Speaker 1: Welcome into the Command Center Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here
Speaker 1: with Fred Smoot and Santana mas Skies. How was the weekend? Man?
Speaker 2: How was your vacation?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: I missed you.
Speaker 1: Man, I missed you too, Man, I miss both you guys.
Speaker 1: I was coming back on the trip and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I miss those guys. I miss Fred making
Speaker 1: fun of my lack of hair, and how old I
Speaker 1: look at such a nice work environ.
Speaker 3: Now that I look at your legs, you are half
Speaker 3: chi a pit like you do have Harry, just not
Speaker 3: on your head.
Speaker 1: I know I got Harry face, you know, like my
Speaker 1: legs are Harry. I got you, you know.
Speaker 2: But that's what that's that's what I missed.
Speaker 4: I missed the vacation. I don't miss you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're to Orlando, right, Yeah? That man I had.
Speaker 4: I had a good time. Man, it was much needed.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: My daughter turned seven Congress in the June, and two
Speaker 5: years ago I promised her Orlando because all the other
Speaker 5: kids we was like, you know, especially knowing my playing years,
Speaker 5: Harry all season was like yeah, the same old. So
Speaker 5: all the kids got those experiences, but her, and I
Speaker 5: think I was trying to do around the COVID time,
Speaker 5: and COVID happened, and COVID changed the rules.
Speaker 2: They changed everything.
Speaker 1: You have to.
Speaker 5: Basically reserve your tickets before you get it. You can't
Speaker 5: just come there like I used to do and just
Speaker 5: buy the ticket. So two years, three years later, I'm
Speaker 5: finally taking her. She put pressure on me, so I
Speaker 5: made sure that the pressure.
Speaker 1: I was just reading something that said that a tendants
Speaker 1: of the parture downand was it busy or was it
Speaker 1: kind of like chill? No, it was busy. So they're
Speaker 1: lying in the media.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I used to do a lot of that stuff unconsciously.
Speaker 5: Now I'm very conscious about everything I do. Spend all
Speaker 5: that stuff, you know why. And I'm like, I was
Speaker 5: paying as much for these tickets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, listen, the older we get, the sheep,
Speaker 2: we get.
Speaker 4: My line passed that university was two hundred forty dollars
Speaker 4: per person.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I was like.
Speaker 4: Boy, they better have a good time.
Speaker 2: I'm about a thousand dollars to skip a line.
Speaker 4: Man, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: But guess what she had a great time. She already
Speaker 5: talking about next year. Yeah, I did my job, same
Speaker 5: thing again.
Speaker 2: Next year is that it's always something different.
Speaker 4: But Disney should always be on my list.
Speaker 5: Just because I have those kids that that that young,
Speaker 5: you want to give them that experience every year. I mean,
Speaker 5: that was something that I experienced. My mother, her siblings experience.
Speaker 5: Why not give her the same?
Speaker 2: Well did you ride in the Rise? Because I don't
Speaker 2: ride Rise anymore like Vertigo. I don't have then test
Speaker 2: and afford.
Speaker 4: To do it anymore.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't have the love like I think
Speaker 3: it was the year before last we went down to
Speaker 3: U Bush Guarden.
Speaker 2: We went to.
Speaker 3: Bush Guardens, my kids talking me to getting on the
Speaker 3: new ride they had just opened up.
Speaker 2: No, it was the I don't know what it was,
Speaker 2: but I lost. I almost threw up.
Speaker 3: I wish I had a pamp on it and that
Speaker 3: when I realized then that thrill seeking I used to
Speaker 3: have it's gone.
Speaker 2: I'm a shell of myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah we are.
Speaker 4: We are.
Speaker 5: We're much older than those those days where we had
Speaker 5: fun riding Rise. I didn't go there with that intention,
Speaker 5: but to make sure that I enjoyed the time with them.
Speaker 1: I got on right. You do like Disneyland.
Speaker 4: So we're Disney the world in the world first because
Speaker 4: you know Disneyland.
Speaker 1: Right, those rights are pretty chill.
Speaker 4: Yeah, VERSU was more than that was Sunday Saturday.
Speaker 1: Getting scared just looking at those rights.
Speaker 2: I can't do it anymore. I'm a cow like. I
Speaker 2: hate to say it. I did have a rash.
Speaker 5: So check it if you go to university, get on
Speaker 5: the I believe it's the what's the Dinosaur movie? That
Speaker 5: everyone that's the men? Trust me, Bro, I lost my mind.
Speaker 5: But it was so much fun. I was like, Bro,
Speaker 5: I do it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome, that's great, a ton of fun. So
Speaker 1: speaking of a ton of fun, man, we got the
Speaker 1: NFL Top one hundred players that's coming out Washington. Hopefully
Speaker 1: we'll have some guys on this list. Yeah right, I
Speaker 1: think this. I think this year. It feels like it's
Speaker 1: gonna be this. This is hole bunch of guys. Easy
Speaker 1: do we have who are like kind of the top
Speaker 1: guys you think are gonna make this list?
Speaker 4: I'm start because I know Fred one of those guys.
Speaker 4: He got excited.
Speaker 1: I know he's gonna say, like five thousand people, people
Speaker 1: from different teams.
