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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth. Lazar Zar Lazar, Well, everybody nailed it,

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex barks. All right, so

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Speaker 1: maybe this is where we where we veer off. Yeah, uh,

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Speaker 1: Michael Flour two. I'd probably take michaela flour right now, Alex,

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Speaker 1: for the Patriots here in the second Evan Lazar, Alex

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Speaker 1: Barth Patriots Catch twenty two going to be with you

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Speaker 1: for the next hour plus. We got some leeway today

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Speaker 1: at least right through the draft. Yes, that's the hope.

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Speaker 1: That's not the big announcement, But that's not the big announced.

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Speaker 1: asking I feel bad because people want consistency, right, they

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Speaker 1: running backs coach, Brian Dable tight ends, Chadow Shay wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: Who's the quarterbacks coach McDaniels, Yeah, Chopinski here. No, So

427
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Speaker 1: they had some other lower guys were we're already there, right,

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Speaker 1: you know some guys I yeah, Kaylee was like an

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Speaker 1: offensive assistant. Yeah, Mike Pellegrino's obviously the quarterback corner backs.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me with the Sea coach that he was a

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Speaker 1: low level assistant at that point in time. But just

432
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Speaker 1: to think about that staff, right, and Dabel might end

433
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Speaker 1: up being the best one out of all, right, and

434
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Speaker 1: he was just the coach should be Coach of the Year,

435
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Speaker 1: He should be Coach of the Year this year. I'm saying, Um,

436
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Speaker 1: the point being, look, you're not necessarily going to get

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Speaker 1: back to that level, right, You're just like you said,

438
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Speaker 1: it's so absurd. But the Patriots did this great job

439
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Speaker 1: over twenty years. If they were always guys in the pipeline,

440
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Speaker 1: like they went from Kernell to Dean Peas, but like

441
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Speaker 1: Dan Pas was an assistant under Kernell, and then Matt

442
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Speaker 1: Patricia was an assistant under Peas, right, and then Brian

443
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Speaker 1: Flores was an assistant under Patricia, And there's just this pipeline.

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Speaker 1: And you kind of had it on the offensive side

445
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Speaker 1: of the ball too, where you had McDaniels work under

446
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Speaker 1: Weiss and then you had O'Brien work under McDaniels. They

447
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Speaker 1: that pipeline sort of stopped on the offensive side. I

448
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Speaker 1: think on the defensive side of the ball it still exists.

449
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Speaker 1: I liked their staff on the defensive side of the ball,

450
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Speaker 1: I really do. UM, But I think DeMarcus Covington he's

451
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Speaker 1: gonna coordinate the shrine. He sneaky up and coming, like

452
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Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that that they have in

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Speaker 1: the pipeline on defense. We obviously know how much they

454
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Speaker 1: loved Gerard Mayo based on the statement last week, right,

455
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Speaker 1: But I think that getting to bring it back to

456
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Speaker 1: the point, this is not that offensive staff. The pipeline

457
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Speaker 1: has dried up. They need to reinvigorate not just the

458
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator job, at the positional coaches as well, because

459
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Speaker 1: those guys are so much more important than people realize.

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Speaker 1: And again, we look at this list, it's sort of

461
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Speaker 1: like we just talked about, and I actually just typed

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Speaker 1: it out here, just the list of interviewees, and you've

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Speaker 1: alluded to this O'Brien, McCardell, Jefferson, clem Kayley. That's a staff.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's the staff. So get the

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator hired. But after that, we're not done with

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff. Who's who's the three big ones, who's

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Speaker 1: the QB coach, who's the wide receiver's coach, who's the

468
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Speaker 1: offensive line coach? Gotta get those answered. And even if

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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien is the quarterbacks coach on top of being

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Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, which he was his first stint here,

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Speaker 1: and McDaniels was at the end of his time here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: McDaniels was for a decade forever. Yeah, and then Jed

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Speaker 1: Fish I think stopped that streak. And then bo heart

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Speaker 1: Agree comes in and well, so here's in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: McDaniels was the quarterbacks coach. Heart Agree was listed as

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Speaker 1: an offensive assistant, but it was pretty clear just watching

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Speaker 1: that he was the assistant quarterbacks coach. Yea, even if

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Speaker 1: O'Brien is the OC and quarterbacks coach, he's got to

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Speaker 1: go do other offensive coordinator stuff at times. Go get

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Speaker 1: that assistant quarterbacks coach whoever. I don't have a name. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: it'd help this take if I had a name name

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Speaker 1: a former quarterback who's in coaching or wants to get

483
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Speaker 1: into coaching. That's just gonna live on Max Hip and

484
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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien's gonna be there and he's gonna be a

485
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Speaker 1: big part of it. But when Bill's got to go

486
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Speaker 1: meet with the other coaches to come up with the

487
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Speaker 1: game plan, Max still got a coach there with him.

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Speaker 1: I think that Bohart Agree was an understated loss when

489
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Speaker 1: he went to Vegas with Josh McDaniels and Soam and

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Speaker 1: Chaplinsky on the field, right, filling that role would be

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Speaker 1: would be big. Okay, let's take Patty's call. If you

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Speaker 1: want to call in and give your your take asks

493
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Speaker 1: the questions eight five five pats five hundred. You can

494
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Speaker 1: also email us at web radio at Patriots dot com

495
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Speaker 1: and then, uh, let's answer Patty's question or take his call.

496
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Speaker 1: Then we're gonna get into his positional needs and we'll

497
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Speaker 1: circle act to this at the end and make sure

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Speaker 1: we button this up. But we got to the announcement,

499
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Speaker 1: so oh in the announcement, of course, Satty, Patty, what's up? Man?

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Speaker 1: I can't take credit for this question. I think it

501
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Speaker 1: was either Russ Goldman or Steve Bellistry that that sort

502
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Speaker 1: of had this hypothesis. But if you're your Belichick, your Craft,

503
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Speaker 1: you're the ownership group, you do you like put all

504
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Speaker 1: your chips on on Nick Kayley to hopefully have him stay.

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Speaker 1: And let's say O'Brien signed a two year contract. You

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Speaker 1: have him out of the contract, but have Nick Kayley

507
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Speaker 1: as that offensive coordinator in waiting. So you're saying you

508
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Speaker 1: would give Nick Kayley assurances that he would be the

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator eventually to keep him on the Patriots staff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because you know, I mean, this is this is sort

511
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Speaker 1: of a I mean, if if everything goes well, this

512
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Speaker 1: is just sort of a like patting your resume for

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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien. So I don't like if if they do

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Speaker 1: a hire him, I don't see him here past two years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a that's a good question, Patty, And that was

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Speaker 1: thanks for the call. I think that's why when we

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Speaker 1: were talking about Sean Jefferson and KINGO McCardell as kind

518
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Speaker 1: of waiting in the wings with O'Brien bridging that gap now,

519
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: but it couldn't be Kayley, how long's he gonna wait? Right?

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Speaker 1: They already made him wait this year and he's been

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Speaker 1: he's been on staff for eight years. I mean, in theory, yeah,

522
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Speaker 1: you could do that. I don't know that Kayley agrees that. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that O'Brien agrees to that. Having the

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Speaker 1: next guy right there over his shoulder to one thing

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Speaker 1: Patty said, I would push back on a little bit

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Speaker 1: that this is just patting his resume for Bill O'Brien.

527
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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien was supposed to get a big time college

528
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Speaker 1: football head coaching gig. When the season started, he had

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Speaker 1: he took Bryce Younger the heisman. That offense was a wagon. Now.

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Speaker 1: They lost a lot of talent in the draft, and

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Speaker 1: you kind of had this epiphany the other night. I'd

532
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Speaker 1: been trying to tell you about it. Alabama's offensive personnel

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Speaker 1: this past year, like the players, wasn't what it's typically been.

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Speaker 1: No love Jimir Gibbs. I think he can play the

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Speaker 1: wide receivers. That that chain of going, you know, all

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Speaker 1: the way back to really Julio Jones under Sabin, that

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Speaker 1: run of wide receivers. They lost a couple of guys

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Speaker 1: in the draft, Aggie Hall transferred to Texas, dried up

539
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Speaker 1: a little bit, but the numbers weren't there, the production

540
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Speaker 1: wasn't there, that the success wasn't there. This isn't Bill

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Speaker 1: O'Brien patting his resume. This is him trying to get

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Speaker 1: a reset. It's it's an interesting thing about Alabama's offense.

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Speaker 1: And you and I are gonna keep hammering this. If

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Speaker 1: they do make this higher and they hire Bill Brian

545
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Speaker 1: and I know people are gonna all you're you know,

546
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Speaker 1: you're making excuses for him. It's Alabama I have never seen.

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Speaker 1: I look, I watch Alabama tape for the last three

548
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Speaker 1: or four years. In the draft season, every single year

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Speaker 1: they got seventeen guys right that you're watching wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: lineman quarterbacks. Obviously with Mac running backs, I watched him

551
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Speaker 1: every offseason. I watch Alabama a hundred times. On offense,

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Speaker 1: I have never seen an Alabama receiving course so slow

553
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Speaker 1: in the four years that i've really seriously as they

554
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Speaker 1: have no speed at receiver comparative comparatively speak. When you

555
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Speaker 1: watched Alabama's offense, it remind you of the Patriots twenty

556
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Speaker 1: two offense at all in terms of that. Yes, well

557
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Speaker 1: not just the whole thing was built around Jamire Gibbs

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Speaker 1: at running back, like they used Jamire Gibbs like the

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Speaker 1: Patriots use Romontres Stevenson. If he wasn't creating the play

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Speaker 1: like Cameron Laws to the tight end had a couple

561
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Speaker 1: nice plays. Yeah, he's kind of Hunter Henry right, yeah, right.

