Speaker 1: Calling all my sweeties to the forefront. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Chris Rna.
Speaker 2: Hazel and this is the Keeping Positive, Sweetish Show. Purpose
Speaker 2: has a way of asking more from us than we
Speaker 2: can ever expect. Today's conversation is about the courage to
Speaker 2: keep saying yes even when the assignment gets heavy. We
Speaker 2: are sitting with Jasmine at Crow Houston. Today's guest has
Speaker 2: reimagined what it looks like to solve one of our
Speaker 2: country's biggest challenges. Jas And Crow Houston is the founder
Speaker 2: and CEO of Gooder and innovative company that's recovered millions
Speaker 2: of pounds of surplus food, built free grocery markets and
Speaker 2: underserved communities, and help make food and security, sustainability, and
Speaker 2: dignity part of the same conversation. She has been recognized
Speaker 2: by Forbes and The New York Times, and now she
Speaker 2: is sharing her journey in her very first book, Feeding
Speaker 2: Hope Kids Feeling Please give a very warm welcome to
Speaker 2: Jazzmine crow Houston.
Speaker 1: How are you doing so, I'm.
Speaker 2: Wonderful, Thank you so much. I want to start off
Speaker 2: by saying congratulations. You have a new book, Feeding Hope.
Speaker 2: How to build a mission driven enterprise to create change?
Speaker 2: You've already done so much to create change, and now
Speaker 2: you're an author.
Speaker 1: This is so exciting. And you just.
Speaker 2: Said that today or yesterday was the first time you
Speaker 2: actually got to touch today.
Speaker 3: Like literally before I came here, I was like your producers, like,
Speaker 3: can you bring a copy of the book? I said,
Speaker 3: they just arrived this week and so I opened it
Speaker 3: and yes, you're holding the first copy I ever touched.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm a reader, so I love the texture of the
Speaker 2: cover already.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the pages feel good. Yeah, I'm excited to.
Speaker 3: Do book reader like I haven't got into like audible
Speaker 3: ye kindles.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, unless I'm in a hurry, like I'm trying.
Speaker 2: I need to read, like are speeded up and like
Speaker 2: get something through something.
Speaker 1: I like to touch the pages. I want to smell.
Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me of when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: and I'll be like Beverly Clear or the Babysitters Books Club.
Speaker 4: It's something about the pages Valley High.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, But before we dive in, because I do want
Speaker 2: to talk more about your book, let's play a quick game.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: The game is called keep It or Give It.
Speaker 2: Let's see, So I'm gonna throw out a few words,
Speaker 2: and you tell me if you're keeping them or you're
Speaker 2: gonna give them away.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you mine after this. The first one is
Speaker 1: group chats, keep keep.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, my group chats have been very Yes,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep them, definitely.
Speaker 1: I love that I have one group chat that I loved.
Speaker 1: All the other ones I mute.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, crazy, I can imagine.
Speaker 1: Especially chats I feel like.
Speaker 3: Yes, not the big ones I would definitely give away,
Speaker 3: but the small ones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like that is important.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I love the early mornings giveaway.
Speaker 4: I'm late, but I do not like an early morning giveaway.
Speaker 1: See. I wake up at five am, so I'm an
Speaker 1: early riser.
Speaker 3: When I do get to the gym at five thirty,
Speaker 3: I feel really good. But it doesn't happen often.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a good feeling.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a very good feeling. I love that fear,
Speaker 2: h So I have a I would say keep it.
Speaker 3: I have a healthy amount of fear, and you know,
Speaker 3: I think sometimes it helps you plan for like the worst.
Speaker 3: So I think you have to keep fear, but you
Speaker 3: can't give in to it. I would say that that's good.
Speaker 1: I like that rest.
Speaker 4: Keep Yes, hope no one gives that away.
Speaker 1: Listen, before you got here, I take sure. I was like,
Speaker 1: what's their et a?
Speaker 2: Because I was in their neck, and yes, I love
Speaker 2: gotta get it cooking, keeping sure.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite dish to cook?
Speaker 4: Probably lasagna?
Speaker 3: Or I make really good Everyone says I make a
Speaker 3: really good steak, Like I think that's the thing I've
Speaker 3: been making the longest that I'm like, apparently steak lamb chops.
Speaker 3: Someone called me the other day the lamb chop god.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yess yes, I was a lamb chop god.
Speaker 1: I was like, you cook it, yes, steak chops, Yes,
Speaker 1: love it. Yes, I'm down. I love silence.
Speaker 4: I'm going to give away silence. I love my music.
Speaker 4: I'm annoying.
Speaker 3: I even fall asleep to the TV, which is probably
Speaker 3: very I mean, I put my sleep timer on, but
Speaker 3: I fall asleep to the TV TV.
Speaker 1: I used to be the same way.
Speaker 2: I would fall asleep watching friends, wake up watching watch friends.
Speaker 3: Yes, like I have the modern family. I have very
Speaker 3: good feel good shows and then crime shows like true Crimes,
Speaker 3: like those are my things.
Speaker 1: I love that. Now I have to sleep really dark.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you got to if you wake up at
Speaker 4: five am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that times like my brain will keep going.
Speaker 2: So I have to do my amazing spray and just
Speaker 2: go to sleep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the magnesium spray, if you put it on your feet, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's gonna tell you within five minutes.
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's good for you if your parents. I
Speaker 3: sprayed a tiny bit on my kid the other day
Speaker 3: and it worked, So that's I'll give you guys that
Speaker 3: like a tiny like a spray it on your hand, rub.
Speaker 2: It on the.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that.
Speaker 2: Jess to tell you right now, I was blown away
Speaker 2: by your journey. Shelley sings your praises. She's like, you
Speaker 2: gotta meet her. She is absolutely love her and she's
Speaker 2: a good friend because she was really singing your.
Speaker 1: Praises, and I was excited to get to sit down
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 4: It's been a journey ten years.
Speaker 1: This is a day.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's nothing happens overnight.
Speaker 1: No, it does not.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the journey because a lot of people
Speaker 2: they've heard gooder, they don't know the person behind it.
Speaker 1: So I want to know.
Speaker 2: Everything, like how did you get to that point and
Speaker 2: what made you think of that?
Speaker 1: But let's start from the beginning.
Speaker 3: So I moved to Atlanta in twenty thirteen. My sister
Speaker 3: was going to Spelman. When I graduated college, I went
Speaker 3: to college in North Carolina. My parents funny story. I
Speaker 3: wanted to go to Howard Clark, all the places we
Speaker 3: were living in North Carolina. My parents were like, we
Speaker 3: want you to be two hours from home, Like we
Speaker 3: want you to be driving distance from home.
Speaker 4: My freshman year, they moved to Portland, Oregon.
Speaker 1: You out.
Speaker 3: I always wild shame them for this story. They don't
Speaker 3: hear it every time. So now I hope everyone that's listening,
Speaker 3: here's this about my parents. They left me in North
Speaker 3: Carolina as a freshman, and so I finished college, stayed through,
Speaker 3: graduated in my four years. Once they graduated, they hated Portland.
Speaker 3: They had moved to Phoenix, Arizona. So I moved to Phoenix.
Speaker 3: My sister was entering high school and I was telling her, like,
Speaker 3: you need to go to an HBCU. Arizona is very,
Speaker 3: very non diverse, like the whole state is probably three
Speaker 3: percent African Americans. So got her to go to Spelman.
Speaker 3: We didn't know anyone here, and I was like, you know.
Speaker 4: I'll go.
Speaker 3: So she came in the fall I came in January
Speaker 3: of twenty thirteen, and I drove through downtown and just
Speaker 3: saw a lot.
Speaker 4: Of people experiencing homelessness.
Speaker 3: And it was if you're kind of new to Atlanta now,
Speaker 3: like the whole downtown Peachtree Pine, like where I used
Speaker 3: to feed it is now a hospital. So that should
Speaker 3: let you know, like how much has been built up? Yes,
Speaker 3: but there used to be hundreds of people outside of
Speaker 3: this shelter. And so I was like, I want to
Speaker 3: do some cooking. And I learned to cook when I
Speaker 3: was at home in North Carolina by myself, Like the
Speaker 3: very first Thanksgiving, me and my frend Chanelle, who's with me,
Speaker 3: we cooked for everyone who couldn't go home for thanks
Speaker 3: I mean, and we made so much food it was
Speaker 3: like crazy, Like I mean, we was Betty Crocker recipe,
Speaker 3: you know, printing it out. This is back in the
Speaker 3: map Quest days where you had to like print out
Speaker 3: where you're going, printing out recipes. Making turkey. Chanelle that
Speaker 3: was taking culinary had learned how to season a turkey.
