WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 1/19: OC Search Updates, Positional Needs, NFL Draft Talk 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:06.680 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:11.680 Lazar and Alex Barth. Lazar Zar Lazar, Well, everybody nailed it, 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:16.040 joined us always buying our Bark David match no Rechu. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.439 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex barks. All right, so 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.240 maybe this is where we where we veer off. Yeah, uh, 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:31.240 Michael Flour two. I'd probably take michaela flour right now, Alex, 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.120 I was gonna say, I didn't realize some of the 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.200 other options that were out there. I have come way 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.839 off that take based on who some of these interviews 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.160 have been. We're gonna get into the offensive coordinator search 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.120 for the Patriots here in the second Evan Lazar, Alex 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.360 Barth Patriots Catch twenty two going to be with you 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.640 for the next hour plus. We got some leeway today 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.560 because unfortunately we're not preparing for any sort of game 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.600 or anything right now, so we got some leeway. Let's 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:00.480 let's tell that this is going to be our time 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.720 slot for the most party for the rest of the offer, 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.119 at least right through the draft. Yes, that's the hope. 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.560 That's not the big announcement, But that's not the big announced. 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.959 I know we've been jumping around people on Twitter always 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:13.240 asking I feel bad because people want consistency, right, they 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.880 want their schedule. This is gonna be it for the 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.440 next couple months at least. This is going to be 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.280 when we're doing the show YEP two pm and also 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:23.520 on YouTube. We're gonna be on YouTube YEP. I know 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.480 people like the video version, so we're gonna be on YouTube, 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:29.679 patriots dot com and on the Patriots YouTube channel for 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.520 those that like the video. We're gonna get into the 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.080 big announcement. You want to do it now. I want 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:36.920 to do it now because I want to break it down, 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:38.560 I know, but I want to wait to the end 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:40.039 of the show because that's how you get people to 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.920 listen to the entire show. That's good radio. I'm supposed 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:44.960 to be the radio guy. That's good radio. That's fair. 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:46.959 I can't believe I'm telling you this, right. I'm just 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.160 all jacked up about them, very exciting. I'm excited about 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.320 it too, But we're gonna get into that. I want 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:55.000 to start with the coordinator search and I said it 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.320 on Unfiltered I'll repeat my take for people that just 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:02.240 listen to us here. I'm concerned about some of the 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.120 names that I'm hearing, And the main reason why I 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:10.520 am concerned is that the number one thing that I 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:14.800 wanted them to check off in this search and in 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:19.560 this higher was experience. That was the number one thing 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:25.160 I cared about. Experience running an NFL offense, calling plays 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:30.800 in an NFL offense, working with quarterbacks in the NFL experience. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.920 I think that last year one of the biggest issues 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:40.880 that you had, along with maybe just the overall knowledge 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.000 on that side of the football, but I think one 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:45.639 of the bigger issues that you had was that Matt 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:49.079 Patricia was a first time play caller with a young 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:53.600 quarterback learning that role on the fly. And I understand 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:58.160 no quarterbacks coaches, right, I understand that Keenan mccartell and 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:03.639 Sean Jefferson and Adrian clem those guys grew up on offense. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.160 They played offense, They grew up in offense, and they 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:10.280 are way more experienced in terms of their NFL exposures 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.840 to the offensive side of the ball than Matt Patricia 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:16.320 ever was. So in that respect, they have a lot 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:20.799 more experience. They have NFL resumes for offensive coaches, no 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.560 doubt about it. But I look at this situation and 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:28.880 I say, if the guys that they're bringing in are 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:30.440 and we're going to break down each one of them 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:34.239 to individually too, but just as a big picture takeaway, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.000 the guys that they're bringing in, if this is they're 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.240 bringing them in to actually interview them to be a 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:43.120 part of the staff that they're putting together for Bill 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.240 O'Brien or they're putting together even though I wouldn't love it. 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.360 But if they're putting it together for Doug Marone or 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:52.280 something like then I can understand the method to the madness. 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:54.400 But if you're just going to hand the keys to 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:58.840 the Patriots offense in twenty twenty three over to Sean Jefferson, 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.880 who has been coaching under Cliff Kingsbury, who is the 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:06.560 offense in Arizona, calls the plays, it's his system, it's 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:12.280 it's his game. I have hesitations about that, and I 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.120 wouldn't have the same hesitations. Like let's say that it 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.400 was Zach Robinson that they're bringing in, because Zach Robinson 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:23.400 has played quarterback, and Zach Robinson fits that mold of 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.960 former NFL quarterback. He's the Kevin O'Connell right like, he's 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.719 he fits that new age Ken Dorsey that what's going 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.800 on around the league. These guys. I like that they're 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:37.960 outside the box a little bit. I like that they're 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:42.720 not necessarily names that all of us may be guessed 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.039 or or maybe names that that have been It's not 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.960 like chat o'shay right, it's not all names like that. 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.480 I know they've played with Belichick or or related somehow 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:55.040 to Belichick in some way, but they're not really. They're 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:59.400 not a nosha, They're not like somebody that's just like that, right, 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.320 that's in tr in the Belichick way of thinking. So 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.080 I like that element of it, but I'm very concerned 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.200 about the experienced factor and giving a first time play 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.760 caller another shot here next year. So I think we 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:12.960 have the exact same take. I'm just looking at a 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:17.120 glass half full. You're looking at a glass half empty. Shocker, yeah, shockert. 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.360 Sean Jefferson is one of the best wide receivers coaches 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.359 in the League's Calvin Johnson, who knows a thing or 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.480 two about the position. Because because coaching Calvin Johnson to 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.839 a Hall of Fame career is that I'm supposed to 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.520 get like, listen, give him credit. Listen, he was Calvin 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.120 Johnson's wide receivers coach for the first six years of 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.279 his career. And Calvin Johnson came from a triple option 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.400 system in college. You're gonna tell me a guy from 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.840 him coming from a triple option system didn't need a 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:44.960 little bit of help along the way. He did that 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:47.120 all on his own in that organization. That was a 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.560 nobody does all on its own. But like, are we're 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.839 gonna take Randy Moss's wide receiver coach and say, oh wow, 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:55.960 look at the great job he did with or Keenan 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.880 McCardell at Justin Jefferson. So well, but here you don't 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.160 put any stock into that fact that he coached, all right, 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.320 I put some in and with mccartyll more impressive to me. 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:10.360 Let's take McCardell for example. They have some younger receivers, 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.440 Like if he had fixed Jalen Rager, that would have 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:18.400 been more than he worked with Stefon Diggs in Maryland. McCardell, Okay, 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:22.080 I mean, here's my point. Here's my point. They have 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.720 talked to people who have and to what extent they 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.880 were part of the development we can debate. We don't 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:32.239 really know, but we're around the development of some really 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.360 impressive wide receivers. But this is like this just just 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.880 just listen, all right. Two of the four guys who 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.840 know they've interviewed come from wide receiver backgrounds. Yeah, I 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.240 am totally with you on the fact that I want 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.440 a guy who's called plays before. I want a guy 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.159 who's quarterback focused. I want a guy who's been ahead 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.279 coach before, so he has that sort of reputation. So 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:59.000 I still take Bill O'Brien over Keenan McCardell or over 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.280 Sean Jefferson. But the fact they're even doing those interviews, 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.400 and I'm with you if you can get one of 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.000 those guys here as the wide receivers coach, and you 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:09.840 got to give him some sort of bump, right, but 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:13.000 let's call it wide receivers coach slash passing game coordinator. Right. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.320 It tells me they are serious about changing the way 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.160 they do things at the wide receiver position, which is 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.600 something they need to do. We've talked about this a 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:26.120 lot about how they need that true number one, and 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.720 neither one of us are exactly sure, and the class 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.640 is part of this, but we're not exactly sure that 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.840 going into the class is the way that they're going 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:35.680 to do that, they have to go the expensive route, 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.560 trade for a guy, give them a new contract. I 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.000 still think even if they brought in one of those guys, 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.360 that's the route they should go. But it tells me 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.000 that they are serious about changing the approach at the 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.360 wide receiver position. That is encouraging. It doesn't mean I 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.680 think mccardeller Jefferson should be the number one candidate. I don't. 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.600 I still think it should be O'Brien and even honestly 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.680 with Adrian Clem. Yeah, first of all, Oregon offense last 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.440 year was how it performed versus how it should have performed. 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:06.480 And maybe this isn't as much on Clem, but again 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.680 he was in the building for this. Bo Knicks by 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.640 the time he was done at Auburn was a complete mess, complete, 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:17.440 seemed unsalvageable. Goes to Oregon gets in the Heisman conversation. Now, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.160 Adrian Clem wasn't the one coaching up the quarterback, but 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:22.800 that was a massive quarterback turnaround, and he was in 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.680 some of those meetings. He was on the staff that 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:28.320 did it. I also think, did you talk about development. 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:30.920 Their first round pick needs to be a tackle. We 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.920 both agree on this you need an offensive line coach 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:38.000 and experienced guy to be to help that guy along. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.800 So I still think Bill O'Brien's number one candidate. I 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.360 wish they were talking to some more people with quarterback backgrounds, 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.480 a quarterback equivalent of a guy like Adrian Clem or 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:52.240 a guy like Keenan McCardell. But I do like that 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.720 they are bringing those sorts up people with that sort 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:59.560 of background into the building to talk to. That to 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.240 me is ass because that's what this staff outside of 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:09.240 Troy Brown didn't have last year. That viewpoint I come 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.679 back to that if Adrian Clem is coming here as 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:16.160 the offensive line coach and Keenan McCardell is coming here 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.320 as the wide receivers and pass game coordinator, that's a 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.440 totally different conversation. So this is what again, we're saying 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.000 the same thing, We're just viewing it differently. I I 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:26.720 need the guy at the top tagline of the show. 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:28.240 I do to need the guy at the top. I 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.040 need the guy that is going to come in and 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:34.160 that is going to people are going to look around 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.440 and look at him and see and say that guy 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:40.040 knows what he's doing right. This guy has experienced, this 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:44.640 guy has knowledge, this guy is everything makes sense where 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.559 we are all on the same page and we understand 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.920 what the goal is here on offense and what the 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.360 system is and all those types of things. I think 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.240 it's great that your wide receiver point, I think is 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.679 a fair one. And I wonder with all these interviews 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.840 of wide receivers coaches, what this means for Troy Brown's 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.360 future with the team. I wonder if that's a spot 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:06.920 that they look at and say, we're not coaching this 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.000 well enough here and we need a total new perspective. 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.120 And along those lines, I like the idea that as 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.200 we kind of get into who these people really are, 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.600 that this is going to offer some fresh perspective from 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:26.520 a conceptual standpoint or schematic standpoint. Where mccartell is in 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:30.640 that West Coast Shanahan tree, that's the type of coach 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.000 that he is, not just with Kevin O'Connell, but with 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.400 Nathaniel Hackett, with Jay Gruden, with some other coaches that 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.880 he's been under, you know, our offensive coordinators and head 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.000 coaches that he's been under. He's been coaching in the 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:46.679 West Coast Shanahan style system. So that suggests that he 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:50.240 would probably run something that resembles that. And we've talked 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.640 about this a lot about the Patriots potentially going in 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:58.040 that direction. We've we're throwing out names over the last 0:10:58.120 --> 0:10:59.719 Can we throw some breaking news in here real quick? 