1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Quodydas, but Joseph's gotten more. There's a word that is 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: used i'd say infrequently now, but it kind of sums 3 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: up certain things. You know. There are words like that, 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: right that you know, I don't know, your tongue kind 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: of longs to have them back in the lexicon. And 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: this word has been supplanted. But I got to tell 7 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: you the case that I'm going to talk about today, 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: in describing what happened in this case, some journalists, perhaps 9 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: hearing this from a police officer, use this word as 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: a descriptor. Now, I got to tell you, I look 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: at a lot of headlines. Brother Dave does too, and 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: I don't know about him, but for me, I don't 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: see it very often. And the word is savage. Savage, 14 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: And one of the definitions for savage, actually there's kind 15 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: of a couple but not domesticated are under human control. 16 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: And here's the other one, lacking, lacking the restraints normal 17 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: to civilized human beings. Today, we're going to talk about 18 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: a homicide, a homicide involving a woman named Stacy and Powell. 19 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: And the story I'm going to lay on you guys 20 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: is unbelievable because her death, though we could say brutal 21 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: was truly savage. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is 22 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: body backs. I've heard that term over and over throughout 23 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: my life. I used to be a huge reader, not 24 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: so much a reader now read academic stuff all the time. 25 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: I lament that in my life, but I've heard variations 26 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: of it that were beaten savagely. I've actually heard it 27 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: in addressing and talking about baseball players at the at 28 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: at the plate that this guy has like a savage swing, 29 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: or he can just crush the ball savagely. And but 30 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's I don't think that there's another 31 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: word out there that can kind of capture the idea 32 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: I have. I have visions of I guess probably going 33 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: back to that opening shot in UH Space Odyssey two 34 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: thousand and one, you know where you've got the monolith 35 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: there and the bone is thrown up into the air, 36 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: and you know, you've got these beasts that are all 37 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, they suddenly discovered they have tools, you know, 38 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,839 Speaker 1: and they're swinging them about. And I think about that, 39 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: I think about that thing that indwells us, that beast 40 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: that kind of stays tamed nowadays, for some others, it 41 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: presents itself on a regular basis. But I think about that, 42 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: and I think about some of the stuff that I've 43 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: witnessed over the course of my career and day. When 44 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: the police wound up arriving at the scene of this homicide, 45 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: they probably had a wide variety of adjectives they could 46 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: have chosen from, because it is the height, the height 47 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: of inhumanity towards another. 48 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: Person, especially when you're supposed to be involved with this 49 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: person romantically. In the case of Stacy Powell, she's forty 50 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: eight years old, and when she doesn't log into her 51 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: work computer now she obviously works from No not, obviously 52 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: she works from home, and she didn't nobody had heard 53 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: from her in a couple of days, and she hadn't 54 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: logged into her work computer. I work from home, and 55 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: so if I didn't log onto my computer and nobody 56 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: had talked to me for a couple of days, they'd 57 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: probably send police out here to check on me too. 58 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: I can see Jackie, you're doing that right now. Well, no, 59 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: they would call Joe, because I lived closer to Joe 60 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 2: than anyone else. Have you talked today, But in this 61 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: case the police are called. 62 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: Now. 63 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: It was interesting because it was Stacy Powell's work that 64 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: was concerned about her. But something that Plice police basically 65 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: solved this crime in their heads the day they showed 66 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 2: up at the house. All right, police show up and 67 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: there's a handyman at Stacy Powell's house and there police 68 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: are saying, well, where is Stacy Powell and Andrew Ridgeway 69 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: and we're looking for Stacy the idea handyman says, well, 70 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: they're not at home. And while the police are there, 71 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: Andrew Ridgway calls the handyman and they're on the phone. 72 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 2: Because Ridgeway, you know, will a lot of us have 73 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 2: security cameras at our house that we can, you know, 74 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: look at on our phone. And so he saw the 75 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 2: police at their house and went what are they doing there? 76 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: He calls the handyman, Hey, why are the cops there? 77 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 2: And the cops like is that Andrew? Give me the phone, 78 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: Give me the phone, and so he's talking to police. 79 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: Now. 80 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: It is this phone call between Andrew Ridgeway and police 81 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: that solves this crime before they even know they have 82 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: a crime, because something Andrew Ridgeway tells them is that 83 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: Stacy had to leave town in a hurry. Her father 84 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 2: is very very ill in Jamaica, and so she hopped 85 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: an uber and went to the airport. By the way, 86 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: this is in Auburndale, Florida, about halfway between town and Orlando. 87 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: Yeah. 88 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so he said. Andrew Ridgway says, yeah, she 89 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: hopped a plane. She's in Jamaica with her very sick dad. 90 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: And well, where are you, mister Ridgeway. Oh, I'm in 91 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: North Carolina at her mother's, at her grandma's house. Oh no, 92 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: at her mother's house. Like, okay, so you're out of town. 93 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 2: She's out of town. 94 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: Hmmm. 95 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: Well odd that her company would call us and say 96 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: we haven't been able to get in touch with her. 97 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: If all she did was have to leave to take 98 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: care of a relative, right and. 99 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: Go out of the country and take care of a relative. 