1 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: All right, so SEC overrated, SEC, bad Bowl record, SEC 2 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: is a conference on the decline, A million different things 3 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: being said. Where's your head with all this? Right now? 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 2: I think the overrated part of it, Josh, would be 5 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: where do you rate it? If you still have it 6 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: at I don't know what twenty twelve, thirteen ish, whatever 7 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: it is, even maybe twenty nineteen ish, then yeah, it's 8 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: gonna be overraty compared to that because it's not as 9 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: dominant as it was then. Specifically, the teams at the 10 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: top are not as consistently dominant as that was then. 11 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll ever see that again from 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: any program at any conference where Alabama was for a 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: long time then where Georgia came in to be really 14 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: next to them, Florida with their run, LSU with their run, 15 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: and then a couple of teams that sort of skyrocketed up, Auburn, 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: Mississippi State, a few others. I don't think you're ever 17 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: going to get that consistently again. I do think the depth, though, 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: if you're just rating it on best conference in America, 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: probably proves that it is that you could look at 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: the draft every year. I think you look at the venues, 21 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: the crowds, the capacity, those kind of things all make 22 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: it one of the most difficult conferences to play in, 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: regardless of what your record is or who you have 24 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: on your team. And the coaching prowess too, I think 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: elevates it. But does it have that Has it lapped 26 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: the Big Ten and some of the other conferences like 27 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: maybe it once did, like we talked about for a while. No, 28 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 2: it's just not there anymore. 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: I think if you just wanted to say that, just 30 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: say it in week three. I'm not talking to you, 31 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm talking to anyone who They make what could be 32 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: a good argument, but there are so many bad faith 33 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: counter argument. It's not bad faith count argument. They're like 34 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: bad faith ammunition to the argument. One of them's always 35 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: been Bowl record. Now, to be very very clear, like 36 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: when I was doing a radio down in Columbus, there 37 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: was a year where the SEC just dominated Bowl season. 38 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: I can't remember what it was, is like not or 39 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: something like that. It would have been in the mid 40 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: twenty teens. So some dude calls us up, says, told y'all, 41 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: the SEC was the best in the country, look at 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: their bull record, And I said, no, man, the SEC 43 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: is either the best in the country or it's not. 44 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: But the Bull record is not the end all be all, 45 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: And this was before opt outs. This was when Bull 46 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: records probably had more meaning than they do right now. 47 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: But even back then, my stance on using Bull records 48 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: to provide a definitive answer as to relative conference strength 49 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: has always been that it's stupid. It's completely stupid, whether 50 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: it supports or negates my argument as to who I 51 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: think is best. The only time Bull season would have 52 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: ever told me anything about conference versus conference is if 53 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: we were to have the Bulls take SEC one versus 54 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: ACC one, Big twelve six versus Big ten six, and 55 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: nobody opts out, and so you really have equal seeding 56 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: and you have head to head bowl bowl games featuring 57 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: teams from different conferences. Only then would I really know, 58 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: not only do we not have that, not only have 59 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: we never had that, then we got the water that's 60 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: further muddied by all the opt outs and coaching staff's 61 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: moving all over the place in the portal stuff. So 62 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: I've never cared about that. If you want to tell 63 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: me you think the SEC is on the decline, if 64 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: you think the SEC was overrated, tell me that before 65 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: ball season starts. The ball season tells me nothing. Now 66 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: I do think this. I think that the talent, inarguably 67 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: in college football has been more spread out, so that 68 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: part's obvious. You don't even need to look at Georgia's starters, 69 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: look at their twos, look at Alabama's twos, and that's 70 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: really where the litmus test has been for me as 71 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: to what's happened with talent. But that's not The SEC 72 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: is still the most talented league in the country, So 73 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: it's the SEC doesn't have a talent problem, like they're 74 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: not lacking in talent. So let's just go down this road. 75 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: Let's stay hypothetically. If you think the SEC is inferior 76 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: to the Big Ten right now as a conference, however 77 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: you choose to measure that, it certainly not calls top 78 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: to bottom the SEC has less talented football players than 79 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: the Big Ten, because I don't think anyone's really arguing that. 80 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: What you may be arguing is talent's not the end 81 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: all be all. Talent doesn't always equal a good football player. 