1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm 4 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number four 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: oh six, and today I'm joined by d i Y 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: public Land bow hunting guru Tony Peterson to explore ten 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: different offseason tasks that can help you on your path 8 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: to your best season ever. All right, welcome to the 9 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx. And 10 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: today it is February something, early February two one, and uh, 11 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, we're smack dab in the midst of the 12 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: off season for most deer hunters across country. I know 13 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: there's a few exceptions, but a lot of us were 14 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: we're getting into the heart of the off season. And 15 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do today was talk through some 16 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: ways we can make the best of that time. I 17 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: know that there's there's kind of two ways to think 18 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: about the off season. I think within the white tail world, 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: there's there's one group who look at the off season 20 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: as a total flip off the switch and they're going 21 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: off and doing other things completely and then a week 22 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: before hunting season, they start thinking about deer again or 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: the week before, you know, opening day gun season. Um, 24 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: that's how I grew up actually. But then there's this 25 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: other half, or maybe more than half or less than half, 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what the number is, but there's some 27 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: other portion who is thinking about deer three sixty five 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: days a year, and they're constantly thinking about these things. 29 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: So what I want to do is kind of address 30 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: focus on on either side of that spectrum and share 31 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: some ideas for ways that we can all add a 32 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: little bit more into our off season to do list 33 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: to take our hunting journey to the next level. For two. 34 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: So I'm here with my buddy Tony Peterson. Uh, Tony, 35 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: I think you're with me on this that that well, 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm getting ahead 37 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: of myself here, but I have this constant back and 38 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: forth with the off season. We're part of the time, 39 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, I just want to shut down, I just 40 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: want to step away from it. And then I've got 41 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: this other half of me that's saying, go, go go. 42 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: There's so much you gotta get done. You need to 43 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: be more prepared than ever this year. And I find 44 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: myself being pulled between these two opposite voices on my shoulders. 45 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: Do you ever find yourself in that situation too? Um, 46 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: not as much as I used to, buddy, like I 47 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: I still do, but I find myself you know, we're 48 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: we're stuck in this just arctic blast right now, and 49 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: it's like the worst time of year, and I just 50 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: find myself missing being able to easily go out and 51 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: do something dear related. So it's not you know, it's 52 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: not for me. It's not necessarily stressed, like, oh, I'm 53 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: not getting enough done before next season. Is just the 54 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: overall anxiety of not doing anything, and I just want 55 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: to be out there more. I hear you this, So 56 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you two stories that related to that. 57 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: Number One. So that arctic blast you mentioned that's hitting 58 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: us here in Michigan right now too. There's a zero 59 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: degree wind chill at the moment. And I live in 60 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: this old, kind of crappy farmhouse, and my my podcast editor, 61 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: the guy that edits our podcast, he keeps complaining about 62 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: the fact that there's some humming noise in my office 63 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,119 Speaker 1: when I record every once in a while, and so 64 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: he's sending me like threatening emails and tell him he 65 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: doesn't like me anymore and all this stuff. So finally 66 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: I said, okay, fine, it's probably the heating. You know, 67 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: vent turning on and off every once in a while, 68 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: so I told him I would turn it off. So 69 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: I've turned off the heat in our house, Tony, And 70 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: I'm wearing two jackets, a puffy vest, and a hat 71 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: to record this because I know it's going to be 72 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: freezing any minute now. The wind blowing in our old, 73 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: cruddy farmhouse leaking a little bit of heat I have. 74 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: So that's that story number one. And Heyden, I know 75 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: you're listening, so I hope you're happy. And and then 76 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: number two, speaking of not being able to get out 77 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: and do stuff, Uh, I'm so desperate to get out 78 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: and do things right now. And so just I don't know, 79 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: stir crazy with just everything going on, just you know, 80 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: stuff being shut down still, and in the lousy weather 81 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: that last night, I got done work in and we 82 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: put the kids to bed and kind of just had 83 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: everything settled for the evening and it's eight o'clock or 84 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: something like that, and I was gonna go get milk. 85 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: We're out of milk, and the snowstorm was hitting, so 86 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: like there's like forty our winds and we're gonna get 87 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: five or six inches of snow and this is all hitting. 88 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: And I mentioned my wife. I'm like, I think I'm 89 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: gonna go get milk, and she's like, really in this 90 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: weather right now? And I tell her, yeah, it'll be. 91 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: It'll be the I need an adventure. I need I 92 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: need a reason to get the house. So I'm gonna 93 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: go drive through the snow and get milk, now, was 94 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: my big HERRG. She's like, that's not an adventure. If 95 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: you really want to make an adventurous you should hike there. 96 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: And she was saying that kiddingly, but when she said that, 97 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: I was like, you're so right. So I at like 98 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: eight thirty last night, I loaded up a forty pound 99 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: backpack and put on winter closed and hiked a mile 100 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: and a half to the closest gas station to pick 101 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: up milk in the snowstorm and all the way back 102 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: and it was so much fun. I was so out there, 103 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: just like laughing at myself, thinking this is the life. 104 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: I needed some reason to get out and do something 105 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: stupid and enjoy the elements. And that was how far 106 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: was that milk run. Mark just over a mile and 107 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: a half there and mile a half back or just 108 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,239 Speaker 1: under mile and a half they're and back, so three 109 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: like two miles and three quarters two. It was the 110 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: best part of my week. I'm not kidding. That's I know. 111 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: I say this to you every time we talk, but 112 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 1: you know, people always ask me what what Mark Kenyon 113 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: is and I'm just like, consistently, I'm like, he's just weird. 114 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: It's just an odd duct. And I love hearing stories 115 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: like that because people will go, yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah, 116 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: I can't. I have no rebuttal to that. I just 117 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: am what I am telling. Yeah, that's the truth. That's 118 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: too late for that. So uh so that's my winter 119 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: state of mind at the moment. But um, but yeah, 120 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: there there are plenty of things that we can be 121 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: doing in the off season that are either important or 122 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: just fun. Um, So I figured we could share some 123 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: ideas today. I know that both you and I have 124 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: done a lot of different things and a lot of 125 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: different situations throughout the years too, you know, to help 126 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: better prepare ourselves for hunting season or or recharge ourselves 127 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: leaving into the hunting season. And I thought we could 128 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: just go back and forth and explore some of these ideas, 129 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: try to think through some things that maybe aren't as obvious. 130 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: Some of these things are, you know, relatively obvious. Some 131 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: of these might be little bit different. Um, but give 132 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: everybody a few things to think about over the next 133 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: few weeks, the next few months, especially this time of year. 134 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if this is 135 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: the same for you, but I'm not a big ice fisher. 136 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: Uh So this period here January February is is definitely 137 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: my slowest point of the entire year. Um. You know, 138 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: once we get into March, I'm shed hunting and scouting 139 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: and the ones. It's April's turkey season, and then I 140 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: start fishing a lot, May Jorn, July, and then August 141 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: I feel like you're right back and into really really 142 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: prepping for deer. Um. So this is that one part 143 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: of the year where I get a little bit of 144 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: that time to sit and plan and think, Okay, yeah, 145 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: I want to do this and this and and literally 146 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: write some stuff down. This is my time when I 147 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: do those things. So I figured it might be a 148 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: good idea to get some ideas and everybody's radar if 149 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: they want to do that kind of planning to So, UM, 150 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. Does that sound a good plan to you? 151 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: Sounds good to me? Man? Do you really tell your 152 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: buddies that I'm just weird? Is that? Is that? Really? 153 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: The only custom? Mind? Is that surprise you? It's just 154 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: it's lingering. Man, it's gonna be with me overnight. Well, okay, 155 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: let's let's go through. Let's have this, let's revisit this 156 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: at the end of this conversation. Okay, maybe you can 157 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: convince me otherwise, or maybe we'll get to the end. 158 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: I'll like, oh no, yeah, you're right, that's that's absolutely right. 159 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: So all right, So here's what I want to do. 160 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: I want to if we don't get totally sidetracked, I 161 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: want to just go back and forth. I'm gonna lay 162 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: out I know we we I brought to the table 163 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: five different ideas, and I know you've got five ideas. 164 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: So I figured I'll kick it off, kick us off 165 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: of one, and then we can kind of talk it through. 166 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: Um explores some ideas and then I'll pitch it to 167 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: you and you can share yours and we'll just kind 168 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: of bounce back and forth like that and see what 169 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: it takes us. So my first off season idea for folks, 170 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: My challenge for folks, and this is a challenge for 171 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: myself as much as is for anybody else to is 172 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: to do It's got a two part I'm cheating here, 173 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: but it's to do two things. Number One, I would 174 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: challenge myself and everybody to get permission on at least 175 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: one more property then you think you need. So it's 176 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: it's not getting permission on new property, it's get more 177 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: than you need. And then secondly, go out and scout 178 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: a new piece of public land, even if you're not 179 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: a public land hunter. So my my challenge is to 180 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: pick up one more piece of permission than you actually 181 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: think you need and go find a new piece of 182 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: public land, even if you don't typically hunt. I say 183 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: these these things because, at least in my experience, one 184 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: of the biggest challenges I've faced over the years comes 185 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: down to having the right spot. So often just having 186 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: being in the right place, or having a different option, 187 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: or having a plan B, C. D. Those things can 188 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: make or break a hunt. And so often if you've 189 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: got some kind of challenge, there's some kind of issue. 190 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: The easy solution is to go to Plan C, or 191 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: go to Plan D, or have these different options. But 192 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: I've found myself some years, having been too lazy or whatever, 193 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: had circumstances where i didn't have enough of those other options, 194 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: and I've always regretted it. So my what I try 195 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: to do a better job of every year is making 196 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: sure that doesn't happen. Um. You know, there's so many 197 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: things that can go wrong when it comes to permission 198 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: access where these things are fleeting. You can have permission 199 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: on something and then lose it just before the season, 200 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: or you might have permission somewhere and then you know, 201 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: in past years, it was just you and then all 202 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: of a sudden, this year there's five other guys that 203 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: want to hunt it um or you know, opening day 204 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: or middle of the run, all of a sudden a 205 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: logging crew comes through and starts cutting down everything. You 206 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: just never know. So it's it's I would say, a 207 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: smart thing to always have several backup options in your 208 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: pocket because there's a lot of unexpected things that happen 209 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: and then the same thing goes for having a public 210 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: land spot. There's another another one of your options. If 211 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: you if you already hunt public land all the time. 212 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: Of course, you know you needed to do that. Um, 213 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: add another piece of public land to your repertoire. UM. 214 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: I remember you and I were talking a few months ago, Tony. 215 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: Maybe this is a I don't know if this is 216 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: a your podcast or this one, but we were just 217 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, how hunting pressure seemed particularly high 218 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: on our public land hunts this past year, and you know, 219 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: more than ever, it was important to have a bunch 220 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: of options because there's there's a lot more people trying 221 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: to do this kind of stuff. So it's a simple thing. 