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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Draft Season, everybody. I am John Schmuck who's

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Speaker 2: always joined on by a partner in crime. Tony Pauline

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Speaker 2: from Sports Kita, Tony, good to talk to you, man.

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Speaker 2: Uh not a weekend of college football full of you know,

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Speaker 2: huge rivalry games or top ten teams basing each other.

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Speaker 1: But we did have some pretty good ball games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we get. I mean this is uh the whole

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Speaker 3: you know, realignment of college football has kind of thrown

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Speaker 3: things into uh, you know, the first couple of weeks

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Speaker 3: linger on more than they should. We did have a

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Speaker 3: few good games, and we will have more moving forward

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Speaker 3: to I mean, starting this coming week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So let's start with I think probably the game of

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Speaker 2: the week in terms of competitiveness and two teams that

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Speaker 2: are pretty good and that it's LSU and South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: I want to start there here, Tony.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that game and what you saw from

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Speaker 2: those two SEC teams.

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Speaker 3: Well, it was a wild game. I mean South Carolina

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Speaker 3: dominated the early part of the game, the LSU came

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Speaker 3: So that was that was an that was a very

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Speaker 3: entertaining game to watch, all four hours of it because

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Speaker 3: the game didn't end until almost until after four o'clock

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Speaker 3: in the afternoon. I mean a couple of things. It's

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Speaker 3: tough to talk about the defense, considering the final score

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Speaker 3: with a thirty six to thirty three or something like that,

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Speaker 3: I think off the top, what stood out to me

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Speaker 3: about that game was how ineffective and how poor Will Campbell,

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Speaker 3: the left tackle of LSU, look I mean, he looked

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Speaker 3: I noticed about Will Campbell going back to when I

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Speaker 3: did my film work on LSU over the summer. He

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Speaker 3: doesn't play with that killer instinct. You know. Last week

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Speaker 3: I heaped praise on Kelvin Banks, the offensive tackle left

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Speaker 3: tackle from Texas. Will Campbell is getting beat left and right,

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Speaker 3: and when he is engaged in the block, he just

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Speaker 3: the ground. That's something to keep an eye on. You know.

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Speaker 3: On my rankings, I have Kelvin Banks slightly below Will Campbell.

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Speaker 3: But Campbell it wasn't that he just wasn't impressive. He

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Speaker 3: was bad on Saturday against a you know, South Carolina

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Speaker 3: team that doesn't have great pass rushers. Kyle Canard, the transfer,

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Speaker 3: had an outstanding game, but most scouts great him as

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Speaker 3: a undrafted free agent, not even a priority free agent.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that change moving changes moving forward. If Canard is

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Speaker 3: the interior defensive lineman of South Carolina, had his moments.

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Speaker 3: He's a guy who if you watched the Georgia game

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Speaker 3: last year, he was a one man show. He takes

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Speaker 3: But Sanders, the interior defensive tackle from South Carolina, is

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Speaker 3: a guy that's got Day two potential if he enters

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Speaker 3: a draft. Keep an eye on Will Campbell. I mean

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Speaker 3: not played all that well this year. He was not

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Speaker 3: I mean, I figure he's going to be a top

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When I watched his tape from last year over the summer,

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Speaker 2: he looked like he sure has. Heck looked like a

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Speaker 2: Tony from that game. A player that we talked about,

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Speaker 2: I think at this time last year was Raheem Sanders,

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Speaker 1: But he's come off to a strong start this year.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen carries one hundred and forty three yards too touch

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Speaker 3: You know, I if he continues to play the way

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Speaker 3: And he was you know, he was dominated against ls.

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Speaker 3: You had a terrific game. But again you're looking at

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Speaker 1: What do you think of enus Meyer? And we haven't

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Speaker 2: We know in the last year he flashed and now

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Speaker 2: he did well with the first couple of games this year.

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Speaker 2: He you know, he's a little bit of like a

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Speaker 3: Solid, not spectacular four than year junior. Let's see how

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Speaker 3: he does this year. You know, I don't see any

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Speaker 3: behind Jayden ganis the prior two years, you know, a

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Speaker 2: All right, let's jump over to another SEC team, Alabama

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Speaker 2: taking on Wisconsin. In this game, Jim and Milroe continues

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Speaker 2: to flash Tony. I went back and I watched him

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Speaker 2: But you want to talk about him and the Wisconsin

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Speaker 3: I think you saw what that game against Wisconsin. You

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Speaker 3: Because he has all the physical skills. It is just

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Speaker 2: And then how about the two players from Wisconsin. You

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Speaker 3: Pauling, Well, I mean vandyk. It's just it's just said,

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Speaker 3: what happened to him? You know, he was playing well,

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Speaker 3: he played very, uh, you know, uninspired football at Miami.