82 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: Most talented team doesn't always equal best football team, and 83 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: you're not going to get any argument on that for me. 84 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: So let's say theoretically the Big Ten has better football 85 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: teams top to bottom right now than the SEC. Would 86 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: you argue that first off? And then secondly, if that 87 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: is the case, what are some of the reasons you 88 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: would see there? Because I got a few theories. 89 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: If I wanted to just go with this, I still 90 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: don't think that I would say that top to bottom 91 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: Do I think that there are a couple of middle 92 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: of the road, maybe upper middle of the road teams 93 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: in the Big Ten and the SEC. If we compared them, 94 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 2: I'd probably take the Big Ten teams on most days. Yeah, 95 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 2: I think I would. I've got some really interesting conversations 96 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 2: with a couple of coaches that have been in both 97 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: in the last couple of years. I can remember Dave 98 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: Randa at LSU having conversations with him. And do an 99 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: Illinois Bowl game this year, regardless of what some folks 100 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 2: who cover Illinois think that wanted an Illinois broadcast that 101 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: we spent the entire game on Tennessee, which I would 102 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: debate and disagree with. Actually enjoyed covering that team and 103 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 2: learning more about that team. And you come to find 104 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 2: out that culturally things are different right now, and I 105 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: don't know how we can put this on paper. I 106 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: don't know if you can necessarily quantify it through PFF 107 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: or whatever statistic you want to. I don't think we're 108 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: going to be able to do that. But what I 109 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: do think is that the big ten is they're building 110 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 2: their programs and their teams a little bit more around 111 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: team where I do still think a lot of the 112 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: SEC is just talent acquisition at its peak, like let's 113 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 2: go find the most talented guys with the most star 114 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: rankings that we think had the highest ceiling, and let's 115 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: jam on in there and let's go. That's not collective, 116 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: that's not every coach, that's not even our think what's 117 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 2: at the top of the minds of a lot of teams. 118 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: But Josh, I think there's part of this. It just 119 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: means more, and there's a trickle down effect to that 120 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: where that comes in as it just means more of 121 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: If you're not competing for the conference championship, it's not enough. 122 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 2: If you're not in the playoffs, it's not enough. We 123 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: had people calling our radio show the day after the 124 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: Rose Bowl saying that Kaitlyn D. Moore should be fired. 125 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: He won a playoff game on the road was in 126 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: the SEC Championship game. Fans are not satisfied with that. 127 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: I understand it's Alabama and there's a different standard and 128 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: all those things, but like you sit and talk to 129 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: Brett Bilama and you ask these questions, like where do 130 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 2: you find these guys? Where do you get these guys 131 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: that don't mind if they don't get twenty targets in 132 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: a season, or they don't get thirty carries a game, 133 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 2: or if you're not throwing the ball forty five times 134 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: a game. Where do you get these lunch pail hard 135 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: hat guys, these role players. And he's like, yeah, it's 136 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 2: a little more difficult to find them. He's like, but culturally, 137 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: that's how we had to build our football team. Like 138 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 2: Dave Randa told us. I remember, we asked him the difference, 139 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: and he said, I never had a kid at Wisconsin 140 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 2: talk about his combine numbers or his camp numbers, or 141 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: his vertical or his forty or anything like. They never 142 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 2: And he said, but the other thing was those guys 143 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: watched football a lot of football. Maction Tuesday night, Wednesday 144 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 2: night a Conference, USA weeknight game, Sunday night football, Monday 145 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: night football, Thursday night NFL game, Thursday night college game. 146 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: He said, most of the kids down here are watching highlights, 147 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: and so there's just a little bit of again going 148 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: back to that, it just means more the recruiting rankings, 149 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: Like you've been a little bit more entrenched in recruiting 150 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: over your career than I have. Like who cares more 151 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: about recruiting? Like what portion of the country cares more 152 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: about how many stars you have, where recruits ranked, where 153 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: our recruiting rankings are. And I'm not saying Ohio State 154 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: and Michigan don't care. I'm not saying Rutgers doesn't care 155 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: or us he doesn't care. But let's be real, Like 156 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: the genesis of all this recruiting hype started in the Southeast, 157 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: and a lot of that is probably because like when 158 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: I was coming up, it was Texas and California and 159 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: Florida had some of it. Now I think it's Florida, Louisiana, Georgia. 