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Speaker 1: Beyond that, there was Bright It wasn't Price Young's fault.

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Speaker 1: It was I mean, he was hurt for part of

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Speaker 1: the year, so in that sense, I don't know that

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Speaker 1: he was one hundred percent, but it did. Now, again

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Speaker 1: that's because of the personnel. I don't think that's Bill

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Speaker 1: O'Brien deciding to do that. They tried to throw the

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Speaker 1: ball early. They couldn't do it, so they just built

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Speaker 1: the whole thing around Gibbs. It's crazy to watch that

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Speaker 1: because when you see, for example, just I have a

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Speaker 1: million cutups of Bill O'Brien stuff for fully, I've already

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Speaker 1: prepared for when they make this higher, right, just you

573
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Speaker 1: have stuff prepared for the other guys too, write a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I have to get in Jefferson, and well,

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Speaker 1: I guess Jefferson. I have all my my Cliff, my

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Speaker 1: Cliff folder, which will be all Jefferson stuff as well.

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Speaker 1: But with with O'Brien, when you pull clips from the

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Speaker 1: twenty one Bama offense and then you pull clips from

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Speaker 1: the twenty two Bama offense, it's like it's like a

580
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Speaker 1: totally different team, right, I mean it just Bryce Young

581
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Speaker 1: still there. Well, they lost so much talent. Yeah, so

582
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Speaker 1: the receiving corps is not I was watching their film

583
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Speaker 1: against ole Miss from this past season. The old Miss

584
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Speaker 1: secondary was covering their receivers no problem. When's the last

585
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Speaker 1: time that you could say that an ole Miss defense

586
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Speaker 1: could keep up with Alabama like in a and now

587
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Speaker 1: now heading that type of speed game. They actually had

588
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Speaker 1: some ballers in the secondary. I can't remember they have

589
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Speaker 1: one corner that that I like that he's not eligible,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, you're right, I'm just trying to flex some

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Speaker 1: college football stuff. You are right, Yeah, it was. It

592
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Speaker 1: was tough to watch at times, all right, so that

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Speaker 1: we got a couple of questions here um as well

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Speaker 1: on the email that about Doug Marone. You know, how

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Speaker 1: likely is it that they can pull him out of

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Speaker 1: New Orleans. I think it's likely because of the relationship

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Speaker 1: that he has with O'Brien, right, if O'Brien is the

598
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Speaker 1: coordinator here, right, Apparently they go way way roommates I heard.

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's the wives were roommates. The

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Speaker 1: wise were roommates. But they also apparently coach coached together

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Speaker 1: at the Coastguard Academy. Who knows, Hey, I go back.

602
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: I have called Coastguard Academy football. They run the triple option.

603
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: They go way back. But if you're bringing in a

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Speaker 1: guy like Marone to be a line coach, then then

605
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: Adrian Clem is out right, like Adrian Clem is not

606
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Speaker 1: going to come here and give up all those titles

607
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Speaker 1: in Oregon to be the assistant offensive line Well, unless

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things where again, like I said that,

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Speaker 1: you know Clems the offensive line coach, and Marone is

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Speaker 1: just this other sort of guy, or like the Michael

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Speaker 1: Lombardi role or or yeah, yeah, that's why keep going

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Speaker 1: back to that Bill Moro because it feels comparable. I

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Speaker 1: think that too, because if that report is true that

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Speaker 1: Bill was in New Orleans to talk to Doug Morone, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: then something tells me that there is an maybe Bill

616
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Speaker 1: needs that offensive consultant. Right, Bills a defensive guy, we

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Speaker 1: know that, so maybe he's looking at Moron as sort

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Speaker 1: of this this offensive guy that's been an offense for

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Speaker 1: a hundred years and knows the ins and outs of

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Speaker 1: the coaching cycle and all that type of stuff. So

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Speaker 1: it's definitely possible. But that's the news of the hour

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Speaker 1: right now. The Patriots officially did interview Bill O'Brien for

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Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator role, And as Alex and I have

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Speaker 1: been saying, if all these other interviews are just to

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Speaker 1: build a staff for Bill O'Brien, then everything sort of

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Speaker 1: falls into place and the awesome Yeah, then this is

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Speaker 1: as good as you could have hope for. All Right,

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Speaker 1: I want to change gears here, and if there's any

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Speaker 1: more offensive coaching staff. I see stuff. We're definitely going

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Speaker 1: to get into it, but we want to get to

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Speaker 1: positional needs we didn't have. Did you say there are questions?

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Speaker 1: There was a couple of that. Was it okay? And

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Speaker 1: if you want to call on eight five five pass

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Speaker 1: five hundred again, is the is the phone number? I

635
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Speaker 1: want to get into these positional needs. Kind of pivot

636
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Speaker 1: here from the coaching staff to the roster. Because we're

637
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: talking so much about the coaching staff all over the

638
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Speaker 1: place on Patriots dot com bat I don't feel like

639
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: we're talking a whole lot about the roster. Well, I mean,

640
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: it's great to have good coaches, but you have to

641
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: good let's burch that and we kind of talked about

642
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: it before, at least on the offensive side of the ball.

643
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: Isn't who they hire going to somewhat dictate the personnel?

644
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: I would hope so, And I mean that as in

645
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: I would hope that they are going to give him

646
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: the power to dictate some of the personnel. I understand

647
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien's track record with personnel and Houston was horrible.

648
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: I mean that DeAndre Hopkins trade probably got him fired.

649
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: I get that, but I still trust Bill O'Brien more

650
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: than I trust their current brain trust to drop this offense.

651
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We've talked about it, and I don't think

652
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: it's their number one need. I think it's number three.

653
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: They need that big, number one receiver that's gonna dictate.

654
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,959
Speaker 1: Just here's my point. Yes, the guy that O'Brien's gonna

655
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: want might be different than the guy McCardell wants or

656
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: Jefferson wants. Right, and if they're gonna run different schemes,

657
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: they might want different guys. And maybe that's a part

658
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: of I think the lore for me of a guy

659
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: like Sean Jefferson or Keenan McCardell is actually their scouting

660
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 1: ability to look at this is what I'm saying, changing

661
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: the development. Look, if I'm in the room doing these

662
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: interviews with Bill and whoever else is in there, I

663
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: would assume Bill's in there. Yeah. One of the first

664
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: questions I'm asking is, all right, we've determined we need

665
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: to go get Mac Jones, the guy. It's the third year.

666
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: We want our A j Brown, our STEFONDI who do

667
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: you like offensive coordinator candidate who? And I don't there's

668
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: no right if I was the office, there's no right

669
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: or wrong answer. Well I was offensive ahead, I'll interview you.

670
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: If I was the offensive coordinator candidate, I'd flipped the

671
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: script and I'd say, who do you like? Because no offense,

672
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: you're the one with the bad track record? Right, Like

673
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: i I'm Keenan McCardell. I've got Justin Jefferson. I can't

674
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: remember their other receiver's name. Who's actually been j Yeah,

675
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: he's Osborne or Whatever's good? Isn't jo or terrible that

676
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: he's he's developed into a nice player. I think some

677
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: of the Cardinals is Joe. Yeah. I think some of

678
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: the Cardinals receivers outside of DeAndre Hopkins take it or

679
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: leave it. But I think some of those guys have potential.

680
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: Rondel Moore, if he can stay healthy, certainly has potential.

681
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think those guys all have better track records,

682
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: no offense too than the Patriots. No. But but but

683
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: my point is, like they might all say different guys, right,

684
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna like, all right, Well, I'm just let's say,

685
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: all right, because he's with the Colonels, Let's say Sean

686
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: Jefferson sits down and says I'm bringing Deandredre and he

687
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: gives this this. Then he talked to Bill O'Brien, who

688
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: has the history right with with DeAndre, Habinson says, I

689
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: think and he's been in Albam. You know, I want

690
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: to go get Jerry Judy, right, you're gonna sit there

691
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: and discuss that, right, Yeah, and then if they both

692
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: get hired that So I think that you have to

693
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: talk about the staff first because you need to know

694
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: what the plan is going to be before you can

695
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: start plugging players into that plan. We can, of course

696
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: do needs, but I'm just saying I think that's a

697
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: good thing. I think that we talk a lot, especially me,

698
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: to talk so much about scheme and concepts and things

699
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: like that. But at the end of the day, to

700
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: this coaching staff and this they got to make the

701
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: players work too, right, Right, It's not just about well,

702
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: what's your system and what do you want to run

703
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: and conceptually what do you believe mac Jones would be

704
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: good at? Like, it goes beyond that too, to the

705
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: other positions as well. All right, let's go five to one.

706
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: We didn't do this last week and I regretted it.

707
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: So I want to go five to one. We're gonna

708
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: leave the best for last or the number one need

709
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: that we both have for last. So we ranked them

710
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: one through five. I think you wrote a piece that

711
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: it was like every single position groups didn't. No, I

712
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: did my ten point your ten off season plan, full

713
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: plan from coaching to the draft. So I have positional

714
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: need posting out coming out tomorrow that is has more

715
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: than just Matt doositional needs. I bet we're here, we're

716
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: going to do one through five, just for time purpose,

717
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: five through one, five through one through one. Excuse my

718
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: number five need on my list here for the Patriots

719
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: is inside linebacker, off ball linebacker. So I understand that

720
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: they like Juwan Bentley and I like Juan Bentley. I

721
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: think Jowan Bentley has a role that is always going

722
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: to be in Bill Belichick's defense. The hard hitting Mike

723
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: Sure that's going to forever exist in a Bill Belichick defense. Now,

724
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: according to Next Gen, they have gotten more zone heavy

725
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: since twenty nineteen. They just cant that pendulum. It just

726
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: continues to swing towards zone coverage and now this past

727
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: season they were sixty four percent zone, which in the

728
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: Next Gen era is the most zone they've ever played.

