Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth. Lazar Zar Lazar, Well, everybody nailed it,
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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex barks. All right, so
Speaker 1: maybe this is where we where we veer off. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: Michael Flour two. I'd probably take michaela flour right now, Alex,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I didn't realize some of the
Speaker 1: other options that were out there. I have come way
Speaker 1: off that take based on who some of these interviews
Speaker 1: have been. We're gonna get into the offensive coordinator search
Speaker 1: for the Patriots here in the second Evan Lazar, Alex
Speaker 1: Barth Patriots Catch twenty two going to be with you
Speaker 1: for the next hour plus. We got some leeway today
Speaker 1: because unfortunately we're not preparing for any sort of game
Speaker 1: or anything right now, so we got some leeway. Let's
Speaker 1: let's tell that this is going to be our time
Speaker 1: slot for the most party for the rest of the offer,
Speaker 1: at least right through the draft. Yes, that's the hope.
Speaker 1: That's not the big announcement, But that's not the big announced.
Speaker 1: I know we've been jumping around people on Twitter always
Speaker 1: asking I feel bad because people want consistency, right, they
Speaker 1: want their schedule. This is gonna be it for the
Speaker 1: next couple months at least. This is going to be
Speaker 1: when we're doing the show YEP two pm and also
Speaker 1: on YouTube. We're gonna be on YouTube YEP. I know
Speaker 1: people like the video version, so we're gonna be on YouTube,
Speaker 1: patriots dot com and on the Patriots YouTube channel for
Speaker 1: those that like the video. We're gonna get into the
Speaker 1: big announcement. You want to do it now. I want
Speaker 1: to do it now because I want to break it down,
Speaker 1: I know, but I want to wait to the end
Speaker 1: of the show because that's how you get people to
Speaker 1: listen to the entire show. That's good radio. I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to be the radio guy. That's good radio. That's fair.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm telling you this, right. I'm just
Speaker 1: all jacked up about them, very exciting. I'm excited about
Speaker 1: it too, But we're gonna get into that. I want
Speaker 1: to start with the coordinator search and I said it
Speaker 1: on Unfiltered I'll repeat my take for people that just
Speaker 1: listen to us here. I'm concerned about some of the
Speaker 1: names that I'm hearing, And the main reason why I
Speaker 1: am concerned is that the number one thing that I
Speaker 1: wanted them to check off in this search and in
Speaker 1: this higher was experience. That was the number one thing
Speaker 1: I cared about. Experience running an NFL offense, calling plays
Speaker 1: in an NFL offense, working with quarterbacks in the NFL experience.
Speaker 1: I think that last year one of the biggest issues
Speaker 1: that you had, along with maybe just the overall knowledge
Speaker 1: on that side of the football, but I think one
Speaker 1: of the bigger issues that you had was that Matt
Speaker 1: Patricia was a first time play caller with a young
Speaker 1: quarterback learning that role on the fly. And I understand
Speaker 1: no quarterbacks coaches, right, I understand that Keenan mccartell and
Speaker 1: Sean Jefferson and Adrian clem those guys grew up on offense.
Speaker 1: They played offense, They grew up in offense, and they
Speaker 1: are way more experienced in terms of their NFL exposures
Speaker 1: to the offensive side of the ball than Matt Patricia
Speaker 1: ever was. So in that respect, they have a lot
Speaker 1: more experience. They have NFL resumes for offensive coaches, no
Speaker 1: doubt about it. But I look at this situation and
Speaker 1: I say, if the guys that they're bringing in are
Speaker 1: and we're going to break down each one of them
Speaker 1: to individually too, but just as a big picture takeaway,
Speaker 1: the guys that they're bringing in, if this is they're
Speaker 1: bringing them in to actually interview them to be a
Speaker 1: part of the staff that they're putting together for Bill
Speaker 1: O'Brien or they're putting together even though I wouldn't love it.
Speaker 1: But if they're putting it together for Doug Marone or
Speaker 1: something like then I can understand the method to the madness.
Speaker 1: But if you're just going to hand the keys to
Speaker 1: the Patriots offense in twenty twenty three over to Sean Jefferson,
Speaker 1: who has been coaching under Cliff Kingsbury, who is the
Speaker 1: offense in Arizona, calls the plays, it's his system, it's
Speaker 1: it's his game. I have hesitations about that, and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have the same hesitations. Like let's say that it
Speaker 1: was Zach Robinson that they're bringing in, because Zach Robinson
Speaker 1: has played quarterback, and Zach Robinson fits that mold of
Speaker 1: former NFL quarterback. He's the Kevin O'Connell right like, he's
Speaker 1: he fits that new age Ken Dorsey that what's going
Speaker 1: on around the league. These guys. I like that they're
Speaker 1: outside the box a little bit. I like that they're
Speaker 1: not necessarily names that all of us may be guessed
Speaker 1: or or maybe names that that have been It's not
Speaker 1: like chat o'shay right, it's not all names like that.
Speaker 1: I know they've played with Belichick or or related somehow
Speaker 1: to Belichick in some way, but they're not really. They're
Speaker 1: not a nosha, They're not like somebody that's just like that, right,
Speaker 1: that's in tr in the Belichick way of thinking. So
Speaker 1: I like that element of it, but I'm very concerned
Speaker 1: about the experienced factor and giving a first time play
Speaker 1: caller another shot here next year. So I think we
Speaker 1: have the exact same take. I'm just looking at a
Speaker 1: glass half full. You're looking at a glass half empty. Shocker, yeah, shockert.
Speaker 1: Sean Jefferson is one of the best wide receivers coaches
Speaker 1: in the League's Calvin Johnson, who knows a thing or
Speaker 1: two about the position. Because because coaching Calvin Johnson to
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame career is that I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: get like, listen, give him credit. Listen, he was Calvin
Speaker 1: Johnson's wide receivers coach for the first six years of
Speaker 1: his career. And Calvin Johnson came from a triple option
Speaker 1: system in college. You're gonna tell me a guy from
Speaker 1: him coming from a triple option system didn't need a
Speaker 1: little bit of help along the way. He did that
Speaker 1: all on his own in that organization. That was a
Speaker 1: nobody does all on its own. But like, are we're
Speaker 1: gonna take Randy Moss's wide receiver coach and say, oh wow,
Speaker 1: look at the great job he did with or Keenan
Speaker 1: McCardell at Justin Jefferson. So well, but here you don't
Speaker 1: put any stock into that fact that he coached, all right,
Speaker 1: I put some in and with mccartyll more impressive to me.
Speaker 1: Let's take McCardell for example. They have some younger receivers,
Speaker 1: Like if he had fixed Jalen Rager, that would have
Speaker 1: been more than he worked with Stefon Diggs in Maryland. McCardell, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, here's my point. Here's my point. They have
Speaker 1: talked to people who have and to what extent they
Speaker 1: were part of the development we can debate. We don't
Speaker 1: really know, but we're around the development of some really
Speaker 1: impressive wide receivers. But this is like this just just
Speaker 1: just listen, all right. Two of the four guys who
Speaker 1: know they've interviewed come from wide receiver backgrounds. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: am totally with you on the fact that I want
Speaker 1: a guy who's called plays before. I want a guy
Speaker 1: who's quarterback focused. I want a guy who's been ahead
Speaker 1: coach before, so he has that sort of reputation. So
Speaker 1: I still take Bill O'Brien over Keenan McCardell or over
Speaker 1: Sean Jefferson. But the fact they're even doing those interviews,
Speaker 1: and I'm with you if you can get one of
Speaker 1: those guys here as the wide receivers coach, and you
Speaker 1: got to give him some sort of bump, right, but
Speaker 1: let's call it wide receivers coach slash passing game coordinator. Right.
Speaker 1: It tells me they are serious about changing the way
Speaker 1: they do things at the wide receiver position, which is
Speaker 1: something they need to do. We've talked about this a
Speaker 1: lot about how they need that true number one, and
Speaker 1: neither one of us are exactly sure, and the class
Speaker 1: is part of this, but we're not exactly sure that
Speaker 1: going into the class is the way that they're going
Speaker 1: to do that, they have to go the expensive route,
Speaker 1: trade for a guy, give them a new contract. I
Speaker 1: still think even if they brought in one of those guys,
Speaker 1: that's the route they should go. But it tells me
Speaker 1: that they are serious about changing the approach at the
Speaker 1: wide receiver position. That is encouraging. It doesn't mean I
Speaker 1: think mccardeller Jefferson should be the number one candidate. I don't.
Speaker 1: I still think it should be O'Brien and even honestly
Speaker 1: with Adrian Clem. Yeah, first of all, Oregon offense last
Speaker 1: year was how it performed versus how it should have performed.
Speaker 1: And maybe this isn't as much on Clem, but again
Speaker 1: he was in the building for this. Bo Knicks by
Speaker 1: the time he was done at Auburn was a complete mess, complete,
Speaker 1: seemed unsalvageable. Goes to Oregon gets in the Heisman conversation. Now,
Speaker 1: Adrian Clem wasn't the one coaching up the quarterback, but
Speaker 1: that was a massive quarterback turnaround, and he was in
Speaker 1: some of those meetings. He was on the staff that
Speaker 1: did it. I also think, did you talk about development.
Speaker 1: Their first round pick needs to be a tackle. We
Speaker 1: both agree on this you need an offensive line coach
Speaker 1: and experienced guy to be to help that guy along.
Speaker 1: So I still think Bill O'Brien's number one candidate. I
Speaker 1: wish they were talking to some more people with quarterback backgrounds,
Speaker 1: a quarterback equivalent of a guy like Adrian Clem or
Speaker 1: a guy like Keenan McCardell. But I do like that
Speaker 1: they are bringing those sorts up people with that sort
Speaker 1: of background into the building to talk to. That to
Speaker 1: me is ass because that's what this staff outside of
Speaker 1: Troy Brown didn't have last year. That viewpoint I come
Speaker 1: back to that if Adrian Clem is coming here as
Speaker 1: the offensive line coach and Keenan McCardell is coming here
Speaker 1: as the wide receivers and pass game coordinator, that's a
Speaker 1: totally different conversation. So this is what again, we're saying
Speaker 1: the same thing, We're just viewing it differently. I I
Speaker 1: need the guy at the top tagline of the show.
Speaker 1: I do to need the guy at the top. I
Speaker 1: need the guy that is going to come in and
Speaker 1: that is going to people are going to look around
Speaker 1: and look at him and see and say that guy
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing right. This guy has experienced, this
Speaker 1: guy has knowledge, this guy is everything makes sense where
Speaker 1: we are all on the same page and we understand
Speaker 1: what the goal is here on offense and what the
Speaker 1: system is and all those types of things. I think
Speaker 1: it's great that your wide receiver point, I think is
Speaker 1: a fair one. And I wonder with all these interviews
Speaker 1: of wide receivers coaches, what this means for Troy Brown's
Speaker 1: future with the team. I wonder if that's a spot
Speaker 1: that they look at and say, we're not coaching this
Speaker 1: well enough here and we need a total new perspective.
Speaker 1: And along those lines, I like the idea that as
Speaker 1: we kind of get into who these people really are,
Speaker 1: that this is going to offer some fresh perspective from
Speaker 1: a conceptual standpoint or schematic standpoint. Where mccartell is in
Speaker 1: that West Coast Shanahan tree, that's the type of coach
Speaker 1: that he is, not just with Kevin O'Connell, but with
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett, with Jay Gruden, with some other coaches that
Speaker 1: he's been under, you know, our offensive coordinators and head
Speaker 1: coaches that he's been under. He's been coaching in the
Speaker 1: West Coast Shanahan style system. So that suggests that he
Speaker 1: would probably run something that resembles that. And we've talked
Speaker 1: about this a lot about the Patriots potentially going in
Speaker 1: that direction. We've we're throwing out names over the last
Speaker 1: Can we throw some breaking news in here real quick?
Speaker 1: And it's sort of we knew according to Ian rapport,
Speaker 1: the Patriots have officially now interviewed Bill O'Brien. So this
Speaker 1: is where this is. I think this is what it
Speaker 1: was happening, and that's I'm glad we got this while
Speaker 1: we were on the air. First of all, I'm excited
Speaker 1: that that's great news. But second of all, this is
Speaker 1: what I think is happening. Because there's a report out there,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how true it is. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be married to it, but there's a report
Speaker 1: out there that Bill Belichick had some sort of meeting
Speaker 1: of the minds with Doug Marone, right, and Doug Moron
Speaker 1: was somebody that he checked in with just to get
Speaker 1: his perspective on some of the offensive coaches, younger coaches
Speaker 1: around the league. In the NFL. It was with New
Speaker 1: Orleans right now, Doug Morone is and now they go in,
Speaker 1: they interview McCardell, they interview Sean Jefferson, they interview Adrian Clem.