160 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: You still have some californ So I have a ton 161 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: of Texas, But like the southeastern portion of the United States, 162 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: and not just the teams that are essentrally located there, 163 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: but the people and the majority of players that come 164 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: from there. I think That's why the recruiting buzz is 165 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: what it is. And I think there's a lot of 166 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: SEC programs that are still thinking to themselves, we got 167 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: to be ranked there. We got to get those kind 168 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: of guys. I mean Indiana is a perfect example of this, 169 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: and they have good football players. They do, but their 170 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: guys understand how to execute what the play asked them, 171 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: understanding collectively what is asked of you on an offensive play. 172 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 2: A running back having patients waiting to hit a hole, 173 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: an offensive lineman understanding that when you get movement up front, 174 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: you can't turn back. You keep your hat play side, 175 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 2: you get your hands inside, you run your feet, you finish. 176 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: Good things are gonna happen also too, I think with 177 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: that comes one last thing, the unreliability of individual players. 178 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: And I think there's still a lot of programs teams 179 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: in the SEC that look at it, we got to 180 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: have a quarterback that can carry us. We gotta have 181 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: any elite pass rusher that can shut down a game, 182 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 2: or elite intier defensive lineman that can take over a game, 183 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: and we'll figure it all out from there. I think 184 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: there's teams like Illinois. I think there's teams like Indiana 185 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: right now, that are not necessarily building their teams that way. Otherwise, 186 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 2: Howard Fromanduman does who win the Heisman with what two 187 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 2: three hundred yard games this year? You have tight ends 188 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: that are not going to get twenty catches in a season, 189 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 2: that are out there busting their ear ends for Indiana, 190 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: you got defensive linemen that are role players. For Illinois, 191 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: you got guys that are being asked to do different 192 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: things that they're okay with because it's a little bit 193 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 2: more about the team. I don't know how that started, 194 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: what the genesis was of that, how you continue that, 195 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 2: But I do think recruiting has a lot to do 196 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: with it, and I think messaging has a lot to 197 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: do with it as well. I think a lot of 198 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 2: times these teams in the South, when you don't win 199 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 2: ten games or go to the playoff or win the conference, 200 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 2: people think you need to be fired. And that's just 201 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 2: the reality of where a lot of it is. 202 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: I think the talent stuff. Talent matters a whole lot. 203 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: Talent also gets overrated and misunderstood a whole lot. And 204 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: I don't even I'm not even talking about failed evaluations, like, yes, 205 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a kid. This cycle that the recruiting 206 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: industry ranked five stars that ends up being a bust. 207 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: Happens every cycle, happens every NFL draft cycle. So that's 208 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: I'm not putting on on three or any of the 209 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: other recruiting services. I'm looking at it and I'm saying, 210 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: it's one thing for those rankings committees to sit around 211 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: and rank guys and then they go on to become 212 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: what they become. Number one. All right. Cole Cublet comes 213 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: out of high school, He's ranked a three star offensive tackle. 214 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: He commits to UAB. Five years later, after a red 215 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: shirt year and three or four years of playing, he 216 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: transfers to let's say Auburn for his senior year. He's 217 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: gonna be classified as a former three star. You are 218 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: five years, you're half a decade removed, half a decade 219 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: of physical and mental maturation, removed from what your high 220 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: school rating was, and yet you're still gonna be considered 221 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: a three star. I understand, when you go on the portal, 222 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: you get reranked and all that stuff, but for broad 223 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: strokes purposes, people are gonna remember you as former three star. 224 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: You are going to then go to Auburn and you're 225 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 1: gonna face off against probably a five star true freshman 226 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: edge rusher that Alabama got on campus. That will be 227 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: looked at is five star versus three star, And in 228 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: that matchup, a fan will say, well, Alabama's got the 229 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: talent edge in that matchup. My point is, talent matters 230 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: a whole lot. I also think a lot of people 231 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: who blanketly throw around talent designations and talent labels and 232 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: who's more talented, they have no clue what they're talking about. 233 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: And that's before we even broach the difference between having 234 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: a lot of talent and having a good team having 235 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: a lot of talent in winning football games. Don't even 236 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: go to that conversation yet, just describing talent because I'm 237 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: gonna tell you right now, and I'm not doing the 238 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: NFL draft stuff or anything like that. I'm not trying 239 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: to prep for that. But how many times did we 240 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: hear in the week leading up to Alabama Indiana Alabama's 241 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: got talent edge over Indiana, Alabama's got talent venged over Indiana. 242 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: And I know what that's born from. You got two 243 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: different people who could say that you could have a 244 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: supreme talent evaluator who really has methodically broken down both 245 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: rosters and arrived at that conclusion. Those are few and 246 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: far between. Or you just got people who follow recruiting 247 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: rankings and who follow the mock drafts, and that's it, 248 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: and it's just so popular to throw it out because 249 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: you know no one's going to push back on it. 250 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: Then the game happens, and not only does Indiana win 251 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: the game that they were favored by over a touchdown. 