1
00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:01,960
Speaker 1: CAMF I am six forty.

2
00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,240
Speaker 2: You're listening to the John and Ken Show on demand

3
00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:11,400
Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app. Ken is Way and we're on

4
00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,000
Speaker 2: the radio one till four after four o'clock the Johnny

5
00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:19,360
Speaker 2: Kent on demand podcast on the iHeart app. And late

6
00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:28,840
Speaker 2: yesterday afternoon early evening, the grand jury voted and they

7
00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:34,800
Speaker 2: issued an indictment against Donald Trump and eighteen of his associates.

8
00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,680
Speaker 2: It's one hundred page indictment. There's dozens of acts committed

9
00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,480
Speaker 2: by Trump to try to undo the election. And we're

10
00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,280
Speaker 2: going to talk now to Royal Oaks, ABC News analyst

11
00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,720
Speaker 2: to see what all this is about.

12
00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:51,559
Speaker 1: Royal, how are you?

13
00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,440
Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Yeah, it was kind of a late

14
00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,360
Speaker 3: night for people in Atlanta at thirty hours ahead of us.

15
00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,640
Speaker 3: And I've seen judges that for already here in California

16
00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,840
Speaker 3: just shut down. The court, doesn't matter what's going on.

17
00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,400
Speaker 3: You know, over time, you know, the bailiffs have to

18
00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,160
Speaker 3: go home. They were there till practically midnight, So it

19
00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,600
Speaker 3: was it was a wild evening in Atlanta.

20
00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,679
Speaker 2: So it's really hard to sort out all the charges

21
00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,440
Speaker 2: of all the defendants since there's nineteen of them. But

22
00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,840
Speaker 2: I guess the headline is it's a racketeering case. It's conspiracy.

23
00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,760
Speaker 2: It's people cooperating with each other to commit a wide

24
00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,520
Speaker 2: range of crimes in the service of one goal, that's

25
00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:31,520
Speaker 2: to overturn the election.

26
00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's a problem for the prosecution actually,

27
00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,040
Speaker 3: because you know, when people hear rico and racketeering, they

28
00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,240
Speaker 3: think John Gottie, they think the mafia, they think organized crime.

29
00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,360
Speaker 3: And no matter what you think of Donald Trump, nobody

30
00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,960
Speaker 3: thinks he's John Gotti. Well a few people do, maybe,

31
00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,440
Speaker 3: But so I think the prosecution it could be a

32
00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,040
Speaker 3: hard sell to convince the jury when the trial rolls around.

33
00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,000
Speaker 3: She wants it to happen in six months. Good luck

34
00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,200
Speaker 3: on that, to try to convince him this is a

35
00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,280
Speaker 3: racketeering deal. You know, Georgia has a different kind of racketeering,

36
00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,760
Speaker 3: a Rico statute from the federal and it's basically just

37
00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,720
Speaker 3: if two of you get together and commit two crimes

38
00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,560
Speaker 3: and you know you're doing a bad thing, then you're

39
00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,520
Speaker 3: a racketeer. Well, you know the categories, you know the

40
00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,320
Speaker 3: buckets all these charges fall into. They had nothing to

41
00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,520
Speaker 3: do with racketeering, like you know, the perfect phone calls

42
00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,720
Speaker 3: to the Raffensburger. That's one thing, the plot to send

43
00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,080
Speaker 3: the fake Georgia electors to Washington, misstating facts to the

44
00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,160
Speaker 3: state legislature. Rudy Giuliani got up and allegedly told a

45
00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,960
Speaker 3: bunch of lies, the scheme to intimidate this poor election worker,

46
00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,160
Speaker 3: Ruby Freeman, and then finally looking at a data machine,

47
00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,519
Speaker 3: a voting machine that you didn't have access to. That's

48
00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,720
Speaker 3: the case. It has nothing to do with racketeering or

49
00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,480
Speaker 3: organized crime. But you know this prosecutor she said something

50
00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,640
Speaker 3: weird last night, John. She said, in answer to a question,

51
00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,679
Speaker 3: what are you going to try all nineteen people at once? Yes, well, no,

52
00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,919
Speaker 3: absolutely not. It would take years and years to put

53
00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,120
Speaker 3: together a criminal case for nineteen people. You've got a

54
00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,960
Speaker 3: jillion lawyers, everybody wants to can and so oh yeah,

55
00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,440
Speaker 3: my daughter's graduating from Northwestern. It's not going to happen.

56
00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,600
Speaker 3: So I think she just blurted it out. What she

57
00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,280
Speaker 3: did was charge nineteen people because now she's got eighteen flippers.

