Speaker 1: This life was all I ever wanted. I'm not leaving,
Speaker 1: not yet. I was hoping you can say that you
Speaker 1: gotta hit the streets, make some money, maybe like us,
Speaker 1: let's destroyed, maybe like Captain by all up, get showtime
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Speaker 1: Let's sto all stow just getting started, baby, just getting started. Man,
Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special COVID nineteen satellite edition of
Speaker 1: All the Smoke When my brother stat five. Good to
Speaker 1: see my brother was happening. Good to be seen. And man,
Speaker 1: we gotta special guests. Man, this is an honor. Uh Man.
Speaker 1: We grew up blizing this guy, one of them, the
Speaker 1: greatest to ever do it, one of the most dangerous
Speaker 1: men in the world ever to touch a football. Um
Speaker 1: Dion Sanders, Man, thank you for your time, Thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us. Man. Please, it's so funny. Man, I
Speaker 1: just feel like I know y'all. You know how you
Speaker 1: just some brothers out there. You never really got down
Speaker 1: with them, but you know him know your old type
Speaker 1: of brothers man that you do like I would have
Speaker 1: been right on in there with y'all. I might not
Speaker 1: have done everything y'all did right there with yall, man,
Speaker 1: I love for y'all jokers, man, and we appreciate same
Speaker 1: same crop. Yeah, same thing, thank you. I mean we're
Speaker 1: in a we're in a time that we've never seen before.
Speaker 1: You know, we're in this this pandemic right now. How
Speaker 1: are you in the family holding it down? Being in
Speaker 1: the house a long thing? Boys all day every day. See,
Speaker 1: I got a city squag, but really, man, I'm a
Speaker 1: country boy, so I'm not here on you know acreage,
Speaker 1: hundreds of acres, man. I got the late right here,
Speaker 1: the gym back here, you know, the basketball court. I
Speaker 1: can't even get up right now because my sons was
Speaker 1: whooping all of them, and we had some of the
Speaker 1: other fellas over and you know, you can only talk
Speaker 1: jumping to me for so long, you know. And then
Speaker 1: I got to get out there and try to put
Speaker 1: it down my back and went out halfway through the
Speaker 1: first game, and I couldn't quit. So I couldn't quit.
Speaker 1: I had to fight it out then, I want to.
Speaker 1: I ain't got up since last frid. I've been in
Speaker 1: the bed since then. It ain't been able to work out.
Speaker 1: A man, younger Song's gonna walk in my room too
Speaker 1: to night talking about you know what, Dad, I lost
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for you. I blocked your shot.
Speaker 1: I blocked your shot twice. You ain't give me nothing's
Speaker 1: like man, go with that boy dropped around. So I've
Speaker 1: heard right now, I've heard right now. Yeah. But I
Speaker 1: love it man, because I'm I'm you know, just like
Speaker 1: you guys. This is one thing I married about amongst
Speaker 1: many things that I married about. You guys. You guys
Speaker 1: are fathers first man, and I love it so just
Speaker 1: having my son's around it. But kids, man, I love
Speaker 1: this time. I'm not happy but what it's done to
Speaker 1: our country, But I love this time absolutely. Uh speaking
Speaker 1: of father's Uh, like myself, you coach your son and
Speaker 1: to me, I mean to me, you know, being able
Speaker 1: to play fifteen years in professional sports, I still never
Speaker 1: got the feeling that I got seeing my my son's
Speaker 1: excel and be happy and love what they're doing in sports.
Speaker 1: Coaching them gave me a special appreciation. And the feeling
Speaker 1: is that similar with you and here, before you start dealing,
Speaker 1: I want to get you all credit too, because like
Speaker 1: with me, I have two boys too, and my boy,
Speaker 1: my my younger son, want me to be more of
Speaker 1: his homeboy. He don't want me to be more of
Speaker 1: a teacher, Solf. So I gotta I gotta give you
Speaker 1: props to having that you ain't, Matt, but to having
Speaker 1: that relationship with your sons put them to able to
Speaker 1: be able to take advice and be coached by y'all.
Speaker 1: My brother, my son just want me to be his homeboy.
Speaker 1: You don't want me to tell him nothing about basketball.
Speaker 1: You know what those stings you probably you probably like
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson or j j Evins when it comes to you.
Speaker 1: Probably that you know, that's probably why. And I know
Speaker 1: Matt got a little bit of that in and see
Speaker 1: I'm gonna little bit of ball. Yeah, I go hard
Speaker 1: on him. I go hard. We were just telling stories
Speaker 1: on the thing. I'm not laughing to you all. And
Speaker 1: this is a basketball story. I was coaching my kids
Speaker 1: in basketball and you're doing My youngest boy. I was
Speaker 1: so mad. I think he was by seven eight years old.
Speaker 1: He played like garbage, so bad. I saw this joke
Speaker 1: in the backseat of the car. Man, I'm driving home,
Speaker 1: this joke of schlid in the middle, not on the side.
Speaker 1: I'm looking through the riverview, I said, man, take off
Speaker 1: the during uniball, you don't do that. I made a
Speaker 1: ride home with some drolls. I go because I go
Speaker 1: hard like that. Now I've grown and matured the little
Speaker 1: more so football wise, I'm a little more calm. And
Speaker 1: I coach offense because all my life I was a
Speaker 1: deep as the back, so I studied offense, and so
Speaker 1: my mind intellectually is an offensive mine. So I coached
Speaker 1: him on offense, and now I can mess with Shallow
Speaker 1: a little bit on defense. But Shallow shallows that one
Speaker 1: kid that's gonna always have you on your knees. Man,
Speaker 1: we all had that one man. Shallows that one man.
Speaker 1: Talk to us a little bit about how did you
Speaker 1: you told us you won what three state state championships
Speaker 1: in the row, and uh that they had moved y'all
Speaker 1: from the lady seat, kickings out the whole league. Try
Speaker 1: try to say they weren't going to accept our application.
Speaker 1: I don't don't accept someone's application to be in the league.
Speaker 1: So that's a sleep way of saying, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: let this brother. We're full straight state titles with his kids,
Speaker 1: you know, and we constantly putting kids into college and
Speaker 1: getting them to the next level. So now we're independent
Speaker 1: and we got to travel all over the country to play.
Speaker 1: But I love it. Man. I'm gonna coach college football
Speaker 1: probably next year. I don't know, yeah, probably next year.
Speaker 1: Getting ahead of myself because I don't want none of
Speaker 1: my kids on our team, the Panic and they parish
Speaker 1: the Panic coach Prime still gonna be there, y'all know,
Speaker 1: y'all watching all the I'm gonna be there next year,
Speaker 1: ye special, Yeah, coaching your kids. Last, talk to us
Speaker 1: a little man. I love it, man. Talk to us
Speaker 1: a little bit about the current climate um of the
Speaker 1: NFL and and your particular thoughts on Tom Brady, Uh
Speaker 1: going to Tampa Bay. He's one of those guys you
Speaker 1: think that you know, he's in that uniform for life,
Speaker 1: and that's just what it is, and it didn't end
Speaker 1: up that way. Well, the thing about it, we we
Speaker 1: all have been journeyman, all three of us, and we
Speaker 1: we understand that sometimes it's just time to go. And
Speaker 1: as bad as we wanted to see him in up
Speaker 1: with New England, it was just that time. You can't vote,
Speaker 1: they'll check, you can't fault craft, you can't fault Tom.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just just that time. And Tom and I
Speaker 1: know him personally, man, and he keeps in contact with
Speaker 1: a short because it's a quarterback. But Tom is a
Speaker 1: great guy, and I think it's this time in life
Speaker 1: where he wants to do the challenge. We men thrive
Speaker 1: on challenges. Man. You put a challenge in front of
Speaker 1: a dog and he's gonna hunt. And John needs a challenge.