729
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: Under Bill Belichick. Now, a lot of that I think

730
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: has to do with the fact of who their corners are, right,

731
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: and they don't feel confident. They don't have a Gilmore,

732
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: they don't have a Law, they don't have a Reeves,

733
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Speaker 1: they don't have a Talib, they don't have that number

734
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Speaker 1: one corner that he has Jamar Chase. He has Stefon

735
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: Diggs that they can really rely on and trust on

736
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Speaker 1: in that role. But I also just think that this

737
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: is the league now of more split safety coverage, more

738
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: zone coverage. You're playing Josh Allen, you're playing Burrow, You're

739
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: playing Miami's. Like, you can't just sit in man against

740
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: those teams all the time. You gotta mix it up.

741
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: You gotta do some different things. You gotta play softer.

742
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, if you try to go toe to toe

743
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: in the ring with Tyreek Hill for four quarters when

744
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: two is healthy, you're gonna get burnt eventually. That's just

745
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: the nature of the Beast. So I think zone is

746
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: a thing that's going to continue to happen. And I

747
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: look at inside linebacker and every offseason we talk about

748
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: speed at linebacker, speed at linebacker, But if they're gonna

749
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: be sixty four percent zone until at least they find

750
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: that golden goose corner. They need to be more athletic

751
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: at that spot, because Juwan Bentley and Joanni Tavai they

752
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: did their best. But if you're gonna be a truly

753
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 1: dynamic zone coverage defense, then you have to have speed

754
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: and range at linebacker. You just do. And the name

755
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you is another take of

756
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: mind with this offseason. I think the one thing that

757
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: you can take away from the twenty twenty one free

758
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: agency spending spree for the Patriots is that I would

759
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: rather pay top of market money to top of market

760
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: players then pay top of market money to the Nelson

761
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: Agaloors and the Johnny Smith of the world, just because

762
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: you need a tight end. So the guy that I

763
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: look at in this free agency class that I think

764
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: fills a need to a degree but also would just

765
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: make the team better is Tremaine Edmunds from Buffalo. I mean, yeah,

766
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: if he becomes a free agent and Buffalo, they could

767
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: make it work. But let's face it, they got a

768
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: lot of mouse to feed and buffs up players up

769
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: Allen's extensions about to kick in, Someone's going to be

770
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 1: the off band out and Mulana is an All Pro

771
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: player this year, right, just got first team All Pro.

772
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: So Tremaine Edmonds still is two hundred and fifty two

773
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five pounds, He's six foot four, two fifty.

774
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: I think he's a freak. He's got that athletic freakishness

775
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: to him, a little like Jamie Collins in that respect,

776
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: in terms of the body type and the athleticism off

777
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: the charts. I just think that that's the type of

778
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: player that I would rather pay Tremaine Edmonds the bag

779
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: than pay the bag to a wide receiver, just because

780
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: that it's a bigger need, right, Marcus Peters, Right, just

781
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: because it's a bigger need. So that's where I'm at

782
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: at off all linebacker. Where's your what's your number five need?

783
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: My number five need is safety, specifically deep safety. I

784
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: think that Devin mccordy kind of laid the breadcrumbs as

785
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: the guy who might be ready to walk away, And

786
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how important that deep safety

787
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: role is in the Patriots events. Even if they are

788
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: going to beat more zone, I don't think they're gonna

789
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: shift that drastically. Yeah, so getting a guy who can

790
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: play that center field, who his experience there maybe, I mean,

791
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: you can get a guy who's done both, but not

792
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: a guy who's just a purely box safety. Right, So

793
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: I mentioned Poyer's contract is up, Jesse Bates, those are

794
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 1: the two top safeties, Like, if you're gonna pay top

795
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: of the market to replace Devin mccordy, and this is

796
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: a spot you might not be able to address in

797
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: the draft because in college football there really aren't a

798
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: ton of true free safeties anymore. It's it's a problem

799
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: everybody plays everything right. And a lot of these college

800
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: teams in college when you watch college film, except the

801
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: SEC because that's that's basically an NFL light. But when

802
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: you watch like the Pac twelve, it's quarters. The whole

803
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: game is quite They sit in quarters and they hit

804
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: the top on the defense and that's split safety. And

805
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: you see a lot of split safety shells in the

806
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: college game. And now it's trickling up to the NFL.

807
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: So again, Bates and Poyer, interesting free agency if it's

808
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: a spot that they feel like they can coach up

809
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: and they can maybe go second tier. I look at it,

810
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: guy like Von Bell, Yeah, Taylor wraps a guy that

811
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: just seems like the kind of I thought it was

812
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: like draft Yeah, yeah, I mean special team's experiences. But

813
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: now that's you need to coach him up. You need help,

814
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: maybe a draft a guy to compete, but they can't

815
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: spend top tall or everywhere. I know the cap can

816
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: be manipulated, but at the end of the day, there

817
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: is a soft limit. But I think free safety, if

818
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: Devin leaves, is a very understated need. I'm a little

819
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: surprised they didn't get ahead of it. Last year. It

820
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: was a sneaky good year for deep safeties in the draft.

821
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Speaker 1: Uh what's his name? In Detroit? Who picked off Rogers

822
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: three times this year? From Illinois? Kirby, Kirby Joseph. We

823
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: were on Kirby. I thought I thought he was like

824
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: the next Devin mccordy. I'm looking at him like, this

825
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: is a Devin mccordy. Kind of got sized too, is

826
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: a big but I Syracuse right, Illinois, Illinois right Colors, Yeah, yeah,

827
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: the Colors. He had the approximate rank in your conference.

828
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, so peel mcguy too. So number four for

829
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: me is free safety. So we're speaking the same language.

830
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: I look at Jesse Bates, and I say, if that

831
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: guy doesn't get re up by Cincinnati, it's the same

832
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: as Tremata. I would rather pay Jesse Bates right because

833
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: I know that he's a stud I know he's a

834
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: great player at his position. I think he'd be great here.

835
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: He can play center field. And I also look at it.

836
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: They've done this in the past, and I think they

837
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: got away from it a little bit two free agencies

838
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: ago because they're just throwing money around. But in the

839
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: past they would rather pay the less premium position, a

840
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: little bit more of affordable deal, but get the best player. Right.

841
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: So instead of paying I go back to the corner

842
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: and like Marcus Peters and some of the other free

843
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: agent corners that are out there. Instead of paying those

844
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: guys top dollar corner money, which is fifteen sixteen million,

845
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: you know, JC Jackson level contracts, Jesse Bates is going

846
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: to come in at like eleven or twelve because safety

847
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: isn't deemed as a premium position compared to corner. But

848
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: as you just broke down, and I agree with everything

849
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: you said, the importance of that role in this defense

850
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: is different than other defenses. Post safety in this defense

851
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: is a premium role because you are time and time

852
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: again going to be the last line of defense, and

853
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: you are also the primary help to multiple people on

854
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: the field. And their entire coverage system is predicated on

855
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: funneling outside leverage man coverage corners, funneling receivers into the

856
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: middle of the field help like that's that's their entire

857
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: defensive structure in man whether it's robber or whether it's

858
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: man free. When it's man free, it's even more exacerbated

859
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: on the free safety because they'll play man free and

860
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: then they'll rush five right, they use that five h

861
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: rush package. When you get into that, you have no robber.

862
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: So it's the free safety in the middle of the

863
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: field is literally the only help guy anywhere on the field.

864
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: If your corners are not getting great free safety help,

865
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: then they're screwed. They're screwed because you're just you're you're

866
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: making them cover the whole field one on one. If

867
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: you listen to like Stefan Gilmour talk about this in

868
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: nineteen I thought that he talked about this a ton

869
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: really eloquently. He was able to eliminate routes from his

870
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 1: mind because he knew Devin had a his help, right,

871
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: So he would say from this alignment, I'm not gonna

872
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: worry about a post because I know if he runs

873
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: a post that Devin's going to be there. So what

874
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: all I'm gonna do is I'm gonna sit on a

875
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: vertical and I'm gonna sit on something underneath, right, and

876
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play trail and I'm gonna be underneath the receiver.

877
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: And that's if you watch, like his interceptions from that season,

878
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: half of them are in underneath trail technique because he

879
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: just knows that Devin is over the top and he

880
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: knows he's not gonna get beat vertically because of that.

881
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: So that role is just extremely vital to everything that

882
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: they do. And if Devin does retire, I would love

883
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: to see them back up the brings for Jesse Bates.

884
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: So I think that he's the perfect transition. And I

885
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: look at Cincinnati. We're probably gonna talk about te Higgins,

886
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: sorry Trags, but they don't got deep pockets in Cincinnati,

887
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: and that roster is loaded. So now we're getting to

888
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: the point where some of those guys are coming up

889
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: and they can't afford to keep everybody because they're gonna

890
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: have to pay Joe Burrow fifty. They're gonna have to

891
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: pay Jamar Chase thirty and then you start to think

892
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: about paying some of the other guys, right, So that's

893
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a big thing. All right, Who's did you

894
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: give number four? Yet? No? You what's number four? Corner?

895
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: Specifically big corner, not a slot guy, not five eight,

896
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: five ten. The number I've set is six one or

897
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: taller because I like something. I like the corners they have.