100 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: Exactly, So police already know. Well, they also know something else, Joe, 101 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: because well, Andrew Ridgeway says that her dad, Stacy's dad 102 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 2: is very very sick, and that's why she had to 103 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: leave day before yesterday. And I'm up here at her 104 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 2: mom's I'm convincing her mom to go to Jamaica to 105 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: be by his side. That's how bad. This is Dad 106 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: is so sick. But see what Andrew Ridgeway doesn't know 107 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: is that the reason the police are there isn't just 108 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 2: because her work called. Her dad called and said I 109 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: can't get up with my daughter and I haven't talked 110 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: to her in a couple of days and her work 111 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: can't find her. We don't mind going and checking on 112 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: my daughter. And he was right there in town. 113 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: Can I insert one word here? 114 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: Please do? 115 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: Oops? 116 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: Yep, big oops. Police don't let on right away. They 117 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: don't tell him that they talked to the handyman, and 118 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: the handyman says, well, I'm only here to get some 119 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: of my stuff because I was here a couple of 120 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: days ago working on some kitchen cabinets. I got called yesterday. 121 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: He says, you can't come back in the house. We've 122 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: got something else going on, and he goes, I got 123 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: tools locked in there. I just want to get my stuff. 124 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: I want to get my stuff and leave. So we 125 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: got a problem here. Police are going to solve that problem. 126 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan. And when the police go inside the 127 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: house after they get a warrant, you know that, yeah, okay, 128 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: because at this point they've got way more information than 129 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: they need to go ahead and get a warrant to 130 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: go inside the house. Because the handyman says he's left 131 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,239 Speaker 2: tools and there came to retrieve him, and Andrew Ridgeway, 132 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: you know, says no, you can't go inside the house. 133 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: They know what Andrew Bridgeway is saying is a total lie. 134 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: They know everything out of Andrew Ridgeway's mouth is a lie. 135 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: The one person they can't talk to is Stacy. And 136 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: police get the search warrant, they go in the house. Now, 137 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: justin Scott Morgan, you already use the word savage. 138 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: You need to. 139 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: Tell us what police found when they went inside the house. 140 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: I tried to get an eyeball on it. I tried 141 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: to get an idea of it. I've looked at the 142 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: layout of the house, you know, and the neighborhood. I've 143 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: looked at all those things, and even now I still 144 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: have trouble identifying what police walked into when they went 145 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 2: inside that house. 146 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: Well, you know, this this all stems and you know 147 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: are uh, you know, we always have one of these, 148 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: you know, welfare check things that come right. And if 149 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: I could address this first, I really wonder And here's 150 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: kind of a conundrum I think for the police, and 151 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: this is always a decision they they have to make 152 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: because if they're doing a welfare check and in the 153 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: back of their mind they're thinking we're being lied to. 154 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: I really wonder and I don't necessarily have the answer 155 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: this question. If they think that this is so pressing 156 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: and she might be alive, okay, I wonder how much 157 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: trouble or how much how much could be excluded if 158 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: they just burst through the door looking for her, you know, 159 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: crying out Stacy, Stacy, Stacy, Police are you here, Stacy? 160 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: And they're making their way through the house looking for her. 161 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: The you know, the one thing that the law states 162 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: is that without a warrant, you can't look and what 163 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: is referred to and people need to understand this. You 164 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: can't look in hidden places. So if you've got like, 165 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: let's just say you've got a closed closet door, all right, 166 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: you can't go and open that door, all right, because 167 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: you would need you don't have reason to believe that 168 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: there is something on the other side of that door. 169 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: You're merely doing a public safety check at this point 170 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: in time, and also an individual safety like an assessment. 171 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: But you know, here's the interesting thing. When you go 172 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: into a residence and you bear witness to something like 173 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: they saw, and I'll tell you what they saw. They 174 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: saw a copious amount of blood, you know before and 175 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and kind of put this in here. 176 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: Before they ever found her, they knew something something was 177 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: afoot And you know, I've often wondered because I've dave. 178 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 1: I've literally sat out outside of homes as an m 179 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: E investigator for hours waiting for the detective to get 180 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: a warrant by written up by either the magistry or 181 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: the judge that's on callow And yeah, yeah, I remember. 182 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: Hold one minute, you're a medical examiner. You're with the 183 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: Emmy's office. Yeah, and you're having to sit outside of 184 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: a home for paperwork, you know, to let you go 185 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: in there to do what you know is already there. 186 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: If you like that one, I got one even better 187 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: than curiously. In Atlanta, I had a I had a 188 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: case where a person had come into the house and 189 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: shot a guy and we're trying to shoot another one 190 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: hit this guy, the victim, and he was lying across 191 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: the threshold of the front door. Wow, And here's the 192 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: real rub in the living room there's a plaster wall. 193 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: It's a really old house, so you've got like strip 194 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: laugh plaster, that's not really hard. This guy had used 195 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: an automatic weapon and he had literally put bullet defects 196 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: all through the wall. Gets better. We had to wait 197 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: for the warrant. Now, don't explain to me, don't try 198 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: to even figure this out. It's the nuttiness of Atlanta 199 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: back then. When we finally got into the house, Dave, 200 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: there was a couple on the other side of that wall, 201 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: occupying that same domicile. They were in bed watching Lino. 202 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, and they never got up out of bed. Wow, 203 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: And so uniform. It said to me that uniform never 204 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: went through the house and you know, did what's referred 205 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: to as clearing the house. Yeah. Problem. Wow, that's a problem. 