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Speaker 1: Of Course, Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This

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Speaker 1: classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Welcome to QLs Classic Episode twenty seven Mob

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Speaker 1: Deep founder Prodigy May twenty seventeen. We were fortunate to

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Speaker 1: have an amazing conversation with Albert Johnson aka Queensbridge Finest

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Speaker 1: Prodigy from the infamous Mob Deep while he was still

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Speaker 1: with us on this earthly plane. He passed away a

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Speaker 1: month after this episode first debuted. He's promoting his Commissary

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Speaker 1: Kitchen Prison cookbook at the time, but we also got

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Speaker 1: to chop it up about his life growing up as

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Speaker 1: a duop kid, the Duop parents, his grandmother's dance school,

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Speaker 1: choreographer Michael Peters Queensbridge in the eighties, fights, beating and beats,

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Speaker 1: a life of diamond and guns, wake up calls and

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Speaker 1: yeah that's something. Jamescreen a special Encore presentation of QLs

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Speaker 1: Classic with rapper Prodigy and his co author Kathy Ian Deale.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Suprema Son something supremo role called Suprema Son Son,

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Speaker 2: Supremo role called Suprema.

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Speaker 3: Some supremo role.

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Speaker 2: Called Suprema Son Son Supremo roll.

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Speaker 3: Called this is quest love.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Supremo.

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Speaker 3: So I haven't an roll.

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Speaker 2: Called Suprema something Suprema.

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Speaker 4: Role called Fonte's in the building. Yeah, check out my rhymes. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: q L S Family. Yeah, your beef is mine.

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Speaker 2: Supreme hate, Suprema role called suprema something something suprema roll call.

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Speaker 2: Her name is Sugar, Yeah, Sugar Steve, Yeah, eat a

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Speaker 2: sugar free Yeah, commissary Supremo, Suprema Suprema.

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Speaker 3: Roll.

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Speaker 2: My name's Boss Bill, Winter despising, but it's spring again now,

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Speaker 2: temperatures rising, roll call Supremo something something Supremo, roll called

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Speaker 2: Supremo Supremo.

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Speaker 3: Roll called I'm unpaid Bill, Yeah, rapidly wrapped. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: hope you can hear me through these white roll.

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Speaker 2: Supreme roll call Supremo Supremo roll.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a little shook. Yeah, my verse will be better.

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Speaker 5: Yeah if I read more books.

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Speaker 2: Roll Supremo Supremo, roll call Supremo Sun.

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Speaker 3: Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 6: My name is Kathy, Yeah, I'll write those books. Yeah

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Speaker 6: I can read them. Yeah, I've got no more hoss roll.

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Speaker 2: Supremo, roll Supremo, So Supremo.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's mother go Ma.

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Speaker 2: Supremo, roll Supremo, Supremo, roll call Suprema, Son Son Supremo,

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Speaker 2: roll call Suprema.

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Speaker 3: So that was not bad.

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Speaker 8: That wasn't That wasn't. Bed came through.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another edition of Questlove Supreme.

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Speaker 1: Is this our first double uh? Kind of our first

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Speaker 1: double guest Pete rocking smoke this Okay.

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Speaker 9: He ain't talking much about this, so yeah it is.

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Speaker 4: And that was also the episode where D'Angelo came in

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Speaker 4: and was yeah, it's funky.

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Speaker 3: It's more arm Well, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, it's a

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Speaker 3: special episode.

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Speaker 1: Well, I feel like every episode of Quest Love Supreme

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Speaker 1: is a special episode, so I don't want to make

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Speaker 1: make it like the Meredith Backs to Bernie episode, a

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Speaker 1: special Meredith Back to Bernie episode Quest Love Supreme. We have, though,

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Speaker 1: like one of my freaking heroes, like one of my

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Speaker 1: rhyming heroes, a cultural icon in the world of music,

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Speaker 1: not I mean above hip hop, above, I mean music

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Speaker 1: just for me, like one of the Illis writers poets.

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Speaker 4: As an MC to me, he has the best opening lines.

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Speaker 4: Yes rap, Yeah, we'll talk more about but we will. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Like I tell him these all the time. You have

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Speaker 4: of made it even worse because it's like, comes in

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Speaker 4: the door. Yeah, you only got one bar, so right,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome prodigy of video.

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Speaker 3: Yo yo, y'all. What up? Though?

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Speaker 1: In addition, we have his co conspirator. Now, what makes

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Speaker 1: it great is that our special guests. Kathy's kind of

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Speaker 1: family to some of us quest Love supremers that have

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Speaker 3: She's my favorite Lauren Hill stand of all time.

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Speaker 1: Right off, Well, I mean that's how you came to

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Speaker 3: That shit was gladiated school man. It was. It was

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Speaker 1: I feel like we pioneered the social media game before

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Speaker 1: But I mean, you've blossomed to your own as a writer.

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Speaker 1: I mean you've written for a lot of periodicals and

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Speaker 1: from bt U dot Com to I mean all the

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's but you've also collaborated with Prodigy on on

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Speaker 1: his book.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the proper title.

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Speaker 6: Is common Sarry Kitchen, my infamous prison cookbook.

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Speaker 3: This is the first book you worked on.

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Speaker 6: No, but legally I can say this is the first

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Speaker 1: I see, well, welcome bout Love three. Yeah, I gotta

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Speaker 1: say Prodigy that I'm I'm really not big on hip

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Speaker 3: Actually haven't read one myself.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of books that have been

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Speaker 3: You said you're not a fan of hip hop, but autobiography, shit,

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Speaker 3: you wrote one.

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Speaker 1: No, I know that, but I'm just saying that it's

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Speaker 3: And then got here. Yeah. Right.

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Speaker 1: It really doesn't really doesn't let you like inside of

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Speaker 1: Like you know, them as a personality, Like there's really

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Speaker 8: So but I'm just saying that or even the ghost Facebook.

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Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, which.

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Speaker 1: Exactly like this is more of a comedy book to

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Speaker 8: Man.

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Speaker 3: We listened to the audiobook on tour, like we ran.

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Speaker 3: Tour like that. Shit was crazy. What's up?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Prodigy, I'm not gonna say it was the beginning.

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Speaker 9: I'm like all in this, you know.

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Speaker 3: But actually, my this is this is a rarity.

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Speaker 1: My my favorite part of a Prodigy story is actually

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, who was your father Bud Johnson?

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Speaker 8: He you know, my grandfather's named Bud Johnson also, but

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Speaker 7: He was in a group called the Chances.

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Speaker 7: Bud Johnson Senior.

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Speaker 8: He uh, he was a you know, big into jazz

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Speaker 7: Graates like you know what I mean.

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Speaker 8: But I ain't really get to appreciate his style of

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Speaker 8: It wasn't I just didn't get it when I was

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Speaker 9: Like I asked you, at what point in your life

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Speaker 1: Like I was around no one ever gets it when

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Speaker 5: But right, but a high school is it like I'm

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Speaker 8: I'm probably like probably like yeah, in high school when

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Speaker 8: And he left me like his collection, his jazz record collection,

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Speaker 8: Shook Woms was made actually Hancock Records, my grandfather's records.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy.

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Speaker 7: Then I started to, you know, appreciate.

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Speaker 8: Hell yeah, man, I remember being at so many shows,

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Speaker 8: I'd be sitting at the ball drinking like little kid

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Speaker 8: and yeah, you know, just different different shows and whatnot.

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Speaker 8: And yeah, man I was I would definitely feel blessed.

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Speaker 3: Got it.

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Speaker 7: I got a chance to see him before, you know

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Speaker 3: I remember that.

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Speaker 1: That even makes it more special because I know earlier

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Speaker 1: at Bluenope.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy being in there.

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Speaker 8: We did the first show last month, and it's crazy

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Speaker 7: So now me and I'm like, damn, this is smaller

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Speaker 8: But it's like it's so surreal being in there and

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Speaker 9: And y'all like a generational New York family, Like is

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Speaker 8: My whole family's from South Side Jamaica, Queens and before that,

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Speaker 3: And Virginia, you know what I mean. Yeah, the crystals

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Speaker 8: No, no, he said that he took like plagiarize like

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Speaker 3: But like just I'm.

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Speaker 1: Just fascinating how parents will trick you into thinking that

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Speaker 3: At home self. Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised to find that out so well, Like

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Speaker 8: That Nah, In the beginning, I really didn't know what

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Speaker 7: When I heard those songs, that just changed every thing.

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Speaker 8: I used to play ah, you know, paid it full.

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Speaker 8: Matter of fact, I used to say rock Kim's rhymes

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Speaker 1: And did you always have this deep Deapan voice as

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Speaker 8: I don't know, that's just that's just my voice. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: hell yeah. So I used to say. I used to

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean. You were born was it?

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Speaker 3: Were you born in Long Island or I was born

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Speaker 3: in Hempstead, Yeah, long ago. I know that Chuck d

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Speaker 7: They Chuck did from the town right next to.

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Speaker 3: Me and Roosevelt.

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Speaker 8: Okay, that's right next to Hampstead. So we all liked.

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Speaker 8: I know that someone about PMD was Brentwood. It was

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Speaker 3: Yes you wait, I love that you just brought up

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Speaker 3: Like for me, Son of Berserk.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm the only person that got that

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Speaker 3: Like I used to see.

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Speaker 8: I used to go outside to the store and Son

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Speaker 3: The old man voice. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: Because we was like the little dudes using the studio.

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Speaker 8: It's a famous studio in Hempstead that Public Enemy.

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Speaker 7: It was called five to ten.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so that's what we all started. Buster would

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Speaker 8: So everybody used to be over there, like and we

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Speaker 8: I think messing Man from Hampstead. He's from Terrace Terror's ad,

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Speaker 8: you know what I mean. Trying to think of who

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Speaker 7: You know, those are the few that I can remember.

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Speaker 7: When I turned like eleven twelve, my mom's moved to

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Speaker 3: She moved to Left Rack City.

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Speaker 7: My pops had split up because my pop said did

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Speaker 8: My pops was wild man. He uh, he had kidnapped me.

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Speaker 8: Took me to Detroit. He was living in Detroit for

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Speaker 3: And when did you live in Detroit? Man?

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Speaker 8: This is like early eighties when scarfid what year the

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Speaker 7: Because my pops took me to the way.

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Speaker 8: My pops took me to the movies in Detroit when

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Speaker 3: So that's when I was out there in age.

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Speaker 4: When you were nine, I was not so the lyrics

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Speaker 3: Was seven? That was real? That really?

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, the pop man, he was off the man

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Speaker 7: He was something else.

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Speaker 8: Or like, yeah, he was a singer, you know what

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Speaker 8: My father went there and he actually got so good

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Speaker 8: what he was into. Computers, heroin, alcohol, karate. My father

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Speaker 3: You just said that convo back then. Computer. It's very crazy, man.

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Speaker 3: My pop's life was wild. It was wild.

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Speaker 7: That was his thing.

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Speaker 8: He loved computers and he loved fighting and just doing

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Speaker 3: He was crazy, man.

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Speaker 1: And I know that you have a closeness with your

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Speaker 7: Yeah, my grand My grandmother was ill.

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Speaker 8: She was one of the first Cotton Club dances when

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Speaker 7: We used to watch it in the crab. I don't

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Speaker 7: seen roots thousands.

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Speaker 3: Of times TV. You know what I mean.

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00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 8: That's like everybody get together watch Ben ben is on.

444
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 8: You know Michael Peters, he was the famous choreographer Michael

445
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 8: Michael Peters was that's my grandmama's. That was one of

446
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 8: my grandma's students.

447
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 9: He did beat it.

448
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 7: So like that was like events same thing like with

449
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 7: Ben Veren.

450
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, Peters is the and the beating knife battle.

451
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 3: He's the one in all white be the one that

452
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 3: got their hands tied up there.

453
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 5: When I was six, my dad introduced me to him

454
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 5: and I was like, but you can't dance better than

455
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 5: Michael Jackson.

456
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 9: And he walked away with me with so much app

457
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 9: toude like.

458
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 8: Like I remember when I was a little kid, like

459
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 8: we used to fly to Cali because a lot of

460
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 8: her students live in Cali and whatnot, So we used

461
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 8: to fly to Cali and visit them, and she used

462
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 8: to take care of some business. And Michael Peter used

463
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 8: to take me to Universal Studios all the time.

464
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 7: That was my favorite place when I was a little kid,

465
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 7: Like let's go again, Let's go again.

466
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 8: I've been there like a hundred times. When I was

467
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 8: a kid, that was my favorite ship, like you know

468
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 8: what I mean. But yeah, so this is my grandma.

469
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 8: This is like my grandmother's life. She uh you know,

470
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 8: this is her her thing in the dance world. And

471
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 8: she got a lot.

472
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 7: Of choreograph choreographers and she h.

473
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 8: She helped out a lot of people as far as

474
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 8: that in that world. So I grew up a lot

475
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 8: around her concerts. She would do these concerts every year

476
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 8: at Lincoln Center, at the Apollo at uh Carnegie Hall,

477
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 8: you know, every year she would do like a big concert.

478
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 8: And so you were a backstage kid. Yeah, me and

479
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 8: my cousins be backstage wild looking at the girls getting dressed.

480
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: In my backstage, I used to watch old old ass

481
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: dudes you know, smoke reefers in the well.

482
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 3: Yo.

483
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 8: But he had a better backstage experience. Yeah, especially at

484
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 8: my grandmother's dance school, like hundreds of girls from Queens

485
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 8: like that was like that was man.

486
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 7: I used to love that place when I was a

487
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 7: little kid.

488
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 8: Man, we had so much fun running around Jamaica Avenue

489
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 8: and you know, having fun, man with all the girls there.

490
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 8: And it was crazy crazy growing up, like you know

491
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 8: what I mean.

492
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 3: So when when did you officially you you moved to Queens, and.

493
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 8: So I moved the Queens after Detroit or yeah, there

494
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 8: had to be like eighty four, okay, eighty four eighty

495
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 8: five and moved the left rack with my mom's. She

496
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 8: got divorced from my pops after he kidding at me,

497
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 8: and she was tight.

498
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 3: She was like, man, I ain't doing this ship no more. Man, wait,

499
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: how does she find you?

500
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 8: My pops had actually took me on the robbery. Well,

501
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 8: he went and robbed the jury store. I was in

502
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 8: the car, you know what I'm saying.

503
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 3: And.

504
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 8: That ship pisched my mom's off because you know what

505
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 8: I mean. We got into the hospitation. National County Police's

506
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 8: chasing us, and he finally pulls over because he realized,

507
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 8: you know, I'm in the car. He jumps in the

508
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 8: car and throws a big ass bag of jewelry in

509
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 8: my hand. I'm like this hold onse, jurry sh and

510
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 8: he's flying through himstead like it was out on Long Island,

511
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 8: and you know, finally he pulls over. You know, I

512
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 8: remember the cop put me in the back and my

513
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 8: pop's hands was locked up on his back. I remember

514
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 8: holding my pops hand. They had me in the back

515
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 8: seat with him. I didn't know what was going on.

516
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 8: I'm like, I was too young to even compute with

517
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 8: the buck was happening. Get to the precinct. Police gave

518
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 8: me a soda. I remember sitting there drinking the soda.

519
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 8: My moms came to get me, and I remember her arguing,

520
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 8: my pop's flipping on him, like and then my pop's

521
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 8: kidnapped me right to that, you know what I mean,

522
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 8: because she was like, I.

523
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: Can't be with you no more.

524
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 8: So he took me to Detroit, and my mom found

525
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 8: out where I was at. She threatened, you know, call

526
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 8: the cops on him, and so he sent me back

527
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 8: or whatever my mom's Then we moved to left Rack,

528
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 8: and then I went to school and left Rack and

529
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 8: went and went to Junior high school and left right

530
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 8: said he went to Halsey right across the street from

531
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 8: you know, right across the street from the l I E.

532
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 8: You got across the lie to get over to the

533
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 8: high school.

534
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: I'll say that the picture that I always think of

535
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: when I think of Queens, there's more or less the

536
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: picture that you guys paying it on the infamous. But

537
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: was it always like that? Like when you first got

538
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: to Queens. Was it that because you paying a dark

539
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: what was Queen's Like?

540
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 8: I mean that this is when crack first came out.

541
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 8: When I'm over the Left Rack, crack just hit the street.

542
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 8: It was brand new. You know what I'm saying. I'm

543
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 8: in junior high school. I'm twelve years old. All the

544
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 8: little kids my age was selling crack in the neighborhood.

545
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying.

546
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 7: I used to go to school and she sees little

547
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 7: niggas with rope chains and levees and ed max. I'm like,

548
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 7: what the fuck.

549
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 3: Is these niggas doing?

550
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 8: Like you know what I'm saying, Like these little kids

551
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 8: like you know what I'm saying, with big jewelry on

552
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 8: looking like Eric being Rocky in on the cover of

553
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 8: the album, Like you know what I'm saying. And then

554
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 8: you know, I started getting cool with people out there

555
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 8: and they started telling me what they're doing, you know

556
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 8: what I mean. And Left Rack was big time for

557
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 8: like selling crack. Like It's well known that left Rack

558
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 8: City was like big, big, big time cracked neighborhood, Like

559
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 8: you know what I mean?

560
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: And left Rackets is proper name left Rack. Yeah, Okay,

561
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: because I always I think when right, Yeah, like I thought.

562
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 7: That was did you know what I mean?

563
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 3: They used to they call left rack IRAQ. That's that's

564
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: what say. Left Rack is irack.

565
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 7: Queens Bridge is Kuwait you know what I'm saying.

566
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, but.

567
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, so left rack that's how I was out there.

568
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 8: This is when crack first hit. So you know, all

569
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 8: my friends I'm going to junior high school, they sell

570
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 8: the crack. And you know, once I got cool with

571
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 8: them and they told me what they was doing, I

572
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 8: was like, man, you know, let me try my hand

573
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 8: at that. I want someone want to chain too, you

574
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, don't want a little fly like yeah.

575
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 8: So I hooked up with one of my homies from school.

576
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 8: He gave me a few vows.

577
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: He was like, start with this. You know what I'm saying.

578
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 8: If you could do this off good come back. I

579
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 8: gave you some more like you know what I mean.

580
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 8: So I went out. I'm twelve years old. I'm looking

581
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 8: like I'm eight. When I was twelve, a little like

582
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 8: I was eight.

583
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, you definitely found the fountain of youth. Man.

584
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: So figure in your thirties and forties now, like.

585
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 8: I go outside with the little cracks on me and whatnot,

586
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 8: and I'm super pad annoyed. I never sold a crack

587
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 8: in my life, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like,

588
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 8: I'm looking around, I'm nervous. Motherfucker's walking up to me like, yo,

589
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 8: you guys. I'm like, I don't know. It's like that

590
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 8: scene from Paying Full everyone he was like scared when

591
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 8: he first old, just like that. I was fucking Parannoyd yoe.

592
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 8: So anyway, I think I sold one vow and the

593
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 8: police ran up on me, you know what I'm saying.

594
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: First time.

595
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 8: First time police ran up on me, grabbed me. Yep,

596
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 8: fuck you doing out here? Found the cracks. They was like,

597
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 8: how the fuck? How old are you? I'm like, I'm twelve.

598
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 8: They're like, what the fuck? You look like a little kid, Like, dude,

599
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 8: like a real little kid, like go home, man, fuck

600
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 8: you doing out here? And he just took the crack

601
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 8: and sent me on. So now I gotta explain to

602
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 8: this nigga what happened with the crack crack?

603
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

604
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 8: He like, Yo, what happened? I'm like, yo, police just

605
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 8: took it and they let me go. He's like, yeah,

606
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 8: now you gotta get me that brush. Son, So we

607
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 8: have a scrap, you know what I'm saying. At school,

608
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 8: he want to scrap. I lost, you know what I'm saying.

609
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 7: I was taking I'm taking my jacket off. He snuffed me.

610
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 8: I'm like, oh shit, So these girls breaking up, some

611
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 8: girls I knew from the hood broke it up, like

612
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 8: leave him alone. Leave So anyway, I ain't fuck with

613
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 8: the cracks no more. Why is this for a minute?

614
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 8: Four minute?

615
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 7: And you know, I just I just was just cool

616
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 7: with everybody after that.

617
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

618
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 8: I wasn't trying to, you know, really sell on drugs

619
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 8: and get caught. That was too much for me, Like

620
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. And then once I went

621
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 8: to high school and I met half so they had

622
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 8: brought me out to Queensbridge when I first you know,

623
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 8: I went to high school when I first met him

624
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 8: and he introduced me to that.

625
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 7: Whole world was just different.

626
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 8: Now, mind you, when I was when I was a kid,

627
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 8: my mother, you know, my mother whole life, she worked

628
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 8: for the housing Authority, So she worked in all the

629
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 8: projects in New York, Brooklyn, Harlem, and you know what

630
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 8: I mean. Queens and Queensbridge was one of the projects

631
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 8: that she worked in. Her job was she would get

632
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 8: people to approve for their apartments, you know.

633
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: What I mean. So they come to her to apply

634
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 3: for She worked in the.

635
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 8: Office on the hill on Queensbridge, and you know, people

636
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 8: gotta come to her, and.

637
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 3: She decided we signed them.

638
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, if they make enough money

639
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 8: to live in the projects or you know, subsidized rant

640
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 8: or whatever how that works.

641
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 9: Everybody wanted to be her friend.

642
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, So she worked in Queensbridge when I was a

643
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 8: little kid, you know what I'm saying.

644
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 7: And I used to go with her to work in

645
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 7: the summertime.

646
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 8: This is before I met Halving all that, and I

647
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 8: went to reach day camp, like when my mom's at work,

648
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 8: she would drop me a day camp on the hill

649
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 8: called Reese. So I was already out there for a

650
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 8: few years when I was a little kid. I met

651
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 8: a bunch of people and it just so happened. In

652
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 8: years later, you know, once I moved to left right,

653
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 8: went to high school in the city.

654
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: Man. Half now I'm back in Queensbridge.

655
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 8: I'm older now, and I'm saying people I remember when

656
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 8: I was a kid from days from day camp and

657
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 8: all that, right, but it was just being back out

658
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 8: there and just seeing you know how Queensband was like

659
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 8: just a whole nother world, like the fashion, the slang,

660
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 8: like you know, just everything.

661
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: It's just different.

662
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: Okay, can you explain something to our listeners and by

663
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Speaker 1: our listeners listeners, I mean me, what is the dumb language?

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Speaker 1: And what is the genesis of the dumb language?

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Speaker 8: Was that like done duney like done done, the done

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Speaker 8: language that's like saying we send no cats.

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Speaker 1: In Sweden that talked with done like after my deep

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Speaker 1: s came up, Yo, what I've done?

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Speaker 3: And I was like, what are y'all talking about?

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Speaker 7: It's one of our homies from Queensbridge. His name is Bumpy.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 8: He got like a speech impetitive and he speaks with

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Speaker 8: like a list a little bit, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: So you know that's where we call each other's son.

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Speaker 8: Everybody like yo, what up son? What up son?

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Speaker 7: And when Bumpy say it, he'd be like, what up thunk?

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Speaker 3: What up thunk?

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Speaker 10: So you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 8: So it's you, yeah, yeah, tears you in. But I

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Speaker 8: had short when I write my rhyms. I tried to,

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Speaker 8: like I write shorthand I try to write short as possible.

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Speaker 3: So I used to write du in just to write.

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Speaker 8: It real quick and get it out the way, you

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Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. So it's like two different spellings

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Speaker 8: when I do it. But whatever, that's where it started

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Speaker 8: with Bumpy, you know what I'm saying, and we just

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Speaker 8: started calling out. He created the dumb language. That's what

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Speaker 8: we you know what I mean, you, yeah, shout out

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Speaker 8: the bump man. But yeah, once I got out there

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Speaker 8: and I just seen how that world was in Queensbridge,

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Speaker 8: and I remember being out there as a kid. When

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Speaker 8: I was out there, it was like super early eighties,

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Speaker 8: like probably the Juice Crew.

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Speaker 3: Was popping, like back of those guys.

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Speaker 8: I was too young back in the days, you know

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Speaker 8: what I'm saying, when I was in day camp. But

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Speaker 8: I remember how they used to dress. They used to

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Speaker 8: have the shelter, they used to have the pumas with

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Speaker 8: the you know the tall one suits can't go. I

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Speaker 8: remember seeing people dressed like that when I was a kid,

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Speaker 8: So I know that was like probably that Juice Crew era.

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Speaker 8: And then when I came back out there later on.

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Speaker 8: You know, it was it was new things happening, you

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Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. It was like their era was

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Speaker 8: starting to change. You know what I'm saying, Things were

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Speaker 8: starting to change. And you know, I was like right

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Speaker 8: smack dab in the middle of it, man. And you know,

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Speaker 8: it was just interesting to see being from Hempstead and

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Speaker 8: going to school in Manhattan, you know where manha a.

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Speaker 8: We went to high school with everybody from you know,

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Speaker 8: different boroughs, Brooklyn, the Bronx, you know, Manhattan Queens. They

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Speaker 8: was from everywhere in high school, art and design, you

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Speaker 8: know what I mean. So we had friends with people

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Speaker 8: from all over eight East Borough. So we used to

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Speaker 8: hang out. You know, we used to party in the

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Speaker 8: Bronx up by Yankee Stadium and Sheridan. We used to

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Speaker 8: you know, hang out in Brooklyn and bed Style Marcy Tompkins, Sumner,

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Speaker 8: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: We used to.

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Speaker 7: We was out there, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So was there ever any hesitation whatsoever?

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Speaker 1: Because I know, if you go to a different part

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Speaker 1: of town that you're not necessarily from, it could be

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Speaker 1: a caution thing, like you know.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean you gotta be careful, man, I mean

726
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Speaker 7: look growing up. You know what I'm saying. This is

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Speaker 7: this is where things changed for me a little bit.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 8: My first year of high school, there was this game

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Speaker 8: called The Decepticons, you know what I'm saying. And I

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Speaker 8: used to come to school in the morning, and uh,

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Speaker 8: I used to see people coming to school, my friends

733
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Speaker 8: coming to school with big ass cuts going across.

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Speaker 7: They face their arms hands like.

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Speaker 8: Buck fifty days, face is spliced open, like you know

736
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Speaker 8: what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, what the fuck happened to you?

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Speaker 3: Son?

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Speaker 8: The're like, yo, the Deceptor car just caught us in

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Speaker 8: the train station, you know they I'm like, whoa.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, Yo, the niggas ain't cutting me like that.

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Speaker 3: Dog.

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Speaker 8: I'm buying a gun right now because I damn nigga

744
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Speaker 8: try to cut me like that.

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Speaker 7: These niggas was twisted, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: So that kind of it kind of forced me into

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Speaker 8: position where I was like, i'ma protect myself, like you

748
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Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. So that's when I bought my

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Speaker 8: first gun because of that, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 8: Because I was gonna let the white cut me in

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Speaker 8: the face like that, you know what I'm saying, and

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Speaker 8: they was running around doing this on a daily like

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Speaker 8: this is what they was doing. Like they was from Brooklyn,

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Speaker 8: like you know what I mean. It was just a gang.

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Speaker 8: It was called Decepticons. They had a female version called

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Speaker 8: Deceptor Nets. They had another game called The Low Lives.

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Speaker 8: They had another game called I can't think of it

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Speaker 8: right now, but yeah, there was like this gang culture

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Speaker 8: from Brooklyn, you know what I'm saying. And we had

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Speaker 8: to deal with that, you know, because after school they

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Speaker 8: would come up to different schools and terrorize motherfuckers, Robin

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Speaker 8: motherfuckers like you know what I'm saying. So it forced

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Speaker 8: me and my little tight friends to be on some bullshit.

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Speaker 7: It forced us to be on some bullshit, you know

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Speaker 7: what I'm saying. And that's that's where the bullshit started

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Speaker 7: a little bit, like you know what I'm saying, you

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Speaker 7: know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: And then you know, also just growing up in Hampstead,

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Speaker 8: you know, that's like it's a hood, that's a hood

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Speaker 8: out there, like you know what I'm saying. It's a

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Speaker 8: residential area that got houses that looked nice. But that's

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Speaker 8: the hood out for Hempstead. Wasn't the the cozy part

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Speaker 8: of Long Island.

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Speaker 7: That Nahmstead.

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Speaker 1: When I think a Long Island, I think of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a vacation spot or yeah, nah nah.

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Speaker 3: Where'd you grow You grew up.

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Speaker 1: In Hempstead, Bill, Now I grew up a few miles

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Speaker 1: north of Hempstead, but a little bit a little different.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a differant part where you crossed the track.

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Speaker 8: As soon as you cross the track called the track side,

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Speaker 8: right as soon as you cross.

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Speaker 7: The track is over. Oh you're in the hood.

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Speaker 3: Certain to explain that on his episode that Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: I had a lot of friends out there.

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Speaker 8: We did a lot of things, and you know, it

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Speaker 8: put me on some ship mentally, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: Just and my my pops already had me on some

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Speaker 8: ship mentally. But then going to school Manhatan, you know

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Speaker 8: that really kind of changed me because I started hanging

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Speaker 8: out and on the different boroughs.

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Speaker 3: I had friends from different boroughs and we.

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Speaker 8: Used to deal with this type of ship Did you

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Speaker 8: go to art and designer man the Fame school?

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Speaker 7: That's what that's what that's all right, No, that's that's

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Speaker 7: uh Guardia. Yeah, so there's another My mother went to

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Speaker 7: to that school she graduated.

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Speaker 9: So what did you are having both go to the

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Speaker 9: school for?

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Speaker 8: Because so Havelf was a grade ahead of me. He

801
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Speaker 8: was there for architecture. He was dope. He used to

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Speaker 8: build like scale models or like you know, apartment complexes

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Speaker 8: or whatever, building like.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean. He could do that.

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Speaker 8: It's nice I went to school there because this is

806
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Speaker 8: all most of my friends was from left Rack.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 7: We used to sit around the summertime, where are you

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Speaker 7: going to high school?

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Speaker 3: Son?

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Speaker 8: Well, we're going to Edison. Oh I'm going to this one.

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Speaker 8: And most of my friends like, we're going on design.

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Speaker 8: So I was like, fuck, I'm going there too. Then

814
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Speaker 8: I'm going wherever y'all niggas is going right. So that's

815
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Speaker 8: the only reason I wanted to go there. You know

816
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Speaker 8: what I'm saying, I didn't really have I didn't think

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Speaker 8: that I had any art skills, Like you know what

818
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Speaker 8: I'm saying. I had to take a test to get

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Speaker 8: into school. You had to bring a portfolio up. So

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Speaker 8: I was like, all right, what am I gonna do?

821
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Speaker 8: How'm I'm getting school?

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Speaker 3: I'm a guy. I got work my way in school.

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Speaker 8: Somehow, So I thought and I was like all right,

824
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Speaker 8: I'm a this is this is this group called the

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Speaker 8: shirt Kings, like clothing designers and.

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Speaker 7: Oh the airbrush yeah, and a brushing in the coliseum

827
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Speaker 7: and queens.

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Speaker 8: So you know, I grew up with them like I

829
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Speaker 8: grew up with a little kid on Jamaica Avenue, like

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Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. So they know me all

831
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Speaker 8: my life, like you know what I mean. So I

832
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Speaker 8: was like, light bulb, I'm gonna just copy. I'm gonna

833
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Speaker 8: bite the shirt Kings. I'm sure these I'm sure these

834
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Speaker 8: motherfuckers art design.

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Speaker 7: They never seen no ship like that before, you know

836
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Speaker 7: what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: Right, So I just got me some shirts, I got

838
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Speaker 8: me some marketers, uh, some paint whatever, and I just

839
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Speaker 8: drew some graffiti on the ship and I made a

840
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Speaker 8: portfolio brought up to school and they was like, oh

841
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Speaker 8: they liked it, and I got it.

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Speaker 3: I got into school with that ship. I was shocked.

843
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Speaker 3: I was like, oh shit, that should work. You know

844
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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. This is crazy hearing this.

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Speaker 9: This is that's your story.

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Speaker 1: It's story, right because Tarik was was the art was

847
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Speaker 1: the art design students. So he used to make like

848
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Speaker 1: crazy medallions and those your baby, yo, Mickey mouse ship.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, man, sit like creative man creative.

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Speaker 8: But you know, I guess uh, you know, I got

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Speaker 8: a love for being creative by being at that school.

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Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: I got a love for photography because we had photography class.

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Speaker 8: There a love for you know, just design and ship

855
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Speaker 8: and seeing what have used to do with the architecture.

856
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Speaker 8: It's just, you know, open my mind something new.

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Speaker 3: You know. So how did y'all how did you guys meet?

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Speaker 3: You met in high school?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: We met my first year of high school and my

861
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Speaker 8: photography class was a kid named Black from the Bronx,

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Speaker 8: and we got real cool, kicking it every day in class.

863
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Speaker 8: And one day he was like, yo, man, he was like,

864
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Speaker 8: I used to wear mad jewelry like I used to

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Speaker 8: have I thought I was slick, ricked dog.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: I used to have hands full of rings, mad chains

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Speaker 8: and ship stop. I was retarded when I was in school,

869
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Speaker 8: Like you know what I'm saying. That's another reason why

870
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Speaker 8: I bought a gun too, because I'm like, I'm a

871
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Speaker 8: target with all.

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Speaker 7: This ship on.

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Speaker 3: You didn't feel like I was.

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Speaker 8: I was bugged out as a kid, Yo, you know

875
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Speaker 8: what I'm saying. I didn't really care too much. So

876
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Speaker 8: you know when I'm at half it was because of

877
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Speaker 8: my man Black from the Bronx photography class. He was like, yo, man,

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Speaker 8: you know you should meet my one of my friends

879
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 8: the name Havoc. They're both rapped, you're both about the

880
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 8: same height. You know, I'm gonna introduce you to him

881
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 8: after school. So little did I know that these niggas

882
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 8: were setting me up to rob me. Oh wait what

883
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 8: Havoc boy? This had arranged marriage, that arrange.

884
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: The greatest story, like the greatest life.

885
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 8: They were setting me up that day. It was like

886
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 8: a whole setup. They was gonna rob me, you know

887
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 8: what I'm saying, and whatever. I ain't find this out

888
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 8: till later, you know what I'm.

