WEBVTT - Talkin’ Cowboys: Win is a Win 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:03.239 The following. 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:05.240 He is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:06.760 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.000 Cowboys. 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:16.520 This He's Talking Cowboys, Straining live from. 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:20.079 The Dallas Cowboys World Course at the Star in Frisco. 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:22.000 Straight Stop. 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:30.120 Six scot Tens Today, touchdown and now your hosts Isaiah Standback, 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:35.080 Nick Harris, John Mashoda and Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:41.280 Hey Beam. It's a victory Tuesday. 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:47.560 Go Dallas Cowboy. 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.440 It's a victory Tuesday here on Talking Cowboys, presented by 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.640 Black Rifle Coffee Company twenty to nineteen. 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:58.880 The final score on. 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.040 December in twenty twenty three. It is now twenty twenty four. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:07.199 Happy last year, everybody. It's been a long time coming 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.880 to finally talk about one of the wildest finishes in 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:13.480 recent memory for the Dallas Cowboys as they take down 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:17.679 the Detroit Lions in week seventeen, alongside John Machoda, Nick Harris, 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:22.240 Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeomans. Wow, I 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.920 feel like it's been forever since we've gotten a chance 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.400 to talk about this on Sunday night or Saturday night. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.679 Rather you get a whole new start to the year, 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.120 you get a couple days in between. 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.240 But then you look right back at how. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.440 That game concluded on Saturday night and it's still as 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.200 wild as it was whenever it happened. I mean, the 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:45.039 scenario at the end, with the two point conversions, the 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.680 penalty markers, the final drive. I mean, there are so 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.800 many talking points with this, but Nick Harris, I'll let 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:50.400 you start. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.080 What are your talking points? As the Cowboys get it done? 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.040 Yeah, one of the more wilder wins for sure. I 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.160 think those last two and a half minutes. You know, 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.240 you really you looked at an opportunit unity for Detroit 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:02.640 to go down the field and win the game when 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.800 it was seventeen thirteen, and it was almost mirrored as 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.320 to what they had to face in Miami a week ago. Obviously, 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.040 they let Miami drive down the field and have that 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.840 game winning field goal. Then Donovan Wilson gets the interception. 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.720 You're like, okay, this team is They're going to seal it. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.360 Defense got it done. It felt similar to the Chargers 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.560 win from earlier in the season when Stefan Gilmore was 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.440 able to get an interception and kind of seal it there, 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:27.079 and then they passed on second down and the tripping penalty, 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:29.000 which you know, we later find out is not a 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.480 tripping penalty, but it gets called and it moves the 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.640 Cowboys out of field goal range and they have to punt, 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:35.600 and then you're looking at I believe it was what 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.720 a minute forty one that the Detroit Lions had to 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.680 drive down the field and potentially win the game or 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.120 tie it up. But you knew, and I tweeted out 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:46.960 as the drive was going on, you knew that Dan 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.720 Campbell was going to drive down there and if they scored, 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:51.560 he was going to go for two. The way he 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.840 had been playing the game all night, going forward on 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.480 fourth downs, the fake punt, he was going to go 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.560 for two in that situation eleven times out of ten, 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.080 and we saw that he at least went for three 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.200 out of three. So yeah, and then that two point 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.120 sequence was definitely wild. I got to credit the defense 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.120 for just being able to, you know, stand in on 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:12.120 all three of those intent attempts, keep the intensity on 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.840 all three of those attempts, and you know what the 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:19.960 ineligible eligible receiver reporting. Gosh, I've learned so much on 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.320 that topic in the last three days that I never 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.240 cared to learn before today or these last three days. 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.000 So definitely interesting, but hey, a win is a win, 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.200 and then Philadelphia losing. Everything's in front of this team 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.320 for the first time and this season it feels. 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.520 Like, yeah, wild couple of twenty four hours or so 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.160 whatever it was between those two games. 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.360 But yeah, right before we started doing the show, right here, 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:41.440 we were just talking about. 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.440 Like Dan Campbell's decision to keep going for it even 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.800 after the penalty is what magnifies everything. If they just 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:51.280 don't get it, they call the ineligible receiver, you get 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.040 moved back to the seven, you just kick the extra point, 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.880 you go to overtime. And yeah, it's a talking point, 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.040 but it isn't like, well, the whole game was there. Now, 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.200 the whole game was there because you kept going for 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.680 it over and over again on two point conversions, like 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:06.560 you were some upstart, brand new college football program trying 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.840 to upset Alabama and Tuscaloosa, like you're the Detroit Lions, 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:11.480 like you're one of the best teams in the NFL. 