Speaker 1: And going to Tampa Bay taking them from one of
Speaker 1: the doormats of our game to to be those dogs
Speaker 1: that he assumes that he's gonna make them come about.
Speaker 1: I love it, and it just energetics came. You got
Speaker 1: four really good quarterbacks, man, and that uh, that NFC
Speaker 1: south Man. And I can't out wait to see what
Speaker 1: he does because I wouldn't better get Tom Brady on anything.
Speaker 1: I'd never better get tough bread. I wouldn't better get something.
Speaker 1: I kind of look at it like this, Dion. I
Speaker 1: kind of like this Prime. He doing the same kind
Speaker 1: of same thing Lebron did. Like Lebron is so great,
Speaker 1: he had to challenge himself. I'm gonna go back to Cleveland.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tryna try to be one of Cleveland. Then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to l and trying to get l
Speaker 1: a back like when you're that good and I know
Speaker 1: you know, because you one of the greats, you gotta
Speaker 1: find different ways to challenge yourself. You you do, and
Speaker 1: you playing against yourself, You're playing against your own ghosts.
Speaker 1: He ain't playing against nobody else in the league of
Speaker 1: no quarterbacks to formally playing the game. He's man against himself. Kid.
Speaker 1: I taught what I do because the expectations for Tom
Speaker 1: Brady and when he touches the field, it elevates everything, man,
Speaker 1: and I love and I'm biased. I think we have
Speaker 1: the best professional game that is. I know y'all the NBA,
Speaker 1: but I feel like we got the best game. And
Speaker 1: in this climate, I love what's going on right now,
Speaker 1: especially with everything being down right now because of this virus.
Speaker 1: The all of the trades, all of the free agency
Speaker 1: is keeping us the lie because we were have thoseparts. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just glad this ain't happened, man in football season, boyd,
Speaker 1: I don't want to happen period. But I'm so happy
Speaker 1: this is this bull drunk ain't going down because I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the time right now, this is you know,
Speaker 1: you get March Madness is coming to a championship. Point
Speaker 1: right now. Uh, you're revving up for the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 1: Baseball is getting going. Like to know that, like we
Speaker 1: don't have nothing, no kind of sports to turn the watch.
Speaker 1: Is crazy, It's crazy. Oh I'll tell you what. I
Speaker 1: cannot wait to us over because I want to see
Speaker 1: the divorce rate. I want to pregnancy. I want to
Speaker 1: see the craft statistics. All the csitions are going through
Speaker 1: the rules. I guarantee you see a lot of these parents.
Speaker 1: Now you see how bad little man man is. Now
Speaker 1: you've been tripping dot call that teacher back. Now you're
Speaker 1: getting a chance to deal with little man man. Shout
Speaker 1: out to the teachers. Man, we're just talking about that. Man.
Speaker 1: These these parents are going crazy now with these are
Speaker 1: bad kids. Man, exciting. Let me tell you something. You
Speaker 1: spent that real online the other day. You you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, So, man,
Speaker 1: don't please don't let them stop you from putting your
Speaker 1: foot on the gas and and dispensing the truth. Man,
Speaker 1: because a lot of brothers see, we know because we've
Speaker 1: been there, matt Us, and we go through it many
Speaker 1: we have been there. We've been there. Um, I know
Speaker 1: I want to pivot a little bit. I know you,
Speaker 1: he's you mentor him so to speak, Uh, Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: and kind of give him a little guidance and experience
Speaker 1: and tell me what that relationship is like and where
Speaker 1: you think he is and if you feel like he
Speaker 1: has a possibly another chance to play. He's like the
Speaker 1: prodigal son to me, Man, that's that's my son. That
Speaker 1: that I love him to life. And uh, I feel like, uh,
Speaker 1: he's gonna play again at some point. I think he
Speaker 1: had to to to go up that hill and look
Speaker 1: and see that. Uh you didn't get up there about yourself.
Speaker 1: He had to be humble little bit and and he is.
Speaker 1: And now he's getting back you, back to the family,
Speaker 1: back to the kids, back to the work, it back
Speaker 1: to everything that got you where um you once were.
Speaker 1: And he's focused. Man, he's refocused. I just spoke to him,
Speaker 1: I think a couple of days ago, and he just
Speaker 1: wants another opportunity to get into game. It ain't about
Speaker 1: no money, ain't about the fame, ain't about the fortune. See,
Speaker 1: this man truly loves the game. And I hope to
Speaker 1: God that he gets another opportunity to play. I foresee
Speaker 1: him getting enough opportunity to play because I know he
Speaker 1: got some legalities he gotta deal with, But once he
Speaker 1: gets past that, I can't wait to see him. I
Speaker 1: love un the dog story, man, I do do all
Speaker 1: of us. Man, We've all taken a left. Man. Ain't
Speaker 1: nobody watching this broadcast, on this broadcast on stage right.
Speaker 1: We all have took a left somewhere in life. Man,
Speaker 1: So we just gotta get back right. And I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna get back right. When it comes to talent.
Speaker 1: I can't go ahead. I can't. I can't relate. I can't.
Speaker 1: I really, I tell people this all the time. It's
Speaker 1: hard for me to even compensate or relate to somebody
Speaker 1: who ain't never been through nothing, because I know, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the things that I've been
Speaker 1: through before I even got to the NBA made me
Speaker 1: and gave me the strength and the knowledge to be
Speaker 1: able to make it through the ups and downs at
Speaker 1: the NBA, not being drafted, not really giving a fad
Speaker 1: chance in front, then going through my two incidents off
Speaker 1: the court. So I totally can relate eight to everything
Speaker 1: he's going through because we are not perfect and as athletes,
Speaker 1: especially as great as as as a B is, people
Speaker 1: expect you to go through everything perfect, you know what,
Speaker 1: They expect you to be perfect. So I salute a
Speaker 1: B on living his living his trial and tribulations on
Speaker 1: the internet for everybody to see, but also bouncing back
Speaker 1: for him it and taking responsibility everything he'd been through.
Speaker 1: Our salute him. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I just want him
Speaker 1: to get another opportunity to finish strong man. I think
Speaker 1: we all deserves. To put a period in exclamation mark,
Speaker 1: we all deserve. And I think I think you touched
Speaker 1: on it. I think it's a situation where we're the
Speaker 1: one percent, you know, and now more than ever, our
Speaker 1: lives are a fishbowl. So guys have probably gone through similar,
Speaker 1: you know, situations along their career, but it just wasn't
Speaker 1: for the world to see. You Granted, he put most
Speaker 1: of it out there, but so at the same time,
Speaker 1: so I think, like you said, I think he's humbled itself.
Speaker 1: He kind of realized how much he loves football. And
Speaker 1: when we talk about talent, you can't argue with talented
Speaker 1: receiver in the game, you know what I mean, the game.
Speaker 1: We hope they he does get another chance, and I'd
Speaker 1: love to see that. He's doing right by the family
Speaker 1: and kids, because like we said, we're all fathers here
Speaker 1: and and that's what's first and foremost. You gotta be right,
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're outside life. I mean, obviously we
Speaker 1: deal with a lot of distractions, but for you to
Speaker 1: be the best year, your outside life has to be
Speaker 1: tight and secure down and you you'll be able to
Speaker 1: see that in your performance in your life as a whole.
