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Speaker 1: from the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's around the NFL.
Speaker 1: Dan hands this hero with some heroes, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Week twelve, Sunday Night Flagship Show. Listen. Everybody knows you
Speaker 1: don't even have to count the games until you get
Speaker 1: past Thanksgiving. And that's when it starts to matta in
Speaker 1: professional football. And now here we are back after this.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of teams that would be
Speaker 1: excited if that was true. The Bears are undefeated by
Speaker 1: that method, so are my Jets. So I like to
Speaker 1: think that anything that I did did annoyed anyone on
Speaker 1: the home front or beyond before Thanksgiving. This doesn't count
Speaker 1: for the whole year, just in the season. My entire
Speaker 1: lifetime up and he build this and I've been I
Speaker 1: saw them for five minutes this morning and it was
Speaker 1: pristine behavior. Um. And of course that sentiment doesn't really
Speaker 1: hold a ton of water, but it also comes from
Speaker 1: like the Belichicks and the Parcels of the world who've
Speaker 1: been around and did it makes some sense, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well that's what I was gonna get to, Like, I
Speaker 1: like there is something to it, because this is when
Speaker 1: you separate the pretenders fall away now when you get
Speaker 1: into December. Um. But then again, every season is a
Speaker 1: beautiful flower, and this is a strange little sucker, this flower.
Speaker 1: So I feel like we don't have any real answers
Speaker 1: at all entering December. So you know, it's all coming
Speaker 1: together in real time. Like remember that Gregor Mendel would
Speaker 1: like a toy around with like plant and flower dna
Speaker 1: to create mad things. That that's what this is, you know,
Speaker 1: essentially a Gregor Mendel season. I'm gonna pretend I get
Speaker 1: the ref and be like I totally agree. Are you
Speaker 1: aware of that, Gregor, Gregor Mental? Yes, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll look it up. Good take, good takes, really good one.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about a good take. Greg is ready to
Speaker 1: shoot me with an arrow. And there's also another little
Speaker 1: element going on here. The Brownies, Mark's favorite team, uh
Speaker 1: and Mark's passion for his favorite sports team really is
Speaker 1: unlike anything any of us have ever seen before. And
Speaker 1: they're playing as we tape right now, so we you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of cooking emotionally. I know you you
Speaker 1: like to keep it like the surf on the surface.
Speaker 1: It's not something that's churning within you, but we know
Speaker 1: it is. And if you want to kind of get
Speaker 1: anything out there before we get going on the games,
Speaker 1: maybe some uh some what do they call the third rail?
Speaker 1: What to avoid anything to make this more pleasant for
Speaker 1: you and us. I like our efficient approach. We started
Speaker 1: on time, which is um, highly unusual for for us.
Speaker 1: But on top of it, there is a high octane
Speaker 1: BTS concert, a boy in from South Korea operating. It's
Speaker 1: so far right now, so we're gonna have to get
Speaker 1: out of here and the minute this ends. Um, we've
Speaker 1: annoyed Chris Rose highly once again. He wanted to watch
Speaker 1: The Browns with us. You explain all that, um, but
Speaker 1: it's just like a pull me back into the Browns scene.
Speaker 1: This is like the third act of Paul Thomas Anderson
Speaker 1: movie where there's all these different things happening at the
Speaker 1: same time and they're all connected, and it's there's just
Speaker 1: a lot of energy in the air and a lot
Speaker 1: of it is chaotic. Alright, Emmica and and my daughter
Speaker 1: Alis are at the show too. That that that's like
Speaker 1: a little story that might be tracking. We might be
Speaker 1: tracking and then you know when um, I don't even
Speaker 1: know a single member of BTS, I can't even name
Speaker 1: drop here when he like shoots up through the riser
Speaker 1: and the smoke machine comes out, and then your daughter
Speaker 1: looks to her right and it's just the empty seat
Speaker 1: where you should have been. And then she turns back
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, then all of his listeners would
Speaker 1: have missed that on that trenchant Falcons Jags analysis. What
Speaker 1: a day for Patterson? Where is my dad? Is Daddy
Speaker 1: Ever coming home? Let's get into the games. No, that's good,
Speaker 1: that's good parent work by you and Ever getting the
Speaker 1: BTS tickets in a big spot at the height of
Speaker 1: their popularity, getting inside that building. We don't know they're
Speaker 1: they're tremendously popular pop group. Let's get going. Let's start
Speaker 1: at lambeau Field where BTS is not performing. And here's
Speaker 1: the snapper Stafford tight pocket hit as he throws left
Speaker 1: to the house, high stepping touchdown, green Back had a
Speaker 1: third quarter tigger. It's thirty six to seventeen. In all
Speaker 1: our years doing this, and since we introduced the local
Speaker 1: radio call calls, still my favorite trope is the second
Speaker 1: banana just screaming out an exultation. Yeah, like straight up
Speaker 1: a fan. I have no idea that I'm getting paid
Speaker 1: to be in the booth right now. I'm just excited
Speaker 1: that my favorite team did something good. Individual Usually there
Speaker 1: is some alcohol involved, they believe, or something well in
Speaker 1: the seventies made or that one booth uh where the
Speaker 1: the service woman climbed in and there was a full bar.
Speaker 1: Apparently that was a weird story. Still weird. That was
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. They got in Sandusky's booth in a big spot.
Speaker 1: Larry mccaren, that was I believe, yelling yeat with Wayne
Speaker 1: Larvy w TMJ Razul Douglas picked off Matthew Stafford took
Speaker 1: it all the way. His pick six was the key
Speaker 1: play in the second half of the Packers, who beat
Speaker 1: the Rams thirty in a battle between two Super Bowl
Speaker 1: or Bust squads. Interesting game here. Matthew Stafford through three
Speaker 1: touchdown passes, including long strikes to Van Jefferson and Odell Beckham,
Speaker 1: which kind of got him back in the game a
Speaker 1: little bit in the fourth quarter. But it was an
Speaker 1: imperfect game for the veteran quarterback, whose health issues were
Speaker 1: a big storyline entering the game. As for the Packers gentlemen,
Speaker 1: their own veteran quarterback Aaron Rodgers looked far less than
Speaker 1: healthy by the end of this game. He's limping around
Speaker 1: on that COVID toe. But all the Packers do with
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur in the regular season is win their nine
Speaker 1: and three and they stay a step behind the idle
Speaker 1: cards in the NFC. This Packers team is impressive. Just
Speaker 1: we don't need to go through the laundry list of
Speaker 1: injuries that they've had, that they've overcome. The guys who
Speaker 1: are coming back like that's just part of their story
Speaker 1: and they don't let it sidetrack them at all. And
Speaker 1: they they've got something you you can't totally quantify it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's something that the Rams having put
Speaker 1: this team together, and it's not like this is a
Speaker 1: brand new team. They have a lot of pieces that
Speaker 1: have been there and won a lot of games. But
Speaker 1: Stafford and that now you had olb J to the mix.
Speaker 1: You lose a team captain and Robert Wood specifically Stafford
Speaker 1: missing a lot of throws looking in a little bang.
Speaker 1: But like you can't just create that instant familiarity and
Speaker 1: chemistry on offense, it's an offensive league, and the fact
Speaker 1: that their offense was inferior to the Packers offense in
Speaker 1: this spot, like in this week, is not a good
Speaker 1: sign for them, you know. Down the line. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought they were one of the more desperate teams coming
Speaker 1: out of their bye week, just the way that they
Speaker 1: spoke about their own you know what had happened before
Speaker 1: the break, and this uh I left with more concerns.
Speaker 1: It starts with Matthew Stafford looking just simply not healthy
Speaker 1: on any level. The defense allowed green Bay to pile
Speaker 1: up forty yards of possession time and the better team
Speaker 1: one There's just no question. If they played ten times,
Speaker 1: I'd say green Bay takes eight of them. Who I thought, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that green Bay for a game that it
Speaker 1: was a little jagged and there wasn't like a ton
Speaker 1: of flow to it, but it still felt like the
Speaker 1: Packers really in control the entire way, and that Douglas
Speaker 1: interception and the runback pretty much cinched it. And you know,
Speaker 1: Stafford could have thrown more than the I N team
Speaker 1: by the way, that's pick sixes and three straight games
Speaker 1: for Stafford. Now also lost the fumble so another turn
Speaker 1: and lost the fumble. Um. They were unable to get
Speaker 1: their running game going. Uh. Um. You know they had
Speaker 1: the splash place to Jefferson and Beckham, but other than that,
Speaker 1: it was, you know, not just not a lot cooking.
Speaker 1: It just feels like Los Angeles is out of swords.
Speaker 1: And you know, how desperate can a team be when
Speaker 1: you're going into a game seven and three. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, now you when you put these back
Speaker 1: to back to back games together where you just don't
Speaker 1: look good and you don't look cohesive, and yes, now
Speaker 1: we're turning the calendar over to December, I think there
Speaker 1: is legitimate cause for concern that you're trying to operate
Speaker 1: like some type of chemistry experiment on the fly here,
Speaker 1: and it's there's no promise that's gonna work out Green
Speaker 1: Bay at the same time, as a team that knows
Speaker 1: who they are, they know their personnel, their coaching staff
Speaker 1: is an intact, They know their personnel and how to
Speaker 1: run the best version of what the team does best.
Speaker 1: That's just two different teams right now, and they're heading
Speaker 1: into their bye week, to which they have to be
Speaker 1: thrilled to get in there. At nine and three through
Speaker 1: these two games and the chemistry. It's not just Stafford,
Speaker 1: it's their defense too. You know, their defense has been
Speaker 1: mediocre this year, and when they've been in big spots,
Speaker 1: I don't think they've particularly impressed. They're not terrible, They're
Speaker 1: just not like a difference making group. And everyone wants
Speaker 1: to say how it Stafford's hurt and that that's a
Speaker 1: big fact, and maybe it is. But I just feel
Speaker 1: like the Stafford we've seen this year is the Stafford
Speaker 1: we've seen in Detroit, to which is there's ups, there's downs. Like,
Speaker 1: he's not Aaron Rodgers. He he will never be Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Being on shaunwick Bay's team doesn't make him Aaron rod
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like our peak Brady or whatever.
Speaker 1: To me, he's a little bit of an erratic quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I think you've seen that the last I think
Speaker 1: that our first couple of months of Stafford, or let's
Speaker 1: say first, you know, five six weeks, suggested that maybe
Speaker 1: we were getting a different version inside an offense that
Speaker 1: was pretty go. I see one weakness on green Bay.
Speaker 1: Um it is Mason Crosby. I understand that he's you know,
Speaker 1: he died in the wool fan favorite to some degree.
Speaker 1: I'm Matority's a fan favorite right now. I mean at
Speaker 1: one point they basically said from we have got to
Speaker 1: punk the ball because because Crosby, we don't trust the guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's leads the league in kicks that if
Speaker 1: they get into a tight one, I don't they don't
Speaker 1: trust him. I think he's an example Crosby of why
Speaker 1: relationships matter, because I think we know it's on record
Speaker 1: that he's very close with Aaron Rodgers. Uh, that he's
Speaker 1: been there forever. He's built up a lot of good will.
Speaker 1: But you wonder at what point is he used up
Speaker 1: that good will? Can you trust him when it really counts?
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at it, like on the ramp side
Speaker 1: of the ball, you know, the von Miller trade. It's
Speaker 1: still too early to put any great on that. But
Speaker 1: he had one quarterback hit in this game, and the
Speaker 1: other hit he had in the quarterback resulted in a
Speaker 1: fifteen yard penalty. Uh. Aaron Donald was quiet in this game.
