WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Prodigy 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.800 Of Course, Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:09.760 classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.480 and gentlemen, Welcome to QLs Classic Episode twenty seven Mob 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:19.000 Deep founder Prodigy May twenty seventeen. We were fortunate to 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:23.000 have an amazing conversation with Albert Johnson aka Queensbridge Finest 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.160 Prodigy from the infamous Mob Deep while he was still 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.760 with us on this earthly plane. He passed away a 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.879 month after this episode first debuted. He's promoting his Commissary 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.599 Kitchen Prison cookbook at the time, but we also got 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:37.919 to chop it up about his life growing up as 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.880 a duop kid, the Duop parents, his grandmother's dance school, 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:47.839 choreographer Michael Peters Queensbridge in the eighties, fights, beating and beats, 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.559 a life of diamond and guns, wake up calls and 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:56.840 yeah that's something. Jamescreen a special Encore presentation of QLs 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:01.880 Classic with rapper Prodigy and his co author Kathy Ian Deale. 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:14.320 Thank you, Suprema Son something supremo role called Suprema Son Son, 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.880 Supremo role called Suprema. 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:19.760 Some supremo role. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.640 Called Suprema Son Son Supremo roll. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:25.199 Called this is quest love. 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:33.000 Yeah, yeah, Supremo. 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.640 So I haven't an roll. 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:39.520 Called Suprema something Suprema. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:43.520 Role called Fonte's in the building. Yeah, check out my rhymes. Yeah, 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:49.559 q L S Family. 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Yeah, my verse will be better. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:50.720 Yeah if I read more books. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:58.360 Roll Supremo Supremo, roll call Supremo Sun. 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:59.359 Supremo roll call. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:03.639 My name is Kathy, Yeah, I'll write those books. Yeah 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.240 I can read them. Yeah, I've got no more hoss roll. 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:15.200 Supremo, roll Supremo, So Supremo. 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.600 On me p Yeah, h N I C Yeah we 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:20.600 on this show. 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:22.800 Yeah, that's mother go Ma. 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:34.559 Supremo, roll Supremo, Supremo, roll call Suprema, Son Son Supremo, 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.560 roll call Suprema. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:42.200 So that was not bad. 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:48.640 That wasn't That wasn't. Bed came through. 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:54.280 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another edition of Questlove Supreme. 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:58.240 Is this our first double uh? Kind of our first 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.119 double guest Pete rocking smoke this Okay. 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.280 He ain't talking much about this, so yeah it is. 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.600 And that was also the episode where D'Angelo came in 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.760 and was yeah, it's funky. 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:16.480 It's more arm Well, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, it's a 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:17.360 special episode. 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.799 Well, I feel like every episode of Quest Love Supreme 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:21.480 is a special episode, so I don't want to make 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:25.719 make it like the Meredith Backs to Bernie episode, a 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:31.560 special Meredith Back to Bernie episode Quest Love Supreme. We have, though, 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:36.919 like one of my freaking heroes, like one of my 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:43.520 rhyming heroes, a cultural icon in the world of music, 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:48.039 not I mean above hip hop, above, I mean music 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:57.040 just for me, like one of the Illis writers poets. 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.599 As an MC to me, he has the best opening lines. 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.680 Yes rap, Yeah, we'll talk more about but we will. Yeah, 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:04.200 Like I tell him these all the time. You have 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.520 like four balls to get my attention. But he kind 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.159 of made it even worse because it's like, comes in 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.600 the door. Yeah, you only got one bar, so right, 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:12.280 you know what I mean. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:17.479 So yeah, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome prodigy of video. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.760 Yo yo, y'all. What up? Though? 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:26.000 In addition, we have his co conspirator. Now, what makes 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.159 it great is that our special guests. Kathy's kind of 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:32.960 family to some of us quest Love supremers that have 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.160 started on the ok player boards. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.920 She's my favorite Lauren Hill stand of all time. 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.359 Right off, Well, I mean that's how you came to 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.960 my attention. I was like, who I mean before the 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.360 day of social media. I mean, Okay player was like 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.240 the original Twitter, that was the original. 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.440 That shit was gladiated school man. It was. It was 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:53.320 like gladiat to school. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.039 I feel like we pioneered the social media game before 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.040 social media was a thing, not for real, And I 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:04.159 just knew that this person was standing taking Lauren Hill's 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.680 stands to the next level. That's how you got my attention. 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.279 But I mean, you've blossomed to your own as a writer. 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.920 I mean you've written for a lot of periodicals and 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:17.440 from bt U dot Com to I mean all the 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.600 way to Billboard, Pitchfork, the p word pitchwork. 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:22.520 Yeah. 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:27.240 Wow, that's but you've also collaborated with Prodigy on on 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:28.359 his book. 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.160 Yes, the proper title. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.560 Is common Sarry Kitchen, my infamous prison cookbook. 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:34.159 This is the first book you worked on. 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.680 No, but legally I can say this is the first 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:38.600 book I've worked on. 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:47.560 I see, well, welcome bout Love three. Yeah, I gotta 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:51.800 say Prodigy that I'm I'm really not big on hip 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:53.160 hop autobiographies. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:54.760 Actually haven't read one myself. 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:56.360 I mean, there's a lot of books that have been 0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:01.800 written by hip hop luminaries, but I gotta say none. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.240 You said you're not a fan of hip hop, but autobiography, shit, 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:04.720 you wrote one. 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.080 No, I know that, but I'm just saying that it's 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.800 usually for me, like most people that are in the 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.600 genre really don't open up as much. It's almost like 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.600 a moment of their childhood and then they came to 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:17.640 music and then. 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.200 And then got here. Yeah. Right. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.040 It really doesn't really doesn't let you like inside of 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:25.880 like the mechanics of what makes them work as a person, 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.200 Like you know, them as a personality, Like there's really 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.600 not much you learn from the DMX book or this 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.160 Snoop book or like those things. 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.280 So but I'm just saying that or even the ghost Facebook. 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.160 You know what I'm saying, which. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.320 Exactly like this is more of a comedy book to 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:44.239 you than like a life story book. But I guess 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:48.040 that's read it like three years ago, like it's it's 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:49.720 a gripping ass story. 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:49.960 Man. 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.400 We listened to the audiobook on tour, like we ran. 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.600 We had to do like a long tour run and 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.640 we had the audiobook and that got us through the whole. 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.520 Tour like that. Shit was crazy. What's up? 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:00.760 Man? 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:06.520 Yeah, so Prodigy, I'm not gonna say it was the beginning. 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:09.600 I'm like all in this, you know. 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.240 But actually, my this is this is a rarity. 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.400 My my favorite part of a Prodigy story is actually 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.520 his beginnings. I know we all like to, you know, 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.280 to the good part. But I mean, you you come 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.640 from a lineage that I didn't know. We have some 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:29.440 in common. We're both products of do Wop. I don't 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.480 I won't say a dynasty, but I mean, you know 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.200 you grew up actually with two do Op parents. 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.280 Yeah, yeah, who was your father Bud Johnson? 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:43.360 He you know, my grandfather's named Bud Johnson also, but 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:44.760 my father was Bud Johnson. 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:46.080 He was in a group called the Chances. 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.200 Now your grandfather was a jazz musician, that. 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:51.679 Bud Johnson Senior. 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.840 He uh, he was a you know, big into jazz 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:59.680 and like a big band like him and Quincy started 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:03.000 a big being together with Dizzey Gillespie and a bunch 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.000 of different people. Man Like my grandfather used to have 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.960 all these jazz old gee's coming to the crib when 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.040 I was a little kid. So I used to be 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:15.080 in the crib and Dizzy used to make faceoalky for 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.679 me and all that. Like I was crazy growing up 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.120 around all that because I didn't realize what was happening 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.000 until I got older and think back about it, like, 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.959 oh wow, that's that was My grandfather had me around 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:27.000 on jazz. 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:27.920 Graates like you know what I mean. 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.240 But I ain't really get to appreciate his style of 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.079 music until I got older, you know what I mean. 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.240 It wasn't I just didn't get it when I was 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:36.600 a kid. 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:38.160 Like I asked you, at what point in your life 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:38.760 did it click? 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.520 Like I was around no one ever gets it when 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.600 like your parents' music when you're a kid, and only 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:44.400 when you're older. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.920 But right, but a high school is it like I'm 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:48.280 not even understanding until. 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.880 I'm probably like probably like yeah, in high school when 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:57.080 when I first started making beats, then I understood like 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.719 the power of my grandfather's music because we. 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.719 Would sample a lot of jazz records, you know what 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:03.080 I mean. 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.080 And he left me like his collection, his jazz record collection, 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:10.200 and we made a lot of the first album, Infamous 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:16.679 and Juvenile Hell that we did, yeah, from my grandfather's records. 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:22.040 Shook Woms was made actually Hancock Records, my grandfather's records. 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:23.960 Yeah, that's crazy. 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.760 So it was like once we got to that point, 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:31.440 we was like actually researching the records and like using 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.199 certain samples, and we was like, oh, just I understood 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.959 the power of the jazz music. And I started listening 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.640 to it like more in depth and paying attention to it. 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.640 Then I started to, you know, appreciate. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.360 What did he take your seeing any of his shows 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:46.559 when you were younger and. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.240 Hell yeah, man, I remember being at so many shows, 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.920 but once one in particular that stand out a lot 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.080 is that the blue note my grandfather used to perform there, 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:57.800 and I used to sit at the ball with my 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:01.360 pops and I should think I was drinking, you know 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.480 what I mean, I possibly ordering a real drink and 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:05.840 he would order me like a seven up with the. 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:07.880 You know what I'm saying. 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:11.120 I'd be sitting at the ball drinking like little kid 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:12.520 like you know what I mean, at the ball. So 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.800 I got memories like that and my grandfather performing while 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:17.600 me and my pop sitting at the ball watching him, 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:21.880 and yeah, you know, just different different shows and whatnot. 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:26.559 And yeah, man I was I would definitely feel blessed. 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:26.839 Got it. 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:28.800 I got a chance to see him before, you know 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:29.199 what I mean. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:29.920 I remember that. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.800 That even makes it more special because I know earlier 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.000 you told me that you're about to do a residency 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:35.920 at Bluenope. 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.439 Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy being in there. 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.240 We did the first show last month, and it's crazy 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.000 being in there because I just places like it feels 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:47.920 small because you know, when you're a little kid, everything 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:49.080 seemed bigger, like you. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:49.520 Know what I mean. 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:51.960 So now me and I'm like, damn, this is smaller 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:52.880 than my memories. 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.640 But it's like it's so surreal being in there and 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.120 performing in there because I just remember my grandfather doing it. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.480 So it's crazy how you know things turn, you know, 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:01.559 come full circle. 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:02.840 Was he a horn player? 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.120 Yeah, clarinet and tenor saxophone. 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:13.480 And even before that, I think your great grandfather started morehouse. 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.760 Yeah, my great I think he was like three times 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.800 great great great great grandfather. 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.000 Was like, yo, you know how lucky you are to 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.400 even know firsthand? Man, Like I just found out who 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:26.120 my grades were like two weeks ago. 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.000 Serious, man, But like the fact that you know the 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.600 history of your great great great My mother she did 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:37.880 the genie genealogy, and you know, she researched and if 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.160 we have some other family members that did the same 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.160 thing in research, and we we found our whole family, 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:44.440 like you know what I mean. Plus we got a 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.720 lot of my grandmother on my mother's side, she keeps 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.560 a lot of family photos and just history and stuff. 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.480 So we were able to like put pieces together to 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.679 connect dots, like you know what I mean. So it's 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.199 pretty It's pretty interesting, man. I learned a lot about 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.600 my family while I was locked up. My moms used 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.760 to write me and tell me, use this in your book. 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:04.599 Put this in your book. This is important, you know 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:05.000 what I mean? 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:15.040 Or so, and your mother was a member of the Crystals. 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:15.720 Yeap. 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.240 My mom was like walking down the street somewhere if 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.320 it was Queens or whatever wherever she was at, and 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.440 somebody stopped her and was like, hey, can you sing? 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.320 And she was like no, really, and they was like, 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.720 you sure, we need an extra member for this group 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:32.800 because one of the members had dropped out. 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.439 So they convinced her to do it. She was only eighteen. 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.480 They convinced her to do it, and she became a 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.560 part of the group and went right on tour, you 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:41.040 know what I mean. 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.120 So it was it was kind of crazy how she 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.520 in the mid sixties. She was a wow. 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.040 Yeah, it was just like random. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:50.880 Like somebody just she just so happened to be walking 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.480 down the street and they stopped her, like because I guess, 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.959 you know my mother she was very pretty, like with 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.480 light eyes, so they she had to look so they 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.840 stopped her. Yeah, can you sing? We want you need 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:02.400 you in this group. 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:02.680 Come on. 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.720 And y'all like a generational New York family, Like is 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:06.440 that weird? People? 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:10.280 My whole family's from South Side Jamaica, Queens and before that, 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.120 they come from like Texas. 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.920 And Virginia, you know what I mean. Yeah, the crystals 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:18.640 are for like our listeners. 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.960 I would always say that like I grew up in 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.720 an oldies duop family, but similar to like parents today, 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:31.000 like I'll say, like comal from the roots. My keyboard 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.400 player tricked his kids into thinking like Michael Jackson was 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.080 brand new. You know, as a parent, you'd be trying 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.480 to trick your kids into like, you know, like or Eve, 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:45.480 like my production manager. Uh, like his sons think that 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:51.840 like Eric being rock him is new. Even Kirk, my 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:55.680 guitar player, would play slick Rick so much for his 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.600 son that his son actually like the first time he 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.840 ever had to reprimand his son about a school project, 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.000 and I heard these words. He's like, son, you can't 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:13.200 bite someone else's rhymes, Like I guess in kindergarten, someone 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:14.800 was supposed to do it right in the sun, he said. 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.600 I thought that was gonna go somewhere. So I thought 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:19.840 I was about to tell him lick the ball. 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:26.120 No, no, he said that he took like plagiarize like 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.080 some of the children's story and made it like it 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:29.680 was his own own joying. 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:31.400 But like just I'm. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:35.960 Just fascinating how parents will trick you into thinking that 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.920 that's your contemporary music. So I grew up just with 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.440 you know, an oldies do op dad that would always 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:47.240 play like the Crystals, Harvey and the Moon Clothes like 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.480 all these groups. So like you know, I grew up 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:53.400 thinking like he's a rebel. It was like some new 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.760 ship when I came, like I had the forty five. 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.040 At home self. Yeah, I was. 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.200 I was surprised to find that out so well, Like 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.320 in the beginning, did you did you have any designs 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.920 of being an entertainer? Were you just like observing it 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:07.520 and just like that's their shit. 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.400 That Nah, In the beginning, I really didn't know what 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:13.280 I wanted to do until I told her, Like man, 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:17.840 maybe like twelve thirteen and I first heard I think 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.160 it was when I first heard you know, ll Cool 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:24.120 J and Run DMC, the Sucking m Season, Rock the Bells. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:28.760 When I heard those songs, that just changed every thing. 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.160 In my life, you know what I mean, that made 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:31.360 me I was like, all right, this is what I 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.240 want to do, This is this is what I like. 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:35.400 I used to play the songs for my mother, like 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:37.120 your mom checked this out. You know what I mean 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.960 I used to play ah, you know, paid it full. 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.640 Matter of fact, I used to say rock Kim's rhymes 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:44.240 till my moms act like I wrote it? 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.960 And did you always have this deep Deapan voice as 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:51.680 a kid, just like you are, like vocal. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:54.920 I don't know, that's just that's just my voice. Yeah, 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:59.160 hell yeah. So I used to say. I used to 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.520 say rocking ron my mom's she used to be like, 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:03.960 oh my god, you're really good. And I used to 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.280 be like, I ain't say nothing to us, just like, yeah, yeah, 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.960 I'm raped. I'm an rap. But I first got turned 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:11.199 on the hip hop. I mean when I was like 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:16.080 twelve thirteen before that, you know, like like you said, 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.080 it was a lot of there's a lot of duop 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.879 in the crib, like you know, soul music, you know 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.720 what I'm saying, A lot of church church music. 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:26.440 You know what I mean. You were born was it? 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.560 Were you born in Long Island or I was born 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.760 in Hempstead, Yeah, long ago. I know that Chuck d 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:33.960 and Flavor was talking about Hampstead and. 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.880 They Chuck did from the town right next to. 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:38.199 Me and Roosevelt. 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:43.200 Okay, that's right next to Hampstead. So we all liked. 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:48.119 I know that someone about PMD was Brentwood. It was 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:52.879 from Brentwood. Hempstead. Remember Son of Berserk? Yes, yeah, wow, 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:54.440 Son of Fromstead. 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.760 Yes you wait, I love that you just brought up 0:17:58.240 --> 0:17:59.720 Like for me, Son of Berserk. 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.000 I feel like I'm the only person that got that 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.000 record and worshiped the ship out of it. 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:05.760 Like I used to see. 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:07.840 I used to go outside to the store and Son 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.480 of observed to be outside where he's like, yo, shutting 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:11.240 up like. 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.120 The old man voice. You know what I'm saying. 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.680 Because we was like the little dudes using the studio. 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:19.040 It's a famous studio in Hempstead that Public Enemy. 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:22.200 Started in their pre production out there. 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:23.160 It was called five to ten. 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.400 Yeah yeah, so that's what we all started. Buster would 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.679 be out there sometimes, so that's what we all started. 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:31.480 So everybody used to be over there, like and we 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:36.280 used to see everybody over there. But yeah, man like Hempstead. Uh, 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.440 I think messing Man from Hampstead. He's from Terrace Terror's ad, 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.160 you know what I mean. Trying to think of who 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.480 else from out there, Rock Massy from Hampstead. 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:50.520 You know, those are the few that I can remember. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:55.879 The top So like what eventually brought you to the 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:58.320 city to Queens. 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.760 When I turned like eleven twelve, my mom's moved to 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:03.240 Left Rack. 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:05.240 She moved to Left Rack City. 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.119 My pops had split up because my pop said did 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:09.760 some crazy shit. 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:13.320 My pops was wild man. He uh, he had kidnapped me. 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:15.520 Took me to Detroit. He was living in Detroit for 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.639 a minute, balling out of control. He was working in 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.200 the stock market, doing some crazy shit. 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:23.359 And when did you live in Detroit? Man? 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.600 This is like early eighties when scarfid what year the 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:27.359 Scarface came out? 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:28.199 Three? Three? 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:29.840 Because my pops took me to the way. 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.000 You three. 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.359 My pops took me to the movies in Detroit when 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.760 at the premiere when Scarface first came out. 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:41.359 So that's when I was out there in age. 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.680 When you were nine, I was not so the lyrics 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:46.159 pop talked you try to shooting me? 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:47.400 Was seven? That was real? That really? 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:49.600 Oh yeah, the pop man, he was off the man 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.280 that that that boy is something else? 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:54.720 He was something else. 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:56.320 Man. Was he a musician as well? 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.520 Or like, yeah, he was a singer, you know what 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.960 I mean? Like I said, he had group, the Chances 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:03.280 do Our group. They had a couple of dope songs, 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:07.080 you know what I mean. But my father's things was 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.879 computers from the early eighties. He I remember, being like 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:13.600 probably five six years old. My father was working on 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:15.120 Mcinitar's writing programs. 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:18.160 You know what I'm saying. Really, he was really, really 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.399 dope with it. I think it's a school called t 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.399 c I. I think it's called t c I. 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:27.000 My father went there and he actually got so good 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:30.040 he became like a professor there. He started teaching. He 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.320 was in the commercials and all that. Like after a while, 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:36.120 he got really nice with it. And you know, that's 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:42.399 what he was into. Computers, heroin, alcohol, karate. My father 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:44.680 had an a doojo on Jamaica Avenue, you know what 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:46.159 I mean. So he used to teach karate. 0:20:46.240 --> 0:21:01.480 You just said that convo back then. Computer. It's very crazy, man. 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:05.040 My pop's life was wild. It was wild. 