58
00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,560
Speaker 3: She just goes to each one of them, and maybe

59
00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,440
Speaker 3: she won't get very far with Rudy, I don't know,

60
00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,040
Speaker 3: but there are seventeen others and she's going to say, Look,

61
00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,680
Speaker 3: do you want to spend the rest of your life

62
00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,240
Speaker 3: in prison or do you want to tell me about

63
00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,400
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's state of mind? He really knew he was cheating,

64
00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,880
Speaker 3: and he didn't sincerely believe he could do all this stuff, right?

65
00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,680
Speaker 3: Isn't that the case? And two or three of them

66
00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,639
Speaker 3: will flip and that could make the difference.

67
00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,960
Speaker 2: So it's a game that she's playing to get some

68
00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,280
Speaker 2: of these people to flip.

69
00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm not saying she's dishonest, but that all

70
00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,520
Speaker 3: prosecutors do that, But it's kind of blatant that she's

71
00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:45,840
Speaker 3: doing it.

72
00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And are there clear crimes here because we talked

73
00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,960
Speaker 2: about some of the other indictments where, oh, like the

74
00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:00,360
Speaker 2: one in Washington, whether expressing your displeasure or with the

75
00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:05,360
Speaker 2: verdict and wanting to do something to, you know, come

76
00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,560
Speaker 2: up with a slate of electors because you truly believe

77
00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,040
Speaker 2: that that you won that state?

78
00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,280
Speaker 1: Is that actually a crime? May be delusional?

79
00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,720
Speaker 2: But is it a crime unless you could prove what's

80
00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,039
Speaker 2: inside Trump's mind? Which is very difficult to do? Do

81
00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:19,880
Speaker 2: we have that situation here as well?

82
00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,279
Speaker 3: I think it could be a challenge. For example, the

83
00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,520
Speaker 3: so called perfect call Draftsford, who we've all heard the video. Well,

84
00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,600
Speaker 3: you know Trump's analysis is going to be hey, ladies

85
00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,239
Speaker 3: and gentlemen, the jury. I was told there was rampant

86
00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,359
Speaker 3: fraud in Georgia. I get on the phone with the

87
00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,919
Speaker 3: officials and I say, oh, I need is twelve thousand votes. Guys,

88
00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,120
Speaker 3: I'm told there's horrible fraud. You investigate, find me the votes. Well,

89
00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,360
Speaker 3: he could have an innocent state of mind doing that.

90
00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,960
Speaker 3: Now if they're witnesses who come forward and say, oh no,

91
00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,880
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, he knew it was a krock. He knew

92
00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,120
Speaker 3: he was lying. That's bad for you. But that's not

93
00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,800
Speaker 3: an open and shut deal. Same thing with misstatements to

94
00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,600
Speaker 3: the legislator. Rudy Giuliani gets up in lies to the legislature.

95
00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,320
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to put Donald Trump in

96
00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,159
Speaker 3: prison for that. I think the vulnerabilities go instead is

97
00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,200
Speaker 3: the fake electors. You know, in the electoral College, you know,

98
00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,440
Speaker 3: they picked the president, not those of us who vote.

99
00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,880
Speaker 3: And every single state has you know, fifteen or twenty

100
00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,000
Speaker 3: or forty loyal Republicans will be the slate of electors.

101
00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,719
Speaker 3: If the Republicans win South Dakota and the Democrats have

102
00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,120
Speaker 3: their slate and if the Democrats lose, then they go home.

103
00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,760
Speaker 3: So allegedly Trump knew that it was a lie for

104
00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,480
Speaker 3: these people to say I am the legitimate elector from

105
00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,279
Speaker 3: George Or of Michigan and Pennsylvania and Donald Trump won.

106
00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,520
Speaker 3: He didn't win. For them. To Sandra Pendallary, perjury that

107
00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,560
Speaker 3: he did is a lie, and he allegedly was right

108
00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,040
Speaker 3: in the middle of that. So I think that's probably

109
00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,240
Speaker 3: the strongest part of the case against him. But you know,

110
00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,000
Speaker 3: his lawyers are going to be giving their side of

111
00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,719
Speaker 3: the story. He's going to be saying, you know, Rudy

112
00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,359
Speaker 3: was telling me this, that and the other. You know,

113
00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,200
Speaker 3: it's weird. I was thinking, John, they had these lists

114
00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,760
Speaker 3: of the most dangerous occupations on the planet, like lumberjacks

115
00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,479
Speaker 3: and coal miners. I think Donald Trump lawyer is the

116
00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,440
Speaker 3: most dangerous job on the planet. First, you don't get paid, fired,

117
00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,440
Speaker 3: you get called crazy, then you get charged for the crime.

