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Speaker 1: Fish Unfiltered, Episode eighty four. I'm Ken Brawl with my

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Speaker 1: friend and host Isaac Zooit and we are back from

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Speaker 1: Let's get to it. Yeah, let's start with Winter meetings.

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Speaker 3: It was it was fun.

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Speaker 1: It was a good time, but it was very boring

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Speaker 1: if you were a Marlins fan, at least from the

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Speaker 1: outside looking in, Isaac, what were your main takeaways from

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Speaker 1: the Winter meetings? I will say, if you're a baseball fan,

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Speaker 1: this was awesome. I mean, Peter Alonzo, Schwarber, Edwin Diaz,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Finnegan, from the reliever side of things, Gregorizota, if

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Speaker 1: you care about that one. There were signings. They were

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Speaker 1: definitely moves made. There were signings made. It was it

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Speaker 1: was a good time. We had a good time there

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Speaker 1: in Orlando and can't complain.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you're a Marlins fan, it's nothing

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Speaker 2: new that the Winter meetings were relatively quiet. Obviously last

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Speaker 2: year the Jake Berger trade did happen during the Winter meetings,

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Speaker 2: but other than that, it had been a few years

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Speaker 2: since anything significant happened on the Marlins front, so nothing

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Speaker 2: surprising there.

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Speaker 3: There were a handful of rumors.

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Speaker 2: That we were able to report, a couple of coaching hirings,

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Speaker 2: coaching staff hirings, and departures as well. We had an

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Speaker 2: Opening Day movement time movement as well reported during.

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Speaker 1: The winter that was the big movie of the winter.

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Speaker 3: Meeting, the big move you.

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Speaker 2: Had the draft lottery take place. I think Major League

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Speaker 2: Baseball was doing their best to have all these events

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Speaker 2: happened during the winter meetings, so that way, when teams

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Speaker 2: like the Marlins and others don't really do much, they

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Speaker 2: come away with some news at least. So I'm sure

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Speaker 2: we'll get into all of it.

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Speaker 1: We were both at the at the draft lottery. I

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Speaker 1: want to go with that because clearly, once again, the

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Speaker 1: Marlins could have gone any worse. I think they were

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Speaker 1: which we spoke to Frankie Pilaria the next day, and

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Speaker 1: he did say, you know, there's some good players have

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Speaker 1: gone at fourteen. How was Fernandez? Cliff Floyd I believe

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Speaker 1: especially where you were supposed to go. And I will

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Speaker 1: say the production level of this seeing it live, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like Frankie said, very good players have gone

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Speaker 2: So I think the draft war doesn't mean much. But

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Speaker 2: they did fall five spots and fourteen overall. Yes, the

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Speaker 2: only time that Marlins did have the fourteenth O World

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Speaker 2: Each team that is eligible for the lottery has a representative.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then just looking really quickly at what the

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Speaker 1: so we'll see. Obviously, this is always best pick available,

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Speaker 1: so you never know what's going to happen, what seasons

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Speaker 2: No, this will be the third one under Peter and Frankie.

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Speaker 2: through draft development and trades, and you have to get

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Speaker 1: I'm curious. So obviously a higher pick last Lester was

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Speaker 3: You think of. Well, remember so choosing a high school

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Speaker 2: You know, Bobby Wood junior was not a lot of

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Speaker 2: What worries me, which is what they I think you're

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Speaker 3: And next year's draft, No, I.

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Speaker 2: Think it doesn't worry me necessarily because I think they're

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Speaker 1: Then to Rule five, I want to dive into this

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Speaker 3: It's not a huge risk for a player that has

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Speaker 1: a shock. The reason don't give out a lot of

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Speaker 1: multi year deals, and the Marlins don't want to do

435
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Speaker 1: that either, and it's gonna be tough to see them

436
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Speaker 1: give out maybe a one plus one with a club option,

437
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Speaker 1: like you don't or you're not. They're not gonna give

438
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Speaker 1: out player options either. So we saw that with the

439
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Speaker 1: Morale signing, which has a little caveat in there, which

440
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Speaker 1: we'll talk about in a bit, but just your thoughts

441
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Speaker 1: on the report and how much do you think that's

442
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 1: limited the Marlins ability to go after the Devin Williams

443
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 1: of the world, the Hells Leaves and we as Rogers

444
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Speaker 1: was one or Tyler, I don't know which one ended

445
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Speaker 1: up signing, but he got a three year deal, just

446
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Speaker 1: like we had mentioned in the in the article. And

447
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Speaker 1: on top of that, Peter Fairbanks looking less and less

448
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Speaker 1: likely to to become a Marlin.

