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Speaker 4: December in twenty twenty three. It is now twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Happy last year, everybody. It's been a long time coming
Speaker 4: to finally talk about one of the wildest finishes in
Speaker 4: recent memory for the Dallas Cowboys as they take down
Speaker 4: the Detroit Lions in week seventeen, alongside John Machoda, Nick Harris,
Speaker 4: Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeomans. Wow, I
Speaker 4: feel like it's been forever since we've gotten a chance
Speaker 4: to talk about this on Sunday night or Saturday night.
Speaker 4: Rather you get a whole new start to the year,
Speaker 4: you get a couple days in between.
Speaker 5: But then you look right back at how.
Speaker 4: That game concluded on Saturday night and it's still as
Speaker 4: wild as it was whenever it happened. I mean, the
Speaker 4: scenario at the end, with the two point conversions, the
Speaker 4: penalty markers, the final drive. I mean, there are so
Speaker 4: many talking points with this, but Nick Harris, I'll let
Speaker 4: you start.
Speaker 5: What are your talking points? As the Cowboys get it done?
Speaker 7: Yeah, one of the more wilder wins for sure. I
Speaker 7: think those last two and a half minutes. You know,
Speaker 7: you really you looked at an opportunit unity for Detroit
Speaker 7: to go down the field and win the game when
Speaker 7: it was seventeen thirteen, and it was almost mirrored as
Speaker 7: to what they had to face in Miami a week ago. Obviously,
Speaker 7: they let Miami drive down the field and have that
Speaker 7: game winning field goal. Then Donovan Wilson gets the interception.
Speaker 7: You're like, okay, this team is They're going to seal it.
Speaker 7: Defense got it done. It felt similar to the Chargers
Speaker 7: win from earlier in the season when Stefan Gilmore was
Speaker 7: able to get an interception and kind of seal it there,
Speaker 7: and then they passed on second down and the tripping penalty,
Speaker 7: which you know, we later find out is not a
Speaker 7: tripping penalty, but it gets called and it moves the
Speaker 7: Cowboys out of field goal range and they have to punt,
Speaker 7: and then you're looking at I believe it was what
Speaker 7: a minute forty one that the Detroit Lions had to
Speaker 7: drive down the field and potentially win the game or
Speaker 7: tie it up. But you knew, and I tweeted out
Speaker 7: as the drive was going on, you knew that Dan
Speaker 7: Campbell was going to drive down there and if they scored,
Speaker 7: he was going to go for two. The way he
Speaker 7: had been playing the game all night, going forward on
Speaker 7: fourth downs, the fake punt, he was going to go
Speaker 7: for two in that situation eleven times out of ten,
Speaker 7: and we saw that he at least went for three
Speaker 7: out of three. So yeah, and then that two point
Speaker 7: sequence was definitely wild. I got to credit the defense
Speaker 7: for just being able to, you know, stand in on
Speaker 7: all three of those intent attempts, keep the intensity on
Speaker 7: all three of those attempts, and you know what the
Speaker 7: ineligible eligible receiver reporting. Gosh, I've learned so much on
Speaker 7: that topic in the last three days that I never
Speaker 7: cared to learn before today or these last three days.
Speaker 7: So definitely interesting, but hey, a win is a win,
Speaker 7: and then Philadelphia losing. Everything's in front of this team
Speaker 7: for the first time and this season it feels.
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, wild couple of twenty four hours or so
Speaker 8: whatever it was between those two games.
Speaker 1: But yeah, right before we started doing the show, right here,
Speaker 1: we were just talking about.
Speaker 8: Like Dan Campbell's decision to keep going for it even
Speaker 8: after the penalty is what magnifies everything. If they just
Speaker 8: don't get it, they call the ineligible receiver, you get
Speaker 8: moved back to the seven, you just kick the extra point,
Speaker 8: you go to overtime. And yeah, it's a talking point,
Speaker 8: but it isn't like, well, the whole game was there. Now,
Speaker 8: the whole game was there because you kept going for
Speaker 8: it over and over again on two point conversions, like
Speaker 8: you were some upstart, brand new college football program trying
Speaker 8: to upset Alabama and Tuscaloosa, like you're the Detroit Lions,
Speaker 8: like you're one of the best teams in the NFL.
Speaker 8: Just go to the overtime, you know, Like, I don't
Speaker 8: understand the their thought process on that. But that's not
Speaker 8: the that's not the Cowboys fault. They just needed to
Speaker 8: win the game and they found a way to win
Speaker 8: the game again at home.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing.
Speaker 8: Like we talk about this game, the Seattle game, you
Speaker 8: talk about the blowouts that they've had at home. It
Speaker 8: just continues to magnify how good that this team is
Speaker 8: and how much better their chances are of winning the
Speaker 8: playoffs when they play at home. So the next day
Speaker 8: you're watching that game between the Eagles and the Cardinals
Speaker 8: and you're just like, man, the Cardinals are hanging around
Speaker 8: like the man, that would be crazy.
Speaker 1: They're not going to win this game.
Speaker 8: They're not gonna beat the Eagles, but man, that would
Speaker 8: be wild because then all of a sudden, man, the
Speaker 8: Cowboys have a chance to win the division on their
Speaker 8: own by just by winning in Washington. And now if
Speaker 8: they just beat the Lines, they'd get the two seed. Wow,
Speaker 8: that would be crazy. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 8: the Cardinals pull it off, and you're just like, how
Speaker 8: did this? How did this happen? Like how did everything
Speaker 8: kind of start falling in place? And I think it
Speaker 8: the only thing you can point to is just that
Speaker 8: maybe that Jenks being lifted.
Speaker 4: I knew that was coming, and it felt like it
Speaker 4: was a lead up to it, build it was a
Speaker 4: great moment though, I mean, on a serious note, with
Speaker 4: Jimmy Johnson going in, I mean and the mic drop
Speaker 4: at the end, how about them Cowboys and getting to
Speaker 4: see all the faces of the different players that he
Speaker 4: impacted throughout.
Speaker 5: I mean, we were very close with.
Speaker 4: Nate Newton in the building and seeing him get to
Speaker 4: interact with his former teammates and things like that. Because
Speaker 4: of that honor going upon Jimmy Johnson was a really
Speaker 4: really cool day I've seen.
Speaker 5: I've seen some of those tweets come in.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you have to, and I'm sure Nick has
Speaker 4: as well, where it's like, wow, maybe maybe finally you
Speaker 4: catch a break, you finally catch a team of destiny break,
Speaker 4: and it happens to be of the day that Jimmy
Speaker 4: Johnson goes into the Ring of Honor. But it was
Speaker 4: one of those games that it goes back to Miami,
Speaker 4: it goes back to Philadelphia. One play can help you
Speaker 4: win a game and one play can help you lose
Speaker 4: a game, depending on how it bounces. Dallas lost that
Speaker 4: first Philadelphia game of a couple bounces going against them.
Speaker 4: Dallas lost against Miami because of a couple of bounces
Speaker 4: or a couple of plays going against them.
Speaker 5: Some are their fault, some are not their fault.
Speaker 4: And this was one of those games where it felt
Speaker 4: like it was teetering on the brink of that again,
Speaker 4: and it ended up being that way, and you made
Speaker 4: the plays at the end to get it done. I
Speaker 4: want to go back to something that you said, John
Speaker 4: about the two point conversion scenario. Though you go for it,
Speaker 4: you pull out the best play in your playbook, and
Speaker 4: the man is called as not an eligible receiver, an
Speaker 4: eligible man downfield because seventy checked in, they had one
Speaker 4: guy check in. Sixty eight was the one that caught
Speaker 4: the ball. Taylor Decker was the one that caught the ball.
Speaker 4: At that point, you mentioned that going forward again put
Speaker 4: the game on the line, and that was Dan Campbell's choice.