206 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: And the guy's body was visible. But we couldn't make 207 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: entrance until they had this warrant in hand. We knew 208 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: there was a dead guy there. Maybe that's what kind 209 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: of paused the patrol officer. We got it, but they 210 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: didn't go through the rest of the house and see 211 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: if there was anybody else in there, and there were 212 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: two people alive. I'll never forget this. I was dumb 213 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: founded that night. I'll never And it was freezing cold outside, 214 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: even by Atlanta, you know, it was freezing you know, 215 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: I say freezing cold. You know my friends in Milwaukee, 216 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: I'll say, yeah, you know, or New York, you know, 217 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: but yeah, it was cold. It was like in the 218 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: twenties that night. Yeah, just standing out there, just freezing. Wow. 219 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: So when you get when they make their way once 220 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: they have the warrant and they finally find Stacy's remains, 221 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: let me put it to you this way, whoever had 222 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: done this to her beat her to the point that 223 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: she was in fact unrecognizable. As a matter of fact, 224 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: that wasn't all that was done to Stay. I don't 225 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: know that I've ever shared this with you, Dave. Did 226 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: you know the first homicide that I ever had any 227 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: contact with in my role working as a medical legal 228 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: death investigator and an autopsy assistant was a beating death. 229 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 2: No, I didn't not that. 230 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was in South Louisiana, and it was 231 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: a fellow who had actually beaten his own brother to 232 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: death in the front yard of their home with a 233 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: wooden Louisville slugger. And the guy had had raccoon eyes 234 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: which are you know, indication of as called a basiler 235 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: skull fracture, which means the interior of a skull. The floor 236 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: of the skull was fractured to the point where his 237 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: head was so swollen. His eyes were not protruding, but 238 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: the surface around his eyes were all blackened. And I 239 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: remember looking at that guy, Dave, and thinking, if this, 240 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: if this body was found like out on the side 241 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: of the road, Okay, save having a licensed driver's license 242 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: on this person, there's no way you could identify. Oh wow, 243 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: And Dave, you know, relative to Stacy's case, even though 244 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: she's domiciled there, you know, we can't. We can't go 245 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: merely on well she lives there, right, Okay? Have ever 246 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: told you about the three levels of identification? Have I 247 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: ever mentioned that to you? Do you recall that there 248 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: are actually three levels to human identification. There is positive identification, 249 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: which is generally which is generally verified, is scientifically verified 250 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: like DNA fingerprints, odentology, you know where we're doing the 251 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: teeth and all that, And you have unidentified, which there's 252 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: a high probability you're never going to get this person identified. Wow, 253 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: most of the time it's going to be skulls remains, 254 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: and even I have seen fresh dead Dave. I've actually 255 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: worked a case in Atlanta where we had a guy 256 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: I didn't actually I wouldn't the lead investigator on it, 257 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: but we had a guide that was wearing a pair 258 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: of Chino pants, an ISID polo, a pair of deck shoes, 259 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: and was in the you'll know exactly what it is. 260 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: He was in the area around Chastain Park in Atlanta, 261 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: which is kind of a kind of an uppity area, 262 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, and this guy was dressed like a classic 263 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: pet preppy, you know, like somebody you'd see that would 264 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: be walking across campus at Duke University or something. And 265 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: he had hung himself in an oak tree, and you 266 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: know that he never figured out who the guy was. 267 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: I just assumed there'd be a BMW park and they 268 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: never never figured out who that guy was. So that's unidentified. 269 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: But we also have a level of identification that sits 270 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: right in that murky center. That's called presumptive identification, and 271 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: we try to get away from that, and presumptive means 272 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: that an individual might actually be in their house, may 273 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: have been there. She kind of fits the description. We know, 274 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: she's a white female might fit this age group, but 275 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: you can't identify her face. I actually had a lady 276 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: that worked for the bus line in Atlanta, Marta and 277 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: she had been a driver and she was down for 278 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: I think it was two or three months. And I'm 279 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: sorry to tell you this because this is really grotesque 280 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: and over talk, but she lived with her dogs, and 281 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: her dogs ate the entire upper half of her torso wow. 282 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: And she had no living relatives living, and her fingers 283 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: were all gone, and she was the house was locked 284 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: from the inside. It was a horrible case. But that's 285 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: a presumptive id Okay, just you know, kind of wrapped 286 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: your mind based on what. 287 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: We know about this person and where they live, and. 288 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and it's a asumptive idea. 289 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you. 290 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: But in Stacy's case, they knew that this was probably 291 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: her obvious and I know that's really obvious. But I 292 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: think that folks want to try to understand, you know, 293 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: what is it that we do, you know, relative to 294 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: identification of an individual when you know you might have 295 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: someone that perpetrates a crime, and obviously this is a crime. 