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:07.200 That was his thing. 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.400 He loved computers and he loved fighting and just doing 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:10.920 wild shit. 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:11.920 He was crazy, man. 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.280 And I know that you have a closeness with your 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:17.920 grandmother as well, that she was in the artist. 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.120 Yeah, my grand My grandmother was ill. 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:24.320 She was one of the first Cotton Club dances when 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:27.760 they first opened the Cotton Club way back and you know, 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.800 she was friends with Lena hornle Horn used to dance 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:34.840 there early before she became famous, you know. And that's 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:38.239 how my grandmother met my grandfather because my grandfather used 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:40.959 to play in the band at the Cotton Club, so 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:45.680 that's how they met. And you know, after my grandmother 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.639 started a dance school business in the basement of crib 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.359 on a god Brewer and she started with like five students, 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:54.000 you know what I mean, And it just grew and 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:56.760 grew over the years until to a point where she 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.240 started renting the building and then it grew to a 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:02.600 point where she actually bought her own commercial building in Queens. 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.520 She was like the first black woman to own a 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:08.639 commercial space in Queens. So you know, it was a 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:10.719 dance school business, you know what I mean. She was 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:13.880 that was her thing, dancing. So a lot of her students, man, 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:17.880 she has some famous students that she, uh that she raised, 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.800 like Ben Vereen is one of she raised, seen like 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.359 you know what I mean. And uh, he used to 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:24.840 you know, be in the house all the time, like 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.959 you know what I mean, anytime he had something going on. 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:29.440 We used to watch it in the crab. I don't 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:31.560 seen roots thousands. 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:34.480 Of times TV. You know what I mean. 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:37.119 That's like everybody get together watch Ben ben is on. 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:40.960 You know Michael Peters, he was the famous choreographer Michael 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:46.119 Michael Peters was that's my grandmama's. That was one of 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:47.919 my grandma's students. 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:49.240 He did beat it. 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.040 So like that was like events same thing like with 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:54.600 Ben Veren. 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:59.720 Matter of fact, Peters is the and the beating knife battle. 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:03.200 He's the one in all white be the one that 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:04.360 got their hands tied up there. 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:06.960 When I was six, my dad introduced me to him 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:08.600 and I was like, but you can't dance better than 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:09.160 Michael Jackson. 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:10.640 And he walked away with me with so much app 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:11.200 toude like. 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:16.159 Like I remember when I was a little kid, like 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:17.879 we used to fly to Cali because a lot of 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.320 her students live in Cali and whatnot, So we used 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:22.199 to fly to Cali and visit them, and she used 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.399 to take care of some business. And Michael Peter used 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:26.240 to take me to Universal Studios all the time. 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:28.120 That was my favorite place when I was a little kid, 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:31.040 Like let's go again, Let's go again. 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:32.800 I've been there like a hundred times. When I was 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:34.960 a kid, that was my favorite ship, like you know 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:38.439 what I mean. But yeah, so this is my grandma. 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:41.159 This is like my grandmother's life. She uh you know, 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:44.399 this is her her thing in the dance world. And 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:45.320 she got a lot. 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.720 Of choreograph choreographers and she h. 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:50.880 She helped out a lot of people as far as 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:53.240 that in that world. So I grew up a lot 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:56.760 around her concerts. She would do these concerts every year 0:23:57.000 --> 0:24:01.160 at Lincoln Center, at the Apollo at uh Carnegie Hall, 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:05.200 you know, every year she would do like a big concert. 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:08.840 And so you were a backstage kid. Yeah, me and 0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:12.080 my cousins be backstage wild looking at the girls getting dressed. 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:18.280 In my backstage, I used to watch old old ass 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:21.960 dudes you know, smoke reefers in the well. 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:22.320 Yo. 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:25.800 But he had a better backstage experience. Yeah, especially at 0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:30.960 my grandmother's dance school, like hundreds of girls from Queens 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:33.680 like that was like that was man. 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:35.199 I used to love that place when I was a 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:35.680 little kid. 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:38.680 Man, we had so much fun running around Jamaica Avenue 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:42.400 and you know, having fun, man with all the girls there. 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:44.600 And it was crazy crazy growing up, like you know 0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:44.879 what I mean. 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:49.440 So when when did you officially you you moved to Queens, and. 0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:52.760 So I moved the Queens after Detroit or yeah, there 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:56.240 had to be like eighty four, okay, eighty four eighty 0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:58.399 five and moved the left rack with my mom's. She 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.159 got divorced from my pops after he kidding at me, 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:02.240 and she was tight. 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:05.400 She was like, man, I ain't doing this ship no more. Man, wait, 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:06.280 how does she find you? 0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:10.440 My pops had actually took me on the robbery. Well, 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:12.439 he went and robbed the jury store. I was in 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:13.840 the car, you know what I'm saying. 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:15.240 And. 0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:24.480 That ship pisched my mom's off because you know what 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:28.200 I mean. We got into the hospitation. National County Police's 0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:31.320 chasing us, and he finally pulls over because he realized, 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:33.479 you know, I'm in the car. He jumps in the 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:35.320 car and throws a big ass bag of jewelry in 0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:39.640 my hand. I'm like this hold onse, jurry sh and 0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:42.720 he's flying through himstead like it was out on Long Island, 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:46.040 and you know, finally he pulls over. You know, I 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:48.639 remember the cop put me in the back and my 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:51.080 pop's hands was locked up on his back. I remember 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:54.320 holding my pops hand. They had me in the back 0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.199 seat with him. I didn't know what was going on. 0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:59.520 I'm like, I was too young to even compute with 0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:04.160 the buck was happening. Get to the precinct. Police gave 0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.280 me a soda. I remember sitting there drinking the soda. 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:09.480 My moms came to get me, and I remember her arguing, 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:12.080 my pop's flipping on him, like and then my pop's 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:13.879 kidnapped me right to that, you know what I mean, 0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:14.960 because she was like, I. 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:15.840 Can't be with you no more. 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:19.400 So he took me to Detroit, and my mom found 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.520 out where I was at. She threatened, you know, call 0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:24.480 the cops on him, and so he sent me back 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:26.400 or whatever my mom's Then we moved to left Rack, 0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.200 and then I went to school and left Rack and 0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:31.399 went and went to Junior high school and left right 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:33.680 said he went to Halsey right across the street from 0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:35.600 you know, right across the street from the l I E. 0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:37.879 You got across the lie to get over to the 0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:38.479 high school. 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:43.399 I'll say that the picture that I always think of 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:47.000 when I think of Queens, there's more or less the 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:51.320 picture that you guys paying it on the infamous. But 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:55.040 was it always like that? Like when you first got 0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:59.720 to Queens. Was it that because you paying a dark 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:03.040 what was Queen's Like? 0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:06.560 I mean that this is when crack first came out. 0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:09.240 When I'm over the Left Rack, crack just hit the street. 0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:12.600 It was brand new. You know what I'm saying. I'm 0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:17.600 in junior high school. I'm twelve years old. All the 0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:19.800 little kids my age was selling crack in the neighborhood. 0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:20.440 You know what I'm saying. 0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:23.240 I used to go to school and she sees little 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:27.600 niggas with rope chains and levees and ed max. I'm like, 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:28.800 what the fuck. 0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:29.640 Is these niggas doing? 0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:32.120 Like you know what I'm saying, Like these little kids 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:34.480 like you know what I'm saying, with big jewelry on 0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:37.280 looking like Eric being Rocky in on the cover of 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:39.800 the album, Like you know what I'm saying. And then 0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.080 you know, I started getting cool with people out there 0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:43.840 and they started telling me what they're doing, you know 0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:47.679 what I mean. And Left Rack was big time for 0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:51.200 like selling crack. Like It's well known that left Rack 0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:54.639 City was like big, big, big time cracked neighborhood, Like 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:55.200 you know what I mean? 0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:58.000 And left Rackets is proper name left Rack. Yeah, Okay, 0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:01.960 because I always I think when right, Yeah, like I thought. 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:04.440 That was did you know what I mean? 0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:07.159 They used to they call left rack IRAQ. That's that's 0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:09.280 what say. Left Rack is irack. 0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:11.560 Queens Bridge is Kuwait you know what I'm saying. 0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:12.960 Okay, okay, but. 0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.400 Yeah, so left rack that's how I was out there. 0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:19.800 This is when crack first hit. So you know, all 0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:21.560 my friends I'm going to junior high school, they sell 0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:23.720 the crack. And you know, once I got cool with 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:25.800 them and they told me what they was doing, I 0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:27.480 was like, man, you know, let me try my hand 0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:29.480 at that. I want someone want to chain too, you 0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:31.720 know what I'm saying, don't want a little fly like yeah. 0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:35.879 So I hooked up with one of my homies from school. 0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:37.320 He gave me a few vows. 0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:39.440 He was like, start with this. You know what I'm saying. 0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:42.240 If you could do this off good come back. I 0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:43.720 gave you some more like you know what I mean. 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.360 So I went out. I'm twelve years old. I'm looking 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:48.600 like I'm eight. When I was twelve, a little like 0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:49.040 I was eight. 0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:52.200 Yeah, So yeah, you definitely found the fountain of youth. Man. 0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:55.440 So figure in your thirties and forties now, like. 0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:58.440 I go outside with the little cracks on me and whatnot, 0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:01.800 and I'm super pad annoyed. I never sold a crack 0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:03.760 in my life, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:07.960 I'm looking around, I'm nervous. Motherfucker's walking up to me like, yo, 0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:10.640 you guys. I'm like, I don't know. It's like that 0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:14.560 scene from Paying Full everyone he was like scared when 0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:18.120 he first old, just like that. I was fucking Parannoyd yoe. 0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.280 So anyway, I think I sold one vow and the 0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:23.360 police ran up on me, you know what I'm saying. 0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:23.800 First time. 0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:27.080 First time police ran up on me, grabbed me. Yep, 0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:30.479 fuck you doing out here? Found the cracks. They was like, 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:32.920 how the fuck? How old are you? I'm like, I'm twelve. 0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:36.160 They're like, what the fuck? You look like a little kid, Like, dude, 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.600 like a real little kid, like go home, man, fuck 0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:40.360 you doing out here? And he just took the crack 0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.440 and sent me on. So now I gotta explain to 0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:45.880 this nigga what happened with the crack crack? 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:46.760 You know what I'm saying. 0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:49.240 He like, Yo, what happened? I'm like, yo, police just 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:51.320 took it and they let me go. He's like, yeah, 0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:53.600 now you gotta get me that brush. Son, So we 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.080 have a scrap, you know what I'm saying. At school, 0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.080 he want to scrap. I lost, you know what I'm saying. 0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:01.160 I was taking I'm taking my jacket off. He snuffed me. 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.840 I'm like, oh shit, So these girls breaking up, some 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:06.520 girls I knew from the hood broke it up, like 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:11.400 leave him alone. Leave So anyway, I ain't fuck with 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:16.400 the cracks no more. Why is this for a minute? 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:16.960 Four minute? 0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.520 And you know, I just I just was just cool 0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:21.400 with everybody after that. 0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:21.840 You know what I'm saying. 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.080 I wasn't trying to, you know, really sell on drugs 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:25.440 and get caught. That was too much for me, Like 0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:28.040 you know what I'm saying. And then once I went 0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:33.600 to high school and I met half so they had 0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:35.480 brought me out to Queensbridge when I first you know, 0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:37.960 I went to high school when I first met him 0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:40.720 and he introduced me to that. 0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:42.760 Whole world was just different. 0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:45.680 Now, mind you, when I was when I was a kid, 0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.400 my mother, you know, my mother whole life, she worked 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.800 for the housing Authority, So she worked in all the 0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:53.440 projects in New York, Brooklyn, Harlem, and you know what 0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:56.000 I mean. Queens and Queensbridge was one of the projects 0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:57.760 that she worked in. Her job was she would get 0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:00.200 people to approve for their apartments, you know. 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.480 What I mean. So they come to her to apply 0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:03.480 for She worked in the. 0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:06.120 Office on the hill on Queensbridge, and you know, people 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.240 gotta come to her, and. 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:09.200 She decided we signed them. 0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:11.000 You know what I'm saying, if they make enough money 0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:13.560 to live in the projects or you know, subsidized rant 0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:14.760 or whatever how that works. 0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:15.920 Everybody wanted to be her friend. 0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:19.160 Yeah, So she worked in Queensbridge when I was a 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:20.520 little kid, you know what I'm saying. 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:22.360 And I used to go with her to work in 0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:23.080 the summertime. 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:25.800 This is before I met Halving all that, and I 0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:28.200 went to reach day camp, like when my mom's at work, 0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:29.880 she would drop me a day camp on the hill 0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.160 called Reese. So I was already out there for a 0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.120 few years when I was a little kid. I met 0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:37.240 a bunch of people and it just so happened. In 0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:39.880 years later, you know, once I moved to left right, 0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:41.320 went to high school in the city. 0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.840 Man. Half now I'm back in Queensbridge. 0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.240 I'm older now, and I'm saying people I remember when 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:49.320 I was a kid from days from day camp and 0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:53.600 all that, right, but it was just being back out 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:57.080 there and just seeing you know how Queensband was like 0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.720 just a whole nother world, like the fashion, the slang, 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:01.880 like you know, just everything. 0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:02.680 It's just different. 0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:06.760 Okay, can you explain something to our listeners and by 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:14.080 our listeners listeners, I mean me, what is the dumb language? 0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.560 And what is the genesis of the dumb language? 0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:20.280 Was that like done duney like done done, the done 0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.440 language that's like saying we send no cats. 0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:25.280 In Sweden that talked with done like after my deep 0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:26.600 s came up, Yo, what I've done? 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:28.280 And I was like, what are y'all talking about? 0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:33.320 It's one of our homies from Queensbridge. His name is Bumpy. 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:34.720 Uh. 0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:36.800 He got like a speech impetitive and he speaks with 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:38.440 like a list a little bit, you know what I'm saying. 0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:41.960 So you know that's where we call each other's son. 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.000 Everybody like yo, what up son? What up son? 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.200 And when Bumpy say it, he'd be like, what up thunk? 0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:46.960 What up thunk? 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:58.479 So you know what I'm saying? 0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:02.560 So it's you, yeah, yeah, tears you in. But I 0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:04.480 had short when I write my rhyms. I tried to, 0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:06.719 like I write shorthand I try to write short as possible. 0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:08.720 So I used to write du in just to write. 0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:09.800 It real quick and get it out the way, you 0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.600 know what I'm saying. So it's like two different spellings 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:15.240 when I do it. But whatever, that's where it started 0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:17.640 with Bumpy, you know what I'm saying, and we just 0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:21.040 started calling out. He created the dumb language. That's what 0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:23.080 we you know what I mean, you, yeah, shout out 0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:25.360 the bump man. But yeah, once I got out there 0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:28.680 and I just seen how that world was in Queensbridge, 0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:31.360 and I remember being out there as a kid. When 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.400 I was out there, it was like super early eighties, 0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:36.560 like probably the Juice Crew. 0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:40.880 Was popping, like back of those guys. 0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:42.800 I was too young back in the days, you know 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:44.320 what I'm saying, when I was in day camp. But 0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:47.080 I remember how they used to dress. They used to 0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:49.400 have the shelter, they used to have the pumas with 0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:53.520 the you know the tall one suits can't go. I 0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:55.480 remember seeing people dressed like that when I was a kid, 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:57.720 So I know that was like probably that Juice Crew era. 0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:00.880 And then when I came back out there later on. 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.120 You know, it was it was new things happening, you 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:06.720 know what I'm saying. It was like their era was 0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:08.799 starting to change. You know what I'm saying, Things were 0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:12.239 starting to change. And you know, I was like right 0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:15.759 smack dab in the middle of it, man. And you know, 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:20.040 it was just interesting to see being from Hempstead and 0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:23.560 going to school in Manhattan, you know where manha a. 0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.160 We went to high school with everybody from you know, 0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:30.880 different boroughs, Brooklyn, the Bronx, you know, Manhattan Queens. They 0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:33.320 was from everywhere in high school, art and design, you 0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:35.640 know what I mean. So we had friends with people 0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:37.920 from all over eight East Borough. So we used to 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:39.360 hang out. You know, we used to party in the 0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:42.920 Bronx up by Yankee Stadium and Sheridan. We used to 0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:47.600 you know, hang out in Brooklyn and bed Style Marcy Tompkins, Sumner, 0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:48.560 you know what I mean. 0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:49.040 We used to. 0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:51.000 We was out there, you know what I'm saying. 0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:54.200 So was there ever any hesitation whatsoever? 0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:57.080 Because I know, if you go to a different part 0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:01.200 of town that you're not necessarily from, it could be 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:04.040 a caution thing, like you know. 0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:05.960 Yeah, I mean you gotta be careful, man, I mean 0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:10.360 look growing up. You know what I'm saying. This is 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:12.640 this is where things changed for me a little bit. 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:13.520 All right. 0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:17.200 My first year of high school, there was this game 0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:21.239 called The Decepticons, you know what I'm saying. And I 0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:24.320 used to come to school in the morning, and uh, 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.000 I used to see people coming to school, my friends 0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:28.920 coming to school with big ass cuts going across. 0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.879 They face their arms hands like. 0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.920 Buck fifty days, face is spliced open, like you know 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:35.439 what I'm saying. 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:37.200 I'm like, what the fuck happened to you? 0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:37.480 Son? 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:39.759 The're like, yo, the Deceptor car just caught us in 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.239 the train station, you know they I'm like, whoa. 0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:44.560 I'm like, Yo, the niggas ain't cutting me like that. 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:44.879 Dog. 0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:48.239 I'm buying a gun right now because I damn nigga 0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:49.239 try to cut me like that. 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:51.879 These niggas was twisted, you know what I'm saying. 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:55.400 So that kind of it kind of forced me into 0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:59.080 position where I was like, i'ma protect myself, like you 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:00.880 know what I'm saying. So that's when I bought my 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:02.880 first gun because of that, you know what I'm saying, 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:04.560 Because I was gonna let the white cut me in 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:06.319 the face like that, you know what I'm saying, and 0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.920 they was running around doing this on a daily like 0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:11.040 this is what they was doing. Like they was from Brooklyn, 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:12.759 like you know what I mean. It was just a gang. 0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:15.759 It was called Decepticons. They had a female version called 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:19.040 Deceptor Nets. They had another game called The Low Lives. 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:23.239 They had another game called I can't think of it 0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:26.920 right now, but yeah, there was like this gang culture 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:30.040 from Brooklyn, you know what I'm saying. And we had 0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:32.880 to deal with that, you know, because after school they 0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:36.680 would come up to different schools and terrorize motherfuckers, Robin 0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:39.400 motherfuckers like you know what I'm saying. So it forced 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:44.600 me and my little tight friends to be on some bullshit. 0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:47.000 It forced us to be on some bullshit, you know 0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:50.160 what I'm saying. And that's that's where the bullshit started 0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:53.640 a little bit, like you know what I'm saying, you 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:54.320 know what I'm saying. 0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.759 And then you know, also just growing up in Hampstead, 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:01.240 you know, that's like it's a hood, that's a hood 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:02.640 out there, like you know what I'm saying. It's a 0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:05.919 residential area that got houses that looked nice. But that's 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:09.719 the hood out for Hempstead. Wasn't the the cozy part 0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:10.320 of Long Island. 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:11.319 That Nahmstead. 0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:13.120 When I think a Long Island, I think of like, oh, 0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:15.640 that's a vacation spot or yeah, nah nah. 0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:20.160 Where'd you grow You grew up. 0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:21.879 In Hempstead, Bill, Now I grew up a few miles 0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:24.200 north of Hempstead, but a little bit a little different. 0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:27.240 Yeah, there's a differant part where you crossed the track. 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:29.560 As soon as you cross the track called the track side, 0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:30.880 right as soon as you cross. 0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:33.200 The track is over. Oh you're in the hood. 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.920 Certain to explain that on his episode that Yeah, you know, 0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:38.000 I had a lot of friends out there. 0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:39.800 We did a lot of things, and you know, it 0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:42.160 put me on some ship mentally, you know what I'm saying. 0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:44.400 Just and my my pops already had me on some 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:48.040 ship mentally. But then going to school Manhatan, you know 0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.200 that really kind of changed me because I started hanging 0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:51.600 out and on the different boroughs. 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:54.480 I had friends from different boroughs and we. 0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:56.520 Used to deal with this type of ship Did you 0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:59.520 go to art and designer man the Fame school? 0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.279 That's what that's what that's all right, No, that's that's 0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:07.880 uh Guardia. Yeah, so there's another My mother went to 0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:09.080 to that school she graduated. 