Speaker 5: Why was that the wrong choice?
Speaker 4: I mean, I know you end up hide in Sight
Speaker 4: twenty twenty, but at that point in the game you're
Speaker 4: looking at it and say, wow, we pulled all the
Speaker 4: stops out and now we're seven yards back.
Speaker 5: Why not just kick the extra point there?
Speaker 8: Because I think to your point, he went in thinking
Speaker 8: we get down there and score, we're going for two,
Speaker 8: which and I get he's probably the most aggressive coach
Speaker 8: this year in those situations. And that's fine, But when
Speaker 8: you get pushed back to the seven, things change when
Speaker 8: you're at When when you're at the two, you're for
Speaker 8: this lion, that Lion's team, for the b At the
Speaker 8: two or three yard line, the running games completely in
Speaker 8: play with how good they're. They're not running it from
Speaker 8: the seven yard line, so you know they're gonna throw.
Speaker 8: So really, if you watch the way that this team's played,
Speaker 8: especially down in the red zone like that, you're really
Speaker 8: trying to take away Sam Laporta and make them do
Speaker 8: something else, like on the last try they threw it
Speaker 8: to a backup tight end or they threw to an
Speaker 8: offensive tackle, like they don't they're not that great down
Speaker 8: there in that situation. I mean, it's really let's focus
Speaker 8: on Laporta and you can take everything. When you just
Speaker 8: got moved back like that, that's just when you're like, hey,
Speaker 8: it didn't work out, that sucks. You kick the extra point,
Speaker 8: you go to overtime, you take your chances there. I
Speaker 8: just think he was just too aggressive there, you know,
Speaker 8: and it's part of their identity and that's fine, and hey,
Speaker 8: there's a good chance that these two teams played each
Speaker 8: other again at at and T Stadium in a few weeks,
Speaker 8: and who knows, maybe maybe things are it's closed, maybe
Speaker 8: not whatever, But to your point, it just seems like
Speaker 8: on the road Cowboys have just come up just a
Speaker 8: little bit short in those games, but at home they've
Speaker 8: found a way to pull those out.
Speaker 1: And the fact that you would be.
Speaker 8: Able to get to host two playoff games potentially before
Speaker 8: you'd even have to play San Francisco at San Francisco,
Speaker 8: somebody else could beat San Francisco and you could end
Speaker 8: up hosting all three playoff games.
Speaker 1: For I think it's a big deal. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 8: Any year i've covered this team, if you told me
Speaker 8: that they could have got the one seater or two seat,
Speaker 8: I'm like, man, that's huge, whatever. But specifically this year,
Speaker 8: because of the way that they've played at home, that
Speaker 8: just it means so much more.
Speaker 7: It'd be hilarious if it's a Detroit Dallas divisional game
Speaker 7: considering how long it's been since either of those teams
Speaker 7: have made a conference championship, one of those drouts would
Speaker 7: have to end at the end of that night, and obviously,
Speaker 7: given what happened this last Saturday too, So it would
Speaker 7: be a fun match.
Speaker 1: In ninety five for the Cowboys and anyone for the Lions.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be wild to see those two go
Speaker 4: at it. The play where he was called ineligible, and
Speaker 4: that's kind of been the talking point. Nick, What was
Speaker 4: going through your head whenever that happened?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 7: Nothing, My brain was mush. I was just like okay,
Speaker 7: I tweeted out. I was like, rolls man, don't ask
Speaker 7: me like that was. That was kind of how I
Speaker 7: felt about it. I talked to a good friend of ours,
Speaker 7: Kyle Yeoman's guy Fraser, after the game, because he's he's
Speaker 7: an officiating nerd, and so I kind of picked his
Speaker 7: brain on this whole situation. And from his perspective, even
Speaker 7: if Taylor Decker had reported correctly and they had had
Speaker 7: that situation figured out correctly, it still would have been
Speaker 7: in a legal formation as far as like too many
Speaker 7: guys on the line, guys covered up. That's a lot
Speaker 7: of stuff I don't understand, but that's what that's what
Speaker 7: was communicated to me. From my perspective, what I think
Speaker 7: happened there was the Lions were trying to confuse the
Speaker 7: Cowboys by having three guys go up to the white
Speaker 7: hat and only one of them report, and they were
Speaker 7: trying to confuse the Dallas defensive line. I think in
Speaker 7: doing that, they confused the officiator and the officials, and
Speaker 7: it just confused everybody in the building. And whenever they
Speaker 7: said over the loud speakers that seventy had reported, that
Speaker 7: should have been Dan Campbell's opportunity to be able to
Speaker 7: step and be like, whoa wait, it's supposed to.
Speaker 1: Be sixty eight, that's not the play.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's not the play, or or whatever somebody people
Speaker 7: were saying he should have called the time out there.
Speaker 7: He didn't have any timeouts, but still I think there's
Speaker 7: something that could have been could have been done if
Speaker 7: it was an officiating mistake. And I knew whenever the
Speaker 7: Taylor Decker caught it. I was like, he wasn't the
Speaker 7: one that reported. This is this can't be this can't
Speaker 7: be right. And I didn't see a flag and I
Speaker 7: was like, well, wow, okay, so that's going to stand.
Speaker 7: And then I see the flag him in super late
Speaker 7: and I was like, oh, that must be unsportsmanlike or
Speaker 7: something like celebration and figured out that they put two
Speaker 7: and two together and got the illegal touch.
Speaker 8: And that's what adds to it. It's the delay on
Speaker 8: the flag. As soon as that ball hits his hand,
Speaker 8: the flag goes up. It takes a lot of this away.
Speaker 8: But when you have that crew that obviously, since that
Speaker 8: game has ended, people have dug up how many other
Speaker 8: games that they've been on. It's it hasn't been great.
Speaker 8: There's other calls in that game were not great. So
Speaker 8: when you do that, you're gonna you leave this window
Speaker 8: open for everyone the second guess what went on if
Speaker 8: you throw it immediately like no, we know that that
Speaker 8: guy's ineligible. It's like they let them celebrate. One of
Speaker 8: the things I will always remember, maybe the thing I'll
Speaker 8: remember most from that game is just because there were
Speaker 8: so many Lions fans.
Speaker 1: There is that in a fifteen seconds ten seconds.
Speaker 8: Like just to see the difference in fan bases completely
Speaker 8: lose their minds and then they stop, and then the
Speaker 8: other fan base completely loses their minds because the flag
Speaker 8: comes out and they're like this an eligible receiver. Like
Speaker 8: where you couldn't even hear the officials talking because you know,
Speaker 8: the Cowboys fans got so loud because they knew exactly
Speaker 8: what that was, because let's be honest, I would say
Speaker 8: most people that know football that were watching that game
Speaker 8: in attendance are on TV, thought for sure when that happened, well,
Speaker 8: they're just going to kick the extra point. Now, I
Speaker 8: don't think most people thought that, Oh they're back at
Speaker 8: the seven the other try. So I know, is there
Speaker 8: another penalty? Maybe fifteen more yards you guys right again?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: So I was down there obviously shooting, and the first
Speaker 10: flag I saw came from the down judge from our sideline.
Speaker 5: From the Dallas sideline, the Dallas sideline.
Speaker 10: That was because that was the sideline that it was
Speaker 10: a legal formation, So that came right away. Now, it
Speaker 10: was in the it was kind of in the bunch
Speaker 10: of it because she threw it in there into like
Speaker 10: where all the linemen were. So that's the first one
Speaker 10: I saw. And then the back judge who was back
Speaker 10: at the back of the end zone went up to
Speaker 10: the referee and asked him, like you could see what
Speaker 10: number did you say? And then he's like seventy. They
Speaker 10: looked He's like, well that was sixty eight, and then
Speaker 10: he threw his flag down.
