Speaker 1: Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda Land Audio in
Speaker 1: partnership with I Heart Radio. Detective Inspector Jason Barber from
Speaker 1: the Flying Squad, a branch of the London Police, called
Speaker 1: the novemberteen robbery at dull Ch Picture Gallery quote an
Speaker 1: audacious attempt to steal two Rembrandt paintings and that it
Speaker 1: was clearly planned an advance. The suspect had his eye
Speaker 1: on two paintings that were part of Rembrandt's Light, an
Speaker 1: exhibit of thirty five of the Dutch masters paintings, etchings
Speaker 1: and drawings, but fled without the works after being confronted.
Speaker 1: While a gallery spokesperson declined to identify the two paintings
Speaker 1: which had been briefly taken, they never actually left the building,
Speaker 1: so they did state that Rembrandt's portrait of Yakota Guy
Speaker 1: in the third was definitely not involved, So why would
Speaker 1: she bother pointing that out? Well, there have been eighty
Speaker 1: one thefts of Remembrandt paintings during the last one hundred years,
Speaker 1: eighty one that have been publicly disclosed, that is, and
Speaker 1: that figure also does not include Rembrandts stolen by the
Speaker 1: Nazis during the Second World War. This makes the Dutch
Speaker 1: artist the second most stolen artist in history. He ranks
Speaker 1: behind Picasso, who can boast as many as one thousand,
Speaker 1: one forty seven stolen works. Rembrandt painted during the seventeenth century,
Speaker 1: and as part of his completed work, she'll find a
Speaker 1: portrait of a man named Yakob Dega in the third,
Speaker 1: an engraver who commissioned the painting. The portrait of Jacob
Speaker 1: Dega in the Third, as it's titled, has since been
Speaker 1: nicknamed the Takeaway Rembrandt. And that's because it's been stolen
Speaker 1: so many times, and each from the same gallery, all
Speaker 1: between the mid nineteen sixties and the early nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: each time for a different reason, and each time in
Speaker 1: a different fashion, but still four times. Welcome to Criminaliot,
Speaker 1: where it's art heist season. I'm Maria tram Marquis and
Speaker 1: I'm Holly Fry. So let's talk about the famous Dutch
Speaker 1: artist who created this work first. Today, Rembrandt is considered
Speaker 1: one of the greats, one of the masters, and some
Speaker 1: would call him the greatest Dutch painter in history. He
Speaker 1: created more than six hundred paintings, many of which are
Speaker 1: highly recognizable works, including The Night Watch, The Return of
Speaker 1: the Prodigal Son and The Storm on the Sea of Galilee,
Speaker 1: and he had significant influence on other painters, both during
Speaker 1: his lifetime and long after his death. Born on July fifteen,
Speaker 1: sixteen o six, in Leightden, Netherlands, Rembrandt Harmon zu and
Speaker 1: van Rin, also known to us best simply as Rembrandt,
Speaker 1: was the son of Harmon Garretts von Rin a Miller
Speaker 1: and Nukian von zoitber Okay. He was the youngest son
Speaker 1: of at least ten children. It was not, as a consequence,
Speaker 1: expected or assumed that he was going to carry on
Speaker 1: his father's business. Since the family was prosperous and able
Speaker 1: to give their children good educations, Rembrandt was sent to
Speaker 1: the Leightden Latin School. He enrolled briefly at the University
Speaker 1: of Leiden, possibly to study theology. His goal at university
Speaker 1: is actually unclear, and that's not just because the historical
Speaker 1: record is unclear. It's because he actually really wanted to
Speaker 1: study art and not any of the other options available
Speaker 1: to him. Jan Jansun Orler's Rembrandt's first biographer, reported that
Speaker 1: quote by nature, he was moved towards the art of
Speaker 1: painting and drawing. Rembrandt left his studies at the university
Speaker 1: to instead study the fundamentals of painting with Lighten artists
Speaker 1: Yakob Isaac's van Swanenburg. After three years with von Swannenberg,
Speaker 1: in sixteen twenty four, Rembrandt left for amsterday Him and
Speaker 1: there he studied under the Dutch painter Peter Lastman for
Speaker 1: about six months. Rembrandt returned to Lyden and quickly developed
Speaker 1: a reputation as a history painter and portraitist. By sixty eight,
Speaker 1: his work was praised by Sir Constantine Higgens, a Dutch
Speaker 1: Golden Age poet and composer as well as secretary to
Speaker 1: two Princes of Orange. He was also known as a
Speaker 1: chronicler of his times, as well as for his belief
Speaker 1: in the importance of gossip. Higgins It said, after a
Speaker 1: visit to rembrandt Lyden studio in sixteen twenty nine, remarked
Speaker 1: on the artist's ability to convey feeling through gesture and expression,
Speaker 1: and through dramatic contrasts of light and dark in his art.
