WEBVTT - Talking Top Players and Washington's GREATEST | Command Center Podcast | Washington Commanders 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:09.239 Welcome into the Command Center Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:13.280 with Fred Smoot and Santana mas Skies. How was the weekend? Man? 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:14.040 How was your vacation? 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:14.320 Man? 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:15.079 I missed you. 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:17.040 Man, I missed you too, Man, I miss both you guys. 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:19.000 I was coming back on the trip and I was like, man, 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:20.840 you know, I miss those guys. I miss Fred making 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:22.360 fun of my lack of hair, and how old I 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:24.480 look at such a nice work environ. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:26.640 Now that I look at your legs, you are half 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:31.320 chi a pit like you do have Harry, just not 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:32.040 on your head. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.559 I know I got Harry face, you know, like my 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:36.400 legs are Harry. I got you, you know. 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:38.240 But that's what that's that's what I missed. 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:40.920 I missed the vacation. I don't miss you guys. 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.879 Yeah, you're to Orlando, right, Yeah? That man I had. 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:48.000 I had a good time. Man, it was much needed. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:48.239 Uh. 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:53.479 My daughter turned seven Congress in the June, and two 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.120 years ago I promised her Orlando because all the other 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.480 kids we was like, you know, especially knowing my playing years, 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.520 Harry all season was like yeah, the same old. So 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.720 all the kids got those experiences, but her, and I 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:06.600 think I was trying to do around the COVID time, 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.600 and COVID happened, and COVID changed the rules. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:10.560 They changed everything. 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:11.360 You have to. 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.360 Basically reserve your tickets before you get it. You can't 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:15.800 just come there like I used to do and just 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:19.319 buy the ticket. So two years, three years later, I'm 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.960 finally taking her. She put pressure on me, so I 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.319 made sure that the pressure. 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:26.880 I was just reading something that said that a tendants 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:28.600 of the parture downand was it busy or was it 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.080 kind of like chill? No, it was busy. So they're 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:32.000 lying in the media. 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:32.280 You know. 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.120 I used to do a lot of that stuff unconsciously. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.280 Now I'm very conscious about everything I do. Spend all 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.840 that stuff, you know why. And I'm like, I was 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:41.080 paying as much for these tickets. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.880 Yeah, oh no, listen, the older we get, the sheep, 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:44.399 we get. 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.720 My line passed that university was two hundred forty dollars 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:49.560 per person. 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:50.960 Yes, And I was like. 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:52.040 Boy, they better have a good time. 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:55.760 I'm about a thousand dollars to skip a line. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:57.480 Man, it's ridiculous. 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:01.120 But guess what she had a great time. She already 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.200 talking about next year. Yeah, I did my job, same 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:04.600 thing again. 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:06.520 Next year is that it's always something different. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.160 But Disney should always be on my list. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.680 Just because I have those kids that that that young, 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:12.720 you want to give them that experience every year. I mean, 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.560 that was something that I experienced. My mother, her siblings experience. 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:17.560 Why not give her the same? 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.359 Well did you ride in the Rise? Because I don't 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.520 ride Rise anymore like Vertigo. I don't have then test 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:24.400 and afford. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:25.120 To do it anymore. 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.639 I don't I don't have the love like I think 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.480 it was the year before last we went down to 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:30.799 U Bush Guarden. 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:31.520 We went to. 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.720 Bush Guardens, my kids talking me to getting on the 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:35.640 new ride they had just opened up. 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.639 No, it was the I don't know what it was, 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:40.520 but I lost. I almost threw up. 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.679 I wish I had a pamp on it and that 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.560 when I realized then that thrill seeking I used to 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:47.520 have it's gone. 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:49.200 I'm a shell of myself. 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:49.600 Yeah we are. 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:49.880 We are. 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.200 We're much older than those those days where we had 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:56.120 fun riding Rise. I didn't go there with that intention, 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.959 but to make sure that I enjoyed the time with them. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:01.800 I got on right. You do like Disneyland. 