898
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: I do you know Jonathan Jones a free agent. Will

899
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: see what happens with him, Jack Jones five eleven, he's

900
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 1: your tallest corner signed beyond twenty twenty three. Jalen Millson

901
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: during the final year's contract, you're gonna have to go

902
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: through the Bengals all six one and taller. I think

903
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: the Raiders are probably gonna turn things around. That's a

904
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: team with a lot of big receivers. You saw how

905
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: that height tested them this year. The Bills have a

906
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: lot of bigger receivers as good as their guys are

907
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: across the board. Again, I like John Jones, I like

908
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: Jack Jones, I like Marcus Jones five eleven and shorter,

909
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: all of them at a certain point size his size.

910
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones is out there running step for step with

911
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: te Higgins in Week sixteen, but at the end of

912
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: the day, Joe Burrow just throws a jump ball and

913
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: that's all she wrote. It's not that Marcus Jones can

914
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: do about that. And there's a couple of guys that

915
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: could get in free. I think adding a veteran too,

916
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: Like if you can give me, give me like a

917
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: six one six two veteran on a one year deal

918
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: who can be like an older voice in a young room.

919
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: Give them some support on the outside against those bigger teams.

920
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: That's guys like James Bradberry, a guy like rock y'all

921
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: sin right, I love James Bradberry. I think in this draft,

922
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you've dug into Kansas State, Evan.

923
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: They did play Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. Yes, I

924
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: watched that tape, Julius Brent's six foot go ahead, six

925
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: four fluid hips. Yeah, y'all remember how I was into Tree,

926
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: not the same guy, but this is this is a

927
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: similar thing where you just don't find guys built like him. Yeah,

928
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: and I don't know that his technique is perfect, but

929
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: they can coach that, right, you just get that guy

930
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 1: in the building, something good is going to happen. There's

931
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: some other big corners I like in this draft. Eli

932
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: Ricks and Alabama is another one. Right, I might keep going,

933
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: but the one I'm worried about is like what I

934
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: could see them doing. There's a guy Evan I talked

935
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: to you about him off the air named Trey Hodges Tomlinson. Yes,

936
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: he's led Daniel Tomlinson's nephew. He plays it at TCU.

937
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: He was the isn't he just Marcus Jones? He was

938
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: named the I forget the name of the Award. He

939
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: was college Football's Corner of the Year this year. He

940
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: was excellent, Yeah, excellent, played exclusively on the boundary. He's

941
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: five eight. Hey's Marcus Jones, And I'm worried they're gonna

942
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: look at him and say, we just turned Jonathan Jones

943
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: into a boundary corner. We just turned Marcus Jones into

944
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: a boundary corner. I think Trey Hodges Tomlinson is really good.

945
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a fourth round pick because of the size,

946
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 1: third or fourth round pick. I think he's an incredible player.

947
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: Let somebody else do that. They need, like specifically size

948
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: at the position. Yeah, so we're like one off because

949
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: I have I have corner at three. Well, so I

950
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: know why we're one off because I did that thing

951
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: I do where I get weird with the list. But

952
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: god dam it. All right, so I have quarner at

953
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: number three. Can you just be normal one? Can you

954
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: clarify big corner? Yeah, outside corner okay, number three, not

955
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: just outside corner, like outside corner with size this draft,

956
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: I've done a little bit of research so far, Alex,

957
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: you'll be happy. But you haven't come across Julius Brents yet. No,

958
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: but this this draft has size. Oh yeah, yeah, there's

959
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: plenty of size. What do you think of the Georgia kid, right,

960
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: Keely Ringo? Yeah, he's gonna be fist round pick. Right.

961
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: That kid's special. I don't think they're gonna be able

962
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 1: to get him any be a top ten pick. Okay,

963
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: I think when he tests and all of that. The

964
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: other guys should mention here in this have you gotten

965
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 1: a cam Smith? So I know I know his profile,

966
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: but so here's the thing. If I say South Carolina

967
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: boundary corner, there you go. You know exactly it. Cam Smith?

968
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: Is that like he fits Gilmore jc Horn right, like

969
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: next one in line. So what about the Oregon kid,

970
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: because he's going to be a first round pick too.

971
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: I don't know a ton about Christian Gonzalez. Honestly, I

972
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: kind of do the PAC twelve last, um, You know

973
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: how I feel about the PAC twelve. You do? So

974
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: on one hand, they do a lot of zone stuff,

975
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: like they're a team that actually does get into some

976
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: of these more complex zone looks. So like, traditionally I

977
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: look at that guy and say, oh, he's coming from

978
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: his zone system. He's not a fit for the Patriots.

979
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: But if they are going to run more zone and

980
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: he's had some more complex assignments, then it gets interesting.

981
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: There's a lot of corners in the PAC twelve in

982
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: this draft. Yeah, well, so the kid from I keep

983
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: on saying the kid because I don't know their names

984
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: well enough yet. Clark Phillips from Utah and Stanford. So

985
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: Clark Phillips had some assignments on Jackson Smith and Jigba

986
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: in that game that you love. So I actually watched

987
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: him against Jordan Addison past year, and I thought his

988
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: press reps against Jordan Addison were really really He hit

989
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,959
Speaker 1: a good game against Jordan as when Jordan Addison played.

990
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: When he was playing off of Jordan Addison, he had problems,

991
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: But when he was pressed on Jordan Addison, I thought

992
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: he had some really good film there. So let's just

993
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: finish up the first round here. Devin Witherspoon from Illinois.

994
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: It's the only one in this group who's going to

995
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Another big guy, Brett biomaguy, big ten corner,

996
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: and then the I mean the real one that gets

997
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: me is Joey Porter Junior from Penn State. Yeah, because

998
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: you watched Joey Porter junior on defense, you watched Joey

999
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: Porter junior on special teams, you watched Joey Porter junior

1000
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: the way he operates on the sideline. But I'm saying,

1001
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: this guy the weight from the football from this not

1002
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: just loves football, but from the second he steps out

1003
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: there for warm ups, he's ready to go what the

1004
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 1: Patriots want. Yeah, big physical corner, plays in the kicking

1005
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: game as a team leader. But there's the Penn State

1006
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: thing and Joey Porter, j Joey Porter Senior hasn't vocally

1007
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: been the biggest fan of Bill Belichick. That's that's kind

1008
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: of like Asante Samuel Jr. Exactly. So yeah, if if

1009
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: if he wasn't like, that's the guy. If if it's

1010
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: not for that relation, that's the guy. But we'll see

1011
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: what happens. That's the first round. Ringo, Porter Gonzalez, Smith Witherspoon.

1012
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: So I assume that when you see a Georgia corner

1013
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: projected in the top fifteen, that he's probably going too

1014
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: high for the Patriots to get their hands on. Ringo.

1015
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: I assume he'd probably be a top ten guy. But yeah,

1016
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: I liked what I saw out of the Utah corner

1017
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: against Addison. That's what I'm trying to do this year,

1018
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: especially with wide receivers and corners, is watch them against

1019
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: top competition, because sometimes I think you get you get

1020
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: coaxed into watching guys against scrubs and they look like

1021
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: all pro players, but you really how to take the

1022
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 1: film of them against other premier talents. And now that's

1023
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: what I really liked about watching that you Tucket against Addison.

1024
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: Can I give you one more? Then it's kind of

1025
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 1: sleeper if they want to go mid round. DJ Turner

1026
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: from Michigan six two, multi year starter. He's got those

1027
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: playoff reps, he's got those reps against Ohio State, right,

1028
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: so I haven't gone through all of them. He's fair,

1029
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: He's played fairly well in those games. He had some

1030
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: reps on Quinton Johnson National Championship. He looked pretty good.

1031
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get in my hands on the on

1032
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: the National championship game. And don't see what Ringo did

1033
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 1: against Quinton Johnson because obviously he had a decent game

1034
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: because Anton Johnson didn't get the ball. But maybe that

1035
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: was just a protection, right, I don't know if Quinton

1036
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: Johnson was getting open, but he was lined up on

1037
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: Quintin Johnson a good amount. He could start watch them

1038
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: run down the field. Yeah, you know, well I'm interested

1039
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: to see it from both perspectives, right, you know, if

1040
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: maybe it changed my mind about Johnson. Okay, so I'm

1041
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: at number three with the outside corner. So I'm outside corner,

1042
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: free safety, off ball linebacker, your free safety, side corner.

1043
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: What's what's number three? Wide receiver? That big number one.

1044
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: I mean we've talked, we don't need to do it. Literally,

1045
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: just one off, right Hopkins, Jerry Judy, Mike Evans, the

1046
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: guy that And there's a report from Mike Giardi that

1047
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: almost said this word for word that there's people in

1048
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: the building that believe the guy who's going to dictate coverage.

1049
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna other teams are gonna have to double him.

1050
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to shade coverage towards him. Davante Parker

1051
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: can play. Everybody knows how I feel about Kendrick Bourne.

1052
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm incredibly high on him. Those are guys that are

1053
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: gonna win one on one more often than not. You

1054
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: need to guarantee that they are getting one on one

1055
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: coverage assignments more often than not. How do you do that?

1056
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: You go get a number one wide receiver that demands

1057
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: multiplayer coverage, snap in and snap out. You want to

1058
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: really unlock this offense. You want to get them back

1059
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: pushing top five and scoring like they were in twenty

1060
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: twenty one. You go add that guy, so he's that's

1061
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: number two, because you're you have your little trick. I

1062
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: think you know what I did too. I don't know yet,

1063
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: because I talked like this all the time. I'm gonna

1064
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: like it number number two on my list or number

1065
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: three on my list. Excuse me, the two I don't

1066
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: remember too. Jesus, You're you're killing me with your list

1067
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: over there. Number two on my list is wide receiver.

