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Speaker 1: Let's sto all stow just getting started, baby, just getting started. Man,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special COVID nineteen satellite edition of

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Speaker 1: All the Smoke When my brother stat five. Good to

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Speaker 1: see my brother was happening. Good to be seen. And man,

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Speaker 1: we gotta special guests. Man, this is an honor. Uh Man.

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Speaker 1: We grew up blizing this guy, one of them, the

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Speaker 1: Dion Sanders, Man, thank you for your time, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Man. Please, it's so funny. Man, I

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Speaker 1: just feel like I know y'all. You know how you

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Speaker 1: just some brothers out there. You never really got down

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Speaker 1: with them, but you know him know your old type

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Speaker 1: of brothers man that you do like I would have

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Speaker 1: I love for y'all jokers, man, and we appreciate same

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Speaker 1: same crop. Yeah, same thing, thank you. I mean we're

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Speaker 1: in a we're in a time that we've never seen before.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're in this this pandemic right now. How

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Speaker 1: I got a city squag, but really, man, I'm a

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Speaker 1: I had to fight it out then, I want to.

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Speaker 1: I ain't got up since last frid. I've been in

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Speaker 1: A man, younger Song's gonna walk in my room too

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Speaker 1: to night talking about you know what, Dad, I lost

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Speaker 1: a lot of respect for you. I blocked your shot.

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Speaker 1: I blocked your shot twice. You ain't give me nothing's

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Speaker 1: My brother, my son just want me to be his homeboy.

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Speaker 1: You don't want me to tell him nothing about basketball.

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Speaker 1: hard like that. Now I've grown and matured the little

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Speaker 1: and we got to travel all over the country to play.

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Speaker 1: But I love it. Man. I'm gonna coach college football

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Speaker 1: probably next year. I don't know, yeah, probably next year.

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Speaker 1: the Panic coach Prime still gonna be there, y'all know,

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the current climate um of the

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Speaker 1: we understand that sometimes it's just time to go. And

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just just that time. And Tom and I

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Speaker 1: I kind of look at it like this, Dion. I

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Speaker 1: he had to challenge himself. I'm gonna go back to Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: you playing against yourself, You're playing against your own ghosts.

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Speaker 1: because a lot of brothers see, we know because we've

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Speaker 1: He had to be humble little bit and and he is.

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Speaker 1: And now he's getting back you, back to the family,

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Speaker 1: And he's focused. Man, he's refocused. I just spoke to him,

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Speaker 1: thought everybody did the same thing. So that kind of

425
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 1: wrote me the wrong way. Man. But we put in

426
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 1: some work that year and we won the super Bowl,

427
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 1: and that was one of the best years individually I

428
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 1: think I've ever had, and I loved it. But I

429
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: just was empty, man, I was empty as we won

430
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Man, I would write home, first one

431
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 1: out in the locker room, first one in the hotel room.

432
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: Ain't even go out club, ain't even go kick it.

433
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting on managing my bed, like dang, that

434
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: ain't that Ain't what I thought it was. I knew

435
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 1: right then I needed the challenge, man, So I needed

436
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: a challenge. So then that's why that took me to Dallas.

437
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to go prove I could get you all there.

438
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna go get you all back then. I

439
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: wanted to prove that. Did you thank him for that? Jack? I, Man,

440
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to thank him now. I appreciate it because

441
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: I've been adopting a cowboy fast as a baby. But

442
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: people blow up to San Francisco. I think you played

443
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 1: with somebody from my hometown name Tim mccayo. Hey, let

444
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: me tell you something that it was in Atlanta. In Atlanta,

445
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: you played it yea with Tim's crazy Tim crazy man.

446
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: I ain't seen this. I ain't seen this fool. I

447
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: ain't seen this fool since since we played. Tim was

448
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: a trip man. I remember a trip. I remember your

449
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: man still. I remember man playing with his cat and

450
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: we had a great Yeah. I think I had like

451
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: seven picks. He made it. Hats man has six and

452
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 1: every time he picked it he brought I used to say, Man,

453
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: when he played black jack on the way you win,

454
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: should get twenty one. You get that ball. The twenty

455
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 1: one is a good things happened every time people got

456
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: to pick. They got at the twenty one and good

457
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 1: things happened. He can pick it, run away across the

458
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: feeling pitch for the ball and we house that day.

459
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: But Tim Man, I remember I was trying to blow

460
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: him up so he could make the Pro Bowl with

461
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: your boy. And we was on the interview and that

462
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: they said, what you like about Tim game? Tim's game?

