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Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it punt? Is it put? Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: Problem solved, updown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled

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Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring

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Speaker 1: it on. Slam the ground by Fota Baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 1: He came flying into the backfield. I scared and nobody

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Speaker 1: here's Paul Calvic. You know there are game plants and

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Speaker 1: then there are plans for after the game. That's my

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Speaker 1: intro to Cardinals Underground, brought to you by Pacific Office Automation,

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Darren Rmancallo to guard

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Speaker 1: yours truly PAULI Podcast. Andy Reid at least has the

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Speaker 1: wherewithal to think about his plan after the game, where

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Speaker 1: in the event of victory, Gentleman, he does have plans

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Speaker 1: to have a double cheeseburger waiting for him at the

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Speaker 1: ready in the coach's office following Super Bowl fifty five

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Speaker 1: in the event of a victory. Now, I'd throw to

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Speaker 1: you guys on the fly here, if indeed you were

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Speaker 1: to mark a major milestone career achievement in your life,

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Speaker 1: what sort of meal and or snack would be waiting

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Speaker 1: for you upon completion of their set achievement? Darren, go

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Speaker 1: at the hard one, Paul see because when you first

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Speaker 1: brought this up offline, I was thinking if the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl, and I kept thinking back to

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Speaker 1: how busy it is right after the game for somebody

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Speaker 1: like me who's trying to get some stuff done and

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Speaker 1: just going to the party afterwards and you know, grabbing

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Speaker 1: whatever orders are there definitely a few adult beverages. So

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Speaker 1: but I expose to you know, I will buy us

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Speaker 1: some time, Darren Kyle, what about you? I go with

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Speaker 1: then Dosek's or two or three with some lime in it.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like a pretty perfect meal. I feel like he's

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Speaker 1: been thinking about this, he told us beforehand. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: just self from Alan. I surely I'm gonna bust it

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Speaker 1: on you guys without actually giving him to it earlier.

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Speaker 1: You know what, thanks for asking. I would probably if

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Speaker 1: it was a Super Bowl victory, I would probably go

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Speaker 1: with a chocolate malt. And you're thinking, okay, But here's

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Speaker 1: the kicker on this. As someone who's highly lactose intolerant,

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Speaker 1: and I don't admit that you just anyone, undertaking a

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Speaker 1: in the event of a Super Bowl victory, in a

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Speaker 1: forthcoming Super Bowl ring on my finger, a chocolate malt,

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Speaker 1: something I haven't done in a good two decades plus,

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Speaker 1: would be worth it at that moment. See meals, I guess.

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Speaker 1: do steak actually, Kyle's suggestion sounds pretty good to me

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Speaker 1: All right, who do you have, Darren? By the way,

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Speaker 1: are you going with coach? Double cheeseburger? What is your

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Speaker 1: Where you leaning right now? Is the Super Bowl fifty five?

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Speaker 1: I just I think ultimately it's as great as Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady has been. It's really hard to go against Patrick

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Speaker 1: good game and I do think that Tom Brady can

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Speaker 1: be an equalizer. But as we saw what he did

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Speaker 1: And I just I feel like Patrick Mahomes is as

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Speaker 1: Right now, Kyle, I'm not going to bet against Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: Come on now? I mean, first of all, I know

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Speaker 1: But it was a fascinating idea, and no, I am

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Speaker 1: absolutely not going against the guy that everybody refers to

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Speaker 1: I wasn't truly familiar with his background, and he's run

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Speaker 1: good story and Scotty Miller, but it didn't seem like

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Speaker 1: think Tyreek Hill has a peer. You know, when you're

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Speaker 1: that was impressive. You're right, Kyle. When to do that

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Speaker 1: among other NFL athletes, that's where you know you're truly

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Speaker 1: the exception. By the way, my Bruce Springstein super Bowl story,

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Speaker 1: And that help much? What's that? Did that help you much? Well, Darren?

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Speaker 1: Any sort of lift helps me, believe me, you know,

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Speaker 1: I could I have used another milkbox on top of

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Speaker 1: I said, absolutely not. I'm doing the radio halftime show

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Speaker 1: So just get off me, buddy, and keep moving, keep walking.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering if that is that one of those

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Speaker 1: famous fights that Wolf always talks about you having, Paul

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Speaker 1: that saved me. I'm not exactly sure, Darren. When you

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Speaker 1: like the Buccaneers wouldn't be here if they didn't have

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson really hit that next level in terms of

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Speaker 1: to have him be able to play Tom Brady when

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Speaker 1: Brady is still playing at a very high level. This

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Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination. I think, just really, I'm

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Speaker 1: so looking forward to this game. How about Tony Romo's

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Speaker 1: take that this will be the most important game of

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes's career. No matter what else he does going forward,

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Speaker 1: part of the position you play. I think that if

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Speaker 1: you get better players at wide receiver, if you fill

428
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Speaker 1: your cornerback holes, if you get more talent, then it's

429
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Speaker 1: not going to matter as much about the leadership thing.

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Speaker 1: I think Kyler Murray is on a natural arc that

431
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Speaker 1: you see most players, they grow from their first year

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00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: to their second to their third, and everybody peaks physically

433
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: around twenty six twenty seven years old, and especially a

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Speaker 1: quarterback from the mental side of it, they see a

435
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Speaker 1: lot of things earlier in their careers and they naturally

436
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Speaker 1: get better. So how much better will Kyler Murray be

437
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: next season? I think that remains to be seen. But

438
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna regress. I mean, you look

439
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: at every single quarterback basically, and you look at the

440
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: chart of improvement, and these guys continue to get better

441
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: until you read reach a certain point where they're physical

442
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: limitations that start you on a downward trend. Obviously, Kyler

443
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: Murray is nowhere near that. So I think if you

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Speaker 1: stay the course with Kyler Murray, I think he's going

445
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: to get better. I think what they have to do

446
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: is figure out some of the schematic issue is where

447
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: teams are doing certain things to them and they have

448
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to combat that stuff. But

449
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: if they do, I'm less interested in leadership and the

450
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: intangibles than the tangible talent and schematics. Where if you

451
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Speaker 1: improve on the roster construction and if you figure out

452
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Speaker 1: the best way to go against these defenses that now

453
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: have more of a beat on what you want to

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Speaker 1: do offensively, if you do that sort of thing, I

455
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Speaker 1: think next year this team could be better. And here,

456
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Speaker 1: but here's the thing that I would just quantify with

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Speaker 1: that right now, when we were talking about the leadership

458
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Speaker 1: aspect of it, we're now talking. We started the conversation

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Speaker 1: talking about the Super Bowl teams. I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: disagree that ninety five percent of this is the talent

461
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Speaker 1: and is the schematics and doing things right and getting

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Speaker 1: the personnel around him. And then I mean, no one

463
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Speaker 1: is going to sit here and say Deshaun Watson is

464
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Speaker 1: a crappy quarterback because the Texans went four and twelve.