Speaker 3: So we made all this food and I wanted to
Speaker 3: do that. So I started my journey, really started feeding
Speaker 3: people out of my kitchen on the streets of Atlanta,
Speaker 3: and so many people used to come out and feed
Speaker 3: with me. So like I'll run into people now to
Speaker 3: be like, I can't believe you're still I'm in the
Speaker 3: grocery store there, like you're still the same person, Like
Speaker 3: I'm always I was like cupawning price matching, looking at
Speaker 3: it what publics had on bogo, what Kroger had on sale,
Speaker 3: and that's how it would make the menus. So I started,
Speaker 3: you know, cooking for people and saw that just the
Speaker 3: way people are treated if they are experiencing hunger or homelessness,
Speaker 3: is just anything, right, I mean, it could spread any
Speaker 3: cause domestic silence. So often we don't know what it's
Speaker 3: like when you're experiencing it, Like if it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: you're just donating your cans, you're just putting, you know,
Speaker 3: donating checking, giving a dollar at the grocery store. You know,
Speaker 3: they asked you do you want to donate to the
Speaker 3: food bank, and you do it, and then on the
Speaker 3: other side of it, it's always like here, just take this.
Speaker 3: You're hungry, it doesn't matter. If you're vegan, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: If you don't eat dairy, it doesn't matter. If you
Speaker 3: have religious convictions and you don't eat pork or whatever,
Speaker 3: you never get a choice. And so that's what was
Speaker 3: so different about us feeding on the streets. We had
Speaker 3: menus and we had options, and if people just had yes,
Speaker 3: it was like a little restaurant. It literally was a restaurant.
Speaker 3: So it started there. And I feel like that's why
Speaker 3: I met Shelley. Just so many people through those that
Speaker 3: work yes doing that.
Speaker 1: That is incredible and fascinating.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's crazy to think about it. And I was
Speaker 3: thirteen years ago, like, and I did that for four
Speaker 3: or five years before I ever even started Gooder. So
Speaker 3: I was doing that every weekend for years. Wow, for
Speaker 3: years traveling. I took one to Essence Fest one year.
Speaker 3: I mean I did one in DC. So I would
Speaker 3: take the whole experience and just go do a pop
Speaker 3: up restaurant in another.
Speaker 4: City to feed people that were homeless.
Speaker 1: It was sad. That is awesome. That is amazing. Have
Speaker 1: you always had a heart to see the overlooked? You know?
Speaker 4: My dad recently told me. He called me the other day.
Speaker 3: He was like Chubby, which is my nickname, and he
Speaker 3: was like, you remember that Christmas when we decided not
Speaker 3: to get you something for Christmas, and we brought gifts
Speaker 3: for this mom and her six kids. He's like you
Speaker 3: remember that, He was like, you were so happy. I
Speaker 3: did not even remember that story, So I guess at
Speaker 3: some point I even, you know, went without Christmas gifts
Speaker 3: so that another family and kids could have it. And
Speaker 3: my dad always tells like little antidotes about your life
Speaker 3: that you just don't remember, like, oh, I remember one
Speaker 3: time in DC you were asking why people were homeless.
Speaker 3: Like I don't remember any of these stories, but apparently yes.
Speaker 3: I had that notebook by Elanya van Ziyan. It was
Speaker 3: like something. It was like, oh my god, what was
Speaker 3: it called. It was like a yellow little journal. All
Speaker 3: the girls had it. It was like it was like
Speaker 3: keeping saying true to yourself. It was like a little
Speaker 3: work book. And I found it recently so I still
Speaker 3: have it. And my handwriting was terrible, and I was
Speaker 3: talking like, you know, it makes me mad when people
Speaker 3: hate on me and my friends. I was a teenager, definitely,
Speaker 3: like in high school or middle school. But I wrote
Speaker 3: in that that I wanted to be known for doing
Speaker 3: something good twenty thirty years before I would ever start
Speaker 3: doing anything, so I must have always had good I
Speaker 3: have that to this day. Wrote that terrible handwriting, very young,
Speaker 3: and it had like little prompts like what's something that
Speaker 3: makes you feel bad? And that's when I was like,
Speaker 3: when people hate on me and my friends? And then
Speaker 3: you know what do you want to be known for
Speaker 3: doing something good? Like that was what I wrote, and
Speaker 3: so it was. It was kind of I guess foreshadowing
Speaker 3: if you will. Yeah, yes, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: To think about it. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: I love that, and I love that your dad reminded
Speaker 2: you of a memory that you had probably forgotten, but
Speaker 2: it was a core of who you are.
Speaker 4: Yes, so many of those.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot that we don't know, because
Speaker 3: if you don't sit back and sit in your your past,
Speaker 3: you're always on go. We just were talking about that. God, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't think I reflected it. I never remembered having
Speaker 3: and I feel bad. He was like, we we went
Speaker 3: over there and you watched them open all the presence,
Speaker 3: Like he has very vivid memories because he's an adult
Speaker 3: and it's probably like a big thing for him. I
Speaker 3: don't remember.
Speaker 4: You were like, I don't remember.
Speaker 3: Birthdays, like you know people you throw the birthday parties.
Speaker 3: Your kids don't remember it. I can kind of see that,
Speaker 3: But we also didn't have all we have now, Like
Speaker 3: you know, now, if something like that happened, I'd probably
Speaker 3: have pictures to show my kids.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know we didn't.
Speaker 2: Have that, right absolutely, So your heart turned into a
Speaker 2: full business and your heart posture did what has been
Speaker 2: the navigation of that when you really like saw a need,
Speaker 2: but then it turns into this full blown business.
Speaker 3: It is I used to be into being Mary Jane.
Speaker 3: That used to be my show.
Speaker 2: It just started coming back on, or maybe it hasn't,
Speaker 2: but I just watching TV one day and they popped
Speaker 2: up and I was watching for like hours hours.
Speaker 4: She's the right little post its on her.
Speaker 3: So I was doing that on my mirror when I
Speaker 3: was living, you know, in Atlanta, first starting this business
Speaker 3: ten years ago, literally probably ten years ago to the day,
Speaker 3: and when I was thinking about good Or, I remember
Speaker 3: I wanted to provide a million meals and make a
Speaker 3: million dollars like that was the goal. And now you know,
Speaker 3: probably like next year, Gooder will have seen probably nine
Speaker 3: figures in lifetime revenue and provided fifty million plus meals
Speaker 3: to people.
Speaker 4: And it's like to know.
Speaker 3: Like I wrote that on a post it like one
Speaker 3: million meals be worth the company be worth.
Speaker 4: A million dollars.
Speaker 3: I have always led with my heart with this company,
Speaker 3: and I write about that a lot in the book.
Speaker 3: I have failed in a lot of ways, whether it's
Speaker 3: been fundraising, like building a right team. You know, there's
Speaker 3: all kinds of things that have not been great along
Speaker 3: the journey. But at the end of the day, I
Speaker 3: cannot when it's all said and done, because a lot
Speaker 3: of times I'm like, man, even in my book, I
Speaker 3: was like, listen, by the time you read this, my
Speaker 3: company may not be here. I know, because you know,
Speaker 3: it was like in twenty twenty five. There was a
Speaker 3: lot happening last year, especially for black women in business,
Speaker 3: you know. So I was like, I don't know, And
Speaker 3: that's when I was writing this, you know, going through it.
Speaker 3: But I know that I have always done it for
Speaker 3: the right reasons. Like you know, I was doing it
Speaker 3: when I had nothing. I was feeding people, wondering like dang,
Speaker 3: like I should have made myself a little plate when
Speaker 3: I would get.
Speaker 4: Home, you know.
Speaker 3: So to start a business that has employed hundreds of
Speaker 3: people fed millions, if people worked with everybody, you know,
Speaker 3: from Delta to the NBA. I mean, we have had
Speaker 3: a lot of highs and there's definitely been a lot
Speaker 3: of lows. But my heart posture has never been to
Speaker 3: give people less, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: People would be like, oh, give them.
Speaker 3: Less or I remember one time one of my friends
Speaker 3: was like, oh, they're homeless, you know, so it doesn't matter,
Speaker 3: and I was like it does, Like you know, it
Speaker 3: definitely does. Like you can't just give people anything. And
Speaker 3: it goes back to I think what we should have
Speaker 3: all learned in kindergarten, like treating people how you want
Speaker 3: to be treated, and we always don't do that. I
Speaker 3: mean we and a lot of times in our day
Speaker 3: to day lives we want to be treated a certain way,
Speaker 3: but it's like, how often are we really treating people
Speaker 3: the way we want to be treated? And in the
Speaker 3: service industry, it does not happen. And when I say
Speaker 3: service like this kind of nonprofit giving social impact space,
Speaker 3: it's just like check the box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, it's.
Speaker 4: I'm really proud of that.
Speaker 3: Like I can say that with all my heart, on
Speaker 3: all my kids, on everything in my life, I've always
Speaker 3: wanted the best for people in the business, and so
Speaker 3: for investors, and you know, I've raised capital and stuff
Speaker 3: that's not been the thing because it's like, oh, they
Speaker 3: don't care about feeding people, they care about money. So
Speaker 3: it was really hard to kind of blend the two.