889
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: Saying, Like lady, when you're on the proposal.

890
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: But like, oh, yo, you.

891
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 8: Remember when we first met, Maybe like a year later

892
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 8: they came They was like, yo, remember that time. We

893
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 8: was like yo, we's gonna rob you that day, son,

894
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 8: But you know you was cool, so we was like, nah.

895
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: I don't rob them. That's our story.

896
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 7: That's real shit too, man.

897
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Wait, a minute, you're listening

898
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 3: to the Quest Love Supreme.

899
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: Our guests this week are Prodigy of Mob Deep and Kaffyandali,

900
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: journalists and co author of Prodigy's latest book, Commisary Kitchen,

901
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: My infamous prison cookbook. And we got some messages from

902
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: our sponsors. All right, So when you you're telling me

903
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: that initially your meeting was a setup, you came in

904
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: the name of oh, we should be in a group together.

905
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 7: I was like, I'm cool, Black, we cool kicking. Seemed

906
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 7: like a cool dude.

907
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 8: He said he want to introduce me to somebody that

908
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 8: wrapped to We about the same height.

909
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 3: He was like, Yo, you should make a group.

910
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 7: I'm gonna introduce you to him after school.

911
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, bet.

912
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 8: So after school we go outside and there's a fight

913
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 8: right in front of the school. So I'm like, we're

914
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 8: looking at the fight, and my man Black is like,

915
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 8: that's that's havoc right there fighting. He's fighting that kid.

916
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 8: So have I've seen that he was fighting some kid?

917
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 8: Kid actually tried to stab had missed missed him. He

918
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 8: was like leather jacket and like motherfuckers dropp niggas, like

919
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 8: got the knife out of his hand.

920
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 3: Had beat him.

921
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 8: Up and everybody lifted half up in the air like

922
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 8: he just like like he just hit.

923
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 7: The winning game touchdown.

924
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 8: There was dumping him in the air like this, I

925
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 8: swear all the way to the train station after the fight. Damn,

926
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 8: he's calling him Kiw because I was like his name, Like,

927
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 8: his name is Keiwan. So he's like nickname in schools

928
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 8: like Kiwi. The used to call the Kiwi and they

929
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 8: used to call me pee wee.

930
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

931
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 7: Because I was mad small Like you know what I'm saying.

932
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 3: That would have been a better group named.

933
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 8: So you know, we following him to the train station

934
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 8: and I'm like this is crazy like all. So after

935
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 8: they put him down, we get on the train, we

936
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 8: meet each other. So I'm like, yo, where are we going?

937
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 8: Like we're going to Ravenswood. I'm like ravens Wood. I'm

938
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 8: like my grandmother from Ravenswood, my mother's mother, you know

939
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 8: what I mean. She had moved from South Jamaica projects

940
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 8: to Ravenswood like some time ago. He was like a word,

941
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 8: He's like my grandmother from Ravenswood. So both our grandmothers

942
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 8: lived in Ravenswood. So right there, that was like we

943
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 8: had a connection, like you know what I'm saying. Right,

944
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 8: so we went to his you know, his craving Ravenswood

945
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 8: and we chilled, and we went to Queensbridge walked around chilling, and.

946
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: That was it.

947
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 7: We just got cool that day, you know what I'm saying.

948
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 8: And we started making songs immediately, and we just clicked immediately,

949
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 8: We just clicked, you know what I mean. We became

950
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 8: really close friends and getting in the mad trouble together

951
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 8: and just doing all this dope music and everything was

952
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 8: just like so he was moving know how to make

953
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 8: beats immediately or nah, nah, I actually taught Half how

954
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 8: to how to make beats, how to sample and.

955
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 3: Wait, you were the initial the person. What were you using?

956
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 8: Uh EPs sixteen planet task scam set, four track ship

957
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 8: recorder ship like you know what I'm saying.

958
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 3: We let the little mixed board. Yeah.

959
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 8: So after I met Half, you know what i mean,

960
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 8: and we started getting real cool and we started being

961
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 8: like all right, this is this is we got something,

962
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. We kind of looked good together,

963
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 8: were the same height, we got the same style, like

964
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, And it's like, uh, we're

965
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 8: making these dope. We made like fifty songs immediately. We

966
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 8: made like fifty songs when we first met, in a

967
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 8: week or in a month, a couple of weeks, you know.

968
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: What I'm saying. OK.

969
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 8: And uh, you know right after that, you know, we

970
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 8: just realized like you're damn we got something here, you

971
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. And uh, we just started pushing

972
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 8: forward with it, like, man, you know what, fuck school,

973
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 8: let's do this.

974
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: For You did the two Young record on No this

975
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 3: is after I did that.

976
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 8: So I did the Too Young Record when I was

977
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 8: in junior high school.

978
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 3: Oh wow, the boys and sound him what this is

979
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 3: why I wrote a book.

980
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 7: Man, There's so much shipped from different angles, Like.

981
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: But the EPA won't listen to what I have said,

982
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: these two of the biggest biggest R and B heads

983
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: of all times.

984
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 8: The fact that when I was living in Left Rack,

985
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 8: I had made a U, I had a solo career.

986
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 8: I was like trying to be a you know, a

987
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 8: solo artist. My name was the Golden Child. My name

988
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 8: was Lord T the Golden Child.

989
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

990
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 8: Because my family they called me choker. You know what

991
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 8: I'm saying with the T, but the tea is silent,

992
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. The tea come from choker.

993
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying. Lord T. The Golden Child,

994
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 8: I thought I was the Golden Chad. That was my like,

995
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 8: my favorite movie.

996
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 3: I was.

997
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 7: So Anyway, I had Little te the Golden Child, one

998
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 7: of my homies from Left Frack.

999
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 3: You know.

1000
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 7: We used to make some music together or whatever whatever.

1001
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 8: But he used to send me some beats and I

1002
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 8: used to go record him and I used to shop around.

1003
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 8: My mom's was like, yo, shop your demo around. She

1004
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 8: was like, write your lyrics out mailing to yourself. That's

1005
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 8: the cheap man copy copyright, man, poor man copyright like

1006
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 8: I was doing.

1007
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 3: My mom was teaching me what to do.

1008
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 8: She was like, do this, do that, take a shit around,

1009
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. So we got my music

1010
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 8: to jive somehow. I don't even remember how, but job

1011
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 8: gave me a demo deal and a demo dealer is

1012
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 8: do you remember?

1013
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 3: Nah, I don't even remember how I answered that time.

1014
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 8: This is nineteen ninety, correct, Na, this is like eighty eight,

1015
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 8: eighty nine. Okay, you know what I'm saying. So I'm

1016
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 8: in job working in battery studio. You know, they got

1017
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 8: their own studio, So they gave me a studio. They

1018
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 8: was like, all right, let's see what you could do,

1019
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 8: you by yourself. That's what a demo deal is, you

1020
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. They put you in the studio.

1021
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 8: All right, let's see what you If you could come

1022
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 8: up with something dope within the next couple of months,

1023
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 8: we'll sign you to you know what I'm saying.

1024
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 7: So that's the kind of.

1025
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 3: Deal I had.

1026
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: So so you by yourself, Me by myself with the

1027
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: German scene and you writing your rhymes, doing your own music.

1028
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 8: No, I wasn't making beats at that point. I was

1029
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 8: getting beats from people, and you know what I mean,

1030
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 8: just trying whatever I could do. So while I'm dead,

1031
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 8: I used to I used to flirt with the girls

1032
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 8: at the front desk, like you know what I mean.

1033
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 8: A couple of girls worked at the front desk.

1034
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 7: You know, they was cool with me.

1035
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 8: So one day I'll go to job to go to

1036
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 8: the studio and the girl at the front desk, her

1037
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 8: name was Kim. I remember her name because she hooked

1038
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 8: it up for me. She was like, yo, I want

1039
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 8: to bring you to the back. You need to meet somebody.

1040
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 8: They working on the soundtrack. I'm gonna get you on

1041
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 8: his soundtrack.

1042
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: Come on.

1043
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 7: So she brought me in the back office. She was like, Yo,

1044
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 7: this is this is little tea whatever da da da dah.

1045
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 3: He rapped.

1046
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 7: You should get him on this song.

1047
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 8: So they was like, all right, go ahead, you write,

1048
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 8: write some balls. See what you could come up with.

1049
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 8: And I wrote that too young, you know what I mean?

1050
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 8: And they put me on the song.

1051
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 3: So crazy. I was just thinking about that. I was

1052
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 3: really thinking about that song last week. All the stuff

1053
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 3: about about Trump, you know, defunding the E p.

1054
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 4: A and all that, that lyric kept coming in my head.

1055
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 3: It's crazy crazy.

1056
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 7: I never knew that then.

1057
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: You know. My first year of high school, Mett Half.

1058
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 8: Still working at Battery at this time, so I used

1059
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 8: to bring Half with me. I was like, yo, I

1060
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 8: got a studio we could work at. So I used

1061
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 8: to bring Half with me. The Battery, we used to

1062
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 8: get beat. We used to like use recording polls on

1063
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 8: the tape and make our own beats. And that's we

1064
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 8: made a lot of beats like that.

1065
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 3: And where y'all going by the poetical prophets at this time.

1066
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, we still didn't figure out the name out this time,

1067
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. But uh, you know, Job

1068
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 8: gave me that studio then. Now I'm not supposed to

1069
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 8: be having other people in there.

1070
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: So does the story sound familiar? Is the black version

1071
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: of search, This is the third base got started.

1072
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: So take this out so now you know.

1073
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 8: Job was like, all right, we want to sign you

1074
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 8: after the boys and the hood Ship and all that.

1075
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 8: And I was like, look, I got a partner now.

1076
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 8: I was like, if you want to sign me, you

1077
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 8: gotta signed him. And they was like, na, we just

1078
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 8: want you, you know what I mean, we don't want

1079
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 8: your partner. And I was like, all right, well.

1080
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 3: See you later.

1081
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 8: You walked away from that, that's oil. I was like, man, listen,

1082
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 8: because what we were doing, it was just it was

1083
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 8: just a vibe.

1084
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 7: You could just feel it, you know what I mean.

1085
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 8: You could feel the power of what and we just

1086
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 8: like met and just started and through our conversations and

1087
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 8: just hanging out and the music we was doing, you

1088
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 8: could just feel like, this is what it's supposed to be.

1089
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 8: You know, I'm not supposed to be a solo artist,

1090
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 8: you know, what I'm.

1091
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 9: Saying, knowed you walked away?

1092
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you know that because I was trying to

1093
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 7: get both of us signed the job, you know what

1094
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 7: I'm saying.

1095
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: But they was like nah, So like I mean, by

1096
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: this time, there were other groups that were of your

1097
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: age or I mean, y'all look mad young at least

1098
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: on the Juvenile Health record, y'all look young and shit.

1099
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 1: So I thought y'all were in the kids group realm right?

1100
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: So were they trying to mold y'all into that ABC

1101
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: criss cross kind of bandwagon?

1102
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: Like they trying to make y'all kids group?

1103
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 8: The ill part about it is we never had anybody

1104
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 8: telling us to do anything nor ever, like I said,

1105
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 8: they put me in that room like all right, let

1106
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 8: me see what you can do.

1107
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: That's crazy. So nobody artist development, no do that. Nobody

1108
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 3: ever told us what you able to teach yourself.

1109
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 7: All we just did it, Like you know what I'm saying.

1110
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 7: We just did it.

1111
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 8: And you know, after job was like nah, I was like,

1112
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 8: all right, we're out of here, and uh we just

1113
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 8: continue to make songs and shop our demo around and

1114
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 8: you know, try to get on you know I'm saying.

1115
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 7: And that's when we met you tip after a while.

1116
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

1117
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm sure you've told this story a good

1118
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: jillion times, but can you please tell that death jam story?

1119
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: So for our listeners, you've not heard this is the

1120
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: illest story ever ever.

1121
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, man, then let me say something real quick to Okay,

1122
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 8: just something clear, real quick. A lot of motherfuckers they

1123
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 8: read my book or they hear these stories.

1124
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 3: This nigga dry snitching.

1125
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 8: Now, let me tell you something, right, there's nobody being convicted,

1126
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 8: arrested or anything. From what I'm saying. I'm saying, ship

1127
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 8: with the I'm saying ship with a what do you

1128
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 8: call it? The thattual limitations.

1129
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 7: Is done already.

1130
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 8: So it's like this is our life, Like this is

1131
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 8: ship that happened in our life, and it's it's a

1132
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 8: blessing that we're able to talk about.

1133
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 7: It right now and that we made it out of

1134
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 7: certain ship.

1135
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 3: And you know what I mean.

1136
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 8: So when when when you hear people saying only they

1137
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 8: don't know what the fuck they're talking about the dog

1138
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 8: like that, that's that shit really pisses me off. But anyway,

1139
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 8: I'm gonna tell you the story. Thank you, So after

1140
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 8: the job, ship me and has started making mad songs,

1141
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 8: and we took our new demo around and what we

1142
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 8: used to do is look on the back of albums

1143
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 8: to our favorite labels. So our favorite label, of course

1144
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 8: was Death Jam at that time. So we used to

1145
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 8: be like, all right, where's death Jam? All right, here's

1146
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 8: the address. All right, come ons, cut out of schools,

1147
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 8: take the train, go down to death Jam. So we

1148
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 8: used to go down to death Jair with the headphones,

1149
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 8: walk in, and we should to just stand outside the

1150
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 8: door like this and wait for the rappers to come out,

1151
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, or whoever to come out.

1152
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 8: And we've seen, you know, a bunch of different rappers

1153
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 8: come out. We'd be like, yo, listen to our demo tape.

1154
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 8: And he was like, man, I got time of this ship.

1155
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: See who in front of your who's the minor? Who's

1156
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: the minor of the story on three guests last week?

1157
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: And now I feel bad.

1158
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, Yo, they're gonna be biggest sit like we

1159
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 3: was outside of thirty Rock for you.

1160
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 7: I'm gonna tell you it was i'ma I remember clearly

1161
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 7: who it was. I don't got no.

1162
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 8: Personal ship against him. I don't care about that ship.

1163
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 8: This is like but it definitely was the Afros.

1164
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 11: Remember the damn hurricane Hurricane you could have had Hurricane

1165
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 11: was like, what come on, watch out, shorty, you got

1166
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 11: time for this shit.

1167
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 8: So I'm like, word whatever. So we wait outside. We

1168
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 8: waited outside, We see people coming out. Nobody would give

1169
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 8: us a listen. The Q Tip came out the building

1170
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 8: and you know, they was on fire at that time.

1171
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 8: That was the try call question ship. We're like, oh,

1172
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 8: ship tip right here, Yo, could you listen to our demo?

1173
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 7: Son like check us out? Something from Queens dah da

1174
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 7: dah dah.

1175
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 8: He's like, work, check your ship out. Put on listen,

1176
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 8: playing him a couple of songs.

1177
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 7: He took it off. He was like, come on, come

1178
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 7: inside the office with me.

1179
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 8: Dumn brought us in the office, introduced us to Chris Lighty,

1180
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 8: introduced us to man. It was called RUSS associated label

1181
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 8: at that time.

1182
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1183
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 8: It was like a management management thing and plus the

1184
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 8: associated label thing, and you know, he introduced us to

1185
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 8: people in the office and Sip was like, Yo, these

1186
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 8: dudes are dope. Help them, you know what I'm saying.

1187
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 8: He was like, help them get them, do something with them.

1188
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 8: He was like, yeah, he's like your center.

1189
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 7: He's telling Chris, he's telling everybody office.

1190
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 8: YO, set up a meeting with Russell. Set up a

1191
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 8: meeting with YO. Get them, you know what I mean,

1192
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 8: get these kids music hurt they dope yea. So after that,

1193
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 8: you know, we, uh we had a meeting with h

1194
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 8: They set up a meeting for us with Russell Simmons.

1195
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 7: So we go to the office to have a meeting

1196
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 7: with Russell and uh, it's supposed to be at Russell Cribb,

1197
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 7: which was around the corner on Broadway, Rob McDonald's somewhere

1198
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 7: down that area.

1199
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: So we get to Russell Creb.

1200
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 8: Matter of fact, I had the gun on me, you

1201
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 8: know what I mean, the little one shot daarreage. I

1202
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 8: had bought a school, you know what I mean. So

1203
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 8: I wasn't trying to get cut. I had left it

1204
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 8: in the deaf jam office because I didn't want to

1205
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 8: bring a gun in Russell house, you know what I mean.

1206
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 3: I was like trying to beat respectful. Respectful.

1207
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 8: I was like, I don't bring no weapon in this

1208
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 8: crib let meet. I was talking my man office. Hold

1209
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 8: us in the drawer for me until we get back

1210
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 8: from the mean. So he said, all right, put in

1211
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 8: the drawer, walked around the corner with the Russell crib.

1212
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 8: Russell was a no show. They're like, oh, Russell got

1213
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 8: caught up. Y'all gonna meet with Leo instead in the office.

1214
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 3: Everyone has a Leo story.

1215
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 8: So we're like, all right, bet So we go back

1216
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 8: to Death Jam. We meet with Leo. We play Leo

1217
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 8: our music. He listening, then he stops the music. He's like,

1218
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 8: I can't do nothing with y'all. We're like why. He's like,

1219
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 8: how old are y'all? So we were about fifteen sixteen

1220
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 8: at this time. He's like, y'all, First of all, y'all

1221
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 8: look like y'all nine years old or something. Y'all cursing

1222
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 8: like sailors, y'all talking about criminal crazy shit.

1223
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 7: He said, I'm gonna get sued. They're gonna sue Death.

1224
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 8: Jam for putting this on the radio and do all this,

1225
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 8: that and the third like, there's no way I can

1226
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 8: get this played on the radio. There's no way I

1227
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 8: could get this. They're gonna ban y'all. Basically, he told

1228
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 8: us like he's like, I can't do nothing with you.

1229
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, and We're like.

1230
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 3: That's crazy.

1231
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 8: We like what We was like, what the fuck is

1232
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 8: wrong with this dude? Like he didn't understand the music.

1233
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 8: He didn't I don't know. He didn't get it. He

1234
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 8: didn't like it, that's his choice whatever. So we was like,

1235
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,919
Speaker 8: all right, fuck it. We wasn't mad at anything. We

1236
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 8: was a little upset, like I fucked this nigger. He

1237
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 8: don't know, but we didn't give a fuck. We was like,

1238
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 8: all right, on to the next label. We're gonna go

1239
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 8: to it. We're gonna we're gonna finally find someplace. So

1240
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 8: we go downstairs and uh, before we leave, you know,

1241
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 8: they had all these posters hanging up in the office and.

1242
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 7: They had like the Great Adventures of Slick Rick frame.

1243
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 8: They had like big Daddy cane ship everybody shit framed

1244
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 8: in it, and uh, daylight just dropped, uh de los

1245
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 8: Solo's dad. So I wanted one of those posters. They

1246
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 8: had the ill dey Lo Soulo's dad post. I wanted

1247
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 8: hanging up in my room. You know that was that

1248
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 8: back in the day, shit hanging sh up in your

1249
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 8: room or whatnot. So I told my man that helped

1250
00:57:59,280 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 8: the gun for me.

1251
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 3: Drawer.

1252
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 8: I was like, Yo, get us some posters before we bounced.

1253
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying. He said, ah, right, I'm

1254
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 8: hook go up. So he went, got up some posters.

1255
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 8: So me and Half is at his desk. So I'm like, oh, Ship,

1256
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 8: the gun is in the drawer, son, So Half get

1257
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 8: the gun out of the drawer. He points it at me.

1258
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 8: I'm like, yo, chill, Son, that she got you know

1259
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 8: what I mean, she got bullets. And he's like, I'm

1260
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 8: just playing with you, my nigga. I ain't head, I'm

1261
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 8: just playing. Calm down. I'm like, chill, don't point guns

1262
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 8: at people, my nigga.

1263
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 3: Chill.

1264
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 7: So did my man come back with on the posters.

1265
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 8: He's like, yo, here he put the posters down to

1266
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 8: half point the gun at him, like, YO, give me

1267
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 8: them posters, nigga.

1268
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 9: By mistake, they got to go. They got to yo.

1269
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 7: You think, my nigga. Everything went in slow motion after.

1270
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: That, literally literally.

1271
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 7: Everything turned misty and went slow motion.

1272
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 8: I remember literally like I don't know why that happens,

1273
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 8: but I guess in the heat of moments like that.

1274
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 8: Just so Half drops the gun like he we both like,

1275
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 8: oh Ship, what the fuck? Like being shocked? You know,

1276
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 8: what I mean, have boats out? The boats out, the door,

1277
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 8: runs downstairs like, oh ship, I'm out.

1278
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 7: So I'm like, oh, you're not leaving me in here.

1279
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 3: I start tasting.

1280
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 10: I start chasing behind.

1281
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: Him, like wait, my dumb man one, did you at

1282
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: least take the poster because that day are so supposed to.

1283
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 10: I wasn't even thinking about no more at that point.

1284
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 3: Oh, you're not hard to sit on eBay right now.

1285
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 3: I was like, not, you're trying to get low.

1286
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 7: He trying to get the fuck out of it at

1287
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 7: that point.

1288
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 8: So half ran out the door, knocked d M C

1289
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 8: damn m running was coming in the building, knocked the

1290
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 8: One of the niggas fell on the floor. I don't

1291
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 8: remember who because he busted. He like ran out and

1292
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 8: busted through the door.

1293
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 3: So one of them fell down. We and we're running

1294
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 3: up the block and crazy way to meet.

1295
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 8: By the way, I heard somebody screaming behind me. Stop

1296
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 8: them kids, Yo, stop them kids.

1297
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 3: So I'm like, look, and it's sucking. At least he is.

1298
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 11: Chasing Oh god, so he's chasing us.

1299
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: Oh he cheaps chasing me.

1300
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 10: I'm like, yo, this is chasing us.

1301
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 7: So we get down to Houston, right we get down

1302
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 7: to the house and have stop have his.

1303
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 8: Wild like, Yo, son, it was a mistake. I didn't

1304
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 8: mean to do that. It was a mistake. I'm like,

1305
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 8: you cal him down. Cal him down, my nigga, dona

1306
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 8: al right, this chill relaxed. He's wounding though. He's like

1307
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 8: ter because he didn't mean to do that. Ship like

1308
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. So he's woulding. I'm trying

1309
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 8: to get him to calm down. And I see a D.

1310
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 8: I see a detective call pull up a mall car.

1311
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 8: You know, we know what the DS look like. So

1312
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 8: I've seen the D. I said, oh, I said, you

1313
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 8: have till the jeesus there because have it screaming like

1314
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 8: I ain't mean to shoot him, I ain't chips on

1315
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 8: the Z right here, chill, my nigga. So they see

1316
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 8: him bugging, so they stopped the car. They get out,

1317
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 8: they're like, Yo's what's going on. He's like, Yo, I

1318
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 8: didn't mean to do it. I didn't mean to do it.

1319
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 8: I'm like, oh my god, here come alist yo. Get

1320
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 8: the They put the handcuffs on half because half is

1321
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 8: sitting there basically confessing.

1322
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 3: He's like, I didn't mean to do it. It was

1323
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 3: a mistake. They're like, oh no, it's gonna be all right.

1324
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 3: Put your hand body back. Lord. I'm like, oh my god. Man.

1325
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 8: So they let me and my man Prince a d

1326
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 8: that was our DJ at the time. They let us go,

1327
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:39,919
Speaker 8: took half. I go home, go to sleep right, wake

1328
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 8: up the next morning, and go to school. My mom's

1329
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 8: always got w b LS playing on the clock radio

1330
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 8: in the morning. So I heard on the radio they like, uh,

1331
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 8: yesterday there was a shooting in this jam office over

1332
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 8: contracts the artist some artists. Uh they wouldn't sign the

1333
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,439
Speaker 8: artist or the artist shot somebody in the office. That's

1334
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 8: what they said on the radio. So I'm sitting there

1335
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 8: listen to it. I didn't even tell my mom putting

1336
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 8: two and two together. I don't even know what's going on.

1337
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 8: So when I heard that, I was like, I was like,

1338
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 8: oh my god. So now like reality is hitting me

1339
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 8: because I'm just waking up and I'm like, it's a

1340
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 8: new day right now. I'm like, Reality's hit me. What

1341
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 8: just happened yesterday? So now my brain kicks in the

1342
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 8: how we're gonna get out of this mold?

1343
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying?

1344
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 8: And I'm like all right, and right away I just

1345
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 8: came out with a story. All right, we thought it

1346
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 8: was a lighter.

1347
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 10: In the village downtown.

1348
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 8: They got the little lighters at the smoke shops, little

1349
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 8: gun lighters, Razelle used. So I'm like, yo, and my mom,

1350
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 8: I'm like, all right, we got to think of something quick.

1351
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 8: So right away, I'm like, yo, we thought we found

1352
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 8: it outside. We thought it was a lighter. We was

1353
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 8: playing with it and shit went off, you know what

1354
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 8: I'm saying. So you know, I had to go to

1355
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 8: the hospital kick it with the homie. They got hit

1356
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 8: and you know, let him know, like, listen, man, you

1357
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 8: know that was an accident. Man, you know what I'm saying.

1358
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 8: You guys to this story. You know what I'm saying, Like,

1359
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 8: otherwise it's gonna be bad for half. Like he was like,

1360
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 8: all right, you know what I'm saying. He looked out,

1361
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, because you know it was

1362
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 8: it was a terrible mistake.

1363
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 3: But where a bullet goull man.

1364
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 7: Stomach after So yeah, that that that craziness happened.

1365
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 3: Y'all did not get signed to death jam presum nah?

1366
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 8: Then uh like or I leave about this like later,

1367
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 8: like now, But Nikki d remember.

1368
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 3: That everything because she was there at the office, right.

1369
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, And after that she would always remind me. She

1370
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 8: would always remind me about that day. She'd be like, Yo, y'all,

1371
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 8: little niggas is bugged the fuck out. Ya, what's wrong

1372
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 8: with y'all? The cat got shot? He survived, Like, yeah,

1373
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 8: he was good man, you know. Fortunately, you know, everything

1374
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 8: worked out. And that's a crazy story he'll tell for

1375
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 8: the rest of his life. It's definitely a crazy story though. Man,

1376
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 8: after that Death Jam had security. You couldn't even walk

1377
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 8: in the building anymore.

1378
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, because when I went to Jam,

1379
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: it was like freaking yeah, exactly.

1380
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 3: So how long is it till Fourth and Broadway comes

1381
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 3: in the picture?

1382
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 8: Fourth from Broadway is a company on the record company

1383
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 8: on island Death Jam, you know. So right after that,

1384
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:28,439
Speaker 8: we uh, you know, after everything with that Death Jam ship,

1385
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 8: we uh, you know, we continue to make demos and

1386
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 8: just Q tip had brought us like into the industry,

1387
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 8: so we started meeting different people and finding out. We

1388
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,959
Speaker 8: started finding out about industry parties, you know what I'm saying,

1389
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 8: because they would tell us there was a party over here, Tonight,

1390
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 8: Party of It Tonight. So we started being in the

1391
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 8: loop of all the industry parties at that point, UH

1392
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 8: talent shows. Kick Capri would do these talent shows or

1393
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 8: whoever got the best verse a song, you get one

1394
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 8: hundred dollars. We won one of those one night. We

1395
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 8: were just going around different functions New York City, talent shows,

1396
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 8: different party, industry parties, and a homie from a high school, Derek,

1397
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 8: that put us together. That kid that was in my

1398
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 8: photography class. His moms used to work for w ball

1399
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 8: Les and she was like cool with Puff, so he

1400
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 8: arranged the meeting with us in Puff. So we got

1401
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 8: real cool with Puff right away, and Puff would invite

1402
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 8: us to all his parties he was that's when he

1403
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 8: was a club promoter at that time, heavy doing club promotion,

1404
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 8: and we used to go to all of the Puff parties,

1405
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, at the building the Red Zone.

1406
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 8: So we started really being at all the functions and

1407
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 8: hanging out and people started knowing us, you know what

1408
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 8: I mean.

1409
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 7: And Maddy c got a whold of our demo.

1410
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 3: Mattie see from the source. Yeah, he got a.

1411
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 8: Whold of our demo and he put us in the

1412
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 8: Unsigned Hype column that he did. And because of the

1413
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 8: Unsigned Hype column and Maddie See's other homeboy Bones alone, yep,

1414
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 8: they was like they found interest.

1415
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 7: In us from that, and they was like, Yo, we

1416
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 7: want to have a meeting with y'all.

1417
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 8: Bones brought us up there, Maddie and we met Cookie

1418
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 8: Gonzales and uh we met uh Chris Blackwell, you know

1419
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 8: what I mean. So they brought us in to meet Chris.

1420
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 8: We sat down with Chris. Chris was an interesting dude.

1421
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was that like?

1422
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 7: Because Chris is like that was very interesting.

1423
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 8: He was sitting there rolling up some hash and I

1424
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 8: ain't I've never seen hash before.

1425
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 7: He had a big roll of black hash and I'm like, Yo,

1426
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 7: what is that? It's hash? Smoke it. So I'm like

1427
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 7: all right. He was like, want to try it.

1428
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 8: I'm like, hell yeah, were smoking hash with Chris Blackwell

1429
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 8: in the office.

1430
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 7: He's like, y'all, I really like y'all, man, I want

1431
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 7: to sign y'all up.

1432
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Do it deal with y'all?

1433
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: Did he ever interject I've never met Chris Blackwell without

1434
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: at least him interjecting Bob Marley's story.

1435
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 7: I'm sure he did.

1436
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 8: I'm sure he did, especially when we were smoking, you

1437
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 8: know what I mean, he probably said something like that.

1438
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 8: But at this time, you know, they had rock him,

1439
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 8: every being rock him before, not at this time, but

1440
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 8: they had in the past every being rock Him and

1441
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 8: the newer, more updated artists on fourth from Bro excellent

1442
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 8: was mop you know what I mean. They had a

1443
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 8: song called the Hill that's real. Uh And how about

1444
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 8: some hollcore that was on fourth from Bro. At this

1445
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 8: time when Chris is signing us, so he offered us

1446
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 8: a deal. He was like, hell, yeah, we want that.

1447
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 8: We're taking it, you know what I mean. So we

1448
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 8: did the deal with Alan and basically it was the

1449
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,439
Speaker 8: same thing. He ain't tried to tell us what to do.

1450
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:45,439
Speaker 8: They basically just.

1451
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 7: I mean Cookie and Bones was like, you know the.

1452
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 3: Bones, that's dope. No Bones know us.

1453
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 7: Like he started hanging out with us and seeing how

1454
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 7: we are.

1455
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 3: He like, just leave.

1456
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 7: Let them niggas do them. They know what they're doing

1457
01:07:59,040 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 7: and they know what they want.

1458
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 9: Like, you know what I mean, how old are you doing?

1459
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 9: At this point?

1460
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 7: We're like sixteen?

1461
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 9: Are you going to school still?

1462
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 3: And were in high school?

1463
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 8: But at this point it's like I'm about to drop

1464
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 8: out because now I'm one day, I'm like sleeping in

1465
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 8: the crib. My mom's wake me up, like I'm gonna

1466
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 8: be late for school. I woke up, I said, Mom,

1467
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 8: I'm not going to school.

1468
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 9: And how did she take that?

1469
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 3: She was like, oh, she was like okay, what she left.

1470
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 5: And then when she came back from work and she

1471
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 5: thought about it, she said something, are you going to

1472
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 5: pay some risks?

1473
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 8: She just she was just like okay, because she's I

1474
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 8: guess she's seen what I was doing with my career,

1475
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 8: you know what I mean.

1476
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 3: She was helping me, like do it.

1477
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 9: You don't have any resistance in your family.

1478
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 3: Nah, not with like, you know, I come from an

1479
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 3: entertainment family, so.

1480
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 5: They like they was encouraging the family trade, right, but

1481
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 5: it's still hip hop, so you know, it's so different.

1482
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 8: It's definitely different. So they my mom was scared. She

1483
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 8: was like apprehensive. When Chris wanted to sign us and

1484
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 8: he actually did some kind of thing where we didn't

1485
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 8: need our parents consent. Wow, that pissed my mom's off.

1486
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 8: She was like, all that, he's a piece of ship.

1487
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 8: He did say, went around our backs and signed y'all.

1488
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 3: Without uh.

1489
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 7: But we was like, ma, chill man, you know what

1490
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 7: I'm saying.

1491
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 9: So the new edition story ain't happening to y'all.

1492
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 7: Y'all used to manage us, took.

1493
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 9: And then how do they go behind her?

1494
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 7: That's crazy at this time, she's managing us for a minute.

1495
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 3: And then we fired her because.

1496
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 8: Because she was like, we did the talent show right before,

1497
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 8: right before we got signed the fourth row. We did

1498
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 8: the talent show. It was like a New York City

1499
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 8: some towns show New York you used to do all

1500
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 8: the time. And we we had through like auditions, rehearsals

1501
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 8: or whatever it is, and we're going through our song

1502
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 8: and our song got curses in it.

1503
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 3: The chorus of the song go oh.

1504
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 8: Ship, here we go, Yo, oh Ship, here we go.

1505
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 7: That's the whole chorus, you know what I'm saying. So

1506
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 7: we put it on.

1507
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 8: We like doing our ship and they're like, oh stopped

1508
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 8: the music stopping. They was like, yo, you can't curse

1509
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 8: in this talent show. We're like what they like, you

1510
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 8: can't curse you you have to change the curses or

1511
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 8: doing the song. We're like, we're not changing nothing, man,

1512
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 8: We're not doing this man. Fuck your show and we

1513
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 8: we walked up. My mom was like, what's wrong with y'all?

1514
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 8: So she sat us down like right after that, she

1515
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 8: was like, you can't do that. You can't you can't

1516
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 8: disrespect people like that. You just can't take the curses out.

1517
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 8: We was like, yo, listen, we're gonna stick to what

1518
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 8: we do.

1519
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1520
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 8: We don't want nobody trying to change us. We was

1521
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 8: hard headed, like you know what I mean.