Speaker 5: Sure we should have three guys. Okay, we got and
Speaker 5: we said the names, you know, before we.
Speaker 4: Got on air, Payne, Allen and.
Speaker 5: Terry to me those because you know, you look at
Speaker 5: this top one hundred, We're not talking about just overall.
Speaker 4: We're talking about that season. Yeah, last year alone.
Speaker 5: And when I look at the position by position, those
Speaker 5: guys all dominate their position. You know, they was all
Speaker 5: they was in the top leading. They weren't just leaders
Speaker 5: on their team in the division, in the league. Their
Speaker 5: numbers stood out amongst other guys who play in the position.
Speaker 5: So if we send the top one hundred, they have
Speaker 5: to be up there. I mean, it's one hundred guys.
Speaker 3: You got to pick between thirty two teams, Mike, average
Speaker 3: two players.
Speaker 2: Maybe I got a wild card.
Speaker 1: For you to take. You to steal one from our producer.
Speaker 2: You just you No, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 2: a thief like that. Tris Way.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm just saying I think he could SQUI he's
Speaker 3: in there because they gonna at least take two pounds
Speaker 3: at least Has there ever been a play in the
Speaker 3: top one hundred justin Tunker the kicker.
Speaker 1: Offensive That's that's interesting value there So is a punter
Speaker 1: the same value as a good kicker. I don't do
Speaker 1: as a defense, it's a defensive he's a position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he changes the field.
Speaker 5: He's like one of the top key elements of the defense. Like, hey,
Speaker 5: pinus pin him back there, We got you.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I mean, you watch our games if when we needed.
Speaker 5: To play Trestwaite was pinning somebody deep and our defense
Speaker 5: was coming through, and then we were sitting there waiting
Speaker 5: on the offense to make come on, find a way
Speaker 5: to get you know, get a drive on.
Speaker 4: So no, I'm sorry I didn't I left his name.
Speaker 4: I wasn't even thinking.
Speaker 5: That the players surprises are gonna be our MVP.
Speaker 1: On his team And I'm just saying, and you got
Speaker 1: Cam Carroll yep, Cam Curls and another sneaky one. So
Speaker 1: my question to you would be like, you know, we've
Speaker 1: got terrry On here, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's usually between ten and fifteen receivers on the list,
Speaker 1: Like where does he follow in that hierarchy for you?
Speaker 1: Like is he going to be a top fifty guy
Speaker 1: or is he going to just kind of squeak into
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 3: I think he'll probably squeak in because, unlike the rest
Speaker 3: of the receivers, I respect him because he hasn't had
Speaker 3: that quarterback. He continues to make right and I think
Speaker 3: that's going to hurt him when you try to compare
Speaker 3: him to aj Brown. How you try to compare him
Speaker 3: to Jamar Chase, Well, the one thing he doesn't have
Speaker 3: is they running mate.
Speaker 5: See one of the things that and Fred hit it
Speaker 5: on the head. I think, what when we get to
Speaker 5: judging these guys and you know, being critical about who's
Speaker 5: the best, they look at numbers, they don't look at
Speaker 5: the circumstances. Yeah, and I think his circumstances should allow
Speaker 5: him to be in the top one hundred, because if
Speaker 5: you're doing it like this, then man, you don't one
Speaker 5: of the best.
Speaker 1: With Carson Wentz, I'm really glad you brought that up
Speaker 1: because you I don't know if you ever voted for
Speaker 1: a top one hundred player, right that was howter you
Speaker 1: retired right?
Speaker 2: Not to retiren Tenna.
Speaker 1: You remember doing this? I was, yeah, I was in
Speaker 1: I was in the league still to do this. They
Speaker 1: used to drop off the top one hundred sheet in
Speaker 1: the in the in the in the room, and you
Speaker 1: had to do it before you could leave the building.
Speaker 1: So I remember going in there with all the other
Speaker 1: tight ends and literally being like who who is on
Speaker 1: Sports Center? Like that's how we did it. Guys would
Speaker 1: pick you, and so to me, I think one of
Speaker 1: the things is like Terry, for example.
Speaker 2: Ain't a household like the rest.
Speaker 1: I think that hurts him a little bit. But you're right.
Speaker 5: But a lot of these guys are different now because
Speaker 5: they're looking at it. See when we was playing, guys
Speaker 5: will not going to pick a guy who torched him.
Speaker 4: Now, I ain't putting him on you know. I'm the
Speaker 4: same way with the pro bow pro Bow.
Speaker 5: They were like, I ain't putting the putting them on there.
Speaker 5: These days, these guys are more friendlier to each other.
Speaker 5: They understand, they watch it.
Speaker 4: You know, it's so much.
Speaker 5: Football media, I mean media is everywhere now you can
Speaker 5: watch it on your phone. So they seeing what Terry's
Speaker 5: doing over here. You know, quietly he's dominating, you know.
Speaker 5: And so the reason why I look at Terry is
Speaker 5: getting he gets love from his peers more than he
Speaker 5: might get loved from the outlet. Intereship with that, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But you gotta realized Trayvon Diggs smoked him, Big play
Speaker 3: slave smoked him like every time the opponent.