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.280 And it's sort of we knew according to Ian rapport, 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:09.800 the Patriots have officially now interviewed Bill O'Brien. So this 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:11.960 is where this is. I think this is what it 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.920 was happening, and that's I'm glad we got this while 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.080 we were on the air. First of all, I'm excited 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.720 that that's great news. But second of all, this is 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.480 what I think is happening. Because there's a report out there, 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.880 and I don't know how true it is. I don't 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.439 want to be married to it, but there's a report 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.559 out there that Bill Belichick had some sort of meeting 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.760 of the minds with Doug Marone, right, and Doug Moron 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.320 was somebody that he checked in with just to get 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:41.040 his perspective on some of the offensive coaches, younger coaches 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.160 around the league. In the NFL. It was with New 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.079 Orleans right now, Doug Morone is and now they go in, 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:50.560 they interview McCardell, they interview Sean Jefferson, they interview Adrian Clem. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.760 When I look at what they're doing here, I think 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.199 they're putting together a staff. I think they're putting together 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.280 a staff. And then they're interviewed all these other guys 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:03.120 that getting all these other guys in the building and 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:07.400 on the know, and now here comes Bill O'Brien to interview, 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.640 to tie it, to tie it all together. And if so, 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:11.800 now can we go back to my take about it 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.040 would be perfect? Yeah, And that's where I was coming 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.040 from from the from the jump. So I'm glad that 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.600 you brought it your perspective on it, because I don't 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.240 want to come at it from a negative angle one 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.040 hundred percent, because I think that that's a great thing. 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:27.160 And if I had to put my hat in a 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:31.400 ring here, a Bill O'Brien Sean Jefferson duo is where 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.720 I would love to see them go. Okay, why Jefferson 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.160 over McCardell, because I like the spread better for mac 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.400 Jones and I like the West. I understand that you 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:41.640 look out in San Francisco and you see what Brock 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.400 Purdy's doing in that system, and you say, well, why 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.480 why not us? Right? Why can't we do that. I 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.360 think in order to really truly be able to run 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:54.240 that system, you need to be your last name needs 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.640 to either be shanahan or McVeagh, right, Like, there's only 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.439 a handful of guys that I fully trust in stalling 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:03.320 that kind of scheme. Now, other guys about you, La 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:08.040 Floor and Arthur Smith is touched in that category. What 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.600 what McCardell, I think does a little bit more of 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.360 that maybe or what the vic They're more like North 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.360 Turner West Coast, right, so it's not quite as So 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.440 that's the thing, like they ran it's their own, like 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.280 they didn't have cousins going out, you know, moving all 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.840 over they so they do half boot with cousins, where 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.600 like it's a it's a boot, but it's not as 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.640 elongated as like a full on bootlegg So that's the thing. 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.439 I look at what phrasing there, it's great, I look 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:37.800 at what Cousins did this past season. Yeah, I don't 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.920 think that that's out of the question for Matt Jones, 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:44.160 like those sorts of so, like I'm I would take 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:45.640 either one. I'm not really sure which way to go 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.199 McCardell or I guess the interesting thing about Sean Jefferson 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.160 is he has had that associate head coach tag, right, 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.760 so maybe he has a little more of that experience 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.160 in that room. Also, maybe it makes them a little 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.280 harder to get though, if it's not the OC job. 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:04.480 I I don't think they're not. I don't McCardell's not 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:06.760 gonna go full Shanahan. No, I don't know if I 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:08.760 necessarily go full shit. And also do they have the 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:15.079 speed to run that sort of spread like which which 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.520 branch which direction? In terms of those two offense you 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.760 just laid out requires less personnel change, and they need 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.080 personnel change on offense when we or the other I 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:30.040 think that they could run Bill O'Brien's twenty eleven offense tomorrow. Okay, 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.560 but you're talking about them running the Cardell's or Jefferson's 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.600 in terms of that. So the reason why I like 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.320 the Jefferson combo better with O'Brien is because I think 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:43.000 he brings some of that Kingsbury into what they're already 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.840 doing with the Alabama So you like so you like 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.560 the marriage of what Jefferson what the Cardinals are, right, 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.680 I just think that makes more sense because I think 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.160 they're speaking a similar language, okay at that point, but 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:56.000 I look at that twenty and it's it's beyond twenty eleven. 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:57.880 I think people hear that and they think of the 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.440 two tight end offense, right. I mean, and that's natural, 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.440 and it's definitely a part of it. And I know 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.160 you have two tight ends here that you're paying a 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:05.680 lot of money to that you hope you're going to 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.200 get more out of. But I just look at it too, 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.960 just the way that they I think what they were 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.360 trying to do last year was they were trying to 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.600 put Mac in the gun. They're trying to spread the field, 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.760 and it was too volatile. Right, We've been over this 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.640 a million times. It was either there was turnovers, there 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:26.440 was issues on first and second down with efficiency, and 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.600 there was big plays where there was moments, but it 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.320 wasn't consistent enough. I think what you can get out 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.680 of a guy like Bill O'Brien coming in is that 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.960 you can have something that's a little bit more efficient, 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.720 and that's what that twenty eleven offense was. Right. That 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:45.920 twenty eleven offense was not necessarily a sixty yard touchdown 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:47.800 every single time they stepped on the field, right, That 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.720 was an efficient spread pace type of system, and we've 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.440 gone through the numbers on this about the Patriots ability 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.800 to move the ball on non explosive plays and how 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:00.240 that was such an issue in twenty twenty two. O'Brien's like, 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:01.800 you said, it's going to fix that. I know we 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.640 don't really do this on the show, but Evan, if 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:05.880 you'll allow me here because this is interesting, We've got 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.120 one more tweet here for me and rapports. So he 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:12.880 just reported O'Brien has interviewed past past tense, the Patriots 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:16.000 have interviewed, and then he added with this literally minute 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:21.360 ago the page he quote tweets Josina Anderson's tweet from yesterday, yeah, 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:26.720 saying McCardell will interview on Thursday, which is today, rapaport 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.280 a minute ago. The Patriots aren't done interviewing, but they 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.600 may be by tomorrow. They may be done by Tomart, 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:37.080 which is now, which would be Friday. So are we 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.160 going to find out Bill O'Brien's the offensive coordinator by tomorrow? 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.200 We'll at five o'clock. Now. That seems to suggest that 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.720 McCardell's the last interview, right, and if they still want 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.000 to talk to him after interviewing O'Brien that does that 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:53.600 suggest they want McCardell. I don't know. I couldn't be 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.840 ready too much into it, right. What it comes down 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.880 to is what I keep. But I think you're right. 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.960 I think, do you do you think is this? It? 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:06.040 Is this the list? McCardell, Jefferson, Clem O'Brien, Kayley. Are 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.400 those the candidates? I think that that's the staff next year. 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.840 I think they want I know Sean Jefferson and McCardell 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.040 are both going to be here, but also we don't 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.280 know what Kayley's going to be here. I think that 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:20.040 they are. I think they would ideally like to retain Kayley, 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.400 and I think that's why they gave him the interview 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.400 was as kind of a goodwill gesture of we're gonna 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.360 put your name in the ring, right, We're gonna We're 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.240 gonna try to give you that. But I think the 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.560 biggest thing is is that you look at this and 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.919 I think that this is actually on top of the 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:38.119 fact that we're also trying, I think, to get some 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.879 fresh perspectives and some new ideas and some new life 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:43.960 into this coaching estaff, which is important, especially on offense. 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.480 I also think that they're trying to set up some 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.080 sort of longevity with it as well, Where if Bill 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.760 O'Brien gets the job next year and he's the coordinator 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.640 in twenty twenty three and he coaches his butt off 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:59.960 and mac Jones has a great season and the Patriots 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.000 or a top ten offense. Again, Alex, I mean, you 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:04.720 know as well as I do, he's gonna have head 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:09.080 coaching offers, right, So when he gets those head coaching offers, well, now, 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.840 Bill O'Brien has had Sean Jefferson on the staff with 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.480 him this year, and he's groomed them right, And now 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.199 Sean Jefferson just takes the keys, and he might might 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.359 not be somebody that is as much of a flight risk, 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.120 right like right, he might not be someone that's gone 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:25.720 after a season or two. He might be able to 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.440 be here for an extended period of time. So again, 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.760 I come back to if all of these other interviews, 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.920 the Clems, the Jefferson's, the McCardell's of the world, were 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:38.560 all because Bill O'Brien handed them a short list and said, 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.199 this is what I think I would like my staff 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.840 to look like if we had an ideal world and 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:46.639 they go out and they and they start to make 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.760 connections with those guys. Then Bill O'Brien comes over the top. 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:51.919 They get the guys that they can get. Maybe they 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:53.760 don't get all of them, right, but they get a 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:55.360 couple of them, They get one of them to get 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.480 two of them, and then they go from there. The 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.359 biggest one along with I love your point about the receivers. 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.199 I think that's very valid. Offensive line coach like that, 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.679 I think is a massive, massive thing. Yes, Doug Marone 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.879 is an offensive line coach. He's coached on Bill O'Brien's 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:13.200 staff before. They have a very very deep rooted relationship. 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.520 I don't know what Doug marone situation is in New 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:18.520 Orleans in terms of contract, and it would be a 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:22.800 lateral move and maybe it's offensive line coach and run 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.359 game coordinator, right Like, maybe you put that that title 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:29.199 on there, so it's not technically a lateral move. But 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:31.680 I think that that's another one that's a big spot. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.240 So maybe Doug Marone and Adrian Klamer the finalist to 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:39.040 be offensive line coach here next year on Bill O'Brien's staff, right, Like, 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:40.680 maybe that's what they're looking at it and that's what 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.320 they end up doing, then I am fully on board 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:44.720 with it. I would love it, And I don't know, 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:48.600 can they get Morone as one of those like I 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:50.560 think it's his Oh no, he is the offensive line 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:52.800 coach with the Saints. Can they get him as one 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:56.119 of those like offensive consultant coaches? Like wasn't that Brett 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.439 Bielma's role when he was here on defense? Yeah? Like 0:19:58.440 --> 0:19:59.800 he didn't have a title, right, he was just like 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.240 a I think he did eventually, but I understand what 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:03.840 you're saying. It's you know what I mean. Yeah, it's 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.280 kind of like the quality control but a little bit above. 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:08.119 This is the NFL version of that. Yeah, he was. 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:10.720 He was the consultant to the head coach. That was 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.240 his title in twenty eighteen, and he mainly worked with 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.440 the defense them and then he was the defensive line 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.520 coach in twenty nineteen. So could they get you know it, 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.360 we're Adrian Clem as your offensive line coach and Doug 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:26.200 Morone is just this other guy who's around with some title. 