1522
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 3: Have pridect. I gotta say.

1523
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: Three times I've heard you easily walk away from some

1524
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 1: shit that could sort.

1525
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 3: Of maybe sort of change your life.

1526
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 1: What I've never heard nihilism to this level where it's

1527
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: just like I'm out, I can walk away.

1528
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 8: What is it in you? Like, what's in your head

1529
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 8: that just be like all right, I walk away. I

1530
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 8: think we just we believed in what we were doing

1531
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 8: so much, like like I said, it was like a

1532
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 8: vibe that we had. We could just feel it. It

1533
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 8: was gonna work and nothing was gonna stop it. It

1534
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 8: was just a feeling, you know what I'm saying. Like

1535
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 8: we was like, oh, we got some shit. He don't

1536
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 8: know it, she don't know it. None of these people

1537
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 8: don't know what they talking about.

1538
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, we got some.

1539
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 8: Shit because usually people by this point, people will either

1540
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 8: have a side meeting.

1541
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe we can meet him at the fifty yard line.

1542
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: Let's compromise a little bit, you know what they want.

1543
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 7: And then you know, now we were really we were

1544
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 7: really hard headed.

1545
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 3: You were just like, oh.

1546
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 7: Really, we were really just stuck on what we were doing.

1547
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,480
Speaker 7: Tunnel vision. We wasn't trying to hear nobody.

1548
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 8: We had something that didn't really exist, like you know

1549
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 8: what I'm saying.

1550
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 7: It was like the vibe that we had, you know, just.

1551
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 8: The the energy and the words and the style, the slang,

1552
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 8: everything was just it wasn't nothing like that, you know

1553
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. And it was just like an changing

1554
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 8: of the guard at that time almost because you know,

1555
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 8: it was like you had the.

1556
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 7: Rock cams and the big daddy canes.

1557
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 8: And you know, the sent knees like when the Symphony

1558
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 8: came out, like that was what was popping when we

1559
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 8: was learning how to do rap. And then once we

1560
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 8: started getting in the studio, we started catching on how

1561
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 8: this ship works.

1562
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 7: And we was like, oh, we got this ship, Like

1563
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 7: we know how to do this ship.

1564
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 8: Right, we thought we did, you know what I'm saying,

1565
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 8: but it just it just made our minds like, oh,

1566
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,719
Speaker 8: this is we want some new ship. Were a new generation.

1567
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 8: These motherfuckers don't know what they talking about. We got

1568
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 8: some ship.

1569
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 7: We're not trying to hear nobody, so that wasson. It

1570
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 7: was a fucked up attitude to have. But you know

1571
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 7: what I'm saying. So my mom was like, yo, you

1572
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 7: can't do that.

1573
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 8: So we was like, listen, if you if you're not

1574
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 8: gonna follow what we're saying and believe in us to

1575
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 8: the maximum and fuck everybody else, then we can't work with.

1576
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 3: You no more.

1577
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 8: Mom get sixteen and she was like she was like

1578
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 8: all right, She was like all right, cool. See when

1579
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 8: I get home, she was like, she was like, that's

1580
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 8: a very bad attitude to have. You know what I mean,

1581
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 8: that was a very bad attitude to have. You're not

1582
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 8: going to get fun life with that attitude. She gave

1583
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 8: me the whole spiel of that whole thing, but we

1584
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 8: wasn't trying.

1585
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 3: To hear it.

1586
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 8: So it's like when you fire your moms, what happens

1587
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 8: when you get home?

1588
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:10,759
Speaker 3: Like is it just normal?

1589
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 6: Like? Right?

1590
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 8: I mean at that time, I wasn't I was kind

1591
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:19,959
Speaker 8: of I wasn't going home anymore.

1592
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 3: I was at the out the house already, you know

1593
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

1594
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 8: I would stay at half crib, I would stay at

1595
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,440
Speaker 8: my grandmother crib. I would pop up my mom's crib sometimes.

1596
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 8: Like we were just bouncing everywhere. I was staying in

1597
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 8: the in the Bronx with my homie from school, staying

1598
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 8: in Brooklyn with my homie Illog from school.

1599
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 7: You know what I mean.

1600
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 3: We were just everywhere.

1601
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 8: Man were young, active, trying to get on like you

1602
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 8: know what I mean. I wasn't thinking, but I adn't

1603
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 8: want to be in the house with my mom's Like

1604
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, I'm out of here. We're

1605
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 8: going to Coney Allen, we popping, we stay in the weekend.

1606
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 8: We was just having fun and doing what we're doing

1607
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,560
Speaker 8: and creating ourselves.

1608
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 1: So even even though Juvenile didn't, Juvenile Hell didn't necessarily

1609
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: do the numbers. I mean it did get you guys,

1610
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: so notice amongst industry people.

1611
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 8: So check this out. Our arrogant asshole attitude. Right, That's

1612
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 8: why that album came out like and underperformed, and it

1613
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 8: was like not really, we didn't put our heart in soul.

1614
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 8: We didn't put our We didn't understand that this ship

1615
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 8: is not a joke, Like you can't just do whatever

1616
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 8: and people supposed to kiss your ass and like it.

1617
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 8: You got to make timeless, you got to make some

1618
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 8: ship that's standing and test the time.

1619
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 7: And we didn't understand that.

1620
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 8: We was very arrogant. We was very you know, cocky

1621
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 8: on some bullshit. And that's why that product came out.

1622
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 8: And then a couple of months later, Naves dropped Illmatic

1623
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 8: that brought us down to reality.

1624
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 3: Have you met Naves before?

1625
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 8: Like to on the block together. We're all trying to

1626
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 8: get on at the same time, you know what I mean.

1627
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 8: We're all trying to get on. Nas had Love at

1628
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 8: the Barbecue. He had the song on the Zebra soundtrack

1629
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 8: the halftime, So this is all at the same time.

1630
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 8: While we're doing Juvenile Hell, Nas had the Zebra halftime

1631
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 8: ship and you.

1632
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

1633
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 8: And we go off on a little promo run and

1634
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 8: we up we're doing an in store one day in DC.

1635
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 8: We're doing an instore for Juvenile Hell, and we walk

1636
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 8: into the instore and Illmatic is playing. We never heard

1637
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 8: it before. So we listen, we're sitting there like this.

1638
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 8: We look at each other like you hit the ship.

1639
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 8: We're like, oh ship, yeah.

1640
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 3: Packed this ship up. Were like, yo, pack this ship up.

1641
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 7: Man.

1642
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 8: We went about this all wrong, you know what I'm saying.

1643
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 8: And that brought us down to reality. Basically, that gave

1644
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:54,799
Speaker 8: us that was a reality.

1645
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 3: Good thing because that was a reality.

1646
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,600
Speaker 8: It was right point, you know what I mean. But

1647
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 8: you know, right right then, we've seen it. We've seen

1648
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 8: it before before we even got dropped. We already knew,

1649
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 8: oh all right, we fucked up, you know what I'm saying,

1650
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 8: because we can hear the difference.

1651
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 7: We can hear it. There was a big difference.

1652
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,679
Speaker 8: Between the you know, the thought that was put into

1653
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 8: making the music, you know what I'm saying, The thought

1654
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 8: that was put into making writing the lyrics, making the beats.

1655
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 8: He put some serious thought into that, and we didn't.

1656
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 8: We were just fucking around being little dumb ass kids

1657
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,679
Speaker 8: like you know what I'm saying, like feeling ourselves.

1658
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 7: Yeah we got a wrap deal, Yeah I got gold tooth.

1659
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know what I'm saying.

1660
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: So how far like when did suddenly become like okay,

1661
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: this serious business so we got a lot of people

1662
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: still feel as though that's your first record.

1663
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:48,839
Speaker 3: When we got dropped.

1664
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 8: That's when when we heard the ill Matic Alum and

1665
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 8: then we got dropped maybe a couple of weeks later

1666
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 8: or whatever whatever.

1667
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 3: We were just like in the sunken place.

1668
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 8: It was like, we gotta get the funk out of here, Yo,

1669
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 8: we gotta. We was like, no, no, this can't happen.

1670
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 7: You know.

1671
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: So you be making a second album and then.

1672
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 7: Yo, our hearts was broken. You know what I'm saying.

1673
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 8: Because we was like, Yo, this is what we want

1674
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 8: to do with our life. We're not playing with this ship.

1675
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 8: We just went about it the wrong way. We had

1676
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 8: the wrong attitude, you know what I'm saying.

1677
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 7: So we was like hold hold no, It's like we

1678
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 7: was like no, you know what I'm saying, Like, we

1679
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 7: gotta we gotta show people who we are.

1680
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 8: We gotta tell our story the right way. We gotta

1681
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 8: put like I said, put thought and put meaning and

1682
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 8: put your soul, put your heart into the music, like

1683
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, tell your story, man, like

1684
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying.

1685
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 3: So we was just.

1686
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,759
Speaker 8: We went in and we had that attitude like yo, listen,

1687
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 8: this is what we want to do for our rest

1688
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 8: of our life.

1689
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 3: We just got dropped.

1690
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:55,600
Speaker 8: We feel like the biggest losers ever were going to

1691
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 8: the hood.

1692
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 7: Everybody laughing on us on the lower end.

1693
01:17:58,479 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 3: Na just drop.

1694
01:17:59,080 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 10: The man.

1695
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 8: Just now was looking at us like like you know

1696
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 8: what I'm saying, Like they laughing at us on the low.

1697
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 8: So we we like went in regroup and we had

1698
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 8: the attitude like you know, we're not We're not gonna

1699
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 8: this ain't gonna happen again.

1700
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

1701
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 8: One for sure, this is never gonna happen again, you

1702
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. And so did you have the

1703
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 8: the well, I know that at that point, uh Matt

1704
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 8: started working at loud correct Uh yeah, right or right

1705
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 8: around that time, Matt got a job at loud Loud.

1706
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 8: They was just like a cubicle inside the r c

1707
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,640
Speaker 8: A office, right, They had pm D I think his

1708
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 8: first solo album. Yeah, they had the Alcoholics and they

1709
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 8: had just signed Wu Tang you know what I'm saying.

1710
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 7: So, uh yeah, we we regrouped after that with that mentality.

1711
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 8: We was like, oh hell no, that's when we really

1712
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 8: started going in making our own beats. That's when I

1713
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 8: was like, I was teaching half, you know what I mean,

1714
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 8: during that time the juvenile hell and transitioning over to

1715
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,560
Speaker 8: making this new demo. I was teaching half how to

1716
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 8: do the beasts and shit, and he was getting nice

1717
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 8: with it. So at first it was like I would

1718
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 8: make a baseline or some of some drums or something

1719
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 8: and then have her come add some shit to it,

1720
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 8: you know what i mean, and I'd.

1721
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 7: Be like, yo, yo, let me add, let me add something,

1722
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 7: let me change something. They'd be like, oh yeah, right,

1723
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 7: let me ask. So that that's how it was at first.

1724
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,480
Speaker 3: After a while, I started.

1725
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 8: Listening and looking and have started looking possessed, Like you

1726
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 8: could just see it. He was fucking possessed, you know

1727
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 8: what I'm saying, And you could hear it. So I'm like,

1728
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 8: after a while, I was like, I don't even want

1729
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 8: to bother him, you know what I'm saying. Like I

1730
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 8: didn't want to be like, yo, let me add because

1731
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 8: he was in his groove, like you know what I'm saying.

1732
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 8: So I was like, let me just let him work,

1733
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, and I'll just sitting he

1734
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 8: him right to run, you know what I'm saying, so

1735
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 8: it got like that. And plus he was hogging it

1736
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 8: a little something too. He was definitely hogging you know

1737
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. He was like, holdo, hold up, said

1738
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 8: hold on, hold up, Uh Yo, come on, let me

1739
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 8: add you let hold on hold up.

1740
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 7: After a while, I'm like, all right, go ahead, man,

1741
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying.

1742
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:06,560
Speaker 8: I'm gonna just I'm gonna go to store get a

1743
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 8: forty I'll be right back, come back to beat is done,

1744
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 8: and then I just write around to it. But then

1745
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 8: I also seen that. Have I seen Havoc become Havoc?

1746
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 8: I seen it, you know what I mean. I've seen

1747
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 8: it in his face. I heard it in the music.

1748
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 8: I just seen it look in his face while he

1749
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 8: was sitting there making the bees. I was like, wow,

1750
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 8: he's really he's really tapped in right now, like you

1751
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying.

1752
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 3: So that's how that happened.

1753
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 8: And you know, Maddy brought us over to Steve.

1754
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 7: You heard our demos. He was like, Yo, yeah, motherfuckers,

1755
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 7: I got some shit now, I got a new job

1756
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 7: over here.

1757
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 8: I'm gonna bring I'm gonna bring you up to the office.

1758
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 8: Meet Steve Rifkin Ba boom Steve. He played music for Steve.

1759
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 8: Steve was like, y'all, I love it. He's like, I

1760
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 8: want to sign y'all, you know what I'm saying. But

1761
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 8: at the same time, we hanging out with Puff every day.

1762
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 8: So Puff is telling us about this new company that

1763
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 8: he wants to start called bad Boy, and he's like, yo,

1764
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 8: I want to I want you to be the first artists.

1765
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,560
Speaker 3: I want to sign y'all the bad Boy WHOA.

1766
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 8: So we like, we hanging with Puff every night, you

1767
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying at the clubs, he like, you

1768
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 8: want to sign us?

1769
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 7: Steve want to sign us. So we now now we're

1770
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 7: telling them, let's get some.

1771
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 8: Paperwork videos in those videos. Yeah, yeah, okay, I get

1772
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 8: it in the video. So basically, the deal that Steve

1773
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 8: offered us basically was more money.

1774
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 7: And that's the only reason why we took to Steve.

1775
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 5: What was the trade off, like, because usually with those

1776
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 5: things more money but less control power and something.

1777
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 8: Nah, it was it was it wasn't. It wasn't actually

1778
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 8: any trade off. I guess trade off was.

1779
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 3: The trade off was they probably got the key.

1780
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 8: They got to Maybe the trade off was also we

1781
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 8: didn't have to do all the glossyat other ship. Like

1782
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, that was one good trade off,

1783
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 8: Like you know what I mean. But Puff had a vision,

1784
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 8: he had a vision for this company, and he wanted

1785
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 8: us to be the first artist on bad Boy. But

1786
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 8: Steve just so happened to offer us maybe like ten

1787
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 8: thousand dollars more than where Puff was offering.

1788
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 3: So we we just went with the Steve deal.

1789
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 8: Sou Steve was talking like, yo, listen, I'll give you

1790
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 8: all this deal to do what I want. It sounded

1791
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 8: like you already got your game mastered. Just do what

1792
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 8: I'll do, you know.

1793
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 3: What I'm saying.

1794
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 8: So we took the Loud deal, and you know, we

1795
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 8: started working on the Infamous album, you know what I'm saying.

1796
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 8: And you know, shout out to Mattie c. You know,

1797
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 8: shout out to Bones Malone, you know, Cookie Gonzales and

1798
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 8: you know Chris Blackwell and everybody that helped us out

1799
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 8: in the beginning and got us to that point, you

1800
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 8: know what I mean, where Steve Risker wanted to sign us.

1801
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 4: How did Q tip come back into the fold working

1802
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 4: working with y'all on the Infamous So.

1803
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 8: After we had you know, it was like eighty percent

1804
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 8: probably done, maybe sixty percent done maybe with the album,

1805
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 8: we was like, yo, let's call Tip. We want some beats.

1806
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 8: We want some beats fro Tip. So we reached out

1807
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 8: the Tip.

1808
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:05,839
Speaker 7: Uh.

1809
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 8: He came and picked us up and he brought us

1810
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 8: his Crible Linden and uh, he was basically just played

1811
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 8: us mad records. He was like, tell me when you

1812
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 8: hear something you like, you know what I mean. So

1813
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 8: he was playing Mad Patresse Russian and he was playing

1814
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 8: all kind of ship that we so I think it

1815
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 8: was the Patris Russian one.

1816
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 7: With that LL did the song Pink Cookies in the

1817
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 7: plastic Bag.

1818
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 3: That's alright with me, yeah.

1819
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 8: So uh so, uh, he plays us that record and

1820
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 8: right away I recognized it from LL song.

1821
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1822
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 8: But in my mind I was like, Yo, let's make

1823
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 8: a new Let's make a different version. Let's use that

1824
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 8: beat and make a different version the.

1825
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 3: Right way, you know what I'm saying.

1826
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 8: So uh, we picked a bunch of beats from him

1827
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 8: and we did some songs and basically we finished the

1828
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 8: album up. And when the album was done, we brought

1829
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 8: Qute to back in the studio to tweak.

1830
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:58,959
Speaker 3: Up the mixes.

1831
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 8: Like you know what I'm saying, Like because he was

1832
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 8: nice with Dad, Like you know what I'm saying, fix

1833
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 8: the sounds here and there, do little things here and there,

1834
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 8: touch the knobs and shit, you know what I'm saying.

1835
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 8: And he basically like took what we did and like

1836
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 8: made it sound good. Like you know what I'm saying.

1837
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 8: Hooked us up with the good mix engineer is you

1838
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. So that was that was really

1839
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 8: good that we was able to work with him at

1840
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 8: that point.

1841
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Where you're listening to the

1842
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 3: quest of Supreme, we're here.

1843
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 1: We are a Prodigy of Mob Deep and Kathy Ianderley,

1844
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 1: journalists and co author of Prodigy's latest book, Commion Sary Kitchen,

1845
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 1: My infamous prison cookbook. Okay, I have to say that,

1846
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: you know the glory of hip hop and being alive

1847
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: doing the classic, doing the Renaissance and the classic period

1848
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 1: and all the periods of hip hop is you know

1849
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: when a song stops you in your tracks, yo, I

1850
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 1: will say. And the thing is, I don't think anyone

1851
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 1: is really properly put in context.

1852
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 3: Why shook ones? It's so culturally important? All right?

1853
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: Take it take it for someone shelter, someone sheltered like

1854
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 1: me that like, just listen to hip hop to really

1855
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: find out what's going out there, you know what I'm saying,

1856
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm one of the I'm one of the dudes

1857
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: that the marketing people of def jam would have loved,

1858
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: because like when Onyx came out, I was like, Yo, this.

1859
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 3: Is real hardcore. Or like when Niggas for.

1860
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 8: Life came out, that was like, Yo, you were n

1861
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 8: w A saying this is so but I didn't realize

1862
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,799
Speaker 8: that it was so over the top hardcore.

1863
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 3: Its cartoonish. It was cartoonish.

1864
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: And when I heard shook ones they did, I feel

1865
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 1: like if if Robert de Niro and al Pacino were

1866
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 1: making hip hop.

1867
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 3: That's what it would be.

1868
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 1: Well, because the glory and Robert de Niro on al

1869
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: Pacino's work is the fact that they're so dead seating.

1870
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah it's dead pan.

1871
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:04,839
Speaker 1: You're more scared of someone that's silent and just deadpan

1872
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: as opposed to like someone's cartooning over the top. Then

1873
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 1: I don't take them serious. I'm like, oh, your your

1874
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 1: bark's worst thing, your bite, You're just being a cartoon.

1875
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 1: But the fact that they were saying the shit they

1876
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 1: were saying and such so deadpan about it. And too

1877
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 1: it was the visuals too, like the visual like that video, honest,

1878
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: see the video until later so I heard the song.

1879
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 1: It's just like yo, I saw we.

1880
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 3: Saw the video first. I saw the video first, and

1881
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 3: so for us.

1882
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:35,719
Speaker 4: It was it was seeing the video and literally probably

1883
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 4: about a month after the video came out, I remember

1884
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 4: kids in my school come my homies had the Hennessy jerseys.

1885
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:45,759
Speaker 3: Straight up. But yeah, it was something.

1886
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:47,719
Speaker 4: It was just something that came through in that video

1887
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 4: that was like, I mean, being in the South, even

1888
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,600
Speaker 4: though y'all were in New York, guys, that was just

1889
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 4: something I don't know, that was just.

1890
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: That was more New York to me, even any Wu

1891
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:04,640
Speaker 1: Tang product any like to me, even even even on

1892
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 1: even on New York, New York, where like if you

1893
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 1: listen to the very h the first twenty seconds, but

1894
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 1: dark pounds New York, New York. I mean they're basically

1895
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:18,600
Speaker 1: mocking what.

1896
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 3: You know.

1897
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: Like so for me, that's like lightning in a bottle

1898
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 1: you can't even capture. Like I guess the theme of

1899
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 1: Quest of Supreme is that whenever like these these monumentals

1900
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: hip hop moments happened. It's always an afterthought, like, yeah,

1901
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 1: we made this in like five minutes. What was the

1902
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: process behind shook ones or at that part too?

1903
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 4: It was part yeah because it was part one first,

1904
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 4: I had the master single with one on Yeah.

1905
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 3: Like why wasn't that push And I don't know it

1906
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 3: just it just happened the way it happened. I don't

1907
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 3: even know.

1908
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 8: Man, we made Paul one and uh I think we

1909
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 8: made we might have made they both of them around

1910
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 8: the same time. And then we put the part one

1911
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 8: out first, put the second one out and.

1912
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 7: Uh yeah, like we shock happened like that.

1913
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,599
Speaker 1: We ain't shocked that at at it's the reception.

1914
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 8: And you know, every time we would make songs, this

1915
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 8: is how we would test our music. We'd be outside

1916
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 8: on the block with everybody. You know what I'm saying.

1917
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 8: Queensbridge is like I said, ninety six buildings is big.

1918
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 8: It's a big projects, a lot of people outside. Like

1919
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 8: we had a lot of friends, like you know what

1920
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 8: I mean, you know Brooklyn hanging out in Brooklyn and Bronx,

1921
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 8: same thing. We would hang out with all our friends

1922
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:37,600
Speaker 8: and we would play our music and we want to

1923
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 8: see how people react to it, like you know what

1924
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:39,679
Speaker 8: I'm saying.

1925
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 3: So you know what I'm saying. We and we got you.

1926
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 8: Know, our PIDs, people like Knaves spitting crazy, you know

1927
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 8: what I mean, people like Cormega was spitting crazy like

1928
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 8: it was.

1929
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:51,759
Speaker 3: A lot of people that was dope.

1930
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 8: The whole Juice Crew thing, the Symphony like that, that

1931
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 8: was like shit that we that was around us.

1932
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 3: So it was like, you know, we were.

1933
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 8: Trying to spit that level of shit. These are the

1934
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 8: people that we had to deal with. These are people

1935
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,440
Speaker 8: that are gonna laugh with us if we make some bullshit,

1936
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:10,879
Speaker 8: like you know what I mean, if we talking some bullshit,

1937
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 8: if we talking some shit that's not true, like you

1938
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, if we like, we had to

1939
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 8: deal with people like you know what I'm saying. And

1940
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 8: so that's how we would test a lot of our music.

1941
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 8: We would play it outside on the block, see how

1942
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 8: people react to it, and we would see how friends,

1943
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 8: our friends would be like, oh, shit's fire, you'll bring

1944
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 8: that shit back, You'll bring that shit back. And we

1945
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 8: would walk around different blocks in the hood and just

1946
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 8: like I said, take it to Brooklyn, take your head,

1947
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 8: take it dead. See how everybody feeling it, and that's

1948
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:36,719
Speaker 8: how we would know, oh, we got.

1949
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 3: Something, you know what I'm saying.

1950
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 8: If motherfuckers didn't react and we were like, we can't

1951
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 8: fuck with that, But if they reacted, we knew we

1952
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 8: had something.

1953
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 7: So we did the same thing. We shook ones.

1954
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 3: You know.

1955
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 7: Most of the songs was like that.

1956
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1957
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 8: We would test it out on the block and see

1958
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 8: how people would react, and then we.

1959
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 7: Were like, all right, we got one. Put that out,

1960
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying.

1961
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 1: I think another part of the formula that really made

1962
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 1: that album work is the fact that the musical backdrop

1963
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: it was like so it wasn't ass hardcore, like even

1964
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 1: for like up North Trip, Like I remember my uncle

1965
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: used to always that came from a Spinner's record, Spinners eight,

1966
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 1: So you used to always play the spinners I'm tired

1967
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 1: of living on his eight track, right, So that's how

1968
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,719
Speaker 1: I always remembered it. But now it's like I meant,

1969
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: even though the subject matter that song was more like

1970
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: a it's kind of like a fuck my friends, like

1971
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:33,600
Speaker 1: I can only trust me sort of things, Like I

1972
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 1: always had happy memories of being in my uncle Junie's

1973
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: card listening to that song, but then like y'all just

1974
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 1: took it and just made it into like yeah.

1975
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 4: It was like a position of like smooth like soothing

1976
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 4: sounds and then like the most murderous shit on top

1977
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 4: of it, like lyrically even like drink record like drink

1978
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 4: a Way to Pain, Like that's like a happy ass hit.

1979
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 3: On the song.

1980
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 4: But then right then y'all slow it down and like

1981
01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 4: spit that shit over it.

1982
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 3: It becomes something to you know, we caught our drift

1983
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 3: we called a drift.

1984
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 8: We was on it, like you know what I mean,

1985
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 8: and once we locked in, that was it.

1986
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 3: We wasn't. We was like, all right, we got it,

1987
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 3: we got it.

1988
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,639
Speaker 8: Let's go like you know what I'm saying, we get

1989
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 8: in the reaction that we want from people.

1990
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 1: Now, So what is life like now that the album

1991
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 1: is taken off? I mean, y'all got four and a

1992
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 1: half mics in the source. I'm one of those people

1993
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 1: that actually believe that four and a half mics is

1994
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 1: better than a five because when you when you, I mean, yeah,

1995
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 1: you can have a five, but then it becomes a burden.

1996
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: Like I feel like for Nas that five is a

1997
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 1: burden on him because it's like everybody's always going to say, well,

1998
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 1: in the beginning of nineteen ninety four, this is when

1999
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 1: you know they kind of I feel like four and

2000
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 1: a half is like the highest accolade you can get

2001
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 1: where you don't get that much jealousy or scrutiny from

2002
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 1: your peers or whatever.

2003
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 3: I see.

2004
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 1: Definitely, did you feel some sort of way, do you

2005
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 1: feel like, oh man, we should have got a five

2006
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 1: like yell madic or at that time.

2007
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 7: We didn't really we didn't really care. Like the sauce was.

2008
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:01,639
Speaker 7: The source was definite, don't get me wrong.

2009
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:03,560
Speaker 8: I was like the Bible, hip hop Bible, like you

2010
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, Like that's how we got our

2011
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 8: break was from the source like unsigned hype, but that

2012
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 8: you know what we were making, you know, we knew

2013
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 8: the power of what we were making, like we felt it,

2014
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 8: we seen it, we heard it like we've seen people

2015
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 8: were reacting to it. So we didn't really once we

2016
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 8: got in that zone, it was just just go time.

2017
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 8: We ain't really care, you know what I mean too

2018
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 8: much about or they gave us four mice and whatever.

2019
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 3: Because we still had that attitude a little bit in us.

2020
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 7: Like they talk about like you know what I mean,

2021
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 7: But it was a little bit more polished.

2022
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:36,839
Speaker 3: The attitude was a little.

2023
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 7: Bit more polished, but it was still there, you know

2024
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 7: what I'm saying. It was still there.

2025
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:42,639
Speaker 8: So we didn't really we didn't really care too much

2026
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,679
Speaker 8: about anything. Once we got our ship off and running

2027
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 8: and shook one Survival of the Fittest, there was like

2028
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 8: we out of here. Fuck everybody, Now, let's just do

2029
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 8: what we do, stick to what we do, stay in

2030
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 8: the studio, stay working, just keep dropping these fucking albums,

2031
01:32:57,479 --> 01:32:59,600
Speaker 8: keep dropping his music. And it was just like that,

2032
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 8: that was it.

2033
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 3: It was over.

2034
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 1: So now that it's more active for you as far

2035
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 1: as the reception and I'm sure the touring is ramped

2036
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: up and just the overall activity, how are you able

2037
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:16,640
Speaker 1: to deal with your health issues and still maintain a

2038
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 1: busy like itinerary promoting?

2039
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 3: And I was fucking up bad.

2040
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 8: I didn't even realize what I was doing to myself

2041
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 8: because I didn't learn about health and dyeing until like

2042
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 8: my mid twenties, Like you know what I'm saying, my

2043
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 8: little mid to early mid twenties, Like you know what

2044
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 8: I mean.

2045
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 7: So I was like I didn't even realize.

2046
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 1: So there wouldn't be times where like right before a

2047
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: show you might have an attack or it's like.

2048
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 8: There was plenty of those times because I didn't I

2049
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 8: didn't realize that I was making myself sick. Like we

2050
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:48,640
Speaker 8: would get up in the morning and have ian J

2051
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 8: for breakfast, like you know, oh shit, like literally every day,

2052
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 8: like you know what I'm saying, and Harolds for breakfast

2053
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 8: Like that was I think, you know what I'm saying,

2054
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 8: Like it's crazy as a sound, that's what we were doing.

2055
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 5: And why was that Because a lot of people don't

2056
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 5: really understand sickle cell like that. So why was that

2057
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 5: like so bad for you?

2058
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 3: Because I learned later.

2059
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 8: I didn't know at this time, but I learned later

2060
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 8: that alcohol dehydrates you know what I mean, your blood.

2061
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 7: It takes all the oxygen out your blood.

2062
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 8: It drives up your blood cells, so that when oxygen

2063
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 8: is missing out of my blood, that's what triggers a

2064
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 8: sickle cell crisis, Like.

2065
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying, So you were having a

2066
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:27,599
Speaker 9: lot back then.

2067
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 8: I didn't even realize that I'm doing it to myself.

2068
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 8: I'm thinking, because the doctor always told me all my life,

2069
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 8: you got sickle cells.

2070
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 3: None you could do about it.

2071
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 8: You're not gonna live past forty, you know what I'm saying.

2072
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 8: That's what they told me all my life. You know

2073
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:39,600
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. There's nothing you could do about it.

2074
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 8: It's no cured.

2075
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 3: That's it. You got to deal with this shit.

2076
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:45,799
Speaker 1: So do you think a part of the the Neilists

2077
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 1: kind of I don't give a fuck attitude is just

2078
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 1: the fact that inside you felt, maybe, well, sit, by

2079
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:54,799
Speaker 1: the time I'm forty, I'm not even gonna be here anyway.

2080
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 7: So but it's just it wasn't so much.

2081
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 8: I mean, maybe subconsciously that, but I I never I

2082
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 8: never thought like.

2083
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 7: I'm going to die when forty because that's what they said.

2084
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:06,679
Speaker 3: But I used to hear that all the time.

2085
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 8: So maybe subconsciously, yeah, you know what I mean. But

2086
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 8: definitely the pain that I was going through made me

2087
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:17,599
Speaker 8: off a little bit, you know what I'm saying a

2088
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 8: little bit.

2089
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 3: What is the stomach like the logic?

2090
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:25,839
Speaker 8: Well, man, it's like pain in the blood. It starts.

2091
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 8: It starts like, all right, you know, blood cells around

2092
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, look like a life sab

2093
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 8: or whatever. And when my blood is missing oxygen, when

2094
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 8: there's not enough oxygen with my blood. My blood cells

2095
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 8: change shape and turned into like crushing moon shapes sickle shapes,

2096
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 8: and they start interlocking with each other like this, and

2097
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 8: it causes like chain reaction.

2098
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 3: And when when they start.

2099
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 8: Interlocking with each other, it just builds up and I

2100
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:50,760
Speaker 8: guess creates pressure.

2101
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 3: Or I don't really use like a headache or matter.

2102
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:57,960
Speaker 8: It's like like somebody took a hammer or sledgehammer and

2103
01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:00,200
Speaker 8: just like bo like you know what I mean, whatever

2104
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 8: the pain is that That's what I said. It's like crippling,

2105
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 8: like you know what I mean. I can't even walk,

2106
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 8: I can't move. Sometimes my friends had to carry me

2107
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:11,720
Speaker 8: to the hospital like get crazy, like so you know.

2108
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 3: What I mean.

2109
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 8: I've been I remember that. I can remember being a

2110
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 8: little baby laying in the hospital looking up at my

2111
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:20,599
Speaker 8: family looking down at me. I don't even I probably

2112
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:22,679
Speaker 8: was like three years old, you know what I'm saying.

2113
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:25,360
Speaker 8: And I can I remember those memories, just laying in

2114
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 8: the hospital, looking up in my family, being sick in

2115
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,640
Speaker 8: the hospital. I ain't understand what was going on. I

2116
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 8: just nominally pain. I don't know what the fuck is happening.

2117
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:36,440
Speaker 8: So this pain been with me all my life and

2118
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:38,800
Speaker 8: it definitely, you know, had an effect on you know,

2119
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 8: my mentality and maybe angry.

2120
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 7: I ain't believe in God, you know what I mean,

2121
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 7: because I asked the prey it.

2122
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,680
Speaker 8: Suffer and make the pain go away, and it's not

2123
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 8: going away. So I was like, oh, it ain't no God.

2124
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 8: Then you know what I'm saying.

2125
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 5: This might be a dumb, non celebrity question, but did

2126
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 5: you ever Were you ever in the same room with

2127
01:36:57,320 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 5: like tea Boys, because I feel like y'all would have

2128
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 5: some of the same issues y'all overre on tour Lie

2129
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 5: and she seemed like she really went through.

2130
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,839
Speaker 3: It a lot. Yeah, we had a conversation.

2131
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 8: We were gonna do a song on my H and

2132
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 8: I c album, but she said her label would and

2133
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 8: let her do a song whatever you can never feel

2134
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 8: my pains on it. Yeah, she was supposed to get

2135
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 8: on that with me. I had made that song for

2136
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 8: me and her and I went down. I flew down

2137
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 8: to Atlanta and for her to hear it. She came

2138
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 8: to the studio and.

2139
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 3: She liked it.

2140
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:23,640
Speaker 8: She was like, my label's not gonna let me do

2141
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 8: it because they're not gonna let me get on a

2142
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 8: hall core rap song. So I don't know, you know

2143
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:31,760
Speaker 8: what I mean, But yeah, the Sicker Cell was crazy.