Speaker 2: He goes and gets and that, and there's a dB.
Speaker 3: I respect the guy that ain't playing with Peyton Manny
Speaker 3: more than I respect the guy to do.
Speaker 4: And he's doing it quietly. He's not beating his chest.
Speaker 4: He's not.
Speaker 1: That hurts him. You know. It was like as a teammate,
Speaker 1: I love, I love everything Terry does. He's quiet about
Speaker 1: his work, but like for him to get.
Speaker 2: He don't sell itself.
Speaker 4: That does hurt when it comes to nationally.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, because you know, you hear
Speaker 5: about the guys that did all that because you saw
Speaker 5: him celebrating in ESPN, you know, had that clip.
Speaker 4: But when I'm talking about peer to peer, those guys
Speaker 4: like man, I'm glad he didn't show up. He showed
Speaker 4: me up.
Speaker 1: But he deserved my vote. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Quite a good point playing in the NFC, which is
Speaker 3: that the vision that gets all the eyes on it,
Speaker 3: And that's a good the New York Giants.
Speaker 1: Especialist last year. Yes, so yeah, So then my next
Speaker 1: question is Paint and Allen. Who's higher on the list.
Speaker 1: Usually with the top twenty fire that's top one hundred, right,
Speaker 1: Usually it's the guy that's been more consistently good, that's
Speaker 1: rated higher. But Pain had such a big.
Speaker 3: I feel say Pain jumped him last year because on
Speaker 3: the list, what have you done for me lately?
Speaker 2: That's the whole thing.
Speaker 3: And then you know, we love to get a new
Speaker 3: guy a lot more love than the old guy, the
Speaker 3: guy that been here doing it for years and year.
Speaker 5: Will say this, and I don't want to say it
Speaker 5: in the wrong way. Just being a guy in this
Speaker 5: league and knowing how folks will view you, I'm I'm
Speaker 5: pretty sure that every officer line look at John Allen
Speaker 5: like that's that's I want to see him.
Speaker 4: But when they look at.
Speaker 5: Pain, they be like, that's a freak of nature. You
Speaker 5: do things he does, and you have to compare the two.
Speaker 5: He's the freak, he's the dog, and they all have
Speaker 5: both of it in him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: But John seems to be that guy that he's gonna
Speaker 5: consistently be just on where you're behind down bring the
Speaker 5: same intensity and pain as that guy. They scratching their
Speaker 5: head like why is he so fast, explosive and being
Speaker 5: at this side, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 4: Why how can he do all these things at this side.
Speaker 5: So that's to me, when it comes to comparing those two,
Speaker 5: you can't say one is better than the other.
Speaker 4: You just say they just have different you know, levels
Speaker 4: of themselves.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I think that's really insightful. Tan.
Speaker 1: I think the thing that gets me is like how
Speaker 1: does the league see them? Because we see him every day,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So like, you know, like
Speaker 1: we know Allen's this kind of hard nosed leader, and
Speaker 1: we know Pain is a good athlete. But I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see how the league using. My other question is
Speaker 1: that it is one of those guys the best defensive
Speaker 1: tackle in the division or will there be another guy
Speaker 1: from the division that's higher on the.
Speaker 2: List where they like to put Lawn Dexter Lawrence up
Speaker 2: there from New York.
Speaker 1: You hear that name all the time, but he played
Speaker 1: like he balled this last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then gro just left Philadelphia. But they also
Speaker 3: still have Jordan Davis and then they did.
Speaker 1: Dre but he will make the Listen.
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying is, if you look at it,
Speaker 3: the Cowboys don't got a d tackle like out of
Speaker 3: the tackles, Yes, they are the best pair the question
Speaker 3: is who who was the best one of those in
Speaker 3: the division right now?
Speaker 1: So I think, well, i'd say Lawrence is probably headed
Speaker 1: and then it'll be painting Allen. Is that what you're thinking?
Speaker 4: So was Lawrence played last year better than anyone about?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I think he had twelve and a
Speaker 1: half sacks.
Speaker 4: He had, That's what That's how we compared.
Speaker 1: Compare up the numbers, you know what I mean. That's
Speaker 1: a good point.
Speaker 5: You can probably put those guys side by side and say,
Speaker 5: you know, hey, they can you know.
Speaker 1: And also I will say Lawrence had that dominant I
Speaker 1: think at twelve tackles in the playoff game, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 3: At the end of the year, Lawrence really turned it on.
Speaker 3: He turned especially against us, he turned it on.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that that's interesting. So I'm really
Speaker 1: glad you brought this up. I'm trust was the surprise
Speaker 1: of the day for me, Fred like I got I'm
Speaker 1: smiling still because of that.
Speaker 2: I give props Well, props are doing the townail shows
Speaker 2: and Trust.
Speaker 4: Has been the MVP for us.
Speaker 1: Yes, But the one, the one that I really am
Speaker 1: interested in is Cam craw because you look at the
Speaker 1: PFF grade He's the highest graded PFF safety. We know
Speaker 1: when he's absent from the defense, like what he does
Speaker 1: when I you know, I did a Cam crow breakdown
Speaker 1: last week. He is everywhere. He plays linebacker, plays nickel,
Speaker 1: plays safety. His value is uncalculable. But he doesn't have
Speaker 1: the numbers right.