0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:11.759 So what did you are having both go to the 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:12.160 school for? 0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:14.719 Because so Havelf was a grade ahead of me. He 0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:17.360 was there for architecture. He was dope. He used to 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:21.239 build like scale models or like you know, apartment complexes 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:22.440 or whatever, building like. 0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:23.440 You know what I mean. He could do that. 0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:27.120 It's nice I went to school there because this is 0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:29.359 all most of my friends was from left Rack. 0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:29.960 You know. 0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:31.400 We used to sit around the summertime, where are you 0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:32.160 going to high school? 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:32.359 Son? 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:35.120 Well, we're going to Edison. Oh I'm going to this one. 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.320 And most of my friends like, we're going on design. 0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:39.400 So I was like, fuck, I'm going there too. Then 0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:42.319 I'm going wherever y'all niggas is going right. So that's 0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:44.239 the only reason I wanted to go there. You know 0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:47.320 what I'm saying, I didn't really have I didn't think 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:49.239 that I had any art skills, Like you know what 0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:51.920 I'm saying. I had to take a test to get 0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:55.120 into school. You had to bring a portfolio up. So 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:57.640 I was like, all right, what am I gonna do? 0:38:57.680 --> 0:38:58.960 How'm I'm getting school? 0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:00.600 I'm a guy. I got work my way in school. 0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:02.799 Somehow, So I thought and I was like all right, 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:04.880 I'm a this is this is this group called the 0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:07.320 shirt Kings, like clothing designers and. 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.799 Oh the airbrush yeah, and a brushing in the coliseum 0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:10.560 and queens. 0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:13.480 So you know, I grew up with them like I 0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:15.320 grew up with a little kid on Jamaica Avenue, like 0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:16.719 you know what I'm saying. So they know me all 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:19.200 my life, like you know what I mean. So I 0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:21.799 was like, light bulb, I'm gonna just copy. I'm gonna 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.080 bite the shirt Kings. I'm sure these I'm sure these 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:25.320 motherfuckers art design. 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:27.040 They never seen no ship like that before, you know 0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:27.560 what I'm saying. 0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:30.319 Right, So I just got me some shirts, I got 0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:33.480 me some marketers, uh, some paint whatever, and I just 0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:36.239 drew some graffiti on the ship and I made a 0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:38.279 portfolio brought up to school and they was like, oh 0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:39.200 they liked it, and I got it. 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:41.600 I got into school with that ship. I was shocked. 0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:44.120 I was like, oh shit, that should work. You know 0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:47.040 what I'm saying. This is crazy hearing this. 0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:48.040 This is that's your story. 0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:52.400 It's story, right because Tarik was was the art was 0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:54.279 the art design students. So he used to make like 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:59.040 crazy medallions and those your baby, yo, Mickey mouse ship. 0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:01.720 Oh yeah, man, sit like creative man creative. 0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:06.279 But you know, I guess uh, you know, I got 0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:09.000 a love for being creative by being at that school. 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:09.840 Like you know what I'm saying. 0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:13.640 I got a love for photography because we had photography class. 0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:16.279 There a love for you know, just design and ship 0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:18.839 and seeing what have used to do with the architecture. 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:22.279 It's just, you know, open my mind something new. 0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:26.479 You know. So how did y'all how did you guys meet? 0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:27.920 You met in high school? 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:28.160 Yeah? 0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:30.759 We met my first year of high school and my 0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:33.480 photography class was a kid named Black from the Bronx, 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:37.200 and we got real cool, kicking it every day in class. 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:39.680 And one day he was like, yo, man, he was like, 0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:42.040 I used to wear mad jewelry like I used to 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:43.879 have I thought I was slick, ricked dog. 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:44.560 You know what I'm saying. 0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:47.360 I used to have hands full of rings, mad chains 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.520 and ship stop. I was retarded when I was in school, 0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:52.560 Like you know what I'm saying. That's another reason why 0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:54.200 I bought a gun too, because I'm like, I'm a 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:55.080 target with all. 0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:55.440 This ship on. 0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:59.440 You didn't feel like I was. 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:01.640 I was bugged out as a kid, Yo, you know 0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.040 what I'm saying. I didn't really care too much. So 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:08.920 you know when I'm at half it was because of 0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:12.080 my man Black from the Bronx photography class. He was like, yo, man, 0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:14.920 you know you should meet my one of my friends 0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:17.440 the name Havoc. They're both rapped, you're both about the 0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:20.400 same height. You know, I'm gonna introduce you to him 0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:25.240 after school. So little did I know that these niggas 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:27.600 were setting me up to rob me. Oh wait what 0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:31.640 Havoc boy? This had arranged marriage, that arrange. 0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:42.719 The greatest story, like the greatest life. 0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:45.640 They were setting me up that day. It was like 0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:47.680 a whole setup. They was gonna rob me, you know 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.799 what I'm saying, and whatever. I ain't find this out 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:51.800 till later, you know what I'm. 0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:56.600 Saying, Like lady, when you're on the proposal. 0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:57.440 But like, oh, yo, you. 0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:00.479 Remember when we first met, Maybe like a year later 0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:04.080 they came They was like, yo, remember that time. We 0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.560 was like yo, we's gonna rob you that day, son, 0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:08.920 But you know you was cool, so we was like, nah. 0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:16.080 I don't rob them. That's our story. 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:17.200 That's real shit too, man. 0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:19.320 You know what I'm saying. Wait, a minute, you're listening 0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:20.360 to the Quest Love Supreme. 0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:23.840 Our guests this week are Prodigy of Mob Deep and Kaffyandali, 0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:27.120 journalists and co author of Prodigy's latest book, Commisary Kitchen, 0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:32.000 My infamous prison cookbook. And we got some messages from 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:41.480 our sponsors. All right, So when you you're telling me 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:45.480 that initially your meeting was a setup, you came in 0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:47.640 the name of oh, we should be in a group together. 0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.200 I was like, I'm cool, Black, we cool kicking. Seemed 0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:51.879 like a cool dude. 0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:53.800 He said he want to introduce me to somebody that 0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:55.359 wrapped to We about the same height. 0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:57.200 He was like, Yo, you should make a group. 0:42:57.719 --> 0:42:59.360 I'm gonna introduce you to him after school. 0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:00.919 I'm like, all right, bet. 0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:05.080 So after school we go outside and there's a fight 0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:08.359 right in front of the school. So I'm like, we're 0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:10.600 looking at the fight, and my man Black is like, 0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:13.279 that's that's havoc right there fighting. He's fighting that kid. 0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:15.439 So have I've seen that he was fighting some kid? 0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:18.880 Kid actually tried to stab had missed missed him. He 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:22.799 was like leather jacket and like motherfuckers dropp niggas, like 0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:24.080 got the knife out of his hand. 0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:24.959 Had beat him. 0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:28.799 Up and everybody lifted half up in the air like 0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:31.879 he just like like he just hit. 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:33.320 The winning game touchdown. 0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:36.640 There was dumping him in the air like this, I 0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:40.120 swear all the way to the train station after the fight. Damn, 0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:42.160 he's calling him Kiw because I was like his name, Like, 0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:45.040 his name is Keiwan. So he's like nickname in schools 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:46.319 like Kiwi. The used to call the Kiwi and they 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:47.400 used to call me pee wee. 0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:48.120 You know what I'm saying. 0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:50.240 Because I was mad small Like you know what I'm saying. 0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:51.719 That would have been a better group named. 0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:58.359 So you know, we following him to the train station 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:00.839 and I'm like this is crazy like all. So after 0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:02.840 they put him down, we get on the train, we 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:06.239 meet each other. So I'm like, yo, where are we going? 0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:09.399 Like we're going to Ravenswood. I'm like ravens Wood. I'm 0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:12.239 like my grandmother from Ravenswood, my mother's mother, you know 0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:15.520 what I mean. She had moved from South Jamaica projects 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:19.359 to Ravenswood like some time ago. He was like a word, 0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:22.279 He's like my grandmother from Ravenswood. So both our grandmothers 0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:25.640 lived in Ravenswood. So right there, that was like we 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:27.560 had a connection, like you know what I'm saying. Right, 0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:31.000 so we went to his you know, his craving Ravenswood 0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:35.040 and we chilled, and we went to Queensbridge walked around chilling, and. 0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:35.920 That was it. 0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:37.680 We just got cool that day, you know what I'm saying. 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:42.719 And we started making songs immediately, and we just clicked immediately, 0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:44.520 We just clicked, you know what I mean. We became 0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:48.120 really close friends and getting in the mad trouble together 0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:51.680 and just doing all this dope music and everything was 0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:54.359 just like so he was moving know how to make 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:57.759 beats immediately or nah, nah, I actually taught Half how 0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:00.200 to how to make beats, how to sample and. 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:04.240 Wait, you were the initial the person. What were you using? 0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:10.600 Uh EPs sixteen planet task scam set, four track ship 0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:12.320 recorder ship like you know what I'm saying. 0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:16.320 We let the little mixed board. Yeah. 0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:20.000 So after I met Half, you know what i mean, 0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:22.480 and we started getting real cool and we started being 0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:24.480 like all right, this is this is we got something, 0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:27.480 you know what I'm saying. We kind of looked good together, 0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:29.840 were the same height, we got the same style, like 0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:33.200 you know what I mean, And it's like, uh, we're 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:36.440 making these dope. We made like fifty songs immediately. We 0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:38.640 made like fifty songs when we first met, in a 0:45:38.719 --> 0:45:40.920 week or in a month, a couple of weeks, you know. 0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:41.719 What I'm saying. OK. 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:48.520 And uh, you know right after that, you know, we 0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:50.560 just realized like you're damn we got something here, you 0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:53.160 know what I'm saying. And uh, we just started pushing 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.080 forward with it, like, man, you know what, fuck school, 0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:56.520 let's do this. 0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:02.160 For You did the two Young record on No this 0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:03.319 is after I did that. 0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:05.920 So I did the Too Young Record when I was 0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:06.960 in junior high school. 0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:14.560 Oh wow, the boys and sound him what this is 0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:15.399 why I wrote a book. 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:19.560 Man, There's so much shipped from different angles, Like. 0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:23.239 But the EPA won't listen to what I have said, 0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:31.399 these two of the biggest biggest R and B heads 0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:31.960 of all times. 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:35.560 The fact that when I was living in Left Rack, 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:39.120 I had made a U, I had a solo career. 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:40.799 I was like trying to be a you know, a 0:46:40.800 --> 0:46:43.960 solo artist. My name was the Golden Child. My name 0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:45.839 was Lord T the Golden Child. 0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:46.919 You know what I'm saying. 0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:49.200 Because my family they called me choker. You know what 0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:51.120 I'm saying with the T, but the tea is silent, 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:53.560 you know what I mean. The tea come from choker. 0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:55.359 You know what I'm saying. Lord T. The Golden Child, 0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:57.040 I thought I was the Golden Chad. That was my like, 0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:57.759 my favorite movie. 0:46:57.800 --> 0:46:58.000 I was. 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:01.000 So Anyway, I had Little te the Golden Child, one 0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:02.120 of my homies from Left Frack. 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:02.759 You know. 0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.600 We used to make some music together or whatever whatever. 0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:07.759 But he used to send me some beats and I 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:11.200 used to go record him and I used to shop around. 0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:15.279 My mom's was like, yo, shop your demo around. She 0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:17.919 was like, write your lyrics out mailing to yourself. That's 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.279 the cheap man copy copyright, man, poor man copyright like 0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:22.399 I was doing. 0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:23.719 My mom was teaching me what to do. 0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:26.120 She was like, do this, do that, take a shit around, 0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:28.840 you know what I mean. So we got my music 0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:33.839 to jive somehow. I don't even remember how, but job 0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:36.600 gave me a demo deal and a demo dealer is 0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:38.040 do you remember? 0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:41.360 Nah, I don't even remember how I answered that time. 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:44.960 This is nineteen ninety, correct, Na, this is like eighty eight, 0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:48.879 eighty nine. Okay, you know what I'm saying. So I'm 0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:51.200 in job working in battery studio. You know, they got 0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:54.279 their own studio, So they gave me a studio. They 0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:56.840 was like, all right, let's see what you could do, 0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:59.160 you by yourself. That's what a demo deal is, you 0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:01.360 know what I'm saying. They put you in the studio. 0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:03.120 All right, let's see what you If you could come 0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:06.080 up with something dope within the next couple of months, 0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:08.240 we'll sign you to you know what I'm saying. 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:09.719 So that's the kind of. 0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:10.279 Deal I had. 0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:12.960 So so you by yourself, Me by myself with the 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:15.480 German scene and you writing your rhymes, doing your own music. 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:18.440 No, I wasn't making beats at that point. I was 0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:20.399 getting beats from people, and you know what I mean, 0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:25.160 just trying whatever I could do. So while I'm dead, 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:28.000 I used to I used to flirt with the girls 0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:29.520 at the front desk, like you know what I mean. 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:31.200 A couple of girls worked at the front desk. 0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:33.080 You know, they was cool with me. 0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:35.840 So one day I'll go to job to go to 0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:37.640 the studio and the girl at the front desk, her 0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:40.560 name was Kim. I remember her name because she hooked 0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:43.040 it up for me. She was like, yo, I want 0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:45.200 to bring you to the back. You need to meet somebody. 0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:47.200 They working on the soundtrack. I'm gonna get you on 0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:47.760 his soundtrack. 0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:48.160 Come on. 0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:50.839 So she brought me in the back office. She was like, Yo, 0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:53.680 this is this is little tea whatever da da da dah. 0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:54.400 He rapped. 0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:55.680 You should get him on this song. 0:48:56.440 --> 0:48:59.239 So they was like, all right, go ahead, you write, 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:00.960 write some balls. See what you could come up with. 0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:03.200 And I wrote that too young, you know what I mean? 0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:04.320 And they put me on the song. 0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:07.360 So crazy. I was just thinking about that. I was 0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:09.760 really thinking about that song last week. All the stuff 0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:12.799 about about Trump, you know, defunding the E p. 0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:15.520 A and all that, that lyric kept coming in my head. 0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:17.240 It's crazy crazy. 0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:18.759 I never knew that then. 0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:23.680 You know. My first year of high school, Mett Half. 0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:28.200 Still working at Battery at this time, so I used 0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:29.799 to bring Half with me. I was like, yo, I 0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:31.640 got a studio we could work at. So I used 0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:33.719 to bring Half with me. The Battery, we used to 0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:36.360 get beat. We used to like use recording polls on 0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:39.480 the tape and make our own beats. And that's we 0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:40.839 made a lot of beats like that. 0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:45.000 And where y'all going by the poetical prophets at this time. 0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:48.160 Yeah, we still didn't figure out the name out this time, 0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:51.120 you know what I'm saying. But uh, you know, Job 0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:53.239 gave me that studio then. Now I'm not supposed to 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:54.359 be having other people in there. 0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:59.000 So does the story sound familiar? Is the black version 0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:01.880 of search, This is the third base got started. 0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:03.920 So take this out so now you know. 0:50:04.440 --> 0:50:06.040 Job was like, all right, we want to sign you 0:50:06.080 --> 0:50:07.920 after the boys and the hood Ship and all that. 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:09.839 And I was like, look, I got a partner now. 0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:12.920 I was like, if you want to sign me, you 0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:16.040 gotta signed him. And they was like, na, we just 0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:18.120 want you, you know what I mean, we don't want 0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:21.840 your partner. And I was like, all right, well. 0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:21.919 See you later. 0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:28.920 You walked away from that, that's oil. I was like, man, listen, 0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:32.239 because what we were doing, it was just it was 0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:32.840 just a vibe. 0:50:32.880 --> 0:50:34.319 You could just feel it, you know what I mean. 0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:37.600 You could feel the power of what and we just 0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:41.239 like met and just started and through our conversations and 0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:43.279 just hanging out and the music we was doing, you 0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:45.920 could just feel like, this is what it's supposed to be. 0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:48.080 You know, I'm not supposed to be a solo artist, 0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:48.600 you know, what I'm. 0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:50.319 Saying, knowed you walked away? 0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:52.520 Yeah, yeah, you know that because I was trying to 0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:54.000 get both of us signed the job, you know what 0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:54.439 I'm saying. 0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:58.239 But they was like nah, So like I mean, by 0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:02.399 this time, there were other groups that were of your 0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:04.759 age or I mean, y'all look mad young at least 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:07.040 on the Juvenile Health record, y'all look young and shit. 0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:11.439 So I thought y'all were in the kids group realm right? 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:18.920 So were they trying to mold y'all into that ABC 0:51:20.320 --> 0:51:23.200 criss cross kind of bandwagon? 0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:25.080 Like they trying to make y'all kids group? 0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:27.840 The ill part about it is we never had anybody 0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:32.000 telling us to do anything nor ever, like I said, 0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:33.239 they put me in that room like all right, let 0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:33.920 me see what you can do. 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:41.560 That's crazy. So nobody artist development, no do that. Nobody 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:43.360 ever told us what you able to teach yourself. 0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:45.600 All we just did it, Like you know what I'm saying. 0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:46.839 We just did it. 0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:50.840 And you know, after job was like nah, I was like, 0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:53.520 all right, we're out of here, and uh we just 0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:57.480 continue to make songs and shop our demo around and 0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:00.399 you know, try to get on you know I'm saying. 0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:02.879 And that's when we met you tip after a while. 0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:03.640 You know what I'm saying. 0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:06.640 All Right, I'm sure you've told this story a good 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:12.239 jillion times, but can you please tell that death jam story? 0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:17.319 So for our listeners, you've not heard this is the 0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:19.040 illest story ever ever. 0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:22.440 Yeah, man, then let me say something real quick to Okay, 0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:25.520 just something clear, real quick. A lot of motherfuckers they 0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:27.880 read my book or they hear these stories. 0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:29.320 This nigga dry snitching. 0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:34.040 Now, let me tell you something, right, there's nobody being convicted, 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:37.520 arrested or anything. From what I'm saying. I'm saying, ship 0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:39.920 with the I'm saying ship with a what do you 0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:44.800 call it? The thattual limitations. 0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:45.960 Is done already. 0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:49.040 So it's like this is our life, Like this is 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:52.000 ship that happened in our life, and it's it's a 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:53.799 blessing that we're able to talk about. 0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:55.520 It right now and that we made it out of 0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:56.040 certain ship. 0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:57.319 And you know what I mean. 0:52:57.680 --> 0:53:00.480 So when when when you hear people saying only they 0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:02.719 don't know what the fuck they're talking about the dog 0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:05.640 like that, that's that shit really pisses me off. But anyway, 0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:11.360 I'm gonna tell you the story. Thank you, So after 0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:13.920 the job, ship me and has started making mad songs, 0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:17.640 and we took our new demo around and what we 0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:19.560 used to do is look on the back of albums 0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:22.600 to our favorite labels. So our favorite label, of course 0:53:22.680 --> 0:53:25.239 was Death Jam at that time. So we used to 0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:26.879 be like, all right, where's death Jam? All right, here's 0:53:26.920 --> 0:53:28.840 the address. All right, come ons, cut out of schools, 0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:30.759 take the train, go down to death Jam. So we 0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:32.480 used to go down to death Jair with the headphones, 0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:34.239 walk in, and we should to just stand outside the 0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:36.839 door like this and wait for the rappers to come out, 0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:38.880 you know what I mean, or whoever to come out. 0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:41.320 And we've seen, you know, a bunch of different rappers 0:53:41.360 --> 0:53:43.520 come out. We'd be like, yo, listen to our demo tape. 0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:45.080 And he was like, man, I got time of this ship. 0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:49.080 See who in front of your who's the minor? Who's 0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:53.359 the minor of the story on three guests last week? 0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:54.000 And now I feel bad. 0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:56.000 I'm like, Yo, they're gonna be biggest sit like we 0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:57.759 was outside of thirty Rock for you. 0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:00.920 I'm gonna tell you it was i'ma I remember clearly 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:03.239 who it was. I don't got no. 0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:05.439 Personal ship against him. I don't care about that ship. 0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:08.040 This is like but it definitely was the Afros. 0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:17.040 Remember the damn hurricane Hurricane you could have had Hurricane 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:18.799 was like, what come on, watch out, shorty, you got 0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:19.480 time for this shit. 0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:23.360 So I'm like, word whatever. So we wait outside. We 0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:25.960 waited outside, We see people coming out. Nobody would give 0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:28.280 us a listen. The Q Tip came out the building 0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:30.759 and you know, they was on fire at that time. 0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:33.719 That was the try call question ship. We're like, oh, 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:37.880 ship tip right here, Yo, could you listen to our demo? 0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.480 Son like check us out? Something from Queens dah da 0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:40.879 dah dah. 0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:43.840 He's like, work, check your ship out. Put on listen, 0:54:44.400 --> 0:54:45.600 playing him a couple of songs. 0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:47.239 He took it off. He was like, come on, come 0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:48.160 inside the office with me. 0:54:49.160 --> 0:54:52.280 Dumn brought us in the office, introduced us to Chris Lighty, 0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:56.200 introduced us to man. It was called RUSS associated label 0:54:56.719 --> 0:54:57.440 at that time. 0:54:57.280 --> 0:54:57.719 You know what I mean. 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:01.440 It was like a management management thing and plus the 0:55:01.480 --> 0:55:05.320 associated label thing, and you know, he introduced us to 0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:08.839 people in the office and Sip was like, Yo, these 0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:11.520 dudes are dope. Help them, you know what I'm saying. 0:55:11.560 --> 0:55:14.200 He was like, help them get them, do something with them. 0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:16.560 He was like, yeah, he's like your center. 0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:18.359 He's telling Chris, he's telling everybody office. 0:55:18.400 --> 0:55:20.319 YO, set up a meeting with Russell. Set up a 0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:22.480 meeting with YO. Get them, you know what I mean, 0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:26.640 get these kids music hurt they dope yea. So after that, 0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:29.400 you know, we, uh we had a meeting with h 0:55:29.600 --> 0:55:32.960 They set up a meeting for us with Russell Simmons. 