Speaker 1: That same year, Rembrandt, then aged twenty two, took on
Speaker 1: his first pupils, including Garrett dow and Isaac Youderville. Documents
Speaker 1: indicate that Youderville paid Rembrandt one guilders a year to
Speaker 1: study with him. The Dutch guilder, for those of us
Speaker 1: who may not be so familiar with it, was the
Speaker 1: currency of the Netherlands from twelve fifty two until two
Speaker 1: thousand and two, when it was replaced by the Euro.
Speaker 1: After a few years in Leiden, in sixteen thirty one
Speaker 1: or possibly sixteen thirty two, Rembrandt moved to Amsterdam, where
Speaker 1: he started to paint portraits of people professionally. He was
Speaker 1: now a well known portrait artist and ran an active
Speaker 1: art studio that specialized in portrait commissions with Dutch art
Speaker 1: dealer Hendrik van Eilenberg. Along with commissioned portraits, Rembrandt also
Speaker 1: painted more than forty self portraits and portraits of his family.
Speaker 1: Van Eilenberg was a key player in the Dutch art market,
Speaker 1: and in sixteen thirty four the men became both business
Speaker 1: partners and family when Rembrandt wed Van Eisenberg's niece, Saskia.
Speaker 1: It was shortly after moving to Amsterdam when Rembrandt began
Speaker 1: to paint his work, the portrait of Jakob de Gay
Speaker 1: in the third. It's a little early, but we're going
Speaker 1: to take a break for a word from our sponsor now,
Speaker 1: and then we will talk about the commission of the
Speaker 1: piece and what this painting looks like when we return.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Criminalia. In sixteen thirty two, yakoba In
Speaker 1: the third commissioned the work that went on to become
Speaker 1: the most stolen artwork in the world. How strange would
Speaker 1: that feel if he were alive today to know about that?
Speaker 1: Probably pretty strange. Yakov de Gayne the third was a
Speaker 1: Dutch Golden Age engraver in the Hague who also produced
Speaker 1: some drawings and a limited number of paintings. He was
Speaker 1: a canon as in, a clergyman of St. Mary's in
Speaker 1: the city of Utrecht and a contemporary of Rembrandts, who
Speaker 1: became Cardinal of Utrecht, and as we're about to talk about,
Speaker 1: he was also the subject of this now famous oil
Speaker 1: painting by Rembrandt. In sixteen thirty two, he and his
Speaker 1: friend Reets Higgens commissioned similar companion portraits from ren Brant.
Speaker 1: The guy In and Hygens were close friends while living
Speaker 1: in the Hague, where Hygens was secretary to the Council
Speaker 1: of State and administrative body under the States General of
Speaker 1: the Republic. The artist and these two men were previously acquainted,
Speaker 1: and de Guine owned some of Rembrandt's paintings. The sitters
Speaker 1: in their portraits were similar clothing. Imagine if you will,
Speaker 1: black doublets and rough style, and they face an opposite direction.
Speaker 1: This is kind of like the ultimate Bestie portraits set.
Speaker 1: It's sort of cute when you know that that's how
Speaker 1: they commissioned these. There is, though, one big difference in
Speaker 1: these portraits, and that is that one of them has
Speaker 1: been stolen a lot. These paintings are actually small scale
Speaker 1: works for Rembrandt, who was known for his life sized portraits.
Speaker 1: The Degune is oil painted on a wooden panel that's
Speaker 1: just about ten by twelve inches or thirty by That
Speaker 1: small size, say some experts, is attractive to thieves because
Speaker 1: it's easy to hide. It's easier to hide during the getaway.
Speaker 1: It's easier to hide when you're waiting to fence it.