Speaker 5: And I was gonna say the reason why, you know
Speaker 5: and Cam Curll, like when you ask me one of
Speaker 5: my favorite players on the team right now, I tell you, guys,
Speaker 5: Cam Crell is one of my favorite.
Speaker 1: Uh being a receiver.
Speaker 5: I watch him a lot, just knowing you know, what
Speaker 5: he brings and and how you know you have to
Speaker 5: be that quarterback back there. You know, he remind me
Speaker 5: of Ed Read a little bit. You know, he can
Speaker 5: play every position, peop. It didn't give Ed Read that
Speaker 5: credit that he can play in a box anywhere.
Speaker 4: You know, he can play anywhere. Will line up and
Speaker 4: play your damn.
Speaker 2: Best best received calls and force to the house.
Speaker 5: The difference, the difference because the reason why I think
Speaker 5: they will look at Cam Curll and greet them a
Speaker 5: little lord. And when we see him, and I'm saying
Speaker 5: where we see him because of the amount of times
Speaker 5: he touches the ball. He changes the field, you know,
Speaker 5: and you want a safety to be able to change
Speaker 5: the field with interceptions and you know, force fumbels or
Speaker 5: pick up you know, you know, from recoveries and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. So that's where I say that the league
Speaker 5: might not view him as that valuable to be in
Speaker 5: this list.
Speaker 1: But he's one of my guys, so you know, I
Speaker 1: always you know.
Speaker 3: And he's more Brian Dawkins to me because he's such
Speaker 3: a box animal. He like more Brian Dalkin. He bring
Speaker 3: a certain intensity put like this. It's a defensive backs,
Speaker 3: a super smart player. I know when he on the
Speaker 3: field and when he's not on the field because I
Speaker 3: can tell about the defensive backs, how they talk, how
Speaker 3: they communicate, everything's totally different when he's on the field.
Speaker 3: So I think his his worth to this team is
Speaker 3: a lot more than his physical play. I think it's
Speaker 3: his mental makeup in his leadership.
Speaker 1: So do you think other players around the league recognize that?
Speaker 5: I think that's what this listen is and that's what
Speaker 5: I'm and that's what I'm questioning, like, do they know
Speaker 5: how valuable he is?
Speaker 3: No, because he ain't got the playoff games. You know,
Speaker 3: this is where you make your name. This is the
Speaker 3: way you separate yourself.
Speaker 1: So I think the turnovers, I think that's another Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not.
Speaker 2: Like like Defro like people will probably be like, No.
Speaker 2: Twenty two was around the ball so much and made
Speaker 2: so many plays.
Speaker 4: But we know when on the field we're in trouble,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So so I think I think that's a good kind
Speaker 1: of consensus there, Terry Allen Payne hopefully Cam. I think
Speaker 1: trust deserves it. But obviously yeah, so will he make
Speaker 1: it's no respect, But that would be interesting. Anybody that
Speaker 1: this is something I wanted to ask you, Fred, anybody
Speaker 1: for this upcoming season, based on the new offense, based
Speaker 1: on the new defense, you think has a shot to
Speaker 1: make it in uh twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Listen, I just I look for the oddities and the
Speaker 3: oddities on offense. To me, the guys that you can't quantify,
Speaker 3: they don't they don't look like they're supposed to.
Speaker 2: Curtis Samuels and Antonio Gibbs.
Speaker 3: I just feel like in this offense, they're going to
Speaker 3: make plays in space like nobody knows, like I know
Speaker 3: how a West Coast offense does.
Speaker 2: Like they take their number one and they use their
Speaker 2: number one receiver.
Speaker 3: To open it up for everybody else. Is they attack
Speaker 3: the field vertically and horizontally. And I think when they
Speaker 3: attack the horizontally, it's gonna be two guys on their table,
Speaker 3: and that's gonna be a g and it's gonna be curtisself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think any other one that would
Speaker 1: kind of sneaking there for me is maybe Logan Thomas. Maybe,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: If Logan Logan is due for something more because of
Speaker 5: just alone, we're having a new quarterback.
Speaker 4: He needs to know who's his safety net, and Logan
Speaker 4: is the tight end.
Speaker 5: So the safety there is always gonna be that guy
Speaker 5: inside where you don't have to Hey, rest sure.
Speaker 4: If you can't see it, you can't read it, dump
Speaker 4: it down, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean that would be a hug.
Speaker 2: That would be this car really sitting stuff up.
Speaker 1: I think I think Logan Thomas would because again he
Speaker 1: just had such a good spring, you know, he just
Speaker 1: had such a good catching the football. So I thought, Man,
Speaker 1: if there's a guy Gibson, Gibson Logan, I didn't even
Speaker 1: think about Curtis.
Speaker 4: You know we all know as players too.
Speaker 5: Man, just how how much weight come off your shoulders
Speaker 5: when you when your body is intactice?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Logan, I can just imagine what he felt last year.
Speaker 4: He couldn't even walk been in those shoes.
Speaker 5: He gutted that season out. He looked like he was
Speaker 5: just sitting out there, like, you know, I don't Kelly.
