WEBVTT - John Krasinski - Pt. 2 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:03.320 Did you know that on the day Dr King was shot, 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:06.680 the all black security detail normally assigned to him was 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:10.559 called off. They're the ones who would not allow him 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:15.320 to stay at any hotel with balconies. Did you ever 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:21.159 asked what this was all about? It? And this is 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:25.160 the MLK tapes. The first episodes are available now. Listen 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:28.400 on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.880 you get your podcasts. Hey, Hey, this is John O'Brian, 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.040 entrepreneur and a fellow builder just like you. 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You know what 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.600 today feels like, Well, it feels like the perfect day 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.400 for a new episode of The Office Deep Dive. Do 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:10.760 you see what I did? I am your host Brian 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:14.600 baum Gartner, and I am beyond excited, giddy in fact, 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:18.040 to bring back my main man, John Krasinski for the 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.960 second half of our conversation today, and boy, are you 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:26.480 in for a treat because this time we go deep. Okay, 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:30.280 we always go deep, but seriously, I made him blush. 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.360 I made him cry. Well, he didn't quite cry, but 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.520 he did go into details of the way he cries, 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:41.120 which is all in like everything else he does. I 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:45.280 even got to well, or I was forced to hear 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:50.280 his sexy voice in my brain, and if I'm honest, 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.960 I would be okay never hearing that again. But maybe 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:57.080 you'll feel differently now. If you've been listening to this 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:00.399 podcast since the very beginning, you've heard me talk about 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:04.440 how The Office is a family a few times. Well, 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.360 John really gets into why that's the case, and why 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:12.000 The Office is not just a family for the cast 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.880 and crew who were there, but for you too, Yes, you, 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.600 the person listening to this right now. So few shows 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.760 have been able to cross that threshold where it really 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:28.080 feels like you know the characters that you're watching on screen. 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.480 And not to toute our own horns, but I really 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:35.040 think with this show we achieved that. And that's why, 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:40.000 no matter how many movies he directs, or how successful 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:44.760 he becomes, how many billboards he is on, John Krasinski 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:51.720 will always be Jim Halpert, Everyone's favorite goofy haired prankster. 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:57.480 So please join me in welcoming back my old friend 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:07.160 and yours, John Krasin Scheme Bubble and Squeak. I love 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:14.040 it Bubble and Squeak on Bubble and Squeaker Cookie every month. 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:28.120 Lift over from the nubby people. The Office was constructed 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:34.400 in the opposite way than most comedies, or certainly television comedies, 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:40.120 where typically the leads are the young lovers and then 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:45.719 you've got a crazy uncle or the crazy boss that 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:51.040 that is back in the corner coming. No. Um, this 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:55.520 show was the reverse, which which is which? Which was 0:04:55.600 --> 0:05:00.720 putting and specifically the moments and examining like why Jim 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:04.280 and Pam, Like why that relationship became so important to 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:08.200 people and so charged was People weren't watching a half 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.360 hour of it. They were just stealing a moment from 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:15.719 the corner, which makes you like, I want to lean forward. 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:21.280 And the other thing was, there's an idea that when 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:25.200 you generalize, it becomes more universal, right, like this is 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:29.919 generally who this guy is from this midwestern town. But 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:34.479 the amount of specificity and reality both in those moments 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:39.120 between Jim and Dwight and Jim and Pam, the opposite 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:43.800 is true that the more specific you get that the 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:48.440 characters become infinitely more real and therefore universal and relatable. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.680 To me, that idea is is interesting. No, I think 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.600 it's I think it's really true, and I think that's 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.560 sort of the magic trick of the show is, and 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.000 I don't I don't know the picks of why it's 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.280 so huge now. I mean, it's mind blowing to me. 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:06.240 A four year old came up to me at the 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.760 airport and was like, it's my favorite show and I 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:11.840 was like, do you get any of it? And they're like, yeah, 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.279 like it totally universal, like you said. But I also 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.000 think that the stakes were set up so wonderfully because 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.599 that's real life, right. I think when you're in love 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.960 with someone, especially someone at work, you very much look 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.120 forward to those interactions at work. But that means that 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.240 when you go home, in your home life with your 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.800 friends or whatever else you're doing, you will not see 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.400 that person. So you are sort of, I don't know, 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:38.119 tantalized by the idea that like, when I get that moment, 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.400 I'll savor it. And I think that's real life, and 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.160 that's what we did in the show. I particularly, I'm 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.880 thinking right now about the relationship with Roy, you know 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:47.640 what I mean. It's like a it's like lighting a 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.560 fuse that might blow six weeks from now, but it 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.719 was a very specific fuse. Right. So the first time 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:59.520 you saw me and David together, people were like, oh, okay, 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.520 so you just told me that this is a potentially 