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Speaker 2: On, No question, I think Van Dyke was five to

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Speaker 1: They hate to see it.

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Speaker 2: Another group of fans that have hated to see everything

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Speaker 2: that filed the Florida State seminals what is going on?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean, you know it's just bad. I mean,

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Speaker 3: no one's producing there. It's not just the quarterback Ukulele

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Speaker 3: are taking care of Patrick Payton. I mean, these guys

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Speaker 3: interesting with the Florida State. Roydale Williams has had his moments,

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Speaker 3: last year in Oregon State. These guys have been failures

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. All right, let's jump over

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Speaker 1: to Georgia and Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: I think I was surprised this game was as close

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Speaker 1: Tony jumped out in this game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, first, I think you got to start with

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Speaker 3: They're terrific run stuffing, the linebacker jam and Dumas Johnson,

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Speaker 2: Offensive players for Georgia here Tony, Trevor Atn and Carson

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't one with a ton of power between

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Speaker 2: All right, two other games, real quick, Tony, before we

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Speaker 1: First, Colorado Colorado State.

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Speaker 2: I watched a lot of this game, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Tory Horton, the wide receiver for Colorado State, not one

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Speaker 1: And you're right.

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Speaker 2: Moody's dot com. All right, so for this weekend, next week,

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Speaker 1: So it'll be this episode will be offense.

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Speaker 1: Here, Tony, I think.

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Speaker 3: of their Big ten schedule. But there were times I

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Speaker 3: went into the summer being kind of hot and cold

435
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Speaker 3: on Drew A. Lar. There are times when you look

436
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Speaker 3: at his pocket passing skills, he is phenomenal. I mean,

437
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 3: he's just an outstanding pocket passer. But again, we want

438
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Speaker 3: to see the consistency this year quin viewers. I know

439
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Speaker 3: a lot of people love him and talk about him

440
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Speaker 3: as a top ten pick. I think he's a gunslinger.

441
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Speaker 3: He's got a good arm. There are some things about

442
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Speaker 3: yours game that really concerns me. He tends to stare

443
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Speaker 3: down the primary target. He's very slow pulling the trigger.

444
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Speaker 3: I mentioned this led to people in Texas last year.

445
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Speaker 3: They say, well, he just doesn't want to make a mistake.

446
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 3: I still see that this year now he's got the

447
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Speaker 3: injury and Archie Manning is playing. We'll see when when

448
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 3: Uwers gets back on the field. But of all the

449
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 3: top quarterbacks, that is the one that I'm most concerned about.

450
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Speaker 3: And a lot of scouts that have when you have

451
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Speaker 3: a third round great on win yours. They're not sold

452
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Speaker 3: on yours because of the slowness pulling the trigger, because

453
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Speaker 3: of the fact that he stares down the primary target.

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Speaker 1: All right, three more quarterbacks, Tony.

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Speaker 2: I want to touch on that you have day two

456
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Speaker 2: grades on cam Ward out of Miami. Obviously the transfer

457
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Speaker 2: Jackson Dart out of Mississippi. Those two guys probably have

458
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Speaker 2: the best numbers, Tony, of the quarterbacks we've talked about.

459
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Speaker 1: They've been very productive the first few weeks.

460
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Speaker 2: And then you have Connor Weigman from Texas A and

461
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Speaker 2: m as your other day three, day two grade. Part

462
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Speaker 2: of me, does Ward and Dart here have a chance

463
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Speaker 2: to elevate themselves into round two or even day one

464
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Speaker 2: conversation if they continue their production?

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Speaker 3: Ward absolutely, you know he pounded to Florida in Gainesville.

466
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Speaker 3: Everybody thought it was great in a Florida gets. You know,

467
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Speaker 3: their lunch handed to him by Texas A and M

468
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Speaker 3: this week in Gainesville, So you got that kind of

469
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Speaker 3: takes the shine off of that gaming for you. Will.

470
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Speaker 3: He's got a couple of big games coming up. He

471
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Speaker 3: plays against Virginia Tech that's got a terrific second then

472
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Speaker 3: Ward and the Miami Hurricanes play against Louisville that has

473
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Speaker 3: a terrific secondary. Let's see how he does against those

474
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Speaker 3: talented teams. But everything looks good. He's got he's got

475
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Speaker 3: great physical skills. Ye uh. And really what he's shown

476
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Speaker 3: in the early part, especially in Florida, is he's got

477
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Speaker 3: it going on between the ears. He's got great poise,

478
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Speaker 3: and he's got great control of the offense. If that

479
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Speaker 3: continues on, I could absolutely see him vaulting into potentially

480
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Speaker 3: the first round. You look at his size, you look

481
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Speaker 3: at the armstrength. Some team, some coach is gonna fall