465
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Speaker 1: I mean, we can all see that he's a great quarterback.

466
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Speaker 1: And there were deficiencies in that roster and in that

467
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Speaker 1: organization period. But when you start getting to the next level,

468
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Speaker 1: once you get to the playoffs and you start playing

469
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Speaker 1: when you have great talent but the other teams have

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Speaker 1: great talent, I do think some of those intangibles can

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Speaker 1: come into play in terms of getting to where you

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Speaker 1: want to go. Yeah, I firmly believe that's part of

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Speaker 1: this offseason, in the growth period that needs to take

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Speaker 1: place with his team and the quarterback. But to your point, Kyle,

475
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Speaker 1: you know who agrees with you on what you just cited,

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Speaker 1: Sam Acho, former Cardinals linebacker who joined us in the

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Speaker 1: Big Red Rage. And one of the first things he said,

478
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Speaker 1: because he watched a number of Cardinals games this year

479
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Speaker 1: and we asked him just for an overall assessment of

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Speaker 1: the offense and Kyler, and one of the things he

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Speaker 1: cited immediately was the need for Kyler to adjust to

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Speaker 1: some of the adjustments defenses made against him. And he

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Speaker 1: cited in particular the New England game and what Belichick

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Speaker 1: did defensively against Kyler in that game. And then a

485
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Speaker 1: lot of teams replicated the alliance even in Week three,

486
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Speaker 1: you know, even after the game Matt Patricia said, Yeah,

487
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Speaker 1: I'm not really all that inclined to share with you

488
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Speaker 1: what our philosophy was in this game and that approach defensively,

489
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Speaker 1: so so yeah, I agree, that is something that in

490
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Speaker 1: the offseason there's probably a lot of self scouting going

491
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Speaker 1: on and trying to realize what exactly defenses did and

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Speaker 1: their adjustments. Yeah, I think that's the breakthrough. To me.

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Speaker 1: It's not a big jump in leadership. It's learning how

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Speaker 1: to read defenses in that one and a half seconds

495
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Speaker 1: after you receive the snap and you're looking and figuring

496
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Speaker 1: out where that safety's dropping too, if it's Cover one

497
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: or Cover two or Cover three, or what teams are

498
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Speaker 1: trying to do against your passing game. When he gets

499
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: to that level and knows where to go with the

500
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Speaker 1: ball consistently, I think he's going to be absolutely dynamic.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's really the threshold that he needs

502
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Speaker 1: to pass. To me, it's not having everybody being with

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Speaker 1: you in gung ho. I feel like these guys are

504
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: between twenty two and thirty eight years old, Like you

505
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: don't need raw ross speeches and mantras and shirts that

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Speaker 1: say something and blah blah blah like that. I don't

507
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: think matters. These guys are playing for millions of dollars.

508
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: If you play well, you get a contract worth millions

509
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Speaker 1: of dollars. That's plenty of motivation in my mind. And

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00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: if Kyler Murray improves on the passing game consistently, that's

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Speaker 1: when this team is going to be really, really good.

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Speaker 1: More so than finding the right leaders in the locker room,

513
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: I just want the best players. So yeah, if you

514
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Speaker 1: do reach the playoffs, every team is more talented. But

515
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Speaker 1: if you have more talent than the other playoff team,

516
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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna win the majority of the time.

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Speaker 1: By the way, speaking at quarterbacks and other sports, I

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Speaker 1: still vividly remember Kyler's rookie year. In the first Cardinals

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Speaker 1: full mini camp practice and after practice, Patrick Peterson and

520
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: his locker and he shook his head. He said, man,

521
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: these baseball quarterbacks are killing me. And he's named names.

522
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: He's at Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, and now this kid.

523
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: And he pointed across the locker room at Kyler Murray,

524
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Speaker 1: who had busted down an array of different arm angles

525
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: during that first mini camp practice and was completing passes

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Speaker 1: on everyone, including Patrick Peterson. I bring that up because Darren,

527
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: do you need to talk us down here about maybe

528
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Speaker 1: our concern level with Kyler and baseball. That seemed to

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Speaker 1: be a popular theme and line up questioning for Kyler,

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Speaker 1: and he didn't exactly avoid the subject of baseball. No.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Kyler's doing a bunch of Super Bowl related

532
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: sponsorship interviews this week, and I know Kyle is hoping

533
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Speaker 1: that Kyler can eventually be that stud center fielder that

534
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: the Cubs meet so badly. But you know, look, Kyler

535
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: still loves the sport. Pat McAfee asked him on the

536
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Speaker 1: show the other day if he basically has disavowed the

537
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: sport now that he's all in the NFL, and he

538
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: basically said no, because he goes, I've done both my

539
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: whole life. I didn't need to like completely forget about

540
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: baseball to be an Italy quarterback. And then mac fias

541
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: if he would like to do both, and Kyler was like, yeah,

542
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: to do both. Now. He did say it would be

543
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Speaker 1: really hard to do it as a quarterback, and I

544
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: do think there's a lot more involved if you're a quarterback.

545
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: Then let's say, if you're Dion Sanders or Bo Jackson,

546
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Speaker 1: you're an outfielder and a running back or a defensive back.

547
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: But but it was funny. At one point, Kyler said

548
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: something like, and I'm paraphrasing, but it would be good

549
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: for everybody. And I'm thinking, I don't know if it

550
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: would be good for everybody. I think it would be

551
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: good for you, because that's something you really want to do.

552
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if it would be good for everybody.

