Speaker 1: Welcome to the All's Fair with Laura Wasser podcast. Each week,
Speaker 1: on the show, we speak with celebrities, innovators, and experts
Speaker 1: about all kinds of relationships, including divorce, love, war, and
Speaker 1: everything in between. Here's our conversation with television personality Dina Lohan,
Speaker 1: who rose to fame as the mother and manager of
Speaker 1: actress Lindsay Lohan. In addition to Lindsay, Dina has three
Speaker 1: other children with ex husband Michael, and in this episode
Speaker 1: of All's Fair with Laura Wasser, she opens up to
Speaker 1: me about her journey to co parenting successfully with her
Speaker 1: ex and why her work raising awareness about domestic violence
Speaker 1: is so important. Hi. There, it's me Laura Wasser, the
Speaker 1: divorce attorney and the founder of It's over Easy, the
Speaker 1: online divorce service. I've been practicing family law for over
Speaker 1: twenty years, and I've worked on thousands of divorces, shepherding
Speaker 1: people through what may be one of the most terrifying
Speaker 1: times in their lives. Along the way, I often have
Speaker 1: to remind people to lower their expectations when dealing with
Speaker 1: matters of the heart. Rules simply don't apply because all's
Speaker 1: fair in love and war. So welcome to the All's
Speaker 1: Fair Podcasts. Fasten your seatbelts and let's go. I'm Laura Wasser,
Speaker 1: the divorce attorney and founder and CEO of the online
Speaker 1: divorce service It's Over Easy. I'm Johnny Rains, and this
Speaker 1: is the All's Fair podcast where everything relevant to relationships
Speaker 1: is up for examination and discussion. Relationships, by their very nature,
Speaker 1: are layered and fluid, and they change shape as we evolve.
Speaker 1: It's my job to observe and interpret these observations into
Speaker 1: tools that can help families achieve their next iterations. Divorce
Speaker 1: can be many things, but it doesn't have to be ugly,
Speaker 1: and my advice to celebrities and civilians alike is keep
Speaker 1: it amicable. Do your best to keep the split under
Speaker 1: wraps social media silence, don't publicly attack your ex, keep
Speaker 1: your kids best interest in mind. But of course people
Speaker 1: don't always follow my advice, fools that they are. We'll
Speaker 1: get into that with our next guest, who has turned
Speaker 1: her next chapter into something special, not only for herself
Speaker 1: but for her children as well. Joining us now is
Speaker 1: one of the most well known managers in the business.
Speaker 1: She's a tireless mother of four and author and a
Speaker 1: reality star on her own right, and she's also launching
Speaker 1: a new podcast, Here's a taste. Hi everyone, I'm Dina
Speaker 1: Lohan and I'm the host of our new podcast, Listen
Speaker 1: to Me the O G Mama Date, and I'm her
Speaker 1: co host Shanelle A Mari from Chanel in the City,
Speaker 1: and together we will be teaming up to set the
Speaker 1: record straight on celebrity table at Gossip. We've both been there,
Speaker 1: We've seen it all, an nownced I turned to speak.
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Speaker 1: see you soon. Welcome to All's Fair, Dina Lohan and
Speaker 1: as the magazine this month, you say that your ex
Speaker 1: Michael Lohan, and you have come to a very good
Speaker 1: place co parenting your four kids. Tell us a little
Speaker 1: bit about how you guys got there. That's a loaded question,
Speaker 1: you know. Divorce is tough, Relationships are tough, marriage is tough.
Speaker 1: A lot of toughs in there. But you know, I
Speaker 1: got married very young. Michael and I both were very young.
Speaker 1: So prior to me getting married, I was with my
Speaker 1: first love who was killed in car fire. He was
Speaker 1: in the same business of entertainment I was in. So
Speaker 1: a lot of that really changed my life clearly, and
Speaker 1: um and I think now looking back in a very
Speaker 1: positive way that I just felt at that time I
Speaker 1: really grew a lot. I didn't go out for a year,
Speaker 1: you know, I just kind of watched soap operas at
Speaker 1: my parents house. And then a year later I went
Speaker 1: to the surf Club on the Upper West Side. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know where that is in New York. Yes,
Speaker 1: and my three best friends who were graduating from University
Speaker 1: of Virginia, and I was in n y U at
Speaker 1: the time. So I met Michael. He knocked a bottle
Speaker 1: of champagne off the table and risk a history, I
Speaker 1: could say, but really I did, because he's like, what's
Speaker 1: your last name? Um on Italian Irish genonymally and Nicolet Sullivan.