Speaker 5: So that's the two flags I saw. No, that's really good.
Speaker 5: I mean we were all there, we weren't on the field,
Speaker 5: so Beemer.
Speaker 4: Was right there, got a good, good look at it.
Speaker 4: I think the part of it, too, is this was
Speaker 4: a build up. There was a build up to that
Speaker 4: play because throughout the game they were reporting lineman eligible,
Speaker 4: and seventy was the lineman that they were reporting eligible
Speaker 4: all day long. Taylor Decker was the guy who they
Speaker 4: continued on the loudspeaker. We were sitting in the press box,
Speaker 4: You're you're kind of doing your thing, but you heard
Speaker 4: everyone in a while.
Speaker 5: You do never really think much of it.
Speaker 4: But I remember sitting there a couple of times and thinking, Okay,
Speaker 4: seventy is eligible. Let me just watch and see what
Speaker 4: happens here. Nothing would happen. And then it got to
Speaker 4: the point where, like you said, Detroit was trying to
Speaker 4: confuse things and the official probably looked back saw seventy
Speaker 4: in the.
Speaker 5: Huddle and was like, yeah, you know, what's seventy there?
Speaker 5: You go like, that's who's eligible. And then it turned
Speaker 5: into a downfield there.
Speaker 4: Yes, there were bad calls both ways. It wasn't just
Speaker 4: this call. It was the tripping call on the Dallas drive.
Speaker 4: The tripping calls before, cause it was incredibly a terrible call.
Speaker 8: I'll put it up against whatever you want to put
Speaker 8: it against. Yes, when you watch the replay of that,
Speaker 8: it's so not even close to being a tripping at hendershot.
Speaker 8: I just don't think that unless you see something for sure,
Speaker 8: you don't throw a flag.
Speaker 1: You don't.
Speaker 8: It looks like somebody trip let's throw the flight. No,
Speaker 8: you have to definitively know and I'm and I'm of
Speaker 8: a person who believes that you do that on the
Speaker 8: first play the first quarter of week one, much less
Speaker 8: in a big game that could ultimately have impacts on
Speaker 8: who's the two and the three seed in the playoffs. Like,
Speaker 8: you got to see that suffort, and there's no way
Speaker 8: anybody I saw that for sure, There's no way, because
Speaker 8: it's not even close.
Speaker 7: And honestly, looking back on it, this might be a
Speaker 7: hot take, but I don't even throw the flag there
Speaker 7: on Hutchinson, Like he was kind of like pushed out
Speaker 7: and yeah.
Speaker 9: His leg kind of extended. But I believe it was Pallard.
Speaker 7: Pollard was already past those two guys by that point,
Speaker 7: so I don't know it was.
Speaker 9: It was mind boggling to me.
Speaker 5: As well.
Speaker 4: I just I also you think about the the just
Speaker 4: the thought process of tripping in general. I mean, are
Speaker 4: you going to get called for tripping against your own team?
Speaker 4: Is that a penalty flag to trip your own your
Speaker 4: own guys? I mean that's kind of like just common
Speaker 4: sense to a certain extent. I know, you can get
Speaker 4: called for tripping other players. And that's probably what the
Speaker 4: call was, is that she thought or the official thought.
Speaker 4: I forgot who throwed through the flag, but they thought
Speaker 4: that it was Hindershot that tripped Hutchinson, even though Hutchinson
Speaker 4: was the one that tripped Hindershot, and.
Speaker 8: That they saw a leg out and it was cool,
Speaker 8: but you got to know exactly who the leg it
Speaker 8: was before you throw the flag. And if you don't
Speaker 8: know whose leg it was, you just don't throw the flag.
Speaker 8: You let them continue to play. And if you missed
Speaker 8: the call, then you missed the call.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about what happened after that though. It's kind
Speaker 4: of from that penalty forward. That was a fifteen yard
Speaker 4: penalty and forced to the Detroit twenty nine yard line,
Speaker 4: and then it was the two minute warning. Next play
Speaker 4: following the two minute warning, Dak completes a pass to
Speaker 4: Cede Lamb out to the thirty three yard line, eleven
Speaker 4: yards time out from Detroit. That's their second timeout, so
Speaker 4: they've got one more remaining. Next play the deep ball
Speaker 4: to Brandon Cooks on the right sideline incomplete, clock stops
Speaker 4: at one fifty five.
Speaker 5: Were you okay with that call?
Speaker 4: Trying to drive the ball down the field rather than
Speaker 4: hand it off and at least kill another forty seconds
Speaker 4: because Detroit would then have to have their third time
Speaker 4: out burned, and then you would at least there's forty
Speaker 4: seconds more off the clock. You run it down. I
Speaker 4: mean Detroit got it with one forty one left. Instead
Speaker 4: they would get it with around one minute left, maybe
Speaker 4: even less than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I get them trying to take a
Speaker 1: kill shot. I didn't like it at all. I would
Speaker 1: just run the clock.
Speaker 8: And especially again, you're playing at home, you have the
Speaker 8: crowd on your side. You know, defense is playing pretty well.
Speaker 8: It's not like the Lions are moving the ball up
Speaker 8: and down the field.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't like that at all.
Speaker 8: I don't think that anybody involved in that play likes it.
Speaker 4: Looking back on it now, you know, hindsight's twenty twenty,
Speaker 4: but even in the moment.
Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy was asked about it in the post cap
Speaker 7: press conference that play specifically, and he said that they
Speaker 7: wanted to go with the sure thing there, or they
Speaker 7: felt like that was more of a sure thing there
Speaker 7: to try and get the kill shot. That's I was
Speaker 7: thinking back. I was like, so the running game, not
Speaker 7: the sure thing, Okay, noted.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's something to note too.
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones talked about that a little bit this morning
Speaker 4: as well. When we come back here on Talking Cowboys,
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Speaker 7: Two injuries that we're taking a look at going into
Speaker 7: the week. One with Tyler Smith, the tourist planner fashier
Speaker 7: that was confirmed with more imaging on Sunday. Honestly, it's
Speaker 7: a good thing with those planner fascia injuries. If you
Speaker 7: get a complete tear, then you can heal on those
Speaker 7: a little bit quicker. You can play on those while
Speaker 7: you know, you go through that rehab process. And that's
Speaker 7: kind of the expectation that they that they hope that
Speaker 7: they'll be able to do with Tyler Smith. So you
Speaker 7: would think, Okay, just keep him out this week and
Speaker 7: then you know, prep him for the playoffs. But there
Speaker 7: seems to be a little bit of optimism that if
Speaker 7: he has a good week as far as managing pain,
Speaker 7: that they'll be able to put him on the field
Speaker 7: on Sunday in Washington, and that's not an injury that
Speaker 7: he could further mess up.
Speaker 9: It's done. He has a torn planner fashion.
Speaker 7: He's gonna have to have surgery on that probably in
Speaker 7: the off season, or more rehab on that in the offseason.
Speaker 7: There's nothing that they can do about it right now.
Speaker 7: But the good thing is there's nothing worse he can
Speaker 7: do about it right now, so it's really just about
Speaker 7: managing his pain moving forward. We'll see what that as
Speaker 7: the week goes on. I don't expect him to practice
Speaker 7: on Wednesday. I'd probably expect at the very earliest they
Speaker 7: try to do some things with him on Thursday. That's
Speaker 7: just me theorizing. If he can't go, then it will
Speaker 7: probably be TJ Bass back in at left guard, which
Speaker 7: you know, I asked offense coordinator Brian Schottenheimer yesterday about
Speaker 7: TJ Bass and just his development as the season has
Speaker 7: gone on, and they really like what he's put together.
Speaker 7: They're not treating him like an undrafted rookie by any means.
Speaker 7: And if you think back to when Tyler Smith had
Speaker 7: to miss a couple of games early in the season,
Speaker 7: it was true Meydoga that was plugged in at left guard.