222 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: It's something I think a lot of us know, but 223 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: executing on it is a lot harder than knowing that 224 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: you should do it. The biggest thing is is actually 225 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: walking that walk. UM. So that's that's my high level suggestion. UM. 226 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: I think we can walk through a couple of ideas 227 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: about how to do that. But what do you think 228 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: about that general idea? I think it's like crazy important 229 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: for white tail hunters. I mean, if you you know, 230 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: you mentioned this, but if you have a place you 231 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: rely on that you don't own, then you're just one 232 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: day closer to potentially losing it. And you know, maybe 233 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: some people haven't gone through that. But if you go 234 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: through that once where you're relying on a spot and 235 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: it it changes hands or gets sold or something happens, 236 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: it makes you realize how important this is. And so yeah, 237 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: everybody should have their radar, keep looking, and you know 238 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: your point with the public land thing, and you know 239 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: whether you're you know, kind of like identify as a 240 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: public land hunter or not. Man, you and I have 241 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: talked about this before, but there are places I hunt 242 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: where even though I have access to private ground, I'll 243 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: choose public because it offers me more room to roam 244 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: or I think I have a better chance to go 245 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: have a good hunt or run into a big buck. 246 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: It's it's kind of, uh, we've we've sort of done 247 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: a disservice in the in the hunting space where we've 248 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: we've made private land always seem like it's so much 249 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: better and it's just so situational. And so if you're 250 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: kind of on the fence about that and thinking I'm 251 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: not gonna go walk public land in the off season 252 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: when I've got a private land place to hunt, you 253 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: don't know what you're gonna find, and you are going 254 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: to give yourself options, Like you said, so I'm all 255 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: for that advice. Man. Yeah, you know, another thing to 256 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: add on to what you just said, Well, a lot 257 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: of times if if you do rely on some private spots, 258 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: maybe you do have a dynamite private farm or a 259 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: couple options that you can hunt that are really great. Um, 260 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: even if you have that, something we talk a lot 261 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: about on this podcast is trying to be smart about 262 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: when you hunt certain places. So you know, maybe you 263 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: don't want to go and hunt your very best rut 264 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: stand ten times in a row in early October, right, 265 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: you need to be smart about hunting places at the 266 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: right times of year and applying that pressure when it's 267 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: you know, worth applying that pressure. And at the same time, 268 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: though you don't you know, if let's say you've got 269 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: you know, every weekend of the month of October hunt 270 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: and that's something you really want to do. You don't 271 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,599 Speaker 1: want to not hunt even if conditions aren't right or 272 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: even if it's too early to go to your best spots. 273 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: So the way to solve for that isn't to overhunt 274 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: your best spot in your private farm. It's to have 275 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: public spots or have other options where you can still 276 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: go out and have a good time. And maybe you 277 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: will get into some great hunting. Maybe you'll discover, like 278 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: you just described Tony, that this public spot is just 279 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: as good or better than your private. UM. But take 280 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: advantage of these opportunities to keep hunting, to keep being outside, 281 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: to to spread your hunting pressure across multiple places, and 282 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: that that makes there's two things where it increases your 283 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: chances of success because you're out there more often, and 284 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: then it also keeps the pressure on any one place lower. 285 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: So each time you go back, it's it's still going 286 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: to be relatively fresh, and you're gonna learn a whole 287 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: lot along the way too. So it's just a no 288 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: lose proposition as far as I'm concerned. The more spots 289 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: you've scouted, the more properties you have access to, UM, 290 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: it's only going to help. So this is something that 291 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: I think every single hunter, no matter if you are 292 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: a public savant or even if you own ground, I 293 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: would challenge you to do this too. I mean, unless 294 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: you have like two thousand acres and you never need 295 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: to go beyond that. UM, most average people that own 296 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: land maybe have a forty or an eighty. Even if 297 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: you've got that situation, I'd still encourage you to try 298 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: to add a couple more places. I just don't think 299 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: it can hurt you. Um, yeah no. And I want 300 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: to add on something there quick too. I keep hearing 301 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: from these these guys out there who you know, they'll 302 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: they'll kind of like dissect last season or the last 303 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: couple of seasons, and you know, how many buck tags 304 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: did I have, how may have I filled? How many 305 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: encounters did I have? And they're there guys who are 306 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: keeping a lot better records than I am. And the 307 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: question that comes up a lot is I want I 308 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: want to level up. I want to get better, but 309 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: I feel like I've stalled out, and really not only 310 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: is is hunting more ground. Even if you're going to 311 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: public from private, it's there. There's some mystery there, there's 312 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: some enjoyment for having to figure it out. But I 313 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: firmly believe if you want to be a better overall hunter, 314 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: you put yourself in new situations. And it's easy. You 315 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: know when you're on when you're on the private ground 316 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: you grew up on. That's fun and it's nice to 317 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: walk out to the same stands, But you can also 318 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: kind of get stuck in a rut and go okay, well, 319 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: the winds out of the west, I sit the corner 320 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: stand or you know whatever. But if you have to 321 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: walk into these new areas, or you give yourself the 322 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: opportunity to walk into a new place, it's a different 323 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: kind of hunt and you can you can really level 324 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: up doing that for yourself. Percent agree with that. That's 325 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: that's this. I don't know if it's the right word 326 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: for it, but if you're looking for a hack for 327 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: getting better deer hunting, that's it right there. Just throw 328 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: yourself in the new situations and you'll be forced to 329 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: get better and to learn fast. Yea, um, real quick, 330 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: before we move onto your thing, do you have any 331 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: one tip for getting permission? If if someone's listening and 332 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: thinking themselves, okay, I'm going to try to do that, 333 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: get some more permission. Uh deal that marks ranting about here, 334 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: any one quick piece of advice there? Well, you know, 335 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: we we know how to find the public, so finding 336 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: private is just tap, tap your resources, tap your network. 337 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: I mean, my I have twin nine year olds and 338 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: occasionally they'll talk about one of their classmates, who's who's 339 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: got a little hobby farm or something around here, And 340 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: you know, like the next question is they have any 341 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: woods do they hunt? Like just you never know what 342 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna find. And I've I've gotten permission to hunt 343 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: places so randomly throughout my life. I mean it doesn't 344 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: happen often, but sometimes you just meet somebody at the 345 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: gym or something and they've got you know, they live 346 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: on a forty and they don't hunt. Um, they're just 347 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: just be open, you know, real open to any of 348 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: those those keywords you know that that might come up 349 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: in conversation that might get you in the right path 350 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: to some more permission. Yeah, I think that's a really 351 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: good idea. The I'll add that that's always my option 352 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: a what you just describe. But if all that fails 353 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: and you're still looking, um and you have to start 354 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: doing the cold knocking on doors trying to get permission 355 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: kind of thing, that's you know, it's not easy, but 356 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: it's certainly can and lead to access. I will just 357 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: offer we could talk for a full hour about this 358 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: one thing, but I'll just give you one piece of advice. 359 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: When it comes to cold knocking on doors, it's a 360 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: numbers game, So you have to go into it realizing 361 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: that you're going to get a lot of nose. So 362 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: if you're you know, if you start the day, just 363 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: remember this, it's already a no on all the properties 364 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: you're planning on knocking on, right It's a no right now. 365 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: So the only thing that's going to happen from here 366 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: on out as you ask people is you've got a 367 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: chance for it to get better. You could get a yes. 368 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: So remember that, and remember it's a numbers game, and 369 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: that if you have to plan, at least the way 370 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: I look at it, you've got to set yourself up 371 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: to get that yes by going through a bunch of people. 372 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: So I put together a list of I try to 373 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: have at least ten places that I'm going to ask 374 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: in a given day, so that you know I can 375 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: have a chance. You know, there's a there's a ten 376 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: percent chance that I'll get one yes out of those ten. 377 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: And I do think that that very first place you 378 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: knock on the door, that's the toughest, at least for me. 379 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: I don't enjoy that kind of awkward interaction. I'm relatively 380 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: a hermit, so I'm not naturally wanting to go and 381 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: knock on a bunch of doors and talk to random people, 382 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: So that takes me out of my comfort zone. But 383 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: that first door, if I can get past that first 384 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: door and have that conversation, oh it's not that bad. 385 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: We should chat a little bit. They said no, but 386 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: they nice people. The next one is a little bit easier, 387 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: and the third one is easier in the fourth one, 388 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: and by the time you get going, it's a piece 389 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: of cake. Once you get to the end, because you're 390 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: just rolling with it, you have momentum. There's that whole 391 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: snowball effect. So so that's my suggestion is playing a 392 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: whole list of properties, go through it all in one 393 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: fell swoop. You'll feel a lot better as you get 394 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: going and and a lot of times will end up 395 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: with a yes or two. So um, that's that's my 396 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: quick tip on permission. Solid solid. Okay, tell me what 397 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: would uh what would your next idea be for the 398 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: off season. So kind of just to play off of 399 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: that permission thing, I mean, I realized, probably your audience 400 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: here there's probably a way higher percentage of people who 401 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: travel to hunt, and then maybe the general deer hunting population. 402 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: But I'm you know, for my job, I'm always researching, 403 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: you know, traveling haunts, over the road hunts. I know 404 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: you are too, And I always encourage people even if 405 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: they don't they're not really in the traveling lifestyle. They're not, 406 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: you know, super geek, to go buy nonresident tag, do 407 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: some offseason research on something. Just just think about, like 408 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: where would I really like to hunt. Is that Iowa 409 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: white tales or maybe I want to hunt Western river 410 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: bottom white tails at some point and start doing the 411 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: research on that. It'll it's kind of like that you 412 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: just talked about, like knocking on that first story, when 413 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: you start to just get the logistics down and you 414 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: go even though I'm not planning on it, I know 415 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: I could get a tag there, and I know the 416 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: season dates run from here to here, and there's x 417 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: amount of public land in the western half of the state. 418 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: It starts to give you a little bit of confidence 419 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: and you kind of have I call it like a 420 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: back pocket hunt. Like there's there's states every year that 421 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: I don't intend to go to, but I've I've spent 422 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: some time this time a year researching them because once 423 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: in a while I'll go out, you know, like Minnesota 424 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: is a one buck state. I might I might kill 425 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: a buck opening night. It happens pretty often for me 426 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: or at least opening weekend. That's that's almost off the 427 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: table after that. And so I might have gone into 428 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: the season thinking, well, I've got three months here to hunt, 429 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: and it's over in a day. And if you have 430 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: some of this research done on a potential other state 431 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: or other zone or region to hunt, you at least 432 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: have that option to go. You know, I could fall 433 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: back on that, maybe take a long weekend or look 434 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: at the schedule and say, oh, the kids are on 435 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: MBA over October or whatever, and and make something like 436 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: that happen, or at least be a little bit closer 437 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: to experiencing that. I like that, And you're you're kind of, 438 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: even if you don't have to use it this year, 439 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: you're kind of working that muscle. You're getting comfortable with 440 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: figuring that kind of stuff out and doing that research. 