Speaker 1: So I said Sullivan, looking up. Well, that's like crazy.
Speaker 1: There's like a million Sullivan's on Long Islands, you know.
Speaker 1: I was born in the Bronx but grew up on
Speaker 1: Long Island. Still here from such a Long Island girl.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, and that the rest is pretty much history.
Speaker 1: I was engaged within three months, married after six. You know,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. I've been divorced for decades
Speaker 1: while where two decades and um we've grown. It wasn't immediate,
Speaker 1: you know. There was a lot of things that transpired,
Speaker 1: which everyone probably knows. I don't want to be reduncdant.
Speaker 1: I just know that now we're friends. Were in a
Speaker 1: great place. Um, this guy Jesse who's in my life,
Speaker 1: it's friends with Mike goals and he kind of helped
Speaker 1: through that as well. Why is he friends with my
Speaker 1: ex husband? But it's not a big deal because I
Speaker 1: you know, I see Michael at the Hampton's and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like sit with us. It's like cool,
Speaker 1: We're not anything. Really that the press made it so horrible.
Speaker 1: There was a very scary time and for me personally,
Speaker 1: I was going through and he was going through issues
Speaker 1: that caused this. So now I feel we're in a
Speaker 1: great place. Of my children, you know, they're older now
Speaker 1: my young this is twenty three. Well, this is thirty three.
Speaker 1: That makes me a hundred and three, I guess. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so he so that that in looking back retrospectively, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm from my parents married fifty years, so I don't
Speaker 1: know divorced. I don't know about that. I'm very fortunate.
Speaker 1: You know. My mother is Italian. She'd throw a couple
Speaker 1: of shoes at my brother's and yards. You know. It
Speaker 1: wasn't perfect. But actually I I never thought I'd be divorced.
Speaker 1: You know, we all were read Cinderella right now. I
Speaker 1: read to my kids. I'm going to read to my
Speaker 1: grandchildren when we have that and The Little Train that Could? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: Do you do you think that the press exacerbated the
Speaker 1: divorce acrimonia between you and Michael? Absolutely? But there were facts,
Speaker 1: you know, and there were things that really did happen
Speaker 1: that neither him nor I couldn't, you know, say it
Speaker 1: wasn't true because you know, abuse going on, so so
Speaker 1: that was true, and um, you know, but the rest
Speaker 1: was totally sensationalized. I believe, you know, it didn't have
Speaker 1: to be public, right, And how do you think that
Speaker 1: part of it, the public part of it affected your kids.
Speaker 1: We talked to so many people who are getting divorce,
Speaker 1: and you know, again there's abuse, there's drug and alcohol use,
Speaker 1: there's adultery, and it always is miserable. But again, in
Speaker 1: most situations, you're not reading about it at the market
Speaker 1: or having your kids friends talk about it at school.
Speaker 1: So how did that affect your children? How old were they?
Speaker 1: By the way, when you guys split up. Um, well,
Speaker 1: we were together and split up several times and with
Speaker 1: all four children for a time. Um, And then he
Speaker 1: went through his own situation, which is for him to tell.
Speaker 1: I don't like talking about somebody else if they're not here,
Speaker 1: So I can only tell you what happened to me, Um,
Speaker 1: and Lindsay was little and Michael was little. The two
Speaker 1: older ones there was you know, there was like eight
Speaker 1: years in between that, so six to eight years in
Speaker 1: between that where we weren't together and I custody, sould custody,
Speaker 1: so so it was a very different time and the
Speaker 1: younger two weren't really affected as much. So I feel
Speaker 1: the older too, which is why you know they used
Speaker 1: the word co parenting. Um. You know, our children are
Speaker 1: going to grow up and have relationships and have our
Speaker 1: grown there's certainly not grown up. You don't say. By
Speaker 1: my daughter is thirty three, I'm not gonna hang out
Speaker 1: with her, talk to her mother is always a mother
Speaker 1: and father as well, and I think both parents and
Speaker 1: I stressed this to any one going through a divorce,
Speaker 1: and it kind of brings tears in my eyes because
Speaker 1: they they have to keep their problems separate. Mine happened
Speaker 1: to be in the media, you know, So it got
Speaker 1: crazy and I had to deal with that and that certainly,
Speaker 1: I cried myself to sleep a lot, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'd have to go on TV and protect lindsay situation
Speaker 1: because it's my child, not to say I don't reprimand
Speaker 1: her when she's home, which I do, I mean, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna cut and bleed for her to tell
Speaker 1: her story on on television. And there were people I
Speaker 1: trusted that talked about me and sold stories, you know,
Speaker 1: personal personal things, which was very, very hurtful. So that
Speaker 1: was difficult on my child, first of all, and you
Speaker 1: know that takes its toll. But I think now that
Speaker 1: we're in a good place, and I feel and we've
Speaker 1: been in a good place for a while, and I
Speaker 1: feel that they need to have clarity with both parents good,
Speaker 1: better and different to move off with their wives. You're
Speaker 1: listening to All's Fair with Laura Wasser, a new podcast
Speaker 1: that provides a fresh take on navigating the most important
Speaker 1: relationships in our lives, including the ones with our co parents.