553
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: I just I I still think back to what we

554
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: lost with Bo Jackson because of his injury playing for

555
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Speaker 1: the Raiders, and it not only screwed up what could

556
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,959
Speaker 1: have been a great NFL career, but screwed up what

557
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: was a really good baseball career, and we just were

558
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: robbed of him. And I would just hate to see

559
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: Kyler get hurt in one way shape before him trying

560
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: to do all these different things. I personally think you

561
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: need to concentrate on one. And I think it's great

562
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: that he was able to do it. He did admit,

563
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Speaker 1: I will say this, Paul. He admitted it was the

564
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Speaker 1: hardest decision he's ever had to make to basically forego

565
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Speaker 1: baseball to come to once he was going into the draft.

566
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Speaker 1: But he admitted the reason it was the hardest decision

567
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: wasn't because it was so hard to give up baseball,

568
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: but because he had already told the as he was

569
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Speaker 1: going to play for him, and he basically had to

570
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: go back on his words. So I'll give him that.

571
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Speaker 1: I think that's a good reason to call it a

572
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: really hard decision. Yeah, And it's nothing to do with

573
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Speaker 1: potentially playing for Kyle's cubbs. I mean, has everything to

574
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: do with my childhood team, the Oakland A, So you

575
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: know that was part of the That's what made the

576
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: degree of difficulty as well. Here's the thing, Okay, Dion

577
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: and Bo Jackson and what they did was remarkable, But

578
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Speaker 1: in today's game, to think that he could be an

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Speaker 1: effective hitter against the seventh guy in the bullpen who

580
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: was going to come up and throw ninety eight ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Just the level of pitching in today's game and the

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Speaker 1: sort of gas and velocity these guys thrown out. And

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Speaker 1: I think that you can spend more than half a

584
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Speaker 1: year on another sport and still be an effective hitter

585
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: in a major league batting box. I just don't. I

586
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: don't see that happen yet, did. I mean, that's just

587
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: not feasible or realistic. Yeah. I think he's got all

588
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: the natural tools in the world, and that's why he

589
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: was a top ten baseball pick, which is amazing even

590
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: now thinking back to be number one in football, in

591
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: top ten in baseball. But he's raw. I mean, he

592
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: had a good season in college, one good season the

593
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: year before. He didn't play that well. It was all

594
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: tools and all natural ability. And when you stunt your

595
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: growth for this long, I mean Kyler Murray needed the

596
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: at bats in the minor leagues, in rookie ball, in

597
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: Single A and Double A and just grinding for three

598
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: or four or five years for that talent to really

599
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: come out. And I think he could play center field

600
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: because he's super fast, and obviously he's got the arm

601
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: to play defense and he could steal basses. But I

602
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: agree with you, Paul. I think it's too much to

603
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: ask for somebody to come straight off the football field

604
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: and be an everyday player in Major League Baseball. So

605
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it's super realistic, and you can understand

606
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: why he wants to try. I mean Deon Sanders and

607
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: Bo Jackson are well known to this day because of

608
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: doing that. As good as Deon Sanders is, his football

609
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people remember him because he was a

610
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: two way star, So I see why there's that kind

611
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: of that itch that he wants to scratch. But I

612
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: just don't think it's realistic. I don't think he could

613
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: be a major League baseball player with all this time missed.

614
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 1: When Kyler says it'd be good for everybody, maybe he's

615
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: talking about his marketing team. He's probably talking about Team Kyler,

616
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: because you know, there's no doubt, there's no doubt he

617
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: would elevate his personal brand if he was playing two

618
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: sports in two in the two thousand and twenties, that

619
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: that would be something. No doubt about that, I tell

620
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: you though. The biggest, one of the biggest losses, honestly

621
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: a two twenty in a pandemic was a fact we

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00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: didn't have the Larry Fishgerald Charity softball game because who

623
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: did not want to see Kyler Murray swinging the softball game?

624
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: Come on, I wanted to see a five hundred foot

625
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: jack from Kyler Murray swinging the lumber in the Larry

626
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: softball game. We were robbed of that because of the pandemic. Yeah,

627
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: I have to check his contract to see if he's

628
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: allowed to play this is this is softball out baseball,

629
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: so I'm allowed to do it. Hey. I remember asking

630
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: him was as he had arrived in town after the draft.

631
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: In the first interview I did with him, I send

632
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: and making small talk before the cameras rolled, and I

633
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: just said, Hey, you got a couple of guys on

634
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: this team and play some pretty good golf. You're gonna

635
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: go out with a Pat Pete and Larry and Larry

636
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: playing some golf. He's all, no, I don't play. Is

637
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: it really you don't you know? He said, no, My

638
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: dad never let me swing a golf club. He said,

639
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: to mess up my baseball swing. That's when you know

640
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: a guy's pretty serious about baseball. Yeah, it is, There's

641
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Where does Kyla rank? Just for that, Darren,

642
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: the little snark in there, I'm gonna throw this at you.

643
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: Where does Kyler rank right now in the power poll

644
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: at NFC West Quarterbacks here in real time? Go? Well,

645
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put him ahead of Russell Wilson at

646
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: this point, but I'm still gonna have him number two,

647
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: even with Matthew Stafford in the in the division now,

648
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: I would say Kyler's number two I've probably put Stafford

649
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: three and right now Jimmy Garrappolo four. But you know,

650
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: things can change, Paul, I suppose, but still I still

651
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: very much like the upside of Kyler Murray. How about

652
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: the Rams tweet by the way, speaking of baseball, and

653
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: then I'll get off baseball, when they tweeted at Clayton Kershaw.

654
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: Have you heard from an old friend today? Question mark?

655
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: Because they can't officially officially announce it until March seventeenth,

656
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: and nothing's true. We all know because based on the

657
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins a year ago. Right, it's it's not official

658
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: the whole league year starts. But how about that he

659
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: already has a house what a Newport coast south of

660
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: La Orange County, So man, it's moving ready, He's ready

661
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: to go, Matthew Stafford, Welcome to the NFC West, Paul.

662
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: I was ready to report you too. Old takes exposed

663
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: last week when I listened to the podcast while I

664
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: was on vacation, and then you came around and you said, well,

665
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: the only way Jared Goff is traded as if he

666
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: goes to the Lions. I was, well, that turned out

667
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: pretty well because I was I was ready to jump

668
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: on you, Paul, Well, think think about what both teams

669
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: now have to endure in terms of the dead cap hit. Right,

670
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: So whereas I struck a chord with that one, perhaps

671
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: Kyle Darren later proved me very very wrong on the

672
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan speculation because his dead cap hit is like

673
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: forty million plus, isn't not Darren? So when I was speculating,

674
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 1: I go to the Niners were reunited with Kyle Shanahan.