482
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Speaker 3: in love with that. I think Jackson Dart he doesn't

483
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Speaker 3: have those same physical skills. Watch Jackson Dart. Let me

484
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Speaker 3: know what you think of his arm strength, because he's

485
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Speaker 3: not a guy. He's more of a game manager, and

486
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Speaker 3: he does it very well. But he's not a guy

487
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Speaker 3: that can drive the passes downfield like Schador Sanders, like

488
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Speaker 3: cam Ward, like Drewlar, like Jalen Milroe. Those deep passes

489
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Speaker 3: tend to float. Doesn't have great velocity on the outs,

490
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Speaker 3: which is why I think he will be on the

491
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Speaker 3: outside looking in as far as a guy that could

492
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Speaker 3: make a big move of draft boards.

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Speaker 2: I do think, though I agree with all that, Tony,

494
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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with anything he said about Dart. I

495
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 2: think he's very accurate, and I think more so than

496
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Speaker 2: any of these guys we've talked about. I think he

497
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: throws a better anticipation than any of the guys, Like

498
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Speaker 2: he will release the ball before the guy's even getting

499
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Speaker 2: into his break, and he'll get it there on time.

500
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Speaker 2: So I do think it's it's a real nice contrast

501
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Speaker 2: here with some of these guys in terms of what

502
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Speaker 2: their strengths and what their weaknesses are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And I agree with you about Dart. But

504
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 3: when you when it comes down the draft time, you know,

505
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Speaker 3: what you describe is sort of a Peyton Manning type

506
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Speaker 3: of quarterback, you know versus Ryan Leaf, you know. And

507
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Speaker 3: I love Manning because of that, because of this past

508
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Speaker 3: placement and think and I like Jackson Dart. I have

509
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Speaker 3: Jackson dark great as a third round pick, which is

510
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Speaker 3: much higher than most people. I just think it's the

511
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Speaker 3: lack of the arm strength with which is going to

512
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Speaker 3: sort of suppress his draft stock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then last thing on the quarterbacks here, Tony,

514
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Speaker 2: by the way, you're Riley Lennon Howard. They round out

515
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Speaker 2: your top ten both with fifth round grais you gonna comment?

516
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Speaker 2: And then if you want And I do wonder if

517
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: NFL teams and I don't know what's going on with

518
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: Bryce Young. Both of us really liked him coming out,

519
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: but I wonder if teams have learned a little bit

520
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 2: over the last few years. The quarterbacks that have had

521
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 2: success coming out have been the guys that had been

522
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Speaker 2: very toolsy and a guy like Young who's a little

523
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Speaker 2: bit shorter.

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Speaker 1: Again, he didn't have a great arm either.

525
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: It was fine, but I would say his arm was

526
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: you know, it's Jackson Dartish, right, It isn't that much different.

527
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Speaker 2: I wonder if teams are are just going to try

528
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Speaker 2: to aim now for the tools and trust that they

529
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Speaker 2: can coach some of these guys up at the next level.

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Speaker 3: Tools in the size I mean looking over the problem

531
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Speaker 3: to his happen, you know, with the concussions you gotta,

532
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 3: you know, and that was always the downfall of these

533
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 3: RPO mobile smaller quarterbacks. You know, how were they going

534
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Speaker 3: to be able to hold up against two hundred and

535
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Speaker 3: sixty five and seventy five pound defensive linemen that could

536
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Speaker 3: run for six four sixty five. So it's an interesting contrast.

537
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Speaker 3: You always there are I was gonna want the guy

538
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 3: that can throw the ball eighty yards down the field

539
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 3: because they feel that they can coach that guy to

540
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 3: be that player, to be a football player, to be

541
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Speaker 3: a quarterback in the NFL. That's where the problem arises though,

542
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 3: so a lot of times they can That's why you

543
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 3: have so many bus But I think with ry Sean, yeah,

544
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 3: I liked him too. He came across as a genius.

545
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: I just think there were so many bad things going

546
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: on in that Carolina organization. It's not going to help

547
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Speaker 3: bi Syaan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely. And then Kyler Murray, another smaller guy.

549
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Speaker 2: Tony he's had injury issues too, right. I think when

550
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: he's played, he's been productive. Like production isn't the problem

551
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: with Kyler Murray, but he's had injury issues throughout his

552
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: first three years too. That his his ACL he had hamstring.

553
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: I think his first couple of years too, So just

554
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Speaker 2: something to keep an eye on here. But I think

555
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Speaker 2: Tony all in all, I think given where we were

556
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Speaker 2: at this time last year, even in the offseason last year,

557
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Speaker 2: I think this quarterback class has turned out to be

558
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Speaker 2: maybe look a little bit stronger than we thought it would, right.