118
00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,200
Speaker 3: So I think this is more dangerous than being a lumberjack.

119
00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,360
Speaker 2: I wondered at I looked at this list of nineteen people,

120
00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,599
Speaker 2: and I thought, do these people regret getting involved in

121
00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,000
Speaker 2: this mess?

122
00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,359
Speaker 3: They would have to be such true believers not to

123
00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,120
Speaker 3: regret it. Their lives have been turned upside down. They're

124
00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,720
Speaker 3: basically going to be broke, They're going to be dragged

125
00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,920
Speaker 3: through court for years. They're probably going to be incarcerated.

126
00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,440
Speaker 3: You know. I mean, look at the Washington DC deal.

127
00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,720
Speaker 3: The jury pool they voted ninety two percent for Biden,

128
00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,000
Speaker 3: five percent for Trump. How do you think that jury

129
00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,560
Speaker 3: pool is going to handle the January sixth deal? And

130
00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,719
Speaker 3: similarly in Atlanta, I mean, all these lawyers, John Easton,

131
00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,480
Speaker 3: Sydney Powell. I mean, I know you got John eastman On. Yeah,

132
00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,600
Speaker 3: he's not backing down. He's saying absolutely, I stand by

133
00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,600
Speaker 3: my advice to Donald Trump. Yeah.

134
00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,560
Speaker 2: I just I'm just fascinated by that because I'm that

135
00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,040
Speaker 2: these people wouldn't turn around and walk away and say, look,

136
00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,560
Speaker 2: you think you won, good luck with that, But I'm

137
00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,520
Speaker 2: not going to start making phone call and I'm not

138
00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,640
Speaker 2: going to start getting involved in something that could lead

139
00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,360
Speaker 2: to my imprisonment. I guess they didn't realize that that's

140
00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:08,120
Speaker 2: where this could go.

141
00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they should have now. It gives you as

142
00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,760
Speaker 3: an example. Up in Michigan, they have charged I think

143
00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,560
Speaker 3: it's sixteen of the fake electors to the Republicans. They're

144
00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,640
Speaker 3: looking at fourteen years behind bars because they signed saying

145
00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:26,320
Speaker 3: under penalty or brigery, I am legitimate guy, I am

146
00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,720
Speaker 3: the elector for Donald Trump, when in fact, a bunch

147
00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,080
Speaker 3: of the other states they were smart enough for the

148
00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,800
Speaker 3: fake electors. They're smart enough to say I am the guy.

149
00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,920
Speaker 3: Assuming Donald Trump wins in court. I really hope he will.

150
00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,680
Speaker 3: Here's my name, but not in Michigan and apparently not

151
00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,280
Speaker 3: in Georgia. So yeah, there's real legal liability there. I mean,

152
00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,120
Speaker 3: I can't believe all the charges. You know, they say

153
00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,160
Speaker 3: success as a thousand fathers and failure as an orphan. Well,

154
00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:55,040
Speaker 3: according to Fanny Willis, they're nineteen of fathers of this

155
00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,760
Speaker 3: of this failure. And at this point, you know, she

156
00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,160
Speaker 3: claims she wants to try them all at once. Not

157
00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,680
Speaker 3: going to happen. That would take years. I think what

158
00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,240
Speaker 3: she's going to do is start talking squeezing and then

159
00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,720
Speaker 3: bust it up into just Trump alone and Rudy and

160
00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,640
Speaker 3: Sydney Powell here, because if you have Trump as well

161
00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,080
Speaker 3: as a bunch of other defendants, the jury might say, well,

162
00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,120
Speaker 3: I'm not sure about Trump, I'm going to vote to

163
00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,480
Speaker 3: convict these other co defendants. That's not good for the

164
00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,480
Speaker 3: DA's resume, right, And now how.

165
00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,760
Speaker 2: Are they going to sort out there's four trials going on.

166
00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,720
Speaker 2: There's actually a fifth involving that writer in New York,

167
00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,120
Speaker 2: Egene Carroll. She's got a defamation shoot against Trump. How

168
00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,160
Speaker 2: do they sort the scheduling out here? Because he can't

169
00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,120
Speaker 2: have two of these going on at the same time,

170
00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,160
Speaker 2: like the judges. Do judges have a conference call on this?