Speaker 1: When I look at what they're doing here, I think
Speaker 1: they're putting together a staff. I think they're putting together
Speaker 1: a staff. And then they're interviewed all these other guys
Speaker 1: that getting all these other guys in the building and
Speaker 1: on the know, and now here comes Bill O'Brien to interview,
Speaker 1: to tie it, to tie it all together. And if so,
Speaker 1: now can we go back to my take about it
Speaker 1: would be perfect? Yeah, And that's where I was coming
Speaker 1: from from the from the jump. So I'm glad that
Speaker 1: you brought it your perspective on it, because I don't
Speaker 1: want to come at it from a negative angle one
Speaker 1: hundred percent, because I think that that's a great thing.
Speaker 1: And if I had to put my hat in a
Speaker 1: ring here, a Bill O'Brien Sean Jefferson duo is where
Speaker 1: I would love to see them go. Okay, why Jefferson
Speaker 1: over McCardell, because I like the spread better for mac
Speaker 1: Jones and I like the West. I understand that you
Speaker 1: look out in San Francisco and you see what Brock
Speaker 1: Purdy's doing in that system, and you say, well, why
Speaker 1: why not us? Right? Why can't we do that. I
Speaker 1: think in order to really truly be able to run
Speaker 1: that system, you need to be your last name needs
Speaker 1: to either be shanahan or McVeagh, right, Like, there's only
Speaker 1: a handful of guys that I fully trust in stalling
Speaker 1: that kind of scheme. Now, other guys about you, La
Speaker 1: Floor and Arthur Smith is touched in that category. What
Speaker 1: what McCardell, I think does a little bit more of
Speaker 1: that maybe or what the vic They're more like North
Speaker 1: Turner West Coast, right, so it's not quite as So
Speaker 1: that's the thing, like they ran it's their own, like
Speaker 1: they didn't have cousins going out, you know, moving all
Speaker 1: over they so they do half boot with cousins, where
Speaker 1: like it's a it's a boot, but it's not as
Speaker 1: elongated as like a full on bootlegg So that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I look at what phrasing there, it's great, I look
Speaker 1: at what Cousins did this past season. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think that that's out of the question for Matt Jones,
Speaker 1: like those sorts of so, like I'm I would take
Speaker 1: either one. I'm not really sure which way to go
Speaker 1: McCardell or I guess the interesting thing about Sean Jefferson
Speaker 1: is he has had that associate head coach tag, right,
Speaker 1: so maybe he has a little more of that experience
Speaker 1: in that room. Also, maybe it makes them a little
Speaker 1: harder to get though, if it's not the OC job.
Speaker 1: I I don't think they're not. I don't McCardell's not
Speaker 1: gonna go full Shanahan. No, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: necessarily go full shit. And also do they have the
Speaker 1: speed to run that sort of spread like which which
Speaker 1: branch which direction? In terms of those two offense you
Speaker 1: just laid out requires less personnel change, and they need
Speaker 1: personnel change on offense when we or the other I
Speaker 1: think that they could run Bill O'Brien's twenty eleven offense tomorrow. Okay,
Speaker 1: but you're talking about them running the Cardell's or Jefferson's
Speaker 1: in terms of that. So the reason why I like
Speaker 1: the Jefferson combo better with O'Brien is because I think
Speaker 1: he brings some of that Kingsbury into what they're already
Speaker 1: doing with the Alabama So you like so you like
Speaker 1: the marriage of what Jefferson what the Cardinals are, right,
Speaker 1: I just think that makes more sense because I think
Speaker 1: they're speaking a similar language, okay at that point, but
Speaker 1: I look at that twenty and it's it's beyond twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: I think people hear that and they think of the
Speaker 1: two tight end offense, right. I mean, and that's natural,
Speaker 1: and it's definitely a part of it. And I know
Speaker 1: you have two tight ends here that you're paying a
Speaker 1: lot of money to that you hope you're going to
Speaker 1: get more out of. But I just look at it too,
Speaker 1: just the way that they I think what they were
Speaker 1: trying to do last year was they were trying to
Speaker 1: put Mac in the gun. They're trying to spread the field,
Speaker 1: and it was too volatile. Right, We've been over this
Speaker 1: a million times. It was either there was turnovers, there
Speaker 1: was issues on first and second down with efficiency, and
Speaker 1: there was big plays where there was moments, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't consistent enough. I think what you can get out
Speaker 1: of a guy like Bill O'Brien coming in is that
Speaker 1: you can have something that's a little bit more efficient,
Speaker 1: and that's what that twenty eleven offense was. Right. That
Speaker 1: twenty eleven offense was not necessarily a sixty yard touchdown
Speaker 1: every single time they stepped on the field, right, That
Speaker 1: was an efficient spread pace type of system, and we've
Speaker 1: gone through the numbers on this about the Patriots ability
Speaker 1: to move the ball on non explosive plays and how
Speaker 1: that was such an issue in twenty twenty two. O'Brien's like,
Speaker 1: you said, it's going to fix that. I know we
Speaker 1: don't really do this on the show, but Evan, if
Speaker 1: you'll allow me here because this is interesting, We've got
Speaker 1: one more tweet here for me and rapports. So he
Speaker 1: just reported O'Brien has interviewed past past tense, the Patriots
Speaker 1: have interviewed, and then he added with this literally minute
Speaker 1: ago the page he quote tweets Josina Anderson's tweet from yesterday, yeah,
Speaker 1: saying McCardell will interview on Thursday, which is today, rapaport
Speaker 1: a minute ago. The Patriots aren't done interviewing, but they
Speaker 1: may be by tomorrow. They may be done by Tomart,
Speaker 1: which is now, which would be Friday. So are we
Speaker 1: going to find out Bill O'Brien's the offensive coordinator by tomorrow?
Speaker 1: We'll at five o'clock. Now. That seems to suggest that
Speaker 1: McCardell's the last interview, right, and if they still want
Speaker 1: to talk to him after interviewing O'Brien that does that
Speaker 1: suggest they want McCardell. I don't know. I couldn't be
Speaker 1: ready too much into it, right. What it comes down
Speaker 1: to is what I keep. But I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think, do you do you think is this? It?
Speaker 1: Is this the list? McCardell, Jefferson, Clem O'Brien, Kayley. Are
Speaker 1: those the candidates? I think that that's the staff next year.
Speaker 1: I think they want I know Sean Jefferson and McCardell
Speaker 1: are both going to be here, but also we don't
Speaker 1: know what Kayley's going to be here. I think that
Speaker 1: they are. I think they would ideally like to retain Kayley,
Speaker 1: and I think that's why they gave him the interview
Speaker 1: was as kind of a goodwill gesture of we're gonna
Speaker 1: put your name in the ring, right, We're gonna We're
Speaker 1: gonna try to give you that. But I think the
Speaker 1: biggest thing is is that you look at this and
Speaker 1: I think that this is actually on top of the
Speaker 1: fact that we're also trying, I think, to get some
Speaker 1: fresh perspectives and some new ideas and some new life
Speaker 1: into this coaching estaff, which is important, especially on offense.
Speaker 1: I also think that they're trying to set up some
Speaker 1: sort of longevity with it as well, Where if Bill
Speaker 1: O'Brien gets the job next year and he's the coordinator
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three and he coaches his butt off
Speaker 1: and mac Jones has a great season and the Patriots
Speaker 1: or a top ten offense. Again, Alex, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know as well as I do, he's gonna have head
Speaker 1: coaching offers, right, So when he gets those head coaching offers, well, now,
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien has had Sean Jefferson on the staff with
Speaker 1: him this year, and he's groomed them right, And now
Speaker 1: Sean Jefferson just takes the keys, and he might might
Speaker 1: not be somebody that is as much of a flight risk,
Speaker 1: right like right, he might not be someone that's gone
Speaker 1: after a season or two. He might be able to
Speaker 1: be here for an extended period of time. So again,
Speaker 1: I come back to if all of these other interviews,
Speaker 1: the Clems, the Jefferson's, the McCardell's of the world, were
Speaker 1: all because Bill O'Brien handed them a short list and said,
Speaker 1: this is what I think I would like my staff
Speaker 1: to look like if we had an ideal world and
Speaker 1: they go out and they and they start to make
Speaker 1: connections with those guys. Then Bill O'Brien comes over the top.
Speaker 1: They get the guys that they can get. Maybe they
Speaker 1: don't get all of them, right, but they get a
Speaker 1: couple of them, They get one of them to get
Speaker 1: two of them, and then they go from there. The
Speaker 1: biggest one along with I love your point about the receivers.
Speaker 1: I think that's very valid. Offensive line coach like that,
Speaker 1: I think is a massive, massive thing. Yes, Doug Marone
Speaker 1: is an offensive line coach. He's coached on Bill O'Brien's
Speaker 1: staff before. They have a very very deep rooted relationship.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Doug marone situation is in New
Speaker 1: Orleans in terms of contract, and it would be a
Speaker 1: lateral move and maybe it's offensive line coach and run
Speaker 1: game coordinator, right Like, maybe you put that that title
Speaker 1: on there, so it's not technically a lateral move. But
Speaker 1: I think that that's another one that's a big spot.
Speaker 1: So maybe Doug Marone and Adrian Klamer the finalist to
Speaker 1: be offensive line coach here next year on Bill O'Brien's staff, right, Like,
Speaker 1: maybe that's what they're looking at it and that's what
Speaker 1: they end up doing, then I am fully on board
Speaker 1: with it. I would love it, And I don't know,
Speaker 1: can they get Morone as one of those like I
Speaker 1: think it's his Oh no, he is the offensive line
Speaker 1: coach with the Saints. Can they get him as one
Speaker 1: of those like offensive consultant coaches? Like wasn't that Brett
Speaker 1: Bielma's role when he was here on defense? Yeah? Like
Speaker 1: he didn't have a title, right, he was just like
Speaker 1: a I think he did eventually, but I understand what
Speaker 1: you're saying. It's you know what I mean. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like the quality control but a little bit above.
Speaker 1: This is the NFL version of that. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He was the consultant to the head coach. That was
Speaker 1: his title in twenty eighteen, and he mainly worked with
Speaker 1: the defense them and then he was the defensive line
Speaker 1: coach in twenty nineteen. So could they get you know it,
Speaker 1: we're Adrian Clem as your offensive line coach and Doug
Speaker 1: Morone is just this other guy who's around with some title.
Speaker 1: Because it is still a young staff. If that's you
Speaker 1: do have Bill O'Brien, but beyond him, it's a young
Speaker 1: staff and just having another I don't want to say
Speaker 1: another adult in the room because it implies the other
Speaker 1: guys aren't adults. But guy who's been there, done that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: another another experienced voice. This has been a huge take
Speaker 1: of mine all offseason, Evan is. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: focus on the offensive coordinator, and there should be, and
Speaker 1: rightfully so, but a lot of the times and this
Speaker 1: is what we do on this show that doesn't get
Speaker 1: done on other shows, other shows that got other stuff
Speaker 1: to get to. They want to get to the glitz
Speaker 1: and the glam and whatever, and they say, all right,
Speaker 1: well you get the new offensive coordinator. Everything's fixed to
Speaker 1: move on the getting the offensive coordinators. Big. But there
Speaker 1: was that great piece on NFL Network last week. I
Speaker 1: think I sent it to you about Ivan Fears and
Speaker 1: Dante's karnet. Yeah, and how impactful they were. They're here
Speaker 1: for twenty years, right they left. McDaniels had been the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach here for a decade and then going back
Speaker 1: to his first stint, he's no longer here. Right. It's
Speaker 1: not just the offensive coordinate. They used to have one of,
Speaker 1: if not the best positional coaching staff groups in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Between McDaniels Scars obviously the Highlights Fears offensive staff. I
Speaker 1: would be hard I don't. Yeah, so I'll name the
Speaker 1: names in a second. Yeah, I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: enough about like Bill Walsh's staff, or Don Corriel's staff,
Speaker 1: or or some of the legendary offense of minds. But
Speaker 1: I would be hard pressed to find a better offensive
Speaker 1: coaching staff in NFL history than the twenty sixteen Patriots.
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel offensive coordinator, Dante Scarneckia offensive line coach, Ivan Fears,
Speaker 1: running backs coach, Brian Dable tight ends, Chadow Shay wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Who's the quarterbacks coach McDaniels, Yeah, Chopinski here. No, So
Speaker 1: they had some other lower guys were we're already there, right,
Speaker 1: you know some guys I yeah, Kaylee was like an
Speaker 1: offensive assistant. Yeah, Mike Pellegrino's obviously the quarterback corner backs.
