1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Back here at the NFL Scouting Combine. I'm Matt Taylor, 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: joined by Casey Vallee, also on Radio Row. We're gonna 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: talk about the Jacksonville Jaguars. Unfortunately, the first time we've 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: talked extensively about Jacksonville since they knocked the Colts out 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: of the playoffs essentially in week eighteen. John Osier is 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: with a senior writer for the Jacksonville Jaguars and a 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: former Hoosier still a Whosier at heart, John, Welcome back 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: to Indianapolis. Are absolutely always always good to be back, 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 1: Always good to talk to you guys, and always good 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: to be back on the site that I had habited 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: for ten years. It's right, ten good years. John used 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: to littercolts dot com with a ton of good information 13 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: covering Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne back in the day. 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: Let's start there. Are you surprised that Reggie didn't make 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: the cut to the Hall of Fame this past February. 16 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: I was disappointed for him. Our thoughts in Jacksonville have 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: been so Tony BISSELLI centric in reward. Yeah, yeah, that 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: I hadn't really focused too much on Reggie. I really 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: want Reggie to get in mainly because in I don't know, 20 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five years coming in the league, I would 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: put Reggie in among my top five six favorite guys 22 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: I've ever covered, an unbelievably good guy, and my personal opinion, 23 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 1: I think he's very underrated as a receiver. I said before, 24 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: I you know, there's this perception that it's Marvin Harrison 25 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: one and Reggie and I and I Reggie Wayne and 26 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: two in that era. If you look at the numbers 27 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: in the Impact, it's it's close and in big games, 28 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: I would have taken Reggie. He made a lot of 29 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: big catches that put that team in a lot of situations, 30 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: and in the postseason, Reggie Wayne mattered to that team. 31 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: I don't think they're is successful without him. So, um, 32 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: if I had a vote, if I was lobbying, my 33 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: first thought now was going to move to Fred Taylor 34 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: because he's our guy and a good friend of Reggie's. 35 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: But it would be nothing better than if Reggie and 36 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: Fred are very close could go in together because I 37 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: kind of feel like they're very similar cases, very underrated 38 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: for how productive they were. Do you think he'll make 39 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: a good coach? I do? Yeah, he uh the reason 40 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: He's one of the favorite guys I've ever covered. Is 41 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: not for what he'd in the field. I loved watching 42 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: him play. I respected incredibly. Reggie's ability to get better 43 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: each year was very underrated. He was not a particularly 44 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: effective productive player one O two and even into three. 45 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: It was O four, I believe when the team really 46 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: took off and they had Stoke and Marvin Harrison and 47 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: well Reggie, that was the year they all had a 48 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: thousand yards receiving painting at the forty nine. It was 49 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: it was his fourth year before he was a great, 50 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: great player. And the reason he was able to do 51 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: that was not because of physical ability necessarily. It was 52 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: because he taught himself to play. He was that disciplined. 53 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: There was the incredible stat and I think it was 54 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: nine ten, one of my last years there, he missed 55 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: a practice and it was the first practice he had 56 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: missed since two thousand and one, I believe, and I 57 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: think I've got that right, But it was an incredible streak. 58 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: It was not an iron man to play the game streak. 59 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: He had never missed a practice during that time. I 60 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: think he had his high ankle sprain and oh one, 61 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: and if I'm not mistaken. It was two thousan ten 62 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: before he missed a practice. That doesn't make you a 63 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: great coach. But his ability to communicate, his ability to 64 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: relate with people. I can tell you many many stories 65 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: on those lines. His ability to relate to people, to 66 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: understand what needs to be said, incredibly good explaining what 67 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: he's trying to say. I loved fridays with Reggie, that's yeah. 68 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: And you know I had I got him one on 69 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: one two or three different times for back when they 70 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: had the Scout magazine and I did Q and a's. 71 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: I always look forward to talking to Reggie because he 72 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: was never talking in cliches. He was always trying to 73 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: tell you what he meant and what was really on 74 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: his mind and trying to do it in a way 75 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: that you understood. I've got to think that's something that's 76 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: going to translate to coach and if I'm a receiver 77 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: in that room. Yeah, he's a guy I listened to. 78 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: How thinking about it? Just turn on the tape. Yeah, 79 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: that speaks for itself, There's no question about that. That's 80 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: John Ozier, Jaguars dot Com Senior writer. There. You've been 81 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: covering the Jaguars for probably just as long, if not 82 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: longer than you call coolts. Yeah, so you've seen some 83 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: stuff and it seems like every year you see stuff. 