2144
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 8: It was a crazy thing to grow up with. And

2145
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 8: you know it definitely he made me angry, you know

2146
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 8: what I mean. I was an angry, pissed off kid.

2147
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 8: And then my father, you know, he didn't help all

2148
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 8: the shit he was teaching me. And you know what

2149
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 8: I'm saying. So you know, by the time I got

2150
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 8: to high school and they half I was, it was

2151
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 8: I was insane. I was an insane kid, like you

2152
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. I was very fucking insane man.

2153
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 8: And uh, you know, going on tour, I didn't realize

2154
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 8: I was chilling my myself, like I we would get

2155
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 8: off the plane, I'm sick.

2156
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 7: I gotta go right to the hospital. You can't even

2157
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 7: do gott to cancel the show. I have got to

2158
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 7: perform by myself. This is when Infamous, you know what

2159
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 7: I mean, Infamous came out. We was like touring overseas

2160
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 7: immediately when shook ones and all that, and uh, you know,

2161
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 7: I get sick. I got sick in Paris. I had

2162
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:19,640
Speaker 7: to go to the hospital in Paris. I had to

2163
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:21,480
Speaker 7: go you know, different places overseas.

2164
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 8: And you know, I just thought it was normal because

2165
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 8: this is what I did all my life, you know

2166
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:28,280
Speaker 8: what I mean, Get sick, go to the hospital, get

2167
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:32,680
Speaker 8: better after a couple of weeks, come out. But when

2168
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 8: it started affecting the shows and started affecting the money

2169
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:39,840
Speaker 8: and people booking us, and.

2170
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, that affect your relationship with

2171
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 1: with with habit, No, I really nah, Like would he

2172
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 1: be on you like yo, man, like you know if

2173
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 1: you do this da da da, he's going to mess

2174
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 1: up the money?

2175
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 3: Or yeah, he didn't know. You know, we just thought,

2176
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 3: you know, I got sick of sell I get sick.

2177
01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 7: Okay, we didn't.

2178
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:01,599
Speaker 8: I didn't realize, din't connect it's because of my diet

2179
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 8: and all this drinking or just smoking all this. We

2180
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 8: didn't know that, you know what I mean. So we

2181
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 8: just think he gets sick all the time. I hope

2182
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 8: he doesn't get sick tonight. I hope he doesn't get

2183
01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 8: you know.

2184
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:11,760
Speaker 3: What I mean.

2185
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:15,680
Speaker 8: So after a while, or the money getting fucked up

2186
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 8: and promoter scared, the book us, that started making me

2187
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:22,639
Speaker 8: think different, Like all right, hold up, this is fucking

2188
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 8: up the business. I keep getting sick. What's going on.

2189
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 8: So you know, I started doing research and I started

2190
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 8: finding out that, like you know, you could control the

2191
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:34,840
Speaker 8: sick of cell just you know, from having a proper diet.

2192
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 8: It's all about diet and what you put into your body.

2193
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 8: And and also also you're like your spirit, your mentality,

2194
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 8: like because once you change your mind and your spirit,

2195
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 8: it kind of has a domino effect. Everything has a

2196
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 8: domino effect once you start making change in your life

2197
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 8: little things, whether it's diet or whether it's spirituality. But

2198
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 8: once you start making changes everything else you look, you

2199
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 8: start looking at other things. All right, Well I eat clean,

2200
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 8: I eat vegetables, all right, So what else do I

2201
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:06,519
Speaker 8: need to clean up in my life? Like you know

2202
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:07,920
Speaker 8: what I mean, Oh, I need to stop this or

2203
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 8: I need to stop hanging out with these people, you know,

2204
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 8: I mean get me in trouble. I need to stop

2205
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:14,679
Speaker 8: thinking like this. I need to start having negative thoughts.

2206
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 8: So it's like a domino effects.

2207
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 3: Is it easy to do that?

2208
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,600
Speaker 1: I mean, well, we didn't even get into how you

2209
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 1: guys went from political profits to mob deep. But even

2210
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:26,800
Speaker 1: the first time I met y'all, I don't know if

2211
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 1: you remember, like the you guys did an in store

2212
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 1: or maybe ILL were just there.

2213
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2214
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 1: When do you want more? Our second album came out

2215
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia at Tower Records. We did an in store

2216
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:45,120
Speaker 1: like played inside of inside of that store, and you

2217
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:46,599
Speaker 1: guys were there, and I was kind of shocked.

2218
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:49,720
Speaker 3: I was like, because you know, even then for us,

2219
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 3: I guess people sort of.

2220
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:55,559
Speaker 1: Looked at us like alternative rep outside kind of didn't

2221
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 1: accept us into the fold until like way later.

2222
01:40:57,640 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 3: But I was shocked. I was like, damn mob D

2223
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 3: saying like, damn, okay, maybe maybe we're doing good.

2224
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 1: Like I know that you guys were in town at

2225
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:09,680
Speaker 1: night to do Power ninety nine at night before, but

2226
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:14,560
Speaker 1: I also knew that y'all rolled humongous like big, Like

2227
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 1: how how do you if you decide, okay, maybe I

2228
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 1: need to break away, Like how do you separate yourself.

2229
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 3: From church and state if you will?

2230
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 8: I mean, I mean, you know, it's it's very tricky, man,

2231
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 8: It's very tricky navigating through that whole lifestyle and do

2232
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:38,800
Speaker 8: that whole like you know what I mean, communities that

2233
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:40,400
Speaker 8: we grew up in, Like you know what I mean,

2234
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 8: It's it's not easy, man, you know what I'm saying.

2235
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 3: Like on the average tour, how many people are rolling

2236
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 3: with y'all now or back back then?

2237
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:52,600
Speaker 8: Back then if we was in the States, maybe like

2238
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:56,799
Speaker 8: fifteen twenty May, it could be more. Sometimes if sometimes

2239
01:41:56,840 --> 01:41:59,320
Speaker 8: we would drive to like Genetic Chi will drive to

2240
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 8: Boston or something, and we had like fifteen calls with us,

2241
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:03,479
Speaker 8: they like.

2242
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:04,639
Speaker 3: So I got people.

2243
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 8: So I got to ask because we're dropping, like you

2244
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 8: know what I mean, it's nothing. So I got to

2245
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 8: ask because any of us sleeping in a room, like

2246
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:12,320
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying.

2247
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:16,439
Speaker 1: So when when drop a gym, when them came out

2248
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 1: and I first heard that on a mixtape, I mean

2249
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:23,320
Speaker 1: that was like at the not even at the hype,

2250
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:28,040
Speaker 1: but at the beginning of what would soon become a

2251
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 1: very unnecessary you know, Fable talked about uh East West

2252
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 1: rivalry thing, which you guys were like caught dead in

2253
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 1: the middle. What was what was your reaction because I know,

2254
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 1: I mean, in hindsight, I know that Tupac was just

2255
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 1: basically like just calling out any and every name. I

2256
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 1: mean even Daylight Soul and the Fuji's got.

2257
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 3: I was like, what are the right exactly?

2258
01:42:57,439 --> 01:42:59,280
Speaker 1: So I know they were just calling out he was

2259
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:04,719
Speaker 1: just calling out any and everyone. But when you first heard,

2260
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:09,400
Speaker 1: when you first heard hit him up, Like, what was

2261
01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:13,200
Speaker 1: your reaction? You're feeling like, did y'all ever have a

2262
01:43:13,240 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 1: relationship with Tupac before?

2263
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 3: Nah? We never. We never met Pac.

2264
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 8: We've been in the same room a few times, but

2265
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:23,600
Speaker 8: we didn't. We didn't have any connection. We didn't know

2266
01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:27,760
Speaker 8: each other. Like you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so

2267
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 8: when you know when to hit him up ship came out,

2268
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:35,800
Speaker 8: we was like, oh shit or word. So immediately, you know,

2269
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:38,680
Speaker 8: I'm already thinking like, oh, he's standing up for a

2270
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:41,559
Speaker 8: snoop because we just made a song going back at

2271
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 8: snoop and Pocket is the brand new artist on on

2272
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 8: death Row. I forgot about New York. Okay, you know

2273
01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. Pocket is the brand new artist on

2274
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 8: death Row.

2275
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 7: So he feels like he gotta show y'all what I'm

2276
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 7: I'm death roll now watch'll snoop. You know what I'm saying, Like,

2277
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:57,080
Speaker 7: I'll hang through these niggas for you. I'm the new artist.

2278
01:43:57,160 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 3: Let me.

2279
01:43:57,439 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 8: It's my job to do this, you know what I'm saying.

2280
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:01,600
Speaker 8: So that's how park mentality was. I think, you know

2281
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 8: what I mean? He was like, fuck that he got

2282
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:05,880
Speaker 8: to show him proof to death row He's gonna hold

2283
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 8: it down, you know what I'm saying.

2284
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:10,479
Speaker 3: So he went at us for snoop.

2285
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 8: That's what I think, you know what I mean. And

2286
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:15,320
Speaker 8: also a lot of people say that. On an album

2287
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:19,320
Speaker 8: on Survival when our homies have his cousin, he says

2288
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 8: in the chorus, Doug life, we still live in it,

2289
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 8: Doug Life, were still living it.

2290
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 7: Like on the chorus, we wasn't dissing Park. That was

2291
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 7: just like a slang in the.

2292
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:34,720
Speaker 8: Street, like the thug Life probably probably coined the phrase, right,

2293
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 8: but it was.

2294
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so this is how we was talking, like,

2295
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 7: you know what I mean.

2296
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 8: So I heard that Park took offense to that, you

2297
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 8: know what I mean, because we were saying thug life

2298
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 8: is still living it, you know.

2299
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,680
Speaker 3: What I mean. So not knowing you just adapting what

2300
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 3: he It wasn't. No, we wasn't even taking those shots, right.

2301
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,439
Speaker 1: So what drop drop a jim on him. It's like,

2302
01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 1: you know, for for most East Coast rappers, going to

2303
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 1: LA is like, yo, that's some fun shit. I mean,

2304
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:06,560
Speaker 1: at least for now now that weird, you know what

2305
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:10,880
Speaker 1: I mean, But not back then, Yeah, like how I mean,

2306
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:12,720
Speaker 1: just to be caught up in that shit. Were you

2307
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:16,040
Speaker 1: guys like very cautious and coming to Los Angeles for

2308
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:18,599
Speaker 1: fear of like some shit might go down?

2309
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 3: Or was it just like.

2310
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:24,280
Speaker 8: When the La La and New York New York came

2311
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:29,320
Speaker 8: out and then Pop dropped Hit Him Up. Our song

2312
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:33,720
Speaker 8: La La was number one on LA radio, you know

2313
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:36,960
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. For whatever reason, we had a big

2314
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:40,040
Speaker 8: fan base in Cali early, you know what I'm saying.

2315
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 8: So we had fans out there and the song became

2316
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 8: number one in LA radio and they was requesting for

2317
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 8: us to fly out there and perform it. So we

2318
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 8: were flying to LA. We would bring like all our

2319
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:54,640
Speaker 8: boys with us, you know what I'm saying, and we

2320
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:58,799
Speaker 8: would go perform this song. And we had the mentality

2321
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:01,599
Speaker 8: like you know, yeah, we wore already we're gonna bring

2322
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:04,519
Speaker 8: our niggas with us. Something pop off. We're gonna pop off,

2323
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 8: like you know what I'm saying. That was our mentality,

2324
01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 8: like you know what I'm saying. And we was out

2325
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 8: there performing that shit, you know what I mean. In

2326
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 8: the middle of all that.

2327
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 3: Damn, I'm glad nothing escalated, yeah.

2328
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:16,559
Speaker 8: Because you know it can get bad. Anyway, LA's bad.

2329
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 8: New York is bad, like everybody bad, like you know

2330
01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:20,320
Speaker 8: what I mean. So it could have gotten nasty, you

2331
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:22,640
Speaker 8: know what I mean, But you know it is what

2332
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 8: it is, man like. That's I'm just saying how it

2333
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 8: went down, Like you know what I mean. We were

2334
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 8: performing out there the La La record and it felt weird,

2335
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:34,560
Speaker 8: but we did it. It felt like, yeah, we was

2336
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,360
Speaker 8: in danger, but we didn't give a fuck because we're

2337
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:39,640
Speaker 8: in danger back home too, you know what I mean.

2338
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:41,280
Speaker 8: When we hang out with the clubs, we hanging in

2339
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 8: the hood, our friends are getting shot. So what's the difference, right,

2340
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:47,360
Speaker 8: And that's how that was our attitude, like you know

2341
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 8: what I mean, what's the difference, Don't give a fuck,

2342
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:49,639
Speaker 8: Let's go perform.

2343
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 1: Like I happened to read the source article, uh for

2344
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:57,600
Speaker 1: your solo project when you were explaining that, you know,

2345
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 1: the whole snoop crust, the buildings line or whatever, I mean,

2346
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,799
Speaker 1: I got the perspective you were coming from saying, like basically,

2347
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 1: like we out here on the front lines, you know,

2348
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 1: we're out here repping where we came from and that

2349
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 1: sort of thing. So it's just the whole takeover situation,

2350
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 1: like in hindsight. I mean, how do you feel like,

2351
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:25,200
Speaker 1: have you guys spoken sense or is it just like

2352
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:27,760
Speaker 1: is it water under the bridge now or.

2353
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's basically you know, water under the bridge.

2354
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:33,479
Speaker 8: Of course, we still we still got that little you know,

2355
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:35,760
Speaker 8: competition in us, like you still be looking at like,

2356
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 8: you know, Jay don't really fuck with nobody.

2357
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:38,920
Speaker 7: He don't do.

2358
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:42,680
Speaker 3: Songs with nobody like badly. I'm surprised when Jay did

2359
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 3: the joint with Fabulous.

2360
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,560
Speaker 8: I was like, oh shit, he did the joint with

2361
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 8: fab Yo, that's dope, you know what I'm saying.

2362
01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 7: I was happy for fab when that happened. But you know,

2363
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:51,559
Speaker 7: Jay don't do songs with nobody.

2364
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:54,479
Speaker 1: So it's like I know that him and Nas sort

2365
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 1: of you know, people basically see taking over as as

2366
01:47:57,760 --> 01:47:58,600
Speaker 1: a Nas.

2367
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:00,759
Speaker 3: Jay Z situation.

2368
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 8: So let me let me let me let me start

2369
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 8: from the top right right. I was already thinking when

2370
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 8: I first heard Jay said that line. I was in

2371
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:10,880
Speaker 8: the club and Queen's and it was all my boys

2372
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:12,639
Speaker 8: and I heard the song money Cash Holes was playing

2373
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:14,080
Speaker 8: in the club. I was like, it's dope, that beat

2374
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 8: his crazy but with the piano shit right. So I

2375
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 8: heard the line, I was like, because you know we

2376
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:23,920
Speaker 8: listened to we like really be scrutinizing rat like you

2377
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:25,639
Speaker 8: know what I mean, we like what he just said,

2378
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying.

2379
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:27,280
Speaker 3: Who we talk about like what?

2380
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 8: You know what I mean, we'd be overanalyzing shit. Like

2381
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:32,400
Speaker 8: So when I heard that s I was like, huh,

2382
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:33,639
Speaker 8: I caught that shit right away.

2383
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:36,400
Speaker 7: I was like New York and Snoop. Ever since Snoop

2384
01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 7: came through, and I was like, what the fuck is

2385
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:41,040
Speaker 7: he talking about? So, you know, the thought just went

2386
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:41,599
Speaker 7: past my head.

2387
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 8: So I ain't think nothing of But really after that,

2388
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 8: and I was in the office one day and Loud

2389
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 8: and Pun was dead. Fat Joe's dead and I was

2390
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:51,559
Speaker 8: just kicking in the office chilling, and I overheard Fat

2391
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 8: Joe said, Yo, you heard that line.

2392
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:54,519
Speaker 7: He was talking to somebody.

2393
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:56,680
Speaker 8: Yo, you heard that line? Jay said, New York be

2394
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 8: And so I was like, words, son, I feel the

2395
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:05,200
Speaker 8: same way. I was like, Yo, that's crazy. You said that.

2396
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 3: So I feel the same way. He's like, word, that's

2397
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 3: kind of crazy. He said that.

2398
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:12,880
Speaker 8: So you know, when when doing the Sauce, I did

2399
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:14,680
Speaker 8: the Sauce interview and I was like, man, Jay z

2400
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:16,760
Speaker 8: a bitch ass. Nigga for saying that, Like how you're

2401
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 8: gonna say that?

2402
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:18,240
Speaker 7: Like you know what I mean? That was some bitch

2403
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:20,040
Speaker 7: ass nigga shit to say that, like come on, man,

2404
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 7: cut it out man, like we was holding it down.

2405
01:49:22,200 --> 01:49:24,439
Speaker 8: We was out there performing, We've risking our life like

2406
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:26,600
Speaker 8: it was serious, like you know what I'm saying, And

2407
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 8: that come years later saying some shit like shut the

2408
01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:31,400
Speaker 8: fuck up, like you know what I'm saying, just rap nigga.

2409
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:33,680
Speaker 8: Why are you talking about that that has nothing to

2410
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 8: do with you, Like you know what I'm saying, just

2411
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:38,400
Speaker 8: rap nigga. So I was pissed, and you know I

2412
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:40,439
Speaker 8: was on my bullshit. You know what I'm saying When

2413
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:42,599
Speaker 8: I was young, I was on my bullshit. I feel

2414
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:44,920
Speaker 8: I said I said something. I was like, here a

2415
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:46,680
Speaker 8: bitch ass nigga for saying that, you know what I mean?

2416
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:50,720
Speaker 8: And you know he he I got the wordy back

2417
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:53,680
Speaker 8: from Dame Dash. Dame was like, yo, Jay was you know?

2418
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:55,880
Speaker 8: Jay said, you know he wished you just would have

2419
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:58,280
Speaker 8: reached out and spoke to him instead of saying it

2420
01:49:58,400 --> 01:49:59,160
Speaker 8: in the magazine.

2421
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, whatever, man, you know what I'm saying.

2422
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:06,240
Speaker 8: So then, uh, I actually had a conversation with Nas

2423
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:09,680
Speaker 8: right right before this article. I had a conversation with

2424
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:13,479
Speaker 8: Nas and uh because me meet what's his nigga name,

2425
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:14,720
Speaker 8: Memphis Bleak.

2426
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 7: Memphis Bleak was taking shots at Nas. You know what

2427
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 7: I'm saying.

2428
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 3: He was, if you fall, I can help you out.

2429
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 3: He was just saying little.

2430
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:25,599
Speaker 7: Slick shit here.

2431
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:28,400
Speaker 3: It was like your life was written? Who you kidding?

2432
01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:29,439
Speaker 3: Some shit like that. Whatever.

2433
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:33,679
Speaker 8: So you know, I took offence to that. Anybody talking

2434
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:35,680
Speaker 8: about NOAs, I'm taking offence to it. You know what

2435
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 8: I'm saying, Like everybody you know Queensbridge.

2436
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:39,920
Speaker 3: Is like, that's the crew, that's that's out cruel. So

2437
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:41,760
Speaker 3: I talked to Nas one day.

2438
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:43,760
Speaker 8: I was like, yo, son, I was like, you heard

2439
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:47,000
Speaker 8: you heard you hear these niggas And he was like yeah, yeah,

2440
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 8: He's like I ain't worry about that ship though.

2441
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 7: I was like, your son, man, fuck that, Let's go

2442
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 7: out to these niggas.

2443
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:54,720
Speaker 8: Son, what's up? He like nah, he like that, fuck

2444
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:56,720
Speaker 8: the niggas. Don't go out to the niggas, man, fuck them.

2445
01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 8: Niggas ain't nobody. I'm like, your son, fuck that, Let's

2446
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 8: go at these niggas trying to pop ship.

2447
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 3: Son.

2448
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 8: You hear this ship they popping man ship. He's like, man,

2449
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 8: I'm telling you man, fuck that ship man that it

2450
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:10,160
Speaker 8: ain't about nothing. So I'm like, I'm you were, and

2451
01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:12,080
Speaker 8: I'm like, Yo, I'm gonna just do it by myself

2452
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:15,880
Speaker 8: then fuck it. He was like all right, you know

2453
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:17,880
Speaker 8: that's when I did the article ship said the ship

2454
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 8: about him, blah blah blah. And then he do the

2455
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:24,720
Speaker 8: Summer jam ship. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, So

2456
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 8: how that happened is uh earth gott He is cool

2457
01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:34,679
Speaker 8: with uh, you know with Jay right and a Shati

2458
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:36,320
Speaker 8: used to go to my grandma's dance school.

2459
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:42,240
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Okay, and and Uh at

2460
01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:46,479
Speaker 3: the time, we had did a song with Vita called Burn.

2461
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:51,519
Speaker 3: You know. We was like that was my Yeah, we

2462
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 3: were like my favorite.

2463
01:51:53,120 --> 01:51:54,880
Speaker 8: We was going at it with Jay like we was

2464
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,240
Speaker 8: going at it like you know what I'm saying. I

2465
01:51:57,439 --> 01:51:59,640
Speaker 8: was going at it with Jay like little ship a

2466
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:03,160
Speaker 8: mixed tapes. I wasn't taking it as serious. I wasn't

2467
01:52:03,240 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 8: like being like a rapper, like being like I gotta

2468
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 8: write some bonds like I was on some writing like Nigga,

2469
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:13,439
Speaker 8: when we see you, we're gonna beat you while we're

2470
01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 8: gonna I'm gonna shoot.

2471
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:15,800
Speaker 3: You in your foot.

2472
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:17,599
Speaker 7: Don't remember that ship?

2473
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:20,519
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying, Like that was my mentality.

2474
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:23,799
Speaker 8: I'm not even thinking like I gotta write immaculate balls,

2475
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:26,120
Speaker 8: I gotta make a battle rap.

2476
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:27,920
Speaker 3: Like I'm not even thinking like that at all.

2477
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 8: I'm just thinking like, yo, nigga, I'm just writing like nigga,

2478
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:39,000
Speaker 8: I'm angry, writing like we're gonna see this nigga, so

2479
01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:39,680
Speaker 8: fucking you.

2480
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying.

2481
01:52:41,439 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 8: So we did the song with Vita called Burn, and

2482
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:50,800
Speaker 8: Vita signed it, you know, to IRV Gotti. So it's

2483
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:54,439
Speaker 8: trying to shoot the video for Burn, and you know,

2484
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:57,880
Speaker 8: Burn is getting a lot of play flexes playing the

2485
01:52:57,960 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 8: ship out of his record. It becomes a hit, and

2486
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:06,040
Speaker 8: we try to shoot the video. We holler and we

2487
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:08,400
Speaker 8: forget a word from Vita that she can't do the video.

2488
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:11,600
Speaker 8: So I called her because I was like, you know,

2489
01:53:11,720 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 8: Vida was kicking it. You know what I'm saying.

2490
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:14,200
Speaker 3: I had a number. I'm called her.

2491
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:15,600
Speaker 7: I'm like, yo, what's going on.

2492
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:19,360
Speaker 8: She's like, yo, pee, let me tell you. She was like,

2493
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:22,240
Speaker 8: IRV told me I can't do the video. Because Jay,

2494
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:24,320
Speaker 8: you know, it was like, yo, don't let her do that.

2495
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:27,000
Speaker 8: I was like, word, he was like yeah, they hating

2496
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:28,760
Speaker 8: on you over there right now, and this, that, and

2497
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:30,560
Speaker 8: the third she was like I can't. I'm sorry, I

2498
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:33,680
Speaker 8: can't do the video. I'm like, word, they really did that.

2499
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:35,559
Speaker 3: She was like yeah. She was like they over there

2500
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:36,400
Speaker 3: like you know.

2501
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:38,160
Speaker 8: What I'm saying, They like, don't let her do it.

2502
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:40,120
Speaker 8: So I'm like, all right, it's cool, I understand, you

2503
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:40,599
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying.

2504
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:43,840
Speaker 3: Whatever. So Vida never got in the video with us

2505
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:46,519
Speaker 3: because of that. Right, So, then the.

2506
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:51,479
Speaker 8: Whole summer jam shit happened and he puts this picture

2507
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:53,120
Speaker 8: up me dressed like Michael Jackson.

2508
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 7: You know, I thought was Michael Jackson when I was

2509
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:55,080
Speaker 7: a little kid.

2510
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 3: Who didn't think we all thought we did.

2511
01:53:57,600 --> 01:54:00,599
Speaker 8: So right away I knew where it came from right away,

2512
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:05,320
Speaker 8: you know, right he put Immediately I was like, oh wow,

2513
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:08,960
Speaker 8: he did some real ill other shit, like he went

2514
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:12,120
Speaker 8: and got a picture. He lied on the picture said

2515
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:14,320
Speaker 8: it was Prodigy nineteen eighty nine and some shit like

2516
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:16,120
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, he lied about the year.

2517
01:54:18,040 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 8: So whatever, I thought it was funny, you know what

2518
01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:22,880
Speaker 8: I'm saying. That like my nigga was in the audience

2519
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:25,679
Speaker 8: a Summer jam My man elogy. He called me like, Yo, Pie,

2520
01:54:26,360 --> 01:54:28,200
Speaker 8: you know, I told you that picture was gonna come

2521
01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 8: back to haunt you. She had seen the pictures years

2522
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:35,240
Speaker 8: ago and shit when he was like working on music,

2523
01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:36,640
Speaker 8: he was looking through the books.

2524
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:37,920
Speaker 3: He's like, oh shit, look at this shit.

2525
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 8: So whatever, He's like, Yo, I told you that picture

2526
01:54:40,160 --> 01:54:41,200
Speaker 8: come back to haunt you. I was like, what you're

2527
01:54:41,240 --> 01:54:43,280
Speaker 8: talking about? He said, Yo, son, Jay, just put your

2528
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:43,800
Speaker 8: picture up.

2529
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:44,960
Speaker 3: In Summer jam. I'm like what.

2530
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:48,320
Speaker 8: So now we dying laughing on the phone, right, So

2531
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:50,760
Speaker 8: now I'm like, Wow, that's crazy. So I'm like, all right,

2532
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:53,800
Speaker 8: that's what's up. He got jokes, He got jokes. All right, cool,

2533
01:54:54,160 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 8: it's funny, you know what I'm saying. And that was that,

2534
01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:58,840
Speaker 8: and then he made you know, he was going at

2535
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:02,160
Speaker 8: Nas and and me. He was like, as Nas, you

2536
01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:04,520
Speaker 8: don't want it withhold, So basically talking to me, you

2537
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:06,360
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, like, as Nas, you don't want

2538
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:08,680
Speaker 8: it withhold. This that I got money stacks bigger than

2539
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:10,480
Speaker 8: you and all this shit. He talked about me the

2540
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:10,960
Speaker 8: whole song.

2541
01:55:11,080 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

2542
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:14,960
Speaker 8: He took a little jabbed knaves, but he's talking about

2543
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:19,240
Speaker 8: me the whole song. So now I'm like, all right,

2544
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:23,800
Speaker 8: this is it fucked that it's warm? You got you

2545
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, Fuck this shit, Fuck this nigga,

2546
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:27,520
Speaker 8: Fuck everybody.

2547
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:29,520
Speaker 7: They down with da da dah. So you know, I

2548
01:55:29,600 --> 01:55:33,360
Speaker 7: was on my ship and Nas dropped ether you.

2549
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 8: Know what I'm saying, and it just I was like, whoa,

2550
01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:40,760
Speaker 8: he took it serious, he took the beef and you

2551
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:43,000
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, making the Yeah, I was like, oh,

2552
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:44,920
Speaker 8: I wouldn't have wrote some ship like that. I was.

2553
01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:48,360
Speaker 3: I was too angry. I was just mad.

2554
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,560
Speaker 7: I wanted to catch this nigga like and do something

2555
01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:51,640
Speaker 7: to him, like you know what I'm saying.

2556
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:53,600
Speaker 5: Did you ever talk to Knas after he did either

2557
01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:55,760
Speaker 5: about that? Because like he changed his mind and then

2558
01:55:55,800 --> 01:55:57,480
Speaker 5: he changed his mind to a major extent.

2559
01:55:57,680 --> 01:56:00,320
Speaker 9: So what was he thinking? Was it that he got

2560
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:02,280
Speaker 9: mad for the attack on you or the mad for

2561
01:56:02,360 --> 01:56:02,760
Speaker 9: the attack?

2562
01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:05,880
Speaker 3: I think no. I think Nas did the well all

2563
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:07,480
Speaker 3: said to defend his title.

2564
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:11,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I think Nas did eta and the song

2565
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:14,240
Speaker 8: called Building Destroy number one because Jay mentioned his name,

2566
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:15,840
Speaker 8: so he like, I not fucked that and plus we

2567
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:17,960
Speaker 8: was me and I was already talking about I was like, yo,

2568
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:19,600
Speaker 8: let's go at these niggas, like you know what I'm saying.

2569
01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:22,040
Speaker 3: But now I guess he heard that song and that

2570
01:56:22,120 --> 01:56:23,360
Speaker 3: drew the line. He was like, man, fuck that.

2571
01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:26,160
Speaker 8: So he made a song called Building Destroyer also at

2572
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:28,960
Speaker 8: the same time, and he shipped on me talking about

2573
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:31,280
Speaker 8: your pology get robbed? You know what he was talking about.

2574
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:33,480
Speaker 8: Knives was saying some things that he doesn't have no

2575
01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:36,400
Speaker 8: idea what really happened. He thinks he knows, but he

2576
01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:38,880
Speaker 8: really doesn't know. So he was something I got robbed

2577
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:41,560
Speaker 8: this that a third and at the end of the

2578
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:44,840
Speaker 8: song he apologized to me, you needed the song, yo,

2579
01:56:44,920 --> 01:56:46,560
Speaker 8: p I love you man, Just get away from them

2580
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:47,360
Speaker 8: fake ass niggas.

2581
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 3: That's what he's saying on the song, like you know

2582
01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:50,360
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. After he just shot it on me

2583
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:55,840
Speaker 3: the whole I'm like, Yo, where did this come from? Oh?

2584
01:56:55,880 --> 01:56:57,320
Speaker 9: He hits you like, yo, I got this joint.

2585
01:56:57,320 --> 01:56:59,480
Speaker 8: Building Destroyer was just in a studio with him, Like

2586
01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:02,120
Speaker 8: I was mad that they was rapping about nas.

2587
01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:04,160
Speaker 7: I'm like, yoyo, fuck that, Let's go out to these niggas.

2588
01:57:04,160 --> 01:57:06,000
Speaker 7: They rapping about you, son, you know what I'm saying.

2589
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:09,360
Speaker 7: And now he had a song this on me. I'm like,

2590
01:57:09,480 --> 01:57:11,640
Speaker 7: where did this come from? I don't have no beef

2591
01:57:11,640 --> 01:57:12,040
Speaker 7: for nos.

2592
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:14,160
Speaker 3: I hate to ask this. What album is that one?

2593
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:16,680
Speaker 3: No it was on? Was it still madic? I think

2594
01:57:16,720 --> 01:57:19,880
Speaker 3: I think show was still mad? Really? I think I.

2595
01:57:21,480 --> 01:57:25,120
Speaker 8: Found out that Nas was mad at me because I

2596
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:28,840
Speaker 8: did the song with cor Mega right, and I didn't when.

2597
01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:30,640
Speaker 3: I did this, which is one of my favorite fucking

2598
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:32,400
Speaker 3: mob D songs on Murder Music.

2599
01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:33,800
Speaker 7: Right, no, no, no, no no, it was one of

2600
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:34,480
Speaker 7: the Mega songs.

2601
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:35,120
Speaker 3: Okay.

2602
01:57:35,200 --> 01:57:37,960
Speaker 7: When I did the song with cor Mega, he didn't

2603
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:39,520
Speaker 7: have a verse on it. It was just a beat.

2604
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:41,200
Speaker 7: I went wrote my verse to it.

2605
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 3: I left. When he puts the song out, he writes

2606
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:47,840
Speaker 3: his whole verse this and notas Oh.

2607
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:51,680
Speaker 8: So I didn't know that before three one situation, you

2608
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:53,320
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. I didn't know that, So then

2609
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:56,160
Speaker 8: I found out later That's why Nas. I guess he

2610
01:57:56,240 --> 01:57:59,520
Speaker 8: thought my verse was about him because he heard that's

2611
01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:00,160
Speaker 8: fall from you.

2612
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:01,360
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I didn't.

2613
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:01,840
Speaker 7: I never.

2614
01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:03,800
Speaker 3: Find out that.

2615
01:58:04,600 --> 01:58:07,120
Speaker 8: I guess making changes verse without you even knowing. I

2616
01:58:07,160 --> 01:58:09,280
Speaker 8: guess years later after me being vocal about it and

2617
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:10,040
Speaker 8: talking about it.

2618
01:58:11,120 --> 01:58:13,480
Speaker 3: That's why I said, that's why I wrote.

2619
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:13,960
Speaker 7: That's why I.

2620
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:17,880
Speaker 8: Wrote the book because the story is so much complex,

2621
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:22,160
Speaker 8: pieces to everything. I want people to understand how everything

2622
01:58:22,280 --> 01:58:25,480
Speaker 8: transpired and how it went down. I communicating that was

2623
01:58:25,600 --> 01:58:27,440
Speaker 8: one of the main reasons I wrote that book. And

2624
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:30,120
Speaker 8: plus I looked at it like, this is my youth.

2625
01:58:30,280 --> 01:58:31,400
Speaker 7: I'm a grown man now.

2626
01:58:31,880 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 3: That book is my youth. That's my youth, that's.

2627
01:58:35,720 --> 01:58:36,440
Speaker 7: Me growing up.

2628
01:58:37,360 --> 01:58:39,600
Speaker 8: I'm a grown man now. I Don'm not like that

2629
01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:41,240
Speaker 8: no more, you know what I mean. I was very

2630
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:45,480
Speaker 8: hard headed and ignorant and all my bullshit, and I

2631
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:47,600
Speaker 8: grew up. So I was like, you know what, I'm

2632
01:58:47,600 --> 01:58:50,120
Speaker 8: gonna write a book and I'm gonna just like you know,

2633
01:58:50,160 --> 01:58:52,400
Speaker 8: I'm gonna explain how I grew up, and I'm explaining

2634
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:55,760
Speaker 8: certain situations for people so they can understand why this happened,

2635
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:56,560
Speaker 8: How did that happen?