252 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: And to begin with, I look at it, and I say, really, 253 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: there's a Grand Canyon's difference in talent versus the team 254 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: with three and the team with thirty eight. You're telling me, really, 255 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: my eyes are supposed to see David Slay and Goliath here. 256 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: I don't really see that. And so those bubbles just 257 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: build in your mind and then they get popped and 258 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: you can't make sense of it because your worldview is 259 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: a default that supreme talent over here, plucky underdogs over there. 260 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I guess what I'm trying to 261 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: say is maybe there are talent edges. I don't know 262 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: that the GAP's always nearly as big as people paint 263 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: those things to be, but. 264 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: The talent edge might still be that big there's a 265 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 2: portion of this that you're maybe leaving out just a 266 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: little bit when you talk to coaches about what they want, 267 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 2: what they desire, what they what they need to have 268 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: to have a successful team. Like the word talent comes 269 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: out a lot. What's the other word that, Hey, we 270 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: don't have a lot of this, or hey we have 271 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: a lot of this and we feel pretty good. It's experience, right, 272 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: So I mean, do you want Caleb Williams last year 273 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: or Kayleb Williams this year for the Bears? By this 274 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: two totally different quarterbacks you want? You want Peyton Manning 275 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: rookie year, Peyton Manning fifth year in the NFL. It's 276 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: not even a debatable, it's it's not even a question 277 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 2: that needs to be asked. And there's a lot of 278 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: examples in college of that. We see kids struggle early 279 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden two years later, three 280 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 2: years later, or they go somewhere else, but they've had 281 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 2: an extra spring practice, an extra fall practice, maybe they 282 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: sat for two or three games and watch how things operate, 283 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 2: and then they're a better player. The problem with that is, 284 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: going back to your example of me going to UAB 285 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: being five years later, is a perfect one because you 286 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: take some of these guys out of the IVY League, 287 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: Like I forget the kid's name that was from I 288 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: think Penn that played d line at Florida a couple 289 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: of years ago. He's a really good football player, like 290 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: gave them great reps played. I don't he probably didn't 291 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: even have a star coming out. Nobody wanted him. A 292 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: lot of the Indiana guys that Signetti has brought in, 293 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: they had three, four or five years of college football experience. 294 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: Like you're taking that over super five star first year 295 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: guy because you don't know what you're gonna get with 296 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: super five star first year guy. Now, you might get 297 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: Julio Jones as a freshman, you might get Randy Moss 298 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: at Marshall freshman year, like maybe, but there's a hundred 299 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: other guys that you could look at and say, he's 300 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: not gonna know what route to run, he's gonna get 301 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: tired after three games, he's not gonna have to know 302 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: how to play four quarters. He's not gonna want to 303 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: play special teams. He look at like some guys in 304 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: recent memory I'm thinking of, like Brandon Fisk at Florida State. 305 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: I had one of his games at Western Michigan, and 306 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: that coach is staff sitting there telling me, this kid 307 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 2: plays punt cover, punt return, kick return. He's in our 308 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: short yarded situation on offense. He can play inside outside 309 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: on defense like he is a football player. But he 310 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: had also been doing that for multiple years. You don't 311 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: think his awareness in football smarts and understanding of what 312 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: the play is asking for is going to be that 313 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: much better than nothing against Dylan Stewart. But Dylan Stewart 314 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: coming in as a freshman, he didn't collectively understand why 315 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: coverage was working a certain way, why leverage was being 316 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: given up to one receiver in the boundary but not 317 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: to the field, Like he didn't have that understanding yet. 318 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: So that experience is something that can be more valuable 319 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: than talent because of the football understanding, the situational awareness, 320 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: the collective understanding of just one play what's being asked for. 321 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I could tell you from my experience my 322 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: junior year. When I started, I had no idea what 323 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: was going on with coverage, zero, not a single thing. 324 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: By the time we got to the middle of my 325 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: senior year, I could look at safeties and tell you 326 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: why front was shifted a certain way, why a corner 327 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: was playing something a certain way, and it all worked together. 