
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 5: aside from maybe some of the offensive line and running

969
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 5: back depth, looking at defense outside of outside corner, is

970
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 5: there any other greater team needs than that? At this point,

971
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 5: I see a bunch of slock corners on the roster

972
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 5: not a lot of true outside guys or at least

973
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 5: proven guys. Do you realistically see us addressing that with

974
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 5: a veteran, whether that be Gilmore or somebody else, or

975
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 5: have you seen enough from practice to roll with Gonzo

976
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 5: and Johnson Jones at the outside and then a mix

977
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 5: of Marcus Jones, Dial Bolton, Austin, et cetera at the inside.

978
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, Yeah, thanks for the call of Patrick. I'm

979
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: not maybe this is mebe be naive like I was

980
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: with left tackle last week. I'm not necessarily concerned that

981
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 3: with outside corner or corner.

982
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: I say, it's the other way around. I think they

983
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: have more boundary corners and slot corners. You got Christian Sauce,

984
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: you got Alex Austin, You've got uh Marco Wilson right

985
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: can play on the boundary. I like this guy, Mikey

986
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: Victor of the UDFA they picked up. Jonathan Jones can

987
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: play on the boundary. Marcel's dials a boundary corner like

988
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: you got guys there. It's the slot. I did not

989
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: say Isaiah Bolden, but Denk I'd put him in that

990
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: group too. It's the slot that worries me more. You know,

991
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: maybe Jonathan Jones goes back in the slot and and

992
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: I guess that's my Mike on WNU at right guard

993
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: where it's like it's a slightly less impactful position. But

994
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: I just think the puzzle fits better if you do that.

995
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: But if it's not him, you know, I think Marcus

996
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: Jones can be a good slot corner, but he's a

997
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: small guy. Durability he's gonna be a question. And then

998
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: after that it really drops off in the slot. You know,

999
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: I Sean Wade has shown some some progress, but is

1000
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: he a guy you're really comfortable with being potentially your

1001
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: second slot corner. I think Caleb Ford dement to U

1002
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: DFA can play in the slot a little bit. But

1003
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: it really thins out that to me is now they

1004
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: could add a guy on the boundary, move John Jones

1005
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: back into the slot full time. You know, he had

1006
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 1: Steph Gilmore and and and now you're in good shape.

1007
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: So that's right, add the veteran the slots where they're

1008
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: where they're actually thinner, I think.

1009
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 3: So I guess maybe I just it's semantics, but like

1010
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: I don't really get caught up too much and inside

1011
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 3: outside right now, when it comes to corners because so

1012
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: many of these receivers travel in an hour. So like

1013
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: when you play Miami, Like, does it really make a

1014
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: difference if you have inside or outside guys like Jalen

1015
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: Wattle and Tyree kill are gonna line up.

1016
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: I think it's more at this point using those to

1017
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: describe the prototype of the player, the skill set, rather

1018
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: than the uh, you know, alignment.

1019
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: I hear you there. I just think that what I

1020
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: the way I look at it, and I think that, again,

1021
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: this is probably pretty semantics. But Gonzo's gonna take the

1022
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: top X receiver. Yes, right, so he's gonna take the

1023
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: top X receiver. Jonathan Jones is gonna take the top

1024
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 3: Z receiver. And in today's NFL, not that this is

1025
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 3: probably true always, It's just I only know today's NFL. Uh.

1026
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 3: The zero receiver travels like right, Like he's he's an

1027
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 3: off the line player for a reason. He's gonna be

1028
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: moving around. He's gonna play inside, he's gonna play outside.

1029
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: He's gonna play out of stacks, bunch of alignments. Uh,

1030
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 3: he's gonna come in motion like That's why he's playing

1031
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 3: off the line of scrimmage so that he can be

1032
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: a chess piece that they can move around. So in

1033
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 3: my mind, I actually think Jonathan Jones is excellent for

1034
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: that role. Now, if they play a team with a

1035
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 3: great Z receiver, you know, somebody that plays that role

1036
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: that is excellent at it. Maybe Gonzo takes that player

1037
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 3: that week. And then you start to get into the

1038
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: issues of Okay, well, now who plays the boundary, you know,

1039
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 3: permanently and all that. I get that, maybe you could

1040
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 3: get into that minutia. But to me, it's simple as

1041
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: Gonzo's gonna play the boundary. Jonathan Jones is gonna be

1042
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 3: the the shadow, right, He's going to run around with

1043
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 3: whoever's off the line of scrimmage. And then, like you said,

1044
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: the true slot is really the next trickle down, and

1045
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: I think that the ideally it's Marcus Jones, right, Ideally

1046
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 3: he steps out and I think he can do it,

1047
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: but he's got to be healthy.

1048
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: And then who do you have behind him, because right

1049
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: now it's Sean Wade And now you're starting to get into,

1050
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, being a little thing.

1051
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the one spot that I look at

1052
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 3: too is early downs, you know, first, second down. I

1053
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 3: think there's a really good chance that their three safety

1054
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: Nickel a lot, and you have like a slot defender

1055
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 3: instead of a corner and it's Gabriel Peppers or it's

1056
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 3: Kyle Duggar, you know, something like that. Yeah, but I

1057
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 3: hope it's sick because we've seen them do that in

1058
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 3: the past, over do that and they end up putting

1059
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 3: just guys that are too slow on burners. Yeah, if

1060
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 3: it ends up being you know, if you're playing a

1061
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: team that ends up just countering with eleven person out,

1062
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: then you have to match it with Trim Nickel. But

1063
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: I think that a lot of these teams that they

1064
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 3: play against that are going to be a little run

1065
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 3: heavy on early downs or play action run heavy, like

1066
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 3: that's going to be the sequel in their offense, or

1067
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 3: maybe the game plan that week is to play just

1068
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 3: a bunch of zone because they just feel like that's

1069
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 3: how they match up best against an opponent. I feel

1070
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: like that that three safety Nickel comes into play a lot,

1071
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: So I think that maybe that adds a little bit

1072
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 3: of depth to corner or slot corner, I should say,

1073
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,959
Speaker 3: just because the the safety is factoring just a little

1074
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 3: bit into how that's gonna work out. If you ask me,

1075
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 3: the spot on the defense that I feel is maybe

1076
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: the most vulnerable. I guess the way to put it

1077
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 3: is edge rusher. You only feel that way because they

1078
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 3: had nobody out there practice here. Maybe I just feel

1079
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: like it's the same as last year though, where if

1080
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 3: Judon gets hurt, like.

1081
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 1: Who, well, I mean, yeah, if you lose your best player,

1082
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: the defense is we're talking.

1083
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: About depth and that's how depth works, like you, and

1084
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: it's also not just about him getting hurt. If they

1085
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 3: have any plans of winning some games this year, yeah,

1086
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 3: then the Judon trade to me is off the table,

1087
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 3: Like you can't if you trade Judon, I don't know

1088
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 3: where you're getting the pass rush from, and I like

1089
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 3: supposed to. Yeah, but he's a situational guy. Like I'm

1090
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: talking about three downs and I know they have bar

1091
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 3: Moore in the middle, but I'm talking about from the outside,

1092
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 3: Like where does the pass rush come from? And this

1093
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 3: kind of goes to the Keon White point that I

1094
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 3: had written down as something I wanted to talk to

1095
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 3: as well. Uh, I just don't know where the pass

1096
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: rush on first down comes from outside of obviously the

1097
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 3: interior with bar Moore. If Judon's not on this football team,

1098
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 3: Like where it's not going to come from Jennings is

1099
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 3: not going to be on the field because he's not

1100
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 3: his situation. And I say, really change what they do

1101
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 3: from a front mechanic standpoint, which I don't think they're

1102
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: gonna do. And in terms of pure pass rush, I'm

1103
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 3: still not one hundred percent sold. That's Keon White's MO

1104
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 3: like he was pretty good at that last year before

1105
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 3: you got that concussion. I feel like, I feel like

1106
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 3: he's a disruptor, right, And there's a difference between being

1107
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 3: a disruptor and what Judon is. Judn's a sack artist. Yeah,

1108
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 3: but they've they've gotten by for years with disruptors. I

1109
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 3: guess I don't know.

1110
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't think you need I don't

1111
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: think you need two fifteen sack guys necessarily to be No.

1112
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 3: It's more just you know, kind of thinking about it

1113
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 3: without Judon, Like if Judni is traded or Judai gets

1114
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: hurt again, or whatever the case may be, I think

1115
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: you're back into a world, which is where I think

1116
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 3: they were last year, where the pressures has to be schemed.

1117
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: It has to be you know, simulated pressures, creepers, blitz

1118
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 3: is whatever. Well, the other thing I wish to and

1119
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: this goes back to my thing about the deep safety.

1120
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: Remember is his rookie year. They used to use Kyle

1121
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: Duggar's pass rusher. He's like pretty good at it.

1122
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 3: They could try to do that again.

1123
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: I would look, but then the problem is, all right,

1124
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: so now you've got to put Jabrill Pepper's on the

1125
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: back end where he's not as impactful as when he's

1126
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: playing near the line of scrimmage.

1127
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 3: I hate they don't have real free safety all right?

1128
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 3: Z is in Springfield? What's up?

1129
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 2: Z Hi? How you guys doing.

1130
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 5: Do you think they should trade a first and a

1131
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 5: fourth for T Higgins?

1132
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks for the call. Uh No, I would not

1133
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: trade a first round pick for T. Higgins. And it's

1134
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 3: not because I don't think that T Higgins could net

1135
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 3: a first round pick. The Patriots first round pick is

1136
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 3: going to be a top ten pick next year. Yeah.

1137
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 3: I don't think T Higgins is worth the eighth overall

1138
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 3: pick in the draft. I just don't. Now there's a line, right,

1139
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 3: Like there's there's certain players that I do think are

1140
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 3: worth Obviously I don't. This is I'm not saying it's

1141
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 3: happening by any means, But like Justin Jefferson is worth

1142
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 3: the eighth overall pick in the draft, I don't think

1143
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 3: T Higgins is there. I don't think Brandon Ayuk is

1144
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 3: there either. I think the starting point for the Patriots

1145
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 3: on a T. Higgins trade is their twenty twenty five

1146
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 3: second round pick and maybe the fourth round pick that

1147
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: he mentioned or something like that. But I can't part

1148
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 3: with a top ten pick in the draft for T. Higgins.

1149
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm not giving up a first round

1150
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: pick because of where that pick could be, second or fourth.

1151
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely I'd go out and get T Higgins because this

1152
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: whole thing looks so much more complete if you do that,

1153
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: But I'm not giving up a first round pack.

1154
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: For my other take on on the T Higgins Brandon

1155
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 3: Ayuk all that we all would love to have those

1156
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 3: guys on the Patriots team. Like you said, the whole

1157
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: thing looks a whole lot better. I do wonder if

1158
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 3: they're maybe a year away from that move, because I

1159
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 3: think in some respects we don't know when Drake May

1160
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 3: is gonna play. And as much as T Higgins will

1161
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 3: help Drake May in two years anyways, it's just a

1162
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 3: matter of when you know like that that sort of

1163
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 3: thing happens. That's fair, you know.

1164
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: I don't know that you need to be in the

1165
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: biggest rush to do it, especially when you look at

1166
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: the guys that are up next to especially.

1167
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 3: Because they have no intentions whatsoever of re signing him

1168
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: in Cincinnati, So like why pay? But he's not gonna

1169
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 3: hit the market. He's gonna get traded before he gets maybe,

1170
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 3: I mean he's he's gonna have to sign the tag

1171
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 3: and then he's gonna have to get traded on the tag.

1172
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 3: Like I it's a complicated that becomes complicated. These guys

1173
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 3: just don't hit free agency. I guess I'll believe it

1174
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 3: when I I don't necessarily think he's gonna hit with

1175
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 3: free agency either. I just I just think it's a

1176
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 3: little bit more of a complex situation than that. I

1177
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 3: just I look at it this year. I don't know

1178
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: if Drake May is gonna be ready to play right away.

1179
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 3: T Higgins with Jacobe Brissett, really like all that does

1180
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 3: for you is maybe give you one or two more wins,

1181
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 3: which puts your draft pick in a worse spot. And

1182
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 3: I also think that you got to see at receiver

1183
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 3: what Jalen Polk and Javon Baker have and that's true.