449
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, to answer your question how much.

450
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Speaker 2: Yes, it completely keeps them from signing any of these

451
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Speaker 2: half decent free agents. And yeah, it was Tyler Rogers

452
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Speaker 2: who signed a three year deal. Obviously that was gonna

453
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Speaker 2: be out of Miami's price range. And yes, their reluctance

454
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Speaker 2: are the fact that they just don't want to give

455
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Speaker 2: out a multi deal completely limits them from signing anyone,

456
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Speaker 2: anyone that's even somewhat okay on the free agent market.

457
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Speaker 3: So it's gonna be.

458
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Speaker 2: Tough, and you they can, you know, high behind the

459
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Speaker 2: fact that they say it's because they don't want to

460
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Speaker 2: block young players. All they want the real The reality

461
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Speaker 2: is is that the CBA expires after this year and

462
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Speaker 2: after next season, it's going to be a whole different ballgame.

463
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Speaker 2: Whether it's a I think there's gonna be a floor,

464
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Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a cap, and that's just

465
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Speaker 2: gonna make everything a completely different story. I'm just gonna

466
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Speaker 2: be able to get one hundred million dollars player for

467
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Speaker 2: maybe eighty seventy five million with the Dodgers cannot continue

468
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Speaker 2: to at every single player. So that's what they're doing.

469
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Speaker 2: And they can say that they like Davis and Delo Sanders,

470
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Speaker 2: which I'm sure they do to an extent. But the

471
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Speaker 2: reason they're not offering multilayer deals is not because they

472
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Speaker 2: don't want to block Davison Del's.

473
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Speaker 3: This is my opinion.

474
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Speaker 2: I assume that's the case because it's that's as high

475
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Speaker 2: risk of a player as there is in Davison.

476
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Speaker 3: So if they if they.

477
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Speaker 2: Don't want to sign you know, Pete Alonzo to three

478
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Speaker 2: years because of Davis, and it's you know, that's that's

479
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Speaker 2: kind of funny.

480
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Speaker 1: Yeah, There's there's not a lot left out there in

481
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Speaker 1: this free agent market from in terms of relievers. So

482
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Speaker 1: there's Peter Fairbanks obviously, that's that's the one name that

483
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Speaker 1: continues to be out there. What we've heard is that

484
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Speaker 1: he's probably gonna get more than what he was more

485
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Speaker 1: than with a club option was a client for which

486
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Speaker 1: was eleven point five million dollars. So he all of

487
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Speaker 1: a sudden just doesn't really become an option there. And

488
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Speaker 1: aside from that, Isaac, like, what you what are you

489
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Speaker 1: looking at at this point? Like do you think there's

490
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Speaker 1: there's any more guys available that you would look like?

491
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just reading down the list right now

492
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Speaker 1: of relievers. Nick Martinez, David Robertson, Kirby Yates, Rathajo Montero,

493
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Speaker 1: Taylor Rogers is still out there, jose Leclerk, Jordan Romano,

494
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Speaker 1: Tommy Kinley. It's not it's Romino, is it not.

495
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Speaker 3: I think it's Romano.

496
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Speaker 1: I was told there's Ramino at one point, but it's okay, Romano.

497
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Speaker 1: But anyways, anyone that you believe would still be of

498
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Speaker 1: use to the Marlins, Tyler. The Rogers twins were both reported,

499
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Speaker 1: so one of them is still out there, and one

500
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Speaker 1: of them did get a three year deal, so now

501
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Speaker 1: it's the other one. I think the submarine is the

502
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Speaker 1: one who got the three year deal, and then the

503
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Speaker 1: other one's still love.

504
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Taylor Rodgers is the left that's still available.