463
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: I said, what Tim does this? He does this, Tim

464
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: does this? They said, what Tim, what you like about

465
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: prime game? He's like, well, he ain't better than me,

466
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: don't almost swum doing the interview. I'm not lying, man,

467
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: Like this dude flipped out on me. Man, I could

468
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: not believe that. Man, Yeah, I ain't. I ain't ever

469
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: met him. And I heard a lot of stories just

470
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: like that about him. I know, I brothers and everybody,

471
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: but he from my hometow but I heard the same

472
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: type of stories about it. Man. Yeah, Man, he had

473
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 1: a little yellow spirit in the man with You don't

474
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: know why, you know, it was all good, but that

475
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,239
Speaker 1: that's what was. It was a trip. Who was uh?

476
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: Who was your favorite matchup? Who was the one man? Man?

477
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,239
Speaker 1: You know Jerry j right, Michael Irving all of them? Man,

478
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: because I was I was coming to see him. You know,

479
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: it won't that it went back then. We we we

480
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: went to see the main dog, the dog on dog,

481
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: the dogs on dog, like like it used to be

482
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: back in the day of the NBA Dog Go the dog. Yeah,

483
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: And I was like it now, like LaRod, I want

484
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: to see you with Kauai. You know, I like, I

485
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: like to see I want to see dog on dog.

486
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: That's what you selling me on TV. I want to

487
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 1: see that. And it was me and Jerry got down

488
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: me and make got down. Now they selling me dreams

489
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: and I don't want to get to see it. Don't

490
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: sell me to dream. I want you to get Mike

491
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: put in work with everybody. Okay, you were seeing, you

492
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: were sending the bulls. You was gonna see Mike, You

493
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: was gonna see Kobe. You know you was gonna see

494
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: the dogs, dogs on dog. It's a little different game.

495
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: Now you gotta understand and see my favorite for his

496
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: basketball fellas, I got the nickname trap from basketball. Please

497
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: tell me about That's how that happened. You talking about

498
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: that girl. That girl looked wet with a dry driven

499
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: off down the coat. I say about with bouncing hey,

500
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: twenty four point six before they ain't been in the freeze.

501
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: They would freeze, And I prid you know you sound

502
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: like like your boy man man Shan. I saw that

503
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: episode chatting too big first of all, to be talking

504
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: about he got buckets like that, shanty, ain't nobody You

505
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: ain't ever seen nobody that big like that. I was

506
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: All State at twenty four point six game and the

507
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: threes were not implemented. So I tell myself, if the

508
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: threes are implemented that might have been thirty foe. I

509
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: had seventeen dunks. You know, I counted the dunks. I

510
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: self team dunks as well count And I was all state,

511
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: I kind of. I was on state though, All state football,

512
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: all state basketball, and I got drafted better reds in baseball. Man,

513
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: But basketball was it for me. That's what I loved.

514
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: My high school coach told me later on he hit

515
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: every letter I got because he didn't want me to

516
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: pursue bad But I love basketball. Oh, I love basketball.

517
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: That was it. Man. Every every home I've had, I've

518
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: had a basketball court in Interesting, Interesting, So I love

519
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: I loved high school. When you when you used to

520
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: do punchs and kickoffs the whole state and standing up,

521
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,719
Speaker 1: thank you're taking it back every time. No I played quarterback. Man,

522
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: I played quarterback. Man. I was a buck fifth in

523
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: high school, so you weren't return to No. No, I

524
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: played quarterback. I returned punch probably probably my sophomore year.

525
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: But in the last two years I was quarterback and safety.

526
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: I played both ways. Never came out the field, but no, Man,

527
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: I didn't. Uh I didn't return the reason I started returning.

528
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: But in Florida, state. Not to you, dog in Florida state.

529
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: Like specialty is everything. Like if you're defensive player, you

530
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 1: play defensive special teams offense you playoffs were lined up

531
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: to f the state with some tories. Back then the

532
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: blocking kicks like punt blocks everything. So we had a

533
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: long land. They had a map laid out, I mean

534
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: a real map, thick, like a look like a little

535
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: ballet or gym. Man and the dudes posed to jump.

536
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: Layout the part of kick the ball. You try to

537
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: block it and layout flat. And that's how you was

538
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: a punt block. The dude right before me, Dog, I'm

539
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: not lying. He kicked the ball man. The dude mr

540
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: the ball. The punter kicked him in the chin, split

541
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: his chin wide open, blood everywhere, and I'm next. I

542
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: look at this boy job, I said, cool, look at man.

543
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back down and do my thing. All right,

544
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at this and get the ball to him.

545
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at this going back there, I'm pretty

546
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: good at death. Rocking came depart returning, Dog, somebody had

547
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: the rest is history and the lay that dude man,

548
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: that dude got back stitches man split his chein wilde

549
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: over you. I just saw that. I'm good. I'm gonna

550
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: go back here, coach. I'm gonna go back here and

551
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: handed it. And the rest is any residents, anybody that

552
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: you can admit or you remember that busted your ass.