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.000 Just go to the overtime, you know, Like, I don't 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:18.680 understand the their thought process on that. But that's not 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:20.640 the that's not the Cowboys fault. They just needed to 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.040 win the game and they found a way to win 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:23.159 the game again at home. 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:23.760 And that's the thing. 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.240 Like we talk about this game, the Seattle game, you 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.560 talk about the blowouts that they've had at home. It 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.719 just continues to magnify how good that this team is 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:33.800 and how much better their chances are of winning the 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.160 playoffs when they play at home. So the next day 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.960 you're watching that game between the Eagles and the Cardinals 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:40.760 and you're just like, man, the Cardinals are hanging around 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:42.640 like the man, that would be crazy. 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:43.760 They're not going to win this game. 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.440 They're not gonna beat the Eagles, but man, that would 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.000 be wild because then all of a sudden, man, the 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.280 Cowboys have a chance to win the division on their 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.680 own by just by winning in Washington. And now if 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.320 they just beat the Lines, they'd get the two seed. Wow, 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:55.719 that would be crazy. And then all of a sudden, 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:57.800 the Cardinals pull it off, and you're just like, how 0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:59.920 did this? How did this happen? Like how did everything 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.200 kind of start falling in place? And I think it 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:03.680 the only thing you can point to is just that 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:04.919 maybe that Jenks being lifted. 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.680 I knew that was coming, and it felt like it 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.880 was a lead up to it, build it was a 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.279 great moment though, I mean, on a serious note, with 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.919 Jimmy Johnson going in, I mean and the mic drop 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.200 at the end, how about them Cowboys and getting to 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.359 see all the faces of the different players that he 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:21.599 impacted throughout. 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:22.960 I mean, we were very close with. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.680 Nate Newton in the building and seeing him get to 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.560 interact with his former teammates and things like that. Because 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.599 of that honor going upon Jimmy Johnson was a really 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:33.120 really cool day I've seen. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:34.800 I've seen some of those tweets come in. 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:36.640 I'm sure you have to, and I'm sure Nick has 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.240 as well, where it's like, wow, maybe maybe finally you 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.000 catch a break, you finally catch a team of destiny break, 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:43.839 and it happens to be of the day that Jimmy 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.680 Johnson goes into the Ring of Honor. But it was 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:50.080 one of those games that it goes back to Miami, 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.680 it goes back to Philadelphia. One play can help you 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.240 win a game and one play can help you lose 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:58.880 a game, depending on how it bounces. Dallas lost that 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.839 first Philadelphia game of a couple bounces going against them. 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.720 Dallas lost against Miami because of a couple of bounces 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:06.720 or a couple of plays going against them. 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.360 Some are their fault, some are not their fault. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.000 And this was one of those games where it felt 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:15.359 like it was teetering on the brink of that again, 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.680 and it ended up being that way, and you made 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.000 the plays at the end to get it done. I 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:21.640 want to go back to something that you said, John 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:26.320 about the two point conversion scenario. Though you go for it, 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.920 you pull out the best play in your playbook, and 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.680 the man is called as not an eligible receiver, an 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:38.920 eligible man downfield because seventy checked in, they had one 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.200 guy check in. Sixty eight was the one that caught 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:43.479 the ball. Taylor Decker was the one that caught the ball. 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.920 At that point, you mentioned that going forward again put 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.480 the game on the line, and that was Dan Campbell's choice. 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:52.920 Why was that the wrong choice? 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:54.200 I mean, I know you end up hide in Sight 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.080 twenty twenty, but at that point in the game you're 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:57.960 looking at it and say, wow, we pulled all the 0:06:57.960 --> 0:06:59.520 stops out and now we're seven yards back. 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.039 Why not just kick the extra point there? 