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.240 So we're Disney the world in the world first because 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:05.480 you know Disneyland. 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.200 Right, those rights are pretty chill. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:11.120 Yeah, VERSU was more than that was Sunday Saturday. 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:12.239 Getting scared just looking at those rights. 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.240 I can't do it anymore. I'm a cow like. I 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:16.880 hate to say it. I did have a rash. 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.280 So check it if you go to university, get on 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:23.600 the I believe it's the what's the Dinosaur movie? That 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:28.639 everyone that's the men? Trust me, Bro, I lost my mind. 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.240 But it was so much fun. I was like, Bro, 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:31.839 I do it again. 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.480 Yeah, that's awesome, that's great, a ton of fun. So 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.160 speaking of a ton of fun, man, we got the 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:40.760 NFL Top one hundred players that's coming out Washington. Hopefully 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:42.560 we'll have some guys on this list. Yeah right, I 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.360 think this. I think this year. It feels like it's 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.920 gonna be this. This is hole bunch of guys. Easy 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.480 do we have who are like kind of the top 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.680 guys you think are gonna make this list? 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.320 I'm start because I know Fred one of those guys. 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:54.920 He got excited. 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.440 I know he's gonna say, like five thousand people, people 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:58.160 from different teams. 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.120 Sure we should have three guys. Okay, we got and 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:03.880 we said the names, you know, before we. 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:07.720 Got on air, Payne, Allen and. 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.120 Terry to me those because you know, you look at 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.160 this top one hundred, We're not talking about just overall. 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.760 We're talking about that season. Yeah, last year alone. 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:20.000 And when I look at the position by position, those 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.960 guys all dominate their position. You know, they was all 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:27.320 they was in the top leading. They weren't just leaders 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.360 on their team in the division, in the league. Their 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.480 numbers stood out amongst other guys who play in the position. 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.440 So if we send the top one hundred, they have 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.440 to be up there. I mean, it's one hundred guys. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.960 You got to pick between thirty two teams, Mike, average 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:41.919 two players. 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.400 Maybe I got a wild card. 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.320 For you to take. You to steal one from our producer. 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:49.680 You just you No, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:57.360 a thief like that. Tris Way. 0:04:51.440 --> 0:05:00.280 Oh, I'm just saying I think he could SQUI he's 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.000 in there because they gonna at least take two pounds 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.279 at least Has there ever been a play in the 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.440 top one hundred justin Tunker the kicker. 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:13.120 Offensive That's that's interesting value there So is a punter 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.320 the same value as a good kicker. I don't do 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:20.440 as a defense, it's a defensive he's a position. 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.080 Yeah, he changes the field. 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.320 He's like one of the top key elements of the defense. Like, hey, 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.200 pinus pin him back there, We got you. 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:27.640 You know what I mean. 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:31.520 I mean, you watch our games if when we needed. 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:36.320 To play Trestwaite was pinning somebody deep and our defense 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:37.960 was coming through, and then we were sitting there waiting 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:39.680 on the offense to make come on, find a way 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:40.760 to get you know, get a drive on. 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.040 So no, I'm sorry I didn't I left his name. 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:44.160 I wasn't even thinking. 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:48.920 That the players surprises are gonna be our MVP. 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.560 On his team And I'm just saying, and you got 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.720 Cam Carroll yep, Cam Curls and another sneaky one. So 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.080 my question to you would be like, you know, we've 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:58.000 got terrry On here, right. 0:05:58.080 --> 0:05:58.279 Yeah. 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:02.040 It's usually between ten and fifteen receivers on the list, 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.240 Like where does he follow in that hierarchy for you? 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.040 Like is he going to be a top fifty guy 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:07.840 or is he going to just kind of squeak into 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:08.280 the way. 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.719 I think he'll probably squeak in because, unlike the rest 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.080 of the receivers, I respect him because he hasn't had 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.960 that quarterback. He continues to make right and I think 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.000 that's going to hurt him when you try to compare 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.680 him to aj Brown. How you try to compare him 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.640 to Jamar Chase, Well, the one thing he doesn't have 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:25.719 is they running mate. 