84 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: And let's start there. I mean Doug Peterson now the 85 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: head coach. The dust is kind of settled on all 86 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: the changes in the front office this offseason for the Jaguars. 87 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: What do you make of the changes? Do you like them? 88 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: And do you think they're gonna pay big dividends this time? Well, 89 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: you know, I'm hasiting on the dividends part. After being 90 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: there ten or eleven years. People will follow the Jaguars 91 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: want to see it before they believe it. I've had 92 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: a lot off seasons where we've talked, Dad, this is 93 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: gonna work, this is gonna work. Here's why Doug Peterson 94 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: has a chance to work. He's you know, he's probably similar. 95 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: I only spent maybe an hour with Frank Reich, and 96 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: that was back in two thousand and nine, I think 97 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: thousand and eight when he was a quality control guy. 98 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: But you sort of knew immediately Frank was going to 99 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: be a head coach. He had that ability to communicate, 100 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: he had the demeanor, he had that calmness, the professionalism. 101 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that he's a lot like Doug in that way, 102 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: Doug our first glances that he's that guy, he's an 103 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: NFL head coach. That's a big difference from we had 104 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville last year, where a lot of Urban Myer's 105 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: downfall was just not knowing how the league worked. Does 106 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: that have to fail? No, in this case, it just 107 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: didn't work. In terms of trying to do the day 108 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: to day. Doug Peterson does the day today NFL in 109 00:05:55,120 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: a sleep. So that's a big factor there. His ability 110 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: to work with quarterbacks, which I think is an another 111 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: thing he shares with Reich very much, has to help 112 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence had a great end of the season. 113 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: As Colts fans know, he struggled most of the year. 114 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: There is an incredible amount of ability there. And Doug's 115 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: main task right now is you mentioned the dust settling. 116 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: To let the dust settle, let everything calm down, and 117 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: let the Jag always become a professional football organization again 118 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: mostly with a developing professional quarterback, because Trevor Lawrence is 119 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: the key. I got one question. I don't know how 120 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: how well we can answer this, but it seemed, you know, 121 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: let's go back a year ago. Now, the Jags were 122 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: one of the sexiest, you know jobs because of having 123 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: that first overall pick and having Trevor Lawrence. Now you've 124 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: seen Trevor Lawrence for a year. Do you think that 125 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: job is still that same appeal or is there you 126 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: know a little difference in that With Peterson coming in, 127 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: it had a little bit of there was an extra 128 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: because he had an extra second. I mean, he had 129 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: at first pick last year, so there was that appeal. 130 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: You had all the ballyhooed cap space eighty five million 131 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: dollars to me, cap space. It's fine. All things are 132 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: low overrated because free agency is so tough to build through. 133 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: To build your team through free agency, you can look 134 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: at ninety million dollars a cap space and then realisticly, 135 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: what's that going to buy you two guys exactly? And 136 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: what are you buying in free agency? Is always the concern. 137 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I spent too much time around Bill 138 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: Polian back in the day. You know, when you're buying 139 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: in free agency, you're buying somebody else's cast off. That 140 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: dangerous Yeah, that's always saying so. But that had appeal 141 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: last year, and I think it had the appeal also 142 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: of Trevor Lawrence had no dirt on him if you will, 143 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: I meaning no dirt from looking at him on the 144 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: field and saying, well, he didn't do this, he didn't 145 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: do that. It was a clean slate. Tree didn't have 146 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: a great year. I think it's not as sexy publicly 147 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: as it was last year, but I think it's just 148 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: as good a job, if not better, because you've got Trevor. 