675
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: Darren threw some serious cold water on that. I'm just

676
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm just excited that Kyle decided to listen to the

677
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: podcast on a week that he wasn't there. I mean,

678
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: that's that's big time. I mean maybe we shouldn't have

679
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: insulted him as much as we did. Yeah, to be honest,

680
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: I listened to it right before recording this one. I

681
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: was replaying in my mind how many shots did we

682
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: take it? Kyle? So maybe moving along right here? Uh,

683
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, I was very disappointed because you guys are like, no,

684
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: they're not trading golf. And then somehow Paul saved himself

685
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes later. But like, okay, there's one scenario. Well,

686
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: let me just say this as someone we all as

687
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: family members are from Motown. So I've followed the Lions

688
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: my entire life, whether I like to or not. I

689
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: cover the Lions for two years, and Barry Sanders was

690
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: there in the early to mid nineties, I would say,

691
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: other than Barry Sanders, it's the first time in half

692
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: a century where I've said to myself, Man, the Lions

693
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 1: front office crushed it. That's the I mean, honestly, one

694
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: of those words ever been said before. And you're nodding, Kyle,

695
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: So I didn't know if you're agreed with that or not,

696
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: but just give me your take and the winners and

697
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: losers in this trade. I certainly like it for Detroit

698
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: because I think it's interesting, like usually a first round

699
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: pick in the next season is devalued, like it's not

700
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 1: worth as much as a first round pick this year,

701
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: but if you look at them, I think of it

702
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: as a rebuilding stage for Detroit. So having a first

703
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: round pick next season it probably makes more sense than

704
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: this year because that means your rookie deal is just

705
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: going to extend one year further. So I really like

706
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: the deal for the Lions. I'm very on the fence

707
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: for the Rams that I obviously value first round picks

708
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: more than lessned does he trades him away like he

709
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: gives away candy at Halloween. But I think they're obviously

710
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: going for it. And Matthew Stafford is a athletic upgrade

711
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: from Jared Goff. Ken Sean McVay tapped that really well.

712
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: And is he gonna be a star quarterback? I mean,

713
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: is Jared Goff below average like we talked about a

714
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: couple weeks ago and mcveay brought him up to being

715
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: decent at times and Ken McVeigh raised Stafford's game even

716
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: more or are these guys more similar than we think? So?

717
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: I think it's a very intriguing question. When you look

718
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: at the Rams. They put a lot of eggs in

719
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: the basket for the next two years or so, and

720
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: then a lot of their stars are gonna be older

721
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a little bit dicey. So I

722
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: personally would not have done this trade if I was

723
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. But you can see why they're really trying

724
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: to maximize these next couple of seasons. I can, and

725
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: I understand that, and I think ultimately that's what it

726
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: comes down to, is you know, you see what Jared

727
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: Goff could give you at times, but you saw what

728
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: he couldn't give you at times, in fact, going all

729
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: the way back to the Super Bowl loss, and that

730
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: obviously frustrated Sean McVay. The interesting part to me in

731
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,479
Speaker 1: a lot of ways is those first round picks. I agree, Look,

732
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm somebody who's kind of come around a little bit

733
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: more where it's like, okay, I think I feel like

734
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm somebody who used to value picks more than maybe

735
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: they should be. I mean, to be able to get

736
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: a known commodity rather than taking a swing at something

737
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: that may or may not be good, you know, especially

738
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: when you look at how many first round picks wash

739
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: out and don't really ever do anything. I think I've

740
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: I've I've wavered on that, but and I don't love

741
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: giving Mike Florial a lot of credit a lot of

742
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: the times. But he just tweeted it out something while

743
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: we were recording and basically says, you know, everybody saying,

744
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's a crap shoot in the first round

745
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: and everything, but if you don't shoot craps, you don't

746
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: in your the rams. You never get Aaron Donald and

747
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: they're not going to have the chance over seven year

748
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: period to a draft in Aaron Donald who they got

749
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: what thirteenth I think he was. It wasn't like it

750
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: was a top five pick. It was gonna be in

751
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: the range or where the Cardinals are picking. So you know,

752
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: you can get some great players. Now, you can get

753
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: great players in the second and third round too, And

754
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: that's part of the crap shoot part of it. But

755
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: it's just a hard balance. And I agree with Kyle,

756
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how much different Matthew Stafford really is.

757
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit of what everybody went

758
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: into this year saying, Okay, was it Belichick or was

759
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: it Brady? What was behind the success? Now we're going

760
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: to see was it was it the Lions dragging Stafford down?

761
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: Or Stafford just not good enough to take the Lions anywhere?

762
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: And we're gonna know because the way the Rams made

763
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: this trade and the way the Rams are built right now,

764
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: they should be a twelve or thirteen win team if

765
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford is really that guy, and if they win

766
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: ten games again, did he really elevate them? And the

767
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: problem the Rams have is, you know, again you're you're

768
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: going to have to do some things with the contract

769
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: that I understand. Golf had a big contract anyways, But

770
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: because you're not getting the younger players through the draft,

771
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: you've got older players and it raises the cap and

772
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: small increments. But we all know that cap is dropping

773
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: pretty significantly this year. Yeah, the Lions defense allowed five

774
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: hundred nineteen points last year in over sixty seven hundred

775
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: total yards. That broke the marks of futilities set by

776
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: their winless team two thousand and eight. That's how bad

777
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: that defense was some of the worst defensive metrics ever

778
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: in the history of the league. So once again, were

779
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: the Lions holding back Stafford? Was Golf holding back the Rams.

780
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: Keep in mind his first two years, the Rams ranked

781
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: first in points his first year twenty seventeen, and they

782
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: ranked second in points twenty eighteen, So Sean McVeigh was

783
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: able to leverage Jared Goffs talent there. Now, I would agree.