0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:35.600 So we go to the office to have a meeting 0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:38.399 with Russell and uh, it's supposed to be at Russell Cribb, 0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:42.520 which was around the corner on Broadway, Rob McDonald's somewhere 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:43.200 down that area. 0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:47.120 So we get to Russell Creb. 0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:48.759 Matter of fact, I had the gun on me, you 0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:50.719 know what I mean, the little one shot daarreage. I 0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:52.200 had bought a school, you know what I mean. So 0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:56.040 I wasn't trying to get cut. I had left it 0:55:56.280 --> 0:55:58.520 in the deaf jam office because I didn't want to 0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:00.560 bring a gun in Russell house, you know what I mean. 0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:03.360 I was like trying to beat respectful. Respectful. 0:56:03.400 --> 0:56:04.560 I was like, I don't bring no weapon in this 0:56:04.600 --> 0:56:06.640 crib let meet. I was talking my man office. Hold 0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:08.399 us in the drawer for me until we get back 0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:10.200 from the mean. So he said, all right, put in 0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:13.000 the drawer, walked around the corner with the Russell crib. 0:56:13.560 --> 0:56:16.319 Russell was a no show. They're like, oh, Russell got 0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:19.440 caught up. Y'all gonna meet with Leo instead in the office. 0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:21.640 Everyone has a Leo story. 0:56:22.080 --> 0:56:24.279 So we're like, all right, bet So we go back 0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:27.839 to Death Jam. We meet with Leo. We play Leo 0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:33.160 our music. He listening, then he stops the music. He's like, 0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:36.759 I can't do nothing with y'all. We're like why. He's like, 0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:40.480 how old are y'all? So we were about fifteen sixteen 0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:42.520 at this time. He's like, y'all, First of all, y'all 0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:45.440 look like y'all nine years old or something. Y'all cursing 0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:48.200 like sailors, y'all talking about criminal crazy shit. 0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:50.800 He said, I'm gonna get sued. They're gonna sue Death. 0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:53.319 Jam for putting this on the radio and do all this, 0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:55.000 that and the third like, there's no way I can 0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:56.960 get this played on the radio. There's no way I 0:56:56.960 --> 0:57:01.080 could get this. They're gonna ban y'all. Basically, he told 0:57:01.160 --> 0:57:02.880 us like he's like, I can't do nothing with you. 0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:04.920 I'm sorry, and We're like. 0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:05.720 That's crazy. 0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:08.880 We like what We was like, what the fuck is 0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:12.040 wrong with this dude? Like he didn't understand the music. 0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:14.520 He didn't I don't know. He didn't get it. He 0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:16.840 didn't like it, that's his choice whatever. So we was like, 0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:19.919 all right, fuck it. We wasn't mad at anything. We 0:57:19.920 --> 0:57:22.520 was a little upset, like I fucked this nigger. He 0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:25.680 don't know, but we didn't give a fuck. We was like, 0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:27.360 all right, on to the next label. We're gonna go 0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:29.800 to it. We're gonna we're gonna finally find someplace. So 0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:33.880 we go downstairs and uh, before we leave, you know, 0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:38.160 they had all these posters hanging up in the office and. 0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:40.400 They had like the Great Adventures of Slick Rick frame. 0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:43.480 They had like big Daddy cane ship everybody shit framed 0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:46.960 in it, and uh, daylight just dropped, uh de los 0:57:47.000 --> 0:57:49.920 Solo's dad. So I wanted one of those posters. They 0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:52.160 had the ill dey Lo Soulo's dad post. I wanted 0:57:52.320 --> 0:57:53.720 hanging up in my room. You know that was that 0:57:53.800 --> 0:57:56.000 back in the day, shit hanging sh up in your 0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:59.280 room or whatnot. So I told my man that helped 0:57:59.280 --> 0:57:59.880 the gun for me. 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:00.360 Drawer. 0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:02.720 I was like, Yo, get us some posters before we bounced. 0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:04.080 You know what I'm saying. He said, ah, right, I'm 0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:06.800 hook go up. So he went, got up some posters. 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:09.760 So me and Half is at his desk. So I'm like, oh, Ship, 0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:12.360 the gun is in the drawer, son, So Half get 0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:15.040 the gun out of the drawer. He points it at me. 0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:16.960 I'm like, yo, chill, Son, that she got you know 0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:18.480 what I mean, she got bullets. And he's like, I'm 0:58:18.480 --> 0:58:20.560 just playing with you, my nigga. I ain't head, I'm 0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:23.360 just playing. Calm down. I'm like, chill, don't point guns 0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:24.200 at people, my nigga. 0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:24.439 Chill. 0:58:25.200 --> 0:58:27.200 So did my man come back with on the posters. 0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:31.080 He's like, yo, here he put the posters down to 0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:34.640 half point the gun at him, like, YO, give me 0:58:34.680 --> 0:58:36.640 them posters, nigga. 0:58:40.000 --> 0:58:46.880 By mistake, they got to go. They got to yo. 0:58:47.040 --> 0:58:52.960 You think, my nigga. Everything went in slow motion after. 0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:55.280 That, literally literally. 0:58:57.080 --> 0:58:59.640 Everything turned misty and went slow motion. 0:59:00.960 --> 0:59:03.960 I remember literally like I don't know why that happens, 0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:06.080 but I guess in the heat of moments like that. 0:59:06.600 --> 0:59:12.360 Just so Half drops the gun like he we both like, 0:59:12.400 --> 0:59:15.680 oh Ship, what the fuck? Like being shocked? You know, 0:59:15.720 --> 0:59:19.280 what I mean, have boats out? The boats out, the door, 0:59:19.880 --> 0:59:21.960 runs downstairs like, oh ship, I'm out. 0:59:22.280 --> 0:59:23.960 So I'm like, oh, you're not leaving me in here. 0:59:24.000 --> 0:59:24.680 I start tasting. 0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:26.400 I start chasing behind. 0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:29.120 Him, like wait, my dumb man one, did you at 0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:31.320 least take the poster because that day are so supposed to. 0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:37.600 I wasn't even thinking about no more at that point. 0:59:37.640 --> 0:59:39.880 Oh, you're not hard to sit on eBay right now. 0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:41.440 I was like, not, you're trying to get low. 0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:43.080 He trying to get the fuck out of it at 0:59:43.120 --> 0:59:43.560 that point. 0:59:43.760 --> 0:59:47.680 So half ran out the door, knocked d M C 0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:52.080 damn m running was coming in the building, knocked the 0:59:52.440 --> 0:59:53.760 One of the niggas fell on the floor. I don't 0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:57.000 remember who because he busted. He like ran out and 0:59:57.040 --> 0:59:57.919 busted through the door. 0:59:58.040 --> 1:00:00.600 So one of them fell down. We and we're running 1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:03.560 up the block and crazy way to meet. 1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:07.520 By the way, I heard somebody screaming behind me. Stop 1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:09.640 them kids, Yo, stop them kids. 1:00:10.160 --> 1:00:13.520 So I'm like, look, and it's sucking. At least he is. 1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:21.640 Chasing Oh god, so he's chasing us. 1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:23.720 Oh he cheaps chasing me. 1:00:24.800 --> 1:00:27.000 I'm like, yo, this is chasing us. 1:00:30.040 --> 1:00:32.240 So we get down to Houston, right we get down 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:34.360 to the house and have stop have his. 1:00:34.400 --> 1:00:36.400 Wild like, Yo, son, it was a mistake. I didn't 1:00:36.400 --> 1:00:37.640 mean to do that. It was a mistake. I'm like, 1:00:37.640 --> 1:00:39.640 you cal him down. Cal him down, my nigga, dona 1:00:39.640 --> 1:00:43.320 al right, this chill relaxed. He's wounding though. He's like 1:00:43.720 --> 1:00:45.280 ter because he didn't mean to do that. Ship like 1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:47.520 you know what I'm saying. So he's woulding. I'm trying 1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:49.080 to get him to calm down. And I see a D. 1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:51.360 I see a detective call pull up a mall car. 1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:53.720 You know, we know what the DS look like. So 1:00:53.800 --> 1:00:55.280 I've seen the D. I said, oh, I said, you 1:00:55.360 --> 1:00:57.960 have till the jeesus there because have it screaming like 1:00:57.960 --> 1:01:02.240 I ain't mean to shoot him, I ain't chips on 1:01:02.320 --> 1:01:04.520 the Z right here, chill, my nigga. So they see 1:01:04.600 --> 1:01:07.240 him bugging, so they stopped the car. They get out, 1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:10.160 they're like, Yo's what's going on. He's like, Yo, I 1:01:10.160 --> 1:01:11.720 didn't mean to do it. I didn't mean to do it. 1:01:12.200 --> 1:01:16.800 I'm like, oh my god, here come alist yo. Get 1:01:16.840 --> 1:01:21.440 the They put the handcuffs on half because half is 1:01:21.440 --> 1:01:22.640 sitting there basically confessing. 1:01:22.960 --> 1:01:24.320 He's like, I didn't mean to do it. It was 1:01:24.360 --> 1:01:26.240 a mistake. They're like, oh no, it's gonna be all right. 1:01:26.280 --> 1:01:30.240 Put your hand body back. Lord. I'm like, oh my god. Man. 1:01:30.400 --> 1:01:32.440 So they let me and my man Prince a d 1:01:32.600 --> 1:01:34.360 that was our DJ at the time. They let us go, 1:01:35.040 --> 1:01:39.919 took half. I go home, go to sleep right, wake 1:01:40.000 --> 1:01:43.000 up the next morning, and go to school. My mom's 1:01:43.000 --> 1:01:45.680 always got w b LS playing on the clock radio 1:01:45.720 --> 1:01:49.440 in the morning. So I heard on the radio they like, uh, 1:01:49.760 --> 1:01:53.400 yesterday there was a shooting in this jam office over 1:01:53.520 --> 1:01:58.280 contracts the artist some artists. Uh they wouldn't sign the 1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:01.439 artist or the artist shot somebody in the office. That's 1:02:01.440 --> 1:02:04.280 what they said on the radio. So I'm sitting there 1:02:04.320 --> 1:02:06.200 listen to it. I didn't even tell my mom putting 1:02:06.200 --> 1:02:08.480 two and two together. I don't even know what's going on. 1:02:08.560 --> 1:02:10.640 So when I heard that, I was like, I was like, 1:02:10.680 --> 1:02:13.080 oh my god. So now like reality is hitting me 1:02:13.120 --> 1:02:15.680 because I'm just waking up and I'm like, it's a 1:02:15.720 --> 1:02:18.080 new day right now. I'm like, Reality's hit me. What 1:02:18.200 --> 1:02:21.840 just happened yesterday? So now my brain kicks in the 1:02:23.040 --> 1:02:24.320 how we're gonna get out of this mold? 1:02:24.840 --> 1:02:25.520 You know what I'm saying? 1:02:25.920 --> 1:02:28.640 And I'm like all right, and right away I just 1:02:28.640 --> 1:02:30.600 came out with a story. All right, we thought it 1:02:30.640 --> 1:02:31.400 was a lighter. 1:02:33.560 --> 1:02:34.720 In the village downtown. 1:02:34.760 --> 1:02:36.880 They got the little lighters at the smoke shops, little 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:40.280 gun lighters, Razelle used. So I'm like, yo, and my mom, 1:02:40.360 --> 1:02:42.480 I'm like, all right, we got to think of something quick. 1:02:43.160 --> 1:02:45.360 So right away, I'm like, yo, we thought we found 1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:48.040 it outside. We thought it was a lighter. We was 1:02:48.080 --> 1:02:49.560 playing with it and shit went off, you know what 1:02:49.600 --> 1:02:52.480 I'm saying. So you know, I had to go to 1:02:52.520 --> 1:02:55.080 the hospital kick it with the homie. They got hit 1:02:55.160 --> 1:02:57.360 and you know, let him know, like, listen, man, you 1:02:57.400 --> 1:02:59.120 know that was an accident. Man, you know what I'm saying. 1:02:59.560 --> 1:03:01.560 You guys to this story. You know what I'm saying, Like, 1:03:01.840 --> 1:03:05.000 otherwise it's gonna be bad for half. Like he was like, 1:03:05.040 --> 1:03:06.840 all right, you know what I'm saying. He looked out, 1:03:07.040 --> 1:03:08.840 you know what I'm saying, because you know it was 1:03:09.080 --> 1:03:10.280 it was a terrible mistake. 1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:12.600 But where a bullet goull man. 1:03:12.560 --> 1:03:17.400 Stomach after So yeah, that that that craziness happened. 1:03:17.880 --> 1:03:20.600 Y'all did not get signed to death jam presum nah? 1:03:20.880 --> 1:03:26.240 Then uh like or I leave about this like later, 1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:29.080 like now, But Nikki d remember. 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:33.160 That everything because she was there at the office, right. 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:39.680 Yeah, And after that she would always remind me. She 1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:45.120 would always remind me about that day. She'd be like, Yo, y'all, 1:03:45.120 --> 1:03:48.600 little niggas is bugged the fuck out. Ya, what's wrong 1:03:48.640 --> 1:03:51.560 with y'all? The cat got shot? He survived, Like, yeah, 1:03:51.840 --> 1:03:55.000 he was good man, you know. Fortunately, you know, everything 1:03:55.040 --> 1:03:57.600 worked out. And that's a crazy story he'll tell for 1:03:57.640 --> 1:04:00.000 the rest of his life. It's definitely a crazy story though. Man, 1:04:00.120 --> 1:04:02.440 after that Death Jam had security. You couldn't even walk 1:04:02.440 --> 1:04:03.320 in the building anymore. 1:04:03.440 --> 1:04:05.360 I was gonna say, because when I went to Jam, 1:04:05.400 --> 1:04:08.560 it was like freaking yeah, exactly. 1:04:10.200 --> 1:04:13.120 So how long is it till Fourth and Broadway comes 1:04:13.120 --> 1:04:14.840 in the picture? 1:04:15.200 --> 1:04:18.360 Fourth from Broadway is a company on the record company 1:04:18.360 --> 1:04:24.080 on island Death Jam, you know. So right after that, 1:04:24.440 --> 1:04:28.439 we uh, you know, after everything with that Death Jam ship, 1:04:28.520 --> 1:04:31.680 we uh, you know, we continue to make demos and 1:04:31.800 --> 1:04:35.880 just Q tip had brought us like into the industry, 1:04:35.920 --> 1:04:39.320 so we started meeting different people and finding out. We 1:04:39.360 --> 1:04:42.959 started finding out about industry parties, you know what I'm saying, 1:04:42.960 --> 1:04:45.920 because they would tell us there was a party over here, Tonight, 1:04:46.000 --> 1:04:48.240 Party of It Tonight. So we started being in the 1:04:48.280 --> 1:04:52.240 loop of all the industry parties at that point, UH 1:04:52.440 --> 1:04:56.160 talent shows. Kick Capri would do these talent shows or 1:04:56.160 --> 1:04:58.600 whoever got the best verse a song, you get one 1:04:58.640 --> 1:05:02.320 hundred dollars. We won one of those one night. We 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:05.360 were just going around different functions New York City, talent shows, 1:05:05.400 --> 1:05:10.000 different party, industry parties, and a homie from a high school, Derek, 1:05:10.120 --> 1:05:13.480 that put us together. That kid that was in my 1:05:13.480 --> 1:05:16.800 photography class. His moms used to work for w ball 1:05:16.880 --> 1:05:21.080 Les and she was like cool with Puff, so he 1:05:21.440 --> 1:05:24.760 arranged the meeting with us in Puff. So we got 1:05:24.800 --> 1:05:28.880 real cool with Puff right away, and Puff would invite 1:05:28.920 --> 1:05:30.400 us to all his parties he was that's when he 1:05:30.440 --> 1:05:33.080 was a club promoter at that time, heavy doing club promotion, 1:05:33.760 --> 1:05:36.560 and we used to go to all of the Puff parties, 1:05:36.600 --> 1:05:39.760 you know what I mean, at the building the Red Zone. 1:05:40.480 --> 1:05:43.720 So we started really being at all the functions and 1:05:43.800 --> 1:05:46.960 hanging out and people started knowing us, you know what 1:05:47.000 --> 1:05:47.320 I mean. 1:05:48.000 --> 1:05:51.320 And Maddy c got a whold of our demo. 1:05:51.840 --> 1:05:54.200 Mattie see from the source. Yeah, he got a. 1:05:54.200 --> 1:05:57.520 Whold of our demo and he put us in the 1:05:57.600 --> 1:06:00.840 Unsigned Hype column that he did. And because of the 1:06:00.920 --> 1:06:06.080 Unsigned Hype column and Maddie See's other homeboy Bones alone, yep, 1:06:06.760 --> 1:06:09.280 they was like they found interest. 1:06:09.040 --> 1:06:10.920 In us from that, and they was like, Yo, we 1:06:11.000 --> 1:06:12.120 want to have a meeting with y'all. 1:06:13.080 --> 1:06:15.800 Bones brought us up there, Maddie and we met Cookie 1:06:15.920 --> 1:06:20.640 Gonzales and uh we met uh Chris Blackwell, you know 1:06:20.680 --> 1:06:24.200 what I mean. So they brought us in to meet Chris. 1:06:24.920 --> 1:06:28.040 We sat down with Chris. Chris was an interesting dude. 1:06:28.120 --> 1:06:28.880 Yeah, what was that like? 1:06:28.920 --> 1:06:31.680 Because Chris is like that was very interesting. 1:06:31.720 --> 1:06:34.520 He was sitting there rolling up some hash and I 1:06:34.520 --> 1:06:36.120 ain't I've never seen hash before. 1:06:36.520 --> 1:06:39.680 He had a big roll of black hash and I'm like, Yo, 1:06:39.760 --> 1:06:43.480 what is that? It's hash? Smoke it. So I'm like 1:06:43.680 --> 1:06:44.800 all right. He was like, want to try it. 1:06:44.800 --> 1:06:48.400 I'm like, hell yeah, were smoking hash with Chris Blackwell 1:06:48.400 --> 1:06:48.920 in the office. 1:06:48.920 --> 1:06:50.400 He's like, y'all, I really like y'all, man, I want 1:06:50.400 --> 1:06:51.080 to sign y'all up. 1:06:51.320 --> 1:06:52.600 You know what I mean? Do it deal with y'all? 1:06:53.080 --> 1:06:57.120 Did he ever interject I've never met Chris Blackwell without 1:06:57.200 --> 1:06:59.840 at least him interjecting Bob Marley's story. 1:07:00.280 --> 1:07:01.040 I'm sure he did. 1:07:01.920 --> 1:07:03.960 I'm sure he did, especially when we were smoking, you 1:07:04.000 --> 1:07:05.760 know what I mean, he probably said something like that. 1:07:07.120 --> 1:07:09.000 But at this time, you know, they had rock him, 1:07:09.080 --> 1:07:11.120 every being rock him before, not at this time, but 1:07:11.320 --> 1:07:14.480 they had in the past every being rock Him and 1:07:14.760 --> 1:07:19.360 the newer, more updated artists on fourth from Bro excellent 1:07:19.760 --> 1:07:22.800 was mop you know what I mean. They had a 1:07:22.800 --> 1:07:26.040 song called the Hill that's real. Uh And how about 1:07:26.040 --> 1:07:28.800 some hollcore that was on fourth from Bro. At this 1:07:28.920 --> 1:07:32.800 time when Chris is signing us, so he offered us 1:07:32.840 --> 1:07:35.640 a deal. He was like, hell, yeah, we want that. 1:07:35.680 --> 1:07:37.040 We're taking it, you know what I mean. So we 1:07:37.120 --> 1:07:41.480 did the deal with Alan and basically it was the 1:07:41.480 --> 1:07:43.439 same thing. He ain't tried to tell us what to do. 1:07:44.520 --> 1:07:45.439 They basically just. 1:07:47.160 --> 1:07:50.120 I mean Cookie and Bones was like, you know the. 1:07:50.520 --> 1:07:53.280 Bones, that's dope. No Bones know us. 1:07:53.320 --> 1:07:55.160 Like he started hanging out with us and seeing how 1:07:55.200 --> 1:07:55.400 we are. 1:07:55.600 --> 1:07:56.680 He like, just leave. 1:07:56.800 --> 1:07:58.960 Let them niggas do them. They know what they're doing 1:07:59.040 --> 1:07:59.960 and they know what they want. 1:08:00.120 --> 1:08:01.480 Like, you know what I mean, how old are you doing? 1:08:01.680 --> 1:08:02.240 At this point? 1:08:02.280 --> 1:08:03.040 We're like sixteen? 1:08:04.040 --> 1:08:05.200 Are you going to school still? 1:08:05.240 --> 1:08:06.320 And were in high school? 1:08:06.320 --> 1:08:09.120 But at this point it's like I'm about to drop 1:08:09.160 --> 1:08:11.560 out because now I'm one day, I'm like sleeping in 1:08:11.560 --> 1:08:13.280 the crib. My mom's wake me up, like I'm gonna 1:08:13.280 --> 1:08:15.120 be late for school. I woke up, I said, Mom, 1:08:15.120 --> 1:08:15.840 I'm not going to school. 1:08:16.080 --> 1:08:17.120 And how did she take that? 1:08:17.320 --> 1:08:20.439 She was like, oh, she was like okay, what she left. 1:08:20.439 --> 1:08:24.360 And then when she came back from work and she 1:08:24.439 --> 1:08:27.160 thought about it, she said something, are you going to 1:08:27.280 --> 1:08:28.120 pay some risks? 1:08:28.280 --> 1:08:32.000 She just she was just like okay, because she's I 1:08:32.000 --> 1:08:34.120 guess she's seen what I was doing with my career, 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:35.160 you know what I mean. 1:08:35.280 --> 1:08:37.360 She was helping me, like do it. 1:08:37.600 --> 1:08:39.320 You don't have any resistance in your family. 1:08:39.680 --> 1:08:41.880 Nah, not with like, you know, I come from an 1:08:41.960 --> 1:08:43.200 entertainment family, so. 1:08:43.120 --> 1:08:45.880 They like they was encouraging the family trade, right, but 1:08:45.880 --> 1:08:47.679 it's still hip hop, so you know, it's so different. 1:08:47.840 --> 1:08:50.640 It's definitely different. So they my mom was scared. She 1:08:50.840 --> 1:08:54.040 was like apprehensive. When Chris wanted to sign us and 1:08:54.120 --> 1:08:57.880 he actually did some kind of thing where we didn't 1:08:58.080 --> 1:09:02.599 need our parents consent. Wow, that pissed my mom's off. 1:09:03.040 --> 1:09:04.679 She was like, all that, he's a piece of ship. 1:09:04.960 --> 1:09:07.639 He did say, went around our backs and signed y'all. 1:09:07.680 --> 1:09:08.800 Without uh. 1:09:09.640 --> 1:09:11.519 But we was like, ma, chill man, you know what 1:09:11.560 --> 1:09:11.960 I'm saying. 1:09:11.960 --> 1:09:13.559 So the new edition story ain't happening to y'all. 1:09:13.600 --> 1:09:15.920 Y'all used to manage us, took. 1:09:16.240 --> 1:09:17.400 And then how do they go behind her? 1:09:17.439 --> 1:09:20.679 That's crazy at this time, she's managing us for a minute. 1:09:20.720 --> 1:09:23.160 And then we fired her because. 1:09:27.240 --> 1:09:29.679 Because she was like, we did the talent show right before, 1:09:29.800 --> 1:09:31.760 right before we got signed the fourth row. We did 1:09:31.760 --> 1:09:33.240 the talent show. It was like a New York City 1:09:34.080 --> 1:09:35.559 some towns show New York you used to do all 1:09:35.560 --> 1:09:39.360 the time. And we we had through like auditions, rehearsals 1:09:39.439 --> 1:09:41.000 or whatever it is, and we're going through our song 1:09:41.320 --> 1:09:42.600 and our song got curses in it. 1:09:43.000 --> 1:09:45.880 The chorus of the song go oh. 1:09:45.320 --> 1:09:49.200 Ship, here we go, Yo, oh Ship, here we go. 1:09:49.280 --> 1:09:51.720 That's the whole chorus, you know what I'm saying. So 1:09:51.880 --> 1:09:52.880 we put it on. 1:09:53.360 --> 1:09:55.519 We like doing our ship and they're like, oh stopped 1:09:55.520 --> 1:09:57.360 the music stopping. They was like, yo, you can't curse 1:09:57.640 --> 1:10:00.680 in this talent show. We're like what they like, you 1:10:00.720 --> 1:10:03.320 can't curse you you have to change the curses or 1:10:03.400 --> 1:10:05.680 doing the song. We're like, we're not changing nothing, man, 1:10:05.760 --> 1:10:09.040 We're not doing this man. Fuck your show and we 1:10:09.040 --> 1:10:12.760 we walked up. My mom was like, what's wrong with y'all? 1:10:13.280 --> 1:10:15.200 So she sat us down like right after that, she 1:10:15.280 --> 1:10:17.479 was like, you can't do that. You can't you can't 1:10:17.479 --> 1:10:20.000 disrespect people like that. You just can't take the curses out. 1:10:20.280 --> 1:10:22.240 We was like, yo, listen, we're gonna stick to what 1:10:22.280 --> 1:10:23.200 we do. 1:10:23.240 --> 1:10:23.680 You know what I mean. 1:10:23.720 --> 1:10:26.160 We don't want nobody trying to change us. We was 1:10:26.200 --> 1:10:27.519 hard headed, like you know what I mean. 1:10:27.720 --> 1:10:30.599 Have pridect. I gotta say. 1:10:32.160 --> 1:10:36.559 Three times I've heard you easily walk away from some 1:10:36.640 --> 1:10:38.720 shit that could sort. 1:10:38.439 --> 1:10:39.840 Of maybe sort of change your life. 1:10:40.640 --> 1:10:43.720 What I've never heard nihilism to this level where it's 1:10:43.760 --> 1:10:47.080 just like I'm out, I can walk away. 1:10:47.240 --> 1:10:49.479 What is it in you? Like, what's in your head 1:10:49.600 --> 1:10:52.920 that just be like all right, I walk away. I 1:10:52.960 --> 1:10:55.479 think we just we believed in what we were doing 1:10:55.560 --> 1:10:58.439 so much, like like I said, it was like a 1:10:58.640 --> 1:11:00.920 vibe that we had. We could just feel it. It 1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:03.559 was gonna work and nothing was gonna stop it. It 1:11:03.640 --> 1:11:05.360 was just a feeling, you know what I'm saying. Like 1:11:05.600 --> 1:11:07.880 we was like, oh, we got some shit. He don't 1:11:07.880 --> 1:11:09.519 know it, she don't know it. None of these people 1:11:09.600 --> 1:11:10.599 don't know what they talking about. 1:11:10.680 --> 1:11:12.360 You know what I'm saying, we got some. 1:11:12.320 --> 1:11:15.639 Shit because usually people by this point, people will either 1:11:16.600 --> 1:11:17.639 have a side meeting. 1:11:18.120 --> 1:11:19.920 Okay, maybe we can meet him at the fifty yard line. 1:11:19.960 --> 1:11:22.080 Let's compromise a little bit, you know what they want. 1:11:22.120 --> 1:11:24.439 And then you know, now we were really we were 1:11:24.479 --> 1:11:25.280 really hard headed. 1:11:25.479 --> 1:11:26.519 You were just like, oh. 1:11:26.400 --> 1:11:30.960 Really, we were really just stuck on what we were doing. 1:11:31.680 --> 1:11:34.480 Tunnel vision. We wasn't trying to hear nobody. 1:11:34.680 --> 1:11:38.800 We had something that didn't really exist, like you know 1:11:38.840 --> 1:11:39.360 what I'm saying. 1:11:39.400 --> 1:11:42.800 It was like the vibe that we had, you know, just. 1:11:42.760 --> 1:11:46.200 The the energy and the words and the style, the slang, 1:11:46.320 --> 1:11:49.240 everything was just it wasn't nothing like that, you know 1:11:49.240 --> 1:11:52.759 what I'm saying. And it was just like an changing 1:11:52.840 --> 1:11:54.920 of the guard at that time almost because you know, 1:11:55.400 --> 1:11:56.120 it was like you had the. 1:11:56.200 --> 1:11:59.000 Rock cams and the big daddy canes. 1:11:58.760 --> 1:12:01.320 And you know, the sent knees like when the Symphony 1:12:01.400 --> 1:12:03.400 came out, like that was what was popping when we 1:12:03.439 --> 1:12:06.760 was learning how to do rap. And then once we 1:12:06.800 --> 1:12:09.240 started getting in the studio, we started catching on how 1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:09.880 this ship works. 1:12:09.880 --> 1:12:11.840 And we was like, oh, we got this ship, Like 1:12:11.880 --> 1:12:12.800 we know how to do this ship. 1:12:12.920 --> 1:12:14.800 Right, we thought we did, you know what I'm saying, 1:12:14.800 --> 1:12:18.559 but it just it just made our minds like, oh, 1:12:18.560 --> 1:12:20.719 this is we want some new ship. Were a new generation. 1:12:20.920 --> 1:12:22.960 These motherfuckers don't know what they talking about. We got 1:12:22.960 --> 1:12:23.360 some ship. 1:12:23.439 --> 1:12:26.760 We're not trying to hear nobody, so that wasson. It 1:12:26.840 --> 1:12:30.920 was a fucked up attitude to have. But you know 1:12:30.960 --> 1:12:33.840 what I'm saying. So my mom was like, yo, you 1:12:33.880 --> 1:12:34.439 can't do that. 1:12:34.640 --> 1:12:36.800 So we was like, listen, if you if you're not 1:12:36.840 --> 1:12:39.960 gonna follow what we're saying and believe in us to 1:12:40.040 --> 1:12:43.680 the maximum and fuck everybody else, then we can't work with. 1:12:43.640 --> 1:12:44.040 You no more. 1:12:48.120 --> 1:12:51.880 Mom get sixteen and she was like she was like 1:12:51.920 --> 1:12:54.479 all right, She was like all right, cool. See when 1:12:54.520 --> 1:12:57.000 I get home, she was like, she was like, that's 1:12:57.000 --> 1:12:59.200 a very bad attitude to have. You know what I mean, 1:12:59.280 --> 1:13:01.000 that was a very bad attitude to have. You're not 1:13:01.000 --> 1:13:03.479 going to get fun life with that attitude. She gave 1:13:03.520 --> 1:13:05.840 me the whole spiel of that whole thing, but we 1:13:05.880 --> 1:13:06.479 wasn't trying. 1:13:06.320 --> 1:13:06.680 To hear it. 1:13:06.720 --> 1:13:08.920 So it's like when you fire your moms, what happens 1:13:08.920 --> 1:13:09.639 when you get home? 1:13:09.760 --> 1:13:10.759 Like is it just normal? 1:13:10.880 --> 1:13:12.040 Like? Right? 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:17.760 I mean at that time, I wasn't I was kind 1:13:17.800 --> 1:13:19.959 of I wasn't going home anymore. 1:13:20.680 --> 1:13:23.320 I was at the out the house already, you know 1:13:23.360 --> 1:13:23.800 what I'm saying. 1:13:23.840 --> 1:13:26.559 I would stay at half crib, I would stay at 1:13:26.560 --> 1:13:29.440 my grandmother crib. I would pop up my mom's crib sometimes. 1:13:29.479 --> 1:13:32.080 Like we were just bouncing everywhere. I was staying in 1:13:32.080 --> 1:13:34.639 the in the Bronx with my homie from school, staying 1:13:34.640 --> 1:13:37.240 in Brooklyn with my homie Illog from school. 1:13:38.360 --> 1:13:38.840 You know what I mean. 1:13:38.840 --> 1:13:40.360 We were just everywhere. 1:13:40.400 --> 1:13:43.200 Man were young, active, trying to get on like you 1:13:43.200 --> 1:13:44.559 know what I mean. I wasn't thinking, but I adn't 1:13:44.640 --> 1:13:46.720 want to be in the house with my mom's Like 1:13:46.760 --> 1:13:48.160 you know what I'm saying, I'm out of here. We're 1:13:48.200 --> 1:13:51.160 going to Coney Allen, we popping, we stay in the weekend. 1:13:52.160 --> 1:13:54.000 We was just having fun and doing what we're doing 1:13:54.080 --> 1:13:55.560 and creating ourselves. 1:14:00.600 --> 1:14:04.720 So even even though Juvenile didn't, Juvenile Hell didn't necessarily 1:14:04.760 --> 1:14:07.160 do the numbers. I mean it did get you guys, 1:14:07.520 --> 1:14:09.240 so notice amongst industry people. 1:14:09.280 --> 1:14:16.639 So check this out. Our arrogant asshole attitude. Right, That's 1:14:16.680 --> 1:14:21.280 why that album came out like and underperformed, and it 1:14:21.400 --> 1:14:24.800 was like not really, we didn't put our heart in soul. 1:14:24.840 --> 1:14:28.120 We didn't put our We didn't understand that this ship 1:14:28.200 --> 1:14:31.000 is not a joke, Like you can't just do whatever 1:14:31.080 --> 1:14:33.439 and people supposed to kiss your ass and like it. 1:14:33.720 --> 1:14:35.840 You got to make timeless, you got to make some 1:14:35.960 --> 1:14:37.880 ship that's standing and test the time. 1:14:38.160 --> 1:14:39.160 And we didn't understand that. 1:14:39.200 --> 1:14:42.559 We was very arrogant. We was very you know, cocky 1:14:42.600 --> 1:14:46.720 on some bullshit. And that's why that product came out. 1:14:46.840 --> 1:14:49.040 And then a couple of months later, Naves dropped Illmatic 1:14:51.560 --> 1:14:56.080 that brought us down to reality. 1:14:57.280 --> 1:14:58.639 Have you met Naves before? 1:14:58.920 --> 1:15:03.040 Like to on the block together. We're all trying to 1:15:03.040 --> 1:15:05.320 get on at the same time, you know what I mean. 1:15:05.960 --> 1:15:07.720 We're all trying to get on. Nas had Love at 1:15:07.760 --> 1:15:11.120 the Barbecue. He had the song on the Zebra soundtrack 1:15:11.200 --> 1:15:14.360 the halftime, So this is all at the same time. 1:15:14.400 --> 1:15:17.240 While we're doing Juvenile Hell, Nas had the Zebra halftime 1:15:17.280 --> 1:15:18.720 ship and you. 1:15:18.680 --> 1:15:19.120 Know what I mean. 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:21.760 And we go off on a little promo run and 1:15:21.920 --> 1:15:24.320 we up we're doing an in store one day in DC. 1:15:24.960 --> 1:15:28.080 We're doing an instore for Juvenile Hell, and we walk 1:15:28.120 --> 1:15:31.200 into the instore and Illmatic is playing. We never heard 1:15:31.200 --> 1:15:33.439 it before. So we listen, we're sitting there like this. 1:15:34.479 --> 1:15:37.320 We look at each other like you hit the ship. 1:15:38.280 --> 1:15:42.800 We're like, oh ship, yeah. 1:15:41.560 --> 1:15:47.000 Packed this ship up. Were like, yo, pack this ship up. 1:15:47.040 --> 1:15:47.240 Man. 1:15:47.240 --> 1:15:50.599 We went about this all wrong, you know what I'm saying. 1:15:50.960 --> 1:15:53.840 And that brought us down to reality. Basically, that gave 1:15:53.920 --> 1:15:54.799 us that was a reality. 1:15:54.880 --> 1:15:58.240 Good thing because that was a reality. 1:16:00.640 --> 1:16:03.600 It was right point, you know what I mean. But 1:16:04.760 --> 1:16:07.120 you know, right right then, we've seen it. We've seen 1:16:07.160 --> 1:16:10.120 it before before we even got dropped. We already knew, 1:16:10.160 --> 1:16:13.000 oh all right, we fucked up, you know what I'm saying, 1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:14.120 because we can hear the difference. 1:16:14.720 --> 1:16:17.360 We can hear it. There was a big difference. 1:16:17.320 --> 1:16:20.679 Between the you know, the thought that was put into 1:16:20.760 --> 1:16:22.840 making the music, you know what I'm saying, The thought 1:16:22.880 --> 1:16:25.880 that was put into making writing the lyrics, making the beats. 1:16:26.479 --> 1:16:28.920 He put some serious thought into that, and we didn't. 1:16:29.400 --> 1:16:31.800 We were just fucking around being little dumb ass kids 1:16:31.840 --> 1:16:33.679 like you know what I'm saying, like feeling ourselves. 1:16:33.720 --> 1:16:35.519 Yeah we got a wrap deal, Yeah I got gold tooth. 1:16:35.560 --> 1:16:36.479 Yeah, like you know what I'm saying. 1:16:38.040 --> 1:16:41.920 So how far like when did suddenly become like okay, 1:16:42.360 --> 1:16:44.920 this serious business so we got a lot of people 1:16:44.960 --> 1:16:47.559 still feel as though that's your first record. 1:16:47.920 --> 1:16:48.839 When we got dropped. 1:16:49.280 --> 1:16:52.479 That's when when we heard the ill Matic Alum and 1:16:52.520 --> 1:16:54.559 then we got dropped maybe a couple of weeks later 1:16:54.640 --> 1:16:55.280 or whatever whatever. 1:16:55.880 --> 1:16:57.960 We were just like in the sunken place. 1:17:01.640 --> 1:17:04.040 It was like, we gotta get the funk out of here, Yo, 1:17:04.080 --> 1:17:07.479 we gotta. We was like, no, no, this can't happen. 1:17:07.600 --> 1:17:07.760 You know. 1:17:08.240 --> 1:17:10.400 So you be making a second album and then. 1:17:11.840 --> 1:17:14.360 Yo, our hearts was broken. You know what I'm saying. 1:17:14.360 --> 1:17:16.280 Because we was like, Yo, this is what we want 1:17:16.280 --> 1:17:19.240 to do with our life. We're not playing with this ship. 1:17:19.520 --> 1:17:21.599 We just went about it the wrong way. We had 1:17:21.600 --> 1:17:23.360 the wrong attitude, you know what I'm saying. 1:17:23.400 --> 1:17:26.760 So we was like hold hold no, It's like we 1:17:26.760 --> 1:17:28.920 was like no, you know what I'm saying, Like, we 1:17:28.960 --> 1:17:31.599 gotta we gotta show people who we are. 1:17:31.640 --> 1:17:33.800 We gotta tell our story the right way. We gotta 1:17:34.400 --> 1:17:38.000 put like I said, put thought and put meaning and 1:17:38.000 --> 1:17:40.240 put your soul, put your heart into the music, like 1:17:40.280 --> 1:17:42.160 you know what I mean, tell your story, man, like 1:17:42.200 --> 1:17:42.880 you know what I'm saying. 1:17:43.160 --> 1:17:45.360 So we was just. 1:17:45.320 --> 1:17:47.759 We went in and we had that attitude like yo, listen, 1:17:47.960 --> 1:17:49.639 this is what we want to do for our rest 1:17:49.680 --> 1:17:50.200 of our life. 1:17:51.120 --> 1:17:52.080 We just got dropped. 1:17:52.240 --> 1:17:55.600 We feel like the biggest losers ever were going to 1:17:55.720 --> 1:17:56.120 the hood. 1:17:56.560 --> 1:17:58.360 Everybody laughing on us on the lower end. 1:17:58.479 --> 1:17:59.040 Na just drop. 1:17:59.080 --> 1:17:59.599 The man. 1:18:01.160 --> 1:18:05.800 Just now was looking at us like like you know 1:18:05.840 --> 1:18:08.400 what I'm saying, Like they laughing at us on the low. 1:18:08.600 --> 1:18:11.400 So we we like went in regroup and we had 1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:13.679 the attitude like you know, we're not We're not gonna 1:18:13.960 --> 1:18:15.040 this ain't gonna happen again. 1:18:15.680 --> 1:18:16.360 You know what I'm saying. 1:18:16.760 --> 1:18:21.559 One for sure, this is never gonna happen again, you 1:18:21.560 --> 1:18:25.000 know what I'm saying. And so did you have the 1:18:24.640 --> 1:18:27.920 the well, I know that at that point, uh Matt 1:18:27.920 --> 1:18:31.639 started working at loud correct Uh yeah, right or right 1:18:31.680 --> 1:18:35.280 around that time, Matt got a job at loud Loud. 1:18:35.880 --> 1:18:37.680 They was just like a cubicle inside the r c 1:18:37.800 --> 1:18:41.640 A office, right, They had pm D I think his 1:18:41.680 --> 1:18:45.320 first solo album. Yeah, they had the Alcoholics and they 1:18:45.360 --> 1:18:48.120 had just signed Wu Tang you know what I'm saying. 1:18:48.560 --> 1:18:52.960 So, uh yeah, we we regrouped after that with that mentality. 1:18:53.000 --> 1:18:55.479 We was like, oh hell no, that's when we really 1:18:55.520 --> 1:18:58.160 started going in making our own beats. That's when I 1:18:58.200 --> 1:19:00.000 was like, I was teaching half, you know what I mean, 1:19:00.160 --> 1:19:04.240 during that time the juvenile hell and transitioning over to 1:19:04.360 --> 1:19:06.560 making this new demo. I was teaching half how to 1:19:06.600 --> 1:19:08.840 do the beasts and shit, and he was getting nice 1:19:08.840 --> 1:19:12.120 with it. So at first it was like I would 1:19:12.160 --> 1:19:14.200 make a baseline or some of some drums or something 1:19:14.240 --> 1:19:16.439 and then have her come add some shit to it, 1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:18.160 you know what i mean, and I'd. 1:19:18.040 --> 1:19:19.599 Be like, yo, yo, let me add, let me add something, 1:19:19.640 --> 1:19:21.479 let me change something. They'd be like, oh yeah, right, 1:19:21.560 --> 1:19:23.960 let me ask. So that that's how it was at first. 