328 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: It was all intertwined. You don't understand that right out 329 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: of the gate. And the high school kids are coming 330 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 2: in with better understanding of football because of camps, because 331 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: of film, because of different things. But the experienced portion 332 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: of it, being in games and playing even at a 333 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: lower level, is doing leaps and bounds for what talent 334 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: had not done for a long period of time. I mean, 335 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: Trinidad Chamblis is a perfect example of this. Just kid 336 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: has been in games. Charlie Wise Junior and Laying both 337 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: told us this kid came into practice he could not 338 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: complete passes in practice. We get to our first Saturday scrimmage, 339 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: he's with the threes. He's walking them up and down 340 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: the field on our defense. Same thing the next week, struggle, struggle, struggle, 341 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: Saturday scrimmage, he's with the twos up and down the field. 342 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: We need to give this kid more reps. He still 343 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: doesn't look good in practice. Now we're gonna split time 344 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: with the ones up and down the field in scrimmage. 345 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: He had game experience. May not have been a good 346 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 2: practice performer, but he knew what it was like to 347 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: be in games. He probably knew what coverage was doing, 348 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: he knew why people were lined up certain ways, and 349 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: he can go out there and execute. So that experience, 350 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: I think it's something now that is becoming I'm not 351 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: going to say more important than talent, because it's not 352 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 2: because you still have takeover guys that nobody can do 353 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: anything about you. And I had that conversation earlier in 354 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 2: the year about potential playoff teams and who had things 355 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 2: that nobody was going to be able to do anything about. 356 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: But experience is something that I think becomes almost as 357 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: valuable when you get, especially at this point in the season. 358 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: A reminder for a lot of you guys, I know 359 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: you're about to go to playoff games, looking to go 360 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: to Fiesta Bowl, looking to go to Peach Bowl, maybe 361 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: go to both. I don't know what you like to do. 362 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: You need tickets before you just go blindly purchased from 363 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: somewhere check out Sea Geek, and right before you check out, 364 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: this is probably the most important part next to go 365 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: into the game. Paid ten pat e one zero at checkout. 366 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: That'll get you ten percent off your entire order up 367 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: to two hundred dollars. Anything above two hundred get you 368 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: twenty dollars off, not free, but discounting all right back 369 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: to the talent thing. Yes, it is true that the 370 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: SEC has far less a talent edge over the other 371 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 1: conference than they used to. I think the nil portal 372 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: era has obviously even that out a little bit. I'll 373 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: tell you what that did to me. I think that 374 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 1: era where the SEC could just roll out of bed 375 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: in the morning and understand as a conference it had 376 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: a massive talent edge over whoever was number two did 377 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: I think it made them lazy in a sense that 378 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: you did not have to scratch and claw for every 379 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: potential edge in that conference. I'm speaking generically, not about 380 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: one school in the Big ten and then in other 381 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: conferences as well, but I'm speaking specifically about the Big Ten. 382 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: The search for every margin, the search for every inch, 383 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: the search for every edge. The innovation by necessity that 384 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: you have to have is greatly reduced when you just 385 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: know we're going to load up a roster and you 386 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: may still go win with them, even though you're less innovative, 387 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: and you may be less disciplined, and you may be 388 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: less honed in on your craft as a staff and 389 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: the second part of that where I think the SEC 390 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: got incredibly lazy in an era where they knew they 391 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: just out talent everyone is the way the conference staffs 392 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: collectively can be a joke at times. You got places 393 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: out there that understand we're living on the margins and 394 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: therefore we can take no we can cut no corners 395 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: when it comes to staffing. We got to go full 396 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: merit based. We got to put the best dudes in 397 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: the best positions. You're not running a position room here 398 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: as an experiment, because you happen to belong to the 399 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: same representation as I do. And I've watched time and 400 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: time again around the SEC. Probably the most disappointed I 401 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: ever was when I finally got into our business on 402 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: this side of the business, got a little access. Was 403 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: my ability to observe how staffs are put together. It's 404 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: night and day different than what I thought it was 405 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: from the outside. From the outside, I used to think 406 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: that is pure wizardry happening behind the curtain, and there's 407 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: just purple smoke, and you your mind would be blown 408 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: if you knew how intricate these coaching searches are. And 409 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: then you pull the curtain back and you realize, well, 410 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: I'm signed with this agency. I've got these letters on 411 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: my chest. In exchange for that, I'm just gonna take 412 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: their rolodex, flip through it, and I'm gonna