559
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Speaker 3: It can be. I mean, you know, everybody last year

560
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: at this point, we knew about Caleb Williams, you knew

561
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 3: about Dream, we didn't know about Jade Daniels. So I

562
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 3: think it can be very strong. These guys just have

563
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: to elevate their games and be more consistent to get

564
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: people more excited about them the way Jade and Daniels

565
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 3: got everybody excited about his play.

566
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like cam Ward has the best chance

567
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: to be this year's Jaden Daniels, right, the older player,

568
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: he's transferred to a couple different schools. We've seen the talent,

569
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: but he hasn't put it together yet. I think he's

570
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Speaker 2: the guy that I think Tony has the best chance

571
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: of elevating himself. And maybe Jail Milroe obviously he's a

572
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: little bit different, younger player.

573
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Speaker 1: He's been at Alabama.

574
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Speaker 2: People know him well but he's another guy that has

575
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: those physical tools that if it clicks, I think those

576
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: are the two guys that are the best chance to

577
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: be risers here on the board as we go along

578
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Speaker 2: during the.

579
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Speaker 3: Year, no doubt about it. I'm a Milroe fan, so

580
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: I'm partial to him. But what cam Ward has shown

581
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 3: in the early part of the season, you got to

582
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 3: be excited. If you're an NFL talent evaluator and you're

583
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 3: looking at quarterbacks.

584
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Speaker 1: All right, let's jump over to the running back position,

585
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: and they are.

586
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Speaker 2: In no doubt, Tony, this is a much better running

587
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Speaker 2: back class and what we had last year where we're

588
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: struggling to find guys to even get into the second

589
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: round of last year's draft. You have a couple guys

590
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Speaker 2: in first round grades. You already talked about Trevor A.

591
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Speaker 2: Tam We wanted to touch on him again. He's your

592
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Speaker 2: second right running back. Ashton Gionte at Boise State has

593
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: just been kind of night so far this year. He's

594
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: been fantastic. So let's start with those two guys. First,

595
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: you mentioned atn but why is Jontay top your board

596
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: here at the running back position at a Boise.

597
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Speaker 3: Well, because he's doing more on a weekly basis. I mean,

598
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: Trevor Aten is a smaller, quick, elusive scat back if

599
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: you will, although he's you know he does he's not

600
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: shy running on the inside. Geny can run around the corner.

601
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: Genty can pound that on the inside. He is a

602
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: terrific receiver out of the backfield. I mean he is

603
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: just so multi dimensional and multi multi faceted, and coming

604
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: into the season at n was rated higher on my

605
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: board than Genty. But you just look at what Genty's done,

606
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Speaker 3: and you look at against you know who he's done

607
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: it against. You know, after that week one win at

608
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: Georgia's other and it's just the overall skill. You know,

609
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: you have third down specialists, you have rotational backs. Gent

610
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: Y is the quote unquote feature runner, you know, a

611
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: term that has basically left the lingo as far as

612
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: the scouting's concern. But Genty is the guy who can

613
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: be a feature runner as an interior ball carrier on

614
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Speaker 3: the outside, a pass catcher not only out of the backfield,

615
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: but they also line him up on the slot occasionally

616
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Speaker 3: or on the flanksccasionally and he does a good job.

617
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 3: So it's just his overall game and he's probably gonna

618
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: test very well. I mean, he's not gonna be a

619
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Speaker 3: four to four guy, but you know he's gonna be

620
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: a high low four four guy, low four to five,

621
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Speaker 3: high four fours, well built, and he's a terrific player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

623
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Speaker 2: I have now watched TV copy him and so it

624
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Speaker 2: is gent, not Gionte, it's genty.

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Speaker 3: You're rescuing me to pronounce a name pronounced good luck

626
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 3: with that, brother.

627
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Speaker 1: I will have to. I will double check that. I

628
00:29:59,440 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: think glad it will.

629
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Speaker 2: I have not watched the Boise State game yet this year,

630
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Speaker 2: so I will double checking that pronunciation.

631
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Speaker 1: I should know that.

632
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: All right, you got two guys in the second round, Tony,

633
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: Damian Martinez and Omari and Hampton.

634
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: Tell the fans about them.

635
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: Martinez again. You know, if cam Ward is not passing

636
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: the ball at Miami with the Miami Hurricanes, he's gonna

637
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: hand it off to Damian Martinez. He transferred from Oregon State.

638
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: And you look at Martinez, you look at the measurables,

639
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: sixty one pounds, a guy who's gonna run in the

640
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: mid to high four five, and you think, oh, he's

641
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: just an interior pounder. But you watch him play and

642
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: he plays fast. He's explosive, he's quick, he has the

643
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: footwork necessary to beat, to make defenders miss, to avoid piles.