Speaker 1: It's just easy to put it somewhere. This portrait of
Speaker 1: Degne depicts him as a young man with long hair
Speaker 1: and a mustache, dressed in a dark cape with a
Speaker 1: white collar. Following Rembrandts painting techniques characteristic of his early portraits,
Speaker 1: Jacob's face is softly modeled, with a range of breaststrokes,
Speaker 1: and some are applied more thickly than others. Cream and
Speaker 1: pink colors brighten up his sunlit face. Rembrandt is quoted
Speaker 1: as having said once a painting is complete when it
Speaker 1: has the shadows of a god. Despite Rembrand's reputation and
Speaker 1: that the men were friends, the portrait was criticized in
Speaker 1: a poem by Sir Constance hin Higgens, who also happy
Speaker 1: to be the brother of portrait sitter Maurice Higgins, whom
Speaker 1: were referred to earlier as a big fan of Rembrandt's work,
Speaker 1: felt this depiction actually bore little resemblance to Degne. He
Speaker 1: stated he admired the painting, though, but wrote quote, if
Speaker 1: Degne's face had happened to look like this, this would
Speaker 1: have been an exact portrait of Degune. That's harsh. Well,
Speaker 1: what do critics know anyway, regardless of how spot on
Speaker 1: the portrait is or is not. In two thousand six,
Speaker 1: Guinness World Records awarded Rembrandt's portrait of Jakob Degaine the
Speaker 1: third the title of most Stolen Painting after it had
Speaker 1: been stolen four times from the Dullich Picture Gallery in London,
Speaker 1: first in nineteen sixty six, then in ninety three, again
Speaker 1: in nineteen eight one, and finally, well, perhaps we hope
Speaker 1: finally in nineteen eighty three. The painting has been recovered
Speaker 1: each time it's gone missing, and recovered in a variety
Speaker 1: of unexpected places, including in a luggage rack, on the
Speaker 1: back of a bicycle, in a cab, and even underneath
Speaker 1: the bench in street um. The Dulach Picture Gallery opened
Speaker 1: in South London in the beginning of the nineteenth century
Speaker 1: as the world's first gallery space created to display art
Speaker 1: for the public. It's a small space and was designed
Speaker 1: by architect Sir john Stone, originally to house the nearby
Speaker 1: Dulach College's collection of paintings by the Old Masters, including
Speaker 1: work by Rembrandt, as well as Rubens, Gainsboro and canaletto
Speaker 1: The Italian, French, Flemish, Dutch and Spanish schools of painting
Speaker 1: were all very well represented. The guying bequeathed his portrait
Speaker 1: to Maury T Higans upon his death, and the paintings
Speaker 1: remained together for many years. That's sort of another cute
Speaker 1: story of how they were best but I know and
Speaker 1: the and then after they were both dead, like the
Speaker 1: families still kept it. They're like, no, we loved, we
Speaker 1: loved Yakum who stays on the wall of us. Yes.
Speaker 1: After Marit's death in sixteen forty two, most believe that
Speaker 1: the portraits remained in the Hygens family, and then emerged
Speaker 1: once again in the record of a sale at auction
Speaker 1: to an Allered Rudolph von Vai in February of seventeen
Speaker 1: sixty four. Between seventeen eighty six and eighteen eleven, the
Speaker 1: painting was again sold at auction as well as through
Speaker 1: private sale, though it did not open its doors to
Speaker 1: the public until eighteen seventeen. The dull edch acquired the
Speaker 1: Divine in eighteen eleven at the bequest of Sir Peter
Speaker 1: Francis Bourgeois, who likely acquired it sometime after eighteen o four.
Speaker 1: Bourgeois was a court painter to George, the third King
Speaker 1: of Great Britain and of Ireland, and went on to
Speaker 1: become an art dealer and collector. Today, though these companion
Speaker 1: portraits remain apart, the Degune still hangs in the dull
Speaker 1: Arch Picture Gallery in London, and the portrait of Maurits
Speaker 1: is now in the Kunstella Humber. We're going to take
Speaker 1: a break for a word from our sponsor right now,
Speaker 1: and when we're back we will talk about the wends
Speaker 1: and house of each attempt to steal the decigne. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to Criminalia. Let's talk about each time the takeaway
Speaker 1: Rembrandt was taken. So the Takeaway Rembrandt, as it's become known,
Speaker 1: was first stolen more than three hundred years after it
Speaker 1: was painted. It was taken as part of a bigger
Speaker 1: heist involving the theft of eight old masters from the
Speaker 1: dull Arch Picture Gallery in South London overnight on December.