296 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: What's your what's your motivation here? You know? What is 297 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, like an actor, you know, what's 298 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: my motivation? What is their motivation? What's their end game? Here? 299 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: Are they doing this in order to try to disrupt, 300 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: disrupt our ability to identify the body? Wow? Or is 301 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: this something else? Is this something like if it can 302 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: get darker, like really dark, like, I'm going to abuse 303 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: this person to the point where they're unrecognizable the old. 304 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: If I can't have you, no one else can have you. 305 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to destroy you, even in death. Dave. 306 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 2: That's I was when you were talking about that and thinking, Okay, 307 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 2: what if you know, if somebody wanted to and the 308 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 2: reason you have to positively identify is because that presumptive 309 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: thing of well, okay, she fits the age, she fits that, 310 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 2: she's a Caucasian female, right age group. What we can 311 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 2: what's left of her hair looks like. But what if 312 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: this guy took out an insurance policy and he finds 313 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: a he goes to the you know, gets the most 314 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: recent body he can find, you know, or he kills 315 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 2: some bomb bring and stages it to make it look 316 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: like it was her, but it's not. They're really going 317 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 2: to retire on the insurance money to Jamaica. 318 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: Okay, Dude, we covered a case like this not too 319 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: long ago, author and you remember the case and with 320 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: the politician in Mississippi where he hits some guy and 321 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: put him in the car and what do you do? 322 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: He burned the car. I recommend anybody go and forgive me, 323 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of it off the top 324 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: of my head. I recommend anybody out there go and 325 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: listen to that. If you if you think that's all Hollywood, 326 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: it ain't. I mean, people do this sort of thing now, 327 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: you know with her, I think that there's that level 328 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: of kind of planning is not part of this because Dave, 329 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: this is this is a thing that's couched in domesticity. 330 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: I guess is that the term you know, it's like 331 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: a domestic kind of kind of thing. You've got deception. 332 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: You already know that that what's going on here is deceptive. 333 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: But Dave, you know when they were able to finally 334 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: remove Stacy from that location and take her take her 335 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: to you know, Florida has in case you don't know this, 336 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: Florida is broken down into medical examine or districts, and 337 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: they're all emmimorted. Well, it means that for your district 338 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: and let's say over in that central part of Florida. 339 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: And forgive me, I can't remember the numbers. But anybody 340 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: that's an EMMY investigator out there that's listening to this, 341 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: and I have several by the way, hey, guys that 342 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: there are. It's kind of regionalized, and so you have 343 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: a forensic pathologist or maybe a couple, depend upon how 344 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: busy that district is that works specifically for that area, 345 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,479 Speaker 1: and it might be a multi county area, okay, And 346 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: so they would have been taken this Stacey's body would 347 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,239 Speaker 1: have been taken to that emmy's office. But you know, 348 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: first off, when and I really wonder if this was 349 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: like something that the perpetrator had not completed yet, because Dave, 350 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: didn't you say that when they found her she was 351 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: actually wrapped in plastic? 352 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: I think yeah. And by the way, I will link 353 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: the story you were just talking about a minute ago. 354 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 2: Is the nineteen eighty three car fire death, charred remains, 355 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: buried victim found alive, who's in the grave. That's the 356 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 2: story we did during the holidays, and it is now 357 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: linked right here. As you listen to this, go to 358 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 2: the you know where we have the description of the episode, 359 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 2: and I put it right there all right now. In 360 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 2: this case with Stacy, when they go in and find 361 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 2: her body, as Joe's mentioned, could not recognize her. And 362 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 2: I guess the part that really gets me is that 363 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 2: she was deceased obviously, but she was covered in quote 364 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: plastic and moving blankets. And I want to add something else, Joe. 365 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: Remember the handyman who was on scene. When police arrive, 366 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 2: he tells them that, well, I was film by the way, yeah, 367 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: I was not allowed to go in there, you know. 368 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 2: So police are actually able to identify about when this 369 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 2: took place because the handyman left fools behind and was 370 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: told you can't go in there. Something else is going on, 371 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: and so he wants his tools back but can't get there, 372 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: can't get in to get them. Okay, So it really 373 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: is one of these situations, Joe, where police were able 374 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: to find out enough information in the space of a 375 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: very short period of time. And by the way, in 376 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: the first segment, I was talking about how Andrew Ridgway 377 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: claimed told police that he was in North Carolina talking 378 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 2: to Stacy's mother. He was talking to Stacy's grandmother in 379 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: his story. Okay, that's the thing you got to remember 380 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 2: that he's making this whole story up when it's just 381 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 2: none of it's true. And they already know this when 382 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 2: police are there. So police know that as Ridgeway is 383 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: spinning this story that he thinks makes sense, they already 384 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: know they're going to find Stacy in a very bad 385 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 2: way if she's still alive. And I'm guessing once they 386 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: see the blood, they know not looking for a living soul. Now, 387 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 2: we're going to solve a murder. But they do find 388 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 2: her face had sustained so much blunt force trauma and 389 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 2: this is the direct quote from the police report that 390 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 2: it was quote distorted and unable to identify positively. Yeah, 391 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: and her blood had her body had several gunshot wounds 392 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: and lacerations. So, Joe, she is beaten so you can't 393 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 2: recognize her. 394 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's been. 395 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: Shot several times now lacerations. Please explain to me are 396 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: we talking knife, gun and baseball bat? 397 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: That, my friend, is a fantastic question. It's like we're 398 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: simpatico today. We're like an old Mary couple. We finish 399 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: each other's sentences now. But yeah, I got I got 400 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: to tell you, brother, I'm not making light of it. 401 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: But one of the things I'm curious about with this 402 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: case because you know, you can generate lacerations on a 403 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: body with any number. It's lacerations are not cuts, all right, 404 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: They're not They're not sharp force injuries. And I've preached this, 405 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: I'll continue to preach it. They are not sharp force injuries. 