Speaker 1: Excuse me with the Sea coach that he was a
Speaker 1: low level assistant at that point in time. But just
Speaker 1: to think about that staff, right, and Dabel might end
Speaker 1: up being the best one out of all, right, and
Speaker 1: he was just the coach should be Coach of the Year,
Speaker 1: He should be Coach of the Year this year. I'm saying, Um,
Speaker 1: the point being, look, you're not necessarily going to get
Speaker 1: back to that level, right, You're just like you said,
Speaker 1: it's so absurd. But the Patriots did this great job
Speaker 1: over twenty years. If they were always guys in the pipeline,
Speaker 1: like they went from Kernell to Dean Peas, but like
Speaker 1: Dan Pas was an assistant under Kernell, and then Matt
Speaker 1: Patricia was an assistant under Peas, right, and then Brian
Speaker 1: Flores was an assistant under Patricia, And there's just this pipeline.
Speaker 1: And you kind of had it on the offensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball too, where you had McDaniels work under
Speaker 1: Weiss and then you had O'Brien work under McDaniels. They
Speaker 1: that pipeline sort of stopped on the offensive side. I
Speaker 1: think on the defensive side of the ball it still exists.
Speaker 1: I liked their staff on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: I really do. UM, But I think DeMarcus Covington he's
Speaker 1: gonna coordinate the shrine. He sneaky up and coming, like
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that that they have in
Speaker 1: the pipeline on defense. We obviously know how much they
Speaker 1: loved Gerard Mayo based on the statement last week, right,
Speaker 1: But I think that getting to bring it back to
Speaker 1: the point, this is not that offensive staff. The pipeline
Speaker 1: has dried up. They need to reinvigorate not just the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator job, at the positional coaches as well, because
Speaker 1: those guys are so much more important than people realize.
Speaker 1: And again, we look at this list, it's sort of
Speaker 1: like we just talked about, and I actually just typed
Speaker 1: it out here, just the list of interviewees, and you've
Speaker 1: alluded to this O'Brien, McCardell, Jefferson, clem Kayley. That's a staff.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's the staff. So get the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator hired. But after that, we're not done with
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. Who's who's the three big ones, who's
Speaker 1: the QB coach, who's the wide receiver's coach, who's the
Speaker 1: offensive line coach? Gotta get those answered. And even if
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien is the quarterbacks coach on top of being
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, which he was his first stint here,
Speaker 1: and McDaniels was at the end of his time here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: McDaniels was for a decade forever. Yeah, and then Jed
Speaker 1: Fish I think stopped that streak. And then bo heart
Speaker 1: Agree comes in and well, so here's in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: McDaniels was the quarterbacks coach. Heart Agree was listed as
Speaker 1: an offensive assistant, but it was pretty clear just watching
Speaker 1: that he was the assistant quarterbacks coach. Yea, even if
Speaker 1: O'Brien is the OC and quarterbacks coach, he's got to
Speaker 1: go do other offensive coordinator stuff at times. Go get
Speaker 1: that assistant quarterbacks coach whoever. I don't have a name. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: it'd help this take if I had a name name
Speaker 1: a former quarterback who's in coaching or wants to get
Speaker 1: into coaching. That's just gonna live on Max Hip and
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien's gonna be there and he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: big part of it. But when Bill's got to go
Speaker 1: meet with the other coaches to come up with the
Speaker 1: game plan, Max still got a coach there with him.
Speaker 1: I think that Bohart Agree was an understated loss when
Speaker 1: he went to Vegas with Josh McDaniels and Soam and
Speaker 1: Chaplinsky on the field, right, filling that role would be
Speaker 1: would be big. Okay, let's take Patty's call. If you
Speaker 1: want to call in and give your your take asks
Speaker 1: the questions eight five five pats five hundred. You can
Speaker 1: also email us at web radio at Patriots dot com
Speaker 1: and then, uh, let's answer Patty's question or take his call.
Speaker 1: Then we're gonna get into his positional needs and we'll
Speaker 1: circle act to this at the end and make sure
Speaker 1: we button this up. But we got to the announcement,
Speaker 1: so oh in the announcement, of course, Satty, Patty, what's up? Man?
Speaker 1: I can't take credit for this question. I think it
Speaker 1: was either Russ Goldman or Steve Bellistry that that sort
Speaker 1: of had this hypothesis. But if you're your Belichick, your Craft,
Speaker 1: you're the ownership group, you do you like put all
Speaker 1: your chips on on Nick Kayley to hopefully have him stay.
Speaker 1: And let's say O'Brien signed a two year contract. You
Speaker 1: have him out of the contract, but have Nick Kayley
Speaker 1: as that offensive coordinator in waiting. So you're saying you
Speaker 1: would give Nick Kayley assurances that he would be the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator eventually to keep him on the Patriots staff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know, I mean, this is this is sort
Speaker 1: of a I mean, if if everything goes well, this
Speaker 1: is just sort of a like patting your resume for
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien. So I don't like if if they do
Speaker 1: a hire him, I don't see him here past two years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good question, Patty, And that was
Speaker 1: thanks for the call. I think that's why when we
Speaker 1: were talking about Sean Jefferson and KINGO McCardell as kind
Speaker 1: of waiting in the wings with O'Brien bridging that gap now,
Speaker 1: but it couldn't be Kayley, how long's he gonna wait? Right?
Speaker 1: They already made him wait this year and he's been
Speaker 1: he's been on staff for eight years. I mean, in theory, yeah,
Speaker 1: you could do that. I don't know that Kayley agrees that. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't know that O'Brien agrees to that. Having the
Speaker 1: next guy right there over his shoulder to one thing
Speaker 1: Patty said, I would push back on a little bit
Speaker 1: that this is just patting his resume for Bill O'Brien.
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien was supposed to get a big time college
Speaker 1: football head coaching gig. When the season started, he had
Speaker 1: he took Bryce Younger the heisman. That offense was a wagon. Now.
Speaker 1: They lost a lot of talent in the draft, and
Speaker 1: you kind of had this epiphany the other night. I'd
Speaker 1: been trying to tell you about it. Alabama's offensive personnel
Speaker 1: this past year, like the players, wasn't what it's typically been.
Speaker 1: No love Jimir Gibbs. I think he can play the
Speaker 1: wide receivers. That that chain of going, you know, all
Speaker 1: the way back to really Julio Jones under Sabin, that
Speaker 1: run of wide receivers. They lost a couple of guys
Speaker 1: in the draft, Aggie Hall transferred to Texas, dried up
Speaker 1: a little bit, but the numbers weren't there, the production
Speaker 1: wasn't there, that the success wasn't there. This isn't Bill
Speaker 1: O'Brien patting his resume. This is him trying to get
Speaker 1: a reset. It's it's an interesting thing about Alabama's offense.
Speaker 1: And you and I are gonna keep hammering this. If
Speaker 1: they do make this higher and they hire Bill Brian
Speaker 1: and I know people are gonna all you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're making excuses for him. It's Alabama I have never seen.
Speaker 1: I look, I watch Alabama tape for the last three
Speaker 1: or four years. In the draft season, every single year
Speaker 1: they got seventeen guys right that you're watching wide receivers,
Speaker 1: lineman quarterbacks. Obviously with Mac running backs, I watched him
Speaker 1: every offseason. I watch Alabama a hundred times. On offense,
Speaker 1: I have never seen an Alabama receiving course so slow
Speaker 1: in the four years that i've really seriously as they
Speaker 1: have no speed at receiver comparative comparatively speak. When you
Speaker 1: watched Alabama's offense, it remind you of the Patriots twenty
Speaker 1: two offense at all in terms of that. Yes, well
Speaker 1: not just the whole thing was built around Jamire Gibbs
Speaker 1: at running back, like they used Jamire Gibbs like the
Speaker 1: Patriots use Romontres Stevenson. If he wasn't creating the play
Speaker 1: like Cameron Laws to the tight end had a couple
Speaker 1: nice plays. Yeah, he's kind of Hunter Henry right, yeah, right.
Speaker 1: Beyond that, there was Bright It wasn't Price Young's fault.
Speaker 1: It was I mean, he was hurt for part of
Speaker 1: the year, so in that sense, I don't know that
Speaker 1: he was one hundred percent, but it did. Now, again
Speaker 1: that's because of the personnel. I don't think that's Bill
Speaker 1: O'Brien deciding to do that. They tried to throw the
Speaker 1: ball early. They couldn't do it, so they just built
Speaker 1: the whole thing around Gibbs. It's crazy to watch that
Speaker 1: because when you see, for example, just I have a
Speaker 1: million cutups of Bill O'Brien stuff for fully, I've already
Speaker 1: prepared for when they make this higher, right, just you
Speaker 1: have stuff prepared for the other guys too, write a
Speaker 1: little bit. I have to get in Jefferson, and well,
Speaker 1: I guess Jefferson. I have all my my Cliff, my
Speaker 1: Cliff folder, which will be all Jefferson stuff as well.
Speaker 1: But with with O'Brien, when you pull clips from the
Speaker 1: twenty one Bama offense and then you pull clips from
Speaker 1: the twenty two Bama offense, it's like it's like a
Speaker 1: totally different team, right, I mean it just Bryce Young
Speaker 1: still there. Well, they lost so much talent. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: the receiving corps is not I was watching their film
Speaker 1: against ole Miss from this past season. The old Miss
Speaker 1: secondary was covering their receivers no problem. When's the last
Speaker 1: time that you could say that an ole Miss defense
Speaker 1: could keep up with Alabama like in a and now
Speaker 1: now heading that type of speed game. They actually had
Speaker 1: some ballers in the secondary. I can't remember they have
Speaker 1: one corner that that I like that he's not eligible,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you're right, I'm just trying to flex some
Speaker 1: college football stuff. You are right, Yeah, it was. It
Speaker 1: was tough to watch at times, all right, so that
Speaker 1: we got a couple of questions here um as well
Speaker 1: on the email that about Doug Marone. You know, how
Speaker 1: likely is it that they can pull him out of
Speaker 1: New Orleans. I think it's likely because of the relationship
Speaker 1: that he has with O'Brien, right, if O'Brien is the
Speaker 1: coordinator here, right, Apparently they go way way roommates I heard.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's the wives were roommates. The
Speaker 1: wise were roommates. But they also apparently coach coached together
Speaker 1: at the Coastguard Academy. Who knows, Hey, I go back.
Speaker 1: I have called Coastguard Academy football. They run the triple option.
Speaker 1: They go way back. But if you're bringing in a
Speaker 1: guy like Marone to be a line coach, then then
Speaker 1: Adrian Clem is out right, like Adrian Clem is not
Speaker 1: going to come here and give up all those titles
Speaker 1: in Oregon to be the assistant offensive line Well, unless
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where again, like I said that,
Speaker 1: you know Clems the offensive line coach, and Marone is
Speaker 1: just this other sort of guy, or like the Michael
Speaker 1: Lombardi role or or yeah, yeah, that's why keep going
Speaker 1: back to that Bill Moro because it feels comparable. I
Speaker 1: think that too, because if that report is true that
Speaker 1: Bill was in New Orleans to talk to Doug Morone, Yeah,
Speaker 1: then something tells me that there is an maybe Bill
Speaker 1: needs that offensive consultant. Right, Bills a defensive guy, we
Speaker 1: know that, so maybe he's looking at Moron as sort
Speaker 1: of this this offensive guy that's been an offense for
Speaker 1: a hundred years and knows the ins and outs of
Speaker 1: the coaching cycle and all that type of stuff. So
Speaker 1: it's definitely possible. But that's the news of the hour
Speaker 1: right now. The Patriots officially did interview Bill O'Brien for
Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator role, And as Alex and I have
Speaker 1: been saying, if all these other interviews are just to
Speaker 1: build a staff for Bill O'Brien, then everything sort of
Speaker 1: falls into place and the awesome Yeah, then this is
Speaker 1: as good as you could have hope for. All Right,
Speaker 1: I want to change gears here, and if there's any
Speaker 1: more offensive coaching staff. I see stuff. We're definitely going
Speaker 1: to get into it, but we want to get to
Speaker 1: positional needs we didn't have. Did you say there are questions?
Speaker 1: There was a couple of that. Was it okay? And
Speaker 1: if you want to call on eight five five pass
Speaker 1: five hundred again, is the is the phone number? I
Speaker 1: want to get into these positional needs. Kind of pivot
Speaker 1: here from the coaching staff to the roster. Because we're
Speaker 1: talking so much about the coaching staff all over the
Speaker 1: place on Patriots dot com bat I don't feel like
Speaker 1: we're talking a whole lot about the roster. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's great to have good coaches, but you have to
Speaker 1: good let's burch that and we kind of talked about
Speaker 1: it before, at least on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: Isn't who they hire going to somewhat dictate the personnel?
Speaker 1: I would hope so, And I mean that as in
Speaker 1: I would hope that they are going to give him
Speaker 1: the power to dictate some of the personnel. I understand
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien's track record with personnel and Houston was horrible.
Speaker 1: I mean that DeAndre Hopkins trade probably got him fired.
Speaker 1: I get that, but I still trust Bill O'Brien more
Speaker 1: than I trust their current brain trust to drop this offense.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We've talked about it, and I don't think
Speaker 1: it's their number one need. I think it's number three.