Speaker 1: Thieves used a drill and embrace to remove a panel
Speaker 1: from an oak door at the dull Edge. Once inside,
Speaker 1: they removed Rembrandt's painting of yakobd Gain the Third, as
Speaker 1: well as two other Rembrant works, a Girl at the
Speaker 1: Window and Portrait of Titus. The thieves also took three
Speaker 1: pictures by Rubens, including three Women with a cornucopia St.
Speaker 1: Barbara and the Three Graces A Lady playing on the
Speaker 1: Clavichord by Garrett Dow and a painting by Adam Elzheimer
Speaker 1: titled Susannah and the Elders also were taken. All the
Speaker 1: missing works, valued between an estimated one and a half
Speaker 1: million and three million pounds, were eventually recovered safely. Michael Hall,
Speaker 1: aged thirty two, the only one of the thieves to
Speaker 1: be caught for the caper, was sentenced at the Old
Speaker 1: Bailey to five years in prison. It took a team
Speaker 1: of twenty one detectives to recover the stolen works, but
Speaker 1: they did so and within a couple of days of
Speaker 1: the theft, following a tip off, several paintings were found
Speaker 1: wrapped in brown paper underneath the bush in the rookery
Speaker 1: in Strutham Common. Hall later claimed that seven works were
Speaker 1: stolen to order at the request of a Polish couple
Speaker 1: who offered a hundred thousand pound owns Fortnum. He claimed
Speaker 1: an English collector of Rembrandts had offered him thirty thousand
Speaker 1: pounds for the artist's portrait of Yako Degne alone. After
Speaker 1: his release from prison in nineteen seventy, Hall returned to
Speaker 1: the gallery to offer advice on security upgrades and holes,
Speaker 1: sharing that trip wires, for instance, should be fixed to
Speaker 1: the backs of works and wired to an alarm. The museum,
Speaker 1: though well, they failed to take any of this advice,
Speaker 1: and the devine went on to be stolen and recovered
Speaker 1: multiple more times. Sometimes you learned lessons the hard way.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to. The second Degagne heist happened in
Speaker 1: February of nineteen seventy three, when a visitor to the
Speaker 1: dull Arch Picture Gallery just simply took the painting off
Speaker 1: the wall, stuffed it into a plastic bag, and then
Speaker 1: calmly exited the building and then rode off on his bicycle.
Speaker 1: Investigators asked people to look for a man on a
Speaker 1: bicycle carrying a Rembrandt painting at a shop bank. That
Speaker 1: is not really a description. You'd hear a lot, uh,
Speaker 1: And within minutes Norman Rutton, who was aged twenty four,
Speaker 1: was arrested and the artwork was recovered. If you see
Speaker 1: a guy on a bike with a Rembrandt, stop him, please.
Speaker 1: Eight years later, and that's so, that's August of between
Speaker 1: two and four thieves, depending on the reports that you read,
Speaker 1: entered the Dulache Picture Gallery around noon on a Friday.
Speaker 1: I gotta say these daytime heists are super amazing. To
Speaker 1: me anyway. While one or two of them distracted the
Speaker 1: security guard, the others quickly snatched the pocket sized portrait
Speaker 1: from the wall. It was reported that the painting was
Speaker 1: still not wired the galleries alarm system, and that the
Speaker 1: alarm system was switched on only at night anyway. Police
Speaker 1: said after the incident that the thieves simply had to
Speaker 1: unhook the painting from all and carry it off. Dullach
Speaker 1: curator at the time, John Sharon, called the Rembrand a
Speaker 1: priceless painting. Sharon said quote, it is an extremely well
Speaker 1: known painting. It would be impossible to dispose of it
Speaker 1: on the open market. It's more likely it was taken
Speaker 1: by an art lover for himself or for a collector.