441 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: And and next year when you do need to actually 442 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: follow through and something like that, you're you're halfway there already. Now, 443 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: would you would you see just even going so far 444 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: as as scouting or eat scouting and looking at pieces 445 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: of ground on the maps and mark the spots and 446 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: doing all that too, even if you're not planning on 447 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: doing a trip like that. Yeah, And I suggest doing 448 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: it in a way. You know, you and I have 449 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: talked a million times about this, but I'm I. I 450 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: start a lot of my EA scouting around water looking 451 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: for water and or some you know something that you 452 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: that's kind of in your wheelhouse, and that step you 453 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: know when you know you can get the tag and 454 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: you know the season's open these days, and you start 455 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: looking and you pull up on xt and you're like, oh, 456 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: this is there's two thousand acres of public land that's 457 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: only four hours from my house and there's a nice 458 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: river running through it and you start digging in. That's 459 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: what really kind of gets you over the edge. And 460 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: it's maybe this isn't for everybody, but I know when 461 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: I find something that really gets my spidy sense is tingling, 462 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: I want to go like there's you just find some 463 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: stuff where you're like I have to see that in 464 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: person at some point. And that's like a it's like 465 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: a re forcing system because it plays into your scouting 466 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: at home too, if you're going to take our advice 467 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: and go find some public down the road, and it 468 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: just it feeds, it feeds the experience level a little 469 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: bit more. And you know, if you even if you 470 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: aren't planning, like you said, to go on those trips. 471 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: If you start doing that East scouting, you know, it 472 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: might not be this year. It might be two years 473 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: where you just finally talk yourself into it, or you 474 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: get into a different space at your job where you 475 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: get a little bit more income, a little bit more 476 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: p t O and you've got those layers of research 477 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: to fall back on. It makes the whole process so 478 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: much better. And like I always kind of look at this, dude, 479 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: We're we're bow hunters primarily, you know, we're deer hunters. 480 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: Were optimists at heart. Like what's more optimistic than just 481 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: being like, man, someday I'm going there and I'm gonna 482 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: go kill a great big buck on that lamp. Yeah. 483 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: I like that. And you know something, I know you 484 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: do this a lot, and it's something that might fit 485 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: in a certain people's schedules. I know that you often 486 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: will tie in a turkey hunt with a scouting trip. 487 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: So if someone wants to do what we're discussing, even 488 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: if they don't think they've got time or the money 489 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: to put, you know, ten days on the calendar November 490 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: for a big out of state hunt, maybe they could 491 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: do a weekend turkey hunt in April, and you know, 492 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: do all this research like you described for some day 493 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: and then you want to get a couple of days 494 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: of turkey hunting, and why not do that couple days 495 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: of turkey hunting at this place where you're starting to 496 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: do some scouting and thinking and then you're just slowly, 497 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: little by little building this database while still having some 498 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: fun too, so that whenever it is time to go 499 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: out there and do the deer hunt, um, you've got 500 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: you've got double the amount to kind of look back on. UM. 501 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: So if you want to level up, that's another suggestion, 502 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: I guess, or tie it with a shed hunt too, 503 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: that's another thing. Um. It just seems like an easy 504 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: way to have a good time with less of a 505 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: time commitment, less of a budget commitment, and and just 506 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: kind of continue what you're describing. Yeah, that's a that's 507 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: like my go to method. My entire springs planned around 508 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: that already this year. But I will say this, this 509 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: is like if you if you're not if you're on 510 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: the fence about maybe going on a deer hunt somewhere 511 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: and you say, you know what, I'm gonna go out 512 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: there with my buddies. We're gonna camp, We're gonna turkey hunt. 513 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: This is exactly like if you're not sure, if you 514 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: want to buy a puppy and you go look at 515 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: a litter of puppies, you're freaking buying one. Right. So 516 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: if you if you go, unless the trip just turns 517 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: into a disaster, which I probably won't, but I promise 518 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: you if you're like, I'm kind of you know, I 519 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: want to dip my toe in the pool, I kind 520 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: of want to go travel hunt a little bit. If 521 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: you do that Turkey trip and see the logistics and 522 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: you have a good time tent camping and running gun 523 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: and birds, you're going back to deer hunt. Uh. I 524 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: can see how that would be the case, No doubt 525 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: about that. Ah Man. Alright, uh true, Moving number three Yeah, alright. 526 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: So my next suggestion, and this doesn't apply to everybody 527 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: because some people don't hunt like this, but I know 528 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: you and I do at least and and more and 529 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: more and more people do this. Um my suggestion is 530 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: to fine tune, like absolutely perfect, double down. Become obsessive 531 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: about perfecting your mobile hunting set up. So that could 532 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: be either your climbing sticks and your portal, tree stand 533 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: or your sticks in your saddle, set up whatever you 534 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: use if you're someone who hunts public land or you know, 535 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: private land, but you move around a lot and your 536 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: mobile and aggressive in that kind of way. If you 537 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: do that, I don't think I don't think there's there's 538 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: a few things more important than getting really good at 539 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: doing that up and down process, doing it quietly, doing 540 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: it efficiently, doing it relatively quickly. Um And that takes 541 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: a couple of things. That takes practice. So you know, 542 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: making sure you know with the right process for getting 543 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: up and down, and you know, having a good set 544 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: of you can order of operations. I know there's a 545 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: lot of people, especially new people if you're a newer hunter, 546 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of new hunters joining the fold 547 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: right now, and they're jumping into podcasts like this, or 548 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: they're jumping onto YouTube and they're seeing people using these things, 549 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: and then they buy some sticks and they buy a saddle, 550 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: and they head out into the woods. And if they 551 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: try to do this on you know, November one, and 552 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: they head out in the morning, it's dark out and 553 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: they're trying to get set up in the tree for 554 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: the first time, it's a disaster, like, that's a nightmare scenario. 555 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: Even even doing it during the day in the afternoon 556 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 1: of October one, that's a disaster. So and I can 557 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: even tell you even like the first time I usually 558 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: go like the first hunt of the season, even though 559 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: I've been doing this for years and years, usually the 560 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: first hunt, I'm kind of like a disaster. There's always 561 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: something like, gosh, ship, I forgot this right? How did 562 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: I do that? So take a little time in the 563 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: off season to just fine tune your process, look at 564 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: what you do and say, is there some way I 565 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: could do this better? Like do I have to put 566 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: both sticks on my hip and one over my shoulder? 567 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: Could I actually use some different system or a different clip. 568 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: Do I need to go the tree and then come 569 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: back down and grab my backpack? Or could I wear 570 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: my backpack or could I have a rope tied down 571 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: into my backpack? Um, there's so many different ways to 572 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: do it, and there are a lot of different videos 573 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: out there demonstrating how each different individual does UM. So 574 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: there's no storage of resources for you to go online 575 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: and see how other people do it. I'd suggest that 576 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: you just think about your process, think about your tools, 577 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: So look at your tree stand and your sticks and 578 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: your toe ropes and your bow and your backpack and 579 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: all that, and think through how can I eliminate any noises? 580 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: Should I put some tape on my tree stand? Should 581 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: I tape the the crossbar on my tree stand or 582 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: on the stick? Is there something that last year on 583 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: my rut hunt I noticed like this damn stick always 584 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: twitter always creaks when I get all my weight on it. 585 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: Is that something you remember from last year? Well, now 586 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: is the time to get rid of that squeak? Or 587 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: now is the time to add that sticky um surface 588 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: to the top of your stick so your foot doesn't 589 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: slide off it like it did that one time and 590 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: December last year. You know what I mean, There's there's 591 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: all these little things we can do two make that 592 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: set up more efficient and effective and quiet. And for 593 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: mobile deer hunters, I think that's you know, it's it's 594 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: not make or break all the time, but sometimes it 595 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: could be. There could be a situation where you sneak 596 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: in for a hunt and you've worked really hard to 597 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: do all the scouting and to do this preparation, and 598 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: you've found where this buck is and you've snuck in 599 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: there in public land a mile and a half back, 600 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: and you think that you know, there's probably a buck 601 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: betted back in this spot, and you sneak in there 602 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: and you're setting up, and you think, man, I bet 603 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,239 Speaker 1: you if there's if this buck's in here, or if 604 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: there's some deer in here, they're probably sixties seventy yards away, 605 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: and you're sneaking up in there. And then if you 606 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: drop your stick, or you you know, forget something that's 607 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: down at the ground, and then you have to climb 608 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: all the way down your sticks and grab it again, 609 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: or if you get sloppy, or if your tree stands creeky, 610 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: whatever it is, sometimes those little things can come back 611 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: to really nip you in the butt. So now is 612 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: the time to think about those little things. If you're 613 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: if you're sitting here in the house like I am, 614 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: and it's really cold outside and you're so bored that 615 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: you're hiking a mile and a half of the gas station, 616 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: why not use that time to tape up your stand 617 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: or make one of these little tweaks. Um. That's that's 618 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: a thought that I have, and that's something I'm trying 619 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: to do this year. A little bit better too. Um 620 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: does that resonate Tony big time? And you know, I 621 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: would say on that note, it's it's really cool how 622 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: much information there is out there now for the mobile hunter. 623 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: But I would say, especially addressing people who are new 624 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 1: to it, you can you alluded to this at the beginning, 625 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: but there is a learning curve to this stuff, Like 626 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: it's there's there's no way around that. You gotta you 627 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: gotta learn how to get good with it, and that's 628 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. But I would say that, like 629 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: there isn't a one size fits all answer to this stuff. 630 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: So some people are out there and they're just taking 631 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: the elk hunter approach where it's like I want as 632 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: little weight as possible, and they're they're doing everything they 633 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: can to pare that down. You might not be going 634 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: that far in or you might you might require a 635 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: little bit more comfort to enjoy this stuff. And so 636 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: just understand that when you're when you're taking in some 637 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: of this information that what somebody else uses it might 638 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: be perfect for them, but you might not need it, 639 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: or you might not be comfortable or feel safe with it. 640 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: Like if if it comes down to maybe carrying a 641 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: couple of extra pounds of weight in there and feeling better, 642 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: having a better standoff on your sticks, something like that. 643 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: Go that roade, like do what's gonna make it comfortable 644 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: and feel safe for you? And this is a good 645 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: time to really reach research that stuff in an honest way. Yeah, 646 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: that's a really good point, and it is easy. I 647 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: think you could easily get lost in all the ideas 648 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: out there. You could easily get overwhelmed with it, or 649 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: feel pressure to do a certain way, or or just 650 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: almost get paralyzed with you know, paralysis analysis kind of 651 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: thing going on. So yeah, take these ideas, look at 652 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: these things, but filtered through your own experience. That's that's 653 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: probably the most important thing of all, big time. So 654 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: what's what's what's next on your mind? So you know, 655 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: kind of on that note, I mean the mobile hunting 656 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: and you know, especially the public land thing, but it's 657 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: it's it's relevant on private land and a lot of 658 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: situations too. Is you know one thing that I noticed 659 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: in my life. I've talked about this on my podcast 660 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of times, but you know, I quit 661 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: drinking eight years ago and started working out, and the 662 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: I did it for every reason, but hunting I didn't. 663 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: It didn't matter to me about hunting. It didn't feel 664 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: like it was going to have any effect. And it 665 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: changed my my desire to hunt uh in a way 666 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: that I didn't see coming. And it it changed how 667 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: I looked at these mobile hunts and keeping myself in 668 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: shape and then really getting into shape for elk hunting. 