Speaker 1: They need that big, number one receiver that's gonna dictate.
Speaker 1: Just here's my point. Yes, the guy that O'Brien's gonna
Speaker 1: want might be different than the guy McCardell wants or
Speaker 1: Jefferson wants. Right, and if they're gonna run different schemes,
Speaker 1: they might want different guys. And maybe that's a part
Speaker 1: of I think the lore for me of a guy
Speaker 1: like Sean Jefferson or Keenan McCardell is actually their scouting
Speaker 1: ability to look at this is what I'm saying, changing
Speaker 1: the development. Look, if I'm in the room doing these
Speaker 1: interviews with Bill and whoever else is in there, I
Speaker 1: would assume Bill's in there. Yeah. One of the first
Speaker 1: questions I'm asking is, all right, we've determined we need
Speaker 1: to go get Mac Jones, the guy. It's the third year.
Speaker 1: We want our A j Brown, our STEFONDI who do
Speaker 1: you like offensive coordinator candidate who? And I don't there's
Speaker 1: no right if I was the office, there's no right
Speaker 1: or wrong answer. Well I was offensive ahead, I'll interview you.
Speaker 1: If I was the offensive coordinator candidate, I'd flipped the
Speaker 1: script and I'd say, who do you like? Because no offense,
Speaker 1: you're the one with the bad track record? Right, Like
Speaker 1: i I'm Keenan McCardell. I've got Justin Jefferson. I can't
Speaker 1: remember their other receiver's name. Who's actually been j Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's Osborne or Whatever's good? Isn't jo or terrible that
Speaker 1: he's he's developed into a nice player. I think some
Speaker 1: of the Cardinals is Joe. Yeah. I think some of
Speaker 1: the Cardinals receivers outside of DeAndre Hopkins take it or
Speaker 1: leave it. But I think some of those guys have potential.
Speaker 1: Rondel Moore, if he can stay healthy, certainly has potential.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think those guys all have better track records,
Speaker 1: no offense too than the Patriots. No. But but but
Speaker 1: my point is, like they might all say different guys, right,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna like, all right, Well, I'm just let's say,
Speaker 1: all right, because he's with the Colonels, Let's say Sean
Speaker 1: Jefferson sits down and says I'm bringing Deandredre and he
Speaker 1: gives this this. Then he talked to Bill O'Brien, who
Speaker 1: has the history right with with DeAndre, Habinson says, I
Speaker 1: think and he's been in Albam. You know, I want
Speaker 1: to go get Jerry Judy, right, you're gonna sit there
Speaker 1: and discuss that, right, Yeah, and then if they both
Speaker 1: get hired that So I think that you have to
Speaker 1: talk about the staff first because you need to know
Speaker 1: what the plan is going to be before you can
Speaker 1: start plugging players into that plan. We can, of course
Speaker 1: do needs, but I'm just saying I think that's a
Speaker 1: good thing. I think that we talk a lot, especially me,
Speaker 1: to talk so much about scheme and concepts and things
Speaker 1: like that. But at the end of the day, to
Speaker 1: this coaching staff and this they got to make the
Speaker 1: players work too, right, Right, It's not just about well,
Speaker 1: what's your system and what do you want to run
Speaker 1: and conceptually what do you believe mac Jones would be
Speaker 1: good at? Like, it goes beyond that too, to the
Speaker 1: other positions as well. All right, let's go five to one.
Speaker 1: We didn't do this last week and I regretted it.
Speaker 1: So I want to go five to one. We're gonna
Speaker 1: leave the best for last or the number one need
Speaker 1: that we both have for last. So we ranked them
Speaker 1: one through five. I think you wrote a piece that
Speaker 1: it was like every single position groups didn't. No, I
Speaker 1: did my ten point your ten off season plan, full
Speaker 1: plan from coaching to the draft. So I have positional
Speaker 1: need posting out coming out tomorrow that is has more
Speaker 1: than just Matt doositional needs. I bet we're here, we're
Speaker 1: going to do one through five, just for time purpose,
Speaker 1: five through one, five through one through one. Excuse my
Speaker 1: number five need on my list here for the Patriots
Speaker 1: is inside linebacker, off ball linebacker. So I understand that
Speaker 1: they like Juwan Bentley and I like Juan Bentley. I
Speaker 1: think Jowan Bentley has a role that is always going
Speaker 1: to be in Bill Belichick's defense. The hard hitting Mike
Speaker 1: Sure that's going to forever exist in a Bill Belichick defense. Now,
Speaker 1: according to Next Gen, they have gotten more zone heavy
Speaker 1: since twenty nineteen. They just cant that pendulum. It just
Speaker 1: continues to swing towards zone coverage and now this past
Speaker 1: season they were sixty four percent zone, which in the
Speaker 1: Next Gen era is the most zone they've ever played.
Speaker 1: Under Bill Belichick. Now, a lot of that I think
Speaker 1: has to do with the fact of who their corners are, right,
Speaker 1: and they don't feel confident. They don't have a Gilmore,
Speaker 1: they don't have a Law, they don't have a Reeves,
Speaker 1: they don't have a Talib, they don't have that number
Speaker 1: one corner that he has Jamar Chase. He has Stefon
Speaker 1: Diggs that they can really rely on and trust on
Speaker 1: in that role. But I also just think that this
Speaker 1: is the league now of more split safety coverage, more
Speaker 1: zone coverage. You're playing Josh Allen, you're playing Burrow, You're
Speaker 1: playing Miami's. Like, you can't just sit in man against
Speaker 1: those teams all the time. You gotta mix it up.
Speaker 1: You gotta do some different things. You gotta play softer.
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, if you try to go toe to toe
Speaker 1: in the ring with Tyreek Hill for four quarters when
Speaker 1: two is healthy, you're gonna get burnt eventually. That's just
Speaker 1: the nature of the Beast. So I think zone is
Speaker 1: a thing that's going to continue to happen. And I
Speaker 1: look at inside linebacker and every offseason we talk about
Speaker 1: speed at linebacker, speed at linebacker, But if they're gonna
Speaker 1: be sixty four percent zone until at least they find
Speaker 1: that golden goose corner. They need to be more athletic
Speaker 1: at that spot, because Juwan Bentley and Joanni Tavai they
Speaker 1: did their best. But if you're gonna be a truly
Speaker 1: dynamic zone coverage defense, then you have to have speed
Speaker 1: and range at linebacker. You just do. And the name
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you is another take of
Speaker 1: mind with this offseason. I think the one thing that
Speaker 1: you can take away from the twenty twenty one free
Speaker 1: agency spending spree for the Patriots is that I would
Speaker 1: rather pay top of market money to top of market
Speaker 1: players then pay top of market money to the Nelson
Speaker 1: Agaloors and the Johnny Smith of the world, just because
Speaker 1: you need a tight end. So the guy that I
Speaker 1: look at in this free agency class that I think
Speaker 1: fills a need to a degree but also would just
Speaker 1: make the team better is Tremaine Edmunds from Buffalo. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: if he becomes a free agent and Buffalo, they could
Speaker 1: make it work. But let's face it, they got a
Speaker 1: lot of mouse to feed and buffs up players up
Speaker 1: Allen's extensions about to kick in, Someone's going to be
Speaker 1: the off band out and Mulana is an All Pro
Speaker 1: player this year, right, just got first team All Pro.
Speaker 1: So Tremaine Edmonds still is two hundred and fifty two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five pounds, He's six foot four, two fifty.
Speaker 1: I think he's a freak. He's got that athletic freakishness
Speaker 1: to him, a little like Jamie Collins in that respect,
Speaker 1: in terms of the body type and the athleticism off
Speaker 1: the charts. I just think that that's the type of
Speaker 1: player that I would rather pay Tremaine Edmonds the bag
Speaker 1: than pay the bag to a wide receiver, just because
Speaker 1: that it's a bigger need, right, Marcus Peters, Right, just
Speaker 1: because it's a bigger need. So that's where I'm at
Speaker 1: at off all linebacker. Where's your what's your number five need?
Speaker 1: My number five need is safety, specifically deep safety. I
Speaker 1: think that Devin mccordy kind of laid the breadcrumbs as
Speaker 1: the guy who might be ready to walk away, And
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how important that deep safety
Speaker 1: role is in the Patriots events. Even if they are
Speaker 1: going to beat more zone, I don't think they're gonna
Speaker 1: shift that drastically. Yeah, so getting a guy who can
Speaker 1: play that center field, who his experience there maybe, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can get a guy who's done both, but not
Speaker 1: a guy who's just a purely box safety. Right, So
Speaker 1: I mentioned Poyer's contract is up, Jesse Bates, those are
Speaker 1: the two top safeties, Like, if you're gonna pay top
Speaker 1: of the market to replace Devin mccordy, and this is
Speaker 1: a spot you might not be able to address in
Speaker 1: the draft because in college football there really aren't a
Speaker 1: ton of true free safeties anymore. It's it's a problem
Speaker 1: everybody plays everything right. And a lot of these college
Speaker 1: teams in college when you watch college film, except the
Speaker 1: SEC because that's that's basically an NFL light. But when
Speaker 1: you watch like the Pac twelve, it's quarters. The whole
Speaker 1: game is quite They sit in quarters and they hit
Speaker 1: the top on the defense and that's split safety. And
Speaker 1: you see a lot of split safety shells in the
Speaker 1: college game. And now it's trickling up to the NFL.
Speaker 1: So again, Bates and Poyer, interesting free agency if it's
Speaker 1: a spot that they feel like they can coach up
Speaker 1: and they can maybe go second tier. I look at it,
Speaker 1: guy like Von Bell, Yeah, Taylor wraps a guy that
Speaker 1: just seems like the kind of I thought it was
Speaker 1: like draft Yeah, yeah, I mean special team's experiences. But
Speaker 1: now that's you need to coach him up. You need help,
Speaker 1: maybe a draft a guy to compete, but they can't
Speaker 1: spend top tall or everywhere. I know the cap can
Speaker 1: be manipulated, but at the end of the day, there
Speaker 1: is a soft limit. But I think free safety, if
Speaker 1: Devin leaves, is a very understated need. I'm a little
Speaker 1: surprised they didn't get ahead of it. Last year. It
Speaker 1: was a sneaky good year for deep safeties in the draft.
Speaker 1: Uh what's his name? In Detroit? Who picked off Rogers
Speaker 1: three times this year? From Illinois? Kirby, Kirby Joseph. We
Speaker 1: were on Kirby. I thought I thought he was like
Speaker 1: the next Devin mccordy. I'm looking at him like, this
Speaker 1: is a Devin mccordy. Kind of got sized too, is
Speaker 1: a big but I Syracuse right, Illinois, Illinois right Colors, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Colors. He had the approximate rank in your conference.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so peel mcguy too. So number four for
Speaker 1: me is free safety. So we're speaking the same language.
Speaker 1: I look at Jesse Bates, and I say, if that
Speaker 1: guy doesn't get re up by Cincinnati, it's the same
Speaker 1: as Tremata. I would rather pay Jesse Bates right because
Speaker 1: I know that he's a stud I know he's a
Speaker 1: great player at his position. I think he'd be great here.
Speaker 1: He can play center field. And I also look at it.
Speaker 1: They've done this in the past, and I think they
Speaker 1: got away from it a little bit two free agencies
Speaker 1: ago because they're just throwing money around. But in the
Speaker 1: past they would rather pay the less premium position, a
Speaker 1: little bit more of affordable deal, but get the best player. Right.
Speaker 1: So instead of paying I go back to the corner
Speaker 1: and like Marcus Peters and some of the other free
Speaker 1: agent corners that are out there. Instead of paying those
Speaker 1: guys top dollar corner money, which is fifteen sixteen million,
Speaker 1: you know, JC Jackson level contracts, Jesse Bates is going
Speaker 1: to come in at like eleven or twelve because safety
Speaker 1: isn't deemed as a premium position compared to corner. But
Speaker 1: as you just broke down, and I agree with everything
Speaker 1: you said, the importance of that role in this defense
Speaker 1: is different than other defenses. Post safety in this defense
Speaker 1: is a premium role because you are time and time
Speaker 1: again going to be the last line of defense, and
Speaker 1: you are also the primary help to multiple people on
Speaker 1: the field. And their entire coverage system is predicated on
Speaker 1: funneling outside leverage man coverage corners, funneling receivers into the
Speaker 1: middle of the field help like that's that's their entire
Speaker 1: defensive structure in man whether it's robber or whether it's
Speaker 1: man free. When it's man free, it's even more exacerbated
Speaker 1: on the free safety because they'll play man free and
Speaker 1: then they'll rush five right, they use that five h
Speaker 1: rush package. When you get into that, you have no robber.
Speaker 1: So it's the free safety in the middle of the
Speaker 1: field is literally the only help guy anywhere on the field.