Speaker 3: And in hindsight, you know, it's hard to think about
Speaker 3: it now, but maybe I should have said good or
Speaker 3: up as a nonprofit, And instead I thought, well, businesses
Speaker 3: are paying to throw away perfectly good food, and you know,
Speaker 3: why would we be free if I'm going to like
Speaker 3: hire a driver and get this food delivered. And you know,
Speaker 3: we work with Tyler Perry Studios. We do all the
Speaker 3: food on all the sets. Like nothing goes to waste
Speaker 3: from any of the studios. It's like, those are dreams
Speaker 3: that I had. And yeah, and I didn't make it
Speaker 3: as a business. Had it been a nonprofit, maybe could
Speaker 3: have been, you know, like I would have then been
Speaker 3: going really head to head against the Food Bank, which
Speaker 3: I still ended up doing, or feeding Americas and the
Speaker 3: bigger organizations. But I think it would have I don't
Speaker 3: think I would be where I am today had I
Speaker 3: not made it into a business.
Speaker 2: Right, So let's talk about some of the losses or
Speaker 2: failures and the roadblocks that you hit along the way.
Speaker 1: Building is because we see what you've built.
Speaker 2: But can you share some of the lessons and some
Speaker 2: of the moments where you felt like this is a
Speaker 2: really low moment.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean I think in twenty twenty three. It's
Speaker 3: funny I saw on social media someone was like, what's
Speaker 3: the year that you made it through? You know that
Speaker 3: you're glad the right about And I was like, it's
Speaker 3: a few like twenty sixteen, and then twenty twenty three
Speaker 3: was a really tough one. I was pregnant with my
Speaker 3: second child, very difficult pregnancy, like very I don't even
Speaker 3: think I told close friends, family, like real real close
Speaker 3: close people, probably until like second trimester, you know, like
Speaker 3: literally probably at least five or six months pregnant before
Speaker 3: I told anyone. Never told no one at my company,
Speaker 3: no one, like literally, I just I posted on social
Speaker 3: media one day like I want to introduce you out
Speaker 3: to my baby, like you know what I mean, like
Speaker 3: literally the day, yeah, like it's my birthday, here's my baby.
Speaker 3: And I think people afterwards, people were like, you know,
Speaker 3: when I saw you, I thought, you know, I wondered
Speaker 3: if you was a little pregnant like, you know, they
Speaker 3: were saying things like that, but at the time no
Speaker 3: one said anything. But I was just going through so
Speaker 3: much in my company, and I think the biggest thing
Speaker 3: was like people and what I would try and do
Speaker 3: was I was such a giver and that I realized
Speaker 3: I was a people pleaser. I was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: going to give all of my employees two hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty dollars a month for you know, for mental health
Speaker 3: or for veterinary services, like whatever they want to do,
Speaker 3: for yoga, whatever. I still do that, but I was
Speaker 3: doing it and expecting that they would not so much
Speaker 3: be loyal to me, but more so like see that
Speaker 3: I was really trying to be a good leader. I
Speaker 3: gave everybody the first Friday of the month off. I always,
Speaker 3: you know, try to do team retreats and take us
Speaker 3: to nice places like two times a year, bring your spouses.
Speaker 3: Like I was like giving so much of myself showing up.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be this humility based leader that I
Speaker 3: would clean the bathroom, would I mean every office we
Speaker 3: opened everything. I was painting the windows, doing you know,
Speaker 3: painting the windows, stills like being involved. I remember one
Speaker 3: time I was cleaning the window with windecks and our
Speaker 3: like our receptionists at the time, She's like, give it
Speaker 3: to me, like stop.
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, but that was who I was.
Speaker 3: So I think a lot of failure on team, a
Speaker 3: lot of failure on just like trying to you know,
Speaker 3: fundraise like that was a real tough one. I remember
Speaker 3: meeting with so many investors and you know, people just
Speaker 3: tell me it would never work, and they did it
Speaker 3: a believe in it, and so then when they're hard times,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, they're right. I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure they're going to be so happy that they didn't
Speaker 3: invest in me. And you know, I think those have
Speaker 3: been the biggest too. Definitely building teams, cause it's been
Speaker 3: you know, you're you're good with an employee, and then
Speaker 3: when it's not it doesn't go the way, you're like
Speaker 3: the worst person. So I think that that's like one
Speaker 3: of those things that had happened a lot of times,
Speaker 3: and just you know, trying to not lose focus of
Speaker 3: the mission, even when investors and people were like, I
Speaker 3: don't think you should concentrate on that. Don't do grocery stores,
Speaker 3: you should focus on just food waste. And I was
Speaker 3: like No, we could do both, you know, we could
Speaker 3: be a business that does both things. Like how many
Speaker 3: different lines of businesses Amazon have? Why do I only
Speaker 3: have to do one thing? Amazon has grocery stores and CDA, yeah, media,
Speaker 3: and they have a TV network, they have their deliveries,
Speaker 3: they have medical you know.
Speaker 4: Like why do I have to just only do this?
Speaker 3: And so just being able to make decisions without caring
Speaker 3: about what other people think was something that I failed
Speaker 3: at a lot. And then you know, just the actual
Speaker 3: like getting the right people and when you spend thousands
Speaker 3: and thousands of dollars on employees and it doesn't work out,
Speaker 3: and it's like a lot of money down the drain.
Speaker 3: And at this point in my business and I've spent millions, millions,
Speaker 3: I'm like employing people, hiring lawyers, just like all the things,
Speaker 3: all the things, and you start to think, like was
Speaker 3: that a waste to tell?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Waste the time and money, man? And if I had that.
Speaker 3: Back now, like if I had the money I spent
Speaker 3: on this trip or this perk or this this and this,
Speaker 3: like you know, in hard times, you're like, did I
Speaker 3: make the right decisions then?
Speaker 2: But all you can ever do is keep going and
Speaker 2: continue to be Yeah, and be true to who you are. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know that it is your heart posture and being
Speaker 2: kind and wanting to be giving is who you naturally are.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes when things like that happen, where it
Speaker 2: doesn't work out or you feel taken me for granted,
Speaker 2: you start to question, like, yeah, am I doing the
Speaker 2: right thing?
Speaker 1: I should just keep the main thing.
Speaker 2: The main thing, because like you look when you look back,
Speaker 2: and like I spent all this money and they didn't
Speaker 2: even appreciate it.
Speaker 4: I didn't appreciate it.
Speaker 3: And I think the other thing is like a little
Speaker 3: imposture syndrome, not so much like when you've been doing
Speaker 3: it for ten years and having this company. I thought
Speaker 3: about it the other day. I've I've done so much.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've spoken like the president of Egypt flew
Speaker 3: me out, I spoke at like a m Yes, I've
Speaker 3: been to Egypt, I've been to can Lions, and I've
Speaker 3: done commercials, I've done ted talks, I've done I mean
Speaker 3: just so much that I've done with this company, which
Speaker 3: is like sometimes you have to sit back and think
Speaker 3: about it, like a lot has happened good, a lot
Speaker 3: of bad, a lot of bad too. I remember one
Speaker 3: time I had the Atlanta Public School District. This is
Speaker 3: my friends know this over. This is a funny one
Speaker 3: Atlanta Public School District had let good or have a
Speaker 3: school to take over during the pandemic when we were
Speaker 3: feeding families and I got a call one morning, like
Speaker 3: four am, and it was the police and they were
Speaker 3: like listen, like we're here. Some of your employees are
Speaker 3: in here, and they're like they're living in the school.
Speaker 3: Like it was just so crazy. I mean, people are
Speaker 3: calling me like did you know so and so is
Speaker 3: living in the school.
Speaker 2: I'm like no, like just like the amount of yes
Speaker 2: and then like yes, like y'all about to ruin.
Speaker 4: Everything, like the whole relationship with the school. I mean
Speaker 4: just so many things. So you have to like apologize.
Speaker 3: And you know the cop that I was on the
Speaker 3: phone with me at four o'clock in the morning, I'm
Speaker 3: pregnant when my first child at the time. He was like,
Speaker 3: but I've been I see y'all on the news, and
Speaker 3: i know what y'all are doing. You know, I'm just
Speaker 3: tell them to get out of here and it's not
Speaker 3: going to be an issue. But like, just you know,
Speaker 3: I remember one time one of my drivers, my truck
Speaker 3: driver went through like a low median and tore the
Speaker 3: whole box truck off. Forty thousand dollars there. Yes, insurance
Speaker 3: company was like they want it covered. They don't cover negligence.
Speaker 3: That's literally what they said. They're like it had it
Speaker 3: says like a median. There's a lower thing he drove through.
Speaker 3: I mean the picture was I mean, you've never seen
Speaker 3: it was like a box truck. The scale of the
Speaker 3: box truck, the whole covering was gone, like just so
Speaker 3: many things, like forty thousand can you imagine that, Like
Speaker 3: just like just the money, the bills, It has been crazy,
Speaker 3: three hundred thousand dollars lawyer bills like you just a
Speaker 3: lot of yeah, they don't see that. So lots of good,
Speaker 3: lots of bad kind of like the ebbs and the flows,
Speaker 3: but the biggest pieces like every day we're in business,
Speaker 3: people are eating like yeah, so I mean like and
Speaker 3: so it always is a scary port for me because
Speaker 3: what do I do if I don't do this, Like
Speaker 3: we can't if we shut down. Like there's so many people, seniors,
Speaker 3: people who eat every single day. Like we opened a
Speaker 3: grocery store and a deli on Edgewood near the King Center,
Speaker 3: and I was in it the other day and I
Speaker 3: heard a man say, like, I appreciate y'all being here,
Speaker 3: like thank you for being here, like a senior because
Speaker 3: he could get a five dollars meal at our grocery
Speaker 3: store every day, like you can't do that at any
Speaker 3: other grocery store, and so.