1184
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 3: And I'd also throw Pop Douglas in there too. You know,

1185
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: I always go back to the Green Bay comparison. If

1186
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 3: in a year from now, it Jalen Polk, Javon Baker

1187
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: and Pop Douglas look like Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs and

1188
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 3: Jayden Reid, then a player like T Higgins or Brandon

1189
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 3: night Yuka is like the cherry on top that maybe

1190
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 3: makes you like ridiculously good on offense.

1191
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: Right the trade the idea of like a second and

1192
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: a fourth for one of these top receivers, which seems

1193
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: to be about what it costs that should be on

1194
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: the table if it's not T Higgins right now, Like

1195
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that, but you look at the list

1196
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: of guys that are gonna be up nexture. I think

1197
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: Tara McLaurin got an extension right.

1198
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 3: He did recently. I don't know if it was this

1199
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 3: past Dk Metcalf.

1200
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 1: Dk Metcalf is a big one for me, Like DK

1201
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: Metcalf with Drake may would be I mean, talk about yeah,

1202
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: fit Terry Mclaurin's if I'm thinking the extension is gonna

1203
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: be up DJ Moore if they move on from him,

1204
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: because they got a bunch of good receivers, there's gonna

1205
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: be up. I don't think they're getting Garrett Wilson, but

1206
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: like j jaylen Wade because they're in the division. But

1207
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of good receivers that are going

1208
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: to be that like pending free agent trade candidate guy

1209
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: next year, so that that trade should be on the

1210
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: table if it's not T Higgins right now. To your point,

1211
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: I understand that, you know, maybe they want to see

1212
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: what they have this year, and if Drake May is

1213
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: not like this anyway, you don't have to rush into it.

1214
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: But when we get to the spring, when we get

1215
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: to the spring of twenty twenty five, I think that

1216
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: that becomes you know, guys like DK Metca, that should

1217
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: become a real conversation.

1218
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely, one hundred percent agree. I just look at it,

1219
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 3: and I look at this year, the twenty twenty four

1220
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: season as year zero. This is not I don't even

1221
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 3: look at this, no, no, it's it is. It is

1222
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 3: year Zero's the year that you're so bad you get

1223
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 3: the draft pick. I know, to me, this is year zero.

1224
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's year one. It's your it's the quarterbacks first year,

1225
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: it's year one. That's because he might not even play.

1226
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: You time it up to the rookie contract. That's just

1227
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: how year zero to me. No, okay, this is a

1228
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: full on developmental season.

1229
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 3: It can be year zero to you. I'm telling you.

1230
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 3: You know, having talked to people, the way that this

1231
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 3: thing goes, it's considered year one. Okay, well, I disagree

1232
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 3: with that. Here's here's the if you drafted a quarterback

1233
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 3: that was ready to play right out of the gate,

1234
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: you know, if it was Mac Jones two point zero,

1235
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 3: or if it was you know, Jayden Daniels, who I

1236
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 3: think we'll be probably ready to play right away for Washington,

1237
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 3: then I would agree that this is year one. But

1238
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 3: since you're probably going to plan on sitting Drake May

1239
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 3: for at least six to eight weeks like I, but

1240
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 3: you have to time it to his rookie contract. It's

1241
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 3: not I'm not necessarily the contract. I'm not necessarily talking

1242
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 3: about that. I'm just talking about the developmental cycle of

1243
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 3: the entire team. And I look at right now that

1244
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 3: I would like to see what the young receivers have.

1245
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 3: Sure I start playing that twenty five million dollars a year.

1246
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 3: What I'm telling you is they went to the double

1247
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 3: box in the video. That's how you know it's getting good.

1248
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: What I'm telling you is the way it's it's it's

1249
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: generally looked at Yeah, year zero is the year you're bad?

1250
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 3: Well, right, But why do I care how it's generally

1251
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 3: looked at it?

1252
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: Or because I'm educating the audience, because this is what

1253
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: the timeline should be for drafting quarterback?

1254
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 3: This is out should work. Year one is the quarterback

1255
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 3: a guy you're moving forwards with? Yes or no? Is

1256
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if we're going to have that answer

1257
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 3: because he might not play well, then they'll be behind schedule.

1258
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 3: But you I don't think they'll be behind that. You

1259
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 3: can find that out behind the Chiefs. Behind schedule, like,

1260
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 3: I don't think that means he's there nobody, but they

1261
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 3: clearly knew.

1262
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: We didn't see it because he wasn't playing in games.

1263
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: They moved on from Alex. They were comfortable they knew, okay,

1264
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: that Mahomes is the guy. So just because he doesn't

1265
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: play in games doesn't mean you don't know what you

1266
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: have in him at some point though at some point

1267
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: he has played the game at some point he does,

1268
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: and he's got to have like not saying that the

1269
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: Chiefs got lucky by any means, but like that technically

1270
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: could have gone either way still until he got into

1271
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: an NFL gave Now sure he played that last regular

1272
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: season he played. So and you're saying, Drake May might

1273
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: play six to eight, Drake May is playing this year.

1274
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna go seventeen years. So year

1275
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: one is, let me put it this way, If Drake

1276
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: May is is, if let's say worst case scenario, like

1277
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: he gets out of there and like this guy's not close,

1278
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: then you're not trading for DK Metcalf next year.

1279
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 3: Because you don't know. Because then if if you trade

1280
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 3: for dass trade, which happened what in between year two

1281
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 3: and three.

1282
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: For exactly, if if you're not confident in Drake Man

1283
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: you trade for DK Metcalf, you blew that asset when

1284
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: you might have to be picking another quarterback again in

1285
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: a year or two and now DK Metcalf's old and

1286
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 1: he's out of his problem and whatever.

1287
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: So that's kind of my point. Year one is is

1288
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 3: your quarterback the guy? Yes or no?

1289
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: Have you checked the first box in the rebuilt category.

1290
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: Year two, can you just be competitive? Can you may

1291
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: be surprised in a couple of games. Are you flirting

1292
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: with the playoff spot?

1293
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 3: Year three? You should be.

1294
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: This is when you should have that receiver in place.

1295
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: You should go and get that. All these quarterbacks go

1296
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: into year three, right.

1297
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 3: You gotta I think you gotta speed it up a

1298
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 3: little bit.

1299
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: Year three is when you should really be like you

1300
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: should be in the playoffs. You should be contending for

1301
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: your division. Years four and year five, that's your super

1302
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: Bowl window. That's your true super Bowl window. That is

1303
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: what the path should be for developing a young quarterback.

1304
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: With Mac Jones, they were ahead of schedule, they made

1305
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Year one peaked well exactly, they got a

1306
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: head of schedule. Well, I think they got a head

1307
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: of schedule and got a little too comfortable.

1308
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 3: They peaked.

1309
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: So let's just figure out this year. If they come

1310
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: away from this year and it can happen behind the scenes, Evan,

1311
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: we may not know it. If they can come away

1312
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: from this year that yes, we're gonna invest in Drake May,

1313
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna build this thing around Drake May. Then this

1314
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: year is a success. Then you go out and get

1315
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf. Then you go out and get your left

1316
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: tackle in the draft, and now you're starting on that

1317
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: upward trajectory of Okay, we know we have the guy.

1318
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: Now we've put the pieces around, and let's see what

1319
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: that looks like. Year three you finish rounding out the roster,

1320
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: and then year four and year five you're going for it.

1321
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 3: If they don't make the playoffs by year three, I

1322
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 3: don't know if maybe if you don't year three you

1323
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 3: should be in the playoffs. I don't know.

1324
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: If I was clear about that, I would say you

1325
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: should be contending for your division, but you should be

1326
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: in the playoffs.

1327
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 3: But if I just think that history tells us, and

1328
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,439
Speaker 3: maybe the craft will be more patient, but history tells

1329
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 3: us that it's really a two year window that you

1330
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 3: have to get the team.

1331
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: You're not If no, and I'm with you on that,

1332
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: and this timeline exists in that context, Yeah, if you're

1333
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: not in the playoffs in year three, you are behind schedule.

1334
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that you start talking about people's jobs

1335
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 3: at that point. I think the other thing that year

1336
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 3: two you should be like a borderline playoff team, Like

1337
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 3: maybe you sneak in said what the Patriots were Mac

1338
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 3: Jones rookie year is really what you want to be

1339
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 3: in year two. So we have two different models to

1340
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 3: kind of look at here. I think number one is

1341
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 3: what's going on right now with the Houston Texans. So

1342
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 3: the Houston Texans are their way ahead of schedule because

1343
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 3: of Stroud. But what they did was what I'm advocating

1344
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 3: for the Patriots to do this year, is they allowed

1345
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 3: Stroud to play with Nico Collins and Tank Dell. They

1346
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 3: realized that Nico Collins and Tank Dell are dudes, and

1347
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 3: then they made this to find trade to be the icing.

1348
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 3: I'm with you on that, and look the other model.

1349
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 3: The other model is the Buffalo Bills, who I believe

1350
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 3: it was between going into Josh Allen's third season if

1351
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 3: they traded for Diggs because they recognized that he needed

1352
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,479
Speaker 3: some development and he wasn't ready yet for that type

1353
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 3: of move. Whether he needs development or not, he should

1354
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 3: be trying to get him one of tho wide receivers.

1355
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 3: I think it matters. I think once you got into

1356
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 3: year two with Josh Allen, he showed some significant improvement

1357
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 3: wait and he started to play well, and then they

1358
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 3: recognized to your point of is he the guy or not?

1359
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 3: I don't think the Bills truly knew that Josh Allen

1360
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 3: was the guy or not until the end of his

1361
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 3: second season, right, So that's my point of why I

1362
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 3: like Josh Allen's rookie year. If they had made a

1363
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 3: snap like your point of can this guy hand can

1364
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 3: this guy be your quarterback? If they had made a

1365
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 3: judgment in a vacuum based off of Josh Allen's rookie season,

1366
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 3: the answer would have been now.

1367
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying you have to decide is he

1368
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: the guy? Yes or no after the first year. I'm saying,

1369
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: are you confident enough after the first year? Like you

1370
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: want to be confident enough after the first year. So

1371
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: they made the Digs trade going in a year three, right,

1372
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: because I think they were behind at one point Josh

1373
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: Allen was behind schedule. The Bills are behind schedule. I

1374
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: think you'd agree with me on that they didn't know

1375
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: after the first year. I don't think they were behind schedule.

1376
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: I think that they knew that they drafted like this

1377
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: raw developmental quarterback. Sure, okay, but here's my point. Can

1378
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: you see enough from Drake May where you're confident to

1379
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: make that trade going into year two instead of going

1380
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: into year three.

1381
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 3: That's basically my point. That's what happened with Stroud, Right, Well,

1382
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 3: so they well, but again because Josh Allen didn't check

1383
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 3: that first box until after year two, where you're kind

1384
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 3: of hoping to check it after year one, where it's

1385
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 3: just the reason why Josh Allen didn't check it though,

1386
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 3: and this is what I'm trying to get at, is

1387
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 3: because they knew going in that he had longer way

1388
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 3: to go than c J. Stroud did, so, right, so

1389
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 3: they that's the guy that Patriots drafted, So they drafted

1390
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 3: a guy that is Josh Allen, they didn't draft CJ.

1391
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 3: So you think there's a chance that we're not confident

1392
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 3: after this year that Drake May is the future. I

1393
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 3: think that there's a chance after this year that it's incomplete,

1394
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 3: that we just don't know yet. Okay, So yeah, that's

1395
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Yeah, but I don't But it's not

1396
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 3: like you're saying it to me, like you're saying it

1397
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 3: with a negative connotation. I don't necessarily think that that

1398
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 3: means it's a negative thing. I just think that when

1399
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 3: you look at developmental tracks like it's gonna take Drake

1400
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 3: May potentially longer to hit his ceiling then I took C. J.

1401
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 3: Stroud And but he doesn't need to hit his ceiling

1402
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 3: in order for you know what about I mean, like

1403
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 3: he hit his potential that you can feel good about.

1404
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 3: Does he show you enough? Here's what I'm saying, can

1405
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 3: he show you enough this year where you say, yeah,

1406
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 3: we're okay trading a second round pick for DK Metcalf

1407
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 3: because Drake May is going to be here being the

1408
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 3: guy throwing to him right, which means that he would

1409
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 3: have to have a season not not maybe not not

1410
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 3: necessarily as good because Stroud just no, one doesn't have

1411
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 3: to match straight, but.

1412
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: But's got to be in the ballpark. I felt after

1413
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: Mac Jones rookie year that yeah, this is a guy

1414
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: I'd go get help. I'm okay kind of blowing some

1415
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: future assets.