Speaker 1: If your corners are not getting great free safety help,
Speaker 1: then they're screwed. They're screwed because you're just you're you're
Speaker 1: making them cover the whole field one on one. If
Speaker 1: you listen to like Stefan Gilmour talk about this in
Speaker 1: nineteen I thought that he talked about this a ton
Speaker 1: really eloquently. He was able to eliminate routes from his
Speaker 1: mind because he knew Devin had a his help, right,
Speaker 1: So he would say from this alignment, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: worry about a post because I know if he runs
Speaker 1: a post that Devin's going to be there. So what
Speaker 1: all I'm gonna do is I'm gonna sit on a
Speaker 1: vertical and I'm gonna sit on something underneath, right, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play trail and I'm gonna be underneath the receiver.
Speaker 1: And that's if you watch, like his interceptions from that season,
Speaker 1: half of them are in underneath trail technique because he
Speaker 1: just knows that Devin is over the top and he
Speaker 1: knows he's not gonna get beat vertically because of that.
Speaker 1: So that role is just extremely vital to everything that
Speaker 1: they do. And if Devin does retire, I would love
Speaker 1: to see them back up the brings for Jesse Bates.
Speaker 1: So I think that he's the perfect transition. And I
Speaker 1: look at Cincinnati. We're probably gonna talk about te Higgins,
Speaker 1: sorry Trags, but they don't got deep pockets in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: and that roster is loaded. So now we're getting to
Speaker 1: the point where some of those guys are coming up
Speaker 1: and they can't afford to keep everybody because they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to pay Joe Burrow fifty. They're gonna have to
Speaker 1: pay Jamar Chase thirty and then you start to think
Speaker 1: about paying some of the other guys, right, So that's
Speaker 1: gonna be a big thing. All right, Who's did you
Speaker 1: give number four? Yet? No? You what's number four? Corner?
Speaker 1: Specifically big corner, not a slot guy, not five eight,
Speaker 1: five ten. The number I've set is six one or
Speaker 1: taller because I like something. I like the corners they have.
Speaker 1: I do you know Jonathan Jones a free agent. Will
Speaker 1: see what happens with him, Jack Jones five eleven, he's
Speaker 1: your tallest corner signed beyond twenty twenty three. Jalen Millson
Speaker 1: during the final year's contract, you're gonna have to go
Speaker 1: through the Bengals all six one and taller. I think
Speaker 1: the Raiders are probably gonna turn things around. That's a
Speaker 1: team with a lot of big receivers. You saw how
Speaker 1: that height tested them this year. The Bills have a
Speaker 1: lot of bigger receivers as good as their guys are
Speaker 1: across the board. Again, I like John Jones, I like
Speaker 1: Jack Jones, I like Marcus Jones five eleven and shorter,
Speaker 1: all of them at a certain point size his size.
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones is out there running step for step with
Speaker 1: te Higgins in Week sixteen, but at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, Joe Burrow just throws a jump ball and
Speaker 1: that's all she wrote. It's not that Marcus Jones can
Speaker 1: do about that. And there's a couple of guys that
Speaker 1: could get in free. I think adding a veteran too,
Speaker 1: Like if you can give me, give me like a
Speaker 1: six one six two veteran on a one year deal
Speaker 1: who can be like an older voice in a young room.
Speaker 1: Give them some support on the outside against those bigger teams.
Speaker 1: That's guys like James Bradberry, a guy like rock y'all
Speaker 1: sin right, I love James Bradberry. I think in this draft,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you've dug into Kansas State, Evan.
Speaker 1: They did play Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. Yes, I
Speaker 1: watched that tape, Julius Brent's six foot go ahead, six
Speaker 1: four fluid hips. Yeah, y'all remember how I was into Tree,
Speaker 1: not the same guy, but this is this is a
Speaker 1: similar thing where you just don't find guys built like him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't know that his technique is perfect, but
Speaker 1: they can coach that, right, you just get that guy
Speaker 1: in the building, something good is going to happen. There's
Speaker 1: some other big corners I like in this draft. Eli
Speaker 1: Ricks and Alabama is another one. Right, I might keep going,
Speaker 1: but the one I'm worried about is like what I
Speaker 1: could see them doing. There's a guy Evan I talked
Speaker 1: to you about him off the air named Trey Hodges Tomlinson. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's led Daniel Tomlinson's nephew. He plays it at TCU.
Speaker 1: He was the isn't he just Marcus Jones? He was
Speaker 1: named the I forget the name of the Award. He
Speaker 1: was college Football's Corner of the Year this year. He
Speaker 1: was excellent, Yeah, excellent, played exclusively on the boundary. He's
Speaker 1: five eight. Hey's Marcus Jones, And I'm worried they're gonna
Speaker 1: look at him and say, we just turned Jonathan Jones
Speaker 1: into a boundary corner. We just turned Marcus Jones into
Speaker 1: a boundary corner. I think Trey Hodges Tomlinson is really good.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a fourth round pick because of the size,
Speaker 1: third or fourth round pick. I think he's an incredible player.
Speaker 1: Let somebody else do that. They need, like specifically size
Speaker 1: at the position. Yeah, so we're like one off because
Speaker 1: I have I have corner at three. Well, so I
Speaker 1: know why we're one off because I did that thing
Speaker 1: I do where I get weird with the list. But
Speaker 1: god dam it. All right, so I have quarner at
Speaker 1: number three. Can you just be normal one? Can you
Speaker 1: clarify big corner? Yeah, outside corner okay, number three, not
Speaker 1: just outside corner, like outside corner with size this draft,
Speaker 1: I've done a little bit of research so far, Alex,
Speaker 1: you'll be happy. But you haven't come across Julius Brents yet. No,
Speaker 1: but this this draft has size. Oh yeah, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: plenty of size. What do you think of the Georgia kid, right,
Speaker 1: Keely Ringo? Yeah, he's gonna be fist round pick. Right.
Speaker 1: That kid's special. I don't think they're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to get him any be a top ten pick. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think when he tests and all of that. The
Speaker 1: other guys should mention here in this have you gotten
Speaker 1: a cam Smith? So I know I know his profile,
Speaker 1: but so here's the thing. If I say South Carolina
Speaker 1: boundary corner, there you go. You know exactly it. Cam Smith?
Speaker 1: Is that like he fits Gilmore jc Horn right, like
Speaker 1: next one in line. So what about the Oregon kid,
Speaker 1: because he's going to be a first round pick too.
Speaker 1: I don't know a ton about Christian Gonzalez. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: kind of do the PAC twelve last, um, You know
Speaker 1: how I feel about the PAC twelve. You do? So
Speaker 1: on one hand, they do a lot of zone stuff,
Speaker 1: like they're a team that actually does get into some
Speaker 1: of these more complex zone looks. So like, traditionally I
Speaker 1: look at that guy and say, oh, he's coming from
Speaker 1: his zone system. He's not a fit for the Patriots.
Speaker 1: But if they are going to run more zone and
Speaker 1: he's had some more complex assignments, then it gets interesting.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of corners in the PAC twelve in
Speaker 1: this draft. Yeah, well, so the kid from I keep
Speaker 1: on saying the kid because I don't know their names
Speaker 1: well enough yet. Clark Phillips from Utah and Stanford. So
Speaker 1: Clark Phillips had some assignments on Jackson Smith and Jigba
Speaker 1: in that game that you love. So I actually watched
Speaker 1: him against Jordan Addison past year, and I thought his
Speaker 1: press reps against Jordan Addison were really really He hit
Speaker 1: a good game against Jordan as when Jordan Addison played.
Speaker 1: When he was playing off of Jordan Addison, he had problems,
Speaker 1: But when he was pressed on Jordan Addison, I thought
Speaker 1: he had some really good film there. So let's just
Speaker 1: finish up the first round here. Devin Witherspoon from Illinois.
Speaker 1: It's the only one in this group who's going to
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Another big guy, Brett biomaguy, big ten corner,
Speaker 1: and then the I mean the real one that gets
Speaker 1: me is Joey Porter Junior from Penn State. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you watched Joey Porter junior on defense, you watched Joey
Speaker 1: Porter junior on special teams, you watched Joey Porter junior
Speaker 1: the way he operates on the sideline. But I'm saying,
Speaker 1: this guy the weight from the football from this not
Speaker 1: just loves football, but from the second he steps out
Speaker 1: there for warm ups, he's ready to go what the
Speaker 1: Patriots want. Yeah, big physical corner, plays in the kicking
Speaker 1: game as a team leader. But there's the Penn State
Speaker 1: thing and Joey Porter, j Joey Porter Senior hasn't vocally
Speaker 1: been the biggest fan of Bill Belichick. That's that's kind
Speaker 1: of like Asante Samuel Jr. Exactly. So yeah, if if
Speaker 1: if he wasn't like, that's the guy. If if it's
Speaker 1: not for that relation, that's the guy. But we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens. That's the first round. Ringo, Porter Gonzalez, Smith Witherspoon.
Speaker 1: So I assume that when you see a Georgia corner
Speaker 1: projected in the top fifteen, that he's probably going too
Speaker 1: high for the Patriots to get their hands on. Ringo.
Speaker 1: I assume he'd probably be a top ten guy. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I liked what I saw out of the Utah corner
Speaker 1: against Addison. That's what I'm trying to do this year,
Speaker 1: especially with wide receivers and corners, is watch them against
Speaker 1: top competition, because sometimes I think you get you get
Speaker 1: coaxed into watching guys against scrubs and they look like
Speaker 1: all pro players, but you really how to take the
Speaker 1: film of them against other premier talents. And now that's
Speaker 1: what I really liked about watching that you Tucket against Addison.
Speaker 1: Can I give you one more? Then it's kind of
Speaker 1: sleeper if they want to go mid round. DJ Turner
Speaker 1: from Michigan six two, multi year starter. He's got those
Speaker 1: playoff reps, he's got those reps against Ohio State, right,
Speaker 1: so I haven't gone through all of them. He's fair,
Speaker 1: He's played fairly well in those games. He had some
Speaker 1: reps on Quinton Johnson National Championship. He looked pretty good.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get in my hands on the on
Speaker 1: the National championship game. And don't see what Ringo did
Speaker 1: against Quinton Johnson because obviously he had a decent game
Speaker 1: because Anton Johnson didn't get the ball. But maybe that
Speaker 1: was just a protection, right, I don't know if Quinton
Speaker 1: Johnson was getting open, but he was lined up on
Speaker 1: Quintin Johnson a good amount. He could start watch them
Speaker 1: run down the field. Yeah, you know, well I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see it from both perspectives, right, you know, if
Speaker 1: maybe it changed my mind about Johnson. Okay, so I'm
Speaker 1: at number three with the outside corner. So I'm outside corner,
Speaker 1: free safety, off ball linebacker, your free safety, side corner.
Speaker 1: What's what's number three? Wide receiver? That big number one.
Speaker 1: I mean we've talked, we don't need to do it. Literally,
Speaker 1: just one off, right Hopkins, Jerry Judy, Mike Evans, the
Speaker 1: guy that And there's a report from Mike Giardi that
Speaker 1: almost said this word for word that there's people in
Speaker 1: the building that believe the guy who's going to dictate coverage.
Speaker 1: You're gonna other teams are gonna have to double him.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to shade coverage towards him. Davante Parker
Speaker 1: can play. Everybody knows how I feel about Kendrick Bourne.
Speaker 1: I'm incredibly high on him. Those are guys that are
Speaker 1: gonna win one on one more often than not. You
Speaker 1: need to guarantee that they are getting one on one
Speaker 1: coverage assignments more often than not. How do you do that?
Speaker 1: You go get a number one wide receiver that demands
Speaker 1: multiplayer coverage, snap in and snap out. You want to
Speaker 1: really unlock this offense. You want to get them back
Speaker 1: pushing top five and scoring like they were in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one. You go add that guy, so he's that's
Speaker 1: number two, because you're you have your little trick. I
Speaker 1: think you know what I did too. I don't know yet,
Speaker 1: because I talked like this all the time. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: like it number number two on my list or number
Speaker 1: three on my list. Excuse me, the two I don't
Speaker 1: remember too. Jesus, You're you're killing me with your list
Speaker 1: over there. Number two on my list is wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I just think you said it perfectly about if you're
Speaker 1: really trying to make it work with Mac Jones, then
Speaker 1: you gotta get him a guy like And I just
Speaker 1: look at the landscape at the AFC, and I look
Speaker 1: at the this the whole league. The Chiefs have Kelsey,
Speaker 1: the Bills have Digs, the Bengals have Chase. You go
Speaker 1: to the other side, The Eagles have a j Brown,
Speaker 1: The Niners have Debot and George Kittle and CMC and
Speaker 1: every single other freaking number one receiver under the sun. Right,
Speaker 1: this is the league now. And I think that there
Speaker 1: was some merit once upon a time to them not
Speaker 1: wanting to overpay or overdraft that position, right, I think
Speaker 1: there was some merit to it, especially early on in
Speaker 1: the Patriots years when teams like the Lions were busting
Speaker 1: out on receivers in the top ten left and right,
Speaker 1: like there was some truth to it. But nowadays, if
Speaker 1: you don't have that guy, then you're not going to
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. I just don't think you can
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl with that one. And you look
Speaker 1: at sort of the last three or four just matchups
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, not even the just the winner
Speaker 1: you know, last year it's it's Cooper Cup and Jamar Chase, right, like,
Speaker 1: they each had a guy on their roster. That's the
Speaker 1: league now. And the Patriots don't have a guy. They
Speaker 1: don't have a guy that Patriots the last team to
Speaker 1: make the Super Bowl without one of those guys. And
Speaker 1: they had Gronk and they and Edelman who won Super
Speaker 1: Bowl MVP. Yeah, ok so I don't even know if
Speaker 1: they didn't have it right, You're right, I take that back.