Speaker 9: Now it's TJ.
Speaker 7: Bass, and they're comfortable moving him from right guard to
Speaker 7: left guard and being able to keep that consistency. So honestly,
Speaker 7: I'm completely okay with letting TJ. Bass work at left
Speaker 7: guard against Washington, just in case if you need him
Speaker 7: against anybody in the playoffs and you have a little
Speaker 7: bit of a little bit of experience there from the
Speaker 7: end of the regular season.
Speaker 8: Man, that Schottenheimer answer to your question is one of
Speaker 8: my favorite answers because I just like it when coaches
Speaker 8: give you or players a little bit more behind the
Speaker 8: scenes in the way he used an example of like
Speaker 8: being in one of the offensive meetings and like they'll
Speaker 8: try and put younger guys on the spot, like knowing
Speaker 8: different like in different scenarios, different.
Speaker 1: Offensive calls and stuff like that.
Speaker 8: And Schottenheimer purposely wanted to kind of catch Bass off
Speaker 8: guard and threw out some questions that really he probably
Speaker 8: only would expect like the quarterback to know in these
Speaker 8: certain situations, and I guess TJ just rattled him off
Speaker 8: in like so much detail that like the whole room
Speaker 8: like erupted and started clapping for him because they couldn't
Speaker 8: believe that this guy would know all this stuff. I
Speaker 8: just love when when they I love the behind the
Speaker 8: scenes stuff of things like that, and I understand where
Speaker 8: the coaches and players come from. There's a lot of
Speaker 8: stuff that hey, this is behind the scenes. We're not
Speaker 8: going to share this, we're not supposed to. The one
Speaker 8: that I always talk about is like when we're at
Speaker 8: training camp, anytime there's some type of a scuffle, it's
Speaker 8: like we all start tweeting right away. How many of
Speaker 8: those do you think it happened during the season out
Speaker 8: there when we can't even watch practice, And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 8: it's a Tuesday, you know, Like but yeah, I thought
Speaker 8: that was a great answer to that. The going back
Speaker 8: to Tyler Smith, I will say, I don't know if
Speaker 8: you had this feeling, but man, when he was on
Speaker 8: the ground, the way he like wasn't moving and grabbing
Speaker 8: like the back of his like foot and ankle area.
Speaker 1: It's one of those where just there's a few times.
Speaker 8: Per year where my eyes immediately go to the cart
Speaker 8: to see, like, are the people moving around are they
Speaker 8: about to bring the card over? Because it's like right
Speaker 8: down the line from where we are in the press box,
Speaker 8: and I was like, this looks like because he's not
Speaker 8: putting any weight on. And then when they started helping
Speaker 8: him off, I'm like, yeah, maybe. And then you saw
Speaker 8: him walking around a little bit on the side, and
Speaker 8: I'm like, all right, maybe this isn't you know.
Speaker 1: They said he's questionable, they're not ruling him out. That
Speaker 1: was the call in the press box.
Speaker 8: So to find out that this is what it is,
Speaker 8: that's that's dodging a huge bullet there, you know, because
Speaker 8: that's the thing like I kind of took from McCarthy
Speaker 8: yesterday when he's talking about where the team and stuff
Speaker 8: like that, and always said the number one thing, you
Speaker 8: know going to the playoffs would be health.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the number one thing that you want
Speaker 1: that more than anything.
Speaker 8: And yeah, this team, obviously he'd love to have Trayvon
Speaker 8: Diggs and over shown what we've talked about.
Speaker 1: But this is a pretty healthy team, you know.
Speaker 8: And if yeah, you might have to overcome a little
Speaker 8: bit of a Tyler Smith that being one hundred percent,
Speaker 8: but they're in pretty good shape right now.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't initially happened. I thought it was hamstring just
Speaker 7: yevn what had happened earlier in the season, and it
Speaker 7: kind of looked like he was going at the back
Speaker 7: of his calf.
Speaker 9: For a upper leg.
Speaker 7: But whenever they said over the in orkm that it
Speaker 7: was foot and questionable, it was like, Okay, I think
Speaker 7: they may have dodged a bullet here, like you said.
Speaker 7: Moving forward with injuries, Jonathan Hankins, as we know, he's
Speaker 7: missed the last three games with that ankle injury that
Speaker 7: he suffered against the Eagles back on December tenth, there
Speaker 7: seems to be some optimism that he can not only
Speaker 7: get back on the practice field tomorrow, but play on Sunday.
Speaker 7: They want him back on the field before the playoffs.
Speaker 7: They want to get him back going with reps on
Speaker 7: the field. If you ask me right now, I think
Speaker 7: Hankins goes on Sunday. So there's quite a bit of
Speaker 7: optimism in the building towards to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple of text messages kind of filing in
Speaker 4: back and forth, but they were talking about TJ.
Speaker 5: Bass has a lot of potential things like that. I
Speaker 5: think add to it.
Speaker 4: Not only is he showing on the field, hey, he's
Speaker 4: capable of filling in and doing a really nice job
Speaker 4: but also contributing in the locker room and in the
Speaker 4: team meetings as well.
Speaker 5: That's huge.
Speaker 4: Still, Yeah, lots of questions about what it looks like
Speaker 4: from a Jonathan Hankins standpoint. Jerry Jones sounded pretty optimistic
Speaker 4: about it today as well. He said that that was
Speaker 4: kind of part of the plan is initially it was Detroit,
Speaker 4: but whenever it was in Detroit, it was a chance
Speaker 4: to see him kind of end out the regular season
Speaker 4: maybe on limited snaps against Washington.
Speaker 5: What Jerry said that stuck out.
Speaker 4: To me is he said, all hands on deck. So
Speaker 4: that's kind of the mindset going into this week against Washington.
Speaker 7: Yeah, really quick on Hankins, he had a really good
Speaker 7: workout yesterday. It was an individual and then they hoped
Speaker 7: to get him back on the practice field tomorrow.
Speaker 9: That's kind of the expectation right now. I would expect
Speaker 9: it to be in limited reps.
Speaker 8: Though, and when you just start looking ahead to Sunday, like,
Speaker 8: let's say it see like in the thirties, could be raining,
Speaker 8: a little bit, might be some snow in Maryland for
Speaker 8: that game, and so love that you can kind of
Speaker 8: see it turning into where if you can stop Washington's run,
Speaker 8: then you probably be in pretty good shape. I mean,
Speaker 8: the Cowboys are pretty heavily favored here, but still, like
Speaker 8: after seeing what they did to Washington last year, you know,
Speaker 8: it would make a lot of sense if Hankins can go.
Speaker 8: I think you need them to play in this game,
Speaker 8: just because of everything that's on the line. Such a
Speaker 8: big difference between the Tuesday and the five seed.
Speaker 7: Completely different, especially now you have it in hand right right.
Speaker 4: This this feels like a playoff game. Not maybe not
Speaker 4: because of maybe the team that you're playing. I mean
Speaker 4: it's an NFL team. You can't overlook anybody, but it's
Speaker 4: more so about what's at stake, because it completely feels
Speaker 4: like you're setting yourself up either for success or failure
Speaker 4: one way or the other in the playoffs whenever you
Speaker 4: come down to it. But you win, you're in as
Speaker 4: the two seed in the NFC East Champions.
Speaker 5: All right, it is a talking Tuesday.
Speaker 4: Give us a call eight eight eight eight five five
Speaker 4: two two nine seven. We'll talk to some of the
Speaker 4: fans on the line.
Speaker 5: Nick, what do you what are you making.
Speaker 9: A I think we should not go to the phone line.
Speaker 4: So well, let's go to our first caller. This is
Speaker 4: the uh, the president of Purple, the man who wears
Speaker 4: Washington T shirts far too small for them. Zeus in
Speaker 4: no lud as Isaiah standback on the line.