1068
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: I just think you said it perfectly about if you're

1069
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: really trying to make it work with Mac Jones, then

1070
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: you gotta get him a guy like And I just

1071
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 1: look at the landscape at the AFC, and I look

1072
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: at the this the whole league. The Chiefs have Kelsey,

1073
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: the Bills have Digs, the Bengals have Chase. You go

1074
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 1: to the other side, The Eagles have a j Brown,

1075
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: The Niners have Debot and George Kittle and CMC and

1076
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: every single other freaking number one receiver under the sun. Right,

1077
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: this is the league now. And I think that there

1078
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: was some merit once upon a time to them not

1079
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: wanting to overpay or overdraft that position, right, I think

1080
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: there was some merit to it, especially early on in

1081
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: the Patriots years when teams like the Lions were busting

1082
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: out on receivers in the top ten left and right,

1083
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 1: like there was some truth to it. But nowadays, if

1084
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: you don't have that guy, then you're not going to

1085
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. I just don't think you can

1086
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl with that one. And you look

1087
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: at sort of the last three or four just matchups

1088
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, not even the just the winner

1089
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, last year it's it's Cooper Cup and Jamar Chase, right, like,

1090
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: they each had a guy on their roster. That's the

1091
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: league now. And the Patriots don't have a guy. They

1092
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: don't have a guy that Patriots the last team to

1093
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: make the Super Bowl without one of those guys. And

1094
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: they had Gronk and they and Edelman who won Super

1095
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: Bowl MVP. Yeah, ok so I don't even know if

1096
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: they didn't have it right, You're right, I take that back.

1097
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: So I look at the Patriots offense right now, and

1098
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: what I see is an offense that when defensive coaches, okay,

1099
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: we're onto the Patriots. It's it's Tuesday, right, we're game planning,

1100
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: game plan meeting. Who on the Patriots passing offense are

1101
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: you saying, oh, we gotta take that guy out. We

1102
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: got a roll coverage on not even that, not even

1103
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: we have to how are we? Yeah, we need to.

1104
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: We can't do just what we do. We need to

1105
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: do something different. We need to create a whole new

1106
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: scheme to take that guy away. We got a roll coverage,

1107
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 1: we gotta one double right, right, whatever it is. And

1108
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: I think the problem is is that on top of

1109
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: the fact that the Patriots just don't have that guy

1110
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: in the Tuesday meeting that anybody cares about. When they

1111
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: get into the Tuesday meeting, they say, well, they don't

1112
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: really have that guy, but like Jacobe Myers, like is

1113
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: that guy right? Like they're trying to make Jacobe Meyers

1114
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: that guy. So now all of a sudden, on third down,

1115
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: Jacobe Myers is getting double blanketed yet, right, and then

1116
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: Matt now Matt Jones is going to somebody else and

1117
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 1: Jacoby is even out of it. So Jacoby's punching above

1118
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: his weight because he's not that guy, right, And now

1119
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: the Patriots are The whole thing is just thrown up.

1120
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: They do not have a Tuesday player. That's Michael lombardism right,

1121
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: a Tuesday player like who's the guy that you circle

1122
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: on the roster. They don't have a Tuesday player on offense,

1123
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: and it's not the quarterback right now. So they don't

1124
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: have a Tuesday player period. If they don't have that,

1125
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't think that you're ever going to be an

1126
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: elite offense. I don't care if Bill Brian's your coach,

1127
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: if Sean mcvagh is your coach, if Kyle Shanahan's your coach, whoever,

1128
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: you're just not going to get there as an offense.

1129
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: So enough thinking around with it. Like we've gone year

1130
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: after year after year really since eighteen when and Edelman

1131
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: started to slow down or Bronk retired. Right, we've been

1132
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: going five years running on this. There's something that Macro said,

1133
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: and if we get a chance to talk to Macro,

1134
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: hopefully we will maybe when we're going our big show announcement,

1135
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: we'll get a chance to talk to Macro. He said

1136
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: last year. He agreed with that press And the most

1137
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: important thing that I think that he said and that

1138
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: and his answer to that question was that you can't

1139
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: sit back and wait for the guy anymore, right, like

1140
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: you if you got to go get him right And

1141
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: they I know it was a small trade up, but

1142
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: they did end up trading up from fifty four to

1143
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: fifty to get Taekwon Thorton last year in the second round.

1144
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: I think Macro recognizes it, and I think that he

1145
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: sees it would be worth it to us to trade

1146
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: a premium asset for DeAndre Hopkins or Jerry Judy or

1147
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: Te Higgins or whoever it may be. The one guy

1148
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: in the draft though at fourteen. And I know you

1149
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: always make fun of me for this because I get

1150
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: attached to guys I watch him. You have a little recency.

1151
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: Buys get recency. And his favorite player in the draft

1152
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: is whatever player he watched most recently. Okay, with that

1153
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: being said, Jackson Smith and Jigba can play. Yeah, he's incredible.

1154
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: He's really really good. And the reason why I like

1155
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: him so much is he's He's like if Julian Edelman

1156
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: was a first round prospect, right Like, He's got that

1157
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: slot shiftiness, He's always in the right place. He's durable,

1158
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: he's dependable, he's all those types of things. And I

1159
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: don't want to hear about the hamstring and this he

1160
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: sat out this year because he didn't eat to play, Okay,

1161
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: and they like, I understand that something that rubs some

1162
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: people the wrong way, But to me, I feel like

1163
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: that's part of the problem with the Patriots draft strategy

1164
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: sometimes is that they shy away from guys like JSN

1165
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: who don't play because they don't have to because they

1166
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: want the gamer, right like they want the lunch pale guy,

1167
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: they want the Jim Rat. Sometimes you just gotta take

1168
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: the best player, right, he just gotta take the best talent. Well.

1169
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: I like so much about him though, is that he's

1170
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: a middle of the field player. He's not the boundary

1171
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: guy where you have a quarterback that isn't toolsy, that

1172
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: isn't a physical freak, and now you're asking him to

1173
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: throw sixty yard bombs because that's what your number one

1174
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: guy is good at. Right, He's Mac Jones is Binkie

1175
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: and a half, and Dante's Karnecki has talked about this

1176
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: every single time Dante gets in front of a mic.

1177
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: He always says, the thing that the Patriots need isn't

1178
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: the stud outside receiver. They need Wes Welker, right, they

1179
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: need Julian Edelman. They need the guys that stirs the drink,

1180
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jig but stirs the drake. Like, that's

1181
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: the guy that's gonna catch a hundred twenty five balls

1182
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: out of the slot for the Patriots. I just love

1183
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: that guy. At fourteen. If the veteran market doesn't break,

1184
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: I still am number one trade right, Like I want

1185
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: to trade for one. So you're team Jerry Judy. Then,

1186
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: in terms of that market, I'm coming around to more

1187
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: Judy because he'd be closer to what you just described,

1188
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: like he runs out of the slot as much as

1189
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: he runs off. Yeah, I just worry about like I

1190
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: don't want them to basically like Tee Higgins to me

1191
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: is just like better DeVante Parker. And I just don't

1192
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: know if that guy is really what would make Mac

1193
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: the best. I think the efficient short and intermediate jitterbug receiver,

1194
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: which is what Jackson, Smith and Jaboo is. I think

1195
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: that guy thrives in this offense with Mac Jones, get

1196
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: the ball out of his hands right quickly and have

1197
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: his brain be doing heavy lifting, not his art. And

1198
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: I think that's what Smith and Jingbao can really bring

1199
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: to the table. And I would love it at fourteen

1200
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: if he's there at fourteen. If he runs at the combine,

1201
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: it means he's going to run faster than we all thing.

1202
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: That's the big knock on him, as he doesn't have

1203
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: breakaway game speed. But if he runs at the combine,

1204
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: it means he's gonna run under a four five. And

1205
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: if he runs under a four or five, I don't

1206
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: know if he makes it to fourty or no, we're

1207
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: gonna play this game again. Sure, who's gonna make it.

1208
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis last year, Remember I text you. I was like,

1209
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: I can't wait for Jordan Davis to run under five tonight.

1210
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: He thought I was kidding. Um, he's spectacling. You want

1211
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: a little Patriots adjacent coaching news real quick? Before he finished,

1212
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: the Dolphins have fired Josh Boyer, Steve Gregory, and Steve Ferrens.

1213
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: So so Boyer and Boyer was here as a coach,

1214
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: Gregory was here as a player. Steve Ferens is the

1215
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: brother of James Ferns and the son of Kirk Ferrens.

1216
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: So my guess is that Josh Boyer. I think they

1217
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: already might already have too many chefs in the kitchen,

1218
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: and bringing a guy like Boyer back might add another chef.

1219
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: That's yeah. I don't know that they need any defensive coaches. Yeah,

1220
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: and then I think Brian Flores wherever he lands, could

1221
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: take Josh Boyer with him. But although if they're gonna

1222
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: bring in a new free safety, having Steve Gregory teach

1223
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: that guy, Josh Boyer's downfall is that he blitz is

1224
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: too much. He's so in love with the blitz and

1225
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: it's like all he can do right, and they just

1226
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: didn't have the corners on the outside to be that

1227
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: man heavy. Yeah all right, what's number two on your list?

1228
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: Your tackle? Your rinky dink click tackle tackle? They need it.

1229
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: And this is why I wouldn't take in jigbid fort.

1230
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: We would literally have the same list pretty much if

1231
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: you didn't get one perfect love it. Um. They need

1232
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: a tackle? Yeah, well, not to spoil my number one.