784
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: Over the last year plus, not only has he been

785
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: a turnover machine number two overall in turnovers thirty eight

786
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: turnovers the last two years, but that Rams passing game

787
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: has turned into a lot of dank and dunk. The

788
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: chunk throw has been missing. I think Matthew Stafford automatically

789
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: is his significant upgrade there. I think they restore the

790
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: chunk game. But to hear Dan Orlovsky on ESPN, go

791
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: off and say, as a former teammate and Matthew Staffords

792
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: now albeit quote, I expect and Aaron Rodgers type two

793
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: twenty season for Matthew Stafford with that top defense and

794
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: a real run game. So if you're talking about forty

795
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: eight touchdowns in five picks or somewhere in the neighborhood thereof,

796
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: and the Rams have that defense, look out they will

797
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: be in the super Bowl. That's a sort of season

798
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: they get out of Matthew Stafford. Yeah, and they're not.

799
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: I mean they're not going to get that out of

800
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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. I also saw that he said that they're

801
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: the new favorites for next season to win the Super Bowl.

802
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: Like obviously, the Chiefs are still a better team than

803
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: the Rams, even if you add matt Stafford. It's not

804
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: like it is Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes or at

805
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. Matthew Stafford has been above average for his career,

806
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: but he's never been known as that star quarterback alongside

807
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: these other superstars. And I think it would be a

808
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: big leap for him to all of a sudden do

809
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: that at thirty three years old. So I don't I

810
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: don't think that's going to happen. And I also wonder

811
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: are you are they going to regress defensively at all

812
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: like this? Obviously you have Jalen Ramsey and Aaron Donald,

813
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: and those are two great players, but defense is notoriously

814
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: volatile from one season to the next, when even if

815
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: you have a lot of similar players, your efficiency just

816
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: goes up and down depending on who you play, depending

817
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: on the way things happen, injuries. I mean, you can't

818
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: rely on a defense to be dominant season after season.

819
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: So I think Matthew Stafford is going to have to

820
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: reach that top three, top five quarterback level for them

821
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: to truly be the favorites in the NFC, and I

822
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: don't know if that's going to happen. Keep in mind,

823
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: the Rams lost their defensive coordinator, Brandon Staley obviously now

824
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: the head coach of the Chargers. You're talking about a

825
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: defense that was number one in points and yards and

826
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: first downs allowed, touchdowns allowed, passing defense. I think there

827
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: were number one in every category that counted, So you

828
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: got your right coal to expect them to replicate that

829
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: two years and it's not realistic, It just isn't. But

830
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: as Matthew Stafford that kind of guy who can elevate

831
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: players around him, he obviously never did it with the Lions. Now,

832
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: they didn't make the playoffs three times, and Jim Caldwell

833
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: was you know, and then they moved on from the

834
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: head coach. He helped him make the playoffs, which is

835
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: a major milestone in Lions history. They have what one

836
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: playoff win since nineteen fifty seven everybody now and Bobby

837
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: Lane winning the NFL champion ship, so that yes, but

838
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, think about this. The last time we saw

839
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, guys was Week three, and it was a

840
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: fourth quarter where he led the Lions to victory at

841
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: State Farm Stadium. He went ten to thirteen in that

842
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: fourth quarter for a buck forty four and he led

843
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: the game winning drive from the nine yard line with

844
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: under five minutes to go. Remember to set up the

845
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: prayer game winning fuel goal. It was zeros on the clock.

846
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: So the last time the Cardinals saw Matthew Stafford, he

847
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: was engineering a game winning drive. And then afterwards, I

848
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: still remember the quote him saying some along the lines

849
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: of wealth, it wasn't for the turnovers by the offense,

850
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: because our defense was excellent. We should have put forty

851
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: up on the board against the Cardinals. So look to me,

852
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: as much as I'm a fan of Jared Goff and

853
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: I have been, and I've been a defender of him,

854
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: there's no question in my mind the Rams just made

855
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: a significant upgrade, and really the one area that they

856
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: needed because the one thing that killed him a year

857
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: ago was the guy who Sean McVay actually publicly criticized,

858
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: and that's where we knew it started to go off

859
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: the rails. Well, Brad Holmes, Darren brad Holmes, who went

860
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: from the Rams to the Lions, from office to BGM,

861
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 1: he must have known how much Sean McVay wanted out

862
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: from under that quarterback head coach relationship and leveraged it

863
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: to the point of that sort of a live sided deal.

864
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: At least that was my initial takeaway when I saw that. Well,

865
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: the one good thing is that because the Cardinals play

866
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: the Lions on a yearly basis to the point that

867
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: you would think they'd be in the same division, they've

868
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: seen a lot of Matthew Stafford, so they're going to

869
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: have an idea of what he's going to bring to

870
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: the table. And let's face it, I mean the way

871
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: it's quite gone for the Cardinals against Jared Goff, Quite frankly,

872
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: it's probably good for the Cardinals that he's gone. I mean,

873
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: he's diced them up. I forget what he's done against

874
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: other teams. I mean, he has been awesome against the

875
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: Cardinals most of the time. So you know, the one

876
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: time that the one time the Cardinals defense was able

877
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: to have in there since mcvaigh took over as coach,

878
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,479
Speaker 1: John Walford was the quarterback. So you know, I don't

879
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're the Cardinals, that really could

880
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: get much worse, quite frankly, facing Matthew Stafford. Well, and

881
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: there's also the reasons, you know, the Lions got that

882
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: sort of compensation with the picks and the players because

883
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: they took on Goffe's contract, obviously, But I heard someone

884
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: else make the point that, well, what if, what if

885
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford is the only quarterback who ends up on

886
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: the trade market this offseason. For all the speculation about

887
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: all the different quarterbacks, the Texans really going to make

888
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: the mistake of devesting themselves from Deshaun Watson, as broken

889
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: as it might appear from the outside looking in, I mean,

890
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: Kyle Matthew Stafford might be the only guy who ends

891
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: up getting traded in the offseason. Thus he commanded that

892
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: sort of price. Yeah, I think you have to pay

893
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 1: King's ransom if you believe that a quarterback can take

894
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: you a notch higher and be Super Bowl contenders. So

895
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: you understand certainly the thought process to what the Rams

896
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: are doing. And Aaron Donald I think is thirty years

897
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: old or so and as much of a freak as

898
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: he is, I mean, once he gets two or three

899
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: years down the line, you figure those skills are going

900
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: to start waning a little bit, and you want to

901
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: take advantage of his prime, of Jalen Ramsey's prime. So

902
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: you needed to try to win down if you didn't

903
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: feel like Jared Goff could do it. That's why they

904
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: made this trade. But it goes back to what you're saying.

905
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: There's the supply and demand at quarterback is always wacky.