149 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: You still have Trevor Lawrence, who still is a generational talent. 150 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: I would phrase like this, it's up to Doug Peterson 151 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: to make it the job everybody thought it was last year, 152 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: because now he's got to start maximizing Trevor Lawrence. There's 153 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: no reason my opinion on Trevor Lawrence hasn't changed because 154 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: as coming in last year, he was a potential great 155 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: player who needed to be molded into a great player. Huh. 156 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: He still hasn't changed for me, A potential great player 157 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: Colts fans saw that. Now it's just a matter can 158 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: he actually do it. I don't want to open up 159 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: old wounds, but I do find it fascinating that you 160 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: said that you know Doug Peterson is coming in and 161 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: you know that these first couple of months, he's going 162 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: to be charged with bringing the Jaguars and running them 163 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: like a professional football team again, which infers that they 164 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: weren't last year with Urban Meyer. I'm not surprised that 165 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: I didn't work, and quite frankly, I'm not surprised that 166 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: he didn't last one year. What I'm really surprised with, though, 167 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: is that he didn't get fired for anything that happened 168 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: on the field. Right. I guess, are you surprised that 169 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: the Jaguars misidentified, if you will, Urban's character for lack 170 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: of a better It's because I had. That's what shocked me. Yeah, 171 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: I guess not surprised. I guess the way I would 172 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: address Urban is shod Khan really wanted it to work, 173 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: and on the surface, there was a lot to like 174 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: about the situation. Meaning yet Urban, who had had nothing 175 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: but success it had worked with Jimmy Johnson, there had 176 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:51,359 Speaker 1: been college coaches come in to do it. The problem 177 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: turned out was when he actually got to the NFL, 178 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: he used the phrase a lot, and he talked a 179 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: lot about well, I'm learning this, I'm figuring it out. 180 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: At some point you have to be ready to do it, 181 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: and I think when you're learning it and figuring it out, 182 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden players. To me, a head 183 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: coach is as valuable as how much players believe in them. 184 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: I think most coaches know about the same amount of 185 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: football stuff. I think a lot of it's turnkey stuff 186 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: in game coaching, fine, whatever. Head coaching, to me, is 187 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: about if a team believes in you. If if when 188 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: you're talking to the front of the room players are 189 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: buying your bs or not. Yeah yeah, And if they are, 190 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: then you're okay. If they're not, then you've lost it, right. 191 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: I think Urban's inexperience was probably a factor that made 192 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,599 Speaker 1: it difficult to hold that line thout the course of 193 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: the season. When they hired him last year, did you 194 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: did you think, all right, this is this is gonna work? 195 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: Or were you did you have your doubts? I hoped, 196 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: because you know, it's always good when the team covers 197 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: is is good. You know in retrospect it's easy to sail. 198 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: Yet I knew wasn't gonna work. There were things you 199 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: sort of liked for a while, and then it all 200 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: sorted to go sideways, and then you started realized it 201 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna work. So it's rare for that not to 202 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: work to such a degree that you don't make it 203 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: through an entire season. But I think shod Khan, the 204 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: Jaguar's owner, who's gotten a lot of grief for the 205 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: higher it's also easy to stick with something like that 206 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: too long out of pride, and I think he looked 207 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: at it week twelve, Week thirteen and said, you know, 208 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: I tried it. I'm gonna take a hit for firing him, 209 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: but it's time to move on. And I credit him 210 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: for doing that. And it seems like with Doug Peterson 211 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: you have the opposite, So I'm optimistic about that part. 212 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: Yeah you go. You go from all the drama to 213 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: love an ice cream right with Doug Peterson. The thing 214 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: with Doug when I talked about the professional him at 215 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: the start, it's really just a matter. There would never 216 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: be a case next season where Doug comes in and says, well, 217 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: I haven't seen that, right boy. I'm surprised it works 218 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: that way. And that happened a lot with her, and 219 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: that was something where he would use the phrase a lot. Well, 220 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: I'm having to learn that it's the first time I've 221 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: seen that. Um, it's not the place to do it. Yeah, 222 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: that's fine. If you're winning through that, right, it