Speaker 1: So we definitely hope that he can find his footing
Speaker 1: and get through the legal trouble, you know, not to
Speaker 1: make any excuse for him. Hopefully you can do that
Speaker 1: legal trouble the right way and like you said, get
Speaker 1: a chance to go out because he has all time
Speaker 1: great type talent. Hey man, I've never made a public
Speaker 1: success with that private struggles. I've never seen at all.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to touch on this too because, like
Speaker 1: what they are just talking about when I was about
Speaker 1: the video, I made it the day a lot of
Speaker 1: time as black men, to what people do understand, we
Speaker 1: get to this success and a lot of us grow
Speaker 1: up without a father in the household, so a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff as far as raising raising kids, dealing with
Speaker 1: the money, dealing with the success. We have to learn
Speaker 1: this ship on our own, and you have to learn
Speaker 1: from experience. You have to learn about sucking up. So
Speaker 1: just because we made it, just because we make it
Speaker 1: and make all this money, you see all these houses
Speaker 1: and stuff. We've been through a lot and we had
Speaker 1: a lot of fucking up. We made a lot of
Speaker 1: mistakes to get to where we have. So people don't understand,
Speaker 1: especially not having a father, you got to learn a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff as you go through life. And you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people be in that situation. M man,
Speaker 1: a fool broke is gonna be a fool. Rich people
Speaker 1: don't understand. Uh, you know, drunk broke is gonna be there,
Speaker 1: holy rich, you know, and and it keeps on going
Speaker 1: and to you mature and able to play that role. Man.
Speaker 1: So not until we probably start kissing thirty of the
Speaker 1: mid thirties that we really started to look at the
Speaker 1: real picture and get that thing right. Man. So the
Speaker 1: young brother has time, and I just hate that we
Speaker 1: just want to stone people, man and crucified people not understand. Hey, man,
Speaker 1: get a brother's chance. But he's gonna come back. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be all right. He's just going through the store
Speaker 1: right now. Everybody goes through the store and he just
Speaker 1: gotta keep going. And you got the best quarterback of
Speaker 1: the league vouching for you. How can you not be
Speaker 1: a great? Yeah? Yeah, because he saw his heart. See,
Speaker 1: I know his hard and the things that he's done
Speaker 1: is not who he is, the things that he's done.
Speaker 1: And I love that part about the young fellow man.
Speaker 1: Talk to us a little bit about your your your
Speaker 1: impact on the game that I think still exists today
Speaker 1: because you were the flies must I mean outside of
Speaker 1: your game, you were flying before flying was flying sports
Speaker 1: with the jewel glasses. You had the motherfucking Jerry curl
Speaker 1: dripped like my pops had wet but it was dry,
Speaker 1: but it was dry. I put off the wet look,
Speaker 1: but the dry but it was drying. Was getting Nexus
Speaker 1: product called Nexus. Hey, let me tell y'allself. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell y'all something that I never told nobody then
Speaker 1: this this is first cause I love y'all. You You
Speaker 1: you remember the headband and I used to go around.
Speaker 1: It wasn't intended to be war running it. It was
Speaker 1: no no. I used to wear it on the head
Speaker 1: like y'all do. The NBA because the girls juice. I'm
Speaker 1: not lying, and then put out, put the helmet on
Speaker 1: and mess around. It slipped down to the neck and
Speaker 1: it just became fashionable. Let me just roll with you.
Speaker 1: That's he That's how that happened. I'm not lying, that's how.
Speaker 1: That's how the hair Mary was more running. Nick. I
Speaker 1: never told nobody else that last. You are the first
Speaker 1: one to getting that truth. My dad, my dad had
Speaker 1: a dripper. My dad used to have the tale around
Speaker 1: his neck so the ship didn't get on his clothes.
Speaker 1: So should I. That's what I thought. Drift, no dog,
Speaker 1: no dog. I was offended when Coming to America came
Speaker 1: out and they was the is on the couch man.
Speaker 1: I was offended by that. Man. I was offended by
Speaker 1: that movie. That really was anybody with the colonel back
Speaker 1: then talking about you, huh but talk. But you know what, man,
Speaker 1: I'm a Florida I'm a Florida po man. And you
Speaker 1: know we we have swag. We haven't talking to Jo
Speaker 1: you know. And but the but the lot of it,
Speaker 1: oh man, And y'all ain't gonna believe this when I
Speaker 1: tell you, but it's the one true. I never talked
Speaker 1: drunk on the field, man, I never spoke to my opponents.
Speaker 1: I never tell it. Anybody ever played, never dog. I
Speaker 1: spent games to the medium, Like I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm the best texts peanut, butter and jelly. I'm miss
Speaker 1: you know you kick it to me. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: You're gonna hear the band man in a minute. You
Speaker 1: keep messing. I wouldn't say stuff like that. I never
Speaker 1: talked to my opponents, man, never in my life. But
Speaker 1: I had the mantra of I talked drunk call it,
Speaker 1: and I never did. So where is it coming? Is?
Speaker 1: That's not true about you happening out the limo and
Speaker 1: running the fold where the folks it's always it's always
Speaker 1: a little true to everyone? Was literally I did? I did.
Speaker 1: I did catch the rabbit that day. I ran my
Speaker 1: butt off, But I didn't leave in the rabbit. I
Speaker 1: ain't leaving the limo that day. I went. I did
Speaker 1: what everybody else did. It was normal, but I left
Speaker 1: right out. I ran because it was what. Am I
Speaker 1: gonna lay there and put two twenty five and do that?
Speaker 1: I ain't nobody laying across my arms and no games
Speaker 1: bench press, and I ain't no high jump. I'm not
Speaker 1: high jumping for I ain't gotta high jumping no game,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't doing none of the foolish stuff had
Speaker 1: to comeback. I just wanted to run my part because
Speaker 1: I was the number one coming out in my position.
Speaker 1: So why would I risk that a chance that I
Speaker 1: ain't had nothing to prove of, no comback. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to put it in work. No, I actually I
Speaker 1: want to sue because I went for business. I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I want enough, I want enough suited and boot it.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to suits and booted man. So I
Speaker 1: went for business. And I remember when I was in
Speaker 1: the big room with all the players. Dude, somebody from
Speaker 1: the league came over to me. He's excuse me, sir,
Speaker 1: there are no agents, a lot of inside. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm a player. I say I'm a player. I'm a
Speaker 1: player to the combat man, Yeah, hey play up. I
Speaker 1: want to sue to the com back man, I went
Speaker 1: for business. You played for both of our favorite teams.
Speaker 1: I think, did you win a championship with Dallas? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we won one with To let them know, Jack is
Speaker 1: a Dallas fan, I'm a Niner fan. What was it
Speaker 1: like playing in those times? You played with too great,
Speaker 1: I mean Aikman, Emmett, Michael Irvin, and you went over
Speaker 1: with Steve and Jerry John talked to us, Well, my
Speaker 1: fuinnest place to ever played was the that was home.
Speaker 1: You know, with somebody draft you, that's that's your home,
Speaker 1: that's your that's your blood. Man, Like Atlanta drafted me.
Speaker 1: So I'm forever in debt. And I loved Atlanta, but
Speaker 1: they wasn't. Uh. They didn't have the expectation of winning.
Speaker 1: And I was a winner and I wanted to win.
Speaker 1: So when I was a free agent, ain't even offer me. Man,
Speaker 1: they just let it ride out. So I ended up
Speaker 1: um getting ready to go to Miami. I was getting
Speaker 1: ready to go to mind because I went on a
Speaker 1: little tour. It's like a little bit and tool. Everybody
Speaker 1: was trying to put it to see who's gonna get
Speaker 1: prime and uh. I remember getting ready to go to
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. I even had Dolphins cleats made like like
Speaker 1: Nike had made my Dolphins cleats, and they said where
Speaker 1: you going, And I'm going over to Man, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do the dog. One thing I would have met with
Speaker 1: Eddie de barnlow Man and he said, you want to
Speaker 1: do this. I said, yeah, yeah, I want to do it.
Speaker 1: So we even had a handshake agreement. I got on
Speaker 1: the plane and went back before I landed. Before I landed,
Speaker 1: I think bet so I hit the dolphins with about
Speaker 1: three thirty yards passes. So they was blowing my phone up.