Speaker 4: Nothing.
Speaker 3: Nothing, So it's like we have to be alive, but
Speaker 3: it's hard. It's hard to keep it going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of hard, when did you realize that you
Speaker 2: could do hard things?
Speaker 1: What was the moment we were like, Okay, I can
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think during the pandemic. I think twenty twenty was
Speaker 3: very telling. You know, on one day my business was
Speaker 3: we were working heavily on getting the excess food from
Speaker 3: businesses and getting it out to nonprofits. And the day
Speaker 3: that we went in quarantine, all everybody like stop service,
Speaker 3: like so literally everybody, cause there's like, hey, we're going home,
Speaker 3: We're going to cut it off. So I'm knowing that
Speaker 3: we're not going to get paid like we didn't. We
Speaker 3: didn't get a PPP loan like all of that stuff.
Speaker 3: We were too small of a company at the time.
Speaker 3: But within a matter of a week, we had set
Speaker 3: up this whole fulfillment center at a school, hired fifty employees,
Speaker 3: started getting donations from like Quality Control, music Spank, Sarah
Speaker 3: Blakeley gave us one hundred thousand dollars. United Way gave
Speaker 3: us money to feed families. And we did it in
Speaker 3: like a week. Like I was waking up at this
Speaker 3: is when I was an early morning girl, waking up
Speaker 3: at five am going to Walmart buying like twenty baskets
Speaker 3: of groceries, going to this school, putting them in boxes,
Speaker 3: having all these employees come and deliver them to the
Speaker 3: doors of people with masks on, and like you know,
Speaker 3: all this like we had to get I think we
Speaker 3: had to print out these things that we were like
Speaker 3: essential workers to keeping our dashboards to be out.
Speaker 4: Like that's how serious it was. And that was hard.
Speaker 3: I mean, but we were feeding thousands and thousands of
Speaker 3: people and it was like and we just did it
Speaker 3: within a matter of weeks. It was just like almost
Speaker 3: like panic. We got to think it was six years ago.
Speaker 3: It seemed so long ago when that happened. Yeah, when
Speaker 3: that happened, we were like, what's happening here?
Speaker 4: Like people just yeah. That was a friend of mine.
Speaker 3: When I went to week ago, she said to me,
Speaker 3: she's like, you remember in New York, we used to
Speaker 3: have the refrigerated trucks with all the bodies. I was like, what,
Speaker 3: I didn't even know in New York, like during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: There was no there was no I remember that.
Speaker 3: She was like, they had refrigerated trucks. You would see
Speaker 3: them going up and like this with bodies inside. I
Speaker 3: can't even believe.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that yet.
Speaker 1: Because the families couldn't come.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no one could climban it was it was crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was crazy.
Speaker 3: So that's when I knew. Like when I did that,
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, yeah, I could do.
Speaker 1: It all Bill. Yeah, I feel I was built for it.
Speaker 1: My goodness, I didn't realize it has been six years.
Speaker 3: Yeah a little, I mean, and this was like six
Speaker 3: years around. This time was like the thick of it
Speaker 3: because it was in March. It was March eighth, twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: I remember the day. I was like, and I remember.
Speaker 4: Us thinking it was gonna be two weeks.
Speaker 3: Like very like, oh, you know, fourteen days, let's just
Speaker 3: buckle down and do this. And it was at least
Speaker 3: almost two years before we really started getting out again.
Speaker 1: Literally, yeah, I think Essence.
Speaker 4: Came back in twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: so it.
Speaker 1: Was like a couple of years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we all had it.
Speaker 3: You know, you had COVID a couple of days like
Speaker 3: this is a lie. And my godmother's husband died during COVID.
Speaker 3: It was yes, because you know they used to send
Speaker 3: you home from the emergency room and he went with
Speaker 3: like saying something was wrong with his head, and then
Speaker 3: they sent him home and he died of an aneurysm.
Speaker 3: So it's just like yeah, like he so so much.
Speaker 3: I mean, just like it was tough. It was a
Speaker 3: real tough tough thing. Not gonna wait, we don't have
Speaker 3: We listened to science and you know, do all the things,
Speaker 3: but that was a hard time to build a business during,
Speaker 3: like one of the hardest times when also when people
Speaker 3: were out of work everybody. Yeah, I've had flight attendants
Speaker 3: nurses that were like working for plastic surgeons, so you
Speaker 3: know all the elective surgeries and stuff were canceled who
Speaker 3: were like they'll stop me. Like when I was a
Speaker 3: flight attendant, I was struggling and I heard about your
Speaker 3: food drive and I remember going and being like, I
Speaker 3: got fish and I'll never forget like the fact that
Speaker 3: they got good food when they were in their darkest time,
Speaker 3: just like people have stopped me till this day.
Speaker 4: That's why love Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'll be out looking crazy and I'd be like,
Speaker 3: I thought that was you was cause I look crazy.
Speaker 4: Love On the day to day.
Speaker 2: How does it feel when people come up to you
Speaker 2: and let you know the impact that you're making.
Speaker 3: I never forget it, you know. I still remember getting
Speaker 3: an email in September of twenty twenty one from a
Speaker 3: lady named Bertha, who I assume was a senior, and
Speaker 3: she was like, thank you for giving me meat that
Speaker 3: wasn't brown and I'll never forget that like that, and
Speaker 3: that's why I was like, that's what we do. What
Speaker 3: we do for yeah, And I remember sending that to
Speaker 3: the team and I was like, I want you to
Speaker 3: read this like this is look at this like people
Speaker 3: are so used to getting seconds.
Speaker 4: The clearance sticker meats.
Speaker 3: The stuff that's you know, used by today or freeze,
Speaker 3: like that's the name of the game and that's the
Speaker 3: stuff Like if we don't sell something at our store today,
Speaker 3: we and it says user freeze by tomorrow. We take
Speaker 3: it out, We freeze it, put it out and give
Speaker 3: it away for free, like you know, like it's just
Speaker 3: and I know it's good, Like we aren't making someone
Speaker 3: like feel less than but we still have hundreds of
Speaker 3: people that come through our doors to shop for free
Speaker 3: and they don't even have to shop for that, you know.
Speaker 3: I'm still giving that away on top of whatever we give,
Speaker 3: you know. So that makes me feel really good because
Speaker 3: that's what we exist for. And what makes me upset
Speaker 3: about it is it's like that is so hard to
Speaker 3: fight for. Yes, it's so hard, like you know, to
Speaker 3: to just fight for people to have good food. Like
Speaker 3: it's like, oh you don't there's no funding for it,
Speaker 3: there's no people don't see the value in feeding people
Speaker 3: good food.
Speaker 1: No, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a scary way to think, you know, for sure.
Speaker 4: Honestly it's tough.
Speaker 2: Wow, what you have done takes a lot of courage.
Speaker 2: So I want to know who was your role model
Speaker 2: that instilled courage in you? Or has life been the
Speaker 2: best teacher in that space?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean definitely gonna have to say my dad,
Speaker 3: Like when I was building the company, I was struggling.
Speaker 3: You know, my dad always talks about like every time
Speaker 3: he would get paid, he would send me three hundred
Speaker 3: dollars towards my rent, Like you know, just like all
Speaker 3: of those things. Just like someone to still believe he
Speaker 3: comes now. He like will come and work in the
Speaker 3: grocery store, and he'll come here, Like Jasmine, Chubby is
Speaker 3: someone I want you to take a picture with.
Speaker 4: It's just like a random person. Like it's just like
Speaker 4: you know whoever it is.
Speaker 3: But it's just like being having someone that's just proud
Speaker 3: of you, no matter if you fail or not, like
Speaker 3: you know, So I think definitely my dad, But my parents.
Speaker 3: My parents were hard workers, you know, and I grew
Speaker 3: up my parents were really poor until they got to
Speaker 3: like their thirty mid thirties.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: They were high school sweethearts. They've been together since fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 3: They had me in nineteen and twenty, and I remember
Speaker 3: my mom telling me like her dream was like to
Speaker 3: live in a double wide trailer. So like I remember
Speaker 3: like just growing up and just not having a ton
Speaker 3: you know, Like in hindsight, I'm like, oh wow, Like
Speaker 3: we were struggling. And then I watched my mom go
Speaker 3: to school at University of Phoenix, part time, working full time,
Speaker 3: going to school at night, going back and getting her masters,
Speaker 3: like literally like she retired as the CEO of a hospital,
Speaker 3: and I watched her like start from you know, not
Speaker 3: like literally drop out of college because they got pregnant
Speaker 3: with me and follow my dad in the Air Force.