2636
01:58:56,600 --> 01:58:56,960
Speaker 3: How did you?

2637
01:58:57,400 --> 01:58:59,400
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying? Like, there was so many questions,

2638
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:01,520
Speaker 7: and I'm sure that fans wanted to know, why is

2639
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:02,120
Speaker 7: y'all beefing?

2640
01:59:02,160 --> 01:59:02,640
Speaker 3: Why did this?

2641
01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:04,840
Speaker 8: How did this start with it? That was the main

2642
01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:06,680
Speaker 8: reason I wrote this book because I want people to

2643
01:59:06,720 --> 01:59:09,600
Speaker 8: have a clear picture of how it actually went down. Like,

2644
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:13,960
Speaker 8: oh yeah, I see Nas everyone again. I've just seen

2645
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:16,320
Speaker 8: him recently at New York Fashion Week. We kicked it

2646
01:59:16,440 --> 01:59:18,280
Speaker 8: like you know what I'm saying, and we were talking

2647
01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:19,600
Speaker 8: about doing some new music together.

2648
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:20,560
Speaker 3: So we're cool.

2649
01:59:20,680 --> 01:59:22,280
Speaker 7: I don't got no problem with nots. We never really

2650
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:22,520
Speaker 7: had it.

2651
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:27,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, how come like a Queen's Bridge,

2652
01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:32,080
Speaker 1: like just Summit Meeting album never went down.

2653
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:37,920
Speaker 7: There's too many Yeah, it's too many egos. There's too

2654
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:38,720
Speaker 7: many people like.

2655
01:59:39,000 --> 01:59:46,800
Speaker 1: Thinking like my deep Nas like like yeah, like eight

2656
01:59:48,280 --> 01:59:50,800
Speaker 1: some of the most incredible as MC.

2657
01:59:51,320 --> 01:59:51,840
Speaker 3: One day.

2658
01:59:53,520 --> 01:59:56,120
Speaker 7: I was on the phone with Pharrell and Pharrell was

2659
01:59:56,200 --> 01:59:59,080
Speaker 7: like our first conversation ever.

2660
01:59:59,560 --> 02:00:03,480
Speaker 8: At second conversation, who's on the phone And he was like, Yo,

2661
02:00:03,640 --> 02:00:05,640
Speaker 8: you gotta ask you something. He was like, what's wrong

2662
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:09,640
Speaker 8: with y'all Queensbridge niggas? Why don't you to fucking stick

2663
02:00:09,720 --> 02:00:13,120
Speaker 8: together and just do music? My nigga's wrong with your niggas?

2664
02:00:13,160 --> 02:00:13,320
Speaker 3: Ouh?

2665
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:17,120
Speaker 7: Like I'm like, yo, son, it just is what it is.

2666
02:00:17,240 --> 02:00:19,360
Speaker 7: My niggas just hood ship, Like that's what happens.

2667
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:19,560
Speaker 9: Man.

2668
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:20,760
Speaker 7: Everybody don't get along.

2669
02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:23,760
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm sure everybody wants to be lovey dovey

2670
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:25,600
Speaker 8: and picture perfect, but it's not like that, you know

2671
02:00:25,640 --> 02:00:26,280
Speaker 8: what I'm saying, Like.

2672
02:00:26,440 --> 02:00:29,320
Speaker 4: What's the what's the deal now with I'm thinking about

2673
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:33,480
Speaker 4: other queenslandsh cats like Mega Nature, Littles, balls and hooks,

2674
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:34,560
Speaker 4: Like what's what's.

2675
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:36,120
Speaker 7: They're all doing anything?

2676
02:00:36,200 --> 02:00:36,600
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

2677
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:39,520
Speaker 8: They doing aything and you know, we doing our thing,

2678
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:41,840
Speaker 8: and that's It's just is what it is. Everybody is

2679
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:43,600
Speaker 8: doing their own separate things like you know what I'm saying.

2680
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:46,480
Speaker 8: I mean, especially for me, I look at it. I

2681
02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:48,320
Speaker 8: went through a lot of shit, you know what i mean,

2682
02:00:48,520 --> 02:00:50,400
Speaker 8: just like being out there because I'm like an outside

2683
02:00:50,440 --> 02:00:53,120
Speaker 8: out there, you know what I'm saying. So a lot

2684
02:00:53,120 --> 02:00:55,040
Speaker 8: of people treated me like that. They was like he

2685
02:00:55,080 --> 02:00:56,960
Speaker 8: ain't from the hood. I always had to deal with

2686
02:00:57,040 --> 02:00:59,040
Speaker 8: that attitude a little bit. A lot of people might

2687
02:00:59,080 --> 02:01:00,760
Speaker 8: have been scared to say it or they didn't want

2688
02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:02,960
Speaker 8: to say it, but I could just feel it, you

2689
02:01:03,000 --> 02:01:04,760
Speaker 8: know what I mean, And a lot of people did

2690
02:01:04,880 --> 02:01:07,720
Speaker 8: say it, so it kind of turned me off a

2691
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:09,480
Speaker 8: little bit. It made me really want to just do

2692
02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:12,560
Speaker 8: my own thing. Like I never said I was from Queensbridge.

2693
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:14,520
Speaker 8: Always say I'm from Hempstead, like you know what I'm saying,

2694
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:17,160
Speaker 8: and these a lot of a lot of different people

2695
02:01:17,200 --> 02:01:19,880
Speaker 8: from Queensbridge would like to would like to have you

2696
02:01:20,040 --> 02:01:24,800
Speaker 8: think that I'm a fake Queen like I like I

2697
02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:27,720
Speaker 8: say I'm from Queensbridge, like p ain't rarely from the hood,

2698
02:01:27,800 --> 02:01:30,160
Speaker 8: like I never said I was. You just want people

2699
02:01:30,240 --> 02:01:31,600
Speaker 8: to think that, like you know what I'm saying. Stop

2700
02:01:31,680 --> 02:01:33,480
Speaker 8: brutting that in people's minds, like you know what I'm saying.

2701
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:35,280
Speaker 7: So I had to deal with that attitude all the

2702
02:01:35,360 --> 02:01:38,360
Speaker 7: time with a lot of rappers, a lot of regular.

2703
02:01:38,040 --> 02:01:39,440
Speaker 3: People in the hood or whatever whatever.

2704
02:01:39,560 --> 02:01:41,080
Speaker 8: So it kind of turned me off and made me

2705
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:42,600
Speaker 8: just like you know what, I kind of I kind

2706
02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:44,360
Speaker 8: of I just do my own shit cause I gotta

2707
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:46,840
Speaker 8: show it made me like I have to show you

2708
02:01:47,000 --> 02:01:50,760
Speaker 8: now that I don't care about none of this. I'm

2709
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:53,720
Speaker 8: my own person, I'm my own entity. Y'all don't control

2710
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:56,840
Speaker 8: anything I do. Y'all don't scare me. I don't give

2711
02:01:56,880 --> 02:02:01,080
Speaker 8: a fuck if from Brooklyn, the Bronx, Queensbridge, Bare, queens.

2712
02:02:01,640 --> 02:02:03,160
Speaker 7: La, I don't give a fuck where are you from?

2713
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:04,000
Speaker 7: This is my life.

2714
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:06,080
Speaker 8: Everybody live their life, and I don't live my life

2715
02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:09,320
Speaker 8: in fear, you know what I'm saying. So it made

2716
02:02:09,400 --> 02:02:11,920
Speaker 8: me back up over everybody. It made me back up

2717
02:02:11,960 --> 02:02:14,560
Speaker 8: over everybody and just want to do my own thing.

2718
02:02:14,680 --> 02:02:14,800
Speaker 6: Man.

2719
02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:17,480
Speaker 8: That's why I started doing, you know, my own shit, man,

2720
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:20,120
Speaker 8: because I started dealing with a lot of that, a

2721
02:02:20,200 --> 02:02:22,280
Speaker 8: lot of that, you know, just just weird shit people

2722
02:02:22,360 --> 02:02:24,520
Speaker 8: like he's not from out here, you know what I'm saying.

2723
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:27,080
Speaker 5: Don't you think it's ironic that like amongst that, all

2724
02:02:27,080 --> 02:02:28,840
Speaker 5: those mcs who look at you like that in that way,

2725
02:02:28,840 --> 02:02:31,240
Speaker 5: It's like, now they're raising children and they're bringing them

2726
02:02:31,320 --> 02:02:33,120
Speaker 5: up in a way that you were brought up in

2727
02:02:33,200 --> 02:02:36,120
Speaker 5: your childhood, like culturally and all that stuff. And I

2728
02:02:36,160 --> 02:02:38,400
Speaker 5: even thought that now would looking at the video you

2729
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:40,160
Speaker 5: doing bad landing like that, now that we have the

2730
02:02:40,280 --> 02:02:42,120
Speaker 5: context of where that come from, it adds to the

2731
02:02:42,200 --> 02:02:44,360
Speaker 5: dopeness of who you are, right And now I look

2732
02:02:44,440 --> 02:02:45,760
Speaker 5: at even a blue ivy and I'm.

2733
02:02:45,680 --> 02:02:49,440
Speaker 9: Like, that's her. She's growing up in that environment. So

2734
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:52,080
Speaker 9: do you see that now as clearly?

2735
02:02:52,240 --> 02:02:57,240
Speaker 8: And I just think that, you know, it's not everybody.

2736
02:02:57,760 --> 02:03:00,879
Speaker 8: Everybody's not a bad person, Like everybody didn't have that attitude.

2737
02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:04,520
Speaker 8: It was only certain particular people and yeah, I mean,

2738
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:05,840
Speaker 8: it just is what it is.

2739
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:06,160
Speaker 1: Man.

2740
02:03:06,240 --> 02:03:08,600
Speaker 8: I'm me, Man, you know what I'm saying, And I'm

2741
02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:10,840
Speaker 8: the type of person. I was trying to get everybody together,

2742
02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:13,320
Speaker 8: and you know I'm that type of person. I'm like, Yo,

2743
02:03:13,960 --> 02:03:16,800
Speaker 8: all right, come on, you're gonna rap. We made Annoyed

2744
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:19,600
Speaker 8: and Twin and everybody rap, like you know what I'm saying.

2745
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:22,320
Speaker 8: We was like, nah, you're gonna rap Nigga and Nigga Annoyed,

2746
02:03:22,440 --> 02:03:23,760
Speaker 8: Like I don't want to sell drugs.

2747
02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:26,000
Speaker 7: I don't want to rap, you know what I'm saying, Like, no,

2748
02:03:26,160 --> 02:03:28,080
Speaker 7: come to the studio with us. Come on, you're gonna

2749
02:03:28,160 --> 02:03:29,520
Speaker 7: rap son. You know what I'm saying.

2750
02:03:29,560 --> 02:03:31,040
Speaker 8: I used to help Anoid write his shit, you know

2751
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:33,000
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. And we used to all help each other,

2752
02:03:33,120 --> 02:03:35,880
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. And then it was just like,

2753
02:03:35,960 --> 02:03:37,960
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. I'm that type of person

2754
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:41,720
Speaker 8: to try to, you know, keep the team strong and

2755
02:03:42,040 --> 02:03:45,040
Speaker 8: keep everybody together. I shot a movie for Queensbridge, you

2756
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:47,560
Speaker 8: know what I mean, called Murder Music. I put everybody's

2757
02:03:47,560 --> 02:03:50,520
Speaker 8: in the movie. Nah's, everybody's in that motherfucker, Like you

2758
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:52,400
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. That's the type of person I am.

2759
02:03:52,440 --> 02:03:54,320
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, Like, I try to do

2760
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:56,520
Speaker 8: shit the right way, get it together, and then you

2761
02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:59,560
Speaker 8: got niggas that's hate us. They don't want to see that.

2762
02:04:00,280 --> 02:04:01,760
Speaker 8: Like he ain't even from out here.

2763
02:04:01,960 --> 02:04:03,640
Speaker 3: Why was he doing that? I should be doing it?

2764
02:04:04,440 --> 02:04:05,920
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. All right, So you listened

2765
02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:06,839
Speaker 3: to the quest of Supreme.

2766
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:09,520
Speaker 1: We're into our last hour Prodigy of mob Deep and

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02:04:09,680 --> 02:04:13,360
Speaker 1: Kaffe Yonderley, journalist and co author of Prodigy's latest book,

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2769
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:24,560
Speaker 1: back after quick message from our sponsor. So, I feel

2770
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:29,760
Speaker 1: like your journey, it's probably you, of anyone has had

2771
02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:32,040
Speaker 1: a kind of a parallel journey to that of like

2772
02:04:32,120 --> 02:04:38,520
Speaker 1: Malcolm X, where like you, you had your Detroit Red experience.

2773
02:04:38,120 --> 02:04:41,440
Speaker 3: Literally Detroit, right, Oh damn, that's right.

2774
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you you you you had your your Malcolm

2775
02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:52,640
Speaker 1: little Detroit read experience. And then in two thousand and

2776
02:04:52,680 --> 02:04:57,320
Speaker 1: eight when you had to do your bid you know,

2777
02:04:57,560 --> 02:05:01,680
Speaker 1: you said and that that that really change that saved

2778
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:06,320
Speaker 1: my life. Explain that because what I want to know

2779
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:09,080
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to ask it away because I know

2780
02:05:09,160 --> 02:05:11,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people have a tendency especially in the press,

2781
02:05:12,280 --> 02:05:16,480
Speaker 1: they have a tendency to like fetishize jail. Yeah, like

2782
02:05:16,680 --> 02:05:18,720
Speaker 1: or just like people had experience, so tell me what

2783
02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:22,320
Speaker 1: was it like or whatever. But I'm I'm personally curious,

2784
02:05:22,440 --> 02:05:28,040
Speaker 1: like to be a celebrity going into that environment, like

2785
02:05:28,240 --> 02:05:30,240
Speaker 1: what is it what is your first day like when

2786
02:05:30,280 --> 02:05:31,480
Speaker 1: you're when you're going there.

2787
02:05:33,560 --> 02:05:35,080
Speaker 8: All right, let me let me just back up a

2788
02:05:35,120 --> 02:05:36,960
Speaker 8: little bit and say because I always think of it.

2789
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:39,760
Speaker 8: I always think about people comments when they you know

2790
02:05:39,800 --> 02:05:42,400
Speaker 8: what I mean, hear the podcast or like people with

2791
02:05:42,520 --> 02:05:44,760
Speaker 8: what they say, and a lot of people like to say,

2792
02:05:45,320 --> 02:05:47,120
Speaker 8: why is he talking about all this is over? It's

2793
02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:50,200
Speaker 8: in the past, Like why you keep saying It's like,

2794
02:05:50,520 --> 02:05:52,360
Speaker 8: because this is the questions I'm being.

2795
02:05:52,280 --> 02:05:54,640
Speaker 3: Asked, So I have to answer the question.

2796
02:05:55,280 --> 02:05:56,160
Speaker 7: All right, you know what I'm saying.

2797
02:05:56,240 --> 02:05:58,160
Speaker 8: I just want to make that clear real quick for

2798
02:05:58,240 --> 02:06:01,440
Speaker 8: the listeners to shuttle that call shit down, Like I'm

2799
02:06:01,480 --> 02:06:02,440
Speaker 8: being asked questions.

2800
02:06:02,520 --> 02:06:04,240
Speaker 7: That's why I'm talking about this, Like you know what

2801
02:06:04,240 --> 02:06:07,280
Speaker 7: I'm saying. And you know, I wrote a book about

2802
02:06:07,320 --> 02:06:08,280
Speaker 7: my life and my youth.

2803
02:06:08,720 --> 02:06:10,800
Speaker 8: I wrote a book about my youth and my book

2804
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:13,880
Speaker 8: it talks about all these things, and you know what

2805
02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:16,480
Speaker 8: I mean, that's my past. I'm a grown man now,

2806
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:18,600
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. So I put my I

2807
02:06:18,720 --> 02:06:20,840
Speaker 8: put my youth out there for the people so they

2808
02:06:20,840 --> 02:06:22,600
Speaker 8: could see all the fucked up shit. And now I

2809
02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:24,440
Speaker 8: grew up in all the fucked up shit that I

2810
02:06:24,520 --> 02:06:26,520
Speaker 8: did and been through, and you know what I mean,

2811
02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:29,160
Speaker 8: all the good shit and what got me to this point.

2812
02:06:30,160 --> 02:06:31,640
Speaker 7: So that's why I did this book. That's why I

2813
02:06:31,720 --> 02:06:32,720
Speaker 7: do these interviews.

2814
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:35,480
Speaker 8: And talk about past things a lot, because these are

2815
02:06:35,560 --> 02:06:37,320
Speaker 8: questions that people ask and they want to know the

2816
02:06:37,400 --> 02:06:42,080
Speaker 8: answers to. So going when I got locked up, it

2817
02:06:42,240 --> 02:06:45,920
Speaker 8: was the best thing that happened to me because at

2818
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:49,760
Speaker 8: this time I was dealing with a lot of hatred

2819
02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:53,800
Speaker 8: coming from people from certain people from Queensbridge. You know

2820
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:57,200
Speaker 8: what I mean, certain people from uh, you know, wherever, wherever,

2821
02:06:57,280 --> 02:07:00,360
Speaker 8: but mostly from Queensbridge. A couple of individuals that have

2822
02:07:00,520 --> 02:07:02,520
Speaker 8: few problems with that. They just didn't like me.

2823
02:07:02,840 --> 02:07:03,320
Speaker 3: Can I ask a.

2824
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:06,840
Speaker 1: Quick question, so after the infamous, are you still living

2825
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:08,840
Speaker 1: in the queens Bridge area or did you like we

2826
02:07:09,080 --> 02:07:10,280
Speaker 1: We probably moved.

2827
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:13,600
Speaker 8: We probably moved like around right after Infamous came out,

2828
02:07:13,600 --> 02:07:15,200
Speaker 8: you know, I mean, I was living with having Queensland

2829
02:07:15,240 --> 02:07:17,480
Speaker 8: for like two years when we was working on the

2830
02:07:17,560 --> 02:07:19,480
Speaker 8: Infamous you know what I'm saying, Right, we would stay

2831
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:21,720
Speaker 8: at his crib or that we would take the equipment

2832
02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:24,560
Speaker 8: back to Long Island Hempstead changed the scenery for a

2833
02:07:24,600 --> 02:07:26,640
Speaker 8: little while, then we go back to queens Bridge, like

2834
02:07:26,640 --> 02:07:29,440
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. So after the Infamous drop

2835
02:07:29,480 --> 02:07:31,320
Speaker 8: and we was doing tours and shit, we kind of

2836
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:33,920
Speaker 8: like but we would still go back all the time

2837
02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:35,920
Speaker 8: because that's our peoples is on the block, you know

2838
02:07:35,960 --> 02:07:37,920
Speaker 8: what I mean. And we grew up with the mentalities.

2839
02:07:37,960 --> 02:07:41,320
Speaker 8: You don't shit on your people, okay, you always take

2840
02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:42,440
Speaker 8: care of your people, like you know what I mean.

2841
02:07:42,520 --> 02:07:45,680
Speaker 8: You don't run away from problems. You don't run away

2842
02:07:46,200 --> 02:07:48,720
Speaker 8: from anything. You deal with it, You face it, you

2843
02:07:48,760 --> 02:07:50,000
Speaker 8: know what I mean, and you deal with the shit.

2844
02:07:50,080 --> 02:07:52,120
Speaker 8: That's how we grew up. So that's why I was

2845
02:07:52,160 --> 02:07:55,960
Speaker 8: still there in these communities dealing with my peoples that

2846
02:07:56,040 --> 02:07:57,920
Speaker 8: I grew up with my pizs because I'm not the

2847
02:07:57,960 --> 02:08:01,640
Speaker 8: type of person that's gonna run away from shit that

2848
02:08:01,680 --> 02:08:03,240
Speaker 8: gotta deal with, Like you know what I'm saying. So

2849
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:07,800
Speaker 8: we were just learning how to navigate, uh, being celebrity

2850
02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:08,800
Speaker 8: and all that shit, and so.

2851
02:08:08,920 --> 02:08:12,480
Speaker 1: It's never awkward going back there, even though you're obviously

2852
02:08:12,640 --> 02:08:14,760
Speaker 1: established as a celebrity rapper and.

2853
02:08:15,120 --> 02:08:17,520
Speaker 7: Nah, because that was just like home base. That was

2854
02:08:17,600 --> 02:08:19,200
Speaker 7: like the block. You know what I'm saying. We go

2855
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:21,120
Speaker 7: to the block, have fun, like drink all night.

2856
02:08:21,400 --> 02:08:21,720
Speaker 3: We used to.

2857
02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:23,600
Speaker 8: I just fall asleep on the bench, wake up in

2858
02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:25,520
Speaker 8: the morning, little kids going to school, you know what

2859
02:08:25,560 --> 02:08:28,200
Speaker 8: I'm saying, Like I'm waking up like, oh shit, Like

2860
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:29,040
Speaker 8: you know what I mean.

2861
02:08:29,120 --> 02:08:31,480
Speaker 3: So it's just like that was the block. That's why.

2862
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:34,360
Speaker 7: That's why our friends is at. We made something monumental

2863
02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:39,000
Speaker 7: from this block. We created Infamous, Mob Deep, we created

2864
02:08:39,040 --> 02:08:41,600
Speaker 7: all this shit. So this is our ship, this is

2865
02:08:41,680 --> 02:08:44,800
Speaker 7: our people, like, this is our home team. So that's

2866
02:08:44,840 --> 02:08:49,720
Speaker 7: how mentality was. But you know, after a while, you know,

2867
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:54,160
Speaker 7: we deal with a lot of jealousy people black pink

2868
02:08:54,240 --> 02:08:55,520
Speaker 7: Pee coming around with a jewelry on.

2869
02:08:55,960 --> 02:08:58,360
Speaker 8: He ain't from out here, right, Oh nigga rapping about

2870
02:08:58,360 --> 02:09:01,320
Speaker 8: my life while you rapping about my life, Like that's

2871
02:09:01,360 --> 02:09:02,840
Speaker 8: what they like to say. Like you know what I'm saying,

2872
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:05,360
Speaker 8: Rapping about my life. Everybody likes to say that that's

2873
02:09:05,400 --> 02:09:08,640
Speaker 8: so crazy. But anyway, I was dealing with people that

2874
02:09:09,200 --> 02:09:12,960
Speaker 8: didn't grow up with me. Have it, grew up with

2875
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:15,720
Speaker 8: all these people, you know all I knowying twin, they

2876
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:16,880
Speaker 8: grew up with all these niggas.

2877
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:18,360
Speaker 3: I didn't grow up with these people, you.

2878
02:09:18,360 --> 02:09:21,000
Speaker 8: Know what I'm saying. So they don't know me. I

2879
02:09:21,080 --> 02:09:24,280
Speaker 8: don't really know them. We're figuring out each other. I'm

2880
02:09:24,360 --> 02:09:28,600
Speaker 8: seeing who scared who not, who's putting pressure on people

2881
02:09:28,920 --> 02:09:30,720
Speaker 8: who're doing this. I'm like, oh, word, that's how these

2882
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:32,440
Speaker 8: niggas get dawn Like word, that's how it's.

2883
02:09:32,320 --> 02:09:33,000
Speaker 3: Out here in the world.

2884
02:09:33,320 --> 02:09:35,400
Speaker 8: Like you know what I'm saying, I'm learning. I'm kids still,

2885
02:09:35,480 --> 02:09:38,120
Speaker 8: like I'm learning as I go. And you know, we

2886
02:09:38,200 --> 02:09:39,600
Speaker 8: got to the point where we were just dealing with

2887
02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:42,360
Speaker 8: a lot of jealousy and we had to click up.

2888
02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:44,240
Speaker 8: We had to strap up, like you know what I mean,

2889
02:09:44,480 --> 02:09:47,240
Speaker 8: it's on Like we had to strap up, like we

2890
02:09:47,400 --> 02:09:50,400
Speaker 8: got beef with niggas that shoot people. You know what

2891
02:09:50,440 --> 02:09:53,920
Speaker 8: I'm saying, Like these niggas shoot people like and that's it.

2892
02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:57,560
Speaker 8: So they cut people, shoot people like That's who we

2893
02:09:57,680 --> 02:10:00,480
Speaker 8: was dealing with. So I'm protecting my myself, you know

2894
02:10:00,520 --> 02:10:02,600
Speaker 8: what I mean, I would carry the hammer. I'm not

2895
02:10:02,720 --> 02:10:05,320
Speaker 8: out doing no harm to nobody, you know what i mean.

2896
02:10:05,480 --> 02:10:08,560
Speaker 8: At this point in my life, I'm just protecting myself.

2897
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:12,040
Speaker 8: So you know, it just got bad, man. It got

2898
02:10:12,160 --> 02:10:15,560
Speaker 8: to the point where you know, I started just just

2899
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:17,600
Speaker 8: losing it, man, Like you know what I'm saying so

2900
02:10:17,720 --> 02:10:19,320
Speaker 8: much negative, negative.

2901
02:10:18,960 --> 02:10:23,680
Speaker 7: Thoughts, so much all the time, Just ready to shoot somebody.

2902
02:10:24,520 --> 02:10:27,080
Speaker 8: Every time I get out my car and walk into

2903
02:10:27,160 --> 02:10:30,040
Speaker 8: my crib or what whatever, I'm like, all right, it's

2904
02:10:30,080 --> 02:10:32,240
Speaker 8: somebody gonna try to run up on my car or

2905
02:10:32,680 --> 02:10:35,240
Speaker 8: be in the bushes or I'm on point, Like you

2906
02:10:35,280 --> 02:10:37,280
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, Like certain shit that we used

2907
02:10:37,320 --> 02:10:38,600
Speaker 8: to do to people back in the days.

2908
02:10:38,640 --> 02:10:41,000
Speaker 3: We was bad kids, Like we was bad growing up

2909
02:10:41,000 --> 02:10:43,400
Speaker 3: in high school. We was like Carma would come back there.

2910
02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:45,760
Speaker 7: We was foul niggas. We was doing foul shit to people,

2911
02:10:45,920 --> 02:10:47,000
Speaker 7: were robbing people.

2912
02:10:46,880 --> 02:10:50,600
Speaker 8: Doing foul you know, young young shit, right, So I

2913
02:10:50,680 --> 02:10:53,600
Speaker 8: got the mentality already, like that's how niggas get down,

2914
02:10:53,920 --> 02:10:56,040
Speaker 8: and I'm not gonna let that happen to me. So

2915
02:10:56,440 --> 02:10:59,320
Speaker 8: I'm like, you know, carrying guns, I'm dealing with this

2916
02:10:59,440 --> 02:11:03,920
Speaker 8: mentality or time, and that shit rots your fucking brain

2917
02:11:04,160 --> 02:11:08,760
Speaker 8: and your your spirit. That shit rots you keep thinking

2918
02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:11,000
Speaker 8: like that and keep living like that and moving like that,

2919
02:11:11,560 --> 02:11:13,960
Speaker 8: it just takes away from your spirit. Man, It just

2920
02:11:14,080 --> 02:11:16,960
Speaker 8: makes you a foul person after a while, Like you

2921
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:18,840
Speaker 8: know what I mean, because you're dealing with all this

2922
02:11:18,960 --> 02:11:21,640
Speaker 8: negativity and people saying they gonna do this to me

2923
02:11:21,720 --> 02:11:25,240
Speaker 8: when they see me and making threats, and then I

2924
02:11:25,320 --> 02:11:27,080
Speaker 8: gotta stand up for myself.

2925
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:28,720
Speaker 7: Like, nigga, you ain't doing nothing when you see me,

2926
02:11:28,920 --> 02:11:29,600
Speaker 7: Like you know what I'm saying.

2927
02:11:29,640 --> 02:11:30,680
Speaker 3: And that's just what it was.

2928
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:35,280
Speaker 8: So unfortunately, this is the you know, the crazy life

2929
02:11:36,120 --> 02:11:37,920
Speaker 8: that I was growing up living and the shit that

2930
02:11:37,960 --> 02:11:39,920
Speaker 8: I had to deal with, and it got to the

2931
02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:42,440
Speaker 8: point where you know, I was just out of control,

2932
02:11:42,600 --> 02:11:46,800
Speaker 8: man smoking, man weig, just drinking heavily, like I was

2933
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:49,680
Speaker 8: already learned that shit fucks up my sicker cell when

2934
02:11:49,720 --> 02:11:53,440
Speaker 8: I do that. But I was so angry and just

2935
02:11:53,560 --> 02:11:57,880
Speaker 8: wanting to hurt somebody, just always like trickle finger, itchy,

2936
02:11:58,000 --> 02:12:01,400
Speaker 8: like ready to show a nigga, like don't play with me,

2937
02:12:01,600 --> 02:12:03,760
Speaker 8: like I'm just trying to. I'm going about my business,

2938
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:06,800
Speaker 8: doing my music I'm making my money. Don't come over

2939
02:12:06,840 --> 02:12:08,560
Speaker 8: here playing with my life, you know what I'm saying,

2940
02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:10,640
Speaker 8: because you're gonna find out what happens.

2941
02:12:11,160 --> 02:12:12,680
Speaker 3: So this is my mentality every day.

2942
02:12:12,760 --> 02:12:14,880
Speaker 8: And that's just started to like I said, it started

2943
02:12:14,920 --> 02:12:17,680
Speaker 8: to ride away in my spirit, my brain. Everything was

2944
02:12:17,800 --> 02:12:20,520
Speaker 8: just like h it felt disgusting. And I didn't realize

2945
02:12:21,480 --> 02:12:24,040
Speaker 8: how disgusting it was until I got caught with the

2946
02:12:24,080 --> 02:12:25,960
Speaker 8: gun in my car, got locked up, and I just

2947
02:12:25,960 --> 02:12:30,040
Speaker 8: started thinking about everything, like damn, just just living that

2948
02:12:30,200 --> 02:12:33,760
Speaker 8: life and just not thinking being young minded, and it

2949
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:35,200
Speaker 8: was just it was just bad.

2950
02:12:35,320 --> 02:12:36,400
Speaker 3: It wasn't good, man.

2951
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:38,960
Speaker 8: It was I was I was gonna eventually get killed

2952
02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:42,640
Speaker 8: or some or I was gonna kill somebody or hurt out,

2953
02:12:42,640 --> 02:12:43,680
Speaker 8: and I would have went to jail.

2954
02:12:44,240 --> 02:12:46,040
Speaker 7: One of the other was definitely gonna happen.

2955
02:12:46,280 --> 02:12:49,400
Speaker 8: That was definitely, for sure, one thousand percent gonna happen

2956
02:12:49,680 --> 02:12:51,440
Speaker 8: eventually if I didn't go to jail. You know what

2957
02:12:51,480 --> 02:12:56,040
Speaker 8: I'm saying. It was like serious, and it's sad to

2958
02:12:56,080 --> 02:12:57,280
Speaker 8: say it's like that, you know what I mean? And

2959
02:12:57,400 --> 02:12:59,160
Speaker 8: I know a lot of people who listen to this interview,

2960
02:12:59,240 --> 02:13:01,240
Speaker 8: Like I said on the album, like you know what

2961
02:13:01,240 --> 02:13:01,480
Speaker 8: I mean.

2962
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:04,760
Speaker 3: Pete think he tough? Pee talking tough? Nah, you real.

2963
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:06,440
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I think it's tough.

2964
02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:08,680
Speaker 8: But I like to address the people that think that

2965
02:13:08,880 --> 02:13:11,280
Speaker 8: so they can hear me say that. So save your

2966
02:13:11,320 --> 02:13:14,400
Speaker 8: little pee think he tough comment, because I'm already ahead

2967
02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:17,080
Speaker 8: of you. Though I know that's what you're thinking. I doubt.

2968
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:23,240
Speaker 3: We have a bunch of nervous some people.

2969
02:13:23,400 --> 02:13:24,800
Speaker 8: They hear that and they be like, oh this. You know,

2970
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:26,800
Speaker 8: this guy think he's talking tough. He trying to make

2971
02:13:26,840 --> 02:13:29,400
Speaker 8: his he trying to portray his life that something that

2972
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:31,440
Speaker 8: is not. I'm just being honest with you.

2973
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:32,560
Speaker 3: You know what it was.

2974
02:13:32,640 --> 02:13:34,560
Speaker 1: I really thank you for this, because the thing is

2975
02:13:34,680 --> 02:13:39,200
Speaker 1: that hip hop really doesn't allow for its figures to

2976
02:13:39,320 --> 02:13:43,560
Speaker 1: come uh in a kind of a three dimensional, flesh

2977
02:13:43,600 --> 02:13:47,160
Speaker 1: and blood tone like this is the first time I'm

2978
02:13:47,240 --> 02:13:50,560
Speaker 1: really hearing your story. Like I've known of you for

2979
02:13:50,760 --> 02:13:53,920
Speaker 1: twenty plus years as an artist, and I've read lots

2980
02:13:53,960 --> 02:13:59,960
Speaker 1: of articles, but you know, I've never ever known about

2981
02:14:00,200 --> 02:14:02,240
Speaker 1: your life or your experiences like this is the first

2982
02:14:02,280 --> 02:14:06,240
Speaker 1: time I'm really, really really hearing you as a human being,

2983
02:14:06,520 --> 02:14:09,680
Speaker 1: even speaking complete sentences. So no, no, no, I mean

2984
02:14:09,720 --> 02:14:12,320
Speaker 1: I think the contrary. I think, if anything, you know,

2985
02:14:12,520 --> 02:14:19,440
Speaker 1: it's more you really showing a human side to your

2986
02:14:19,480 --> 02:14:20,920
Speaker 1: life journey and your experiences.