505
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Speaker 2: I think he is someone that could make a little

506
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Speaker 2: bit sense for Miami. Obviously, their lack of left handed

507
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Speaker 2: relief depth has been well documented, with them seemingly going

508
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Speaker 2: in projected with Josh Simpson and Kate Gibson, so they

509
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Speaker 2: could definitely use a little left handed relief option. We

510
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Speaker 2: even heard though Kevin during the winter meetings that they're

511
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Speaker 2: not going to prioritize that, but if they see a

512
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Speaker 2: relief that they like any habits to be left handed, great,

513
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Speaker 2: that's a plus, although that's not the way I would

514
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Speaker 2: go at it because I think right handed relief options

515
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Speaker 2: on internally are pretty damn good. I know there's some

516
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Speaker 2: disagreements internally with us on our staff, but I think

517
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Speaker 2: that they're in a pretty good position there and I

518
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Speaker 2: would really prioritize lefty relievers.

519
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Speaker 3: So Taylor Rodgers would make a ton of sense. He's

520
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Speaker 3: already thirty.

521
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Speaker 2: Five years old. Former Marlin Ryan Stannick is also still available.

522
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Speaker 2: It's another name that I had heard someone mentioned a while.

523
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Speaker 3: Ago, but we will have to see.

524
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Speaker 2: I think that's going to wait until after the new

525
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: year anyway, or maybe we could see them link up

526
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: with the Padres or who knows another team on a trade.

527
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Speaker 2: I think that seems just as likely as a free

528
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Speaker 2: agent signing.

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Speaker 1: Alrighty, going into the free agent signing, it was Christopher Morrell.

530
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Speaker 1: It was reported originally by Mike Rodriguez, I think it was,

531
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Speaker 1: and we were able to confirm that very quickly after,

532
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Speaker 1: so it was a one John Hammond reports that is

533
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Speaker 1: a one year, two million dollar deal. The caveat with

534
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Speaker 1: that is that Morell is technically under club control until

535
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty nine, so he has two more arbitration years

536
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Speaker 1: left if the moders decided to keep him around, because

537
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Speaker 1: they could obviously the fam it is Romin, it is Romano.

538
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Speaker 1: So for those that care, uh, Morell last season just

539
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Speaker 1: was not very good to say, at least two nineteen,

540
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Speaker 1: two eighty nine, three ninety six with a six eighty

541
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Speaker 1: four oh ps eleven home rounds thirty three RBIs in

542
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Speaker 1: a ninety WRC plus. So but I think people remember

543
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Speaker 1: Christopher Morell from his twenty twenty three season with the Cubs,

544
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Speaker 1: where he was really good. Twenty six home rounds, had

545
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Speaker 1: a one twenty WRC plus was very very good. But

546
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Speaker 1: the expectation from what we heard is that he will

547
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Speaker 1: be playing first base with the Marlins, so a position.

548
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Speaker 1: He has played a lot of positions in his major

549
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Speaker 1: league career, first base is not one of them, so

550
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Speaker 1: he will play there. He will probably platoon with Eric

551
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Speaker 1: Wagman if they both make the opening day roster, but

552
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Speaker 1: there obviously lives the platoon options of Liam Hicks and

553
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Speaker 1: Grand Poly. But Isaac, I know this is the name

554
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Speaker 1: that you had kind of expressed your interests in very

555
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Speaker 1: early on when he was defaide as a potential bounceback option,

556
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Speaker 1: and just your thoughts on this signing.

557
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Speaker 3: You're right, Kevin.

558
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Speaker 2: He has played every single position on the diamond in

559
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Speaker 2: his MAE except catcher in first base, so I don't

560
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Speaker 2: think he's only going to be playing first base with

561
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Speaker 2: the Marlins. From what I understand, I think he is

562
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Speaker 2: going to play some first against left hand pitching, you know,

563
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Speaker 2: maybe give Pauli or no, I'm sorry, not Paully.

564
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Speaker 3: I guess it'd be him and Wagman splitting time at

565
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Speaker 3: first base.

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Speaker 2: I know Liam Hicks would also not be playing first

567
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 2: against the lefty either, so I think that's when you

568
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: can see him mostly against left handed pitching, and then

569
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Speaker 2: you're gonna see him the outfield, I guess a little bit.

570
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Speaker 2: You know, Miami's left handed heavy outfield with star Wars

571
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Speaker 2: Marci Conine, who was reported he's gonna play a little

572
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Speaker 2: bit of first base as well. I just don't see

573
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Speaker 2: a path for him to play first base every single

574
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Speaker 2: day or every single time that he's in the lineup.