Speaker 3: And so just like seeing how hard they work and
Speaker 3: still struggled, Like I just I am always baffled by that,
Speaker 3: and so I have a real, I guess affinity to
Speaker 3: making sure that people who are doing their best have
Speaker 3: the resources that they need because I watched people around
Speaker 3: me struggling, and I still watch that today. I know
Speaker 3: a lot of people who I'm like, God, they're always working,
Speaker 3: but they still are struggling because everything keeps going, the
Speaker 3: needle keeps moving, like you know, you get here and
Speaker 3: now the goal post is here, the rain has went up,
Speaker 3: or the you know, the power bill of six hundred
Speaker 3: because now it's hot, and I mean you just can't
Speaker 3: keep your breath and you're never you're never not running,
Speaker 3: and so like I want to make sure that those
Speaker 3: people are good.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that.
Speaker 2: Did you always we talked about vision, Did you always
Speaker 2: know that you were going to do something so extraordinary?
Speaker 2: Like what was your initial vision for yourself?
Speaker 4: I mean I wanted to be a teacher.
Speaker 3: So I had originally went to North Carolina Central for teaching,
Speaker 3: and I did the summer before I went. I had
Speaker 3: like my own little summer camp and it was like
Speaker 3: a scholarship. I think you worked this Summerskinghampion. You got
Speaker 3: like a three thousand dollars scholarship.
Speaker 4: And it was great.
Speaker 3: I mean I had I had like the radio come
Speaker 3: out from my camp. I had a party, I got
Speaker 3: pizza consort. I was like, I was gonna be one
Speaker 3: of those teachers. And then I really loved sports, and
Speaker 3: so I wanted to do broadcast journalism, so I switched
Speaker 3: to communications, I mean intern with Radio one. I mean
Speaker 3: I did all the things, started doing PR. So I
Speaker 3: don't think I knew I wanted to be like extraordinary.
Speaker 3: I felt like I wanted to help other people be extraordinary,
Speaker 3: especially in those early like PR days. But I did
Speaker 3: know I wanted to help people, and that has been
Speaker 3: something that's been probably very early on.
Speaker 4: People that have known me.
Speaker 3: For a long time would say yeah, she was helping
Speaker 3: people or she was doing stuff. I mean, so someone
Speaker 3: described me the other day. I started Future the Rapper
Speaker 3: Futures Foundation years ago here in Atlanta, and someone Bobby,
Speaker 3: who works with him, came into my store.
Speaker 4: Hey Bobby a great, great.
Speaker 3: Guy, and he was like yeah, yes, yes, Bobby is
Speaker 3: so great. He's like, yeah, you know she did a
Speaker 3: nonprofit hick like she didn't have started all to nonprofit,
Speaker 3: like you know what, that's kind of how.
Speaker 4: They think about it. I'm like nonprofit lamb choped God.
Speaker 3: You know, I got a lot of titles, but a
Speaker 3: lot of people know me from like nonprofits, feeding people,
Speaker 3: just doing that. So and honestly, I love that you
Speaker 3: said extraordinary because I probably what I do now is extraordinary,
Speaker 3: but I probably would never use that as an adjective
Speaker 3: to describe it. So I should rethink, you know, yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: I would just be like I feed people and like,
Speaker 3: you know, give people. I don't think I would describe
Speaker 3: extraordinary at all.
Speaker 2: Extraordinary, Yes, yes, exactly exactly. Do you think that God
Speaker 2: was building the courage before you really understood your assignment?
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, Like I remember I used to practice
Speaker 3: like pitching my business so much, like so so much,
Speaker 3: and I would it's probably like you know this right,
Speaker 3: like remember memorizing the lines, and I would I would
Speaker 3: get to like the last minute and get something wrong
Speaker 3: and then like make myself start over again. So when
Speaker 3: I would go into pitch competitions, which is how I
Speaker 3: funded Gooder for like the first year, I think I
Speaker 3: won maybe two hundred thousand dollars in prize money. I
Speaker 3: was just like anywhere there's a pitch competition, like let me,
Speaker 3: let me try and win this money. Because I didn't
Speaker 3: have anything to start it. But I just felt like
Speaker 3: God just had his hands on my life cause I
Speaker 3: would just go in and I would just win, you know,
Speaker 3: like it was just so And I always knew like
Speaker 3: if anyone had practiced more than me, than they were crazy,
Speaker 3: because I thought I was crazy. I was like practicing
Speaker 3: day and night, having everybody listened to it. Everyone just
Speaker 3: like pitch and pitch and pitching. But I do know
Speaker 3: just in a lot of moments, like to be here
Speaker 3: ten years, God's got to have a big part in it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because most black owned women businesses starting with a solo
Speaker 3: founder that don't make it three years, don't make it five,
Speaker 3: don't make it seven. So like I keep and I
Speaker 3: keep on telling myself, I got him see January twenty
Speaker 3: twenty seven.
Speaker 4: I got to see it.
Speaker 3: I don't care if I'm the last employees and it
Speaker 3: I will see January and we will officially have been
Speaker 3: ten I've been working on it for ten years. But
Speaker 3: if I can make it to January twenties twenty seven,
Speaker 3: it will have been a real business for twenty Yes,
Speaker 3: for ten years.
Speaker 4: Which is crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like a business that like has employed like
Speaker 3: a real business, like a real business, like paid taxes
Speaker 3: and all the things come on, all.
Speaker 1: The things that's real.
Speaker 3: Yes, employed a lot of it, I mean yes, and
Speaker 3: fed me like I think that's the biggest piece too.
Speaker 3: Like I've employed myself for a decade, wow, which is
Speaker 3: you know. And through that decade, through this journey, I've
Speaker 3: had kids, I've gotten married. I was single, like sleeping
Speaker 3: in my friend's apartment like broom like I was, you know,
Speaker 3: I started from nothing, and so it's definitely been a
Speaker 3: God purpose driven life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: I love that talk about God purpose driven life. I
Speaker 2: want to know, when did you know that Gooder was
Speaker 2: an assignment on your life? That this is like something
Speaker 2: that God had placed on you. It is your responsibility.
Speaker 3: I would say, the very first day that I ever
Speaker 3: pitched it, you know, like it was like I remember
Speaker 3: I got this little T shirt made, it was like stretched,
Speaker 3: you know, the logo wasn't centered, so Geter was like
Speaker 3: all the way across here.
Speaker 4: It was like but you know, I was so proud
Speaker 4: and I still have.
Speaker 3: This yes, and I was just like, you know, like
Speaker 3: this is what I'm going to do. And and by
Speaker 3: that time, so many people had told me it didn't
Speaker 3: makes sense, like you know, you want to do that,
Speaker 3: no one's ever going to pay for that, and you
Speaker 3: know all of that.
Speaker 4: Like so I think I was.
Speaker 3: Like, this is if I'm not meant to do this,
Speaker 3: why do I have the idea? Why do I have
Speaker 3: the why do I have the name? Why do I
Speaker 3: know that? You know, it's a problem, Like I think
Speaker 3: just the day one, like day one, really thinking like
Speaker 3: and again my vision at the time was so small
Speaker 3: in hindsight, like a million meals. We probably did that
Speaker 3: probably the first month or so during the pandemic alone.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, for sure, it's crazy to think about
Speaker 3: everyone used so sayd we had a Gooder box. Like
Speaker 3: we used to give people like a box of food
Speaker 3: that would get them through.
Speaker 4: Like ten days. Like it was so much food, and.
Speaker 3: People were just blown away it was good, you know,
Speaker 3: and they would tell it. I mean, we'd have stickers
Speaker 3: on the box like low sugar, diabetic, no pork. So
Speaker 3: every box was literally like tailored to what those families
Speaker 3: were eating. And so it's yeah, that was so.
Speaker 2: Thought too, Like a lot of thought put into because,
Speaker 2: like you say, a lot of times when you have
Speaker 2: the food banks, so just putting food in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I love that you're telling it because there's
Speaker 2: a lot of things that we don't eat. Our bodies
Speaker 2: can't take, you know, for whether it's our blood type
Speaker 2: or allergies.
Speaker 1: And different things. So I love that you took the
Speaker 1: time to do that. That's amazing. You kind of started
Speaker 1: this before it was a thing.
Speaker 2: You know, what did it feel like carrying something that
Speaker 2: a lot of people weren't carrying yet?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know how that feel.
Speaker 3: I think you know a lot of times you felt
Speaker 3: like to do I make sense to anybody? Like you know,
Speaker 3: cause I mean, and that's how I feel like every
Speaker 3: entrepreneur starts. It's a dream like you know, first you
Speaker 3: made your mom and your dad and your auntie might
Speaker 3: be your first customer, you know.
Speaker 4: I couldn't. I didn't have that here, Like I wasn't
Speaker 4: selling a product.