2987
02:14:21,680 --> 02:14:25,520
Speaker 8: You know, I was going down a a bad role

2988
02:14:25,680 --> 02:14:28,680
Speaker 8: man because it was just like shit was escalating, The

2989
02:14:28,840 --> 02:14:32,680
Speaker 8: drama was escalating, the threats people were making threats to

2990
02:14:32,800 --> 02:14:37,040
Speaker 8: us was escalating. Like it was getting really crazy, especially

2991
02:14:37,080 --> 02:14:39,120
Speaker 8: with at the gu and the deal and the money

2992
02:14:39,200 --> 02:14:41,320
Speaker 8: got even bigger. A lot of people was like, all

2993
02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:43,680
Speaker 8: these niggas are stupid. While they signed fifty, now they

2994
02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:45,640
Speaker 8: looking as like we stupid. They don't even understand that

2995
02:14:46,160 --> 02:14:47,840
Speaker 8: we got a relationship with fifty, Like you know what

2996
02:14:47,880 --> 02:14:51,040
Speaker 8: I'm saying, Fifty from sulf Side, just like my family,

2997
02:14:51,560 --> 02:14:53,080
Speaker 8: Like you know what I'm saying, Like we got friends

2998
02:14:53,120 --> 02:14:55,000
Speaker 8: in common, you know what I mean that, Like me

2999
02:14:55,080 --> 02:14:56,680
Speaker 8: and fifty got friends in Carmon, Like you know what

3000
02:14:56,680 --> 02:14:57,080
Speaker 8: I'm saying.

3001
02:14:58,680 --> 02:14:59,640
Speaker 3: It was just meant to be.

3002
02:15:00,080 --> 02:15:00,640
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

3003
02:15:00,920 --> 02:15:03,080
Speaker 8: He got in a position where he was able to

3004
02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:05,600
Speaker 8: put you on, reach back in to some of his

3005
02:15:05,760 --> 02:15:08,240
Speaker 8: favorite all this or whatever, and he was like, mom, deep,

3006
02:15:08,360 --> 02:15:09,560
Speaker 8: come on, you coming with me.

3007
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:10,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Come on?

3008
02:15:11,160 --> 02:15:14,120
Speaker 7: We was like hold up, you know what I'm saying,

3009
02:15:14,240 --> 02:15:16,000
Speaker 7: Like what we're gonna get out of this?

3010
02:15:16,240 --> 02:15:17,520
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? He was like, You're gonna

3011
02:15:17,520 --> 02:15:18,440
Speaker 3: get this. You're gonna get this.

3012
02:15:18,520 --> 02:15:20,040
Speaker 7: You're gonna get this. We was like, where do we

3013
02:15:20,160 --> 02:15:20,640
Speaker 7: sign up?

3014
02:15:20,920 --> 02:15:21,600
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?

3015
02:15:21,760 --> 02:15:23,200
Speaker 7: Like, we was like, where do we sign up?

3016
02:15:23,320 --> 02:15:25,880
Speaker 3: I was queen. I was. I was one of the people.

3017
02:15:26,240 --> 02:15:28,480
Speaker 3: It's funny. I was on the people like years ago,

3018
02:15:29,120 --> 02:15:30,880
Speaker 3: uh that I wrote a review.

3019
02:15:30,960 --> 02:15:33,800
Speaker 4: It wasn't even review. I was just on our little

3020
02:15:33,880 --> 02:15:37,080
Speaker 4: website and I was talking about the album.

3021
02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:37,480
Speaker 7: I know.

3022
02:15:39,200 --> 02:15:41,000
Speaker 5: What it was.

3023
02:15:41,400 --> 02:15:43,360
Speaker 3: Okay, I was on the lawn. It was like just

3024
02:15:43,680 --> 02:15:47,640
Speaker 3: just right, but then the lawn. But then it went

3025
02:15:47,720 --> 02:15:53,040
Speaker 3: to okay player and then no, I was just a dude.

3026
02:15:53,080 --> 02:15:55,440
Speaker 4: I'm all my message, but were just talking whatever. I'm like, man,

3027
02:15:55,440 --> 02:15:57,400
Speaker 4: ain't nobody gonna read this ship. It's like thirty people

3028
02:15:57,480 --> 02:16:00,680
Speaker 4: here whatever. Then this ship goes okay player. Then like

3029
02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:05,160
Speaker 4: two three days later XXL, this is mom, what the

3030
02:16:05,280 --> 02:16:08,080
Speaker 4: fuck are you serious? So then like a couple of

3031
02:16:08,160 --> 02:16:09,960
Speaker 4: years later it was I guess it was right before

3032
02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:12,680
Speaker 4: you went in and like he wrote, he wrote a blog.

3033
02:16:12,760 --> 02:16:14,080
Speaker 3: He was like, you know what I'm saying.

3034
02:16:14,200 --> 02:16:14,400
Speaker 5: He was.

3035
02:16:14,600 --> 02:16:16,320
Speaker 3: He was like, this is me back. I was like, okay,

3036
02:16:16,360 --> 02:16:23,680
Speaker 3: well else so so then like it's like for guests

3037
02:16:23,720 --> 02:16:24,120
Speaker 3: in a row.

3038
02:16:25,560 --> 02:16:37,320
Speaker 4: So dude, so so and be and you this is

3039
02:16:37,360 --> 02:16:39,640
Speaker 4: our first time like really talking talking like we met

3040
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:41,760
Speaker 4: like once I met you once an OL's crib like

3041
02:16:42,040 --> 02:16:45,360
Speaker 4: years ago. But but yeah, but we was, uh this

3042
02:16:45,480 --> 02:16:49,320
Speaker 4: first time we really talked. And so afterwards the joint

3043
02:16:49,400 --> 02:16:51,320
Speaker 4: came out and then you did the blog and then

3044
02:16:51,320 --> 02:16:54,240
Speaker 4: you went on your in your bid. So then Ol

3045
02:16:54,360 --> 02:16:55,440
Speaker 4: was on tour with us for a minute.

3046
02:16:55,480 --> 02:16:56,000
Speaker 3: We was touring.

3047
02:16:56,240 --> 02:16:59,480
Speaker 4: Uh it was LB little brother and Evidence was with

3048
02:16:59,640 --> 02:17:02,160
Speaker 4: us and he our with and so being out on

3049
02:17:02,240 --> 02:17:04,640
Speaker 4: the bus like we just chopping up about everything, were

3050
02:17:04,680 --> 02:17:07,600
Speaker 4: just talking whatever and he was he asked me, He's like, yo,

3051
02:17:07,840 --> 02:17:10,400
Speaker 4: the the album, Like Yo, why you go? I was like, dog,

3052
02:17:10,520 --> 02:17:13,760
Speaker 4: it wasn't that, I said, first off, I did you know,

3053
02:17:14,520 --> 02:17:16,920
Speaker 4: listen back to it? Like at that point, I said,

3054
02:17:16,959 --> 02:17:20,680
Speaker 4: it was better much like Phrenology. I think it aged

3055
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:22,879
Speaker 4: better than it was than it did.

3056
02:17:23,480 --> 02:17:25,440
Speaker 3: Critique the album myself.

3057
02:17:25,440 --> 02:17:26,680
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying. When I when I read

3058
02:17:26,720 --> 02:17:28,560
Speaker 8: what you had said, it made me think that shi

3059
02:17:28,600 --> 02:17:30,920
Speaker 8: it hit me. I was like he said, he said,

3060
02:17:31,040 --> 02:17:32,280
Speaker 8: we got rich and stopped trying.

3061
02:17:40,280 --> 02:17:45,920
Speaker 1: When I suggested yesterday, I suggested that gonna be on

3062
02:17:45,959 --> 02:17:49,680
Speaker 1: the show your first start. I was like, I was like, okay,

3063
02:17:50,000 --> 02:17:51,600
Speaker 1: but but it weren't gonna.

3064
02:17:51,400 --> 02:17:53,600
Speaker 9: Be nothing if it's real, beef.

3065
02:17:56,320 --> 02:17:59,080
Speaker 3: Was I was just like, it's not like. It ain't

3066
02:17:59,120 --> 02:17:59,280
Speaker 3: like that.

3067
02:18:00,920 --> 02:18:02,960
Speaker 8: But when you said, Look, when you said that, it

3068
02:18:03,080 --> 02:18:05,680
Speaker 8: made me think, like and being being locked up that

3069
02:18:05,720 --> 02:18:07,600
Speaker 8: shit just made me think about everything. Made me think

3070
02:18:07,600 --> 02:18:10,440
Speaker 8: about life and decisions that we would make in just everything,

3071
02:18:11,080 --> 02:18:13,200
Speaker 8: because you know, I'm sitting there without nothing else to

3072
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:14,880
Speaker 8: do but think, so I'm not just thinking about my

3073
02:18:14,920 --> 02:18:15,920
Speaker 8: own life and decisions.

3074
02:18:15,959 --> 02:18:17,199
Speaker 3: We made business decisions.

3075
02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:20,320
Speaker 7: And then I read I read that, and I would

3076
02:18:20,360 --> 02:18:22,720
Speaker 7: listen to the album and hear other people talk about

3077
02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:23,920
Speaker 7: it was mad.

3078
02:18:23,840 --> 02:18:26,680
Speaker 8: We signed a gu on it, but that but you

3079
02:18:26,760 --> 02:18:28,879
Speaker 8: were coming from a different perspective. It was other people

3080
02:18:29,040 --> 02:18:31,200
Speaker 8: that was like just mad we signed G and they like,

3081
02:18:31,280 --> 02:18:33,320
Speaker 8: y'all mom yo, I was. I was on Ah Street

3082
02:18:33,320 --> 02:18:35,720
Speaker 8: one day and this old black lady, she had to

3083
02:18:35,800 --> 02:18:38,280
Speaker 8: be like seventy years old, she seen me.

3084
02:18:38,560 --> 02:18:43,440
Speaker 3: She was like prodig No. I was like yeah, she

3085
02:18:43,600 --> 02:18:46,400
Speaker 3: was like, yo, why the fuck y'all signed I said

3086
02:18:48,680 --> 02:18:49,520
Speaker 3: that shit shocked down.

3087
02:18:51,080 --> 02:18:53,039
Speaker 8: I was like, yo, she was like, y'all mob deep.

3088
02:18:53,120 --> 02:18:55,440
Speaker 8: Y'all supposed to be just mob deep. You don't sign

3089
02:18:55,600 --> 02:18:58,119
Speaker 8: nobody else. I'm like, yo, it's just a business move

3090
02:18:58,160 --> 02:19:01,280
Speaker 8: like on me, like it's a queen's think, like nah nah.

3091
02:19:01,959 --> 02:19:05,000
Speaker 3: She was upset what it was. As a fan, it

3092
02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:07,480
Speaker 3: made sense for me, like I thought he was from Queens.

3093
02:19:07,520 --> 02:19:08,840
Speaker 3: They from Queens. He looking out.

3094
02:19:08,920 --> 02:19:10,680
Speaker 4: I got that, I guess just for me at that

3095
02:19:10,800 --> 02:19:12,640
Speaker 4: time as a family grant, this is ten years ago,

3096
02:19:12,720 --> 02:19:14,360
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. We all have grown whatever

3097
02:19:14,400 --> 02:19:14,720
Speaker 4: it is then.

3098
02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:16,800
Speaker 3: But my thing was because y'all was coming off the

3099
02:19:17,400 --> 02:19:19,800
Speaker 3: Free Agents Joint and that was my ship.

3100
02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:24,800
Speaker 7: I was like, yo, actually we was coming off America's.

3101
02:19:26,920 --> 02:19:28,280
Speaker 3: That's right. It was a job, That's right. It was

3102
02:19:28,280 --> 02:19:29,360
Speaker 3: because we went from jobs.

3103
02:19:33,080 --> 02:19:34,840
Speaker 4: And so with that, I was just like, I mean,

3104
02:19:35,080 --> 02:19:37,720
Speaker 4: the stuff that y'all was doing with alchemists, particularly like

3105
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:40,240
Speaker 4: you and Alchemi, is just the chemistry y'all had and

3106
02:19:40,400 --> 02:19:42,440
Speaker 4: still have, like with Return of the Mac.

3107
02:19:42,480 --> 02:19:45,959
Speaker 3: And I was like, yo, they just do that. I'm like, man.

3108
02:19:46,280 --> 02:19:48,640
Speaker 4: So then so for me, just coming from that perspective

3109
02:19:48,640 --> 02:19:50,360
Speaker 4: where I said that got riches I was just like,

3110
02:19:50,520 --> 02:19:52,840
Speaker 4: man like, to me, it just felt like like I

3111
02:19:52,959 --> 02:19:56,320
Speaker 4: understood on paper and business wise wise work, but just

3112
02:19:56,400 --> 02:19:59,039
Speaker 4: to me, just as a true hardcore fan.

3113
02:19:58,959 --> 02:20:01,680
Speaker 8: I was just like, and they could have just did them.

3114
02:20:01,720 --> 02:20:03,959
Speaker 8: When I thought about it, I was like, he was right.

3115
02:20:05,440 --> 02:20:09,400
Speaker 8: Because I'm sitting there listening to Yo. I examined that

3116
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:12,640
Speaker 8: album that you Union album. We did so much, And

3117
02:20:12,800 --> 02:20:14,240
Speaker 8: what I got out of it is when I when

3118
02:20:14,240 --> 02:20:16,880
Speaker 8: I was in jail, when I was just like listening

3119
02:20:16,920 --> 02:20:18,720
Speaker 8: to it and listening to it and trying to figure

3120
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:20,600
Speaker 8: out why people were saying things that they were saying,

3121
02:20:20,640 --> 02:20:23,480
Speaker 8: and I was like, I was like, Okay, the first

3122
02:20:23,520 --> 02:20:25,920
Speaker 8: thing I noticed that it was too much G on

3123
02:20:26,000 --> 02:20:26,600
Speaker 8: it on the album.

3124
02:20:26,879 --> 02:20:28,560
Speaker 7: They was on almost every song.

3125
02:20:29,080 --> 02:20:31,480
Speaker 8: I didn't realize that whow with making it, we were

3126
02:20:31,560 --> 02:20:33,960
Speaker 8: just having fun, like oh Ship, come on do this,

3127
02:20:34,120 --> 02:20:35,879
Speaker 8: Oh Buck, come on, Buck, get on this song.

3128
02:20:36,640 --> 02:20:37,920
Speaker 3: You know, Banks get on this one. Like you know

3129
02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:38,320
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

3130
02:20:38,360 --> 02:20:41,680
Speaker 8: We're not even thinking, like we're just having fun moving

3131
02:20:42,520 --> 02:20:44,880
Speaker 8: so but you know, being in jail, sitting there with

3132
02:20:45,000 --> 02:20:47,440
Speaker 8: nothing to do, I'm just like listening analyzing the album,

3133
02:20:47,440 --> 02:20:51,080
Speaker 8: I'm like, oh, okay, it's too they on too many songs.

3134
02:20:51,440 --> 02:20:54,080
Speaker 8: Not only that, but it was it was too many,

3135
02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:58,240
Speaker 8: like beats from like outsiders that wasn't really like mob

3136
02:20:58,360 --> 02:20:59,440
Speaker 8: deep sound and beats, you know.

3137
02:20:59,400 --> 02:20:59,720
Speaker 9: What I mean.

3138
02:21:00,040 --> 02:21:02,200
Speaker 7: But we didn't realize that while we sitting there making it.

3139
02:21:02,280 --> 02:21:05,840
Speaker 3: We was like so caught up on the G five

3140
02:21:06,200 --> 02:21:08,200
Speaker 3: on going up to it, and we like, you know,

3141
02:21:08,360 --> 02:21:10,120
Speaker 3: we were just living a high life, like you know

3142
02:21:10,160 --> 02:21:10,600
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

3143
02:21:10,680 --> 02:21:13,600
Speaker 8: Like we was already used to, you know, having fun,

3144
02:21:13,800 --> 02:21:15,600
Speaker 8: living that life on the road, but now it was

3145
02:21:15,760 --> 02:21:18,600
Speaker 8: just like living that life on stepoids, like you know

3146
02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:20,360
Speaker 8: what I'm saying, with the inner school money now and

3147
02:21:20,480 --> 02:21:24,039
Speaker 8: the big budget and the private jets and arenas every night,

3148
02:21:24,160 --> 02:21:24,440
Speaker 8: like you know.

3149
02:21:24,440 --> 02:21:24,720
Speaker 11: What I mean.

3150
02:21:24,840 --> 02:21:29,120
Speaker 7: So we was just lost, man, Like we was lost

3151
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:30,400
Speaker 7: at that point, like you know what I mean.

3152
02:21:30,440 --> 02:21:35,160
Speaker 8: And I was officially lost because I'm already I already

3153
02:21:35,160 --> 02:21:38,960
Speaker 8: got the attitude like I gotta defend myself like it's

3154
02:21:39,080 --> 02:21:42,039
Speaker 8: mad threats going on. So the threats is even higher

3155
02:21:42,080 --> 02:21:43,720
Speaker 8: that because they know we got bread. They know we

3156
02:21:44,080 --> 02:21:46,360
Speaker 8: you know, fifty, I bought a bulletproof truck. I'm like

3157
02:21:46,480 --> 02:21:48,280
Speaker 8: these niggas know what I'm saying. I'm like fifty moving

3158
02:21:48,360 --> 02:21:50,560
Speaker 8: right I'm about to do the same thing because we

3159
02:21:50,680 --> 02:21:53,000
Speaker 8: getting threats like that, and we kind of got beef

3160
02:21:53,080 --> 02:21:54,800
Speaker 8: with like the same niggas almost like you know what

3161
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:55,040
Speaker 8: I mean.

3162
02:21:55,200 --> 02:21:58,560
Speaker 3: So it was like, you know, I just wasn't living right.

3163
02:21:58,720 --> 02:22:03,440
Speaker 8: So not living right plus access to all of that,

3164
02:22:04,440 --> 02:22:07,560
Speaker 8: no money and high life, it was just like a

3165
02:22:07,720 --> 02:22:09,000
Speaker 8: recipe for disaster.

3166
02:22:09,360 --> 02:22:10,000
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

3167
02:22:10,160 --> 02:22:12,600
Speaker 7: I was I was gone. I was gone, dog, you

3168
02:22:12,640 --> 02:22:14,160
Speaker 7: know what I mean? Like, I was gone.

3169
02:22:14,320 --> 02:22:16,720
Speaker 3: So I had to get locked up that first that

3170
02:22:16,920 --> 02:22:18,440
Speaker 3: first week or the first day, like.

3171
02:22:20,360 --> 02:22:24,360
Speaker 1: It is the goal just to be under the radar

3172
02:22:25,200 --> 02:22:29,120
Speaker 1: and do your time or like for people that are

3173
02:22:29,200 --> 02:22:32,959
Speaker 1: notable and and doing time. Is there a thing where

3174
02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:35,120
Speaker 1: the judge is like, okay, I know, because I know

3175
02:22:35,240 --> 02:22:38,760
Speaker 1: in Tupac's case he was they gladly threw him in

3176
02:22:38,840 --> 02:22:41,080
Speaker 1: Jim Pop, Like all right, you go to Jim Pop,

3177
02:22:41,520 --> 02:22:41,879
Speaker 1: no no.

3178
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:44,160
Speaker 3: Protection, you know what I'm saying. So is it a

3179
02:22:44,240 --> 02:22:44,920
Speaker 3: thing where.

3180
02:22:46,720 --> 02:22:48,920
Speaker 1: Like what is your goal or what is your thought

3181
02:22:49,040 --> 02:22:53,400
Speaker 1: mentality that first week there, especially with your condition, which

3182
02:22:53,480 --> 02:22:54,359
Speaker 1: leads to the book.

3183
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:57,720
Speaker 7: Which when I when I got locked up, when I

3184
02:22:57,840 --> 02:22:59,320
Speaker 7: realized I had to go to jail.

3185
02:22:59,280 --> 02:23:01,720
Speaker 8: And serve three and a half years and I got

3186
02:23:01,800 --> 02:23:05,280
Speaker 8: locked up. I was like, all right, need to deal

3187
02:23:05,320 --> 02:23:07,480
Speaker 8: with this, right, I gotta do this time, you know

3188
02:23:07,560 --> 02:23:09,120
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. And I went in there with the

3189
02:23:09,200 --> 02:23:12,160
Speaker 8: attitude like you know, I don't want to make friends

3190
02:23:12,600 --> 02:23:15,000
Speaker 8: like you said, fly under the radar through my time,

3191
02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:17,960
Speaker 8: get the forge out of there, get my shit. And

3192
02:23:18,200 --> 02:23:20,200
Speaker 8: I went in there with the mentality to get my

3193
02:23:20,280 --> 02:23:21,119
Speaker 8: shit together.

3194
02:23:21,400 --> 02:23:23,000
Speaker 3: Because I already knew what my problem was.

3195
02:23:23,040 --> 02:23:26,720
Speaker 8: I already knew what the downfall was as far as

3196
02:23:27,280 --> 02:23:29,400
Speaker 8: like streak shit I was going through in my health

3197
02:23:29,560 --> 02:23:31,640
Speaker 8: and just my spirituality.

3198
02:23:31,920 --> 02:23:33,760
Speaker 3: I was my spirit wasn't right, you know what I mean.

3199
02:23:33,879 --> 02:23:36,200
Speaker 8: So I went in there with the plans to get

3200
02:23:36,360 --> 02:23:39,280
Speaker 8: my spirit together, get my body together, get my health

3201
02:23:39,320 --> 02:23:42,560
Speaker 8: in order come and try to come out a better person.

3202
02:23:43,200 --> 02:23:44,920
Speaker 7: So I really went in there and went to school

3203
02:23:45,000 --> 02:23:47,240
Speaker 7: with my I went to school to learn myself.

3204
02:23:47,440 --> 02:23:50,440
Speaker 8: How much time did you have to prepare from the

3205
02:23:50,480 --> 02:23:54,000
Speaker 8: time that your sentence to the time that you're going

3206
02:23:54,080 --> 02:23:56,360
Speaker 8: in because I know that you have a family take

3207
02:23:56,400 --> 02:23:58,280
Speaker 8: cut care of and that sort of thing. So it

3208
02:23:58,400 --> 02:24:01,840
Speaker 8: was like it was about maybe a few months, like

3209
02:24:01,959 --> 02:24:04,080
Speaker 8: three four months maybe, okay, you know what I mean?

3210
02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:07,360
Speaker 8: And Yeah, I went in there with the attitude like

3211
02:24:07,400 --> 02:24:09,280
Speaker 8: I'm going in here to get my shit together.

3212
02:24:09,720 --> 02:24:10,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna learn.

3213
02:24:10,400 --> 02:24:14,440
Speaker 8: I'm gonna discipline myself as far as diet, as far

3214
02:24:14,560 --> 02:24:19,160
Speaker 8: as uh, you know, just spirituality, my thoughts, you know

3215
02:24:19,200 --> 02:24:20,920
Speaker 8: what I mean. I started reading a lot of books

3216
02:24:20,959 --> 02:24:23,840
Speaker 8: on you know, your thought patterns, and you know that

3217
02:24:24,320 --> 02:24:26,959
Speaker 8: if you have negative thoughts to change it immediately into

3218
02:24:27,040 --> 02:24:31,040
Speaker 8: something positive. And once you practice, when you practice that,

3219
02:24:31,760 --> 02:24:33,800
Speaker 8: it becomes normal. You know what I'm saying. Once you

3220
02:24:33,920 --> 02:24:36,480
Speaker 8: practice getting rid of negative thoughts as soon as you think,

3221
02:24:36,520 --> 02:24:40,280
Speaker 8: it becomes normal. And just you know everything, man, just

3222
02:24:40,320 --> 02:24:42,520
Speaker 8: getting better with myself and just trying to become a

3223
02:24:42,560 --> 02:24:45,120
Speaker 8: better person. And like I said, I was listening to

3224
02:24:45,240 --> 02:24:48,120
Speaker 8: the albums and seeing what we did wrong, what we

3225
02:24:48,240 --> 02:24:51,240
Speaker 8: was doing right. I was just analyzing everything, like and

3226
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:53,680
Speaker 8: it took me some time to adjust because I was

3227
02:24:53,720 --> 02:24:56,360
Speaker 8: writing blogs and you know what I mean, still popping

3228
02:24:56,360 --> 02:24:59,119
Speaker 8: shit and talking crazy shit. But then after a while

3229
02:24:59,240 --> 02:25:00,920
Speaker 8: started being like, Okay.

3230
02:25:00,760 --> 02:25:03,280
Speaker 3: I'm going about this all wrong. You know what I'm saying.

3231
02:25:03,320 --> 02:25:06,680
Speaker 8: I gotta I gotta be more, you know, I gotta

3232
02:25:06,720 --> 02:25:08,720
Speaker 8: be more humble, humbling, like you know what I'm saying,

3233
02:25:08,840 --> 02:25:11,720
Speaker 8: humble myself from calm down, and you know what I'm saying.

3234
02:25:12,040 --> 02:25:13,880
Speaker 8: I was sitting in the date room one day with

3235
02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:16,000
Speaker 8: my one of my young homies in there, his name

3236
02:25:16,080 --> 02:25:19,760
Speaker 8: is Fresh, and were watching BT and somebody video came

3237
02:25:19,800 --> 02:25:21,240
Speaker 8: on and I was, man, that shit is garbage.

3238
02:25:21,280 --> 02:25:21,879
Speaker 3: You like this shit?

3239
02:25:22,600 --> 02:25:24,520
Speaker 8: He was like, yo, Pee, why you say everything is

3240
02:25:24,600 --> 02:25:27,879
Speaker 8: garbage when you're like, like, give people a chance. Son,

3241
02:25:28,120 --> 02:25:30,040
Speaker 8: He's like, why you don't give nobody a chance? Like

3242
02:25:30,720 --> 02:25:32,720
Speaker 8: when he said he said he was dead serious and

3243
02:25:32,800 --> 02:25:33,640
Speaker 8: said it just like that.

3244
02:25:34,160 --> 02:25:34,280
Speaker 5: Now.

3245
02:25:34,400 --> 02:25:36,400
Speaker 8: He made me look at myself. I never thought about that.

3246
02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:39,360
Speaker 8: I was like, I was like, damn you right, Like

3247
02:25:39,480 --> 02:25:40,120
Speaker 8: I never like.

3248
02:25:40,480 --> 02:25:41,240
Speaker 3: I was like, you're right.

3249
02:25:41,560 --> 02:25:43,039
Speaker 8: He was like, Yo, the dude just trying to get

3250
02:25:43,040 --> 02:25:45,879
Speaker 8: his money. My niggas like everybody, you know, not the same,

3251
02:25:46,680 --> 02:25:50,199
Speaker 8: everybody got different tastes. Just let that man get his money,

3252
02:25:50,320 --> 02:25:51,680
Speaker 8: like stop shitting on everybody.

3253
02:25:51,800 --> 02:25:53,600
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying. And it made me.

3254
02:25:53,840 --> 02:25:56,640
Speaker 8: That shit made me. That shit changed me. I was like, oh,

3255
02:25:56,959 --> 02:25:58,360
Speaker 8: I was like, I never thought of it like that.

3256
02:25:58,840 --> 02:26:00,920
Speaker 8: Somebody nobody ever said that to me before. You know

3257
02:26:00,959 --> 02:26:03,680
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. They were just letting me be me.

3258
02:26:04,080 --> 02:26:06,120
Speaker 8: No one challenged you, right, didn't never say that was

3259
02:26:06,160 --> 02:26:08,039
Speaker 8: wrong with you? Like why you shut the fuck up?

3260
02:26:08,200 --> 02:26:10,160
Speaker 8: Like you know what I'm saying, Let that man get

3261
02:26:10,200 --> 02:26:12,080
Speaker 8: his money, like you know what I'm saying. And I

3262
02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:14,800
Speaker 8: was made me look at myself. I felt stupid when

3263
02:26:14,840 --> 02:26:16,600
Speaker 8: he said that, you know what I mean. I was like, damn,

3264
02:26:16,920 --> 02:26:18,760
Speaker 8: I had the wrong attitude this whole time.

3265
02:26:19,440 --> 02:26:20,040
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

3266
02:26:20,160 --> 02:26:25,600
Speaker 1: Now, how does how does someone survive in that system

3267
02:26:26,600 --> 02:26:31,760
Speaker 1: with uh dietary restrictions? Like is it possible to be

3268
02:26:32,040 --> 02:26:36,680
Speaker 1: a vegan in jail or a vegetarian? And does the

3269
02:26:36,800 --> 02:26:44,160
Speaker 1: private prison complex even allow for those types of foods

3270
02:26:44,320 --> 02:26:47,320
Speaker 1: to for you to even have access to that?

3271
02:26:48,840 --> 02:26:49,000
Speaker 3: Well?

3272
02:26:49,040 --> 02:26:52,000
Speaker 7: Everyoneor do they care? Every prison is different.

3273
02:26:52,800 --> 02:26:56,200
Speaker 8: Every prison allowed different things, and every prison you know,

3274
02:26:56,360 --> 02:26:59,879
Speaker 8: won't allow certain things, and so every prison is different.

3275
02:27:00,080 --> 02:27:03,400
Speaker 7: One will let you know, a whole chicken, and the

3276
02:27:03,480 --> 02:27:05,160
Speaker 7: other they won't let you let it in.

3277
02:27:05,240 --> 02:27:06,200
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. It's just so.

3278
02:27:08,400 --> 02:27:11,880
Speaker 8: You have and like the packaging, the way it's packaged,

3279
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:16,000
Speaker 8: the way it's sealed, the color on the packaging, Like every.

3280
02:27:15,920 --> 02:27:16,800
Speaker 3: Jail is different.

3281
02:27:17,480 --> 02:27:19,520
Speaker 8: It's real specific, you know what I mean, for each

3282
02:27:19,800 --> 02:27:21,959
Speaker 8: individual jet some jails you can have CDs.

3283
02:27:22,959 --> 02:27:25,560
Speaker 7: Other jails you can't have CDs. You only have cassettes.

3284
02:27:26,280 --> 02:27:28,680
Speaker 7: Some jails, you know what I mean, that's they still

3285
02:27:28,720 --> 02:27:30,680
Speaker 7: got Yeah, they still got cossetts.

3286
02:27:31,080 --> 02:27:31,800
Speaker 3: In certain jails.

3287
02:27:31,840 --> 02:27:37,000
Speaker 7: You canna only have cassettes because they I was in mistake.

3288
02:27:38,600 --> 02:27:41,640
Speaker 8: As far as that from it's like four hours four

3289
02:27:41,720 --> 02:27:44,120
Speaker 8: hours from here, okay, driving up, you know what I mean?

3290
02:27:44,760 --> 02:27:47,280
Speaker 7: And uh yeah, so every every prison is different.

3291
02:27:47,320 --> 02:27:49,320
Speaker 8: The food that they that they serve, you know what

3292
02:27:49,320 --> 02:27:51,720
Speaker 8: I'm saying, and what they allow in the package from

3293
02:27:51,760 --> 02:27:56,880
Speaker 8: your family, it's all different. So you know, they have

3294
02:27:57,000 --> 02:28:00,360
Speaker 8: a special diet in prison for like kosha kosha or

3295
02:28:00,680 --> 02:28:03,440
Speaker 8: halal diet, you know what I mean. You got to

3296
02:28:03,520 --> 02:28:05,640
Speaker 8: prove that you know, that's your religion, and you got

3297
02:28:05,760 --> 02:28:07,240
Speaker 8: to have a special diet sugar.

3298
02:28:08,320 --> 02:28:10,080
Speaker 5: Because one of my prisoner friends asked me, were you

3299
02:28:10,160 --> 02:28:12,200
Speaker 5: going to do a book for the folks to mean

3300
02:28:12,240 --> 02:28:13,040
Speaker 5: for the non sugar.

3301
02:28:14,440 --> 02:28:16,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I don't really know too much about that.

3302
02:28:17,040 --> 02:28:21,880
Speaker 1: But uh side uh for the very few people in

3303
02:28:21,959 --> 02:28:27,199
Speaker 1: this room that know my day manager's era, she loves

3304
02:28:27,240 --> 02:28:30,760
Speaker 1: the ship out this book because her diet is that

3305
02:28:30,879 --> 02:28:39,840
Speaker 1: fucked up. She's like, I like this, like she saw

3306
02:28:39,879 --> 02:28:41,520
Speaker 1: it as like college survival food.

3307
02:28:41,560 --> 02:28:44,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, not quite eat ship.

3308
02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:48,400
Speaker 9: Okay, it's like hipster that's cute there.

3309
02:28:48,600 --> 02:28:52,120
Speaker 1: No, I mean she's the type of person that actually yes,

3310
02:28:52,520 --> 02:29:00,640
Speaker 1: she looked at him like but yeah, so and bringing

3311
02:29:00,840 --> 02:29:02,680
Speaker 1: Kathy into this, how are you?

3312
02:29:02,879 --> 02:29:04,080
Speaker 3: Hey? I'm glad you here.

3313
02:29:04,680 --> 02:29:06,440
Speaker 9: Forgot she was here, so thanks?

3314
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:11,800
Speaker 3: So what what is the research process in.

3315
02:29:14,480 --> 02:29:19,320
Speaker 1: Trying these uh, these recipes out that you you you

3316
02:29:19,480 --> 02:29:23,040
Speaker 1: made in the in the book and and I guess

3317
02:29:23,080 --> 02:29:25,040
Speaker 1: the trial and era of it all, like how do

3318
02:29:25,120 --> 02:29:29,920
Speaker 1: you even I guess with very little instrument, instruments or tools,

3319
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, it becomes you know, creative, creativity is is

3320
02:29:36,000 --> 02:29:37,560
Speaker 1: your is your best instrument?

3321
02:29:37,640 --> 02:29:40,360
Speaker 3: So how do you test these things out to see

3322
02:29:40,360 --> 02:29:41,480
Speaker 3: what works and what doesn't work?

3323
02:29:41,640 --> 02:29:44,680
Speaker 6: Well, there's two like completely different parts of the cookbook.

3324
02:29:44,959 --> 02:29:48,520
Speaker 6: There's the stuff that that p always cooked and then

3325
02:29:48,560 --> 02:29:51,760
Speaker 6: there's the stuff that most people in prison cook.

3326
02:29:52,320 --> 02:29:57,560
Speaker 3: So you know, so were you allowed special No, he

3327
02:29:57,720 --> 02:29:58,840
Speaker 3: just chose, Like see.