Speaker 4: Throw me the ball that I want to be here.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna show up.
Speaker 2: I've been that receiver.
Speaker 4: I've been a receiver. I had a hamstring pull. No
Speaker 4: one knew about it.
Speaker 5: Put my hamstream the two days before the damn game,
Speaker 5: and I didn't tell no one.
Speaker 4: I went to got worked on train and say, hey,
Speaker 4: I don't want you to playing.
Speaker 2: I gotta play.
Speaker 4: I got to be on the field. He was like,
Speaker 4: why damn. I'm like, bro, I just don't want to miss.
Speaker 4: And I literally good it out.
Speaker 5: Had three catches for fifteen yards against the Eagles and
Speaker 5: we beat them on like a Sunday night or Monday night.
Speaker 5: And no one knew I had a hamstring pull and
Speaker 5: that's all they gave me. But I was happy with
Speaker 5: that because I showed up for my team. So when
Speaker 5: I watched the logan last year. I was just grunting
Speaker 5: something like, I need to know the pain he's been
Speaker 5: doing right now, and he just want to be out there.
Speaker 4: He want to make sure that he hold his part down.
Speaker 5: Because one of the things that people fail to realize
Speaker 5: that's being a football player. It's not all about how
Speaker 5: many catches, it's not all about how many touchdowns, playing
Speaker 5: our positions. It's about did you do your job to
Speaker 5: be that decoy, did you do your job to be
Speaker 5: that blocker, or just being there for your team because
Speaker 5: you was that one key guy that you wanted to
Speaker 5: make sure the other team keyed on for somebody else
Speaker 5: can show up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's a great point. So I think that
Speaker 1: kind of segues nicely, like obviously this is the best
Speaker 1: players on the team now, right, But I think Chris
Speaker 1: Simms came out with a list, right, Uh, what is it?
Speaker 1: Finalists for best player of the twenty first century excluding
Speaker 1: quarterbacks for this team.
Speaker 2: Exclude quarterback they have they are not likely to.
Speaker 1: But also I don't know if there'd be a I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess, Yesny don't. We don't. We don't have anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great point. Sorry, I was getting ahead of myself.
Speaker 1: So the guys that he's got on the list are
Speaker 1: drum roll, please, our very own Santana Moss deserved. I
Speaker 1: think that's well deserved as well.
Speaker 3: Trenton Williams, I love, but I think people keep forgetting
Speaker 3: about Chris Samuels.
Speaker 2: I think people keep forgetting about six scrape.
Speaker 1: He was in the nineties, right, Chris was with me
Speaker 1: in the two thousands.
Speaker 2: He played with he got drafted in.
Speaker 4: Two thousands, two thousands, he got him in the Boa ye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he finished in twenty teen.
Speaker 1: Finished like yo.
Speaker 4: He was here before we got right right right right.
Speaker 1: The time we got yeah, because I remember he was
Speaker 1: still coaching. He was like an assistant the first year
Speaker 1: he coached, Yeah, coach one year. Oh yeah. So and
Speaker 1: then London Fletcher and Ryan Kerrigan, D'Angel hall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see. No, Sean Taylor, I'm sorry, but it's
Speaker 2: I mean, I just.
Speaker 4: Think that, you know, and I'm gonna be really real
Speaker 4: with you. I appreciate, you know, being in that list.
Speaker 1: The hell I was here. I was here.
Speaker 5: I was able to go out there and play and
Speaker 5: perform and probably get a little a lot of that
Speaker 5: recognition Uh, it's a couple of guys I can easily
Speaker 5: say we can.
Speaker 1: Put in there. So, yeah, who would you?
Speaker 4: I throw a Porters in there. I throw Chris Samuels
Speaker 4: in there. Hell, I threw smooth and the smooth play
Speaker 4: long enough, and he was dominant on his team.
Speaker 1: You were put there. I'll put him in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I don't really know that much about your career,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like put like this.
Speaker 3: I paired up with me and cham Bailey to start off,
Speaker 3: me and Sewan Springs, me and and Twine when Field,
Speaker 3: me and d how me and Colos Rogers. I've always
Speaker 3: paired up with pretty good come We all played. We
Speaker 3: only played man and man like that was our thing.
Speaker 3: And I had to check the t Os of the world,
Speaker 3: the Joey Galloways of the world, the random uses of
Speaker 3: the world, and as you look, I'm not on any
Speaker 3: of their highlights. I was the second corner ever to
Speaker 3: go a whole entire season in O seven without giving
Speaker 3: up a touchdown. So I've had my spurts, but I
Speaker 3: would just I just throw shunning it because I'm about dominant.
Speaker 3: How many games did I play in that somebody changed
Speaker 3: like Lebar had some games in my early years that
Speaker 3: he changed the game for us. But when Sean got here,
Speaker 3: that's that was different. Like I watched him dictate games
Speaker 3: in a way that I hadn't watched anybody do that.
Speaker 2: So I just I know it was short. I know
Speaker 2: it was short lived. I know four seasons. I know,
Speaker 2: I know it was short lived. But I'm about dominant.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 5: He was dumbinant And just to kind of, you know,
Speaker 5: piggyback off of him speaking on that, That's where I
Speaker 5: was at when I watch this list.
Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for acknowledge of me.
Speaker 4: I think I did what I had to do here.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know when I when I grade players, when I
Speaker 5: grave myself, I look at the widespread you know, I
Speaker 5: look at Okay, what did you do for the team
Speaker 5: that you played for?
Speaker 4: One?
Speaker 5: So you can check that off with me, Tanna, you
Speaker 5: did everything? What did you do for that room that
Speaker 5: you you played in?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: I was one of those dominant guys in that room,
Speaker 4: whether through all.
Speaker 5: The years I played, you know what I mean, whether
Speaker 5: I was the first guy or in the slot, I
Speaker 5: was dominant at that position.
Speaker 4: Then I said, okay, what did you do in.
Speaker 5: The division, What did you do as a whole in
Speaker 5: the league? And then what names stand out of this list?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Three?
Speaker 5: Three names will say that I can say that stands out,
Speaker 5: you know when it comes to just looking at that
Speaker 5: from the widespread of their whole career. Here, Trent, Williams,
Speaker 5: London and Ryan you know, I think they was all
Speaker 5: dominant in all those I mean, check out the box
Speaker 5: and all those now and then now now now two
Speaker 5: names stand out the most.
Speaker 4: Trent in London because when we talk about best at
Speaker 4: what they're doing, the best that they position, Trent was
Speaker 4: arguably the.
Speaker 2: Best left tack still is and tesday to day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, while he was here and since he's been gone. Yeah, London, London.
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying pro bow every year that he dominates, that.
Speaker 4: Tells you enough.
Speaker 1: He's the best offensive tackle of his generation.
Speaker 5: So when so I put that in, okay, so boom.
Speaker 5: Now he moves up the ladder. Londonably the best.
Speaker 2: His numbers mimic Ray Lewis, he's better. He got some
Speaker 2: numbers better than.
Speaker 5: Ray, But there was so many other guys that they
Speaker 5: probably gave a better, gave a not too in London.
Speaker 5: But I knew what he meant to us. So when
Speaker 5: I when I when I compare all that, I would say,
Speaker 5: the one guy that stands out on this list will
Speaker 5: just be Trent.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I would I would say if I had to pick
Speaker 5: from these guys right here, even myself included, I'm not
Speaker 5: finishing here, and I'm gonna be real Trent Williams because
Speaker 5: he domin dominated, and he always was a Pro Bowl player,
Speaker 5: just like Chris Sam, and we don't have Christian. Chris
Speaker 5: Sam went to the Pro Bowl every year, domb every year, dominant,
Speaker 5: you know, years the.
Speaker 4: Fact Chris was not on this list. I'm picking from
Speaker 4: this list Trent, Trent Wins Wins.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know, because I have I obviously played
Speaker 1: with Trent. I like Trent a lot. He was we
Speaker 1: dropped it the same year, all that stuff. I always
Speaker 1: wonder because he's so dominant now with the forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: if people kind of confound that because he was really
Speaker 1: really really good here, but now he's dominant. He's amazing.
Speaker 2: When you had injury, why is it?
Speaker 4: See the game changes when you get a little older.
Speaker 5: That's why you know, I love talking about just game
Speaker 5: and how they weed the old players out.
Speaker 4: When we was around, but when we came in, all
Speaker 4: the old players were still there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was giving us the game and we were sitting
Speaker 5: there scratching our head like why is he still here?
Speaker 4: Because that's what you need.
Speaker 5: And the teams got crazy in our generation tried to
Speaker 5: weave us. But then you saw them soon as they realized, Okay,
Speaker 5: now let's keep these old quarterbacks around.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: We're keeping the old quarterback, but we're gonna we the
Speaker 4: skial guys out.
Speaker 5: That don't make sense because you need those guys, even
Speaker 5: if they can't play on the caliber or the level
Speaker 5: that they played on when they came in. Their knowledge
Speaker 5: of the game is everything I used to sitting there,
Speaker 5: me and Trent had signs when I knew a guy
Speaker 5: was coming hot when I'm in a slot, and I
Speaker 5: mean I hit Trent or say something that Trent was like,
Speaker 5: I got you, and he knew to pick up that
Speaker 5: guy because we had little keys, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And that's what separates you from certain guys. But that
Speaker 5: don't come up on the stat sheit. You know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. You're playing the game within the game. Your
Speaker 5: IQ is now on the level of man I don't
Speaker 5: saw at all. So you know that's what I sit
Speaker 5: and rave about when I see some of the guys
Speaker 5: like Trent, who's still around.
Speaker 4: He played off of just his athleticism when he played
Speaker 4: with us. I did that. I told many stories about
Speaker 4: not watching film, just beating the guy.
Speaker 5: But when I had that last knee surgery, that third
Speaker 5: knee surgery in twenty ten, oh, I don't feel that
Speaker 5: gear or two that I had. Now it's time to
Speaker 5: beat him with my mind, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: That's what Trent doing. He still has the he's still
Speaker 5: having athleticism, has that aggressive but his mineus, His mine
Speaker 5: is superb. Now he's on a level like no other
Speaker 5: because he has the knowledge. He's he don't play so
Speaker 5: many games.