406 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: Lacerations result from blunt force trauma. You know. One of 407 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: the things I was saying about Dave one stop shopping here. 408 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if she was not pistol whipped. Wow. And 409 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: so we know that we have multiple non millimeter casinges 410 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: at the scene and she has been shot multiple times. 411 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: If and I'll go back to that word savage. If 412 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: if you have ever and I mean you all of 413 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: our friends out there, if you've ever seen an image 414 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: of somebody that has been pistol whipped. Uh, and you 415 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: hear that term a lot those if you look at 416 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: a pistol, Okay, and let me give you a good 417 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: one to go to. Uh, there's a there's a sidearm 418 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: that our military used to carry for years years. We 419 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: no longer carry anymore, but it was I think it's 420 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: the Barretta. I'm going to get this right. We called 421 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: it the M one, but I think it's actually a Barretta. 422 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: Is it a ninety two? I think, and it's it's 423 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: got a slide semi automatic fires. It's a double stack magazine. 424 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: I think the capacity is either eighteen or nineteen. They're 425 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: always black, not always, but the military issue are black 426 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: blue steel rather. And if you look at the same 427 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: dave the leading like the site on the end of 428 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: the pistol itself is it kind of comes to like 429 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: a little pyramid shape at the top. Okay, it's got 430 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 1: a very definitive edge, and also the edges between the slide, 431 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: that thing that moves back and forth on the body 432 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: of the weapon, it's got definitive edges. Now, if you 433 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: go back to where the external and singh has what's 434 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: referred to as an external hammer. I've seen them that 435 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: are like a little finger sticking out, and I've seen 436 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: other ones that are kind of rolled. They have kind 437 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: of a circle shape to them, but they have texture 438 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: so that when your thumb touches it, if you want 439 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: to engage the thing or cock the weapon, even if 440 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: your fingers are wet, it's textured underneath it, so you 441 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: can actually take your thumb and it's not going to slip. 442 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: You can pull it back until the hammer itself is clicked. 443 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: All right. That means you're ready to rock and roll. 444 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: All right, you can pull the trigger and thing that's 445 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: going to discharge anyway. What many people will do with 446 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: pistol whipping Dave is that they will not hold hold 447 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: the pistol by the pistol grip. They'll actually take this 448 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: weapon and hold it by the barrel housing, so that 449 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: when they're striking an individual, they are coming down with 450 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: the external hand hammer and also the pistol grip itself, 451 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: which in and of itself is textured. It's got kind 452 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: of a it's not ornate, that's not what I'm trying 453 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: to say. But the way these things are forged, there's 454 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: a very they are very definitive margins to the think 455 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: and very sharp edges. So when you strike, you're going 456 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,719 Speaker 1: to get these really odd looking lacerations. Many of them 457 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: will be like at right angles. You'll have some that 458 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: are they look like literally look like puncture wounds, because 459 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: if you take like that, you know how it's talking 460 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: about the hammer, you know, it's kind of curved like that. 461 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: If you strike down with that hammer, the external hammer. Okay, 462 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 1: not the internal what we think about the firing pin 463 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: and all this sort of stuff. Well, you have internal hammers, 464 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: but the external hammer you strike down it almost looks 465 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: like somebody has taken a whole punch and like driven 466 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: it into the body. And then they'll be like an 467 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: abraided area too, because that skin is literally the friction 468 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: of this is creating an abrasion, not to mention a 469 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: point of impact that creates a defect in the skin. 470 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: And as if we are to believe what we're hearing, 471 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: and I have no doubt that this is probably the case, 472 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: she will have been a bloody mess. So every time 473 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: you take a pistol and I'm not saying it was 474 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: a pistol that was used. It could have been feed, 475 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: it could have been hands. But you take this pistol 476 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: and it's driven into the skin over and over again. 477 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: Well every time you do that, you're actually getting tissue 478 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: and blood on the surface of this thing. Okay, so 479 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: you'll have cast off on the ceilings, You'll have the 480 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: person because blood is so slippery, the surface of this 481 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: weapon is being just literally painted in the person's blood. 482 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: And guess what they might have to the perpetrator might 483 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: have to regrip this weapon. You think about if you 484 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: think about how slick a surface is, if you've ever 485 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: had oil on like stainless steel before, it's really hard 486 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: to kind of hold on to. Now, blood does have 487 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: a certain tackiness to it, but in that state, when 488 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: it's fresh like that, you can have you can have 489 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: it where you'll have to regrip it and reposition it. 490 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: Here's one more kind of chilling piece of this. And 491 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: I know that you're you were you were interested. We 492 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: talked off air about this, and I'll let you kind 493 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: of pose this question to me if you wish, so 494 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: people can understand there were not just bullet defects in 495 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: her body, Dave, there were bullet defects in the wall. Correct. 