Speaker 1: Give me an example, particularly during this quarantine situation. I
Speaker 1: know the two girls are in Dubai. Yes, yes, this
Speaker 1: is really crazy because they always have kids around me.
Speaker 1: It's like either their friends or you know, forever. I've
Speaker 1: been in this house eighteen years, Um, so I'm going
Speaker 1: through a lot empty nesting. You know what a lot
Speaker 1: of people are going through Lentina Alana or in Dubai.
Speaker 1: How are you to FaceTime with them? I mean, how
Speaker 1: are you? How are the you and Michael able to
Speaker 1: keep in touch with with each other and the four
Speaker 1: kids during this pandemic with everything everything being so uncertain.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're being anxiety. They're wanting to look to
Speaker 1: mom and dad to kind of either calm them down,
Speaker 1: or maybe they're worried about you guys because we're all
Speaker 1: older now. So how is the family interacting during this time?
Speaker 1: And more particularly, how are you and Michael kind of
Speaker 1: keeping it together for them? Um? Michael's married to someone
Speaker 1: else and he has little children, so he kind of
Speaker 1: has his own life, and you know, I'm I speak
Speaker 1: to him at times, but it's not like an everyday thing.
Speaker 1: And um my, so my girls we that's separate. You know,
Speaker 1: they'll call him or I I face time and zoom.
Speaker 1: My girls they're like every second they talked to do this.
Speaker 1: And my son and his Beyonce wife from I saying
Speaker 1: sorry sorry, Nina. They're married and live in Manhattan. Okay,
Speaker 1: they've been married for three years. And then my other
Speaker 1: son to code and my youngest who I also manages
Speaker 1: quarantine in l A. He's a guy, models and works
Speaker 1: as an actor out there. So we're all over the
Speaker 1: place and I'm dog sitting co hop, which I'm surprisingly
Speaker 1: not jumping on me right now. It's called a retreater
Speaker 1: who's five, so he doesn't talk, so it's really hard
Speaker 1: for me kind of a talker. Um And my mom
Speaker 1: is very close to me. She's nineties six. She's my rock,
Speaker 1: and my girls call my mom and my boys all
Speaker 1: the time. She's like, you know, Lindsay, you'll forget the
Speaker 1: time difference. It will be kind of late at night
Speaker 1: for my mom and she's like, I'll pick up anytime,
Speaker 1: any time you call, which is amazing. They still have
Speaker 1: their grandmother at her and I saw my mom. I
Speaker 1: lost my dad about fifteen years ago. So but we're
Speaker 1: thank God for Zoom and these these this technology exactly.
Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about Reconstructing Hope, the
Speaker 1: five o NC nonprofit. Tell us what it does and
Speaker 1: why you're so interested in it. Well, reconstructing a Hope.
Speaker 1: They came to me several years back and what they do,
Speaker 1: it's really amazing anyone who's been a victim of abuse.
Speaker 1: They go as far as there's a team of doctors,
Speaker 1: and they go as far as even a tattoo removal
Speaker 1: to have the woman or man for that matter. You know,
Speaker 1: it's any relationship can be abusive and they'll be someone
Speaker 1: to remove the tattoo. If godad, someone's nose is broken,
Speaker 1: they'll reconstruct that. It's all free, there's no charge. Um.