669 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: It made me realize that a lot of these public 670 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: land hunts, they functioned like a little mini lk hunt 671 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: as far as like physically and mentally. And so this 672 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: time of year, when you know, when we're talking about 673 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: there's nothing nothing to do, man, going to the gym 674 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: is huge. And if you can if you can take 675 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: care of your body a little bit, your mind will 676 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: come along for the ride too. And it is. I 677 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: honestly think it's a single best decision I've ever made 678 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: for not only becoming more successful as a public land 679 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: deer hunter, but enjoying it a lot more. So you're 680 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: saying I have to quit drinking. I'm not saying you 681 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: have to quit drink. I'm just saying I had to. Alright, alright, 682 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: good yeah, mileage berries on that one, buddy, But I 683 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: have so so I'm right there with you. I think 684 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: that's uh. I think I think it's something that's overlooked, 685 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: or I think historically that was something got overlooked within 686 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: the white tail hunting world a little bit. I think 687 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: it's definitely picked up steam in recent years as people 688 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: are seeing the payoffs that you can have, especially if 689 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: you do this public land stuff like you described, or 690 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: this mobile of hunting that's definitely a little bit more 691 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: physically demanding. Um. But you said something that I think 692 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: really has some truth to it, which is that if 693 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: you do this physical stuff, if you work on the 694 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: physical side of things, it'll bring your mind along with it. 695 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: And and there's something important there. I found that having. 696 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: And we're getting into the woo woo stuff, not woo, 697 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: but a little bit more that some people want. Um. 698 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,919 Speaker 1: I had someone to leave a comment I don't really 699 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: read my podcast reviews often at all. I probably haven't 700 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: read them in the last year. I used to when 701 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: I first started, but more recently, I've just gotten to 702 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: the point where, you know, I've been doing this thing 703 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: a long time. Either like it or you hate me. 704 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: Someone left a comment about how I've gotten like to 705 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: woo woo or into mindset stuff too much. And they're like, yeah, 706 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: he's he's getting crazy or something. So maybe there's truth 707 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: to that. But um but when you say the mind 708 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 1: will come along with it, I do think there's something 709 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: to be said about the discipline it takes to to 710 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: get and stay physically fit Like that requires a mindset 711 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 1: and it requires a certain ability to stick to something 712 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: and to set either a goal or uh some kind 713 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: of accountability for yourself. And if you do that, it 714 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: strengthens your mind too, and I think that helps a 715 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: lot come hunting season, that mental toughness that you have 716 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: to build up if you're gonna wake up early every 717 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 1: morning and go hit the gym or whatever it is. Um. 718 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: I think those things all kind of add up as 719 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: these little layers that that put you in the position 720 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: you need to be come November when you're on your 721 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: big rut hunt on public land and you've got to 722 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: grind it out for seven days or whatever. All these 723 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: things do help out. And it's hard to put up, 724 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, a price tag on exactly how worth it 725 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: it is, but I can certainly tell you it is 726 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: worth it to some degree. And these things add up. 727 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: Um So, so yeah, I am trying every year to 728 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: get better at that too, and and so one of 729 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: my goals this year. This is something I do every 730 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: for the last few years I've been trying to get 731 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: I've been trying to do this in some different excuse 732 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 1: gets in the way, and I can't make an excuse 733 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: for it other than that I let something, you know, 734 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: bust me off of that. But I try to have 735 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: a solid morning routine where I get up, you know, 736 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: at least an hour hour and a half before the 737 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: family does, and then I get out and I do 738 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: some kind of work out, and then I'm able to 739 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,919 Speaker 1: then get into my office and do a few things 740 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: to organize my day. And just that simple routine, get 741 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: up early, get a workout in, and then plan your day. 742 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: If I can do that the whole rest of my day, 743 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: it just feels like it's I don't like I have 744 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: a jet fuel for the rest of the day. But 745 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: if I don't do that, it just feels like I'm 746 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: groggy and that I think there's something too it just 747 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: I don't even know where I'm going with this, Tony, 748 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: but I feel like there's something to that that helps 749 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: you down the line. If you can have this kind 750 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: of men tool fitness to do a physical thing like 751 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: you're describing, it just sets you up so that you 752 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: can handle a lot more. Come hunting season, come, whatever 753 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: the thing it is that you're trying to do. Does 754 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: that Does that make sense? Or to go off the 755 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: deep end? No, no, no, it's you didn't. You didn't 756 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: describe it very well. I'll help you out here. But 757 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: what you're you're saying two things. They're like the discipline 758 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: parts the easy part, right, Like it's easy to kind 759 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: of equate, you know, if you're if you're disciplined enough 760 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: to get yourself in shape, and you'll be more disciplined 761 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: in the woods, you know. And I always look at 762 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: that as like simple stuff because we've sold this message 763 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: in the hunting space that you've got to be like 764 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: a super badass fitness guru to kill elk or carry 765 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: them out of the mountains or up the mountain or 766 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,760 Speaker 1: in a white tail space. You know, it's a little 767 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 1: bit different, but it's always tied to just like the 768 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: physical requirements, and what it is is like, man, can 769 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: you can you you know, get up for that alarm 770 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: five days in a row and sit all day? Can 771 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: you go out and you know, go on that over 772 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: the road hunt and stay positive when it rains on 773 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: your tent for three days in a row and the 774 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: hunting sucks. Like that's that's where that discipline really ties in. 775 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: It's not nearly as much about being able to, you know, 776 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: throw a two pound deer on your shoulders and carry 777 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: it out of the Michigan swamps. There's It's it's different, 778 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: um the the other thing that you're talking about there, 779 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, getting into the routine and taking care of 780 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 1: your work out in the morning and feeling better all day. Dude, 781 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: I really think it's that's tied to just doing something 782 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: for yourself that makes you feel good. And you know, 783 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: I've talked about this a lot, but like when you're 784 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: when you're at a certain stage of your life and 785 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: you've got little kids to take care of, and you've 786 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 1: got you know, your job and your your spouse, and 787 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: you do a lot of stuff for somebody else, Like 788 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 1: you fill your day up doing things that you don't 789 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: really want to do. What you do because you're responsible 790 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: and that one, you know, our workout, whatever whatever you 791 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: take for that, that's for you. Like nobody else really 792 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,720 Speaker 1: benefits from that. That's just purely less a little selfish 793 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: thing you want to do that makes you feel good. 794 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 1: And I think just in society right now, we've been 795 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 1: we're kind of like we're relying on a whole bunch 796 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: of stuff that's supposed to make us feel good or 797 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: the illusion of happiness around it, and it doesn't make 798 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: us feel good. And that just one act of doing 799 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: something for yourself every day or you know, four or 800 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: five times a week actually does make you feel good. 801 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: It helps your your headspace. You know. I'm I'm right 802 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 1: there with it, and thank you for articulating that better 803 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: than I could. That's why I've got to hear tony. UM. 804 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: Let's let's dive into my next one, which is a 805 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: little bit more tactile or tactical UM, as far as 806 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: something you can do in the woods that I think 807 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: can help you in a lot of situations. UM. And 808 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,439 Speaker 1: this is more applicable for people to hunt the same 809 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: places over and over, like a private land place. UM. 810 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: But something I like to do as much as I 811 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: can on the places I have permission on, or like 812 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: the back forty that I hunted you know that we owned. 813 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: UM is utilizing mock scrapes, and that's something you can 814 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: do in the off season that will still benefit you 815 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: come hunting season. So what I would suggest where you can, 816 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,919 Speaker 1: where it's you know, where you're able to do this 817 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: is make a mock scrape at every one of your 818 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: tree stand sites that you plan to hunt. Um. I 819 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: say this not because I think that's something that's going 820 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: to attract a deer magically to your tree stand. I 821 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 1: say it because there's no downside to having a scrape 822 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: within range of a tree stand. There's there's only potential upside. 823 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: It's no guarantee, But I don't think there's anything bad 824 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,720 Speaker 1: that can come out of there being a licking branch 825 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: within a range of your tree. So let me just 826 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: explain why. UM. Number one, Hopefully you're in a place where, 827 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: like if you're setting up in a location, hopefully you're 828 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: set up in a certain location for a lot of 829 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: reasons above and beyond that scrape. I I would never 830 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: set in the spot just because there's a scrape. I'm 831 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,879 Speaker 1: hoping there's like a number of other things that lead 832 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: me to believe a deer will pass through here. But 833 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: sometimes every once in a while, you might have a 834 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: deer that comes into an area and knows there's a 835 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: scrape there and specifically wants to check it. So you've 836 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: got some small percentage chance that could help. I'll take 837 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: that little, small potential of a bonus. But the bigger 838 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: thing I'm looking for here is that if I have 839 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: a real scrape or a mock scrape within range of 840 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: my tree stand, there's a chance that a buck that's 841 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,280 Speaker 1: passing by at forty might come an extra five yards 842 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: closer because that scrapes there. Or there might be a 843 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: buck that's passing through that was going to be walking 844 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: full speed the entire time, but because there's that scrape 845 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: or mox scrape there, he'll pause for a couple of 846 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: seconds and sniff that branch. And those two things getting 847 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: a buck to come a few yards closer to me 848 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 1: or to pause for a couple of seconds, that can 849 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: make all the difference when it comes to killing a 850 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,879 Speaker 1: buck with a bow. So it's it's a simple thing, 851 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: it's not hard to do. And maybe already have a 852 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: scrape near your locations and you don't need to make one. 853 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: But if you've got a place where you don't know 854 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: of a scrape being within range, just go out there. 855 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: Make sure it's a licking branch, kick out the dirt, 856 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: and deer check these things all year round. They don't 857 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: kick up the dirt and make that part of the 858 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 1: scrape in the off season. But if you've ever ran 859 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: a camera on a scrape in January or June or August, 860 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 1: you'll see many deer still stop at these scrapes and 861 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: sniff and and rub their glands on that licking branch. 