906
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: So did they talk themselves into Matthew Stafford a little

907
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: bit or did they say we think he's a star

908
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: that he just was brought down for a decade by

909
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: bad surroundings. So it's a gamble for sure, and they

910
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: believe in him. But I agree with you. If there

911
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: were ten different quarterbacks and the Rams could have picked

912
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: and choosed on what offers they wanted to do, maybe

913
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: it looks different. But clearly Matthew Stafford is one of

914
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: the few veteran signal callers that was going to be available,

915
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: and they pounced on it. Of other quarterbacks potentially in

916
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: the trade market, you see where Peter King reported that

917
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: the interest in Stafford was significant. Carolina, the Colts, the Broncos,

918
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: and pause for effect, the forty nine ers. So what

919
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: about the scenario where the forty nine ers are the

920
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: ones who make the most serious run. Added to Shaun Watson,

921
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: considering Nick as Sarrio, the new GM was the former

922
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: executive with the Patriots and a guy who's very instrumental

923
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: in wait for it, drafting Jimmy G. And so maybe

924
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy G goes to the Texans. They try and instill

925
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: that Belichip type culture, and who's better than a guy

926
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: who knows that inside out like a Jimmy G. And

927
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 1: that's the beginning of the formation of a trade Deshaun

928
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: Watson coming into the NFC West, Darren, Why if you're

929
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: the Texans, why would you trade for the contract of

930
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, which is way or priced right now? I mean,

931
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 1: that makes no sense to me. And if you're Jimmy Garoppolo,

932
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: you're not taking any kind of pay cut. You're gonna

933
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: you'd rather be on the open market. So I don't

934
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: think Jimmy Garoppolo is a piece. Now, if you're the

935
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: forty nine ers and somehow you could acquire Deshaun Watson

936
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: without Jimmy Garoppolo being a part of it, and then

937
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: you could just cut them what you can given his

938
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: contract situation, then that makes more sense. But I don't

939
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm if I'm the forty nine ers,

940
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. If I'm the Texans, I don't know

941
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: what I'm getting there. I mean, the forty nine ers

942
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: aren't picking quite high enough to get the best quarterback obviously.

943
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: Um if you're if you're the Texans, are you're taking

944
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen reports where they want multiple draft

945
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: picks and maybe two young defensive players. I mean, if

946
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: you're the forty nine ers, is DeShawn Watson, Worth, Joey

947
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: Bosa and Fred Warner. Uh, you know art of your

948
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: defense right there, Nick, no doubt. Yeah, and it's Nick

949
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: Bosa wouldn't be Joe and Bosa. Sorry Chargers fans, But

950
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,959
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't know if they've got

951
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: when I hear deals for Watson. That's why the Dolphins

952
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: and the Jets just seem so much make more so

953
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: much sense because they've got the picks, and they've got

954
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: a young quarterback that can send the other way that

955
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: the Texans can either work with or they can go

956
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: in a different direction. But they've got decent contracts and

957
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: there's still some upside there. I just I don't know

958
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: if Jimmy Garoppolo's that guy, and especially not for whatever

959
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: he's making twenty five million dollars a year in his

960
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: current deal. I just wanted to or if the Texans

961
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: are dead set and sending him to the NFC, do

962
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: you really do you really want to keep them in

963
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: the AFC? And you look at what Kyle Shanahan has

964
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: done with below average quarterbacks for years. I'm constantly a

965
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 1: maid seeing them twice a year, the things he dials

966
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: up and a lot of times they have just not

967
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: been able to execute it. With Jimmy g and Mullins

968
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: and CJ. Bethard. Can you imagine Deshaun Watson at quarterback

969
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: with the type of run game that they have and

970
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: now you add a mobile quarterback to that. I mean,

971
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: it would be borderline unstoppable. And that's why it is scary.

972
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: Like they do have the assets. They could say, here's

973
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: Nick Boza and Fred Warner in our first round pick.

974
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: That's attractive to me. If I'm the Texans, where you

975
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: talk about two of the best defenders in the NFL

976
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: at their position plus a pick or two. I mean,

977
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: if the Niners want to do it, I think they

978
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: have the capital to do it. But it's it's a

979
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: huge decision on both sides. I mean, you're blowing up

980
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: one of the best defenses in the NFL for a

981
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: great quarterback. So I think I think if you can

982
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: get to Shaun Watson, you give up those pieces to

983
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: do it, because him in San fran would be a nightmare. Um,

984
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: but it would take some gravy toss certainly to pull

985
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: that off. I would agree Paul that if I'm the Texans,

986
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm if I'm gonna trade Deshaun Watson. I want him

987
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: in the NFC. There's no that would be my first choice.

988
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: And if if the forty Niners were willing to offer me,

989
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: you know, to me, if you give me those two

990
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: defensive players, and which I don't think they would be

991
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: willing to give up both of them, but if you

992
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: give me those two defensive players at first and maybe

993
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: a second next year or whatever, I might pull the

994
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: trigger on that. But you're also talking about the forty

995
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: nine Ers being a team that just got to the

996
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppolo and because of that coaching

997
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: staff and their defense, and as unfortunately, as great as

998
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: Watson is, and he is great, we also saw what

999
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: happens if you put you know, as great as he

1000
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: was that he won four games because you do need

1001
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: other things around him, and do you weaken yourself too much.

1002
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: It's really tough at this point for any of these teams.

1003
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, I would I would we

1004
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: talk about power rankings. If Deshaun Watson ends up in

1005
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: San Francisco, that changes the equation quite a bit in

1006
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: terms of the power rankings in this division. Well, and

1007
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: the Niners just played a whole season almost fifteen and

1008
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: a half games without Nick Bosa, so you know they

1009
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: do have talent on that defensive front still after losing

1010
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: to Boris Buckner. But yeah, I'm with you, guys. I'm

1011
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: much more in favor of seeing the Kirk Cousins trade

1012
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: rumors to the forty nine ers than to Shaun Watson.

1013
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: Put it that way, the reunion of Kirk Cousins with

1014
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,959
Speaker 1: Kyle Shannon was former ROC in Washington. It's much more

1015
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: pleasing to the eye than the prospect of Shawn Watson

1016
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: coming into the division. Watson, Wilson Murray in the same division.