1233
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: They need two tackles. They're going to need two tackles. Goodness,

1234
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: and Isaiah wins contract is up Trent Brown, they save

1235
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: like six million dollars if they more now? Is it

1236
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: more now? Because so I went down this rabbit hole

1237
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: the other day because Pat's cap biguel, he tipped me

1238
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: off to it. Trent Brown hit all of his playing

1239
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: time incentives okay this year because he didn't get hurt

1240
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: like he normally does. Right, So those all hit the

1241
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: cap in twenty twenty three. So I believe that Trent

1242
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: Brown's contract is now eleven and a half million dollar

1243
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: hit in twenty twenty three, and that all comes off

1244
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: the book if they caught him like all of it. Besides,

1245
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: like the the down payments about, they're gonna need two tackles.

1246
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: They can go out trade for wide receiver position they

1247
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: traditionally haven't developed. They developed tackles. Well, it's a good

1248
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: tackle class in free agency and in the draft. Yeah,

1249
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: quarterback can't do anything if he's on his asshole game

1250
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: right tackle tackle, tackle, Yeah, it is my second biggest need.

1251
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: You can ask me number one in it, but I

1252
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: have tackle is number two on my list. Number one

1253
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: on my list is tackle. Okay, I almost put receiver

1254
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: ahead of it. This is the old age old argument, right,

1255
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: like protection or the receiver. The Bengals went receiver, and

1256
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: they it's worked out for them. But I think that

1257
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: Burrow makes it work out. Right. The fact that Burrow

1258
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: is so inflappable under pressure, I think it makes it

1259
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Speaker 1: work out. So that's why Burrow works for him. I

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01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: think other teams might have misstepped there and probably should

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01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,959
Speaker 1: have got like Miami for instance, they went waddle, right,

1262
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: they got the receiver too, and now to us in

1263
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: concussion protocol for the third time. Right, the Chiefs early

1264
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: on too, I would say, I mean they fixed it since,

1265
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: but the Chiefs early on you. So I think with

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01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: the type of quarterback that you have with his numbers

1267
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: this year, under pressure being as terrible as they were.

1268
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: They need to go out and they need to get

1269
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: not not just I'm with you on the volume. Yeah,

1270
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: but I want like Matt light right, like I want

1271
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: the left tackle that's going to be the left tackle

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01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: for the next ten years on this team, and that

1273
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: I think is going to have to be the fourteenth

1274
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: overall pick. So Broderick Jones, Pierre Paris Johnson from Ohio

1275
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: State and uh or whatever, Skawanski and I'm telling you

1276
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: right now, Evan, I think Dwan Jones gets his name

1277
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: into the first round conversation. Now, he's a right tack, well,

1278
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: he can play both, he's primarily a right tackle. But

1279
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: we'll get to number one on my list in a second.

1280
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: There's a way that works. Yeah. So out of what

1281
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: I've seen and I haven't I started with receivers because

1282
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: they're the most fun, what everybody wants, it's the most fun.

1283
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: But even watch Ohio State. From what I see, I

1284
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: like Roderick Jones the best lots alike, right, And I

1285
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: think the biggest reason why I like him the best

1286
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: is because his his athleticism and his range I think

1287
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: is the best. You've seen those plays where he pulls

1288
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: out when they run the ball and he goes out

1289
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: to the Edgy Smokes corner. Yeah, that's fun, right, And

1290
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: I think that type of athleticism in an offense where

1291
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: a lot of your yards are going to be based

1292
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: off a yak, right, and you're talking about screens, you're

1293
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: talking about RPO game, you're talking about that type of stuff.

1294
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: I think that that athleticism would really help. And he's

1295
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: just a monster. He's like six six something six six

1296
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: five three fifteen. So here's the kicker though, with those

1297
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: types of guys, the fourteen's pushing it like, I don't

1298
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: know if he's gonna be there. I think here's the thing,

1299
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: because those types of tackles go top ten, right, like

1300
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: those types of I mean last year was what like

1301
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: cross and those guys they would like one like five,

1302
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: six seven, like right, they were all off the board.

1303
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: But so a bunch of those guys just went I

1304
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: don't I don't think there's a lot of teams around

1305
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: the league necessarily looking for a tackle. Right now, there's

1306
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: four guys, maybe five, A lot of people like Anton

1307
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: Harrison from Oklahoma. I'm not as familiar with him. Yeah,

1308
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: but between they might not get their pick, but one

1309
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: of those four or five guys will be on the

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01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: board at fourteen, and I think there's at least three,

1311
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: potentially five franchise tackles in this draft. So right, like

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01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: you you like Brodrick, I don't know if you watched

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01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,919
Speaker 1: Scarronsky at all a little bit, but I just I'm

1314
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: not using Paris Johnson because I know you have a

1315
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: thing about Ohio state tackles. Yeah, we can give that taken,

1316
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: like you like Roderick Jones, but you can be upset

1317
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: if they end up with Peter Scarronski. Absolutely not. I'm

1318
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: not going to be a guy that's but I potential

1319
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: franchise tackle. I and looking. I'm not saying that they

1320
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: should trade, like, you know, five picks to move up,

1321
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: but like, this is one of those drafts where I

1322
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: think you need to be in the conversation of moving up,

1323
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, from fourteen to ten, right or at fourteen

1324
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: to eleven, I just the leap frog a team that

1325
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: that might be taking your guy. So you want an

1326
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: interesting thing here, I'm looking at the board right now.

1327
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: The guys were talking about this is the board we use. Yeah,

1328
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: they're projected to go eleven twelve thirteen. So if you

1329
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: have to go and move up from fourteen to eleven

1330
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: to get Broderick Jones or to get your guy and

1331
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: make sure you get him, that it's the same thing

1332
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: as moving up from fifty four to fifty to get type.

1333
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: I don't think that, Like I don't. It depends how

1334
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: much they have to give up. The gap between Jones

1335
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: and Scronsky and Johnson isn't so big that you need

1336
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: to sell the farm to get any one of those three.

1337
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: They should be able to make work. Yeah, they should

1338
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: be able to turn into a franchise. Tacks fair. So

1339
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: tackle number one on my list, So I'm tackle, wide receiver, yeah,

1340
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: outside corner, free, safety, linebacker. What's your dumb number one?

1341
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: I'll go five to one, safety corner, wide receiver. Tackle

1342
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: number one is punter. Because now I'm kidding, you're about

1343
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: to shut my micaf shut locked out. No, I was like,

1344
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: how can we mute him right now? Safety, corner, wide receiver,

1345
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: tackle and tackle because I can. Because Evan, I'll tell

1346
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: I did this with corner last year. I did this

1347
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: with corner last year. I'll tell you that's almost as

1348
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: bad as putting punter. Listen, it's not the game. The game.

1349
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: This is the game, because listen to me. If they

1350
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: let's say, let's say free agency started today and they

1351
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: signed Mike McGlinchey Orlando Brown, those are the top two

1352
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: tackles in free agency. If we if they made that

1353
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: signing and then we did the list again, I would

1354
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: still have tackle number one. That's fair. So that's why

1355
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: it's one and two because even if they add a tackle,

1356
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: tackle is still the biggest need on the list. Once

1357
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,879
Speaker 1: they add that second, then we get into the other positions.

1358
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: But and that's why I said, you know, maybe they

1359
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: really like Orlando Brown. If you're gonna tell me that

1360
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna sign Orlando Brown and draft Dwan Jones and

1361
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: Brown's playing on the left side and Jones planning on

1362
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: the right side, Yeah okay, that works, Yeah, that works.

1363
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: You know, I think that's as good of a plan

1364
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: as um like, uh, mcglinchey's the top right tackle, right right,

1365
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: that's as good of a plan as if they go

1366
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: scronts in McGlinchey. Yeah right. So there's ways they can

1367
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: mix and match it, which is even more reason why

1368
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: I think they don't necessarily need to push to move

1369
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: up but draft one, sign one, it's gonna be. That's

1370
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 1: one of these catch phrases of the off season for

1371
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: this show. What do you think they're gonna call? And

1372
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: people are gonna call in what do you want them

1373
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: to a tackle? Draft one, sign one? People are gonna

1374
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 1: email in what do you want to do? A tackle?

1375
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: Draft one, sign one, Draft one sign one d OsO

1376
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: Dso that's the model for the off season. I like,

1377
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 1: so I like the MCTA with the left tackle in

1378
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: the draft. I do, okay because mcglinchey's your right tackle,

1379
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: right and plug and play at right tackle, and then

1380
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: you get the left tackle who has maybe a little

1381
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 1: bit of a higher ceiling in the draft, and you

1382
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: go that direction. But I'm just saying, like if they

1383
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: walked away with Orlando yeah, every Lando Brown and Duan Jones,

1384
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: it's not like, oh my god, what are they doing?

1385
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: They're screwing. Like I'm like, all right, you have an

1386
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: offensive line. I just think Orlando Brown worries me because

1387
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: of the weight that once you pay is he Trent Brown?

1388
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: Like once you pay a guy like that Andre Dillard

1389
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: And I've concerns about him too. But my point being

1390
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: like I just like McGlinchey, I think he's some player

1391
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: than Francisco. I think in San Francisco he was fine.