644
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Speaker 3: You know, he is it's strange and that he's a

645
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: big downhill grinder who plays exceptionally fast and has a

646
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: burst and has is multi faceted in his game. O'marion

647
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Speaker 3: Hampton is sort of the genty Gente type of the

648
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Speaker 3: sense that he's got the strength to run on the inside,

649
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: but he's got the quickkest inergilated to turn the corner

650
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: and he's a terrific pass catcher out of the backfield.

651
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: So I think Hampton, Martinez and Genti are all your

652
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: you know, three down tight backs, where Trevor Atien could

653
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 3: be a three down back, but more you know, in

654
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: a certain in certain schemes, a lot of talent in

655
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: these top four guys. These guys all have the potential

656
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 3: to be starters on Sunday.

657
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: All right, and all's jump to your next group of

658
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: running backs here, Tony. Also, you have another six guys

659
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: with Day two grades. These are all guys you have

660
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: in the third round. Jayda Not out of California, Donovan

661
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: Edwards out of Michigan, Nick Singleton out of Penn State.

662
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: We talked about him, Biltie, I think last Week of

663
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: the Week prior. Trevion Henderson of Ohio State, a guy

664
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: we talked about last year a lot.

665
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: He decided to stay back.

666
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: Uh.

667
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: Kyle Monting guy out of Rutgers, we talked about him

668
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: last year as well. He went back to school. I'll

669
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: lead Gordon from Oklahoma State. No, a lot of people

670
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: have higher grades on him than Round three. And say

671
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: for Quinn Shawn Jenkins, who is the transfer to Ohio State.

672
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: You know, even in Ohio State play any big time

673
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: teams on their schedule, yet they'll be coming up curious

674
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: to see how those guys work out. But your thoughts

675
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: on that large group of guys in a Round three?

676
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: Jay Knot is a guy who has just got incredible speed.

677
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 3: He's an explosive guy with decent size. He goes about

678
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: five eleven two eight pounds, and he's not only an

679
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: explosive running back, he's also a great return specialist. So

680
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: he's gonna fit in that day to area. Donovan Edwards,

681
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: we've talked about him in the past. He's been okay

682
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: this year. I would have liked to see more from

683
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: him being that he is now the feature runner at Michigan.

684
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: But as we talked about in past I mean Michigan

685
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: lost what six offensive linemen. They took about losing JJ McCarthy,

686
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: Klar and everybody, they also lost six offensive lineman which

687
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: is going to hurt him. Singleton, we talked about Trayvon

688
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: Henderson and Jenkins. There are different types of backs. Jenkins

689
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 3: is more your downhill grinder Treyvon Henderson. He's got better speed,

690
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: he's got better quickness, he's more creative. Maneghi of Rutgers

691
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: is a guy that you know, he reminds me of

692
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 3: Curtis Martin, and I know that's pretty big praise, but

693
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: he's a guy who just finds ways to pick up

694
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: positive yardage every time the ball is in his hands.

695
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: Five nine, two and five pounds, probably gonna run in

696
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: the low four or fives. Was kind of surprised he

697
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: went back to Rutgers this year because I knew there

698
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: was going to be a big workload on his shoulders.

699
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: Scouts great him as a third rounder, just a terrific.

700
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: Doesn't do too much catching the ball on the backfield,

701
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 3: in large part because the Rutgers passing game has been

702
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 3: so bad in recent years, but he does. He's a

703
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: terrific ball carried with great vision, with great instincts and

704
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 3: consistently picks up big yardage or even the important yardage

705
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: when the ball is in his hands.

706
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: All right, let's jump to the pass catches here, Tony,

707
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: the wide receivers and the tight ends. We're already talking

708
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: about all three of these guys, but you have three

709
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: players with first greats.

710
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: McMillan I think is going to be a top five pick.

711
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: McMillan is going to be the guy that everybody the

712
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: receiver that everybody wants to move up to get that

713
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: could be upset by Travis Hunter because team will say, well, listen,

714
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 3: we're gonna have Travis Hunters, you know, as a as

715
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 3: a receiver, and then we'll put him on the field

716
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: and our nickel or dine packages. And he's got the

717
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: athleticism you know, to to also be a return specialist.

718
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 3: McMillan's the most natural of them all of all, and

719
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 3: he's got the best size of all the of all

720
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 3: the top receivers, Travis Hunter is you know you're looking

721
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 3: at Travis Hunter. He's a good receiver. Now you're projecting

722
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: out as to what a great player he could be

723
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: two or three years down the line. Luther Burden is

724
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 3: just a game breaker. I mean, he's a terrific pass catcher.

725
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 3: He plays fast, he shows the ability to hit the

726
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: home run, and he comes up with big play after

727
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: big play, and he does it all in a body

728
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: that's five eleven two hundred and five pounds, So he's

729
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: not a small receiver by any means.