496 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: And that's what I was curious about. And the reason 497 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: I asked you that was, Okay, we've got we have 498 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: a body that has been beaten so bad her face 499 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 2: is unrecognizable. Yeah, and yeah, you've got bullet holes. She's 500 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: been shot multiple times, and yet there are bullet holes 501 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: in the wall. And I say, Joe, is it possible 502 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 2: that the bullet holes in the wall were caused by 503 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: a bullet going through her and landing in the wall. 504 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 2: We know we've got shell casings, and we know we 505 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 2: actually have the beginnings of a cover up with plastic 506 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 2: and moving blankets around her body. I don't know what 507 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 2: the plan was here. I think there was a plan 508 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 2: at some point to take her body and do something 509 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 2: with it. But I'm just curious as to have you 510 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 2: ever been at a scene like this where you have 511 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 2: a dead person who has been shot but they've also 512 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 2: been beaten. And I guess I'm just sitting here thinking 513 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: this is such overkilled that the beating happened. Based on 514 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 2: the fact that there's bullets in the wall, I'm thinking 515 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 2: he was that she was trying to run for her 516 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 2: life and he missed. Okay, That's what I'm thinking. And 517 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 2: yet did he shoot her in them beater? Can you 518 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: determine that if the shot, if the bullet came. 519 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: No, you really can't. That excellent question. Here's the problem. 520 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: I think that most people believe that once you're shot, 521 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: you're dead. That ain't the case, because you know, it's 522 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: not like in the movies where and yeah, there are 523 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: certain shots and you can see them all over the 524 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: internet where people take individuals out and they drop immediately. 525 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: But you have to admit there are other things that 526 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,959 Speaker 1: you can see out there where people are shot and 527 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: they're they're kind of uh, they're rolling about and excruciating pain, 528 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: and they're alive. Here's one thing that that kind of 529 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: bolsters this idea of of maybe the weapon being used 530 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: as a bludgeon. I'm wondering if there wasn't. And I 531 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: love this word. I've been trying to use it more 532 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: and more when it comes to these cases. I really 533 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: wonder if there was not some kind of menacing going 534 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: on as well. Oh wow, where you've got literally you 535 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: imagine you're this woman, you're forty eight years old, maybe 536 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: you've never been around weapons, maybe you never fired a weapon. 537 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: And here you got an individual that obviously has a 538 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: lot of anger at you. And he can literally call 539 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: down I say literally a lot, and that's not accurate. 540 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: He can well, let's just say he can figuratively call 541 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: down the thunder. Okay, And what I mean by that 542 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: the report of a weapon inside of a closed space 543 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: like a house. Think about that. Maybe he's not shooting 544 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: at her, but he is aware where she is. He's 545 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: taking the weapon and firing it into a wall. I've 546 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: actually seen that happen. Here's another thing. If someone is shot, 547 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: and we call these these gunshot wounds through and through 548 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: gunshot wounds where they will strike another target. So the body, 549 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: when the body is being shot, the body is actually 550 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: what's referred to as an intermediate target. So what that 551 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: means is that the round depend upon the type of ammunition, 552 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 1: the range of fire, the body might not stop around okay, 553 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: and it will pass through and if there's another if 554 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: there's a wall there, it'll hit the wall. But you 555 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: know what those when that happens, the bullet is actually 556 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: the trajectory is all off at this point in time. 557 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: And you also might have some deformation in the round, 558 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: so you will get these odd looking kind of if 559 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: you will entrance defects into the wall where it might 560 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: be the round may have struck the wall when it's 561 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: in the round can be and I've seen this happen. 562 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: The round can be in a vertical attitude when it strikes, 563 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: when it strikes the wall, so the defect from the 564 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: bullet will look almost linear. You can also get bullets 565 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: that are so deformed that the defect in the wall 566 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: and a lot of this depends upon the surface of 567 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 1: the wall, Like I mentioned strip last plaster earlier, which 568 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: is very very hard as opposed to just kind of 569 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: some kind of gypsum sheet rock or say wood paneling. 570 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: The surface is going to dictate that a lot as well, 571 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: and it will look deformed. The bullet will look deformed. 572 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: But I can tell you this, it's not like this 573 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: was some kind of passive event, because who in fact 574 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:45,359 Speaker 1: did kill Stacy wanted to send a message, maybe if 575 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: it was only in those last few moments as life 576 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,479 Speaker 1: slipped away from her and she died there in her home. 577 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 1: You know, Dave, I don't like the NBA too much, 578 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: but I do like I know you do, at least 579 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: in your past. I really enjoyed college basketball. There's just 580 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: something about it. I really enjoy it. And I've attended 581 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: games for years now at jack State. And have you 582 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: ever noticed how like there are just certain point margins 583 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: people can't get beyond, and you kind of see the 584 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: team just kind of drop off at the end, and 585 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: it's almost like they say, it's over with. I don't 586 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 1: have any there's nothing left in the tank here. There's 587 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: no way I'm going to catch up with this deficit. 588 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that I'm healthy at 589 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: the end of this game so I can play the 590 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: next game. You know what I'm saying. 591 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 2: I have to tell you something, Joe. Yeah, yes, I understand, 592 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 2: But you house, I have to remember that I went 593 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 2: to North Carolina State and in nineteen eighty three team 594 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 2: he came called the Cardiac Pack because they came back 595 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 2: on so many games with less than seven minutes to go, 596 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 2: so they were behind in every game. 597 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: You know, teams in history in history. So in Stacey's case, Dave, 598 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: we have I think at least a situation like this 599 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 1: where this I'm not I refused to call him a man, 600 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: this person that has perpetrated this or allegedly perpetrated it. 601 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: I think he had to call what was referred to 602 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,919 Speaker 1: as no joy. He just he had to say, I'm 603 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: at my end, Dave. The evidence in this case and 604 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,879 Speaker 1: the level of deception here is almost beyond I think 605 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: explanation to a great degree. What say you my friend? Okay? 606 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 2: As we started digging into it, I looked for a 607 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 2: track record. Have police been called out of the house before? 