becomes 223 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: tough I think for players to hear when you're not 224 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: winning through that. You know, it is interesting. I mean, 225 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: we talk we're talking about Doug Peterson here, a guy 226 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: who's just what six years is it six five years 227 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: or moved from a Super Bowl? I mean, pretty pretty 228 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: impressive resume to have. When you look at the differences 229 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: you're going to see on the field, Is it going 230 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: to be a drastic change from what the Urban Meyer 231 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 1: regime was two one three games? I mean, but I'm 232 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: saying as far as you know, maybe the pieces that 233 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: they built around, or what type of difference did you 234 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: expect to see, you know, from an early standpoint of 235 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: the year, you know, it's it's uh. I think you 236 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: will see a defensively a fairly similar scheme. I think 237 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: a lot of that. It's tough to answer yet because 238 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: I think they're still in the process of looking at 239 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: Trevor and figuring out, Okay, what does he do well. Obviously, 240 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: if you look back at what the Eagles did, there's 241 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: a lot of RPO stuff with Wentz. Trevor has the 242 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: ability to run that I don't know that they necessarily 243 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: are going to want to expose him to as many 244 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: hits as perhaps Wentz took because the idea eventually with 245 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: Trevor's vn't be a pocket passer. So I think you 246 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: want to be cautious with that. But I think if 247 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 1: you look at the Eagles blueprint when they were good, 248 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: they were an aggressive team. They did a lot of 249 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: analytics based things and a lot of RPO based things. 250 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: The challenge for the Jags and their path this year, 251 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: I think you will see them over time figure out 252 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: what Lawrence does well geared toward that, and that's certainly 253 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: the goal. They've hired five Code, which with quarterback experience. Yeah, 254 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: it is a system right now trying to build Trevor 255 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: Lawrence into what they think Trevor Lawrence can become. They 256 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: have the first overall pick again for the second year 257 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: in a row. Obviously, last year you got the franchise quarterback. 258 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: Hardest thing in the NFL to find this go around, John, Obviously, 259 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: when you only win a couple of games, you still 260 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: have needs. What are those needs and how do they 261 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: match up with this draft in terms of how you 262 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: see it. Yeah, it's a fascinating and try to figure 263 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: out because everybody, or since everybody, many many people are 264 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: projecting Evan Neil, the tackle from Alabama. There. He makes 265 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: sense on one hand because you say, okay, you got 266 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: to build around Trevor Lawrence. Problem is they've had camerabins 267 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: in a left tackle who's a free agent, but they 268 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: can still franchise him for a relatively reasonable amount. You 269 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: drafted a kid named Walker Little last year who played 270 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: in place at cam He started against the Colts. He 271 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: played well left tackle. See, you ask yourself, with all 272 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: these needs, do you really take a left tackle number one? 273 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: You know? Or do you go past as rusher? Well, 274 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: they've got Josh Allen as a pass rusher, so they're 275 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: relatively starting there. But you can never have too many 276 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: pass rushers. So it's a long winded way of saying 277 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: because of the talent they have on the offensive line, 278 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: they've been a good offensive line, not a great offensive line. 279 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: You also couple that with having a draft where you've 280 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: got Evan Neil, but he's not the clear cut number one. 281 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: You have Aiden Hutchinson who people are talking about. You 282 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: have other offensive line when people are talking about it, 283 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: so there's not that plug and play. Oh, we have 284 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: a need, We're gonna take this guy because he's the 285 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: best at that spot. I would guess they go between 286 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:36,359 Speaker 1: Neil and Hutchinson. My gut right now is saying Hutchinson 287 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: because they've got pieces on the line they can plug 288 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: in the offensive line. But that gut is based on 289 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: my gut, which you know after three days to combine, 290 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: isn't that great? You know how that goes. I got 291 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: a question to follow up with Hutchinson. It's kind of 292 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: seemed to be the m of the last handful of 293 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: years is taking you know, an edge product for the Jags. 294 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: You've got Caleb On, Chase On, Josh Allen of recent 295 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: So what is that saying about those guys they already 296 