730
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's thick like.

731
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: He's one of those guys that's very tough to tackle

732
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: once he has the ball in the hands. I'm with you,

733
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 2: all right, let's stick with the wide receiver, Tony, and

734
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: we'll hit tight end after we finished with the wide receivers.

735
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: Two second round grades for you.

736
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 2: Isaiah Bond, the speedster, went from Alabama transferred to Texas.

737
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: He's got that over the top speed kind of there's

738
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: aeviare Worthy replacement there in Texas, right.

739
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: And then you have Evan Stewart out of Oregon.

740
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: I mean, Bond saw him last year at Alabama. It

741
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 3: was I guess it was a surprise to many they

742
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: decided to transfer to Texas. But he's got that home

743
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: run hitting speed. He's a guy that will take the

744
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: fenders deep. Same thing with Evan Stewart. Stuart's not as

745
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 3: refined as Bond. Right now, you could probably say he's

746
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: a better athlete than he is a receiver transferred out

747
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 3: of Texas A and M to Oregon. He's been a

748
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: little bit slow out of the gate. Now you get

749
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: into the medi of that Big ten schedule, let's see

750
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: how he does. But he is a terrific athlete who's

751
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 3: got game breaking speed, who can make the big play,

752
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: who really needs a lot of polish on his game.

753
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I did miss mechag Buka.

754
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: He's your third receiver with a second round grade someone

755
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: Again we talked a lot about last year. We thought

756
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: he could sneak into the back end of the first

757
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: if he's very productive. And now he's gonna get overshadowed

758
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: all the year by Jeremiah Smith, Tony the fresh mental

759
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: house state who's been unbelievable as a true freshman. But

760
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: do you think could could still kind of stick out

761
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: here and try to sneak back into the back end

762
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: of the first round.

763
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be very tough, and last year

764
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: he was overshadowed by Marvin Harris the prior to year

765
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 3: shout out by Marvin Harrison. Right, he's got good, you know,

766
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 3: decent size, speed, number six pounds, four to four nine speed, fast,

767
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: but not a true vertical threat. You know, he's a nice,

768
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: complimentary receiver. And I think for any guy like that,

769
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: it's going to be very difficult for him to be

770
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: a top thirty two pick, and I think it could

771
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: be a top It can be difficult for him to

772
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: be a top forty pick.

773
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: All right, So I got let's see, I think nine

774
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: guys with either round three or three four grades on

775
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: him for you, I'll list him real quick. You don't

776
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 2: have to hit all of them, Tony. You just talking

777
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: about any guys you feel like are worth mentioning. You

778
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: got Adam Randall out of Clemson, Daiquon Felton out of

779
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech, Kobe Prentiss out of Alabama, Jalen Lane from

780
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech, Barrion Brown out of Kentucky, and Antoine Wells

781
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 2: at Ole Miss Sam Brown from Florida from a Miami

782
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 2: part of me and he was a transfer.

783
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about him before. So any of

784
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: those guys jump out at Toude.

785
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: Brown is the guy to keep an eye on. I

786
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 3: have right now a late third, early fourth round Great

787
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: Islands transfer from Houston terrific size, speed, sixty two, one

788
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety eight pounds, four four or five. You know,

789
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: has made some nice plays in the early going for Miami.

790
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 3: Let's see if he's If he's able to build a

791
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: rapport with cam Ward, I could see him making a

792
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: big jump up draft boards day Kwon Felton the transfer

793
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: from I believe was Norfolk State to Virginia Tech. Super

794
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: senior six ' four and a half, twenty fifteen pounds,

795
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: terrific possession type receiver, which goes along well with Jalen

796
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: Lane the trans at Virginia Tech. The transfer middle Tennessee

797
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: by foot, nine hundred and ninety six pounds, but he's

798
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: a low four to four guy, so he is the

799
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 3: vertical threat in that Virginia Tech offense. They work well.

800
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 3: They worked well with each other. Antoine Wells of Mississippi

801
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 3: thought of highly in the scouting community. Transferred from South

802
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: Carolina terrific size six ft, two hundred and eight pounds.

803
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: Was a real good pass catcher South Carolina before going

804
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 3: down early in the twenty twenty three season. He's got

805
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 3: a lot of ability, but he's he's got to get

806
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: his game back to where it was, you know early

807
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 3: in the South South Carolina career before the injury.

808
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: All right, Tony.

809
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: We mentioned how the running back class this year is

810
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: better than last year. I think the same can be

811
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 2: said about the tight end class. Aside from Brock Bowers,

812
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: who obviously is a top fifteen type of player last year,

813
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: but Colson Loveland, the tight end from Michigan. You have

814
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: a second round grade on him, along with Jake brinning

815
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: School out of Clemson and Mason Taylor out of LSU.