171
00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,520
Speaker 3: And yeah, they actually can talk to each other. And

172
00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,120
Speaker 3: even though Donald Trump flies private, he still can't scoot

173
00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,360
Speaker 3: from one criminal trial to another. For example, we got

174
00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,840
Speaker 3: Stormy Daniels going in March, and then you've got the

175
00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,400
Speaker 3: mar A Lago confidential documents in May. The speculation is

176
00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,960
Speaker 3: that the January sixth deal Jacksmith filed the other week,

177
00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,400
Speaker 3: that's going to be probably in August. And now Fanny

178
00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,200
Speaker 3: Willis last night says, oh, I want to trial in

179
00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,600
Speaker 3: six bus. Well, good luck. You're like at the airport

180
00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,439
Speaker 3: and you're lined up on the tarmac. Everybody else is

181
00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,280
Speaker 3: ahead of you. She's not going to be able to

182
00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,400
Speaker 3: go first. Sometimes the court officials will talk to each other.

183
00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,079
Speaker 3: More often though, it's the lawyers who say, oh, y'renor

184
00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,120
Speaker 3: you want to trial on Halloween. I'm sorry, I can't

185
00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,600
Speaker 3: do that because I'm being convicted down in Puerto Rico

186
00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,319
Speaker 3: for something else, and you just adjust. Bottom line is

187
00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,720
Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff is going to be pushed

188
00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,640
Speaker 3: off into twenty twenty five, which of course is good

189
00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,720
Speaker 3: news maybe for Trump if he wins, if it's a

190
00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,240
Speaker 3: federal charge, he can pardon himself. At least. We think

191
00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,320
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court has never weighed in on that, but

192
00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,160
Speaker 3: probably most scholars say the Supreme Court would grudgingly say, Okay,

193
00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,800
Speaker 3: it's not excluded in the Constitution, so we'll let Donald

194
00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:44,920
Speaker 3: Trump pardon himself.

195
00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,400
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks for coming on Royal Do you bet?

196
00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,160
Speaker 2: Royal Oaks, ABC News on all the Trump charges. John

197
00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,439
Speaker 2: and Ken's show, Ken's Away.

198
00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,720
Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

199
00:09:58,960 --> 00:09:59,640
Speaker 4: AM six.

200
00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,080
Speaker 1: Forty after two thirty.

201
00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but in Oregon

202
00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,480
Speaker 2: they passed a proposition it was called Measure one ten,

203
00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:16,920
Speaker 2: which decriminalized a lot of drugs, a lot of hard drugs.

204
00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:24,640
Speaker 2: And everyone in Oregon now is shocked that there's all

205
00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,800
Speaker 2: these dead bodies in the streets. I like in Portland,

206
00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:33,559
Speaker 2: for example, apparently overdoses have skyrocketed, depths of skyrocketed, and

207
00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,960
Speaker 2: now all these progressives up there are going, Wow, this

208
00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,600
Speaker 2: looks like a really bad idea, doesn't it. And the

209
00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,440
Speaker 2: National Review had a couple of stories on this, and

210
00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,400
Speaker 2: we'll do this after two thirty one by Ryan Mills.

211
00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:52,320
Speaker 2: He went to Oregon and Portland and this is it's

212
00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,080
Speaker 2: it's eye opening, it's jaw dropping, it's going to affect

213
00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,880
Speaker 2: all your your your facial parts there. It's it's you know,

214
00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,800
Speaker 2: it's hard to believe, except one of my sons was

215
00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,719
Speaker 2: in Portland not too long ago, and he said it

216
00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,960
Speaker 2: was most frightening thing you'd ever seen.

217
00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,200
Speaker 1: There really was zombies stumbling all over the street.

218
00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,720
Speaker 2: And he estimated that eight out of ten people on

219
00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,839
Speaker 2: the streets of Portland were whacked out on drugs. So

220
00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,440
Speaker 2: I have a first hand witness. And then I'm going

221
00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,640
Speaker 2: to read here about Ryan Mills and another story in

222
00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:31,480
Speaker 2: the National Review. But first time for some comedy. Do

223
00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,080
Speaker 2: you have the Kevin de Leon pledge of allegiance? Okay,

224
00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,600
Speaker 2: I want to set this up some years ago Kevin

225
00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,120
Speaker 2: de Leon, who is now a disgraced city councilman. I

226
00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,840
Speaker 2: think this was during the lockdowns when the city council

227
00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,400
Speaker 2: meetings were on zoom, and the tradition, of course, is

228
00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,319
Speaker 2: to have one of the councilmen or women stand up

229
00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,960
Speaker 2: and lead the entire crowd in the pledge of allegiance.

230
00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,560
Speaker 2: Kevin de Leon did this, I guess from his kitchen

231
00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,880
Speaker 2: while he was having cereal. Is this a little bleary eyed?

232
00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:04,720
Speaker 1: Anyway?

233
00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,040
Speaker 2: This is Kevin Leon, Kevin te Leon and his pledge

234
00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,560
Speaker 2: of religions. Man in President.