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:28.960 Because it is still a young staff. If that's you 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:31.000 do have Bill O'Brien, but beyond him, it's a young 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.239 staff and just having another I don't want to say 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.000 another adult in the room because it implies the other 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.760 guys aren't adults. But guy who's been there, done that. Yeah, 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:41.280 another another experienced voice. This has been a huge take 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:45.440 of mine all offseason, Evan is. There's a lot of 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.240 focus on the offensive coordinator, and there should be, and 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.520 rightfully so, but a lot of the times and this 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:53.120 is what we do on this show that doesn't get 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:55.800 done on other shows, other shows that got other stuff 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.320 to get to. They want to get to the glitz 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.320 and the glam and whatever, and they say, all right, 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:03.280 well you get the new offensive coordinator. Everything's fixed to 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:08.200 move on the getting the offensive coordinators. Big. But there 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.080 was that great piece on NFL Network last week. I 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:14.000 think I sent it to you about Ivan Fears and 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:18.680 Dante's karnet. Yeah, and how impactful they were. They're here 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:23.520 for twenty years, right they left. McDaniels had been the 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.480 quarterbacks coach here for a decade and then going back 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:30.040 to his first stint, he's no longer here. Right. It's 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:32.800 not just the offensive coordinate. They used to have one of, 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:38.679 if not the best positional coaching staff groups in the NFL. 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:45.399 Between McDaniels Scars obviously the Highlights Fears offensive staff. I 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:49.600 would be hard I don't. Yeah, so I'll name the 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.959 names in a second. Yeah, I don't. I don't know 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:57.679 enough about like Bill Walsh's staff, or Don Corriel's staff, 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.600 or or some of the legendary offense of minds. But 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:05.280 I would be hard pressed to find a better offensive 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:09.639 coaching staff in NFL history than the twenty sixteen Patriots. 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:15.280 Josh McDaniel offensive coordinator, Dante Scarneckia offensive line coach, Ivan Fears, 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:19.840 running backs coach, Brian Dable tight ends, Chadow Shay wide receiver. 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:24.920 Who's the quarterbacks coach McDaniels, Yeah, Chopinski here. No, So 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:28.800 they had some other lower guys were we're already there, right, 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:32.160 you know some guys I yeah, Kaylee was like an 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:37.000 offensive assistant. Yeah, Mike Pellegrino's obviously the quarterback corner backs. 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:40.679 Excuse me with the Sea coach that he was a 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.040 low level assistant at that point in time. But just 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:47.359 to think about that staff, right, and Dabel might end 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:49.600 up being the best one out of all, right, and 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:51.840 he was just the coach should be Coach of the Year, 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:55.600 He should be Coach of the Year this year. I'm saying, Um, 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:58.880 the point being, look, you're not necessarily going to get 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:01.680 back to that level, right, You're just like you said, 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:05.560 it's so absurd. But the Patriots did this great job 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:07.920 over twenty years. If they were always guys in the pipeline, 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:11.919 like they went from Kernell to Dean Peas, but like 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:15.840 Dan Pas was an assistant under Kernell, and then Matt 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.760 Patricia was an assistant under Peas, right, and then Brian 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:22.200 Flores was an assistant under Patricia, And there's just this pipeline. 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:23.840 And you kind of had it on the offensive side 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:26.560 of the ball too, where you had McDaniels work under 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:30.800 Weiss and then you had O'Brien work under McDaniels. They 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:33.480 that pipeline sort of stopped on the offensive side. I 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:35.520 think on the defensive side of the ball it still exists. 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:37.640 I liked their staff on the defensive side of the ball, 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:41.560 I really do. UM, But I think DeMarcus Covington he's 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:45.760 gonna coordinate the shrine. He sneaky up and coming, like 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:47.800 he's one of those guys that that they have in 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:49.720 the pipeline on defense. We obviously know how much they 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.160 loved Gerard Mayo based on the statement last week, right, 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:56.280 But I think that getting to bring it back to 0:23:56.280 --> 0:24:00.760 the point, this is not that offensive staff. The pipeline 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:04.760 has dried up. They need to reinvigorate not just the 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.640 offensive coordinator job, at the positional coaches as well, because 0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:11.000 those guys are so much more important than people realize. 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:13.800 And again, we look at this list, it's sort of 0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:15.960 like we just talked about, and I actually just typed 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:18.360 it out here, just the list of interviewees, and you've 0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:23.000 alluded to this O'Brien, McCardell, Jefferson, clem Kayley. That's a staff. 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:25.800 That's what I'm saying. That's the staff. So get the 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:28.920 offensive coordinator hired. But after that, we're not done with 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:31.800 the coaching staff. Who's who's the three big ones, who's 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:34.719 the QB coach, who's the wide receiver's coach, who's the 0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:38.119 offensive line coach? Gotta get those answered. And even if 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:41.840 Bill O'Brien is the quarterbacks coach on top of being 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:44.480 the offensive coordinator, which he was his first stint here, 0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:47.560 and McDaniels was at the end of his time here. Yeah, 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.520 McDaniels was for a decade forever. Yeah, and then Jed 0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:52.960 Fish I think stopped that streak. And then bo heart 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:56.160 Agree comes in and well, so here's in twenty twenty one, 0:24:57.040 --> 0:25:00.600 McDaniels was the quarterbacks coach. Heart Agree was listed as 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:03.040 an offensive assistant, but it was pretty clear just watching 0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:06.520 that he was the assistant quarterbacks coach. Yea, even if 0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:09.760 O'Brien is the OC and quarterbacks coach, he's got to 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:13.200 go do other offensive coordinator stuff at times. Go get 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:16.480 that assistant quarterbacks coach whoever. I don't have a name. Unfortunately, 0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:18.960 it'd help this take if I had a name name 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:21.399 a former quarterback who's in coaching or wants to get 0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:24.439 into coaching. That's just gonna live on Max Hip and 0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:26.080 Bill O'Brien's gonna be there and he's gonna be a 0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:28.080 big part of it. But when Bill's got to go 0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:29.840 meet with the other coaches to come up with the 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.600 game plan, Max still got a coach there with him. 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:37.960 I think that Bohart Agree was an understated loss when 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.879 he went to Vegas with Josh McDaniels and Soam and 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:43.840 Chaplinsky on the field, right, filling that role would be 0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:46.840 would be big. Okay, let's take Patty's call. If you 0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:49.399 want to call in and give your your take asks 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:52.040 the questions eight five five pats five hundred. You can 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.919 also email us at web radio at Patriots dot com 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.800 and then, uh, let's answer Patty's question or take his call. 0:25:57.880 --> 0:25:59.640 Then we're gonna get into his positional needs and we'll 0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:01.280 circle act to this at the end and make sure 0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:03.520 we button this up. But we got to the announcement, 0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:06.440 so oh in the announcement, of course, Satty, Patty, what's up? Man? 0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:10.840 I can't take credit for this question. I think it 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:14.160 was either Russ Goldman or Steve Bellistry that that sort 0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:18.879 of had this hypothesis. But if you're your Belichick, your Craft, 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:23.159 you're the ownership group, you do you like put all 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.879 your chips on on Nick Kayley to hopefully have him stay. 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:29.639 And let's say O'Brien signed a two year contract. You 0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:32.320 have him out of the contract, but have Nick Kayley 0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:37.560 as that offensive coordinator in waiting. So you're saying you 0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:41.480 would give Nick Kayley assurances that he would be the 0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:46.520 offensive coordinator eventually to keep him on the Patriots staff. Yeah, 0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.160 because you know, I mean, this is this is sort 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:53.800 of a I mean, if if everything goes well, this 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:56.399 is just sort of a like patting your resume for 0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:58.960 Bill O'Brien. So I don't like if if they do 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:01.520 a hire him, I don't see him here past two years. Yeah, 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:03.879 that's a that's a good question, Patty, And that was 0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:06.199 thanks for the call. I think that's why when we 0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:09.040 were talking about Sean Jefferson and KINGO McCardell as kind 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:12.640 of waiting in the wings with O'Brien bridging that gap now, 0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:15.880 but it couldn't be Kayley, how long's he gonna wait? Right? 0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:17.960 They already made him wait this year and he's been 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:23.080 he's been on staff for eight years. I mean, in theory, yeah, 0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:26.200 you could do that. I don't know that Kayley agrees that. Honestly, 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:29.040 I don't know that O'Brien agrees to that. Having the 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.040 next guy right there over his shoulder to one thing 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:33.919 Patty said, I would push back on a little bit 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.160 that this is just patting his resume for Bill O'Brien. 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:38.840 Bill O'Brien was supposed to get a big time college 0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:42.560 football head coaching gig. When the season started, he had 0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:46.240 he took Bryce Younger the heisman. That offense was a wagon. Now. 0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.040 They lost a lot of talent in the draft, and 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.160 you kind of had this epiphany the other night. I'd 0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:55.600 been trying to tell you about it. Alabama's offensive personnel 0:27:55.680 --> 0:28:00.200 this past year, like the players, wasn't what it's typically been. 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.320 No love Jimir Gibbs. I think he can play the 0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:05.800 wide receivers. That that chain of going, you know, all 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:09.080 the way back to really Julio Jones under Sabin, that 0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:12.760 run of wide receivers. They lost a couple of guys 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:16.080 in the draft, Aggie Hall transferred to Texas, dried up 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:19.399 a little bit, but the numbers weren't there, the production 0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:21.760 wasn't there, that the success wasn't there. This isn't Bill 0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:23.600 O'Brien patting his resume. This is him trying to get 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:28.280 a reset. It's it's an interesting thing about Alabama's offense. 0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:31.080 And you and I are gonna keep hammering this. If 0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.480 they do make this higher and they hire Bill Brian 0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:35.439 and I know people are gonna all you're you know, 0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:39.480 you're making excuses for him. It's Alabama I have never seen. 0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:42.000 I look, I watch Alabama tape for the last three 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.680 or four years. In the draft season, every single year 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.720 they got seventeen guys right that you're watching wide receivers, 0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:52.560 lineman quarterbacks. Obviously with Mac running backs, I watched him 0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:55.959 every offseason. I watch Alabama a hundred times. On offense, 0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:59.960 I have never seen an Alabama receiving course so slow 0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:04.280 in the four years that i've really seriously as they 0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:08.160 have no speed at receiver comparative comparatively speak. When you 0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:11.800 watched Alabama's offense, it remind you of the Patriots twenty 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:15.200 two offense at all in terms of that. Yes, well 0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:17.680 not just the whole thing was built around Jamire Gibbs 0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:20.640 at running back, like they used Jamire Gibbs like the 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:24.920 Patriots use Romontres Stevenson. If he wasn't creating the play 0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.640 like Cameron Laws to the tight end had a couple 0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:30.600 nice plays. Yeah, he's kind of Hunter Henry right, yeah, right. 0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:34.160 Beyond that, there was Bright It wasn't Price Young's fault. 0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:36.760 It was I mean, he was hurt for part of 0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:38.560 the year, so in that sense, I don't know that 0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:42.720 he was one hundred percent, but it did. Now, again 0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:44.400 that's because of the personnel. I don't think that's Bill 0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:46.680 O'Brien deciding to do that. They tried to throw the 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:49.560 ball early. They couldn't do it, so they just built 0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:51.960 the whole thing around Gibbs. It's crazy to watch that 0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:57.280 because when you see, for example, just I have a 0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:01.160 million cutups of Bill O'Brien stuff for fully, I've already 0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:05.400 prepared for when they make this higher, right, just you 0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:07.320 have stuff prepared for the other guys too, write a 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.480 little bit. I have to get in Jefferson, and well, 0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:13.400 I guess Jefferson. I have all my my Cliff, my 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:17.200 Cliff folder, which will be all Jefferson stuff as well. 0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:22.160 But with with O'Brien, when you pull clips from the 0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:25.800 twenty one Bama offense and then you pull clips from 0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:27.960 the twenty two Bama offense, it's like it's like a 0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.040 totally different team, right, I mean it just Bryce Young 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:33.760 still there. Well, they lost so much talent. Yeah, so 0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:37.400 the receiving corps is not I was watching their film 0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:41.320 against ole Miss from this past season. The old Miss 0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:45.600 secondary was covering their receivers no problem. When's the last 0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:47.720 time that you could say that an ole Miss defense 0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:50.520 could keep up with Alabama like in a and now 0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:53.720 now heading that type of speed game. They actually had 0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.200 some ballers in the secondary. I can't remember they have 0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:59.440 one corner that that I like that he's not eligible, 0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:01.480 but yeah, you're right, I'm just trying to flex some 0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:03.840 college football stuff. You are right, Yeah, it was. It 0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.960 was tough to watch at times, all right, so that 0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:09.560 we got a couple of questions here um as well 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:15.600 on the email that about Doug Marone. You know, how 0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:17.640 likely is it that they can pull him out of 0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:22.440 New Orleans. I think it's likely because of the relationship 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:25.160 that he has with O'Brien, right, if O'Brien is the 0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:30.520 coordinator here, right, Apparently they go way way roommates I heard. 