575
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Speaker 2: So you could see him play a little bit of

576
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Speaker 2: third base, you could see him play little bit of

577
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Speaker 2: corner outfield spots. So I think in that case he

578
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 2: fits in quite well as versatility anyway. But yeah, we

579
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Speaker 2: mentioned it on the site that his production offensively is

580
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Speaker 2: just taking a huge step back from his twenty twenty

581
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: three season where he just hit for power. It was

582
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: not striking out a ton since being traded over the Rays,

583
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: just a ton of strikeouts. And I guess Miami referenced

584
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 2: that maybe hitting coach Paedri Gurrow can unlock something or

585
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: re unlock something that could help him put the ball

586
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Speaker 2: play more and tap into that power more consistently.

587
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's good against right handed pitching, so versus righties.

588
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: He's gonna play against the righties, Wagman would play against lefties.

589
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: Is kind of how I see it happening if if

590
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: both make the opening their roster. That's that's the other

591
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: thing too. Morell has a career seven twenty six ops

592
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: against right handed pitching. I apologize and then against that. Yeah,

593
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, I think it's a smart

594
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: signing too, because if he does have a really good season,

595
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you have him for two more years after that.

596
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: So that's definitely the good part of that. Anything else

597
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: with that signing, anything else you want to kind of

598
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: touch on there with with with someone like Morell, who

599
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it could be a good

600
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Speaker 1: opportunity for him personally. I mean, apparently there was interest

601
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Speaker 1: from international teams KBO, MPB, so the Marlins were in

602
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: a little bitting war with teams that aren't even Major

603
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: League Baseball teams, but they were in a bidding war

604
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: with with the MPB and KBL.

605
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: Such a great such a great sign though, when the

606
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Speaker 2: only teams you're competing with the signer free aren't even

607
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball, right But.

608
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: With Marlo, it all depends on what ends up happening afterward.

609
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: If this is with their solution for first base, which

610
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: is just going to be him, Hicks, Wagaman Davison in

611
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 2: the second half, then you know, I don't think any

612
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: of us are really gonna love it.

613
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: It's too early to tell this is this is it

614
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: for the offseason.

615
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 2: Maybe they go out and sign another first baseman and

616
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: that would make some of their other options expendable. So

617
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: we'll just have to wait and see if this is

618
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: the way they're going to go for this year. Just

619
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Speaker 2: given the fact that CBA is gonna expire after next year,

620
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 2: and then after that we might see them pursue some

621
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Speaker 2: more I guess sexy names or options.

622
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Speaker 3: Then so be it.

623
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Speaker 2: But we'll have to wait and see for the end

624
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: of the off season to see it. How we would

625
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: grade this this signing, because if he's your guy at

626
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: first base, I probably grade a little bit lower.

627
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: If he's just a depth piece, then maybe grade a

628
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: little bit higher.

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Speaker 1: I also think a big thing with this offseason so

630
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Speaker 1: far has just been the magnitude of these contracts, especially

631
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Speaker 1: with the reliever market.

632
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

633
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: I mean we spoke about Hellsley. I think of the

634
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: live stream on the last live stream, like he got

635
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: a lot bigger a contract than we would have expected.

636
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: Same Evan Williams. But again, you look with Williams specifically

637
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: because I know that's the big name everyone wanted. You

638
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: look at the underlying numbers. He was really freaking good,

639
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: Like he was really good after that first after a

640
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: really bad first month, he really tightened up and he

641
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: was good. So that's something I look at. And then

642
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: with Hellsley, I don't know, I really don't know. I

643
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: think if you're the Ools, you just had to overpay

644
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: to get a player like that on your team and

645
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: then we've seen someone like Rogers go to the Blue

646
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: Jays for three years. I didn't expect that he got

647
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: a three year deal like forty million, thirty eight million dollars.

648
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: So I don't think the Oils are overpaying or anyone's

649
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: overpaying that some teams are somethings. I think the Blue

650
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Speaker 2: Jays overpaid for Dyllancies, for example. But it's not easy

651
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: to get people to go play in Canada. But there, like,

652
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: that's just what we just look at it as overpaid

653
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: because the Martins just weren't willing to do it put

654
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: in a lot of money. It just seems like, oh

655
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: my god, two years twenty eight, I think, is what

656
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: Hellsley got. Seems like so much. Tyler Rodgers one of

657
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: the most dependable guys in all the Major League Baseball.