235
00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,640
Speaker 1: Today is Tuesday, in time for the flag salute?

236
00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,160
Speaker 5: Mister, can you please.

237
00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:15,000
Speaker 6: This morning?

238
00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,280
Speaker 5: I think her man in President would be an honor.

239
00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:20,720
Speaker 1: He wasn't lying, okay.

240
00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,480
Speaker 5: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States

241
00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:33,480
Speaker 5: of America, uninvincible. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the

242
00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:41,320
Speaker 5: United States of America. Well, which just stands one Nation

243
00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,200
Speaker 5: under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

244
00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,120
Speaker 1: Alright, he was on zoom. One of the dumbest men

245
00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,200
Speaker 1: in politics. Obviously.

246
00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,920
Speaker 2: However, we have another candidate for worst pledge of allegiance

247
00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,079
Speaker 2: And in la council meeting, would you welcome a newcomer

248
00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,840
Speaker 2: to the city council, uh Emelda Padea.

249
00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,959
Speaker 6: Ready begin pledge allegiance to the Flower of the United

250
00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:16,800
Speaker 6: States of America, which is SADS, One nation under God,

251
00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,040
Speaker 6: indivisible with justice.

252
00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:22,600
Speaker 3: Great, thank you.

253
00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,560
Speaker 1: I think the Leons was worse. Deleons is way worse.

254
00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Deleons is way worse, but neither one of them.

255
00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:43,839
Speaker 2: I mean, we all memorize this in first grade. It's

256
00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,040
Speaker 2: funny as listening to the other people at the meeting

257
00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,480
Speaker 2: who know the Pledge of allegiance, they just continue going

258
00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:54,600
Speaker 2: and and these two freeze up. All right, all right,

259
00:13:54,640 --> 00:14:01,280
Speaker 2: we come back. It's going to be a tour through Portland.

260
00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:07,160
Speaker 2: I got to read to you parts of this. One

261
00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,760
Speaker 2: of the headlines in the National Review is Oregon's brutally

262
00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:15,120
Speaker 2: hard lesson about decriminalizing drugs. I don't think brutalizing really

263
00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:23,040
Speaker 2: captures it. The other headline is Oregonians turn against drug

264
00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:30,480
Speaker 2: decriminalization amid record ods. It's a dystopian nightmare. So the

265
00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,800
Speaker 2: the good progressives in Oregon found out that another one

266
00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:39,160
Speaker 2: of their ideas was simply nuts. And you'd think you

267
00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,680
Speaker 2: would know that as soon as you heard it, that

268
00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,840
Speaker 2: decriminalizing all the hard drugs wasn't going to work out,

269
00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:45,920
Speaker 2: But no, they had to.

270
00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:46,440
Speaker 1: They had to.

271
00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,240
Speaker 2: They ended up killing a lot of people. Is what

272
00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,240
Speaker 2: they did just fascinating because they all had good intentions.

273
00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:57,200
Speaker 2: It's a real do gooder crowd right harm reduction. We'll

274
00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,240
Speaker 2: get into that coming up.

275
00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,280
Speaker 4: You're listening John and Ken on Demand from KFI AM

276
00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:03,880
Speaker 4: six forty.

277
00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,680
Speaker 2: Ken is away and Ron from one until four on

278
00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,040
Speaker 2: the radio. After four o'clock, Johnny Can on Demand is

279
00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,080
Speaker 2: the podcast you can get on the AH Heart app

280
00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,120
Speaker 2: and listen to anything everything that you missed. Three o'clock

281
00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,760
Speaker 2: Steve Gregory and MAUI to talk about that ongoing disaster.

282
00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,880
Speaker 1: Now let's I want to talk about Oregon. Uh one good.

283
00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,600
Speaker 2: I do think little by little, it's becoming clear that

284
00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:38,640
Speaker 2: all these progressive ideas have crashed and burned, and even

285
00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:43,600
Speaker 2: the progressives that we're pushing this nonsense are starting to

286
00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,560
Speaker 2: feel embarrassed and realized they were wrong. They got caught up,

287
00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:53,320
Speaker 2: caught up in cult like thinking. And there's this piece

288
00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,080
Speaker 2: in the National Review by Ryan Mills, and you should

289
00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:03,040
Speaker 2: read the whole thing. It's it's long, but it is

290
00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:09,200
Speaker 2: just shocking. And it starts by quoting a man named

291
00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,760
Speaker 2: Ben West, who's a Clackamus County commissioner it's like we

292
00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,920
Speaker 2: have county supervisors. In California, they have commissioners. And he

293
00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,600
Speaker 2: was at a meeting and he said that Oregon's attempt