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: have in place if they go after one of these guys, 297 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: or you just look at it as you know, a 298 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: lot of people weigh that whole best player available for need. 299 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: You know, if Aidan Hutchons is a generational guy, is 300 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: that just why it is? Yeah, Josh Allen has been 301 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: hurt in the last couple of years by playing on 302 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: a team that never has a lead. He had ten 303 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: sacks as a rookie. I think he had he was 304 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: hurt in his second year, which was twenty played OK. 305 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: This year when they had a lead, he was pretty 306 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: good as you got against Buffalo. If you have a lead, 307 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: it's much easier as a pass rusher to function. When 308 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: you're not playing with a lead, it's very hard to 309 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: get opportunities. So he is a guy. I expect them 310 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: to sign him to a second contract either this off 311 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: season next offseason. He's a franchise core guy. Chason has 312 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: not lived up. He was a twentieth overall pick in 313 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: the draft. He hasn't been that guy yet. So if 314 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: it's a choice, I don't think having Chase On on 315 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: the roster would certainly preclude them from taking Hutchinson. With 316 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: the fact that a general manager Trent Balky from his 317 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: time in San Francisco is a is a huge edge rusher, 318 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: believes in pressure upfront, believes that you win games that way. 319 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: That pick. If they feel good about the offensive line, 320 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: they would feel great about taking an edge rusher there 321 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: because it's the old thing. You can't have too many. 322 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: Even if Chason winds up the filling potential, you're not 323 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: gonna go wrong having elite You know, three elite pass rushers. 324 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: You can figure out a way to play, Yeah, John, 325 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: last one for me. I mean again, if you look 326 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: at Jacksonville, you know, prior to that Week eighteen game 327 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: against the Colts, they run an eight game losing streak. 328 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: They got housed against New England the week before. The 329 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: last two seasons, as you know, I mean, Jacksonville's four 330 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 1: and twenty nine, but half of their wins are against 331 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: the Colts. They've won seven straight games against the Colts 332 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: as the home team. Why me, Matt, what's the difference? 333 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: Give us? Give us the give us the nuts and 334 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: bolts of your pregame speech to the Jacksonville Jaguars every 335 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: time they play the Colts. It's honestly one of the 336 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: strangest trends because the Jaguars, except for twenty seventeen when 337 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: they beat the Colts up pretty good. They were a 338 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: really good team with really good defense, So that wasn't 339 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: surprising that they were able to hand in Indianapolis that year. 340 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: The others have been a variety of things that this 341 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: was a topic before the last game in Jacksonville, and 342 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: people would ask me, and I kind of pooh pooed 343 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: it because twenty sixteen or was it fifteen they won 344 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: fifty to sixteen, or it was let's see, yeah, yep, 345 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: But it was a complete outlier, and the Colts actually 346 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: were dominating and controlling that game for the first quarter 347 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: and a half, so it wasn't like there was some 348 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: buggaboo that year. But all of a sudden two or 349 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: three things changed and that Jaguars game was easily their 350 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: best performance in a four year period under Gress Bradley 351 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: when they beat the Colts that day. They had one 352 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: in Indy where they took a huge lead. They're not 353 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: really similar games, right, that was the ten sack game 354 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: I think that you're talking about, right, Well, that, yeah, 355 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: I mean in London. Yep, there was a weird game 356 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: where the Jags all of a sudden got a huge 357 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: league in the second hand Andrew Luck was on those teams. 358 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: They fared well when the Colts had an elite quarterback 359 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: and Andrew Luck. They've fared well when the Colts had 360 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: clearly a better roster in the last few years. The 361 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: weirdest one, I guess this past year was weird because 362 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: the Colts were going after the playoffs, but it was 363 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: the opener in twenty twenty and six to nothing in 364 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen six nothing was you know, yeah, now that 365 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: was a very very good Jaguars defense. Yes, that was 366 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: perked that year by an offense that was really crippled 367 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: in a lot of a lot of way. Yeah, they 368 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: came to that game was very similar to their Buffalo 369 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: game this year where they just played lights out. And 370 