658
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: The guy is not landed on the IL and I

659
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: don't know how long.

660
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: So I think that's how these players are able to

661
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: command such lucrative multi year deals. And you know, obviously

662
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: to us, which is perfectly fair. But yeah, to us,

663
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: it seems like they're overpaying. But I guess that's just

664
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: what the market is. Because plant every single reliever has

665
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: gotten a multi year deal and for pretty substantial money

666
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: per year as well.

667
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think Mina is gonna have to settle.

668
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: For a couple of NRIs and hope like a Ron

669
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: henricaz Guy, a waiver claim or whatever it may be,

670
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to go that route for for another

671
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: for another high leverage reliever.

672
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the nleast because a lot

673
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: has happened there, especially I mean literally maybe what five

674
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: minutes before we started recording, but always Garcia signs a

675
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: one year deal with the Phillies, so he's going to

676
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: be there right fielder. And for anyone who thinks Nick

677
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: Costianos could be a Marlin, that will not happen. We

678
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: have heard that that is not an option, so that

679
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: that will not happen. Nick Costianas will not be a

680
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: Miami Marlin. No homecoming for for the Miami native Isaac.

681
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: But I mean, then you look at the Phillies adding

682
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: and then you look at the Mets losing. They lost

683
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: Edwin Diaz and Pete Wanzo on back to back days

684
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: as bad as it gets. Oh and I forgot Kylee

685
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: Swarber resigned with the Phillies. So the analyst is getting

686
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 1: better and better. I mean, you know, at least one

687
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: team and the Mets trying to see what they could do.

688
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: They're they're big signing so far. What Christian Pasche who

689
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: just signed a minor league deal midway recording this podcast.

690
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: So your thoughts on the additional League East and all

691
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: those moves that had been made. I'm definitely forgetting it. Oh,

692
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: Robert Suarez soned with the Mets, right, No, he's signed

693
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: with the signed with Atlanta. Atlanta got Yastremski, Robert Suarez,

694
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: the Mets got Devin Williams, and Alyssa is loading up. Unfortunately,

695
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: I've been on the wrong end of that right well.

696
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: With the Phillies, yes, they did.

697
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Speaker 2: Their big deal was to bring back Shover five years,

698
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty, which really shocked me because that's

699
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: been taking me to do his age thirty eight season.

700
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: But if there's a safe offensive profile, it's him. You

701
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: just knows he's gonna hit forty home runs every single

702
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: year in that ballpark for the rest of that contract,

703
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: or at least the first three years of that contract

704
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: before he gets into his really late thirties. And then

705
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: with Garcia Adolis Garcia, he's got just a good a

706
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: chance to be good as freaking Christopher Morel does, so

707
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: I don't think that makes them necessarily better. If they

708
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: do unlock something great, he can hit another couple of

709
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: twenty home runs and recapture that twenty twenty.

710
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: Three World Series season. The Mets.

711
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: They did sign Horiy Polanco to a two year, forty

712
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: million dollars deal. Injuries have been a little bit of

713
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: a concern for him, but he makes them significantly better.

714
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: They did obviously Trey brandon Nimo for Marcus Simeon and

715
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: to go along with Yes, the loss of Edwin Diaz

716
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: hurts a lot, especially they did sign Devin Williams, but

717
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: you know, it would have been really cool for the

718
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: Mets to have both those guys at the back end

719
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: of their bullpen. And then the Braves, we know what

720
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: they did. They resigned Ya Galacias, signed Robert Swarrez, and

721
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: that also forms one of the most formidable back end

722
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: bullpens in the National League.

723
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 3: Makes it even tougher for Marlins fans.

724
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: And then the other time, even closing Swars is the

725
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: setup man, Risel will remain the.

726
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: Closer, yeah right for now anyway, and then have a spectrum.

727
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: You guys have the Nationals that are listening on offers

728
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: on mackenzie Gore and listening on C. J.

729
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: Abrams.

730
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're in trade both those guys.

731
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: Seems highly unlikely. McKenzie Gore seems to make a lot

732
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: of sense to get this done this offseason rather than next.