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.680 explosive thing, and then we didn't go into it. You'd 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:07.680 reference him a couple of times, and it was very 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:11.000 specific references, and she said that he brought me to 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.120 the game and left me at the arena, like things 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.840 like that, where you're just slowly leading the breadcrumbs back 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:21.600 to the trigger, and then by the time he comes 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.800 in and pushes me, you're so invested in that. Not 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:28.160 in a television way, I think in like a like 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:32.840 these people are my friends, oh right, my friend as 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.200 much as I love them together, is trying to go 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:39.720 after a girl who's taken. That's real life steaks rather 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.000 than TV steaks. And I think that's what made it 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:46.360 like the first time that we accidentally kissed at Dundees 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.680 and like that's real life, whereas a regular television show 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.160 would have a big, huge kiss scene like they finally 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.600 got together, and it was I remember reading that script 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.600 and being like, man, that is so smart that have 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:00.680 the audience be like did they just this? And it's 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.440 and not give them what they thought they want. It 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:05.480 was so because that's how I felt. I felt like, 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:06.960 oh my god, I thought we were gonna do some 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.720 huge kissing and instead she just did it at Dundeees 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.400 and you're like, oh my god. And of course I 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.720 would have stewed on that for months and been like 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:21.080 was that did that count? Was she just drunk? Rather 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.480 than if it was a big kiss scene where I 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.960 took her out back and like, you know, made some 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.240 huge overture, you'd be like, oh good, I'm being entertained 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.120 by this moment. But I don't feel anything. I'm not connected. 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:34.320 I don't know if any of that made sense. No, 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:39.160 that's so smart. I think I um. I think people 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.839 see themselves in the show, and it's a combination I 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.040 would imagine of every character. You know. I don't think 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:46.680 you look at one character and you go like, oh, 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:50.480 I'm Michael. I hope you're not my go. But it's 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.320 more like, oh, man, I have a co worker that 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.040 loves cats, and I have a co worker that drives 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.600 me insane. I don't know. Maybe that's it. And certainly 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:04.920 people bosses that are crazy. Right, Yeah, it's what you 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.719 were talking about. I think is so true. I had 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:13.679 a conversation with Greg where traditional sitcoms there's a rhythm, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:18.120 there's a rhythm to the joke. It's it's it's totally 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.800 on the beat. And I think that in the relationship 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.800 between Jim and Pam, everything happened off of the beat, 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:31.600 not at the time you expected right from way early, 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.760 like right like in terms of like the progression. But 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.360 then also what Greg talked about a little bit was 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:41.960 once it got to a certain point that he was like, well, 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.640 we need to get them together, Like, I'm not going 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:49.560 to create artificial impediments that make everybody go like come on, 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.199 because I think he had brought this audience in to 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:57.600 a very seemingly realistic relationship. So if you started doing 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.080 weird things that felt fake and people wouldn't relate to 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:05.640 it anymore. I'm saying, like, I love I can admit 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.760 on this podcast. I was never like a casting No, 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.720 I wasn't really great with dating, and I feel and 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.200 I think that's what's so great about the show is 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.080 how do you go about that? Like, how do you 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:22.719 start a relationship with someone who's already with someone. It's 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:26.439 a great place to start, and then just you know, slowly, 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.480 you know. I remember also how bold it was that 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:32.920 when you thought you would do something, you know, like 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.480 proposed to her. He would write an entire episode where 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:37.719 you're like, oh man, and at the end, this is 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.120 gonna be the proposal because again in TV, you know 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.760 that like the big scenes are coming, and he wouldn't 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.080 do it. And then when I did propose, I love 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:47.880 that talking head where I was like, I've been planning 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.960 on this forever, Like I love that, you know. Um. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:59.120 I've said to people that nothing shut down production like 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:03.280 an important in pay A moment, like when there were 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:07.960 moments between two down. No, I mean like shut it 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:12.360 down right right, like like like you're blushing right now. 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.720 But it's I mean like Casino Night and not and 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:19.600 not just one, two different moments in Casino Night because 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.440 the relationship was so important to the two of you 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.480 and getting it right totally. I remember those two moments 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.560 very well. I remember the parking lot. Yeah, it's funny 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.440 now that you say that. Yeah, which must have been 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:33.800 frustrating for you. Oh you'd be like, oh, please just 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.120 get me out of here before they filmed this, or 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:41.880 it's going to be seven hours. Yeah, well we were 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.760 in there that seven hours. But again I had never 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.160 experienced anything else, so that was weird for me. Was 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.760 I remember, like there was an energy around those moments 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.760 I remember. I remember so many different things, but I 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.640 remember that parking lot scene. I remember not knowing where 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.520 Matt was, yes, and Ken wouldn't tell me, and he 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.040 was like, don't worry about it, just do the scene 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:04.480 or whatever, you know, and I thought that was cool. 