608 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,439 Speaker 2: Is this a home where domestic violence takes place? How 609 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 2: long did they date? Well, you're talking about a couple 610 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 2: that in their late mid to late forties. Okay, they've 611 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: only been dating two or three years, talking about forty 612 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 2: eight years old, and you've been seeing somebody for a 613 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 2: couple of years, all right. No record of police being 614 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 2: called out there for domestic violence. And the first sign 615 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 2: of trouble is when she doesn't log onto her computer 616 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 2: for a couple of days. And so I'm looking through 617 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 2: this and February fourth is the last time she was 618 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 2: on her computer. Police are called, you know, on February sixth. 619 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 2: They're out there, and they believe she was killed the 620 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: evening of the fourth because the story that they got 621 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 2: from Andrew Ridgeway was that on February fifth, she caught 622 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 2: an uber and went to Orlando to the airport and 623 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,760 Speaker 2: took a flight to Jamaica to see her very sick father. 624 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,399 Speaker 2: And Ridgeway tells cops, hey, I'm in North Carolina right now. Now, 625 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 2: I'm with her grandma, trying to convince granny to go 626 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 2: from North Carolina to Jamaica to visit as well. All 627 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 2: the while Ridgeway is sitting right there in Auburndale. Her 628 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 2: dad is not in Jamaica and is not ill, because 629 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 2: he also called the police that I have no get 630 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 2: with my daughter for the last couple of days. So 631 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 2: everything out of Ridgeway's mouth is a lie. But it's 632 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 2: like whatever had been going on before February fourth, Joseph 633 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 2: Scott Morgan, no one was aware of what kind of 634 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 2: world was were they living in. You know, there were 635 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 2: no telltale signs. There were no neighbors to come out 636 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 2: and say, yeah, they were always fighting. There are no 637 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 2: reports of police being at the address, and yet we 638 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 2: have one of the most violent, despicable, as you've said, 639 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 2: savage beatings ever and with no lead up, just out 640 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 2: of nowhere, just out of the blue. 641 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, certain certain these things, and you know 642 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: when you talk to particularly I'm not talking about detectives here, 643 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: my friends. I'm talking about beat officers. Guys that have 644 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 1: their nose right down in it every single day if 645 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: you're if you're in God bless them. I mean the 646 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: stuff that they have to do. You know, on patrol. 647 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 1: These guys that have a specific zone or precinct or 648 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: beat as it's referred to that they work, do they 649 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: know everything about everybody most of the time, or at 650 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: least it used to be that way. You know, in 651 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 1: certain neighborhoods. The biggest thing, Dave, is that, other than 652 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: false alarms at businesses, one of the number one things 653 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: that cops are going to roll on is going to 654 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: be domestic disturbances right now. It just might be somebody 655 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: shouting in the front yard, or a lady is sitting 656 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 1: on the curb and she's crying and somebody comes up 657 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 1: and says, why are you crying? Me and my husband 658 00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: got in a fight, and the next thing you know, 659 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: the cops rolling up. 660 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 2: I got a quick question for you. 661 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. 662 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 2: One of the things that was said by the chief 663 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 2: of police was that and he made a very big 664 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 2: point of this. There were three crime scene technicians sent 665 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 2: to the scene, not one, not two, but three crime 666 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 2: scene technicians for one body. Is that a remarkable amount 667 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 2: of people to be used for one crime scene life. 668 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: It is, and I think that they were not all 669 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 1: from the same jurisdiction if I remember correctly. And what 670 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: that means is that you have a I'll put it 671 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: to you this way. You have a labor intensive event 672 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: in a place that was absent of any known violence 673 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: prior to this. I think that it's rather to say 674 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: that This is shocking as an understatement, and it's doing 675 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: a disservice, But you know, house are you going to 676 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: describe it? And when they walk in and we keep 677 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: getting that kind of flavor from this day with the 678 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: reports that have come out about this, they can't take 679 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: the measure of it when they get in there, or 680 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: they can and they hate to admit that they're having 681 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,280 Speaker 1: to take the measure because there was so much blood 682 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: and so much evidence. I mean, let's just look at it. 683 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: You've got a distribution of blood that's going to be 684 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: associated not just with her stacy perhaps being drug along 685 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,320 Speaker 1: the floor. You know, if she's got massive head trauma 686 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: and you're trying to facilitate getting her wrapped up, you 687 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: have to position the body so that you can do this, 688 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,240 Speaker 1: and so you'll see, you know, like with if somebody's 689 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: being drugged by their ankles and their head is bloody, 690 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 1: it looks like somebody has drug a dirty mop across 691 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: a rather clean floor, only in this case it would 692 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: be blood saturated hair. You've got a trail leading there, 693 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: and then you've got dynamic blood deposition on various surfaces 694 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 1: as well, which also leads me to think about the 695 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: perpetrator because of the level of violence, day would have 696 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:07,839 Speaker 1: been just saturated, I think at least, and then you 697 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,760 Speaker 1: have all of the ballistic evidence that's out there. So yeah, 698 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 1: this is my suspicion is is that I don't know 699 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 1: that each individual crimsinge tech and you have three is 700 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: a lot. Each individual crimsing tech would have been working 701 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:31,280 Speaker 1: individual rooms. They may have had them assisting one another, 702 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: like and you can have this. You can have a 703 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: person that works as a scribe, that is a person 704 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 1: actually writes, because no, I got to tell you, I 705 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,240 Speaker 1: left the idea of using this is the biggest mistake 706 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,400 Speaker 1: I ever made was to ever try to use a tape, 707 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: a handheld tape recorder recording device at a crime scene 708 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: you see in movies. Yeah, you've got too much ancillary 709 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 1: noise behind you. Conversations can be overheard and you know 710 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,760 Speaker 1: that tape. If you record something like that, that's evidence 711 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: that is it mssible. You have to turn that over 712 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: to the pole. Yeah, you have to turn your notebook 713 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,359 Speaker 1: over to the prosecutor and the defense. So you get 714 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that's picked up in background noise. 