Speaker 3: I was selling like a service and like a service
Speaker 3: to businesses, right, So at first I was like maybe
Speaker 3: I am really crazy, like maybe this doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: And I remember my dad used to send me so
Speaker 3: many jobs, Like after the first like year I was
Speaker 3: pitching trying to fundraise, nothing was coming from it, and
Speaker 3: my dad was like sending me ing jobs and he
Speaker 3: was like you got to keep your lights on, you know.
Speaker 3: And I was like, God, I'm gonna have to get
Speaker 3: a job, you know. So I felt like a little
Speaker 3: bit like maybe out of place, especially in those early days,
Speaker 3: like going and talking to investors. I remember I told
Speaker 3: someone I was like an HPC or alumna, and he
Speaker 3: was like, where's that at, Like, you know, like a
Speaker 3: lot of times you're just talking to people that just
Speaker 3: don't understand hunger, never have been hungry, don't understand the
Speaker 3: walk that you're in. So I definitely felt like out
Speaker 3: of place a lot of times. But then there would
Speaker 3: be moments where it would be very reaffirming like some
Speaker 3: one of my investors, like I grew up poor, I
Speaker 3: grew up hungry, Like I want to invest in you?
Speaker 4: What do I need to do?
Speaker 3: So like those moments would happen too, but I felt
Speaker 3: very much like maybe I'm crazy. I'm pretty I would say,
Speaker 3: like probably, Like how you know even like think of
Speaker 3: like Tyner Perry, so many entrepreneurs, like at first, it's
Speaker 3: just you and you're just saying this is what this
Speaker 3: is the vision, and a lot of people don't believe
Speaker 3: in it, and then they kicked themselves later, right, and
Speaker 3: so you have to believe in it, and that's like
Speaker 3: the most important, Like, you know, others didn't. A lot
Speaker 3: of others didn't. I had definitely friends and family that
Speaker 3: I think my dad, I won't say he didn't believe
Speaker 3: in me when he was sending me jobs, but he
Speaker 3: was like, you got to still be it if it
Speaker 3: doesn't work. You gotta still be able to eat, you know,
Speaker 3: feed yourself and do all the things. But you will
Speaker 3: ultimately be the only person that will believe and has
Speaker 3: to continue to reaffirm yourself when other people are telling
Speaker 3: you you're crazy, it's not going to work. You should
Speaker 3: shut it down, wind down, like you know, this is
Speaker 3: I can't tell you. My accountant is like I think
Speaker 3: some I remember last year she was like, I feel
Speaker 3: like we should shut the company down, like let's just
Speaker 3: pay off, like just like very much, just hard conversations
Speaker 3: and I'm like no, like something's going to happen, and
Speaker 3: so many big things would happen, like we'd get big donations,
Speaker 3: we'd get just stuff would just happen that it's like
Speaker 3: that's nothing, but God, like what do.
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you do?
Speaker 4: And he'll do that?
Speaker 3: I mean they had things have happened, and I've had
Speaker 3: moments look at my phone, look who email looking like
Speaker 3: this is it happens.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of stuff, and it.
Speaker 3: Only happens if you don't quit, you know, because there
Speaker 3: if I had quit, like when my accountant told me that,
Speaker 3: I would have got that email and someone wants to
Speaker 3: give me a large donation and the company's closed, I
Speaker 3: don't even need to donate.
Speaker 4: Like you know, what do you do then?
Speaker 3: Like you know, so it's like you have to figure
Speaker 3: it out, even if it's just like.
Speaker 2: Hard, it is, it is hard, and with you being
Speaker 2: a pioneer in this space, do you ever get permission
Speaker 2: to be tired because I hear doing it alone, Like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: like time say, Okay, I'm actually tired right now, but
Speaker 2: you're also a mom.
Speaker 4: Yeah you're doing it all like everything, you really don't.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's I mean, it's been really hard
Speaker 3: for me what I've been very comfortable realizing lately, and
Speaker 3: this is just you know, twenty twenty six realization, Jasmine.
Speaker 3: On no given day will I be one hundred percent
Speaker 3: my best self for everybody and everything in my life.
Speaker 3: Like some days my kids aren't gonna get the best Jazmine.
Speaker 3: Some days my friends ain't gonna get it. My business
Speaker 3: are my husband like some dady, it's just gonna be
Speaker 3: like I'm not gonna be one hundred percent perfect every day,
Speaker 3: but I just need to show up every day and
Speaker 3: you know, get through the day and try and like
Speaker 3: be better. But I think at one point you try
Speaker 3: so hard to like do everything right and like miss everything,
Speaker 3: you know. I remember one time my daughter was telling
Speaker 3: my husband like, yeah, I was the last person picked up,
Speaker 3: like you know, like just like really like I'm saying,
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, Journey said she was the last one
Speaker 3: picked up at day care, like you know, like listen,
Speaker 3: I was late, like you know, it's Atlanta.
Speaker 4: Traffic, trying to make it happen.
Speaker 1: She got picked up.
Speaker 3: You know, she got picked up at six thirty. I
Speaker 3: was there at six thirty one, you.
Speaker 2: Know, like I got there, but like she might have
Speaker 2: been the last one.
Speaker 3: But you know, I wasn't one hundred percent for her
Speaker 3: that day. You know, I wasn't early. But she got
Speaker 3: picked up and she had dinner, you know, like and
Speaker 3: we went through the next day. There was a time
Speaker 3: when I'd be like, oh, man, like you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, I got to be a better mom. I
Speaker 3: need to show up more. Like you know, you're telling yourself.
Speaker 3: The things that we tell ourselves, we have to really watch.
Speaker 3: And I think that's just real recent realization for me
Speaker 3: is like listening, Jasmine, you're telling yourself a lot of
Speaker 3: things that are negative or you're telling yourself you know,
Speaker 3: I got to keep it positive.
Speaker 4: So I need to be a little bit more positive.
Speaker 3: That's what I need to start telling myself in the car,
Speaker 3: like you keep it positive because I am like, Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe I need to shut it down. Maybe it's not
Speaker 3: gonna work. Why are these you know, and it's like
Speaker 3: you're gonna have the negative thoughts too, but you have
Speaker 3: to redirect and that's and sometimes I don't do that,
Speaker 3: so I need to do better.
Speaker 2: I'm happy for you that you're working on that, you know,
Speaker 2: because I know, just as women period, we carry a
Speaker 2: lot and we are harder on ourselves, yes.
Speaker 1: Than anybody else. Yeah, we are, yeah.
Speaker 3: And people are harder on us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: This is like one of those things that the fish
Speaker 3: rides from the head, like it's coming from somewhere. So
Speaker 3: like we have a lot to carry. So it's like
Speaker 3: if everyone's hard on you.
Speaker 4: You're hard on yourself.
Speaker 3: Like when do you get a chance to kind of
Speaker 3: rest from that? So that's it's a hard thing to do.
Speaker 4: And I'm still.
Speaker 1: Learning, Yeah, very much. No, I feel you on that.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you.
Speaker 2: We're almost at ten years January January will make ten years.
Speaker 2: What is something that year one? Jazzmine believes that year ten.
Speaker 2: Jazzmine does not believe anymore.
Speaker 3: That you know, everybody's on my side, like we're all
Speaker 3: like a family, and you know, I don't believe that anymore. Like,
Speaker 3: you know, I really have to watch for the snakes
Speaker 3: in the grass. And I have to realize that I've
Speaker 3: let a lot of people unlocked doors off of my keys,
Speaker 3: you know, off of my intellectual property. And you can't
Speaker 3: tell everybody your ideas. Yeah, you can't tell everybody.
Speaker 4: Your next move. You can't.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't make a lot of announcements. Now
Speaker 3: I think you're ten ten years ago. I'm speaking here,
Speaker 3: I'm doing this. This great thing just happened, like you know. Now,
Speaker 3: it's like, even though I'm saying a lot, I'm not
Speaker 3: saying a lot, come on, because you know, I've learned
Speaker 3: and I've had a lot of let you know, I've
Speaker 3: had a lot of lessons, so you know, that is
Speaker 3: a big thing.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: I hired friends, I hired family. I mean I did
Speaker 3: a lot of that. And now those would be things
Speaker 3: I would say I shouldn't have hired friends, Like you know,
Speaker 3: I hired like my first business development person was like
Speaker 3: a friend.
Speaker 4: They didn't know how to develop business.
Speaker 3: And it's like other employees were like saying, like yo,
Speaker 3: like you got to get some better people around you.
Speaker 3: But I was like, oh, this is my friend, like
Speaker 3: you know, like to go together like that, you know,
Speaker 3: and you can't do that. You got to you got
Speaker 3: to make everybody go through the application in the interview process,
Speaker 3: like you know. And I didn't do that a lot.
Speaker 3: And that's like something that you have to. Everybody's just
Speaker 3: not your friend, and that really sucks to say. When
Speaker 3: you're like a people pleaser, you love people and you're
Speaker 3: in a business of service.
Speaker 4: You just got to watch. You gotta watch.
Speaker 3: So your ting, Jasmine is like guards up a little bit,
Speaker 3: you know, because I think you've been through the battle.