553
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: I wun't know busting draft man, No, not Jerry. Jerry

554
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: and mac Irvan made me really work. I had to

555
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: be on my game. I had to be on my game. Men.

556
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: Jerry had some battles. You know, we had some real

557
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: battles because you know, the ball coming to him at

558
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: least ten and I gotta win. I gotta win. I

559
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: gotta win at least six of those. I can't. You know,

560
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: you can't break even with Jerry, right, you can't do that.

561
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: You gotta win. So we had some real battles, but

562
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't no and anybody who watching this right now,

563
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: you ain't got no memory or somebody getting the best

564
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: of friend he got them. Ain't nothing like that. It

565
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: ain't it ain't no videos, ain't no footage. Said still,

566
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: I was so I was so ana like that. I

567
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: didn't play that poor drunk. I ain't play it. I

568
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: didn't play that. The Provols. We went to the Provols

569
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: and you know he's supposed to take it easy. I'm

570
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: not taking it easy because if you get me over here,

571
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna think you could get me back over there.

572
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. So I'm gonna handle you here

573
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: because I don't want you to have that middle edge

574
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: and want to in the world. I wasn't gonna let

575
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: it happen. And I practiced like it was a game

576
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: at all times. Man, you got you got an old

577
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: saying that all that I held onto you. The first

578
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: person I heard said, you look good, you play good.

579
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: They pay good, look good, you feel good, You feel good,

580
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: your playgood, you play good, day, pay good, you live

581
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: goods just back in the day. And I said, the play,

582
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: don't care who's making a play, don't care who make it?

583
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: Be me? And what if I remember one time the

584
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: slap box and match you have on Andre Rising talk

585
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: to us about that. It was slap boxing the ship

586
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: out of each other. Man, let me tell you something,

587
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: that's one of the most disapporting times in my career.

588
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: It really is. The reason is because I love that

589
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: brother with all my heart, like that was my teammate

590
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: and that was my dog. And the reason all that's

591
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: come about is because I left him. I left him.

592
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: That that's how it all started. I left, and it

593
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: wasn't no a dog, I'm getting ready to go. I'm

594
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: getting ready leave to go to Frisco. I'm out. It

595
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: wasn't nothing like that. They didn't even offer me a contract.

596
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: And you got to understand, I was a baseball player too,

597
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: So time football was over, I'm gone. You know. I

598
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: had two weeks after the Pro Bowl, the Pro Bowl used.

599
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: It was the first week in the February. I got

600
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: two weeks. Now I've been spraying, trading in baseball. So

601
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm out. So it ain't no bye, I see you

602
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: later and all that. I'm out doing my other thing.

603
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: So when I left, it wasn't no time to aid

604
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: my brother. You know, I'm out. I'm about to go

605
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: do this old thing. And that was a rival. San

606
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: Francisco was a rival of ours. And when I laft

607
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: it heard him and instead of us talking about it

608
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: like men, Andre started talking through the press and a

609
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: couple of the teammates started talking through the media. So

610
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: now now you're trying me. So now I'm feeling a

611
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: certain kind of way. Instead of us talking, I'm like,

612
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: all right, all right now. You know, I know, like

613
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: I know, I know what I know. I know what

614
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: I know. And I started my foot off, man. I

615
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: prepared my butt off, man, and I started all the

616
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: time anyway, and uh, you know, we went at it,

617
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: and I was sitting up there one footback. You know,

618
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: I used to change one footback. So I'm gonna rush you.

619
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: I keep you thinking. Most corner facts are at the

620
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: mercy of the receivers. I flipped that whole game. Now

621
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: you at the mercy of me because you don't know

622
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. So I'm in a sprint of

623
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: stance and I'm gonna rush you on, gonna east back.

624
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: And he came at me, and we went at it,

625
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: and next thing, you know, we're swaying. The funny thing

626
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: about the whole thing though, how we didn't get thrown

627
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: at the game? How we are thrown that the game?

628
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: Somebody asking that. Yeah, but you know, in this day

629
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: and time, we have been thrown that game, throwing that

630
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: for at least three or four weeks. Man, But we

631
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: don't get thrown out. And I just baiting them, baiting

632
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: the baiting them. And that made a big play in

633
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: the rest is history. But I hate that we went

634
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: to that point like we've been after that game. Even

635
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: during the end of the game, we were back to

636
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: we were still Yeah, we was talking during the game

637
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: like like we we had healed it. We got it

638
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: all out of us, and we healed it even before

639
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: the end of the game. Man. But I love that brother, man,

640
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: but that hurt my heart that we shouldn't have We

641
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: should like, we shouldn't have got down like that compared

642
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: today's game. So when you play, because I mean, everybody

643
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: is protected now. I think as a defensive player, uh,

644
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: something you're taught completely to do as a youngster. You

645
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: have to completely take it out of your mind. I

646
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: see some guys getting hurd game trying to do it.