816
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, britting Stool is a guy that when you look

817
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: at the internet, you look at these mackreas, she really

818
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 3: doesn't get a lot of love. But the guy six

819
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: five and a half to thirty one pounds he runs

820
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: in the four six is you know. A lot has

821
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: gone wrong for Clemson football the past couple of years,

822
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 3: Brainstool is one of the few things that has gone

823
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 3: right for Clemson football. I mean, he is a big,

824
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 3: long target who plays the tight end position like the receiver.

825
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 3: He's not a bad blocker, He's a solid blocker, and

826
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 3: I think he's got the potential to be a number

827
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: one tight end on Sunday as do Couston Lovelin the

828
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: Michigan tight end another longer receiver catches the ball extremely well.

829
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: They line them up all over the field. He was,

830
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 3: you know when people thought that they were going to

831
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,959
Speaker 3: run the ball last year with JJ McCarthy, he picked

832
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 3: he throw it out to Loveland, went down with an

833
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 3: injury Saturday, walked off the field in the Michigan who

834
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: they play Arkansas State game, So you got to keep

835
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: an eye on that. But he's got an NFL type body.

836
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 3: Mason Taylor's got great bloodlines. He's a terrific pass catcher,

837
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: six to four and a half, two hundred and forty

838
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: five pounds, runs in the four to six's. You know

839
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 3: you talked about the LSU quarterback of earlier in the show.

840
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: They've got a good running game. I think Mason tailor.

841
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: They don't have the explosive talent at receiver as we've

842
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: seen in the past, especially as we saw last year.

843
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: So I think Mason Taylor has got the opportunity to

844
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: get a lot of reps this year at the tight

845
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: end position. He's got a ton of upside. It's a

846
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 3: fun guy to watch.

847
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: Any other tight ends you think worth Meschaney, Tony, Rondi

848
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: Gadson the second obviously, that's the end that jumps out

849
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: to me. Anybody else with those you know, third, fourth

850
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 2: round grades that you think is worth talking about.

851
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: Here, Well, that way, it would be a Randy Gatson

852
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: who moves from receiver to tight end this year. He's

853
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: a big He was a bigger possession receiver who everyone

854
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: knew was going to going to be a tight end,

855
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: was injured last year, I believe in the second game

856
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 3: of the twenty twenty three campaign. Comes back this year.

857
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: Obviously the name sticks out, but the talent also sticks out,

858
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 3: because he is a big, natural pass catcher who does

859
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 3: a good job or has always done a good job.

860
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: But again, you know, like Antwine Wells of Mississippi now

861
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: has to return from an injury which put him on

862
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: the sidelines for most of twenty twenty three.

863
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: All right, let's jump over to the offensive line here, Tony,

864
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: we talked about a couple of these guys already. Will

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00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 2: Campbell is still your number one tackle. You have Kelvin

866
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: Banks right behind them. Then you have three guys with

867
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: a kind of first and second round grades, kind of

868
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: that end of the first beginning of the second round

869
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: type of deal. You've got Emory Jones out of LSU,

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00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: Josh Connelly out of Oregon, and Diego Pounds out of Mississippi.

871
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: We've already talked about Campbell and Banks. Talked about Banks

872
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: at length last week, so viewers want to go back

873
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 3: and see that. Emery Jones. I know a lot of

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00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: people think of him as a lock first rounder. I

875
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 3: don't know. He's sixty four and a half. He is

876
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 3: strictly a right tackle. I think he can be a

877
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: first rounder. I just am not as high on him

878
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: as others. I am incredibly high on Josh Connerley, the

879
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 3: left tackle for Oregon. He's very he's mobile, he's terrific

880
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: in past protection. He's outstanding blocking on the second level.

881
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,479
Speaker 3: The only thing is is he may measure barely six

882
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: foot four, So you know, are you okay with a

883
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: left tackle that's six foot four? If you are, then

884
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: Josh Connery is a first round pick.

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00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: So I imagine armlink for him is going to be

886
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: a big deal, right all right, of.

887
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Speaker 3: Course, of course it is with any potential left tackle.

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00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 3: Diego Pounds protected the blind side of Drake May last

889
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: year at North Carolina and his film just blew me away.

890
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: I watched it and he was just I was like,

891
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: who is this guy? He transferred to Mississippi this year,

892
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 3: so now he's protecting blindside of Jackson Dart. He's a

893
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 3: bigger guy, He's got a thick NFL bill. He blocked

894
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 3: with terrific fundamentals. I think with Diego Pounds and we'll

895
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: find out in the SEC does he have the mobility,

896
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: does the footwork to stay at left tackle or is

897
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: he going to be a right tackle on Sunday. But

898
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 3: the fact is Diego Pounds is now at Mississippi is

899
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 3: an absolute NFL prospect at the tackle position.