Speaker 1: He had one quarterback hit. Uh. We didn't see a
Speaker 1: game changing play from Jalen Ramsey, but that doesn't always
Speaker 1: obviously tell the story with a cornerback. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, it's like when they needed someone to step
Speaker 1: up and make a play and turn the tide of
Speaker 1: a season, that's all of a sudden getting a little
Speaker 1: bit away from him. Nobody was there to do it.
Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot of reasons. There's reason
Speaker 1: to be frustrated and concerned with the Rams and in
Speaker 1: fear of the Packers or a Packers fan, you love it,
Speaker 1: and it's like keep winning because they're five and oh
Speaker 1: at home and they just look so tough a beat
Speaker 1: in that building. Uh, this year, it really feels like
Speaker 1: the one seats kind of come down to Arizona in
Speaker 1: green Bay. In green Bay, as we know, has the
Speaker 1: tiebreaker over the Cardinals. This game specifically is gonna make
Speaker 1: it a lot tougher for the Rams to win that division,
Speaker 1: much less get the one seat. Green Bay does have
Speaker 1: the Ravens, Browns, and Vikings down the stretch after their
Speaker 1: buying final five games. It's not a cinch, but you
Speaker 1: just trust them, all right. We were starting to trust
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts after a killer run but beaten Tom
Speaker 1: Brady in the Bucks. Oh that's a whole different machine.
Speaker 1: Two touchdown Letard four that touchdown tapas whoa is that
Speaker 1: the dagger, I hope. So with twenty seconds left, I mean,
Speaker 1: how dare I ramble over Jean Decker half w f
Speaker 1: U s Lenny Fournette broke the tie with a twenty
Speaker 1: eight yard of scoring run with seconds to play. It
Speaker 1: lifted the Bucks to a thirty thirty one come from
Speaker 1: behind win over the Colts at Lucas Oil Stadium. It
Speaker 1: was the fourth touchdown of the game for four Nett,
Speaker 1: who by the way, if you watched the Bucks week
Speaker 1: after week since Brady got there, let Lenny's a big
Speaker 1: part of what they do on offense, and he was
Speaker 1: He's always at the center of things, it seems, even
Speaker 1: though he's not necessarily the most you know what was
Speaker 1: the old West saying that he was like a ship
Speaker 1: that had to change direction. You know, it's it was
Speaker 1: like a battleship. I think even though four Nette has
Speaker 1: now forged a successful NFL career, I still kind of
Speaker 1: agree with West's take back in the day. He doesn't
Speaker 1: move like as nimbly as a but everything is set
Speaker 1: up well for him now and he is succeeding. So
Speaker 1: the difference in this game, though, was turnovers. Uh India
Speaker 1: had five of them. Four and then a desperation heave
Speaker 1: for an I N T in the last play of
Speaker 1: the game, and then Brady doing what Brady does, made
Speaker 1: indeed pay for those first turnovers, turned them into points
Speaker 1: each time. And uh, this was a game that turned
Speaker 1: on one play. The Colts played excellent football in the
Speaker 1: first half. I mean, I'm watching the Colts in the
Speaker 1: first half and I'm watching Carson Wentz and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, like, is this twenty seven Carson Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: on Colts? And if it is paired with Jonathan Taylor
Speaker 1: and these defensive players and the coaching, like, what is
Speaker 1: the ceiling of this team? They're up ten points at
Speaker 1: the half, they get the ball to start the third quarter.
Speaker 1: They had first and ten at the Tampa Bay twenty.
Speaker 1: They have a chance to go up seventeen in the
Speaker 1: third quarter, and then Mark's boy Shaquille Barrett surges around Sacks,
Speaker 1: Went strips some of the ball, recovers the ball at
Speaker 1: the thirty five. Six plays later, four Net scored on
Speaker 1: a four yard run and that started the comeback. And
Speaker 1: I thought it was really impressive what the Bucks were
Speaker 1: able to do on the road to get the game
Speaker 1: changing play and then just turning into a snowball situation.
Speaker 1: Now they go ahead, and then they finally the Colts
Speaker 1: give the ball to Jonathan Taylor. They went a large
Speaker 1: swath of this game not giving it to Taylor if
Speaker 1: you believe that he ties the game up with a
Speaker 1: touchdown of the fourth quarter, but they couldn't stop Brady
Speaker 1: on the final drive ending with that four net touchdown.
Speaker 1: So nice fun back and forth game. But the Cults
Speaker 1: are gonna kill themselves when they watch this tape because
Speaker 1: they if they don't turn the ball over like that,
Speaker 1: there's no way they lose. Well and Antoine Winfield Jr.
Speaker 1: Said that that was their focus in their mindset all week.
Speaker 1: What they had to take the ball away from from
Speaker 1: the Colts to reverse what Indie did to Buffalo, And
Speaker 1: I takeaway I have is that the Colts watched everything
Speaker 1: the Bills have done on defense and said we are fearless.
Speaker 1: We're gonna run the ball NonStop against that defense. But
Speaker 1: they they saw something different with the Bucks and Arians
Speaker 1: after the game basically said anyone that tries to run
Speaker 1: on us is gonna hit a wall at some point
Speaker 1: real quick and have to shift what they do a
Speaker 1: couple other notes, like I thought Gronkowski has he is
Speaker 1: looking as good as he has in years. He's a
Speaker 1: huge part of this offense. And Leonard Fournette next gen
Speaker 1: status points out seventeen rushes faces zero stack boxes. I
Speaker 1: understand you don't stack the box against Leonard Fournette, but
Speaker 1: he burned him for that. He burned him for that.
Speaker 1: They didn't adjust on how well he was playing down
Speaker 1: the stretch. I when I when I look at Gronk
Speaker 1: I used the Frankenstein Frankenstein scale to kind of gauge
Speaker 1: like how he's moving, where he's at in his career
Speaker 1: physically injury wise. One is, you know, peak Gronk like
Speaker 1: Patriots Eric Ron for all surgeries. Ten is like the
Speaker 1: guy at the end of last year, or I mean,
Speaker 1: I should sayeen Gronk where he's basically full on Frankenstein
Speaker 1: like rumbling through Godzilla's rumbling through Draculus Clinton the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl looking like Frankenstein his last play as a Patriot.
Speaker 1: So where he is right now is four and that's great.
Speaker 1: You want to be low as you can get on
Speaker 1: the Frankenstein scale. Uh, he's so key to what they
Speaker 1: do as well. They just have another team that has
Speaker 1: a very defined offense greg and they know what they're
Speaker 1: doing every week, and that they're so different with Gronk,
Speaker 1: like the last two weeks, he's been the key to it.
Speaker 1: I hate those like on off splits when it comes
Speaker 1: to the NFL, like Baker when O'Dell is not there,
Speaker 1: Baker when he is there, it's like, but look at
Speaker 1: this Bucks offense this year when Gronk is there and
Speaker 1: when it's not, the great games are all with Gronk.
Speaker 1: I think this was kind of an important win for
Speaker 1: the Bucks to come back from ten down on the
Speaker 1: road against the quality team because I've been so brainwashed
Speaker 1: by Brady and Belichick over the year that like every
Speaker 1: team is different, every team has its own personality, its
Speaker 1: own uh story, and you have to sort of build
Speaker 1: from scratch. And if you look at this Buck season,
Speaker 1: they haven't had games like this in the in they
Speaker 1: haven't had comeback wins. They they in tough spots. They
Speaker 1: kind of crumbled more than not, Like the Patriots had
Speaker 1: a chance to win that game late. The Saints certainly
Speaker 1: did it, they couldn't pull it off against Washington. They
Speaker 1: haven't had a game like this where it was back
Speaker 1: and forth, and they showed some toughness and they wanted
Speaker 1: a different kind of ways. I think that's big. Had
Speaker 1: they lost to think we're talking about the Brady and receptions.
Speaker 1: He has nine on the year, he has six over
Speaker 1: his last four games. There's been mistakes, you know, without Antonio,
Speaker 1: talk about splits. Without Antonio Brown, he's not the same player, right,
Speaker 1: And but Gronk has helped out a lot um interesting
Speaker 1: uh and Frank Reig was getting some guff on social
Speaker 1: media for this, like they did ask him about it
Speaker 1: the day. Well, Jonathan Taylor, who's been the best running
Speaker 1: back on the planet for two months now, went from
Speaker 1: I believe it was six minute mark of the second
Speaker 1: quarter to the ten minute mark of the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: without getting a touch twenty two or twenty three straight
Speaker 1: plays something like that. And it's not it's no coincidence
Speaker 1: that that's right. That windows right when the Bucks got
Speaker 1: back into the game and took over, and it was
Speaker 1: almost like somebody tap Raik on the shoulder. He's like, hey, Bud,
Speaker 1: give it to Jonathan Taylor. Touchdown and what does he
Speaker 1: do on that? And the driver where they tied it
Speaker 1: at thirty one, all on the fourth quarter, they gave
Speaker 1: it to him eight times for fifty eight yards on
Speaker 1: one and culminating in the touchdown. I think there's something
Speaker 1: that Reich learned from that. After the game, Rich is
Speaker 1: so stubborn, and he said, based on like the looks
Speaker 1: they were giving, we should have thrown it. Even more
Speaker 1: like that, he had no regrets about it, and that
Speaker 1: like that was what it called for. A lot of
Speaker 1: it was r pos where you know, Wentz looks at
Speaker 1: how many guys are in the box and chooses to pass.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I'm with you. You can't. You
Speaker 1: can't go away from him that long. Doesn't matter what Wentz.
Speaker 1: And then you look at the box score finished with
Speaker 1: two interceptions. Once was one was a desperation he at
Speaker 1: the end. Uh. The other was a great play by
Speaker 1: Antoine Winfield on a jump all to Michael Pittman, you'll
Speaker 1: do one on one your best wide receiver against the
Speaker 1: safety all day, every day. UH. And Winfield just made
Speaker 1: a great place. So I think Wentz is playing really well.
Speaker 1: But even with Went's playing well, Jonathan Taylor's got to
Speaker 1: be the man. So that Wentz touchdown shot to Ashton
Speaker 1: Duelan like his arm is fine. He that was one
Speaker 1: of the better throws of the day. Um all right,
Speaker 1: So the Bucks moved to eight and three. The fall
Speaker 1: to six and six. The Titans have a chance to
Speaker 1: put the division to bed. Speaking of the Titans, hit it,
Speaker 1: Ricky Jones is back in the pocket or is down
Speaker 1: about the cop five barn wedding room to be outside
Speaker 1: as he carries to the third sideline away from a defender.
Speaker 1: Jone to run after the catch touchdown. Patriots a cool
Speaker 1: book born back. Oh no, I thought we were set
Speaker 1: on the Zooac book like five years. Nothing on the
Speaker 1: Patriots front. Are you set on or we set on?
Speaker 1: It's all coming back. Control your excitement. I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you reality. Bob Sochy and Scott Zolac with
Speaker 1: the call for w BZ mac. Jones through two touchdown
Speaker 1: passes both to Kendrick Bourne, and the New England defense
Speaker 1: forced four turnovers and the Patriots six sixth straight wind
Speaker 1: rolling past the injury plague. Titans very six third got
Speaker 1: to be dying, Greggy. I thought, you know, New England
Speaker 1: caught another opponent at the right time. Obviously, the Titans
Speaker 1: are a mess, but you get the feeling that they
Speaker 1: can give any team hell right now, they can because
Speaker 1: in the second half of these games, it's like they
Speaker 1: get this downhill momentum where it just feels it does
Speaker 1: feel very old school Patriots like, where they are going
Speaker 1: to figure things out in the first half of the
Speaker 1: game and in the second half they are going to roll.
Speaker 1: And part of that is the physical nature of both
Speaker 1: of their lines, which offensively started to control it in
Speaker 1: the second half. Defensively, they did not trust Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 1: The Titans didn't drop back and pass, and for good reason.