Speaker 5: What's up, buddy?
Speaker 16: As right?
Speaker 17: What's what's going on?
Speaker 5: Why? Why did you sound so happy?
Speaker 16: Man? You know what, Cole, I woke up this morning,
Speaker 16: you know, uh, you know, I had my black rifle
Speaker 16: confidence this morning. I had my you know, my super
Speaker 16: trust and super food this morning. So I'm just I
Speaker 16: went my drive back from from New Orleans, you know,
Speaker 16: I spent a couple of days there, yeah, over the
Speaker 16: last over the last little bit, and had a late
Speaker 16: night last night. I don't know if you guys saw
Speaker 16: you might have caught the game on TV last night,
Speaker 16: but uh, it was it was a purple rain last night. Hey, Nick,
Speaker 16: how are you doing there?
Speaker 9: What's going on?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 7: That was a hell of a game. I'm jealous that
Speaker 7: you got to see that one. And gosh, I had
Speaker 7: kind of conceded in my mind whenever they were down
Speaker 7: what was at thirteen four minutes left and then they
Speaker 7: had a shot to win it there at the end.
Speaker 7: It kind of felt like the Cowboys Eagles game from
Speaker 7: earlier in the season.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I didn't like it at all. My wife was
Speaker 16: pretty much tired to me because my mccullor commentator had
Speaker 16: came on, I'll probably at the end of the third quarter,
Speaker 16: and I started telling her about time management and how
Speaker 16: to manage the game and with what you know, Washington
Speaker 16: should be doing with the ball and all those days
Speaker 16: she was she was kind of over me. But then
Speaker 16: towards the end of the fourth quarter she understood when
Speaker 16: I was talking about, you know, a quarter before that,
Speaker 16: I was like, yeah, this thirteen point lead is not
Speaker 16: good because as an opposing team, you feel fully confident
Speaker 16: that you could score and get the ball back, and
Speaker 16: all you gotta do is score to win the ball game.
Speaker 16: And they sure enough played out that way. They worked
Speaker 16: their way down there, and luckily, you know, the one
Speaker 16: second I put back on the clock and our guy,
Speaker 16: our quarterback, made a play. But that game was entirely
Speaker 16: too close. They should have easily have been a as
Speaker 16: much of a blowout as it was a close game.
Speaker 16: But you know, it really comes down to game management
Speaker 16: and decisions, just like we just talking about it in
Speaker 16: the Troy Gang. You know, it's just, you know, every
Speaker 16: every decision matters. Man, when you're playing those those highly talented,
Speaker 16: highly competitive games.
Speaker 7: There's just some family in section one oh six as
Speaker 7: sitting right in front of you. That's just hearing you
Speaker 7: in early in the fourth quarter. You know, if Jabar
Speaker 7: Mohammad just plays better to the shell covered behind it,
Speaker 7: that Jordan Whittington doesn't get that reception.
Speaker 16: Hey, next you saying literally, as I'm talking to my wife,
Speaker 16: there's literally somebody behind me in the row behind me,
Speaker 16: and there's like an older lady who's like, it's just
Speaker 16: like sitting down the whole time because there's too much
Speaker 16: going on, and they're both at me and just like
Speaker 16: nodding their head as I'm talking through.
Speaker 4: They probably appreciated the inside honestly. Now, with with you
Speaker 4: being a Washington legend yourself and playing your collegiate ball
Speaker 4: with the Huskies, I mean, how many autographs did you
Speaker 4: sign down in New Orleans throughout the week?
Speaker 5: Did you did you.
Speaker 4: Sign one or two? Or did the whole Smoothie King
Speaker 4: Center and the whole Caesar super Dome hit you up
Speaker 4: for an autograph?
Speaker 16: You know what, a lot of pictures, a lot of
Speaker 16: appreciation from fans. I really appreciate the support. It's crazy
Speaker 16: because you're so far removed in terms of years, but
Speaker 16: you know, a program like ours that is so you
Speaker 16: know from at least from you know from my stand,
Speaker 16: but it's so historic. And I'm a Seattle guy. Man.
Speaker 16: There's a lot of people who remember you and supported you,
Speaker 16: and I just kept telling people thank you for the support,
Speaker 16: and it was it was just awesome to see the whole,
Speaker 16: you know, the whole Seattle really come down there and
Speaker 16: and hold it down in New Orleans because they were
Speaker 16: I'll tell you what them Texas fans. They came through deep.
Speaker 16: There's a lot of dog on burn orange around there,
Speaker 16: So shout out to their fan base for supporting as well.
Speaker 7: I'll tell you, Isaiah, it was a hell of the game.
Speaker 7: I'm happy. I'm happy it went that way. I expected
Speaker 7: that kind of brawl, and I just want to let
Speaker 7: you know I'm joining the Dark Side for the game
Speaker 7: against Michigan.
Speaker 9: Next Fame Go Dogs.
Speaker 1: Let's go Dogs.
Speaker 16: Hey listen, now, I plan on bringing you guys all
Speaker 16: some necklaces or something that you guys. I'm going up
Speaker 16: to that second floor with Bridey Johnson and Deren Eagleton
Speaker 16: I've been hearing a lot of ut stuff over the
Speaker 16: last few weeks. But what it's all good now because
Speaker 16: it does over over over MS all day this week.
Speaker 4: So here's here's the thing, Isaiah, Houston's a lot closer
Speaker 4: than New Orleans. So I expect you to drive down
Speaker 4: after Talking Cowboys next Monday, and then you got to
Speaker 4: be back up here.
Speaker 5: For Talking Cowboys uh.
Speaker 4: On Tuesday, no matter what. So I know you're gonna go.
Speaker 4: I know you're making the trip. But if you're if
Speaker 4: you're making the trip, you gotta be here for both
Speaker 4: Monday and Tuesday shows.
Speaker 16: You know what, I think. I think the game plan
Speaker 16: is definitely from Monday Tuesday.
Speaker 5: I don't know what got win or lose.
Speaker 4: Tuesday is gonna be a tough one, all right, say
Speaker 4: be safe, we'll see you tomorrow.
Speaker 5: There he goes semi final champion Isaiah stand Bay.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 7: If Isaiah still listening, you can stop at this little
Speaker 7: rest stop in Naketish, Louisiana. It's a it's a German
Speaker 7: a rest up. They got like a ton of German
Speaker 7: food in there. It's incredible stuff. You can get like
Speaker 7: a little uh, you know, colas or whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, uh, do you know the name of it.
Speaker 7: I don't know the name of it, but it is
Speaker 7: the spot in that so like if you get off
Speaker 7: and you just ask for the German place, then they'll
Speaker 7: point you in the right direction.
Speaker 1: What is there is? I thought there was like a
Speaker 1: place called like the check stop or something like that that's.
Speaker 7: A west between here and Waco. West comments, I got you, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 7: Actually very cool because they put the COMMA on their
Speaker 7: high school football uniforms because very important that you have
Speaker 7: the comma West Texas, West Texas.
Speaker 8: I was torn watching that game this day though, because
Speaker 8: I was like, I felt for you guys, the Longhorn fans,
Speaker 8: But then also I was like, man, Isaia would be
Speaker 8: so happy. And then and I also factored in with
Speaker 8: which one of these teams got the best chance to
Speaker 8: beat Michigan because I don't want to see Michigan in it,
Speaker 8: and just the way Pennix was playing him, like, well
Speaker 8: he plays like that, and I.
Speaker 1: Don't think anybody can beat them.
Speaker 8: But then there was another part of me where I'm like, well, then,
Speaker 8: who's played like that in multiple games? And I mean,
Speaker 8: I guess you could say Joe Burrow probably did in
Speaker 8: twenty nineteen. But it's just tough to have like multiple
Speaker 8: games like that with everything riding on the line like that.