647
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that. It's a different game. It's

648
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: it's so much like y'all game, you know now. Back

649
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: then you go to the hold of the playoffs, you

650
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: want to you know basketball, Yeah you're gonna get you

651
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: get put down. Yeah, let him out, And it was

652
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: it was respective. Now you know, they can't get fouled, man.

653
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: So it's the same thing in our game back then. Man,

654
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: you gotta catch like lot in this you know, the

655
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: known hitters in the game. Just cleaning shot with you,

656
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks is gonna get their heads taken off. Now

657
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: you can't touch them. You can't. It's a whole different game,

658
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: which I understand because I'm not the kind of guy saying, man,

659
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: these guys were better than us back then. Man, these

660
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: dudes are bigger, strugger, and faster, and they have different technology.

661
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: They got different workouts. Everybody got a chef. Now everybody

662
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: got home gyms. I mean, these guys are ridiculous, man,

663
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: I mean the size and the physicality of them. You

664
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: got receivers to thirty right now running for threes. Man,

665
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: we ain't had that bull jump back then. These have

666
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: thrown me in at they're playing this game. But it's

667
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: a totally different game. The only difference is I don't

668
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: think guys are playing with the medical capacity. They're playing

669
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: with athleticism, and back back then it was athletes as

670
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: well as the mental part of it. Talk to them.

671
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: So we feel to say that it's similar in basketball,

672
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: Like you have to understand people don't want to see

673
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: because Jack and I were both defenders. Jack had a

674
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: lot of offensive game too, but we also prided ourselves

675
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: on defense. You know, such as you. So it used

676
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: to be a battle, used to be a war. People

677
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: used to get knocked down, people used to get elbow

678
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: Now is a part of the game. Now you can't

679
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: touch anybody, you know what I mean. But you have

680
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: to understand that they're selling a business. It's worldwide because

681
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: of the Steph Curry shooting threes and and these guys

682
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: Duncan they don't want to see no you know Indiana

683
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: Detroit Defensive eight seven eighty five type games. No more.

684
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: So you have to evolve along with the game. Although

685
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: we love and we missed that just like you loved

686
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: and missed the way you played, the game has to

687
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: evolve and if you can get stuck being one of

688
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: them old players like I don't like that ship because

689
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: you just have to understand the evolution of both games. Man,

690
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: you know what I don't like, Man, I don't like

691
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: this spellars just because I like Jordan's talk to him, man,

692
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: just talk out writing Lebron. That don't mean I don't

693
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: like I mean, why say I like vanilla ice cream?

694
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: That don't mean I don't like chocolate? What? What? What?

695
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: Where we come from with this bull jump that we

696
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: gotta put another brother down just because we're like another

697
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: That don't make sense. It's just my preference. It's just

698
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: the media plays a big part in that too, you

699
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean, to create a narrative, create excitement,

700
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: trying to sell something, but fans don't understand that. Players

701
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: don't fall for this ship. But the fans don't understand that.

702
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: Like it's just a battle, you know what I mean,

703
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: Like you don't have to just because I respect his game,

704
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: don't me and I don't funk with his game type

705
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: ship right right, But I'm gonna tell you another thing

706
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: we do as players. Back then, we were just bowling,

707
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: y'all was just bolding. Now they're fishing. But likes they've

708
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: checking the wab to see who lacking them, see who

709
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: hating on them. Folks ain't came back then. You just

710
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: played the game. Man, You just want to get you

711
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: to try to try to give it to him night

712
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: at the night. Now worried about who like you, who

713
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: following you, who riding with you, how many followers you got.

714
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: That's the kind of little challenged bull joker. I just

715
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: don't understand, man, Herman, Instead of focusing on what you're

716
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: putting on the floor, of what you're putting on the ground. Herman.

717
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: Her Herman was told me I was working at ESPNE

718
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: with with him one day and he was like, Jack,

719
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: my apologoe career. I watch. He's like one thing I'm

720
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: gonna tell you about the game that I see and

721
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: he's not even in basketball, he said, he sees this

722
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: about basketball from him from the outside looking in. More

723
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: kids these days are interested and entertained about what the

724
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: game can do for him. Then that they're actually loving

725
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: the game. We didn't have done grow up, so we

726
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: love the game first. That's all we had was basketball.