1:19:24.280 --> 1:19:26.480 After a while, I started. 1:19:26.080 --> 1:19:31.040 Listening and looking and have started looking possessed, Like you 1:19:31.040 --> 1:19:34.040 could just see it. He was fucking possessed, you know 1:19:34.160 --> 1:19:36.840 what I'm saying, And you could hear it. So I'm like, 1:19:37.320 --> 1:19:38.920 after a while, I was like, I don't even want 1:19:38.960 --> 1:19:40.720 to bother him, you know what I'm saying. Like I 1:19:40.720 --> 1:19:43.320 didn't want to be like, yo, let me add because 1:19:43.360 --> 1:19:45.280 he was in his groove, like you know what I'm saying. 1:19:45.280 --> 1:19:47.400 So I was like, let me just let him work, 1:19:47.520 --> 1:19:49.840 you know what I'm saying, and I'll just sitting he 1:19:49.880 --> 1:19:51.400 him right to run, you know what I'm saying, so 1:19:52.600 --> 1:19:54.439 it got like that. And plus he was hogging it 1:19:54.479 --> 1:19:56.760 a little something too. He was definitely hogging you know 1:19:56.800 --> 1:19:58.880 what I'm saying. He was like, holdo, hold up, said 1:19:58.880 --> 1:20:00.920 hold on, hold up, Uh Yo, come on, let me 1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:02.120 add you let hold on hold up. 1:20:02.880 --> 1:20:04.639 After a while, I'm like, all right, go ahead, man, 1:20:04.680 --> 1:20:05.240 you know what I'm saying. 1:20:05.240 --> 1:20:06.560 I'm gonna just I'm gonna go to store get a 1:20:06.640 --> 1:20:09.559 forty I'll be right back, come back to beat is done, 1:20:09.840 --> 1:20:11.840 and then I just write around to it. But then 1:20:11.880 --> 1:20:16.200 I also seen that. Have I seen Havoc become Havoc? 1:20:16.360 --> 1:20:17.800 I seen it, you know what I mean. I've seen 1:20:17.800 --> 1:20:19.840 it in his face. I heard it in the music. 1:20:20.280 --> 1:20:21.880 I just seen it look in his face while he 1:20:21.920 --> 1:20:23.559 was sitting there making the bees. I was like, wow, 1:20:23.600 --> 1:20:27.040 he's really he's really tapped in right now, like you 1:20:27.080 --> 1:20:27.639 know what I'm saying. 1:20:28.479 --> 1:20:30.479 So that's how that happened. 1:20:30.520 --> 1:20:33.320 And you know, Maddy brought us over to Steve. 1:20:33.760 --> 1:20:36.960 You heard our demos. He was like, Yo, yeah, motherfuckers, 1:20:37.040 --> 1:20:38.960 I got some shit now, I got a new job 1:20:39.000 --> 1:20:39.439 over here. 1:20:40.040 --> 1:20:41.679 I'm gonna bring I'm gonna bring you up to the office. 1:20:41.680 --> 1:20:45.280 Meet Steve Rifkin Ba boom Steve. He played music for Steve. 1:20:45.479 --> 1:20:48.120 Steve was like, y'all, I love it. He's like, I 1:20:48.120 --> 1:20:50.120 want to sign y'all, you know what I'm saying. But 1:20:50.240 --> 1:20:52.479 at the same time, we hanging out with Puff every day. 1:20:53.160 --> 1:20:55.920 So Puff is telling us about this new company that 1:20:55.960 --> 1:20:58.639 he wants to start called bad Boy, and he's like, yo, 1:20:58.680 --> 1:21:00.360 I want to I want you to be the first artists. 1:21:00.400 --> 1:21:03.560 I want to sign y'all the bad Boy WHOA. 1:21:03.680 --> 1:21:07.080 So we like, we hanging with Puff every night, you 1:21:07.120 --> 1:21:08.840 know what I'm saying at the clubs, he like, you 1:21:08.880 --> 1:21:09.640 want to sign us? 1:21:09.920 --> 1:21:12.280 Steve want to sign us. So we now now we're 1:21:12.280 --> 1:21:13.360 telling them, let's get some. 1:21:13.320 --> 1:21:19.160 Paperwork videos in those videos. Yeah, yeah, okay, I get 1:21:18.920 --> 1:21:26.040 it in the video. So basically, the deal that Steve 1:21:26.120 --> 1:21:28.559 offered us basically was more money. 1:21:28.880 --> 1:21:31.280 And that's the only reason why we took to Steve. 1:21:31.439 --> 1:21:34.280 What was the trade off, like, because usually with those 1:21:34.320 --> 1:21:37.120 things more money but less control power and something. 1:21:37.320 --> 1:21:40.120 Nah, it was it was it wasn't. It wasn't actually 1:21:40.200 --> 1:21:43.240 any trade off. I guess trade off was. 1:21:44.479 --> 1:21:46.080 The trade off was they probably got the key. 1:21:48.760 --> 1:21:52.080 They got to Maybe the trade off was also we 1:21:52.120 --> 1:21:55.200 didn't have to do all the glossyat other ship. Like 1:21:55.240 --> 1:21:57.280 you know what I'm saying, that was one good trade off, 1:21:57.360 --> 1:22:00.000 Like you know what I mean. But Puff had a vision, 1:22:00.560 --> 1:22:02.960 he had a vision for this company, and he wanted 1:22:03.040 --> 1:22:05.880 us to be the first artist on bad Boy. But 1:22:06.680 --> 1:22:09.000 Steve just so happened to offer us maybe like ten 1:22:09.040 --> 1:22:11.519 thousand dollars more than where Puff was offering. 1:22:11.960 --> 1:22:13.800 So we we just went with the Steve deal. 1:22:14.120 --> 1:22:16.800 Sou Steve was talking like, yo, listen, I'll give you 1:22:16.920 --> 1:22:19.080 all this deal to do what I want. It sounded 1:22:19.120 --> 1:22:22.040 like you already got your game mastered. Just do what 1:22:22.120 --> 1:22:22.920 I'll do, you know. 1:22:22.920 --> 1:22:23.400 What I'm saying. 1:22:24.600 --> 1:22:29.000 So we took the Loud deal, and you know, we 1:22:29.040 --> 1:22:31.920 started working on the Infamous album, you know what I'm saying. 1:22:31.960 --> 1:22:35.200 And you know, shout out to Mattie c. You know, 1:22:35.280 --> 1:22:38.599 shout out to Bones Malone, you know, Cookie Gonzales and 1:22:38.720 --> 1:22:42.000 you know Chris Blackwell and everybody that helped us out 1:22:42.000 --> 1:22:43.720 in the beginning and got us to that point, you 1:22:43.760 --> 1:22:46.080 know what I mean, where Steve Risker wanted to sign us. 1:22:46.520 --> 1:22:49.160 How did Q tip come back into the fold working 1:22:49.240 --> 1:22:51.240 working with y'all on the Infamous So. 1:22:52.000 --> 1:22:54.200 After we had you know, it was like eighty percent 1:22:54.240 --> 1:22:57.840 probably done, maybe sixty percent done maybe with the album, 1:22:58.160 --> 1:23:00.519 we was like, yo, let's call Tip. We want some beats. 1:23:00.640 --> 1:23:03.920 We want some beats fro Tip. So we reached out 1:23:03.920 --> 1:23:04.280 the Tip. 1:23:05.400 --> 1:23:05.839 Uh. 1:23:05.880 --> 1:23:07.680 He came and picked us up and he brought us 1:23:07.680 --> 1:23:11.080 his Crible Linden and uh, he was basically just played 1:23:11.160 --> 1:23:12.880 us mad records. He was like, tell me when you 1:23:12.920 --> 1:23:14.760 hear something you like, you know what I mean. So 1:23:14.800 --> 1:23:16.800 he was playing Mad Patresse Russian and he was playing 1:23:16.920 --> 1:23:19.840 all kind of ship that we so I think it 1:23:19.920 --> 1:23:21.240 was the Patris Russian one. 1:23:21.360 --> 1:23:24.240 With that LL did the song Pink Cookies in the 1:23:24.280 --> 1:23:25.000 plastic Bag. 1:23:27.439 --> 1:23:29.240 That's alright with me, yeah. 1:23:29.200 --> 1:23:32.880 So uh so, uh, he plays us that record and 1:23:32.960 --> 1:23:35.479 right away I recognized it from LL song. 1:23:35.800 --> 1:23:36.200 Mm hmm. 1:23:36.520 --> 1:23:38.040 But in my mind I was like, Yo, let's make 1:23:38.040 --> 1:23:40.840 a new Let's make a different version. Let's use that 1:23:40.920 --> 1:23:42.439 beat and make a different version the. 1:23:42.520 --> 1:23:43.559 Right way, you know what I'm saying. 1:23:45.120 --> 1:23:48.040 So uh, we picked a bunch of beats from him 1:23:48.080 --> 1:23:51.400 and we did some songs and basically we finished the 1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:55.519 album up. And when the album was done, we brought 1:23:55.640 --> 1:23:58.080 Qute to back in the studio to tweak. 1:23:57.840 --> 1:23:58.959 Up the mixes. 1:23:59.040 --> 1:24:00.640 Like you know what I'm saying, Like because he was 1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:02.639 nice with Dad, Like you know what I'm saying, fix 1:24:02.720 --> 1:24:05.639 the sounds here and there, do little things here and there, 1:24:05.720 --> 1:24:07.200 touch the knobs and shit, you know what I'm saying. 1:24:07.240 --> 1:24:10.880 And he basically like took what we did and like 1:24:11.160 --> 1:24:13.679 made it sound good. Like you know what I'm saying. 1:24:14.320 --> 1:24:16.320 Hooked us up with the good mix engineer is you 1:24:16.360 --> 1:24:18.840 know what I'm saying. So that was that was really 1:24:18.840 --> 1:24:20.840 good that we was able to work with him at 1:24:20.880 --> 1:24:21.320 that point. 1:24:21.360 --> 1:24:23.640 You know what I'm saying. Where you're listening to the 1:24:23.680 --> 1:24:24.720 quest of Supreme, we're here. 1:24:24.720 --> 1:24:27.080 We are a Prodigy of Mob Deep and Kathy Ianderley, 1:24:27.400 --> 1:24:30.679 journalists and co author of Prodigy's latest book, Commion Sary Kitchen, 1:24:30.960 --> 1:24:37.400 My infamous prison cookbook. Okay, I have to say that, 1:24:39.640 --> 1:24:43.000 you know the glory of hip hop and being alive 1:24:43.120 --> 1:24:46.519 doing the classic, doing the Renaissance and the classic period 1:24:46.680 --> 1:24:50.760 and all the periods of hip hop is you know 1:24:50.800 --> 1:24:56.840 when a song stops you in your tracks, yo, I 1:24:56.880 --> 1:24:58.880 will say. And the thing is, I don't think anyone 1:24:58.960 --> 1:25:01.599 is really properly put in context. 1:25:02.040 --> 1:25:06.559 Why shook ones? It's so culturally important? All right? 1:25:06.640 --> 1:25:09.920 Take it take it for someone shelter, someone sheltered like 1:25:10.000 --> 1:25:14.800 me that like, just listen to hip hop to really 1:25:14.920 --> 1:25:17.519 find out what's going out there, you know what I'm saying, 1:25:18.160 --> 1:25:20.080 Like I'm one of the I'm one of the dudes 1:25:20.120 --> 1:25:22.519 that the marketing people of def jam would have loved, 1:25:22.560 --> 1:25:26.240 because like when Onyx came out, I was like, Yo, this. 1:25:26.160 --> 1:25:28.479 Is real hardcore. Or like when Niggas for. 1:25:28.479 --> 1:25:32.360 Life came out, that was like, Yo, you were n 1:25:32.439 --> 1:25:34.960 w A saying this is so but I didn't realize 1:25:35.000 --> 1:25:36.799 that it was so over the top hardcore. 1:25:36.840 --> 1:25:39.800 Its cartoonish. It was cartoonish. 1:25:41.120 --> 1:25:46.400 And when I heard shook ones they did, I feel 1:25:46.439 --> 1:25:51.599 like if if Robert de Niro and al Pacino were 1:25:51.600 --> 1:25:52.599 making hip hop. 1:25:53.160 --> 1:25:53.880 That's what it would be. 1:25:54.200 --> 1:25:56.559 Well, because the glory and Robert de Niro on al 1:25:56.600 --> 1:25:59.439 Pacino's work is the fact that they're so dead seating. 1:26:00.280 --> 1:26:01.040 Yeah it's dead pan. 1:26:01.160 --> 1:26:04.839 You're more scared of someone that's silent and just deadpan 1:26:04.920 --> 1:26:08.040 as opposed to like someone's cartooning over the top. Then 1:26:08.040 --> 1:26:09.639 I don't take them serious. I'm like, oh, your your 1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:11.599 bark's worst thing, your bite, You're just being a cartoon. 1:26:12.360 --> 1:26:14.080 But the fact that they were saying the shit they 1:26:14.080 --> 1:26:18.720 were saying and such so deadpan about it. And too 1:26:18.760 --> 1:26:22.360 it was the visuals too, like the visual like that video, honest, 1:26:22.400 --> 1:26:24.960 see the video until later so I heard the song. 1:26:25.000 --> 1:26:27.360 It's just like yo, I saw we. 1:26:27.360 --> 1:26:29.680 Saw the video first. I saw the video first, and 1:26:29.720 --> 1:26:30.960 so for us. 1:26:30.960 --> 1:26:35.719 It was it was seeing the video and literally probably 1:26:35.760 --> 1:26:39.400 about a month after the video came out, I remember 1:26:39.479 --> 1:26:43.120 kids in my school come my homies had the Hennessy jerseys. 1:26:44.320 --> 1:26:45.759 Straight up. But yeah, it was something. 1:26:45.760 --> 1:26:47.719 It was just something that came through in that video 1:26:47.840 --> 1:26:50.479 that was like, I mean, being in the South, even 1:26:50.520 --> 1:26:52.600 though y'all were in New York, guys, that was just 1:26:52.680 --> 1:26:54.559 something I don't know, that was just. 1:26:56.479 --> 1:26:59.280 That was more New York to me, even any Wu 1:26:59.360 --> 1:27:04.640 Tang product any like to me, even even even on 1:27:05.240 --> 1:27:08.760 even on New York, New York, where like if you 1:27:08.800 --> 1:27:12.160 listen to the very h the first twenty seconds, but 1:27:12.680 --> 1:27:16.600 dark pounds New York, New York. I mean they're basically 1:27:16.720 --> 1:27:18.600 mocking what. 1:27:20.160 --> 1:27:20.400 You know. 1:27:20.600 --> 1:27:24.960 Like so for me, that's like lightning in a bottle 1:27:25.080 --> 1:27:30.680 you can't even capture. Like I guess the theme of 1:27:30.760 --> 1:27:33.760 Quest of Supreme is that whenever like these these monumentals 1:27:33.880 --> 1:27:37.280 hip hop moments happened. It's always an afterthought, like, yeah, 1:27:37.280 --> 1:27:41.720 we made this in like five minutes. What was the 1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:44.800 process behind shook ones or at that part too? 1:27:44.840 --> 1:27:46.519 It was part yeah because it was part one first, 1:27:46.560 --> 1:27:50.120 I had the master single with one on Yeah. 1:27:49.760 --> 1:27:53.320 Like why wasn't that push And I don't know it 1:27:53.400 --> 1:27:55.160 just it just happened the way it happened. I don't 1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:55.519 even know. 1:27:55.520 --> 1:27:59.200 Man, we made Paul one and uh I think we 1:27:59.280 --> 1:28:01.040 made we might have made they both of them around 1:28:01.080 --> 1:28:02.840 the same time. And then we put the part one 1:28:02.880 --> 1:28:05.920 out first, put the second one out and. 1:28:06.040 --> 1:28:09.200 Uh yeah, like we shock happened like that. 1:28:09.280 --> 1:28:12.599 We ain't shocked that at at it's the reception. 1:28:12.840 --> 1:28:16.880 And you know, every time we would make songs, this 1:28:16.920 --> 1:28:19.240 is how we would test our music. We'd be outside 1:28:19.240 --> 1:28:21.320 on the block with everybody. You know what I'm saying. 1:28:22.560 --> 1:28:26.000 Queensbridge is like I said, ninety six buildings is big. 1:28:26.160 --> 1:28:28.439 It's a big projects, a lot of people outside. Like 1:28:28.560 --> 1:28:29.760 we had a lot of friends, like you know what 1:28:29.760 --> 1:28:33.360 I mean, you know Brooklyn hanging out in Brooklyn and Bronx, 1:28:33.439 --> 1:28:35.360 same thing. We would hang out with all our friends 1:28:35.680 --> 1:28:37.600 and we would play our music and we want to 1:28:37.600 --> 1:28:39.200 see how people react to it, like you know what 1:28:39.240 --> 1:28:39.679 I'm saying. 1:28:40.040 --> 1:28:43.599 So you know what I'm saying. We and we got you. 1:28:43.560 --> 1:28:47.000 Know, our PIDs, people like Knaves spitting crazy, you know 1:28:47.000 --> 1:28:49.920 what I mean, people like Cormega was spitting crazy like 1:28:50.000 --> 1:28:50.439 it was. 1:28:50.439 --> 1:28:51.759 A lot of people that was dope. 1:28:51.800 --> 1:28:54.519 The whole Juice Crew thing, the Symphony like that, that 1:28:54.680 --> 1:28:56.760 was like shit that we that was around us. 1:28:57.360 --> 1:29:00.599 So it was like, you know, we were. 1:29:00.479 --> 1:29:03.760 Trying to spit that level of shit. These are the 1:29:03.760 --> 1:29:06.000 people that we had to deal with. These are people 1:29:06.040 --> 1:29:08.440 that are gonna laugh with us if we make some bullshit, 1:29:08.640 --> 1:29:10.879 like you know what I mean, if we talking some bullshit, 1:29:10.920 --> 1:29:13.040 if we talking some shit that's not true, like you 1:29:13.080 --> 1:29:14.840 know what I'm saying, if we like, we had to 1:29:14.880 --> 1:29:17.439 deal with people like you know what I'm saying. And 1:29:17.560 --> 1:29:19.800 so that's how we would test a lot of our music. 1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:21.800 We would play it outside on the block, see how 1:29:21.840 --> 1:29:24.400 people react to it, and we would see how friends, 1:29:24.439 --> 1:29:26.720 our friends would be like, oh, shit's fire, you'll bring 1:29:26.760 --> 1:29:28.559 that shit back, You'll bring that shit back. And we 1:29:28.560 --> 1:29:30.760 would walk around different blocks in the hood and just 1:29:30.760 --> 1:29:32.800 like I said, take it to Brooklyn, take your head, 1:29:32.840 --> 1:29:35.280 take it dead. See how everybody feeling it, and that's 1:29:35.280 --> 1:29:36.719 how we would know, oh, we got. 1:29:36.520 --> 1:29:37.439 Something, you know what I'm saying. 1:29:37.680 --> 1:29:39.920 If motherfuckers didn't react and we were like, we can't 1:29:39.920 --> 1:29:42.880 fuck with that, But if they reacted, we knew we 1:29:42.920 --> 1:29:43.439 had something. 1:29:43.680 --> 1:29:45.719 So we did the same thing. We shook ones. 1:29:46.560 --> 1:29:46.760 You know. 1:29:46.840 --> 1:29:48.120 Most of the songs was like that. 1:29:48.120 --> 1:29:48.639 You know what I mean. 1:29:48.680 --> 1:29:51.360 We would test it out on the block and see 1:29:51.360 --> 1:29:53.240 how people would react, and then we. 1:29:53.080 --> 1:29:54.559 Were like, all right, we got one. Put that out, 1:29:54.680 --> 1:29:55.360 you know what I'm saying. 1:29:55.520 --> 1:29:58.080 I think another part of the formula that really made 1:29:58.160 --> 1:30:02.120 that album work is the fact that the musical backdrop 1:30:02.479 --> 1:30:05.800 it was like so it wasn't ass hardcore, like even 1:30:05.840 --> 1:30:09.760 for like up North Trip, Like I remember my uncle 1:30:09.840 --> 1:30:13.000 used to always that came from a Spinner's record, Spinners eight, 1:30:13.400 --> 1:30:16.920 So you used to always play the spinners I'm tired 1:30:16.960 --> 1:30:21.840 of living on his eight track, right, So that's how 1:30:21.840 --> 1:30:24.719 I always remembered it. But now it's like I meant, 1:30:25.120 --> 1:30:28.080 even though the subject matter that song was more like 1:30:28.120 --> 1:30:31.479 a it's kind of like a fuck my friends, like 1:30:31.560 --> 1:30:33.600 I can only trust me sort of things, Like I 1:30:33.640 --> 1:30:37.280 always had happy memories of being in my uncle Junie's 1:30:37.320 --> 1:30:39.240 card listening to that song, but then like y'all just 1:30:39.240 --> 1:30:41.639 took it and just made it into like yeah. 1:30:41.479 --> 1:30:45.200 It was like a position of like smooth like soothing 1:30:45.320 --> 1:30:47.920 sounds and then like the most murderous shit on top 1:30:47.960 --> 1:30:51.360 of it, like lyrically even like drink record like drink 1:30:51.360 --> 1:30:54.160 a Way to Pain, Like that's like a happy ass hit. 1:30:54.080 --> 1:30:54.559 On the song. 1:30:54.720 --> 1:30:57.760 But then right then y'all slow it down and like 1:30:57.920 --> 1:30:59.280 spit that shit over it. 1:30:59.280 --> 1:31:01.920 It becomes something to you know, we caught our drift 1:31:02.240 --> 1:31:03.000 we called a drift. 1:31:03.080 --> 1:31:04.439 We was on it, like you know what I mean, 1:31:04.439 --> 1:31:07.240 and once we locked in, that was it. 1:31:07.320 --> 1:31:08.960 We wasn't. We was like, all right, we got it, 1:31:09.360 --> 1:31:09.840 we got it. 1:31:09.920 --> 1:31:12.639 Let's go like you know what I'm saying, we get 1:31:12.640 --> 1:31:14.280 in the reaction that we want from people. 1:31:14.360 --> 1:31:16.439 Now, So what is life like now that the album 1:31:16.520 --> 1:31:18.080 is taken off? I mean, y'all got four and a 1:31:18.080 --> 1:31:20.280 half mics in the source. I'm one of those people 1:31:20.280 --> 1:31:22.639 that actually believe that four and a half mics is 1:31:22.840 --> 1:31:26.160 better than a five because when you when you, I mean, yeah, 1:31:26.200 --> 1:31:29.200 you can have a five, but then it becomes a burden. 1:31:29.320 --> 1:31:32.040 Like I feel like for Nas that five is a 1:31:32.080 --> 1:31:35.960 burden on him because it's like everybody's always going to say, well, 1:31:35.960 --> 1:31:38.120 in the beginning of nineteen ninety four, this is when 1:31:39.360 --> 1:31:41.439 you know they kind of I feel like four and 1:31:41.479 --> 1:31:43.760 a half is like the highest accolade you can get 1:31:43.800 --> 1:31:49.519 where you don't get that much jealousy or scrutiny from 1:31:49.560 --> 1:31:50.439 your peers or whatever. 1:31:50.520 --> 1:31:50.840 I see. 1:31:51.080 --> 1:31:52.960 Definitely, did you feel some sort of way, do you 1:31:52.960 --> 1:31:54.479 feel like, oh man, we should have got a five 1:31:54.520 --> 1:31:57.000 like yell madic or at that time. 1:31:57.120 --> 1:31:59.880 We didn't really we didn't really care. Like the sauce was. 1:32:00.120 --> 1:32:01.639 The source was definite, don't get me wrong. 1:32:01.680 --> 1:32:03.560 I was like the Bible, hip hop Bible, like you 1:32:03.600 --> 1:32:05.519 know what I'm saying, Like that's how we got our 1:32:05.560 --> 1:32:09.920 break was from the source like unsigned hype, but that 1:32:10.120 --> 1:32:12.120 you know what we were making, you know, we knew 1:32:12.160 --> 1:32:14.479 the power of what we were making, like we felt it, 1:32:14.520 --> 1:32:16.439 we seen it, we heard it like we've seen people 1:32:16.439 --> 1:32:19.320 were reacting to it. So we didn't really once we 1:32:19.360 --> 1:32:22.599 got in that zone, it was just just go time. 1:32:22.680 --> 1:32:25.120 We ain't really care, you know what I mean too 1:32:25.160 --> 1:32:28.000 much about or they gave us four mice and whatever. 1:32:27.800 --> 1:32:30.080 Because we still had that attitude a little bit in us. 1:32:30.080 --> 1:32:33.000 Like they talk about like you know what I mean, 1:32:33.320 --> 1:32:35.200 But it was a little bit more polished. 1:32:35.479 --> 1:32:36.839 The attitude was a little. 1:32:36.600 --> 1:32:38.840 Bit more polished, but it was still there, you know 1:32:38.880 --> 1:32:40.519 what I'm saying. It was still there. 1:32:40.560 --> 1:32:42.639 So we didn't really we didn't really care too much 1:32:42.640 --> 1:32:45.679 about anything. Once we got our ship off and running 1:32:45.800 --> 1:32:48.120 and shook one Survival of the Fittest, there was like 1:32:48.640 --> 1:32:51.000 we out of here. Fuck everybody, Now, let's just do 1:32:51.080 --> 1:32:53.960 what we do, stick to what we do, stay in 1:32:53.960 --> 1:32:57.400 the studio, stay working, just keep dropping these fucking albums, 1:32:57.479 --> 1:32:59.600 keep dropping his music. And it was just like that, 1:32:59.720 --> 1:33:00.200 that was it. 1:33:00.600 --> 1:33:01.160 It was over. 1:33:01.320 --> 1:33:03.800 So now that it's more active for you as far 1:33:03.800 --> 1:33:06.000 as the reception and I'm sure the touring is ramped 1:33:06.080 --> 1:33:09.519 up and just the overall activity, how are you able 1:33:09.560 --> 1:33:16.640 to deal with your health issues and still maintain a 1:33:16.960 --> 1:33:20.080 busy like itinerary promoting? 1:33:20.120 --> 1:33:22.559 And I was fucking up bad. 1:33:22.960 --> 1:33:25.000 I didn't even realize what I was doing to myself 1:33:25.120 --> 1:33:29.000 because I didn't learn about health and dyeing until like 1:33:29.080 --> 1:33:31.240 my mid twenties, Like you know what I'm saying, my 1:33:31.360 --> 1:33:34.000 little mid to early mid twenties, Like you know what 1:33:34.000 --> 1:33:34.280 I mean. 1:33:35.000 --> 1:33:37.000 So I was like I didn't even realize. 1:33:36.840 --> 1:33:38.960 So there wouldn't be times where like right before a 1:33:39.000 --> 1:33:40.920 show you might have an attack or it's like. 1:33:41.960 --> 1:33:43.920 There was plenty of those times because I didn't I 1:33:43.920 --> 1:33:47.080 didn't realize that I was making myself sick. Like we 1:33:47.080 --> 1:33:48.640 would get up in the morning and have ian J 1:33:48.800 --> 1:33:52.280 for breakfast, like you know, oh shit, like literally every day, 1:33:52.360 --> 1:33:55.240 like you know what I'm saying, and Harolds for breakfast 1:33:56.040 --> 1:33:58.240 Like that was I think, you know what I'm saying, 1:33:58.320 --> 1:34:01.160 Like it's crazy as a sound, that's what we were doing. 1:34:01.400 --> 1:34:02.880 And why was that Because a lot of people don't 1:34:02.880 --> 1:34:04.760 really understand sickle cell like that. So why was that 1:34:04.840 --> 1:34:06.320 like so bad for you? 1:34:06.960 --> 1:34:08.000 Because I learned later. 1:34:08.360 --> 1:34:10.000 I didn't know at this time, but I learned later 1:34:10.040 --> 1:34:15.080 that alcohol dehydrates you know what I mean, your blood. 1:34:14.760 --> 1:34:17.000 It takes all the oxygen out your blood. 1:34:17.360 --> 1:34:21.920 It drives up your blood cells, so that when oxygen 1:34:22.320 --> 1:34:24.519 is missing out of my blood, that's what triggers a 1:34:24.560 --> 1:34:25.800 sickle cell crisis, Like. 1:34:25.720 --> 1:34:26.960 You know what I'm saying, So you were having a 1:34:27.000 --> 1:34:27.599 lot back then. 1:34:28.400 --> 1:34:30.280 I didn't even realize that I'm doing it to myself. 1:34:30.280 --> 1:34:32.360 I'm thinking, because the doctor always told me all my life, 1:34:32.600 --> 1:34:33.439 you got sickle cells. 1:34:33.439 --> 1:34:34.200 None you could do about it. 1:34:34.200 --> 1:34:36.120 You're not gonna live past forty, you know what I'm saying. 1:34:36.120 --> 1:34:37.760 That's what they told me all my life. You know 1:34:37.800 --> 1:34:39.600 what I'm saying. There's nothing you could do about it. 1:34:39.600 --> 1:34:40.439 It's no cured. 1:34:41.560 --> 1:34:43.200 That's it. You got to deal with this shit. 1:34:43.280 --> 1:34:45.799 So do you think a part of the the Neilists 1:34:47.080 --> 1:34:48.880 kind of I don't give a fuck attitude is just 1:34:48.880 --> 1:34:52.920 the fact that inside you felt, maybe, well, sit, by 1:34:52.960 --> 1:34:54.799 the time I'm forty, I'm not even gonna be here anyway. 1:34:54.840 --> 1:34:57.000 So but it's just it wasn't so much. 1:34:58.000 --> 1:35:00.960 I mean, maybe subconsciously that, but I I never I 1:35:01.040 --> 1:35:02.240 never thought like. 1:35:02.200 --> 1:35:04.519 I'm going to die when forty because that's what they said. 1:35:05.040 --> 1:35:06.679 But I used to hear that all the time. 1:35:07.080 --> 1:35:09.280 So maybe subconsciously, yeah, you know what I mean. But 1:35:10.080 --> 1:35:13.840 definitely the pain that I was going through made me 1:35:15.320 --> 1:35:17.599 off a little bit, you know what I'm saying a 1:35:17.640 --> 1:35:18.080 little bit. 1:35:18.720 --> 1:35:21.320 What is the stomach like the logic? 1:35:21.439 --> 1:35:25.839 Well, man, it's like pain in the blood. It starts. 1:35:25.920 --> 1:35:28.240 It starts like, all right, you know, blood cells around 1:35:28.360 --> 1:35:29.679 you know what I mean, look like a life sab 1:35:29.800 --> 1:35:34.439 or whatever. And when my blood is missing oxygen, when 1:35:34.439 --> 1:35:36.360 there's not enough oxygen with my blood. My blood cells 1:35:36.439 --> 1:35:40.400 change shape and turned into like crushing moon shapes sickle shapes, 1:35:40.640 --> 1:35:43.080 and they start interlocking with each other like this, and 1:35:43.080 --> 1:35:44.519 it causes like chain reaction. 1:35:45.160 --> 1:35:46.280 And when when they start. 1:35:46.160 --> 1:35:49.080 Interlocking with each other, it just builds up and I 1:35:49.120 --> 1:35:50.760 guess creates pressure. 1:35:50.479 --> 1:35:53.400 Or I don't really use like a headache or matter. 1:35:53.560 --> 1:35:57.960 It's like like somebody took a hammer or sledgehammer and 1:35:58.040 --> 1:36:00.200 just like bo like you know what I mean, whatever 1:36:00.320 --> 1:36:03.160 the pain is that That's what I said. It's like crippling, 1:36:03.439 --> 1:36:05.040 like you know what I mean. I can't even walk, 1:36:05.080 --> 1:36:07.800 I can't move. Sometimes my friends had to carry me 1:36:07.920 --> 1:36:11.720 to the hospital like get crazy, like so you know. 1:36:11.720 --> 1:36:12.000 What I mean. 1:36:12.200 --> 1:36:14.400 I've been I remember that. I can remember being a 1:36:14.439 --> 1:36:17.400 little baby laying in the hospital looking up at my 1:36:17.439 --> 1:36:20.599 family looking down at me. I don't even I probably 1:36:20.680 --> 1:36:22.679 was like three years old, you know what I'm saying. 1:36:22.760 --> 1:36:25.360 And I can I remember those memories, just laying in 1:36:25.360 --> 1:36:28.200 the hospital, looking up in my family, being sick in 1:36:28.200 --> 1:36:30.640 the hospital. I ain't understand what was going on. I 1:36:30.680 --> 1:36:33.120 just nominally pain. I don't know what the fuck is happening. 1:36:33.320 --> 1:36:36.440 So this pain been with me all my life and 1:36:36.479 --> 1:36:38.800 it definitely, you know, had an effect on you know, 1:36:38.880 --> 1:36:41.280 my mentality and maybe angry. 1:36:41.360 --> 1:36:43.000 I ain't believe in God, you know what I mean, 1:36:43.000 --> 1:36:44.120 because I asked the prey it. 1:36:45.600 --> 1:36:48.680 Suffer and make the pain go away, and it's not 1:36:48.720 --> 1:36:51.080 going away. So I was like, oh, it ain't no God. 1:36:51.160 --> 1:36:52.040 Then you know what I'm saying. 1:36:52.720 --> 1:36:55.200 This might be a dumb, non celebrity question, but did 1:36:55.200 --> 1:36:57.200 you ever Were you ever in the same room with 1:36:57.320 --> 1:36:58.960 like tea Boys, because I feel like y'all would have 1:36:59.080 --> 1:37:01.360 some of the same issues y'all overre on tour Lie 1:37:01.479 --> 1:37:03.840 and she seemed like she really went through. 1:37:03.760 --> 1:37:05.839 It a lot. Yeah, we had a conversation. 1:37:05.920 --> 1:37:07.400 We were gonna do a song on my H and 1:37:07.439 --> 1:37:09.760 I c album, but she said her label would and 1:37:09.840 --> 1:37:11.400 let her do a song whatever you can never feel 1:37:11.439 --> 1:37:13.080 my pains on it. Yeah, she was supposed to get 1:37:13.120 --> 1:37:15.040 on that with me. I had made that song for 1:37:15.120 --> 1:37:17.960 me and her and I went down. I flew down 1:37:18.000 --> 1:37:20.400 to Atlanta and for her to hear it. She came 1:37:20.439 --> 1:37:21.160 to the studio and. 1:37:21.600 --> 1:37:22.040 She liked it. 1:37:22.160 --> 1:37:23.640 She was like, my label's not gonna let me do 1:37:23.680 --> 1:37:25.519 it because they're not gonna let me get on a 1:37:25.600 --> 1:37:29.040 hall core rap song. So I don't know, you know 1:37:29.080 --> 1:37:31.760 what I mean, But yeah, the Sicker Cell was crazy. 1:37:31.800 --> 1:37:33.360 It was a crazy thing to grow up with. And 1:37:34.479 --> 1:37:37.040 you know it definitely he made me angry, you know 1:37:37.080 --> 1:37:39.240 what I mean. I was an angry, pissed off kid. 1:37:39.479 --> 1:37:41.439 And then my father, you know, he didn't help all 1:37:41.479 --> 1:37:43.360 the shit he was teaching me. And you know what 1:37:43.400 --> 1:37:46.160 I'm saying. So you know, by the time I got 1:37:46.200 --> 1:37:48.280 to high school and they half I was, it was 1:37:48.560 --> 1:37:51.200 I was insane. I was an insane kid, like you 1:37:51.280 --> 1:37:54.080 know what I'm saying. I was very fucking insane man. 1:37:54.680 --> 1:37:58.160 And uh, you know, going on tour, I didn't realize 1:37:59.280 --> 1:38:02.320 I was chilling my myself, like I we would get 1:38:02.360 --> 1:38:03.400 off the plane, I'm sick. 1:38:03.479 --> 1:38:05.280 I gotta go right to the hospital. You can't even 1:38:05.320 --> 1:38:06.920 do gott to cancel the show. I have got to 1:38:06.920 --> 1:38:09.519 perform by myself. This is when Infamous, you know what 1:38:09.560 --> 1:38:12.000 I mean, Infamous came out. We was like touring overseas 1:38:12.040 --> 1:38:15.720 immediately when shook ones and all that, and uh, you know, 1:38:15.800 --> 1:38:18.040 I get sick. I got sick in Paris. I had 1:38:18.080 --> 1:38:19.640 to go to the hospital in Paris. I had to 1:38:19.720 --> 1:38:21.480 go you know, different places overseas. 1:38:22.840 --> 1:38:25.000 And you know, I just thought it was normal because 1:38:25.040 --> 1:38:26.439 this is what I did all my life, you know 1:38:26.479 --> 1:38:28.280 what I mean, Get sick, go to the hospital, get 1:38:28.360 --> 1:38:32.680 better after a couple of weeks, come out. But when 1:38:32.760 --> 1:38:36.840 it started affecting the shows and started affecting the money 1:38:38.080 --> 1:38:39.840 and people booking us, and. 1:38:39.840 --> 1:38:41.800 You know what I mean, that affect your relationship with 1:38:42.040 --> 1:38:47.880 with with habit, No, I really nah, Like would he 1:38:48.000 --> 1:38:49.920 be on you like yo, man, like you know if 1:38:49.920 --> 1:38:51.920 you do this da da da, he's going to mess 1:38:52.080 --> 1:38:52.439 up the money? 1:38:52.560 --> 1:38:55.120 Or yeah, he didn't know. You know, we just thought, 1:38:55.479 --> 1:38:57.080 you know, I got sick of sell I get sick. 1:38:57.360 --> 1:38:58.599 Okay, we didn't. 1:38:58.840 --> 1:39:01.599 I didn't realize, din't connect it's because of my diet 1:39:01.720 --> 1:39:04.720 and all this drinking or just smoking all this. We 1:39:04.800 --> 1:39:06.240 didn't know that, you know what I mean. So we 1:39:06.439 --> 1:39:09.400 just think he gets sick all the time. I hope 1:39:09.439 --> 1:39:11.280 he doesn't get sick tonight. I hope he doesn't get 1:39:11.280 --> 1:39:11.479 you know. 1:39:11.479 --> 1:39:11.760 What I mean. 1:39:11.880 --> 1:39:15.680 So after a while, or the money getting fucked up 1:39:15.880 --> 1:39:19.400 and promoter scared, the book us, that started making me 1:39:19.479 --> 1:39:22.639 think different, Like all right, hold up, this is fucking 1:39:22.760 --> 1:39:25.000 up the business. I keep getting sick. What's going on. 1:39:25.720 --> 1:39:28.479 So you know, I started doing research and I started 1:39:28.479 --> 1:39:31.360 finding out that, like you know, you could control the 1:39:31.439 --> 1:39:34.840 sick of cell just you know, from having a proper diet. 1:39:35.280 --> 1:39:38.360 It's all about diet and what you put into your body. 1:39:38.479 --> 1:39:43.400 And and also also you're like your spirit, your mentality, 1:39:43.600 --> 1:39:46.240 like because once you change your mind and your spirit, 1:39:46.800 --> 1:39:48.760 it kind of has a domino effect. Everything has a 1:39:48.840 --> 1:39:51.880 domino effect once you start making change in your life 1:39:52.439 --> 1:39:55.080 little things, whether it's diet or whether it's spirituality. But 1:39:55.280 --> 1:39:58.720 once you start making changes everything else you look, you 1:39:58.760 --> 1:40:02.200 start looking at other things. All right, Well I eat clean, 1:40:02.439 --> 1:40:04.960 I eat vegetables, all right, So what else do I 1:40:05.080 --> 1:40:06.519 need to clean up in my life? Like you know 1:40:06.520 --> 1:40:07.920 what I mean, Oh, I need to stop this or 1:40:07.920 --> 1:40:10.240 I need to stop hanging out with these people, you know, 1:40:10.280 --> 1:40:11.920 I mean get me in trouble. I need to stop 1:40:12.560 --> 1:40:14.679 thinking like this. I need to start having negative thoughts. 1:40:14.720 --> 1:40:16.160 So it's like a domino effects. 1:40:16.560 --> 1:40:17.439 Is it easy to do that? 1:40:17.760 --> 1:40:20.600 I mean, well, we didn't even get into how you 1:40:20.640 --> 1:40:25.160 guys went from political profits to mob deep. But even 1:40:25.200 --> 1:40:26.800 the first time I met y'all, I don't know if 1:40:26.800 --> 1:40:30.200 you remember, like the you guys did an in store 1:40:30.920 --> 1:40:31.920 or maybe ILL were just there. 1:40:32.040 --> 1:40:32.360 I don't know. 1:40:33.200 --> 1:40:35.960 When do you want more? Our second album came out 1:40:37.040 --> 1:40:42.000 in Philadelphia at Tower Records. We did an in store 1:40:42.120 --> 1:40:45.120 like played inside of inside of that store, and you 1:40:45.200 --> 1:40:46.599 guys were there, and I was kind of shocked. 1:40:46.680 --> 1:40:49.720 I was like, because you know, even then for us, 1:40:51.160 --> 1:40:52.120 I guess people sort of. 1:40:52.080 --> 1:40:55.559 Looked at us like alternative rep outside kind of didn't 1:40:55.600 --> 1:40:57.439 accept us into the fold until like way later. 1:40:57.640 --> 1:40:59.880 But I was shocked. I was like, damn mob D 1:41:00.120 --> 1:41:03.880 saying like, damn, okay, maybe maybe we're doing good. 1:41:03.960 --> 1:41:05.800 Like I know that you guys were in town at 1:41:05.920 --> 1:41:09.680 night to do Power ninety nine at night before, but 1:41:10.280 --> 1:41:14.560 I also knew that y'all rolled humongous like big, Like 1:41:14.760 --> 1:41:19.960 how how do you if you decide, okay, maybe I 1:41:20.080 --> 1:41:24.320 need to break away, Like how do you separate yourself. 1:41:25.560 --> 1:41:27.080 From church and state if you will? 1:41:27.160 --> 1:41:30.120 I mean, I mean, you know, it's it's very tricky, man, 1:41:30.439 --> 1:41:36.000 It's very tricky navigating through that whole lifestyle and do 1:41:36.160 --> 1:41:38.800 that whole like you know what I mean, communities that 1:41:38.960 --> 1:41:40.400 we grew up in, Like you know what I mean, 1:41:40.479 --> 1:41:42.840 It's it's not easy, man, you know what I'm saying. 1:41:42.960 --> 1:41:44.800 Like on the average tour, how many people are rolling 1:41:44.840 --> 1:41:48.400 with y'all now or back back then? 1:41:49.160 --> 1:41:52.600 Back then if we was in the States, maybe like 1:41:52.720 --> 1:41:56.799 fifteen twenty May, it could be more. Sometimes if sometimes 1:41:56.840 --> 1:41:59.320 we would drive to like Genetic Chi will drive to 1:41:59.640 --> 1:42:02.320 Boston or something, and we had like fifteen calls with us, 1:42:03.000 --> 1:42:03.479 they like. 1:42:03.720 --> 1:42:04.639 So I got people. 1:42:04.720 --> 1:42:07.080 So I got to ask because we're dropping, like you 1:42:07.120 --> 1:42:09.800 know what I mean, it's nothing. So I got to 1:42:09.840 --> 1:42:11.720 ask because any of us sleeping in a room, like 1:42:11.720 --> 1:42:12.320 you know what I'm saying. 1:42:13.680 --> 1:42:16.439 So when when drop a gym, when them came out 1:42:16.720 --> 1:42:20.280 and I first heard that on a mixtape, I mean 1:42:20.360 --> 1:42:23.320 that was like at the not even at the hype, 1:42:23.360 --> 1:42:28.040 but at the beginning of what would soon become a 1:42:28.200 --> 1:42:35.160 very unnecessary you know, Fable talked about uh East West 1:42:35.880 --> 1:42:39.080 rivalry thing, which you guys were like caught dead in 1:42:39.120 --> 1:42:44.120 the middle. What was what was your reaction because I know, 1:42:44.280 --> 1:42:47.000 I mean, in hindsight, I know that Tupac was just 1:42:47.080 --> 1:42:49.920 basically like just calling out any and every name. I 1:42:50.000 --> 1:42:53.000 mean even Daylight Soul and the Fuji's got. 1:42:54.000 --> 1:42:57.320 I was like, what are the right exactly? 1:42:57.439 --> 1:42:59.280 So I know they were just calling out he was 1:42:59.360 --> 1:43:04.719 just calling out any and everyone. But when you first heard, 1:43:07.600 --> 1:43:09.400 when you first heard hit him up, Like, what was 1:43:09.479 --> 1:43:13.200 your reaction? You're feeling like, did y'all ever have a 1:43:13.240 --> 1:43:14.880 relationship with Tupac before? 1:43:15.840 --> 1:43:17.960 Nah? We never. We never met Pac. 1:43:18.720 --> 1:43:20.920 We've been in the same room a few times, but 1:43:21.520 --> 1:43:23.600 we didn't. We didn't have any connection. We didn't know 1:43:23.680 --> 1:43:27.760 each other. Like you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so 1:43:28.160 --> 1:43:31.160 when you know when to hit him up ship came out, 1:43:32.320 --> 1:43:35.800 we was like, oh shit or word. So immediately, you know, 1:43:35.880 --> 1:43:38.680 I'm already thinking like, oh, he's standing up for a 1:43:38.760 --> 1:43:41.559 snoop because we just made a song going back at 1:43:41.600 --> 1:43:44.160 snoop and Pocket is the brand new artist on on 1:43:44.360 --> 1:43:46.200 death Row. I forgot about New York. Okay, you know 1:43:46.240 --> 1:43:48.519 what I'm saying. Pocket is the brand new artist on 1:43:48.600 --> 1:43:49.040 death Row. 1:43:49.160 --> 1:43:51.320 So he feels like he gotta show y'all what I'm 1:43:51.720 --> 1:43:54.519 I'm death roll now watch'll snoop. You know what I'm saying, Like, 1:43:54.520 --> 1:43:57.080 I'll hang through these niggas for you. I'm the new artist. 1:43:57.160 --> 1:43:57.320 Let me. 1:43:57.439 --> 1:43:59.240 It's my job to do this, you know what I'm saying. 1:43:59.560 --> 1:44:01.600 So that's how park mentality was. I think, you know 1:44:01.640 --> 1:44:03.120 what I mean? He was like, fuck that he got 1:44:03.200 --> 1:44:05.880 to show him proof to death row He's gonna hold 1:44:05.920 --> 1:44:07.280 it down, you know what I'm saying. 1:44:07.320 --> 1:44:10.479 So he went at us for snoop. 