Speaker 1: He had ninety three yards on one attempts. Uh. The
Speaker 1: Titans ran for two hundred and seventy yards in this game.
Speaker 1: Their offense moved the ball great. It was a lot
Speaker 1: about turnovers. Did not feel like the Patriots were that
Speaker 1: much of a better team until the fourth quarter, but
Speaker 1: they managed to force all the turnovers like they have
Speaker 1: in recent weeks, and they just feel like they they're
Speaker 1: the old school Patriots idea that they have so many
Speaker 1: different ways that they can win that like, which is
Speaker 1: the way that they need to in this game. And
Speaker 1: in this game, it was like getting big time production
Speaker 1: from Myers and Kendrick Born Kendrick Borne is their number
Speaker 1: one receiver this year in terms of production, and it
Speaker 1: just reminds me how last year they just had had
Speaker 1: no one that would make plays for them, Like the
Speaker 1: coaches got a lot of credit for the Patriots, but
Speaker 1: it's like remind J. Stevenson made plays. Today, Born made plays.
Speaker 1: John H. Smith made a couple of plays like where
Speaker 1: it had nothing to do with the play call. Its
Speaker 1: just like they were better than the guys across from them,
Speaker 1: and they have way more of those guys this year,
Speaker 1: so they have answers. I mean, no Derrick Henry, no
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, no A. J. Brown. Five fumbles, three turnovers.
Speaker 1: That's eight turnovers in two weeks. Like the Titans team
Speaker 1: on the field over the last you know, Fortnite needed
Speaker 1: to essentially coach perfectly, play perfectly, execute perfectly, and the
Speaker 1: opposites happened right And and yet you I watched this
Speaker 1: and it was sixteen thirteen at half time, and you
Speaker 1: felt like, I don't know, like they were they were
Speaker 1: doing about perfect in the first half, but they had
Speaker 1: to play this game in such a way that it
Speaker 1: was like, we know, we're not as good as the Patriots.
Speaker 1: We're gonna try to just ground up rushing yards. The
Speaker 1: Patriots were kind of allowing them, almost daring them too,
Speaker 1: which was interesting. Uh, they played like light boxes the
Speaker 1: whole game, and the Titans pulled it off for a half,
Speaker 1: but they couldn't fit. And I know it's it's on
Speaker 1: the Titan side of things. There is a temptation to
Speaker 1: just go with a narrative. Well, this is exposing Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 1: He is a good quarterback, but he's not great and
Speaker 1: when you put him in a situation like this, he's
Speaker 1: gonna fail you. But I'm looking at their wide receivers.
Speaker 1: This is what he's passing to today, Nick Westbrook, what
Speaker 1: is that again? A Keena, Cody Hollister, Dez Fitzpatrick, Michael
Speaker 1: pruittt Jeff Swain, Anthony Firkser. I mean, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be if you're going against the Patriots defense, which is
Speaker 1: playing as well as any defense in the league. The
Speaker 1: almost had no chance. I mean that's why I locked
Speaker 1: up the Pats here, because even though the Titans came
Speaker 1: in eight and three, it just felt like they were
Speaker 1: there was no way they were going to move them. No,
Speaker 1: that's who gets the sad. I think maybe Ricky, did
Speaker 1: you lock the opposite? I did? Yeah, that was so
Speaker 1: why you you only think about you at all times? Probably? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I locked up the Patriots and you locked up the Titans.
Speaker 1: So the Patriots had wins, so you don't really get
Speaker 1: the sad hord, Right, I get the winning. But I'm
Speaker 1: a professional, you know, so the locks I did lose
Speaker 1: my lock again. All right, I'm glad we worked that
Speaker 1: all out. But you're happy with the outcome of our lockoff?
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was. It was a fantastic showing
Speaker 1: by the Patriots. But if Derrick Henry was there this
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have stand a chance too a chance? Well yeah, right,
Speaker 1: the defense was great, but not with the run. Against
Speaker 1: the run, I mean, you had like Hillard. Like my
Speaker 1: point is, if I know if don Trell Hilliard has
Speaker 1: on thirty one yards in a sixty eight yard touchdown,
Speaker 1: well that's what Derrick Henry maybe would have done in
Speaker 1: this game. But there's still foreman goes for one on nine.
Speaker 1: They had two over a hundred. It was a strategy
Speaker 1: and I don't think it worked the way exactly that
Speaker 1: they wanted, but the outcome kind of ended that way,
Speaker 1: which was like you can run and spend all day
Speaker 1: like going on these long drives. We kind of don't
Speaker 1: trust Tannahill to finish it off. I think Dan your
Speaker 1: point though they don't have they don't have a target
Speaker 1: with more than twenty five yards. I mean, he's playing
Speaker 1: with a week three preseason roster. They've set that, they've
Speaker 1: set the NFL record for the most players used in
Speaker 1: a season. It is week twelve, That isn't and I
Speaker 1: know that because of the I R rules that sort
Speaker 1: of bends it to the last couple of years that
Speaker 1: you're gonna use more players with the practice. That doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: They've set the NFL record for the most players use,
Speaker 1: which is essentially the most injuries in the history of
Speaker 1: the NFL. And it's week twelve. They they they have
Speaker 1: done an incredible job getting to this point, and all
Speaker 1: those wins they stacked up before are gonna come in
Speaker 1: handy because a lot of these players are coming back
Speaker 1: for Tennessee. And yes, that's the that's the way to
Speaker 1: look at this, Graver, But I mean, how fortunate are
Speaker 1: you and how relieved are you that the Colts found
Speaker 1: a way to lose that game today? Because if the
Speaker 1: Colts beat the Bucks paired with this, it would be
Speaker 1: panic on the streets in Nashville. Yeah, it would be bad.
Speaker 1: I think that was a much needed loss for the Colts.
Speaker 1: From a Titans perspective, it still seems like the South
Speaker 1: an f C South, is the Titans division to take.
Speaker 1: They just have to come back, get healthy over the
Speaker 1: BYLEP three with five to go. If you count the
Speaker 1: tiebreaker as a game to completely like collapse full against
Speaker 1: the Jaguars and the Texans again and the Steelers and
Speaker 1: the Niners and the Dolphins. I feel like the Titans,
Speaker 1: depending on how healthy they are after the bye, should
Speaker 1: be able to win three of those five games. All right,
Speaker 1: it sounds like you're in a good place, Justin, and
Speaker 1: I'm happy for you. But I you know, from a
Speaker 1: podcast perspective, you know, a crestfall and grave Degger would
Speaker 1: have been fun too, all right. And on the Patriots side,
Speaker 1: before we move on and gets shook in here out listen,
Speaker 1: I'm all for the reality that the Patriots, uh could
Speaker 1: be a team that makes a deep run in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but I just need to see it. I just need
Speaker 1: to see these next three games. What happens at Bills
Speaker 1: at Colts Home. Bills, give me two wins there, or
Speaker 1: don't give them to me. I don't want them, but
Speaker 1: win two of those games, and I'm on board the
Speaker 1: rest of the world that this is the dynasty reborn.
Speaker 1: The rest of the world is saying. I think the
Speaker 1: rest of the world is recognizing they lead the NFL
Speaker 1: and point differential right now, and but I think it's
Speaker 1: absolutely fair to point out still that their best win. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, they haven't beaten a team that's like above
Speaker 1: average in dv o A this year other than the Browns.
Speaker 1: That's about it. Well, I would just you don't, let's
Speaker 1: just disconnect from the previous dynasty and just saying we
Speaker 1: don't have an achilles heel. At the moment, they seem
Speaker 1: very balanced, they're getting better by the week. They're getting
Speaker 1: great play from a rookie quarterback in their defense is nasty.
Speaker 1: I agree with all that, and now I just want
Speaker 1: to see it happen against premium opponents. You let's talk
Speaker 1: in two weeks exactly, all right, Let's take a break
Speaker 1: and then talk to Nick Shook. You get this stop
Speaker 1: on four down, the forty Niners win the game. Cousins
Speaker 1: back on Fort Town has time throws. Jefferson Dicut played
Speaker 1: the forty Niners take over on Towns. They stopped the
Speaker 1: Vikings twice in a row on fourt Town. The Fortyers
Speaker 1: will win their third in a row. Bongo time Greg
Speaker 1: Papa with the call ken k n b R San
Speaker 1: Francisco got the big stop in the fourth quarter. Deebo
Speaker 1: Samuel ran for two touchdowns before leaving with an injury,
Speaker 1: and Elijah Mitchell ran for a hundred thirty three yards
Speaker 1: in a score, leading the Niners to a thirty four
Speaker 1: win over the Vikings at the Big Bell Bottom. This
Speaker 1: is uh Nick Shook now joining us shook you. This
Speaker 1: was a game to five hundred teams that are very intrigued,
Speaker 1: five teams in a wide open conference, and it was
Speaker 1: the Niners who looked like the team that will continue
Speaker 1: with surge. While you come out of this game wondering
Speaker 1: about the Vikings, especially after Dalvin Cook has carded off
Speaker 1: with a shoulder. This game very much played like a
Speaker 1: game you would expect between two teams with identical records
Speaker 1: and kind of on similar trajectories as of late. It
Speaker 1: was a close one. It was a hard fought, chippy game.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of scuffles breaking out after you know,
Speaker 1: the whistle, and it came down to the end and
Speaker 1: the Vikings, who have become this aggressive new age fourth
Speaker 1: go for it on fourth down team for the first time,
Speaker 1: couldn't convert in those key situations, and that ultimately proved
Speaker 1: to be the difference. That and Mike Zimmer's stingy defense
Speaker 1: that we've come to know is one that you know
Speaker 1: can stand up against the test and get stops when
Speaker 1: it needs to to get them. Could not do that,
Speaker 1: especially late. They allowed the forty Niners to grind away
Speaker 1: seven minutes of game clock in the fourth quarter while
Speaker 1: trailing by one possession, and then when they did get
Speaker 1: the ball back, they ultimately could not convert. They blew
Speaker 1: two opportunities in forty ninners territory to try to score
Speaker 1: the potential game tying touchdown with the two point conversion
Speaker 1: added in and came up short by eight points. And
Speaker 1: and the Vikings now have to kind of figure out
Speaker 1: what went wrong. While the forty Niners continue, you know,
Speaker 1: this positive momentum going forward. The only question now with
Speaker 1: the status of Deebo Samuel, who suffered an injury and
Speaker 1: did not return to that game. Was seen on the
Speaker 1: sidelines with his helmet nowhere in sight, indicating that he
Speaker 1: was not going to come back. He is obviously crucial
Speaker 1: to their fortunes, has been for the last month, was
Speaker 1: again today with two rushing touchdowns. Can he return in
Speaker 1: time to help them keep going forward? Because what they
Speaker 1: proved today is that they can run the ball well.
Speaker 1: They're really tough out much like they were a few
Speaker 1: years ago. All Right. What I like about the Niners
Speaker 1: today is they didn't totally crumble when Deebo went out.
Speaker 1: I mean he was he crossed the thousand yards receiving
Speaker 1: for the year. He had sixty six yards on the ground.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the two touchdow. He's legitimately a running back.
Speaker 1: He had no receiving yards like and before minutes before
Speaker 1: his injury. Today there was a swing here. This game
Speaker 1: was fourteen to seven where the Niners came to life
Speaker 1: with a pair of drives that when eighties seven yards
Speaker 1: over eight minutes eighty five. And then they got a
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins who had through his third interception of the year.