862 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 1: So they're visiting it all year round. So you can 863 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: make one now and deer will continue to visit it 864 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: off and on. And then once you get into hunting season, 865 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: if you happen to be passing by, then go ahead 866 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: and kick up the dirt a little bit if it 867 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: already hasn't been, and then it'll just kick start things 868 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: again and you'll get that little extra added potential of 869 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 1: a benefit. Again. It's not This isn't like some secret 870 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,280 Speaker 1: magic thing that's all going to sudden have bucks running 871 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: to your tree. Um one time on a ten, it 872 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: might make the difference, and damn it, I'd be really 873 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: happy to give that one buck out of ten that 874 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have otherwise. So I can tell you one 875 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: quick anecdote where this helped um we had a and 876 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: this this is a situation where there was this is 877 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 1: on my mind. I didn't create this mock scrape, but 878 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: I did set up a tree stand within range of 879 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,399 Speaker 1: this old scrape because I was hoping for something like this. 880 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: Um when you and I were hunting together Tony in 881 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: the back forty I had set up a tree inside 882 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 1: this area called the honey Hole, and overlooked this ridge 883 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: with a bunch of tall grasses and then various little 884 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 1: clumps of cedars. And one of the reasons why I 885 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: liked this tree that I ended up choosing was because 886 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: it was in range of a big seedar that had 887 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,399 Speaker 1: just been ripped up with scrapes. You could see all 888 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: around it, and it was just a spot that I 889 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: knew that year after year bucks were making scrapes under 890 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,359 Speaker 1: these branches. And so I thought to myself, I wasn't 891 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,919 Speaker 1: gonna hunt here because of that specific tree. I wasn't 892 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: hunting here because oh, there's gonna be bucks flocking to 893 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,439 Speaker 1: this tree to make scrapes. But I didn't know that 894 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: there was a lot of reasons for bucks to pass 895 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,399 Speaker 1: through here. And if a buck passes through here with 896 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,359 Speaker 1: all these scrapes, underneath the cedar tree. There's a darn 897 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: good chance he's going to stop here and give it 898 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: a sniff or take a you know, take a piss, 899 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 1: and do his thing, and maybe that gets me the shot, 900 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 1: or maybe that gets me the extra five seconds I 901 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: need to get ready and lo and behold, when that 902 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: droptime buck came rolling through the honey hole and I 903 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,319 Speaker 1: grunted to him, he turned, he came my way, and 904 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,279 Speaker 1: he stopped at that tree and gave me the time 905 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 1: I needed to grab my bow get turned around. We 906 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 1: also did cameraman, of course, so then he had to 907 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,320 Speaker 1: get ready. And that buck stopped and made a scrape 908 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: and did the whole thing, and it gave us the 909 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 1: time we needed to get in position and get ready 910 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 1: figure out what was happening. And I could have taken 911 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 1: a shot at him at that scrape if he had 912 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: turned my way. He didn't end up turning my way. 913 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,480 Speaker 1: He walked a little bit and then I got a 914 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,719 Speaker 1: shot closer. But was just one recent example where a 915 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 1: scrape within range was really helpful in that kind of way. 916 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: And you can you can make those scrapes being ranged 917 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: by taking some time this offseason and creating those. So, 918 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: so that's an idea. I don't know, Tony, what do 919 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 1: you do you ever think about that? I know on 920 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 1: public land that's not something you either can or is 921 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,840 Speaker 1: practical to do all that often, But um, what do 922 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 1: you think? I mean? I like it because it's I 923 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 1: like your your strategy of first you know, harm and 924 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: it's it's not going to hurt you at all to 925 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,280 Speaker 1: do that. And when you when you start putting stuff 926 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: like that around your stand or paying attention to it 927 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 1: or enhancing a little bit, you know, like like you said, 928 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: with a scrape, we tend to focus on what they 929 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,080 Speaker 1: kick out, and that's that you know, big dished out 930 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 1: truckhood size scrape gets our attention, but that licking branch 931 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: is where it's at, and that that communication is so 932 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,800 Speaker 1: important to deer. And so those that kind of option 933 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: is you know, you you might not have the ability 934 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: to put in a food plot or you know, build 935 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: a pond or really enhanced a property, but the odds 936 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: are pretty decent. If you're running on private land, you 937 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,359 Speaker 1: could at least put in a mock scrape by your 938 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 1: stand and try to at least position those deer if 939 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: they come in. So yeah, I like it. Yeah, and 940 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,319 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's simple. But sometimes add a bunch 941 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: of little simple things together and and it becomes something substantial. UM. 942 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,839 Speaker 1: And I guess I should I should add for those 943 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,920 Speaker 1: people who are newer, maybe you don't know what I'm 944 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 1: talking about when I say in box scrape, Um, I'll 945 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,400 Speaker 1: give you the quick thirty second cliff notes on what 946 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: I mean here. These you know, a scrape is this 947 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 1: communication hub like you just described Tony, where deer will 948 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: come and leave a bunch of kind of chemical signals 949 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,919 Speaker 1: that say stuff like hey I was here, or hey 950 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,360 Speaker 1: who else is here? Um? And they kick up a 951 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: big patch of dirt. And they always do this underneath 952 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,840 Speaker 1: an overhanging branch that should be, you know, leaning down 953 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 1: at about deer head level. So let's call that three 954 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,319 Speaker 1: and a half to four and a half feet high 955 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: off the ground maybe. Um. And and so if you 956 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: want to create one of those, all you gotta do 957 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 1: is is find a branch like that, or bend a 958 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: branch down so it's at that height, and kick up 959 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,080 Speaker 1: some dirt underneath it. Try to do this without leaving 960 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of humans scent around. Um. And you know, 961 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,760 Speaker 1: There's been a lot different ideas around whether scent matters 962 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: or not. But I take a leak in a scrape 963 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,280 Speaker 1: when I make a mox scrape. UM, I've seen research 964 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: that shows that that has no negative and triggers activity 965 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,839 Speaker 1: just the same as a buckhead peed in it. UM. 966 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: And then just make sure that licking branch, that branch overhangs. 967 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,920 Speaker 1: Make sure that's conspicuous from what I gather. That's one 968 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: of the most important things is that it stands out 969 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 1: from everything else. UM. If you do that and there's 970 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: this little you know, snapped off twigs at the end 971 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 1: or something, you're gonna get deer that will catch sight 972 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 1: of that patch of dirt and that liking branch and 973 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,919 Speaker 1: want to check it out. And then after one deer 974 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,800 Speaker 1: does that, then another deer wants to come check it 975 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,319 Speaker 1: out out and smell that, and it builds off from 976 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,440 Speaker 1: there so real quick. That the the high level overview 977 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: of what a scrape is and and how to make 978 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: a mox scrape. Do you have anything else? Don it? No? 979 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,560 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what they are. Many that's what 980 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:17,120 Speaker 1: they are. Okay, what's what's what's next? UM? I would say, 981 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 1: you know, kind of on, you know, to to go 982 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 1: from that to the style that I tend to hunt. 983 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 1: You know that that's a specific your mox scrape thing 984 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 1: is is pretty specific to private land and actually like 985 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,120 Speaker 1: a great thing for small property hunters, you know, if 986 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 1: you're if you're kind of on the other end and 987 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,920 Speaker 1: you've got some bigger properties to rome, or you're more 988 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,920 Speaker 1: of a public land hunter at least I know, the 989 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 1: last several years, I've started to scout like trail cameras 990 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: don't exist, and I still run a bunch of trail 991 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: cameras where I can, but I try to sort of 992 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:58,320 Speaker 1: mitigate how important the findings are with the old school 993 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 1: style of a lot of summertime glassing, you know, a 994 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: lot of late winter covering, ground reading the terrain, looking 995 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 1: at last year, signed doing a lot of winter scouting, 996 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: and just use trail cameras as like a fun bonus 997 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 1: that might clue me into something, but just so I like, 998 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,439 Speaker 1: it's kind of a self preservation thing, so I don't 999 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,279 Speaker 1: rely on them so much. And I realized after I 1000 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 1: started doing this that just my my overall scouting game 1001 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 1: felt like it got a lot better, and I just 1002 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 1: enjoyed it more because I wasn't just sitting there going okay, 1003 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,840 Speaker 1: well that that camera has been soaking two weeks, I 1004 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: want to go check it. I had other things to do, 1005 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,839 Speaker 1: to go glass in the evenings and just go take 1006 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: a walk at certain times and go look for sign 1007 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,719 Speaker 1: and just I feel like it's a good way to 1008 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,919 Speaker 1: go about really getting a grasp on what the deer doing. 1009 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:54,400 Speaker 1: What's what's like one thing that someone listening could do 1010 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 1: this year when it comes to these scouting sessions, that 1011 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,600 Speaker 1: would be I don't know if next level is the 1012 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,800 Speaker 1: right word, but how do you how do you alluded 1013 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,759 Speaker 1: to this other terms like level up? How do you 1014 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,279 Speaker 1: level up your scouting? Because every everybody that likes the 1015 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: deer hunt knows you're supposed to scout, knows that you 1016 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,280 Speaker 1: should scout, and they probably do some amount of it. Um, 1017 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,520 Speaker 1: but what's some way we can take it up a 1018 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,240 Speaker 1: notch or something you've found it's a little bit different 1019 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,760 Speaker 1: that has actually helped you more than you expected anything 1020 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,799 Speaker 1: coming on? Um, you know, I would just say that 1021 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,759 Speaker 1: I think for me, the most valuable scouting time I 1022 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:37,240 Speaker 1: spend is in March, and it's because I absolutely am 1023 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 1: willing to go walk a lot of miles and look 1024 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:41,839 Speaker 1: at the woods as bare as it will ever be. 1025 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,319 Speaker 1: And really, you know, we focus a lot on you know, 1026 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,239 Speaker 1: last season's sign, and you know where where would you 1027 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,680 Speaker 1: hanging a stand around these rubs, or you know, how 1028 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,799 Speaker 1: would you sneak in and hunt them? But what it 1029 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,360 Speaker 1: really does is give you like a clear picture of 1030 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,360 Speaker 1: how the terrain works. And so even if you hunt 1031 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,719 Speaker 1: you know, where where I live is relatively flat, and 1032 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,440 Speaker 1: so you don't have a lot of traditional pinch points 1033 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,480 Speaker 1: and funnels that are that are terrain based. But you 1034 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,239 Speaker 1: even see these little, you know, five foot differences in elevation, 1035 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,160 Speaker 1: and you start to see not only how the sign works, 1036 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,800 Speaker 1: but how some of the winter travel has been. You 1037 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: might see the trails from last year if the snow 1038 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: is melted, and it just gives you this picture of 1039 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,839 Speaker 1: how the deer used use the woods that you're going 1040 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,560 Speaker 1: to be hunting more fully. Like it's it's just you 1041 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,840 Speaker 1: can just read it easier, I guess. And I think 1042 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:31,840 Speaker 1: I think we kind of overlook that message a lot 1043 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,840 Speaker 1: of times. Yeah, yeah, I think it's a lot of 1044 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,919 Speaker 1: truth to that. You know, another thing I've been trying 1045 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 1: to do um is is actively try to ask the 1046 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 1: question of why when I see something. So when I'm 1047 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,440 Speaker 1: out there in the woods and I walk around and 1048 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,120 Speaker 1: I see something that catches my eye, a trail or 1049 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,760 Speaker 1: a scrape or a line of rubs or something, um, 1050 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,840 Speaker 1: I want to in that moment take a second to 1051 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: think about why is the us here? And why was 1052 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,800 Speaker 1: this made this past year? If it's if it's signed 1053 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,720 Speaker 1: that seems to have made been made recently, I guess 1054 00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,200 Speaker 1: that's that's question number one is Okay, when was this made? 1055 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,799 Speaker 1: When did that? What's this from? And then why was 1056 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,799 Speaker 1: it here? It's really easy, I think, to think you're 1057 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,080 Speaker 1: scouting just by like walking around and look at it 1058 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff, and then you say, well, I 1059 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 1: walked around and looked at a bunch of stuff I scouted. 1060 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,279 Speaker 1: I think that that counts for something. But it could 1061 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,120 Speaker 1: be a lot more effective if you scout and you 1062 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,840 Speaker 1: learn some stuff while you're out there that really sticks. 1063 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 1: I think that's a trick. Is like figure out how 1064 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,880 Speaker 1: to make the stuff stick. So literally putting way points 1065 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,760 Speaker 1: on your maps, that's the way to make things stick. 1066 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 1: Writing stuff down the way to make things stick. But 1067 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,040 Speaker 1: taking a second to look at something and then think 1068 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: about it. That's another way to make it stick. So 1069 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,319 Speaker 1: sit there and you've got this rub line. Maybe let's say, 1070 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,520 Speaker 1: man walking along, I see a big rub. I take 1071 00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,399 Speaker 1: ten more steps and see another big rub Take another 1072 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 1: ten steps, see another big rud. I'm gonna say, Okay, 1073 00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,960 Speaker 1: I just found this rub line. Why is this here? 1074 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,280 Speaker 1: Why did this buck come through here? What were the 1075 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,319 Speaker 1: habitat features present last year? Because it looks like these 1076 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 1: rubs are made at some point last season. They're they're 1077 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,480 Speaker 1: fresh enough that it was sometime this past fall. All right, 1078 00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,520 Speaker 1: let me think about it. There's this corn field here 1079 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,040 Speaker 1: to my right, that's down the bottom, all right, So 1080 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,600 Speaker 1: it looks like this rub line was heading down towards 1081 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,439 Speaker 1: this corn field. Okay, he was heading to deep feet 1082 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,160 Speaker 1: on corn all right. Well, where's this coming from? Well, 1083 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 1: it looks like, you know, there's this saddle in the ridge. 