294
00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:27,760
Speaker 2: at drug decriminalization has been an unmitigated disaster. People are

295
00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,800
Speaker 2: dying on our streets, and voters have been bamboozled. And

296
00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,320
Speaker 2: I saw that and I thought, yeah, bamboozled is a

297
00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,960
Speaker 2: great word. And it's happened in California. We were bamboozled

298
00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,920
Speaker 2: about Prop forty seven plus, told it was our Safe

299
00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,440
Speaker 2: Neighborhoods and Schools Act, and it turned out to unleash

300
00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,320
Speaker 2: a lot of the crime and homelessness that we're dealing

301
00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,680
Speaker 2: with now, just a terror that everybody feels. The high

302
00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,520
Speaker 2: speed rail we were bamboozled into that as well. That's

303
00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,560
Speaker 2: fifteen years later now and they still haven't built anything

304
00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:05,000
Speaker 2: in the wayted billions of dollars. Here's what he's talking about.

305
00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:10,479
Speaker 2: Oregon passed in twenty twenty Measure one ten sixty percent,

306
00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,920
Speaker 2: almost sixty percent of the Oregon voters passed it, and

307
00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:25,360
Speaker 2: it was decriminalizing most drugs, and it's caused an enormous

308
00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:31,480
Speaker 2: mess of dead people, zombie people, a lot of suffering.

309
00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,680
Speaker 2: And he in Clacamus County, which is in the Portland

310
00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,960
Speaker 2: metropolitan area. Uh, they wanted to do something. They can't

311
00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,119
Speaker 2: do anything because a county can't repeal a state measure,

312
00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,800
Speaker 2: you know. And this one came from the from the public.

313
00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,160
Speaker 2: And so they're they're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna put

314
00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:57,080
Speaker 2: up like a referendum just to get the opinion of

315
00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:03,199
Speaker 2: Clackhamus County voters on the record. It says, over the

316
00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:08,040
Speaker 2: last few years, drug overdose deaths have skyrocketed in the state,

317
00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:13,239
Speaker 2: Squalid homeless camps have proliferated in Portland. This isn't by

318
00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,360
Speaker 2: the way. In the National Review, Ryan Mills wrote this,

319
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:22,080
Speaker 2: and the treatment and recovery options that Oregonians thought they

320
00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:26,680
Speaker 2: were voting for failed to materialize. Now that sounds very

321
00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,600
Speaker 2: much like California because part of the scan they sold

322
00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,760
Speaker 2: to us back in twenty fourteen, and too many people

323
00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:40,840
Speaker 2: fell for it that if we decriminalize shoplifting and decriminalize

324
00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,720
Speaker 2: drug crimes, then there'll be more money available to make

325
00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:51,080
Speaker 2: neighborhoods in school safe. That was the lie. That's what

326
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,840
Speaker 2: led Kamila Harris to make that the main lie of

327
00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,240
Speaker 2: the proposition that was the title of it, and of

328
00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,360
Speaker 2: course nothing was done, no money was spent, and any

329
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,000
Speaker 2: kind of treatment centers nine same thing in Oregon.

330
00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:05,560
Speaker 1: Nothing.

331
00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,960
Speaker 2: Whenever they promised treatment centers, don't fall for it. They're

332
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,600
Speaker 2: not going to build them. This goes back to the

333
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,520
Speaker 2: nineteen sixties. In the nineteen sixties, that's when they closed

334
00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,320
Speaker 2: the mental institutions, and they were supposed to open up

335
00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,480
Speaker 2: regional mental health clinics so that people in a local

336
00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,480
Speaker 2: area could take care of the crazies in their community.

337
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 1: They were never built.

338
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,320
Speaker 2: So when you hear something er Ronald Reagan closed the

339
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,120
Speaker 2: mental institutions. Yeah, he signed the bill, but it had

340
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,159
Speaker 2: huge bipartisan support. Everybody agreed, this is what we're going

341
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,679
Speaker 2: to do. They never built the mental health clinics. And

342
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,600
Speaker 2: we're going back now fifty six years, and you go

343
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,359
Speaker 2: back nine years here in California for Prop. Forty seven.

344
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 2: They never built the treatment centers, they never hired anybody,

345
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 2: they ever spent money. Well, they did it in Oregon

346
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,440
Speaker 2: as well. They criminalized most rugs and now they're finding

347
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 2: dead people on the streets of Portland. Anyway, these progressives

348
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 2: are now admitting that drug decriminalization has not worked. Here's

349
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:18,679
Speaker 2: a woman, Lisa Schroeder, owns a restaurant downtown Portland. I

350
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 2: do think there are a lot of people like me,

351
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 2: left of center who are realizing it was a mistake.