1017
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: That would that would be a yeah. I mean you're

1018
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,479
Speaker 1: not even including Stafford at this point, who's still pretty

1019
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: good quarterback. Oh yeah, I mean, oh my gosh, that right.

1020
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean the TV networks, if they had a seventeen

1021
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: they had the seventeenth game, they just make it a

1022
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: division game from the NFC West. Just get more of those,

1023
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: I'm seriously, just get more of the NCSQBS a national TV.

1024
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: So what do you think about some speaking of these

1025
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: reports that are out, and of course it's another week

1026
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: another mock draft. Where we start. We started at Travis

1027
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: etn right, that's where we started. Travis etn supposedly coming

1028
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals in number sixteen, the latest Bucky Brooks

1029
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com. And look, I do not just gloss

1030
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: over a Bucky Brooks mock trap. Here's a guy who

1031
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: has a history and personnel, and I do look at it,

1032
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: and I read through the whole entire first round. It's

1033
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: the first week of February. Paul when he has when

1034
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: he has the Heisman winner going to the Cardinals at

1035
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: number sixteen. DeVante Smith, Kyle, your reaction is what I'm

1036
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: talking about. No more running backs are inside linebackers. Finally

1037
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: a position that I want to talk about. I mean,

1038
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: the Cardinals have a hole at the wide receiver, and

1039
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean DeVante Smith to me, would be a naturally

1040
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: perfect fit. I think they would be extremely excited if

1041
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: he was there at sixteen. I mean, we'll see what

1042
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: happens in free agency. Maybe you sign that that wide

1043
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: receiver and and you don't need one. But at this moment,

1044
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: I think it's a glaring hole and he would fit it.

1045
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, it makes a ton of sense.

1046
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: It feels like there have been these premium positions quarterback, corner, edge, rusher,

1047
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. But I think wide receivers right there too.

1048
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: It's such a passing league. We saw this season that

1049
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: when the Cardinals didn't have a second wide receiver, their

1050
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: offense bogged down. And I think it's important to have

1051
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: these different weapons, and that to me that in cornerback

1052
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: are the big two heading into the offseason. So yeah,

1053
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: I think a wide receiver at sixteen and one that

1054
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: good would be a really nice pull for the Cardinals.

1055
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: You know, I retweeted that out, and you know, all

1056
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: these all these mock draft experts out there at me,

1057
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, at Paul calBC by the way, and they're

1058
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: letting me have it because they're saying there's no way

1059
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna be there at sixteen. Yeah. Hello, how often

1060
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: how much time do we spend last year talking about

1061
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: Ceedee lamb be in top ten? It would he even

1062
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Speaker 1: be there at number eight for the Cardinals and he

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00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: went seventeen to the Cowboys. So let's not dismiss the

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00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: possibility of the very real possibility of the Heisman winner

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00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: being there, especially when his measurables aren't gonna be that impressive. Obviously,

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00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: he's so slight. I know they list him at six one?

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00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: Is he truly six one? To me? You see him,

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00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: he doesn't appear to be. He appears to be about

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00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: five eleven or so. I don't know, we'll see. I'm

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Speaker 1: very curious. I'm not into the whole measurables at the

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00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: combine in the hand size, but that is one kid

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Speaker 1: I want to see and see what the tail of

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00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: the tape says on that one. And who knows. I

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00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: don't know what his forty's gonna be, but with the measurables,

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Speaker 1: I think he will be there at sixteen, or at

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00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: least there's a good shot at it. And the Cardinals

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00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: might have that decision to make. Well. I mean, I

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00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: like the idea of adding a wide receiver. He is

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00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: an incredible talent. You know. I'm not gonna lie. I

1080
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: wish he was had about twenty more pounds on him,

1081
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: because you are talking about an outside guy, and not

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00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: a huge outside guy, and not a guy who, as

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00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: you said, with the measurable speed that Henry Ruggs might

1084
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: have or even Andy Isabella. So but he's proven himself

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00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: on a big stage multiple times and he's been pretty amazing.

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00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: So and at sixteen, that's a pick that makes sense

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00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: to me. You know, would I do it at eight?

1088
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, like last year, but sixteen does make

1089
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: sense now. Again, like Kyle said, the question becomes what

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00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: happens and in free agency? And what's really fascinating to

1091
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: me this year is what does the market look like

1092
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: in free agency? Not with the guys with expiring contracts necessarily,

1093
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: but with the guys that may or may not be

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00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: released for cap purposes, which I assume will come right

1095
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: around right before free agency starts, because you're going to

1096
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: want a clear cap room to sign other guys or

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00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: guys you might need, or whatever it is. Could there

1098
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: be somebody on the market that makes sense that you

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00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: can get for a bargain that would change the course

1100
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: of what you might do in the draft, And I

1101
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: think that's that's the big wild card. Now, maybe nothing happens,

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00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we're misinterpreting how it might impact the free

1103
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: agent market, or maybe these cuts are going to come later,

1104
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. But there could be some

1105
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: talented players that are out there on the street, and

1106
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: maybe not everybody that somebody that everybody's always going to know,

1107
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: but the personnel departments know that might be available that

1108
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense to fill, whether it be

1109
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: wide receiver or anything else. Well, then you have to

1110
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: gauge what exactly is a Cardinal's need at receiver? Right,

1111
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: So we pose the question again here on Cardinals Underground,

1112
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 1: brought you by Pacific Office Automation pro partner of the years.

1113
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: On the Cardinals, what is the deal with Larry? We're

1114
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: into February now, we are recording this hours before the

1115
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: Phoenix opened pro AM, So there's an opportunity for Larry

1116
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: to be interviewed or maybe not. I'm not sure. What

1117
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: is the media accessibility to the PROGAM this year? Considering

1118
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: the pandemic? Is he going to have to face the

1119
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: reporters and the microphones? I mean, I don't I don't know.

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00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: I know we couldn't get just a day pass for

1121
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: the media access. I know they'll be reporters. But whether

1122
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: he talks or not, I don't know. If I'm him,

1123
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm taking a pass, and I'm sure there would let

1124
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: him take a pass. I certainly wouldn't expect him to

1125
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: say anything other than you know, I'm thinking about it

1126
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. Larry Fitzgerald's not the guy to

1127
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: sit at the golf course and stay in front of

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00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: a few cameras. Yeah, I've decided to do this, or

1129
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: I've decided to do that. I certainly don't expect the decision.