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.920 Because I think to your point, he went in thinking 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:06.440 we get down there and score, we're going for two, 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.440 which and I get he's probably the most aggressive coach 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.760 this year in those situations. And that's fine, But when 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.160 you get pushed back to the seven, things change when 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.560 you're at When when you're at the two, you're for 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.440 this lion, that Lion's team, for the b At the 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.600 two or three yard line, the running games completely in 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.960 play with how good they're. They're not running it from 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.240 the seven yard line, so you know they're gonna throw. 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.480 So really, if you watch the way that this team's played, 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.120 especially down in the red zone like that, you're really 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.520 trying to take away Sam Laporta and make them do 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:40.360 something else, like on the last try they threw it 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.200 to a backup tight end or they threw to an 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.600 offensive tackle, like they don't they're not that great down 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.160 there in that situation. I mean, it's really let's focus 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.440 on Laporta and you can take everything. When you just 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.160 got moved back like that, that's just when you're like, hey, 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.560 it didn't work out, that sucks. You kick the extra point, 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.440 you go to overtime, you take your chances there. I 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.480 just think he was just too aggressive there, you know, 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.320 and it's part of their identity and that's fine, and hey, 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.480 there's a good chance that these two teams played each 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.440 other again at at and T Stadium in a few weeks, 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:09.120 and who knows, maybe maybe things are it's closed, maybe 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.640 not whatever, But to your point, it just seems like 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.200 on the road Cowboys have just come up just a 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.640 little bit short in those games, but at home they've 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:17.880 found a way to pull those out. 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:18.760 And the fact that you would be. 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.239 Able to get to host two playoff games potentially before 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.360 you'd even have to play San Francisco at San Francisco, 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.320 somebody else could beat San Francisco and you could end 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.440 up hosting all three playoff games. 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.960 For I think it's a big deal. Don't get me wrong. 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:31.920 Any year i've covered this team, if you told me 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:33.560 that they could have got the one seater or two seat, 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.360 I'm like, man, that's huge, whatever. But specifically this year, 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.480 because of the way that they've played at home, that 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.040 just it means so much more. 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.240 It'd be hilarious if it's a Detroit Dallas divisional game 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.360 considering how long it's been since either of those teams 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.400 have made a conference championship, one of those drouts would 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.079 have to end at the end of that night, and obviously, 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.800 given what happened this last Saturday too, So it would 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:54.600 be a fun match. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:56.439 In ninety five for the Cowboys and anyone for the Lions. 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:57.040 Wow. 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.360 Yeah, that would be wild to see those two go 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:03.439 at it. The play where he was called ineligible, and 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:05.680 that's kind of been the talking point. Nick, What was 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:07.240 going through your head whenever that happened? 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:07.920 Oh? 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.480 Nothing, My brain was mush. I was just like okay, 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.360 I tweeted out. I was like, rolls man, don't ask 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:13.719 me like that was. That was kind of how I 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.800 felt about it. I talked to a good friend of ours, 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.960 Kyle Yeoman's guy Fraser, after the game, because he's he's 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.840 an officiating nerd, and so I kind of picked his 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.160 brain on this whole situation. And from his perspective, even 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:32.560 if Taylor Decker had reported correctly and they had had 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.200 that situation figured out correctly, it still would have been 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.680 in a legal formation as far as like too many 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.199 guys on the line, guys covered up. That's a lot 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.120 of stuff I don't understand, but that's what that's what 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.559 was communicated to me. From my perspective, what I think 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.560 happened there was the Lions were trying to confuse the 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.079 Cowboys by having three guys go up to the white 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:57.240 hat and only one of them report, and they were 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.520 trying to confuse the Dallas defensive line. I think in 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.559 doing that, they confused the officiator and the officials, and 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.040 it just confused everybody in the building. And whenever they 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.800 said over the loud speakers that seventy had reported, that 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.439 should have been Dan Campbell's opportunity to be able to 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.520 step and be like, whoa wait, it's supposed to. 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.000 Be sixty eight, that's not the play. 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.360 Yeah, that's not the play, or or whatever somebody people 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:18.800 were saying he should have called the time out there. 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:20.880 He didn't have any timeouts, but still I think there's 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.079 something that could have been could have been done if 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.520 it was an officiating mistake. And I knew whenever the 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.040 Taylor Decker caught it. I was like, he wasn't the 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.160 one that reported. This is this can't be this can't 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.040 be right. And I didn't see a flag and I 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:33.920 was like, well, wow, okay, so that's going to stand. 