1416
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 3: Matt Jones solid rookie year. Though I think Drake May

1417
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 3: could do that. I don't disagree. I don't if he's

1418
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 3: given the opportunity. I don't think they're gonna give him

1419
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 3: the opportunity necessarily.

1420
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: But well, and then it goes back to can he

1421
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: show them enough? Behind the scenes where they're watching him

1422
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: in practice, saying, and if we go get him a

1423
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,439
Speaker 1: DK man, and I keep using DK Metcalf just because

1424
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: the contracts. Yeah, man, if we go get him a

1425
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, T Higgins right whoever, Like he's really gonna

1426
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: be able to do something.

1427
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you. And I also think there's a

1428
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 3: conversation that we can unpack it another day when we

1429
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 3: decide whether or not they're ready for this trade of

1430
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 3: the best stylistic fit for this type of offense and

1431
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 3: Drake May and all that kind of stuff. I hear

1432
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 3: what you're saying with DK. The downfield ability is definitely there.

1433
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 3: I do wonder if, like a more versatile player just

1434
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 3: for the system that they're gonna be running well. But

1435
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,439
Speaker 3: isn't the hope that Jalen Polk is that guy? Yeah,

1436
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 3: I could.

1437
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about with Metcalf.

1438
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: It's not just fitting the system, it's fitting the players

1439
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: they have in place. Because Polk is your Z Pop

1440
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: is your slot. So can you go get that true

1441
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: outside guy.

1442
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 3: I just wonder if this system, if there's if there

1443
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 3: really is a true outside guy, like if that's really

1444
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 3: how it's built like I look at Silly you want

1445
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 3: like another z well, I just it's not even just

1446
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 3: about like the position names. I'd just think that like

1447
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 3: you look at the receivers in San Francisco, the receivers

1448
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles with the rams, like those guys are

1449
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 3: you know a U Cooper cup Like they're these versatile

1450
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 3: guys that can play different spots, that can be inside,

1451
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 3: that can be outside, that can block in the run game.

1452
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 3: I know nobody cares about that here, but that's just

1453
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 3: the bottom line.

1454
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 2: You know.

1455
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 3: They're bigger, thicker receivers as well. I look at DK.

1456
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 3: I love DK, so I would put him out of

1457
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 3: it in a different category. I think he's a leade

1458
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,759
Speaker 3: elite and that means that he's one of those guys

1459
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 3: that you just make it work, you know, that type

1460
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 3: of player. I look at t Higgins though, and I

1461
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 3: have a little minor little bit ahead. He's more that true,

1462
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 3: he's less versatile, yeah, but he's a fade jump ball,

1463
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 3: big body receiver like that's who That's what.

1464
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: He is, by the way, instead of just continuing to guess,

1465
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: because we have the power of the Internet, Terry McLaurin,

1466
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: because McLaurin would be that kind of guy, that kind

1467
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: of multiples, right. Yeah, So he's signed through twenty twenty

1468
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: five with a void year and twenty six, but he

1469
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: has no guaranteed money on his contract next year. So

1470
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: he's a guy I would think unless he gets a

1471
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: new like, he's gonna need a new contract one way

1472
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 1: or the other. Whether Washington gives it to or not

1473
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: is the question. But he's probably gonna be looking for

1474
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: a new contract next offseason. So that in theory, I mean,

1475
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: I think Terry is a great player.

1476
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 3: You love, you love Terry McClay. You're a big I'm

1477
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 3: a big Terry McLaurin guy. He should have been for

1478
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 3: all we want to second guess about, But why are

1479
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 3: the Commanders giving Like Jayden Daniels is in the same

1480
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,799
Speaker 3: spot that Drake may is in. Why would the Commanders

1481
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 3: be giving up receiver talent with a young quarterback.

1482
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: Because I'm like kind of with you, But also I

1483
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: wonder mclaurin's gonna be thirty. Do they see it as

1484
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna draft the guys so these two can develop

1485
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: together and maybe the Patriots they've drafted the guys.

1486
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 3: It's what John dottson there it's Terry McLaurin. I think

1487
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 3: there's a third guy. No, it was Curtis Samuel, who

1488
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 3: I think is gone now right, I'm pulling it up.

1489
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: But they may look at it and say, we want

1490
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: to draft the guy for Jane Daniels to develop with,

1491
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 1: where the Patriots look at it and say, we got

1492
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: two guys for him to develop with, but we need

1493
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: a veteran in that room as well. I'm just thinking

1494
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: it's they got Demmy Brown, Drake May's former team.

1495
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 3: I think Drake Mace Warmer maybe for like a year. Yeah, No,

1496
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 3: he wasn't. He was out in twenty twenty.

1497
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: Oh they have to mere Bird, Okay, one of the

1498
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,799
Speaker 1: mooset underrated players in the league, Jamison Crowd or Jahan dottson.

1499
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,959
Speaker 1: They drafted Luke McCaffrey, Terry McLaurin.

1500
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a scary room if you kind of that's

1501
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 3: a scary room if you take Terry McLaurin out, Like

1502
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 3: John Dotson is still an unknown to me, like I

1503
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 3: think he's probably gonna be well, but Evan, this is

1504
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 3: next year.

1505
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: So it's if you know you're getting a top forty pick, yeah,

1506
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,440
Speaker 1: and then it's we're gonna draft.

1507
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 3: A guy, and I don't know if I'm them. Jayden

1508
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 3: Daniels is ready like he's twenty. Maybe maybe I'm talking

1509
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 3: myself into it, but he's a good player. I wouldn't

1510
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 3: worry about it, all right. I know where you're gonna

1511
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 3: be a Memorial Day weekend, Alex. I think at the beach. Yeah.

1512
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 3: Memorial Day Weekend means that summer is upon us and

1513
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 3: you can dress your home to the nines with Summer

1514
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 3: of nine from Bob's Discount Furniture shot. Tons of styles

1515
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:07,839
Speaker 3: for every room like Bob's best selling mattresses, super relaxing

1516
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Speaker 3: reclining sofas, barbecue ready dining sets, and warm weather outdoor styles,

1517
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 3: all for nine ninety nine dollars or less. So stop

1518
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 3: in and stock up for summer at Bob's Discount Furniture,

1519
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 3: the official furniture store of the New England Patriots and

1520
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 3: uh my god, look outdoor furniture. Yeah you do, I

1521
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 3: don't know, do you? Yeah? For where get parents? Okay,

1522
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 3: that's nice, that's nice. Yeah, Well have you ever given

1523
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 3: them like we gave uh my parents, like the towels,

1524
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 3: like the nice like towels, and they got like their

1525
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 3: initials stitched into them and stuff like that. Now, is

1526
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 3: it like the stupid things like what do your parents

1527
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 3: need for like their their birthdays or anivisories like they

1528
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 3: they're they got, they got plenty, So it's like what

1529
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 3: do you give them? You give them stupid stuff for

1530
01:11:54,400 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 3: their second homes were spoiled. Anyways, let's let's take some

1531
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 3: more of these calls and emails and then we'll get

1532
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 3: to the last couple of things on my list. So

1533
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 3: if you want to call it, it's eight five to

1534
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 3: five PATS five hundred is the phone number, and our

1535
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 3: web radio Patriots dot Com is the email address, and

1536
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 3: Eldred's called in. I'm sure to talk about our receiver conversation.

1537
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 4: What's up?

1538
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 3: Aldred?

1539
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 2: Heyell, let's holl y'all doing, hey good, look good like

1540
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 2: you insight heaven a lot of things, But uh, I

1541
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 2: don't know. The comparison between what Strout did Strout did

1542
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 2: last year and May is like Apple's oranges, because Strout

1543
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 2: was a better passer and you know, championship wise whatever.

1544
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 2: But I do agree with you though, they need to

1545
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 2: give him more rep, you know, a lot more rep

1546
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 2: than baby Zappy, you know, if him and the other

1547
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 2: quarterback is split. It's been fine to be fine, but

1548
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 2: DK metcalf. I want him in twenty nineteen, but we

1549
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 2: got Harry, you know. So but next year I'll shoot

1550
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 2: for him. I'm like Alex Over, I'll shoot for him,

1551
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 2: you know, next year, not the third year, the second year.

1552
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 2: If Drake May's the man, So mother question is why

1553
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 2: your body is. I ain't nobody trying to put Milton

1554
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 2: into the picture or anything, because he got the same

1555
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 2: thing to work on to like Drake May, the short, short,

1556
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 2: accurate medium, you know, just the throws all that, you know,

1557
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 2: but they put one down but praise the other one,

1558
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 2: you know, like he can make all the throws, but

1559
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 2: both of them can, but they just ain't doing it

1560
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 2: equal enough or dedicated enough, you know what I mean?

1561
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 3: Right on point wise, Yeah, yeah, I look, I think

1562
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 3: it's a fair point, aldre Than thanks for the call

1563
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 3: as always of what's the difference I guess between Drake

1564
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 3: May and Joe Milton. Why did one go in the

1565
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 3: first round one go in the sixth round?

1566
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 2: Why?

1567
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 3: You know Deldrid's point. I actually think that a lot

1568
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 3: of people aren't writing off Joe Milton. I wish more

1569
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 3: people were writing off Joe Milton, But I think the

1570
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 3: biggest thing that you look at with those two guys

1571
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 3: is how they read the field. I think that Joe

1572
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 3: Milton in college, and we talked about this a little

1573
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 3: bit alex Is in the past, he's one of those guys.

1574
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,560
Speaker 3: And I don't mean to be mean, but like, you know,

1575
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 3: when you're playing Madden and the controller comes unplugged and

1576
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 3: like he's just kind of frozen there in the pocket

1577
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 3: and you're just like waiting and you're just like, oh,

1578
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 3: you know, trying to plug it back in and hit

1579
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 3: the button. Like that's what happens to Joe Milton a lot.

1580
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 3: He kind of becomes like a statue of he just

1581
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 3: kind of freezes up in the pocket. And I don't

1582
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 3: think his timing or his rhythm in the passing game

1583
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 3: is anywhere near as good as Drake May's was at

1584
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 3: North Carolina. And so really, when you talk about Joe Milton,

1585
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 3: you're really just talking about the raw arm talent with him,

1586
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 3: whereas I think Drake May has a lot of raw

1587
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 3: tools and intangible, you know, physical tools. But I also

1588
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 3: think that he's a little bit more of a natural quarterback.

1589
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 3: If that makes sense, like a more natural playmaker at

1590
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 3: the position, Whereas right now, I think Joe Milton's truly

1591
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 3: just a ball of clay. He's a big dude that's athletic,

1592
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 3: that throws the ball a mile like. I think that

1593
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 3: that's what he is, Whereas I think Drake May has

1594
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 3: true quarterback instincts and ability to read the field and

1595
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 3: timing and all that kind of.

1596
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Joe Milton has those things, he just

1597
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 1: doesn't display them as as, uh, what's what I'm looking

1598
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,440
Speaker 1: for consistently.

1599
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

1600
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: I just forgot that he's that word all the time.

1601
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 1: I think that's the difference. The other difference is where

1602
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,560
Speaker 1: you look. You try to look at which way the

1603
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: players are trending. And Joe Milton was in college for

1604
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: six years and is kind of still the same player

1605
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 1: he was when he was a freshman at Michigan.

1606
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 3: And he's older now.

1607
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: He's gonna be twenty five, right, so there's less runway there,

1608
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: whereas Drake May's twenty one, he's got more room to grow.

1609
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: So I think that's really the difference is one guy

1610
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: has a lot more time to improve the other one doesn't.

1611
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: And that's really what it comes down to.

1612
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, you know some people I talked to. I

1613
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 3: wrote both of these guys' profiles, So yeah, a lot

1614
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 3: of the guys that I talked to for Drake May

1615
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 3: said what you just said, which is that if you

1616
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 3: are on top of the fact that he lost his

1617
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 3: senior year of high school because of COVID, he really

1618
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 3: hasn't played a whole lot of football. He's only twenty

1619
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 3: one years old, twenty two years old, and he's only

1620
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 3: started I think it's four seasons between high school and college.