1130
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: I'm Larry. I just cite social distancing, and I keep walking.

1131
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: Just a nice, nice golf clap and a wave and

1132
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: just keep on walk in and just make my way

1133
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 1: to my cart. That's what I expect. Put it that way.

1134
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: It is interesting that we're still kind of waiting on that.

1135
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we are talking about a lot of

1136
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: different scenarios, and like you said, Paul, I mean, if

1137
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: if Larry decides to come back, that certainly might change

1138
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: your thought process for at least free agency. Like I

1139
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: don't know if it changes much for the draft because

1140
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: I think you know, you, Larry is on a year

1141
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: to year basis and you and Christian Kirk is going

1142
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: into his last year of his deal next season, so

1143
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: long term, you have some questions at wide receiver, so

1144
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: I think drafting a wider fever wouldn't be an issue.

1145
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: Like You're you're gonna need one at some point in

1146
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: these next two years, whether it's immediate or next season,

1147
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: I don't know yet. But free agency is a different animal,

1148
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: because if Larry wants to come back, that's gonna take

1149
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: a chunk of the cap. You still have Hopkins, you

1150
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: still have Kirk, you still have Isabella, So then maybe

1151
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: you're not as much in the market for a wide

1152
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: receiver in free agency. Fitz isn't gonna make any decisions

1153
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl week anyways. He wouldn't step on the

1154
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowl like that. Yeah, yeah, Or he'd wait till

1155
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: he's actually in Tampa if he's going this year, and

1156
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, if he if he's gonna make a public announcement,

1157
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: then he would use the Super Bowl media and that platform,

1158
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: with all due respect of the Phoenix Open and the

1159
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: local media as opposed to But you're right, Darren, it's

1160
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: gonna be a nondescript in the off season where if

1161
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: indeed he's size to walk away, it'll probably be a

1162
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: link tweeted out to a player's tribune article. Correct, you know,

1163
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: I spect something like that. It's funny that you bring

1164
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,439
Speaker 1: it up because and I know we're trying to wrap

1165
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: things up here, but one of the Super Bowls I

1166
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: covered when I was a beat writer for the East

1167
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: Valley Tribune, Emmett Smith announced his retirement at the super Bowl.

1168
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: Super Bowl week. He actually had a ballroom that all

1169
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: came together in the matter of a day or so,

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01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: and it was packed in there so that all the

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01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: media of the world was there to cover it. And

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01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to be at the Super Bowl,

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01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: so I was able to cover it live. And you know,

1174
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: obviously it was a very Dallas cowboy tinge thing. Although

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01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: the one thing I do remember tremendously with Emmett was

1176
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: him making a lie and that his young son was

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01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: so young that hadn't he had no memories of the Cowboys,

1178
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: so his young son was a giant Cardinals fan. And

1179
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, Jerry Jones is sitting up there on the

1180
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: days with Emmett and there's a cowboy helmet. And Emmett

1181
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: was gracious and he was sure he thinked First of all,

1182
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: he think I think every buddy he ever played with

1183
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: it was a round in football names, even um. But

1184
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: he did not forget the Cardinals or all the people involved.

1185
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: I thought that was very cool of him, but definitely

1186
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: had a cowboy tint to it. Well, we did. You

1187
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: can announce your retirement to like eighty seven different countries

1188
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: who are there covering the Super Bowl. You know you

1189
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,959
Speaker 1: got to you gotta take advantage of that moment. Sure

1190
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: you know that global coverage potatum. It's not a stupid man.

1191
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: You know. I'm still sticking since I'm on a roll, Kyle,

1192
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: and I'm glad you cited it. I single handedly looked

1193
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: into my Crystal football and called the Matthew Stafford trade.

1194
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: Jared Golf to the Lions and Stafford to to La.

1195
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna reiterate what I've been saying since basically

1196
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Cardinals goal corner and round one edge rusher and

1197
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: round two receiver in round three. So we can go

1198
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: ahead and mark that here on you know this this

1199
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: first week of February, and we'll come back to that

1200
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: in about two and a half months. So why do

1201
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: you think they'd need an edge rusher? Well, the whole

1202
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones last year of his contract. What exactly happens

1203
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: with Hasan Reddick is somebody make a stupid offer out

1204
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: there for Hassan Reddick. You know, the Olivier burning type

1205
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: offer for Hassan Reddick. I'm not so confident that he's

1206
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: going to be back into Cardinal's uniform. We want him

1207
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: to have him back long term. There's no doubt about it.

1208
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: So then where what are you looking at? Marcus Golden

1209
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: is a free agent. I mean that is not only

1210
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: a critical position they use high in the draft, per

1211
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: the steep kind philosophy, but all of a sudden, that's

1212
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: a position of dire need, is it not. Yeah, I

1213
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: guess we'll see how the dominoes drop. I mean that

1214
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: all makes sense if they get to that point. And yeah,

1215
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: I think Reddick is the big question if you if

1216
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: you sign him to a couple of year deal, he's

1217
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: in the prime and you don't have to worry about

1218
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: it as much. But you're right if if he leaves,

1219
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: if Chandler Jones is on the last year of his deal,

1220
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: if Marcus Golden is only signed to one or two years,

1221
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: then it does make sense. But I think as of

1222
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: now I would put wide out in corner a lot

1223
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: higher than ed Rusher. Darren. You you want to be,

1224
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative

1225
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: here and get one one last you know, shot in

1226
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: and anyone for any reason here. As we wrap up

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Underground, brought you by Specific Office Automation,

1228
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: proud partner at the Arizona Cardinals. I mean, I really

1229
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: appreciate the offer, Paul. And you know, you never did

1230
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: answer the question about your pregame meal. The meal exactly.

1231
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: You're a super Bowl winner, you get the ring and

1232
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: what's on your plate? Some you know, a good uh

1233
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: some sushi. I think I think a nice trip to

1234
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: the sushi bar would be you know, a high class

1235
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,479
Speaker 1: sushi bar would be really good. I think that would

1236
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: be quality. I'll take, I take, I'll take Mike Helm

1237
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: with me. We'll have some saki and enjoy ourselves. That's good.

1238
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: He'll select which tool song to play, Mike Helm, so

1239
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: you'll be all set. That's the purpose. That's the perfect

1240
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: accompany and then for any play to sushi. And that's

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Speaker 1: this addition to Cardinals Underground