Speaker 1: He's been great on that front through a terrible one
Speaker 1: into the third quarter, they gave the Niners the ball
Speaker 1: at the two, and so you had a twenty one
Speaker 1: point swing for the Niners over four minutes from before
Speaker 1: halftime into the third quarter. And this game did not
Speaker 1: start the way that previous Niners games have during their
Speaker 1: hot streak where they start with these long drives. They
Speaker 1: morphed into that down the stretch they let they had
Speaker 1: their biggest output on the ground with like two eight
Speaker 1: yards rushing, and so it gives you faith and the
Speaker 1: fact that the Niners can continue to be what they are.
Speaker 1: The Deepo Samuel thing is huge. The Vikings, I think
Speaker 1: Vikings fans have to be annoyed by two things. There's
Speaker 1: this was a Minnesota game, so there's two plot points.
Speaker 1: But Adam Thealen I thought absolutely made a critical catch
Speaker 1: that they that the Vikings essentially challenged did not. It
Speaker 1: was called incomplete on the challenge. They lost that time out,
Speaker 1: then they lost another time out when Kirk Cousins, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna go crazy on on social media, but
Speaker 1: lined up under guard and you know they had like
Speaker 1: the running back comes up to try to move them over,
Speaker 1: and so they suddenly had no ability to control the
Speaker 1: clock and the Niners took that away from them as well.
Speaker 1: There was also a Kawan Williams defense on third down,
Speaker 1: a huge third down that was not called p I
Speaker 1: that I thought was p I just think if you're
Speaker 1: a Vikings fan, it's another one of those down moments
Speaker 1: where you're looking at a couple of plays and going
Speaker 1: insane in your mind. I think this is a game.
Speaker 1: I think this is a game that um outcome. Aside
Speaker 1: one team six and five. The other one is now
Speaker 1: five and six. I feel like a lot is going
Speaker 1: to go back to the m r I exams tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I've developing news on this front. Uh. This just came over,
Speaker 1: uh from on top rap sheet. Dalvid Cook suffered a
Speaker 1: shoulder dislocation. See that's why he was writhing on the ground.
Speaker 1: They're probably popping that sucker back into place. Suffered a
Speaker 1: shoulder dislocation. Will have an m r I Monday to
Speaker 1: determine the damage caused. So Cook is as valuable to
Speaker 1: his team in my opinion as Deebo is to the Niners,
Speaker 1: and Debo will have his own m r I on Monday.
Speaker 1: Because I don't know, you know, you can make a
Speaker 1: case for either of these teams Greg making a big run.
Speaker 1: Uh if they got hot at the right time. But
Speaker 1: if you take either of those guys out of it,
Speaker 1: you get very You kind of have to pull it
Speaker 1: back a little bit. Agree or disagree. I agree, especially
Speaker 1: with Diebo Samuel. I think they could survive without Cook
Speaker 1: for a few weeks. Alexander Madison, like they're running games,
Speaker 1: survived that you need him back at some point. You
Speaker 1: just need both these teams to make it. I think
Speaker 1: if you want maximum playoff enjoyment, I have to say
Speaker 1: if I had to pick a six and a seven
Speaker 1: seed in the NFL, of like, what's gonna be the
Speaker 1: craziest NFC? I want Vikings Niners, Like, well, the Niners
Speaker 1: are the team of cest L. I've waited until now today,
Speaker 1: Dan was there, you know, the team of Zeus teetle late.
Speaker 1: It's a little late, but you want it's on my clock. Well,
Speaker 1: it's interesting, you actually picked to win the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: before the season, and you you pump your fist correct
Speaker 1: literally four weeks ago you took them off and you
Speaker 1: said they were no longer even a playoff team on
Speaker 1: your season, and he locked against them in a two
Speaker 1: weeks ago. But now I'm back. The problem is when
Speaker 1: you make so many different predictions, Mark that we have
Speaker 1: to hold you to them all. So it does. It
Speaker 1: does water down your problem, any problem with anything. I
Speaker 1: feel fine. It also felt like it was like a
Speaker 1: regressive game for Kirk Cousins. ESPN remembers ESPN stats in info,
Speaker 1: Had says the Browns game look seven off target passes,
Speaker 1: the highest that he's had all season, including two on
Speaker 1: fourth down. So it's like Cousins have been playing great
Speaker 1: and Shook up maybe just struggle. I was gonna ask you, Shook,
Speaker 1: do you pause the Browns game for this or do
Speaker 1: you know? You keep it roll? It's all real time,
Speaker 1: like they just got a first down. This is all
Speaker 1: real time. You know, we take we're breaking the fourth
Speaker 1: wall here by admitting this, but yeah, I'm totally looking
Speaker 1: at my left while you guys are arguing obviously here,
Speaker 1: but I'm also paying attention. What's happening? Well in an
Speaker 1: honor of Shook. If anybody else has another comment in
Speaker 1: this game, why don't we move along now to what
Speaker 1: went what went down? I should say in Cincinnati bloodbath slaughter,
Speaker 1: short drop throws starting back Mike Hilton against his former
Speaker 1: team m Burger's pass and runs it into the end zone.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati is embarrassing Pittsburgh so far today? Oh, how long
Speaker 1: have the people of West Ohio waited to hear a
Speaker 1: comment like that? Cincinnati is embarrassing Pittsburgh. Dan Hord, Dave
Speaker 1: Lapham what they called w c k y Mike Hilton
Speaker 1: intercepted former teammate Ben Roethlisberger took out to the house
Speaker 1: to pick six, but Cincinnati up by four touchdowns in
Speaker 1: the second quarter in route to a forty one to
Speaker 1: ten win. That blowout followed a double digit Bengals win
Speaker 1: over Pittsburgh in September, making it since the night's first
Speaker 1: season sweep of the Steelers since two thousand. This is
Speaker 1: the type of game that makes you think you're watching
Speaker 1: the end of one era and the beginning of another.
Speaker 1: In the division. Ben Roethlisberger really, I mean, he he
Speaker 1: he he. He looked like he's looked he looked against
Speaker 1: the Bengals when they played earlier this year. That was
Speaker 1: the game in which he threw a four yard interception
Speaker 1: to Logan Wilson. He had two picks today. Um, their
Speaker 1: offense regressed back to this group that we saw earlier
Speaker 1: in the season, which was dump it off for three
Speaker 1: or four yards because we can't trust anything else at
Speaker 1: the middle or deep part of the field. I mean,
Speaker 1: that is who the Steelers are when when things aren't
Speaker 1: really going well, they can't run the ball effectively, they
Speaker 1: can't stop the run, and credit goes to Sincinnati. They
Speaker 1: made an emphatic statement with this wind. I mean, they
Speaker 1: didn't need Joe Burrow to be great, but he was
Speaker 1: still solid. They wrote Joe mix into another big game.
Speaker 1: Carries for a hundred and sixty five yards, two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I mean, this was a big win for the Bengals
Speaker 1: and the fact that they proved that they can do
Speaker 1: it on both sides of the ball, and like you said,
Speaker 1: the change of one, you know, maybe the passing of
Speaker 1: a torture one team going down the hill and the
Speaker 1: other one coming up the hill. Right now, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're three and one in the division. I never would
Speaker 1: have expected this out of these Bengals, especially after they
Speaker 1: got blown out by the Browns a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: They've really used that by week and replicated last week's
Speaker 1: performance of this one to prove that, hey, look we
Speaker 1: we figured out some of our problems, and we know
Speaker 1: what our strengths are. When we ride them, we can
Speaker 1: beat most anybody. Their last two games against Baltimore and Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: they've outscored them eighty two to twenty seven. Thirty one
Speaker 1: points in the first half was most ever by a
Speaker 1: Bengals team against the Steelers, and they played a billion games.
Speaker 1: I think this version of Cincinnati that we saw today
Speaker 1: could beat anyone in the conference. I'm not saying you're
Speaker 1: gonna get that every week, but the questions about them
Speaker 1: being a Jackal and High team are quieted at the moment.
Speaker 1: This version of the Steelers is a floating corpse because
Speaker 1: they're about six weeks away from having a massive, burning
Speaker 1: question at quarterback. They were totally demoralized today. This game
Speaker 1: was over twenty minutes in thanks to Joe Mixon totally
Speaker 1: running through it all week long. It's they didn't have
Speaker 1: t J. Watt last time. It's gonna be a totally
Speaker 1: different result. It didn't matter at all. I mean, they
Speaker 1: thumped them as hard as I've seen the Bengals thump
Speaker 1: a Steelers team in my entire life. I've such excited
Speaker 1: in the news room watching this game. He was loving
Speaker 1: Big Ben taking a dirt nap. It's almost like the
Speaker 1: Bengals are I don't know, they're like the surrogates for
Speaker 1: the Browns right now. If the Browns can't do it,
Speaker 1: they should have feelings against the Bengals. And I think
Speaker 1: shook them. And would you agree that of the three
Speaker 1: teams in the division outside of Cleveland, like they've been
Speaker 1: kind of like your dance our dance partners as Browns
Speaker 1: fans and you know, and horrid play. But today was
Speaker 1: quite a revelation the Steelers. Tomlin, you know, he said,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna concoct any excuses. This was a butt kicking.
Speaker 1: He also said that some changes are coming. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's going to be a quarterback, but they are
Speaker 1: well see that. This is part of the problem is
Speaker 1: that they never actually built themselves a legitimate safety net
Speaker 1: a quarterback. So I think they are, as Mark put it,
Speaker 1: the equivalent of a floating corpse in the a f C.
Speaker 1: Because you know, right down the three they've been, they've
Speaker 1: they've dissected them into three parts. They're each and one
Speaker 1: of the rivers are they weighed down in a bag
Speaker 1: with some chains and rocks at the bottom. Of the
Speaker 1: three next Um shook. Uh, is there anything that could
Speaker 1: save the Steeler season in your mind? Or is this
Speaker 1: are we playing out the string for the Steelers this
Speaker 1: season and ahead of those big changes in your opinion?
Speaker 1: I mean, their defense always gives them a chance. Their
Speaker 1: defense not the same defense down the street. It gives
Speaker 1: them a chance, but they have to figure out how
Speaker 1: to stop the run, and they haven't been able to
Speaker 1: do that. They weren't able to do that today. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think personnel wise, for the most part, I would
Speaker 1: still trust it will be competitive. But if they can't
Speaker 1: do much offensively, which they haven't done in recent weeks,
Speaker 1: I mean except for that explosion and Sunday night, you
Speaker 1: know last week for you know, they came back from
Speaker 1: behind and nearly won the game. Um, if they can't
Speaker 1: get consistent play out of that group and the defenses,
Speaker 1: and as good as we expect it to be, this
Speaker 1: is they are. What their record is their five five
Speaker 1: and one, They could easily be four six and one
Speaker 1: or or four and seven. It really, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: who they are. They're an average team, and they're a
Speaker 1: team that has to start figuring out what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: Under center beyond this year, and and I know there's
Speaker 1: still some games to play, and and knowing the franchise
Speaker 1: and history and and you know the reputation, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised for to see them pull a out a
Speaker 1: few more wins, But I don't have high expectations for
Speaker 1: them because they basically are who they are in terms
Speaker 1: of record. A few more wins is maybe the high
Speaker 1: point that they on paper are best chance for a
Speaker 1: team to go eight eight and one, but they have
Speaker 1: the Ravens, the Vikings, the Titans, the Chiefs, the Browns,
Speaker 1: and the Ravens eight and one would save that. Tomlin
Speaker 1: has never had a losing streak record. And I just
Speaker 1: want to say congrats to all the people holding those
Speaker 1: Bengals over six and a half wins tickets you got,
Speaker 1: I've got paid in November. That's big. All right, Let's
Speaker 1: close out our time with Shook with a trip to
Speaker 1: the Meadowlands, hurt sticks, shotgun snow. Who's gonna hand it off?