Speaker 1: So I look at the Patriots offense right now, and
Speaker 1: what I see is an offense that when defensive coaches, okay,
Speaker 1: we're onto the Patriots. It's it's Tuesday, right, we're game planning,
Speaker 1: game plan meeting. Who on the Patriots passing offense are
Speaker 1: you saying, oh, we gotta take that guy out. We
Speaker 1: got a roll coverage on not even that, not even
Speaker 1: we have to how are we? Yeah, we need to.
Speaker 1: We can't do just what we do. We need to
Speaker 1: do something different. We need to create a whole new
Speaker 1: scheme to take that guy away. We got a roll coverage,
Speaker 1: we gotta one double right, right, whatever it is. And
Speaker 1: I think the problem is is that on top of
Speaker 1: the fact that the Patriots just don't have that guy
Speaker 1: in the Tuesday meeting that anybody cares about. When they
Speaker 1: get into the Tuesday meeting, they say, well, they don't
Speaker 1: really have that guy, but like Jacobe Myers, like is
Speaker 1: that guy right? Like they're trying to make Jacobe Meyers
Speaker 1: that guy. So now all of a sudden, on third down,
Speaker 1: Jacobe Myers is getting double blanketed yet, right, and then
Speaker 1: Matt now Matt Jones is going to somebody else and
Speaker 1: Jacoby is even out of it. So Jacoby's punching above
Speaker 1: his weight because he's not that guy, right, And now
Speaker 1: the Patriots are The whole thing is just thrown up.
Speaker 1: They do not have a Tuesday player. That's Michael lombardism right,
Speaker 1: a Tuesday player like who's the guy that you circle
Speaker 1: on the roster. They don't have a Tuesday player on offense,
Speaker 1: and it's not the quarterback right now. So they don't
Speaker 1: have a Tuesday player period. If they don't have that,
Speaker 1: I don't think that you're ever going to be an
Speaker 1: elite offense. I don't care if Bill Brian's your coach,
Speaker 1: if Sean mcvagh is your coach, if Kyle Shanahan's your coach, whoever,
Speaker 1: you're just not going to get there as an offense.
Speaker 1: So enough thinking around with it. Like we've gone year
Speaker 1: after year after year really since eighteen when and Edelman
Speaker 1: started to slow down or Bronk retired. Right, we've been
Speaker 1: going five years running on this. There's something that Macro said,
Speaker 1: and if we get a chance to talk to Macro,
Speaker 1: hopefully we will maybe when we're going our big show announcement,
Speaker 1: we'll get a chance to talk to Macro. He said
Speaker 1: last year. He agreed with that press And the most
Speaker 1: important thing that I think that he said and that
Speaker 1: and his answer to that question was that you can't
Speaker 1: sit back and wait for the guy anymore, right, like
Speaker 1: you if you got to go get him right And
Speaker 1: they I know it was a small trade up, but
Speaker 1: they did end up trading up from fifty four to
Speaker 1: fifty to get Taekwon Thorton last year in the second round.
Speaker 1: I think Macro recognizes it, and I think that he
Speaker 1: sees it would be worth it to us to trade
Speaker 1: a premium asset for DeAndre Hopkins or Jerry Judy or
Speaker 1: Te Higgins or whoever it may be. The one guy
Speaker 1: in the draft though at fourteen. And I know you
Speaker 1: always make fun of me for this because I get
Speaker 1: attached to guys I watch him. You have a little recency.
Speaker 1: Buys get recency. And his favorite player in the draft
Speaker 1: is whatever player he watched most recently. Okay, with that
Speaker 1: being said, Jackson Smith and Jigba can play. Yeah, he's incredible.
Speaker 1: He's really really good. And the reason why I like
Speaker 1: him so much is he's He's like if Julian Edelman
Speaker 1: was a first round prospect, right Like, He's got that
Speaker 1: slot shiftiness, He's always in the right place. He's durable,
Speaker 1: he's dependable, he's all those types of things. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear about the hamstring and this he
Speaker 1: sat out this year because he didn't eat to play, Okay,
Speaker 1: and they like, I understand that something that rubs some
Speaker 1: people the wrong way, But to me, I feel like
Speaker 1: that's part of the problem with the Patriots draft strategy
Speaker 1: sometimes is that they shy away from guys like JSN
Speaker 1: who don't play because they don't have to because they
Speaker 1: want the gamer, right like they want the lunch pale guy,
Speaker 1: they want the Jim Rat. Sometimes you just gotta take
Speaker 1: the best player, right, he just gotta take the best talent. Well.
Speaker 1: I like so much about him though, is that he's
Speaker 1: a middle of the field player. He's not the boundary
Speaker 1: guy where you have a quarterback that isn't toolsy, that
Speaker 1: isn't a physical freak, and now you're asking him to
Speaker 1: throw sixty yard bombs because that's what your number one
Speaker 1: guy is good at. Right, He's Mac Jones is Binkie
Speaker 1: and a half, and Dante's Karnecki has talked about this
Speaker 1: every single time Dante gets in front of a mic.
Speaker 1: He always says, the thing that the Patriots need isn't
Speaker 1: the stud outside receiver. They need Wes Welker, right, they
Speaker 1: need Julian Edelman. They need the guys that stirs the drink,
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jig but stirs the drake. Like, that's
Speaker 1: the guy that's gonna catch a hundred twenty five balls
Speaker 1: out of the slot for the Patriots. I just love
Speaker 1: that guy. At fourteen. If the veteran market doesn't break,
Speaker 1: I still am number one trade right, Like I want
Speaker 1: to trade for one. So you're team Jerry Judy. Then,
Speaker 1: in terms of that market, I'm coming around to more
Speaker 1: Judy because he'd be closer to what you just described,
Speaker 1: like he runs out of the slot as much as
Speaker 1: he runs off. Yeah, I just worry about like I
Speaker 1: don't want them to basically like Tee Higgins to me
Speaker 1: is just like better DeVante Parker. And I just don't
Speaker 1: know if that guy is really what would make Mac
Speaker 1: the best. I think the efficient short and intermediate jitterbug receiver,
Speaker 1: which is what Jackson, Smith and Jaboo is. I think
Speaker 1: that guy thrives in this offense with Mac Jones, get
Speaker 1: the ball out of his hands right quickly and have
Speaker 1: his brain be doing heavy lifting, not his art. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what Smith and Jingbao can really bring
Speaker 1: to the table. And I would love it at fourteen
Speaker 1: if he's there at fourteen. If he runs at the combine,
Speaker 1: it means he's going to run faster than we all thing.
Speaker 1: That's the big knock on him, as he doesn't have
Speaker 1: breakaway game speed. But if he runs at the combine,
Speaker 1: it means he's gonna run under a four five. And
Speaker 1: if he runs under a four or five, I don't
Speaker 1: know if he makes it to fourty or no, we're
Speaker 1: gonna play this game again. Sure, who's gonna make it.
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis last year, Remember I text you. I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't wait for Jordan Davis to run under five tonight.
Speaker 1: He thought I was kidding. Um, he's spectacling. You want
Speaker 1: a little Patriots adjacent coaching news real quick? Before he finished,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins have fired Josh Boyer, Steve Gregory, and Steve Ferrens.
Speaker 1: So so Boyer and Boyer was here as a coach,
Speaker 1: Gregory was here as a player. Steve Ferens is the
Speaker 1: brother of James Ferns and the son of Kirk Ferrens.
Speaker 1: So my guess is that Josh Boyer. I think they
Speaker 1: already might already have too many chefs in the kitchen,
Speaker 1: and bringing a guy like Boyer back might add another chef.
Speaker 1: That's yeah. I don't know that they need any defensive coaches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I think Brian Flores wherever he lands, could
Speaker 1: take Josh Boyer with him. But although if they're gonna
Speaker 1: bring in a new free safety, having Steve Gregory teach
Speaker 1: that guy, Josh Boyer's downfall is that he blitz is
Speaker 1: too much. He's so in love with the blitz and
Speaker 1: it's like all he can do right, and they just
Speaker 1: didn't have the corners on the outside to be that
Speaker 1: man heavy. Yeah all right, what's number two on your list?
Speaker 1: Your tackle? Your rinky dink click tackle tackle? They need it.
Speaker 1: And this is why I wouldn't take in jigbid fort.
Speaker 1: We would literally have the same list pretty much if
Speaker 1: you didn't get one perfect love it. Um. They need
Speaker 1: a tackle? Yeah, well, not to spoil my number one.
Speaker 1: They need two tackles. They're going to need two tackles. Goodness,
Speaker 1: and Isaiah wins contract is up Trent Brown, they save
Speaker 1: like six million dollars if they more now? Is it
Speaker 1: more now? Because so I went down this rabbit hole
Speaker 1: the other day because Pat's cap biguel, he tipped me
Speaker 1: off to it. Trent Brown hit all of his playing
Speaker 1: time incentives okay this year because he didn't get hurt
Speaker 1: like he normally does. Right, So those all hit the
Speaker 1: cap in twenty twenty three. So I believe that Trent
Speaker 1: Brown's contract is now eleven and a half million dollar
Speaker 1: hit in twenty twenty three, and that all comes off
Speaker 1: the book if they caught him like all of it. Besides,
Speaker 1: like the the down payments about, they're gonna need two tackles.
Speaker 1: They can go out trade for wide receiver position they
Speaker 1: traditionally haven't developed. They developed tackles. Well, it's a good
Speaker 1: tackle class in free agency and in the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: quarterback can't do anything if he's on his asshole game
Speaker 1: right tackle tackle, tackle, Yeah, it is my second biggest need.
Speaker 1: You can ask me number one in it, but I
Speaker 1: have tackle is number two on my list. Number one
Speaker 1: on my list is tackle. Okay, I almost put receiver
Speaker 1: ahead of it. This is the old age old argument, right,
Speaker 1: like protection or the receiver. The Bengals went receiver, and
Speaker 1: they it's worked out for them. But I think that
Speaker 1: Burrow makes it work out. Right. The fact that Burrow
Speaker 1: is so inflappable under pressure, I think it makes it
Speaker 1: work out. So that's why Burrow works for him. I
Speaker 1: think other teams might have misstepped there and probably should
Speaker 1: have got like Miami for instance, they went waddle, right,
Speaker 1: they got the receiver too, and now to us in
Speaker 1: concussion protocol for the third time. Right, the Chiefs early
Speaker 1: on too, I would say, I mean they fixed it since,
Speaker 1: but the Chiefs early on you. So I think with
Speaker 1: the type of quarterback that you have with his numbers
Speaker 1: this year, under pressure being as terrible as they were.
Speaker 1: They need to go out and they need to get
Speaker 1: not not just I'm with you on the volume. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I want like Matt light right, like I want
Speaker 1: the left tackle that's going to be the left tackle
Speaker 1: for the next ten years on this team, and that
Speaker 1: I think is going to have to be the fourteenth
Speaker 1: overall pick. So Broderick Jones, Pierre Paris Johnson from Ohio
Speaker 1: State and uh or whatever, Skawanski and I'm telling you
Speaker 1: right now, Evan, I think Dwan Jones gets his name
Speaker 1: into the first round conversation. Now, he's a right tack, well,
Speaker 1: he can play both, he's primarily a right tackle. But
Speaker 1: we'll get to number one on my list in a second.
Speaker 1: There's a way that works. Yeah. So out of what
Speaker 1: I've seen and I haven't I started with receivers because
Speaker 1: they're the most fun, what everybody wants, it's the most fun.