1621
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 3: He started two years in high school, then sophomore in

1622
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 3: junior year, COVID wipes out his senior year, and then

1623
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 3: he goes on to the North Carolina where he sits

1624
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 3: behind Sam Howell for a season, and then starts at

1625
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 3: North Carolina as a sophomore in a junior So he's

1626
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 3: only started four actual seasons of football. He hasn't played

1627
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 3: a ton and is already at this level. So that

1628
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 3: tells you that he's got a very very high ceiling,

1629
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 3: right as we Joe Milton, I think the one pushback

1630
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 3: that people had about it was is that there was

1631
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 3: a lot of just added circumstance that led to him

1632
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 3: having trouble sticking right in a program Michigan. In twenty twenty,

1633
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 3: the COVID shortened season. They played six games. He started

1634
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 3: five of them, and he didn't He wasn't great, and

1635
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 3: they decided to go in a different direction. But when

1636
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 3: you look at his skill set and the way he

1637
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 3: plays and what he's good at, like, is Joe Milton

1638
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 3: really a Jim Harbaugh quarterback? Like is he really one

1639
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 3: of those guys that, like, you know, Jim Harbaugh is

1640
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 3: like JJ McCarthy, right.

1641
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: Right, No, No, Jim Harbaugh's offense doesn't require throwing the

1642
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 1: ball more than ten yards out of the field, right,

1643
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: That's all Joe Milton wants to do.

1644
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just it didn't seem like a great stylistic

1645
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,560
Speaker 3: fit to begin with with Joe Milton. Who wants to

1646
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 3: you know, with Joe Milton, you play like an offense

1647
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 3: like Tennessee. It's Tennessee, it's tempo, it's down the field

1648
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 3: throws like that's what you want to do with Joe Milton.

1649
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 3: Michigan's under center, smash mouth football, old school offense was

1650
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 3: not a great stylistic fit. So I never really understood

1651
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 3: that to begin with. And so then he goes to Michigan.

1652
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 3: It sits behind some guys for what like a year

1653
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 3: or two there, or goes to Tennessee. No, I go

1654
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 3: to Michigan'm going Oh okay, start there, wins the job

1655
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, starts for five games in twenty twenty,

1656
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 3: and then transfers, right because it just it wasn't working out. Yeah,

1657
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 3: and so he transfers to Tennessee, wins the starting job

1658
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 3: at Tennessee, gets hurt Hennon Hooker takes the job from

1659
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 3: him and doesn't look back that, you know, doesn't let

1660
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 3: go of the Rams until Tennon Hooker goes to the NFL.

1661
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 3: So that lost another two years of development for Joe Miller. Right,

1662
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 3: So his final year six years later, you know, he's

1663
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 3: throwing passes to guys that have been in the NFL

1664
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 3: for like four years already in twenty twenty or whatever.

1665
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 3: And now he's you know, just getting strong balls at

1666
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 3: Juwan Jennings, right, yeah, getting a shot in twenty twenty

1667
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 3: four or twenty twenty three, excuse me, at Tennessee like that.

1668
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 3: So it wasn't necessarily Yes, you could make the argument

1669
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 3: that he wasn't good enough to like really take the

1670
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 3: reins of the position and take the bowl by the

1671
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 3: horns and keep it and maintain it. But I think

1672
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 3: that he was an odd stylistic fit at Michigan. He

1673
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 3: gets hurt, tweaks his ankle, and then Hennon Hooker comes

1674
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 3: in and has like the best season ever for a

1675
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 3: Tennessee quarterback. It's like, what are you supposed to do?

1676
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 3: So I think that there's a lot of those types

1677
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 3: of textual things that people push back on with Milton

1678
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 3: and said, just keep in mind that even though he

1679
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 3: was in college for six years and it seems like

1680
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 3: he's tapped out, he hasn't played a time, right, so

1681
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 3: you know, maybe there is some potential there with Joe Milton.

1682
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 3: So I just I just talked up Joe Millton for you.

1683
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:14,560
Speaker 3: There you go.

1684
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody like there's very few people are

1685
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 1: being realistic about Joe Milton, and it's it's hard to

1686
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 1: in both directions.

1687
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, in both directions. There's people saying he doesn't belong

1688
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 3: in the league.

1689
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 2: He does.

1690
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 3: He belongs in the NFL, absolutely belongs in the NFL.

1691
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 3: That arm belongs in the NFL. Yeah, but there's if

1692
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 3: the rest of it comes along.

1693
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: But there's also people who see, you know, a couple

1694
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: of clips from OTA's in wonder if he's pushing Drake

1695
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: May And I don't think that's the case either. College football.

1696
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: So this is where the college football thing comes in.

1697
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 1: There's a whole thing among college football fans the last

1698
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 1: couple years about the Joe Milton experience. Yeah, and most

1699
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 1: college football fans kind of figured out by the end

1700
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 1: with the dealers with Joe Milton. Watching Patriots fans experience

1701
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 1: the Joe Milton experience in real time is going to

1702
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 1: be very interesting.

1703
01:19:56,439 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 3: It's crazy. We see it practice like against air. Yeah,

1704
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 3: we've seen it. Throw to throw like he made an

1705
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 3: absolutely beautiful they're just throwing against air, routes against air.

1706
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 3: And beginning of practice on Monday, and he threw a

1707
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 3: beautiful deep ball, not the one that he threw the coach,

1708
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 3: I'm like to an actual receiver. Then you know, they

1709
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 3: changed sides, so he goes from throwing down the right

1710
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 3: sideline to throw down the left sideline to throw down

1711
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 3: the left sideline was like ten yards out of bounce,

1712
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 3: like you just like threw like over through the receiver

1713
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 3: by a mile and I'm like, well that's Joe, Like

1714
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 3: one is an absolute die. I'm like, couldn't throw it

1715
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 3: any more perfect? And then the next throw is just

1716
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 3: nowhere close, you know, And that's sort of what you

1717
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 3: mean by the Joe Milton's experience. David from San Jose

1718
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 3: asks would you extend Matthew Judon or Remandre Stevenson first? Like,

1719
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 3: which guy would you prioritize? Judon? Because he's not I

1720
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 3: don't think he's gonna play on his current deal. I'm

1721
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 3: with you, I would extend Judon as well. I also,

1722
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 3: you know me, you know where I'm going with this

1723
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 3: running back second contract. Running backs is not for me.

1724
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 3: I you know, I'm not against bringing Remondery if it's reasonable,

1725
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:02,560
Speaker 3: and I'm never against it, I'm not.

1726
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 1: I want to see Antonio Gibson. I think Antonio Gibson

1727
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 1: could be like sneaky, sneaky, really good. And if Gibson's

1728
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: a player, you know you don't. So I wouldn't extend

1729
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: Stevenson before the season.

1730
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 3: I just wouldn't.

1731
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean I'm again springing him back, but I

1732
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: don't think he's a guy that needs an extension right now.

1733
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 3: Jude On like needs an extension right now. Yeah, So

1734
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 3: I read a stat the other day that I didn't realize,

1735
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 3: and it is a little bit of a of a

1736
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 3: nerd stat for you. Antonio Gibson last year, Yeah, led

1737
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 3: the league all running backs in mistackles force per rush.

1738
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 3: So his elusiveness, right, I'll take that stat. That's a

1739
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 3: tangible stat. Elusiveness. Was there like a minimum carries on that?

1740
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 3: I think?

1741
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 4: So?

1742
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1743
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 3: Somebody just tweeted it out randomly. Elusiveness, speed, versatility. He's

1744
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 3: big too. I'm talking myself into it a little bit,

1745
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 3: being a you know, a sneaky good signing for them.

1746
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 3: I wonder if he only had sixty five carries last year, is.

1747
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: There is there a world though where he is closer? Actually,

1748
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 1: if was it was it per carrier, per touch, per carry?

1749
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 1: I think okay, because he only had sixty eight carries,

1750
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 1: but he caught forty eight passes.

1751
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 3: Is there a world where he's closer to what was

1752
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 3: it two years ago that he had the big year

1753
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 3: in Washington twenty one? Yeah, twenty one.

1754
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 1: He ran in sixteen games, ran for one thousand and

1755
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:21,719
Speaker 1: thirty seven yards, seven touchdowns, caught forty two passes.

1756
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 3: For another three hundred yards and three scores. I'm not

1757
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 3: sure he's gonna have the opportunity. He's not gonna get

1758
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 3: that kind of But is there a chance that he's

1759
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 3: in terms of efficiency and all that kind of stuff,

1760
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 3: is like more on par with that player than the

1761
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 3: one that got buried last year. Absolutely.

1762
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,720
Speaker 1: And look one change I'm hoping from, you know, with

1763
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: this new offensive coaching staff, and it's something that they

1764
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 1: did well in Cleveland the last two years. Evan, we

1765
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 1: come in here and it's like, you know, early October

1766
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: and I have to get my takeoff about too much

1767
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: m Andre Stevenson and you're going to run him into

1768
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 1: the ground.

1769
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 3: One it was making fun of me for caring about

1770
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 3: the running back depth. No, it's not even the depth.

1771
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 3: They had the depth, they just wouldn't give the ball

1772
01:22:58,600 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 3: to anybody else.

1773
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, remember that game against the Detroit two years

1774
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 1: ago where they're like up thirty with a minute ago

1775
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 1: and Kevin Harris is right there and they're still making

1776
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: Rimondre Stevenson run between the tackles like the Belichick thing. Right,

1777
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that this year. It's not that I

1778
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 1: don't think Rimondre is a good player, but I think realistically,

1779
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: if you scale back his workload a little bit, he'll

1780
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: be right more productive in the opportunities he has, and

1781
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: a guy like Antonio Gibson should give you an opportunity

1782
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: to do that without losing too much. So I two

1783
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five carries is a lot. I don't

1784
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: think he's getting that. You know, he's three hundred touches.

1785
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 3: I think he should be at one fifty. I'd say

1786
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 3: somewhere between one fifty and two hundred is a good

1787
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 3: number for him, just especially be based off of how

1788
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 3: much I think they're gonna want to run the ball

1789
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 3: in general. You know, look, Stevenson was Stevenson was I

1790
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 3: think eighth last year in touches because they're leading receiver too.

1791
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 3: I forgot hurt, or maybe when he got hurt, he

1792
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 3: was eighth in touches. I look at those two guys,

1793
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 3: and I don't know. I don't have the numbers right

1794
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 3: in front of me, So I don't know what Kareem

1795
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 3: Hunts volume was in Cleveland. But I think that their

1796
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 3: roles in terms of how they're used stylistically, are going

1797
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 3: to be very similar to Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt.

1798
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 3: You know, Kareem Hunt was more of like the sub

1799
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 3: package pass game back, and Nick Chubb was their work coorse.

1800
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 3: You know, he was their first and second down guy.

1801
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, there's a chance that Gibson

1802
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 3: has a little bit more volume. If remembering off the

1803
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 3: top of my head, I don't think Kareem Hunt touched

1804
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 3: the ball a ton in Cleveland, But in terms of

1805
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 3: how they're used schematically, I think it's going to be

1806
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 3: similar and Hareem Hunt had I'll tell you there might

1807
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 3: have been one year where they ran the crap out

1808
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 3: of the ball. I mean he had two hundred and

1809
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 3: thirty touches in twenty twenty. Yeah, had one hundred and

1810
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 3: fifty last two years.

1811
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: That's yeah, Yeah, That's where I think in Gibson is

1812
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: you want to so I was trying to find something.

1813
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 1: You want to hear something crazy. No qualifiers.

1814
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 3: Do you know who led the NFL in yards after

1815
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 3: contact per rush last year? Derrick Henry No, Christian McCaffrey.

1816
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: No qualifiers. It's Patriot Oh, no qualifiers. No qualifiers as

1817
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 1: a running back, well he's not a running back, but

1818
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: on rushes, Kendrick Nope, it was Taekwon Thornton. Oh, my god,

1819
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 1: Thornton because of that one run against Uh was it

1820
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,560
Speaker 1: the Chargers on he had on the end? Yeah, he

1821
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 1: had three carries for fifty one yards. Last year he

1822
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 1: averaged sixteen yards after contact for care doesn't count, all right,

1823
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: I mean I'm looking at it right here.

1824
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, because remember it was the Chargers, right, yeah, game,

1825
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 3: he had that one and he should have scored, but

1826
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 3: Devonte Parker stopped blocking his guy for some reason. Gary

1827
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 3: emails in Brandon Bolden was top twenty, particularly in the

1828
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 3: first practice of staff needed to figure out who and

1829
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 3: what to prioritize and the rest of OTAs. That determination

1830
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 3: is the first of many important influences on the decision

1831
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 3: of which three qbs to keep. Okay, you read that

1832
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 3: really quick. That part's not the important. Okay, you're clearly

1833
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 3: counting out Bailey Zappi, but the staff is not. Remember

1834
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 3: they saw him real NFL games with last year's lazzy offense. Gary,

1835
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 3: I am here to tell you I'm counting out Bailey Zappi.