Speaker 1: Right for Scott's goot Bubble the football and it's recovered
Speaker 1: by joyant Love of the Giants. They got popped up
Speaker 1: from behind and Love recovered it. Worth one thirty four
Speaker 1: to go by Papa with the call w f A
Speaker 1: N Yes. Giants defense was on point on Sunday. They
Speaker 1: intercepted Jalen Hurts three times, forced four turnovers total excluding
Speaker 1: that when you heard there, and they held the Philly
Speaker 1: offense to a season low and points, beating the error
Speaker 1: prone Eagles thirteen to seven. Chook Eagles Twitter was particularly
Speaker 1: emotional during and immediately following this game. What did Big
Speaker 1: Blue do to lead to this result? In this outpouring
Speaker 1: of grief amongst Eagles Nation? They played stifling defense so
Speaker 1: much that it left Eagles fans questioning the abilities of
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni to to actually uh scheme up an offense
Speaker 1: that can get the ball to its playmakers because they
Speaker 1: didn't do that very often. Jalen Hurts it three inner
Speaker 1: aptions thrown and and his greatest strength became running and
Speaker 1: and even in a close game, you know, they needed
Speaker 1: to throw the ball late on two separate possessions, and
Speaker 1: it didn't. It didn't look very good. It didn't pan
Speaker 1: out in their favor because of the Giant. You know,
Speaker 1: it's weird because the Giants got blown out by the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers last week in Prime time and and led is
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's firing and everything else. But if you've watched
Speaker 1: them for the last few weeks, you've noticed that their
Speaker 1: defense is starting to come into shape, kind of like
Speaker 1: it did last year before they fell apart down the stretch.
Speaker 1: Um And and this was like the peak production of
Speaker 1: that group. You know, get forcing four takeaways, a key
Speaker 1: fumble that we heard on that clip there, Uh, Darnay
Speaker 1: Holmes intercepting, Jalen Hurds, Xavier McKinney take Crowder. They're all
Speaker 1: getting interceptions. Um And, and that was enough to really
Speaker 1: keep them in the game and hang on to this lead, because,
Speaker 1: let's face it, the offense still has a long way
Speaker 1: to go. Freddy Kitchens in his first game as a
Speaker 1: play caller, you know, it didn't ask too much of
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, and I think it worked out in their favor.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you didn't get a ton of production
Speaker 1: out of guys. You know, thirteen carries for forty yards
Speaker 1: and se kuon Barkley. That's not gonna of the doors
Speaker 1: off of anybody. But it was enough to win, and
Speaker 1: it was enough to avoid the errors that the Eagles
Speaker 1: couldn't avoid, and that's the Giants defense was able to
Speaker 1: capitalize on end up with this close. What about this
Speaker 1: Jalen Reagor. I saw his name pop up over and
Speaker 1: over and over again. It sounds like he had a
Speaker 1: tough one, seven targets, two catches that we had two
Speaker 1: chances to win the game. That you know as as
Speaker 1: bad of a game that Jalen Hurts had. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: get he puts two balls in the spot where Rayor
Speaker 1: can make a play to win the ball game at
Speaker 1: the end. One would have been a tough catch, but
Speaker 1: the second one he should have caught it. And that's
Speaker 1: that's like that changes your season. That's a that's Nelson
Speaker 1: aghil are dropping the ball type of stuff right there.
Speaker 1: That has been a disastrous pick by and by the way,
Speaker 1: taking one pick before justin Jefferson. Imagine Jefferson on that
Speaker 1: Eagles team with Jalen Hurts. Uh So you have the
Speaker 1: Giants offense still sub three hundred yards, but like we
Speaker 1: saw last year, their defense has a chance to rise
Speaker 1: up every once in a while and beat the team.
Speaker 1: Does this what do we where does this leave us
Speaker 1: with the Eagles? Now? I mean, are they just like
Speaker 1: any of these other teams just up and down because
Speaker 1: they felt like they were building momentum, Shookie, and it
Speaker 1: just floated away in the New Jersey air. It's funny
Speaker 1: I saw in the Fox pregame today, um that they
Speaker 1: did a little uh it was kind of like a
Speaker 1: uh parody of of like an alert and it was
Speaker 1: like warning NFC East fans, the Philadelphia Eagles are back.
Speaker 1: If you're a fan of the Giants, Cowboys are Washington
Speaker 1: football team, you might be in danger. Well, you know what,
Speaker 1: I think you can put those concerns to bed because
Speaker 1: for as much excitement as we've gotten out of the
Speaker 1: Eagles and some of the games they played this year,
Speaker 1: we're also reminded that there are still a team that
Speaker 1: has a ways to go, both in terms of roster
Speaker 1: construction and figuring out what their identity is, because as
Speaker 1: they proved today, they're not a consistently reliable team when
Speaker 1: it comes into situations like this and against better opponents.
Speaker 1: I don't know if theil fair much better. I mean
Speaker 1: if if if they're not playing the Giants, they might
Speaker 1: lose by two three possessions. But because they're playing the Giants,
Speaker 1: who was still a close game that they had a
Speaker 1: chance to win all simbly couldn't come through. This backs
Speaker 1: my theory that whenever UM a player or a player
Speaker 1: slash team are celebrated, slash over celebrated all week long. Later,
Speaker 1: we woke up with Jalen Hurts has answered questions at
Speaker 1: quarterback you buying, and Rapp report they're ready to roll
Speaker 1: with their three first round picks and build around. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that's not true. He's been great, but like
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor two, when it's just like endless hype parades,
Speaker 1: like invariably Sunday will underwhelm. I called the Jamis Winston
Speaker 1: corollary because I'll never forget the week sixteen, a Saturday
Speaker 1: game where Ian reported that the Bucks are rolling forward
Speaker 1: with Jamis he's shown enough. And then he threw like
Speaker 1: nine interceptions in the last two games, including a walk
Speaker 1: off pick six, and they went and signed Tom Brady
Speaker 1: and the rest was history and shook ee Um, listen,
Speaker 1: you're the pipe you delivered with a hard blow to
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Speaker 1: hit the rest of the Sunday games. Quick throw the
Speaker 1: echuer deflected and intersecton Patcherton down the west seven nine.
Speaker 1: This may be a house call. Five touchdown Denver, seventy
Speaker 1: yards for Patch or ten. I like that, Dave Logan
Speaker 1: ko a house call. Rookie Patrick certain the second picked
Speaker 1: off Justin Herbert twice, returning the second one seventy yards
Speaker 1: for a touchdown that's sparked the Broncos win over the charge,
Speaker 1: I mean charges, What are we doing here? You go
Speaker 1: up there after an emotional Sunday Night win and you
Speaker 1: lay this type of egg. Anyway, This wind sets up
Speaker 1: a showdown for the a f C West lead next
Speaker 1: weekend in Kansas City, where the game has already been
Speaker 1: flexed to Sunday night. That's fun, Greg vic fas you
Speaker 1: was working his Warlock magic again. I can't get a
Speaker 1: feel of this Broncos team. It is crazy. For as
Speaker 1: many times as we've tried to bury them on this
Speaker 1: show that they're playing for the division league, like you
Speaker 1: mentioned Demember Football in December, and yet I'm still not
Speaker 1: convinced they're like a great team. But they today showed
Speaker 1: what Fangio wanted when he took certain Curtin has been
Speaker 1: a good pick. He'll always be compared to then passing
Speaker 1: on Justin Fields. It'll always be a bad process to
Speaker 1: me that they took him for Fangio's defense when Fangio
Speaker 1: is probably on the way out. But he's a really
Speaker 1: good starting cornerback. And their secondary was great today, but
Speaker 1: it was great in part because the Broncos got after
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and this Chargers front offensive line with just
Speaker 1: four just four rushers. And this is like Jonathan Cooper
Speaker 1: who stepped up and be good, and Stephen Weatherly who
Speaker 1: they just signed off the scrap heap, and other guys
Speaker 1: like you know, Kenny Young who they traded for from
Speaker 1: l A. Like they're getting the eyes up the street
Speaker 1: and playing them on their defense, and the Chargers still
Speaker 1: can't protect in that situation and they were flumex. It's
Speaker 1: been a trend here, I think when the Charges have
Speaker 1: played some strong defensive play callers that can scheme up
Speaker 1: some tricky looks in terms of coverage and and pass rush.
Speaker 1: What they did against Baltimore and New England and now
Speaker 1: Minnesota and now Fangio with a depleted Broncos team, the
Speaker 1: Chargers offense has been pretty d o A in all
Speaker 1: of those games, which is disappointing. They have it, they
Speaker 1: and they opened the second half with an eleven play
Speaker 1: drive that ends in a misfield goal. The Chargers. Their
Speaker 1: next drive is third team plays ends in an interception.
Speaker 1: Their next drive is a five play drive that ends
Speaker 1: an interception. Then they have a garbage time touchdown. I
Speaker 1: I have to look at the Joe Lombardi experience on
Speaker 1: offense and feel like, as as as much as I
Speaker 1: love Brandon Staling, how much he gets involved in all
Speaker 1: sides of the of the football, like, it's just kind
Speaker 1: of not working. And I love what you said on
Speaker 1: Sky gregularly, we're kind of con to never blame um, Well,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna blame Herbert for any of that. That's
Speaker 1: my rule. You know, that's the number one rule of Herbert.
Speaker 1: But blame everyone else. He he and he and Stafford
Speaker 1: through pick six is almost the exact same time, which
Speaker 1: was not a great moment for l A M fights
Speaker 1: in general. But you don't do is there anything happening
Speaker 1: with Herbert that is culpable here? That was a tip
Speaker 1: pass although it was a little behind. Um, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was it that the pick six was a drop pass.
Speaker 1: The first interception, UM was on I gotta have it
Speaker 1: play and it was. It was a bad play by
Speaker 1: Herbert I mean, but even earlier in that drive, thinking
Speaker 1: about like the fourth down crazy scramble. I really think
Speaker 1: when you watched the tape on him, it always ends
Speaker 1: up better than you think because he ends up making
Speaker 1: so many plays that were just all him. Uh. And
Speaker 1: like I said, the offensive line has been a mess,
Speaker 1: but you got you gotta give Denver credit. They they
Speaker 1: they did the game plan against the charges that everyone's
Speaker 1: been doing against the Chiefs. It's like back up, make
Speaker 1: them drive these long drives and they'll make a mistake
Speaker 1: by the end of it. Meanwhy all the Chargers run
Speaker 1: defense gave up a lot of yards. Again, Teddy had
Speaker 1: one of his more UM I would say, memorable wins.
Speaker 1: Even though he finishes with a d nine yards. He's
Speaker 1: limping around out there. He missed three or four drives
Speaker 1: and his shin was hurt. Drew Lock came in and
Speaker 1: was a disaster, turned the ball over and at a fumble,
Speaker 1: and then Teddy comes back after halftime and at least
Speaker 1: calm things down and steered them till the wren a
Speaker 1: quarterback and the Chargers. You know, they start the season
Speaker 1: with four winds and and five tries, but since then
Speaker 1: that they've lost four of six to the Ravens, to
Speaker 1: the Patriots, to the Vikings, to the Broncos. And they're
Speaker 1: kind of telling you who they are, which is they
Speaker 1: have a lot of big name talent, but they're kind
Speaker 1: of the middle of the pack team and I don't
Speaker 1: know if we're gonna see them really ever rise up.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is kind of who they are now.
Speaker 1: Can't run, can't stop the run. Offensive line I think
Speaker 1: has problems that that's like only a lot of things
Speaker 1: going against you where you need something great to overcome it,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure what they have that's great other
Speaker 1: than Herbert, you know, making some crazy place this broadcast team.
