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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news, our companies, how our banks?

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Speaker 1: How are consumers positioning ahead of what may be a

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Speaker 1: pretty volatile second term for Donald Trump. We've got the

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Speaker 1: perfect guest to talk about just that. Tobias, my DHL

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Speaker 1: Group's CEO, is in London just to see us, I'm told,

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Speaker 1: joins us around the table. Tobias, a pleasure to have

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Speaker 1: you on the program. Walk us through kind of this

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Speaker 1: positioning story around Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: What are you hearing?

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Speaker 1: Are people worried? Are you seeing that show up in the.

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Speaker 3: Likes of some of the flows, Well, definitely, I mean

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Speaker 3: it's a big topic. I was in South America just

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Speaker 3: two weeks ago for an entire week in Mexico.

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Speaker 2: In Brazil, in Colombia as.

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Speaker 3: Well, and especially the Mexican economy being so closely tied

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Speaker 3: to the US, it's a big topic. What will happen

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Speaker 3: also amongst our customers. We have supply chains, they are

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Speaker 3: being closely integrated, a lot of parts coming from Mexico

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Speaker 3: into plants in the US as well, so there's concern

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Speaker 3: around that. But also on I think the Pacific, the

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Speaker 3: China US trade being quite a strong element of that

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Speaker 3: being b two c as well, So it's discussion about

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Speaker 3: deminimus again the Transatlantic being more about industrials like Eldermorti.

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Speaker 4: Is any evidence that people are front running the terraces?

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Speaker 4: Are you seeing any stock built coming through? Maybe in

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Speaker 4: the States.

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Speaker 3: Hard to say, but there's a good volume in the

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Speaker 3: last weeks. We see that in ocean freight, We see

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Speaker 3: that in their freight. The year has been quite volatile.

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Speaker 3: We had very strong exports out of China for many

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Speaker 3: weeks on the ocean freight side especially, so strong growth there,

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Speaker 3: but it has been volatile, so it's hard to call

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Speaker 3: out whether there's really a strong element of that.

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Speaker 1: Now you mentioned the South American aspect as well. Part

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Speaker 1: of the Trump trade has been an expectation or a

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Speaker 1: ramp up of this frond shoring dynamic. Is there evidence

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Speaker 2: Well? Definitely.

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Speaker 3: As it relates to Mexico, I do think we see,

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Speaker 3: for a variety of reasons that this diversification of the

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Speaker 2: I think for the rest of the world, this is

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Speaker 2: quite different.

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Speaker 3: We see more things shifting to Southeast Asia, but we've

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Speaker 3: also seen customers putting production back into China, recognizing that

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Speaker 3: this is the market where the supply chain is the deepest,

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Speaker 3: the capacity is the largest, and many people still think

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Speaker 5: I mean, you're based in Europe. When we're talking about

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Speaker 5: trade under Donald Trump, how do you think that Europe's

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Speaker 5: going to retaliate? I was going to say, negotiate. What

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Speaker 5: are you planning for?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question.

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Speaker 3: I think twenty twenty five is a year where the

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Speaker 3: scenarios are unusually wide apart. You could definitely see a

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Speaker 3: good scenario where indications out of the US continued investments

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Speaker 3: scenario where support to Ukraine might not continue. That then

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Speaker 3: weighing on confidence in Europe and tariffs coming into play.

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Speaker 3: The European automotive industry is already in quite a weak position,

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Speaker 5: There's a hard question I want to ask you. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's about the sad news of that plane crash, the

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Speaker 5: DHL cargo plane crash near the Lithuanian capital. I know

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Speaker 5: that a crew member died, three others were injured. I

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Speaker 5: really wonder whether it's responsible to be using planes that

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Speaker 3: That's that's older than critic Well, honestly, I don't think

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Speaker 3: that is a problem. Our thoughts are with a family

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Speaker 5: Not worried about the safety of the fleet.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not worried about the safety of the fleet.

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Speaker 3: The aviation industry has over many decades continued to lift

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Speaker 4: You get the aircraft he wants out of Seattle. I

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Speaker 4: think if you use an airline in a way, and

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Speaker 4: when I talk to the airline bosses that I often

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Speaker 3: So, yes, we still have some trouble seven aircraft freighters.

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Speaker 3: And we have initiated a new build program several years

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Speaker 4: So one of the issues that Bensmith and that France

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Speaker 4: is flagging that his maintenance costs are significantly high. Are

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Speaker 3: Well, we all need to still fly all that aircraft

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Speaker 3: I think for us it's Look, we operate a fleet

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, purely that's the perfect segue almost to maybe

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Speaker 1: the German election coming up in February. Tobias, I'm not

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean we are now predominated in the national company.

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Speaker 2: It still affects us.

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Speaker 3: We are the universal service provide US that relates to

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Speaker 2: That's a big topic.

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Speaker 3: That is not only now the case in Germany, but

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Speaker 4: Are you suffering from just in terms of one of

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Speaker 4: the moment is immigration and labor shortages? And is that

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Speaker 2: Is that an issue now?

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Speaker 3: It has been much less of an issue this year

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Speaker 3: So I do think there is some weakening and we

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Speaker 4: Too much bureaucracy in Germany. I'm sure you've got to say.

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Speaker 2: With it at the co face every day?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know every piece of it is bearable,

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt of it. If you take a single

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Speaker 2: Heavy, Tobi.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to put you on the spot twenty

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Speaker 1: seconds if you can. DHL prides itself on being the

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Speaker 1: first in a certain conflict zone and perhaps the last

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Speaker 3: Well, we operate in different countries around the world. We

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Speaker 2: And will continue to do that.

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Speaker 3: so that's what we continue to do. We're going to

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Speaker 3: last out to support our customers, to support these economies,

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Speaker 3: to participate in the benefits of global trade.

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Speaker 2: So that's what we've tried to do.

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Speaker 1: All right, you heard it here DHL Group CEO Tobisemeyer

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Speaker 1: joining us around the table. This is Bloomberg