1:44:10.600 --> 1:44:12.040 That's what I think, you know what I mean. And 1:44:12.320 --> 1:44:15.320 also a lot of people say that. On an album 1:44:15.400 --> 1:44:19.320 on Survival when our homies have his cousin, he says 1:44:19.360 --> 1:44:21.439 in the chorus, Doug life, we still live in it, 1:44:21.920 --> 1:44:23.320 Doug Life, were still living it. 1:44:23.479 --> 1:44:28.000 Like on the chorus, we wasn't dissing Park. That was 1:44:28.080 --> 1:44:29.040 just like a slang in the. 1:44:29.040 --> 1:44:34.720 Street, like the thug Life probably probably coined the phrase, right, 1:44:35.000 --> 1:44:35.800 but it was. 1:44:37.360 --> 1:44:39.600 Yeah, yeah, so this is how we was talking, like, 1:44:39.640 --> 1:44:40.040 you know what I mean. 1:44:40.160 --> 1:44:43.360 So I heard that Park took offense to that, you 1:44:43.400 --> 1:44:44.960 know what I mean, because we were saying thug life 1:44:44.960 --> 1:44:46.320 is still living it, you know. 1:44:46.320 --> 1:44:48.680 What I mean. So not knowing you just adapting what 1:44:48.800 --> 1:44:52.880 he It wasn't. No, we wasn't even taking those shots, right. 1:44:53.040 --> 1:44:55.439 So what drop drop a jim on him. It's like, 1:44:57.360 --> 1:45:00.280 you know, for for most East Coast rappers, going to 1:45:00.439 --> 1:45:02.800 LA is like, yo, that's some fun shit. I mean, 1:45:02.800 --> 1:45:06.560 at least for now now that weird, you know what 1:45:06.640 --> 1:45:10.880 I mean, But not back then, Yeah, like how I mean, 1:45:11.240 --> 1:45:12.720 just to be caught up in that shit. Were you 1:45:12.840 --> 1:45:16.040 guys like very cautious and coming to Los Angeles for 1:45:16.160 --> 1:45:18.599 fear of like some shit might go down? 1:45:18.800 --> 1:45:19.559 Or was it just like. 1:45:21.520 --> 1:45:24.280 When the La La and New York New York came 1:45:24.320 --> 1:45:29.320 out and then Pop dropped Hit Him Up. Our song 1:45:29.680 --> 1:45:33.720 La La was number one on LA radio, you know 1:45:33.760 --> 1:45:36.960 what I'm saying. For whatever reason, we had a big 1:45:37.040 --> 1:45:40.040 fan base in Cali early, you know what I'm saying. 1:45:40.720 --> 1:45:44.280 So we had fans out there and the song became 1:45:44.400 --> 1:45:47.200 number one in LA radio and they was requesting for 1:45:47.320 --> 1:45:50.000 us to fly out there and perform it. So we 1:45:50.080 --> 1:45:52.960 were flying to LA. We would bring like all our 1:45:53.000 --> 1:45:54.640 boys with us, you know what I'm saying, and we 1:45:54.720 --> 1:45:58.799 would go perform this song. And we had the mentality 1:45:58.880 --> 1:46:01.599 like you know, yeah, we wore already we're gonna bring 1:46:01.640 --> 1:46:04.519 our niggas with us. Something pop off. We're gonna pop off, 1:46:04.640 --> 1:46:06.320 like you know what I'm saying. That was our mentality, 1:46:06.439 --> 1:46:08.160 like you know what I'm saying. And we was out 1:46:08.160 --> 1:46:10.120 there performing that shit, you know what I mean. In 1:46:10.200 --> 1:46:10.920 the middle of all that. 1:46:11.720 --> 1:46:14.400 Damn, I'm glad nothing escalated, yeah. 1:46:14.280 --> 1:46:16.559 Because you know it can get bad. Anyway, LA's bad. 1:46:16.640 --> 1:46:18.479 New York is bad, like everybody bad, like you know 1:46:18.479 --> 1:46:20.320 what I mean. So it could have gotten nasty, you 1:46:20.360 --> 1:46:22.640 know what I mean, But you know it is what 1:46:22.800 --> 1:46:24.960 it is, man like. That's I'm just saying how it 1:46:25.040 --> 1:46:26.519 went down, Like you know what I mean. We were 1:46:26.560 --> 1:46:30.320 performing out there the La La record and it felt weird, 1:46:30.960 --> 1:46:34.560 but we did it. It felt like, yeah, we was 1:46:34.640 --> 1:46:37.360 in danger, but we didn't give a fuck because we're 1:46:37.400 --> 1:46:39.640 in danger back home too, you know what I mean. 1:46:39.680 --> 1:46:41.280 When we hang out with the clubs, we hanging in 1:46:41.360 --> 1:46:45.439 the hood, our friends are getting shot. So what's the difference, right, 1:46:45.640 --> 1:46:47.360 And that's how that was our attitude, like you know 1:46:47.400 --> 1:46:48.920 what I mean, what's the difference, Don't give a fuck, 1:46:48.960 --> 1:46:49.639 Let's go perform. 1:46:50.680 --> 1:46:54.439 Like I happened to read the source article, uh for 1:46:54.560 --> 1:46:57.600 your solo project when you were explaining that, you know, 1:46:58.760 --> 1:47:01.960 the whole snoop crust, the buildings line or whatever, I mean, 1:47:02.000 --> 1:47:04.799 I got the perspective you were coming from saying, like basically, 1:47:04.960 --> 1:47:07.439 like we out here on the front lines, you know, 1:47:08.160 --> 1:47:10.439 we're out here repping where we came from and that 1:47:10.600 --> 1:47:16.400 sort of thing. So it's just the whole takeover situation, 1:47:17.680 --> 1:47:22.080 like in hindsight. I mean, how do you feel like, 1:47:22.760 --> 1:47:25.200 have you guys spoken sense or is it just like 1:47:26.000 --> 1:47:27.760 is it water under the bridge now or. 1:47:28.040 --> 1:47:30.120 Yeah, it's basically you know, water under the bridge. 1:47:30.320 --> 1:47:33.479 Of course, we still we still got that little you know, 1:47:33.600 --> 1:47:35.760 competition in us, like you still be looking at like, 1:47:36.760 --> 1:47:38.479 you know, Jay don't really fuck with nobody. 1:47:38.560 --> 1:47:38.920 He don't do. 1:47:39.000 --> 1:47:42.680 Songs with nobody like badly. I'm surprised when Jay did 1:47:42.720 --> 1:47:43.559 the joint with Fabulous. 1:47:43.600 --> 1:47:45.560 I was like, oh shit, he did the joint with 1:47:45.720 --> 1:47:48.040 fab Yo, that's dope, you know what I'm saying. 1:47:48.240 --> 1:47:50.200 I was happy for fab when that happened. But you know, 1:47:50.320 --> 1:47:51.559 Jay don't do songs with nobody. 1:47:51.640 --> 1:47:54.479 So it's like I know that him and Nas sort 1:47:54.520 --> 1:47:57.559 of you know, people basically see taking over as as 1:47:57.760 --> 1:47:58.600 a Nas. 1:47:58.560 --> 1:48:00.759 Jay Z situation. 1:48:01.400 --> 1:48:03.439 So let me let me let me let me start 1:48:03.479 --> 1:48:06.000 from the top right right. I was already thinking when 1:48:06.000 --> 1:48:07.880 I first heard Jay said that line. I was in 1:48:07.960 --> 1:48:10.880 the club and Queen's and it was all my boys 1:48:10.920 --> 1:48:12.639 and I heard the song money Cash Holes was playing 1:48:12.640 --> 1:48:14.080 in the club. I was like, it's dope, that beat 1:48:14.160 --> 1:48:18.200 his crazy but with the piano shit right. So I 1:48:18.320 --> 1:48:20.960 heard the line, I was like, because you know we 1:48:21.120 --> 1:48:23.920 listened to we like really be scrutinizing rat like you 1:48:24.000 --> 1:48:25.639 know what I mean, we like what he just said, 1:48:25.680 --> 1:48:26.280 you know what I'm saying. 1:48:26.280 --> 1:48:27.280 Who we talk about like what? 1:48:27.840 --> 1:48:29.880 You know what I mean, we'd be overanalyzing shit. Like 1:48:30.040 --> 1:48:32.400 So when I heard that s I was like, huh, 1:48:32.520 --> 1:48:33.639 I caught that shit right away. 1:48:33.680 --> 1:48:36.400 I was like New York and Snoop. Ever since Snoop 1:48:36.479 --> 1:48:38.200 came through, and I was like, what the fuck is 1:48:38.240 --> 1:48:41.040 he talking about? So, you know, the thought just went 1:48:41.080 --> 1:48:41.599 past my head. 1:48:41.640 --> 1:48:43.080 So I ain't think nothing of But really after that, 1:48:43.160 --> 1:48:46.360 and I was in the office one day and Loud 1:48:46.880 --> 1:48:49.320 and Pun was dead. Fat Joe's dead and I was 1:48:49.360 --> 1:48:51.559 just kicking in the office chilling, and I overheard Fat 1:48:51.640 --> 1:48:53.519 Joe said, Yo, you heard that line. 1:48:53.600 --> 1:48:54.519 He was talking to somebody. 1:48:54.880 --> 1:48:56.680 Yo, you heard that line? Jay said, New York be 1:48:56.720 --> 1:48:59.320 And so I was like, words, son, I feel the 1:48:59.439 --> 1:49:05.200 same way. I was like, Yo, that's crazy. You said that. 1:49:05.320 --> 1:49:07.240 So I feel the same way. He's like, word, that's 1:49:07.280 --> 1:49:08.240 kind of crazy. He said that. 1:49:09.160 --> 1:49:12.880 So you know, when when doing the Sauce, I did 1:49:12.920 --> 1:49:14.680 the Sauce interview and I was like, man, Jay z 1:49:14.800 --> 1:49:16.760 a bitch ass. Nigga for saying that, Like how you're 1:49:16.760 --> 1:49:17.200 gonna say that? 1:49:17.320 --> 1:49:18.240 Like you know what I mean? That was some bitch 1:49:18.280 --> 1:49:20.040 ass nigga shit to say that, like come on, man, 1:49:20.160 --> 1:49:22.160 cut it out man, like we was holding it down. 1:49:22.200 --> 1:49:24.439 We was out there performing, We've risking our life like 1:49:24.880 --> 1:49:26.600 it was serious, like you know what I'm saying, And 1:49:26.680 --> 1:49:29.120 that come years later saying some shit like shut the 1:49:29.240 --> 1:49:31.400 fuck up, like you know what I'm saying, just rap nigga. 1:49:31.400 --> 1:49:33.680 Why are you talking about that that has nothing to 1:49:33.720 --> 1:49:35.080 do with you, Like you know what I'm saying, just 1:49:35.200 --> 1:49:38.400 rap nigga. So I was pissed, and you know I 1:49:38.520 --> 1:49:40.439 was on my bullshit. You know what I'm saying When 1:49:40.439 --> 1:49:42.599 I was young, I was on my bullshit. I feel 1:49:43.560 --> 1:49:44.920 I said I said something. I was like, here a 1:49:44.920 --> 1:49:46.680 bitch ass nigga for saying that, you know what I mean? 1:49:47.360 --> 1:49:50.720 And you know he he I got the wordy back 1:49:50.760 --> 1:49:53.680 from Dame Dash. Dame was like, yo, Jay was you know? 1:49:53.840 --> 1:49:55.880 Jay said, you know he wished you just would have 1:49:55.920 --> 1:49:58.280 reached out and spoke to him instead of saying it 1:49:58.400 --> 1:49:59.160 in the magazine. 1:49:59.280 --> 1:50:01.200 I'm like, man, whatever, man, you know what I'm saying. 1:50:02.000 --> 1:50:06.240 So then, uh, I actually had a conversation with Nas 1:50:06.360 --> 1:50:09.680 right right before this article. I had a conversation with 1:50:09.840 --> 1:50:13.479 Nas and uh because me meet what's his nigga name, 1:50:14.120 --> 1:50:14.720 Memphis Bleak. 1:50:16.600 --> 1:50:19.080 Memphis Bleak was taking shots at Nas. You know what 1:50:19.120 --> 1:50:19.519 I'm saying. 1:50:21.160 --> 1:50:23.240 He was, if you fall, I can help you out. 1:50:23.600 --> 1:50:25.120 He was just saying little. 1:50:24.920 --> 1:50:25.599 Slick shit here. 1:50:26.479 --> 1:50:28.400 It was like your life was written? Who you kidding? 1:50:28.520 --> 1:50:29.439 Some shit like that. Whatever. 1:50:29.600 --> 1:50:33.679 So you know, I took offence to that. Anybody talking 1:50:33.680 --> 1:50:35.680 about NOAs, I'm taking offence to it. You know what 1:50:35.680 --> 1:50:38.080 I'm saying, Like everybody you know Queensbridge. 1:50:37.520 --> 1:50:39.920 Is like, that's the crew, that's that's out cruel. So 1:50:40.560 --> 1:50:41.760 I talked to Nas one day. 1:50:41.760 --> 1:50:43.760 I was like, yo, son, I was like, you heard 1:50:43.800 --> 1:50:47.000 you heard you hear these niggas And he was like yeah, yeah, 1:50:47.280 --> 1:50:48.840 He's like I ain't worry about that ship though. 1:50:49.439 --> 1:50:51.280 I was like, your son, man, fuck that, Let's go 1:50:51.360 --> 1:50:52.000 out to these niggas. 1:50:52.040 --> 1:50:54.720 Son, what's up? He like nah, he like that, fuck 1:50:54.760 --> 1:50:56.720 the niggas. Don't go out to the niggas, man, fuck them. 1:50:56.800 --> 1:51:00.320 Niggas ain't nobody. I'm like, your son, fuck that, Let's 1:51:00.360 --> 1:51:02.200 go at these niggas trying to pop ship. 1:51:02.320 --> 1:51:02.519 Son. 1:51:02.800 --> 1:51:05.599 You hear this ship they popping man ship. He's like, man, 1:51:05.800 --> 1:51:07.360 I'm telling you man, fuck that ship man that it 1:51:07.479 --> 1:51:10.160 ain't about nothing. So I'm like, I'm you were, and 1:51:10.479 --> 1:51:12.080 I'm like, Yo, I'm gonna just do it by myself 1:51:12.160 --> 1:51:15.880 then fuck it. He was like all right, you know 1:51:16.040 --> 1:51:17.880 that's when I did the article ship said the ship 1:51:17.920 --> 1:51:21.519 about him, blah blah blah. And then he do the 1:51:21.560 --> 1:51:24.720 Summer jam ship. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, So 1:51:24.880 --> 1:51:28.960 how that happened is uh earth gott He is cool 1:51:29.439 --> 1:51:34.679 with uh, you know with Jay right and a Shati 1:51:34.920 --> 1:51:36.320 used to go to my grandma's dance school. 1:51:36.760 --> 1:51:42.240 You know what I'm saying. Okay, and and Uh at 1:51:42.280 --> 1:51:46.479 the time, we had did a song with Vita called Burn. 1:51:47.400 --> 1:51:51.519 You know. We was like that was my Yeah, we 1:51:51.640 --> 1:51:52.479 were like my favorite. 1:51:53.120 --> 1:51:54.880 We was going at it with Jay like we was 1:51:55.000 --> 1:51:57.240 going at it like you know what I'm saying. I 1:51:57.439 --> 1:51:59.640 was going at it with Jay like little ship a 1:51:59.760 --> 1:52:03.160 mixed tapes. I wasn't taking it as serious. I wasn't 1:52:03.240 --> 1:52:07.200 like being like a rapper, like being like I gotta 1:52:07.200 --> 1:52:11.120 write some bonds like I was on some writing like Nigga, 1:52:11.120 --> 1:52:13.439 when we see you, we're gonna beat you while we're 1:52:13.439 --> 1:52:15.439 gonna I'm gonna shoot. 1:52:15.240 --> 1:52:15.800 You in your foot. 1:52:16.640 --> 1:52:17.599 Don't remember that ship? 1:52:17.720 --> 1:52:20.519 Like you know what I'm saying, Like that was my mentality. 1:52:20.560 --> 1:52:23.799 I'm not even thinking like I gotta write immaculate balls, 1:52:23.840 --> 1:52:26.120 I gotta make a battle rap. 1:52:26.000 --> 1:52:27.920 Like I'm not even thinking like that at all. 1:52:28.439 --> 1:52:34.040 I'm just thinking like, yo, nigga, I'm just writing like nigga, 1:52:34.080 --> 1:52:39.000 I'm angry, writing like we're gonna see this nigga, so 1:52:39.240 --> 1:52:39.680 fucking you. 1:52:40.360 --> 1:52:40.960 Know what I'm saying. 1:52:41.439 --> 1:52:45.120 So we did the song with Vita called Burn, and 1:52:46.720 --> 1:52:50.800 Vita signed it, you know, to IRV Gotti. So it's 1:52:50.880 --> 1:52:54.439 trying to shoot the video for Burn, and you know, 1:52:54.800 --> 1:52:57.880 Burn is getting a lot of play flexes playing the 1:52:57.960 --> 1:53:01.080 ship out of his record. It becomes a hit, and 1:53:02.600 --> 1:53:06.040 we try to shoot the video. We holler and we 1:53:06.120 --> 1:53:08.400 forget a word from Vita that she can't do the video. 1:53:09.240 --> 1:53:11.600 So I called her because I was like, you know, 1:53:11.720 --> 1:53:13.040 Vida was kicking it. You know what I'm saying. 1:53:13.160 --> 1:53:14.200 I had a number. I'm called her. 1:53:14.240 --> 1:53:15.600 I'm like, yo, what's going on. 1:53:16.320 --> 1:53:19.360 She's like, yo, pee, let me tell you. She was like, 1:53:19.520 --> 1:53:22.240 IRV told me I can't do the video. Because Jay, 1:53:22.760 --> 1:53:24.320 you know, it was like, yo, don't let her do that. 1:53:24.800 --> 1:53:27.000 I was like, word, he was like yeah, they hating 1:53:27.040 --> 1:53:28.760 on you over there right now, and this, that, and 1:53:28.880 --> 1:53:30.560 the third she was like I can't. I'm sorry, I 1:53:30.640 --> 1:53:33.680 can't do the video. I'm like, word, they really did that. 1:53:33.800 --> 1:53:35.559 She was like yeah. She was like they over there 1:53:35.720 --> 1:53:36.400 like you know. 1:53:36.400 --> 1:53:38.160 What I'm saying, They like, don't let her do it. 1:53:38.600 --> 1:53:40.120 So I'm like, all right, it's cool, I understand, you 1:53:40.160 --> 1:53:40.599 know what I'm saying. 1:53:40.640 --> 1:53:43.840 Whatever. So Vida never got in the video with us 1:53:43.840 --> 1:53:46.519 because of that. Right, So, then the. 1:53:46.600 --> 1:53:51.479 Whole summer jam shit happened and he puts this picture 1:53:51.520 --> 1:53:53.120 up me dressed like Michael Jackson. 1:53:53.160 --> 1:53:54.479 You know, I thought was Michael Jackson when I was 1:53:54.479 --> 1:53:55.080 a little kid. 1:53:55.120 --> 1:53:57.439 Who didn't think we all thought we did. 1:53:57.600 --> 1:54:00.599 So right away I knew where it came from right away, 1:54:01.360 --> 1:54:05.320 you know, right he put Immediately I was like, oh wow, 1:54:05.600 --> 1:54:08.960 he did some real ill other shit, like he went 1:54:09.040 --> 1:54:12.120 and got a picture. He lied on the picture said 1:54:12.160 --> 1:54:14.320 it was Prodigy nineteen eighty nine and some shit like 1:54:14.720 --> 1:54:16.120 you know what I mean, he lied about the year. 1:54:18.040 --> 1:54:20.320 So whatever, I thought it was funny, you know what 1:54:20.360 --> 1:54:22.880 I'm saying. That like my nigga was in the audience 1:54:22.880 --> 1:54:25.679 a Summer jam My man elogy. He called me like, Yo, Pie, 1:54:26.360 --> 1:54:28.200 you know, I told you that picture was gonna come 1:54:28.240 --> 1:54:33.240 back to haunt you. She had seen the pictures years 1:54:33.280 --> 1:54:35.240 ago and shit when he was like working on music, 1:54:35.400 --> 1:54:36.640 he was looking through the books. 1:54:36.640 --> 1:54:37.920 He's like, oh shit, look at this shit. 1:54:38.400 --> 1:54:40.040 So whatever, He's like, Yo, I told you that picture 1:54:40.160 --> 1:54:41.200 come back to haunt you. I was like, what you're 1:54:41.240 --> 1:54:43.280 talking about? He said, Yo, son, Jay, just put your 1:54:43.320 --> 1:54:43.800 picture up. 1:54:43.760 --> 1:54:44.960 In Summer jam. I'm like what. 1:54:45.600 --> 1:54:48.320 So now we dying laughing on the phone, right, So 1:54:48.440 --> 1:54:50.760 now I'm like, Wow, that's crazy. So I'm like, all right, 1:54:50.920 --> 1:54:53.800 that's what's up. He got jokes, He got jokes. All right, cool, 1:54:54.160 --> 1:54:56.640 it's funny, you know what I'm saying. And that was that, 1:54:56.960 --> 1:54:58.840 and then he made you know, he was going at 1:54:58.920 --> 1:55:02.160 Nas and and me. He was like, as Nas, you 1:55:02.200 --> 1:55:04.520 don't want it withhold, So basically talking to me, you 1:55:04.560 --> 1:55:06.360 know what I'm saying, like, as Nas, you don't want 1:55:06.400 --> 1:55:08.680 it withhold. This that I got money stacks bigger than 1:55:08.720 --> 1:55:10.480 you and all this shit. He talked about me the 1:55:10.520 --> 1:55:10.960 whole song. 1:55:11.080 --> 1:55:11.720 You know what I'm saying. 1:55:12.920 --> 1:55:14.960 He took a little jabbed knaves, but he's talking about 1:55:15.000 --> 1:55:19.240 me the whole song. So now I'm like, all right, 1:55:19.680 --> 1:55:23.800 this is it fucked that it's warm? You got you 1:55:23.840 --> 1:55:26.360 know what I'm saying, Fuck this shit, Fuck this nigga, 1:55:26.720 --> 1:55:27.520 Fuck everybody. 1:55:27.600 --> 1:55:29.520 They down with da da dah. So you know, I 1:55:29.600 --> 1:55:33.360 was on my ship and Nas dropped ether you. 1:55:33.360 --> 1:55:36.360 Know what I'm saying, and it just I was like, whoa, 1:55:37.160 --> 1:55:40.760 he took it serious, he took the beef and you 1:55:40.800 --> 1:55:43.000 know what I'm saying, making the Yeah, I was like, oh, 1:55:43.320 --> 1:55:44.920 I wouldn't have wrote some ship like that. I was. 1:55:45.560 --> 1:55:48.360 I was too angry. I was just mad. 1:55:48.400 --> 1:55:50.560 I wanted to catch this nigga like and do something 1:55:50.640 --> 1:55:51.640 to him, like you know what I'm saying. 1:55:51.720 --> 1:55:53.600 Did you ever talk to Knas after he did either 1:55:53.680 --> 1:55:55.760 about that? Because like he changed his mind and then 1:55:55.800 --> 1:55:57.480 he changed his mind to a major extent. 1:55:57.680 --> 1:56:00.320 So what was he thinking? Was it that he got 1:56:00.400 --> 1:56:02.280 mad for the attack on you or the mad for 1:56:02.360 --> 1:56:02.760 the attack? 1:56:03.320 --> 1:56:05.880 I think no. I think Nas did the well all 1:56:05.920 --> 1:56:07.480 said to defend his title. 1:56:07.600 --> 1:56:11.000 Yeah, yeah, I think Nas did eta and the song 1:56:11.080 --> 1:56:14.240 called Building Destroy number one because Jay mentioned his name, 1:56:14.320 --> 1:56:15.840 so he like, I not fucked that and plus we 1:56:16.000 --> 1:56:17.960 was me and I was already talking about I was like, yo, 1:56:18.080 --> 1:56:19.600 let's go at these niggas, like you know what I'm saying. 1:56:20.360 --> 1:56:22.040 But now I guess he heard that song and that 1:56:22.120 --> 1:56:23.360 drew the line. He was like, man, fuck that. 1:56:23.680 --> 1:56:26.160 So he made a song called Building Destroyer also at 1:56:26.200 --> 1:56:28.960 the same time, and he shipped on me talking about 1:56:29.000 --> 1:56:31.280 your pology get robbed? You know what he was talking about. 1:56:31.400 --> 1:56:33.480 Knives was saying some things that he doesn't have no 1:56:33.960 --> 1:56:36.400 idea what really happened. He thinks he knows, but he 1:56:36.520 --> 1:56:38.880 really doesn't know. So he was something I got robbed 1:56:38.960 --> 1:56:41.560 this that a third and at the end of the 1:56:41.600 --> 1:56:44.840 song he apologized to me, you needed the song, yo, 1:56:44.920 --> 1:56:46.560 p I love you man, Just get away from them 1:56:46.600 --> 1:56:47.360 fake ass niggas. 1:56:47.360 --> 1:56:48.600 That's what he's saying on the song, like you know 1:56:48.640 --> 1:56:50.360 what I'm saying. After he just shot it on me 1:56:50.440 --> 1:56:55.840 the whole I'm like, Yo, where did this come from? Oh? 1:56:55.880 --> 1:56:57.320 He hits you like, yo, I got this joint. 1:56:57.320 --> 1:56:59.480 Building Destroyer was just in a studio with him, Like 1:56:59.680 --> 1:57:02.120 I was mad that they was rapping about nas. 1:57:02.360 --> 1:57:04.160 I'm like, yoyo, fuck that, Let's go out to these niggas. 1:57:04.160 --> 1:57:06.000 They rapping about you, son, you know what I'm saying. 1:57:07.040 --> 1:57:09.360 And now he had a song this on me. I'm like, 1:57:09.480 --> 1:57:11.640 where did this come from? I don't have no beef 1:57:11.640 --> 1:57:12.040 for nos. 1:57:12.080 --> 1:57:14.160 I hate to ask this. What album is that one? 1:57:14.320 --> 1:57:16.680 No it was on? Was it still madic? I think 1:57:16.720 --> 1:57:19.880 I think show was still mad? Really? I think I. 1:57:21.480 --> 1:57:25.120 Found out that Nas was mad at me because I 1:57:25.200 --> 1:57:28.840 did the song with cor Mega right, and I didn't when. 1:57:28.760 --> 1:57:30.640 I did this, which is one of my favorite fucking 1:57:30.680 --> 1:57:32.400 mob D songs on Murder Music. 1:57:32.280 --> 1:57:33.800 Right, no, no, no, no no, it was one of 1:57:33.840 --> 1:57:34.480 the Mega songs. 1:57:34.560 --> 1:57:35.120 Okay. 1:57:35.200 --> 1:57:37.960 When I did the song with cor Mega, he didn't 1:57:38.080 --> 1:57:39.520 have a verse on it. It was just a beat. 1:57:39.760 --> 1:57:41.200 I went wrote my verse to it. 1:57:41.440 --> 1:57:45.440 I left. When he puts the song out, he writes 1:57:45.480 --> 1:57:47.840 his whole verse this and notas Oh. 1:57:48.520 --> 1:57:51.680 So I didn't know that before three one situation, you 1:57:51.760 --> 1:57:53.320 know what I'm saying. I didn't know that, So then 1:57:53.360 --> 1:57:56.160 I found out later That's why Nas. I guess he 1:57:56.240 --> 1:57:59.520 thought my verse was about him because he heard that's 1:57:59.600 --> 1:58:00.160 fall from you. 1:58:00.240 --> 1:58:01.360 You know what I'm saying. I didn't. 1:58:01.400 --> 1:58:01.840 I never. 1:58:03.280 --> 1:58:03.800 Find out that. 1:58:04.600 --> 1:58:07.120 I guess making changes verse without you even knowing. I 1:58:07.160 --> 1:58:09.280 guess years later after me being vocal about it and 1:58:09.360 --> 1:58:10.040 talking about it. 1:58:11.120 --> 1:58:13.480 That's why I said, that's why I wrote. 1:58:13.520 --> 1:58:13.960 That's why I. 1:58:14.000 --> 1:58:17.880 Wrote the book because the story is so much complex, 1:58:17.960 --> 1:58:22.160 pieces to everything. I want people to understand how everything 1:58:22.280 --> 1:58:25.480 transpired and how it went down. I communicating that was 1:58:25.600 --> 1:58:27.440 one of the main reasons I wrote that book. And 1:58:27.520 --> 1:58:30.120 plus I looked at it like, this is my youth. 1:58:30.280 --> 1:58:31.400 I'm a grown man now. 1:58:31.880 --> 1:58:35.560 That book is my youth. That's my youth, that's. 1:58:35.720 --> 1:58:36.440 Me growing up. 1:58:37.360 --> 1:58:39.600 I'm a grown man now. I Don'm not like that 1:58:39.800 --> 1:58:41.240 no more, you know what I mean. I was very 1:58:41.440 --> 1:58:45.480 hard headed and ignorant and all my bullshit, and I 1:58:45.640 --> 1:58:47.600 grew up. So I was like, you know what, I'm 1:58:47.600 --> 1:58:50.120 gonna write a book and I'm gonna just like you know, 1:58:50.160 --> 1:58:52.400 I'm gonna explain how I grew up, and I'm explaining 1:58:52.400 --> 1:58:55.760 certain situations for people so they can understand why this happened, 1:58:55.840 --> 1:58:56.560 How did that happen? 1:58:56.600 --> 1:58:56.960 How did you? 1:58:57.400 --> 1:58:59.400 You know what I'm saying? Like, there was so many questions, 1:58:59.440 --> 1:59:01.520 and I'm sure that fans wanted to know, why is 1:59:01.600 --> 1:59:02.120 y'all beefing? 1:59:02.160 --> 1:59:02.640 Why did this? 1:59:02.760 --> 1:59:04.840 How did this start with it? That was the main 1:59:04.920 --> 1:59:06.680 reason I wrote this book because I want people to 1:59:06.720 --> 1:59:09.600 have a clear picture of how it actually went down. Like, 1:59:11.600 --> 1:59:13.960 oh yeah, I see Nas everyone again. I've just seen 1:59:14.000 --> 1:59:16.320 him recently at New York Fashion Week. We kicked it 1:59:16.440 --> 1:59:18.280 like you know what I'm saying, and we were talking 1:59:18.280 --> 1:59:19.600 about doing some new music together. 1:59:19.720 --> 1:59:20.560 So we're cool. 1:59:20.680 --> 1:59:22.280 I don't got no problem with nots. We never really 1:59:22.320 --> 1:59:22.520 had it. 1:59:22.640 --> 1:59:27.320 I was gonna say, how come like a Queen's Bridge, 1:59:28.640 --> 1:59:32.080 like just Summit Meeting album never went down. 1:59:35.840 --> 1:59:37.920 There's too many Yeah, it's too many egos. There's too 1:59:37.960 --> 1:59:38.720 many people like. 1:59:39.000 --> 1:59:46.800 Thinking like my deep Nas like like yeah, like eight 1:59:48.280 --> 1:59:50.800 some of the most incredible as MC. 1:59:51.320 --> 1:59:51.840 One day. 1:59:53.520 --> 1:59:56.120 I was on the phone with Pharrell and Pharrell was 1:59:56.200 --> 1:59:59.080 like our first conversation ever. 1:59:59.560 --> 2:00:03.480 At second conversation, who's on the phone And he was like, Yo, 2:00:03.640 --> 2:00:05.640 you gotta ask you something. He was like, what's wrong 2:00:05.680 --> 2:00:09.640 with y'all Queensbridge niggas? Why don't you to fucking stick 2:00:09.720 --> 2:00:13.120 together and just do music? My nigga's wrong with your niggas? 2:00:13.160 --> 2:00:13.320 Ouh? 2:00:13.440 --> 2:00:17.120 Like I'm like, yo, son, it just is what it is. 2:00:17.240 --> 2:00:19.360 My niggas just hood ship, Like that's what happens. 2:00:19.440 --> 2:00:19.560 Man. 2:00:19.760 --> 2:00:20.760 Everybody don't get along. 2:00:21.320 --> 2:00:23.760 I mean, I'm sure everybody wants to be lovey dovey 2:00:23.840 --> 2:00:25.600 and picture perfect, but it's not like that, you know 2:00:25.640 --> 2:00:26.280 what I'm saying, Like. 2:00:26.440 --> 2:00:29.320 What's the what's the deal now with I'm thinking about 2:00:29.360 --> 2:00:33.480 other queenslandsh cats like Mega Nature, Littles, balls and hooks, 2:00:33.560 --> 2:00:34.560 Like what's what's. 2:00:35.240 --> 2:00:36.120 They're all doing anything? 2:00:36.200 --> 2:00:36.600 You know what I mean? 2:00:36.640 --> 2:00:39.520 They doing aything and you know, we doing our thing, 2:00:39.640 --> 2:00:41.840 and that's It's just is what it is. Everybody is 2:00:41.920 --> 2:00:43.600 doing their own separate things like you know what I'm saying. 2:00:44.560 --> 2:00:46.480 I mean, especially for me, I look at it. I 2:00:46.560 --> 2:00:48.320 went through a lot of shit, you know what i mean, 2:00:48.520 --> 2:00:50.400 just like being out there because I'm like an outside 2:00:50.440 --> 2:00:53.120 out there, you know what I'm saying. So a lot 2:00:53.120 --> 2:00:55.040 of people treated me like that. They was like he 2:00:55.080 --> 2:00:56.960 ain't from the hood. I always had to deal with 2:00:57.040 --> 2:00:59.040 that attitude a little bit. A lot of people might 2:00:59.080 --> 2:01:00.760 have been scared to say it or they didn't want 2:01:00.760 --> 2:01:02.960 to say it, but I could just feel it, you 2:01:03.000 --> 2:01:04.760 know what I mean, And a lot of people did 2:01:04.880 --> 2:01:07.720 say it, so it kind of turned me off a 2:01:07.760 --> 2:01:09.480 little bit. It made me really want to just do 2:01:09.600 --> 2:01:12.560 my own thing. Like I never said I was from Queensbridge. 2:01:12.560 --> 2:01:14.520 Always say I'm from Hempstead, like you know what I'm saying, 2:01:15.040 --> 2:01:17.160 and these a lot of a lot of different people 2:01:17.200 --> 2:01:19.880 from Queensbridge would like to would like to have you 2:01:20.040 --> 2:01:24.800 think that I'm a fake Queen like I like I 2:01:24.920 --> 2:01:27.720 say I'm from Queensbridge, like p ain't rarely from the hood, 2:01:27.800 --> 2:01:30.160 like I never said I was. You just want people 2:01:30.240 --> 2:01:31.600 to think that, like you know what I'm saying. Stop 2:01:31.680 --> 2:01:33.480 brutting that in people's minds, like you know what I'm saying. 2:01:33.760 --> 2:01:35.280 So I had to deal with that attitude all the 2:01:35.360 --> 2:01:38.360 time with a lot of rappers, a lot of regular. 2:01:38.040 --> 2:01:39.440 People in the hood or whatever whatever. 2:01:39.560 --> 2:01:41.080 So it kind of turned me off and made me 2:01:41.280 --> 2:01:42.600 just like you know what, I kind of I kind 2:01:42.600 --> 2:01:44.360 of I just do my own shit cause I gotta 2:01:44.400 --> 2:01:46.840 show it made me like I have to show you 2:01:47.000 --> 2:01:50.760 now that I don't care about none of this. I'm 2:01:50.800 --> 2:01:53.720 my own person, I'm my own entity. Y'all don't control 2:01:53.840 --> 2:01:56.840 anything I do. Y'all don't scare me. I don't give 2:01:56.880 --> 2:02:01.080 a fuck if from Brooklyn, the Bronx, Queensbridge, Bare, queens. 2:02:01.640 --> 2:02:03.160 La, I don't give a fuck where are you from? 2:02:03.280 --> 2:02:04.000 This is my life. 2:02:04.080 --> 2:02:06.080 Everybody live their life, and I don't live my life 2:02:06.120 --> 2:02:09.320 in fear, you know what I'm saying. So it made 2:02:09.400 --> 2:02:11.920 me back up over everybody. It made me back up 2:02:11.960 --> 2:02:14.560 over everybody and just want to do my own thing. 2:02:14.680 --> 2:02:14.800 Man. 2:02:14.840 --> 2:02:17.480 That's why I started doing, you know, my own shit, man, 2:02:17.520 --> 2:02:20.120 because I started dealing with a lot of that, a 2:02:20.200 --> 2:02:22.280 lot of that, you know, just just weird shit people 2:02:22.360 --> 2:02:24.520 like he's not from out here, you know what I'm saying. 2:02:24.560 --> 2:02:27.080 Don't you think it's ironic that like amongst that, all 2:02:27.080 --> 2:02:28.840 those mcs who look at you like that in that way, 2:02:28.840 --> 2:02:31.240 It's like, now they're raising children and they're bringing them 2:02:31.320 --> 2:02:33.120 up in a way that you were brought up in 2:02:33.200 --> 2:02:36.120 your childhood, like culturally and all that stuff. And I 2:02:36.160 --> 2:02:38.400 even thought that now would looking at the video you 2:02:38.560 --> 2:02:40.160 doing bad landing like that, now that we have the 2:02:40.280 --> 2:02:42.120 context of where that come from, it adds to the 2:02:42.200 --> 2:02:44.360 dopeness of who you are, right And now I look 2:02:44.440 --> 2:02:45.760 at even a blue ivy and I'm. 2:02:45.680 --> 2:02:49.440 Like, that's her. She's growing up in that environment. So 2:02:50.000 --> 2:02:52.080 do you see that now as clearly? 2:02:52.240 --> 2:02:57.240 And I just think that, you know, it's not everybody. 2:02:57.760 --> 2:03:00.879 Everybody's not a bad person, Like everybody didn't have that attitude. 2:03:00.920 --> 2:03:04.520 It was only certain particular people and yeah, I mean, 2:03:04.560 --> 2:03:05.840 it just is what it is. 2:03:06.000 --> 2:03:06.160 Man. 2:03:06.240 --> 2:03:08.600 I'm me, Man, you know what I'm saying, And I'm 2:03:08.640 --> 2:03:10.840 the type of person. I was trying to get everybody together, 2:03:11.080 --> 2:03:13.320 and you know I'm that type of person. I'm like, Yo, 2:03:13.960 --> 2:03:16.800 all right, come on, you're gonna rap. We made Annoyed 2:03:17.200 --> 2:03:19.600 and Twin and everybody rap, like you know what I'm saying. 2:03:19.600 --> 2:03:22.320 We was like, nah, you're gonna rap Nigga and Nigga Annoyed, 2:03:22.440 --> 2:03:23.760 Like I don't want to sell drugs. 2:03:23.920 --> 2:03:26.000 I don't want to rap, you know what I'm saying, Like, no, 2:03:26.160 --> 2:03:28.080 come to the studio with us. Come on, you're gonna 2:03:28.160 --> 2:03:29.520 rap son. You know what I'm saying. 2:03:29.560 --> 2:03:31.040 I used to help Anoid write his shit, you know 2:03:31.040 --> 2:03:33.000 what I'm saying. And we used to all help each other, 2:03:33.120 --> 2:03:35.880 you know what I'm saying. And then it was just like, 2:03:35.960 --> 2:03:37.960 you know what I'm saying. I'm that type of person 2:03:38.080 --> 2:03:41.720 to try to, you know, keep the team strong and 2:03:42.040 --> 2:03:45.040 keep everybody together. I shot a movie for Queensbridge, you 2:03:45.040 --> 2:03:47.560 know what I mean, called Murder Music. I put everybody's 2:03:47.560 --> 2:03:50.520 in the movie. Nah's, everybody's in that motherfucker, Like you 2:03:50.560 --> 2:03:52.400 know what I'm saying. That's the type of person I am. 2:03:52.440 --> 2:03:54.320 You know what I'm saying, Like, I try to do 2:03:54.440 --> 2:03:56.520 shit the right way, get it together, and then you 2:03:56.600 --> 2:03:59.560 got niggas that's hate us. They don't want to see that. 2:04:00.280 --> 2:04:01.760 Like he ain't even from out here. 2:04:01.960 --> 2:04:03.640 Why was he doing that? I should be doing it? 2:04:04.440 --> 2:04:05.920 You know what I'm saying. All right, So you listened 2:04:05.920 --> 2:04:06.839 to the quest of Supreme. 2:04:06.880 --> 2:04:09.520 We're into our last hour Prodigy of mob Deep and 2:04:09.680 --> 2:04:13.360 Kaffe Yonderley, journalist and co author of Prodigy's latest book, 2:04:13.360 --> 2:04:16.720 Commisary Kitchen, my infamous prison cookbook, And we'll be right 2:04:16.800 --> 2:04:24.560 back after quick message from our sponsor. So, I feel 2:04:24.600 --> 2:04:29.760 like your journey, it's probably you, of anyone has had 2:04:29.840 --> 2:04:32.040 a kind of a parallel journey to that of like 2:04:32.120 --> 2:04:38.520 Malcolm X, where like you, you had your Detroit Red experience. 2:04:38.120 --> 2:04:41.440 Literally Detroit, right, Oh damn, that's right. 2:04:44.880 --> 2:04:47.800 Yeah, like you you you you had your your Malcolm 2:04:47.840 --> 2:04:52.640 little Detroit read experience. And then in two thousand and 2:04:52.680 --> 2:04:57.320 eight when you had to do your bid you know, 2:04:57.560 --> 2:05:01.680 you said and that that that really change that saved 2:05:01.720 --> 2:05:06.320 my life. Explain that because what I want to know 2:05:06.480 --> 2:05:09.080 and I'm trying to ask it away because I know 2:05:09.160 --> 2:05:11.440 a lot of people have a tendency especially in the press, 2:05:12.280 --> 2:05:16.480 they have a tendency to like fetishize jail. Yeah, like 2:05:16.680 --> 2:05:18.720 or just like people had experience, so tell me what 2:05:18.920 --> 2:05:22.320 was it like or whatever. But I'm I'm personally curious, 2:05:22.440 --> 2:05:28.040 like to be a celebrity going into that environment, like 2:05:28.240 --> 2:05:30.240 what is it what is your first day like when 2:05:30.280 --> 2:05:31.480 you're when you're going there. 2:05:33.560 --> 2:05:35.080 All right, let me let me just back up a 2:05:35.120 --> 2:05:36.960 little bit and say because I always think of it. 2:05:37.360 --> 2:05:39.760 I always think about people comments when they you know 2:05:39.800 --> 2:05:42.400 what I mean, hear the podcast or like people with 2:05:42.520 --> 2:05:44.760 what they say, and a lot of people like to say, 2:05:45.320 --> 2:05:47.120 why is he talking about all this is over? It's 2:05:47.160 --> 2:05:50.200 in the past, Like why you keep saying It's like, 2:05:50.520 --> 2:05:52.360 because this is the questions I'm being. 2:05:52.280 --> 2:05:54.640 Asked, So I have to answer the question. 2:05:55.280 --> 2:05:56.160 All right, you know what I'm saying. 2:05:56.240 --> 2:05:58.160 I just want to make that clear real quick for 2:05:58.240 --> 2:06:01.440 the listeners to shuttle that call shit down, Like I'm 2:06:01.480 --> 2:06:02.440 being asked questions. 2:06:02.520 --> 2:06:04.240 That's why I'm talking about this, Like you know what 2:06:04.240 --> 2:06:07.280 I'm saying. And you know, I wrote a book about 2:06:07.320 --> 2:06:08.280 my life and my youth. 2:06:08.720 --> 2:06:10.800 I wrote a book about my youth and my book 2:06:10.840 --> 2:06:13.880 it talks about all these things, and you know what 2:06:13.880 --> 2:06:16.480 I mean, that's my past. I'm a grown man now, 2:06:16.560 --> 2:06:18.600 you know what I'm saying. So I put my I 2:06:18.720 --> 2:06:20.840 put my youth out there for the people so they 2:06:20.840 --> 2:06:22.600 could see all the fucked up shit. And now I 2:06:22.680 --> 2:06:24.440 grew up in all the fucked up shit that I 2:06:24.520 --> 2:06:26.520 did and been through, and you know what I mean, 2:06:26.640 --> 2:06:29.160 all the good shit and what got me to this point. 2:06:30.160 --> 2:06:31.640 So that's why I did this book. That's why I 2:06:31.720 --> 2:06:32.720 do these interviews. 2:06:32.400 --> 2:06:35.480 And talk about past things a lot, because these are 2:06:35.560 --> 2:06:37.320 questions that people ask and they want to know the 2:06:37.400 --> 2:06:42.080 answers to. So going when I got locked up, it 2:06:42.240 --> 2:06:45.920 was the best thing that happened to me because at 2:06:46.000 --> 2:06:49.760 this time I was dealing with a lot of hatred 2:06:51.280 --> 2:06:53.800 coming from people from certain people from Queensbridge. You know 2:06:53.840 --> 2:06:57.200 what I mean, certain people from uh, you know, wherever, wherever, 2:06:57.280 --> 2:07:00.360 but mostly from Queensbridge. A couple of individuals that have 2:07:00.520 --> 2:07:02.520 few problems with that. They just didn't like me. 2:07:02.840 --> 2:07:03.320 Can I ask a. 2:07:03.360 --> 2:07:06.840 Quick question, so after the infamous, are you still living 2:07:06.960 --> 2:07:08.840 in the queens Bridge area or did you like we 2:07:09.080 --> 2:07:10.280 We probably moved. 2:07:10.320 --> 2:07:13.600 We probably moved like around right after Infamous came out, 2:07:13.600 --> 2:07:15.200 you know, I mean, I was living with having Queensland 2:07:15.240 --> 2:07:17.480 for like two years when we was working on the 2:07:17.560 --> 2:07:19.480 Infamous you know what I'm saying, Right, we would stay 2:07:19.520 --> 2:07:21.720 at his crib or that we would take the equipment 2:07:21.760 --> 2:07:24.560 back to Long Island Hempstead changed the scenery for a 2:07:24.600 --> 2:07:26.640 little while, then we go back to queens Bridge, like 2:07:26.640 --> 2:07:29.440 you know what I'm saying. So after the Infamous drop 2:07:29.480 --> 2:07:31.320 and we was doing tours and shit, we kind of 2:07:31.440 --> 2:07:33.920 like but we would still go back all the time 2:07:33.920 --> 2:07:35.920 because that's our peoples is on the block, you know 2:07:35.960 --> 2:07:37.920 what I mean. And we grew up with the mentalities. 2:07:37.960 --> 2:07:41.320 You don't shit on your people, okay, you always take 2:07:41.360 --> 2:07:42.440 care of your people, like you know what I mean. 2:07:42.520 --> 2:07:45.680 You don't run away from problems. You don't run away 2:07:46.200 --> 2:07:48.720 from anything. You deal with it, You face it, you 2:07:48.760 --> 2:07:50.000 know what I mean, and you deal with the shit. 2:07:50.080 --> 2:07:52.120 That's how we grew up. So that's why I was 2:07:52.160 --> 2:07:55.960 still there in these communities dealing with my peoples that 2:07:56.040 --> 2:07:57.920 I grew up with my pizs because I'm not the 2:07:57.960 --> 2:08:01.640 type of person that's gonna run away from shit that 2:08:01.680 --> 2:08:03.240 gotta deal with, Like you know what I'm saying. So 2:08:03.640 --> 2:08:07.800 we were just learning how to navigate, uh, being celebrity 2:08:07.920 --> 2:08:08.800 and all that shit, and so. 2:08:08.920 --> 2:08:12.480 It's never awkward going back there, even though you're obviously 2:08:12.640 --> 2:08:14.760 established as a celebrity rapper and. 2:08:15.120 --> 2:08:17.520 Nah, because that was just like home base. That was 2:08:17.600 --> 2:08:19.200 like the block. You know what I'm saying. We go 2:08:19.280 --> 2:08:21.120 to the block, have fun, like drink all night. 