Speaker 1: Though now I'm like, okay, they're coming out of it
Speaker 1: by maybe they're but you know how you're you want
Speaker 1: like the Niners, and you want various other teams to
Speaker 1: get that. I can't. That's I don't need to see that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're they are. I feel like they are
Speaker 1: maxing out considering their injuries. I mean they lost their
Speaker 1: left tackle today, who was already their backup there down
Speaker 1: to their fourth and fifth string UH tackles. They lost
Speaker 1: the starting guard today. They have been crushed by injuries.
Speaker 1: I think they are maxing out what they can do.
Speaker 1: But that might be eight and seven in the end,
Speaker 1: right or nine and eighty. They're gonna be the first
Speaker 1: ever nine and eight team and the most nine and
Speaker 1: eight team ever assembled in professional football. But that might
Speaker 1: get them into the playoffs. They're interesting team to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on, and they are set up with a
Speaker 1: big spotlight game next week. Let's move on from Denver
Speaker 1: to Miami where the Dolphins are back. Miami miamis Toutstown
Speaker 1: waddles tuck into the end zone of Miami Miami. The
Speaker 1: Panthers paid for the interception. Oh Alabama connection right there, Diami.
Speaker 1: The perkup, guys, Jimmy is SEVENO follow hit me up
Speaker 1: with the uh in the copy here with the what
Speaker 1: do they call the phonetic pronunciation? Help me out that
Speaker 1: because I've been stumbling on that one for about seven
Speaker 1: years now. W q A M with the call. Jalen
Speaker 1: Quaddle at nine catches for a season, hid thirty seven
Speaker 1: yards in a touchdown. The Dolphins feast five sacks, three interceptions,
Speaker 1: beat the Panthers thirty three to ten. Mark at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the month, the Dolphins were dead and buried
Speaker 1: at one and seven. Four wins later, it's the zombie
Speaker 1: Dolphins lurking on the periphery of the a f C
Speaker 1: playoff picture. They are lurking. I would I would say
Speaker 1: team they played looked more, UM had more zombie characteristics
Speaker 1: throughout today. I mean, this was a game that if
Speaker 1: you're one of the Dolphins fans that are saying, I
Speaker 1: don't want them to go get another quarterback. I want
Speaker 1: to see to be given the full entree into you know,
Speaker 1: four years of experience in Miami, I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: will happen. But he was twenty seven for thirty one today.
Speaker 1: Weren't all splash plays because that's too uh. But the
Speaker 1: connection with Waddle uh was you know, bordered on electric.
Speaker 1: I mean, Waddle showed you what he was today at a
Speaker 1: a hundred thirty seven yards and a touchdown off nine grabs.
Speaker 1: That was their offense. They're they're not a big run team. Um,
Speaker 1: their defense got the job done against Cam I'll get
Speaker 1: that to that in a second day. A blocked punt
Speaker 1: that went for a touchdown. That's like when the Brian
Speaker 1: Flores Dolphins are doing it. You're getting a little thing
Speaker 1: from all sides of the ball, and that that what happened.
Speaker 1: That's what happened today. They encountered, um a Cam Newton
Speaker 1: meltdown scenario. This is a pretty amazing little nugget. Cam
Speaker 1: Newton went five for one UM and it looked like
Speaker 1: it well it is her. This it is horrendous and
Speaker 1: it is the lowest um completion percentage by a quarterback
Speaker 1: with twenty plus attempts since Joey Harrington did it went
Speaker 1: five for twenty two Lions in two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: With Joe Harrington would have had a better career. You
Speaker 1: might be right, Cam Newton. I'll give him this um.
Speaker 1: It was. It was an ugly, ugly day. He did
Speaker 1: not mince words or make an excuses about the you know,
Speaker 1: the parade of social media hype in the I'm back business, Ricky.
Speaker 1: Let's hear what he said. This is the NFL. Nothing's promised.
Speaker 1: Just because Cam Newton's on your roster doesn't mean you're
Speaker 1: just gonna win. Just because it's a feel good story
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're gonna win, right, I'm well aware of
Speaker 1: that one little thing. Like even early in the game,
Speaker 1: the Fox broadcast was asking like, should p J. Williams
Speaker 1: come in here? It looked that bad. I thought that
Speaker 1: would have been way premature. Matt Rule did bring him
Speaker 1: in down the stretch. I think they just wanted to
Speaker 1: pull Cam out of the fire to some degree um
Speaker 1: and then said after the game there's not going to
Speaker 1: be any change at court properly took like three sacks
Speaker 1: in a round. Well, yeah, I think the thing is
Speaker 1: the p J Williams. P J Walker. Sorry, p J
Speaker 1: Walker is an athletic and he's sort of fun to watch,
Speaker 1: but he cannot escape killer mistakes. So you're gonna go
Speaker 1: back to Kim Hey why? I mean Cam, it sounds like,
Speaker 1: and I'll watch us tomorrow, but it sounds like he
Speaker 1: was as miserable as can be. But you're in it
Speaker 1: with Cam now for the rest of the season. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any way unless he like doubles up
Speaker 1: on this type of performance, which feels like unlikely. You're
Speaker 1: gonna roll with Cam, who's still going to give you
Speaker 1: the best chance to win. But I if you're the Panthers,
Speaker 1: and we'll give Dolphins, you know, a little bit more
Speaker 1: love in a second, But if you're the Panthers to
Speaker 1: kind of have all this buzz around you after Cam's
Speaker 1: first game and now to lose back to back games
Speaker 1: and this game, especially as ugly as it looked, I
Speaker 1: just don't like. What direction is this organization heading right now.
Speaker 1: Is we're getting into the back end of the second
Speaker 1: year of the Matt Rule era. It's fair to ask
Speaker 1: because I'm not seeing a ton of progress here. They're floating,
Speaker 1: but I think losing Christian McCaffrey to a rolled up ankle,
Speaker 1: I mean again with this guy offense, I know he
Speaker 1: is injury prone, but they're floating in Their defense was
Speaker 1: a no show today. That's the thing that you think
Speaker 1: that's gonna be their strength, and the two times in
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks the defense has been you know, neutralized.
Speaker 1: I think Flores bring something to the table, you know,
Speaker 1: I have that there where it's like five coaches matter
Speaker 1: because they're bad. Five doesn't because they think. But what
Speaker 1: you want is a coach that brings something to the table.
Speaker 1: And what I think Flores does some sometimes in certain matchups.
Speaker 1: He really gives you an advantage in this Panthers offensive line,
Speaker 1: which has been quietly miserable all season, especially like picking
Speaker 1: up stunts, splits and stuff like that. It was this
Speaker 1: was a terrible matchup for them today to have to
Speaker 1: play this Dolphins defense with a quarterback that's not totally prepared. Uh,
Speaker 1: doesn't know the whole offense and your offensive line and
Speaker 1: nothing to do. And like that's twice in the last
Speaker 1: three weeks where I think Flores has come to the
Speaker 1: table because I know to have played well, but ultimately
Speaker 1: they had three fifteen yards on offense, where Flores kind
Speaker 1: of one you a couple of games here with your
Speaker 1: defensive gameplay took He's taking his butt out of the
Speaker 1: fryar Flora's with this run. I mean you know that
Speaker 1: he's not gonna tell you that because he's the coach,
Speaker 1: And well, no, that's fair to say. But if they
Speaker 1: have a non competitive season where they go three and fourteen,
Speaker 1: you could be in trouble. And at one and seven
Speaker 1: they're ahead of that way. But now there's some juice
Speaker 1: and now you get bolt New York teams coming up.
Speaker 1: We'll we'll spend forward on later in the week. But
Speaker 1: they really do have a chance to make a run
Speaker 1: at the playoffs now they needed this was the big one.
Speaker 1: If you could beat the Panthers, a team that profiled
Speaker 1: a frisky and dangerous in that spot, you really do
Speaker 1: open things up. Giants Jets at Saints uh the next
Speaker 1: three weeks. So they are still thirty shot here, so
Speaker 1: they gotta keep winning. Their thirteenth in the a f C.
Speaker 1: So there are a couple of losses behind still despite
Speaker 1: this winning. But but they're in the middle. I wanted
Speaker 1: to just quickly before we go, give you a couple
Speaker 1: of stats. Number one, Jalen Wattle over the last month
Speaker 1: second in the NFL and receiving yards in receptions. And
Speaker 1: two US played sixteen starts now, so that's a nice
Speaker 1: little number that we understand. Passing yards six point eight
Speaker 1: yards per tempt, twenty seven touchdowns, twelve turnovers. Solid. It's
Speaker 1: good considering again ignoring the seventeen game schedule that is
Speaker 1: now part of our I hate that because I have
Speaker 1: always thought that that's how you have that's how you
Speaker 1: evaluate Hall of famers, that's how you valuate you a player.
Speaker 1: Sixteen game. Chunks messed that. I think he even went
Speaker 1: down to fifteen in the prior game he said that
Speaker 1: it was gonna be eight and seven finish to the season.
Speaker 1: Was that that and the math got messed up because
Speaker 1: I was like trying to do out numbers. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get through this next game as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1: Atlanta at Jacksonville. Oh boy, here's Rynald the near hash
Speaker 1: mark Gavis Patterson straight ahead touchdown Cardarol Patterson. I kid
Speaker 1: jack Wars fans. That's what we do here. We give
Speaker 1: everybody some shine Western with the called w z g
Speaker 1: C g C good call. Quadurell Patterson ran for a
Speaker 1: career high eight yards and two touchdowns in his return
Speaker 1: from an ankle injury. The Falcons win for the first
Speaker 1: time in three weeks over the moribund Jacksonville. Atlanta has
Speaker 1: now five and six. They finished with a season high
Speaker 1: hundred and forty nine yards on the ground. That's not
Speaker 1: that much. Uh, They're most since October twenty. That's weird, Greg,
Speaker 1: What did you learn here that Cordurel Patterson matters? I
Speaker 1: guess I knew that already, but I don't know. Let's
Speaker 1: come up with an award to give this guy sixteen runs,
Speaker 1: hundred and eight yards, two touchdowns, you know, like Deebo Samuel,
Speaker 1: like he's really gone full transition to a running back.
Speaker 1: He had a couple of touchdowns. And I feel like
Speaker 1: I know the next gen stats, you know, could could
Speaker 1: check this, but I believe that eight percent of the
Speaker 1: Falcons yardage this year are Cordurell Patterson off off miss tackles,
Speaker 1: like not even just normal plays just after he breaks
Speaker 1: the tackle. That was pretty much the offense. This will
Speaker 1: annoy Dan because Dan I think he's waiting for the
Speaker 1: Falcons to you know, vaporize itself. They are, they are,
Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm not matter. They are right now
Speaker 1: tied with the precious Minnesota Vikings at five and final spot.
Speaker 1: But what stands out to me is they have the
Speaker 1: second worst point differential at a negative a hundred and
Speaker 1: three points in the NFC. I know they stink, but
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to help you have, but stinky teams
Speaker 1: get into the playoffs and to we're just saying, from
Speaker 1: where we stand today, I'm not predicting that. And this
Speaker 1: game didn't make me feel better about them. This game,
Speaker 1: what it did make me feel as an appreciation for
Speaker 1: the love I have for the around the NFL listening
Speaker 1: because I missed the first half of this game. I
Speaker 1: was I was on a I was on a flight
Speaker 1: back from a friend's wedding in Miami. The Jet Blue
Speaker 1: had only the New York teams on the you know,
Speaker 1: on the flight, so so late into the AFTERDAMI, late
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, as the afternoon games are on, I'm
Speaker 1: trucking through twenty one to three. Let's see this Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence come back. I want to see every play of this.