Speaker 1: Now they want to do the deal. Now they want
Speaker 1: to come up with the money. But I was always
Speaker 1: been a man of my word. If I said, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be that, So I had already gave Eddie my word.
Speaker 1: So I went to San Francisco. Man, and I remember
Speaker 1: the first day practice going in there, me with the
Speaker 1: head coaches, like we have no individuals on the team.
Speaker 1: You know, you got to coincide with what everybody else done.
Speaker 1: Like it kind of offended me because you have you
Speaker 1: haven't done your homework. You would expect to get prime.
Speaker 1: And I introduce you to the on I'm trying to
Speaker 1: show you who I really am. Your prime just comes
Speaker 1: out on Sundays. Man, that's just my marketing. That's just
Speaker 1: that's just what I did to get my paper. So man,
Speaker 1: I go out on the practice field. Jay got on
Speaker 1: red tights. Rinking Water's got no black tights. This on
Speaker 1: a kid, and that I said, well, I thought we
Speaker 1: was a team. I thought we were a team. I
Speaker 1: thought everybody did the same thing. So that kind of
Speaker 1: wrote me the wrong way. Man. But we put in
Speaker 1: some work that year and we won the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and that was one of the best years individually I
Speaker 1: think I've ever had, and I loved it. But I
Speaker 1: just was empty, man, I was empty as we won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Man, I would write home, first one
Speaker 1: out in the locker room, first one in the hotel room.
Speaker 1: Ain't even go out club, ain't even go kick it.
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting on managing my bed, like dang, that
Speaker 1: ain't that Ain't what I thought it was. I knew
Speaker 1: right then I needed the challenge, man, So I needed
Speaker 1: a challenge. So then that's why that took me to Dallas.
Speaker 1: I wanted to go prove I could get you all there.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna go get you all back then. I
Speaker 1: wanted to prove that. Did you thank him for that? Jack? I, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm going to thank him now. I appreciate it because
Speaker 1: I've been adopting a cowboy fast as a baby. But
Speaker 1: people blow up to San Francisco. I think you played
Speaker 1: with somebody from my hometown name Tim mccayo. Hey, let
Speaker 1: me tell you something that it was in Atlanta. In Atlanta,
Speaker 1: you played it yea with Tim's crazy Tim crazy man.
Speaker 1: I ain't seen this. I ain't seen this fool. I
Speaker 1: ain't seen this fool since since we played. Tim was
Speaker 1: a trip man. I remember a trip. I remember your
Speaker 1: man still. I remember man playing with his cat and
Speaker 1: we had a great Yeah. I think I had like
Speaker 1: seven picks. He made it. Hats man has six and
Speaker 1: every time he picked it he brought I used to say, Man,
Speaker 1: when he played black jack on the way you win,
Speaker 1: should get twenty one. You get that ball. The twenty
Speaker 1: one is a good things happened every time people got
Speaker 1: to pick. They got at the twenty one and good
Speaker 1: things happened. He can pick it, run away across the
Speaker 1: feeling pitch for the ball and we house that day.
Speaker 1: But Tim Man, I remember I was trying to blow
Speaker 1: him up so he could make the Pro Bowl with
Speaker 1: your boy. And we was on the interview and that
Speaker 1: they said, what you like about Tim game? Tim's game?
Speaker 1: I said, what Tim does this? He does this, Tim
Speaker 1: does this? They said, what Tim, what you like about
Speaker 1: prime game? He's like, well, he ain't better than me,
Speaker 1: don't almost swum doing the interview. I'm not lying, man,
Speaker 1: Like this dude flipped out on me. Man, I could
Speaker 1: not believe that. Man, Yeah, I ain't. I ain't ever
Speaker 1: met him. And I heard a lot of stories just
Speaker 1: like that about him. I know, I brothers and everybody,
Speaker 1: but he from my hometow but I heard the same
Speaker 1: type of stories about it. Man. Yeah, Man, he had
Speaker 1: a little yellow spirit in the man with You don't
Speaker 1: know why, you know, it was all good, but that
Speaker 1: that's what was. It was a trip. Who was uh?
Speaker 1: Who was your favorite matchup? Who was the one man? Man?
Speaker 1: You know Jerry j right, Michael Irving all of them? Man,
Speaker 1: because I was I was coming to see him. You know,
Speaker 1: it won't that it went back then. We we we
Speaker 1: went to see the main dog, the dog on dog,
Speaker 1: the dogs on dog, like like it used to be
Speaker 1: back in the day of the NBA Dog Go the dog. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was like it now, like LaRod, I want
Speaker 1: to see you with Kauai. You know, I like, I
Speaker 1: like to see I want to see dog on dog.
Speaker 1: That's what you selling me on TV. I want to
Speaker 1: see that. And it was me and Jerry got down
Speaker 1: me and make got down. Now they selling me dreams
Speaker 1: and I don't want to get to see it. Don't
Speaker 1: sell me to dream. I want you to get Mike
Speaker 1: put in work with everybody. Okay, you were seeing, you
Speaker 1: were sending the bulls. You was gonna see Mike, You
Speaker 1: was gonna see Kobe. You know you was gonna see
Speaker 1: the dogs, dogs on dog. It's a little different game.
Speaker 1: Now you gotta understand and see my favorite for his
Speaker 1: basketball fellas, I got the nickname trap from basketball. Please
Speaker 1: tell me about That's how that happened. You talking about
Speaker 1: that girl. That girl looked wet with a dry driven
Speaker 1: off down the coat. I say about with bouncing hey,
Speaker 1: twenty four point six before they ain't been in the freeze.
Speaker 1: They would freeze, And I prid you know you sound
Speaker 1: like like your boy man man Shan. I saw that
Speaker 1: episode chatting too big first of all, to be talking
Speaker 1: about he got buckets like that, shanty, ain't nobody You
Speaker 1: ain't ever seen nobody that big like that. I was
Speaker 1: All State at twenty four point six game and the
Speaker 1: threes were not implemented. So I tell myself, if the
Speaker 1: threes are implemented that might have been thirty foe. I
Speaker 1: had seventeen dunks. You know, I counted the dunks. I
Speaker 1: self team dunks as well count And I was all state,
Speaker 1: I kind of. I was on state though, All state football,
Speaker 1: all state basketball, and I got drafted better reds in baseball. Man,
Speaker 1: But basketball was it for me. That's what I loved.
Speaker 1: My high school coach told me later on he hit
Speaker 1: every letter I got because he didn't want me to
Speaker 1: pursue bad But I love basketball. Oh, I love basketball.
Speaker 1: That was it. Man. Every every home I've had, I've
Speaker 1: had a basketball court in Interesting, Interesting, So I love
Speaker 1: I loved high school. When you when you used to
Speaker 1: do punchs and kickoffs the whole state and standing up,
Speaker 1: thank you're taking it back every time. No I played quarterback. Man,
Speaker 1: I played quarterback. Man. I was a buck fifth in
Speaker 1: high school, so you weren't return to No. No, I
Speaker 1: played quarterback. I returned punch probably probably my sophomore year.
Speaker 1: But in the last two years I was quarterback and safety.
Speaker 1: I played both ways. Never came out the field, but no, Man,
Speaker 1: I didn't. Uh I didn't return the reason I started returning.
Speaker 1: But in Florida, state. Not to you, dog in Florida state.
Speaker 1: Like specialty is everything. Like if you're defensive player, you
Speaker 1: play defensive special teams offense you playoffs were lined up
Speaker 1: to f the state with some tories. Back then the
Speaker 1: blocking kicks like punt blocks everything. So we had a
Speaker 1: long land. They had a map laid out, I mean
Speaker 1: a real map, thick, like a look like a little
Speaker 1: ballet or gym. Man and the dudes posed to jump.