Speaker 1: But it I mean it should be. It would have
Speaker 1: been huge regardless.
Speaker 8: The one thing I thought would have been wild to
Speaker 8: see is Texas being in Houston to play that game.
Speaker 8: It is how many fans would have been there.
Speaker 4: Well, imagine the brands of Texas and Michigan through playing
Speaker 4: each other in Houston. So it would be a Texas
Speaker 4: advantage for sure.
Speaker 1: But about you, how are you feeling? I was just
Speaker 1: a college football fan.
Speaker 5: I really was.
Speaker 4: I didn't have any rooting interest for the most part.
Speaker 4: I don't have any ties to any.
Speaker 5: Of those schools. But I've always been a huge fan
Speaker 5: of the Rose Bowl just in general. I love the
Speaker 5: Rose Bowl.
Speaker 4: If there was a top five event for me to
Speaker 4: get to call one day, no.
Speaker 5: Doubt the Rose Bowls in that top five. It would
Speaker 5: be up there with a Super.
Speaker 4: Bowl, a World Series Final, four NBA Finals. I don't
Speaker 4: even like it's the Rose Bowls probably two or three
Speaker 4: on that list actually, because it's just one of the
Speaker 4: most incredible venues in sports. But the brands and the teams,
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the best player in college football,
Speaker 4: and if I had a Heisman vote, it would have
Speaker 4: gone to Michael Pennis Pinnix.
Speaker 5: I think he is an incredible player.
Speaker 4: And I tweeted this out last night and I'm sure
Speaker 4: you probably saw it, but a little spoiler alert for
Speaker 4: the draft show. I like Michael PENNOCKX Junior a lot
Speaker 4: more than most draft analysts.
Speaker 5: I think he's incredible. Is he QB one.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna spoil that just yet, but is he's
Speaker 4: up there on the list maybe two or three. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: he's a top three guy for me. But he's he's
Speaker 4: really really good. He's got a little bit.
Speaker 5: Of an arm angled thing that some people are gonna
Speaker 5: point out. That doesn't bother me. He's a baller. He's
Speaker 5: so good.
Speaker 17: Uh.
Speaker 4: But with that being said, we can talk draft after
Speaker 4: the Cowboys win the Super Bowl. So when we come
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Speaker 4: as we break down this Cowboys Lions win twenty to nineteen.
Speaker 4: The first text message I just saw that popped up says,
Speaker 4: is the NFL rigged?
Speaker 9: Yes?
Speaker 1: The answer yes, you got us darn for what reason?
Speaker 9: I don't know every reason, every reason.
Speaker 5: It's like a standalone.
Speaker 4: The text before that says Tyler Smith injuries question mark.
Speaker 8: With all of the friends and family that I have
Speaker 8: that are Detroit Lions fans, it was real easy to
Speaker 8: just fire back what anybody asked me about, Like, man,
Speaker 8: I just think this stuff could be rigged, you know,
Speaker 8: Jerry paint off the you know, any of those type
Speaker 8: of things like that. I'm just like you think maybe
Speaker 8: if that stuff happened, that maybe they put that team
Speaker 8: in the Super Bowl ones Like, what a.
Speaker 1: Script you're running here.
Speaker 8: I mean, honestly, like, if you were going to rig it,
Speaker 8: you'd at least put the Cowboys in the Super Bowl
Speaker 8: once every ten years minimum, just because of how big
Speaker 8: of a deal it would be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the numbers, your numbers makes no sense to me,
Speaker 4: but whatever, this is a really good text message from
Speaker 4: the seven oh three. Can the Cowboys make a deep
Speaker 4: run with the state of this offensive line?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 8: This is the most random thing I saw the other day,
Speaker 8: and it was you know, I'm looking at I'm fascinated
Speaker 8: by the fact that everybody knows that the Cowboys want
Speaker 8: to get the ball to CD Lamb, and they're still
Speaker 8: getting the ball to City Lamb, and it just seems
Speaker 8: like it just gets crazier and crazier. But if you
Speaker 8: look at Brandon Cook's numbers, it is wild. How if
Speaker 8: he has twenty or more receiving yards they have not lost.
Speaker 8: When he has had less than twenty receiving yards, they've
Speaker 8: lost every game. Like it just I do think that
Speaker 8: when you watch this team to year, I just feel
Speaker 8: like Cooks has just continued to get be more and
Speaker 8: more of the offense. And so because of that, if
Speaker 8: they had not had that number one or sorry, number
Speaker 8: two receiver kind of emerge and you're just kind of
Speaker 8: leaning on, like you know, the pass would be like
Speaker 8: Zeke and power in the running game and then maybe
Speaker 8: one wide receiver, I'd feel a little bit differently. But
Speaker 8: I just think that I think there's just more that
Speaker 8: you could even get out of Cooks and they've got
Speaker 8: so far. And I think that outside of Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 8: there's not a wide receiver playing better than Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 8: and you can put him in that same conversation.
Speaker 1: So because of that, that's the only reason why I
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, I still think they can even with
Speaker 1: the offensive line.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's kind of previewing my Naked Knight that I
Speaker 7: have played for tonight. It's deep diving into Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of reasons why this team
Speaker 7: could make a deep run. I think Brandon Cooks is
Speaker 7: one of the most important. But yeah, it plays into
Speaker 7: the offensive line as well. I think this this offensive line,
Speaker 7: it's been able to build some chemistry, build some consistency
Speaker 7: with all five guys up front. In this past game,
Speaker 7: up until Tyler Smith got hurt, you could see a
Speaker 7: little bit of that. I'm fine with these five guys
Speaker 7: going into the playoffs, for sure.
Speaker 9: I don't. I think that's far from the biggest concerns.
Speaker 4: All right, let's go to Champ in the three toho
Speaker 4: eight quick pop quiz.
Speaker 5: Where's the three to eight nick R? You should know this, Nebraska.
Speaker 9: Why would I know that?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I figured it's like some of the random knowledge that
Speaker 4: you would know that.
Speaker 9: That is something I want.
Speaker 5: Champ, what's going on?
Speaker 4: You're on talking Calboys, going guys, what's on your mind?
Speaker 17: Well, I got a statement and a question. I'm a
Speaker 17: long time listener. I love the show. I wish Isaiah
Speaker 17: was there, but I'm sure he's listening.
Speaker 5: I guarantee you.
Speaker 17: So my statement is I'm not going to apologize for
Speaker 17: that penalty being called on Detroit. Ever, none of us should.
Speaker 17: The Cowboys have gotten hosed over the years many times
Speaker 17: on these weird penalties. We go back to the year
Speaker 17: that we got called for twelve minute in the huddle
Speaker 17: in a playoff game when Dak I can't remember if
Speaker 17: Dak or Romo was off to the side. We didn't
Speaker 17: have the twelve minute in the huddle, the Green Bay
Speaker 17: penalty on the line last year the receiver. Nobody made
Speaker 17: a big deal about it, so Kansas City this year.
Speaker 17: So I'm not apologizing for what happened to Detroit. They
Speaker 17: have their opportunities to win the game. They to take them.
Speaker 17: We won the game. My question though, is how did
Speaker 17: you feel after the game? Before Philadelphia lives? I personally
Speaker 17: was a little discouraged. I didn't think the team had
Speaker 17: everything that needed to get to the ultimate goal this year.
Speaker 17: But after that Philadelphia loss, everything changed for me. I
Speaker 17: feel like we have a potential to host two playoff games,
Speaker 17: potentially the NFC Championship or somebody upset San Francisco. What
Speaker 17: where are you at then? After the game and after Philadelphia.
Speaker 4: Lost champ We appreciate the call the time guy, Yeah,
Speaker 4: absolutely appreciate you listening.
Speaker 5: Appreciate the call. Great question. Who wants to start?