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:35.640 And then I see the flag him in super late 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.480 and I was like, oh, that must be unsportsmanlike or 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.640 something like celebration and figured out that they put two 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.880 and two together and got the illegal touch. 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.520 And that's what adds to it. It's the delay on 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.840 the flag. As soon as that ball hits his hand, 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.560 the flag goes up. It takes a lot of this away. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.400 But when you have that crew that obviously, since that 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.480 game has ended, people have dug up how many other 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.840 games that they've been on. It's it hasn't been great. 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:00.920 There's other calls in that game were not great. So 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.760 when you do that, you're gonna you leave this window 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:05.960 open for everyone the second guess what went on if 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.120 you throw it immediately like no, we know that that 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:11.319 guy's ineligible. It's like they let them celebrate. One of 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.160 the things I will always remember, maybe the thing I'll 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.600 remember most from that game is just because there were 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:16.720 so many Lions fans. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:21.240 There is that in a fifteen seconds ten seconds. 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.600 Like just to see the difference in fan bases completely 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.160 lose their minds and then they stop, and then the 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.760 other fan base completely loses their minds because the flag 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.520 comes out and they're like this an eligible receiver. Like 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.520 where you couldn't even hear the officials talking because you know, 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.640 the Cowboys fans got so loud because they knew exactly 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.200 what that was, because let's be honest, I would say 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.640 most people that know football that were watching that game 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.840 in attendance are on TV, thought for sure when that happened, well, 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:45.280 they're just going to kick the extra point. Now, I 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.240 don't think most people thought that, Oh they're back at 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:48.720 the seven the other try. So I know, is there 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.400 another penalty? Maybe fifteen more yards you guys right again? 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:52.640 Yeah. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.480 So I was down there obviously shooting, and the first 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:00.440 flag I saw came from the down judge from our sideline. 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.560 From the Dallas sideline, the Dallas sideline. 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.400 That was because that was the sideline that it was 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.280 a legal formation, So that came right away. Now, it 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.920 was in the it was kind of in the bunch 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.280 of it because she threw it in there into like 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.520 where all the linemen were. So that's the first one 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:19.600 I saw. And then the back judge who was back 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.240 at the back of the end zone went up to 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.520 the referee and asked him, like you could see what 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.559 number did you say? And then he's like seventy. They 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.600 looked He's like, well that was sixty eight, and then 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:31.760 he threw his flag down. 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.000 So that's the two flags I saw. No, that's really good. 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.880 I mean we were all there, we weren't on the field, 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:38.720 so Beemer. 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.280 Was right there, got a good, good look at it. 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.200 I think the part of it, too, is this was 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.000 a build up. There was a build up to that 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:49.400 play because throughout the game they were reporting lineman eligible, 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.960 and seventy was the lineman that they were reporting eligible 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.480 all day long. Taylor Decker was the guy who they 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.480 continued on the loudspeaker. We were sitting in the press box, 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.640 You're you're kind of doing your thing, but you heard 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:00.360 everyone in a while. 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:01.880 You do never really think much of it. 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.720 But I remember sitting there a couple of times and thinking, Okay, 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.800 seventy is eligible. Let me just watch and see what 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.120 happens here. Nothing would happen. And then it got to 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:11.880 the point where, like you said, Detroit was trying to 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.680 confuse things and the official probably looked back saw seventy 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:15.840 in the. 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:17.600 Huddle and was like, yeah, you know, what's seventy there? 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.560 You go like, that's who's eligible. And then it turned 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:21.720 into a downfield there. 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.720 Yes, there were bad calls both ways. It wasn't just 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:28.640 this call. It was the tripping call on the Dallas drive. 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.199 The tripping calls before, cause it was incredibly a terrible call. 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:33.800 I'll put it up against whatever you want to put 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:35.600 it against. Yes, when you watch the replay of that, 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.000 it's so not even close to being a tripping at hendershot. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.640 I just don't think that unless you see something for sure, 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:43.440 you don't throw a flag. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:43.800 You don't. 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.199 It looks like somebody trip let's throw the flight. No, 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.320 you have to definitively know and I'm and I'm of 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.040 a person who believes that you do that on the 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.440 first play the first quarter of week one, much less 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.959 in a big game that could ultimately have impacts on 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.200 who's the two and the three seed in the playoffs. Like, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:13:59.679 you got to see that suffort, and there's no way 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:01.680 anybody I saw that for sure, There's no way, because 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:02.520 it's not even close. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.800 And honestly, looking back on it, this might be a 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:06.559 hot take, but I don't even throw the flag there 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.120 on Hutchinson, Like he was kind of like pushed out 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:09.679 and yeah. 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.080 His leg kind of extended. But I believe it was Pallard. 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.480 Pollard was already past those two guys by that point, 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:15.840 so I don't know it was. 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:16.840 It was mind boggling to me. 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:17.200 As well. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:22.320 I just I also you think about the the just 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.560 the thought process of tripping in general. I mean, are 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.600 you going to get called for tripping against your own team? 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.400 Is that a penalty flag to trip your own your 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.440 own guys? I mean that's kind of like just common 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.400 sense to a certain extent. I know, you can get 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.640 called for tripping other players. And that's probably what the 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.600 call was, is that she thought or the official thought. 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.280 I forgot who throwed through the flag, but they thought 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:48.560 that it was Hindershot that tripped Hutchinson, even though Hutchinson 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:49.960 was the one that tripped Hindershot, and. 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.080 That they saw a leg out and it was cool, 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.640 but you got to know exactly who the leg it 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:57.400 was before you throw the flag. And if you don't 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.000 know whose leg it was, you just don't throw the flag. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:01.880 You let them continue to play. And if you missed 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:03.320 the call, then you missed the call. 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.080 Let's talk about what happened after that though. It's kind 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.800 of from that penalty forward. That was a fifteen yard 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.440 penalty and forced to the Detroit twenty nine yard line, 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.080 and then it was the two minute warning. Next play 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.640 following the two minute warning, Dak completes a pass to 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:18.800 Cede Lamb out to the thirty three yard line, eleven 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:23.000 yards time out from Detroit. That's their second timeout, so 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.400 they've got one more remaining. Next play the deep ball 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:31.160 to Brandon Cooks on the right sideline incomplete, clock stops 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:32.120 at one fifty five. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:34.440 Were you okay with that call? 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.200 Trying to drive the ball down the field rather than 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.440 hand it off and at least kill another forty seconds 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.800 because Detroit would then have to have their third time 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.000 out burned, and then you would at least there's forty 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.440 seconds more off the clock. You run it down. I 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.200 mean Detroit got it with one forty one left. Instead 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.640 they would get it with around one minute left, maybe 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:55.440 even less than that. 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.160 Yeah, I mean I get them trying to take a 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.280 kill shot. I didn't like it at all. I would 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:00.200 just run the clock. 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.720 And especially again, you're playing at home, you have the 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.760 crowd on your side. You know, defense is playing pretty well. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:07.120 It's not like the Lions are moving the ball up 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:07.840 and down the field. 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:09.280 Yeah. 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:10.440 I didn't like that at all. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.640 I don't think that anybody involved in that play likes it. 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.320 Looking back on it now, you know, hindsight's twenty twenty, 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:17.320 but even in the moment. 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.080 Mike McCarthy was asked about it in the post cap 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:23.000 press conference that play specifically, and he said that they 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:24.960 wanted to go with the sure thing there, or they 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:26.560 felt like that was more of a sure thing there 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.720 to try and get the kill shot. That's I was 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:30.200 thinking back. I was like, so the running game, not 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:31.880 the sure thing, Okay, noted. 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:33.160 Yeah, that's something to note too. 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.560 Jerry Jones talked about that a little bit this morning 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:37.840 as well. When we come back here on Talking Cowboys, 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:39.920 we're gonna catch you up on what Jerry had to 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.160 say little news and notes in the second segment. 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.880 Plus we've got a special caller. No, we're calling in 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.920 at some point here in the next couple minutes. 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:51.160