727
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: We all we had with sports. So once we feel

728
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: like it lies we can make money off. Okay, that's

729
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: a different feeling, but we grew up having no choice

730
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: but to love what we was doing first. And that's

731
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: a big difference. Now they're more they're more interested in

732
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: can do for him. Man, you absolutely right. And Man,

733
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: when I see you outside on the court with your

734
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: like you outside see you you're missing how large that

735
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: is you outside on the court with your kids. Why

736
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: the last time you've seen some real kiss outside playing basketball?

737
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody can play outside no more. Back in the day, man,

738
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: we had down Hey man, I got next and my

739
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: other part of the comp You're gonna be here in

740
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: five minutes, right, Ain't nobody playing outside no more? Then

741
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: if you ain't picked this cat, he gonna don't get

742
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: the ball and busting on the court, so nobody ain't

743
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: don't play. Somebody ain't nobody playing the thing. And then

744
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: this this little dude I've thought to said another name,

745
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: but he gonna take his ball to go home because

746
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: he ain't getting picked. So I'm like, he got to

747
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: get always wanted them, So I don't even see that.

748
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: But when I see you outside, man, playing with your

749
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: short and I'm like, now that's basketball. But we shoot

750
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: until the lights come over, till the lights come on. Yeah, different,

751
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: you know they got so many that's there. I grew up.

752
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: Man say they got so much technology now, and we

753
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: all came from nothing. So I didn't have ship. I

754
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: was from the time. I couldn't wait to get outside

755
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: until the lights came on. All day, sometimes no lunch,

756
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: Sometimes find a way to go get a motherfucking thirty

757
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: nine sing burger from McDonald's. But until the lights came

758
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to be nowhere near the house. I

759
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 1: could go like five or six neighborhoods away. Just remember it. Okay,

760
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: once I could see the sun start, I gotta get

761
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: closer because once my mom and my dad whistle, I

762
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: gotta be home. But it's not like that no more. Man.

763
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: We was funking going to school because my bus, we

764
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: bus stop over the play against this bus stop and

765
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: we fucking because we're playing touch full on the roll.

766
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: But for school, let the bus stop. I bust stops

767
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: stop and we had to go circle. So that that's

768
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: how I used to be. Now, everybody, you ain't working

769
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: out unless you got to train them, unless you got

770
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: seven or seven. But we played though we didn't even

771
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: train them. Like we didn't train. We played. We just

772
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: played all the sports, all different sports. But they never

773
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: had time to train in one area ever because we

774
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: was always onto the I played football, baseball, basketball, and

775
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: track in high school. So I was from sport to

776
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: sport to sport, you know what I mean. There was

777
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: never no training, Like I didn't train for basketball. Football

778
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: is my best sport. But I didn't train for basketball

779
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: till I got to the NBA, you know what I mean.

780
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: Like I was just man, so I know you football,

781
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: I was the number one, the number one receiver in

782
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: the country my senior year had eight touchdowns. Went went

783
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: the broken toe. I was, I was chasing the record,

784
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: so it started as turf toe. You know how bad

785
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: turf toe. So I had to cut my cleats and

786
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: everything played all the way through it and it ended

787
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: up being I ended up breaking it a shattering where

788
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: they had to go in and remove pieces. So that's

789
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: when I went into U c l A while. I

790
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: didn't go out to play football my freshman year because

791
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: I had a major back in the day, like a

792
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: kaiser toe surgery. So the scars like this, long Jack,

793
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: you didn't see how fun up my ship is. So

794
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: my toe was messed up. But we're gonna compare when

795
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: I see you, We're gonna compare my ship. My ship

796
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: still looked good though. They just don't work for nothing.

797
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: Oh no, if I don't he look good. I got

798
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: one that sits so hot and the little ones. I

799
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: got one to sit up like that though. Yeah that's

800
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: how Jack, Hey, Jack, tell us how he used to

801
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: be going to school. Funk. When you were saying a

802
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: minute ago, now I was, I was just that little

803
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: I was pissing the beds. I was about nine. Wait,

804
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: I used to wait. I used to wake up with

805
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: fresh clothes. Are fresh to them? Motherfucker was still smelling

806
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: like piss. Oh look like my older thing. He needed

807
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: to Peter Bear the same one hit drows all over

808
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: the house, man when well, I found drolls. I found

809
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: drows over the house. And man, and we want to

810
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: we want to keep going in, but we want you

811
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: to come in on the show, so we don't want

812
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: to go too deep. So we're gonna end. We're gonna

813
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: give you a few more things. But once all this

814
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: clears that, man, we gotta have you in the studios

815
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: so we can reminisce about how important you are. Gotta

816
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: fly me there. I'm coming. I'm coming on my own,

817
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: straight up, straight up. I'm coming to see y'all. Man.

818
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm coming to sit down and say, look, bad things, y'all.