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.880 I think I think it's the wives were roommates. The 0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:36.000 wise were roommates. But they also apparently coach coached together 0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:39.719 at the Coastguard Academy. Who knows, Hey, I go back. 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:42.680 I have called Coastguard Academy football. They run the triple option. 0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:45.560 They go way back. But if you're bringing in a 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:50.040 guy like Marone to be a line coach, then then 0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:52.000 Adrian Clem is out right, like Adrian Clem is not 0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:54.120 going to come here and give up all those titles 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:57.520 in Oregon to be the assistant offensive line Well, unless 0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:01.120 it's one of those things where again, like I said that, 0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:05.560 you know Clems the offensive line coach, and Marone is 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.880 just this other sort of guy, or like the Michael 0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:12.600 Lombardi role or or yeah, yeah, that's why keep going 0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.320 back to that Bill Moro because it feels comparable. I 0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.160 think that too, because if that report is true that 0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:21.120 Bill was in New Orleans to talk to Doug Morone, Yeah, 0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:25.840 then something tells me that there is an maybe Bill 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.080 needs that offensive consultant. Right, Bills a defensive guy, we 0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:32.800 know that, so maybe he's looking at Moron as sort 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:35.480 of this this offensive guy that's been an offense for 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:37.840 a hundred years and knows the ins and outs of 0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:41.280 the coaching cycle and all that type of stuff. So 0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:44.360 it's definitely possible. But that's the news of the hour 0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:49.160 right now. The Patriots officially did interview Bill O'Brien for 0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:51.880 their offensive coordinator role, And as Alex and I have 0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:55.640 been saying, if all these other interviews are just to 0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:58.560 build a staff for Bill O'Brien, then everything sort of 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.719 falls into place and the awesome Yeah, then this is 0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:06.200 as good as you could have hope for. All Right, 0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.560 I want to change gears here, and if there's any 0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:13.040 more offensive coaching staff. I see stuff. We're definitely going 0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:14.960 to get into it, but we want to get to 0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:17.200 positional needs we didn't have. Did you say there are questions? 0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.240 There was a couple of that. Was it okay? And 0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:21.880 if you want to call on eight five five pass 0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:24.520 five hundred again, is the is the phone number? I 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:26.600 want to get into these positional needs. Kind of pivot 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.560 here from the coaching staff to the roster. Because we're 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:31.640 talking so much about the coaching staff all over the 0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:33.400 place on Patriots dot com bat I don't feel like 0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:36.240 we're talking a whole lot about the roster. Well, I mean, 0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:37.840 it's great to have good coaches, but you have to 0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:39.840 good let's burch that and we kind of talked about 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.720 it before, at least on the offensive side of the ball. 0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:45.400 Isn't who they hire going to somewhat dictate the personnel? 0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:47.600 I would hope so, And I mean that as in 0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:50.200 I would hope that they are going to give him 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:53.440 the power to dictate some of the personnel. I understand 0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:56.480 Bill O'Brien's track record with personnel and Houston was horrible. 0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:58.800 I mean that DeAndre Hopkins trade probably got him fired. 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.560 I get that, but I still trust Bill O'Brien more 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:04.920 than I trust their current brain trust to drop this offense. 0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:06.440 I'm sorry. We've talked about it, and I don't think 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:08.759 it's their number one need. I think it's number three. 0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:13.240 They need that big, number one receiver that's gonna dictate. 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:18.959 Just here's my point. Yes, the guy that O'Brien's gonna 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:21.840 want might be different than the guy McCardell wants or 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:25.240 Jefferson wants. Right, and if they're gonna run different schemes, 0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:27.439 they might want different guys. And maybe that's a part 0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:29.960 of I think the lore for me of a guy 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.800 like Sean Jefferson or Keenan McCardell is actually their scouting 0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.720 ability to look at this is what I'm saying, changing 0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:37.680 the development. Look, if I'm in the room doing these 0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:40.920 interviews with Bill and whoever else is in there, I 0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:43.000 would assume Bill's in there. Yeah. One of the first 0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:46.440 questions I'm asking is, all right, we've determined we need 0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:48.719 to go get Mac Jones, the guy. It's the third year. 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:52.680 We want our A j Brown, our STEFONDI who do 0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:56.359 you like offensive coordinator candidate who? And I don't there's 0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:58.480 no right if I was the office, there's no right 0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.560 or wrong answer. Well I was offensive ahead, I'll interview you. 0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:04.560 If I was the offensive coordinator candidate, I'd flipped the 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.480 script and I'd say, who do you like? Because no offense, 0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:09.960 you're the one with the bad track record? Right, Like 0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:15.839 i I'm Keenan McCardell. I've got Justin Jefferson. I can't 0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:19.879 remember their other receiver's name. Who's actually been j Yeah, 0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:23.799 he's Osborne or Whatever's good? Isn't jo or terrible that 0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:28.160 he's he's developed into a nice player. I think some 0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:30.640 of the Cardinals is Joe. Yeah. I think some of 0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:33.440 the Cardinals receivers outside of DeAndre Hopkins take it or 0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:35.440 leave it. But I think some of those guys have potential. 0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:38.520 Rondel Moore, if he can stay healthy, certainly has potential. 0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:42.160 So yeah, I think those guys all have better track records, 0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.600 no offense too than the Patriots. No. But but but 0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.120 my point is, like they might all say different guys, right, 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:50.399 and I'm gonna like, all right, Well, I'm just let's say, 0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:52.359 all right, because he's with the Colonels, Let's say Sean 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:55.759 Jefferson sits down and says I'm bringing Deandredre and he 0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:57.680 gives this this. Then he talked to Bill O'Brien, who 0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:02.040 has the history right with with DeAndre, Habinson says, I 0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:03.719 think and he's been in Albam. You know, I want 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.160 to go get Jerry Judy, right, you're gonna sit there 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:07.960 and discuss that, right, Yeah, and then if they both 0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:11.120 get hired that So I think that you have to 0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:13.520 talk about the staff first because you need to know 0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:15.239 what the plan is going to be before you can 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.520 start plugging players into that plan. We can, of course 0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:19.279 do needs, but I'm just saying I think that's a 0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:22.640 good thing. I think that we talk a lot, especially me, 0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.880 to talk so much about scheme and concepts and things 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.040 like that. But at the end of the day, to 0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:30.520 this coaching staff and this they got to make the 0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:33.399 players work too, right, Right, It's not just about well, 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:35.399 what's your system and what do you want to run 0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:37.880 and conceptually what do you believe mac Jones would be 0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:39.920 good at? Like, it goes beyond that too, to the 0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.040 other positions as well. All right, let's go five to one. 0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:44.000 We didn't do this last week and I regretted it. 0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:45.640 So I want to go five to one. We're gonna 0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:47.319 leave the best for last or the number one need 0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:50.080 that we both have for last. So we ranked them 0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:52.520 one through five. I think you wrote a piece that 0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.600 it was like every single position groups didn't. No, I 0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:58.719 did my ten point your ten off season plan, full 0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:02.560 plan from coaching to the draft. So I have positional 0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:05.960 need posting out coming out tomorrow that is has more 0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:11.200 than just Matt doositional needs. I bet we're here, we're 0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:13.160 going to do one through five, just for time purpose, 0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:16.040 five through one, five through one through one. Excuse my 0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:19.320 number five need on my list here for the Patriots 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:24.399 is inside linebacker, off ball linebacker. So I understand that 0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:27.120 they like Juwan Bentley and I like Juan Bentley. I 0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:29.640 think Jowan Bentley has a role that is always going 0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.000 to be in Bill Belichick's defense. The hard hitting Mike 0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:36.240 Sure that's going to forever exist in a Bill Belichick defense. Now, 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:40.400 according to Next Gen, they have gotten more zone heavy 0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:44.080 since twenty nineteen. They just cant that pendulum. It just 0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:48.040 continues to swing towards zone coverage and now this past 0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:50.719 season they were sixty four percent zone, which in the 0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:53.280 Next Gen era is the most zone they've ever played. 0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:55.960 Under Bill Belichick. Now, a lot of that I think 0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:58.600 has to do with the fact of who their corners are, right, 0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:01.000 and they don't feel confident. They don't have a Gilmore, 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:02.760 they don't have a Law, they don't have a Reeves, 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:04.680 they don't have a Talib, they don't have that number 0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:07.720 one corner that he has Jamar Chase. He has Stefon 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:10.040 Diggs that they can really rely on and trust on 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.440 in that role. But I also just think that this 0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:15.480 is the league now of more split safety coverage, more 0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.759 zone coverage. You're playing Josh Allen, you're playing Burrow, You're 0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:21.840 playing Miami's. Like, you can't just sit in man against 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:24.000 those teams all the time. You gotta mix it up. 0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:26.440 You gotta do some different things. You gotta play softer. 0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:28.960 Quite frankly, if you try to go toe to toe 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:31.319 in the ring with Tyreek Hill for four quarters when 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:34.360 two is healthy, you're gonna get burnt eventually. That's just 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:37.279 the nature of the Beast. So I think zone is 0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:39.960 a thing that's going to continue to happen. And I 0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:44.600 look at inside linebacker and every offseason we talk about 0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.560 speed at linebacker, speed at linebacker, But if they're gonna 0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:51.320 be sixty four percent zone until at least they find 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:54.680 that golden goose corner. They need to be more athletic 0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:58.160 at that spot, because Juwan Bentley and Joanni Tavai they 0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:00.480 did their best. But if you're gonna be a truly 0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:03.760 dynamic zone coverage defense, then you have to have speed 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.399 and range at linebacker. You just do. And the name 0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:09.319 I'm not going to give you is another take of 0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:11.719 mind with this offseason. I think the one thing that 0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:14.399 you can take away from the twenty twenty one free 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:17.839 agency spending spree for the Patriots is that I would 0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:22.400 rather pay top of market money to top of market 0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:26.560 players then pay top of market money to the Nelson 0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:28.560 Agaloors and the Johnny Smith of the world, just because 0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:31.080 you need a tight end. So the guy that I 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:33.520 look at in this free agency class that I think 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:37.360 fills a need to a degree but also would just 0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:40.279 make the team better is Tremaine Edmunds from Buffalo. I mean, yeah, 0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:43.359 if he becomes a free agent and Buffalo, they could 0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:45.440 make it work. But let's face it, they got a 0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:47.920 lot of mouse to feed and buffs up players up 0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:51.200 Allen's extensions about to kick in, Someone's going to be 0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:52.919 the off band out and Mulana is an All Pro 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:55.399 player this year, right, just got first team All Pro. 0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:59.160 So Tremaine Edmonds still is two hundred and fifty two 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:01.640 hundred and fifty five pounds, He's six foot four, two fifty. 