Speaker 1: Layout the part of kick the ball. You try to
Speaker 1: block it and layout flat. And that's how you was
Speaker 1: a punt block. The dude right before me, Dog, I'm
Speaker 1: not lying. He kicked the ball man. The dude mr
Speaker 1: the ball. The punter kicked him in the chin, split
Speaker 1: his chin wide open, blood everywhere, and I'm next. I
Speaker 1: look at this boy job, I said, cool, look at man.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back down and do my thing. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at this and get the ball to him.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at this going back there, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: good at death. Rocking came depart returning, Dog, somebody had
Speaker 1: the rest is history and the lay that dude man,
Speaker 1: that dude got back stitches man split his chein wilde
Speaker 1: over you. I just saw that. I'm good. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go back here, coach. I'm gonna go back here and
Speaker 1: handed it. And the rest is any residents, anybody that
Speaker 1: you can admit or you remember that busted your ass.
Speaker 1: I wun't know busting draft man, No, not Jerry. Jerry
Speaker 1: and mac Irvan made me really work. I had to
Speaker 1: be on my game. I had to be on my game. Men.
Speaker 1: Jerry had some battles. You know, we had some real
Speaker 1: battles because you know, the ball coming to him at
Speaker 1: least ten and I gotta win. I gotta win. I
Speaker 1: gotta win at least six of those. I can't. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't break even with Jerry, right, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: You gotta win. So we had some real battles, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't no and anybody who watching this right now,
Speaker 1: you ain't got no memory or somebody getting the best
Speaker 1: of friend he got them. Ain't nothing like that. It
Speaker 1: ain't it ain't no videos, ain't no footage. Said still,
Speaker 1: I was so I was so ana like that. I
Speaker 1: didn't play that poor drunk. I ain't play it. I
Speaker 1: didn't play that. The Provols. We went to the Provols
Speaker 1: and you know he's supposed to take it easy. I'm
Speaker 1: not taking it easy because if you get me over here,
Speaker 1: you're gonna think you could get me back over there.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. So I'm gonna handle you here
Speaker 1: because I don't want you to have that middle edge
Speaker 1: and want to in the world. I wasn't gonna let
Speaker 1: it happen. And I practiced like it was a game
Speaker 1: at all times. Man, you got you got an old
Speaker 1: saying that all that I held onto you. The first
Speaker 1: person I heard said, you look good, you play good.
Speaker 1: They pay good, look good, you feel good, You feel good,
Speaker 1: your playgood, you play good, day, pay good, you live
Speaker 1: goods just back in the day. And I said, the play,
Speaker 1: don't care who's making a play, don't care who make it?
Speaker 1: Be me? And what if I remember one time the
Speaker 1: slap box and match you have on Andre Rising talk
Speaker 1: to us about that. It was slap boxing the ship
Speaker 1: out of each other. Man, let me tell you something,
Speaker 1: that's one of the most disapporting times in my career.
Speaker 1: It really is. The reason is because I love that
Speaker 1: brother with all my heart, like that was my teammate
Speaker 1: and that was my dog. And the reason all that's
Speaker 1: come about is because I left him. I left him.
Speaker 1: That that's how it all started. I left, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't no a dog, I'm getting ready to go. I'm
Speaker 1: getting ready leave to go to Frisco. I'm out. It
Speaker 1: wasn't nothing like that. They didn't even offer me a contract.
Speaker 1: And you got to understand, I was a baseball player too,
Speaker 1: So time football was over, I'm gone. You know. I
Speaker 1: had two weeks after the Pro Bowl, the Pro Bowl used.
Speaker 1: It was the first week in the February. I got
Speaker 1: two weeks. Now I've been spraying, trading in baseball. So
Speaker 1: I'm out. So it ain't no bye, I see you
Speaker 1: later and all that. I'm out doing my other thing.
Speaker 1: So when I left, it wasn't no time to aid
Speaker 1: my brother. You know, I'm out. I'm about to go
Speaker 1: do this old thing. And that was a rival. San
Speaker 1: Francisco was a rival of ours. And when I laft
Speaker 1: it heard him and instead of us talking about it
Speaker 1: like men, Andre started talking through the press and a
Speaker 1: couple of the teammates started talking through the media. So
Speaker 1: now now you're trying me. So now I'm feeling a
Speaker 1: certain kind of way. Instead of us talking, I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, all right now. You know, I know, like
Speaker 1: I know, I know what I know. I know what
Speaker 1: I know. And I started my foot off, man. I
Speaker 1: prepared my butt off, man, and I started all the
Speaker 1: time anyway, and uh, you know, we went at it,
Speaker 1: and I was sitting up there one footback. You know,
Speaker 1: I used to change one footback. So I'm gonna rush you.
Speaker 1: I keep you thinking. Most corner facts are at the
Speaker 1: mercy of the receivers. I flipped that whole game. Now
Speaker 1: you at the mercy of me because you don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. So I'm in a sprint of
Speaker 1: stance and I'm gonna rush you on, gonna east back.
Speaker 1: And he came at me, and we went at it,
Speaker 1: and next thing, you know, we're swaying. The funny thing
Speaker 1: about the whole thing though, how we didn't get thrown
Speaker 1: at the game? How we are thrown that the game?
Speaker 1: Somebody asking that. Yeah, but you know, in this day
Speaker 1: and time, we have been thrown that game, throwing that
Speaker 1: for at least three or four weeks. Man, But we
Speaker 1: don't get thrown out. And I just baiting them, baiting
Speaker 1: the baiting them. And that made a big play in
Speaker 1: the rest is history. But I hate that we went
Speaker 1: to that point like we've been after that game. Even
Speaker 1: during the end of the game, we were back to
Speaker 1: we were still Yeah, we was talking during the game
Speaker 1: like like we we had healed it. We got it
Speaker 1: all out of us, and we healed it even before
Speaker 1: the end of the game. Man. But I love that brother, man,
Speaker 1: but that hurt my heart that we shouldn't have We
Speaker 1: should like, we shouldn't have got down like that compared
Speaker 1: today's game. So when you play, because I mean, everybody
Speaker 1: is protected now. I think as a defensive player, uh,
Speaker 1: something you're taught completely to do as a youngster. You
Speaker 1: have to completely take it out of your mind. I
Speaker 1: see some guys getting hurd game trying to do it.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that. It's a different game. It's
Speaker 1: it's so much like y'all game, you know now. Back
Speaker 1: then you go to the hold of the playoffs, you
Speaker 1: want to you know basketball, Yeah you're gonna get you
Speaker 1: get put down. Yeah, let him out, And it was
Speaker 1: it was respective. Now you know, they can't get fouled, man.
Speaker 1: So it's the same thing in our game back then. Man,
Speaker 1: you gotta catch like lot in this you know, the
Speaker 1: known hitters in the game. Just cleaning shot with you,
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks is gonna get their heads taken off. Now
Speaker 1: you can't touch them. You can't. It's a whole different game,
Speaker 1: which I understand because I'm not the kind of guy saying, man,
Speaker 1: these guys were better than us back then. Man, these
Speaker 1: dudes are bigger, strugger, and faster, and they have different technology.
Speaker 1: They got different workouts. Everybody got a chef. Now everybody
Speaker 1: got home gyms. I mean, these guys are ridiculous, man,
Speaker 1: I mean the size and the physicality of them. You
Speaker 1: got receivers to thirty right now running for threes. Man,
Speaker 1: we ain't had that bull jump back then. These have
Speaker 1: thrown me in at they're playing this game. But it's
Speaker 1: a totally different game. The only difference is I don't
Speaker 1: think guys are playing with the medical capacity. They're playing
Speaker 1: with athleticism, and back back then it was athletes as
Speaker 1: well as the mental part of it. Talk to them.