819
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: Y'all don't understand. Man, y'all moving the needle, your challenging

820
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: culture and you you're provoking change, man. And that's that's

821
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: real talk. And I love that, y'all keeping one hunt

822
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: because I'm saving some good questions I got for y'all,

823
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: because I want to see you. I want to see

824
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: the immediate response to what I want to see. We're

825
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: gonna have a good, long conversation with you. We we're

826
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: gonna finish off of these two things. NBA. You said

827
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: you're big on basketball. Who was your favorite team and

828
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: player growing up? I didn't have a favorite team, but

829
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: I had a favorite player. Uh. Dr J was my guy.

830
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: He was he was a doctor. He was called a

831
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: doctor and he didn't have a pH d. You're talking

832
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: about a brother that we was smooth brother. That was

833
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: swan brother. That was a playoff old playoffs. Oh yeah,

834
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: you know he do. Doc was so Doc was so

835
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: cold back in the day, Man that that he took

836
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: the imagination of a young young cat from folk Mys

837
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: flaughter Man, and I just I just loved everything about

838
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: the duck, howke cared himself on the field and off

839
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: the field, and how people perceived him, how what they

840
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: saw when they saw him. I loved it. So he

841
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: was my guy. He was my guy going up. But see,

842
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: I didn't really have a team that I like because

843
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: I just like certain guys and I like things they

844
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: brought to the table. Man. And you know, Magic was

845
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: bad back there, Magic madgick. You know, that that whole

846
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: thing with them and the Pistons and then with Bird

847
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: and the Celtics. I want the big Celtics fan back then.

848
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: But I love the way they competed. I love their teamwork. Yes, God,

849
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: they played hard. So it was it was so many

850
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: different guys at the ice Man, George Garveld, come on, like,

851
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: come on, man, the ice Man. That's the coldest picture

852
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: ever made, wasn't it. It's the coldest puposed to go

853
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: down in history. We're nice that is that some players

854
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: something man Man that was super player. So I was

855
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: in that era man, and I love those cats. So

856
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: current NBA players and and do you follow teams? Yeah,

857
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: I'm crazy about Braun, you know, I love what. I

858
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: want to interview Braun for CBS when he was in

859
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: high school, and I remember some of the tough analysts

860
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: basketball analysts at the time was hey, no, talking about

861
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: he wasn't this, he wanted that? And why he should?

862
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: Why he had a Hummer H two in high school?

863
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: And I remember being on National teav I said a hummer,

864
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: y'all tripping about a hummer. Any bank would get his

865
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: kid's mother any credit line? They won't because he's about

866
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: to make a hundred time he signs his name and

867
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: you're tripping about a hummer. You should be happy he

868
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: ain't getting a Bentley Roles something. But I knew. I

869
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: went to interview him when he was in high school

870
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: and he had it. When you got it, you you

871
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: you recognize it. Y'all got it, So y'all recognize it

872
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: when you see it. This cat and had it for

873
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: a long time. Man. I love what Vince is given

874
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: to the game. Vince Card, it's a Florida boy. I

875
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: love catching what they've done for the game and how Vince,

876
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: I mean, Vince was that? God? Vin? That's the best

877
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: end game Ducker and I think I've ever seen in

878
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: my life. Yes, yeah, ever ever ever Yeah. So there's

879
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: so many cats that JA crossover. Man, I mean, come on,

880
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: how has he not in the game right now? Jamal Crawford? Man,

881
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: is he not in the game? Has he not in

882
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: the game? That hurts my feelings? That hurt my feelings

883
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: to see him not after did he? What are you

884
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: dropped last game? Fifty? How do you dropping fifty your

885
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: last time on the court and you can't get back

886
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: on the court. Tip of the most six a year. Yeah, man,

887
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: there's al it's a lot of cats. Said that. I

888
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: love I love them real cats, man. I love what

889
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: y'all brought to the game. Told him, Hey, I told Stack,

890
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: I told Stack man, I was a fan. They came. Man,

891
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: when when when he played the Golden State Dog, you're

892
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: talking about whooping the mavericks Man. They physically pumped the

893
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: mavericks Man and Stack was getting buckets. I mean you

894
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: you they had a whole team of dogs and they

895
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: was just you know, you know, you know, man, man,

896
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean that man, Man Man, Matt

897
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: was the leaders at the kind and everybody just followed.

898
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, but y'all y'all was

899
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: different though. Man, y'all y'all had y'all did. First of all,

900
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: y'all didn't kill it. Wouldn't know. Y'all respected the game.

901
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: But on the court, it wasn't no respect the player.