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.960 And then certainly I remember the like the big moment, 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.480 the big kiss that was shut down, like that was 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.240 nobody was on set, nobody was around the craft service table. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.360 But I didn't know that was happening. So I walked on, 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.480 you know, ready to joke with folks, and they were 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.040 like not wanting to make eye contact with me, and 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:23.720 I was like, what happened? I feel like I said 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.920 something to you, like I was going on. I know. 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.160 I kind of remember that too. And then it made 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.120 me more nervous because then they were like, all right, now, 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.640 maybe you should go out the door and whenever you're ready, 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.520 come in. And I was like, what's happening is no, 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:38.080 I'm gonna call action and they're like, no, man, well 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:41.600 do you remember that night. I remember that night. I 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.720 remember because you were so frustrated you were still there. No, 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.400 I just I remember it being so big. I think 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:53.280 the thing that I am most proud of artistically, he 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.319 is not blowing your top in that moment in the 0:12:55.360 --> 0:13:02.960 Shock and the Show was every say goal shot where 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:07.280 the camera was positioned, just the discussion about are the 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.880 cameras in the room? Are the characters aware the cameras 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.400 in the room? Right? How does that change behavior based 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.560 on the fact that the cameras are in the room 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.800 or if they think that they're alone. And I think 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.240 that at that moment, specifically at the end of Casino 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:23.040 Night you see the slats in the blinds and then 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:27.280 shooting and catching you guys, that there are such an intimacy, 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.000 you know. It's like Randall and Matt were to my 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.680 favorite people on Earth and I couldn't see them and like, 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.280 I don't even think I got to see the set 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:37.720 before I went up, you know what I mean. Like 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.400 it was also weird, and I'm sure for a better 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.360 actor you'd think like, oh, that's what you need, right, 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.440 And so I was like, I am a terrible actor 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.680 because I don't know, I'm nervous, and maybe that was 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.240 the intention, but I was like, I don't even know. Remember, 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.560 Randall wasn't anywhere, and usually I was like, what are 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.880 we doing, like what what? What? What? How? Where do 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:59.040 you want me to be whenever? And it was really weird. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.400 I was so freaked out. And I remember I was 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.800 on set for a while before Jenna got on too, 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.280 because Jenna was taking her moment, which is fine, but 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:10.800 again I was so not knowing of that world that 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.839 I didn't know that I could take thirty minutes in 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.600 my trailer to prepare. Mentally, I was like, mentally, what's happened? 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:18.640 And then I got so much more scared, and I 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:19.880 was like, you know, then you start to think like, 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:21.840 oh god, I didn't do my homework and she's doing 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:27.000 your homework. Right. Were you on board with the trajectory 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.000 of Jim and Pam's relationship, like just in terms of 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:35.080 the timing, did you have concerns about it happening to soon? No, 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.760 it sounds like a hallmark version of Greg, But I 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.560 truly and Greg I trusted. I could tell that he 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.160 had to beat on it. He was always so nice 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.960 to involve Jenna, and I remember that he would tell 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.840 you kind of when things were going to happen, and 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.880 he would remind you in scenes you know, don't worry, 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.600 this isn't the moment that's going to lead to this 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:55.760 that will happen later, like he he had it all 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.200 tracked out. Also, we were what in season five or 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.160 six by the time him that I was in that 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.520 motel with that other girl and stuff like that, And 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.320 that's the only time I remember putting whatever, put my 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.160 foot down, not really, but I remember I got that 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.080 was the only time I was very much against because 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.440 he was saying, you're going to actually make out with 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.960 her in this scene, and that was the episode I directed. Yes, 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.160 that's right, but the bed bucks and I don't remember. 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.160 It might have been an earlier version about you guys 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.960 making out, but I remember that was the only time 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.640 we had like a it was like a bad negative moment. 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.360 But I remember being in a room and it was 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:36.200 like I remember finding myself kind of saying things that 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.520 I never thought i'd say before, like I'm not going 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.120 to shoot it. Remember Paul Lieberstein was in the room. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.080 He was like, no, you you will do it in 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.280 an aggressive way, but it was like he saw the 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:50.120 benefit of doing it. And I remember saying to Greg, 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.920 there's a threshold with which you can push our audience. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.960 They are so dedicated. We have shown such great respect 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.400 to them. There's a level of messing with them that 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.240 you've done, like in a great way. I mean like 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.960 you've messed with them by the whole kiss happening too early. 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.640 And I think there's a moment where if you push 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.720 them too far, they'll never come back. And I think 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:13.480 that if you show Jim to be cheating, they'll never 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:17.840 come back. Yeah, and I what did you think? That's right? 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.840 You directed? What what was your feeling? Well, my recollection, well, 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.200 it was never that you were going to make out, 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:27.600 but it was about there was what was the line? 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.040 How far can we go? I was supposed to kiss 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.320 her in that bathroom? I remember that's what they were pitching, 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:35.440 and I was like, I don't know that that's going 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.160 to go well for us. Yeah, but even just you 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:43.760 being in a room with her, you know, how would 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.000 you behave even if you didn't think the cameras were there, 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.600 because the cameras were shooting from outside and they weren't 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:53.880 in the room except when Dwight came in. Um. Anyway, 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:59.600 the whole point is the passion for which you fought, 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:05.320 and Jenna fought and Greg like that. Everybody was collaboratively. Oh, 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.000 that's it wasn't a negative fight. It was a big 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.200 conversation because again it was so important to everybody. 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I've spent the past year trying 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.480 to figure out why he flipped and what he was 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.160 really after. From my perspective, was too good to be true. 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.880 There's got to be something wrong with this. I wouldn't 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:06.960 trust that guy. He looks like a little scum, big liar, 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.280 stool pidging. He looked like what he was or at. 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.159 I can say with all certainty I think he's a 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.080 hero because he didn't have to do what he did, 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.320 and he did it anyway. The moment I put the 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.760 wire around the first time, my life was over. If 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:22.359 it ever got out, they would kill me in a heartbeat. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.400 Listen to deep Cover on the I Heart radio app, 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:45.040 Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. So Steve, Well, 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:48.000 I'm gonna start with us. When you found out that 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.720 Steve was leaving, Oh yeah, what did you think was 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:57.359 the greater loss? Michael or Steve? Jesus, It's like a 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:05.119 existential crack right there in the Yeah, my brain literally 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:11.000 just melted. Oh my god. I mean, it's weird, right. 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:14.920 I think there might be one of those esoteric, kind 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:19.000 of actory bogus things that happened, which is we kind 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:23.360 of started blending ourselves and our characters because we spent 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:27.320 so much time together, and Steve and I had a 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.240 really wonderful relationship. We started because we were both from 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:34.320 Boston and we really had a great friendship. And even 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.080 though we didn't hang out all that much, I felt 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:39.120 very deeply connected to him and he was always so nice. 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.040 So I think that I think I have to be 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:46.360 honest and say it was losing Steve because as much 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.280 as he was so good on the show, his presence 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:51.760 on the set was fantastic. I mean he was he 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.840 was as professional as it gets. He was your clean 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:59.000 up hitter, just crushed everything that he was thrown. And 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.240 so I think I'm I think what I'm getting at is, 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:04.640 in that moment, it felt like the end of an era. 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:08.400 It felt like the end of something more than even 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:10.960 losing Steve or losing Michael. It felt like the end 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:14.520 of our show in a way, or that evolution of 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:19.840 our show. It's like when you graduate college. Your life 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:23.359 isn't over, but that version of your life will never 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:28.080 come back. You'll never have your college years again or 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:31.600 your high school years again. Um, that's what it felt like. 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.200 I felt like we were graduating college that day. I'm 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.680 trying to figure it out in real time. Why I 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:42.280 cried so hard when we did that scene. I also 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:45.520 remember him crying, and I was not expecting that. I 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:49.119 thought that he was so good at comedy that he 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:50.520 was able to be like, it's just a scene and 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:53.199 then will cry after or not or whatever. And the 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:56.840 energy in that room was so thick and palpable that 0:22:56.880 --> 0:23:00.960 when they called action or go ahead, I remember Steve 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:03.520 tiered up right away, and that was so unlike him. 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:05.040 Not that he was emotionless, but it was like it 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:08.040 was so unlike him to let real life bleed into 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.639 the moment, right. I think, I think, I actually remember. 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.160 The actual number was seventeen takes of not even speaking, 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:19.760 just just dribbling crying. For me, it's I mean, you 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:23.880 talked about it, you were waiting tables. I was doing 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:29.320 theater for you know, some class sometimes seventeen people you 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:32.960 know or whatever, Like everybody, we all grew up together 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:37.840 and there was like Greg as like our on set dad, 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:43.399 but like Steve as like the greatest brother you could have. Yeah. Yeah, 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:47.360 it was like the steady brother, you know, whether it's 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:50.960