0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:04.640 I think he's a freak. He's got that athletic freakishness 0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.160 to him, a little like Jamie Collins in that respect, 0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:10.160 in terms of the body type and the athleticism off 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:12.880 the charts. I just think that that's the type of 0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:17.200 player that I would rather pay Tremaine Edmonds the bag 0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:21.399 than pay the bag to a wide receiver, just because 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:24.640 that it's a bigger need, right, Marcus Peters, Right, just 0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:26.880 because it's a bigger need. So that's where I'm at 0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:30.160 at off all linebacker. Where's your what's your number five need? 0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:34.279 My number five need is safety, specifically deep safety. I 0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:39.600 think that Devin mccordy kind of laid the breadcrumbs as 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:41.920 the guy who might be ready to walk away, And 0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:44.880 I don't think people realize how important that deep safety 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:46.719 role is in the Patriots events. Even if they are 0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:49.080 going to beat more zone, I don't think they're gonna 0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:52.879 shift that drastically. Yeah, so getting a guy who can 0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:56.319 play that center field, who his experience there maybe, I mean, 0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:58.719 you can get a guy who's done both, but not 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.120 a guy who's just a purely box safety. Right, So 0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:04.360 I mentioned Poyer's contract is up, Jesse Bates, those are 0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:06.919 the two top safeties, Like, if you're gonna pay top 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:09.279 of the market to replace Devin mccordy, and this is 0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:10.960 a spot you might not be able to address in 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:13.560 the draft because in college football there really aren't a 0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:16.040 ton of true free safeties anymore. It's it's a problem 0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:19.400 everybody plays everything right. And a lot of these college 0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:22.239 teams in college when you watch college film, except the 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:25.080 SEC because that's that's basically an NFL light. But when 0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:27.799 you watch like the Pac twelve, it's quarters. The whole 0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:30.160 game is quite They sit in quarters and they hit 0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:32.759 the top on the defense and that's split safety. And 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:35.040 you see a lot of split safety shells in the 0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:36.880 college game. And now it's trickling up to the NFL. 0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:39.680 So again, Bates and Poyer, interesting free agency if it's 0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:41.560 a spot that they feel like they can coach up 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.799 and they can maybe go second tier. I look at it, 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.560 guy like Von Bell, Yeah, Taylor wraps a guy that 0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:48.279 just seems like the kind of I thought it was 0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:51.279 like draft Yeah, yeah, I mean special team's experiences. But 0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:53.879 now that's you need to coach him up. You need help, 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.520 maybe a draft a guy to compete, but they can't 0:41:56.560 --> 0:41:58.359 spend top tall or everywhere. I know the cap can 0:41:58.400 --> 0:41:59.960 be manipulated, but at the end of the day, there 0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:03.640 is a soft limit. But I think free safety, if 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:07.120 Devin leaves, is a very understated need. I'm a little 0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:09.040 surprised they didn't get ahead of it. Last year. It 0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:11.960 was a sneaky good year for deep safeties in the draft. 0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:15.680 Uh what's his name? In Detroit? Who picked off Rogers 0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:19.040 three times this year? From Illinois? Kirby, Kirby Joseph. We 0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:21.719 were on Kirby. I thought I thought he was like 0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:24.080 the next Devin mccordy. I'm looking at him like, this 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:26.279 is a Devin mccordy. Kind of got sized too, is 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:33.279 a big but I Syracuse right, Illinois, Illinois right Colors, Yeah, yeah, 0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:35.840 the Colors. He had the approximate rank in your conference. 0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:39.400 But yeah, so peel mcguy too. So number four for 0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:42.400 me is free safety. So we're speaking the same language. 0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:45.040 I look at Jesse Bates, and I say, if that 0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:48.879 guy doesn't get re up by Cincinnati, it's the same 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:51.560 as Tremata. I would rather pay Jesse Bates right because 0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:53.400 I know that he's a stud I know he's a 0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:55.919 great player at his position. I think he'd be great here. 0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:59.919 He can play center field. And I also look at it. 0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:02.440 They've done this in the past, and I think they 0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:04.880 got away from it a little bit two free agencies 0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:07.840 ago because they're just throwing money around. But in the 0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:12.640 past they would rather pay the less premium position, a 0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:16.560 little bit more of affordable deal, but get the best player. Right. 0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:19.440 So instead of paying I go back to the corner 0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:21.560 and like Marcus Peters and some of the other free 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:24.280 agent corners that are out there. Instead of paying those 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:27.640 guys top dollar corner money, which is fifteen sixteen million, 0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:31.279 you know, JC Jackson level contracts, Jesse Bates is going 0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:33.520 to come in at like eleven or twelve because safety 0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:36.840 isn't deemed as a premium position compared to corner. But 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:39.200 as you just broke down, and I agree with everything 0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:42.520 you said, the importance of that role in this defense 0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:45.600 is different than other defenses. Post safety in this defense 0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:49.520 is a premium role because you are time and time 0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:52.520 again going to be the last line of defense, and 0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:56.440 you are also the primary help to multiple people on 0:43:56.480 --> 0:44:00.040 the field. And their entire coverage system is predicated on 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:05.440 funneling outside leverage man coverage corners, funneling receivers into the 0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:08.120 middle of the field help like that's that's their entire 0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:11.520 defensive structure in man whether it's robber or whether it's 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:15.040 man free. When it's man free, it's even more exacerbated 0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:17.360 on the free safety because they'll play man free and 0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:19.160 then they'll rush five right, they use that five h 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.040 rush package. When you get into that, you have no robber. 0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:23.880 So it's the free safety in the middle of the 0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:27.360 field is literally the only help guy anywhere on the field. 0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:32.040 If your corners are not getting great free safety help, 0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:36.440 then they're screwed. They're screwed because you're just you're you're 0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:38.879 making them cover the whole field one on one. If 0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:41.400 you listen to like Stefan Gilmour talk about this in 0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:43.279 nineteen I thought that he talked about this a ton 0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:47.239 really eloquently. He was able to eliminate routes from his 0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:50.919 mind because he knew Devin had a his help, right, 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:55.080 So he would say from this alignment, I'm not gonna 0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:57.520 worry about a post because I know if he runs 0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:00.239 a post that Devin's going to be there. So what 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.239 all I'm gonna do is I'm gonna sit on a 0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:04.480 vertical and I'm gonna sit on something underneath, right, and 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:07.400 I'm gonna play trail and I'm gonna be underneath the receiver. 0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:10.320 And that's if you watch, like his interceptions from that season, 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:13.680 half of them are in underneath trail technique because he 0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:15.680 just knows that Devin is over the top and he 0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:17.680 knows he's not gonna get beat vertically because of that. 0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:21.360 So that role is just extremely vital to everything that 0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:24.719 they do. And if Devin does retire, I would love 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:26.800 to see them back up the brings for Jesse Bates. 0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:29.520 So I think that he's the perfect transition. And I 0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:32.440 look at Cincinnati. We're probably gonna talk about te Higgins, 0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:36.239 sorry Trags, but they don't got deep pockets in Cincinnati, 0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:39.239 and that roster is loaded. So now we're getting to 0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:41.920 the point where some of those guys are coming up 0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:44.040 and they can't afford to keep everybody because they're gonna 0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:46.560 have to pay Joe Burrow fifty. They're gonna have to 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:49.200 pay Jamar Chase thirty and then you start to think 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:52.280 about paying some of the other guys, right, So that's 0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:54.560 gonna be a big thing. All right, Who's did you 0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:58.000 give number four? Yet? No? You what's number four? Corner? 0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:02.239 Specifically big corner, not a slot guy, not five eight, 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:04.440 five ten. The number I've set is six one or 0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:09.440 taller because I like something. I like the corners they have. 0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:11.839 I do you know Jonathan Jones a free agent. Will 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:15.399 see what happens with him, Jack Jones five eleven, he's 0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:18.280 your tallest corner signed beyond twenty twenty three. Jalen Millson 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:21.200 during the final year's contract, you're gonna have to go 0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:24.920 through the Bengals all six one and taller. I think 0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:27.319 the Raiders are probably gonna turn things around. That's a 0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:30.080 team with a lot of big receivers. You saw how 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:32.440 that height tested them this year. The Bills have a 0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:35.359 lot of bigger receivers as good as their guys are 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:37.319 across the board. Again, I like John Jones, I like 0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:41.120 Jack Jones, I like Marcus Jones five eleven and shorter, 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.880 all of them at a certain point size his size. 0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:46.960 Marcus Jones is out there running step for step with 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:49.560 te Higgins in Week sixteen, but at the end of 0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:51.359 the day, Joe Burrow just throws a jump ball and 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:53.160 that's all she wrote. It's not that Marcus Jones can 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:56.520 do about that. And there's a couple of guys that 0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:58.640 could get in free. I think adding a veteran too, 0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:01.000 Like if you can give me, give me like a 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:04.759 six one six two veteran on a one year deal 0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:07.239 who can be like an older voice in a young room. 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:10.080 Give them some support on the outside against those bigger teams. 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:12.879 That's guys like James Bradberry, a guy like rock y'all 0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:16.360 sin right, I love James Bradberry. I think in this draft, 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.759 I don't know how much you've dug into Kansas State, Evan. 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:22.160 They did play Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. Yes, I 0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:26.719 watched that tape, Julius Brent's six foot go ahead, six 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:32.240 four fluid hips. Yeah, y'all remember how I was into Tree, 0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:37.719 not the same guy, but this is this is a 0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:41.759 similar thing where you just don't find guys built like him. Yeah, 0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:44.080 and I don't know that his technique is perfect, but 0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:46.359 they can coach that, right, you just get that guy 0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:49.439 in the building, something good is going to happen. There's 0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:51.279 some other big corners I like in this draft. Eli 0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:53.680 Ricks and Alabama is another one. Right, I might keep going, 0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:57.520 but the one I'm worried about is like what I 0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:00.239 could see them doing. There's a guy Evan I talked 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:04.040 to you about him off the air named Trey Hodges Tomlinson. Yes, 0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:07.320 he's led Daniel Tomlinson's nephew. He plays it at TCU. 0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:10.840 He was the isn't he just Marcus Jones? He was 0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:13.440 named the I forget the name of the Award. He 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:15.279 was college Football's Corner of the Year this year. He 0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:19.160 was excellent, Yeah, excellent, played exclusively on the boundary. He's 0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:21.279 five eight. Hey's Marcus Jones, And I'm worried they're gonna 0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:23.799 look at him and say, we just turned Jonathan Jones 0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:26.120 into a boundary corner. We just turned Marcus Jones into 0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:30.200 a boundary corner. I think Trey Hodges Tomlinson is really good. 0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:32.279 He's gonna be a fourth round pick because of the size, 0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:34.720 third or fourth round pick. I think he's an incredible player. 0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:39.240 Let somebody else do that. They need, like specifically size 0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:42.279 at the position. Yeah, so we're like one off because 0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:44.279 I have I have corner at three. Well, so I 0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:46.040 know why we're one off because I did that thing 0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:47.640 I do where I get weird with the list. But 0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:50.000 god dam it. All right, so I have quarner at 0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:52.000 number three. Can you just be normal one? Can you 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:55.520 clarify big corner? Yeah, outside corner okay, number three, not 0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:59.160 just outside corner, like outside corner with size this draft, 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:01.840 I've done a little bit of research so far, Alex, 0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:04.640 you'll be happy. But you haven't come across Julius Brents yet. No, 0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:09.400 but this this draft has size. Oh yeah, yeah, there's 0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:11.399 plenty of size. What do you think of the Georgia kid, right, 0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:13.680 Keely Ringo? Yeah, he's gonna be fist round pick. Right. 0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:16.000 That kid's special. I don't think they're gonna be able 0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:17.720 to get him any be a top ten pick. Okay, 0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:19.759 I think when he tests and all of that. The 0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:22.320 other guys should mention here in this have you gotten 0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:25.720 a cam Smith? So I know I know his profile, 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:28.360 but so here's the thing. If I say South Carolina 0:49:28.400 --> 0:49:31.120 boundary corner, there you go. You know exactly it. Cam Smith? 0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:34.640 Is that like he fits Gilmore jc Horn right, like 0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:37.000 next one in line. So what about the Oregon kid, 0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:38.520 because he's going to be a first round pick too. 0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:41.080 I don't know a ton about Christian Gonzalez. Honestly, I 0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:43.600 kind of do the PAC twelve last, um, You know 0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:46.160 how I feel about the PAC twelve. You do? So 0:49:46.320 --> 0:49:49.360 on one hand, they do a lot of zone stuff, 0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:51.440 like they're a team that actually does get into some 0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:54.880 of these more complex zone looks. So like, traditionally I 0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:56.359 look at that guy and say, oh, he's coming from 0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:58.160 his zone system. He's not a fit for the Patriots. 