352
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 2: If I could turn back time and repeal Measure one

353
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 2: to ten tomorrow, I would do it. And this is

354
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,919
Speaker 2: what I want to ask these people. So you really

355
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 2: thought decriminalizing drugs was not going to cause a huge

356
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 2: increase in drug taking. This is what happens when you

357
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,639
Speaker 2: decriminalize something, you increase the market for it.

358
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 1: Because what keeps a.

359
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 2: Lot of people from taking the drugs is they don't

360
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,680
Speaker 2: want to break the law. They don't want to get caught.

361
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 2: They don't want to end up in jail and go

362
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 2: through that embarrassment. But if it's now legal or close

363
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 2: to legal, and decriminalizing in this case means if they

364
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 2: found hard drugs on you, you'd get a one hundred

365
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 2: dollars fine and a citation. But if you went to

366
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 2: some kind of treatment center, then they would waive the

367
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars fine, And they didn't enforce that anyway.

368
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 2: The National Review interviewed people. Apparently, most Oregonians, even in

369
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,880
Speaker 2: uber progressive Portland, are coming to a realization. Despite their

370
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 2: good intentions, drug decriminalization had a devastating impact. More than

371
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 2: sixty percent of people now think Measure one to ten

372
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 2: has increased the number of drug overdoses in the state

373
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 2: and has made the homeless crisis worse. So three years

374
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: ago it had sixty percent support. Now it's got more

375
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 2: than sixty percent of people wanting to repeal it. And

376
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 2: the last year, Portland police investigated a record number of

377
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 2: drug overdose deaths. This year they beat that record in

378
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: early August. So last year was an all time twelve

379
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: month record. This year, the twelve month record was beaten

380
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 2: in the seven and a half months. This was supposed

381
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: to be a harm reduction measure in Noma County. It

382
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: got so bad the health department was planning to provide

383
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 2: drug addicts with smoking supplies and get this one, pay attention.

384
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 2: This may upset your stomach. The health department in this

385
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: county was going to supply addicts with educational materials on

386
00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 2: how to ingest drugs anally. Can you imagine a government

387
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: nice face? I didn't hand out the pamphlets you this

388
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 2: This is what they do in Oregon. The the health

389
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: Department officials. I I, you know, I don't know how

390
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: that works. I don't know how it works. I don't

391
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: know exactly which drug you ingest anally and what would

392
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 2: be the procedure. I mean, you can't smoke it. You

393
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: take a.

394
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 7: Pill and you shove it up there. Oh and then

395
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 7: it uh dissolves. I see, yeah, I'm assuming.

396
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,239
Speaker 1: You're just guessing. I'm guessing. Okay, yes, Oh my god, No,

397
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: I haven't done this. Uh one uh.

398
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 2: Ben West, who's the county commissioner, said, the neighborhood I

399
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: grew up in literally changed quickly from a livable, beautiful

400
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: archy city to being a hollow, dystopian nightmare. And the

401
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: measure was supposed to provide adequate access to recovery services,

402
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: peer support, and stable housing, a humane, cost effective health approach.

403
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 2: Heroin and meth, by the way, were decriminalized. You could

404
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 2: be caught with heroin and meth and it would be

405
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars and a fine and it would be

406
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: dismissed if you called a treatment referral hotline. You didn't

407
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: even have to go in for treatment. You just have

408
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: to call a hotline and complete a health assessment and

409
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: then the whole thing's dismissed. And shockingly, this didn't work.

410
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: This caused people to get addicted to meth and heroin

411
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: and then they died in the street. Listen to these statistics.

412
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 2: I got to take a break, But Oregon is number

413
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: one in the country in misuse of prescription opioids like OxyContin.

414
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: Four and a half percent of Oregon citizens are our

415
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: opioid addicts.

416
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: Two percent meth.

417
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: And the number of people the percentage of people that

418
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: have a serious mental illness seven percent. Will you add

419
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: that up, that's over ten percent of the population in

420
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: Oregon that's either racked on drugs, hard drugs or has

421
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: a serious mental disorder. In Portland, the drug overdose deaths

422
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: went from eighty seven to one hundred and thirty five

423
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: to one hundred and fifty nine over three years eighty

424
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 2: seven to one thirty five to one to fifty nine

425
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: this year, one seventy eight in August.

426
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: More coming up, Johnny Kenshug.

427
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from k

428
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 4: I AM six forty.