do a 413 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: bunch of favors. And I've got so big a talent 414 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: edge here it probably ain't gonna matter a whole lot. 415 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: So that's how I'm gonna fill my building that does 416 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: not exist nearly to the extent in the Big Ten 417 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: that it has in the SEC for a long time, 418 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: And for a long time you could get away with it. 419 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: And now because the talent edge has evened out a 420 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: whole lot, you just get exposed. You get exposed a 421 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: whole lot more. And if anyone wants to talk about 422 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: bull records again, I put no stock in them. But situationally, 423 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: I do think sometimes you see that, sometimes you see 424 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: just these little edges, these little increments here and there 425 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: that show up because you got a heck of a 426 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: coaching staff that's probably less heralded because the trade off 427 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: from doing it the Big ten way versus the SEC way. 428 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: As a lot of the guys that are finding their 429 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,479 Speaker 1: way on the SEC staffs are finding themselves there because 430 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: they're marketed properly, they're presented properly. Their name is shouted 431 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: through the bullhorn more than the offensive line coach at 432 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: Illinois per se Well. I think that's going to course 433 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: correct out of necessity in the coming years. But that's 434 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: a practice that existed for a long time in the 435 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: SEC that I think has got to change. 436 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: I also wonder too, go back to it just means 437 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 2: more again financially, where the SEC is what they're able 438 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: to pay their coaches, what they're able to pay their staffs. 439 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: What do we say about so many SEC assistant coaches 440 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 2: that they've been at five seven nine, I mean, how 441 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 2: many SEC schools has Rodney Gardner been at? You know, 442 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: Eric Wolford offensive line coach, He's been at Alabama, Kentucky. 443 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: I think he's going to LSU now. He was at 444 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: South Carolina. Like so, I also wonder too that because 445 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 2: the money is so great and the league has been 446 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: so incestuous as far as how they have gone about 447 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 2: finding other assistant coaches, be it position or coordinators, a 448 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 2: lot of them usually come from other SEC schools. It 449 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: makes it that more difficult at this point in time 450 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: in the season to be able to go out there 451 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 2: and get things. I mean, I've done again, I've done it. 452 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: I did the tax layer ball with Mississippi State in 453 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: Louisville when they had like three paid coaches on staff. 454 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 2: Mississippi State did because Dan Mullen had taken the Florida job. 455 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 2: And you know, we've had other staffs where it's like, hey, 456 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: so and so is going to handle this position. So 457 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 2: and so is going to do this position like he's gone. 458 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 2: He's gone. 459 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: So. 460 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 2: I mean, I do think that that kind of plays 461 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 2: into it as well from a game planning perspective. I 462 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: haven't seen to the extent exactly what you're referencing as 463 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: far as you know how those staffs have been put together, 464 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: but you know there is I mean, there's definitely a 465 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: little bit of a buddy system that's going on there too. 466 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of it is as you 467 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: said from the beginning, this league is different, things are 468 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 2: different expectations different You want guys that have been around 469 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: it that either understand how to weather those storms, know 470 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: how to have those conversations, and that's why you go 471 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: get those people from those other teams. 472 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: What do you think about the new guys that have 473 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: been brought in the SEC. Specifically, You've got some are 474 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: all Goalish Silverfield whom I'm missing Will. 475 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 2: If you want to do you know, Namee obviously at LSU, 476 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 2: and then Pete Golding at ole Miss. I mean, I 477 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: think Goals has the mentality to be able to do it. 478 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: He's no nonsense. People are gonna see his offense and think, 479 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: you know, oh he's you know. And unfortunately he is 480 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: at Auburn where you've had a couple others that people 481 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 2: have looked at us being a little bit soft and 482 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 2: not being not having that edge. He's got that edge, 483 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 2: and so I think that he will be relentless in 484 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: the manner in which you need to be to be successful. 485 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 2: John Somemraw is just the perfect fit as an SEC coach. Honestly, Like, 486 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: give me the SEC school that he doesn't work at, 487 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: I mean honestly, like Alabama, Georgia, LSU. I mean the guy. 488 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 2: The guy would work anywhere in South Carolina, Misissippi state. 489 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 2: Like he can be good old country boy, he can 490 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: be like CEO is talking about how to build a program. 491 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 2: He could work anywhere. So he's gonna work at Florida. 