Speaker 1: In this instance, though that wasn't the case. The thieves
Speaker 1: had planned to blackmail the gallery for the return of
Speaker 1: the painting. It's just that they got caught before they
Speaker 1: had a chance to do so. They were apprehended in
Speaker 1: a taxi where the work was wrapped in a pillow case.
Speaker 1: The painting had been removed from its frame, but it
Speaker 1: was not damaged. Chief Inspector Colin Evans reported that at
Speaker 1: the time the men had been under surveillance for days
Speaker 1: after this heist, the gallery spent roughly fifteen dollars on
Speaker 1: extra and upgraded security measures. And I apologize I didn't
Speaker 1: look to see what that was and pounds and then
Speaker 1: it starts with we of some bad news, sir. The
Speaker 1: Rembrandt is gone again. I never want to hear that.
Speaker 1: Those are the words of investigating officer to Giles Waterfield,
Speaker 1: the gallery director. In May of nine, despite a newly
Speaker 1: upgraded security system, the takeaway Rembrandt had been stolen again
Speaker 1: from the Dulach Picture Gallery, this time in a daring
Speaker 1: heist that took the thieves through the gallery skylight. The
Speaker 1: thieves scaled ladders to break into the building, smashing through
Speaker 1: a skylight in the roof to gain access, and then
Speaker 1: a second set of ladders were set in place for
Speaker 1: the robbers to lower themselves into the art gallery. The
Speaker 1: alarm was triggered shortly after one am when the thieves
Speaker 1: used a crowbar to remove the Rembrandt and its frame
Speaker 1: from the wall. Police, it's reported, arrived within three minutes
Speaker 1: of that call. But the Degagne and whoever took it,
Speaker 1: we're gone this time. It took three years for investigators
Speaker 1: to recover the work and then on a tip on
Speaker 1: October eighth, the painting was found in a box on
Speaker 1: a luggage rack in a train station in a British
Speaker 1: Army base in Munster, Germany. No arrests were ever made
Speaker 1: for this Degagne theft. And yes, they left both sets
Speaker 1: of ladders behind for the next pair of thieves to
Speaker 1: come and take the right The museum gets back there painting,
Speaker 1: and they got some ladders, and they got the ladders.
Speaker 1: Finally they get a bonus on something. So since the
Speaker 1: mid eighties you've seen the Degage stay in place, and
Speaker 1: hopefully that's for good. That's a four times same place.
Speaker 1: That's embarrassing. It is a little embarrassing. Yeah, would you
Speaker 1: like some heist hoot? I think I would to get
Speaker 1: over the embarrassment. This one's very fun, I think because
Speaker 1: the thing that I couldn't stop thinking about was not
Speaker 1: all of the thefts on this one. It was the
Speaker 1: fact that the guy in and his BFF wanted to
Speaker 1: have portraits making Alright, I thought so too. And I've
Speaker 1: been saying and anyone who's listening doesn't know this yet,
Speaker 1: but they're about to that. This is to me going
Speaker 1: to the mall. You and your BFF are in the
Speaker 1: photo booth and you're having your picture shy and you're
Speaker 1: having a really good time, and then that particular photo
Speaker 1: keeps getting stolen. Yeah, I mean that's the that's what happens.
Speaker 1: When your portrait is only a little bigger than the
Speaker 1: size of a piece of paper. Does it fit in
Speaker 1: a shirt? It's probably gonna get stolen. So it made
Speaker 1: me think about a drink that would be fun for
Speaker 1: best friends to share. And I'm calling it the BFF.
Speaker 1: And this is an interesting one because it's very cozy.
Speaker 1: It starts with black tea and it's a hot one.
Speaker 1: So I made basically the equivalent of two small cups
Speaker 1: of black tea. I have a curing with the refillable
Speaker 1: cartridge things, so I just it like about the equivalent
Speaker 1: of two tea bags into that and then made a
Speaker 1: thing of black tea. And then to that I added
Speaker 1: an ounce of black spiced rum and an ounce of
Speaker 1: shamboor if you don't have shambour, you can use another
Speaker 1: raspberry liquor. But you want that nice, spicy and that sweet,
Speaker 1: very round flavor that you get from the raspberry. I
Speaker 1: also wanted a splash of demorra a syrup in mine,
Speaker 1: which is like a darker sweet syrup. You can also
Speaker 1: do simple syrup there. Then it becomes a marriage this
Speaker 1: and a little bit of a borrow from an Irish
Speaker 1: coffee because we're going to take a couple ounces of
Speaker 1: heavy whipping cream, put them in a separate container and
Speaker 1: whip it. You can do that by shaking it in
Speaker 1: a shaker. I recently, and let me recommend this to
Speaker 1: everyone on Earth. I recently, very inexpensively got a coffee frother,
Speaker 1: which is kind of like a tiny immersion blender. I
Speaker 1: think I paid fifteen bucks for it. It runs onto
Speaker 1: double a back matteries. They're very inexpensive. And let me
Speaker 1: tell you, the heavy whipping cream game is completely changed
Speaker 1: for me. I didn't know you didn't have one before.