Speaker 1: Try this Trevor Lawrence come back, just so I can
Speaker 1: give the listeners a little something. And I don't really
Speaker 1: have much other than Ti law You know, he had
Speaker 1: another chance to do something where you're like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: a moment, because he did get the ball back. He
Speaker 1: had a nice touchdown drive before that. But then they
Speaker 1: go like four and out with two pretty bad throws
Speaker 1: and he's just not super accurate. That's the thing that
Speaker 1: worries me a little bit. I think it's safe to
Speaker 1: say and listen this is it's way too early to
Speaker 1: cast any final opinions on Trevor Lawrence. But given the
Speaker 1: hype and everything else. It's been a disappointing first year
Speaker 1: for him. And that's not just on him, but if
Speaker 1: you thought he was going to come into the league,
Speaker 1: even you know, he's been compared to Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1: Those guys came into the league and even if they
Speaker 1: had growing pains in that first year, they flashed. And
Speaker 1: we just haven't seen a ton of it from Trevor
Speaker 1: this year. Little spurts though, but he isn't a chaotic
Speaker 1: the worst landing, absolutely absolutely, but that the problem is
Speaker 1: that's not changing at least in terms of the coaching
Speaker 1: staff and that and that's yeah, that's part of the part.
Speaker 1: I just thought this was gonna be a spot when
Speaker 1: I picked this game too. It's like, Okay, maybe we
Speaker 1: have a nice Trevor Lawrence glow up game against this
Speaker 1: lousy Falcons and he had like a d ten yards
Speaker 1: going into the fourth quarter. I'm a loser. That's absolutely right. Last, last,
Speaker 1: but not least Miami. We had to not Miami Houston
Speaker 1: for the game of the day. Zo Wilson's staff and
Speaker 1: it's a quarterback people that sits back to the left,
Speaker 1: dives for the goal he's in. That's a Jet touchdown.
Speaker 1: All right, Bob was Shusan on our show for the
Speaker 1: third time this year. Is Zack Wilson had more downs
Speaker 1: than ups in his return from a four week injury layoff,
Speaker 1: but his four yard touchdown scramble was pivotal win for
Speaker 1: the Jets over the Texans, the favorite Texas in Houston.
Speaker 1: By the way, the home I was a little annoying. Um.
Speaker 1: The home teams went seven three this Sunday entering SNF
Speaker 1: F Y I. The Texans, Uh, you know, they're hoping
Speaker 1: to build on their upset of the Titans last week,
Speaker 1: and they're up fourteen three in this game. But then
Speaker 1: their offense just went to bed Tyrod Taylor through two
Speaker 1: touchdown passes in the second quarter and that was it
Speaker 1: for the game. Uh. They had a chance to tie
Speaker 1: it late, but Bryce Hall, who's done pretty good work
Speaker 1: for the Jets in their secondary and secondary knockdown a
Speaker 1: pass intended for Nico Collins and fourth and two to
Speaker 1: give New York the ball back. And then they did
Speaker 1: what they need to do to wind down the clock
Speaker 1: get the win. I thought. Michael Floor, who's really had
Speaker 1: a nice month after a rocky started as o C
Speaker 1: did something that is not easy to do. He had
Speaker 1: to coach around a rookie quarterback who was struggling and
Speaker 1: dig out of a double digit deficit. I mean you,
Speaker 1: that's not usually a needle. You can't thread that needle typically,
Speaker 1: but he did. And I guess when you're playing the
Speaker 1: Texans it helps as well. Because Wilson was not good
Speaker 1: in this game and he appeared to aggravate that knee
Speaker 1: injury on a scramble in the second half, so he's
Speaker 1: not healthy still. Um, but he missed too many and
Speaker 1: too many throws. And you know I don't have I
Speaker 1: don't host a quarterback camp. I'm not a give me
Speaker 1: a QB guru, Greg Um, you don't write QB index.
Speaker 1: I'm not a Greg Rosie. I'm not uh jt Sell.
Speaker 1: I'm not a Jordan Palmer. Tom House. I'm not a
Speaker 1: Tom House. But I can tell you this that the
Speaker 1: game is moving super fast for Zach Wilson, and you
Speaker 1: could see it. He had a really bad interception where
Speaker 1: he scrambled and threw a shovel pass into the back
Speaker 1: of his running back that, of course, then ricochets off
Speaker 1: the back of the jersey and into the hands of
Speaker 1: the defender. It's just a classic moment of everything is
Speaker 1: moving too fast for him. If if Tom Brady has
Speaker 1: mastered the sport by everything slowing down, Zach Wilson is
Speaker 1: still on the other side of that spectrum where everything
Speaker 1: is moving at light speed and you could just see
Speaker 1: it the way he moved. Um. So that's frustrating because
Speaker 1: you were hoping for progress. But again, uh, they did
Speaker 1: get a win, and I guess it is on in
Speaker 1: New York City. This is this is the fun fact.
Speaker 1: This is the first time the Jets and Giants won
Speaker 1: on the same day since nineteen And also, by the way,
Speaker 1: Justin Reid was deactivated for disciplinary reasons from this team
Speaker 1: that is all about like our culture or culture. Maven's like,
Speaker 1: that's the third first thing I read this morning that
Speaker 1: read essentially in a fight with um team brass over
Speaker 1: something and becomes a free agent after this season. Did
Speaker 1: not play today, Give me a break. Also, one of
Speaker 1: their better players. These two teams combined for four hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty years, so they combined for you know, a
Speaker 1: lot less than the Raiders had the other day. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be number one in the game.
Speaker 1: Pass Um this one. If you're lucky, it will be
Speaker 1: in that like thirty one to thirty three minute range. Uh,
Speaker 1: the the quick game pass version one though, because I
Speaker 1: just feel like they've been better than the Texans this
Speaker 1: year and and you're right that Texas laying wood in
Speaker 1: that spot. Yeah, there's just something like I just feel
Speaker 1: like that. It's right, It's just right. I'll take the devil.
Speaker 1: I don't care about draft standings. I don't give it.
Speaker 1: I don't give a hoot. I just I'll take the
Speaker 1: w But I need the boy to play better. It's
Speaker 1: still not happening all right now. That takes us to
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler and highly emotionally charged Sunday night football affair
Speaker 1: against the team that was ripped from the belly of
Speaker 1: the Browns. As the man they call the Quiet Storms said,
Speaker 1: after this Sunday Night, Jackson takes the snap, pressures coming
Speaker 1: cloudy almost got it. He's rolling back to the thirty
Speaker 1: five yard like throws as he's hit. He throws to
Speaker 1: the episode touchdown Ravens been a little field of Mark
Speaker 1: Andrews who came back to make the touchdown reception. It's
Speaker 1: a thirteen yard touched out officially, but It was about
Speaker 1: a thirty seven yard pass from Lamar Jackson. Yes that
Speaker 1: hey in the barn for the Baltimore Ravens and one
Speaker 1: of those classic rugged a f C North affairs. The
Speaker 1: Ravens hold off to Cleveland Brown sixteen to ten at
Speaker 1: M and T Bank Stadium, and they win a game
Speaker 1: in which Lamar Jackson threw four interceptions, including three in
Speaker 1: a single quarter of play. Usually that's doomed, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't on this Sunday because the defense of Baltimore rose
Speaker 1: up and shut down the Cleveland Brown's offense all night,
Speaker 1: especially on that final drive when the Browns needed to
Speaker 1: get down the field for seven, they could not produce
Speaker 1: a first down or even throw to the sticks there
Speaker 1: Um when it counted, Ark Seessler, Uh, your Brownies fallowed
Speaker 1: six and six. The Ravens move to eight and three
Speaker 1: and feel like they are in command of the af
Speaker 1: C North. Yeah. I mean, I think if we had
Speaker 1: done our preview show on Thursday, and you know, the
Speaker 1: football gods had whispered in my year before we discussed
Speaker 1: this game that Lamar would do what you just said,
Speaker 1: that he would throw four interceptions, and I would tell
Speaker 1: you I'll go to NFL research with that, and they'd
Speaker 1: come back and say that since qbs to do that,
Speaker 1: starters to throw four interceptions the game are oh and
Speaker 1: thirty seven, Now they're one in thirty seven. It's because
Speaker 1: Cleveland could do very little with those gifts. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what else you could ask this defense
Speaker 1: to have done. I mean, I felt the frustration that
Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney felt, um that so many defenders feel, chasing
Speaker 1: Lamar around and unable to close the deal. But they
Speaker 1: did in so many ways. I mean, the turnovers are
Speaker 1: the gifts that the Brown's offense should have done something with.
Speaker 1: Here's what they could hear what they got off of
Speaker 1: that three points, a field goal, two punts, and the
Speaker 1: ball flickering out of Baker Mayfield's hands um at a
Speaker 1: key moment that set the Ravens up. So this Brown's
Speaker 1: offense um looked broken against the Lions, Uh muddled, really
Speaker 1: weird play selection. I thought tonight they got too cute
Speaker 1: with that Jarvis Landry um, you know, strip sacked. It
Speaker 1: was was a bit of a nightmare. And you know,
Speaker 1: if the football gods had also told me, oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, along with those gifts, you're gonna run for
Speaker 1: forty yards at two point four yards per carry. You
Speaker 1: aren't gonna have outside of Jarvis Landry, anyone really helping
Speaker 1: out in the passing game. And Baker Mayfield. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that last drive was, um a
Speaker 1: great situation for him, but that was another chance for
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield to seal a game and do something in
Speaker 1: a big national spot, an Island game, like you say, Dan,
Speaker 1: and they fizzled. And that's what their offense has been
Speaker 1: for for weeks now, um a fizzle operation. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: can't believe how bad this Brown's offenses. I don't think
Speaker 1: Kevin an Sky can believe it either, And that's why
Speaker 1: I think he keeps calling passing plays in situations where
Speaker 1: Browns fans are like, why don't we just try to
Speaker 1: run the vaults because he's he's looking at the numbers,
Speaker 1: he's seeing the way defenses are playing them. In the
Speaker 1: book says, you do what the defense gives you. You know,
Speaker 1: you can take what the defense gives you. And I
Speaker 1: think defense is, especially the Ravens tonight or in a sense,
Speaker 1: giving the Browns a pass passing game. They're giving him
Speaker 1: one on one matchups. They were run blitzing all night.
Speaker 1: Now they also the Browns didn't run well when they
Speaker 1: tried to run, and so that that was a problem.
Speaker 1: But he's calling these class plays and they don't have
Speaker 1: a passing game right now that can overcome it. Uh.
Speaker 1: Even in a game like this where I still thought
Speaker 1: they had a chance there at the end, it was
Speaker 1: it was that like ugly old a f C North game.
Speaker 1: I was hoping Baker could just give us a little
Speaker 1: entertainment at the end. Come on, you kept you kept
Speaker 1: thinking that maybe they had something special. Uh. In the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, they scored the touchdown on that hotly contested
Speaker 1: David and Joku catch, which is one of the more
Speaker 1: kind of borderline uh coin flip plays I can remember
Speaker 1: where it doesn't matter how much you slow it down. Um,
Speaker 1: you can't really discern whether that was a catch or not.
Speaker 1: And because they ruled it a catch on the field,
Speaker 1: it was the right move to keep it as a touchdown.
Speaker 1: That ended up being the only touchdown the Browns had.
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker and his brilliance, he takes care of all
Speaker 1: his opportunities and that ends up being the margin for victory.
Speaker 1: But Mark, I think I mean, you've hit on it
Speaker 1: with the Browns, and no one's tracking this team closer
Speaker 1: than you that We're now twelve games into the season,
Speaker 1: and you know, they've had some nice moments this year,
Speaker 1: a blowout of Cincinnati a couple of weeks back. There
Speaker 1: have been other games that have been quality wins you
Speaker 1: would define them as. But how many times now have
Speaker 1: they had a chance, an opportunity to do something special
Speaker 1: and really put their season on a different trajectory and
Speaker 1: they just fall short? And I just wonder what they
Speaker 1: can do at this point to fix it. As are
Speaker 1: you to do deep into a season to find that
Speaker 1: type of DNA or is there something really missing here?