492 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: In my opinion, obviously, Lane has won. I think Lane 493 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: will continue to win with the resources he has at LSU. 494 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: Pete Golding is next up. I mean, Pete Golding is 495 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 2: a guy that the players love. He is is he 496 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 2: knows more ball than any head coach in this league 497 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 2: I've ever been around. And he's the only head coach 498 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: that I've talked football with that I've asked him to 499 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 2: rewind because I didn't know where he was and he 500 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 2: lost me. So I think he'll be fantastic. Ryan Silverfield 501 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: comes from a great liney as a coach is that 502 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: he's worked with. Now. The Arkansas job is tough, and 503 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 2: that's Greg and I had this conversation this morning about 504 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: how sometimes it's difficult in this league because we had 505 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: a guy call it and say, well, SOMEMMRW is just 506 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 2: you know, Billy two point zero. But first off, Billy's 507 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: not a bad coach. Second off, Tulane's not in the Sunbelt, 508 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: and actually neither is South Florida, which a lot of 509 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 2: folks are calling in saying goals beat up on Sun 510 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: Belt teams. Then we played one Sun Belt team last year, 511 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 2: so I don't really know where we get that. But 512 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 2: I still think Brian Harson's a good coach now. Was 513 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 2: he a good coach at Auburn at that time? Absolutely 514 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 2: not needed to get rid of him. Didn't work. Same 515 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: thing with Billy at Florida. Billy had his chances at Florida, 516 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 2: but I don't think that that doesn't mean he can coach. 517 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: He just made a couple of poor decisions along the way. 518 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 2: Things didn't work. Like how many kids at Florida do 519 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 2: you think that fourteen fifteen SEC schools would have loved 520 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: to have had instead of the kid they had at 521 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: that position? I said, I know about twelve thirteen teams 522 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 2: would love to that Jade and Ball. I know a 523 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: bunch of them that would have loved that. Caleb Banks 524 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 2: a couple of those receivers as well, like even DJ 525 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: Lagway and let me see what I can do with 526 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: that guy. So he got talent there, it's just he 527 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: didn't relinquished control of the offense. It didn't work while 528 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: he was there. So I think sometimes two in the 529 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: SEC we look at these coaches and they don't have 530 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: a good run and we just say they're bad. They're 531 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: just they're not a good coach. But it's tough and 532 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 2: it's a different place because of those expectations partially, but 533 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: I think you got some coaches in here that get it, 534 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 2: that understand it, that are gonna grind. And that's a 535 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: big portion of what it takes because you're asked to 536 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 2: do a lot because those programs mean so much in 537 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: the communities and the surrounding communities. But it's more than 538 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: just being a coach right now, Josh, you gotta have 539 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: you gotta have that administration on your side. You got 540 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 2: to have some extra fan support, you gotta have some 541 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 2: extra compliance support. Like, it just takes a lot more 542 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 2: alignment now than it ever has. It's why the Lane 543 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: thing is so interesting, Like everything that we say, oh, 544 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: we had to take all these people that are obsessed 545 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: with he had to take that job. Like, honestly, outside 546 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 2: of local high school talent and its vicinity to your campus, 547 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: what is the biggest difference historically? We know that, we 548 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 2: know that, but what does that matter? Okay, So the 549 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: folks will say, well, historically it's a powerhouse. Indiana's in 550 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 2: the playoff. Yeah, tu Lane was in the playoff. Miami's 551 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 2: back in the playoff. They were a powerhouse. But there 552 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 2: was a long stretch where they weren't and I got 553 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: there back in Old Miss is in the playoff, not 554 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: a traditional power in college football. 555 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: So here's what's going to be fun on that reminder, 556 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: just by the way, we're talking about the Big ten 557 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: d SEC doesn't really matter which of those conferences you're 558 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: driving around Quick Trip all over the place you feel 559 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: you walk in with one of these things. Actually this 560 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: is discouraged. You need to use their cups. Go fill 561 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: a Quick Trip cup with Cobra on tap, then take 562 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: it to your car and pour it in au that 563 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: you and I both have because these were wedding gifts. 564 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 2: Or I love that you were about to hand out 565 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: free coffee refills. 566 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't. Legally, I can't do it. I'd love 567 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: to do it. Legally, I can't do it. Quick Trip, though, 568 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: fueling the fault. Don't lie tour. We're gonna be in 569 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: Arizona and Atlanta this week. They fueled us all year. 570 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: They can fuel you all year long. Maybe even get 571 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: your own tour name again. You live your life however 572 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: you want to. We're all about that business. But appreciate 573 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: Quick Trip for fueling the show. You were just talking 574 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: about something there and I kind of touched on this 575 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: the other night, and then I was getting some feedback 576 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,239 Speaker 1: on it. So someone asked me, Hey, do you think 577 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin's gonna end up regretting leaving Ole Miss? Do 578 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: you think he threw away his best shot at winning 579 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: a national title? To the second part, I said, there's 580 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: no way to know that. To the first part, I said, 581 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: I don't think so. However, I could see a world 582 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: five years from now where if we continue on this trajectory, 583 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: it means that we've just kind of finalized the world 584 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: of everything evening out, and all the resource is just 585 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: kind of it is what it is, no matter where 586 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: you are in that world. And this is an extreme 587 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: and I don't know this is where we're headed, But 588 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: in that world, to that extreme conclusion of the logic rainbow, 589 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: there you could end up looking at the world of 590 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: college football totally backwards. And if you're at a place 591 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: that has all the tradition and all the pageantry and 592 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: all the brand recognition, it works to your detriment because 593 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: their expectations are still way, way way high. Yet you're 594 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,719 Speaker 1: working with no more advantage there than they have at 595 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: Ole Miss. You could be at Ohio State and you 596 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: have no more advantage than they have at Purdue. And 597 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: it's never a world that you thought you'd live in. 598 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: So you got the same pool to use at Old 599 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: Miss that you would at LSU. Yet the expectation level 600 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: hasn't come to earth at LSU like it is at 601 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: Old Miss. And you may look at it down the 602 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: road and say, you know, I'd rather just be back 603 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: at Old Miss than here. This is a big headache here. Now. 604 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,479 Speaker 1: I don't know that we're going there. I'm saying, if 605 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: we continue to go this direction, I could see that 606 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: being the new norm. 607 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: No, in the always gonna be inherent advantages with the 608 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: traditional powers. I say that, but I mean Nebraska's lost 609 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: thirty straight to AP ranked opponents. And that was a 610 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 2: program that when I was growing up, like I looked 611 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: at it and said, Bollen, I'll never play there because 612 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: that's like the best of the best. Like I'm just 613 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,719 Speaker 2: you have to be like the super elite to go 614 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 2: play there. Like that's what that program was when I 615 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 2: was growing up in middle school in high school watching 616 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 2: then perform. But I think you asked that question about Lane. 617 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 2: It's largely dependent on what is Old Miss do this year? 618 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 2: And in subsequent years, they get Kewan Lacy and Trinidad 619 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: Chambel's back, and they're already getting They're already getting other 620 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: quality players out of the portal to be able to 621 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: fill some gaps. It doesn't feel like they're gonna go anywhere. 622 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like all of a sudden it's gonna 623 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: be once again. Look the different I think there's two 624 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 2: differences in Old Miss now and maybe the two or 625 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: three that were the other best under Lane one. This 626 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 2: team feels like it's a little more mentally emotionally stable. 627 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 2: They're a little more rugged than they have been in 628 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: the past. Because there were other Old Miss teams when 629 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: they got punched in the gut, it was kind of like, yeah, 630 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 2: you knew that was it. This team continues to punch back. 631 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean they're the most physical team out there, but 632 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 2: they do have maybe a step up there that they 633 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 2: have in the past. And going back to what we 634 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: talked about earlier, that over reliance on an individual player, 635 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: like think about when Elijah Moore was there, and you 636 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 2: can even go back to some of the other receivers 637 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 2: that have been there before, but how many times they 638 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 2: were targeted, how many times Jerry on Ealy had to 639 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: touch the football, how many times Elijah Moore had to 640 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: touch the football? Like They're not as reliant on an 641 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: individual guy as some of the offenses have been in 642 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 2: the past. So I think even this team is a 643 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 2: little bit different. And Lane told us before the season 644 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 2: we asked him about Pete Golding. He's like, listen, Pete 645 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: has helped me understand all of it, Like Pete helps 646 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: me in game. Pete helps me putting the team together 647 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 2: like I used to be. Let's score sixty, who cares, 648 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: We'll be fine. And now Pete can get on the 649 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: headset and say, hey, man, dial it back here. Defense 650 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: needs a blow, like don't go for this, run a 651 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: little bit of clock, punt the football. We're fine, Like 652 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 2: why are you going for two again? Pete's the guy 653 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: like you and I talking about having an FU coach, 654 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 2: like Pete was kind of Lane's FU coach. Well, now 655 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 2: he can handle the whole team, and man is the 656 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 2: whole team, and I think the kids love playing for him. 657 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 2: So I see no reason they're just going to go backwards. 658 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: So there are always going to be Texas, Bama, USC 659 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 2: Ohio State that have those little inherent advantages, mainly because 660 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 2: a lot of people are gonna want to give them 661 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 2: a lot more money to do cool things with. 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