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was a great call because it kind of
Speaker 7: played into my thought process as well.
Speaker 9: Coming out of that win.
Speaker 7: You look at it and you're like, Okay, they were
Speaker 7: one two point conversion away from this just being Miami
Speaker 7: all over again. Yeah, you allow a late score, they
Speaker 7: drive down the field. Quick game killed you once again,
Speaker 7: and you lose a game late that you should have won,
Speaker 7: and you kind of look at it and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 7: there's a do w.
Speaker 9: But you're still the five seed.
Speaker 7: You're gonna have to go on the road and probably
Speaker 7: play a Tampa Bay team and then probably a Philadelphia team,
Speaker 7: and there's just not a lot of confidence in that
Speaker 7: three and five on the road. And then I think
Speaker 7: things kind of flipped. It was that yesterday, day before yesterday.
Speaker 7: I don't know what data is anymore. Whenever the Eagles lost,
Speaker 7: because now you're looking at potentially two home playoff games.
Speaker 7: You get to play the seventh seed to open up. Obviously,
Speaker 7: got a handle business this weekend, and then you get
Speaker 7: to avoid Philadelphia and San Francisco in the second round
Speaker 7: most likely if everyone handles business as far as higher
Speaker 7: seeds and stuff go.
Speaker 9: So yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent, Champ.
Speaker 8: I'm just looking at the bigger picture when all that's
Speaker 8: going on, and it's the Okay, So clearly the Ravens
Speaker 8: and the Niners are on a different level if you
Speaker 8: talk about AFC and NFC.
Speaker 1: After that, the Cowboys are right there with everything else.
Speaker 8: And that's now with that, it was more for me
Speaker 8: with seeing Philadelphia lose. It's the losing four of the
Speaker 8: last five when you thought that was gonna be one
Speaker 8: of the teams that would be so tough to go through.
Speaker 8: And then the fact that you go from the five
Speaker 8: to the two, you get to play multiple home games
Speaker 8: potentially because of that. I mean, like I said, the
Speaker 8: only if I was predicting right now like who's got
Speaker 8: or saying like who has the best chance to get
Speaker 8: to the super Bowl, I mean I would put the
Speaker 8: Ravens at one, nine ers at two.
Speaker 1: I put the Cowboys with every other team that's in
Speaker 1: the NFL.
Speaker 8: There's not another team that I would say, oh no, no,
Speaker 8: they got clearly a better chance against super Bowl than
Speaker 8: the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Doo right now.
Speaker 8: And really it's just because of that and the two
Speaker 8: compared to the five, with how these team's played at
Speaker 8: home changes everything. So yes, it does, you know, Yes,
Speaker 8: I get it. There weren't a lot of style points
Speaker 8: and them beating the Lions, but the Lions are This
Speaker 8: isn't like a typical Lions team.
Speaker 1: This is a good football team.
Speaker 8: And so I look at just getting that win, getting
Speaker 8: to eleven wins. As long as you take care of
Speaker 8: business against Washington, that's another three consecutive twelve win seasons.
Speaker 8: You just keep knocking on the door. You get to
Speaker 8: be the two seed. There's just a lot to be
Speaker 8: excited about with that because I just don't take what
Speaker 8: happens in individual games go Okay, well this is a season.
Speaker 1: Now, it's such a week to week league. Just get into.
Speaker 8: There and have the home field, and who knows what happens,
Speaker 8: you know, So I think they're in a great spot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you guys know I do a lot of
Speaker 4: college basketball. It just reminds me of survive in advance. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's exactly what it is is survive in advance. You survived,
Speaker 4: you got to win. And speaking of college basketball, I
Speaker 4: had a great conversation a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 4: this is I promise this does relate because I feel
Speaker 4: like every week I've seen it since we had this conversation.
Speaker 4: Head coach at North Texas name is Ross Hodge. He's
Speaker 4: a big Cowboys fan at the professor. Yeah, he's awesome.
Speaker 4: Love coach Hodge. North Texas had a three game losing
Speaker 4: streak this is a program for college basketball that's been
Speaker 4: really good the last couple of years. Just won the
Speaker 4: n I t In the NCAAA Tournament, they had a
Speaker 4: three game losing streak.
Speaker 5: For the first time in a couple of years. And
Speaker 5: I asked him, I was like.
Speaker 4: What is the mentality, What is the mentality right now?
Speaker 4: Because you haven't been losing, but you have been these
Speaker 4: last three games. And he said, you know what, they
Speaker 4: were all by a combined like.
Speaker 5: Eleven points or something like that. Something weird.
Speaker 4: And he said, no matter what happens, the way you
Speaker 4: got there is still the same. The way you played
Speaker 4: is still the same. The problems are going to remain
Speaker 4: the problems. The strengths are going to remain the strengths.
Speaker 4: The only thing that changes is the way you feel
Speaker 4: about it and your record at the end of the day.
Speaker 4: That's what these last two games have felt like for me.
Speaker 4: For the Dallas Cowboys is the Dolphins, you didn't have
Speaker 4: enough offense, your defense played well enough to win that game,
Speaker 4: but you lost.
Speaker 5: You didn't feel very good about it.
Speaker 4: What happened in the Detroit game, you didn't have enough
Speaker 4: offense and your defense played well enough to win that game,
Speaker 4: but depending on one or two plays going in a
Speaker 4: certain direction. You feel much better about this Detroit game
Speaker 4: than you did about the Dolphins loss. And yes, winning
Speaker 4: and losing there is a difference, but I think it
Speaker 4: was amplified. You already felt pretty good about Hey, you're
Speaker 4: at eleven and five.
Speaker 5: You got to win over a really good team.
Speaker 4: You're able to build a little bit of that confidence
Speaker 4: going into the playoffs, but you didn't necessarily have the
Speaker 4: style points. It's amplified significantly now that you get a
Speaker 4: chance to play at home twice in the postseason. That
Speaker 4: comp letely changes the whole outlook of the entire season
Speaker 4: for the Cowboys if they can continue to win, defeat
Speaker 4: Washington and then take that two seats.
Speaker 1: I'll also say something we haven't talked about.
Speaker 8: We were robbed of something in that Lions Cowboys game,
Speaker 8: and that was if the two point conversion does stand,
Speaker 8: there's still like twenty three seconds. I would have loved
Speaker 8: to see what distance they would have marched Aubrey out
Speaker 8: there to try and get the win. What do you
Speaker 8: pick up two three first time? I mean they're marching
Speaker 8: them out there at seventy Yeah, and you had two right,
Speaker 8: and I just I.
Speaker 5: Mean, you don't mind. I'm okay, I don't really want
Speaker 5: to see that, but it.
Speaker 8: Would have been interesting because you imagine you maybe it's
Speaker 8: a seventy yarder to win that game, even if it's
Speaker 8: like sixty five. Yes, and he wins that, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 10: Apparently Aikman walked up to him pregame and ask him
Speaker 10: what his what his range was, and he said he
Speaker 10: looked him in that and goes about seventy.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know that crazy?
Speaker 5: All right, sory.
Speaker 8: Ten yards behind the start. Just the objects of that
Speaker 8: watching it from the press box.
Speaker 5: Have been what it would have been nuts awesome.
Speaker 4: Real quick, let's go to Mike in New York, our
Speaker 4: final call here on this Talking Tuesday.
Speaker 5: What's up, Big Mic?
Speaker 17: What's going on?
Speaker 3: Guys? You guys know I listen to the show all
Speaker 3: the time, me and my cousin. He lives in Jersey,
Speaker 3: and obviously he's a Diae Caboys fan just like me,
Speaker 3: and we are texting over the game. And you know
Speaker 3: my biggest concern, and you guys know I've said it
Speaker 3: many many times before, I say it again, a clock manager.