Speaker 1: But even watch Ohio State. From what I see, I
Speaker 1: like Roderick Jones the best lots alike, right, And I
Speaker 1: think the biggest reason why I like him the best
Speaker 1: is because his his athleticism and his range I think
Speaker 1: is the best. You've seen those plays where he pulls
Speaker 1: out when they run the ball and he goes out
Speaker 1: to the Edgy Smokes corner. Yeah, that's fun, right, And
Speaker 1: I think that type of athleticism in an offense where
Speaker 1: a lot of your yards are going to be based
Speaker 1: off a yak, right, and you're talking about screens, you're
Speaker 1: talking about RPO game, you're talking about that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: I think that that athleticism would really help. And he's
Speaker 1: just a monster. He's like six six something six six
Speaker 1: five three fifteen. So here's the kicker though, with those
Speaker 1: types of guys, the fourteen's pushing it like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's gonna be there. I think here's the thing,
Speaker 1: because those types of tackles go top ten, right, like
Speaker 1: those types of I mean last year was what like
Speaker 1: cross and those guys they would like one like five,
Speaker 1: six seven, like right, they were all off the board.
Speaker 1: But so a bunch of those guys just went I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think there's a lot of teams around
Speaker 1: the league necessarily looking for a tackle. Right now, there's
Speaker 1: four guys, maybe five, A lot of people like Anton
Speaker 1: Harrison from Oklahoma. I'm not as familiar with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but between they might not get their pick, but one
Speaker 1: of those four or five guys will be on the
Speaker 1: board at fourteen, and I think there's at least three,
Speaker 1: potentially five franchise tackles in this draft. So right, like
Speaker 1: you you like Brodrick, I don't know if you watched
Speaker 1: Scarronsky at all a little bit, but I just I'm
Speaker 1: not using Paris Johnson because I know you have a
Speaker 1: thing about Ohio state tackles. Yeah, we can give that taken,
Speaker 1: like you like Roderick Jones, but you can be upset
Speaker 1: if they end up with Peter Scarronski. Absolutely not. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be a guy that's but I potential
Speaker 1: franchise tackle. I and looking. I'm not saying that they
Speaker 1: should trade, like, you know, five picks to move up,
Speaker 1: but like, this is one of those drafts where I
Speaker 1: think you need to be in the conversation of moving up,
Speaker 1: you know, from fourteen to ten, right or at fourteen
Speaker 1: to eleven, I just the leap frog a team that
Speaker 1: that might be taking your guy. So you want an
Speaker 1: interesting thing here, I'm looking at the board right now.
Speaker 1: The guys were talking about this is the board we use. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're projected to go eleven twelve thirteen. So if you
Speaker 1: have to go and move up from fourteen to eleven
Speaker 1: to get Broderick Jones or to get your guy and
Speaker 1: make sure you get him, that it's the same thing
Speaker 1: as moving up from fifty four to fifty to get type.
Speaker 1: I don't think that, Like I don't. It depends how
Speaker 1: much they have to give up. The gap between Jones
Speaker 1: and Scronsky and Johnson isn't so big that you need
Speaker 1: to sell the farm to get any one of those three.
Speaker 1: They should be able to make work. Yeah, they should
Speaker 1: be able to turn into a franchise. Tacks fair. So
Speaker 1: tackle number one on my list, So I'm tackle, wide receiver, yeah,
Speaker 1: outside corner, free, safety, linebacker. What's your dumb number one?
Speaker 1: I'll go five to one, safety corner, wide receiver. Tackle
Speaker 1: number one is punter. Because now I'm kidding, you're about
Speaker 1: to shut my micaf shut locked out. No, I was like,
Speaker 1: how can we mute him right now? Safety, corner, wide receiver,
Speaker 1: tackle and tackle because I can. Because Evan, I'll tell
Speaker 1: I did this with corner last year. I did this
Speaker 1: with corner last year. I'll tell you that's almost as
Speaker 1: bad as putting punter. Listen, it's not the game. The game.
Speaker 1: This is the game, because listen to me. If they
Speaker 1: let's say, let's say free agency started today and they
Speaker 1: signed Mike McGlinchey Orlando Brown, those are the top two
Speaker 1: tackles in free agency. If we if they made that
Speaker 1: signing and then we did the list again, I would
Speaker 1: still have tackle number one. That's fair. So that's why
Speaker 1: it's one and two because even if they add a tackle,
Speaker 1: tackle is still the biggest need on the list. Once
Speaker 1: they add that second, then we get into the other positions.
Speaker 1: But and that's why I said, you know, maybe they
Speaker 1: really like Orlando Brown. If you're gonna tell me that
Speaker 1: they're gonna sign Orlando Brown and draft Dwan Jones and
Speaker 1: Brown's playing on the left side and Jones planning on
Speaker 1: the right side, Yeah okay, that works, Yeah, that works.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that's as good of a plan
Speaker 1: as um like, uh, mcglinchey's the top right tackle, right right,
Speaker 1: that's as good of a plan as if they go
Speaker 1: scronts in McGlinchey. Yeah right. So there's ways they can
Speaker 1: mix and match it, which is even more reason why
Speaker 1: I think they don't necessarily need to push to move
Speaker 1: up but draft one, sign one, it's gonna be. That's
Speaker 1: one of these catch phrases of the off season for
Speaker 1: this show. What do you think they're gonna call? And
Speaker 1: people are gonna call in what do you want them
Speaker 1: to a tackle? Draft one, sign one? People are gonna
Speaker 1: email in what do you want to do? A tackle?
Speaker 1: Draft one, sign one, Draft one sign one d OsO
Speaker 1: Dso that's the model for the off season. I like,
Speaker 1: so I like the MCTA with the left tackle in
Speaker 1: the draft. I do, okay because mcglinchey's your right tackle,
Speaker 1: right and plug and play at right tackle, and then
Speaker 1: you get the left tackle who has maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit of a higher ceiling in the draft, and you
Speaker 1: go that direction. But I'm just saying, like if they
Speaker 1: walked away with Orlando yeah, every Lando Brown and Duan Jones,
Speaker 1: it's not like, oh my god, what are they doing?
Speaker 1: They're screwing. Like I'm like, all right, you have an
Speaker 1: offensive line. I just think Orlando Brown worries me because
Speaker 1: of the weight that once you pay is he Trent Brown?
Speaker 1: Like once you pay a guy like that Andre Dillard
Speaker 1: And I've concerns about him too. But my point being
Speaker 1: like I just like McGlinchey, I think he's some player
Speaker 1: than Francisco. I think in San Francisco he was fine.
Speaker 1: But I really think that he's been miscasting that system
Speaker 1: because he's a six foot eight, three hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: pound right tackle that they're trying to get to run
Speaker 1: outside zone, true, right, and so like, if you get
Speaker 1: that guy McGlinchey I'm talking about, and you put him
Speaker 1: next to on WHENU and you run gap to that,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna run for twelve yards of care, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's just a But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I would say, what's what's one win? Who's six two
Speaker 1: three sixty five three? Yeah? They listened at like three
Speaker 1: forty a right, Duwan Jones is sixty eight three sixty
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, it's you put those two guys next
Speaker 1: to each other. You're going to run. You can run
Speaker 1: that debt debt QB power with net Jones. You're gonna
Speaker 1: run forever behind those two. Okay, So yeah, we're both
Speaker 1: on the same page with tackle. Got a few more
Speaker 1: calls and then we'll make the big announcement. All right, Uh, Mason,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Mason? You're on the air. You there
Speaker 1: not I know Mason, all right, we can call it
Speaker 1: back in Mason. And so we got a question the
Speaker 1: email and then we got one more phone. Not trying
Speaker 1: to sway from your personnel talk. Yes, thank you, we
Speaker 1: needed to get that out there. But mentioned today, Hardba
Speaker 1: mentioned today that Lamar Jackson would be involved in their
Speaker 1: OC hiring process. Do you think Mac is sitting in
Speaker 1: on the Patriots OC interviews or has some input or
Speaker 1: anything like that. Do you think Max should have input
Speaker 1: on the OC? Yes? Okay, yeah, I don't know that
Speaker 1: he's gonna be sitting in the meetings, but we all
Speaker 1: know which way he's gonna go, right right, He's gonna
Speaker 1: want O'Brien. Yeah, so, and you know it, after a
Speaker 1: rough year, they're gonna hire O'Brien. Anyway, Hey, Mac, who
Speaker 1: do you want? Just ask him before you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna make that higher anyway. I have no problem with Mac, Like,
Speaker 1: let's just say little offseason project for you, Mac, Just
Speaker 1: make make you make you us a list, like who's
Speaker 1: your three guys? Right? It doesn't mean that they're going
Speaker 1: to listen to anything that he says, but it would
Speaker 1: be nice to know where the quarterbacks heads at. I
Speaker 1: don't think that he has any sway, and I don't
Speaker 1: think that he necessarily should, especially after the year that
Speaker 1: he just had, but I think that he should. Like
Speaker 1: he's not Lamar Jackson. He's not. He's not right sowhile
Speaker 1: he's gone, Like is he gonna be in Baltimore for
Speaker 1: whoever he wants? Harbaugh said today that he's their quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: so they're trying to full court press it. My guess
Speaker 1: is that Greg Roman was in Lamar had grown apart
Speaker 1: and that that marriage was not good, and so they
Speaker 1: moved on from Greg Roman today to Free add Up.
Speaker 1: So maybe they're trying to make that that that happened
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. I like, I want Mac to have a voice.
Speaker 1: I don't want him to have a say. How about that?
Speaker 1: Is that? Sure? Yeah? Okay, all right, Mason, you're back.
Speaker 1: Uh So I'm usually a weapons with a Z guy, admittedly,
Speaker 1: but I do actually think that we should take a
Speaker 1: tackle this year in the first round. But I actually
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about a guy in the second round
Speaker 1: that I think would actually be a steel who is
Speaker 1: my personal wide receiver one this year, which I know
Speaker 1: that's gonna make some people say hmm, but can I
Speaker 1: guess who it is? A dominant to catch point? He's
Speaker 1: gonna be a four or four guy easy at six
Speaker 1: to two o five. He's explosive, and my personal ProComp
Speaker 1: for him is a J. Brown. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be really special. What would you guys think about somebody
Speaker 1: like that in the second round? If we can get
Speaker 1: him there? Our board has him mocked to the Patriots
Speaker 1: at forty six. There you go. So I think that
Speaker 1: there is very good depth in this receiver class. And
Speaker 1: I know you've been saying this to me for a while.
Speaker 1: Guys like Zay Flowers, who I think is the who
Speaker 1: are you thought he was going? That's everybody. Everybody's like,
Speaker 1: you know, Zay Flowers isn't a projected first round pick,
Speaker 1: but I think he'd be a steal. If everybody thinks
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers is a steel, He's not a steel. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Josh Downs right from North Carolina, that's my guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love me some Josh Down. And then I've heard
Speaker 1: a lot of buzz from from this SMU kid too,
Speaker 1: So there's some day two guys for sure. Can I
Speaker 1: give you the real wild card in this group? And
Speaker 1: I don't know how the Patriots are gonna feel about him.
Speaker 1: This goes back to your point of I forget exactly
Speaker 1: what it was when you talk about in jigbud and
Speaker 1: taking the guy that doesn't necessarily you know, the guy
Speaker 1: who sat out. Yeah. So Kashawn Boutet was the consensus
Speaker 1: number one receiver in this class for most of the season.
Speaker 1: He so last year's great twenty twenty one, he's great,
Speaker 1: struggling in twenty twenty two, but the offense really struggled
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two as a whole, Like it was
Speaker 1: kind of a mess there. He announced he was going
Speaker 1: back to school. Then a couple days later, this might
Speaker 1: have all been within like a day or two, they
Speaker 1: said he wasn't even though he was going back to school,
Speaker 1: he wasn't playing in the ball game. They never called
Speaker 1: it a suspension. Yeah, but the school said he wasn't
Speaker 1: playing in the ball game. And then he announced he
Speaker 1: was going to the draft. And there's been some rumors
Speaker 1: as to what happened in terms of some off field stuff,
Speaker 1: some party related stuff. I don't want to put anything
Speaker 1: out there that's not confirmed, But now nobody really knows
Speaker 1: where to put him. His talent wise, like he did
Speaker 1: at one point look like a wide receiver one in
Speaker 1: the draft, but you know he had a down year.
Speaker 1: He's had this this thing. You go back to the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one draft. The Patriots took a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys who were really good two years before they were drafted, right,
Speaker 1: our guys who are coming off injuries or whatever. So
Speaker 1: they have been into that kind of guy. Do they
Speaker 1: see Boutet? And this is one of those things where
Speaker 1: there might be stuff off the field that we just
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, and that he's gonna be sitting there
Speaker 1: in the fifth round, We're gonna be all like, what's happening? Right?
Speaker 1: But are they going to see him as an untouchable?
Speaker 1: I could just as easily be convinced that they're going
Speaker 1: to see him as a value pick in the second round.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be really interesting to see how his stock develops. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I don't know, have you watched him? I have
Speaker 1: watched him live a little bit, but not not deep
Speaker 1: into it yet. But I think it's interesting about this
Speaker 1: class at wide receiver, and I would say to a
Speaker 1: degree at corner too. Yeah, I think you're gonna hear
Speaker 1: a lot of it's a deep class, but there's no
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, right Like, it's a deep wide receiver class,
Speaker 1: but there's no uh, Marvin Harrison's junior. Like that's next year.