Speaker 1: They have you know, therapists there. Whether these are victims
Speaker 1: of domestic violence who are getting help and particularly reconstructive
Speaker 1: surgery or aesthetic things change and go online to Reconstructing
Speaker 1: Hope dot org and they will get that information where
Speaker 1: you go and help them. We're in New York, California,
Speaker 1: and we're going to be in other states soon. But
Speaker 1: it's a wonderful thing because you know a lot of
Speaker 1: people in you know, everyone's doesn't have the financial ability
Speaker 1: and and they're just hurting and and if they can
Speaker 1: help them in any way, they're giving their time. Dentists
Speaker 1: of teeth are knocked out. I mean things that you know,
Speaker 1: will you'll look in the mirror. They want you to
Speaker 1: see yourself. They don't want you to look and see
Speaker 1: the past. This is your next chapter, moving on. I
Speaker 1: love that. Okay, So you can go to Reconstructing Hope
Speaker 1: dot com if dot org okay, dot org okay. And
Speaker 1: then for you, your next chapter has been your new
Speaker 1: podcast that you're doing. Yes, it was. Sannel tell us
Speaker 1: about um Well. I've known Shanella Marii for years. I
Speaker 1: hired her when she was seventeen. When she turned eighteen,
Speaker 1: she traveled with Lindsay as her assistant, and then when
Speaker 1: that you know, ended and she was going back to college,
Speaker 1: I took her own as my assistant and then over
Speaker 1: the years, you know, she flourished in her own She's
Speaker 1: a stand up comic. She had her own podcast. She
Speaker 1: has Chanel in the City out of New York while
Speaker 1: Island Girl as well, and I'm like, she calls me
Speaker 1: Mama d old Lindsay's friends. That's where that came from.
Speaker 1: And still is it sounds it's actually real. Um. So
Speaker 1: she's had it early, her own podcast, And I didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about this world. I was on hers and
Speaker 1: it was wonderful, and I said, I have an idea,
Speaker 1: why don't you come on and you know, close with me.
Speaker 1: I don't the host, she's the co host, and she's
Speaker 1: a whole mother demographic. She's there six but she um,
Speaker 1: she actually brings the millenniums to me and and that demographics,
Speaker 1: and I'm an older I bring the older people and
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful marriage, I think. So to speak. In
Speaker 1: this world and nothing's nothing's off topic. We we go
Speaker 1: from suit to nuts, from a list of normal people
Speaker 1: to doctors, lawyers, and it's on Spotify, yes, Spotify and
Speaker 1: iTunes and then it'll drop to my heart. Got it? Okay?
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure that you're familiar with too much litigation,
Speaker 1: but one of the tools that we attorne easy. Yes,
Speaker 1: I am. Okay, So I'm sorry, lawyers, but you're the best.
Speaker 1: Thank you. So one of the tools that used during
Speaker 1: the discovery phase is called interrogatories, and so there are
Speaker 1: formal questions that require the opposing party to respond with
Speaker 1: information relevant to the matter that's being litigated. So here
Speaker 1: on all's fair, they're not really that serious, but they're
Speaker 1: very important. So, Dina, will you play the interrogatory game
Speaker 1: with us? Yes? And do you swear to tell the truth,
Speaker 1: the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Tina, which
Speaker 1: relationship in your life has had the most profound impact
Speaker 1: my father? And tell us why? Well, I'm the youngest
Speaker 1: of three older brothers and many boys on my mother's
Speaker 1: Italian side and no girls. So I gravitated my dad.
Speaker 1: I was like Daddy's a little girl so to speak.
Speaker 1: And Um, he just taught me so much and made
Speaker 1: me the person I am today. He was involved in
Speaker 1: many charities, he was started meals on wheels, big brothers,
Speaker 1: Dr J and him. I don't know if you know
Speaker 1: Dr J. The past called Claire. Um started that my
Speaker 1: old too. You don't you don't look old to We're
Speaker 1: not old. As Elizabeth Teller said, she'll never say a
Speaker 1: day over fifties, so I have it. I'd like thirty
Speaker 1: nine better, but oh well, um, but there's no botox
Speaker 1: during quarantine, so we're all kind of over then. Um. Anyway, Actually,
Speaker 1: my dad was just just a very giving, loving, my
Speaker 1: mom as well person and all my life he's taught
Speaker 1: me so many lessons that I carry with me. And
Speaker 1: like I said, my children lived at my parents house
Speaker 1: for a while and my dad was very very instrumental
Speaker 1: in their upbringing. With me is also you know also
Speaker 1: because like I said, I was very young having Lindsay
Speaker 1: and he was very very important in that as well.
Speaker 1: Nice what's your favorite love song? Oh God, when you Johnny,
Speaker 1: when you asked me this, So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's like a thousand because I'm a die hark romantic,
Speaker 1: which is probably lame at this point, but um, all
Speaker 1: of you hopeful romantic, we we believe in that true,
Speaker 1: true go Cinderella. I'm actually wonderful Tonight by Aeric Clapton.