Speaker 3: And so now it's like when I go into year ten,
Speaker 3: so I got to win the war, like you know,
Speaker 3: I've been through it. So it's like now it's like
Speaker 3: what do I want to do with this business? How
Speaker 3: big do I want to see it go? How do
Speaker 3: I what do I need to do to make those
Speaker 3: things happen? That's so true to be around me in
Speaker 3: this phase too, that too, and who doesn't need to
Speaker 3: be around me?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot of that.
Speaker 2: When it comes to wisdom, it comes with learning lessons
Speaker 2: in life.
Speaker 3: I mean, I grew up with this company, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I moved to Atlanta. I was like twenty eight
Speaker 3: twenty nine, Like I was a young one and then
Speaker 3: started getting into the business. So like, you know, I
Speaker 3: grew up like building a whole business and all the
Speaker 3: things that happen in life. You're just you're gonna gain
Speaker 3: wisdom with time, yes, And I remember, like you know,
Speaker 3: your parents used to be, like you know, you may
Speaker 3: be you're not as wise as me, and like you
Speaker 3: know that that is so true, Like you know, you
Speaker 3: may be faster, you may be younger, but you're not
Speaker 3: as wise. And wisdom comes with time and a lot
Speaker 3: of hard lessons and a lot of hard moments.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yes, you are absolutely right about that.
Speaker 2: I think anyone who has had the guts to go
Speaker 2: into being an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: Has had to learn that. Yeah, a lot of.
Speaker 2: Hard lessons that come with it, because a lot of
Speaker 2: times you're learning on the job, you know, and you're
Speaker 2: figuring it out.
Speaker 4: I read about a year recently.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna read more into this story that like she
Speaker 3: like one of her friends, she gave her access to
Speaker 3: her accounts and then she drained the accounts like million
Speaker 3: dollar business, like a fitness life. It's like a big
Speaker 3: TikTok story. And then like the business went out of business,
Speaker 3: like and she was afraid to tell this story because
Speaker 3: people were.
Speaker 4: Like, what do you mean you gave But it's like
Speaker 4: if you're.
Speaker 3: Just like building something, you're a DTC consumer like entrepreneur,
Speaker 3: and you're like, this is my friend, this is my homegirl,
Speaker 3: Like that's a crazy story. This is recent, like this
Speaker 3: is out now, Like and she lost multimillion dollar business,
Speaker 3: million dollars in the account, couldn't pay anybody. And then
Speaker 3: like it's like trying to like sue the girl. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you gave her access to your account.
Speaker 1: So yeah, what can you do. You don't have a
Speaker 1: dog in the past.
Speaker 3: You don't have any I mean like there are some
Speaker 3: stories out here, not even just my stories, but just
Speaker 3: for entrepreneurs period.
Speaker 2: So it's it's tough, Yes, tough, it really is, and
Speaker 2: you have to for it's one thing that Tyler did.
Speaker 2: He's talking a lot of things, but when it comes
Speaker 2: to business, even like making sure that you know where
Speaker 2: your money's going, like writing the checks, approving everything, like
Speaker 2: mindingly account until I approve.
Speaker 1: It, I look at the invoices. What is this, said Oprah?
Speaker 1: Does she saw him that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: He always talks open like I asked Oprah, Oprah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's yes, Yeah, he does, but she does that. She
Speaker 3: says she used to sign even when she had her show,
Speaker 3: like everyone's check. You know, you probably had she probably
Speaker 3: had the studio staff of one hundred and fifty two
Speaker 3: hundred people. You know, Like, but can you just imagine,
Speaker 3: like you got to do it.
Speaker 1: Because you will wake up and like where's this? Where
Speaker 1: is that? I'm always asking questions. I look at it.
Speaker 2: I don't just approve the number. I look at the invoice.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at dates.
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 4: Me and my accountant be texting a much.
Speaker 3: I had sent her. I got an email on July four.
Speaker 3: It was like boom, Like it's you know, it's a Saturday,
Speaker 3: she responded, because like, you know, we gotta be having conversations.
Speaker 3: But you gotta watch your money for sure, because it
Speaker 3: comes and it goes. It does, and you know there
Speaker 3: will be days like you know, you'll see one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars come and then next day you got payroll
Speaker 3: and voice I mean, and then you're like, oh, it's.
Speaker 4: Like what happens next?
Speaker 3: Like it's just like, you know, it's just a tough thing,
Speaker 3: and you got to imagine, like just think of like
Speaker 3: someone like Tyler Perry, like how much he has to
Speaker 3: see even just like seeing the studio and how big
Speaker 3: it is, and just like you know, like can you
Speaker 3: imagine it's like such a it's a production, and it's
Speaker 3: like and it only God willing. As an entrepreneur, it
Speaker 3: only gets bigger and it only gets greater. And so
Speaker 3: it's only more invoices and more things you got to
Speaker 3: pay for and more. I mean, it comes with it, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it comes. It's how big do you want to get?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know exactly, Yeah, and understand, I think how
Speaker 2: you steward over it when it's small, it's going to
Speaker 2: show you how to stew it over as it gets bigger.
Speaker 3: And I love that you said that because a lot
Speaker 3: of times I think that's where we have gotten bigger
Speaker 3: is just being like, you know, my goal in the beginning,
Speaker 3: it was like a million dollars, a million meals, and
Speaker 3: so then every time it's bigger than that, you're like, gosh.
Speaker 3: So finding like gratitude even when it's been really really
Speaker 3: hard for me and I've had some hard years and
Speaker 3: some hard times in building the business, Like I just
Speaker 3: find attitude and like all that we've done. And so
Speaker 3: sometimes like even if I have to shut down tomorrow.
Speaker 3: You know, I've done this.
Speaker 1: I've done this.
Speaker 3: I've opened all these grocery stores, I've fed all these
Speaker 3: people like there's and what I'm learning now is being
Speaker 3: okay with however it turns out. And I think that's
Speaker 3: what has gotten in my way before. It is like
Speaker 3: kind of caring about like what are people going to think?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: But no one knows how hard it is as an entrepreneur.
Speaker 4: So I.
Speaker 3: Got to shut down because no one knows that. It's
Speaker 3: like I'm you know, moving money and I'm saving money,
Speaker 3: like you.
Speaker 1: Know, I'm invessing my own money business.
Speaker 4: I' gonna get out of.
Speaker 1: Another time.
Speaker 4: Yes, I like doing it.
Speaker 1: I mean I shut it down.
Speaker 3: I'm one of those people who open bank accounts that
Speaker 3: like places that I'm never I'm like there, I'm not
Speaker 3: even going there, and then I gotta go in there,
Speaker 3: you know, I just like dang, like I gotta. So
Speaker 3: It's been a lot that have happened, but I know
Speaker 3: it'll I know it'll come back to me. And it
Speaker 3: has so many I mean just all the experiences being
Speaker 3: able to write a book, being able to you know,
Speaker 3: have experiences like being here with you, like it never
Speaker 3: would have happened had and I got started and not
Speaker 3: kept going.
Speaker 1: For sure kept going? How did your faith carry you through?
Speaker 4: I mean I feel like faith definitely.
Speaker 3: I am often asking God to like order my steps,
Speaker 3: like whatever it's gonna be, like that's it because and
Speaker 3: that's I'm like, well, if he can't shut it down today,
Speaker 3: you know, he must keep going because like that's my
Speaker 3: my constant prayer is like you know, I and I
Speaker 3: do wish I could really have like those moments for
Speaker 3: God is like this what we're gonna do, Like you know,
Speaker 3: like that's kind of the thing, like make it very
Speaker 3: very clear. But I definitely just have to like pray
Speaker 3: and believe. And I always say to myself the one
Speaker 3: thing I say to myself when I have a lot
Speaker 3: of hard moments is like, Jasmine, God did not bring
Speaker 3: you here. He didn't bring you this far to leave you, Like,
Speaker 3: look how much further you've gone from a million like
Speaker 3: just look from from that vision, like there's no way
Speaker 3: that this could be the end of it.
Speaker 2: And you know, times like have you had moments where
Speaker 2: like you think about just throwing in the towel and
Speaker 2: then you look at that moment and then you see.
Speaker 1: How far he's brought you from that moment to give
Speaker 1: it up. Oh yeah. I was like, all right, it's
Speaker 1: so meny.
Speaker 3: I mean like a lot of times, and I mean,
Speaker 3: and I always know that it's something that's still gonna come.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know what it's going to be, but
Speaker 3: I'm like, cause we're doing we're doing good work. I
Speaker 3: feel like we're doing the Lord's work, like you know.
Speaker 3: And I always tell people like, at the end of
Speaker 3: my life, I didn't get in it to like become
Speaker 3: a millionaire and make all this money, like that wasn't
Speaker 3: my goal. I was just already feeding people when I
Speaker 3: had nothing. So it was more so to like do good,
Speaker 3: do something good, and like, you know, make a life
Speaker 3: for it. But I always say, like, at the end
Speaker 3: of my life, like I really will be able to
Speaker 3: stay before God and be like, listen, your people were
Speaker 3: hungry and I fed them, you know, likes come on, yes, futures.