Speaker 2: And he happy. I could always tell when the player happy,
Speaker 2: like he's happy.
Speaker 1: Where he is now is yeah, yeah, yeah. So another one.
Speaker 1: So a couple of questions here. One, Ryan Kerrigan not
Speaker 1: getting a lot of love. Right well, all time all
Speaker 1: time leader in uh sacks for franchise history, right yeah.
Speaker 1: In terms of a guy you could just set your
Speaker 1: watch by. Yeah, he was gonna play, He's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be there when you meet him.
Speaker 4: Ryan Carrigan undoubtedly did what he had to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, But guess what the thing about it? If
Speaker 3: I look at him and say, who's complete?
Speaker 1: Meaning no weaknesses?
Speaker 3: The one thing we can say about Ryan he gonna
Speaker 3: pass rush, but you can run at it.
Speaker 2: And this is what teams did. They've ran at him.
Speaker 1: Sure, So.
Speaker 3: Out of all the guys, I think him and d
Speaker 3: how would be the ones where this when people start
Speaker 3: the augur for Shun Taylor, the start the augur for
Speaker 3: somebody else.
Speaker 2: But no, these guys did the job. Don't get the trust.
Speaker 2: They did the job at the highest level.
Speaker 1: Who would you put defensively from a defensive lineman standpoint,
Speaker 1: who would you put ahead of Ryan like? I mean
Speaker 1: just from like, I can't think of anybody. I don't
Speaker 1: think no about. The one would be like Rack. Maybe
Speaker 1: he was right.
Speaker 2: Rack didn't have a lot of pass moves.
Speaker 4: Rack was so undersize for what he for what we
Speaker 4: asked him to do.
Speaker 5: He wasn't in the right defense. Hands down, he wasn't
Speaker 5: in the right defense. And I don't even know all
Speaker 5: of now, but I can just watch him. Levars started
Speaker 5: out fast.
Speaker 3: Only two years he started out fast, but Greg Williams
Speaker 3: injuries I think sidetracked.
Speaker 2: Him a little.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think Ryan seems obvious. Defensive back D'Angelo Hall,
Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned.
Speaker 2: Sean Taylor is my my vote defensive back?
Speaker 3: Like because I listen, I have had I have had
Speaker 3: the privilege to play with five Hall famous. I think
Speaker 3: in the defensive backfield, I didn't played with the chimp Bayley's.
Speaker 2: I played with dal Green. I had the like Shun
Speaker 2: was the one that stuck out over all of them.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry he was. He was just that different. And
Speaker 2: I'm not not saying it because I'm his friend. I'm
Speaker 2: saying because this is the truth. That's how I felt.
Speaker 1: I feel.
Speaker 4: Given credit when credits due. De Hall deserves to be
Speaker 4: on the list.
Speaker 5: But like I said before, when you're just saying that,
Speaker 5: who's that one guy on this list that stands out,
Speaker 5: it is what it is. I think Trent Williams get
Speaker 5: the nod over London, and I think London was superb.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying supposed to already. I'm just
Speaker 4: looking at the wise.
Speaker 5: You know when I say when the league said Trent Williams,
Speaker 5: that's how you saw it, you know, they didn't. They
Speaker 5: didn't do that with London, but London punched him in
Speaker 5: the face every time he played them. So at the
Speaker 5: end of the day, all you gotta respect London, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, And we know what he meant
Speaker 5: for this team. I know what he meant as me
Speaker 5: being a player on the team with him. Like I
Speaker 5: was listening, you know what I'm saying. I watched, I
Speaker 5: sat there and new when the defense need to make
Speaker 5: a play London and to come through. But I'm just
Speaker 5: saying when we when were talking about these guys on
Speaker 5: this list, Trent just stands out from the consecutive Pro Bowls,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I think London got robbed almost every year of a
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Every year he could, he got robbed, but Trent was
Speaker 4: there and he's still dominating to this day.
Speaker 1: That's gonna say one thing about London. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think Trent is the freakiest dude I ever played with
Speaker 1: in my whole life. And I played with like Julio Jones,
Speaker 1: I played with some of the freakiest guys in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He is a man apart, Yeah, London. Fletcher from like
Speaker 1: kind of the moral fiber of his was like that
Speaker 1: is his superpower. He was a great athlete, but his leadership,
Speaker 1: his drive, his focus, Like to me, like that's where
Speaker 1: I would say.
Speaker 4: You didn't get that. You didn't. You didn't never look
Speaker 4: at London.
Speaker 5: Like as if he was like an older brother or
Speaker 5: uncle when you played with him, Like you know, I'm
Speaker 5: just saying, like his demeanor in the locker room and
Speaker 5: on the field was almost like regardless of how much
Speaker 5: we are on the same level, I always looked at
Speaker 5: him and like you're the guy.
Speaker 1: You're the guy, You're the guy next. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm I got a funny story.
Speaker 5: I never and I'm an offensive guy, so I never
Speaker 5: had to really sit up there and go, you know,
Speaker 5: ask London any questions.
Speaker 4: I just knew that London Fletcher leading the defense. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like we got.