Speaker 1: So we feel to say that it's similar in basketball,
Speaker 1: Like you have to understand people don't want to see
Speaker 1: because Jack and I were both defenders. Jack had a
Speaker 1: lot of offensive game too, but we also prided ourselves
Speaker 1: on defense. You know, such as you. So it used
Speaker 1: to be a battle, used to be a war. People
Speaker 1: used to get knocked down, people used to get elbow
Speaker 1: Now is a part of the game. Now you can't
Speaker 1: touch anybody, you know what I mean. But you have
Speaker 1: to understand that they're selling a business. It's worldwide because
Speaker 1: of the Steph Curry shooting threes and and these guys
Speaker 1: Duncan they don't want to see no you know Indiana
Speaker 1: Detroit Defensive eight seven eighty five type games. No more.
Speaker 1: So you have to evolve along with the game. Although
Speaker 1: we love and we missed that just like you loved
Speaker 1: and missed the way you played, the game has to
Speaker 1: evolve and if you can get stuck being one of
Speaker 1: them old players like I don't like that ship because
Speaker 1: you just have to understand the evolution of both games. Man,
Speaker 1: you know what I don't like, Man, I don't like
Speaker 1: this spellars just because I like Jordan's talk to him, man,
Speaker 1: just talk out writing Lebron. That don't mean I don't
Speaker 1: like I mean, why say I like vanilla ice cream?
Speaker 1: That don't mean I don't like chocolate? What? What? What?
Speaker 1: Where we come from with this bull jump that we
Speaker 1: gotta put another brother down just because we're like another
Speaker 1: That don't make sense. It's just my preference. It's just
Speaker 1: the media plays a big part in that too, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, to create a narrative, create excitement,
Speaker 1: trying to sell something, but fans don't understand that. Players
Speaker 1: don't fall for this ship. But the fans don't understand that.
Speaker 1: Like it's just a battle, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you don't have to just because I respect his game,
Speaker 1: don't me and I don't funk with his game type
Speaker 1: ship right right, But I'm gonna tell you another thing
Speaker 1: we do as players. Back then, we were just bowling,
Speaker 1: y'all was just bolding. Now they're fishing. But likes they've
Speaker 1: checking the wab to see who lacking them, see who
Speaker 1: hating on them. Folks ain't came back then. You just
Speaker 1: played the game. Man, You just want to get you
Speaker 1: to try to try to give it to him night
Speaker 1: at the night. Now worried about who like you, who
Speaker 1: following you, who riding with you, how many followers you got.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of little challenged bull joker. I just
Speaker 1: don't understand, man, Herman, Instead of focusing on what you're
Speaker 1: putting on the floor, of what you're putting on the ground. Herman.
Speaker 1: Her Herman was told me I was working at ESPNE
Speaker 1: with with him one day and he was like, Jack,
Speaker 1: my apologoe career. I watch. He's like one thing I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you about the game that I see and
Speaker 1: he's not even in basketball, he said, he sees this
Speaker 1: about basketball from him from the outside looking in. More
Speaker 1: kids these days are interested and entertained about what the
Speaker 1: game can do for him. Then that they're actually loving
Speaker 1: the game. We didn't have done grow up, so we
Speaker 1: love the game first. That's all we had was basketball.
Speaker 1: We all we had with sports. So once we feel
Speaker 1: like it lies we can make money off. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: a different feeling, but we grew up having no choice
Speaker 1: but to love what we was doing first. And that's
Speaker 1: a big difference. Now they're more they're more interested in
Speaker 1: can do for him. Man, you absolutely right. And Man,
Speaker 1: when I see you outside on the court with your
Speaker 1: like you outside see you you're missing how large that
Speaker 1: is you outside on the court with your kids. Why
Speaker 1: the last time you've seen some real kiss outside playing basketball?
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody can play outside no more. Back in the day, man,
Speaker 1: we had down Hey man, I got next and my
Speaker 1: other part of the comp You're gonna be here in
Speaker 1: five minutes, right, Ain't nobody playing outside no more? Then
Speaker 1: if you ain't picked this cat, he gonna don't get
Speaker 1: the ball and busting on the court, so nobody ain't
Speaker 1: don't play. Somebody ain't nobody playing the thing. And then
Speaker 1: this this little dude I've thought to said another name,
Speaker 1: but he gonna take his ball to go home because
Speaker 1: he ain't getting picked. So I'm like, he got to
Speaker 1: get always wanted them, So I don't even see that.
Speaker 1: But when I see you outside, man, playing with your
Speaker 1: short and I'm like, now that's basketball. But we shoot
Speaker 1: until the lights come over, till the lights come on. Yeah, different,
Speaker 1: you know they got so many that's there. I grew up.
Speaker 1: Man say they got so much technology now, and we
Speaker 1: all came from nothing. So I didn't have ship. I
Speaker 1: was from the time. I couldn't wait to get outside
Speaker 1: until the lights came on. All day, sometimes no lunch,
Speaker 1: Sometimes find a way to go get a motherfucking thirty
Speaker 1: nine sing burger from McDonald's. But until the lights came
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to be nowhere near the house. I
Speaker 1: could go like five or six neighborhoods away. Just remember it. Okay,
Speaker 1: once I could see the sun start, I gotta get
Speaker 1: closer because once my mom and my dad whistle, I
Speaker 1: gotta be home. But it's not like that no more. Man.
Speaker 1: We was funking going to school because my bus, we
Speaker 1: bus stop over the play against this bus stop and
Speaker 1: we fucking because we're playing touch full on the roll.
Speaker 1: But for school, let the bus stop. I bust stops
Speaker 1: stop and we had to go circle. So that that's
Speaker 1: how I used to be. Now, everybody, you ain't working
Speaker 1: out unless you got to train them, unless you got
Speaker 1: seven or seven. But we played though we didn't even
Speaker 1: train them. Like we didn't train. We played. We just
Speaker 1: played all the sports, all different sports. But they never
Speaker 1: had time to train in one area ever because we
Speaker 1: was always onto the I played football, baseball, basketball, and
Speaker 1: track in high school. So I was from sport to
Speaker 1: sport to sport, you know what I mean. There was
Speaker 1: never no training, Like I didn't train for basketball. Football
Speaker 1: is my best sport. But I didn't train for basketball
Speaker 1: till I got to the NBA, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like I was just man, so I know you football,
Speaker 1: I was the number one, the number one receiver in
Speaker 1: the country my senior year had eight touchdowns. Went went
Speaker 1: the broken toe. I was, I was chasing the record,
Speaker 1: so it started as turf toe. You know how bad
Speaker 1: turf toe. So I had to cut my cleats and
Speaker 1: everything played all the way through it and it ended
Speaker 1: up being I ended up breaking it a shattering where
Speaker 1: they had to go in and remove pieces. So that's
Speaker 1: when I went into U c l A while. I
Speaker 1: didn't go out to play football my freshman year because
Speaker 1: I had a major back in the day, like a
Speaker 1: kaiser toe surgery. So the scars like this, long Jack,
Speaker 1: you didn't see how fun up my ship is. So
Speaker 1: my toe was messed up. But we're gonna compare when
Speaker 1: I see you, We're gonna compare my ship. My ship
Speaker 1: still looked good though. They just don't work for nothing.
Speaker 1: Oh no, if I don't he look good. I got
Speaker 1: one that sits so hot and the little ones. I
Speaker 1: got one to sit up like that though. Yeah that's
Speaker 1: how Jack, Hey, Jack, tell us how he used to
Speaker 1: be going to school. Funk. When you were saying a
Speaker 1: minute ago, now I was, I was just that little
Speaker 1: I was pissing the beds. I was about nine. Wait,
Speaker 1: I used to wait. I used to wake up with
Speaker 1: fresh clothes. Are fresh to them? Motherfucker was still smelling
Speaker 1: like piss. Oh look like my older thing. He needed
Speaker 1: to Peter Bear the same one hit drows all over
Speaker 1: the house, man when well, I found drolls. I found
Speaker 1: drows over the house. And man, and we want to
Speaker 1: we want to keep going in, but we want you
Speaker 1: to come in on the show, so we don't want
Speaker 1: to go too deep. So we're gonna end. We're gonna
Speaker 1: give you a few more things. But once all this
Speaker 1: clears that, man, we gotta have you in the studios
Speaker 1: so we can reminisce about how important you are. Gotta
Speaker 1: fly me there. I'm coming. I'm coming on my own,
Speaker 1: straight up, straight up. I'm coming to see y'all. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to sit down and say, look, bad things, y'all.