Speaker 1: They're not. They're not a team that's like well positioned
Speaker 1: too to battle from behind to start um. But to
Speaker 1: your question, like that is become their character trait in
Speaker 1: their character flaw. I mean you could point to four
Speaker 1: or five games this year where you know, had Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield been Joe Montana late eighties, they their record would
Speaker 1: be vastly different. And I'm not putting it all on
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. I think systemically, the loss of Odell Beckham,
Speaker 1: like from a production numbers standpoint, doesn't look too big.
Speaker 1: But I think the way the defenses would treat the
Speaker 1: Browns wide receiver group and their tight end group in
Speaker 1: general has changed a lot. Like I see a group
Speaker 1: of white outs that that can't separate or get open.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you don't have Anthony Schwartz in there.
Speaker 1: Uh like that that's a speed guy, but he has
Speaker 1: his production. He's a rookie. But it's like they just
Speaker 1: don't have that guy that really scares you at this point. Um.
Speaker 1: I think losing Harris and Bryant didn't help them tonight.
Speaker 1: But but I'm pointing to like they're they're most not
Speaker 1: even like three tight end sets. And I think that
Speaker 1: this offense um has been slightly figured out, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, teams are attacking it differently than last year
Speaker 1: when there was you know, they were able to kind
Speaker 1: of do what they wanted to do and mystify defensive coordinators.
Speaker 1: That's not the case. The Ravens, I thought, diagnosed them
Speaker 1: really well tonight and did what the Ravens do. And
Speaker 1: yet there were more open Browns receivers tonight than Ravens receivers.
Speaker 1: Like well, the uple plays had about three or four
Speaker 1: great throws in this game, which is why I struggled
Speaker 1: with the whole injury thing of like we put it
Speaker 1: all on the on the injuries. But he had some
Speaker 1: gems and his biggest problems came on plays where he
Speaker 1: held the ball where he did the pump fake thing.
Speaker 1: On one of them he just fumbled and dropped it,
Speaker 1: but on another one he just seemed like he had
Speaker 1: an open receiver, does the pump, holds it and then
Speaker 1: bad things happen. And then on the flip side, it's
Speaker 1: like Lamar Jackson has a disastrous night, four interceptions, a
Speaker 1: couple other miss throws that he had, and yet he
Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of Brady in that. Like
Speaker 1: you know, like if you're an opponent of Lamar, all
Speaker 1: you're thinking is like he still made that Lamar play
Speaker 1: where he back pedals back to the thirty five and
Speaker 1: hits a freaking touchdown. He still had that play where
Speaker 1: he evades like four different tacklers to get out of
Speaker 1: a sack and make a completion. Like in the end,
Speaker 1: like he ends up winning these games with a couple
Speaker 1: of winning plays and you're just like, oh, that that's Lamar.
Speaker 1: But he's getting wins. It seems fair that like Lamar
Speaker 1: wouldn't be critiqued the same way that another baker or
Speaker 1: another quarterback would for throwing for receptions because you still
Speaker 1: know he's going to be a game changer down the stretch.
Speaker 1: And like the Ravens didn't change what they were doing
Speaker 1: because of any of that, and they and the defense
Speaker 1: ultimately bailed him out. I know he made a couple
Speaker 1: of big throws and showed that great escapability all night long,
Speaker 1: but he averaged four yards per carry on I believe
Speaker 1: twelve attempts. He threw the ball up for grabs all game,
Speaker 1: and the d just balled out in a huge spot.
Speaker 1: Even right down to that final series, the Browns go
Speaker 1: four and out and they get a fourth down stop
Speaker 1: where you know it's short of the sticks, they get
Speaker 1: the tackle, and they walk off with a win. Where
Speaker 1: you throw four interceptions in prime time, that's a that's
Speaker 1: a big win for the Ravens and the Browns. They
Speaker 1: got there looking for answers right now and it's getting
Speaker 1: late early. We might have to talk like m v
Speaker 1: P or something on Tuesday. I don't know. It's like
Speaker 1: Lamar in his last five games that just scribbled this
Speaker 1: down forgive me if I'm wrong, has seven touchdowns, nine
Speaker 1: interceptions and taking seventeen sacks. It has not gone well
Speaker 1: over the last five Well that's why everyone's, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to figure that out. And that's why when Jonathan
Speaker 1: Taylor blew up last week and as he had over
Speaker 1: two months that, it was like, Okay, maybe we'll give
Speaker 1: it to a running back, because the quarterback position this
Speaker 1: year doesn't have a guy that's really running away with
Speaker 1: this thing. Stafford, you thought might do it, It's not happening.
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray got hurt, Lamar Jackson now has gone sideways.
Speaker 1: Brady still makes sense as an option obviously, But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a conversation perhaps for another show. Mark, How you doing, buddy?
Speaker 1: You seem like you're in I feel like you're in
Speaker 1: a in a some healthy place with this Brown's team
Speaker 1: where a loss like this isn't crushing you. In fact,
Speaker 1: you locked up the Ravens, so congratulations. Yes, um, you know,
Speaker 1: a minor solace, But I mean I think that we
Speaker 1: You asked me a couple of weeks ago in our
Speaker 1: network show Lock it Up Right with a joyous occasion,
Speaker 1: like who are who is this team, and I kind
Speaker 1: of just felt back then like they are what they are,
Speaker 1: Like they're just there's a lot of there's more questions
Speaker 1: than answers. Um, they're frustrating to watch. I think they
Speaker 1: must be. They must be feeling extremely frustrated. And they
Speaker 1: aren't built right now to win games like this um
Speaker 1: in their own division where Baltimore is and that's who
Speaker 1: the Ravens have been against Cleveland forever. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I think that they the Ravens always reveal Cleveland's um
Speaker 1: character and I guess status maybe more than characters sometimes too.
Speaker 1: And they revealed Cleveland status tonight and guess what the
Speaker 1: Browns hit thereby and then come back and play the
Speaker 1: Ravens again. Uh in week fourteen. That will have huge consequences.
Speaker 1: Let's get it together, NFL. The Browns are doing this,
Speaker 1: and so are the Patriots. Wait, what's wrong? I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of a neat little wrinkle. It doesn't happen
Speaker 1: all at all. I think that's so bro I don't
Speaker 1: love it, but I put them out like it's all
Speaker 1: about adjustments. SINCEAI playing the same team twice in a row,
Speaker 1: it's it's a different type of challenge for the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just different. Hey, you know what else
Speaker 1: is different? Like, uh, this BTS group biggest pop in
Speaker 1: on the world, Ricky jump on a second. So you
Speaker 1: were in between our early taping and now you walk past, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, our commissary, and you heard the squealing of
Speaker 1: seventy thousand girls, including I would think Greg's own daughter.
Speaker 1: I thought I heard Ellis. Actually I heard Ellis and
Speaker 1: and it was right at the beginning, you know where
Speaker 1: they like play music and the lights come down and
Speaker 1: you're like waiting for a group to come up, and
Speaker 1: then I think there's seven of them. You could hear
Speaker 1: them come up, and I thought there was like an earthquake,
Speaker 1: like our office building was shaking. It is out of
Speaker 1: control over there. I went for a second just to
Speaker 1: get a feel of it too. It's definitely louder for
Speaker 1: BTS than any rams or charge ever. Greg. You you uh,
Speaker 1: you coughed up half your paycheck for those tickets, and
Speaker 1: I think it's worth it, uh to give your daughter
Speaker 1: that experience. Before we sign off and mark you, you
Speaker 1: feel free to log off. You know you don't have
Speaker 1: to deal with this after a Brown's loss but again,
Speaker 1: like you're in a healthy I'm just curious because I
Speaker 1: don't have a real working knowledge of BTS. I asked
Speaker 1: Ricky just to pull up the three biggest BTS songs
Speaker 1: on Spotify, and I want to know if if anyone's
Speaker 1: recognizing any of them or what we think of them.
Speaker 1: Just check in real quick. Okay, I know all three,
Speaker 1: but that could just be I know out three. There's
Speaker 1: only three in the English language, so I could even
Speaker 1: name them for you before you put it wrong. There's
Speaker 1: more than that. Here's the first one, just because from difference.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I think I believe I saw Chris
Speaker 1: Martin there. That's a collab Chris. Okay, that one. What
Speaker 1: else I know that you were, but it's it's skyrocket disappointing.
Speaker 1: But Dan, I think you will know whoa Okay, not totally.
Speaker 1: I think you know that. I mean I know the
Speaker 1: source material. I don't. I didn't know. I wasn't aware
Speaker 1: of their like tenanch remix version or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: All right, let me hear one more. Are these are
Speaker 1: over like a billion? Yeah, they're like they're too big
Speaker 1: numbers for me to pronounce. All right, one more? Anybody
Speaker 1: else curious. No, no, like it's good to be tapped
Speaker 1: into songs, although the first one not so much, but yeah,
Speaker 1: the other ones, this one Greg plays all the time.
Speaker 1: But for dream meal Bed I've heard that before. So
Speaker 1: they are they? So? Is that the is that guy?
Speaker 1: The styles, the Harry styles, the Justin timber Lake of
Speaker 1: the group you seem to be they're all. There's a lot,
Speaker 1: but there is one I think that is like the one.
Speaker 1: I think his name is John. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't even want to see Greg, but yeah, what's his name?
Speaker 1: We're just sounding so so old like MM play some
Speaker 1: more of these, Greg, don't be self conscious, just embrace
Speaker 1: that you like Yes, you like rap. There's a thirst
Speaker 1: for knowledge here, Greg. You know it's okay. I've gotten
Speaker 1: all the knowledge I need of BTS over the list.
Speaker 1: I just think it's funny that you're like playing it
Speaker 1: cool because when we were coming back from doing the
Speaker 1: UM Sunday Night Show in London, we're walking back to
Speaker 1: the hotel, it's two am, we're getting ready to start
Speaker 1: the show and Greg, you literally pumped her fist and
Speaker 1: you go, yes, Emmaica got the tickets for beating It
Speaker 1: was because I like love my family. Yeah, it was,
Speaker 1: it was. It was an uphill battle. We didn't think
Speaker 1: she was going to be able to get it, and
Speaker 1: uh it happened. Initially, the tickets Greg, they were for
Speaker 1: him and Jessel Nick and some other guy, and then
Speaker 1: Emmaica decided otherwise. No, I was supposed to get the tickets,
Speaker 1: but then we were on the stage when they when
Speaker 1: they went on sale, and I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: possibly pull this off. Well, it all worked out, and
Speaker 1: I feel enlightened now. I feel like I'm under I'm
Speaker 1: surfing the zeitgeist right now with all that melody pumped
Speaker 1: into my I feel like you the way home, you know,
Speaker 1: and see what you think. I think you should work
Speaker 1: in smooth like butter into your like daily binocular. All right,
Speaker 1: I'll work on that. All right, good stuff, good show.
Speaker 1: That's the flagship program. And remember this, These games occurred
Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving, so they count. Okay, keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: When you put your head to pillow, you're there in
Speaker 1: a really good place. Emotional links. Your team one like me,
Speaker 1: jets one to oh. In games that count, we're flying.
Speaker 1: Everybody else not so hot. Well, half the leak. That's
Speaker 1: the breakdown. Good night. All right, they're ready to go.
Speaker 1: This stand has a signing off for Quiet Storm. The
Speaker 1: old boss Ricky Hollywood until Tuesday, he'd the call m
Speaker 1: spe