429
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: Just one more thing about that story. I was reading

430
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 2: the National Review and it's it's certainly worthwhile, and it's

431
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: about how they decriminalized hard drugs in Oregon, and the

432
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: center's on Portland, where there are just hundreds of zombies

433
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: stumbling stumbling around the streets. And early in the story,

434
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: if you remember, I told you about a woman who

435
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: owned a restaurant in downtown Portland, and she was used

436
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: by this National Review writer his name's Lisa Schroeder as

437
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: being your typical progressive who was very proud that they'd

438
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: come up with a progressive way to deal with the

439
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: drug users and allow them to use their their meth

440
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: and heroin and it's not decriminalized, but if you're caught,

441
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: you'd only get one hundred dollars fine in a citation,

442
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 2: and to get that removed from the record, you just

443
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: had to make a phone call to a hotline and

444
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: do a health assessment. And I guess they would ask

445
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: you are you are you naked laid out face down

446
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: on the sidewalk, and you'd say, no, well, okay, I

447
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: guess the metho heroine really isn't harming you. Well, they

448
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: go back to her later in the story, because you know,

449
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 2: organ is so overwhelmingly progressive, especially in Portland, that if

450
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: those people don't realize that their policies are stupid. Then

451
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: the whole state is cooked. See, normal people are being

452
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: held hostage by this progressive mania as we are here

453
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles.

454
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: So I back to Lisa Schroeder. She realized that this.

455
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: Is causing damage, and we have to repeal Measure one

456
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: ten right and the decriminalization experiment. But she said, when

457
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 2: she started looking into repealing the law, she realized that

458
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: many of the people who agreed with her were Republicans. Oh, no, Republicans,

459
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: and this disoriented her. Her quote is, so.

460
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: I then stopped.

461
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: So she sees that decriminalizing drugs has led to a

462
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: massive increase in deaths and overdoses, and an increase in

463
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: people laid out on the street suffering. I mean, she's

464
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: got a downtown restaurant, which in turn has exacerbated the

465
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: homeless situation, which has greatly reduced the number of people

466
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: who come into her restaurant, which then threatens her livelihood. Right,

467
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: and all this can be traced back to the tolerance

468
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: of drugs, which she was all for. And then she said, Wow,

469
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: this isn't working. Downtown is overrun. There's dead people in

470
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: front of my restaurant. Nobody wants to come here anymore.

471
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: I think I shouldn't try to help repeal this law. Wait,

472
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: that's what Republicans want to do.

473
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: We were talking about this yesterday.

474
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: Could you just stop with worrying about what party is pushing.

475
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: Either something works or it doesn't. This doesn't work. It

476
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what your political party is.

477
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: It either.

478
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. I mean, could

479
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: this be the like one of the stupidest ideas ever?

480
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: If you end up with hundreds of dead people, maybe

481
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: it was a bad idea. But now she's willing to

482
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: put in the work to try to repeal the measure,

483
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 2: and you know that she wants to get left of

484
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: center and progressive Oregon residents to join the cause. There's

485
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: ways of going across the island working together. Yeah, you know,

486
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: sometimes it's just a good eye idea on its own merit.

487
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that trying to keep people from dying

488
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: of meth and heroin overdoses would be considered a controversial

489
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: political issue. I just baffled by that thinking. But that's

490
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: the state we're in. It's amazing how narrow people are,

491
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: and they're thinking it's just ridiculous. Everybody wants to take

492
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: a humane approach to this. But the question is what's

493
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: the best strategy. Well, the best strategy is not to

494
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: legalize this in any way because it always becomes a

495
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: bigger market.

496
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: How could it not? I saw a thing today. It

497
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: was in the Daily Mail.

498
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: They have done a study in the US and two

499
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: thirds of adults have a family member hooked on drugs

500
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: or alcohol.

501
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: Does that seem possible?

502
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: Thirds of everybody and one in ten have lost somebody

503
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: to an overdose. Well, if that's true, I mean that

504
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: that then' you know, it explains a lot.

505
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: I mean, how could you have it? How could you

506
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 1: have it?

507
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: Drug overdoses in two thirds of the families, or have

508
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: an addiction in two thirds of the families.

509
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: I should say, all.

510
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: Right, more coming up three o'clock means Steve Gregory and

511
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: Steve is still and MAUI and the death toll is

512
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: going up. And now all the officials are doing the

513
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: great bureaucratic dance, trying to downplay their role and uh

514
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: allowing the massive amount of a tragedy that happened. I mean,

515
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: it's just they're well, Steve went through the list of

516
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: things that the government did wrong yesterday, and now they

517
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: have to publicly explain themselves. So he'll be on with

518
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: us next on The Johnny Ken Show and Debra Mark

519
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: Live in the twenty four hour CAFI Newsroom.

520
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: Hey, you've been listening to The john and Ken Show.

521
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: You can always hear us live on KFI AM six

522
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday,

523
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app