3328
02:29:59,040 --> 02:30:01,480
Speaker 6: The thing that's kind of the thing that's pretty interesting

3329
02:30:01,520 --> 02:30:07,000
Speaker 6: about the Commissary Catching cookbook is everything that was cooked

3330
02:30:07,680 --> 02:30:11,080
Speaker 6: was what you could purchase and commissary but you know,

3331
02:30:11,160 --> 02:30:13,080
Speaker 6: p he had been through what was it, five different

3332
02:30:13,120 --> 02:30:15,320
Speaker 6: prisons in three years because he always had to have

3333
02:30:15,320 --> 02:30:18,720
Speaker 6: an infirmary like nearby, so you know he was moved,

3334
02:30:18,720 --> 02:30:20,600
Speaker 6: but I think he spent the longest at Mid State, right.

3335
02:30:21,360 --> 02:30:24,800
Speaker 6: So in doing that research, I went through the commissary

3336
02:30:24,840 --> 02:30:27,800
Speaker 6: that was available at mid State to know what some

3337
02:30:27,879 --> 02:30:28,760
Speaker 6: of those items were.

3338
02:30:29,560 --> 02:30:32,720
Speaker 3: And then so what's a typical meal. What's a typical breakfast?

3339
02:30:33,520 --> 02:30:37,440
Speaker 6: Well, typical breakfast at chow is different from see because

3340
02:30:37,800 --> 02:30:41,440
Speaker 6: you know they would give the breakfast would be at six, right,

3341
02:30:42,120 --> 02:30:44,280
Speaker 6: Lunch should be at ten, So.

3342
02:30:44,320 --> 02:30:45,480
Speaker 3: You got to wake up at five.

3343
02:30:47,000 --> 02:30:49,160
Speaker 6: What was it like like quarter to six, You're like

3344
02:30:49,240 --> 02:30:50,240
Speaker 6: six thirty, six.

3345
02:30:50,160 --> 02:30:52,879
Speaker 7: Thirty breakfast and they go to yard are like seven.

3346
02:30:53,520 --> 02:30:56,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, lunch would be at ten. Four o'clock was dinner

3347
02:30:56,800 --> 02:30:57,400
Speaker 6: and you were done.

3348
02:30:57,959 --> 02:31:00,760
Speaker 3: So when you had Jesus Christ.

3349
02:31:00,879 --> 02:31:03,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, So when it came to the commissary, that was

3350
02:31:03,120 --> 02:31:05,760
Speaker 6: the thing that that people used to to fill to

3351
02:31:05,879 --> 02:31:07,720
Speaker 6: fill them up for the rest of the day. So

3352
02:31:07,840 --> 02:31:09,400
Speaker 6: if your family doesn't have a lot of money to

3353
02:31:09,440 --> 02:31:13,080
Speaker 6: fill the commissary, that's where you get those traditional prison

3354
02:31:13,160 --> 02:31:15,800
Speaker 6: meals like mashing up cheetahs and pouring chili on them

3355
02:31:15,840 --> 02:31:19,199
Speaker 6: because those are the cheapest things in commissary and also

3356
02:31:19,320 --> 02:31:22,360
Speaker 6: there's a pound limitation to what like family could mail

3357
02:31:22,400 --> 02:31:25,600
Speaker 6: you as well. And he would make most of that

3358
02:31:26,240 --> 02:31:28,760
Speaker 6: those deliveries of nothing but canned vegetables. But because they're

3359
02:31:28,760 --> 02:31:31,600
Speaker 6: in a can, they weigh more. So it wasn't like

3360
02:31:31,640 --> 02:31:34,320
Speaker 6: he was able to get like tons of spinach, you know,

3361
02:31:34,680 --> 02:31:37,720
Speaker 6: because he would mostly get spinach delivered like that. But

3362
02:31:37,840 --> 02:31:38,640
Speaker 6: it's by can, So.

3363
02:31:40,680 --> 02:31:43,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, can even though I mean the potential of that

3364
02:31:44,040 --> 02:31:45,080
Speaker 3: being a weapon.

3365
02:31:45,680 --> 02:31:48,160
Speaker 6: Can you could use the race is a knife too,

3366
02:31:48,879 --> 02:31:50,720
Speaker 6: you can get it taken away so stupid.

3367
02:31:50,440 --> 02:31:56,480
Speaker 3: They won't allow CDs, but you can have yeah.

3368
02:31:56,560 --> 02:31:59,280
Speaker 6: So you know, in going through and going through this book,

3369
02:31:59,320 --> 02:32:00,320
Speaker 6: you know, and we were going through some of the

3370
02:32:00,360 --> 02:32:03,680
Speaker 6: recipes that he actually made, there was just this whole

3371
02:32:03,720 --> 02:32:05,440
Speaker 6: other part that, you know, I feel is like this

3372
02:32:05,879 --> 02:32:08,680
Speaker 6: this voice to culture of people wanting to know about

3373
02:32:09,400 --> 02:32:12,680
Speaker 6: those kinds of traditional prison meals. And in doing that

3374
02:32:12,800 --> 02:32:15,120
Speaker 6: research and seeing some of those things, and the thing

3375
02:32:15,160 --> 02:32:17,120
Speaker 6: that I thought was really important about putting it in

3376
02:32:17,160 --> 02:32:19,960
Speaker 6: the book was, you know, on peace first day, he

3377
02:32:20,040 --> 02:32:22,560
Speaker 6: had food poisoning because one of the inmates wanted to

3378
02:32:22,600 --> 02:32:24,879
Speaker 6: make him a welcome meal, which was one of those

3379
02:32:24,920 --> 02:32:28,760
Speaker 6: traditional prison dishes, but peace stomach obviously wasn't trained to that.

3380
02:32:28,840 --> 02:32:30,480
Speaker 6: It's like going to Mexico and drinking the water.

3381
02:32:31,040 --> 02:32:31,520
Speaker 3: You know what.

3382
02:32:33,560 --> 02:32:38,040
Speaker 6: Prison surprise, which is Jack mac mashed up cheetos to

3383
02:32:38,120 --> 02:32:41,160
Speaker 6: make a cheese sauce poured over like ramen. Right, it

3384
02:32:41,280 --> 02:32:44,160
Speaker 6: was something like that, And by the end of the

3385
02:32:44,280 --> 02:32:46,840
Speaker 6: night he had an ivy in his arm, so because

3386
02:32:47,200 --> 02:32:48,640
Speaker 6: you know, he wasn't used to eating.

3387
02:32:48,680 --> 02:32:50,520
Speaker 7: And I mean the thing is why I woke up

3388
02:32:50,600 --> 02:32:51,960
Speaker 7: sweating bullets throwing up.

3389
02:32:52,560 --> 02:32:53,360
Speaker 3: It fucked me up.

3390
02:32:53,920 --> 02:32:56,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, And you learn about certain things and doing this

3391
02:32:56,360 --> 02:33:00,920
Speaker 6: research where like, for example, they only give you fruit

3392
02:33:00,959 --> 02:33:03,680
Speaker 6: punch and iced tea, but if you want water, they

3393
02:33:03,720 --> 02:33:05,000
Speaker 6: give you an empty jug and you have to go

3394
02:33:05,120 --> 02:33:07,720
Speaker 6: get it. So it's like, if you want to lead

3395
02:33:07,760 --> 02:33:10,720
Speaker 6: a healthy lifestyle, you have to actively pursue it in prison.

3396
02:33:11,280 --> 02:33:15,199
Speaker 6: So there's there's also you know, there's this there's prison

3397
02:33:15,280 --> 02:33:17,640
Speaker 6: tea that a lot of inmates drink, which is just

3398
02:33:17,680 --> 02:33:20,560
Speaker 6: simply a Ramen packet in water, and the average Ramen

3399
02:33:20,600 --> 02:33:24,400
Speaker 6: packet has like seventy five hundred milligrams, so you're.

3400
02:33:24,320 --> 02:33:25,720
Speaker 3: Drinking salt water.

3401
02:33:25,879 --> 02:33:28,039
Speaker 6: That's prison tea, it's called prison tea.

3402
02:33:28,879 --> 02:33:30,840
Speaker 3: And how are you able to how are you able

3403
02:33:30,920 --> 02:33:34,199
Speaker 3: to cook the food on your own in your cell?

3404
02:33:34,360 --> 02:33:35,280
Speaker 3: Like are you loud?

3405
02:33:35,920 --> 02:33:37,680
Speaker 6: No, there was a there's a common area where there's

3406
02:33:37,879 --> 02:33:41,080
Speaker 6: a microwave and a toaster oven, which is that's why

3407
02:33:41,240 --> 02:33:43,040
Speaker 6: so many of these meals are so simple, which is

3408
02:33:43,040 --> 02:33:45,680
Speaker 6: why so many people in dorms will gravitate toward it

3409
02:33:45,720 --> 02:33:48,920
Speaker 6: because of just the availability of those just two devices

3410
02:33:48,959 --> 02:33:52,400
Speaker 6: and a couple of other things. So, you know, but

3411
02:33:52,520 --> 02:33:56,600
Speaker 6: in doing the research, you really learn the way the

3412
02:33:56,680 --> 02:34:00,920
Speaker 6: prison system kind of controls the situation. And and you know,

3413
02:34:01,040 --> 02:34:03,520
Speaker 6: for me, the reason why I even you know, I

3414
02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:07,200
Speaker 6: was part of this project was over over, Like you know,

3415
02:34:07,360 --> 02:34:10,280
Speaker 6: the ten fifteen years that I've been a rap journalist,

3416
02:34:10,280 --> 02:34:13,400
Speaker 6: I've had this kind of like unique privilege of speaking

3417
02:34:13,440 --> 02:34:14,920
Speaker 6: to a lot of artists right when they get out

3418
02:34:14,920 --> 02:34:18,200
Speaker 6: of prison. And I spoke with p like right when

3419
02:34:18,240 --> 02:34:21,000
Speaker 6: you get got out. But I also spoke with Bousy

3420
02:34:21,720 --> 02:34:25,280
Speaker 6: and come to find out it was diabetic, right yeah,

3421
02:34:25,320 --> 02:34:29,440
Speaker 6: but he had also cancer. Oh shit, so I believe

3422
02:34:29,480 --> 02:34:33,240
Speaker 6: it was kidney cancer. So and they blamed it on

3423
02:34:33,360 --> 02:34:36,680
Speaker 6: the lean. But I started to like, you know, you

3424
02:34:36,760 --> 02:34:39,480
Speaker 6: start putting two and two together, how people can enter

3425
02:34:40,320 --> 02:34:45,440
Speaker 6: somewhat healthy and leave like completely a mess. And you know,

3426
02:34:45,720 --> 02:34:48,480
Speaker 6: in talking with p about it, like literally when he

3427
02:34:48,600 --> 02:34:50,360
Speaker 6: got out and he was just telling me these stories

3428
02:34:50,440 --> 02:34:52,680
Speaker 6: and I'll never forget it was one of your guys

3429
02:34:53,160 --> 02:34:55,360
Speaker 6: gave me one of the cassettes that were available in prison,

3430
02:34:55,360 --> 02:34:57,640
Speaker 6: and it was a Jadakiss The Last Kiss and like

3431
02:34:57,720 --> 02:34:59,879
Speaker 6: a prison catalog, and he's like, yeah, this is what's

3432
02:34:59,879 --> 02:35:02,360
Speaker 6: a available. So you know, I was just like going

3433
02:35:02,440 --> 02:35:05,680
Speaker 6: through the what was available, and I'm like, how can

3434
02:35:05,760 --> 02:35:08,560
Speaker 6: anyone survive on this stuff? So, you know, we were

3435
02:35:08,600 --> 02:35:11,520
Speaker 6: putting this together and you just look at the nutritional

3436
02:35:11,560 --> 02:35:14,560
Speaker 6: information and then I started to dig even deeper and

3437
02:35:14,640 --> 02:35:16,840
Speaker 6: you look at what was available in like the UK

3438
02:35:17,320 --> 02:35:21,600
Speaker 6: in the fifties, a typical prison meal was like prime

3439
02:35:21,720 --> 02:35:25,920
Speaker 6: rib and like mash potatoes and glazed carrots. That was

3440
02:35:25,959 --> 02:35:31,240
Speaker 6: like a typical prison meal. Yeah, and you start you

3441
02:35:31,360 --> 02:35:34,000
Speaker 6: see what happens over the years, and especially as it

3442
02:35:34,120 --> 02:35:36,920
Speaker 6: made its way, you know, to this country, and and

3443
02:35:37,080 --> 02:35:39,199
Speaker 6: like what was available, I mean even in the past,

3444
02:35:39,280 --> 02:35:42,600
Speaker 6: what was available here was so fundamentally different than what's

3445
02:35:42,600 --> 02:35:46,720
Speaker 6: available now. And you know, when we were touring this book,

3446
02:35:47,440 --> 02:35:51,240
Speaker 6: the biggest prison strike in history was happening, so it

3447
02:35:51,320 --> 02:35:54,360
Speaker 6: was kind of like this perfect storm. But it was

3448
02:35:54,400 --> 02:35:56,040
Speaker 6: also pretty funny because some of the stuff that we

3449
02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:58,240
Speaker 6: were discussing, like, we didn't make it too politically heavy,

3450
02:35:58,720 --> 02:36:01,360
Speaker 6: but if you start to read about some of these

3451
02:36:01,400 --> 02:36:03,640
Speaker 6: recipes and what's available and all this other stuff, you

3452
02:36:03,640 --> 02:36:05,360
Speaker 6: can kind of put two and two together and be like, oh,

3453
02:36:05,520 --> 02:36:07,080
Speaker 6: you know, trying to kill you in there.

3454
02:36:07,440 --> 02:36:09,600
Speaker 3: You know. Well, the book did get banned in some person.

3455
02:36:09,720 --> 02:36:13,200
Speaker 6: They got banned in California because yeah, but they said

3456
02:36:13,240 --> 02:36:15,400
Speaker 6: it was because there was a hooch recipe, like who

3457
02:36:15,440 --> 02:36:17,440
Speaker 6: doesn't know how to make hoots at this point? But

3458
02:36:18,400 --> 02:36:21,040
Speaker 6: you know, and I think I think there's also parts,

3459
02:36:21,440 --> 02:36:23,080
Speaker 6: you know, especially when it comes to pop culture, the

3460
02:36:23,120 --> 02:36:25,680
Speaker 6: way people like glamorize prison, especially because of Orange is

3461
02:36:25,720 --> 02:36:28,720
Speaker 6: the New Black and just make it seem like this

3462
02:36:29,080 --> 02:36:31,520
Speaker 6: like cool place for camaraderie. And there is some of

3463
02:36:31,640 --> 02:36:33,600
Speaker 6: that in the book, you know, because that some of

3464
02:36:33,640 --> 02:36:36,720
Speaker 6: that is true, but there's also something real. I mean,

3465
02:36:37,240 --> 02:36:39,320
Speaker 6: there's an episode of Orange Is the New Black where

3466
02:36:39,320 --> 02:36:42,360
Speaker 6: they they use the prison packets for currents for like currency,

3467
02:36:42,440 --> 02:36:45,320
Speaker 6: so that they could season their food. But it's like, yeah,

3468
02:36:45,360 --> 02:36:47,959
Speaker 6: but the sodium, like you know, or there's a joke

3469
02:36:48,040 --> 02:36:52,160
Speaker 6: that one of the inmates pretends to be Jewish, she

3470
02:36:52,400 --> 02:36:55,600
Speaker 6: could so she can have a kosher meal. But like

3471
02:36:55,680 --> 02:36:57,760
Speaker 6: because the kosher meal is the only meal that actually

3472
02:36:57,760 --> 02:37:01,840
Speaker 6: has fresh vegetables in it. So you know, there's there's

3473
02:37:01,879 --> 02:37:03,560
Speaker 6: things that they that they put in there that I

3474
02:37:03,600 --> 02:37:06,280
Speaker 6: think are it's pretty cool. But if you don't do

3475
02:37:06,440 --> 02:37:09,080
Speaker 6: your research on why those things are even incorporated into

3476
02:37:09,120 --> 02:37:11,680
Speaker 6: those episodes or whatever, you know, you don't you don't

3477
02:37:11,680 --> 02:37:16,200
Speaker 6: really understand what's going on. So uh yeah, I mean

3478
02:37:16,200 --> 02:37:18,480
Speaker 6: the kosher meals are like amazing in prison and the

3479
02:37:18,560 --> 02:37:22,000
Speaker 6: only fresh thing that that in in peace facility, you

3480
02:37:22,040 --> 02:37:23,119
Speaker 6: were allowed to have as an apple.

3481
02:37:24,040 --> 02:37:24,320
Speaker 3: Damn.

3482
02:37:26,959 --> 02:37:31,600
Speaker 6: Yeah until the day that you you rated little Puns.

3483
02:37:33,000 --> 02:37:37,200
Speaker 7: You rated the CEO the correction office refrigerating little pun.

3484
02:37:37,400 --> 02:37:39,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, they call the little Pung because you look like.

3485
02:37:40,879 --> 02:37:41,560
Speaker 3: A little version.

3486
02:37:42,240 --> 02:37:44,720
Speaker 6: But he would eat the inmates food, Like he would

3487
02:37:44,720 --> 02:37:46,160
Speaker 6: come in there and he would eat their meals.

3488
02:37:46,320 --> 02:37:49,400
Speaker 1: Like why he would eat is there is there someone

3489
02:37:49,640 --> 02:37:56,000
Speaker 1: to be an advocate for better health? There's there's some

3490
02:37:56,120 --> 02:37:59,680
Speaker 1: stefs that I know in California that are now leaving

3491
02:37:59,760 --> 02:38:05,360
Speaker 1: their respective I mean these are like Michelan uh, Michelin

3492
02:38:05,440 --> 02:38:09,400
Speaker 1: level chefs, James Beard chefs that you know, kind of

3493
02:38:09,480 --> 02:38:12,800
Speaker 1: felt in a moral ways and moral for them to

3494
02:38:14,240 --> 02:38:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, learn fine cuisine and then charge people two

3495
02:38:17,080 --> 02:38:18,320
Speaker 1: thousand dollars to eat it.

3496
02:38:18,680 --> 02:38:21,160
Speaker 3: And so they're going to be opposite. They're they're going

3497
02:38:21,200 --> 02:38:21,720
Speaker 3: to the hoods.

3498
02:38:21,720 --> 02:38:27,359
Speaker 1: They're going in like South Central, opening up healthy versions

3499
02:38:27,600 --> 02:38:30,920
Speaker 1: of fast food spots. And even Magic Johnson said the

3500
02:38:30,959 --> 02:38:35,000
Speaker 1: reason why he, you know, opened up for Fridays was because, uh,

3501
02:38:35,879 --> 02:38:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, that's one of the few places where you

3502
02:38:38,200 --> 02:38:40,640
Speaker 1: can get a garden salad or that sort of thing.

3503
02:38:41,879 --> 02:38:45,879
Speaker 3: Don't nobody, I'm going to Fridays for the solid.

3504
02:38:50,520 --> 02:38:54,039
Speaker 1: But a woman approached Magic and said, yo, I hope

3505
02:38:54,280 --> 02:38:56,080
Speaker 1: this is like when he opened up his movie theater.

3506
02:38:56,760 --> 02:38:58,480
Speaker 1: She's like, yo, I really hope you open up a

3507
02:38:58,600 --> 02:39:00,800
Speaker 1: restaurant and bring it to the hoods so we can

3508
02:39:00,879 --> 02:39:03,440
Speaker 1: have fresh sautlets, because you'll be shocked at the fact

3509
02:39:03,480 --> 02:39:07,560
Speaker 1: that you cannot find I mean now that most hood

3510
02:39:07,600 --> 02:39:08,800
Speaker 1: spots are being gentrified.

3511
02:39:09,280 --> 02:39:10,959
Speaker 3: I mean even with the locks.

3512
02:39:11,200 --> 02:39:15,000
Speaker 1: They opened up a juice bar in Young you know,

3513
02:39:15,160 --> 02:39:19,040
Speaker 1: giving people their first taste of healthy options. So it's like,

3514
02:39:19,240 --> 02:39:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, for for a lot of for a lot

3515
02:39:21,680 --> 02:39:24,320
Speaker 1: of people, especially like I mean, even the idea of

3516
02:39:24,400 --> 02:39:28,160
Speaker 1: soul food is inaccessible, inaccessible now, like you go to

3517
02:39:28,280 --> 02:39:31,800
Speaker 1: find Southern cuisine spots at least in the northeast, not

3518
02:39:32,040 --> 02:39:37,680
Speaker 1: not in North Carolina, no, but I mean soul food

3519
02:39:37,760 --> 02:39:41,960
Speaker 1: right now, and most hoods are takeout Chinese food, like

3520
02:39:42,080 --> 02:39:44,440
Speaker 1: what people had the experience of, like oh, Kylli greens

3521
02:39:44,440 --> 02:39:47,320
Speaker 1: and chicken and grits for dinner, like in the sixties

3522
02:39:47,400 --> 02:39:52,119
Speaker 1: and seventies. Now it's gravy white, yeah, rice and wings

3523
02:39:52,160 --> 02:39:52,680
Speaker 1: front to five.

3524
02:39:54,480 --> 02:40:03,120
Speaker 3: So it's like, do you you in order specially so

3525
02:40:03,840 --> 02:40:05,240
Speaker 3: after you experience.

3526
02:40:06,360 --> 02:40:14,840
Speaker 1: A right mother, I'm just I'm just asking, do you

3527
02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:20,680
Speaker 1: feel that it's almost necessary that someone advocates, uh or

3528
02:40:20,760 --> 02:40:26,000
Speaker 1: speaks on the behalf of of getting better conditions because

3529
02:40:26,040 --> 02:40:30,280
Speaker 1: I often hear of the conditions in prison being horrible

3530
02:40:31,320 --> 02:40:34,480
Speaker 1: and you know, substandard, and of course you know you'll

3531
02:40:34,520 --> 02:40:39,040
Speaker 1: you'll hear these these you know, right wing Republicans just

3532
02:40:39,120 --> 02:40:41,280
Speaker 1: being like, you know, it's prison, that's what it deserves.

3533
02:40:42,160 --> 02:40:43,920
Speaker 1: But you know, it's still like you still got to

3534
02:40:43,920 --> 02:40:48,840
Speaker 1: treat a person human, and so like, is there any

3535
02:40:49,360 --> 02:40:54,400
Speaker 1: is it, Is there any step or do you realistically

3536
02:40:54,520 --> 02:40:57,320
Speaker 1: see reality where that could be changed.

3537
02:40:57,760 --> 02:41:00,240
Speaker 6: I think it's getting I think it's getting every one

3538
02:41:00,320 --> 02:41:04,440
Speaker 6: on board, but having you know, their own reasons for it,

3539
02:41:04,600 --> 02:41:08,640
Speaker 6: like a lot of a lot of right wing Republicans

3540
02:41:08,680 --> 02:41:12,800
Speaker 6: have you know, hit me in my d MS along

3541
02:41:12,840 --> 02:41:19,280
Speaker 6: with craze mob deep fans, but you know, kind of

3542
02:41:19,360 --> 02:41:22,360
Speaker 6: trying to challenge me in this discussion. And you know, well,

3543
02:41:22,400 --> 02:41:24,720
Speaker 6: their prisoners, like you know, they can eat whatever, whatever.

3544
02:41:25,360 --> 02:41:29,959
Speaker 6: And even if you take away like the humane aspect

3545
02:41:30,000 --> 02:41:36,320
Speaker 6: of it, right, someone enters prison healthy, they leave with diabetes, hypertension,

3546
02:41:37,160 --> 02:41:42,240
Speaker 6: you know, poor liver functions everything, right, when they get sick,

3547
02:41:42,280 --> 02:41:43,200
Speaker 6: they go to the er.

3548
02:41:44,480 --> 02:41:45,400
Speaker 9: You pay for the er.

3549
02:41:46,320 --> 02:41:48,920
Speaker 6: So if you want to, you don't want to even

3550
02:41:49,080 --> 02:41:54,520
Speaker 6: look at it for anything other than selfish financial like reasons.

3551
02:41:55,879 --> 02:41:58,280
Speaker 6: Look at that, look at that at the heart of

3552
02:41:58,320 --> 02:42:02,400
Speaker 6: it that it's still it's ultimately costing you money for

3553
02:42:02,560 --> 02:42:08,240
Speaker 6: these for people to to get better essentially, so you know,

3554
02:42:08,480 --> 02:42:10,920
Speaker 6: which it's a horrible reason to have to it's a

3555
02:42:11,000 --> 02:42:14,199
Speaker 6: horrible argument to even present. But there are some people

3556
02:42:14,240 --> 02:42:16,760
Speaker 6: that's yeah, yeah.

3557
02:42:16,760 --> 02:42:19,400
Speaker 1: Well people don't also realize, you know, when when you

3558
02:42:19,520 --> 02:42:24,240
Speaker 1: hear people arguing against the idea of private prison industry complex.

3559
02:42:24,520 --> 02:42:29,200
Speaker 1: People don't know that if you're one of the commissary owners.

3560
02:42:29,560 --> 02:42:31,640
Speaker 1: There was a webs there was an article I was

3561
02:42:31,680 --> 02:42:35,800
Speaker 1: reading about I guess one of the CEOs of of

3562
02:42:36,480 --> 02:42:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if Bonton is a thing here. It's

3563
02:42:40,120 --> 02:42:40,800
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania.

3564
02:42:40,800 --> 02:42:41,320
Speaker 3: It's real big.

3565
02:42:41,560 --> 02:42:45,680
Speaker 1: It's like little Debies Bonton. It's like these local snack companies,

3566
02:42:46,240 --> 02:42:46,760
Speaker 1: but they are.

3567
02:42:46,920 --> 02:42:54,680
Speaker 8: Making a killing being the exclusive provider of all these

3568
02:42:54,760 --> 02:42:55,520
Speaker 8: high end snacks.

3569
02:42:55,520 --> 02:42:58,800
Speaker 1: And it's almost like I feel, I mean not even

3570
02:42:58,879 --> 02:43:03,040
Speaker 1: I feel, I almost know that it's like the cheapest

3571
02:43:04,640 --> 02:43:07,800
Speaker 1: high sodium, high sugar amount which keeps you almost.

3572
02:43:08,800 --> 02:43:10,840
Speaker 5: And what's funny is even when you go visit, y'all

3573
02:43:10,879 --> 02:43:12,200
Speaker 5: just made me think about something because I've been the

3574
02:43:12,240 --> 02:43:14,840
Speaker 5: way too many prisons in Jersey. Even when you go

3575
02:43:15,240 --> 02:43:18,160
Speaker 5: to visit, they don't even provide, Like the snacks are

3576
02:43:18,200 --> 02:43:20,200
Speaker 5: the same as for the visit. Like, say you're there

3577
02:43:20,240 --> 02:43:22,760
Speaker 5: and his families as kids and they want to eat

3578
02:43:22,760 --> 02:43:24,360
Speaker 5: something while they're there, you better go to the vender

3579
02:43:24,400 --> 02:43:26,000
Speaker 5: machine and get you as of chocolate or something.

3580
02:43:26,040 --> 02:43:28,840
Speaker 9: Not even like the trail makes nothing in that area.

3581
02:43:29,400 --> 02:43:31,879
Speaker 9: Is it, Kathy? Is there not one person that's worth

3582
02:43:32,000 --> 02:43:33,359
Speaker 9: working on their dietary situation?

3583
02:43:33,640 --> 02:43:33,800
Speaker 6: You know?

3584
02:43:34,200 --> 02:43:38,879
Speaker 3: I think I know that Martha's sorry, Martha Stewart changed.

3585
02:43:38,520 --> 02:43:41,240
Speaker 9: Her spot in West Virginia and she's still.

3586
02:43:41,800 --> 02:43:45,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's still. But hers is like a minimum security.

3587
02:43:46,840 --> 02:43:49,199
Speaker 6: A federal women's prison. I think it's Morgan. That's not Morgan.

3588
02:43:50,240 --> 02:43:50,680
Speaker 5: I know that.

3589
02:43:51,200 --> 02:43:56,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, she still actively sends them fresh vegetables and fruit, and.

3590
02:43:58,440 --> 02:44:01,800
Speaker 6: You know what, what what's going to ultimately happen in

3591
02:44:01,879 --> 02:44:03,640
Speaker 6: my opinion, I mean, I'm seeing some of it that

3592
02:44:03,680 --> 02:44:06,959
Speaker 6: they're they're talking about doing it in New York. It's

3593
02:44:07,000 --> 02:44:08,880
Speaker 6: going to take someone trying to do it in such

3594
02:44:08,879 --> 02:44:11,600
Speaker 6: a kitchy way, because that's what's gonna end up. It's

3595
02:44:11,600 --> 02:44:14,200
Speaker 6: going to become trendy to do it because I was

3596
02:44:14,240 --> 02:44:16,800
Speaker 6: reading some articles and they're like, check out the farm

3597
02:44:16,879 --> 02:44:19,680
Speaker 6: to table prison whatever, and it becomes it's gonna have

3598
02:44:19,800 --> 02:44:25,960
Speaker 6: to take that brand like rebranding. Yeah, it's gonna have

3599
02:44:26,120 --> 02:44:28,520
Speaker 6: to be that unfortunately, and the same way that you

3600
02:44:28,600 --> 02:44:30,960
Speaker 6: got to like change the argument for Republicans on the

3601
02:44:31,000 --> 02:44:33,760
Speaker 6: whole prison system in general. But it's gonna have to

3602
02:44:33,800 --> 02:44:35,600
Speaker 6: be something cute see for them to.

3603
02:44:36,000 --> 02:44:38,959
Speaker 3: Their kids are doing is like wait a minute, right, right?

3604
02:44:39,160 --> 02:44:41,200
Speaker 3: So kind of like the way Heroin got rebranded.

3605
02:44:43,560 --> 02:44:46,640
Speaker 6: I mean, but you know the the jump from OZ

3606
02:44:46,720 --> 02:44:49,480
Speaker 6: to orange is the new black, how one? You know

3607
02:44:49,640 --> 02:44:52,640
Speaker 6: what took off by making it like hey, what happens

3608
02:44:52,640 --> 02:44:54,480
Speaker 6: when you put you know like that kind of Yeah,

3609
02:44:55,000 --> 02:44:57,240
Speaker 6: So I think I think that's going to be the

3610
02:44:57,360 --> 02:45:00,840
Speaker 6: thing that well, we'll have to do it. You know,

3611
02:45:01,160 --> 02:45:04,640
Speaker 6: it's it's not not similar, but you know when people

3612
02:45:04,680 --> 02:45:08,439
Speaker 6: started to advocate for better snacks and offices and schools

3613
02:45:08,520 --> 02:45:12,000
Speaker 6: and all these other all these other things where those

3614
02:45:12,040 --> 02:45:14,080
Speaker 6: things had to change, but it had to be a

3615
02:45:14,200 --> 02:45:17,080
Speaker 6: slow build. It's a harder argument in prisons.

3616
02:45:17,120 --> 02:45:19,200
Speaker 9: Oh, Kathy, are you saying Michelle Obama missed out on

3617
02:45:19,280 --> 02:45:22,520
Speaker 9: that one? Because I just ooh, like she was supposed

3618
02:45:22,520 --> 02:45:22,960
Speaker 9: to cover that.

3619
02:45:24,640 --> 02:45:25,520
Speaker 3: No, I love that.

3620
02:45:26,560 --> 02:45:28,880
Speaker 9: All praise due to the Queen, but the clue just

3621
02:45:28,920 --> 02:45:31,600
Speaker 9: went off in my head. Right, she did schools, she

3622
02:45:31,680 --> 02:45:32,800
Speaker 9: didn't what a bow?

3623
02:45:32,920 --> 02:45:34,920
Speaker 6: Well, you know the thing that Michelle Obama did that

3624
02:45:35,000 --> 02:45:37,840
Speaker 6: I think was wonderful too was you know, there's a

3625
02:45:37,879 --> 02:45:40,320
Speaker 6: school in particular, I forget the name. You know, my

3626
02:45:40,400 --> 02:45:43,200
Speaker 6: mom had consulted for them in nork. They had a

3627
02:45:43,320 --> 02:45:45,920
Speaker 6: garden at the top on the roof, and the kids

3628
02:45:45,959 --> 02:45:48,200
Speaker 6: would grow the vegetables. They would pull down the vegetables,

3629
02:45:48,200 --> 02:45:50,119
Speaker 6: and they would cook with the vegetables for their lunches.

3630
02:45:50,400 --> 02:45:52,680
Speaker 6: So she did some amazing things, But that kind of

3631
02:45:52,720 --> 02:45:55,760
Speaker 6: stuff doesn't translate into prison, you know. I mean, I

3632
02:45:55,800 --> 02:45:58,000
Speaker 6: think that the initiative that she did was it was

3633
02:45:58,080 --> 02:46:01,640
Speaker 6: making nutrition fun, because that was the problem. Kids weren't

3634
02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:04,720
Speaker 6: having fun with nutrition. Your brustles sprouts are gross, like

3635
02:46:04,840 --> 02:46:07,080
Speaker 6: you know, dipp them in chocolate like whatever like that

3636
02:46:07,400 --> 02:46:13,160
Speaker 6: you're making you're making you're making nutrition fun. But convincing,

3637
02:46:14,040 --> 02:46:17,879
Speaker 6: convincing inmates whose families are maybe putting five dollars into

3638
02:46:17,959 --> 02:46:21,120
Speaker 6: their commissary and they finish eating at four pm, and

3639
02:46:21,160 --> 02:46:23,560
Speaker 6: they're starving by eight o'clock and they're hanging out in

3640
02:46:23,640 --> 02:46:26,520
Speaker 6: the common area and all they have is like enough

3641
02:46:26,560 --> 02:46:30,000
Speaker 6: in their commissary for ramen noodles. Convince them that nutrition

3642
02:46:30,240 --> 02:46:33,400
Speaker 6: is fun, because what happens is it's not the it's

3643
02:46:33,480 --> 02:46:37,360
Speaker 6: not the commissary necessarily, that's the problem. It's the quality

3644
02:46:37,440 --> 02:46:39,960
Speaker 6: of the food that they're eating in chow too. I mean,

3645
02:46:40,000 --> 02:46:42,360
Speaker 6: the sodium levels of some of those things, but also

3646
02:46:42,440 --> 02:46:45,280
Speaker 6: it's expired food sometimes, you know, they'll leave cans for

3647
02:46:45,480 --> 02:46:48,440
Speaker 6: however long. I mean, there's rat poisoning in certain prisons,

3648
02:46:48,480 --> 02:46:51,280
Speaker 6: and some of the food they found glass pubic hair.