2:08:21.400 --> 2:08:21.720 We used to. 2:08:21.760 --> 2:08:23.600 I just fall asleep on the bench, wake up in 2:08:23.640 --> 2:08:25.520 the morning, little kids going to school, you know what 2:08:25.560 --> 2:08:28.200 I'm saying, Like I'm waking up like, oh shit, Like 2:08:28.560 --> 2:08:29.040 you know what I mean. 2:08:29.120 --> 2:08:31.480 So it's just like that was the block. That's why. 2:08:31.600 --> 2:08:34.360 That's why our friends is at. We made something monumental 2:08:35.040 --> 2:08:39.000 from this block. We created Infamous, Mob Deep, we created 2:08:39.040 --> 2:08:41.600 all this shit. So this is our ship, this is 2:08:41.680 --> 2:08:44.800 our people, like, this is our home team. So that's 2:08:44.840 --> 2:08:49.720 how mentality was. But you know, after a while, you know, 2:08:50.080 --> 2:08:54.160 we deal with a lot of jealousy people black pink 2:08:54.240 --> 2:08:55.520 Pee coming around with a jewelry on. 2:08:55.960 --> 2:08:58.360 He ain't from out here, right, Oh nigga rapping about 2:08:58.360 --> 2:09:01.320 my life while you rapping about my life, Like that's 2:09:01.360 --> 2:09:02.840 what they like to say. Like you know what I'm saying, 2:09:02.960 --> 2:09:05.360 Rapping about my life. Everybody likes to say that that's 2:09:05.400 --> 2:09:08.640 so crazy. But anyway, I was dealing with people that 2:09:09.200 --> 2:09:12.960 didn't grow up with me. Have it, grew up with 2:09:13.040 --> 2:09:15.720 all these people, you know all I knowying twin, they 2:09:15.760 --> 2:09:16.880 grew up with all these niggas. 2:09:17.040 --> 2:09:18.360 I didn't grow up with these people, you. 2:09:18.360 --> 2:09:21.000 Know what I'm saying. So they don't know me. I 2:09:21.080 --> 2:09:24.280 don't really know them. We're figuring out each other. I'm 2:09:24.360 --> 2:09:28.600 seeing who scared who not, who's putting pressure on people 2:09:28.920 --> 2:09:30.720 who're doing this. I'm like, oh, word, that's how these 2:09:30.800 --> 2:09:32.440 niggas get dawn Like word, that's how it's. 2:09:32.320 --> 2:09:33.000 Out here in the world. 2:09:33.320 --> 2:09:35.400 Like you know what I'm saying, I'm learning. I'm kids still, 2:09:35.480 --> 2:09:38.120 like I'm learning as I go. And you know, we 2:09:38.200 --> 2:09:39.600 got to the point where we were just dealing with 2:09:39.640 --> 2:09:42.360 a lot of jealousy and we had to click up. 2:09:42.480 --> 2:09:44.240 We had to strap up, like you know what I mean, 2:09:44.480 --> 2:09:47.240 it's on Like we had to strap up, like we 2:09:47.400 --> 2:09:50.400 got beef with niggas that shoot people. You know what 2:09:50.440 --> 2:09:53.920 I'm saying, Like these niggas shoot people like and that's it. 2:09:54.600 --> 2:09:57.560 So they cut people, shoot people like That's who we 2:09:57.680 --> 2:10:00.480 was dealing with. So I'm protecting my myself, you know 2:10:00.520 --> 2:10:02.600 what I mean, I would carry the hammer. I'm not 2:10:02.720 --> 2:10:05.320 out doing no harm to nobody, you know what i mean. 2:10:05.480 --> 2:10:08.560 At this point in my life, I'm just protecting myself. 2:10:10.000 --> 2:10:12.040 So you know, it just got bad, man. It got 2:10:12.160 --> 2:10:15.560 to the point where you know, I started just just 2:10:15.760 --> 2:10:17.600 losing it, man, Like you know what I'm saying so 2:10:17.720 --> 2:10:19.320 much negative, negative. 2:10:18.960 --> 2:10:23.680 Thoughts, so much all the time, Just ready to shoot somebody. 2:10:24.520 --> 2:10:27.080 Every time I get out my car and walk into 2:10:27.160 --> 2:10:30.040 my crib or what whatever, I'm like, all right, it's 2:10:30.080 --> 2:10:32.240 somebody gonna try to run up on my car or 2:10:32.680 --> 2:10:35.240 be in the bushes or I'm on point, Like you 2:10:35.280 --> 2:10:37.280 know what I'm saying, Like certain shit that we used 2:10:37.320 --> 2:10:38.600 to do to people back in the days. 2:10:38.640 --> 2:10:41.000 We was bad kids, Like we was bad growing up 2:10:41.000 --> 2:10:43.400 in high school. We was like Carma would come back there. 2:10:43.520 --> 2:10:45.760 We was foul niggas. We was doing foul shit to people, 2:10:45.920 --> 2:10:47.000 were robbing people. 2:10:46.880 --> 2:10:50.600 Doing foul you know, young young shit, right, So I 2:10:50.680 --> 2:10:53.600 got the mentality already, like that's how niggas get down, 2:10:53.920 --> 2:10:56.040 and I'm not gonna let that happen to me. So 2:10:56.440 --> 2:10:59.320 I'm like, you know, carrying guns, I'm dealing with this 2:10:59.440 --> 2:11:03.920 mentality or time, and that shit rots your fucking brain 2:11:04.160 --> 2:11:08.760 and your your spirit. That shit rots you keep thinking 2:11:08.880 --> 2:11:11.000 like that and keep living like that and moving like that, 2:11:11.560 --> 2:11:13.960 it just takes away from your spirit. Man, It just 2:11:14.080 --> 2:11:16.960 makes you a foul person after a while, Like you 2:11:17.000 --> 2:11:18.840 know what I mean, because you're dealing with all this 2:11:18.960 --> 2:11:21.640 negativity and people saying they gonna do this to me 2:11:21.720 --> 2:11:25.240 when they see me and making threats, and then I 2:11:25.320 --> 2:11:27.080 gotta stand up for myself. 2:11:26.880 --> 2:11:28.720 Like, nigga, you ain't doing nothing when you see me, 2:11:28.920 --> 2:11:29.600 Like you know what I'm saying. 2:11:29.640 --> 2:11:30.680 And that's just what it was. 2:11:30.800 --> 2:11:35.280 So unfortunately, this is the you know, the crazy life 2:11:36.120 --> 2:11:37.920 that I was growing up living and the shit that 2:11:37.960 --> 2:11:39.920 I had to deal with, and it got to the 2:11:39.960 --> 2:11:42.440 point where you know, I was just out of control, 2:11:42.600 --> 2:11:46.800 man smoking, man weig, just drinking heavily, like I was 2:11:46.880 --> 2:11:49.680 already learned that shit fucks up my sicker cell when 2:11:49.720 --> 2:11:53.440 I do that. But I was so angry and just 2:11:53.560 --> 2:11:57.880 wanting to hurt somebody, just always like trickle finger, itchy, 2:11:58.000 --> 2:12:01.400 like ready to show a nigga, like don't play with me, 2:12:01.600 --> 2:12:03.760 like I'm just trying to. I'm going about my business, 2:12:04.000 --> 2:12:06.800 doing my music I'm making my money. Don't come over 2:12:06.840 --> 2:12:08.560 here playing with my life, you know what I'm saying, 2:12:08.560 --> 2:12:10.640 because you're gonna find out what happens. 2:12:11.160 --> 2:12:12.680 So this is my mentality every day. 2:12:12.760 --> 2:12:14.880 And that's just started to like I said, it started 2:12:14.920 --> 2:12:17.680 to ride away in my spirit, my brain. Everything was 2:12:17.800 --> 2:12:20.520 just like h it felt disgusting. And I didn't realize 2:12:21.480 --> 2:12:24.040 how disgusting it was until I got caught with the 2:12:24.080 --> 2:12:25.960 gun in my car, got locked up, and I just 2:12:25.960 --> 2:12:30.040 started thinking about everything, like damn, just just living that 2:12:30.200 --> 2:12:33.760 life and just not thinking being young minded, and it 2:12:33.920 --> 2:12:35.200 was just it was just bad. 2:12:35.320 --> 2:12:36.400 It wasn't good, man. 2:12:36.560 --> 2:12:38.960 It was I was I was gonna eventually get killed 2:12:40.000 --> 2:12:42.640 or some or I was gonna kill somebody or hurt out, 2:12:42.640 --> 2:12:43.680 and I would have went to jail. 2:12:44.240 --> 2:12:46.040 One of the other was definitely gonna happen. 2:12:46.280 --> 2:12:49.400 That was definitely, for sure, one thousand percent gonna happen 2:12:49.680 --> 2:12:51.440 eventually if I didn't go to jail. You know what 2:12:51.480 --> 2:12:56.040 I'm saying. It was like serious, and it's sad to 2:12:56.080 --> 2:12:57.280 say it's like that, you know what I mean? And 2:12:57.400 --> 2:12:59.160 I know a lot of people who listen to this interview, 2:12:59.240 --> 2:13:01.240 Like I said on the album, like you know what 2:13:01.240 --> 2:13:01.480 I mean. 2:13:01.440 --> 2:13:04.760 Pete think he tough? Pee talking tough? Nah, you real. 2:13:05.080 --> 2:13:06.440 You know what I'm saying. I think it's tough. 2:13:06.800 --> 2:13:08.680 But I like to address the people that think that 2:13:08.880 --> 2:13:11.280 so they can hear me say that. So save your 2:13:11.320 --> 2:13:14.400 little pee think he tough comment, because I'm already ahead 2:13:14.400 --> 2:13:17.080 of you. Though I know that's what you're thinking. I doubt. 2:13:20.000 --> 2:13:23.240 We have a bunch of nervous some people. 2:13:23.400 --> 2:13:24.800 They hear that and they be like, oh this. You know, 2:13:24.960 --> 2:13:26.800 this guy think he's talking tough. He trying to make 2:13:26.840 --> 2:13:29.400 his he trying to portray his life that something that 2:13:29.520 --> 2:13:31.440 is not. I'm just being honest with you. 2:13:31.920 --> 2:13:32.560 You know what it was. 2:13:32.640 --> 2:13:34.560 I really thank you for this, because the thing is 2:13:34.680 --> 2:13:39.200 that hip hop really doesn't allow for its figures to 2:13:39.320 --> 2:13:43.560 come uh in a kind of a three dimensional, flesh 2:13:43.600 --> 2:13:47.160 and blood tone like this is the first time I'm 2:13:47.240 --> 2:13:50.560 really hearing your story. Like I've known of you for 2:13:50.760 --> 2:13:53.920 twenty plus years as an artist, and I've read lots 2:13:53.960 --> 2:13:59.960 of articles, but you know, I've never ever known about 2:14:00.200 --> 2:14:02.240 your life or your experiences like this is the first 2:14:02.280 --> 2:14:06.240 time I'm really, really really hearing you as a human being, 2:14:06.520 --> 2:14:09.680 even speaking complete sentences. So no, no, no, I mean 2:14:09.720 --> 2:14:12.320 I think the contrary. I think, if anything, you know, 2:14:12.520 --> 2:14:19.440 it's more you really showing a human side to your 2:14:19.480 --> 2:14:20.920 life journey and your experiences. 2:14:21.680 --> 2:14:25.520 You know, I was going down a a bad role 2:14:25.680 --> 2:14:28.680 man because it was just like shit was escalating, The 2:14:28.840 --> 2:14:32.680 drama was escalating, the threats people were making threats to 2:14:32.800 --> 2:14:37.040 us was escalating. Like it was getting really crazy, especially 2:14:37.080 --> 2:14:39.120 with at the gu and the deal and the money 2:14:39.200 --> 2:14:41.320 got even bigger. A lot of people was like, all 2:14:41.360 --> 2:14:43.680 these niggas are stupid. While they signed fifty, now they 2:14:43.760 --> 2:14:45.640 looking as like we stupid. They don't even understand that 2:14:46.160 --> 2:14:47.840 we got a relationship with fifty, Like you know what 2:14:47.880 --> 2:14:51.040 I'm saying, Fifty from sulf Side, just like my family, 2:14:51.560 --> 2:14:53.080 Like you know what I'm saying, Like we got friends 2:14:53.120 --> 2:14:55.000 in common, you know what I mean that, Like me 2:14:55.080 --> 2:14:56.680 and fifty got friends in Carmon, Like you know what 2:14:56.680 --> 2:14:57.080 I'm saying. 2:14:58.680 --> 2:14:59.640 It was just meant to be. 2:15:00.080 --> 2:15:00.640 You know what I'm saying. 2:15:00.920 --> 2:15:03.080 He got in a position where he was able to 2:15:03.280 --> 2:15:05.600 put you on, reach back in to some of his 2:15:05.760 --> 2:15:08.240 favorite all this or whatever, and he was like, mom, deep, 2:15:08.360 --> 2:15:09.560 come on, you coming with me. 2:15:10.000 --> 2:15:10.960 You know what I'm saying. Come on? 2:15:11.160 --> 2:15:14.120 We was like hold up, you know what I'm saying, 2:15:14.240 --> 2:15:16.000 Like what we're gonna get out of this? 2:15:16.240 --> 2:15:17.520 You know what I mean? He was like, You're gonna 2:15:17.520 --> 2:15:18.440 get this. You're gonna get this. 2:15:18.520 --> 2:15:20.040 You're gonna get this. We was like, where do we 2:15:20.160 --> 2:15:20.640 sign up? 2:15:20.920 --> 2:15:21.600 You know what I'm saying? 2:15:21.760 --> 2:15:23.200 Like, we was like, where do we sign up? 2:15:23.320 --> 2:15:25.880 I was queen. I was. I was one of the people. 2:15:26.240 --> 2:15:28.480 It's funny. I was on the people like years ago, 2:15:29.120 --> 2:15:30.880 uh that I wrote a review. 2:15:30.960 --> 2:15:33.800 It wasn't even review. I was just on our little 2:15:33.880 --> 2:15:37.080 website and I was talking about the album. 2:15:37.280 --> 2:15:37.480 I know. 2:15:39.200 --> 2:15:41.000 What it was. 2:15:41.400 --> 2:15:43.360 Okay, I was on the lawn. It was like just 2:15:43.680 --> 2:15:47.640 just right, but then the lawn. But then it went 2:15:47.720 --> 2:15:53.040 to okay player and then no, I was just a dude. 2:15:53.080 --> 2:15:55.440 I'm all my message, but were just talking whatever. I'm like, man, 2:15:55.440 --> 2:15:57.400 ain't nobody gonna read this ship. It's like thirty people 2:15:57.480 --> 2:16:00.680 here whatever. Then this ship goes okay player. Then like 2:16:00.960 --> 2:16:05.160 two three days later XXL, this is mom, what the 2:16:05.280 --> 2:16:08.080 fuck are you serious? So then like a couple of 2:16:08.160 --> 2:16:09.960 years later it was I guess it was right before 2:16:10.000 --> 2:16:12.680 you went in and like he wrote, he wrote a blog. 2:16:12.760 --> 2:16:14.080 He was like, you know what I'm saying. 2:16:14.200 --> 2:16:14.400 He was. 2:16:14.600 --> 2:16:16.320 He was like, this is me back. I was like, okay, 2:16:16.360 --> 2:16:23.680 well else so so then like it's like for guests 2:16:23.720 --> 2:16:24.120 in a row. 2:16:25.560 --> 2:16:37.320 So dude, so so and be and you this is 2:16:37.360 --> 2:16:39.640 our first time like really talking talking like we met 2:16:39.760 --> 2:16:41.760 like once I met you once an OL's crib like 2:16:42.040 --> 2:16:45.360 years ago. But but yeah, but we was, uh this 2:16:45.480 --> 2:16:49.320 first time we really talked. And so afterwards the joint 2:16:49.400 --> 2:16:51.320 came out and then you did the blog and then 2:16:51.320 --> 2:16:54.240 you went on your in your bid. So then Ol 2:16:54.360 --> 2:16:55.440 was on tour with us for a minute. 2:16:55.480 --> 2:16:56.000 We was touring. 2:16:56.240 --> 2:16:59.480 Uh it was LB little brother and Evidence was with 2:16:59.640 --> 2:17:02.160 us and he our with and so being out on 2:17:02.240 --> 2:17:04.640 the bus like we just chopping up about everything, were 2:17:04.680 --> 2:17:07.600 just talking whatever and he was he asked me, He's like, yo, 2:17:07.840 --> 2:17:10.400 the the album, Like Yo, why you go? I was like, dog, 2:17:10.520 --> 2:17:13.760 it wasn't that, I said, first off, I did you know, 2:17:14.520 --> 2:17:16.920 listen back to it? Like at that point, I said, 2:17:16.959 --> 2:17:20.680 it was better much like Phrenology. I think it aged 2:17:20.800 --> 2:17:22.879 better than it was than it did. 2:17:23.480 --> 2:17:25.440 Critique the album myself. 2:17:25.440 --> 2:17:26.680 You know what I'm saying. When I when I read 2:17:26.720 --> 2:17:28.560 what you had said, it made me think that shi 2:17:28.600 --> 2:17:30.920 it hit me. I was like he said, he said, 2:17:31.040 --> 2:17:32.280 we got rich and stopped trying. 2:17:40.280 --> 2:17:45.920 When I suggested yesterday, I suggested that gonna be on 2:17:45.959 --> 2:17:49.680 the show your first start. I was like, I was like, okay, 2:17:50.000 --> 2:17:51.600 but but it weren't gonna. 2:17:51.400 --> 2:17:53.600 Be nothing if it's real, beef. 2:17:56.320 --> 2:17:59.080 Was I was just like, it's not like. It ain't 2:17:59.120 --> 2:17:59.280 like that. 2:18:00.920 --> 2:18:02.960 But when you said, Look, when you said that, it 2:18:03.080 --> 2:18:05.680 made me think, like and being being locked up that 2:18:05.720 --> 2:18:07.600 shit just made me think about everything. Made me think 2:18:07.600 --> 2:18:10.440 about life and decisions that we would make in just everything, 2:18:11.080 --> 2:18:13.200 because you know, I'm sitting there without nothing else to 2:18:13.280 --> 2:18:14.880 do but think, so I'm not just thinking about my 2:18:14.920 --> 2:18:15.920 own life and decisions. 2:18:15.959 --> 2:18:17.199 We made business decisions. 2:18:17.760 --> 2:18:20.320 And then I read I read that, and I would 2:18:20.360 --> 2:18:22.720 listen to the album and hear other people talk about 2:18:23.280 --> 2:18:23.920 it was mad. 2:18:23.840 --> 2:18:26.680 We signed a gu on it, but that but you 2:18:26.760 --> 2:18:28.879 were coming from a different perspective. It was other people 2:18:29.040 --> 2:18:31.200 that was like just mad we signed G and they like, 2:18:31.280 --> 2:18:33.320 y'all mom yo, I was. I was on Ah Street 2:18:33.320 --> 2:18:35.720 one day and this old black lady, she had to 2:18:35.800 --> 2:18:38.280 be like seventy years old, she seen me. 2:18:38.560 --> 2:18:43.440 She was like prodig No. I was like yeah, she 2:18:43.600 --> 2:18:46.400 was like, yo, why the fuck y'all signed I said 2:18:48.680 --> 2:18:49.520 that shit shocked down. 2:18:51.080 --> 2:18:53.039 I was like, yo, she was like, y'all mob deep. 2:18:53.120 --> 2:18:55.440 Y'all supposed to be just mob deep. You don't sign 2:18:55.600 --> 2:18:58.119 nobody else. I'm like, yo, it's just a business move 2:18:58.160 --> 2:19:01.280 like on me, like it's a queen's think, like nah nah. 2:19:01.959 --> 2:19:05.000 She was upset what it was. As a fan, it 2:19:05.120 --> 2:19:07.480 made sense for me, like I thought he was from Queens. 2:19:07.520 --> 2:19:08.840 They from Queens. He looking out. 2:19:08.920 --> 2:19:10.680 I got that, I guess just for me at that 2:19:10.800 --> 2:19:12.640 time as a family grant, this is ten years ago, 2:19:12.720 --> 2:19:14.360 you know what I mean. We all have grown whatever 2:19:14.400 --> 2:19:14.720 it is then. 2:19:14.800 --> 2:19:16.800 But my thing was because y'all was coming off the 2:19:17.400 --> 2:19:19.800 Free Agents Joint and that was my ship. 2:19:19.840 --> 2:19:24.800 I was like, yo, actually we was coming off America's. 2:19:26.920 --> 2:19:28.280 That's right. It was a job, That's right. It was 2:19:28.280 --> 2:19:29.360 because we went from jobs. 2:19:33.080 --> 2:19:34.840 And so with that, I was just like, I mean, 2:19:35.080 --> 2:19:37.720 the stuff that y'all was doing with alchemists, particularly like 2:19:37.840 --> 2:19:40.240 you and Alchemi, is just the chemistry y'all had and 2:19:40.400 --> 2:19:42.440 still have, like with Return of the Mac. 2:19:42.480 --> 2:19:45.959 And I was like, yo, they just do that. I'm like, man. 2:19:46.280 --> 2:19:48.640 So then so for me, just coming from that perspective 2:19:48.640 --> 2:19:50.360 where I said that got riches I was just like, 2:19:50.520 --> 2:19:52.840 man like, to me, it just felt like like I 2:19:52.959 --> 2:19:56.320 understood on paper and business wise wise work, but just 2:19:56.400 --> 2:19:59.039 to me, just as a true hardcore fan. 2:19:58.959 --> 2:20:01.680 I was just like, and they could have just did them. 2:20:01.720 --> 2:20:03.959 When I thought about it, I was like, he was right. 2:20:05.440 --> 2:20:09.400 Because I'm sitting there listening to Yo. I examined that 2:20:09.600 --> 2:20:12.640 album that you Union album. We did so much, And 2:20:12.800 --> 2:20:14.240 what I got out of it is when I when 2:20:14.240 --> 2:20:16.880 I was in jail, when I was just like listening 2:20:16.920 --> 2:20:18.720 to it and listening to it and trying to figure 2:20:18.720 --> 2:20:20.600 out why people were saying things that they were saying, 2:20:20.640 --> 2:20:23.480 and I was like, I was like, Okay, the first 2:20:23.520 --> 2:20:25.920 thing I noticed that it was too much G on 2:20:26.000 --> 2:20:26.600 it on the album. 2:20:26.879 --> 2:20:28.560 They was on almost every song. 2:20:29.080 --> 2:20:31.480 I didn't realize that whow with making it, we were 2:20:31.560 --> 2:20:33.960 just having fun, like oh Ship, come on do this, 2:20:34.120 --> 2:20:35.879 Oh Buck, come on, Buck, get on this song. 2:20:36.640 --> 2:20:37.920 You know, Banks get on this one. Like you know 2:20:37.920 --> 2:20:38.320 what I'm saying. 2:20:38.360 --> 2:20:41.680 We're not even thinking, like we're just having fun moving 2:20:42.520 --> 2:20:44.880 so but you know, being in jail, sitting there with 2:20:45.000 --> 2:20:47.440 nothing to do, I'm just like listening analyzing the album, 2:20:47.440 --> 2:20:51.080 I'm like, oh, okay, it's too they on too many songs. 2:20:51.440 --> 2:20:54.080 Not only that, but it was it was too many, 2:20:54.240 --> 2:20:58.240 like beats from like outsiders that wasn't really like mob 2:20:58.360 --> 2:20:59.440 deep sound and beats, you know. 2:20:59.400 --> 2:20:59.720 What I mean. 2:21:00.040 --> 2:21:02.200 But we didn't realize that while we sitting there making it. 2:21:02.280 --> 2:21:05.840 We was like so caught up on the G five 2:21:06.200 --> 2:21:08.200 on going up to it, and we like, you know, 2:21:08.360 --> 2:21:10.120 we were just living a high life, like you know 2:21:10.160 --> 2:21:10.600 what I'm saying. 2:21:10.680 --> 2:21:13.600 Like we was already used to, you know, having fun, 2:21:13.800 --> 2:21:15.600 living that life on the road, but now it was 2:21:15.760 --> 2:21:18.600 just like living that life on stepoids, like you know 2:21:18.640 --> 2:21:20.360 what I'm saying, with the inner school money now and 2:21:20.480 --> 2:21:24.039 the big budget and the private jets and arenas every night, 2:21:24.160 --> 2:21:24.440 like you know. 2:21:24.440 --> 2:21:24.720 What I mean. 2:21:24.840 --> 2:21:29.120 So we was just lost, man, Like we was lost 2:21:29.200 --> 2:21:30.400 at that point, like you know what I mean. 2:21:30.440 --> 2:21:35.160 And I was officially lost because I'm already I already 2:21:35.160 --> 2:21:38.960 got the attitude like I gotta defend myself like it's 2:21:39.080 --> 2:21:42.039 mad threats going on. So the threats is even higher 2:21:42.080 --> 2:21:43.720 that because they know we got bread. They know we 2:21:44.080 --> 2:21:46.360 you know, fifty, I bought a bulletproof truck. I'm like 2:21:46.480 --> 2:21:48.280 these niggas know what I'm saying. I'm like fifty moving 2:21:48.360 --> 2:21:50.560 right I'm about to do the same thing because we 2:21:50.680 --> 2:21:53.000 getting threats like that, and we kind of got beef 2:21:53.080 --> 2:21:54.800 with like the same niggas almost like you know what 2:21:54.800 --> 2:21:55.040 I mean. 2:21:55.200 --> 2:21:58.560 So it was like, you know, I just wasn't living right. 2:21:58.720 --> 2:22:03.440 So not living right plus access to all of that, 2:22:04.440 --> 2:22:07.560 no money and high life, it was just like a 2:22:07.720 --> 2:22:09.000 recipe for disaster. 2:22:09.360 --> 2:22:10.000 You know what I'm saying. 2:22:10.160 --> 2:22:12.600 I was I was gone. I was gone, dog, you 2:22:12.640 --> 2:22:14.160 know what I mean? Like, I was gone. 2:22:14.320 --> 2:22:16.720 So I had to get locked up that first that 2:22:16.920 --> 2:22:18.440 first week or the first day, like. 2:22:20.360 --> 2:22:24.360 It is the goal just to be under the radar 2:22:25.200 --> 2:22:29.120 and do your time or like for people that are 2:22:29.200 --> 2:22:32.959 notable and and doing time. Is there a thing where 2:22:33.040 --> 2:22:35.120 the judge is like, okay, I know, because I know 2:22:35.240 --> 2:22:38.760 in Tupac's case he was they gladly threw him in 2:22:38.840 --> 2:22:41.080 Jim Pop, Like all right, you go to Jim Pop, 2:22:41.520 --> 2:22:41.879 no no. 2:22:42.000 --> 2:22:44.160 Protection, you know what I'm saying. So is it a 2:22:44.240 --> 2:22:44.920 thing where. 2:22:46.720 --> 2:22:48.920 Like what is your goal or what is your thought 2:22:49.040 --> 2:22:53.400 mentality that first week there, especially with your condition, which 2:22:53.480 --> 2:22:54.359 leads to the book. 2:22:54.720 --> 2:22:57.720 Which when I when I got locked up, when I 2:22:57.840 --> 2:22:59.320 realized I had to go to jail. 2:22:59.280 --> 2:23:01.720 And serve three and a half years and I got 2:23:01.800 --> 2:23:05.280 locked up. I was like, all right, need to deal 2:23:05.320 --> 2:23:07.480 with this, right, I gotta do this time, you know 2:23:07.560 --> 2:23:09.120 what I'm saying. And I went in there with the 2:23:09.200 --> 2:23:12.160 attitude like you know, I don't want to make friends 2:23:12.600 --> 2:23:15.000 like you said, fly under the radar through my time, 2:23:16.080 --> 2:23:17.960 get the forge out of there, get my shit. And 2:23:18.200 --> 2:23:20.200 I went in there with the mentality to get my 2:23:20.280 --> 2:23:21.119 shit together. 2:23:21.400 --> 2:23:23.000 Because I already knew what my problem was. 2:23:23.040 --> 2:23:26.720 I already knew what the downfall was as far as 2:23:27.280 --> 2:23:29.400 like streak shit I was going through in my health 2:23:29.560 --> 2:23:31.640 and just my spirituality. 2:23:31.920 --> 2:23:33.760 I was my spirit wasn't right, you know what I mean. 2:23:33.879 --> 2:23:36.200 So I went in there with the plans to get 2:23:36.360 --> 2:23:39.280 my spirit together, get my body together, get my health 2:23:39.320 --> 2:23:42.560 in order come and try to come out a better person. 2:23:43.200 --> 2:23:44.920 So I really went in there and went to school 2:23:45.000 --> 2:23:47.240 with my I went to school to learn myself. 2:23:47.440 --> 2:23:50.440 How much time did you have to prepare from the 2:23:50.480 --> 2:23:54.000 time that your sentence to the time that you're going 2:23:54.080 --> 2:23:56.360 in because I know that you have a family take 2:23:56.400 --> 2:23:58.280 cut care of and that sort of thing. So it 2:23:58.400 --> 2:24:01.840 was like it was about maybe a few months, like 2:24:01.959 --> 2:24:04.080 three four months maybe, okay, you know what I mean? 2:24:04.240 --> 2:24:07.360 And Yeah, I went in there with the attitude like 2:24:07.400 --> 2:24:09.280 I'm going in here to get my shit together. 2:24:09.720 --> 2:24:10.320 I'm gonna learn. 2:24:10.400 --> 2:24:14.440 I'm gonna discipline myself as far as diet, as far 2:24:14.560 --> 2:24:19.160 as uh, you know, just spirituality, my thoughts, you know 2:24:19.200 --> 2:24:20.920 what I mean. I started reading a lot of books 2:24:20.959 --> 2:24:23.840 on you know, your thought patterns, and you know that 2:24:24.320 --> 2:24:26.959 if you have negative thoughts to change it immediately into 2:24:27.040 --> 2:24:31.040 something positive. And once you practice, when you practice that, 2:24:31.760 --> 2:24:33.800 it becomes normal. You know what I'm saying. Once you 2:24:33.920 --> 2:24:36.480 practice getting rid of negative thoughts as soon as you think, 2:24:36.520 --> 2:24:40.280 it becomes normal. And just you know everything, man, just 2:24:40.320 --> 2:24:42.520 getting better with myself and just trying to become a 2:24:42.560 --> 2:24:45.120 better person. And like I said, I was listening to 2:24:45.240 --> 2:24:48.120 the albums and seeing what we did wrong, what we 2:24:48.240 --> 2:24:51.240 was doing right. I was just analyzing everything, like and 2:24:52.000 --> 2:24:53.680 it took me some time to adjust because I was 2:24:53.720 --> 2:24:56.360 writing blogs and you know what I mean, still popping 2:24:56.360 --> 2:24:59.119 shit and talking crazy shit. But then after a while 2:24:59.240 --> 2:25:00.920 started being like, Okay. 2:25:00.760 --> 2:25:03.280 I'm going about this all wrong. You know what I'm saying. 2:25:03.320 --> 2:25:06.680 I gotta I gotta be more, you know, I gotta 2:25:06.720 --> 2:25:08.720 be more humble, humbling, like you know what I'm saying, 2:25:08.840 --> 2:25:11.720 humble myself from calm down, and you know what I'm saying. 2:25:12.040 --> 2:25:13.880 I was sitting in the date room one day with 2:25:14.080 --> 2:25:16.000 my one of my young homies in there, his name 2:25:16.080 --> 2:25:19.760 is Fresh, and were watching BT and somebody video came 2:25:19.800 --> 2:25:21.240 on and I was, man, that shit is garbage. 2:25:21.280 --> 2:25:21.879 You like this shit? 2:25:22.600 --> 2:25:24.520 He was like, yo, Pee, why you say everything is 2:25:24.600 --> 2:25:27.879 garbage when you're like, like, give people a chance. Son, 2:25:28.120 --> 2:25:30.040 He's like, why you don't give nobody a chance? Like 2:25:30.720 --> 2:25:32.720 when he said he said he was dead serious and 2:25:32.800 --> 2:25:33.640 said it just like that. 2:25:34.160 --> 2:25:34.280 Now. 2:25:34.400 --> 2:25:36.400 He made me look at myself. I never thought about that. 2:25:36.560 --> 2:25:39.360 I was like, I was like, damn you right, Like 2:25:39.480 --> 2:25:40.120 I never like. 2:25:40.480 --> 2:25:41.240 I was like, you're right. 2:25:41.560 --> 2:25:43.039 He was like, Yo, the dude just trying to get 2:25:43.040 --> 2:25:45.879 his money. My niggas like everybody, you know, not the same, 2:25:46.680 --> 2:25:50.199 everybody got different tastes. Just let that man get his money, 2:25:50.320 --> 2:25:51.680 like stop shitting on everybody. 2:25:51.800 --> 2:25:53.600 Like you know what I'm saying. And it made me. 2:25:53.840 --> 2:25:56.640 That shit made me. That shit changed me. I was like, oh, 2:25:56.959 --> 2:25:58.360 I was like, I never thought of it like that. 2:25:58.840 --> 2:26:00.920 Somebody nobody ever said that to me before. You know 2:26:00.959 --> 2:26:03.680 what I'm saying. They were just letting me be me. 2:26:04.080 --> 2:26:06.120 No one challenged you, right, didn't never say that was 2:26:06.160 --> 2:26:08.039 wrong with you? Like why you shut the fuck up? 2:26:08.200 --> 2:26:10.160 Like you know what I'm saying, Let that man get 2:26:10.200 --> 2:26:12.080 his money, like you know what I'm saying. And I 2:26:12.240 --> 2:26:14.800 was made me look at myself. I felt stupid when 2:26:14.840 --> 2:26:16.600 he said that, you know what I mean. I was like, damn, 2:26:16.920 --> 2:26:18.760 I had the wrong attitude this whole time. 2:26:19.440 --> 2:26:20.040 You know what I'm saying. 2:26:20.160 --> 2:26:25.600 Now, how does how does someone survive in that system 2:26:26.600 --> 2:26:31.760 with uh dietary restrictions? Like is it possible to be 2:26:32.040 --> 2:26:36.680 a vegan in jail or a vegetarian? And does the 2:26:36.800 --> 2:26:44.160 private prison complex even allow for those types of foods 2:26:44.320 --> 2:26:47.320 to for you to even have access to that? 2:26:48.840 --> 2:26:49.000 Well? 2:26:49.040 --> 2:26:52.000 Everyoneor do they care? Every prison is different. 2:26:52.800 --> 2:26:56.200 Every prison allowed different things, and every prison you know, 2:26:56.360 --> 2:26:59.879 won't allow certain things, and so every prison is different. 2:27:00.080 --> 2:27:03.400 One will let you know, a whole chicken, and the 2:27:03.480 --> 2:27:05.160 other they won't let you let it in. 2:27:05.240 --> 2:27:06.200 You know what I mean. It's just so. 2:27:08.400 --> 2:27:11.880 You have and like the packaging, the way it's packaged, 2:27:11.920 --> 2:27:16.000 the way it's sealed, the color on the packaging, Like every. 2:27:15.920 --> 2:27:16.800 Jail is different. 2:27:17.480 --> 2:27:19.520 It's real specific, you know what I mean, for each 2:27:19.800 --> 2:27:21.959 individual jet some jails you can have CDs. 2:27:22.959 --> 2:27:25.560 Other jails you can't have CDs. You only have cassettes. 2:27:26.280 --> 2:27:28.680 Some jails, you know what I mean, that's they still 2:27:28.720 --> 2:27:30.680 got Yeah, they still got cossetts. 2:27:31.080 --> 2:27:31.800 In certain jails. 2:27:31.840 --> 2:27:37.000 You canna only have cassettes because they I was in mistake. 2:27:38.600 --> 2:27:41.640 As far as that from it's like four hours four 2:27:41.720 --> 2:27:44.120 hours from here, okay, driving up, you know what I mean? 2:27:44.760 --> 2:27:47.280 And uh yeah, so every every prison is different. 2:27:47.320 --> 2:27:49.320 The food that they that they serve, you know what 2:27:49.320 --> 2:27:51.720 I'm saying, and what they allow in the package from 2:27:51.760 --> 2:27:56.880 your family, it's all different. So you know, they have 2:27:57.000 --> 2:28:00.360 a special diet in prison for like kosha kosha or 2:28:00.680 --> 2:28:03.440 halal diet, you know what I mean. You got to 2:28:03.520 --> 2:28:05.640 prove that you know, that's your religion, and you got 2:28:05.760 --> 2:28:07.240 to have a special diet sugar. 2:28:08.320 --> 2:28:10.080 Because one of my prisoner friends asked me, were you 2:28:10.160 --> 2:28:12.200 going to do a book for the folks to mean 2:28:12.240 --> 2:28:13.040 for the non sugar. 2:28:14.440 --> 2:28:16.280 Yeah, I mean I don't really know too much about that. 2:28:17.040 --> 2:28:21.880 But uh side uh for the very few people in 2:28:21.959 --> 2:28:27.199 this room that know my day manager's era, she loves 2:28:27.240 --> 2:28:30.760 the ship out this book because her diet is that 2:28:30.879 --> 2:28:39.840 fucked up. She's like, I like this, like she saw 2:28:39.879 --> 2:28:41.520 it as like college survival food. 2:28:41.560 --> 2:28:44.880 I'm like, not quite eat ship. 2:28:45.040 --> 2:28:48.400 Okay, it's like hipster that's cute there. 2:28:48.600 --> 2:28:52.120 No, I mean she's the type of person that actually yes, 2:28:52.520 --> 2:29:00.640 she looked at him like but yeah, so and bringing 2:29:00.840 --> 2:29:02.680 Kathy into this, how are you? 2:29:02.879 --> 2:29:04.080 Hey? I'm glad you here. 2:29:04.680 --> 2:29:06.440 Forgot she was here, so thanks? 2:29:07.040 --> 2:29:11.800 So what what is the research process in. 2:29:14.480 --> 2:29:19.320 Trying these uh, these recipes out that you you you 2:29:19.480 --> 2:29:23.040 made in the in the book and and I guess 2:29:23.080 --> 2:29:25.040 the trial and era of it all, like how do 2:29:25.120 --> 2:29:29.920 you even I guess with very little instrument, instruments or tools, 2:29:30.200 --> 2:29:35.920 you know, it becomes you know, creative, creativity is is 2:29:36.000 --> 2:29:37.560 your is your best instrument? 2:29:37.640 --> 2:29:40.360 So how do you test these things out to see 2:29:40.360 --> 2:29:41.480 what works and what doesn't work? 2:29:41.640 --> 2:29:44.680 Well, there's two like completely different parts of the cookbook. 2:29:44.959 --> 2:29:48.520 There's the stuff that that p always cooked and then 2:29:48.560 --> 2:29:51.760 there's the stuff that most people in prison cook. 2:29:52.320 --> 2:29:57.560 So you know, so were you allowed special No, he 2:29:57.720 --> 2:29:58.840 just chose, Like see. 2:29:59.040 --> 2:30:01.480 The thing that's kind of the thing that's pretty interesting 2:30:01.520 --> 2:30:07.000 about the Commissary Catching cookbook is everything that was cooked 2:30:07.680 --> 2:30:11.080 was what you could purchase and commissary but you know, 2:30:11.160 --> 2:30:13.080 p he had been through what was it, five different 2:30:13.120 --> 2:30:15.320 prisons in three years because he always had to have 2:30:15.320 --> 2:30:18.720 an infirmary like nearby, so you know he was moved, 2:30:18.720 --> 2:30:20.600 but I think he spent the longest at Mid State, right. 2:30:21.360 --> 2:30:24.800 So in doing that research, I went through the commissary 2:30:24.840 --> 2:30:27.800 that was available at mid State to know what some 2:30:27.879 --> 2:30:28.760 of those items were. 2:30:29.560 --> 2:30:32.720 And then so what's a typical meal. What's a typical breakfast? 2:30:33.520 --> 2:30:37.440 Well, typical breakfast at chow is different from see because 2:30:37.800 --> 2:30:41.440 you know they would give the breakfast would be at six, right, 2:30:42.120 --> 2:30:44.280 Lunch should be at ten, So. 2:30:44.320 --> 2:30:45.480 You got to wake up at five. 2:30:47.000 --> 2:30:49.160 What was it like like quarter to six, You're like 2:30:49.240 --> 2:30:50.240 six thirty, six. 2:30:50.160 --> 2:30:52.879 Thirty breakfast and they go to yard are like seven. 2:30:53.520 --> 2:30:56.760 Yeah, lunch would be at ten. Four o'clock was dinner 2:30:56.800 --> 2:30:57.400 and you were done. 2:30:57.959 --> 2:31:00.760 So when you had Jesus Christ. 2:31:00.879 --> 2:31:03.080 Yeah, So when it came to the commissary, that was 2:31:03.120 --> 2:31:05.760 the thing that that people used to to fill to 2:31:05.879 --> 2:31:07.720 fill them up for the rest of the day. So 2:31:07.840 --> 2:31:09.400 if your family doesn't have a lot of money to 2:31:09.440 --> 2:31:13.080 fill the commissary, that's where you get those traditional prison 2:31:13.160 --> 2:31:15.800 meals like mashing up cheetahs and pouring chili on them 2:31:15.840 --> 2:31:19.199 because those are the cheapest things in commissary and also 2:31:19.320 --> 2:31:22.360 there's a pound limitation to what like family could mail 2:31:22.400 --> 2:31:25.600 you as well. And he would make most of that 2:31:26.240 --> 2:31:28.760 those deliveries of nothing but canned vegetables. But because they're 2:31:28.760 --> 2:31:31.600 in a can, they weigh more. So it wasn't like 2:31:31.640 --> 2:31:34.320 he was able to get like tons of spinach, you know, 2:31:34.680 --> 2:31:37.720 because he would mostly get spinach delivered like that. But 2:31:37.840 --> 2:31:38.640 it's by can, So. 2:31:40.680 --> 2:31:43.880 Yeah, can even though I mean the potential of that 2:31:44.040 --> 2:31:45.080 being a weapon. 2:31:45.680 --> 2:31:48.160 Can you could use the race is a knife too, 2:31:48.879 --> 2:31:50.720 you can get it taken away so stupid. 2:31:50.440 --> 2:31:56.480 They won't allow CDs, but you can have yeah. 2:31:56.560 --> 2:31:59.280 So you know, in going through and going through this book, 2:31:59.320 --> 2:32:00.320 you know, and we were going through some of the 2:32:00.360 --> 2:32:03.680 recipes that he actually made, there was just this whole 2:32:03.720 --> 2:32:05.440 other part that, you know, I feel is like this 2:32:05.879 --> 2:32:08.680 this voice to culture of people wanting to know about 2:32:09.400 --> 2:32:12.680 those kinds of traditional prison meals. And in doing that 2:32:12.800 --> 2:32:15.120 research and seeing some of those things, and the thing 2:32:15.160 --> 2:32:17.120 that I thought was really important about putting it in 2:32:17.160 --> 2:32:19.960 the book was, you know, on peace first day, he 2:32:20.040 --> 2:32:22.560 had food poisoning because one of the inmates wanted to 2:32:22.600 --> 2:32:24.879 make him a welcome meal, which was one of those 2:32:24.920 --> 2:32:28.760 traditional prison dishes, but peace stomach obviously wasn't trained to that. 2:32:28.840 --> 2:32:30.480 It's like going to Mexico and drinking the water. 2:32:31.040 --> 2:32:31.520 You know what. 2:32:33.560 --> 2:32:38.040 Prison surprise, which is Jack mac mashed up cheetos to 2:32:38.120 --> 2:32:41.160 make a cheese sauce poured over like ramen. Right, it 2:32:41.280 --> 2:32:44.160 was something like that, And by the end of the 2:32:44.280 --> 2:32:46.840 night he had an ivy in his arm, so because 2:32:47.200 --> 2:32:48.640 you know, he wasn't used to eating. 2:32:48.680 --> 2:32:50.520 And I mean the thing is why I woke up 2:32:50.600 --> 2:32:51.960 sweating bullets throwing up. 2:32:52.560 --> 2:32:53.360 It fucked me up. 2:32:53.920 --> 2:32:56.200 Yeah, And you learn about certain things and doing this 2:32:56.360 --> 2:33:00.920 research where like, for example, they only give you fruit 2:33:00.959 --> 2:33:03.680 punch and iced tea, but if you want water, they 2:33:03.720 --> 2:33:05.000 give you an empty jug and you have to go 2:33:05.120 --> 2:33:07.720 get it. So it's like, if you want to lead 2:33:07.760 --> 2:33:10.720 a healthy lifestyle, you have to actively pursue it in prison. 2:33:11.280 --> 2:33:15.199 So there's there's also you know, there's this there's prison 2:33:15.280 --> 2:33:17.640 tea that a lot of inmates drink, which is just 2:33:17.680 --> 2:33:20.560 simply a Ramen packet in water, and the average Ramen 2:33:20.600 --> 2:33:24.400 packet has like seventy five hundred milligrams, so you're. 2:33:24.320 --> 2:33:25.720 Drinking salt water. 