0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:00.200 But if they are going to run more zone and 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:04.080 he's had some more complex assignments, then it gets interesting. 0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:05.759 There's a lot of corners in the PAC twelve in 0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:08.279 this draft. Yeah, well, so the kid from I keep 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:09.799 on saying the kid because I don't know their names 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:13.319 well enough yet. Clark Phillips from Utah and Stanford. So 0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:15.960 Clark Phillips had some assignments on Jackson Smith and Jigba 0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:19.080 in that game that you love. So I actually watched 0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:22.759 him against Jordan Addison past year, and I thought his 0:50:22.880 --> 0:50:25.799 press reps against Jordan Addison were really really He hit 0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:28.959 a good game against Jordan as when Jordan Addison played. 0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:31.880 When he was playing off of Jordan Addison, he had problems, 0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:34.520 But when he was pressed on Jordan Addison, I thought 0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:36.640 he had some really good film there. So let's just 0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:39.280 finish up the first round here. Devin Witherspoon from Illinois. 0:50:39.320 --> 0:50:40.880 It's the only one in this group who's going to 0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:45.240 Senior Bowl. Another big guy, Brett biomaguy, big ten corner, 0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:47.680 and then the I mean the real one that gets 0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:50.960 me is Joey Porter Junior from Penn State. Yeah, because 0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:54.600 you watched Joey Porter junior on defense, you watched Joey 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:57.880 Porter junior on special teams, you watched Joey Porter junior 0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:00.600 the way he operates on the sideline. But I'm saying, 0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:03.759 this guy the weight from the football from this not 0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:06.200 just loves football, but from the second he steps out 0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:08.160 there for warm ups, he's ready to go what the 0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:11.720 Patriots want. Yeah, big physical corner, plays in the kicking 0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:14.280 game as a team leader. But there's the Penn State 0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:18.920 thing and Joey Porter, j Joey Porter Senior hasn't vocally 0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:21.399 been the biggest fan of Bill Belichick. That's that's kind 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:24.359 of like Asante Samuel Jr. Exactly. So yeah, if if 0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:27.560 if he wasn't like, that's the guy. If if it's 0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:30.120 not for that relation, that's the guy. But we'll see 0:51:30.120 --> 0:51:34.239 what happens. That's the first round. Ringo, Porter Gonzalez, Smith Witherspoon. 0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:36.960 So I assume that when you see a Georgia corner 0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:39.200 projected in the top fifteen, that he's probably going too 0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:41.680 high for the Patriots to get their hands on. Ringo. 0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:45.080 I assume he'd probably be a top ten guy. But yeah, 0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:47.120 I liked what I saw out of the Utah corner 0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:49.000 against Addison. That's what I'm trying to do this year, 0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:52.680 especially with wide receivers and corners, is watch them against 0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:55.359 top competition, because sometimes I think you get you get 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:58.200 coaxed into watching guys against scrubs and they look like 0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:00.600 all pro players, but you really how to take the 0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:04.439 film of them against other premier talents. And now that's 0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:07.320 what I really liked about watching that you Tucket against Addison. 0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:08.880 Can I give you one more? Then it's kind of 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:11.240 sleeper if they want to go mid round. DJ Turner 0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:15.200 from Michigan six two, multi year starter. He's got those 0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:18.319 playoff reps, he's got those reps against Ohio State, right, 0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:20.919 so I haven't gone through all of them. He's fair, 0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:23.920 He's played fairly well in those games. He had some 0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:26.480 reps on Quinton Johnson National Championship. He looked pretty good. 0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:29.080 I'm trying to get in my hands on the on 0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:31.480 the National championship game. And don't see what Ringo did 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:34.439 against Quinton Johnson because obviously he had a decent game 0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:37.400 because Anton Johnson didn't get the ball. But maybe that 0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:39.440 was just a protection, right, I don't know if Quinton 0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:41.719 Johnson was getting open, but he was lined up on 0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:43.640 Quintin Johnson a good amount. He could start watch them 0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:45.920 run down the field. Yeah, you know, well I'm interested 0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:48.080 to see it from both perspectives, right, you know, if 0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:51.960 maybe it changed my mind about Johnson. Okay, so I'm 0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:55.160 at number three with the outside corner. So I'm outside corner, 0:52:55.840 --> 0:53:00.800 free safety, off ball linebacker, your free safety, side corner. 0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:04.759 What's what's number three? Wide receiver? That big number one. 0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:06.840 I mean we've talked, we don't need to do it. Literally, 0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:13.080 just one off, right Hopkins, Jerry Judy, Mike Evans, the 0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:15.600 guy that And there's a report from Mike Giardi that 0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:17.719 almost said this word for word that there's people in 0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:20.799 the building that believe the guy who's going to dictate coverage. 0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:22.600 You're gonna other teams are gonna have to double him. 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:26.040 They're gonna have to shade coverage towards him. Davante Parker 0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:28.399 can play. Everybody knows how I feel about Kendrick Bourne. 0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:30.600 I'm incredibly high on him. Those are guys that are 0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:32.960 gonna win one on one more often than not. You 0:53:33.000 --> 0:53:35.640 need to guarantee that they are getting one on one 0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:38.319 coverage assignments more often than not. How do you do that? 0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:41.120 You go get a number one wide receiver that demands 0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:44.480 multiplayer coverage, snap in and snap out. You want to 0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:46.560 really unlock this offense. You want to get them back 0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:49.120 pushing top five and scoring like they were in twenty 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:51.440 twenty one. You go add that guy, so he's that's 0:53:51.480 --> 0:53:54.120 number two, because you're you have your little trick. I 0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:55.880 think you know what I did too. I don't know yet, 0:53:55.920 --> 0:53:57.799 because I talked like this all the time. I'm gonna 0:53:57.840 --> 0:54:00.839 like it number number two on my list or number 0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:03.200 three on my list. Excuse me, the two I don't 0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:06.560 remember too. Jesus, You're you're killing me with your list 0:54:06.600 --> 0:54:09.640 over there. Number two on my list is wide receiver. 0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:14.440 I just think you said it perfectly about if you're 0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:17.040 really trying to make it work with Mac Jones, then 0:54:17.200 --> 0:54:19.239 you gotta get him a guy like And I just 0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:21.839 look at the landscape at the AFC, and I look 0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:25.920 at the this the whole league. The Chiefs have Kelsey, 0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:31.560 the Bills have Digs, the Bengals have Chase. You go 0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:33.760 to the other side, The Eagles have a j Brown, 0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:37.880 The Niners have Debot and George Kittle and CMC and 0:54:37.960 --> 0:54:41.359 every single other freaking number one receiver under the sun. Right, 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:44.960 this is the league now. And I think that there 0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:48.360 was some merit once upon a time to them not 0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:51.759 wanting to overpay or overdraft that position, right, I think 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:54.600 there was some merit to it, especially early on in 0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:57.880 the Patriots years when teams like the Lions were busting 0:54:57.920 --> 0:55:00.160 out on receivers in the top ten left and right, 0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:04.439 like there was some truth to it. But nowadays, if 0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:06.799 you don't have that guy, then you're not going to 0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:09.200 win a Super Bowl. I just don't think you can 0:55:09.239 --> 0:55:11.080 win a Super Bowl with that one. And you look 0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:14.480 at sort of the last three or four just matchups 0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:16.640 in the Super Bowl, not even the just the winner 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:20.640 you know, last year it's it's Cooper Cup and Jamar Chase, right, like, 0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:23.480 they each had a guy on their roster. That's the 0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:26.319 league now. And the Patriots don't have a guy. They 0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:28.360 don't have a guy that Patriots the last team to 0:55:28.400 --> 0:55:30.239 make the Super Bowl without one of those guys. And 0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:33.279 they had Gronk and they and Edelman who won Super 0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:35.719 Bowl MVP. Yeah, ok so I don't even know if 0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:38.200 they didn't have it right, You're right, I take that back. 0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:43.080 So I look at the Patriots offense right now, and 0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:50.080 what I see is an offense that when defensive coaches, okay, 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:53.840 we're onto the Patriots. It's it's Tuesday, right, we're game planning, 0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:58.600 game plan meeting. Who on the Patriots passing offense are 0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:02.239 you saying, oh, we gotta take that guy out. We 0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:04.399 got a roll coverage on not even that, not even 0:56:04.440 --> 0:56:07.000 we have to how are we? Yeah, we need to. 0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:09.239 We can't do just what we do. We need to 0:56:09.320 --> 0:56:11.879 do something different. We need to create a whole new 0:56:11.920 --> 0:56:14.840 scheme to take that guy away. We got a roll coverage, 0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:19.439 we gotta one double right, right, whatever it is. And 0:56:19.520 --> 0:56:22.719 I think the problem is is that on top of 0:56:22.719 --> 0:56:24.480 the fact that the Patriots just don't have that guy 0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:27.359 in the Tuesday meeting that anybody cares about. When they 0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:30.480 get into the Tuesday meeting, they say, well, they don't 0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:32.759 really have that guy, but like Jacobe Myers, like is 0:56:32.800 --> 0:56:35.240 that guy right? Like they're trying to make Jacobe Meyers 0:56:35.360 --> 0:56:37.560 that guy. So now all of a sudden, on third down, 0:56:37.640 --> 0:56:40.759 Jacobe Myers is getting double blanketed yet, right, and then 0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:43.360 Matt now Matt Jones is going to somebody else and 0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:46.359 Jacoby is even out of it. So Jacoby's punching above 0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:49.759 his weight because he's not that guy, right, And now 0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:52.440 the Patriots are The whole thing is just thrown up. 0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:55.879 They do not have a Tuesday player. That's Michael lombardism right, 0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:58.000 a Tuesday player like who's the guy that you circle 0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:00.800 on the roster. They don't have a Tuesday player on offense, 0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:03.040 and it's not the quarterback right now. So they don't 0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:06.279 have a Tuesday player period. If they don't have that, 0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:08.000 I don't think that you're ever going to be an 0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:10.239 elite offense. I don't care if Bill Brian's your coach, 0:57:10.239 --> 0:57:13.320 if Sean mcvagh is your coach, if Kyle Shanahan's your coach, whoever, 0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:15.800 you're just not going to get there as an offense. 0:57:16.120 --> 0:57:19.680 So enough thinking around with it. Like we've gone year 0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:23.520 after year after year really since eighteen when and Edelman 0:57:23.640 --> 0:57:27.600 started to slow down or Bronk retired. Right, we've been 0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:32.240 going five years running on this. There's something that Macro said, 0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:35.600 and if we get a chance to talk to Macro, 0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:40.400 hopefully we will maybe when we're going our big show announcement, 0:57:40.640 --> 0:57:45.360 we'll get a chance to talk to Macro. He said 0:57:45.480 --> 0:57:49.640 last year. He agreed with that press And the most 0:57:49.680 --> 0:57:51.400 important thing that I think that he said and that 0:57:51.640 --> 0:57:54.640 and his answer to that question was that you can't 0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:57.520 sit back and wait for the guy anymore, right, like 0:57:57.560 --> 0:57:59.040 you if you got to go get him right And 0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:00.720 they I know it was a small trade up, but 0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:02.520 they did end up trading up from fifty four to 0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:05.000 fifty to get Taekwon Thorton last year in the second round. 0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:08.840 I think Macro recognizes it, and I think that he 0:58:08.960 --> 0:58:12.000 sees it would be worth it to us to trade 0:58:12.400 --> 0:58:15.880 a premium asset for DeAndre Hopkins or Jerry Judy or 0:58:15.920 --> 0:58:19.040 Te Higgins or whoever it may be. The one guy 0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:22.360 in the draft though at fourteen. And I know you 0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:24.160 always make fun of me for this because I get 0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:26.560 attached to guys I watch him. You have a little recency. 0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:29.120 Buys get recency. And his favorite player in the draft 0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:33.120 is whatever player he watched most recently. Okay, with that 0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:38.200 being said, Jackson Smith and Jigba can play. Yeah, he's incredible. 0:58:38.560 --> 0:58:41.360 He's really really good. And the reason why I like 0:58:41.520 --> 0:58:45.720 him so much is he's He's like if Julian Edelman 0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:48.800 was a first round prospect, right Like, He's got that 0:58:49.000 --> 0:58:53.520 slot shiftiness, He's always in the right place. He's durable, 0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:56.760 he's dependable, he's all those types of things. And I 0:58:56.760 --> 0:59:00.360 don't want to hear about the hamstring and this he 0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:02.800 sat out this year because he didn't eat to play, Okay, 0:59:02.880 --> 0:59:05.680 and they like, I understand that something that rubs some 0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:09.640 people the wrong way, But to me, I feel like 0:59:09.680 --> 0:59:12.400 that's part of the problem with the Patriots draft strategy 0:59:12.480 --> 0:59:15.640 sometimes is that they shy away from guys like JSN 0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:18.040 who don't play because they don't have to because they 0:59:18.080 --> 0:59:20.560 want the gamer, right like they want the lunch pale guy, 0:59:20.600 --> 0:59:23.680 they want the Jim Rat. Sometimes you just gotta take 0:59:23.680 --> 0:59:26.640 the best player, right, he just gotta take the best talent. Well. 0:59:26.640 --> 0:59:28.360 I like so much about him though, is that he's 0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:30.840 a middle of the field player. He's not the boundary 0:59:30.880 --> 0:59:33.720 guy where you have a quarterback that isn't toolsy, that 0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:36.120 isn't a physical freak, and now you're asking him to 0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:38.600 throw sixty yard bombs because that's what your number one 0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:41.720 guy is good at. Right, He's Mac Jones is Binkie 0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:43.960 and a half, and Dante's Karnecki has talked about this 0:59:44.040 --> 0:59:46.520 every single time Dante gets in front of a mic. 0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:48.920 He always says, the thing that the Patriots need isn't 0:59:49.720 --> 0:59:53.320 the stud outside receiver. They need Wes Welker, right, they 0:59:53.360 --> 0:59:56.240 need Julian Edelman. They need the guys that stirs the drink, 0:59:56.560 --> 0:59:58.760 Jackson Smith and Jig but stirs the drake. Like, that's 0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:00.960 the guy that's gonna catch a hundred twenty five balls 1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:04.360 out of the slot for the Patriots. I just love 1:00:04.440 --> 1:00:08.160 that guy. At fourteen. If the veteran market doesn't break, 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:10.360 I still am number one trade right, Like I want 1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:12.960 to trade for one. So you're team Jerry Judy. Then, 1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:16.840 in terms of that market, I'm coming around to more 1:00:17.000 --> 1:00:19.480 Judy because he'd be closer to what you just described, 1:00:19.520 --> 1:00:21.200 like he runs out of the slot as much as 1:00:21.200 --> 1:00:23.840 he runs off. Yeah, I just worry about like I 1:00:23.840 --> 1:00:26.920 don't want them to basically like Tee Higgins to me 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.520 is just like better DeVante Parker. And I just don't 1:00:29.520 --> 1:00:31.760 know if that guy is really what would make Mac 1:00:31.800 --> 1:00:37.600 the best. I think the efficient short and intermediate jitterbug receiver, 1:00:37.760 --> 1:00:40.240 which is what Jackson, Smith and Jaboo is. I think 1:00:40.320 --> 1:00:42.640 that guy thrives in this offense with Mac Jones, get 1:00:42.680 --> 1:00:45.520 the ball out of his hands right quickly and have 1:00:45.600 --> 1:00:49.520 his brain be doing heavy lifting, not his art. And 1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:51.640 I think that's what Smith and Jingbao can really bring 1:00:51.680 --> 1:00:54.400 to the table. And I would love it at fourteen 1:00:54.440 --> 1:00:58.000 if he's there at fourteen. If he runs at the combine, 1:00:58.200 --> 1:01:00.160 it means he's going to run faster than we all thing. 