Speaker 1: Y'all don't understand. Man, y'all moving the needle, your challenging
Speaker 1: culture and you you're provoking change, man. And that's that's
Speaker 1: real talk. And I love that, y'all keeping one hunt
Speaker 1: because I'm saving some good questions I got for y'all,
Speaker 1: because I want to see you. I want to see
Speaker 1: the immediate response to what I want to see. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have a good, long conversation with you. We we're
Speaker 1: gonna finish off of these two things. NBA. You said
Speaker 1: you're big on basketball. Who was your favorite team and
Speaker 1: player growing up? I didn't have a favorite team, but
Speaker 1: I had a favorite player. Uh. Dr J was my guy.
Speaker 1: He was he was a doctor. He was called a
Speaker 1: doctor and he didn't have a pH d. You're talking
Speaker 1: about a brother that we was smooth brother. That was
Speaker 1: swan brother. That was a playoff old playoffs. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know he do. Doc was so Doc was so
Speaker 1: cold back in the day, Man that that he took
Speaker 1: the imagination of a young young cat from folk Mys
Speaker 1: flaughter Man, and I just I just loved everything about
Speaker 1: the duck, howke cared himself on the field and off
Speaker 1: the field, and how people perceived him, how what they
Speaker 1: saw when they saw him. I loved it. So he
Speaker 1: was my guy. He was my guy going up. But see,
Speaker 1: I didn't really have a team that I like because
Speaker 1: I just like certain guys and I like things they
Speaker 1: brought to the table. Man. And you know, Magic was
Speaker 1: bad back there, Magic madgick. You know, that that whole
Speaker 1: thing with them and the Pistons and then with Bird
Speaker 1: and the Celtics. I want the big Celtics fan back then.
Speaker 1: But I love the way they competed. I love their teamwork. Yes, God,
Speaker 1: they played hard. So it was it was so many
Speaker 1: different guys at the ice Man, George Garveld, come on, like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, the ice Man. That's the coldest picture
Speaker 1: ever made, wasn't it. It's the coldest puposed to go
Speaker 1: down in history. We're nice that is that some players
Speaker 1: something man Man that was super player. So I was
Speaker 1: in that era man, and I love those cats. So
Speaker 1: current NBA players and and do you follow teams? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm crazy about Braun, you know, I love what. I
Speaker 1: want to interview Braun for CBS when he was in
Speaker 1: high school, and I remember some of the tough analysts
Speaker 1: basketball analysts at the time was hey, no, talking about
Speaker 1: he wasn't this, he wanted that? And why he should?
Speaker 1: Why he had a Hummer H two in high school?
Speaker 1: And I remember being on National teav I said a hummer,
Speaker 1: y'all tripping about a hummer. Any bank would get his
Speaker 1: kid's mother any credit line? They won't because he's about
Speaker 1: to make a hundred time he signs his name and
Speaker 1: you're tripping about a hummer. You should be happy he
Speaker 1: ain't getting a Bentley Roles something. But I knew. I
Speaker 1: went to interview him when he was in high school
Speaker 1: and he had it. When you got it, you you
Speaker 1: you recognize it. Y'all got it, So y'all recognize it
Speaker 1: when you see it. This cat and had it for
Speaker 1: a long time. Man. I love what Vince is given
Speaker 1: to the game. Vince Card, it's a Florida boy. I
Speaker 1: love catching what they've done for the game and how Vince,
Speaker 1: I mean, Vince was that? God? Vin? That's the best
Speaker 1: end game Ducker and I think I've ever seen in
Speaker 1: my life. Yes, yeah, ever ever ever Yeah. So there's
Speaker 1: so many cats that JA crossover. Man, I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: how has he not in the game right now? Jamal Crawford? Man,
Speaker 1: is he not in the game? Has he not in
Speaker 1: the game? That hurts my feelings? That hurt my feelings
Speaker 1: to see him not after did he? What are you
Speaker 1: dropped last game? Fifty? How do you dropping fifty your
Speaker 1: last time on the court and you can't get back
Speaker 1: on the court. Tip of the most six a year. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: there's al it's a lot of cats. Said that. I
Speaker 1: love I love them real cats, man. I love what
Speaker 1: y'all brought to the game. Told him, Hey, I told Stack,
Speaker 1: I told Stack man, I was a fan. They came. Man,
Speaker 1: when when when he played the Golden State Dog, you're
Speaker 1: talking about whooping the mavericks Man. They physically pumped the
Speaker 1: mavericks Man and Stack was getting buckets. I mean you
Speaker 1: you they had a whole team of dogs and they
Speaker 1: was just you know, you know, you know, man, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean that man, Man Man, Matt
Speaker 1: was the leaders at the kind and everybody just followed.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, but y'all y'all was
Speaker 1: different though. Man, y'all y'all had y'all did. First of all,
Speaker 1: y'all didn't kill it. Wouldn't know. Y'all respected the game.
Speaker 1: But on the court, it wasn't no respect the player.
Speaker 1: Like come on, man, know what y'all did to the
Speaker 1: marriage that series? Man came? No, no, it did, because
Speaker 1: you think that it was laughable. They had what they
Speaker 1: had sixty years that year there was the number one
Speaker 1: team in the West. We came in and took game
Speaker 1: one and we knew it was over. We knew it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But man, the way y'all did it though, Man, I mean, y'all,
Speaker 1: it was like it was like the Hood playing against
Speaker 1: Downtown Dallas. Man, it was like many but let this man,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Bet it was a bad boy. Man. Man,
Speaker 1: people don't understand a bad barring injury. He would have
Speaker 1: been one of the greatest point guards ever, no question. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But in every position and coming off the bench, y'all
Speaker 1: had dogs. Y'all had some nasty dudes that that was
Speaker 1: giving you both ends, you know, and they want to
Speaker 1: give you both in There was some heck of a
Speaker 1: role players. They better play, they roll, they stepped outside,
Speaker 1: they roll, and I saw all that. Man. But shoot,
Speaker 1: I mean I love that series. Man, That's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite series. And I tell Seck every time I
Speaker 1: talked to him to see it that that there was
Speaker 1: unbelieve gotta We got a documentary coming out about that
Speaker 1: team that we believe team. See, that's the kind of
Speaker 1: stuff I want to talk about. Off. I want to
Speaker 1: go every I want to know the first everybody on
Speaker 1: that team who this dude looks really everybody was somebody
Speaker 1: that was the team that everybody likes. So we was
Speaker 1: going hard on and off the court, and it was
Speaker 1: the whole team, the whole team, the whole thing. You
Speaker 1: know what. That's the trip about basketball, because I know
Speaker 1: some basketball pleasant. They've told me some stories I love,
Speaker 1: like athletic stories, like I don't understand how you ain't
Speaker 1: got the twelve or fifteen cats, you know in the
Speaker 1: locker room on an organization, and you've got three different clicks?