Speaker 1: Huge fan of Clapton, Jackson Brown, probably all of his songs,
Speaker 1: James Taylor, I mean, yeah, who can I mean, I
Speaker 1: just yeah, And the list goes on, but yeah, they're
Speaker 1: they're top three to go through. I mean, I'm my
Speaker 1: first concert was America. They even have and when I
Speaker 1: was my kids are a little I played them all.
Speaker 1: So that's why they're also into and know all these
Speaker 1: older groups. Right good. Yeah, what's the one piece of
Speaker 1: advice you'd share with your twenty something year old self? Oh? God,
Speaker 1: everything I've learned up until now. It's a very bro statement.
Speaker 1: But um, so many things. Oh gosh, I think not
Speaker 1: to rush into things, to take your time, to slow down,
Speaker 1: not worries so much. And yeah, okay, you said you're
Speaker 1: a hopeless romantic. Tell us which romantic comedy you could
Speaker 1: watch on repeat? Well, I've watched a lot of them
Speaker 1: on repeat, and so of my girls because we're like
Speaker 1: silly with that as well. But I love the Holiday, Yep,
Speaker 1: we got that one a lot. Love the Holiday, love it.
Speaker 1: It was just on two nights going. Ali just assumed
Speaker 1: me from Dubai and she was watching it with Lindsay. Um.
Speaker 1: Not to mention, Nancy Myers did direct it from the
Speaker 1: parent Trap, who was an angel, powerful woman, so talented. Um.
Speaker 1: Her movies are just the epitome of love stories. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's just great. Yes, I agree. Comedy in romance together. Yeah, well, Dina,
Speaker 1: your podcast is going to be a hit. We definitely
Speaker 1: will listen. Thank you so much for joining and zooming
Speaker 1: in with us today on All's Fair. Tell our listeners
Speaker 1: how people can keep up with you online. Um, you
Speaker 1: can go to I'm on all social media just Dina
Speaker 1: Lohan verified, see a little blue check and that's me. Um.
Speaker 1: Also go to listen to me the O G Mama
Speaker 1: D Podcast. It's kind of a tongue twister, but it's
Speaker 1: listened to me the O G MoMA D Podcast on
Speaker 1: iTunes and Spotify, coming soon to I Heeart. Love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here today. Stay Healthy's
Speaker 1: days safe. Say hello to the kids. All right, Thanks
Speaker 1: and you guys, Um listen, I listened to you and
Speaker 1: Laura you're amazing. Thank you and you heard on I
Speaker 1: forget what it was. It was, Oh, Johnny, you sent
Speaker 1: me the link, I think or it just maybe found
Speaker 1: it on my own. But you're you're on a show
Speaker 1: and you were saying, you know, you were married, and
Speaker 1: then you weren't. And then when they said would you
Speaker 1: ever get married? You're like, hello, it's not I sat
Speaker 1: in the cards for me. I don't thank you, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask. I met Jesse, my boyfriend now
Speaker 1: on Facebook sick for six years, and um, I just
Speaker 1: want to, you know, talk about that that you and
Speaker 1: meet someone on virtual you know, he lives in l A,
Speaker 1: live here. We haven't met. We're gonna meet after coronavirus
Speaker 1: and I haven't met yet, known him for seven going
Speaker 1: on seven years talking to him on the phone. We started,
Speaker 1: of course as friends and then you know, it evolved
Speaker 1: over that time, and um, I just feel that Jesse
Speaker 1: and I are at a place where we really care
Speaker 1: about each other deeply, and we're going to see where
Speaker 1: it closed after Corona. But so you've never seen him
Speaker 1: in person, even when you guys find friend time zoo
Speaker 1: right but not No. Wow, that's really exciting. But it's
Speaker 1: not as weird as it seems because the irony of
Speaker 1: that is during this time, virtual dating and all these
Speaker 1: apps are like through the big rocketing crazy And I
Speaker 1: always tell my girls, get to know somebody first, like
Speaker 1: talk on the phone. You know, of course the rest
Speaker 1: of it will come, you know, just don't jump right
Speaker 1: into something before you actually speak to them and hear
Speaker 1: their words and know really what they're about. One of
Speaker 1: the benefits actually of dating online and dating virtually now
Speaker 1: is that you can't the option of like jumping into
Speaker 1: the sack is off the table, so you have no
Speaker 1: choice but to get to know them first. During coronavirus.
Speaker 1: You've been listening to All Spare with Laura Wasser, a
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