900
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: And then the next four guys on your list, Tony

901
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: are all tackles as well, all at second round or

902
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: two of them with second grind grades. Josh Simmons from

903
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: Ohio State, Blake Miller from Clemson. Then your next two

904
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: players ariante URSII from Minnesota that's probably not even close

905
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: to being correct, and then Jonah SEVENA out of Arizona

906
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: all tackles.

907
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: Got Simmons I thought played much better than people gave

908
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 3: him credit for. It Ohio State. This is a big

909
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: year for him. You know, we've seen a lot of

910
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 3: good offensive tackles come out of Ohio State. A good

911
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: pass blocking left tackle who shows terrific footwork off the edge,

912
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: Blake Miller has been up and down at Clemson, but

913
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: he's got He's a big guy, he's got an NFL body,

914
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: he's strong, shows some ability on the second level versa

915
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 3: of Minnesota six ' six three and thirty five pounds,

916
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: moves exceptionally well. Just needs to polish his game, but

917
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 3: he's got a lot of upside. The Arizona tackle Jonas

918
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 3: cenavea big, strong right tackle prospect, dominates upon its at

919
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, drives them off the line of scrimmage.

920
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: Not bad in pass protection, but he's a strong side blocker.

921
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: Depending on what I think of Connory Tony, you don't

922
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Speaker 2: have a guard center show up until round three on

923
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: your rankings.

924
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,479
Speaker 1: Here, tell me about the interior group.

925
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and the center class is just terrible right now.

926
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Speaker 3: I mean what will probably happen is, as we've seen

927
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 3: in years past, there will be tackles or even guards

928
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 3: that are projected to center, which may save the class

929
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: but right now the center class really isn't a good one.

930
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 3: Jaden Roberts of Alabama is your prototypical Alabama type of

931
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 3: offensive lineman. Big more punch in the mouth type of

932
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 3: how we're blocking lineman. You can say the same thing

933
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: of Dylan about Film. A fairchild of Georgia who's got

934
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: enough size to play the tackle position. Charles Grant, who

935
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: we talked about at length with Jim Naggy in our

936
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Speaker 3: Senior Bowl interview. He is a left tackle at William

937
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: and Mary. Six four and a half two hundred and

938
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: ninety two pounds project him the guard mobile, zone blocking

939
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 3: type of lineman. Real good on the second level, real

940
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: good in pass protection, but really has to improve his

941
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: strength at the point of attack, which you would expect

942
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 3: from a guy coming from William and Mary. I would expect.

943
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: As we talked about with Jim Naggy. We talked about

944
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: whatever Galco We're going to see Charles Grant in either

945
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 3: the Shrine Bowl or the Senior Bowl. I think people

946
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 3: are going to be blown away by the way he

947
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 3: moves on his feet. And then Donovan Jackson of Ohio State.

948
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 3: I mean we mentioned Josh Simmons of Ohio State. A

949
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: little while ago, Donovan Jackson was a player who a

950
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: year ago, at this time, some people were projecting as

951
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 3: a potential late first round pick. He had a terrible

952
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: year last year at Ohio State, as much of that,

953
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 3: as much as that as much of that offensive line

954
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,479
Speaker 3: and offense did and disappoint the last year. He made

955
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 3: the He made the proper decision. He made the best

956
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: decision going back to school. Jackson is the guy six

957
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: five and a half three or eighteen pounds, very athletic,

958
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: very mobile, a zone blocking lineman who just has to

959
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: improve and get this game back to where it was

960
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two and take it from there.

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Speaker 2: All right, folks, that's draft season for this week, Tony.

962
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Speaker 2: Anything you want to add before we say goodbye?

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00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 3: Nope, I mean next week we'll the next show will

964
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Speaker 3: do defense and that'll be fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and again we'll see folks. I'll tweet something

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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 2: When I tweet this episode out, I'll let you know

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Speaker 2: if we're gonna have an episode next week or if

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Speaker 2: we are just gonna wait till after that.

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Speaker 1: Giants.

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Speaker 2: Thursday night came when things get a little bit crazy

972
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Speaker 2: around here, So we'll keep you updated, we'll let you know,

973
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: and we're gonna have to Tony's top ten defense in

974
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: that show, so it'll be must watch. And then maybe

975
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Speaker 2: we'll start mixing and some more guests as we move along.

976
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Speaker 2: As college football heats up, Tony, we'll get some really

977
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: good games every weekend for us to talk about. There'll

978
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Speaker 2: be a lot to do here on Draft season, all

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Speaker 2: brought to you by Moody's, a proud sponsor of the

980
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: New York Football Giants. Thanks for being with us, everybody.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time on Draft season.