1392
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: But I really think that he's been miscasting that system

1393
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: because he's a six foot eight, three hundred and thirty

1394
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: pound right tackle that they're trying to get to run

1395
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: outside zone, true, right, and so like, if you get

1396
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: that guy McGlinchey I'm talking about, and you put him

1397
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: next to on WHENU and you run gap to that,

1398
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: so you're gonna run for twelve yards of care, right,

1399
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: Like that's that's just a But at the same time,

1400
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: I would say, what's what's one win? Who's six two

1401
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: three sixty five three? Yeah? They listened at like three

1402
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: forty a right, Duwan Jones is sixty eight three sixty

1403
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, it's you put those two guys next

1404
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: to each other. You're going to run. You can run

1405
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: that debt debt QB power with net Jones. You're gonna

1406
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: run forever behind those two. Okay, So yeah, we're both

1407
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: on the same page with tackle. Got a few more

1408
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,799
Speaker 1: calls and then we'll make the big announcement. All right, Uh, Mason,

1409
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: what's going on? Mason? You're on the air. You there

1410
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: not I know Mason, all right, we can call it

1411
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: back in Mason. And so we got a question the

1412
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: email and then we got one more phone. Not trying

1413
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: to sway from your personnel talk. Yes, thank you, we

1414
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: needed to get that out there. But mentioned today, Hardba

1415
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: mentioned today that Lamar Jackson would be involved in their

1416
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: OC hiring process. Do you think Mac is sitting in

1417
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 1: on the Patriots OC interviews or has some input or

1418
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: anything like that. Do you think Max should have input

1419
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: on the OC? Yes? Okay, yeah, I don't know that

1420
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: he's gonna be sitting in the meetings, but we all

1421
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: know which way he's gonna go, right right, He's gonna

1422
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: want O'Brien. Yeah, so, and you know it, after a

1423
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: rough year, they're gonna hire O'Brien. Anyway, Hey, Mac, who

1424
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: do you want? Just ask him before you know you're

1425
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: gonna make that higher anyway. I have no problem with Mac, Like,

1426
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: let's just say little offseason project for you, Mac, Just

1427
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: make make you make you us a list, like who's

1428
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: your three guys? Right? It doesn't mean that they're going

1429
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: to listen to anything that he says, but it would

1430
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: be nice to know where the quarterbacks heads at. I

1431
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: don't think that he has any sway, and I don't

1432
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: think that he necessarily should, especially after the year that

1433
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: he just had, but I think that he should. Like

1434
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: he's not Lamar Jackson. He's not. He's not right sowhile

1435
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: he's gone, Like is he gonna be in Baltimore for

1436
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: whoever he wants? Harbaugh said today that he's their quarterbacks,

1437
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: so they're trying to full court press it. My guess

1438
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: is that Greg Roman was in Lamar had grown apart

1439
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: and that that marriage was not good, and so they

1440
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 1: moved on from Greg Roman today to Free add Up.

1441
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 1: So maybe they're trying to make that that that happened

1442
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. I like, I want Mac to have a voice.

1443
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: I don't want him to have a say. How about that?

1444
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: Is that? Sure? Yeah? Okay, all right, Mason, you're back.

1445
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: Uh So I'm usually a weapons with a Z guy, admittedly,

1446
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: but I do actually think that we should take a

1447
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: tackle this year in the first round. But I actually

1448
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about a guy in the second round

1449
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: that I think would actually be a steel who is

1450
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: my personal wide receiver one this year, which I know

1451
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: that's gonna make some people say hmm, but can I

1452
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: guess who it is? A dominant to catch point? He's

1453
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a four or four guy easy at six

1454
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 1: to two o five. He's explosive, and my personal ProComp

1455
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: for him is a J. Brown. I think he's gonna

1456
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: be really special. What would you guys think about somebody

1457
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: like that in the second round? If we can get

1458
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: him there? Our board has him mocked to the Patriots

1459
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: at forty six. There you go. So I think that

1460
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: there is very good depth in this receiver class. And

1461
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 1: I know you've been saying this to me for a while.

1462
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: Guys like Zay Flowers, who I think is the who

1463
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: are you thought he was going? That's everybody. Everybody's like,

1464
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: you know, Zay Flowers isn't a projected first round pick,

1465
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: but I think he'd be a steal. If everybody thinks

1466
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers is a steel, He's not a steel. Yeah.

1467
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 1: Josh Downs right from North Carolina, that's my guy. Yeah,

1468
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: I love me some Josh Down. And then I've heard

1469
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: a lot of buzz from from this SMU kid too,

1470
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: So there's some day two guys for sure. Can I

1471
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: give you the real wild card in this group? And

1472
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: I don't know how the Patriots are gonna feel about him.

1473
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: This goes back to your point of I forget exactly

1474
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: what it was when you talk about in jigbud and

1475
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 1: taking the guy that doesn't necessarily you know, the guy

1476
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: who sat out. Yeah. So Kashawn Boutet was the consensus

1477
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: number one receiver in this class for most of the season.

1478
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: He so last year's great twenty twenty one, he's great,

1479
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: struggling in twenty twenty two, but the offense really struggled

1480
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two as a whole, Like it was

1481
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 1: kind of a mess there. He announced he was going

1482
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: back to school. Then a couple days later, this might

1483
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 1: have all been within like a day or two, they

1484
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 1: said he wasn't even though he was going back to school,

1485
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: he wasn't playing in the ball game. They never called

1486
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: it a suspension. Yeah, but the school said he wasn't

1487
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: playing in the ball game. And then he announced he

1488
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: was going to the draft. And there's been some rumors

1489
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: as to what happened in terms of some off field stuff,

1490
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 1: some party related stuff. I don't want to put anything

1491
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: out there that's not confirmed, But now nobody really knows

1492
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: where to put him. His talent wise, like he did

1493
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: at one point look like a wide receiver one in

1494
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: the draft, but you know he had a down year.

1495
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: He's had this this thing. You go back to the

1496
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one draft. The Patriots took a bunch of

1497
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: guys who were really good two years before they were drafted, right,

1498
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: our guys who are coming off injuries or whatever. So

1499
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: they have been into that kind of guy. Do they

1500
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: see Boutet? And this is one of those things where

1501
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: there might be stuff off the field that we just

1502
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, and that he's gonna be sitting there

1503
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: in the fifth round, We're gonna be all like, what's happening? Right?

1504
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 1: But are they going to see him as an untouchable?

1505
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: I could just as easily be convinced that they're going

1506
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 1: to see him as a value pick in the second round.

1507
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 1: It's gonna be really interesting to see how his stock develops. Yeah,

1508
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: So I don't know, have you watched him? I have

1509
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 1: watched him live a little bit, but not not deep

1510
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: into it yet. But I think it's interesting about this

1511
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: class at wide receiver, and I would say to a

1512
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: degree at corner too. Yeah, I think you're gonna hear

1513
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: a lot of it's a deep class, but there's no

1514
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, right Like, it's a deep wide receiver class,

1515
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: but there's no uh, Marvin Harrison's junior. Like that's next year.

1516
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: I told you what my draft strategy would be. Just

1517
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: draft Marvin Harrison junior. Tellbab league to deal with it.

1518
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: That that. I think you're gonna hear a lot of that,

1519
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: But I really think, right yeah, But from what I

1520
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: can't speak on the corners, but from what I've seen

1521
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 1: out of these wide receivers that I've I've studied so far,

1522
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 1: I think that's selling some of these guys a little

1523
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:38,719
Speaker 1: bit short. Like I'm not. I don't think that Jackson

1524
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba and Jordan Addison or Jamar Chase level prospects.

1525
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: But those guys are number one pick, first round pick

1526
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: wide receiver prospects every single year, right like every year.

1527
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's a big difference between Jackson

1528
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba in the tape that you know, Jerry

1529
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: Judy and Ceedee Lamb and those guys put out a

1530
01:16:58,400 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, right like that. I think that

1531
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: that's my point is those guys, I think our first

1532
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 1: round picks in twenty twenty three as if they were

1533
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. So there might not be a Calvin Johnson,

1534
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, Matt Marvin Harrison junior prospect. But the Patriots

1535
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: are are also not picking that high, right, so they

1536
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: don't need that guy. There's a lot of guys you say,

1537
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: I love his game, but yeah, that's basically what it is. Yes,

1538
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: our butts uh argon Argin, Yep, yep, I'm here. Hey,

1539
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: well tell me how you pronounce your name so I know,

1540
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: uh yeah, so you actually pronounced it. H you pronounced

1541
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: my name Argin? Yeah? Cool, awesome? What's up? All right?

1542
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 1: So I'll just get quicked from that point. So, you know,

1543
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: you guys have been talking a lot about you know,

1544
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: our draft class and like our you know signed one,

1545
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: you know draft one. So I've just been like thinking,

1546
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 1: like for me personally, like I hear a lot about

1547
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: these rumors. I know, like this might be outlandish, but

1548
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 1: something like Dylan Ramsey or like someone like Dape. I

1549
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: guess I'll be get a million questions about about that guy,

1550
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: like what do you guys think, like as far as

1551
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 1: like where should be like you know what what you

1552
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 1: guys would give up for him, and like you guys

1553
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: really think they're a trade target and like you know, okay, yeah,

1554
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: perfect question, Argent corner with Jalen Ramsey. So the Rams

1555
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: bill came do I hate that saying with the NFL,

1556
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 1: but quite frankly, that's the truth. Sean mcvay's back, Aaron

1557
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: Donald maybe today he said he's gonna be back. Okay,

1558
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: he clarified that Matthew Stafford back, but who knows what

1559
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: the album? Who knows back on the roster, right, So

1560
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if McVay and Donald are back. I

1561
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: don't think the Rams are in full cell mode yet.

1562
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: I think they had they almost have to just go

1563
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: for it again. Yeah, they don't really have much of

1564
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: a choice. So I'll say this too in terms of Ramsey,

1565
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: he didn't have a great year. Yeah, he's going back

1566
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl last year. I mean he's not

1567
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: looked like that number one corner. I wouldn't give up

1568
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: a ton for him, Yeah, I wouldn't. And with that

1569
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: contract too, Like in this draft class and all of

1570
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 1: it pass, Okay, As DeAndre Hopkins and the Patriots just

1571
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: interviewed Bill O'Brien or this morning. It was Breer Albert

1572
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 1: Brier out of some context. The interview took place this morning.