Speaker 5: A middle linebacker, London Fletcher. I ain't worried about what's
Speaker 5: going on over there because he don't have it.
Speaker 1: You know, I got a funny story about London. So
Speaker 1: I remember, like, you know, you get hurt, right, you know,
Speaker 1: turn turn my mcl separate mac joint and I come
Speaker 1: he come in the training room and like look over
Speaker 1: the little partition there and be like, hey, what you got?
Speaker 1: And oh, man, you know spray mac joint. He looked
Speaker 1: at me like, oh you're all right, Like, man, I
Speaker 1: can't even lift my arm up right now. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know what I did? And I was like, no, flesh,
Speaker 1: what's up. He's like, they take my arm to my
Speaker 1: to my body. When I did mac johint, I played
Speaker 1: the rest of the game. L I tore my mcl
Speaker 1: and don't tell you I didn't miss a practice. I
Speaker 1: just remember thinking, like that's the standard man. Like he's
Speaker 1: a guy who shows tremendous physical courage, tremendous leadership and
Speaker 1: so yeah, London is a guy that I think is
Speaker 1: a shitting Okay, So little departure from football here. We
Speaker 1: got something favorite offseason traditions. I'm gonna punt on that.
Speaker 1: I got a question for you guys. You see that
Speaker 1: picture of Patrick Mahome's house where he's got like about.
Speaker 3: The basketball, I mean, baseball, football, gospelall all that stuff.
Speaker 2: That's what five hundred million gets.
Speaker 1: So what I want to know is, if you had
Speaker 1: one thing you can put in your house, what is
Speaker 1: that one thing. Is it like the movie theater?
Speaker 2: Is it the movie is played out? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What we got?
Speaker 2: I want a waterfowl right now?
Speaker 1: A water what?
Speaker 2: I want to war? I just want to any house.
Speaker 1: You know, you can put it anywhere, Tana like you
Speaker 1: could be like I want, I want. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like a jungle gym. I don't know. Whatever you want
Speaker 1: man skyland. But one thing waterfall.
Speaker 2: I'm about tranquility, right what what what? I want to
Speaker 2: hear water falling when I'm going to refrigerating, But it's
Speaker 2: in the how big is your house?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: What do we gotta listen?
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the waterfowl. It's just like the whole
Speaker 2: wall like twelve feet tall and just water dread.
Speaker 1: And you could have anything like personal chefs and you
Speaker 1: want I cook for myself.
Speaker 2: I want a waterfall, man, do don't get made what
Speaker 2: you want?
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm just so blown away by that. I
Speaker 1: don't even know. It's like a big water fall is
Speaker 1: like louder is it just want to wall.
Speaker 4: Waterfall that's not really loud. I've seen people have like
Speaker 4: you you know what I mean. So it's not like
Speaker 4: something that that that's I'm.
Speaker 2: A little surprised by asking what about you, tam.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know me, man, I'm basic, bro, I'm so simple.
Speaker 1: You got something you want in there?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I might. I might want a chef.
Speaker 1: Che would be every day.
Speaker 2: That's just me because I to make muffins the whole day.
Speaker 5: No, I mean that's what that's on the lunch today
Speaker 5: because I don't want to. I don't want to eat
Speaker 5: all that crap. I mean, so I want to I'm
Speaker 5: going to go ahead and settle for the muffin. But no,
Speaker 5: because that's the prime reason someone that's gonna cook.
Speaker 4: What I want. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 4: on the dime, like when I need it, it's.
Speaker 5: All prepared, is ready. That's what I would need in
Speaker 5: my house. Other than that, I don't need nothing to describe. Again,
Speaker 5: I can have a chef in the apartment or a
Speaker 5: damn damn condo.
Speaker 4: Fall I care.
Speaker 1: I just want a chef.
Speaker 5: I want somebody and I can say, hey, man, I
Speaker 5: want that lunch at one o'clock, I want my my
Speaker 5: snack at four o'clock, I want my dinner at seven o'clock,
Speaker 5: and everything else I have.
Speaker 4: I got it.
Speaker 5: I'm you know, I'm very routine about things there. Okay,
Speaker 5: but I have a problem with my eating this weight room.
Speaker 1: I do want to room so bad and I want
Speaker 1: I want it to be the most decked out weight room.
Speaker 1: I want the special plates, I want force plates, I
Speaker 1: want data monitoring.
Speaker 2: I wanted the whole thing.
Speaker 1: But I know Fred, I know this man. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: not married anymore, but happy wife. So I would punt
Speaker 1: on that, even though that's something I want very bad.
Speaker 1: And I'd get my wife a farm and she could
Speaker 1: have as many horses and like dog rescues out there.
Speaker 1: The kids could have the dirt bikes out there taxes either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So as much as I want the weight room, I
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta pun on what I want.
Speaker 2: Well, you know I got the farm coming. We will come.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about in West Virginia? You gotta
Speaker 2: come in farm. You know I want the two because
Speaker 2: you gotta yea, I may invite.
Speaker 1: You to it. Yeah, we gotta, Yeah, we gotta talk
Speaker 1: about that more. We gotta talk about that more detail
Speaker 1: coming out, all right. So that's gonna do it for today.
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