1836
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 3: I'm counting him out. It's not because of anything that

1837
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 3: Bailly's Appy has done. Is not because I think he's

1838
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 3: a bad guy or a bad locker room influence. I

1839
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 3: think all that stuff is a little bit overblown. But

1840
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 3: I'm counting Bailey Zappi out because he does not have

1841
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 3: a role on this team. He is not a mentor

1842
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 3: to Drake May. He's not an experienced veteran. That's Jacoby

1843
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 3: Brissett and he's not Drake May. So he has no role.

1844
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 3: I'm counting him out. I'm sorry, Like, there's just no

1845
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 3: purpose for him here, Like, what is the the ideal path?

1846
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 3: What is the ceiling for Bailey Zappi here that he

1847
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 3: beats out Jacoby Brissett.

1848
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and starts taking games before Drake May. I Look

1849
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 1: to be fair, I won't entirely count him out in

1850
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: that regard, just seeing the way they're doings of practice. Uh,

1851
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: Bailey Zappi at the longest has one more full season

1852
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:40,719
Speaker 1: in New England.

1853
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 4: That's it.

1854
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 3: I just feel like unless he's not gonna unless he

1855
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 3: turns a new leaf as a as a teammate from

1856
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 3: what we've seen, and he becomes a guy that will

1857
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 3: embrace being the bridge quarterback slash mentor to Drake manash backup,

1858
01:26:56,479 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 3: slash backup eventually, because that's what he is and I'm

1859
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 3: not even talking about like him being here long term.

1860
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about him being here next season unless

1861
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 3: he four, If he completely changes his that's what he's

1862
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 3: gonna He's gonna be Jacoby wessaid, right, he's gonna keep

1863
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 3: the seat worm, and he's going to be a mentor

1864
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 3: to Drake May. And maybe by keeping the seat worm,

1865
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 3: he plays some good football and then in twenty five

1866
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 3: he goes someplace else and gets a chance to compete.

1867
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 3: If that's what he's gonna do, then okay. I have

1868
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 3: not seen that side of Bailey Zappy yet. The side

1869
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,600
Speaker 3: of Bailey Zappi that we have seen has been the

1870
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 3: one that thinks he should start over mac Jones and

1871
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 3: has competed like such, which there's nothing wrong with that

1872
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 3: is nothing wrong with that. I'm not blaming him for

1873
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 3: wanting to compete in wanting to play. I'm just telling

1874
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 3: you that that's not where the Patriots are at. The

1875
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 3: Patriots have married Drake May, they have married.

1876
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 1: Him, So yeah, he would essentially have to do what

1877
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 1: brock Purdy did to Tree Lance, which I just don't.

1878
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 3: Think is happening.

1879
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 1: Brock Purdy was able to do that because of all

1880
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 1: talent he had around. So again, I won't rule out

1881
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 1: Bailey's Appy somehow sticking on the roster this year and

1882
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: maybe starting a game or two, just because seeing how

1883
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: they're doing things at practice.

1884
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 3: But there's no there is no long term for Bailey's

1885
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 3: Appy New England. There just isn't. Yeah, and the fact

1886
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 3: that he seems to be.

1887
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 2: You know.

1888
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 3: That he he seems to do how do I want

1889
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 3: to put this?

1890
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 1: He's got to be okay that Drake Mays was drafted

1891
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 1: to be the face of the franchise. Yeah, and if

1892
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 1: he's not, it's really tough to justify keeping him here.

1893
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. All right, Lawrence is in

1894
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 3: Indiana if I can get the mouse to work. What's up, Lawrence?

1895
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 4: What's going on? Guys? First time call, a long time listener,

1896
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 4: Love it, Thank you. My question pretty much is is

1897
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 4: just like at least that my thought process is kind

1898
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,679
Speaker 4: of understanding. Is that offensive tackle you want to protect

1899
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 4: the blind side of your QB first? Is there any

1900
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 4: reason why we are trying to force one new at

1901
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 4: right rather than putting him at left, considering we have

1902
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 4: such problems with the left tackle right about now.

1903
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 3: Thanks for the call, guys, Yeah, thanks for the call, Lawrence.

1904
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing that you talk, you know,

1905
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 3: blind side protect there, all that kind of stuff in

1906
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 3: order to be a left tackle. To most people, you

1907
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 3: really want that left tackle to be a high end

1908
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:23,520
Speaker 3: pass protector, right so on when who is a bulldozer,

1909
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 3: great run blocker, probably a high end pass protector at guard,

1910
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 3: but right now, based off the film, he's not a

1911
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 3: high end pass protector at tackle. You also usually get you.

1912
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 1: Know, coming off that the defense's right side. To that

1913
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 1: blind side, you get the more athletic rushers, so you

1914
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: want your more athletic tackle over there.

1915
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 3: And yeah, the reality he would have the same issues.

1916
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 3: I think that chukes. The core for Arkadan Wallace is

1917
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 3: he's played on the right side of her career. Like

1918
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,639
Speaker 3: you play right guard and then go to right tackle.

1919
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 3: That's one that's it. That's an easier move. Yeah, going

1920
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 3: from right guard to to left tackle is a big, big,

1921
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 3: big change. It's just it's not worth putting all that on. Yeah,

1922
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 3: I think that the you know, that's the biggest thing

1923
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 3: is you know you do. I think that there were

1924
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 3: starting to get into a world in football where it's

1925
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 3: a little bit more even right tackle. Left tackle got

1926
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 3: blocked the same guys right and a lot of the time.

1927
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 3: Now there are guys in in that are specifically guys

1928
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 3: that like rushing over the right tackle. TJ. Watt is

1929
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 3: one of them. He's one of those guys that prefers,

1930
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, probably you know which hand is down,

1931
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:28,759
Speaker 3: which foot is forward, you know, all that kind of stuff.

1932
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 3: He prefers to rush all over the right tackle. So

1933
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 3: certain matchups, the right tackle is going to have the

1934
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 3: harder matchup. It's not like it used to be, you know,

1935
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 3: back in the day with like Lawrence Taylor and stuff

1936
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 3: like that. They always put him on the blind side

1937
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 3: and that was what it was. Right Now, guys are

1938
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 3: more preference based. I think Max Crosby is another one

1939
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 3: that likes to rush over the right tackle more than

1940
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 3: the left side. You know, those two guys are to

1941
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,640
Speaker 3: the best pass rushers in the NFL. Von Miller was

1942
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 3: notoriously a right tackle pass rush. Yeah, so we're talking

1943
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 3: about some of the best of the best over the

1944
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 3: last you know, decade in the league that have rushed

1945
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,240
Speaker 3: over the right tackle. So it's not universal. So I

1946
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 3: understand what the question, you know is a good question.

1947
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:09,680
Speaker 3: I just think that that's a very big undertaking for

1948
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 3: on Wenny, and I think his skill set fits more

1949
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 3: on the right side than the left side, which is

1950
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 3: what I think that they are getting at all. Right,

1951
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 3: this is a question from Nathaniel. He's asking when it

1952
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 3: comes to position coaches, what kind of technique instruction are

1953
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:31,560
Speaker 3: they doing versus the you know, the the trainers, the

1954
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 3: off the site trainers, you know, like the Quincy Avery's

1955
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 3: of the world, or the Jordan Palmers or like those

1956
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 3: types of guys. It's an interesting question, and I think

1957
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 3: what you know, he's asking more about receivers, but even

1958
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 3: offensive line he mentioned Chukes a Corps four talking about

1959
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 3: Scott Peters being like a technician and things like that.

1960
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 3: I think what's really interesting more about this question than

1961
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 3: what they're actually doing. You know, the coaches, they're good coaches.

1962
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 3: They understand their technique of their positions. They're talking footwork,

1963
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 3: they're talking hand placement for receivers. It's really looking down

1964
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 3: into three different categories release, top of the route, catch point, right, Like,

1965
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:07,799
Speaker 3: those are the three different things that you're really drilling

1966
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 3: a ton. I think the interesting thing about quarterback though,

1967
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 3: and you hear about this a little bit happening. You

1968
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 3: got to make sure that whoever Drake may is working

1969
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:21,560
Speaker 3: with outside the facility when he goes between training a

1970
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:23,679
Speaker 3: mini camp and training camp, like in the month of June,

1971
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 3: you know, and the beginning of July. I'm assuming he's

1972
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 3: gonna go work with Clyde Christensen down at North Carolina.

1973
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 3: Is who's been his guy. I don't know that for

1974
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,640
Speaker 3: a fact, but I would assume that's who it would be.

1975
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 3: You definitely have to make sure that you're teaching the

1976
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 3: same things. If he's going to Jordan Palmer and Jordan

1977
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 3: Palmer is telling him to do one thing, but then

1978
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 3: Alex van pel is telling him to do another, then

1979
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 3: you have a problem.

1980
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1981
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:49,560
Speaker 3: That's why a lot of the time with Bill. That

1982
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 3: was the whole Alex Guerrero thing, right, was that Bill

1983
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 3: wanted Brady to follow his regiment. Alex Guerrero did things

1984
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 3: a little bit differently. Now, Guerrero was more physical training

1985
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 3: than he was like quarterback technique and things like that,

1986
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 3: but in general, like that was the whole argument that

1987
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:08,720
Speaker 3: they were having was Brady wasn't lifting weights and he

1988
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 3: wasn't doing all that kind of stuff. He was doing

1989
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 3: his own program. Uh. You got to make sure everybody's

1990
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 3: on the same program. And that's the biggest thing. But yeah,

1991
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 3: the coaches here, the position coaches this time of year,

1992
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 3: not necessarily in season. In season, your your game planning,

1993
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 3: you're scouting opponents. You're talking about you know, TJ. Watt

1994
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 3: and what his go to pass rush move is. You're

1995
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 3: not talking about hands and feet and all that kind

1996
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 3: of stuff, But that's what you do this time of

1997
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 3: your pad level, hands, feet, shoulders, angles, you know, angles

1998
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:40,680
Speaker 3: into blocks, you know what those types of things like

1999
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 3: all that's all what goes into offensive line and I

2000
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:44,800
Speaker 3: think Scott Pierre is gonna do a good job with that.

2001
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 3: A few other things about OTAs here on my list,

2002
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:52,680
Speaker 3: got pull up my list. What'd you think about juju? Uh?

2003
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 3: And what do we think about juju? I think this

2004
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:56,560
Speaker 3: is a topic. You know, people are talking about this

2005
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 3: a little bit. He had some things to say, you know,

2006
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 3: talked about now he's a hunter percent versus being sixty

2007
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 3: percent this time last year. He also said the vibes,

2008
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 3: the vibes in the locker room are are immaculate.

2009
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. Uh, I just are you gonna you?

2010
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 1: You were you claim that you were quite the shooter.

2011
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 1: Are you gonna ask for for a shot on the

2012
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 1: basketball open there? I claim to be quite the shooter?

2013
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 2: I am.

2014
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:20,639
Speaker 3: You said you could hit a three in an NBA

2015
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 3: game if I was wide open? How are you getting open?

2016
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stand in the corner. Do you know how

2017
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 3: fast these guys are gonna stand in the corner. I'm

2018
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 3: gonna be long these guys. I couldn't hit some of

2019
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 3: the threes that Peyton, Pritchard and Sam Houser hit where

2020
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:39,600
Speaker 3: there's nobody within ten there's nobody within ten three of

2021
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:43,599
Speaker 3: them because Jason Tatum's got four guys converging on him

2022
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 3: in the lane. And you don't think I alright, So

2023
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 3: at some point this year, when the whole team's in

2024
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 3: the locker room, I want you to call for the

2025
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 3: ball and get a shot up. All right?

2026
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 2: You got?

2027
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 3: I want to see that you got. Vibes are so good.

2028
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 3: The vibes, Uh, you're the two things I'll say about dude.

2029
01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 3: You won. If he's gonna be because of the money,

2030
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 3: which is a possibility, like it's a ten million dollar,

2031
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 3: ten and a half million dollar dead cap hit, just

2032
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 3: walk away from him. I maybe he's could get traded.

2033
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 3: I doubt it. I think you also have to factor

2034
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 3: in the fact that Kendrick Bourne might not be ready

2035
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 3: for the start of the season, so that opens up

2036
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 3: a spot for a short term spot for somebody like Juju.