Speaker 1: I told you what my draft strategy would be. Just
Speaker 1: draft Marvin Harrison junior. Tellbab league to deal with it.
Speaker 1: That that. I think you're gonna hear a lot of that,
Speaker 1: But I really think, right yeah, But from what I
Speaker 1: can't speak on the corners, but from what I've seen
Speaker 1: out of these wide receivers that I've I've studied so far,
Speaker 1: I think that's selling some of these guys a little
Speaker 1: bit short. Like I'm not. I don't think that Jackson
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba and Jordan Addison or Jamar Chase level prospects.
Speaker 1: But those guys are number one pick, first round pick
Speaker 1: wide receiver prospects every single year, right like every year.
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's a big difference between Jackson
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba in the tape that you know, Jerry
Speaker 1: Judy and Ceedee Lamb and those guys put out a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, right like that. I think that
Speaker 1: that's my point is those guys, I think our first
Speaker 1: round picks in twenty twenty three as if they were
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. So there might not be a Calvin Johnson,
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, Matt Marvin Harrison junior prospect. But the Patriots
Speaker 1: are are also not picking that high, right, so they
Speaker 1: don't need that guy. There's a lot of guys you say,
Speaker 1: I love his game, but yeah, that's basically what it is. Yes,
Speaker 1: our butts uh argon Argin, Yep, yep, I'm here. Hey,
Speaker 1: well tell me how you pronounce your name so I know,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, so you actually pronounced it. H you pronounced
Speaker 1: my name Argin? Yeah? Cool, awesome? What's up? All right?
Speaker 1: So I'll just get quicked from that point. So, you know,
Speaker 1: you guys have been talking a lot about you know,
Speaker 1: our draft class and like our you know signed one,
Speaker 1: you know draft one. So I've just been like thinking,
Speaker 1: like for me personally, like I hear a lot about
Speaker 1: these rumors. I know, like this might be outlandish, but
Speaker 1: something like Dylan Ramsey or like someone like Dape. I
Speaker 1: guess I'll be get a million questions about about that guy,
Speaker 1: like what do you guys think, like as far as
Speaker 1: like where should be like you know what what you
Speaker 1: guys would give up for him, and like you guys
Speaker 1: really think they're a trade target and like you know, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: perfect question, Argent corner with Jalen Ramsey. So the Rams
Speaker 1: bill came do I hate that saying with the NFL,
Speaker 1: but quite frankly, that's the truth. Sean mcvay's back, Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald maybe today he said he's gonna be back. Okay,
Speaker 1: he clarified that Matthew Stafford back, but who knows what
Speaker 1: the album? Who knows back on the roster, right, So
Speaker 1: I don't know if McVay and Donald are back. I
Speaker 1: don't think the Rams are in full cell mode yet.
Speaker 1: I think they had they almost have to just go
Speaker 1: for it again. Yeah, they don't really have much of
Speaker 1: a choice. So I'll say this too in terms of Ramsey,
Speaker 1: he didn't have a great year. Yeah, he's going back
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl last year. I mean he's not
Speaker 1: looked like that number one corner. I wouldn't give up
Speaker 1: a ton for him, Yeah, I wouldn't. And with that
Speaker 1: contract too, Like in this draft class and all of
Speaker 1: it pass, Okay, As DeAndre Hopkins and the Patriots just
Speaker 1: interviewed Bill O'Brien or this morning. It was Breer Albert
Speaker 1: Brier out of some context. The interview took place this morning.
Speaker 1: So here's the question that I think everybody's gonna ask
Speaker 1: with Bill O'Brien is is that I mean you're out
Speaker 1: on Hopkins because of their Their divorce in Houston was
Speaker 1: not pretty. Hopkins has been on the record saying that
Speaker 1: the drama was a little bit overblown, that it's not
Speaker 1: as bad as it really was made out to be
Speaker 1: in some of the stories that came out about it.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, Hopkins is gonna
Speaker 1: have some options and I don't know if he really
Speaker 1: wants to be married again with Bill O'Brien. With that
Speaker 1: being said, just take that off the board for a second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just in terms of pure draft capital, like what are
Speaker 1: you giving up for DeAndre Hopkins second round pick in
Speaker 1: a future top one fifty. I think that gets it down.
Speaker 1: I'm with you on the second round pick. So here's
Speaker 1: the thing. His value has been set. He was traded
Speaker 1: three years ago. That trade I know it was, but
Speaker 1: this is how teams look at it, and and as
Speaker 1: bad of a trade as it was, what's happened since
Speaker 1: he caught a peed suspension. Yeah, only one of the
Speaker 1: three seasons he's played over. He's played over ten games,
Speaker 1: and he crossed the age thirty barrier. So even if
Speaker 1: even if you say a going off of that trade
Speaker 1: is wrong because it was so lopsided, you're gonna use
Speaker 1: it as a base one way or the other, and
Speaker 1: then you bring in all those other factors. That was
Speaker 1: a second, a fourth, and whatever was left of David Johnson, Right,
Speaker 1: So does a second and a fourth get it done?
Speaker 1: I think so like a second in a future fourth,
Speaker 1: and I think they got like a fourth or fifth
Speaker 1: back or something Hawkins straight up for this year's second
Speaker 1: and a twenty twenty four fourth. Yeah, I'll go pick
Speaker 1: him up from the airport. Yeah, I do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do that as well. Fourteen is totally out of
Speaker 1: the question. Fourteen No, yeah, no, that's that's like if
Speaker 1: I really have to give it up to get Jerry Judy. No,
Speaker 1: if it's like fourteen for like Judy and the Broncos second,
Speaker 1: which is gonna be like thirty, Like I'm saying I
Speaker 1: put it in the conversation, I wouldn't do it straight up, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I would at least discuss that as an option.
Speaker 1: That's Judy, who's twenty six, right, and it's been healthy
Speaker 1: and all of that, right, Judy. I think I would
Speaker 1: talk about it with Higgins. Right. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I would do it with either, but I would. I would.
Speaker 1: I would put it if I'm gonna get like a
Speaker 1: second round pick back and maybe some future picks. Like
Speaker 1: at that point, it's fourteen for Higgins and it's fourteen
Speaker 1: for Judy, and yeah, the Cardinals called and said, all right,
Speaker 1: we want fourteen for Hopkins. Gonna say, what else are
Speaker 1: you gonna give me? Right, You're gonna give me whatever
Speaker 1: pick they have ten to eleven. And if you're a Denver,
Speaker 1: not to get too down the rabbit hole here. They
Speaker 1: just gave up everything for Russell Wilson. They need a pick,
Speaker 1: they need to pick. They need a pick. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: so it's it's not a horrible path, all right, Eldred,
Speaker 1: what's up? Hey? Good, Hey Alegins, name's Alex. That's fine,
Speaker 1: But I would I wouldn't give a fucking for Hopkins.
Speaker 1: Go to the aage. I've got to give a third
Speaker 1: and a fourth. That's fair because of the age and
Speaker 1: everything else. I wouldn't give a sucke. I look, I
Speaker 1: just think that's what it's gonna take to get it done.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's the best scenario, but okay,
Speaker 1: that's fair, just fair, take that's fairy. Okay. My question
Speaker 1: is I don't have problem with is I like to
Speaker 1: do offers the guys they're interviewing or whatever. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm with you Evans. If it ain't. If it ain't O'Brien,
Speaker 1: I don't know about the other guys, I'd be kind
Speaker 1: of worried about it. And um, I did worry about
Speaker 1: gm on when it comes to the draft and picking,
Speaker 1: because as this track record, that's what I'd be worried about,
Speaker 1: you know, unless you listen to somebody else this year,
Speaker 1: because how last year went, you still got the same
Speaker 1: guy drafted. And I don't like that board. They always
Speaker 1: use this guy the same as that guy. You're you're
Speaker 1: preaching to the choir on the draft right now, Thanks
Speaker 1: for the call out, I love you. Uh, it's not
Speaker 1: the same guy picking. They got Macro now Cole Strange
Speaker 1: is not a Macro pick, but the rest it feels
Speaker 1: like a lot changed between their first pick and the
Speaker 1: rest of the pick. I know, I don't necessary. Marcus Jones,
Speaker 1: Jack Jones, Bailey Zappye, you know what do it? That
Speaker 1: all feels to me like though? Is like all the
Speaker 1: like Marcus Jones went to Houston, right, Bailey Zappy goes
Speaker 1: to Western like I need. I'm sorry, I need the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one draft again. I need Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma
Speaker 1: like Ohio State, like give me because if you miss
Speaker 1: on those guys, then I can explain it right like
Speaker 1: I can justify it no matter what, because those guys
Speaker 1: are name brand, five star, blue chip prospects. When you
Speaker 1: miss and I'm just saying they necessarily missed, But when
Speaker 1: you get a player who's good but not great, which
Speaker 1: is what I think Cold Strange is right now, fine,
Speaker 1: solid guard, but he's not Zach Martin, right. And when
Speaker 1: you get that type of player with this team right now,
Speaker 1: we're there. It doesn't move the needle. It doesn't move.
Speaker 1: But here's what i'd say. You know, they wanted speed.
Speaker 1: Let's use running back as an example. They wanted speed.
Speaker 1: The fastest forty times for running backs where Pierre Strong
Speaker 1: was the most at South Dakota State. Yeah, the other
Speaker 1: there was I remember I did this last year. I
Speaker 1: don't remember the schools, but of the four top forty times,
Speaker 1: only one was a Power five school. You know, right,
Speaker 1: say you didn't have a ton of fast corners last year.
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones didn't run, but was a guy that was
Speaker 1: expected to be. But Marcus Jones is because that word out.
Speaker 1: I think what they were targeting last year they happened
Speaker 1: to have to go to small schools to get I
Speaker 1: don't think they targeted small schools. Okay, to get what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I get what you're saying. I just I
Speaker 1: go back and I know that. My point of bringing
Speaker 1: up the eighteen draft is because even though it didn't
Speaker 1: work out, taking the two Georgia guys at the top
Speaker 1: was justifiable, right like it made tense. You picked two
Speaker 1: guys from the Georgia team that went to the National
Speaker 1: Championship game, just balled out in the College Football playoff,
Speaker 1: and it makes sense. Yes, they drafted the wrong Georgia
Speaker 1: running back. Yes, Isaiah Win didn't pan out, but to
Speaker 1: pick in the moment at the time was just a fay.
Speaker 1: But we both loved Trevor Penning last year. We both
Speaker 1: said they took Trevor Penning, that would be that would work,
Speaker 1: but that was at a premium position. Went to Northern Aisle.
Speaker 1: At least we're at a premium position now. At least
Speaker 1: we've moved from guard putting a lot of qualifiers on
Speaker 1: this well. I have two qualifiers premium position from a
Speaker 1: Power five school. I don't think that should be that hard. Huh.
Speaker 1: All right, we have to make the show announced because
Speaker 1: we have to wrap big show announcement. Here we go,
Speaker 1: drumroll please. Last week we found out that the Patriots
Speaker 1: will be coaching at the East West Shrine Bowl out
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. Last year, they drafted four players from
Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl Taekwon, Thornton, Jack Jones, Pierre Strong, Sam Roberts,
Speaker 1: and they picked up a couple of udfas from the
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl as to Eric King and Lebrian Ray catch
Speaker 1: twenty two and myself and Alex are going to the
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl. We're gonna be out there with the team
Speaker 1: next week for all three days four days practice. I
Speaker 1: think it is four days of practice. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: live shows from Las Vegas after watching Shrine Bowl practices.
Speaker 1: So each day each day and we're gonna talk about prospects.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the coaching staff and what we
Speaker 1: see because the Patriots other than de Marcus Covington are
Speaker 1: all gonna be there as well. So is Covington not
Speaker 1: going because there's only one day of overlap, it's potent
Speaker 1: he potentially could be conn be there at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the week. So Cash twenty two goes on the road.
Speaker 1: Cash twenty two goes to the Shrine Bowl and we'll
Speaker 1: have you completely covered out in Las Vegas. This is
Speaker 1: our first time traveling together. It's trying to think about
Speaker 1: this this morning. No, we travel together at our first No, No,
Speaker 1: I know, but I think this is our first time
Speaker 1: traveling together since twenty nineteen. Yes, So Cash twenty two
Speaker 1: at the Shrine Bowl, we will see. Well you're here
Speaker 1: from us, from there, from Las We're doing a show
Speaker 1: next week. Yeah, we're doing next next week. We'll preview
Speaker 1: the rosters. All right, until then, signing off, Alex bart
Speaker 1: Evan Lazar See at the Shrine Bowl. Everybody. Thank you
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