902
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: Like come on, man, know what y'all did to the

903
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: marriage that series? Man came? No, no, it did, because

904
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: you think that it was laughable. They had what they

905
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: had sixty years that year there was the number one

906
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: team in the West. We came in and took game

907
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: one and we knew it was over. We knew it. Yeah,

908
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,479
Speaker 1: But man, the way y'all did it though, Man, I mean, y'all,

909
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: it was like it was like the Hood playing against

910
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: Downtown Dallas. Man, it was like many but let this man,

911
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Bet it was a bad boy. Man. Man,

912
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: people don't understand a bad barring injury. He would have

913
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: been one of the greatest point guards ever, no question. Yeah.

914
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: But in every position and coming off the bench, y'all

915
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: had dogs. Y'all had some nasty dudes that that was

916
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: giving you both ends, you know, and they want to

917
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: give you both in There was some heck of a

918
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: role players. They better play, they roll, they stepped outside,

919
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: they roll, and I saw all that. Man. But shoot,

920
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: I mean I love that series. Man, That's one of

921
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: my favorite series. And I tell Seck every time I

922
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: talked to him to see it that that there was

923
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: unbelieve gotta We got a documentary coming out about that

924
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: team that we believe team. See, that's the kind of

925
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: stuff I want to talk about. Off. I want to

926
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: go every I want to know the first everybody on

927
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: that team who this dude looks really everybody was somebody

928
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: that was the team that everybody likes. So we was

929
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: going hard on and off the court, and it was

930
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: the whole team, the whole team, the whole thing. You

931
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: know what. That's the trip about basketball, because I know

932
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: some basketball pleasant. They've told me some stories I love,

933
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: like athletic stories, like I don't understand how you ain't

934
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: got the twelve or fifteen cats, you know in the

935
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: locker room on an organization, and you've got three different clicks?

936
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: How does that work? So when I hear that, you know,

937
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: but when I hear that y'all was the one team

938
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: you're owning off the court, I love it because nowadays

939
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: it's two or three different clicks. Like this dude got

940
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: he got three cats to roll with him. Okay, he

941
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: got folk cats to roll with him. And these other kids,

942
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: they the other cats, they're just in the middle. They

943
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: don't know which way they want to go. How does

944
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: that work? Man? The Wars was different. That was the

945
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: only team that I've been on my whole career while

946
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: I was in at least two with three people weddings

947
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: on my team. That's how close we were. You know

948
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I can I can say I was

949
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: actually in the way and this Grossman and three people

950
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: on that team in that way. So that's that's how

951
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: close our team was. Still still talk to each other

952
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: to this day. To this day, I gotta I gotta

953
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: begged second. Hold on, hold up, hold up. You know

954
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: we normally have a bagging stetment prime where I asked,

955
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, for stuff. I got some shoes from cold

956
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: and everybody else. Problem. I've been looking for two things

957
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: and I know that you can find him. I need

958
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: a cowboy jersey and the first Dion Nikes with the

959
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: strap on top. Now I know you gotta past in

960
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: the closet. No see, I'm a I'm a number guy.

961
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm a number guy. I've been there for like thirty

962
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: or fourteen years and when I flipped, so I know

963
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: I don't have those. Now, you make a code at

964
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: the company, and I'm pretty sure Tracy T. I'm gonna

965
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: give you a name, and I guarantee you he could

966
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: come up with Tracy T. Because yeah, Tracy T like T.

967
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: He we designed those things together collectively. That's this is

968
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: the first bag I'm in. This banging segment to this

969
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: is gonna be my my entrance. I never asked nobody

970
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: for nothing, but I need for the first time, I

971
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: need a uh, I need a San Francisco Dion and

972
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: then them same shoes. So we're gonna exchange information offline.

973
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: You need to sever I ain't never even as I

974
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: never left in Jack's bangon segment. It's the first time

975
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: for fun that we right have to do a collapse.

976
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: Brod had to do a collap with your shoes. Yeah,

977
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: he did a Type one two. Man, he did a

978
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: Type one two. Thanks to night. We're gonna leave with

979
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: people don't understand that you played in the NFL, in

980
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: the in the NFL and Major League Baseball and on

981
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: a particular date, October eleventh, nine two. Talk to me

982
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: about that day, great bear, you know that, ce Cee.

983
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: That's one thing I can't wait to talk to you

984
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: all about. Like you know, I've never drinking of smoke.

985
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: You know what I know, you know what I know.

986
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: But but but I want to talk to you all

987
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: about that. So then when I came there October level,

988
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: October level, what was that? The two sports? One day?

989
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: Was that day? I I love my football teammates so

990
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: much and back then I was just Baseball was just

991
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: using me too. You know, to come in and pinch

992
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: around and pinch it, do all that stuff later because

993
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: my contract actually ended in June, so I would come

994
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: up with help Baseball just off the scrint that that

995
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: those are my guys when the playoffs, I'm gonna come

996
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: and help you. But the dilemma was I had a

997
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: full time football countract and Baseball was trying to make

998
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: it look like I'm dogging them like my dog, and

999
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: you my countract that over this June. So I'm coming

1000
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: over to help my guys. And it was the two

1001
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: sports on one day, and I had already told him

1002
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: what I was gonna do, and they try to make

1003
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: me seemed like I was the selfish one, the egotistical one.