2037
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,639
Speaker 3: All things created equal, If Juju Smith Schuster is healthy

2038
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 3: and they're getting Kansas City Juju Smith Schuster, that's a

2039
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 3: good football player. Like I understand that we're all sour

2040
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 3: on Juju from last year. It was a disaster. It

2041
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 3: was it was horrible, all true. But if he's if

2042
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:43,679
Speaker 3: it was truly health related and his knee is truly better,

2043
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 3: then I don't know, Like it's not a bad thing

2044
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 3: to have another thing, it's not.

2045
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:50,760
Speaker 1: I just how does he make the team? Because you're

2046
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: gonna have you know, Pop and Borner locks, and I

2047
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:55,679
Speaker 1: think Bourne will be ready. You have Pop and Borner locks.

2048
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 1: The two rookies are obviously locks. kJ Osbourne, we think

2049
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 1: more likely than is going to make the team because

2050
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:02,640
Speaker 1: of his tracked his.

2051
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 3: Contracts easier to walk away from than Juju's.

2052
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 1: All right, so he's you basically have kJ Osborne, Juju

2053
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 1: Smith Schuster, Taekwon Thornton, Jalen Rager, for the last spot.

2054
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 1: Keep mind, Jalen, I don't think you're keeping six. If

2055
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 1: they keep then all right, then for two spots Jalen

2056
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:20,640
Speaker 1: Rager can return kicks. Yeah, kJ Osbourne was chosen by

2057
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: this front office unlike the other three.

2058
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:22,680
Speaker 3: Yep.

2059
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 1: I just think it's an uphill battle. I think the

2060
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 1: best case scenario is Juju looks healthier in camp and

2061
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 1: they trade him. I think that's the best case scenario.

2062
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:32,719
Speaker 3: I agree that it's an uphill battle.

2063
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 2: I do.

2064
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 3: I will say, though you know you're talking about earlier.

2065
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 3: The type of receivers, yeah, fit, he kind of fits.

2066
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 3: He kind of fits. He's a bigger, thicker guy than

2067
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:44,760
Speaker 3: the boss that's physical. This goes back to the reps.

2068
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:47,560
Speaker 1: I want Jalen Polk on the field. I agree, And

2069
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 1: there there's overlap there. I want Jalen, want Jalen Pol playing.

2070
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 3: The type of receivers that have succeeded in this offense.

2071
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 3: He's more of a fit for this offense than he

2072
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 3: was for the Bill O'Brien. I get that, But I

2073
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,679
Speaker 3: play the kids and I'll say the same thing about Taekwon.

2074
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 3: But we're not doing Taekwon again.

2075
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm not doing He's got no guaranteed money on his contract.

2076
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 1: That's gonna be really tough.

2077
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 3: But for him, somebody, they don't have burners other than him,

2078
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 3: unless you want to count Pop, who's like a different kind.

2079
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 1: Of I actually think Rager would make the team over

2080
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:20,680
Speaker 1: over to like the same speed, but he has their

2081
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 1: returnability and there's your burner.

2082
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,719
Speaker 3: Somebody has got to hold the post Taekwan. But Taekwon

2083
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 3: dos got to hold the post. Javon Baker. I think

2084
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:29,640
Speaker 3: Jayvon Baker is gonna hold the post at four or

2085
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,800
Speaker 3: five four. But he's that deep. You gotta be honest

2086
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 3: about him deep even without his speed. I who talked

2087
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 3: about this? Wh when he drafted? Are they gonna keep

2088
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 3: Thornton just to run win sprints? Maybe we talked about

2089
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 3: this when he was drafted. He was drafted for this system,

2090
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 3: like you, they thought they were gonna go this way

2091
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:50,680
Speaker 3: with Matt Patricia. If there's a system that Taekwon all

2092
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 3: right now just keeping six seven receivers, like, let me

2093
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 3: put this guy, let me put you this way. Yeah,

2094
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 3: if there was a system that Taekwon Thornton was gonna

2095
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 3: be a successful NFL player in it's this sounds like

2096
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,400
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm just telling you from I'm not telling

2097
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 3: you that he's gonna be able to do it, Okay,

2098
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you from a stylistic perspective. Because all

2099
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:15,719
Speaker 3: this offense is on first and second down is play

2100
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 3: action bootleg and we're running. We're running across the field.

2101
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 3: That's it. They're not gonna ask him to break down

2102
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 3: to the top of the route. They're not gonna ask

2103
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 3: him to run an option with you know, a three

2104
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 3: way go and you have to decide and you have

2105
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 3: to make a move and you have to get open.

2106
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 3: They're gonna say, you have the deep over, you have

2107
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 3: the underneath cross, or you have the slide route, you know,

2108
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 3: the submarine route at the line of scrimmage.

2109
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 4: Go.

2110
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 3: That's all they're gonna tell them. And at four two eight,

2111
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 3: that's what that does. Right now, he's got to go

2112
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:48,040
Speaker 3: out there and actually play well and catch the ball

2113
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 3: and catch the ball and not get hurt every time

2114
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 3: he falls to the ground. Right Like, that's that's on him.

2115
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 3: That's up. And I'm not doing it in that respect,

2116
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 3: like I gotta have to see it to believe it. There,

2117
01:38:57,120 --> 01:39:00,120
Speaker 3: But in terms of stylistic fit him and as you

2118
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 3: are not terrible fits for what they're gonna try to

2119
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 3: do offensively. That's it. That's all. I'm saying. You gotta

2120
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 3: cut somebody.

2121
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 1: And I don't know if if they move on from

2122
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 1: kJ Osborne, who's new, or they bury the rookies just

2123
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 1: to go back to Juju Smith Schuster just to go

2124
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 1: back to Taekwon Thornton and it doesn't work.

2125
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 3: That's such a rough look. That's such a bad look.

2126
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 3: I'm with you.

2127
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:20,800
Speaker 4: I'm with you.

2128
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to give I'm making the case for Taekwon.

2129
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 3: That's out. I'm not saying that I want like I

2130
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,559
Speaker 3: think it's gonna happen. I'm just make I think.

2131
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna end up being the rookies, pop Born,

2132
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:36,719
Speaker 1: Osbourne and maybe Riger I think those are your receivers.

2133
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 3: If they feel like Rager still translates on this new

2134
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaker 3: kickoff role, he should, He really should. Then he'll make

2135
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:45,759
Speaker 3: the team. He key apps. This is is so perfect

2136
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:46,080
Speaker 3: for him.

2137
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:49,560
Speaker 1: He really should, unless they feel like Marcus Jones is

2138
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 1: just gonna hand because they have other guys that can

2139
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, best thing, he's got to be better

2140
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 1: at it than Marcus Jones. He's gonna be better. I'd

2141
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 1: give Antonio Gibson a look. I think it's a good

2142
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 1: fit for his skill set. Uh, I wouldn't try pot.

2143
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 1: It's a good fit for pop skills set. But he

2144
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 1: gets hurt a lot.

2145
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 3: He's a small guys. It's a good shout because it's

2146
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 3: a running back thing, but he's got speed like it's

2147
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 3: even maybe you know, you might be the one who does.

2148
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 1: Talking to somebody who was talking to people at Florida

2149
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 1: State who were like really excited about Shaheen Bell, was

2150
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:19,520
Speaker 1: that you in this in this format.

2151
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 3: I don't know. You know he would have the ability

2152
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 3: to maybe like returning chunks. Yeah, I don't think he

2153
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 3: would have the breakaway speed to like hit an eight

2154
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 3: ninety five yard return.

2155
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 1: There might be some teams, and we'll see if the

2156
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:32,680
Speaker 1: Patriots are one of these, because everybody's gonna have a

2157
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 1: different approach to this, and just from some people I've

2158
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:37,560
Speaker 1: talked to, right, I think there's gonna be teams to

2159
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: look at it and say we want a home run

2160
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 1: hitter back there. We can set up home run plays.

2161
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 1: But the thing about setting up the home run plays,

2162
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 1: they don't always work. There may be some teams to

2163
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 1: look at it and say, we can scheme this up

2164
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:49,879
Speaker 1: that we start with the ball the forty yard line every.

2165
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:51,639
Speaker 3: Time, right, twenty twenty five yard chunk.

2166
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 2: Right.

2167
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:54,559
Speaker 3: And if that's what you're looking for, like Jahem Bell

2168
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 3: is that guy, you go to look at him at

2169
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 3: South Carolina as a running back, Yeah, and then you

2170
01:40:58,160 --> 01:40:59,640
Speaker 3: look at some of the scheme touches that they gave

2171
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 3: him at Florida State. If you're if you're one of

2172
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 3: those teams that is okay with the fact that he's

2173
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 3: gonna get coffrom behind, so you're not gonna have the

2174
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 3: house calls, but you might have those fifteen to twenty

2175
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 3: twenty five yard chunk. Las average is gonna be more

2176
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 3: reflective of what he thinks. Right, you have two guys.

2177
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 1: One guy has a five yard return and an eighty

2178
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:22,599
Speaker 1: five yard return and he averages right forty yards per return,

2179
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:24,639
Speaker 1: or you have a guy that averages thirty, but he's

2180
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 1: actually returning the ball thirty yards every time. Who would

2181
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 1: you rather have? It's gonna be really interesting to see

2182
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 1: how all the teams scheme this up.

2183
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe it or not. That was actually one

2184
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 3: of my notes was that we didn't see any kickoffs. Yeah,

2185
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:39,360
Speaker 3: and my guess is that they're still holding that back

2186
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:40,560
Speaker 3: a little bit. They're working on that.

2187
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm so interested, man, I know, but like I'm so

2188
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 1: interested in what that's gonna look like.

2189
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 3: That's it. That's all you get on there. You're not

2190
01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 3: a little interested. I'm interested, but we haven't seen it yet.

2191
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:52,479
Speaker 3: But okay, so I well let me ad minutes lefter.

2192
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:54,320
Speaker 3: I don't want to spend twenty on on the kick.

2193
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:57,240
Speaker 1: Okay, but I don't think we've actually had this conversation before.

2194
01:41:57,800 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 1: You love de X's nose, and you've always talked about

2195
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 1: in a whiteboard and hear and actually draw on stuff up.

2196
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 3: Yep.

2197
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 1: If you were, you understand the rules, you see the rules, yep.

2198
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 1: What would your approach be to this? How would you

2199
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 1: scheme it up? I think there's two different approaches, okay, Okay.

2200
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:16,719
Speaker 1: The first one that I would try is I would

2201
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,720
Speaker 1: run it like power, where I'd have a double team

2202
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 1: at the point of attack and then pull somebody through

2203
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:24,080
Speaker 1: the middle of it and have that be the lead

2204
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 1: blocker that against them through the line of scrimmage. Because

2205
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 1: really what you're trying to do is get them through

2206
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:30,720
Speaker 1: a line of scrimmage, right, that's what you're trying to accomplish.

2207
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 1: So by folding the defense and then having somebody pull through,

2208
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 1: now you have that ability to get that alley going, right.

2209
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 1: That's that would be my first approach. The second approach,

2210
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:43,560
Speaker 1: which is going to take some cahone Yeah, is reverses.

2211
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:47,360
Speaker 3: So I was gonna say whatever I'm doing because there's

2212
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 3: two you can either have ten on the line and

2213
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 3: one back or nine on the line and two back. Yeah.

2214
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 3: I would be a nine and two team. Yeah, me too.

2215
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 3: I would always and I'm not going to run the

2216
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 3: reverse every time, but I would always have the threat

2217
01:42:57,560 --> 01:42:59,800
Speaker 3: of it. Have it, have it there, and you can

2218
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:01,840
Speaker 3: get the looks, you can fake the reverses and they

2219
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:04,599
Speaker 3: can hold the backside. Yeah. Yeah, that's that. I think

2220
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 3: to me, that is going to be the hardest if

2221
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:09,760
Speaker 3: you can execute it well enough. Yeah, that would be

2222
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:10,800
Speaker 3: the hardest thing to defend.

2223
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe that's what you do where you have

2224
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:18,559
Speaker 1: your home run guy is one of the guys back,

2225
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 1: and then you're you know, more consistent, you know, put

2226
01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:25,920
Speaker 1: Jalen Rager in one spot, Shaheen Bell and the other

2227
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 1: and now they have to be ready for both and

2228
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:29,640
Speaker 1: if you really want the home run, you run the

2229
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:32,720
Speaker 1: reverse with with Ray or around Bell, things like that.

2230
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:37,600
Speaker 1: Coverage wise, I would almost play it like zone. I

2231
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 1: would actually drop like three different layers. I would layer it.

2232
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:43,640
Speaker 1: I would actually drop some guys back and maybe you

2233
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 1: can see a little bit of yardage, but I know

2234
01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm from watching the XFL.