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:28.440 See one of the things that and Fred hit it 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.160 on the head. I think, what when we get to 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:35.760 judging these guys and you know, being critical about who's 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.720 the best, they look at numbers, they don't look at 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:43.120 the circumstances. Yeah, and I think his circumstances should allow 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:44.920 him to be in the top one hundred, because if 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.200 you're doing it like this, then man, you don't one 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:47.640 of the best. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:49.919 With Carson Wentz, I'm really glad you brought that up 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:51.760 because you I don't know if you ever voted for 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.320 a top one hundred player, right that was howter you 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:53.880 retired right? 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:55.040 Not to retiren Tenna. 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.520 You remember doing this? I was, yeah, I was in 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:02.159 I was in the league still to do this. They 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.760 used to drop off the top one hundred sheet in 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.720 the in the in the in the room, and you 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:08.919 had to do it before you could leave the building. 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:10.960 So I remember going in there with all the other 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.400 tight ends and literally being like who who is on 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.920 Sports Center? Like that's how we did it. Guys would 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:18.880 pick you, and so to me, I think one of 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.200 the things is like Terry, for example. 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.440 Ain't a household like the rest. 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:25.680 I think that hurts him a little bit. But you're right. 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.000 But a lot of these guys are different now because 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.520 they're looking at it. See when we was playing, guys 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.480 will not going to pick a guy who torched him. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.880 Now, I ain't putting him on you know. I'm the 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:37.040 same way with the pro bow pro Bow. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.520 They were like, I ain't putting the putting them on there. 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.200 These days, these guys are more friendlier to each other. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:45.840 They understand, they watch it. 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:46.800 You know, it's so much. 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.640 Football media, I mean media is everywhere now you can 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.240 watch it on your phone. So they seeing what Terry's 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:56.040 doing over here. You know, quietly he's dominating, you know. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.000 And so the reason why I look at Terry is 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.880 getting he gets love from his peers more than he 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.520 might get loved from the outlet. Intereship with that, you 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:04.960 know what I mean. 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:09.160 But you gotta realized Trayvon Diggs smoked him, Big play 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:13.200 slave smoked him like every time the opponent. 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.760 He goes and gets and that, and there's a dB. 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.080 I respect the guy that ain't playing with Peyton Manny 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:22.680 more than I respect the guy to do. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.960 And he's doing it quietly. He's not beating his chest. 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:25.680 He's not. 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.360 That hurts him. You know. It was like as a teammate, 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.960 I love, I love everything Terry does. He's quiet about 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:34.680 his work, but like for him to get. 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:35.559 He don't sell itself. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.560 That does hurt when it comes to nationally. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:40.240 You know what I mean, because you know, you hear 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.439 about the guys that did all that because you saw 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.240 him celebrating in ESPN, you know, had that clip. 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.160 But when I'm talking about peer to peer, those guys 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:50.960 like man, I'm glad he didn't show up. He showed 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:51.240 me up. 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:52.960 But he deserved my vote. You know what I'm saying. 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.240 Quite a good point playing in the NFC, which is 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.599 that the vision that gets all the eyes on it, 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.400 And that's a good the New York Giants. 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.199 Especialist last year. Yes, so yeah, So then my next 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.040 question is Paint and Allen. Who's higher on the list. 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.160 Usually with the top twenty fire that's top one hundred, right, 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.120 Usually it's the guy that's been more consistently good, that's 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.440 rated higher. But Pain had such a big. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.679 I feel say Pain jumped him last year because on 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:20.559 the list, what have you done for me lately? 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:21.640 That's the whole thing. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:23.880 And then you know, we love to get a new 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.480 guy a lot more love than the old guy, the 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.200 guy that been here doing it for years and year. 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:29.520 Will say this, and I don't want to say it 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.480 in the wrong way. Just being a guy in this 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:36.360 league and knowing how folks will view you, I'm I'm 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.480 pretty sure that every officer line look at John Allen 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.400 like that's that's I want to see him. 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:44.199 But when they look at. 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.880 Pain, they be like, that's a freak of nature. You 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.800 do things he does, and you have to compare the two. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.040 He's the freak, he's the dog, and they all have 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:55.400 both of it in him, you know what I mean. 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:57.720 But John seems to be that guy that he's gonna 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.839 consistently be just on where you're behind down bring the 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.480 same intensity and pain as that guy. They scratching their 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.079 head like why is he so fast, explosive and being 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:07.600 at this side, you know what I mean? 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:07.880 Why? 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.839 Why how can he do all these things at this side. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.320 So that's to me, when it comes to comparing those two, 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:15.360 you can't say one is better than the other. 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:17.840 You just say they just have different you know, levels 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:18.400 of themselves. 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.560 You know what I'm saying. I think that's really insightful. Tan. 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:22.000 I think the thing that gets me is like how 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:24.240 does the league see them? Because we see him every day, 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.360 you know what I'm saying. So like, you know, like 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:28.480 we know Allen's this kind of hard nosed leader, and 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.319 we know Pain is a good athlete. But I'm curious 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.719 to see how the league using. My other question is 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.480 that it is one of those guys the best defensive 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.560 tackle in the division or will there be another guy 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:38.760 from the division that's higher on the. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.080 List where they like to put Lawn Dexter Lawrence up 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:41.840 there from New York. 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:43.680 You hear that name all the time, but he played 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:45.480 like he balled this last year. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.600 Yeah, and then gro just left Philadelphia. But they also 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.360 still have Jordan Davis and then they did. 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:52.840 Dre but he will make the Listen. 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.040 So what I'm saying is, if you look at it, 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.000 the Cowboys don't got a d tackle like out of 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.600 the tackles, Yes, they are the best pair the question 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:01.520 is who who was the best one of those in 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:02.480 the division right now? 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.720 So I think, well, i'd say Lawrence is probably headed 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:06.520 and then it'll be painting Allen. Is that what you're thinking? 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.520 So was Lawrence played last year better than anyone about? 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:10.800 Yeah? I mean I think he had twelve and a 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:11.360 half sacks. 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:13.640 He had, That's what That's how we compared. 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:15.400 Compare up the numbers, you know what I mean. That's 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:15.800 a good point. 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:17.880 You can probably put those guys side by side and say, 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:19.040 you know, hey, they can you know. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.480 And also I will say Lawrence had that dominant I 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.160 think at twelve tackles in the playoff game, you know 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:23.520 what I mean. 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.559 At the end of the year, Lawrence really turned it on. 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.040 He turned especially against us, he turned it on. 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.040 So yeah, I think that that's interesting. So I'm really 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.440 glad you brought this up. I'm trust was the surprise 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.199 of the day for me, Fred like I got I'm 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:37.319 smiling still because of that. 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.920 I give props Well, props are doing the townail shows 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:41.080 and Trust. 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:41.960 Has been the MVP for us. 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.440 Yes, But the one, the one that I really am 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:48.160 interested in is Cam craw because you look at the 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.240 PFF grade He's the highest graded PFF safety. We know 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.680 when he's absent from the defense, like what he does 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:55.760 when I you know, I did a Cam crow breakdown 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.040 last week. He is everywhere. He plays linebacker, plays nickel, 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.439 plays safety. His value is uncalculable. But he doesn't have 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:03.720 the numbers right. 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.719 And I was gonna say the reason why, you know 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:08.360 and Cam Curll, like when you ask me one of 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.560 my favorite players on the team right now, I tell you, guys, 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:11.840 Cam Crell is one of my favorite. 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:13.240 Uh being a receiver. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.160 I watch him a lot, just knowing you know, what 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.839 he brings and and how you know you have to 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:19.800 be that quarterback back there. You know, he remind me 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:21.840 of Ed Read a little bit. You know, he can 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.000 play every position, peop. It didn't give Ed Read that 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:25.959 credit that he can play in a box anywhere. 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:27.959 You know, he can play anywhere. Will line up and 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:28.760 play your damn. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:33.520 Best best received calls and force to the house. 