Speaker 1: How does that work? So when I hear that, you know,
Speaker 1: but when I hear that y'all was the one team
Speaker 1: you're owning off the court, I love it because nowadays
Speaker 1: it's two or three different clicks. Like this dude got
Speaker 1: he got three cats to roll with him. Okay, he
Speaker 1: got folk cats to roll with him. And these other kids,
Speaker 1: they the other cats, they're just in the middle. They
Speaker 1: don't know which way they want to go. How does
Speaker 1: that work? Man? The Wars was different. That was the
Speaker 1: only team that I've been on my whole career while
Speaker 1: I was in at least two with three people weddings
Speaker 1: on my team. That's how close we were. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I can I can say I was
Speaker 1: actually in the way and this Grossman and three people
Speaker 1: on that team in that way. So that's that's how
Speaker 1: close our team was. Still still talk to each other
Speaker 1: to this day. To this day, I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: begged second. Hold on, hold up, hold up. You know
Speaker 1: we normally have a bagging stetment prime where I asked,
Speaker 1: you know, for stuff. I got some shoes from cold
Speaker 1: and everybody else. Problem. I've been looking for two things
Speaker 1: and I know that you can find him. I need
Speaker 1: a cowboy jersey and the first Dion Nikes with the
Speaker 1: strap on top. Now I know you gotta past in
Speaker 1: the closet. No see, I'm a I'm a number guy.
Speaker 1: I'm a number guy. I've been there for like thirty
Speaker 1: or fourteen years and when I flipped, so I know
Speaker 1: I don't have those. Now, you make a code at
Speaker 1: the company, and I'm pretty sure Tracy T. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you a name, and I guarantee you he could
Speaker 1: come up with Tracy T. Because yeah, Tracy T like T.
Speaker 1: He we designed those things together collectively. That's this is
Speaker 1: the first bag I'm in. This banging segment to this
Speaker 1: is gonna be my my entrance. I never asked nobody
Speaker 1: for nothing, but I need for the first time, I
Speaker 1: need a uh, I need a San Francisco Dion and
Speaker 1: then them same shoes. So we're gonna exchange information offline.
Speaker 1: You need to sever I ain't never even as I
Speaker 1: never left in Jack's bangon segment. It's the first time
Speaker 1: for fun that we right have to do a collapse.
Speaker 1: Brod had to do a collap with your shoes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did a Type one two. Man, he did a
Speaker 1: Type one two. Thanks to night. We're gonna leave with
Speaker 1: people don't understand that you played in the NFL, in
Speaker 1: the in the NFL and Major League Baseball and on
Speaker 1: a particular date, October eleventh, nine two. Talk to me
Speaker 1: about that day, great bear, you know that, ce Cee.
Speaker 1: That's one thing I can't wait to talk to you
Speaker 1: all about. Like you know, I've never drinking of smoke.
Speaker 1: You know what I know, you know what I know.
Speaker 1: But but but I want to talk to you all
Speaker 1: about that. So then when I came there October level,
Speaker 1: October level, what was that? The two sports? One day?
Speaker 1: Was that day? I I love my football teammates so
Speaker 1: much and back then I was just Baseball was just
Speaker 1: using me too. You know, to come in and pinch
Speaker 1: around and pinch it, do all that stuff later because
Speaker 1: my contract actually ended in June, so I would come
Speaker 1: up with help Baseball just off the scrint that that
Speaker 1: those are my guys when the playoffs, I'm gonna come
Speaker 1: and help you. But the dilemma was I had a
Speaker 1: full time football countract and Baseball was trying to make
Speaker 1: it look like I'm dogging them like my dog, and
Speaker 1: you my countract that over this June. So I'm coming
Speaker 1: over to help my guys. And it was the two
Speaker 1: sports on one day, and I had already told him
Speaker 1: what I was gonna do, and they try to make
Speaker 1: me seemed like I was the selfish one, the egotistical one.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to play two sports. And one day
Speaker 1: you didn't even let me get into during basic and
Speaker 1: we played against Marino. We're playing against Marino, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna let think I'm gonna leave that secondary with got
Speaker 1: me against Dupa Clayton and that more you're at shoe Man.
Speaker 1: So I had to get there for my guy. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you what. That was one of the saddest
Speaker 1: moments of my athletic career and one of the most gratified,
Speaker 1: like flying in there and when the Cats actually saw
Speaker 1: me get on the bus the next morning. Dog, when
Speaker 1: my valcan teams and make saw me get on that
Speaker 1: during bus that morning and they just started clapping. Man
Speaker 1: like my dog made in him. I said, in that seat, man,
Speaker 1: that crossed weird tears, man, because I knew I had
Speaker 1: done the right thing. And after the game, I was
Speaker 1: so exhausted mentally and emotionally because you know, I was
Speaker 1: getting hammered for doing the right thing. Man, I got
Speaker 1: hammered publicly for doing what was right by my teammates.
Speaker 1: And I flew back, made it to the baseball game.
Speaker 1: They ain't thinking about putting me in. I mean, everybody
Speaker 1: could have got kidnapped off the team. They still wouldn't.
Speaker 1: They would have forfeited. They was not gonna put me
Speaker 1: in that day. And I said, cool, we're straight. I'm good.
Speaker 1: So it got down to the series we played against
Speaker 1: uh Blue Jays, I believe and David Koone. It's playing
Speaker 1: I'm bad like seven hundred off David Koone lifetime and
Speaker 1: baseball is about analytics, so you can't justify not putting
Speaker 1: me in. And David Koone pitching, and to this day
Speaker 1: I thank God for David Koones and I would have
Speaker 1: never played in the World Series had he not. I
Speaker 1: got in and and and did this thing too. That's
Speaker 1: a different thing, Like we're gonna dive into who you
Speaker 1: really were because I think it's unfortunate. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: this situation obviously crazy and unfortunate. It's giving people a
Speaker 1: chance to watch older games and really have an appreciation
Speaker 1: because I really feel like this curve climate doesn't respect well.
Speaker 1: And I can't speak for everybody, but a majority it's
Speaker 1: more what have you done for me lately? So for basketball,
Speaker 1: for football, you're getting to see people such as yourself
Speaker 1: and do what you do and forget. I just think
Speaker 1: we forget how amazing you know, the people that pay
Speaker 1: the way for us are. So I think it's it's great.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna really dive into that when you come
Speaker 1: in and sit down and rock with us. Man, But
Speaker 1: we really want to thank you. Hey, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: this is a stack more so than stay. I love you,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I want you to stay old TV.
Speaker 1: I want you to so every now I did just
Speaker 1: break it that a little bit, but we can't do
Speaker 1: We can't lose you, straight up. We can't lose you
Speaker 1: because your voice is real. Dog. So you know, I
Speaker 1: know we yeah, I know, we gotta keep it one hundred,
Speaker 1: but we need you, dog, sir. Yeah, and man, keep
Speaker 1: on doing what you're doing. Man, I'm right with you.
Speaker 1: You know, we all been going through the same old
Speaker 1: boy Jo. That's you know, God chose you, man, because
Speaker 1: no matter what you're going through, you coming through the back.
Speaker 1: All the smoke, like all the smoke. But but we're
Speaker 1: making it, but we're making it sad. Hey, man, I
Speaker 1: love y'all. Brother. Man, we appreciate you. Man, I got
Speaker 1: you with legendary. But he gonna be back. He's gonna
Speaker 1: come in the s We're gonna really chop it up.
Speaker 1: But thank you for this special edition up to y'all
Speaker 1: right here with you Sanders. Hope you guys enjoyed this.
Speaker 1: Everyone stay sphe something nephew quarter back like I need
Speaker 1: this side of Jersey now fo time, And we're gonna
Speaker 1: and me and me and Jack gonna come to one
Speaker 1: of his games next year. Man, come on, dog, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got you. Come on the sideline, come with y'all. Yeah, alright, man,
Speaker 1: that's next time. I'm man. I'm definitely called a man.
Speaker 1: That's a wrap. Ut fellow, appreciate. You can catch all
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Speaker 1: life was all I ever wanted. I'm not leaving, not yet.
Speaker 1: I was hoping you'd say that we gotta hit the streets,
Speaker 1: make some money. People like us. Let's destroy people like him.
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