1084 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,960 Speaker 1: I wonder it kind of looks like he probably must 1085 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,480 Speaker 1: have been up there and came down off that saddle. 1086 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,279 Speaker 1: So he probably passed through here because there was a 1087 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,480 Speaker 1: low point in this ridge. And why was he up 1088 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,960 Speaker 1: on that ridge? Well, let me think about that. I 1089 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,720 Speaker 1: know there's this thicket up there, you know, three cores 1090 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 1: the way up where there's a bunch of blowdowns and 1091 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,319 Speaker 1: there was some cutting five years ago. I wonder if 1092 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,040 Speaker 1: he was in there, maybe he was checking that betting 1093 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 1: air for does or maybe that's where he was betted. 1094 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 1: And and just I'm not saying any one of those 1095 00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 1: things is going to be absolutely true, and you're not 1096 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,480 Speaker 1: necessarily going to know that when you're sitting there and 1097 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,520 Speaker 1: thinking about this, but just the taking the time to 1098 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 1: think through it and and try to ask yourself those 1099 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,959 Speaker 1: questions and do that exercise. I guess I think that 1100 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,200 Speaker 1: is a helpful way to get a bigger bang for 1101 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:18,960 Speaker 1: your buck on those scouting hours you're putting in. Um 1102 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:23,280 Speaker 1: would you agree, absolutely? And I think it it helps 1103 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,880 Speaker 1: you just you know, once again kind of layer in 1104 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,040 Speaker 1: that experience. And I always think about, like, you know, 1105 00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,880 Speaker 1: a good example would be if you if you like 1106 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,920 Speaker 1: to hunt rivers or you know, hunt waterways, and you 1107 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,600 Speaker 1: think about a bluff coming down to a river and 1108 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,719 Speaker 1: the kind of pinch point it might create, like you 1109 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 1: can run into that in so many states, in so 1110 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:49,040 Speaker 1: many different places. Something that is is like real close 1111 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,480 Speaker 1: to that that you might run into at home, And 1112 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,360 Speaker 1: so you head out on the road and you're like, Okay, 1113 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,319 Speaker 1: well where am I gonna go? Where I'm gonna find deer. 1114 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,480 Speaker 1: The more you spend looking at stuff like that or 1115 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,879 Speaker 1: like your saddle, you know, on a kind a ridge, 1116 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,160 Speaker 1: like you talked about, these these dower do the same 1117 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,520 Speaker 1: thing in a lot of different places. And so the 1118 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,600 Speaker 1: more the more you get out and you see those 1119 00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,920 Speaker 1: those really kind of unique terrain features that make them 1120 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,800 Speaker 1: go one way or the other. They they tend to 1121 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 1: choose to go under this one or over this one, 1122 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,239 Speaker 1: or however they use it. It applies to a lot 1123 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,000 Speaker 1: of places you'll hunt, and it can just make you 1124 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,279 Speaker 1: you know, you know, you can kind of get that 1125 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,120 Speaker 1: feeling like oh, I've been there and done that, like 1126 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,239 Speaker 1: when you see it in a new place. Yeah, well 1127 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,120 Speaker 1: you talked about that spidy sense that you that you've got. 1128 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes and there's a lot of other people who will 1129 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,759 Speaker 1: just talk about they'll know someone a friend or I 1130 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,359 Speaker 1: don't know someone they fall in the air, like man, 1131 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,480 Speaker 1: that guy's just got like the field for it, or 1132 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,880 Speaker 1: there's he has this intuition just like knows how to 1133 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:48,239 Speaker 1: set up um. Oftentimes it's it's just this, it's you've 1134 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,200 Speaker 1: seen these situations enough times, and you've thought them through 1135 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,000 Speaker 1: enough times that your brain now just naturally recognizes these patterns. 1136 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,240 Speaker 1: It's it's seen it enough that without even really needing 1137 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,400 Speaker 1: to think get through all the way through, you'll be 1138 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,239 Speaker 1: able to recognize something and say, oh, yeah, this is 1139 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,239 Speaker 1: this is where he'd pass through. And maybe you know 1140 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,600 Speaker 1: ten years ago that wouldn't be the case. But give 1141 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,399 Speaker 1: it enough time, answer these questions, study these things, look 1142 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,400 Speaker 1: for those patterns, and then it all of a sudden 1143 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,239 Speaker 1: you'll get these lightbulb moments, even if you're in a 1144 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,359 Speaker 1: totally different state or five years later. So so yeah, 1145 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:29,800 Speaker 1: I think this stuff, it can really pay off. Um, 1146 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,719 Speaker 1: let's move on to another one. I think, um, and 1147 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,160 Speaker 1: this is this is a taken another turn. I've got 1148 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,280 Speaker 1: an idea here, a suggestion here. That is just one 1149 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,720 Speaker 1: specific example of something you can do when it comes 1150 00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,400 Speaker 1: to preparing in the off season with your bow. So, 1151 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,400 Speaker 1: if you're a bow hunter, I think it's pretty obvious 1152 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 1: to most everybody that a big part of your off 1153 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,600 Speaker 1: season preparations should be practice. Get a lot of practicing 1154 00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,680 Speaker 1: with your bow. Really make sure that thing is a 1155 00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,680 Speaker 1: part of you that you really come your bowl Um, 1156 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,600 Speaker 1: we've talked in the past, telling me about various challenges 1157 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,080 Speaker 1: that both of us have had over the years with 1158 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,360 Speaker 1: target panic or blowing a shot, or making a mistake 1159 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,160 Speaker 1: or something going wrong. There's there's just so many parts 1160 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,640 Speaker 1: of bow hunting that can go wrong in those final 1161 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,200 Speaker 1: seconds or that final minute. UM, So don't skimp on 1162 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,040 Speaker 1: the practice in the off season. But I want to 1163 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,840 Speaker 1: just mentioned one specific thing that maybe isn't thought about 1164 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,360 Speaker 1: all the time. And my idea here is something that's 1165 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,240 Speaker 1: top of mind for me because I dealt with this 1166 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,800 Speaker 1: challenge is past year. So it's something that I'm specifically 1167 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,960 Speaker 1: thinking about now, and that is training to get stuck 1168 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,800 Speaker 1: at full draw. So when I say that, I mean 1169 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,480 Speaker 1: there's many situations where you might be out there bow 1170 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,360 Speaker 1: hunting and you draw back because you think you're about 1171 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,320 Speaker 1: to get a shot, and then for some reason you 1172 00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,560 Speaker 1: can't get that shot. Either the deer is staring at you, 1173 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,680 Speaker 1: or the deer stops and he's behind a tree and 1174 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 1: you can't shoot. UM, and now you're stuck holding your 1175 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,160 Speaker 1: bow back, and you don't want to draw down again 1176 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,920 Speaker 1: because that would make a bunch of movement or maybe noise, 1177 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:06,720 Speaker 1: or maybe that buck staring at you, and you know 1178 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,560 Speaker 1: he'll see you if you draw down. So being able 1179 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,120 Speaker 1: to handle that moment and stay at full draw for 1180 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,080 Speaker 1: as long as possible, but still be able to execute 1181 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,640 Speaker 1: a successful shot when the moment comes, that's really important. Um. 1182 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,760 Speaker 1: And it's something though, like in our typical practice routines 1183 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,120 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, at least I think myself included, 1184 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,960 Speaker 1: it might be something that you're not usually practicing. Four. Right, 1185 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,720 Speaker 1: when I'm behind this house shooting, I draw back, I 1186 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,720 Speaker 1: settle in, I shoot, grab another air drawback, I settle in, 1187 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:41,320 Speaker 1: I shoot. And if I don't proactively think to train 1188 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,760 Speaker 1: for something else, you know, it's it's really easy just 1189 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,640 Speaker 1: to get in that pattern and have fun shooting your 1190 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,200 Speaker 1: bow and not ever practice for this one scenario that 1191 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,760 Speaker 1: might happen once every couple of years, but when it 1192 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,960 Speaker 1: does happen, you'll really wish you had practiced for it. So, uh, 1193 00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:01,960 Speaker 1: you've been in that situation before, I'm sure, oh big yeah? Uh, 1194 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,480 Speaker 1: I mean for me this past year, it happened, um 1195 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,920 Speaker 1: when that bucka was after Tran We talked about this 1196 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,600 Speaker 1: on I don't know in November when you were here 1197 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,920 Speaker 1: hunting with me. When I was talking about how I 1198 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,160 Speaker 1: missed him. I got in a situation where he went 1199 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,120 Speaker 1: into the thicket, I drew back on him, and then 1200 00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,960 Speaker 1: I found one tiny, little minuscule hole that I shouldn't 1201 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,600 Speaker 1: have tried to shoot through, but I decided I was 1202 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,760 Speaker 1: going to try, And I was a full drop for 1203 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,040 Speaker 1: a long time waiting for him to get to that hole, 1204 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,160 Speaker 1: and so it was an ill advised shot to take 1205 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,800 Speaker 1: it all. I shouldn't have taken it. We've already dove 1206 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,360 Speaker 1: into that plenty um. But on top of that, I 1207 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,840 Speaker 1: was also at full drop for a really, really long time, 1208 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:42,960 Speaker 1: and so I was not in a good position to 1209 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,600 Speaker 1: even execute on this tough shot given that. So it 1210 00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,320 Speaker 1: was a series of mistakes compounded on each other, um, 1211 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,600 Speaker 1: and I blew it. So this year, I want to 1212 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,120 Speaker 1: make sure that I'm going to be better prepared for 1213 00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,640 Speaker 1: that situation again. So there's there's two ways that that 1214 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,560 Speaker 1: I know of to to deal of this. There's a 1215 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,400 Speaker 1: bunch of different ways, probably, but a couple of things 1216 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,040 Speaker 1: that I've thought of. One is something I've done in 1217 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,400 Speaker 1: the past, and one is something that I read about 1218 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,840 Speaker 1: and I thought it was a good idea. So one 1219 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:14,800 Speaker 1: is just the simple exercise of drawing back your bow 1220 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,440 Speaker 1: with an arrow on it, aiming at the target, ideally 1221 01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,600 Speaker 1: a three D target, but whatever, aim at the target 1222 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:25,240 Speaker 1: and hold and hold it until you cannot hold any longer. 1223 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,040 Speaker 1: So you're just drawing and holding your bow back until 1224 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,280 Speaker 1: you just can't do anymore, and then let down and 1225 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,320 Speaker 1: then draw back and do the same thing, and do 1226 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,560 Speaker 1: that a few times every time you practice. In a 1227 01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,200 Speaker 1: perfect world, you would do that a lot every time 1228 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,480 Speaker 1: you practice. If you could dedicate the last ten minutes 1229 01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,640 Speaker 1: or something of your practice session to do and stuff 1230 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,360 Speaker 1: like that, you're really going to build up some serious 1231 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,280 Speaker 1: um you know, I don't know if it's a significant muscle, 1232 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,640 Speaker 1: but that will help. Um. That's what I have done 1233 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,000 Speaker 1: in the past, and I've also the reason why I 1234 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,600 Speaker 1: started doing that in the first place was that this 1235 01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,440 Speaker 1: is an exercise also to help with target panic. Just 1236 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,240 Speaker 1: learning to draw back and float on a target without 1237 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,439 Speaker 1: punching the trigger is a great exercise to just get 1238 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,600 Speaker 1: better at feeling comfortable in those moments. So there's kind 1239 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,000 Speaker 1: of a double benefit here, um. But real quick. One 1240 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,520 Speaker 1: other idea I read about was something that Randy Almer 1241 01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,720 Speaker 1: wrote about once, and he had talked about the exercise 1242 01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,520 Speaker 1: of not just the holding back, but the drawing back 1243 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,720 Speaker 1: and doing that over and over. So yeah, he was 1244 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,800 Speaker 1: basically saying that at the end of your practice session, 1245 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,560 Speaker 1: draw back your bow, draw back down, drawback, bring about, 1246 01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,760 Speaker 1: let it back down, drawback, let it back down, and 1247 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,840 Speaker 1: do that as many times as you possibly can until 1248 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,080 Speaker 1: you literally can't try your ball back anymore. So do 1249 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,760 Speaker 1: that to failure, and that will build up so much 1250 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,520 Speaker 1: of the important muscle um in your shoulder and back 1251 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,200 Speaker 1: that that's another way to kind of build up the 1252 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:55,280 Speaker 1: necessary um, the necessary ability to maintain that full draw 1253 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,800 Speaker 1: for long period time. So those are two little exercises 1254 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,560 Speaker 1: you could try to train for this um. I don't 1255 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,919 Speaker 1: know tell any of you ever kind of thought about 1256 01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,000 Speaker 1: this in your training regiment. Is there any other suggestions 1257 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,400 Speaker 1: you would have? Well, you know, the other way to 1258 01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,200 Speaker 1: address this is just to dial down your draw weight, 1259 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, and and because it's it's always good to 1260 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,640 Speaker 1: build that muscle memory and work on that, you know. 1261 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,680 Speaker 1: I mean, whether you shoot seventy pounds or fifty doesn't matter, 1262 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,080 Speaker 1: it's it's always good to work on that. Like you 1263 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:30,520 Speaker 1: and Randy Uh kind of talked about but I would 1264 01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,640 Speaker 1: say the other aspect of this is just to be honest, 1265 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,960 Speaker 1: if you're not going to do this, or you don't 1266 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,760 Speaker 1: think you're gonna get yourself in a position where you know, 1267 01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have to hold on a buck for 1268 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:45,120 Speaker 1: a minute, like well maybe maybe, but maybe not. And 1269 01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:49,200 Speaker 1: if you're not physically ready for that, because you're drawn 1270 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,760 Speaker 1: seventy and you'd be way more comfortable at sixty, maybe 1271 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,960 Speaker 