733
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: And then you have the Marlins with made a couple

734
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: of coaching hires and have signed Christopher Morell to a

735
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: one year, two million dollars deal. Uh So, yeah, the

736
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: NA Least will always be one of the most difficult

737
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: divisions at all of Major League Baseball, along with the

738
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: AL Least. Oh, I feel like I'm missing a team. No,

739
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: the Phillias Matts Braves.

740
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Speaker 3: That's it. So yeah, it's gonna be a tough season.

741
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: Obviously, Now it matters a little bit less given that

742
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: you're playing every single team in Major League Baseball and

743
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: facing the division rivals. I think six times instead of eighteen.

744
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: There's less times overall than you have in years previous.

745
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's gonna be a it's gonna be a

746
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: fun with time.

747
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: Last thing I want to bring out it and I

748
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: was just kind of I've seen this, maybe yesterdayor a

749
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: couple days ago, I dropped from the Athletic. Beginning next season,

750
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: MLB will regulate the in game technology available for use

751
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: across all minor league ballparks in multiple leagues, and team

752
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: sources told the Athletic whatever the move is designated to

753
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: bring parity and quell that until now has been an

754
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: unchecked arms race, so some teams will have essentially what

755
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: this means is limited use of technology and or availability

756
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: to the stats and all that. So they just wanted

757
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: it to be fair. And for the Marlins, who were

758
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: pretty behind when it comes to the analytics department and

759
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: the use of technology and have really grown to have

760
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: one of the biggest departments in all of baseball. According

761
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: to Bruce, I don't know. I feel like this kind

762
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: of hurts them out, and definitely minorly, it is a

763
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: big part of what the Marlins are trying to do

764
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: development and all that stuff. So I want to get

765
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 1: your very quick thoughts because I didn't find this interesting

766
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: as we always have rule changes in Major League Baseball

767
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: and now we have kind of a weird one with

768
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: this one.

769
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

770
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: Well, I'm reading this article for the first time right

771
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: here live while recording this on Monday, December fifteenth, And

772
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 2: I like this example that the Athletic mentions here. While

773
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: some organizations have spent to install the Hawkeye tracking data

774
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: at all their minor league stadiums, others have not, and

775
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 2: that would change with some centralization in which MLB would

776
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: pay to install the new technology where needed. So it

777
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: just seems like it's going to be a level playing

778
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: field in a lot of technology, technology aspects of Major

779
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: League Baseball all around. So just I don't think it

780
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 2: affects the Marlins too much anyway, because they seem to

781
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 2: be ahead of the curb at this stage. So yeah,

782
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: it's gonna be interesting to follow that as well, going

783
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 2: right away going into spring training.

784
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, because for what it's worth, I mean, we have

785
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: it at triple A, we see it there, we get

786
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: the information, the information at low A. We don't get

787
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: it at high end. We don't get it at double A.

788
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: So for a lot of those levels, so I'll be

789
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: curious to see what that looks like. Now, I just

790
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: want to quickly mention I felt it goes worth noting

791
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: anything else before we wrap up. Thirty six minutes in,

792
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: I think we kind of covered everything. We had to

793
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: unless there's something I'm missing.

794
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: No, like I said, it's the number fifteen, the next

795
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: big date on the calendar. I'm sure I'm missing something,

796
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: but yeah, we usually pitches and catches report in this

797
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: early second week of February, so.

798
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: It is coming up.

799
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: It feels like this offseason has sort of flown by

800
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: the Winter meetings right now behind us. There are still

801
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: a lot of moves that we expect the Marlins to

802
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: still make. For example, I expect them to trade Edward Cabrera.

803
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 3: I really do.

804
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: And oh, we didn't even talk about that.

805
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, we sort of beat it down the bush, But yeah,

806
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: I do expect him to be moved at some point.

807
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: I think the Mardels are going to be targeting some

808
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: offensive bats to help them out in the near future.

809
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: I expect the Marlins to either sign or trade for

810
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: a high leverage reliever. And they still do need to

811
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: replace sorry, they still do need to replace the assistant

812
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: pitching coach position.

813
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: So a few more things left to do.

814
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, with Cabrera, the reports coming out, it's the Orioles

815
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: and the Giants were the two teams that were mentioned.