715 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,319 Speaker 1: So generally you'll have somebody that scribes for you if 716 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: your hands are dirty, if you're doing fingerprinting or anything 717 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: like that, and then you might have an additional person 718 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: that's going to do handle all the photography. But Dave, 719 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: they were out there. Here's the thing, though, according to 720 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 1: what the chief had said, they were out there for hours. Hours. 721 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: They're out there working the scene. That's how detailed this was, 722 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,359 Speaker 1: and they knew that, and just innately you know this. 723 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: You know that the level of violence here is not 724 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: a one off moment where you have somebody that just 725 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 1: comes into a house at random, it's trying to steal something, 726 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: and they hang around long enough to beat this person 727 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: and literally literally the medical examiner in this case said 728 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: that she was unreckocked regnizable, which most of the time 729 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,400 Speaker 1: we do not rely any longer, and if you do it, 730 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: you do it at your own peril. Rely on visual 731 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 1: ID that's just not something that we do. A driver's 732 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 1: license is a good starting spot, but it's not. It's 733 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: not the gospel truth, so you can't be totally. But 734 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: they were even in that state. She was so bad 735 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: at the scene and so bad at the m's office 736 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 1: that she's not viewable or at least that's not something 737 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: that you can use, you know, the old idea of 738 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: some morose looking you know, lab tech that's pulling back 739 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,840 Speaker 1: a sheet and say, is this your your daughter, your sister, 740 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,359 Speaker 1: your loved one of your friend. Those days have kind 741 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: of gone on the way the Dodo bird h They 742 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 1: had to they had to utilize some kind of sound 743 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,359 Speaker 1: and they never verified. They had to use some kind 744 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,719 Speaker 1: of scientific methodology to get her positively identified. I guess 745 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: they could turn around DNA. You know, you've already said 746 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,919 Speaker 1: quite rightly that her dad is still around, right, Yeah, 747 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 1: So did they do DNA you know on her her 748 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: mom is still around. Did they do DNA comparison with 749 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 1: that which is buckle MW Coastal swabs? Or does she 750 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: have a fingerprint card somewhere? I don't know if she's 751 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,279 Speaker 1: ever been hooked up or did she have a fingerprint 752 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,399 Speaker 1: card for this business? You know, lots of times when 753 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: you work for somebody you have to be fingerprinted. Wow, 754 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: hard to know, but I know this that very very quickly, 755 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: Andrew Ridgeway's story fell apart, like you said from the beginning, 756 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and they do wind up charging him, Dave. 757 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 2: They done the scene, Joe on the scene, They knew. 758 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,880 Speaker 2: They knew the minute he called the handyman, why are 759 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 2: the police there? Yeah, hey, give me that phone. You know, 760 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 2: from the minute police first talked to him, they knew 761 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 2: he was lying because they already knew that dad, her 762 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 2: dad was in North Carolina and had called police, you know, 763 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 2: so they knew from the very first conversation they had 764 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,400 Speaker 2: with Ridgeway that he was lying. So they knew this 765 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,279 Speaker 2: just got up, and so he was actually hooked up 766 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 2: pretty quick. They had a press conference the day after 767 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 2: on the they're out there on the sixth and find 768 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 2: all of everything, and they get the search warrant, they 769 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 2: go in the house, They call a press conference on 770 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,960 Speaker 2: the seventh, and you know, announced he's been arrested Ridgeway. 771 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 2: I mean, and they spent the last eleven months putting 772 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 2: this whole case together because just because something seems obvious, 773 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 2: it's not. And I'm glad that they do the work. 774 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,360 Speaker 2: I hate that they have to, but I'm glad that 775 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:38,280 Speaker 2: it's done this way and we actually being the people, 776 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,000 Speaker 2: because it's always the state versus somebody that's you know, 777 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:49,280 Speaker 2: And when Andrew Ridgeway was actually forced to admit what happened, 778 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 2: I still don't know if we know a motive. We 779 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 2: don't know a lot of things except what he did 780 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 2: to Stacy was beyond. 781 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,359 Speaker 1: Savage. Yeah, and I think that he came to he 782 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,439 Speaker 1: came to a moment of clarity, you know, because initially Dave, 783 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,840 Speaker 1: when this happened back in February of twenty twenty five, 784 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,439 Speaker 1: which we're just shy of a year right now, he said, 785 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm not guilty. Oh yeah. But you know, here's the 786 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: thing about it is that he he withdrew Dave. He 787 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,879 Speaker 1: withdrew that not guilty plea. And I'm happy to say 788 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,759 Speaker 1: that on January the ninth, twenty twenty six, less than 789 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 1: a year later, he admitted. He admitted that he couldn't compete. 790 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 1: He pled no contest to second degree murder and also 791 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:52,799 Speaker 1: to tampering and fabricating physical evidence. Of course, he was 792 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: adjudicated guilty and at least, perhaps hopefully for the next 793 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 1: thirty five years, he will spend that time in the 794 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 1: Florida State Penitentiary. Now, whether or not he actually does, 795 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,680 Speaker 1: we'll see how that turns out. But for now we 796 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: know that he is off the street. But we also 797 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:21,319 Speaker 1: know that Staceyan Powell's family is absent, someone that they'd 798 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,560 Speaker 1: love dearly and for what. We have no idea other 799 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:32,680 Speaker 1: than someone just acted like a savage. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, 800 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,920 Speaker 1: and this is Pontia