1: think about backing off. I mean, I really think with 1272 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:58,040 Speaker 1: today's how efficient bows are today, and you know the 1273 01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,320 Speaker 1: general range we're shooting that deer um, it's kind of 1274 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:06,480 Speaker 1: unnecessary to be it's absolutely unnecessary to be overbowed. But 1275 01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,000 Speaker 1: a lot of us could back off, you know, a 1276 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,320 Speaker 1: turn or two or three and drop down you know, 1277 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,720 Speaker 1: five to like nine pounds of of draw weight and 1278 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,000 Speaker 1: have a much more enjoyable shooting experience and just just 1279 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,960 Speaker 1: sort of shortcut that way to be able to hold longer. Yeah, 1280 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,560 Speaker 1: And like you said, I think it helps in a 1281 01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,480 Speaker 1: lot of aspects of your shooting process, not just the 1282 01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,040 Speaker 1: whole stuck in draw, but I think everything becomes a 1283 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:37,400 Speaker 1: lot easier the less you're holding back. And unless you 1284 01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,200 Speaker 1: probably know more about this, Is there any downside to that? Like, 1285 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,080 Speaker 1: is there any is there if you make it so 1286 01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,400 Speaker 1: easy to hold back that you're not even having to 1287 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,880 Speaker 1: think about it? Is there any risk of like creeping 1288 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,680 Speaker 1: forward or something funky going on with your shot process? Um, 1289 01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm just simply curious. To a first glance, I 1290 01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:01,120 Speaker 1: don't see him downside. But no, you know you're sacrificing 1291 01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:02,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of energy, right, I mean you're putting 1292 01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,240 Speaker 1: less into the arrow. So that's that's the downside. But 1293 01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,000 Speaker 1: you know it's not like, you know, we should we 1294 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,920 Speaker 1: should probably clarify this. It's not like you're gonna go 1295 01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,000 Speaker 1: from you know, let's say, being able to really hold 1296 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,760 Speaker 1: well for ten or fifteen seconds now all of a sudden, 1297 01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:20,160 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to just sit there for 1298 01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,120 Speaker 1: three minutes. You know, it might it might buy you 1299 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,360 Speaker 1: another five or ten or fifteen seconds of of good comfort, 1300 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,640 Speaker 1: but it's not gonna be you know what you're what 1301 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna do with your average bow in the in 1302 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:36,240 Speaker 1: the drawway window isn't gonna make it vastly different. But 1303 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,200 Speaker 1: we'll make everything more comfortable. And you know, you talk 1304 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:44,600 Speaker 1: about how you draw like you know, I whenever I practice, 1305 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,240 Speaker 1: I always like, the one thing I always think about 1306 01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,320 Speaker 1: is drawing straight back to my face while I'm aiming 1307 01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,000 Speaker 1: at the target, like, because that's what I want to do. 1308 01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:55,880 Speaker 1: When I'm in the woods. I don't want to sky 1309 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,680 Speaker 1: that bow, you know, or if I'm in a blind, 1310 01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,520 Speaker 1: I want it to come back very actually in a slow, 1311 01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:06,840 Speaker 1: measured draw and not any fast herky jerky movements until 1312 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,320 Speaker 1: lowering your draw weight a little bit just makes that easier. Yeah, 1313 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,520 Speaker 1: So just in case people don't know what you mean 1314 01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,800 Speaker 1: by that when you say sky the ball, that would 1315 01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,479 Speaker 1: be when some if your draw weight is is too 1316 01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,680 Speaker 1: high for what you're comfortable with, a lot of people 1317 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,480 Speaker 1: will pull their put their bow hand up high in 1318 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,240 Speaker 1: the air and then pulled down. And because it's easier 1319 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,480 Speaker 1: to draw back a really heavy weight when it's kind 1320 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,160 Speaker 1: of in that angle. So if you find yourself doing that, 1321 01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:35,200 Speaker 1: that is a clear sign you're drawn back too much. Um. Yeah, 1322 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,360 Speaker 1: that's that's a really important reminder. Yeah, and I should 1323 01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,000 Speaker 1: say something too, you know, when you when you talked 1324 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,600 Speaker 1: about drawing, drawing and holding on target for a long 1325 01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,200 Speaker 1: time and kind of floating that pin, like that's a 1326 01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,880 Speaker 1: real important distinction to make, like, don't don't throw out 1327 01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,160 Speaker 1: your block target and try to hold that pin for 1328 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,080 Speaker 1: forty five seconds directly on top of a little bull's eye. 1329 01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,840 Speaker 1: You'll you'll start to develop all kinds of wonkiness between 1330 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,520 Speaker 1: your ears. It's not a good thing. So you want 1331 01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:06,360 Speaker 1: to you know, if if I'm working on hold my 1332 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,760 Speaker 1: bow for a long time, I'm not aiming, Like so, 1333 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm I'm at full draw, but I'm not settled in. 1334 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm my head's off, I'm not looking through my aperture, 1335 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:18,120 Speaker 1: my my peep site. When when that happens, that's when 1336 01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:22,080 Speaker 1: I start aiming. Yeah, yep, that's that's an important reminder. 1337 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,400 Speaker 1: All right, what do we have next? Um, I would 1338 01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,840 Speaker 1: say just on that. As far as as practice and 1339 01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:35,640 Speaker 1: and you know, real world, real situational type of practice. Uh. 1340 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,280 Speaker 1: The one thing that I always tell people, especially new 1341 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,200 Speaker 1: Newish bow hunters, is if there's any way for you 1342 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,920 Speaker 1: to do it, get yourself a three D dear target. 1343 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,160 Speaker 1: And and I say that because we we kind of 1344 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,440 Speaker 1: preached this, you know, three or four or five inches 1345 01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,600 Speaker 1: behind the shoulder halfway up mentality for shots. But we're 1346 01:06:55,640 --> 01:07:00,640 Speaker 1: assuming a broadside deer and I've seen you bow hunters 1347 01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,360 Speaker 1: take that and go I need to aim three inches 1348 01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,800 Speaker 1: behind the shoulder, but not really considering what the deer's 1349 01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,439 Speaker 1: angle is. You know what, you know, not only quartering away, 1350 01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,520 Speaker 1: quartering too, but how high up in the tree are 1351 01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,080 Speaker 1: they if they're in a tree stand or using a saddle, 1352 01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:18,120 Speaker 1: And it's not a simple thing for picking. Your point 1353 01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,080 Speaker 1: of impact is always just being three inches behind the shoulders. 1354 01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,640 Speaker 1: So I take a three D deer target, and pretty 1355 01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,480 Speaker 1: much after the sight in phase, all I use is 1356 01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,360 Speaker 1: three D targets. I don't I don't shoot a lot 1357 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:33,000 Speaker 1: of bulls eyes throughout the summer. But if I put one, 1358 01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,840 Speaker 1: you know, pound in one rebar steak, I can spin 1359 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:40,200 Speaker 1: that that three D target around and so I can 1360 01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:44,040 Speaker 1: get into uh, you know, the quartering away shots or 1361 01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,360 Speaker 1: slightly quartering toward or I'm lucky I have a deck 1362 01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,040 Speaker 1: I can shoot from, so I can get that elevated 1363 01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,760 Speaker 1: practice without having to get into a tree. And what 1364 01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,120 Speaker 1: it does is that it forces your brain to go, Okay, 1365 01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,680 Speaker 1: the deer's at this position or that position or this position. 1366 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,520 Speaker 1: Kind Like when when you are with an experienced bow 1367 01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,120 Speaker 1: hunter in a tree stand, that's all they're thinking about 1368 01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,400 Speaker 1: when that buck walks, you know, like what if he 1369 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,520 Speaker 1: moves this way or he just turned this way. Now, 1370 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:12,960 Speaker 1: I got to think about this. Now, my point of 1371 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,520 Speaker 1: impacts three inches back. And if you spend time practicing 1372 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,360 Speaker 1: for that as opposed to just you know, broadside at 1373 01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:23,320 Speaker 1: twenty yards or or shooting a bulls eyes, it just helps. 1374 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,200 Speaker 1: It helps you get into that autopilot mindset when you 1375 01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:27,920 Speaker 1: want when you watch that deer walk in, that you're 1376 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,120 Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna probably been in a better place as 1377 01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,760 Speaker 1: far as where you're gonna settle that pin. So it 1378 01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,679 Speaker 1: just blew my mind with your your idea of only 1379 01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,920 Speaker 1: putting in one piece of rebar so you can spin 1380 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,240 Speaker 1: the target around. I don't know why I never thought 1381 01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,880 Speaker 1: of that, but that is genius. So you can get 1382 01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,720 Speaker 1: all the different angles. Well it's dumb, right, because you 1383 01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,960 Speaker 1: could just walk one way or the other. But I 1384 01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,120 Speaker 1: say that because where I shoot in in my yard, 1385 01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,360 Speaker 1: I have a pretty narrow lane, and so I can't 1386 01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,519 Speaker 1: just walk twenty yards to the right or left. I 1387 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,400 Speaker 1: have to stay kind I have to shoot them sort 1388 01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,679 Speaker 1: of a narrow lane, and so I have to turn 1389 01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,559 Speaker 1: my target. Well, yeah, and I think there's a lot 1390 01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,479 Speaker 1: of people that would find themselves in some kind of 1391 01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,280 Speaker 1: situation like that where they've got their one elevated spot 1392 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,240 Speaker 1: or the one spot where they've got their stuff stacked up. 1393 01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,880 Speaker 1: It just makes it easier. Um, that's that's smart. Do 1394 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,719 Speaker 1: you know where that came from? Market? Where I had 1395 01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,519 Speaker 1: as many problems as I've had with buck fever, I've 1396 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:29,240 Speaker 1: had turkey fever worse almost, And when I started bow 1397 01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,040 Speaker 1: hunting turkeys, I could not hit a turkey correctly. It 1398 01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,080 Speaker 1: it like ruined me for a while. And so I 1399 01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,479 Speaker 1: ended up buying a standing turkey target and a strutting 1400 01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:42,000 Speaker 1: turkey target, and I put in just because I was like, oh, 1401 01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:45,200 Speaker 1: I don't you know, I only need one one rebar there. 1402 01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,680 Speaker 1: Put them in and you shoot that target and it 1403 01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,479 Speaker 1: would spin naturally a little bit. And what I realized 1404 01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,439 Speaker 1: is like every time one of my arrow hits my 1405 01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,920 Speaker 1: next shot, my point of impact is different. It was 1406 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:56,920 Speaker 1: like one of those dumb lightbulb moments where I'm like, oh, 1407 01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,360 Speaker 1: I could do this with any target. You know like it? 1408 01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,439 Speaker 1: So do you have a favorite three D target? I've 1409 01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:07,080 Speaker 1: tried a couple. Um, what's what's one or two that 1410 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,360 Speaker 1: you'd recommended people. I like Ryan Hard a lot man. 1411 01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,960 Speaker 1: So they're more expensive than than a lot of the 1412 01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,280 Speaker 1: other targets on the market. But I've had I've had 1413 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,800 Speaker 1: some of their targets for like six seven years out 1414 01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,639 Speaker 1: in Minnesota winters and never covered them, never taken him inside. 1415 01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,920 Speaker 1: And I can shoot him with broadheads and field points, 1416 01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,000 Speaker 1: and you know, it's kind of a buy once, cry 1417 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:33,200 Speaker 1: once scenario. But they last a long time. Yeah, yeah, 1418 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,400 Speaker 1: I'll second that that's been the one that I've stuck 1419 01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,960 Speaker 1: with the most. And and yeah, I hate the upfront cost, 1420 01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:42,400 Speaker 1: but I have personally seen the exact same thing lasted 1421 01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,320 Speaker 1: longer than I. That's That's what's behind my house right 1422 01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,920 Speaker 1: now is a couple of Rhineharts so or whatever that's worth. 1423 01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:53,719 Speaker 1: They seem to get the job done. Yep. I've got 1424 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,000 Speaker 1: one more on my antoni. Okay, and this one is 1425 01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:01,320 Speaker 1: the one where you call me weird is gonna come 1426 01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:07,160 Speaker 1: home to roost because this one, this one isn't isn't 1427 01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,080 Speaker 1: like a hunting tip, This isn't a shooting tip. This 1428 01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:16,639 Speaker 1: is a uh self development tip. Um. This comes from 1429 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,840 Speaker 1: a book I really like. It's called Atomic habits Um 1430 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,440 Speaker 1: and it's a book about how to like how habits 1431 01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:29,920 Speaker 1: and how the psychology of setting habits, sticking to habits 1432 01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,080 Speaker 1: and goals and all that stuff. How that you know 1433 01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,880 Speaker 1: can be learned and placed into action in your daily life. 1434 01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,519 Speaker 1: And it's backed up by a bunch of really interesting research. 1435 01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,120 Speaker 1: And one of the things that all these different folks 1436 01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:46,479 Speaker 1: have have found through their studies is that a really 1437 01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:51,160 Speaker 1: simple way to actually follow through and achieve goals or 1438 01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,280 Speaker 1: a set of tasks like what we're talking about here, 1439 01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:58,400 Speaker 1: is to do something called set and implement an implementation intention. 1440 01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:04,679 Speaker 1: So implement Asian intention is a fancy word for writing 1441 01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,799 Speaker 1: down your goals, making them very specific and action oriented, 1442 01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,400 Speaker 1: and then putting a date on them. So rather than 1443 01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,679 Speaker 1: saying all right, I listened to Mark and Tony and 1444 01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,559 Speaker 1: they said that I should get permission on new property. 1445 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,679 Speaker 1: So yeah, this year, I'm gonna try to get permission 1446 01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,000 Speaker 1: in new property. And that would be the way that 1447 01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,360 Speaker 1: Mark ten years ago maybe would have done things, But 1448 01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,640 Speaker 1: Mark in two thousand one would try to set an 1449 01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,760 Speaker 1: implementation intention around that. So what I would do is 1450 01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,000 Speaker 1: tonight or tomorrow morning, when i wake up early and 1451 01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,160 Speaker 1: I've got my planning time, I'm gonna say, all right, 1452 01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,599 Speaker 1: I'm gonna set three goals for the off season. These 1453 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,840 Speaker 1: guys inspired me to to actually do a few of 1454 01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,439 Speaker 1: the things. I'm gonna pick three of them, or maybe 1455 01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,479 Speaker 1: just one of them. Let's say I'll pick one of them, 1456 01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,680 Speaker 1: and I'm going to do this get permission thing. So 1457 01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna write my implementation intention. That means I'm gonna 1458 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,800 Speaker 1: be very specific about this goal. So my specific goal 1459 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,639 Speaker 1: is that I'm going to get permission on at least 1460 01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,719 Speaker 1: one new property this year. But to do that marks 1461 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,880 Speaker 1: it's a numbers game. So I'm going to ask for 1462 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,880 Speaker 1: permission on ten properties. So there's my very specific thing. 