Speaker 3: Mama one time she told me and Miss Jay she
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I know one thing about a baby.
Speaker 3: You're gonna go to heaven.
Speaker 4: So I know that.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. I want to get
Speaker 1: into your book.
Speaker 2: You are now an author, and I want to know
Speaker 2: what inspired you to write this book, and let's talk
Speaker 2: about that process.
Speaker 3: You know, I gave my first TED talk in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: and so at that point, like a lot of people
Speaker 3: were reaching out about like, you know, would you want
Speaker 3: to turn it into a book. But I didn't have
Speaker 3: a lot of lessons yet, like you know, I had
Speaker 3: at that point only been in business for two years.
Speaker 3: So fast forward to twenty twenty four, the opportunity to
Speaker 3: presented itself again, and I was like you know what, yeah,
Speaker 3: like three was so hard that twenty twenty four I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I got something to write about.
Speaker 4: I have something to talk about.
Speaker 3: And I started kind of laying, like, you know, my
Speaker 3: favorite chapter in the book is about failure, and it
Speaker 3: talks about feeling a lot like not not.
Speaker 4: Once, because you don't feel once. You fell often like
Speaker 4: you feel.
Speaker 3: I mean there's days at our store, like you know what,
Speaker 3: we felt like a customer, I'm gonna go leave a
Speaker 3: bad review on you, you know, it's like, well, sorry, you
Speaker 3: had a bad experience, like you know, like you know
Speaker 3: that happens, So that's a failure, right if they don't
Speaker 3: have a good experience that's a failure on your business
Speaker 3: on that day. Like you know, you try, but you
Speaker 3: could have done things better. So I think just the
Speaker 3: experiences that I had had felt like I was really
Speaker 3: like a thought leader in this space and just all
Speaker 3: that I was realizing and all that I was seeing.
Speaker 3: So I think that's what made me want to write
Speaker 3: it and really just to inspire and so not so
Speaker 3: much if everyone will go out and feed somebody, but
Speaker 3: if you have an idea.
Speaker 4: Could you go after it?
Speaker 3: Because I was I would probably have a million dollars
Speaker 3: in the bank if I had a dollar for everyone
Speaker 3: who was like I thought about that. I think, you know,
Speaker 3: I used to wonder what was happening in the food
Speaker 3: and I thought about I mean, just so many.
Speaker 4: People I thought about doing a deli like that. I
Speaker 4: mean just all of that and the only difference that's it.
Speaker 4: It's just the execution.
Speaker 3: And that's the biggest difference between the successful people and
Speaker 3: the people that it's just who's executing on it every
Speaker 3: single day and just to like give people those tips
Speaker 3: has been and just I mean writing the book, there
Speaker 3: is like so many stories that I was just like,
Speaker 3: whoa like this has been? I'm going to actually when
Speaker 3: this is all said and done, that's the book. Next
Speaker 3: is going to be Like the screenplayers, I got to
Speaker 3: figure out a way to like write this is like
Speaker 3: an insecure tech person because like I was living life
Speaker 3: building this business and a lot was happening, like just
Speaker 3: a lot of crazy stories. So you know, I just
Speaker 3: needed to put it on paper and like get it
Speaker 3: out there. And now it'll be there for forever, and
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty cool even if companies not there.
Speaker 3: Like the story of how I built this company and
Speaker 3: where it came from is there, and I'll always be
Speaker 3: able to like turn to it and like you know,
Speaker 3: point to it and teach about it one day.
Speaker 1: And it can become other things like a show Like
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it really should be because it's just I mean,
Speaker 3: people just want to believe it, and you I think
Speaker 3: now we're hearing more stories of people opening up about
Speaker 3: how hard it's been on entrepreneur and journeys, like I
Speaker 3: think of like Ami Kole who like shut down her
Speaker 3: makeup brand, or like, you know, people are talking about
Speaker 3: these things now where a lot of times it was
Speaker 3: like very taboo. I have a lot of frin I'm
Speaker 3: in a group of women founders, like all black women,
Speaker 3: who have raised over a million dollars. I think there's
Speaker 3: like two hundred of us. So a new website just
Speaker 3: came out like archiving us as we raised capital.
Speaker 4: And so we're in this group called Visible Figures.
Speaker 3: And it's been a lot of companies who were shut down,
Speaker 3: like people are like I'm shutting down, We're getting acquired,
Speaker 3: we're doing I mean, it's just a lot of it.
Speaker 3: But we don't often talk about our failures out loud.
Speaker 3: And this is like me talking about like, hey, this
Speaker 3: is what I got right, this is what I'm working on,
Speaker 3: this is what I got wrong, and this is what
Speaker 3: I now.
Speaker 4: It's your turn to go.
Speaker 3: Out and like, you know, learn from my mistakes. But
Speaker 3: if you have a vision for something, you know, it's
Speaker 3: really up to you to execute on it. That's the
Speaker 3: big purpose of the book is like the idea is
Speaker 3: nothing without action. Yeah, you know it's not. I mean
Speaker 3: I was sitting down drawing. I was in a hackathumb
Speaker 3: but as a team of one, like you know, literally, yes,
Speaker 3: like it's just gonna be me. That's where Shelley met me.
Speaker 3: I was one and Shelley can attested that I walked
Speaker 3: in there, I'm like, is this your team?
Speaker 4: It's me, Like, this is it?
Speaker 3: The idea is just it is about to be just
Speaker 3: jazzmine and this is you know, I'm getting up, I'm
Speaker 3: pitching and I'm talking about this vision and how it
Speaker 3: was going to work and going and you know, picking
Speaker 3: up food myself. I used to have like a Hynde
Speaker 3: Sonata and it smelled so bad because I had picked
Speaker 3: up so much food, dropped them and spilled black beans
Speaker 3: and just like all this stuff, like black beans smell
Speaker 3: really bad after a day or two, like it smells
Speaker 3: like death. You know, that car when it was done,
Speaker 3: it was smelling like food at all times. And so
Speaker 3: so I did it all like I was the one
Speaker 3: going out and picking up the food and trying to
Speaker 3: do all of the things. And if I could do it,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't come from money. I don't come
Speaker 3: from I didn't have like someone write me a check,
Speaker 3: just go out and test this out. And even though
Speaker 3: the investment piece, which I talk about a lot in
Speaker 3: the book, was a big source of kind of contention
Speaker 3: for me, right because I wanted to feed people, investors
Speaker 3: wanted me to make money. And I believe that we
Speaker 3: could do both. I cherish people that put money into
Speaker 3: my vision, and so a lot of times I had
Speaker 3: like conflicting, like, well, maybe I do do this, maybe
Speaker 3: I can cut costs by giving people this or like,
Speaker 3: and it was like I just kept going back to like,
Speaker 3: I have to give people choices, like it has to happen,
Speaker 3: and then I don't know how it's going to happen
Speaker 3: every single month, but ultimately it has to happen. And
Speaker 3: so it's I think it'll be a really good book
Speaker 3: for entrepreneurs.
Speaker 1: Across the bar And where can we find this book?
Speaker 4: Everywhere? So it's on Amazon now.
Speaker 3: So it officially comes out on July twenty first of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, but you can pre order it Barnes
Speaker 3: and Noble, all the places, Black bookstores, please support.
Speaker 4: And I'm just really grateful for it Just looks so good.
Speaker 3: It's so good, Like the little eggs are matching your dress,
Speaker 3: it's like all the curtain, it's like all it.
Speaker 4: Was, it was, it was so divine.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are proud of you and all the work
Speaker 2: that you have done, not just for this city, but
Speaker 2: the impact that you're making worldwide. I'm very proud of
Speaker 2: you and inspired as well. Yes, is there anything else
Speaker 2: that our audience can do to support you?
Speaker 1: Where can we follow you?
Speaker 3: Letts please, guys, I'm Jasmine Crow on everything Instagram threads.
Speaker 1: I'm really I heard your threads.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and then my company Gooder is Good or
Speaker 3: co on everything and we would just love for you
Speaker 3: guys to support us. If you're ever in Atlanta. We
Speaker 3: have a deli, a grocery store on Edgewood near the
Speaker 3: historic King Center, and we just want to feed people.
Speaker 3: We want to feed you and we want to be
Speaker 3: able to like go to other cities n team markets now,
Speaker 3: but we should be everywhere. There's nowhere they're good or
Speaker 3: shouldn't be like we're trying to feed people and feed
Speaker 3: people good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's love where it came from, Jasmine. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Yes, so I
Speaker 1: can't wait. I'm glad you got the book right on times.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Thank you guys, Thank you, Jasmine.
Speaker 2: Thank you for reminding us that purpose isn't just about
Speaker 2: having a great idea. It's about having the courage to
Speaker 2: keep saying yes even when the assignment gets Heavy. Congratulations
Speaker 2: on your new book, Feeding Hope, and thank you for
Speaker 2: continuing to serve communities with both compassion and action, and
Speaker 2: thank you for listening.
Speaker 1: If this conversation encouraged you, please.
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Speaker 1: Keep positive.
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