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: that was also the game I think I think Frank 371 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: went for it down near the goal line when I 372 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: probably could, you know, so, maybe played into their hands 373 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: a little bit. But again here we are talking one 374 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: fifty to six game or fifty to sixteen six nothing 375 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: the opener in twenty twenty when the Jaguars were not 376 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: a good team, and I think the Colts that day 377 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: had a chance to be up fourteen nothing early and 378 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: sort of let the Jags hang around. Then C. J. Henderson, 379 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: who's naming on the Jaguars anymore, has an unbelievable game, 380 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: by far, the best game ever as in Jacksonville. It's 381 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: you know, it just seems like the next year when 382 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: somebody asked me if this is a real thing, I'll 383 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: have to say yes, I think it already is. Yeah, 384 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: it's just but the case I tried to make late 385 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: in the season with It's clearly not psychological because nobody 386 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: on the Colts is thinking about the twenty sixteen game. 387 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: And I can't really believe that this year the Colts 388 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: were coming down and going, oh, Jacksonville has got our number. 389 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: So I think it's just a weird fluke. What see. 390 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: I want to believe you. Yeah, but there's just something 391 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: about the buzz, the rivalry. I mean, as you know, 392 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: I mean that that was the talk all week was 393 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: you're going to a place where you haven't won since X, right, 394 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: and that that was part of it in order to 395 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: make the playoffs. And I'm just curious on the Jaguars 396 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: end today hear that and just relish the fact that 397 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: they could play spoiler, you know, on hard knocks. I 398 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: never got that may have had something in terms of 399 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: being motivated. I honestly think more than anything, that was 400 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: the game where Trevor Lawrence started to play well. He 401 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: he kind of came out and was very relaxed and 402 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: feeling it. Does that explain why the defense all of 403 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: a sudden played that well. I just don't think that. 404 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to me like the Jaguars think about 405 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: it that much. Yeah, maybe the Colts do. I haven't 406 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: been in the Colts locker room in eleven years. Seconds 407 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: let me ask you this. And I know we're beating 408 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: a dead horse and it doesn't matter because it's the 409 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: past and it's all hypothetical anyways. But again, I talked 410 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: about the New England game the week before, in Week 411 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: seventeen fifty to ten. I'm just curious the Colts won 412 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: the toss they deferred. If the Colts get the ball 413 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: first and they go down the field and they score 414 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: a touchdown, does that the Jags just give up? Then? 415 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: I mean, does the does the tone? Does the energy 416 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: of that game completely change? It's always hard to say 417 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: what ifs right? I can tell you the New England 418 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: game from talking to people afterward, they knew going in 419 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: they were in trouble in that game. That was the 420 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: week where they had probably thirty five guys who didn't 421 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: practice because of COVID. Yeah, so, especially on defense. I 422 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: remember getting ready for the game the following weekend and 423 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: thinking who the heck is available? Yeah, they had multiple 424 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: guys and talking to Joe call of the defense coordinator, afterward, 425 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: he said, yeah, you're just up against it. Yeah, when 426 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: you have a defensive secondary asn't practiced the entire week 427 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: against that ad offense. Yea, so maybe that dupe the 428 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: Colts a little bit to think and they were really bad. 429 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: Jaguars defense last year was at times a very good 430 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: unit that was capable if they got in the right 431 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: circumstance to shut you down. They had not played with 432 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 1: a whole lot of leads all last year. The Colts game, 433 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: because Trevor played well early, happened to be a game 434 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: where they got a lead were able to hold it. 435 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: So I'd like to think it's more that than any 436 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: sort of hecks. But you know that matter being with 437 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: the Jags now, I'll take the hats. Yeah, absolutely, I 438 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: think it's real. I think it's real until it's not real, 439 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: let's put it that way. That's John Ozier, senior writer 440 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: from Jaguars dot Com. Former Hoosier still currently a great guy, 441 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: not a former great guy, still going John, Really appreciate 442 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: your time, my friend. Always good to talk to you, 443 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: and welcome back to town anytime. Guys. Thank you