1:01:00.240 --> 1:01:01.960 That's the big knock on him, as he doesn't have 1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:05.040 breakaway game speed. But if he runs at the combine, 1:01:05.040 --> 1:01:07.040 it means he's gonna run under a four five. And 1:01:07.080 --> 1:01:08.640 if he runs under a four or five, I don't 1:01:08.640 --> 1:01:10.400 know if he makes it to fourty or no, we're 1:01:10.400 --> 1:01:12.400 gonna play this game again. Sure, who's gonna make it. 1:01:12.480 --> 1:01:14.640 Jordan Davis last year, Remember I text you. I was like, 1:01:14.720 --> 1:01:16.800 I can't wait for Jordan Davis to run under five tonight. 1:01:16.920 --> 1:01:20.080 He thought I was kidding. Um, he's spectacling. You want 1:01:20.080 --> 1:01:22.840 a little Patriots adjacent coaching news real quick? Before he finished, 1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:27.840 the Dolphins have fired Josh Boyer, Steve Gregory, and Steve Ferrens. 1:01:28.400 --> 1:01:31.160 So so Boyer and Boyer was here as a coach, 1:01:31.200 --> 1:01:34.000 Gregory was here as a player. Steve Ferens is the 1:01:34.200 --> 1:01:36.720 brother of James Ferns and the son of Kirk Ferrens. 1:01:36.720 --> 1:01:40.280 So my guess is that Josh Boyer. I think they 1:01:40.320 --> 1:01:42.600 already might already have too many chefs in the kitchen, 1:01:42.840 --> 1:01:45.600 and bringing a guy like Boyer back might add another chef. 1:01:45.600 --> 1:01:48.080 That's yeah. I don't know that they need any defensive coaches. Yeah, 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:50.240 and then I think Brian Flores wherever he lands, could 1:01:50.280 --> 1:01:53.080 take Josh Boyer with him. But although if they're gonna 1:01:53.160 --> 1:01:55.480 bring in a new free safety, having Steve Gregory teach 1:01:55.520 --> 1:01:58.280 that guy, Josh Boyer's downfall is that he blitz is 1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:01.000 too much. He's so in love with the blitz and 1:02:01.040 --> 1:02:03.280 it's like all he can do right, and they just 1:02:03.320 --> 1:02:05.520 didn't have the corners on the outside to be that 1:02:05.640 --> 1:02:09.040 man heavy. Yeah all right, what's number two on your list? 1:02:09.200 --> 1:02:12.440 Your tackle? Your rinky dink click tackle tackle? They need it. 1:02:12.480 --> 1:02:14.320 And this is why I wouldn't take in jigbid fort. 1:02:14.440 --> 1:02:16.280 We would literally have the same list pretty much if 1:02:16.320 --> 1:02:20.560 you didn't get one perfect love it. Um. They need 1:02:20.560 --> 1:02:24.000 a tackle? Yeah, well, not to spoil my number one. 1:02:24.040 --> 1:02:26.760 They need two tackles. They're going to need two tackles. Goodness, 1:02:27.040 --> 1:02:30.040 and Isaiah wins contract is up Trent Brown, they save 1:02:30.120 --> 1:02:32.440 like six million dollars if they more now? Is it 1:02:32.480 --> 1:02:35.680 more now? Because so I went down this rabbit hole 1:02:36.080 --> 1:02:39.720 the other day because Pat's cap biguel, he tipped me 1:02:39.760 --> 1:02:42.240 off to it. Trent Brown hit all of his playing 1:02:42.240 --> 1:02:45.200 time incentives okay this year because he didn't get hurt 1:02:45.240 --> 1:02:47.800 like he normally does. Right, So those all hit the 1:02:47.840 --> 1:02:51.320 cap in twenty twenty three. So I believe that Trent 1:02:51.400 --> 1:02:54.640 Brown's contract is now eleven and a half million dollar 1:02:54.760 --> 1:02:57.120 hit in twenty twenty three, and that all comes off 1:02:57.160 --> 1:02:59.360 the book if they caught him like all of it. Besides, 1:02:59.400 --> 1:03:05.040 like the the down payments about, they're gonna need two tackles. 1:03:05.800 --> 1:03:07.960 They can go out trade for wide receiver position they 1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:11.680 traditionally haven't developed. They developed tackles. Well, it's a good 1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:15.520 tackle class in free agency and in the draft. Yeah, 1:03:16.000 --> 1:03:18.400 quarterback can't do anything if he's on his asshole game 1:03:18.560 --> 1:03:23.200 right tackle tackle, tackle, Yeah, it is my second biggest need. 1:03:23.240 --> 1:03:24.600 You can ask me number one in it, but I 1:03:24.640 --> 1:03:27.200 have tackle is number two on my list. Number one 1:03:27.200 --> 1:03:29.960 on my list is tackle. Okay, I almost put receiver 1:03:30.040 --> 1:03:32.320 ahead of it. This is the old age old argument, right, 1:03:32.360 --> 1:03:35.960 like protection or the receiver. The Bengals went receiver, and 1:03:36.000 --> 1:03:38.160 they it's worked out for them. But I think that 1:03:38.280 --> 1:03:41.320 Burrow makes it work out. Right. The fact that Burrow 1:03:41.360 --> 1:03:44.240 is so inflappable under pressure, I think it makes it 1:03:44.280 --> 1:03:48.200 work out. So that's why Burrow works for him. I 1:03:48.240 --> 1:03:52.280 think other teams might have misstepped there and probably should 1:03:52.280 --> 1:03:54.959 have got like Miami for instance, they went waddle, right, 1:03:55.000 --> 1:03:58.200 they got the receiver too, and now to us in 1:03:58.240 --> 1:04:01.040 concussion protocol for the third time. Right, the Chiefs early 1:04:01.080 --> 1:04:03.160 on too, I would say, I mean they fixed it since, 1:04:03.160 --> 1:04:05.120 but the Chiefs early on you. So I think with 1:04:05.160 --> 1:04:08.160 the type of quarterback that you have with his numbers 1:04:08.160 --> 1:04:10.520 this year, under pressure being as terrible as they were. 1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:13.400 They need to go out and they need to get 1:04:14.200 --> 1:04:17.840 not not just I'm with you on the volume. Yeah, 1:04:17.960 --> 1:04:21.000 but I want like Matt light right, like I want 1:04:21.040 --> 1:04:23.040 the left tackle that's going to be the left tackle 1:04:23.080 --> 1:04:25.680 for the next ten years on this team, and that 1:04:25.800 --> 1:04:27.360 I think is going to have to be the fourteenth 1:04:27.360 --> 1:04:33.000 overall pick. So Broderick Jones, Pierre Paris Johnson from Ohio 1:04:33.080 --> 1:04:39.520 State and uh or whatever, Skawanski and I'm telling you 1:04:39.600 --> 1:04:41.960 right now, Evan, I think Dwan Jones gets his name 1:04:42.000 --> 1:04:44.360 into the first round conversation. Now, he's a right tack, well, 1:04:44.600 --> 1:04:46.960 he can play both, he's primarily a right tackle. But 1:04:47.280 --> 1:04:49.240 we'll get to number one on my list in a second. 1:04:49.640 --> 1:04:52.920 There's a way that works. Yeah. So out of what 1:04:53.000 --> 1:04:55.640 I've seen and I haven't I started with receivers because 1:04:55.960 --> 1:04:58.320 they're the most fun, what everybody wants, it's the most fun. 1:04:59.080 --> 1:05:02.400 But even watch Ohio State. From what I see, I 1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:05.720 like Roderick Jones the best lots alike, right, And I 1:05:05.760 --> 1:05:07.640 think the biggest reason why I like him the best 1:05:07.960 --> 1:05:11.560 is because his his athleticism and his range I think 1:05:11.600 --> 1:05:13.480 is the best. You've seen those plays where he pulls 1:05:13.480 --> 1:05:15.200 out when they run the ball and he goes out 1:05:15.200 --> 1:05:18.680 to the Edgy Smokes corner. Yeah, that's fun, right, And 1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:21.520 I think that type of athleticism in an offense where 1:05:22.160 --> 1:05:24.560 a lot of your yards are going to be based 1:05:24.560 --> 1:05:27.120 off a yak, right, and you're talking about screens, you're 1:05:27.160 --> 1:05:29.800 talking about RPO game, you're talking about that type of stuff. 1:05:31.280 --> 1:05:33.920 I think that that athleticism would really help. And he's 1:05:33.920 --> 1:05:37.400 just a monster. He's like six six something six six 1:05:37.720 --> 1:05:41.880 five three fifteen. So here's the kicker though, with those 1:05:41.920 --> 1:05:45.840 types of guys, the fourteen's pushing it like, I don't 1:05:45.880 --> 1:05:48.680 know if he's gonna be there. I think here's the thing, 1:05:48.720 --> 1:05:50.920 because those types of tackles go top ten, right, like 1:05:50.960 --> 1:05:53.200 those types of I mean last year was what like 1:05:53.520 --> 1:05:56.360 cross and those guys they would like one like five, 1:05:56.480 --> 1:05:58.320 six seven, like right, they were all off the board. 1:05:58.440 --> 1:06:00.680 But so a bunch of those guys just went I 1:06:00.680 --> 1:06:02.240 don't I don't think there's a lot of teams around 1:06:02.240 --> 1:06:04.920 the league necessarily looking for a tackle. Right now, there's 1:06:05.080 --> 1:06:07.560 four guys, maybe five, A lot of people like Anton 1:06:07.680 --> 1:06:10.200 Harrison from Oklahoma. I'm not as familiar with him. Yeah, 1:06:10.240 --> 1:06:15.040 but between they might not get their pick, but one 1:06:15.080 --> 1:06:16.960 of those four or five guys will be on the 1:06:16.960 --> 1:06:19.640 board at fourteen, and I think there's at least three, 1:06:19.720 --> 1:06:22.880 potentially five franchise tackles in this draft. So right, like 1:06:23.400 --> 1:06:25.040 you you like Brodrick, I don't know if you watched 1:06:25.040 --> 1:06:27.919 Scarronsky at all a little bit, but I just I'm 1:06:27.920 --> 1:06:29.520 not using Paris Johnson because I know you have a 1:06:29.520 --> 1:06:31.800 thing about Ohio state tackles. Yeah, we can give that taken, 1:06:31.960 --> 1:06:34.200 like you like Roderick Jones, but you can be upset 1:06:34.200 --> 1:06:36.840 if they end up with Peter Scarronski. Absolutely not. I'm 1:06:36.880 --> 1:06:38.840 not going to be a guy that's but I potential 1:06:38.880 --> 1:06:41.360 franchise tackle. I and looking. I'm not saying that they 1:06:41.400 --> 1:06:43.880 should trade, like, you know, five picks to move up, 1:06:43.960 --> 1:06:46.080 but like, this is one of those drafts where I 1:06:46.120 --> 1:06:48.640 think you need to be in the conversation of moving up, 1:06:49.640 --> 1:06:52.840 you know, from fourteen to ten, right or at fourteen 1:06:52.880 --> 1:06:55.560 to eleven, I just the leap frog a team that 1:06:55.560 --> 1:06:57.520 that might be taking your guy. So you want an 1:06:57.560 --> 1:06:59.480 interesting thing here, I'm looking at the board right now. 1:06:59.520 --> 1:07:02.640 The guys were talking about this is the board we use. Yeah, 1:07:02.680 --> 1:07:06.480 they're projected to go eleven twelve thirteen. So if you 1:07:06.560 --> 1:07:09.080 have to go and move up from fourteen to eleven 1:07:09.200 --> 1:07:11.960 to get Broderick Jones or to get your guy and 1:07:12.000 --> 1:07:14.080 make sure you get him, that it's the same thing 1:07:14.080 --> 1:07:16.200 as moving up from fifty four to fifty to get type. 1:07:16.880 --> 1:07:19.960 I don't think that, Like I don't. It depends how 1:07:20.040 --> 1:07:22.480 much they have to give up. The gap between Jones 1:07:22.480 --> 1:07:25.480 and Scronsky and Johnson isn't so big that you need 1:07:25.520 --> 1:07:29.440 to sell the farm to get any one of those three. 1:07:30.080 --> 1:07:32.200 They should be able to make work. Yeah, they should 1:07:32.240 --> 1:07:34.360 be able to turn into a franchise. Tacks fair. So 1:07:34.560 --> 1:07:39.280 tackle number one on my list, So I'm tackle, wide receiver, yeah, 1:07:39.760 --> 1:07:44.840 outside corner, free, safety, linebacker. What's your dumb number one? 1:07:44.920 --> 1:07:47.800 I'll go five to one, safety corner, wide receiver. Tackle 1:07:47.960 --> 1:07:51.400 number one is punter. Because now I'm kidding, you're about 1:07:51.400 --> 1:07:55.200 to shut my micaf shut locked out. No, I was like, 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:59.120 how can we mute him right now? Safety, corner, wide receiver, 1:07:59.200 --> 1:08:03.280 tackle and tackle because I can. Because Evan, I'll tell 1:08:03.360 --> 1:08:05.320 I did this with corner last year. I did this 1:08:05.360 --> 1:08:07.040 with corner last year. I'll tell you that's almost as 1:08:07.040 --> 1:08:09.640 bad as putting punter. Listen, it's not the game. The game. 1:08:09.720 --> 1:08:12.840 This is the game, because listen to me. If they 1:08:13.080 --> 1:08:17.559 let's say, let's say free agency started today and they 1:08:17.600 --> 1:08:20.519 signed Mike McGlinchey Orlando Brown, those are the top two 1:08:20.520 --> 1:08:23.680 tackles in free agency. If we if they made that 1:08:23.760 --> 1:08:26.400 signing and then we did the list again, I would 1:08:26.400 --> 1:08:28.920 still have tackle number one. That's fair. So that's why 1:08:28.960 --> 1:08:31.320 it's one and two because even if they add a tackle, 1:08:32.000 --> 1:08:34.280 tackle is still the biggest need on the list. Once 1:08:34.320 --> 1:08:36.879 they add that second, then we get into the other positions. 1:08:36.880 --> 1:08:39.439 But and that's why I said, you know, maybe they 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:42.200 really like Orlando Brown. If you're gonna tell me that 1:08:42.200 --> 1:08:45.200 they're gonna sign Orlando Brown and draft Dwan Jones and 1:08:45.280 --> 1:08:47.439 Brown's playing on the left side and Jones planning on 1:08:47.479 --> 1:08:51.240 the right side, Yeah okay, that works, Yeah, that works. 1:08:51.360 --> 1:08:53.519 You know, I think that's as good of a plan 1:08:53.600 --> 1:08:57.439 as um like, uh, mcglinchey's the top right tackle, right right, 1:08:57.560 --> 1:08:59.120 that's as good of a plan as if they go 1:08:59.400 --> 1:09:04.160 scronts in McGlinchey. Yeah right. So there's ways they can 1:09:04.160 --> 1:09:05.960 mix and match it, which is even more reason why 1:09:06.000 --> 1:09:08.880 I think they don't necessarily need to push to move 1:09:08.960 --> 1:09:13.040 up but draft one, sign one, it's gonna be. That's 1:09:13.080 --> 1:09:15.720 one of these catch phrases of the off season for 1:09:15.760 --> 1:09:17.800 this show. What do you think they're gonna call? And 1:09:17.800 --> 1:09:19.040 people are gonna call in what do you want them 1:09:19.040 --> 1:09:21.320 to a tackle? Draft one, sign one? People are gonna 1:09:21.320 --> 1:09:22.759 email in what do you want to do? A tackle? 1:09:22.960 --> 1:09:26.000 Draft one, sign one, Draft one sign one d OsO 1:09:26.720 --> 1:09:29.760 Dso that's the model for the off season. I like, 1:09:29.960 --> 1:09:33.600 so I like the MCTA with the left tackle in 1:09:33.640 --> 1:09:36.240 the draft. I do, okay because mcglinchey's your right tackle, 1:09:36.520 --> 1:09:38.760 right and plug and play at right tackle, and then 1:09:38.800 --> 1:09:40.599 you get the left tackle who has maybe a little 1:09:40.600 --> 1:09:42.600 bit of a higher ceiling in the draft, and you 1:09:42.640 --> 1:09:44.400 go that direction. But I'm just saying, like if they 1:09:44.400 --> 1:09:47.880 walked away with Orlando yeah, every Lando Brown and Duan Jones, 1:09:47.960 --> 1:09:49.720 it's not like, oh my god, what are they doing? 1:09:49.720 --> 1:09:51.280 They're screwing. Like I'm like, all right, you have an 1:09:51.280 --> 1:09:53.960 offensive line. I just think Orlando Brown worries me because 1:09:53.960 --> 1:09:56.920 of the weight that once you pay is he Trent Brown? 1:09:57.000 --> 1:10:01.200 Like once you pay a guy like that Andre Dillard 1:10:01.200 --> 1:10:03.320 And I've concerns about him too. But my point being 1:10:03.360 --> 1:10:08.000 like I just like McGlinchey, I think he's some player 1:10:08.040 --> 1:10:11.519 than Francisco. I think in San Francisco he was fine. 1:10:11.760 --> 1:10:13.960 But I really think that he's been miscasting that system 1:10:14.000 --> 1:10:16.040 because he's a six foot eight, three hundred and thirty 1:10:16.040 --> 1:10:18.040 pound right tackle that they're trying to get to run 1:10:18.080 --> 1:10:21.120 outside zone, true, right, and so like, if you get 1:10:21.240 --> 1:10:24.559 that guy McGlinchey I'm talking about, and you put him 1:10:24.600 --> 1:10:26.880 next to on WHENU and you run gap to that, 1:10:26.920 --> 1:10:28.960 so you're gonna run for twelve yards of care, right, 1:10:29.080 --> 1:10:31.120 Like that's that's just a But at the same time, 1:10:31.120 --> 1:10:33.760 I would say, what's what's one win? Who's six two 1:10:33.880 --> 1:10:36.760 three sixty five three? Yeah? They listened at like three 1:10:36.840 --> 1:10:40.040 forty a right, Duwan Jones is sixty eight three sixty 1:10:40.120 --> 1:10:42.160 Oh yeah, No, it's you put those two guys next 1:10:42.200 --> 1:10:44.599 to each other. You're going to run. You can run 1:10:44.680 --> 1:10:47.880 that debt debt QB power with net Jones. You're gonna 1:10:47.960 --> 1:10:50.920 run forever behind those two. Okay, So yeah, we're both 1:10:50.920 --> 1:10:53.000 on the same page with tackle. Got a few more 1:10:53.040 --> 1:10:56.799 calls and then we'll make the big announcement. All right, Uh, Mason, 1:10:56.880 --> 1:11:01.639 what's going on? Mason? You're on the air. You there 1:11:04.640 --> 1:11:06.479 not I know Mason, all right, we can call it 1:11:06.520 --> 1:11:09.040 back in Mason. And so we got a question the 1:11:09.080 --> 1:11:12.599 email and then we got one more phone. Not trying 1:11:12.680 --> 1:11:15.080 to sway from your personnel talk. Yes, thank you, we 1:11:15.360 --> 1:11:18.880 needed to get that out there. But mentioned today, Hardba 1:11:18.960 --> 1:11:21.240 mentioned today that Lamar Jackson would be involved in their 1:11:21.240 --> 1:11:24.680 OC hiring process. Do you think Mac is sitting in 1:11:24.800 --> 1:11:28.599 on the Patriots OC interviews or has some input or 1:11:28.640 --> 1:11:31.679 anything like that. Do you think Max should have input 1:11:31.720 --> 1:11:35.360 on the OC? Yes? Okay, yeah, I don't know that 1:11:35.360 --> 1:11:38.599 he's gonna be sitting in the meetings, but we all 1:11:38.600 --> 1:11:40.840 know which way he's gonna go, right right, He's gonna 1:11:40.840 --> 1:11:44.200 want O'Brien. Yeah, so, and you know it, after a 1:11:44.280 --> 1:11:47.439 rough year, they're gonna hire O'Brien. Anyway, Hey, Mac, who 1:11:47.479 --> 1:11:49.360 do you want? Just ask him before you know you're 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:52.880 gonna make that higher anyway. I have no problem with Mac, Like, 1:11:53.040 --> 1:11:56.200 let's just say little offseason project for you, Mac, Just 1:11:56.240 --> 1:11:58.080 make make you make you us a list, like who's 1:11:58.080 --> 1:12:00.559 your three guys? Right? It doesn't mean that they're going 1:12:00.600 --> 1:12:02.599 to listen to anything that he says, but it would 1:12:02.640 --> 1:12:04.760 be nice to know where the quarterbacks heads at. I 1:12:04.840 --> 1:12:06.840 don't think that he has any sway, and I don't 1:12:06.840 --> 1:12:09.080 think that he necessarily should, especially after the year that 1:12:09.120 --> 1:12:11.720 he just had, but I think that he should. Like 1:12:11.840 --> 1:12:16.880 he's not Lamar Jackson. He's not. He's not right sowhile 1:12:17.040 --> 1:12:20.040 he's gone, Like is he gonna be in Baltimore for 1:12:20.160 --> 1:12:23.280 whoever he wants? Harbaugh said today that he's their quarterbacks, 1:12:23.280 --> 1:12:25.599 so they're trying to full court press it. My guess 1:12:25.680 --> 1:12:29.040 is that Greg Roman was in Lamar had grown apart 1:12:29.120 --> 1:12:31.920 and that that marriage was not good, and so they 1:12:32.240 --> 1:12:34.760 moved on from Greg Roman today to Free add Up. 1:12:34.840 --> 1:12:38.559 So maybe they're trying to make that that that happened 1:12:38.680 --> 1:12:42.160 in Baltimore. I like, I want Mac to have a voice. 1:12:42.240 --> 1:12:44.640 I don't want him to have a say. How about that? 1:12:44.960 --> 1:12:49.519 Is that? Sure? Yeah? Okay, all right, Mason, you're back. 1:12:54.080 --> 1:12:58.280 Uh So I'm usually a weapons with a Z guy, admittedly, 1:12:59.439 --> 1:13:01.160 but I do actually think that we should take a 1:13:01.200 --> 1:13:03.240 tackle this year in the first round. But I actually 1:13:03.280 --> 1:13:06.240 wanted to talk about a guy in the second round 1:13:06.280 --> 1:13:08.880 that I think would actually be a steel who is 1:13:08.960 --> 1:13:11.880 my personal wide receiver one this year, which I know 1:13:11.880 --> 1:13:14.400 that's gonna make some people say hmm, but can I 1:13:14.400 --> 1:13:20.280 guess who it is? A dominant to catch point? He's 1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:22.160 gonna be a four or four guy easy at six 1:13:22.200 --> 1:13:26.639 to two o five. He's explosive, and my personal ProComp 1:13:26.720 --> 1:13:28.840 for him is a J. Brown. I think he's gonna 1:13:28.840 --> 1:13:30.920 be really special. What would you guys think about somebody 1:13:30.960 --> 1:13:32.320 like that in the second round? If we can get 1:13:32.360 --> 1:13:35.479 him there? Our board has him mocked to the Patriots 1:13:35.479 --> 1:13:38.400 at forty six. There you go. So I think that 1:13:38.439 --> 1:13:41.880 there is very good depth in this receiver class. And 1:13:42.000 --> 1:13:43.759 I know you've been saying this to me for a while. 