2:33:25.879 --> 2:33:28.039 That's prison tea, it's called prison tea. 2:33:28.879 --> 2:33:30.840 And how are you able to how are you able 2:33:30.920 --> 2:33:34.199 to cook the food on your own in your cell? 2:33:34.360 --> 2:33:35.280 Like are you loud? 2:33:35.920 --> 2:33:37.680 No, there was a there's a common area where there's 2:33:37.879 --> 2:33:41.080 a microwave and a toaster oven, which is that's why 2:33:41.240 --> 2:33:43.040 so many of these meals are so simple, which is 2:33:43.040 --> 2:33:45.680 why so many people in dorms will gravitate toward it 2:33:45.720 --> 2:33:48.920 because of just the availability of those just two devices 2:33:48.959 --> 2:33:52.400 and a couple of other things. So, you know, but 2:33:52.520 --> 2:33:56.600 in doing the research, you really learn the way the 2:33:56.680 --> 2:34:00.920 prison system kind of controls the situation. And and you know, 2:34:01.040 --> 2:34:03.520 for me, the reason why I even you know, I 2:34:03.680 --> 2:34:07.200 was part of this project was over over, Like you know, 2:34:07.360 --> 2:34:10.280 the ten fifteen years that I've been a rap journalist, 2:34:10.280 --> 2:34:13.400 I've had this kind of like unique privilege of speaking 2:34:13.440 --> 2:34:14.920 to a lot of artists right when they get out 2:34:14.920 --> 2:34:18.200 of prison. And I spoke with p like right when 2:34:18.240 --> 2:34:21.000 you get got out. But I also spoke with Bousy 2:34:21.720 --> 2:34:25.280 and come to find out it was diabetic, right yeah, 2:34:25.320 --> 2:34:29.440 but he had also cancer. Oh shit, so I believe 2:34:29.480 --> 2:34:33.240 it was kidney cancer. So and they blamed it on 2:34:33.360 --> 2:34:36.680 the lean. But I started to like, you know, you 2:34:36.760 --> 2:34:39.480 start putting two and two together, how people can enter 2:34:40.320 --> 2:34:45.440 somewhat healthy and leave like completely a mess. And you know, 2:34:45.720 --> 2:34:48.480 in talking with p about it, like literally when he 2:34:48.600 --> 2:34:50.360 got out and he was just telling me these stories 2:34:50.440 --> 2:34:52.680 and I'll never forget it was one of your guys 2:34:53.160 --> 2:34:55.360 gave me one of the cassettes that were available in prison, 2:34:55.360 --> 2:34:57.640 and it was a Jadakiss The Last Kiss and like 2:34:57.720 --> 2:34:59.879 a prison catalog, and he's like, yeah, this is what's 2:34:59.879 --> 2:35:02.360 a available. So you know, I was just like going 2:35:02.440 --> 2:35:05.680 through the what was available, and I'm like, how can 2:35:05.760 --> 2:35:08.560 anyone survive on this stuff? So, you know, we were 2:35:08.600 --> 2:35:11.520 putting this together and you just look at the nutritional 2:35:11.560 --> 2:35:14.560 information and then I started to dig even deeper and 2:35:14.640 --> 2:35:16.840 you look at what was available in like the UK 2:35:17.320 --> 2:35:21.600 in the fifties, a typical prison meal was like prime 2:35:21.720 --> 2:35:25.920 rib and like mash potatoes and glazed carrots. That was 2:35:25.959 --> 2:35:31.240 like a typical prison meal. Yeah, and you start you 2:35:31.360 --> 2:35:34.000 see what happens over the years, and especially as it 2:35:34.120 --> 2:35:36.920 made its way, you know, to this country, and and 2:35:37.080 --> 2:35:39.199 like what was available, I mean even in the past, 2:35:39.280 --> 2:35:42.600 what was available here was so fundamentally different than what's 2:35:42.600 --> 2:35:46.720 available now. And you know, when we were touring this book, 2:35:47.440 --> 2:35:51.240 the biggest prison strike in history was happening, so it 2:35:51.320 --> 2:35:54.360 was kind of like this perfect storm. But it was 2:35:54.400 --> 2:35:56.040 also pretty funny because some of the stuff that we 2:35:56.080 --> 2:35:58.240 were discussing, like, we didn't make it too politically heavy, 2:35:58.720 --> 2:36:01.360 but if you start to read about some of these 2:36:01.400 --> 2:36:03.640 recipes and what's available and all this other stuff, you 2:36:03.640 --> 2:36:05.360 can kind of put two and two together and be like, oh, 2:36:05.520 --> 2:36:07.080 you know, trying to kill you in there. 2:36:07.440 --> 2:36:09.600 You know. Well, the book did get banned in some person. 2:36:09.720 --> 2:36:13.200 They got banned in California because yeah, but they said 2:36:13.240 --> 2:36:15.400 it was because there was a hooch recipe, like who 2:36:15.440 --> 2:36:17.440 doesn't know how to make hoots at this point? But 2:36:18.400 --> 2:36:21.040 you know, and I think I think there's also parts, 2:36:21.440 --> 2:36:23.080 you know, especially when it comes to pop culture, the 2:36:23.120 --> 2:36:25.680 way people like glamorize prison, especially because of Orange is 2:36:25.720 --> 2:36:28.720 the New Black and just make it seem like this 2:36:29.080 --> 2:36:31.520 like cool place for camaraderie. And there is some of 2:36:31.640 --> 2:36:33.600 that in the book, you know, because that some of 2:36:33.640 --> 2:36:36.720 that is true, but there's also something real. I mean, 2:36:37.240 --> 2:36:39.320 there's an episode of Orange Is the New Black where 2:36:39.320 --> 2:36:42.360 they they use the prison packets for currents for like currency, 2:36:42.440 --> 2:36:45.320 so that they could season their food. But it's like, yeah, 2:36:45.360 --> 2:36:47.959 but the sodium, like you know, or there's a joke 2:36:48.040 --> 2:36:52.160 that one of the inmates pretends to be Jewish, she 2:36:52.400 --> 2:36:55.600 could so she can have a kosher meal. But like 2:36:55.680 --> 2:36:57.760 because the kosher meal is the only meal that actually 2:36:57.760 --> 2:37:01.840 has fresh vegetables in it. So you know, there's there's 2:37:01.879 --> 2:37:03.560 things that they that they put in there that I 2:37:03.600 --> 2:37:06.280 think are it's pretty cool. But if you don't do 2:37:06.440 --> 2:37:09.080 your research on why those things are even incorporated into 2:37:09.120 --> 2:37:11.680 those episodes or whatever, you know, you don't you don't 2:37:11.680 --> 2:37:16.200 really understand what's going on. So uh yeah, I mean 2:37:16.200 --> 2:37:18.480 the kosher meals are like amazing in prison and the 2:37:18.560 --> 2:37:22.000 only fresh thing that that in in peace facility, you 2:37:22.040 --> 2:37:23.119 were allowed to have as an apple. 2:37:24.040 --> 2:37:24.320 Damn. 2:37:26.959 --> 2:37:31.600 Yeah until the day that you you rated little Puns. 2:37:33.000 --> 2:37:37.200 You rated the CEO the correction office refrigerating little pun. 2:37:37.400 --> 2:37:39.240 Yeah, they call the little Pung because you look like. 2:37:40.879 --> 2:37:41.560 A little version. 2:37:42.240 --> 2:37:44.720 But he would eat the inmates food, Like he would 2:37:44.720 --> 2:37:46.160 come in there and he would eat their meals. 2:37:46.320 --> 2:37:49.400 Like why he would eat is there is there someone 2:37:49.640 --> 2:37:56.000 to be an advocate for better health? There's there's some 2:37:56.120 --> 2:37:59.680 stefs that I know in California that are now leaving 2:37:59.760 --> 2:38:05.360 their respective I mean these are like Michelan uh, Michelin 2:38:05.440 --> 2:38:09.400 level chefs, James Beard chefs that you know, kind of 2:38:09.480 --> 2:38:12.800 felt in a moral ways and moral for them to 2:38:14.240 --> 2:38:17.000 you know, learn fine cuisine and then charge people two 2:38:17.080 --> 2:38:18.320 thousand dollars to eat it. 2:38:18.680 --> 2:38:21.160 And so they're going to be opposite. They're they're going 2:38:21.200 --> 2:38:21.720 to the hoods. 2:38:21.720 --> 2:38:27.359 They're going in like South Central, opening up healthy versions 2:38:27.600 --> 2:38:30.920 of fast food spots. And even Magic Johnson said the 2:38:30.959 --> 2:38:35.000 reason why he, you know, opened up for Fridays was because, uh, 2:38:35.879 --> 2:38:38.120 you know, that's one of the few places where you 2:38:38.200 --> 2:38:40.640 can get a garden salad or that sort of thing. 2:38:41.879 --> 2:38:45.879 Don't nobody, I'm going to Fridays for the solid. 2:38:50.520 --> 2:38:54.039 But a woman approached Magic and said, yo, I hope 2:38:54.280 --> 2:38:56.080 this is like when he opened up his movie theater. 2:38:56.760 --> 2:38:58.480 She's like, yo, I really hope you open up a 2:38:58.600 --> 2:39:00.800 restaurant and bring it to the hoods so we can 2:39:00.879 --> 2:39:03.440 have fresh sautlets, because you'll be shocked at the fact 2:39:03.480 --> 2:39:07.560 that you cannot find I mean now that most hood 2:39:07.600 --> 2:39:08.800 spots are being gentrified. 2:39:09.280 --> 2:39:10.959 I mean even with the locks. 2:39:11.200 --> 2:39:15.000 They opened up a juice bar in Young you know, 2:39:15.160 --> 2:39:19.040 giving people their first taste of healthy options. So it's like, 2:39:19.240 --> 2:39:21.640 you know, for for a lot of for a lot 2:39:21.680 --> 2:39:24.320 of people, especially like I mean, even the idea of 2:39:24.400 --> 2:39:28.160 soul food is inaccessible, inaccessible now, like you go to 2:39:28.280 --> 2:39:31.800 find Southern cuisine spots at least in the northeast, not 2:39:32.040 --> 2:39:37.680 not in North Carolina, no, but I mean soul food 2:39:37.760 --> 2:39:41.960 right now, and most hoods are takeout Chinese food, like 2:39:42.080 --> 2:39:44.440 what people had the experience of, like oh, Kylli greens 2:39:44.440 --> 2:39:47.320 and chicken and grits for dinner, like in the sixties 2:39:47.400 --> 2:39:52.119 and seventies. Now it's gravy white, yeah, rice and wings 2:39:52.160 --> 2:39:52.680 front to five. 2:39:54.480 --> 2:40:03.120 So it's like, do you you in order specially so 2:40:03.840 --> 2:40:05.240 after you experience. 2:40:06.360 --> 2:40:14.840 A right mother, I'm just I'm just asking, do you 2:40:15.120 --> 2:40:20.680 feel that it's almost necessary that someone advocates, uh or 2:40:20.760 --> 2:40:26.000 speaks on the behalf of of getting better conditions because 2:40:26.040 --> 2:40:30.280 I often hear of the conditions in prison being horrible 2:40:31.320 --> 2:40:34.480 and you know, substandard, and of course you know you'll 2:40:34.520 --> 2:40:39.040 you'll hear these these you know, right wing Republicans just 2:40:39.120 --> 2:40:41.280 being like, you know, it's prison, that's what it deserves. 2:40:42.160 --> 2:40:43.920 But you know, it's still like you still got to 2:40:43.920 --> 2:40:48.840 treat a person human, and so like, is there any 2:40:49.360 --> 2:40:54.400 is it, Is there any step or do you realistically 2:40:54.520 --> 2:40:57.320 see reality where that could be changed. 2:40:57.760 --> 2:41:00.240 I think it's getting I think it's getting every one 2:41:00.320 --> 2:41:04.440 on board, but having you know, their own reasons for it, 2:41:04.600 --> 2:41:08.640 like a lot of a lot of right wing Republicans 2:41:08.680 --> 2:41:12.800 have you know, hit me in my d MS along 2:41:12.840 --> 2:41:19.280 with craze mob deep fans, but you know, kind of 2:41:19.360 --> 2:41:22.360 trying to challenge me in this discussion. And you know, well, 2:41:22.400 --> 2:41:24.720 their prisoners, like you know, they can eat whatever, whatever. 2:41:25.360 --> 2:41:29.959 And even if you take away like the humane aspect 2:41:30.000 --> 2:41:36.320 of it, right, someone enters prison healthy, they leave with diabetes, hypertension, 2:41:37.160 --> 2:41:42.240 you know, poor liver functions everything, right, when they get sick, 2:41:42.280 --> 2:41:43.200 they go to the er. 2:41:44.480 --> 2:41:45.400 You pay for the er. 2:41:46.320 --> 2:41:48.920 So if you want to, you don't want to even 2:41:49.080 --> 2:41:54.520 look at it for anything other than selfish financial like reasons. 2:41:55.879 --> 2:41:58.280 Look at that, look at that at the heart of 2:41:58.320 --> 2:42:02.400 it that it's still it's ultimately costing you money for 2:42:02.560 --> 2:42:08.240 these for people to to get better essentially, so you know, 2:42:08.480 --> 2:42:10.920 which it's a horrible reason to have to it's a 2:42:11.000 --> 2:42:14.199 horrible argument to even present. But there are some people 2:42:14.240 --> 2:42:16.760 that's yeah, yeah. 2:42:16.760 --> 2:42:19.400 Well people don't also realize, you know, when when you 2:42:19.520 --> 2:42:24.240 hear people arguing against the idea of private prison industry complex. 2:42:24.520 --> 2:42:29.200 People don't know that if you're one of the commissary owners. 2:42:29.560 --> 2:42:31.640 There was a webs there was an article I was 2:42:31.680 --> 2:42:35.800 reading about I guess one of the CEOs of of 2:42:36.480 --> 2:42:40.040 I don't know if Bonton is a thing here. It's 2:42:40.120 --> 2:42:40.800 in Pennsylvania. 2:42:40.800 --> 2:42:41.320 It's real big. 2:42:41.560 --> 2:42:45.680 It's like little Debies Bonton. It's like these local snack companies, 2:42:46.240 --> 2:42:46.760 but they are. 2:42:46.920 --> 2:42:54.680 Making a killing being the exclusive provider of all these 2:42:54.760 --> 2:42:55.520 high end snacks. 2:42:55.520 --> 2:42:58.800 And it's almost like I feel, I mean not even 2:42:58.879 --> 2:43:03.040 I feel, I almost know that it's like the cheapest 2:43:04.640 --> 2:43:07.800 high sodium, high sugar amount which keeps you almost. 2:43:08.800 --> 2:43:10.840 And what's funny is even when you go visit, y'all 2:43:10.879 --> 2:43:12.200 just made me think about something because I've been the 2:43:12.240 --> 2:43:14.840 way too many prisons in Jersey. Even when you go 2:43:15.240 --> 2:43:18.160 to visit, they don't even provide, Like the snacks are 2:43:18.200 --> 2:43:20.200 the same as for the visit. Like, say you're there 2:43:20.240 --> 2:43:22.760 and his families as kids and they want to eat 2:43:22.760 --> 2:43:24.360 something while they're there, you better go to the vender 2:43:24.400 --> 2:43:26.000 machine and get you as of chocolate or something. 2:43:26.040 --> 2:43:28.840 Not even like the trail makes nothing in that area. 2:43:29.400 --> 2:43:31.879 Is it, Kathy? Is there not one person that's worth 2:43:32.000 --> 2:43:33.359 working on their dietary situation? 2:43:33.640 --> 2:43:33.800 You know? 2:43:34.200 --> 2:43:38.879 I think I know that Martha's sorry, Martha Stewart changed. 2:43:38.520 --> 2:43:41.240 Her spot in West Virginia and she's still. 2:43:41.800 --> 2:43:45.880 Yeah, she's still. But hers is like a minimum security. 2:43:46.840 --> 2:43:49.199 A federal women's prison. I think it's Morgan. That's not Morgan. 2:43:50.240 --> 2:43:50.680 I know that. 2:43:51.200 --> 2:43:56.879 Yeah, she still actively sends them fresh vegetables and fruit, and. 2:43:58.440 --> 2:44:01.800 You know what, what what's going to ultimately happen in 2:44:01.879 --> 2:44:03.640 my opinion, I mean, I'm seeing some of it that 2:44:03.680 --> 2:44:06.959 they're they're talking about doing it in New York. It's 2:44:07.000 --> 2:44:08.880 going to take someone trying to do it in such 2:44:08.879 --> 2:44:11.600 a kitchy way, because that's what's gonna end up. It's 2:44:11.600 --> 2:44:14.200 going to become trendy to do it because I was 2:44:14.240 --> 2:44:16.800 reading some articles and they're like, check out the farm 2:44:16.879 --> 2:44:19.680 to table prison whatever, and it becomes it's gonna have 2:44:19.800 --> 2:44:25.960 to take that brand like rebranding. Yeah, it's gonna have 2:44:26.120 --> 2:44:28.520 to be that unfortunately, and the same way that you 2:44:28.600 --> 2:44:30.960 got to like change the argument for Republicans on the 2:44:31.000 --> 2:44:33.760 whole prison system in general. But it's gonna have to 2:44:33.800 --> 2:44:35.600 be something cute see for them to. 2:44:36.000 --> 2:44:38.959 Their kids are doing is like wait a minute, right, right? 2:44:39.160 --> 2:44:41.200 So kind of like the way Heroin got rebranded. 2:44:43.560 --> 2:44:46.640 I mean, but you know the the jump from OZ 2:44:46.720 --> 2:44:49.480 to orange is the new black, how one? You know 2:44:49.640 --> 2:44:52.640 what took off by making it like hey, what happens 2:44:52.640 --> 2:44:54.480 when you put you know like that kind of Yeah, 2:44:55.000 --> 2:44:57.240 So I think I think that's going to be the 2:44:57.360 --> 2:45:00.840 thing that well, we'll have to do it. You know, 2:45:01.160 --> 2:45:04.640 it's it's not not similar, but you know when people 2:45:04.680 --> 2:45:08.439 started to advocate for better snacks and offices and schools 2:45:08.520 --> 2:45:12.000 and all these other all these other things where those 2:45:12.040 --> 2:45:14.080 things had to change, but it had to be a 2:45:14.200 --> 2:45:17.080 slow build. It's a harder argument in prisons. 2:45:17.120 --> 2:45:19.200 Oh, Kathy, are you saying Michelle Obama missed out on 2:45:19.280 --> 2:45:22.520 that one? Because I just ooh, like she was supposed 2:45:22.520 --> 2:45:22.960 to cover that. 2:45:24.640 --> 2:45:25.520 No, I love that. 2:45:26.560 --> 2:45:28.880 All praise due to the Queen, but the clue just 2:45:28.920 --> 2:45:31.600 went off in my head. Right, she did schools, she 2:45:31.680 --> 2:45:32.800 didn't what a bow? 2:45:32.920 --> 2:45:34.920 Well, you know the thing that Michelle Obama did that 2:45:35.000 --> 2:45:37.840 I think was wonderful too was you know, there's a 2:45:37.879 --> 2:45:40.320 school in particular, I forget the name. You know, my 2:45:40.400 --> 2:45:43.200 mom had consulted for them in nork. They had a 2:45:43.320 --> 2:45:45.920 garden at the top on the roof, and the kids 2:45:45.959 --> 2:45:48.200 would grow the vegetables. They would pull down the vegetables, 2:45:48.200 --> 2:45:50.119 and they would cook with the vegetables for their lunches. 2:45:50.400 --> 2:45:52.680 So she did some amazing things, But that kind of 2:45:52.720 --> 2:45:55.760 stuff doesn't translate into prison, you know. I mean, I 2:45:55.800 --> 2:45:58.000 think that the initiative that she did was it was 2:45:58.080 --> 2:46:01.640 making nutrition fun, because that was the problem. Kids weren't 2:46:01.680 --> 2:46:04.720 having fun with nutrition. Your brustles sprouts are gross, like 2:46:04.840 --> 2:46:07.080 you know, dipp them in chocolate like whatever like that 2:46:07.400 --> 2:46:13.160 you're making you're making you're making nutrition fun. But convincing, 2:46:14.040 --> 2:46:17.879 convincing inmates whose families are maybe putting five dollars into 2:46:17.959 --> 2:46:21.120 their commissary and they finish eating at four pm, and 2:46:21.160 --> 2:46:23.560 they're starving by eight o'clock and they're hanging out in 2:46:23.640 --> 2:46:26.520 the common area and all they have is like enough 2:46:26.560 --> 2:46:30.000 in their commissary for ramen noodles. Convince them that nutrition 2:46:30.240 --> 2:46:33.400 is fun, because what happens is it's not the it's 2:46:33.480 --> 2:46:37.360 not the commissary necessarily, that's the problem. It's the quality 2:46:37.440 --> 2:46:39.960 of the food that they're eating in chow too. I mean, 2:46:40.000 --> 2:46:42.360 the sodium levels of some of those things, but also 2:46:42.440 --> 2:46:45.280 it's expired food sometimes, you know, they'll leave cans for 2:46:45.480 --> 2:46:48.440 however long. I mean, there's rat poisoning in certain prisons, 2:46:48.480 --> 2:46:51.280 and some of the food they found glass pubic hair. 2:46:51.760 --> 2:46:54.640 I mean, these are things like these are real issues 2:46:54.720 --> 2:46:57.280 that just the quality of the food alone, and what 2:46:57.320 --> 2:46:59.520 will end up happening is a lot of the inmates 2:46:59.520 --> 2:47:01.760 just don't want to eat the food. You know, who's 2:47:01.760 --> 2:47:04.400 gonna want to eat that? So it becomes a matter 2:47:04.520 --> 2:47:06.520 of all right, well I'll just eat some chips. There's 2:47:06.560 --> 2:47:08.760 a lot of artists that I've spoken to who when 2:47:08.800 --> 2:47:12.280 they got out of prison, and even before meeting Pee 2:47:12.360 --> 2:47:14.080 and hearing that story, I would say, what did you eat? 2:47:15.000 --> 2:47:15.280 I got? 2:47:15.320 --> 2:47:17.560 You know, most of the time it's some chips, like 2:47:17.720 --> 2:47:22.720 living off like freedoms, you know. And then I remember, 2:47:23.600 --> 2:47:25.320 I forget the artists. Was it thirst and hell? The 2:47:25.360 --> 2:47:27.840 third who did the prison cooking shows and he would 2:47:27.879 --> 2:47:29.360 do this like show where he would like, you know, 2:47:29.480 --> 2:47:31.920 mash up all like the food and he would like 2:47:31.959 --> 2:47:34.560 make these prison dishes, and I was just so fascinated. 2:47:34.640 --> 2:47:36.760 I'm just like, yeah, I get it, because if like 2:47:37.080 --> 2:47:39.680 if someone said to you, okay, every day, all you 2:47:39.800 --> 2:47:43.600 can eat the bag of Cheetos, bag of Doritos, one 2:47:43.640 --> 2:47:47.320 of those packets of chili, and a pack of Ramen noodles. 2:47:47.720 --> 2:47:52.680 Of course by week three, yeah, you're you're trying to 2:47:52.760 --> 2:47:55.560 deep fry your ramen noodles in the toaster and you're 2:47:55.600 --> 2:47:57.840 trying to make a burger out of the chili patty, 2:47:57.920 --> 2:48:01.760 like you're gonna try to get creative. So and that 2:48:01.959 --> 2:48:03.440 that chapter that we put in the book. 2:48:04.840 --> 2:48:05.360 I remember. 2:48:05.800 --> 2:48:07.840 I remember talking to Pea about it and he's like, 2:48:08.200 --> 2:48:09.560 you know, some of the things were going over and 2:48:09.640 --> 2:48:13.360 he's like, oh, fucking disgusting, because like, you know, he 2:48:13.879 --> 2:48:17.320 he was one like he just made a concerted effort 2:48:17.400 --> 2:48:19.680 to not touch any of that stuff because for him 2:48:19.760 --> 2:48:22.560 it was like it could it's life, you know. There 2:48:23.320 --> 2:48:26.360 he caun't eat that stuff, right, So, I mean, I 2:48:26.440 --> 2:48:29.080 remember when you know, there was like a lot of 2:48:29.080 --> 2:48:30.960 the guys would go and they would cook together, and 2:48:31.320 --> 2:48:33.400 I remember, you know, asking Pee like what was the 2:48:33.720 --> 2:48:36.200 main thing, and he's like, no, I would just have spinach. 2:48:36.400 --> 2:48:37.879 Like if I didn't if there was if I didn't 2:48:37.920 --> 2:48:40.199 want to cook, I would just keep eating canned spinach. 2:48:40.560 --> 2:48:41.400 But you didn't even have to. 2:48:41.520 --> 2:48:43.760 Wash that off it's like packed with sodium. So there's 2:48:43.800 --> 2:48:45.520 like really no way out if you don't sit and 2:48:45.600 --> 2:48:48.040 think about it, which is why we put this book 2:48:48.080 --> 2:48:51.040 together because it's like, listen, I get it. You know, 2:48:51.200 --> 2:48:53.840 maybe your commissary is lower than the next guy, but 2:48:53.920 --> 2:48:56.840 there's ways around what you're choosing to buy and how 2:48:56.879 --> 2:48:58.040 you're choosing to prepare it. 2:48:58.160 --> 2:49:00.160 You know, can I ask what was the first then 2:49:00.200 --> 2:49:01.280 you ate? When you got out? 2:49:02.640 --> 2:49:07.279 I went to this Korean barbecue spot Corwoulo, Okay downtown 2:49:07.440 --> 2:49:10.560 and Soho Korean Barbecue. It was really good, and I 2:49:10.680 --> 2:49:14.040 thought about it the whole big ship. Every time I 2:49:14.080 --> 2:49:15.959 sat down to h child, I was like, yo, man, 2:49:16.040 --> 2:49:18.680 if I was home right now, I'll be eating Korean barbecue. 2:49:18.840 --> 2:49:20.080 Everybody was like, what the fuck is that? 2:49:21.440 --> 2:49:23.560 You make it yourself? Was me? Rust me? 2:49:23.640 --> 2:49:25.520 So as soon as I got out, we drove straight 2:49:25.600 --> 2:49:28.080 to the restaurant and I couldn't wait to eat some 2:49:28.200 --> 2:49:29.120 more of that good food. 2:49:29.280 --> 2:49:31.200 What's your diet and stuff like on the day to 2:49:31.280 --> 2:49:35.080 day now? You know, I just try to my favorite 2:49:35.080 --> 2:49:35.600 thing to eat it. 2:49:35.640 --> 2:49:39.920 I try to like grilled chicken, like Kathy said, a 2:49:39.959 --> 2:49:42.800 lot of green vegetables, a lot of water. 2:49:44.080 --> 2:49:44.800 Brown rice. 2:49:45.440 --> 2:49:49.240 You know, I try to just eliminate fried foods and 2:49:49.800 --> 2:49:54.040 red meats. You know, it takes time to get to 2:49:54.160 --> 2:49:57.800 that point, a lot of time and discipline. Some people 2:49:58.000 --> 2:49:59.920 don't like water, you know what I mean. It took 2:50:00.000 --> 2:50:03.920 I mean about a year or two to really get 2:50:04.040 --> 2:50:06.080 used to, like I could just guzzle water and I 2:50:06.240 --> 2:50:07.160 love how it tastes. 2:50:07.879 --> 2:50:10.320 Before that, I was always craving for a juice or you. 2:50:10.320 --> 2:50:10.840 Know what I'm saying. 2:50:11.000 --> 2:50:15.959 Soa it takes time to develop and discipline your body 2:50:16.520 --> 2:50:18.600 and your mind and your taste buzz to, you know, 2:50:19.240 --> 2:50:21.800 to do the right thing. So you know, after a while, 2:50:22.879 --> 2:50:24.520 you know, even before I went to jail, I was 2:50:24.600 --> 2:50:26.840 I was already learning that stuff in my twenties, like 2:50:26.879 --> 2:50:30.000 you know what I'm saying, And you know, just being 2:50:30.080 --> 2:50:32.040 locked up it made me like, all right, I want 2:50:32.080 --> 2:50:36.480 to see what happens if I'm on some military discipline. 2:50:36.480 --> 2:50:36.720 Shit. 2:50:37.879 --> 2:50:39.840 I want to see what happens, how my body is 2:50:39.879 --> 2:50:43.200 going to react, how my mind, how things are going 2:50:43.240 --> 2:50:47.360 to be different if I, like, on some military discipline. 2:50:47.080 --> 2:50:50.080 Straight water every day, green vestable. I wanted to see 2:50:50.120 --> 2:50:50.760 the outcome of that. 2:50:51.360 --> 2:50:53.879 So I did it, you know what I mean, Because 2:50:53.879 --> 2:50:56.320 of doing that, I was able to work out, Like 2:50:56.800 --> 2:50:58.440 you know they tell doctors told me all my life, 2:50:58.480 --> 2:51:02.520 I can't work out, I can't do any physical contact 2:51:02.720 --> 2:51:06.039 or streng you with exercise because the triggered is sicker cell. 2:51:06.280 --> 2:51:09.320 And it's true, like certain things I do, like if 2:51:09.480 --> 2:51:11.920 I'm running around too much, my heart rates start going 2:51:12.000 --> 2:51:14.680 too fast, I get to hype my adrenaline and start pumping. 2:51:14.879 --> 2:51:17.560 It triggered my cikeret cell. It can trigger my cigret sells. 2:51:18.280 --> 2:51:22.360 So you know, once I cleaned out, changed my diet 2:51:22.400 --> 2:51:24.600 and was very very very strict with it and with 2:51:24.760 --> 2:51:28.520 the water, very strict with the with the vegetables and everything. 2:51:28.879 --> 2:51:32.320 I noticed that I wasn't getting sick. I didn't feel 2:51:32.360 --> 2:51:34.960 sick at all. I was able to work out, not 2:51:35.120 --> 2:51:36.800 feel sick like you know what I mean. I was 2:51:37.160 --> 2:51:40.600 able to get strong and it felt great. It felt great. 2:51:40.640 --> 2:51:42.320 I was like, Wow, this is l like you know 2:51:42.360 --> 2:51:44.160 what I'm saying, Because I was already doing it in 2:51:44.200 --> 2:51:44.640 the streets. 2:51:44.720 --> 2:51:46.280 Like I said, I learned. I learned how to do that. 2:51:46.360 --> 2:51:49.120 In my twenties, I kind of fell off, you know 2:51:49.120 --> 2:51:50.520 what I mean. Right before I went to jail, I 2:51:50.600 --> 2:51:53.040 started going a little down with Spirals going through some 2:51:53.120 --> 2:51:57.400 bullshit in my life. But you know I was already 2:51:57.480 --> 2:52:00.600 with that discipline. I had already changed my life five 2:52:00.720 --> 2:52:05.920 six years straight no smoking. This is from two thousand, 2:52:06.240 --> 2:52:11.280 I mean, excuse me, from ninety eight, ninety seven, ninety eight, 2:52:11.560 --> 2:52:14.440 like two thousand and two, something like that, you know 2:52:14.480 --> 2:52:14.959 what I'm saying. 2:52:15.680 --> 2:52:19.560 On two thousand, maybe two thousand and three. You know, 2:52:19.640 --> 2:52:21.160 I was on some strict diet shit. 2:52:21.360 --> 2:52:24.160 I was like learning how to heal myself through diet 2:52:24.360 --> 2:52:27.959 and spirituality. So I did that already and I felt 2:52:27.959 --> 2:52:29.840 the effects of it. And then I kind of, like 2:52:29.879 --> 2:52:31.680 I said, I kind of went on Darren spir right 2:52:31.720 --> 2:52:34.039 before I got locked up. So when I got locked up, 2:52:34.360 --> 2:52:36.600 I was like, you know what, I want to try 2:52:36.760 --> 2:52:38.760 what I did, I want to do it to the maximum. 2:52:38.879 --> 2:52:39.039 Now. 2:52:39.280 --> 2:52:41.200 I want to really do this shit now, like I said, 2:52:41.640 --> 2:52:43.480 straight military discipline with it. 2:52:43.680 --> 2:52:46.840 So what spirituality do you mean? Like meditating, deep breathings. 2:52:46.959 --> 2:52:50.040 I mean, like just the powers in your thoughts, affirmations. Yeah, 2:52:50.720 --> 2:52:52.480 like just the power of your thoughts. 2:52:52.879 --> 2:52:56.840 You know what I'm saying, Negative thoughts, like if somebody, like, 2:52:56.959 --> 2:52:59.680 especially being in jail, everybody got bad attitude. Nobody wants 2:52:59.680 --> 2:53:02.840 to be everybody's upset. They in jail, like everybody wakes 2:53:02.920 --> 2:53:05.120 up in the morning pissed off. Nobody even to see. 2:53:05.480 --> 2:53:08.240 Even the correction officers are pissed off. They gotta work 2:53:08.240 --> 2:53:09.480 out to be there, you know what I'm saying. So 2:53:10.040 --> 2:53:15.199 everybody got an attitude in that motherfucker, and especially correction officers. 2:53:15.240 --> 2:53:18.480 They talk to you like the go do this, go do, go, 2:53:18.720 --> 2:53:21.440 go wash the toilets, go do like. They boss you around, 2:53:21.560 --> 2:53:24.320 like they fuck with you, especially when they first meeting 2:53:24.400 --> 2:53:25.920 you and you didn't know who you are. 2:53:25.959 --> 2:53:27.640 They fuck with you. They try to press your buttons 2:53:27.680 --> 2:53:32.200 and see how you react. So I use that as 2:53:33.000 --> 2:53:33.240 this is. 2:53:33.200 --> 2:53:36.720 Gonna be my training. I'm gonna control my thoughts as soon. 2:53:36.640 --> 2:53:40.080 As he or anybody gives me a bad attitude instead 2:53:40.080 --> 2:53:42.640 of me saying fuck in my mind. My first thought 2:53:42.680 --> 2:53:44.240 in my mind used to be going to fuck this nigga, 2:53:44.320 --> 2:53:47.840 like you know what I'm saying, piece of shit. But 2:53:48.000 --> 2:53:51.760 then now I started practicing. As soon as that thought 2:53:51.800 --> 2:53:53.760 pops in my head, change it. But like you know what, 2:53:54.920 --> 2:53:57.000 I pray for him, you know what I'm saying, Hopefully 2:53:57.280 --> 2:53:59.000 he'll get his thing together. You know what I mean, 2:53:59.040 --> 2:54:00.640 he don't know what he doing, you know what I'm saying. 2:54:00.879 --> 2:54:03.400 He's just angry. He got work here. So I pray 2:54:03.480 --> 2:54:05.680 for this person, that's what. And I've changed my thoughts 2:54:05.720 --> 2:54:08.040 to that. So I started practicing that in there, and 2:54:08.120 --> 2:54:10.120 that was like the perfect place to practice that, you 2:54:10.160 --> 2:54:11.320 know what I'm saying, because you're. 2:54:11.160 --> 2:54:14.280 Dealing with all his tension and foul shit every day. 2:54:14.560 --> 2:54:17.279 So I would practice that every day every day, practice 2:54:17.320 --> 2:54:20.600 changing my thoughts immediately as soon as the thought popping mind, 2:54:20.840 --> 2:54:23.040 I changed it to something else. And then when I 2:54:23.160 --> 2:54:25.680 kept doing it, it just it happened naturally, you know 2:54:25.720 --> 2:54:26.800 what I mean. I don't have to think about it 2:54:26.920 --> 2:54:31.440 no more. And through eating right and you know, thinking different, 2:54:31.800 --> 2:54:35.120 it changed like spirituality, that changes your spirit. Once you 2:54:35.160 --> 2:54:38.680 start thinking different, you know, you more at peace. You're 2:54:38.680 --> 2:54:41.720 more at peace with everybody else and yourself. You know 2:54:41.760 --> 2:54:42.240 what I'm saying. 2:54:42.320 --> 2:54:45.920 You you walk peacefully, like you carry yourself peacefully, you 2:54:45.959 --> 2:54:46.520 know what I'm saying. 2:54:48.000 --> 2:54:50.720 At the same time, you know, I'm who I am. 2:54:51.000 --> 2:54:53.280 I grew up how I grew up, So it's not 2:54:53.440 --> 2:54:58.560 like I turned into some soft sucker motherfucker. I just 2:54:58.640 --> 2:55:01.000 know how to control my thoughts. 2:55:01.080 --> 2:55:04.160 Now, you know what I'm saying. Fine, I was gonna. 2:55:03.920 --> 2:55:05.840 Say too, man. I hear that in the new record too. 2:55:06.240 --> 2:55:07.879 I listened to it on the plane on the way 2:55:07.879 --> 2:55:08.240 over here. 2:55:08.320 --> 2:55:08.600 Thanks. 2:55:08.640 --> 2:55:10.680 And shit is dope, man, I can hear like just 2:55:10.800 --> 2:55:13.760 the the I don't want to misquote the liquid. It 2:55:13.840 --> 2:55:16.040 was one joint in particular you were talking about. You know, 2:55:16.120 --> 2:55:18.120 it ain't about black and they don't care if you're white. 2:55:18.879 --> 2:55:20.960 You know, it ain't about your religion. You were just 2:55:21.120 --> 2:55:24.119 you know, just kind of speaking to tyranny joint tyranny. Yeah, 2:55:24.200 --> 2:55:27.000 and you're saying, I just tyranny. You tuk about none 2:55:27.000 --> 2:55:27.160 of that. 2:55:27.520 --> 2:55:30.320 You know, race don't matter, Yeah, that was it. Your 2:55:30.360 --> 2:55:33.840 faith don't matter. The enemy is government, tyranny, all that 2:55:33.920 --> 2:55:34.959 other shit don't matter. 2:55:35.200 --> 2:55:35.840 Like you know what I'm saying. 2:55:35.879 --> 2:55:39.240 You rich, don't matter, you broke, don't matter. The enemy, 2:55:39.320 --> 2:55:42.320 they threaten our liberties, all that other shit don't matter. 2:55:42.480 --> 2:55:43.160 Like you know what I'm saying. 2:55:43.600 --> 2:55:45.520 That's what I'm trying to get because they try to 2:55:45.640 --> 2:55:50.959 like divert our attention with like a lot of racial issues. Now, 2:55:51.000 --> 2:55:53.080 don't get me wrong, there's a lot of racial issues 2:55:53.120 --> 2:55:56.520 with this country. Like for a long time, but they 2:55:56.879 --> 2:56:00.920 magnify that ship on the news, and they magnify so 2:56:01.080 --> 2:56:01.400 much to. 2:56:01.440 --> 2:56:03.760 The point where we think it's more than what it 2:56:03.879 --> 2:56:05.320 really is. You know what I'm saying. 2:56:06.040 --> 2:56:08.400 And if people only knew we all have a common 2:56:08.560 --> 2:56:13.040 enemy that's really trying to destroy our spirit and our 2:56:13.160 --> 2:56:16.800 soul and control our life. We actually have a common enemy, 2:56:17.600 --> 2:56:18.840 you know what I'm saying. That's what I was trying 2:56:18.879 --> 2:56:20.160 to get it cross the point. I was trying to 2:56:20.160 --> 2:56:23.800 get close on that song. So yeah, you know, I 2:56:23.800 --> 2:56:26.960 would practice that in jail, and it just it changed me. Man, 2:56:27.240 --> 2:56:29.200 that's it felt great. I was like, oh shit, this 2:56:29.400 --> 2:56:31.720 is ill. I was like, this is a great way 2:56:31.800 --> 2:56:34.000 to think. Like I'm glad I was doing this. I 2:56:34.160 --> 2:56:36.640 was like, man, this is great man meditation. Well, I 2:56:36.720 --> 2:56:39.600 was like, I told you this, you know what I mean. 2:56:39.640 --> 2:56:42.039 It just made me feel better. I felt better every 2:56:42.120 --> 2:56:43.480 day as a person, like you know what I mean. 2:56:48.640 --> 2:56:51.600 Well, Priory, we are going to have to close the show. Unfortunately, 2:56:51.640 --> 2:56:54.160 we could talk to you forever. I do have one 2:56:54.240 --> 2:56:57.560 last question, what up though? Are we going to get 2:56:58.840 --> 2:57:02.760 one more reunion an album out of you and have it? 2:57:03.160 --> 2:57:06.920 We definitely, man have like crack things when it comes 2:57:06.920 --> 2:57:09.720 to hip hop, like it's like we that's good ship 2:57:09.800 --> 2:57:11.920 to know, like rock him like my fiend. 2:57:12.640 --> 2:57:14.520 So you're about to do something your I know that 2:57:14.640 --> 2:57:18.760 you're gonna do. Uh, you're doing a few projects with 2:57:18.879 --> 2:57:22.000 live musicians. You're doing your residency at Blue Note. Yeah 2:57:22.240 --> 2:57:24.480 that's every month. Yeah, we do it once a month. 2:57:24.560 --> 2:57:26.680 Did So how can people find out like news about 2:57:27.080 --> 2:57:29.080 upcoming dates with you and that sort of thing? 2:57:29.879 --> 2:57:32.360 I always tell people, like, you know, you can always Google, 2:57:32.680 --> 2:57:34.480 you know what I mean? Hit hit up Google, like, Yo, 2:57:35.280 --> 2:57:36.120 are you on Twitter? 2:57:36.320 --> 2:57:38.039 Or yeah, yeah, I'm on. 2:57:38.120 --> 2:57:44.280 Twitter, Mob Deep, Instagram, Prodigy, mob Deep. But I forget 2:57:44.320 --> 2:57:46.400 sometime myself. If you want to know what any of 2:57:46.440 --> 2:57:49.360 your favorite artists is performing, or when a new album 2:57:49.440 --> 2:57:51.240 is dropping, you could go right on Google and just 2:57:51.320 --> 2:57:53.760 be like yo, all Deep new album or Prodigy new 2:57:54.200 --> 2:57:56.080 concert or you know what I'm saying, like and it'll 2:57:56.120 --> 2:57:57.560 all pop up like you know what I'm. 2:57:57.400 --> 2:58:01.119 Saying or you you I guess. 2:58:02.040 --> 2:58:02.160 Uh. 2:58:02.920 --> 2:58:11.119 Cleverly released the Hegelian Dialog Dialectic on January twenty inauguration, 2:58:11.480 --> 2:58:12.280 which was yeah I. 2:58:12.320 --> 2:58:14.440 Was gonna say and I was planned out. We did 2:58:14.520 --> 2:58:17.039 that on I figgured as much. 2:58:18.280 --> 2:58:20.520 Oh his birthday and your birthday. 2:58:20.640 --> 2:58:25.600 Well, yeah, it's all about you, right, Okay, Well, Kaffy 2:58:25.840 --> 2:58:29.440 and Prigy, I thank you very much for uh yeah, 2:58:29.520 --> 2:58:32.800 thank you. I don't even think I'll go through the 2:58:32.840 --> 2:58:35.400 customary what we learned thing because I think we learned 2:58:35.879 --> 2:58:37.280 everything at the same time. 2:58:37.520 --> 2:58:37.720 Yeah. 2:58:37.760 --> 2:58:39.840 Man, shout to everybody too. Man, I always got to 2:58:39.879 --> 2:58:40.080 do this. 2:58:40.240 --> 2:58:40.400 Man. 2:58:40.440 --> 2:58:44.560 Shout to jay Z, shout to NAS, shout. Oh my niggas. 2:58:44.640 --> 2:58:44.840 Man. 2:58:44.879 --> 2:58:46.880 You know what I'm saying, so love you know I 2:58:46.959 --> 2:58:47.879 funk with your niggas. 2:58:47.920 --> 2:58:48.040 Man. 2:58:48.840 --> 2:58:51.040 He is like, Man, I'm a fan of jay Z. 2:58:51.120 --> 2:58:51.680 You know what I'm saying. 2:58:51.720 --> 2:58:53.760 We went through our ship. I'm a fan. I love son. 2:58:53.840 --> 2:58:54.680 He's one of the illis. 2:58:54.720 --> 2:58:57.039 I learned so much from him watching him do business, 2:58:57.800 --> 2:59:00.800 carry yourself saying with NASM so much by how he 2:59:00.879 --> 2:59:03.800 writes his songs and make his music. Like, you know 2:59:03.840 --> 2:59:06.240 what I'm saying. It ain't no, ain't no beef, ain't 2:59:06.280 --> 2:59:07.960 no none of that ship. Man, were grown. 2:59:08.000 --> 2:59:09.119 We're nowolved. 2:59:09.400 --> 2:59:10.959 You know what I'm saying, Yo, But you gotta get 2:59:10.959 --> 2:59:12.560 out the comments. Don't read them comments no more. 2:59:12.600 --> 2:59:18.840 The comments be better than the articles. 2:59:20.160 --> 2:59:23.400 When they're taking him down too much. I remember none 2:59:23.440 --> 2:59:24.880 of the positive. You don't remember the negative. 2:59:25.040 --> 2:59:27.320 Joe the listeners out there, man, you know what I mean. 2:59:27.879 --> 2:59:30.160 Anybody can go to jail. I was locked up with 2:59:30.280 --> 2:59:33.600 a lot of characters from different walks of life. Bill, 2:59:34.840 --> 2:59:38.360 anybody could getting locked YouTube can go to jail. 2:59:38.879 --> 2:59:43.040 I was in there with judges, das, detectives. 2:59:43.280 --> 2:59:44.640 My prisoner friend just said that the other day he 2:59:44.720 --> 2:59:46.160 and there with engineers, barmbers. 2:59:46.200 --> 2:59:49.760 I was in the millionaires engineers. Anybody could get locked up. 2:59:49.879 --> 2:59:51.920 Mistakes happy, You know what I mean. You can make 2:59:51.920 --> 2:59:54.720 a mistake, a fatal mistake, and end up going to jail. 2:59:55.040 --> 2:59:57.400 And from any walk of life. Look at Martha Stewart. 2:59:57.680 --> 3:00:00.240 So when I'm saying that is just you know, stay 3:00:00.240 --> 3:00:01.640 out of jail, man. You ain't got to eat that 3:00:01.720 --> 3:00:02.280 crap man. 3:00:04.120 --> 3:00:06.080 Out the corner store. Stay out the corner store. 3:00:06.120 --> 3:00:07.720 Man, stay as in the street man. 3:00:07.760 --> 3:00:09.920 Do the right thing. And on that note, on b 3:00:09.959 --> 3:00:14.360 A for Prodigy Kathy Yndly, I got it. 3:00:14.480 --> 3:00:18.080 Finally, Sugar Sugar Steve, Damned Sugar Steve. 3:00:18.120 --> 3:00:27.240 We didn't even bring up your Sugar Sugars book exactly. 3:00:28.040 --> 3:00:28.680 And get diabetes. 3:00:28.720 --> 3:00:29.720 But you can just hang out with you and get 3:00:29.760 --> 3:00:35.240 that no, no, whatever whatever, Fay Bill Bossonville, Fan Ticolo, 3:00:35.640 --> 3:00:36.240 and Margaret. 3:00:36.760 --> 3:00:38.879 Are you Margaret? How many prisons you've been to in Jersey? 3:00:39.440 --> 3:00:43.000 Like five? Mar everywhere? You know prison tool. 3:00:44.280 --> 3:00:46.720 This is Quest Love, Quest Love Supreme. We will see 3:00:46.760 --> 3:00:48.920 you on the next around. 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