1463 01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:10,559 Speaker 1: I'm going to knock on ten doors for permission. The 1464 01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,759 Speaker 1: second thing you gotta do is you need to attach 1465 01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,400 Speaker 1: a deadline to it. This is really important. Actually put 1466 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,040 Speaker 1: a time or a date when you're gonna do it, 1467 01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,320 Speaker 1: so you're right down, I'm going to knock on ten 1468 01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:25,080 Speaker 1: doors and I'm going to do it this weekend or 1469 01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, the first weekend in May, which will be 1470 01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,680 Speaker 1: May eleven, something like that. If you do that, if 1471 01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,759 Speaker 1: you set a specific goal with some kind of deadline 1472 01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,040 Speaker 1: attached to it, and you take the physical action of 1473 01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,439 Speaker 1: writing it down and put it somewhere you're gonna see it. 1474 01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,320 Speaker 1: The odds that you follow through on that are much 1475 01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:46,400 Speaker 1: much higher than if you were to just say, oh yeah, 1476 01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:51,440 Speaker 1: I'll do that someday. So it's a simple little exercise 1477 01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,800 Speaker 1: that actually can make it do big important things. So 1478 01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,240 Speaker 1: I know that's a nerdy, weird thing, but my suggestion 1479 01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:03,280 Speaker 1: is to after this podcast write a couple of implementation tensions. 1480 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,320 Speaker 1: Maybe it's something we talked about here today that's inspired you, 1481 01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,280 Speaker 1: or maybe there's something else you've been thinking about that's 1482 01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,439 Speaker 1: on your off season to do list, Write it down, 1483 01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,800 Speaker 1: be specific, put a deadline on it. It can actually help. 1484 01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,320 Speaker 1: Am I am I weird because of that, Tony? Or 1485 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,200 Speaker 1: is there anything there that makes you nod your head 1486 01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,639 Speaker 1: and say I can see that. Uh, that's a great 1487 01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:28,320 Speaker 1: strategy for a guy like you, Mark. That's the nicest 1488 01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,599 Speaker 1: way anyone's ever told me. Full of ship before, take 1489 01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:37,000 Speaker 1: your adder all, make your list, set your future in motion. 1490 01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:41,080 Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, I'm gonna have to badger you 1491 01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:46,280 Speaker 1: into doing some of these, Tony, what's your last off 1492 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:50,720 Speaker 1: season idea? Um, I'm gonna freelance this a little bit more. 1493 01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:55,080 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think I do think that 1494 01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:59,680 Speaker 1: social contracts and contracts with yourself are valuable. I'm kind 1495 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,120 Speaker 1: of making funny, but I actually do think that that's 1496 01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,840 Speaker 1: that's true. I also think, I mean, this kind of 1497 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,759 Speaker 1: ties back to some of the other stuff we talked about. 1498 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:11,320 Speaker 1: But I had this moment. Uh, sometime last year, I 1499 01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,680 Speaker 1: was talking to our mutual friend and you and you know, 1500 01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,639 Speaker 1: we we typically talk about white tails, which would surprise 1501 01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,320 Speaker 1: no one, but we got off on the topic of 1502 01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,599 Speaker 1: small mouth and man, we talked about small mouth fishing 1503 01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,240 Speaker 1: for a long time. And what I realized and I 1504 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,320 Speaker 1: realized this a lot with my little girls taking them 1505 01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:34,120 Speaker 1: into the woods, is we're we're looking at white tail 1506 01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,439 Speaker 1: hunting like there's there's a certain percentage of hunters out 1507 01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,080 Speaker 1: there who are just like, that's my thing. That's all 1508 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:43,439 Speaker 1: I do. Every every moment I spend in the woods, 1509 01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,759 Speaker 1: I am on the you know, that focus, that mission focus, 1510 01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,240 Speaker 1: or if I'm at home and I have free time, 1511 01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,479 Speaker 1: I'm e scouting the crap out of these new spots. 1512 01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,519 Speaker 1: And you know, like that's that's perfect for some people. 1513 01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,559 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people aren't wired for that, 1514 01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,200 Speaker 1: and but they still want to get better. They just 1515 01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:05,000 Speaker 1: don't want to do that kind of hyper focused approach 1516 01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,800 Speaker 1: to white tails. And what I realized talking to Andy, 1517 01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,280 Speaker 1: and I've known some other people along the way who 1518 01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,680 Speaker 1: had just had what I call critter sense, like they 1519 01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,800 Speaker 1: just got out there after anything. They were just they 1520 01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,000 Speaker 1: were open to being out in the woods, hunting, fishing, 1521 01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,160 Speaker 1: doing whatever they could, and it just helped them get 1522 01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,800 Speaker 1: better at everything, which of course ties into white to hunting. 1523 01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,040 Speaker 1: So I always I always tell people, like, just spend 1524 01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:29,760 Speaker 1: more time out there. I mean, I talked to Zach 1525 01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,040 Speaker 1: Farrinbout about this a lot too, like just how often 1526 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,200 Speaker 1: he says he just goes out into the woods in 1527 01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,720 Speaker 1: the summer or goes to just find some deer to 1528 01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:40,559 Speaker 1: look at. And it's just it's it's not really tied 1529 01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,400 Speaker 1: to becoming a better deer hunter, but it makes you 1530 01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:43,880 Speaker 1: a better deer hunter, you know, kind of like the 1531 01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:48,080 Speaker 1: Turkey trip that is loosely tied to scouting for some 1532 01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,000 Speaker 1: fall trip in the future. All of that stuff. Even 1533 01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, you get out there and go wade some 1534 01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,360 Speaker 1: of those trout streams that you like to fish, and 1535 01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,080 Speaker 1: you you see crossings, you know, and you see where 1536 01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,080 Speaker 1: where is this deer ass thing and why why did 1537 01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,679 Speaker 1: they cross here? While it's like this nice little drainage 1538 01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:07,080 Speaker 1: feeds down here and you start seeing stuff like that 1539 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,920 Speaker 1: when you're out there more. And I know it's a 1540 01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,240 Speaker 1: huge leap to say, like, oh, getting better at being 1541 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:14,880 Speaker 1: a trail fisherman is going to make you a better 1542 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:18,160 Speaker 1: white tail hunter, but I actually think it does. Like 1543 01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,240 Speaker 1: I think the more you figure out with one thing 1544 01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,479 Speaker 1: feeds into the other, and it just it's like the 1545 01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,599 Speaker 1: rising tide lifting all ships. I think, spend more time 1546 01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,439 Speaker 1: out there, just generally. And I'll say, also, you know, 1547 01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:34,840 Speaker 1: I'm I'm wired differently as you alluded than you are 1548 01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:39,679 Speaker 1: and some other people, So I I usually go pretty 1549 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:44,439 Speaker 1: hard at anything I'm gonna do. And um, but what 1550 01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:49,240 Speaker 1: I found, as you described, is that if you allow yourself, 1551 01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,920 Speaker 1: So if someone listening is wired like me and finds 1552 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,160 Speaker 1: some self going like this guy as I do, I finally, 1553 01:17:56,200 --> 01:18:00,200 Speaker 1: for me, fly fishing has become this other thing I've 1554 01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,559 Speaker 1: become like obsessed with and have gone really hard at. 1555 01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:08,559 Speaker 1: But I have not attached any goals or objectives or 1556 01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:12,400 Speaker 1: mission or some kind of achievement. There's none of that 1557 01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,760 Speaker 1: stuff attached to it. So I can go out there 1558 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,920 Speaker 1: and and have this It's kind of like this equal 1559 01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,439 Speaker 1: but opposite force in my mind. Like I've got this 1560 01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:26,320 Speaker 1: like huge obsession for deer hunting that is very focused 1561 01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,080 Speaker 1: and goal oriented, and I'm always trying to get better, 1562 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:30,840 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to learn, learn and learn and do 1563 01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:35,000 Speaker 1: do do um, and then trout fishing for me has 1564 01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,280 Speaker 1: become this other thing that I've really come to love 1565 01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,080 Speaker 1: and become obsessed with. But I just go out there 1566 01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:42,479 Speaker 1: to just like be there, and it's the total opposite. 1567 01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm not stressed. Ever, I'm don't find myself throughout the 1568 01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:46,720 Speaker 1: year like how do I get better? How do I 1569 01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,599 Speaker 1: have ten off season tasks to get better? It's none 1570 01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,920 Speaker 1: of that. But I still love reading a book about it, 1571 01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,040 Speaker 1: and like my curiosity satiated about it, and I can 1572 01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,960 Speaker 1: get out there and just kind of be consumed with something, 1573 01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:01,840 Speaker 1: but something that's that's very very much lower stakes than 1574 01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,960 Speaker 1: I guess when I'm going into a deer hunting season. 1575 01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,719 Speaker 1: So for me, I I totally agree with that you're saying. 1576 01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,360 Speaker 1: For me, what that looks like is going deep into 1577 01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:13,160 Speaker 1: something still, but it's approaching it from a totally different 1578 01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,040 Speaker 1: mindset and approaching it with like just getting out there 1579 01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,120 Speaker 1: and really enjoying it and like just being in the 1580 01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:22,000 Speaker 1: moment completely. Whether I catch fish or not. While deer hunting, 1581 01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,479 Speaker 1: I'm fully immersed in. But I'm just because of who 1582 01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,640 Speaker 1: I am. I'm oriented to try to achieve some kind 1583 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:31,679 Speaker 1: of goal. That's just my thing. But yeah, I think 1584 01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,000 Speaker 1: diversity in your outdoor experiences, it's just like a good 1585 01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,160 Speaker 1: healthy thing, at least for me. I found that to 1586 01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,160 Speaker 1: be the case. And and obviously, you know you've talked 1587 01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:43,400 Speaker 1: about We've talked about obsessive deer hunters. We kind of 1588 01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:45,800 Speaker 1: need a release of elve. We need something that we 1589 01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,640 Speaker 1: can still be outside and enjoying the great outdoors, but 1590 01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:52,360 Speaker 1: doing in a way that is not so O c 1591 01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,160 Speaker 1: D or so gung ho or so whatever it is 1592 01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,280 Speaker 1: that we are both in our we we are that 1593 01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,680 Speaker 1: way in different ways, Tony. I do it my own way. 1594 01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,800 Speaker 1: You do your own way, But we're something and we 1595 01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,439 Speaker 1: both need a way to release that while still enjoying 1596 01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:09,679 Speaker 1: nature and getting outside and testing our critter sense. So 1597 01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,479 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of truth to that. Yeah, 1598 01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,639 Speaker 1: And you know it's I was I was just talking 1599 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,960 Speaker 1: to a buddy of mine earlier today, Who's who's picking 1600 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,920 Speaker 1: up his first bird dog. You know, he's going to 1601 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,559 Speaker 1: get a little lab puppy this morning. And we were 1602 01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,519 Speaker 1: just talking about where we would meet up this fall, 1603 01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,639 Speaker 1: this coming fall, as far as you know, maybe maybe 1604 01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,280 Speaker 1: hunt a few wood ducks, or maybe hunting some woodcock 1605 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,080 Speaker 1: or gross and just talking about these things. And what 1606 01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,360 Speaker 1: it makes me think about is, you know, not not 1607 01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,120 Speaker 1: only like the fly fishing example, but just everything you 1608 01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:45,000 Speaker 1: spend out like the more you're you're open to, the 1609 01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:47,439 Speaker 1: more you'll see these opportunities out there. So you might 1610 01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,080 Speaker 1: be sitting on a tree stand and see a bunch 1611 01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,120 Speaker 1: of ducks fly by, or you might be duck hunting 1612 01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,760 Speaker 1: and see a buck cruising somewhere. I have stuff like 1613 01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,240 Speaker 1: that happened to me all the time when I'm out 1614 01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:01,519 Speaker 1: there hunting, or you know, very obvious example is how 1615 01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,720 Speaker 1: often in the late season, when I'm pheasant hunting, I 1616 01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:08,320 Speaker 1: jump big bucks on public land out of patches of 1617 01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,280 Speaker 1: cover that just blow my mind. And all of that 1618 01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,439 Speaker 1: stuff just sort of gets filed away. And you know, 1619 01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,320 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm out there to hunt roosters with my dog. 1620 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm not out there to scout deer but there's value 1621 01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,920 Speaker 1: in in these these sort of generalist pursuits in a 1622 01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,479 Speaker 1: way that just feeds everything. Yeah, makes a lot of 1623 01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:30,840 Speaker 1: sense to me. Well that is uh, that's our ten 1624 01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,200 Speaker 1: that's our ten offseason ideas. Um, I guess I've got 1625 01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:37,400 Speaker 1: one last question, Tony. If you were at the bar 1626 01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,880 Speaker 1: with your buddies and they're sandy man, what's that Mark 1627 01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:45,800 Speaker 1: Kenyon guy? Like? How do't you answer it? Now? He 1628 01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:55,160 Speaker 1: is the the coolest normalist star quarterback, the nicest guy ever. 1629 01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,080 Speaker 1: All Right, I know what smokes me and blow in 1630 01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,160 Speaker 1: my ask, don't it? All right? Man? Thank you or 1631 01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:02,760 Speaker 1: thanks for making the time to do this. This is uh, 1632 01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,880 Speaker 1: this is a good time and hopefully there's some helpful 1633 01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,360 Speaker 1: things here for folks. I think there are, I hope, 1634 01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:09,519 Speaker 1: So thanks man. All right, buddy, we'll talk to him, 1635 01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,960 Speaker 1: all right, and that's gonna do it. Thank you all 1636 01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,880 Speaker 1: for listening. Hope you enjoyed this one. Hopefully we gave 1637 01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,040 Speaker 1: you a few things to think about over the coming 1638 01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,240 Speaker 1: months and get to work on because there's a lot 1639 01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,200 Speaker 1: to do. There's a lot of good times to be 1640 01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,120 Speaker 1: had out there. But by putting in some of that 1641 01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,400 Speaker 1: extra effort on the front end, you'll be able to 1642 01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:32,679 Speaker 1: enjoy it even more. Come Hunting season one, or whatever 1643 01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,840 Speaker 1: season it is you're working on. Maybe it's five years 1644 01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:36,920 Speaker 1: from now, but I hope some of this stuff can 1645 01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,519 Speaker 1: help you out. And until with chat next time. Thank 1646 01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:43,160 Speaker 1: you for listening, and stay wired to