3649
02:46:51,760 --> 02:46:54,640
Speaker 6: I mean, these are things like these are real issues

3650
02:46:54,720 --> 02:46:57,280
Speaker 6: that just the quality of the food alone, and what

3651
02:46:57,320 --> 02:46:59,520
Speaker 6: will end up happening is a lot of the inmates

3652
02:46:59,520 --> 02:47:01,760
Speaker 6: just don't want to eat the food. You know, who's

3653
02:47:01,760 --> 02:47:04,400
Speaker 6: gonna want to eat that? So it becomes a matter

3654
02:47:04,520 --> 02:47:06,520
Speaker 6: of all right, well I'll just eat some chips. There's

3655
02:47:06,560 --> 02:47:08,760
Speaker 6: a lot of artists that I've spoken to who when

3656
02:47:08,800 --> 02:47:12,280
Speaker 6: they got out of prison, and even before meeting Pee

3657
02:47:12,360 --> 02:47:14,080
Speaker 6: and hearing that story, I would say, what did you eat?

3658
02:47:15,000 --> 02:47:15,280
Speaker 3: I got?

3659
02:47:15,320 --> 02:47:17,560
Speaker 6: You know, most of the time it's some chips, like

3660
02:47:17,720 --> 02:47:22,720
Speaker 6: living off like freedoms, you know. And then I remember,

3661
02:47:23,600 --> 02:47:25,320
Speaker 6: I forget the artists. Was it thirst and hell? The

3662
02:47:25,360 --> 02:47:27,840
Speaker 6: third who did the prison cooking shows and he would

3663
02:47:27,879 --> 02:47:29,360
Speaker 6: do this like show where he would like, you know,

3664
02:47:29,480 --> 02:47:31,920
Speaker 6: mash up all like the food and he would like

3665
02:47:31,959 --> 02:47:34,560
Speaker 6: make these prison dishes, and I was just so fascinated.

3666
02:47:34,640 --> 02:47:36,760
Speaker 6: I'm just like, yeah, I get it, because if like

3667
02:47:37,080 --> 02:47:39,680
Speaker 6: if someone said to you, okay, every day, all you

3668
02:47:39,800 --> 02:47:43,600
Speaker 6: can eat the bag of Cheetos, bag of Doritos, one

3669
02:47:43,640 --> 02:47:47,320
Speaker 6: of those packets of chili, and a pack of Ramen noodles.

3670
02:47:47,720 --> 02:47:52,680
Speaker 6: Of course by week three, yeah, you're you're trying to

3671
02:47:52,760 --> 02:47:55,560
Speaker 6: deep fry your ramen noodles in the toaster and you're

3672
02:47:55,600 --> 02:47:57,840
Speaker 6: trying to make a burger out of the chili patty,

3673
02:47:57,920 --> 02:48:01,760
Speaker 6: like you're gonna try to get creative. So and that

3674
02:48:01,959 --> 02:48:03,440
Speaker 6: that chapter that we put in the book.

3675
02:48:04,840 --> 02:48:05,360
Speaker 3: I remember.

3676
02:48:05,800 --> 02:48:07,840
Speaker 6: I remember talking to Pea about it and he's like,

3677
02:48:08,200 --> 02:48:09,560
Speaker 6: you know, some of the things were going over and

3678
02:48:09,640 --> 02:48:13,360
Speaker 6: he's like, oh, fucking disgusting, because like, you know, he

3679
02:48:13,879 --> 02:48:17,320
Speaker 6: he was one like he just made a concerted effort

3680
02:48:17,400 --> 02:48:19,680
Speaker 6: to not touch any of that stuff because for him

3681
02:48:19,760 --> 02:48:22,560
Speaker 6: it was like it could it's life, you know. There

3682
02:48:23,320 --> 02:48:26,360
Speaker 6: he caun't eat that stuff, right, So, I mean, I

3683
02:48:26,440 --> 02:48:29,080
Speaker 6: remember when you know, there was like a lot of

3684
02:48:29,080 --> 02:48:30,960
Speaker 6: the guys would go and they would cook together, and

3685
02:48:31,320 --> 02:48:33,400
Speaker 6: I remember, you know, asking Pee like what was the

3686
02:48:33,720 --> 02:48:36,200
Speaker 6: main thing, and he's like, no, I would just have spinach.

3687
02:48:36,400 --> 02:48:37,879
Speaker 6: Like if I didn't if there was if I didn't

3688
02:48:37,920 --> 02:48:40,199
Speaker 6: want to cook, I would just keep eating canned spinach.

3689
02:48:40,560 --> 02:48:41,400
Speaker 9: But you didn't even have to.

3690
02:48:41,520 --> 02:48:43,760
Speaker 6: Wash that off it's like packed with sodium. So there's

3691
02:48:43,800 --> 02:48:45,520
Speaker 6: like really no way out if you don't sit and

3692
02:48:45,600 --> 02:48:48,040
Speaker 6: think about it, which is why we put this book

3693
02:48:48,080 --> 02:48:51,040
Speaker 6: together because it's like, listen, I get it. You know,

3694
02:48:51,200 --> 02:48:53,840
Speaker 6: maybe your commissary is lower than the next guy, but

3695
02:48:53,920 --> 02:48:56,840
Speaker 6: there's ways around what you're choosing to buy and how

3696
02:48:56,879 --> 02:48:58,040
Speaker 6: you're choosing to prepare it.

3697
02:48:58,160 --> 02:49:00,160
Speaker 3: You know, can I ask what was the first then

3698
02:49:00,200 --> 02:49:01,280
Speaker 3: you ate? When you got out?

3699
02:49:02,640 --> 02:49:07,279
Speaker 8: I went to this Korean barbecue spot Corwoulo, Okay downtown

3700
02:49:07,440 --> 02:49:10,560
Speaker 8: and Soho Korean Barbecue. It was really good, and I

3701
02:49:10,680 --> 02:49:14,040
Speaker 8: thought about it the whole big ship. Every time I

3702
02:49:14,080 --> 02:49:15,959
Speaker 8: sat down to h child, I was like, yo, man,

3703
02:49:16,040 --> 02:49:18,680
Speaker 8: if I was home right now, I'll be eating Korean barbecue.

3704
02:49:18,840 --> 02:49:20,080
Speaker 8: Everybody was like, what the fuck is that?

3705
02:49:21,440 --> 02:49:23,560
Speaker 3: You make it yourself? Was me? Rust me?

3706
02:49:23,640 --> 02:49:25,520
Speaker 7: So as soon as I got out, we drove straight

3707
02:49:25,600 --> 02:49:28,080
Speaker 7: to the restaurant and I couldn't wait to eat some

3708
02:49:28,200 --> 02:49:29,120
Speaker 7: more of that good food.

3709
02:49:29,280 --> 02:49:31,200
Speaker 3: What's your diet and stuff like on the day to

3710
02:49:31,280 --> 02:49:35,080
Speaker 3: day now? You know, I just try to my favorite

3711
02:49:35,080 --> 02:49:35,600
Speaker 3: thing to eat it.

3712
02:49:35,640 --> 02:49:39,920
Speaker 8: I try to like grilled chicken, like Kathy said, a

3713
02:49:39,959 --> 02:49:42,800
Speaker 8: lot of green vegetables, a lot of water.

3714
02:49:44,080 --> 02:49:44,800
Speaker 3: Brown rice.

3715
02:49:45,440 --> 02:49:49,240
Speaker 8: You know, I try to just eliminate fried foods and

3716
02:49:49,800 --> 02:49:54,040
Speaker 8: red meats. You know, it takes time to get to

3717
02:49:54,160 --> 02:49:57,800
Speaker 8: that point, a lot of time and discipline. Some people

3718
02:49:58,000 --> 02:49:59,920
Speaker 8: don't like water, you know what I mean. It took

3719
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:03,920
Speaker 8: I mean about a year or two to really get

3720
02:50:04,040 --> 02:50:06,080
Speaker 8: used to, like I could just guzzle water and I

3721
02:50:06,240 --> 02:50:07,160
Speaker 8: love how it tastes.

3722
02:50:07,879 --> 02:50:10,320
Speaker 7: Before that, I was always craving for a juice or you.

3723
02:50:10,320 --> 02:50:10,840
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying.

3724
02:50:11,000 --> 02:50:15,959
Speaker 8: Soa it takes time to develop and discipline your body

3725
02:50:16,520 --> 02:50:18,600
Speaker 8: and your mind and your taste buzz to, you know,

3726
02:50:19,240 --> 02:50:21,800
Speaker 8: to do the right thing. So you know, after a while,

3727
02:50:22,879 --> 02:50:24,520
Speaker 8: you know, even before I went to jail, I was

3728
02:50:24,600 --> 02:50:26,840
Speaker 8: I was already learning that stuff in my twenties, like

3729
02:50:26,879 --> 02:50:30,000
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, And you know, just being

3730
02:50:30,080 --> 02:50:32,040
Speaker 8: locked up it made me like, all right, I want

3731
02:50:32,080 --> 02:50:36,480
Speaker 8: to see what happens if I'm on some military discipline.

3732
02:50:36,480 --> 02:50:36,720
Speaker 3: Shit.

3733
02:50:37,879 --> 02:50:39,840
Speaker 8: I want to see what happens, how my body is

3734
02:50:39,879 --> 02:50:43,200
Speaker 8: going to react, how my mind, how things are going

3735
02:50:43,240 --> 02:50:47,360
Speaker 8: to be different if I, like, on some military discipline.

3736
02:50:47,080 --> 02:50:50,080
Speaker 7: Straight water every day, green vestable. I wanted to see

3737
02:50:50,120 --> 02:50:50,760
Speaker 7: the outcome of that.

3738
02:50:51,360 --> 02:50:53,879
Speaker 8: So I did it, you know what I mean, Because

3739
02:50:53,879 --> 02:50:56,320
Speaker 8: of doing that, I was able to work out, Like

3740
02:50:56,800 --> 02:50:58,440
Speaker 8: you know they tell doctors told me all my life,

3741
02:50:58,480 --> 02:51:02,520
Speaker 8: I can't work out, I can't do any physical contact

3742
02:51:02,720 --> 02:51:06,039
Speaker 8: or streng you with exercise because the triggered is sicker cell.

3743
02:51:06,280 --> 02:51:09,320
Speaker 8: And it's true, like certain things I do, like if

3744
02:51:09,480 --> 02:51:11,920
Speaker 8: I'm running around too much, my heart rates start going

3745
02:51:12,000 --> 02:51:14,680
Speaker 8: too fast, I get to hype my adrenaline and start pumping.

3746
02:51:14,879 --> 02:51:17,560
Speaker 7: It triggered my cikeret cell. It can trigger my cigret sells.

3747
02:51:18,280 --> 02:51:22,360
Speaker 8: So you know, once I cleaned out, changed my diet

3748
02:51:22,400 --> 02:51:24,600
Speaker 8: and was very very very strict with it and with

3749
02:51:24,760 --> 02:51:28,520
Speaker 8: the water, very strict with the with the vegetables and everything.

3750
02:51:28,879 --> 02:51:32,320
Speaker 8: I noticed that I wasn't getting sick. I didn't feel

3751
02:51:32,360 --> 02:51:34,960
Speaker 8: sick at all. I was able to work out, not

3752
02:51:35,120 --> 02:51:36,800
Speaker 8: feel sick like you know what I mean. I was

3753
02:51:37,160 --> 02:51:40,600
Speaker 8: able to get strong and it felt great. It felt great.

3754
02:51:40,640 --> 02:51:42,320
Speaker 7: I was like, Wow, this is l like you know

3755
02:51:42,360 --> 02:51:44,160
Speaker 7: what I'm saying, Because I was already doing it in

3756
02:51:44,200 --> 02:51:44,640
Speaker 7: the streets.

3757
02:51:44,720 --> 02:51:46,280
Speaker 8: Like I said, I learned. I learned how to do that.

3758
02:51:46,360 --> 02:51:49,120
Speaker 8: In my twenties, I kind of fell off, you know

3759
02:51:49,120 --> 02:51:50,520
Speaker 8: what I mean. Right before I went to jail, I

3760
02:51:50,600 --> 02:51:53,040
Speaker 8: started going a little down with Spirals going through some

3761
02:51:53,120 --> 02:51:57,400
Speaker 8: bullshit in my life. But you know I was already

3762
02:51:57,480 --> 02:52:00,600
Speaker 8: with that discipline. I had already changed my life five

3763
02:52:00,720 --> 02:52:05,920
Speaker 8: six years straight no smoking. This is from two thousand,

3764
02:52:06,240 --> 02:52:11,280
Speaker 8: I mean, excuse me, from ninety eight, ninety seven, ninety eight,

3765
02:52:11,560 --> 02:52:14,440
Speaker 8: like two thousand and two, something like that, you know

3766
02:52:14,480 --> 02:52:14,959
Speaker 8: what I'm saying.

3767
02:52:15,680 --> 02:52:19,560
Speaker 7: On two thousand, maybe two thousand and three. You know,

3768
02:52:19,640 --> 02:52:21,160
Speaker 7: I was on some strict diet shit.

3769
02:52:21,360 --> 02:52:24,160
Speaker 8: I was like learning how to heal myself through diet

3770
02:52:24,360 --> 02:52:27,959
Speaker 8: and spirituality. So I did that already and I felt

3771
02:52:27,959 --> 02:52:29,840
Speaker 8: the effects of it. And then I kind of, like

3772
02:52:29,879 --> 02:52:31,680
Speaker 8: I said, I kind of went on Darren spir right

3773
02:52:31,720 --> 02:52:34,039
Speaker 8: before I got locked up. So when I got locked up,

3774
02:52:34,360 --> 02:52:36,600
Speaker 8: I was like, you know what, I want to try

3775
02:52:36,760 --> 02:52:38,760
Speaker 8: what I did, I want to do it to the maximum.

3776
02:52:38,879 --> 02:52:39,039
Speaker 3: Now.

3777
02:52:39,280 --> 02:52:41,200
Speaker 7: I want to really do this shit now, like I said,

3778
02:52:41,640 --> 02:52:43,480
Speaker 7: straight military discipline with it.

3779
02:52:43,680 --> 02:52:46,840
Speaker 1: So what spirituality do you mean? Like meditating, deep breathings.

3780
02:52:46,959 --> 02:52:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like just the powers in your thoughts, affirmations. Yeah,

3781
02:52:50,720 --> 02:52:52,480
Speaker 1: like just the power of your thoughts.

3782
02:52:52,879 --> 02:52:56,840
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, Negative thoughts, like if somebody, like,

3783
02:52:56,959 --> 02:52:59,680
Speaker 8: especially being in jail, everybody got bad attitude. Nobody wants

3784
02:52:59,680 --> 02:53:02,840
Speaker 8: to be everybody's upset. They in jail, like everybody wakes

3785
02:53:02,920 --> 02:53:05,120
Speaker 8: up in the morning pissed off. Nobody even to see.

3786
02:53:05,480 --> 02:53:08,240
Speaker 8: Even the correction officers are pissed off. They gotta work

3787
02:53:08,240 --> 02:53:09,480
Speaker 8: out to be there, you know what I'm saying. So

3788
02:53:10,040 --> 02:53:15,199
Speaker 8: everybody got an attitude in that motherfucker, and especially correction officers.

3789
02:53:15,240 --> 02:53:18,480
Speaker 8: They talk to you like the go do this, go do, go,

3790
02:53:18,720 --> 02:53:21,440
Speaker 8: go wash the toilets, go do like. They boss you around,

3791
02:53:21,560 --> 02:53:24,320
Speaker 8: like they fuck with you, especially when they first meeting

3792
02:53:24,400 --> 02:53:25,920
Speaker 8: you and you didn't know who you are.

3793
02:53:25,959 --> 02:53:27,640
Speaker 3: They fuck with you. They try to press your buttons

3794
02:53:27,680 --> 02:53:32,200
Speaker 3: and see how you react. So I use that as

3795
02:53:33,000 --> 02:53:33,240
Speaker 3: this is.

3796
02:53:33,200 --> 02:53:36,720
Speaker 7: Gonna be my training. I'm gonna control my thoughts as soon.

3797
02:53:36,640 --> 02:53:40,080
Speaker 8: As he or anybody gives me a bad attitude instead

3798
02:53:40,080 --> 02:53:42,640
Speaker 8: of me saying fuck in my mind. My first thought

3799
02:53:42,680 --> 02:53:44,240
Speaker 8: in my mind used to be going to fuck this nigga,

3800
02:53:44,320 --> 02:53:47,840
Speaker 8: like you know what I'm saying, piece of shit. But

3801
02:53:48,000 --> 02:53:51,760
Speaker 8: then now I started practicing. As soon as that thought

3802
02:53:51,800 --> 02:53:53,760
Speaker 8: pops in my head, change it. But like you know what,

3803
02:53:54,920 --> 02:53:57,000
Speaker 8: I pray for him, you know what I'm saying, Hopefully

3804
02:53:57,280 --> 02:53:59,000
Speaker 8: he'll get his thing together. You know what I mean,

3805
02:53:59,040 --> 02:54:00,640
Speaker 8: he don't know what he doing, you know what I'm saying.

3806
02:54:00,879 --> 02:54:03,400
Speaker 8: He's just angry. He got work here. So I pray

3807
02:54:03,480 --> 02:54:05,680
Speaker 8: for this person, that's what. And I've changed my thoughts

3808
02:54:05,720 --> 02:54:08,040
Speaker 8: to that. So I started practicing that in there, and

3809
02:54:08,120 --> 02:54:10,120
Speaker 8: that was like the perfect place to practice that, you

3810
02:54:10,160 --> 02:54:11,320
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, because you're.

3811
02:54:11,160 --> 02:54:14,280
Speaker 7: Dealing with all his tension and foul shit every day.

3812
02:54:14,560 --> 02:54:17,279
Speaker 8: So I would practice that every day every day, practice

3813
02:54:17,320 --> 02:54:20,600
Speaker 8: changing my thoughts immediately as soon as the thought popping mind,

3814
02:54:20,840 --> 02:54:23,040
Speaker 8: I changed it to something else. And then when I

3815
02:54:23,160 --> 02:54:25,680
Speaker 8: kept doing it, it just it happened naturally, you know

3816
02:54:25,720 --> 02:54:26,800
Speaker 8: what I mean. I don't have to think about it

3817
02:54:26,920 --> 02:54:31,440
Speaker 8: no more. And through eating right and you know, thinking different,

3818
02:54:31,800 --> 02:54:35,120
Speaker 8: it changed like spirituality, that changes your spirit. Once you

3819
02:54:35,160 --> 02:54:38,680
Speaker 8: start thinking different, you know, you more at peace. You're

3820
02:54:38,680 --> 02:54:41,720
Speaker 8: more at peace with everybody else and yourself. You know

3821
02:54:41,760 --> 02:54:42,240
Speaker 8: what I'm saying.

3822
02:54:42,320 --> 02:54:45,920
Speaker 7: You you walk peacefully, like you carry yourself peacefully, you

3823
02:54:45,959 --> 02:54:46,520
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying.

3824
02:54:48,000 --> 02:54:50,720
Speaker 8: At the same time, you know, I'm who I am.

3825
02:54:51,000 --> 02:54:53,280
Speaker 8: I grew up how I grew up, So it's not

3826
02:54:53,440 --> 02:54:58,560
Speaker 8: like I turned into some soft sucker motherfucker. I just

3827
02:54:58,640 --> 02:55:01,000
Speaker 8: know how to control my thoughts.

3828
02:55:01,080 --> 02:55:04,160
Speaker 7: Now, you know what I'm saying. Fine, I was gonna.

3829
02:55:03,920 --> 02:55:05,840
Speaker 4: Say too, man. I hear that in the new record too.

3830
02:55:06,240 --> 02:55:07,879
Speaker 4: I listened to it on the plane on the way

3831
02:55:07,879 --> 02:55:08,240
Speaker 4: over here.

3832
02:55:08,320 --> 02:55:08,600
Speaker 3: Thanks.

3833
02:55:08,640 --> 02:55:10,680
Speaker 4: And shit is dope, man, I can hear like just

3834
02:55:10,800 --> 02:55:13,760
Speaker 4: the the I don't want to misquote the liquid. It

3835
02:55:13,840 --> 02:55:16,040
Speaker 4: was one joint in particular you were talking about. You know,

3836
02:55:16,120 --> 02:55:18,120
Speaker 4: it ain't about black and they don't care if you're white.

3837
02:55:18,879 --> 02:55:20,960
Speaker 4: You know, it ain't about your religion. You were just

3838
02:55:21,120 --> 02:55:24,119
Speaker 4: you know, just kind of speaking to tyranny joint tyranny. Yeah,

3839
02:55:24,200 --> 02:55:27,000
Speaker 4: and you're saying, I just tyranny. You tuk about none

3840
02:55:27,000 --> 02:55:27,160
Speaker 4: of that.

3841
02:55:27,520 --> 02:55:30,320
Speaker 8: You know, race don't matter, Yeah, that was it. Your

3842
02:55:30,360 --> 02:55:33,840
Speaker 8: faith don't matter. The enemy is government, tyranny, all that

3843
02:55:33,920 --> 02:55:34,959
Speaker 8: other shit don't matter.

3844
02:55:35,200 --> 02:55:35,840
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying.

3845
02:55:35,879 --> 02:55:39,240
Speaker 8: You rich, don't matter, you broke, don't matter. The enemy,

3846
02:55:39,320 --> 02:55:42,320
Speaker 8: they threaten our liberties, all that other shit don't matter.

3847
02:55:42,480 --> 02:55:43,160
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying.

3848
02:55:43,600 --> 02:55:45,520
Speaker 8: That's what I'm trying to get because they try to

3849
02:55:45,640 --> 02:55:50,959
Speaker 8: like divert our attention with like a lot of racial issues. Now,

3850
02:55:51,000 --> 02:55:53,080
Speaker 8: don't get me wrong, there's a lot of racial issues

3851
02:55:53,120 --> 02:55:56,520
Speaker 8: with this country. Like for a long time, but they

3852
02:55:56,879 --> 02:56:00,920
Speaker 8: magnify that ship on the news, and they magnify so

3853
02:56:01,080 --> 02:56:01,400
Speaker 8: much to.

3854
02:56:01,440 --> 02:56:03,760
Speaker 7: The point where we think it's more than what it

3855
02:56:03,879 --> 02:56:05,320
Speaker 7: really is. You know what I'm saying.

3856
02:56:06,040 --> 02:56:08,400
Speaker 8: And if people only knew we all have a common

3857
02:56:08,560 --> 02:56:13,040
Speaker 8: enemy that's really trying to destroy our spirit and our

3858
02:56:13,160 --> 02:56:16,800
Speaker 8: soul and control our life. We actually have a common enemy,

3859
02:56:17,600 --> 02:56:18,840
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. That's what I was trying

3860
02:56:18,879 --> 02:56:20,160
Speaker 8: to get it cross the point. I was trying to

3861
02:56:20,160 --> 02:56:23,800
Speaker 8: get close on that song. So yeah, you know, I

3862
02:56:23,800 --> 02:56:26,960
Speaker 8: would practice that in jail, and it just it changed me. Man,

3863
02:56:27,240 --> 02:56:29,200
Speaker 8: that's it felt great. I was like, oh shit, this

3864
02:56:29,400 --> 02:56:31,720
Speaker 8: is ill. I was like, this is a great way

3865
02:56:31,800 --> 02:56:34,000
Speaker 8: to think. Like I'm glad I was doing this. I

3866
02:56:34,160 --> 02:56:36,640
Speaker 8: was like, man, this is great man meditation. Well, I

3867
02:56:36,720 --> 02:56:39,600
Speaker 8: was like, I told you this, you know what I mean.

3868
02:56:39,640 --> 02:56:42,039
Speaker 8: It just made me feel better. I felt better every

3869
02:56:42,120 --> 02:56:43,480
Speaker 8: day as a person, like you know what I mean.

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02:56:48,640 --> 02:56:51,600
Speaker 1: Well, Priory, we are going to have to close the show. Unfortunately,

3871
02:56:51,640 --> 02:56:54,160
Speaker 1: we could talk to you forever. I do have one

3872
02:56:54,240 --> 02:56:57,560
Speaker 1: last question, what up though? Are we going to get

3873
02:56:58,840 --> 02:57:02,760
Speaker 1: one more reunion an album out of you and have it?

3874
02:57:03,160 --> 02:57:06,920
Speaker 8: We definitely, man have like crack things when it comes

3875
02:57:06,920 --> 02:57:09,720
Speaker 8: to hip hop, like it's like we that's good ship

3876
02:57:09,800 --> 02:57:11,920
Speaker 8: to know, like rock him like my fiend.

3877
02:57:12,640 --> 02:57:14,520
Speaker 1: So you're about to do something your I know that

3878
02:57:14,640 --> 02:57:18,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna do. Uh, you're doing a few projects with

3879
02:57:18,879 --> 02:57:22,000
Speaker 1: live musicians. You're doing your residency at Blue Note. Yeah

3880
02:57:22,240 --> 02:57:24,480
Speaker 1: that's every month. Yeah, we do it once a month.

3881
02:57:24,560 --> 02:57:26,680
Speaker 3: Did So how can people find out like news about

3882
02:57:27,080 --> 02:57:29,080
Speaker 3: upcoming dates with you and that sort of thing?

3883
02:57:29,879 --> 02:57:32,360
Speaker 8: I always tell people, like, you know, you can always Google,

3884
02:57:32,680 --> 02:57:34,480
Speaker 8: you know what I mean? Hit hit up Google, like, Yo,

3885
02:57:35,280 --> 02:57:36,120
Speaker 8: are you on Twitter?

3886
02:57:36,320 --> 02:57:38,039
Speaker 7: Or yeah, yeah, I'm on.

3887
02:57:38,120 --> 02:57:44,280
Speaker 8: Twitter, Mob Deep, Instagram, Prodigy, mob Deep. But I forget

3888
02:57:44,320 --> 02:57:46,400
Speaker 8: sometime myself. If you want to know what any of

3889
02:57:46,440 --> 02:57:49,360
Speaker 8: your favorite artists is performing, or when a new album

3890
02:57:49,440 --> 02:57:51,240
Speaker 8: is dropping, you could go right on Google and just

3891
02:57:51,320 --> 02:57:53,760
Speaker 8: be like yo, all Deep new album or Prodigy new

3892
02:57:54,200 --> 02:57:56,080
Speaker 8: concert or you know what I'm saying, like and it'll

3893
02:57:56,120 --> 02:57:57,560
Speaker 8: all pop up like you know what I'm.

3894
02:57:57,400 --> 02:58:01,119
Speaker 3: Saying or you you I guess.

3895
02:58:02,040 --> 02:58:02,160
Speaker 2: Uh.

3896
02:58:02,920 --> 02:58:11,119
Speaker 3: Cleverly released the Hegelian Dialog Dialectic on January twenty inauguration,

3897
02:58:11,480 --> 02:58:12,280
Speaker 3: which was yeah I.

3898
02:58:12,320 --> 02:58:14,440
Speaker 7: Was gonna say and I was planned out. We did

3899
02:58:14,520 --> 02:58:17,039
Speaker 7: that on I figgured as much.

3900
02:58:18,280 --> 02:58:20,520
Speaker 3: Oh his birthday and your birthday.

3901
02:58:20,640 --> 02:58:25,600
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's all about you, right, Okay, Well, Kaffy

3902
02:58:25,840 --> 02:58:29,440
Speaker 1: and Prigy, I thank you very much for uh yeah,

3903
02:58:29,520 --> 02:58:32,800
Speaker 1: thank you. I don't even think I'll go through the

3904
02:58:32,840 --> 02:58:35,400
Speaker 1: customary what we learned thing because I think we learned

3905
02:58:35,879 --> 02:58:37,280
Speaker 1: everything at the same time.

3906
02:58:37,520 --> 02:58:37,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

3907
02:58:37,760 --> 02:58:39,840
Speaker 7: Man, shout to everybody too. Man, I always got to

3908
02:58:39,879 --> 02:58:40,080
Speaker 7: do this.

3909
02:58:40,240 --> 02:58:40,400
Speaker 6: Man.

3910
02:58:40,440 --> 02:58:44,560
Speaker 3: Shout to jay Z, shout to NAS, shout. Oh my niggas.

3911
02:58:44,640 --> 02:58:44,840
Speaker 8: Man.

3912
02:58:44,879 --> 02:58:46,880
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, so love you know I

3913
02:58:46,959 --> 02:58:47,879
Speaker 7: funk with your niggas.

3914
02:58:47,920 --> 02:58:48,040
Speaker 10: Man.

3915
02:58:48,840 --> 02:58:51,040
Speaker 7: He is like, Man, I'm a fan of jay Z.

3916
02:58:51,120 --> 02:58:51,680
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

3917
02:58:51,720 --> 02:58:53,760
Speaker 7: We went through our ship. I'm a fan. I love son.

3918
02:58:53,840 --> 02:58:54,680
Speaker 7: He's one of the illis.

3919
02:58:54,720 --> 02:58:57,039
Speaker 8: I learned so much from him watching him do business,

3920
02:58:57,800 --> 02:59:00,800
Speaker 8: carry yourself saying with NASM so much by how he

3921
02:59:00,879 --> 02:59:03,800
Speaker 8: writes his songs and make his music. Like, you know

3922
02:59:03,840 --> 02:59:06,240
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. It ain't no, ain't no beef, ain't

3923
02:59:06,280 --> 02:59:07,960
Speaker 8: no none of that ship. Man, were grown.

3924
02:59:08,000 --> 02:59:09,119
Speaker 7: We're nowolved.

3925
02:59:09,400 --> 02:59:10,959
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Yo, But you gotta get

3926
02:59:10,959 --> 02:59:12,560
Speaker 5: out the comments. Don't read them comments no more.

3927
02:59:12,600 --> 02:59:18,840
Speaker 3: The comments be better than the articles.

3928
02:59:20,160 --> 02:59:23,400
Speaker 5: When they're taking him down too much. I remember none

3929
02:59:23,440 --> 02:59:24,880
Speaker 5: of the positive. You don't remember the negative.

3930
02:59:25,040 --> 02:59:27,320
Speaker 8: Joe the listeners out there, man, you know what I mean.

3931
02:59:27,879 --> 02:59:30,160
Speaker 8: Anybody can go to jail. I was locked up with

3932
02:59:30,280 --> 02:59:33,600
Speaker 8: a lot of characters from different walks of life. Bill,

3933
02:59:34,840 --> 02:59:38,360
Speaker 8: anybody could getting locked YouTube can go to jail.

3934
02:59:38,879 --> 02:59:43,040
Speaker 3: I was in there with judges, das, detectives.

3935
02:59:43,280 --> 02:59:44,640
Speaker 5: My prisoner friend just said that the other day he

3936
02:59:44,720 --> 02:59:46,160
Speaker 5: and there with engineers, barmbers.

3937
02:59:46,200 --> 02:59:49,760
Speaker 8: I was in the millionaires engineers. Anybody could get locked up.

3938
02:59:49,879 --> 02:59:51,920
Speaker 8: Mistakes happy, You know what I mean. You can make

3939
02:59:51,920 --> 02:59:54,720
Speaker 8: a mistake, a fatal mistake, and end up going to jail.

3940
02:59:55,040 --> 02:59:57,400
Speaker 8: And from any walk of life. Look at Martha Stewart.

3941
02:59:57,680 --> 03:00:00,240
Speaker 8: So when I'm saying that is just you know, stay

3942
03:00:00,240 --> 03:00:01,640
Speaker 8: out of jail, man. You ain't got to eat that

3943
03:00:01,720 --> 03:00:02,280
Speaker 8: crap man.

3944
03:00:04,120 --> 03:00:06,080
Speaker 9: Out the corner store. Stay out the corner store.

3945
03:00:06,120 --> 03:00:07,720
Speaker 7: Man, stay as in the street man.

3946
03:00:07,760 --> 03:00:09,920
Speaker 3: Do the right thing. And on that note, on b

3947
03:00:09,959 --> 03:00:14,360
Speaker 3: A for Prodigy Kathy Yndly, I got it.

3948
03:00:14,480 --> 03:00:18,080
Speaker 1: Finally, Sugar Sugar Steve, Damned Sugar Steve.

3949
03:00:18,120 --> 03:00:27,240
Speaker 3: We didn't even bring up your Sugar Sugars book exactly.

3950
03:00:28,040 --> 03:00:28,680
Speaker 3: And get diabetes.

3951
03:00:28,720 --> 03:00:29,720
Speaker 1: But you can just hang out with you and get

3952
03:00:29,760 --> 03:00:35,240
Speaker 1: that no, no, whatever whatever, Fay Bill Bossonville, Fan Ticolo,

3953
03:00:35,640 --> 03:00:36,240
Speaker 1: and Margaret.

3954
03:00:36,760 --> 03:00:38,879
Speaker 3: Are you Margaret? How many prisons you've been to in Jersey?

3955
03:00:39,440 --> 03:00:43,000
Speaker 3: Like five? Mar everywhere? You know prison tool.

3956
03:00:44,280 --> 03:00:46,720
Speaker 1: This is Quest Love, Quest Love Supreme. We will see

3957
03:00:46,760 --> 03:00:48,920
Speaker 1: you on the next around. Thank you very much.

3958
03:00:49,080 --> 03:00:49,720
Speaker 3: Ye see it.

3959
03:00:54,520 --> 03:00:57,720
Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production i Heeart Radio. This

3960
03:00:57,879 --> 03:01:04,400
Speaker 1: classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. For

3961
03:01:04,520 --> 03:01:08,720
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3962
03:01:09,200 --> 03:01:10,879
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