2235
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 3: I remember this.

2236
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:54,120
Speaker 1: There were teams that would just initiate contact at at

2237
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:57,719
Speaker 1: the catch, and the problem is you have everybody moving

2238
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 1: forward and it's one guy, or you get clumped together

2239
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 1: or something right that one guy screws up and now

2240
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 1: it's the kicker. And that's one other thing I would

2241
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 1: do with this, and we've talked a little bit about this.

2242
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 1: I would figure out between the kicker and the punter,

2243
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:13,679
Speaker 1: who's the better tackler, because that's gonna matter.

2244
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 3: Now, Oh that's gotta be a bearinger Rolin's tiny. Well,

2245
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 3: we don't who the kicker is gonna be. That's fair.

2246
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:21,400
Speaker 3: I would think bearer is a better tackler between those two.

2247
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:23,639
Speaker 3: The layer is in it. I think an interesting theory.

2248
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:25,640
Speaker 3: I would play it like instead of playing it like

2249
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 3: get like gap, Like all right, you're gonna fill this gap.

2250
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:29,920
Speaker 3: You're gonna fill this gap. I would be you just

2251
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:33,640
Speaker 3: occupy blocks, right, you occupy box in this area. You

2252
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 3: go in this area.

2253
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm bringing a couple guys. Maybe you know you're gonna

2254
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 1: drop back five yards on the initial and you're gonna

2255
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 1: kind of play behind.

2256
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 3: Use the linebackers for that. That's how i'd cover it.

2257
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:47,400
Speaker 1: I would not try playing gap because you blow one gap,

2258
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:50,120
Speaker 1: that's where those home runs are gonna be. I would

2259
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:52,120
Speaker 1: play it a little bit safer, maybe concede a little

2260
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:54,840
Speaker 1: bit more return, but limit the ability for the big play.

2261
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:56,519
Speaker 3: And I know I said we're not gonna do fifteen

2262
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:58,639
Speaker 3: minutes on this, but last thing on this, Yeah, I'm

2263
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:01,200
Speaker 3: really fascinated about this is what we did. This is like,

2264
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 3: I'm real fascinated about the body types that they use

2265
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:08,080
Speaker 3: because I think you got to vary it well. I'm

2266
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 3: more talking about body types at the point of attack

2267
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 3: because now I think you're in a world where, like

2268
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 3: is Devon Godshow going to be on kickoffs. I think

2269
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 3: you need to be more mobile than that. Anthony Jennings,

2270
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:25,360
Speaker 3: Isy Jennings so ke On White. White's the kind of

2271
01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 3: guy Anthony Jennings.

2272
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna put a tackle out there

2273
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 1: because remember there's still ten yards apart.

2274
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 3: I know, but if teams do what I think they're

2275
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 3: gonna do, which is and they start doubling at the

2276
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:38,160
Speaker 3: point of attack, I just think there's a lot of

2277
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:41,320
Speaker 3: that going on that's gonna go on. It's to me,

2278
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:42,320
Speaker 3: it's a run play.

2279
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 1: But he So if I see the Devon Gotcha out there,

2280
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:47,719
Speaker 1: because remember it's spread out the length of the field,

2281
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:50,639
Speaker 1: it's not narrow like a like a scrimmage making, I'm

2282
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:53,000
Speaker 1: gonna single block Devon Gotscha and make him chase down

2283
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:55,479
Speaker 1: the returner. Yeah, that that's fair. So I think I

2284
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:58,560
Speaker 1: look at edge setters as edge setters. I don't know

2285
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:00,920
Speaker 1: if they'll put Juwan Bentley out there just because the

2286
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:01,599
Speaker 1: injury risk.

2287
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 3: But maybe, like you know, I think linebackers like I

2288
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:07,880
Speaker 3: think like Taki Taki Jennings Kean is a good call,

2289
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 3: like I think.

2290
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 1: Those honestly, who's a fantastic for this, so he's gonna

2291
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:16,640
Speaker 1: get special. I think it's it's edge defenders, maybe some

2292
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 1: of your more athletic defensive ends and box safeties. That's

2293
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:23,200
Speaker 1: gonna be your coverage team, and then your return team

2294
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:25,680
Speaker 1: is gonna be tight end like not the returners, like

2295
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:26,320
Speaker 1: the up guys.

2296
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:28,639
Speaker 3: It's gonna be tight ends.

2297
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:30,559
Speaker 1: And I think you might see teams carry more tight

2298
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:32,559
Speaker 1: ends now because they can block on the run. They're

2299
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:34,360
Speaker 1: good at blocking in the run. It's gonna be tight

2300
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 1: ends and you're more athletic tackles. Yeah, I agree with that,

2301
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:41,599
Speaker 1: and maybe if you have like an h back kind

2302
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 1: of guy.

2303
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 3: A couple more things. It was great to see Christian

2304
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 3: Gonzalez back out there looking like Christian Gonzales. Yeah, Christian

2305
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 3: Gonzalez move like he moves. He's just a freaking awesome

2306
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:56,439
Speaker 3: athlete to watch in practice. So he's ice skating, Yeah,

2307
01:46:56,479 --> 01:46:58,720
Speaker 3: he He had a couple of reps that they're doing

2308
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 3: positional drills and just he's doing like a mirror drill

2309
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 3: and just how side to side movement that he can

2310
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:05,960
Speaker 3: just pull out and flip his hips and get up

2311
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:09,560
Speaker 3: the field so smoothly. Yeah, that that I could. You know,

2312
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:13,800
Speaker 3: I gotta be careful and not get in a room

2313
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:16,160
Speaker 3: by myself on Christian Zalez, you know like that that

2314
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:20,920
Speaker 3: guy moves like a ballerina. I is it hyperbole to

2315
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:24,000
Speaker 3: say that Christian Gonzales might be the best player on

2316
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 3: the Patriots right now. I mean, they're just sample sized,

2317
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:31,960
Speaker 3: just really isn't there when I watch their practices. And granted,

2318
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:34,479
Speaker 3: the other guy I think that's in the running wasn't

2319
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:37,240
Speaker 3: there in Judan And he's also just not gonna be

2320
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 3: this type, like he's not gonna be a ballerina on

2321
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:41,760
Speaker 3: a practice field type of player. But when I watch

2322
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 3: their practices, there's one guy to me that consistently moves

2323
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,360
Speaker 3: different from everybody else, and it's Gonzales. Like he's the

2324
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:49,320
Speaker 3: He's the one guy that I look at and I'm like,

2325
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:52,800
Speaker 3: that is a stud athlete, like that is a blue

2326
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:56,439
Speaker 3: chip NFL athlete. The other guys I think are all

2327
01:47:56,840 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 3: kind of clustered together, you know, as solid NFL athletes,

2328
01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:05,000
Speaker 3: good NFL athletes. I think Christian Gonzales moves the best

2329
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:08,040
Speaker 3: out of anybody on the Patriots roster. He's just an

2330
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:08,719
Speaker 3: excellent movement.

2331
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 1: So I'm not willing to say he's the best player

2332
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:12,200
Speaker 1: right now, because again that that sample sizes by the

2333
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:14,040
Speaker 1: end of the year, there's a real chance by the

2334
01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:15,160
Speaker 1: end of the year we're saying he's the best.

2335
01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:16,640
Speaker 3: But I I need a little see a little more

2336
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 3: before I say something like that. Yeah, that's fair.

2337
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:20,880
Speaker 1: All this is an interesting which just from the YouTube

2338
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:23,840
Speaker 1: comments on the kick return thing. Jotham Russell, rugby player.

2339
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like, I feel like the pitch, the pitch

2340
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:31,519
Speaker 3: is gonna be a thing, and like executing the pitches

2341
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:33,960
Speaker 3: like a rugby player would. I know this is maybe

2342
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,200
Speaker 3: more talking about like tackling and stuff like that maybe,

2343
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:41,400
Speaker 3: but excellent executing a Rugby style pitch as a part

2344
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 3: of this whole thing, I think would really be advantageous.

2345
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:46,040
Speaker 3: Like I think you could really do some damage with

2346
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:47,520
Speaker 3: that because especially.

2347
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 1: Well so there was one team that Ascent, they had

2348
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 1: the two returners back and essentially ran it like a

2349
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:54,839
Speaker 1: read option.

2350
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 3: Right, that's what they do in rugby. Like I'm not

2351
01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:00,639
Speaker 3: a I'm not a big rugby guy. Uh, college roommate

2352
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:02,680
Speaker 3: played rugby in college. I want I way to go

2353
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:05,680
Speaker 3: to a couple of their games and he you know,

2354
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:08,400
Speaker 3: they obviously have it's like a it's like an option pitch,

2355
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:10,640
Speaker 3: and you know they'll have somebody kind of running a

2356
01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:12,839
Speaker 3: little bit behind the guy with the ball on the outside.

2357
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 3: If you can two on one somebody on the outside

2358
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:20,600
Speaker 3: in this situation and then execute the pitch, then that

2359
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 3: guy's gone, like that's how they score in rugby.

2360
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:24,720
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can't be excited about it.

2361
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:27,240
Speaker 1: Excited No, No, I know I know you are, But

2362
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:29,000
Speaker 1: like people in try to like, oh, it's gonna be annoying.

2363
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 1: This is it's a real football play. This is a

2364
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:35,680
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, it's gimmicky, like it lookskimmy. I

2365
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 1: understand that it looks gimmicky once you get past the

2366
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:44,160
Speaker 1: initial aesthetic of it. This is a real football play

2367
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:46,360
Speaker 1: that's going to be going on, and it's gonna be

2368
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 1: interesting to see how different teams try to skim.

2369
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 3: To me, if there's anything that it's the most like,

2370
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:53,760
Speaker 3: it reminds me the most of rugby. And if if

2371
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:55,920
Speaker 3: you can execute that pitch and like I said, you

2372
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:58,519
Speaker 3: can two on one somebody on the outside, like that's

2373
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:01,960
Speaker 3: how like a ton of tries, as they called him

2374
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:05,599
Speaker 3: are scored in rugby, is by getting out on the perimeter.

2375
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:07,640
Speaker 3: Then you two on one somebody and you pitch it

2376
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:09,160
Speaker 3: to the guy or you keep it, you know, if

2377
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:12,280
Speaker 3: he jumps the pitch and then you're off a couple

2378
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:15,040
Speaker 3: of other things really quickly here as we wrap it up,

2379
01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:18,840
Speaker 3: we mentioned this earlier in the show, just slot corner,

2380
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 3: outside Corner, that kind of thing. Alex Austin and Marco Wilson.

2381
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 3: I love that. I love giving those guys the opportunity

2382
01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 3: at outside Corner my ideal. And I know you touched

2383
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:32,479
Speaker 3: on this too. Yeah, Gonzales obviously is going to be

2384
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:36,760
Speaker 3: one spot. Maybe Austin or someone you know emerges for

2385
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 3: the other spot, and then you can kick Jay Jones

2386
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:39,639
Speaker 3: back inside.

2387
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:42,160
Speaker 1: I think you're looking at it, Austin, Marco Wilson, will

2388
01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:44,200
Speaker 1: see if Isaiah Bolden can pick up where he left

2389
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:44,800
Speaker 1: off last year.

2390
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:46,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe those I would throw a dial in there too,

2391
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 3: all right, Mikey Victor, we can keep going on, Mikey

2392
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:52,560
Speaker 3: Victor dial. Did you even watch him or not? Not

2393
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 3: at time? All right? Maybe like one game, he's got

2394
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:56,800
Speaker 3: the size that I'm like, all right, let's see what

2395
01:50:56,840 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 3: it looks like the other thing. Keon White still, I'm

2396
01:51:01,160 --> 01:51:05,880
Speaker 3: still wondering with Kean White. Love his attitude. I think

2397
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:09,000
Speaker 3: that there's a skill set there. I'm fascinated to see

2398
01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 3: if they can He's a tweeter and I'm fascinated to

2399
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:15,400
Speaker 3: see if they can get it out of him to

2400
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:20,240
Speaker 3: be a consistent impact player. He's got tools, and he's

2401
01:51:20,280 --> 01:51:23,480
Speaker 3: got he's got that. He's definitely got the the intangible

2402
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:26,200
Speaker 3: stuff right Like he's just he's ready to run through

2403
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 3: a you know who, his face, you know But I

2404
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:31,599
Speaker 3: think the biggest thing with him is is he gonna

2405
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:33,400
Speaker 3: stand up? Is he gonna have his hand in the dirt?