Speaker 1: I would have been like, hey, how to do this?
Speaker 1: It changes a few things. No, I have a bigger one,
Speaker 1: but I don't have a little one that I can
Speaker 1: just do like first small amounts for cocktails or whatever.
Speaker 1: A little one makes a big difference. I added a
Speaker 1: little bit of sweetener to mine. You can do with
Speaker 1: or without. Heavy whipping cream has its own sweetness, so
Speaker 1: It just depends on your taste. And I got that
Speaker 1: very whipped up, and then I just spooned a little
Speaker 1: on top of the tea mixture, and then I sprinkled
Speaker 1: a little bit of brown sugar and coconut sugar on
Speaker 1: top of it, which is also brown. And you serve
Speaker 1: it like that and it looks very beautiful. But if
Speaker 1: you sip it in that state, you're going to get
Speaker 1: mostly the tea and just a little bit of the
Speaker 1: sweetness from the cream. But if you mix it all
Speaker 1: together as you're drinking, you get the warmest, coziest, yummiest,
Speaker 1: creamiest drink. It was very delightful, and it makes enough
Speaker 1: for two people. That's why I call it a drink
Speaker 1: that you can share. It's not a really strong drink
Speaker 1: in terms of alcohol content. So it is again you
Speaker 1: brew about a cup and a half of black tea
Speaker 1: and ounce of black spiced drum and ounce of shambor
Speaker 1: or another raspberry liqueur, a splash of Demora syrup or
Speaker 1: simple syrup, and give that a good stir together. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna shake that either. I did that in a
Speaker 1: glass mixing container, and then you're gonna take about two
Speaker 1: You could even do three ounces of heavy cream and
Speaker 1: whip it with or without sweetener, and then put it
Speaker 1: on top. Sprinkle a little brown sugar or coconut sugar
Speaker 1: on their delicious. You share it with your best friend,
Speaker 1: and that's why we're calling it the BFF. To make
Speaker 1: a non alcoholic version super easy, you're just gonna leave out, obviously,
Speaker 1: that black spiced drum. To make up that flavor gap.
Speaker 1: I would add some spices to the tea, maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit of nutmeg, maybe a little cinnamon, even a
Speaker 1: little cardamom, and then a little raspberry syrup in lieu
Speaker 1: of the liquor. And other than that, you're gonna you're
Speaker 1: all set. You can make it the normal way, and
Speaker 1: it's called BFF and it's meant for two, so you
Speaker 1: could share it with your BFF. The irony there is
Speaker 1: that neither my husband nor my best friend would want
Speaker 1: to drink this drink. My husband doesn't like hot beverages,
Speaker 1: and I don't think my best friend likes tea all
Speaker 1: that much. Bryan said, if I made a cold version,
Speaker 1: he would do into it. So there you go. You
Speaker 1: gotta try it. At least it could be great. Listen.
Speaker 1: I just I picture them drinking warm, yummy beverages and
Speaker 1: telling each other all their secrets and then going, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, we should get our portraits hit me together.
Speaker 1: That's how I think of Yakov the guy in the
Speaker 1: third Yeah, I very much think of Yakov and Maurits
Speaker 1: as that as well. Just oh my gosh, this is
Speaker 1: the best idea. We're going to love it so hopefully
Speaker 1: that delights you, and the story of their friendship makes
Speaker 1: you giggle as much as it does us. We are
Speaker 1: so thankful that you're here with us this week, and
Speaker 1: we will be right back here again next week with
Speaker 1: another story of art theft and another hopefully yummy beverage.
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