816
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: This was before the Morales signing, so I think everyone rightfully,

817
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: so was targeting a first baseman. I don't know what

818
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: that what the Morale signing does to change that target

819
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: of that, but I would still trade for Bryce Aldridge

820
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: if given the opportunity, still trade for Kobe Mayo if

821
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: given the opportunity. I know some people aren't big Kobe

822
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: Neo fans. I think a change of senior he can

823
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: help the guy who knows and coming to a different

824
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: organization can help him. He's not gonna play in Baltimore

825
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: out with Pete a Lonzo there, so that definitely gives

826
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: them rows, I guess, better leverage to get a little

827
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: bit more from a team like the Orioles and Oriels

828
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: still starting pitching. It seems like they're still trying to

829
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: get a Ranger Suarez or fra Ambravaldez. We're still out

830
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: there in the market in free agency. But Hour Cabrera

831
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: seems like a really hot trade commodity, and I think

832
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: Barry Jackson reported that the Marlins are still expected to

833
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: try to acquire another bat via trade, so that could

834
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: be it.

835
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 2: I don't see where that another bat could possibly fit

836
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: immediately unless you go get a third basement, but it

837
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: seems it seems like the Martins are very happy with

838
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: what they got up the middle, in the outfield spots

839
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: behind the dish for sure. So you know, there's not

840
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: a ton of room, which is something that we haven't

841
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: been able to say in years previous. There there's they

842
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: actually have pretty good depth around the horn. Given assuming

843
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: that nobody takes a g enormous step back, which it's baseball,

844
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 2: it can easily happen.

845
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the last thing WBC coming up, that's

846
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: the next big playing events that are coming up. Sandy

847
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: will be participating for the Dominican Republic, although the Dominican

848
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,959
Speaker 1: Republic themselves couldn't confirm that. Craignish reported that I will

849
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: always believe Craignish and Otto lope As will be participating

850
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: for Team Canada. So those are the two confirmed ones.

851
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: We're hearing of another potential marlin. We will have more

852
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: information when that is becoming a little more official. Just

853
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: depends if you can actually play for the team or not,

854
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: which with WBC usually most of the times if you

855
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: have some sort of relative you could play, so very

856
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: loose rules there. I know you're not a big fan

857
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: of those play the color they're fans of it. They

858
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: like the WBC.

859
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we last time this happened, we were speaking with

860
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 2: Kim Ang about it, and she was very happy letting

861
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: all her players play. Gene Sigura, Johnny Quato, San Luisa Rise.

862
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's all up for the federation. There are

863
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 3: a couple of Marlins, like Kevin.

864
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 2: Mentioned, that are waiting to hear back if they will play.

865
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's very liberal rulings on what teams you

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Speaker 2: can play for.

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Speaker 3: I will never forget. I think it was Yestremski or

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Speaker 3: if you're married to someone who, for example.

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Speaker 1: Is oh you're thinking of what's his name? Alex Dickerson.

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Speaker 3: Alex Dickerson he played for.

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Speaker 1: And he's not even Jewish.

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Speaker 2: Married, So and I told my girlhood, I was like, okay, hey,

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Speaker 2: if you're I could play. It's just a funny ruling

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Speaker 2: that they have. But yeah, very much look forward to me.

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Speaker 2: Is a very awesome event. Honestly, I have The only

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Speaker 2: worries that I have obviously are injuries to pitching, because hey,

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Speaker 2: you're going for the backfields to throwing in one of

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Speaker 2: the most intense environments in baseball possible.

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Speaker 3: We saw what happened with Sandy.

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Speaker 2: We saw what happened with a lot of the pitchers

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Speaker 2: that pitched in that tournament in twenty twenty three. They

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Speaker 2: just did not perform as well during the regular season.

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it is.

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Speaker 2: Incredible for baseball and just the global attraction that it

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Speaker 2: brings all around the world, and that a lot of

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Speaker 2: it is going to be happening right here in our

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Speaker 2: backyard at Lon Deego Park.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll wrap it up there. Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: for watching. We really appreciate it. We'll be back in

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Speaker 1: two weeks. We'll see what we've gotten in two weeks,

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Speaker 1: hopefully another couple of moves. Who knows, but from Isaac

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Speaker 1: and myself, we'll see guys on two weeks. Peace out,

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Speaker 1: And it was always

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Speaker 3: Go fish on the point