2406
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:36,040
Speaker 3: If he does both, is he ever gonna be effective

2407
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 3: enough to do him both at a high level? Like

2408
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:41,920
Speaker 3: I still am concerned about where he fits, how he fits,

2409
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:45,400
Speaker 3: and if they're gonna be able to figure him out.

2410
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:48,120
Speaker 3: It's a it's a tough one to figure out because

2411
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:50,960
Speaker 3: he's a little too light. If you ask me to

2412
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,160
Speaker 3: be a three four end, Like playing three four end

2413
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:55,360
Speaker 3: at two eighty five is gonna be tough unless they're

2414
01:51:55,439 --> 01:51:59,280
Speaker 3: truly allowing him to shoot gaps consistently. I've talked about

2415
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:01,960
Speaker 3: being more aggressive. That's gonna be tough too, Like you're

2416
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,000
Speaker 3: gonna get double teamed and you're gonna get blown off

2417
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:05,559
Speaker 3: the ball at two at eighty five in a two

2418
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:08,760
Speaker 3: gapping scheme. Being up on his feet at two eighty five,

2419
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:10,800
Speaker 3: Now you're talking about being too heavy to be up

2420
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:13,760
Speaker 3: in space and up on your feet. I like him.

2421
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:18,400
Speaker 3: I like his attitude. He's a fun player to think about. Conceptually,

2422
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:20,719
Speaker 3: I just don't know where he fits in this defense,

2423
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:22,679
Speaker 3: like in a three to four, in a true odd

2424
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 3: front mechanic defense. I just don't know exactly where he

2425
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:28,559
Speaker 3: fits in this whole out. The other thing I wrote

2426
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 3: down was Devon Godshaw's situation. I think that this bear

2427
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:34,479
Speaker 3: is watching. I think we all know that Judan situation

2428
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:37,640
Speaker 3: bears watching. Devon Godshaw's in the last year of his

2429
01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:41,680
Speaker 3: contract with the Patriots, and I think he's looking through

2430
01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:46,400
Speaker 3: for a new deal. So I I'm I think this

2431
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 3: is guaranteed money this year. It's an opinion, Okay, don't

2432
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:53,639
Speaker 3: don't aggregate me, all right, but I think that Devon

2433
01:52:53,720 --> 01:52:57,679
Speaker 3: Godshaw's situation is more than just like he's a veteran

2434
01:52:57,720 --> 01:52:59,760
Speaker 3: that doesn't feel like showing up totas Like I think

2435
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 3: they're a little bit something there. And when you start

2436
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:06,680
Speaker 3: to play Jenga with the Patriots defense, you moved on

2437
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:08,680
Speaker 3: from Lawrence Guy, which I think was an okay and

2438
01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:11,759
Speaker 3: sort of right thing to do. You pulled Van Gotcha

2439
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:13,519
Speaker 3: out of that. You pulled Jude on it like you're

2440
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:17,160
Speaker 3: starting to pull some veteran staples, you know, guys that

2441
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:20,040
Speaker 3: you can really count on, you know, reliable players on

2442
01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:21,960
Speaker 3: that defense. So I'm interested to see what ends up

2443
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:23,040
Speaker 3: happening where to me, we.

2444
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:26,280
Speaker 1: Talked about nose tackle or at least defensive tackle being

2445
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:28,000
Speaker 1: like a sneaky need for them this offseason.

2446
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:30,840
Speaker 3: They never really addressed it. So he's got to be here. Yeah,

2447
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:32,960
Speaker 3: he's got to be here. He's not on the same

2448
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 3: level as Judon in this respect, but in a smaller

2449
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:38,960
Speaker 3: sense if they wanted to have any chance of being

2450
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:42,080
Speaker 3: competitive next year, I feel like they still have to

2451
01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 3: hang on to some of these piece, these veteran guys.

2452
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:48,599
Speaker 3: Judaan is a bigger piece obviously, but on a smaller scale,

2453
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:51,040
Speaker 3: a guy like Godshaw I think is still important. He's

2454
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 3: only twenty nine, so it's you can give him a

2455
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:55,160
Speaker 3: couple of years too. Yeah, I think I think he

2456
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:58,240
Speaker 3: wants wants the mula all right. Before we wrap it up,

2457
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:02,439
Speaker 3: Connor from Florida is asking the real questions of us

2458
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 3: out okay, and that is of the Boston Celtics and

2459
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:07,240
Speaker 3: what is going on at TV Guarden. You knew I

2460
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:10,479
Speaker 3: had to hit on this, Yeah, I thought Jwash, Jake Bates,

2461
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 3: I did, I did hear and people are tagging me

2462
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 3: on Twitter, but uh, Connor is talking about the national

2463
01:54:19,560 --> 01:54:22,560
Speaker 3: media and their reaction to Jason Tatum. I am not

2464
01:54:23,240 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 3: ready to pick on the national media yet because I've

2465
01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:29,200
Speaker 3: seen this movie before. You pick on the national media

2466
01:54:29,240 --> 01:54:32,160
Speaker 3: and everybody that doubted you after you win the title,

2467
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:36,560
Speaker 3: like when we're all at the start talking. But when

2468
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:39,200
Speaker 3: we're all at the parade in three weeks, that is

2469
01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:41,960
Speaker 3: when you can start picking on everybody, right, Like when

2470
01:54:42,120 --> 01:54:44,920
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen with the Patriots when they rattled off

2471
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:48,120
Speaker 3: the last Super Bowl. That's when we made the shirts

2472
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:51,600
Speaker 3: and got Nick Wright and Colin Coward and all these cacks. Right,

2473
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:54,840
Speaker 3: Wait until you win the ring. Then you brag. Then

2474
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:57,240
Speaker 3: you put everybody in their place. But that being said,

2475
01:54:57,480 --> 01:54:59,760
Speaker 3: you covered the game on Tuesday. I was at the

2476
01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:02,000
Speaker 3: game him as a fan on Tuesday. One of the

2477
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:06,680
Speaker 3: best live basketball games I've probably been to in quite

2478
01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 3: a while, probably since Like the Paul Pierce KG Celtics

2479
01:55:10,040 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 3: atmosphere was off the off the change.

2480
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with these crowd mics,

2481
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 1: Like it's not coming across on TV the way I

2482
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:18,480
Speaker 1: mean that that building was electric.

2483
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:23,040
Speaker 3: It was electric. I we are obviously not old enough

2484
01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:27,120
Speaker 3: to see have seen Larry Bird play with our own eyes, unfortunately,

2485
01:55:27,960 --> 01:55:31,760
Speaker 3: but I've seen the highlight of Larry Bird stealing the

2486
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:34,520
Speaker 3: ball underneath the basket and passing it to DJ a

2487
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 3: million times. And the Jalen Brown steal Pascal Siakam play

2488
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:42,800
Speaker 3: was so remedy. I know he didn't score right off

2489
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:45,360
Speaker 3: of it, but it was very reminiscent of that where

2490
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:49,080
Speaker 3: the game was over for all intents and purposes and

2491
01:55:49,160 --> 01:55:53,400
Speaker 3: they literally stole the game. UH from UH Detroit back

2492
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:56,440
Speaker 3: then with Larry Bird and and from UH Indiana on

2493
01:55:57,240 --> 01:56:00,560
Speaker 3: on Tuesday night. Great atmosphere. I think that two biggest

2494
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:05,000
Speaker 3: moments that were when they got the ball back, you know,

2495
01:56:05,160 --> 01:56:07,960
Speaker 3: late before the Jalen Brown shot. I got a little excited.

2496
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:10,120
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, like you still got a chance.

2497
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:12,640
Speaker 3: Isn't over yet. Then they hit the shot and I

2498
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:14,880
Speaker 3: did a fist pump or something. You know, I was

2499
01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:18,080
Speaker 3: pretty excited. When Jason Tatum hit the three in overtime

2500
01:56:18,360 --> 01:56:21,040
Speaker 3: to give them the four point lead, I went crazy,

2501
01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:23,720
Speaker 3: like that was when I lost my mind because that

2502
01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:25,520
Speaker 3: was when I was like, oh my god, they're actually

2503
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:28,640
Speaker 3: gonna win this freaking game. So that was incredible. I

2504
01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:33,520
Speaker 3: think this series is going to be very similar to

2505
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:37,000
Speaker 3: remember that Brooklyn series in twenty twenty two. They swept

2506
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:39,680
Speaker 3: Brooklyn in the first round, but each game was pretty

2507
01:56:39,720 --> 01:56:42,440
Speaker 3: close competitive, so it wasn't it wasn't like a true

2508
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:45,760
Speaker 3: like butt kicking. It was honestly a very competitive sweep.

2509
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:47,800
Speaker 3: If you can have one of those. I wonder if

2510
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:50,200
Speaker 3: this series is gonna be like that, where like each

2511
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:54,040
Speaker 3: game is gonna be a bar fight to quote KG. Yeah,

2512
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:57,400
Speaker 3: but the Celtics are just the more veteran, savvy, better

2513
01:56:57,520 --> 01:56:59,680
Speaker 3: team and they're just gonna end up winning some of

2514
01:56:59,720 --> 01:57:02,520
Speaker 3: these those games that the Pacers just fumble the ball

2515
01:57:02,840 --> 01:57:05,800
Speaker 3: literally Tyres Halliburton. H. So I wonder if this is

2516
01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:08,040
Speaker 3: gonna be that kind of series. Yeah, we'll see. I

2517
01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:12,880
Speaker 3: The big thing for me, like Miles Turner killed them

2518
01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:16,240
Speaker 3: in game one him and in Siakam they're they're pick

2519
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:18,480
Speaker 3: and roll defense, and I was watching I watched the

2520
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:20,960
Speaker 3: game last night with the Western Conference. You got a

2521
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:23,480
Speaker 3: scout ahead for the finals, right, give me the all

2522
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 3: ten Evan. If they don't figure out their pick and

2523
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:29,760
Speaker 3: roll defense and then they play Luca and Kyrie in

2524
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:31,600
Speaker 3: the finals, they're gonna have issue.

2525
01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:33,120
Speaker 1: Well, I think what makes it tough they're getting to

2526
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:35,160
Speaker 1: taste their own medicine here because you have Miles Turner.

2527
01:57:35,200 --> 01:57:36,800
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a seven footer, but like six ten,

2528
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:43,160
Speaker 1: six eleven, right long, dude, you can't like Dallas doesn't

2529
01:57:43,200 --> 01:57:45,640
Speaker 1: have Karl Anthony Towns. Would concern me more because Karl

2530
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:48,880
Speaker 1: Anthony town is a big dudoo can shoot Miles Turner

2531
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:51,600
Speaker 1: six eleven. You want to play drop coverage on the

2532
01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:53,480
Speaker 1: big guy, but he can just hit the shot if

2533
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:55,880
Speaker 1: you play drop coverage on him. And that's what they've

2534
01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:58,720
Speaker 1: done to teams with Porzingis all the year. And that's

2535
01:57:58,760 --> 01:58:01,320
Speaker 1: why I don't think this is a week they need

2536
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:03,840
Speaker 1: Porzingis to counter guy like Turner. Turner is gonna win

2537
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:05,880
Speaker 1: the Pacers a game at some point in the series.

2538
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:07,960
Speaker 1: It'll probably be tonight. Just given the way these game

2539
01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:09,920
Speaker 1: twos have gone, I like them tonight. I think the

2540
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:11,240
Speaker 1: Celtics we've been.

2541
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:17,680
Speaker 3: Game too. I think they wanted they're wearing different jerseys.

2542
01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:19,960
Speaker 1: They know this is an issue, like they I know,

2543
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but I think and they talked

2544
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:25,120
Speaker 1: a lot about that after Game one. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I just think if they had Porzingis, I'd feel much

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01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:30,920
Speaker 1: more confident. This is the first time that really because

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01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:33,800
Speaker 1: Jared Allen was out right that Cleveland series. I think

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Speaker 1: this is the first time they're really being tested in

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Speaker 1: terms of a big man, especially a big man that

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Speaker 1: can stretch the floor without Porzingis, and you saw his

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01:58:40,680 --> 01:58:43,520
Speaker 1: absence much more. Now they're getting Xavier Tillman back tonight,

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01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:47,440
Speaker 1: so maybe that helps because that's kind of Tillman's role.

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Speaker 1: And he missed he had personal reasons he missed Game one.

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Speaker 1: But I still think Turner can. I'm surprised Pacers went

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Speaker 1: away from Turner as much as they did in the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter of that game. Turner can still be an

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Speaker 1: X factor.

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