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.280 The difference, the difference because the reason why I think 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.679 they will look at Cam Curll and greet them a 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.200 little lord. And when we see him, and I'm saying 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.880 where we see him because of the amount of times 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.480 he touches the ball. He changes the field, you know, 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.200 and you want a safety to be able to change 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.599 the field with interceptions and you know, force fumbels or 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:53.720 pick up you know, you know, from recoveries and stuff 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.360 like that. So that's where I say that the league 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.000 might not view him as that valuable to be in 0:12:59.160 --> 0:12:59.600 this list. 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:01.800 But he's one of my guys, so you know, I 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:02.600 always you know. 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.920 And he's more Brian Dawkins to me because he's such 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.120 a box animal. He like more Brian Dalkin. He bring 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.880 a certain intensity put like this. It's a defensive backs, 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:14.920 a super smart player. I know when he on the 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:16.559 field and when he's not on the field because I 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.719 can tell about the defensive backs, how they talk, how 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.760 they communicate, everything's totally different when he's on the field. 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.319 So I think his his worth to this team is 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.719 a lot more than his physical play. I think it's 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.240 his mental makeup in his leadership. 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.000 So do you think other players around the league recognize that? 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:33.400 I think that's what this listen is and that's what 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.400 I'm and that's what I'm questioning, like, do they know 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:36.920 how valuable he is? 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:38.959 No, because he ain't got the playoff games. You know, 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:40.920 this is where you make your name. This is the 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:42.080 way you separate yourself. 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.120 So I think the turnovers, I think that's another Yeah, 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:44.640 he's not. 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.959 Like like Defro like people will probably be like, No. 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:52.760 Twenty two was around the ball so much and made 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:53.640 so many plays. 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.840 But we know when on the field we're in trouble, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:58.480 you know what I'm saying. 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.439 So so I think I think that's a good kind 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:05.079 of consensus there, Terry Allen Payne hopefully Cam. I think 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.600 trust deserves it. But obviously yeah, so will he make 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:12.319 it's no respect, But that would be interesting. Anybody that 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.400 this is something I wanted to ask you, Fred, anybody 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:18.120 for this upcoming season, based on the new offense, based 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.400 on the new defense, you think has a shot to 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.560 make it in uh twenty twenty four. 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.600 Listen, I just I look for the oddities and the 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.960 oddities on offense. To me, the guys that you can't quantify, 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:32.840 they don't they don't look like they're supposed to. 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.360 Curtis Samuels and Antonio Gibbs. 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.080 I just feel like in this offense, they're going to 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:43.000 make plays in space like nobody knows, like I know 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.200 how a West Coast offense does. 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.000 Like they take their number one and they use their 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:50.160 number one receiver. 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.720 To open it up for everybody else. Is they attack 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.280 the field vertically and horizontally. And I think when they 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.720 attack the horizontally, it's gonna be two guys on their table, 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.760 and that's gonna be a g and it's gonna be curtisself. 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:03.840 Yeah, I agree. I think any other one that would 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.520 kind of sneaking there for me is maybe Logan Thomas. Maybe, 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:07.200 you know what I'm saying. 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.480 If Logan Logan is due for something more because of 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:12.480 just alone, we're having a new quarterback. 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.160 He needs to know who's his safety net, and Logan 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:15.960 is the tight end. 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:17.880 So the safety there is always gonna be that guy 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.760 inside where you don't have to Hey, rest sure. 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.520 If you can't see it, you can't read it, dump 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:22.360 it down, you know what I mean? 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.400 Oh, I mean that would be a hug. 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.280 That would be this car really sitting stuff up. 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.920 I think I think Logan Thomas would because again he 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:33.720 just had such a good spring, you know, he just 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.120 had such a good catching the football. So I thought, Man, 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.320 if there's a guy Gibson, Gibson Logan, I didn't even 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:41.040 think about Curtis. 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:42.720 You know we all know as players too. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:46.880 Man, just how how much weight come off your shoulders 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:48.920