1573
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: So here's the question that I think everybody's gonna ask

1574
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: with Bill O'Brien is is that I mean you're out

1575
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: on Hopkins because of their Their divorce in Houston was

1576
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: not pretty. Hopkins has been on the record saying that

1577
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: the drama was a little bit overblown, that it's not

1578
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 1: as bad as it really was made out to be

1579
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: in some of the stories that came out about it.

1580
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, Hopkins is gonna

1581
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: have some options and I don't know if he really

1582
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: wants to be married again with Bill O'Brien. With that

1583
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: being said, just take that off the board for a second. Yeah,

1584
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 1: just in terms of pure draft capital, like what are

1585
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: you giving up for DeAndre Hopkins second round pick in

1586
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 1: a future top one fifty. I think that gets it down.

1587
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 1: I'm with you on the second round pick. So here's

1588
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: the thing. His value has been set. He was traded

1589
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: three years ago. That trade I know it was, but

1590
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: this is how teams look at it, and and as

1591
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: bad of a trade as it was, what's happened since

1592
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 1: he caught a peed suspension. Yeah, only one of the

1593
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 1: three seasons he's played over. He's played over ten games,

1594
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: and he crossed the age thirty barrier. So even if

1595
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: even if you say a going off of that trade

1596
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 1: is wrong because it was so lopsided, you're gonna use

1597
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: it as a base one way or the other, and

1598
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 1: then you bring in all those other factors. That was

1599
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 1: a second, a fourth, and whatever was left of David Johnson, Right,

1600
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 1: So does a second and a fourth get it done?

1601
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 1: I think so like a second in a future fourth,

1602
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: and I think they got like a fourth or fifth

1603
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 1: back or something Hawkins straight up for this year's second

1604
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 1: and a twenty twenty four fourth. Yeah, I'll go pick

1605
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: him up from the airport. Yeah, I do that. Yeah,

1606
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 1: I do that as well. Fourteen is totally out of

1607
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 1: the question. Fourteen No, yeah, no, that's that's like if

1608
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,560
Speaker 1: I really have to give it up to get Jerry Judy. No,

1609
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: if it's like fourteen for like Judy and the Broncos second,

1610
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:00,040
Speaker 1: which is gonna be like thirty, Like I'm saying I

1611
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: put it in the conversation, I wouldn't do it straight up, yeah,

1612
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 1: but I would at least discuss that as an option.

1613
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: That's Judy, who's twenty six, right, and it's been healthy

1614
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: and all of that, right, Judy. I think I would

1615
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: talk about it with Higgins. Right. I don't know if

1616
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: I would do it with either, but I would. I would.

1617
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: I would put it if I'm gonna get like a

1618
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: second round pick back and maybe some future picks. Like

1619
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 1: at that point, it's fourteen for Higgins and it's fourteen

1620
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 1: for Judy, and yeah, the Cardinals called and said, all right,

1621
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: we want fourteen for Hopkins. Gonna say, what else are

1622
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: you gonna give me? Right, You're gonna give me whatever

1623
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 1: pick they have ten to eleven. And if you're a Denver,

1624
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 1: not to get too down the rabbit hole here. They

1625
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 1: just gave up everything for Russell Wilson. They need a pick,

1626
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: they need to pick. They need a pick. Yeah, right,

1627
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: so it's it's not a horrible path, all right, Eldred,

1628
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: what's up? Hey? Good, Hey Alegins, name's Alex. That's fine,

1629
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 1: But I would I wouldn't give a fucking for Hopkins.

1630
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: Go to the aage. I've got to give a third

1631
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 1: and a fourth. That's fair because of the age and

1632
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: everything else. I wouldn't give a sucke. I look, I

1633
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: just think that's what it's gonna take to get it done.

1634
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's the best scenario, but okay,

1635
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: that's fair, just fair, take that's fairy. Okay. My question

1636
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 1: is I don't have problem with is I like to

1637
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 1: do offers the guys they're interviewing or whatever. But I'm like,

1638
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm with you Evans. If it ain't. If it ain't O'Brien,

1639
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 1: I don't know about the other guys, I'd be kind

1640
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: of worried about it. And um, I did worry about

1641
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 1: gm on when it comes to the draft and picking,

1642
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: because as this track record, that's what I'd be worried about,

1643
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, unless you listen to somebody else this year,

1644
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: because how last year went, you still got the same

1645
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 1: guy drafted. And I don't like that board. They always

1646
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 1: use this guy the same as that guy. You're you're

1647
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: preaching to the choir on the draft right now, Thanks

1648
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: for the call out, I love you. Uh, it's not

1649
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: the same guy picking. They got Macro now Cole Strange

1650
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: is not a Macro pick, but the rest it feels

1651
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 1: like a lot changed between their first pick and the

1652
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: rest of the pick. I know, I don't necessary. Marcus Jones,

1653
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 1: Jack Jones, Bailey Zappye, you know what do it? That

1654
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:15,560
Speaker 1: all feels to me like though? Is like all the

1655
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 1: like Marcus Jones went to Houston, right, Bailey Zappy goes

1656
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 1: to Western like I need. I'm sorry, I need the

1657
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one draft again. I need Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma

1658
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: like Ohio State, like give me because if you miss

1659
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: on those guys, then I can explain it right like

1660
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:36,679
Speaker 1: I can justify it no matter what, because those guys

1661
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: are name brand, five star, blue chip prospects. When you

1662
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: miss and I'm just saying they necessarily missed, But when

1663
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 1: you get a player who's good but not great, which

1664
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: is what I think Cold Strange is right now, fine,

1665
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: solid guard, but he's not Zach Martin, right. And when

1666
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 1: you get that type of player with this team right now,

1667
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: we're there. It doesn't move the needle. It doesn't move.

1668
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: But here's what i'd say. You know, they wanted speed.

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Speaker 1: Let's use running back as an example. They wanted speed.

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Speaker 1: The fastest forty times for running backs where Pierre Strong

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Speaker 1: was the most at South Dakota State. Yeah, the other

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Speaker 1: there was I remember I did this last year. I

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Speaker 1: don't remember the schools, but of the four top forty times,

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Speaker 1: only one was a Power five school. You know, right,

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Speaker 1: say you didn't have a ton of fast corners last year.

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Speaker 1: Marcus Jones didn't run, but was a guy that was

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Speaker 1: expected to be. But Marcus Jones is because that word out.

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Speaker 1: I think what they were targeting last year they happened

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Speaker 1: to have to go to small schools to get I

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Speaker 1: don't think they targeted small schools. Okay, to get what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, I get what you're saying. I just I

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Speaker 1: go back and I know that. My point of bringing

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Speaker 1: up the eighteen draft is because even though it didn't

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Speaker 1: work out, taking the two Georgia guys at the top

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Speaker 1: was justifiable, right like it made tense. You picked two

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Speaker 1: guys from the Georgia team that went to the National

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01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 1: Championship game, just balled out in the College Football playoff,

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Speaker 1: and it makes sense. Yes, they drafted the wrong Georgia

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01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 1: running back. Yes, Isaiah Win didn't pan out, but to

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Speaker 1: pick in the moment at the time was just a fay.

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Speaker 1: But we both loved Trevor Penning last year. We both

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01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 1: said they took Trevor Penning, that would be that would work,

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Speaker 1: but that was at a premium position. Went to Northern Aisle.

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Speaker 1: At least we're at a premium position now. At least

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01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 1: we've moved from guard putting a lot of qualifiers on

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01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 1: this well. I have two qualifiers premium position from a

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Speaker 1: Power five school. I don't think that should be that hard. Huh.

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Speaker 1: All right, we have to make the show announced because

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Speaker 1: we have to wrap big show announcement. Here we go,

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Speaker 1: drumroll please. Last week we found out that the Patriots

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01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,679
Speaker 1: will be coaching at the East West Shrine Bowl out

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01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. Last year, they drafted four players from

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01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl Taekwon, Thornton, Jack Jones, Pierre Strong, Sam Roberts,

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01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: and they picked up a couple of udfas from the

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01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl as to Eric King and Lebrian Ray catch

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01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,640
Speaker 1: twenty two and myself and Alex are going to the

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Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl. We're gonna be out there with the team

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01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: next week for all three days four days practice. I

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01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 1: think it is four days of practice. We're gonna do

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Speaker 1: live shows from Las Vegas after watching Shrine Bowl practices.

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01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 1: So each day each day and we're gonna talk about prospects.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the coaching staff and what we

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Speaker 1: see because the Patriots other than de Marcus Covington are

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01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 1: all gonna be there as well. So is Covington not

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01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: going because there's only one day of overlap, it's potent

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Speaker 1: he potentially could be conn be there at the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the week. So Cash twenty two goes on the road.

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Speaker 1: Cash twenty two goes to the Shrine Bowl and we'll

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01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: have you completely covered out in Las Vegas. This is

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Speaker 1: our first time traveling together. It's trying to think about

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Speaker 1: this this morning. No, we travel together at our first No, No,

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Speaker 1: I know, but I think this is our first time

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01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: traveling together since twenty nineteen. Yes, So Cash twenty two

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Speaker 1: at the Shrine Bowl, we will see. Well you're here

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Speaker 1: from us, from there, from Las We're doing a show

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Speaker 1: next week. Yeah, we're doing next next week. We'll preview

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Speaker 1: the rosters. All right, until then, signing off, Alex bart

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Speaker 1: Evan Lazar See at the Shrine Bowl. Everybody. Thank you

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