1:13:44.280 --> 1:13:46.160 Guys like Zay Flowers, who I think is the who 1:13:46.200 --> 1:13:48.800 are you thought he was going? That's everybody. Everybody's like, 1:13:48.960 --> 1:13:51.720 you know, Zay Flowers isn't a projected first round pick, 1:13:51.760 --> 1:13:53.840 but I think he'd be a steal. If everybody thinks 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:57.280 Zay Flowers is a steel, He's not a steel. Yeah. 1:13:57.360 --> 1:14:00.120 Josh Downs right from North Carolina, that's my guy. Yeah, 1:14:00.160 --> 1:14:02.840 I love me some Josh Down. And then I've heard 1:14:02.880 --> 1:14:05.320 a lot of buzz from from this SMU kid too, 1:14:05.720 --> 1:14:08.320 So there's some day two guys for sure. Can I 1:14:08.360 --> 1:14:10.080 give you the real wild card in this group? And 1:14:10.520 --> 1:14:12.519 I don't know how the Patriots are gonna feel about him. 1:14:12.520 --> 1:14:15.320 This goes back to your point of I forget exactly 1:14:15.360 --> 1:14:16.760 what it was when you talk about in jigbud and 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:19.439 taking the guy that doesn't necessarily you know, the guy 1:14:19.439 --> 1:14:24.760 who sat out. Yeah. So Kashawn Boutet was the consensus 1:14:24.840 --> 1:14:27.040 number one receiver in this class for most of the season. 1:14:28.120 --> 1:14:31.920 He so last year's great twenty twenty one, he's great, 1:14:32.680 --> 1:14:35.439 struggling in twenty twenty two, but the offense really struggled 1:14:35.439 --> 1:14:37.000 in twenty twenty two as a whole, Like it was 1:14:37.040 --> 1:14:41.519 kind of a mess there. He announced he was going 1:14:41.600 --> 1:14:45.080 back to school. Then a couple days later, this might 1:14:45.120 --> 1:14:47.760 have all been within like a day or two, they 1:14:47.760 --> 1:14:49.400 said he wasn't even though he was going back to school, 1:14:49.400 --> 1:14:51.479 he wasn't playing in the ball game. They never called 1:14:51.479 --> 1:14:54.120 it a suspension. Yeah, but the school said he wasn't 1:14:54.120 --> 1:14:56.439 playing in the ball game. And then he announced he 1:14:56.479 --> 1:14:58.559 was going to the draft. And there's been some rumors 1:14:58.560 --> 1:15:01.479 as to what happened in terms of some off field stuff, 1:15:01.520 --> 1:15:03.719 some party related stuff. I don't want to put anything 1:15:03.720 --> 1:15:07.880 out there that's not confirmed, But now nobody really knows 1:15:07.880 --> 1:15:10.360 where to put him. His talent wise, like he did 1:15:10.360 --> 1:15:12.320 at one point look like a wide receiver one in 1:15:12.360 --> 1:15:15.240 the draft, but you know he had a down year. 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:18.000 He's had this this thing. You go back to the 1:15:18.040 --> 1:15:20.240 twenty twenty one draft. The Patriots took a bunch of 1:15:20.280 --> 1:15:24.400 guys who were really good two years before they were drafted, right, 1:15:25.439 --> 1:15:27.320 our guys who are coming off injuries or whatever. So 1:15:27.640 --> 1:15:30.439 they have been into that kind of guy. Do they 1:15:30.560 --> 1:15:32.639 see Boutet? And this is one of those things where 1:15:32.640 --> 1:15:35.439 there might be stuff off the field that we just 1:15:35.479 --> 1:15:37.960 don't know. Yeah, and that he's gonna be sitting there 1:15:37.960 --> 1:15:40.080 in the fifth round, We're gonna be all like, what's happening? Right? 1:15:41.520 --> 1:15:43.600 But are they going to see him as an untouchable? 1:15:44.600 --> 1:15:46.320 I could just as easily be convinced that they're going 1:15:46.360 --> 1:15:48.679 to see him as a value pick in the second round. 1:15:49.360 --> 1:15:52.679 It's gonna be really interesting to see how his stock develops. Yeah, 1:15:52.720 --> 1:15:55.320 So I don't know, have you watched him? I have 1:15:55.400 --> 1:15:58.360 watched him live a little bit, but not not deep 1:15:58.439 --> 1:16:01.080 into it yet. But I think it's interesting about this 1:16:01.120 --> 1:16:03.519 class at wide receiver, and I would say to a 1:16:03.560 --> 1:16:06.200 degree at corner too. Yeah, I think you're gonna hear 1:16:06.240 --> 1:16:09.400 a lot of it's a deep class, but there's no 1:16:09.920 --> 1:16:13.000 Jamar Chase, right Like, it's a deep wide receiver class, 1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:17.240 but there's no uh, Marvin Harrison's junior. Like that's next year. 1:16:17.320 --> 1:16:19.320 I told you what my draft strategy would be. Just 1:16:19.439 --> 1:16:21.800 draft Marvin Harrison junior. Tellbab league to deal with it. 1:16:22.200 --> 1:16:25.200 That that. I think you're gonna hear a lot of that, 1:16:25.280 --> 1:16:28.880 But I really think, right yeah, But from what I 1:16:28.920 --> 1:16:30.800 can't speak on the corners, but from what I've seen 1:16:30.800 --> 1:16:33.639 out of these wide receivers that I've I've studied so far, 1:16:34.680 --> 1:16:36.519 I think that's selling some of these guys a little 1:16:36.520 --> 1:16:38.719 bit short. Like I'm not. I don't think that Jackson 1:16:38.720 --> 1:16:41.800 Smith and Jigba and Jordan Addison or Jamar Chase level prospects. 1:16:41.840 --> 1:16:45.960 But those guys are number one pick, first round pick 1:16:46.080 --> 1:16:49.280 wide receiver prospects every single year, right like every year. 1:16:49.760 --> 1:16:52.320 I don't think that there's a big difference between Jackson 1:16:52.320 --> 1:16:55.800 Smith and Jigba in the tape that you know, Jerry 1:16:55.880 --> 1:16:58.400 Judy and Ceedee Lamb and those guys put out a 1:16:58.400 --> 1:16:59.920 couple of years ago, right like that. I think that 1:17:00.000 --> 1:17:02.800 that's my point is those guys, I think our first 1:17:02.880 --> 1:17:05.559 round picks in twenty twenty three as if they were 1:17:05.600 --> 1:17:09.920 in twenty nineteen. So there might not be a Calvin Johnson, 1:17:10.000 --> 1:17:14.400 Jamar Chase, Matt Marvin Harrison junior prospect. But the Patriots 1:17:14.400 --> 1:17:17.120 are are also not picking that high, right, so they 1:17:17.120 --> 1:17:18.960 don't need that guy. There's a lot of guys you say, 1:17:19.000 --> 1:17:22.160 I love his game, but yeah, that's basically what it is. Yes, 1:17:22.280 --> 1:17:28.080 our butts uh argon Argin, Yep, yep, I'm here. Hey, 1:17:28.120 --> 1:17:30.200 well tell me how you pronounce your name so I know, 1:17:31.080 --> 1:17:33.439 uh yeah, so you actually pronounced it. H you pronounced 1:17:33.439 --> 1:17:38.479 my name Argin? Yeah? Cool, awesome? What's up? All right? 1:17:38.479 --> 1:17:40.600 So I'll just get quicked from that point. So, you know, 1:17:40.640 --> 1:17:42.080 you guys have been talking a lot about you know, 1:17:42.120 --> 1:17:44.559 our draft class and like our you know signed one, 1:17:44.600 --> 1:17:48.400 you know draft one. So I've just been like thinking, 1:17:48.479 --> 1:17:51.280 like for me personally, like I hear a lot about 1:17:51.320 --> 1:17:53.160 these rumors. I know, like this might be outlandish, but 1:17:53.280 --> 1:17:56.439 something like Dylan Ramsey or like someone like Dape. I 1:17:56.439 --> 1:17:58.720 guess I'll be get a million questions about about that guy, 1:17:59.200 --> 1:18:01.160 like what do you guys think, like as far as 1:18:01.160 --> 1:18:03.600 like where should be like you know what what you 1:18:03.600 --> 1:18:05.720 guys would give up for him, and like you guys 1:18:05.760 --> 1:18:09.200 really think they're a trade target and like you know, okay, yeah, 1:18:09.280 --> 1:18:14.400 perfect question, Argent corner with Jalen Ramsey. So the Rams 1:18:14.800 --> 1:18:17.040 bill came do I hate that saying with the NFL, 1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:20.960 but quite frankly, that's the truth. Sean mcvay's back, Aaron 1:18:21.000 --> 1:18:24.320 Donald maybe today he said he's gonna be back. Okay, 1:18:24.439 --> 1:18:28.479 he clarified that Matthew Stafford back, but who knows what 1:18:28.520 --> 1:18:31.519 the album? Who knows back on the roster, right, So 1:18:31.920 --> 1:18:35.360 I don't know if McVay and Donald are back. I 1:18:35.360 --> 1:18:37.519 don't think the Rams are in full cell mode yet. 1:18:37.880 --> 1:18:40.120 I think they had they almost have to just go 1:18:40.200 --> 1:18:42.400 for it again. Yeah, they don't really have much of 1:18:42.400 --> 1:18:45.160 a choice. So I'll say this too in terms of Ramsey, 1:18:46.160 --> 1:18:49.160 he didn't have a great year. Yeah, he's going back 1:18:49.160 --> 1:18:51.479 to the super Bowl last year. I mean he's not 1:18:51.800 --> 1:18:55.680 looked like that number one corner. I wouldn't give up 1:18:55.680 --> 1:18:58.240 a ton for him, Yeah, I wouldn't. And with that 1:18:58.320 --> 1:19:02.840 contract too, Like in this draft class and all of 1:19:02.880 --> 1:19:08.120 it pass, Okay, As DeAndre Hopkins and the Patriots just 1:19:08.160 --> 1:19:11.920 interviewed Bill O'Brien or this morning. It was Breer Albert 1:19:11.960 --> 1:19:14.320 Brier out of some context. The interview took place this morning. 1:19:14.600 --> 1:19:18.400 So here's the question that I think everybody's gonna ask 1:19:18.400 --> 1:19:20.760 with Bill O'Brien is is that I mean you're out 1:19:20.800 --> 1:19:24.479 on Hopkins because of their Their divorce in Houston was 1:19:24.520 --> 1:19:28.519 not pretty. Hopkins has been on the record saying that 1:19:28.800 --> 1:19:31.040 the drama was a little bit overblown, that it's not 1:19:31.080 --> 1:19:33.600 as bad as it really was made out to be 1:19:33.760 --> 1:19:35.800 in some of the stories that came out about it. 1:19:36.080 --> 1:19:37.679 But at the end of the day, Hopkins is gonna 1:19:37.680 --> 1:19:39.160 have some options and I don't know if he really 1:19:39.200 --> 1:19:41.840 wants to be married again with Bill O'Brien. With that 1:19:41.880 --> 1:19:44.599 being said, just take that off the board for a second. Yeah, 1:19:44.680 --> 1:19:47.519 just in terms of pure draft capital, like what are 1:19:47.520 --> 1:19:50.120 you giving up for DeAndre Hopkins second round pick in 1:19:50.120 --> 1:19:52.479 a future top one fifty. I think that gets it down. 1:19:52.920 --> 1:19:54.559 I'm with you on the second round pick. So here's 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:57.960 the thing. His value has been set. He was traded 1:19:58.040 --> 1:20:01.000 three years ago. That trade I know it was, but 1:20:01.040 --> 1:20:02.880 this is how teams look at it, and and as 1:20:02.920 --> 1:20:04.800 bad of a trade as it was, what's happened since 1:20:05.479 --> 1:20:08.640 he caught a peed suspension. Yeah, only one of the 1:20:08.680 --> 1:20:11.679 three seasons he's played over. He's played over ten games, 1:20:12.120 --> 1:20:14.800 and he crossed the age thirty barrier. So even if 1:20:14.840 --> 1:20:17.240 even if you say a going off of that trade 1:20:17.320 --> 1:20:20.720 is wrong because it was so lopsided, you're gonna use 1:20:20.760 --> 1:20:22.960 it as a base one way or the other, and 1:20:23.000 --> 1:20:25.240 then you bring in all those other factors. That was 1:20:25.280 --> 1:20:28.200 a second, a fourth, and whatever was left of David Johnson, Right, 1:20:29.120 --> 1:20:31.679 So does a second and a fourth get it done? 1:20:32.320 --> 1:20:34.360 I think so like a second in a future fourth, 1:20:34.560 --> 1:20:36.040 and I think they got like a fourth or fifth 1:20:36.080 --> 1:20:39.519 back or something Hawkins straight up for this year's second 1:20:39.960 --> 1:20:42.800 and a twenty twenty four fourth. Yeah, I'll go pick 1:20:42.840 --> 1:20:44.760 him up from the airport. Yeah, I do that. Yeah, 1:20:44.800 --> 1:20:46.720 I do that as well. Fourteen is totally out of 1:20:46.760 --> 1:20:50.880 the question. Fourteen No, yeah, no, that's that's like if 1:20:50.920 --> 1:20:53.560 I really have to give it up to get Jerry Judy. No, 1:20:54.560 --> 1:20:57.280 if it's like fourteen for like Judy and the Broncos second, 1:20:57.320 --> 1:21:00.040 which is gonna be like thirty, Like I'm saying I 1:21:00.040 --> 1:21:02.400 put it in the conversation, I wouldn't do it straight up, yeah, 1:21:02.439 --> 1:21:05.080 but I would at least discuss that as an option. 1:21:05.800 --> 1:21:10.000 That's Judy, who's twenty six, right, and it's been healthy 1:21:10.280 --> 1:21:13.439 and all of that, right, Judy. I think I would 1:21:13.439 --> 1:21:15.519 talk about it with Higgins. Right. I don't know if 1:21:15.520 --> 1:21:17.519 I would do it with either, but I would. I would. 1:21:17.520 --> 1:21:19.840 I would put it if I'm gonna get like a 1:21:19.840 --> 1:21:22.400 second round pick back and maybe some future picks. Like 1:21:23.160 --> 1:21:26.720 at that point, it's fourteen for Higgins and it's fourteen 1:21:26.800 --> 1:21:30.640 for Judy, and yeah, the Cardinals called and said, all right, 1:21:30.680 --> 1:21:32.400 we want fourteen for Hopkins. Gonna say, what else are 1:21:32.400 --> 1:21:34.400 you gonna give me? Right, You're gonna give me whatever 1:21:34.439 --> 1:21:36.599 pick they have ten to eleven. And if you're a Denver, 1:21:36.800 --> 1:21:39.800 not to get too down the rabbit hole here. They 1:21:39.880 --> 1:21:42.800 just gave up everything for Russell Wilson. They need a pick, 1:21:42.880 --> 1:21:44.400 they need to pick. They need a pick. Yeah, right, 1:21:44.439 --> 1:21:47.360 so it's it's not a horrible path, all right, Eldred, 1:21:47.400 --> 1:21:54.040 what's up? Hey? Good, Hey Alegins, name's Alex. That's fine, 1:21:55.120 --> 1:21:57.679 But I would I wouldn't give a fucking for Hopkins. 1:21:57.720 --> 1:21:59.160 Go to the aage. I've got to give a third 1:21:59.200 --> 1:22:01.640 and a fourth. That's fair because of the age and 1:22:01.680 --> 1:22:05.240 everything else. I wouldn't give a sucke. I look, I 1:22:05.360 --> 1:22:07.240 just think that's what it's gonna take to get it done. 1:22:07.280 --> 1:22:09.519 I'm not saying that that's the best scenario, but okay, 1:22:09.600 --> 1:22:13.160 that's fair, just fair, take that's fairy. Okay. My question 1:22:13.320 --> 1:22:16.680 is I don't have problem with is I like to 1:22:16.680 --> 1:22:19.320 do offers the guys they're interviewing or whatever. But I'm like, 1:22:19.400 --> 1:22:22.560 I'm with you Evans. If it ain't. If it ain't O'Brien, 1:22:23.000 --> 1:22:24.599 I don't know about the other guys, I'd be kind 1:22:24.600 --> 1:22:27.439 of worried about it. And um, I did worry about 1:22:27.479 --> 1:22:29.559 gm on when it comes to the draft and picking, 1:22:30.160 --> 1:22:33.240 because as this track record, that's what I'd be worried about, 1:22:33.479 --> 1:22:35.360 you know, unless you listen to somebody else this year, 1:22:35.680 --> 1:22:38.240 because how last year went, you still got the same 1:22:38.320 --> 1:22:41.439 guy drafted. And I don't like that board. They always 1:22:41.520 --> 1:22:45.599 use this guy the same as that guy. You're you're 1:22:45.680 --> 1:22:48.000 preaching to the choir on the draft right now, Thanks 1:22:48.000 --> 1:22:52.519 for the call out, I love you. Uh, it's not 1:22:52.560 --> 1:22:56.240 the same guy picking. They got Macro now Cole Strange 1:22:56.320 --> 1:22:59.920 is not a Macro pick, but the rest it feels 1:23:00.080 --> 1:23:02.800 like a lot changed between their first pick and the 1:23:02.880 --> 1:23:06.519 rest of the pick. I know, I don't necessary. Marcus Jones, 1:23:06.720 --> 1:23:10.960 Jack Jones, Bailey Zappye, you know what do it? That 1:23:11.080 --> 1:23:15.560 all feels to me like though? Is like all the 1:23:15.720 --> 1:23:18.519 like Marcus Jones went to Houston, right, Bailey Zappy goes 1:23:18.560 --> 1:23:21.800 to Western like I need. I'm sorry, I need the 1:23:21.840 --> 1:23:26.280 twenty twenty one draft again. I need Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma 1:23:26.520 --> 1:23:30.040 like Ohio State, like give me because if you miss 1:23:30.080 --> 1:23:33.280 on those guys, then I can explain it right like 1:23:33.320 --> 1:23:36.679 I can justify it no matter what, because those guys 1:23:36.800 --> 1:23:41.320 are name brand, five star, blue chip prospects. When you 1:23:41.400 --> 1:23:43.760 miss and I'm just saying they necessarily missed, But when 1:23:43.760 --> 1:23:46.800 you get a player who's good but not great, which 1:23:46.880 --> 1:23:49.080 is what I think Cold Strange is right now, fine, 1:23:49.240 --> 1:23:53.920 solid guard, but he's not Zach Martin, right. And when 1:23:53.960 --> 1:23:57.439 you get that type of player with this team right now, 1:23:57.439 --> 1:23:59.960 we're there. It doesn't move the needle. It doesn't move. 1:24:00.000 --> 1:24:02.360 But here's what i'd say. You know, they wanted speed. 1:24:02.439 --> 1:24:04.439 Let's use running back as an example. They wanted speed. 1:24:04.920 --> 1:24:08.000 The fastest forty times for running backs where Pierre Strong 1:24:08.080 --> 1:24:10.240 was the most at South Dakota State. Yeah, the other 1:24:10.560 --> 1:24:12.560 there was I remember I did this last year. I 1:24:12.560 --> 1:24:14.760 don't remember the schools, but of the four top forty times, 1:24:14.800 --> 1:24:17.479 only one was a Power five school. You know, right, 1:24:18.360 --> 1:24:20.559 say you didn't have a ton of fast corners last year. 1:24:20.560 --> 1:24:22.280 Marcus Jones didn't run, but was a guy that was 1:24:22.320 --> 1:24:27.080 expected to be. But Marcus Jones is because that word out. 1:24:27.320 --> 1:24:30.519 I think what they were targeting last year they happened 1:24:30.520 --> 1:24:32.519 to have to go to small schools to get I 1:24:32.560 --> 1:24:35.200 don't think they targeted small schools. Okay, to get what 1:24:35.240 --> 1:24:37.160 I'm saying, I get what you're saying. I just I 1:24:37.240 --> 1:24:40.639 go back and I know that. My point of bringing 1:24:40.720 --> 1:24:43.599 up the eighteen draft is because even though it didn't 1:24:43.640 --> 1:24:46.400 work out, taking the two Georgia guys at the top 1:24:47.240 --> 1:24:50.479 was justifiable, right like it made tense. You picked two 1:24:50.479 --> 1:24:52.799 guys from the Georgia team that went to the National 1:24:52.880 --> 1:24:56.400 Championship game, just balled out in the College Football playoff, 1:24:56.600 --> 1:24:59.000 and it makes sense. Yes, they drafted the wrong Georgia 1:24:59.080 --> 1:25:01.760 running back. Yes, Isaiah Win didn't pan out, but to 1:25:01.840 --> 1:25:04.880 pick in the moment at the time was just a fay. 1:25:04.920 --> 1:25:08.080 But we both loved Trevor Penning last year. We both 1:25:08.120 --> 1:25:10.240 said they took Trevor Penning, that would be that would work, 1:25:10.280 --> 1:25:12.120 but that was at a premium position. Went to Northern Aisle. 1:25:12.200 --> 1:25:14.439 At least we're at a premium position now. At least 1:25:14.439 --> 1:25:17.120 we've moved from guard putting a lot of qualifiers on 1:25:17.160 --> 1:25:20.519 this well. I have two qualifiers premium position from a 1:25:20.560 --> 1:25:23.120 Power five school. I don't think that should be that hard. Huh. 1:25:23.280 --> 1:25:24.880 All right, we have to make the show announced because 1:25:24.920 --> 1:25:27.960 we have to wrap big show announcement. Here we go, 1:25:28.120 --> 1:25:32.000 drumroll please. Last week we found out that the Patriots 1:25:32.120 --> 1:25:35.679 will be coaching at the East West Shrine Bowl out 1:25:35.680 --> 1:25:41.040 in Las Vegas. Last year, they drafted four players from 1:25:41.080 --> 1:25:45.559 the Shrine Bowl Taekwon, Thornton, Jack Jones, Pierre Strong, Sam Roberts, 1:25:45.640 --> 1:25:47.320 and they picked up a couple of udfas from the 1:25:47.320 --> 1:25:51.120 Shrine Bowl as to Eric King and Lebrian Ray catch 1:25:51.160 --> 1:25:54.640 twenty two and myself and Alex are going to the 1:25:54.680 --> 1:25:57.000 Shrine Bowl. We're gonna be out there with the team 1:25:57.080 --> 1:26:00.400 next week for all three days four days practice. I 1:26:00.479 --> 1:26:02.760 think it is four days of practice. We're gonna do 1:26:02.840 --> 1:26:06.760 live shows from Las Vegas after watching Shrine Bowl practices. 1:26:06.920 --> 1:26:10.600 So each day each day and we're gonna talk about prospects. 1:26:10.640 --> 1:26:12.680 We're gonna talk about the coaching staff and what we 1:26:12.720 --> 1:26:15.280 see because the Patriots other than de Marcus Covington are 1:26:15.320 --> 1:26:17.519 all gonna be there as well. So is Covington not 1:26:17.600 --> 1:26:20.000 going because there's only one day of overlap, it's potent 1:26:20.200 --> 1:26:21.800 he potentially could be conn be there at the beginning 1:26:21.840 --> 1:26:24.400 of the week. So Cash twenty two goes on the road. 1:26:24.600 --> 1:26:27.360 Cash twenty two goes to the Shrine Bowl and we'll 1:26:27.400 --> 1:26:30.400 have you completely covered out in Las Vegas. This is 1:26:30.439 --> 1:26:32.599 our first time traveling together. It's trying to think about 1:26:32.600 --> 1:26:35.320 this this morning. No, we travel together at our first No, No, 1:26:35.400 --> 1:26:37.280 I know, but I think this is our first time 1:26:37.320 --> 1:26:41.519 traveling together since twenty nineteen. Yes, So Cash twenty two 1:26:41.560 --> 1:26:44.120 at the Shrine Bowl, we will see. Well you're here 1:26:44.160 --> 1:26:47.400 from us, from there, from Las We're doing a show 1:26:47.400 --> 1:26:49.960 next week. Yeah, we're doing next next week. We'll preview 1:26:49.960 --> 1:26:52.880 the rosters. All right, until then, signing off, Alex bart 1:26:52.960 --> 1:26:57.720 Evan Lazar See at the Shrine Bowl. Everybody. Thank you 1:26:57.720 --> 1:27:01.320 for downloading this podcast, subscribe an Apple, Google Play, and 1:27:01.439 --> 1:27:04.439 everywhere else you listen. Like the show, Please rate and 1:27:04.520 --> 1:27:07.760 review us. 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