1004
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to play two sports. And one day

1005
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: you didn't even let me get into during basic and

1006
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: we played against Marino. We're playing against Marino, and you're

1007
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: gonna let think I'm gonna leave that secondary with got

1008
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: me against Dupa Clayton and that more you're at shoe Man.

1009
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: So I had to get there for my guy. I'm

1010
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: gonna tell you what. That was one of the saddest

1011
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: moments of my athletic career and one of the most gratified,

1012
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: like flying in there and when the Cats actually saw

1013
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: me get on the bus the next morning. Dog, when

1014
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: my valcan teams and make saw me get on that

1015
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: during bus that morning and they just started clapping. Man

1016
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: like my dog made in him. I said, in that seat, man,

1017
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: that crossed weird tears, man, because I knew I had

1018
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: done the right thing. And after the game, I was

1019
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: so exhausted mentally and emotionally because you know, I was

1020
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: getting hammered for doing the right thing. Man, I got

1021
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: hammered publicly for doing what was right by my teammates.

1022
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: And I flew back, made it to the baseball game.

1023
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: They ain't thinking about putting me in. I mean, everybody

1024
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: could have got kidnapped off the team. They still wouldn't.

1025
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: They would have forfeited. They was not gonna put me

1026
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: in that day. And I said, cool, we're straight. I'm good.

1027
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: So it got down to the series we played against

1028
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: uh Blue Jays, I believe and David Koone. It's playing

1029
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: I'm bad like seven hundred off David Koone lifetime and

1030
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: baseball is about analytics, so you can't justify not putting

1031
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: me in. And David Koone pitching, and to this day

1032
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: I thank God for David Koones and I would have

1033
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: never played in the World Series had he not. I

1034
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: got in and and and did this thing too. That's

1035
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: a different thing, Like we're gonna dive into who you

1036
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,479
Speaker 1: really were because I think it's unfortunate. You know, maybe

1037
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: this situation obviously crazy and unfortunate. It's giving people a

1038
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: chance to watch older games and really have an appreciation

1039
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: because I really feel like this curve climate doesn't respect well.

1040
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: And I can't speak for everybody, but a majority it's

1041
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: more what have you done for me lately? So for basketball,

1042
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: for football, you're getting to see people such as yourself

1043
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: and do what you do and forget. I just think

1044
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: we forget how amazing you know, the people that pay

1045
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: the way for us are. So I think it's it's great.

1046
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: But we're gonna really dive into that when you come

1047
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: in and sit down and rock with us. Man, But

1048
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: we really want to thank you. Hey, I'm gonna say

1049
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: this is a stack more so than stay. I love you,

1050
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I want you to stay old TV.

1051
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: I want you to so every now I did just

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Speaker 1: break it that a little bit, but we can't do

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Speaker 1: We can't lose you, straight up. We can't lose you

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Speaker 1: because your voice is real. Dog. So you know, I

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Speaker 1: know we yeah, I know, we gotta keep it one hundred,

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Speaker 1: but we need you, dog, sir. Yeah, and man, keep

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Speaker 1: on doing what you're doing. Man, I'm right with you.

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Speaker 1: You know, we all been going through the same old

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Speaker 1: boy Jo. That's you know, God chose you, man, because

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Speaker 1: no matter what you're going through, you coming through the back.

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Speaker 1: All the smoke, like all the smoke. But but we're

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Speaker 1: making it, but we're making it sad. Hey, man, I

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Speaker 1: love y'all. Brother. Man, we appreciate you. Man, I got

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Speaker 1: you with legendary. But he gonna be back. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: come in the s We're gonna really chop it up.

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Speaker 1: But thank you for this special edition up to y'all

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Speaker 1: right here with you Sanders. Hope you guys enjoyed this.

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Speaker 1: Everyone stay sphe something nephew quarter back like I need

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Speaker 1: this side of Jersey now fo time, And we're gonna

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Speaker 1: and me and me and Jack gonna come to one

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Speaker 1: of his games next year. Man, come on, dog, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got you. Come on the sideline, come with y'all. Yeah, alright, man,

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Speaker 1: that's next time. I'm man. I'm definitely called a man.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap. Ut fellow, appreciate. You can catch all

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Speaker 1: Showtime Basketball, you two. We have to hear baby. This

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Speaker 1: life was all I ever wanted. I'm not leaving, not yet.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping you'd say that we gotta hit the streets,

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Speaker 1: make some money. People like us. Let's destroy people like him.

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