Speaker 3: It's got to be better. Come on, because he like,
Speaker 3: come on, what's up with the two minutes and come on,
Speaker 3: let's run the ball. I mean my question is not
Speaker 3: for nothing. Now. Is Tony parr is already? Is Paula alright?
Speaker 3: Is running back? I mean, I mean, I know he's
Speaker 3: not having the best season, but it's like I I mean,
Speaker 3: I'll clock manager.
Speaker 17: It's got to be better.
Speaker 5: Completely agree, Mike appreciate the call.
Speaker 4: I think Mike needs to be immortalized in this show.
Speaker 4: I think we need to clip one of those come ons.
Speaker 4: Come on, like, I just need one of those back there,
Speaker 4: beam Er, just whenever you get a chance. What do
Speaker 4: you guys think about that clock management and then the
Speaker 4: run game?
Speaker 5: I think concerns coming out of that Detroit win.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we've talked about it a little bit already. You
Speaker 7: look at that second down throw on that final drive,
Speaker 7: and you know the comments after about how that was
Speaker 7: more of a sure thing. It's it's wild three straight
Speaker 7: games that this team is not rushed for one hundred yards.
Speaker 7: Credit to Bobby belt on the fan this morning, saying
Speaker 7: that's the first time it's happened since twenty thirteen. Wow,
Speaker 7: there's got to be something to find in the running game,
Speaker 7: Whether it's integrating Rico a little bit more, integrating Douce Fawn,
Speaker 7: integrating Ceedee Lamb. I mean, yeah, whatever you gotta do back. Yeah,
Speaker 7: maybe maybe Hunter Lipkey a little bit. I'm kind of
Speaker 7: standing off my Mike.
Speaker 5: Don't encourage him.
Speaker 7: Look, it was a tough week a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 7: I'm on time out for Hunter Lipkey. But you just
Speaker 7: got to integrate more weapons, I think. I think if
Speaker 7: you can get more guys, more touches.
Speaker 9: Then you find a little bit more multiplicity in the
Speaker 9: run game.
Speaker 8: That's just me, though, I mean, I have concerns about
Speaker 8: the run game, no question. I mean, it's hard to
Speaker 8: predict that they're going to win multiple playoff games without
Speaker 8: Tony Pollard having a big game in one of them.
Speaker 8: But I just don't I just I still think that
Speaker 8: they're just scratching the surface on what they can do
Speaker 8: in that passing game. I don't think that they've met
Speaker 8: that yet with what they can do with Cooks and
Speaker 8: Ceedee Lamb and so, because I think they can overcome
Speaker 8: some things. But it is a concern because I just
Speaker 8: don't see it. I mid season whatever, I was already
Speaker 8: at the point where I'm like I don't see this
Speaker 8: all of a sudden, just I'll just keep giving plug
Speaker 8: and away it'll eventually click. It's kind of been what
Speaker 8: I've thought of the run game all season long, like
Speaker 8: it just isn't It isn't going to be the strength
Speaker 8: that it's been in the past. But you're just gonna
Speaker 8: have to win in different ways. And I mean, don't
Speaker 8: get me wrong, everybody wants, you know, Micah Parsons a
Speaker 8: great run game and a franchise quarterback playing an MVP
Speaker 8: level and a star receiver playing at an elite level
Speaker 8: and all their stuff, but it's like, not no one,
Speaker 8: no one really has that, So you know, you're gonna
Speaker 8: have to find different ways to win games.
Speaker 1: I just think where they're situated, at what they have
Speaker 1: on this team. Yeah it's not perfect, but they have
Speaker 1: enough there to win multiple playoff games.
Speaker 5: And I still think it could happen.
Speaker 4: It's not like it's it's a foregone conclusion that it's
Speaker 4: the running game is going to be dormant throughout the playoffs.
Speaker 4: They have the pieces to have a big game. It
Speaker 4: just hasn't happened yet, which is discouraging. But I don't
Speaker 4: think it's impossible. At the same time, I completely agree.
Speaker 4: Final question before we get out of here is from
Speaker 4: the text line nine to one. Nine says, hey, guys,
Speaker 4: great show. I get home field being a big talking point. However,
Speaker 4: am I the only one that thinks the Round one
Speaker 4: matchup is harder against the Rams or Seahawks than it
Speaker 4: would be against the Bucks. He knows it's at home,
Speaker 4: but still, I think this is a valid question. I
Speaker 4: want to see what you guys are thinking about this.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I actually had kind of a similar thought earlier this week.
Speaker 7: Rams have been playing really good football recently, and the
Speaker 7: Seahawks obviously been playing really well too.
Speaker 5: I think it's the Steelers this week that was like
Speaker 5: the one phenomenally.
Speaker 7: But the Steelers are a good team too. I mean,
Speaker 7: that's a that's a tough team to beat, no matter
Speaker 7: who you are. I think if you're a Cowboys fan,
Speaker 7: you're rooting for Green Bay to be able to take
Speaker 7: that seventh spot this week, which, in order for that
Speaker 7: to happen, you would need the Niners to sit their
Speaker 7: starters against the Rams in the Rams to go ahead
Speaker 7: and win that game and get.
Speaker 9: The six seeds.
Speaker 7: So I think the Packers is probably the best matchup
Speaker 7: that you have there and the way that happens Green
Speaker 7: Bay wins and the Rams win this.
Speaker 8: Week, I would agree with the Packers thing, even though
Speaker 8: I know there's probably little PTSD with Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there definitely is.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is walking through that door, though it's tough.
Speaker 8: I mean, outside of just being able to avoid San Francisco,
Speaker 8: that would be my number one if you're just listing things.
Speaker 8: Number two is just get home field without like I mean,
Speaker 8: I just I've never seen this team play so well
Speaker 8: at home, like in terms of I know, they're not
Speaker 8: blowing out everybody like they were earlier in the season,
Speaker 8: but they're just they're just a way better team. They're
Speaker 8: just more confidence with the way that they play everything
Speaker 8: about it. I would, you know, ten out of ten times,
Speaker 8: I'd pick whatever the home field advantages that round that
Speaker 8: whatever we got to take there, that's what you take.
Speaker 4: And it also plays a factor going into the second round.
Speaker 4: Instead of going on the road against Detroit, we're going
Speaker 4: on the road against somebody else. It completely upends everything else. Yes,
Speaker 4: you got to win the first game first. I completely agree,
Speaker 4: and I think think being at home helps you in
Speaker 4: that regard to I would take it goes back to
Speaker 4: what you said early in the show, and I think
Speaker 4: this was a phenomenal point. Right off the top is
Speaker 4: the fact that any other season playing at home, I
Speaker 4: don't think it's that big of the deal for the
Speaker 4: Cowboys specifically, but this year it matters.
Speaker 5: It absolutely matters.
Speaker 4: And it does change the way I think Cowboys fans
Speaker 4: should look at the playoffs moving forward. And they've got
Speaker 4: a chance to wrap up some early home field advantage
Speaker 4: with a win against Washington on Sunday, Sunday.
Speaker 5: Three twenty five.
Speaker 4: They always wait until the last second to schedule this,
Speaker 4: but Sunday three twenty five is the matchup between the
Speaker 4: Cowboys and the Commanders. We're gonna break down the Cowboys
Speaker 4: defensive matchup tomorrow.
Speaker 5: We may take some more calls as well.
Speaker 4: We didn't get to a ton of them today, But
Speaker 4: I want to see what Cowboys Nation is thinking going
Speaker 4: into this week, because this is a big week, the
Speaker 4: final week of the regular season, and it's playoff time
Speaker 4: in Texas. For Chris Beam, John Machoda, Nick Harris, I'm
Speaker 4: KYLEI im and saying so long from Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 5: The Cowboys beat the Lions twenty to nineteen. We'll see
Speaker 5: you tomorrow.
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