1 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: Welcome to the OTP from India and the combine. I 2 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: would call it the Titans Fab four Edition of the OTP, 3 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: except that I have been advised by our legal department 4 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: that FAB four is trademarked by somebody and that it 5 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: would be inaccurate. Well, it's just odd. By name is 6 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: Mike Keith. You've just heard Amy Wells chime in. Jim 7 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: White from Titans Online dot Com is here for his 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: eighty seventh consecutive combine. Jim, Welcome to the program. Glad 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: to be here. Would it not be the Fab four? 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: You say inacurate because one of the four is not FAB? Well, 11 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,639 Speaker 1: I don't know. You'd have to talk to legal. If 12 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: you don't know who's not fab, it's you. That's the 13 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: one we know who is fab is coach Dave McGinnis, 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: but not legal. He will be playing the role in 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: terms of audio today of Sam Elliott because that's who 16 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: he sounds like right now. Coach Mackett is good to 17 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: have you with us as part of this edition of 18 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: the OTP. You know what, this is my first combine 19 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: with you guys doing this and I love it. I 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: mean this is my thirty third, thirty fourth time of 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: the mayor of the combine. Well, you know, if you've 22 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: been someplace for thirty four years, you know a lot 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: of people. But Jason Garrett, the Dallas Cowboys coach, just 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: stopped you out in the hall. How long have you 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: known Jason Garrett? Well, I said he was a teenager 26 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: or something. I hired his brother John on my staff 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: at Arizona, and I knew his dad, you know, when 28 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: he was scouting for a long time. Yes, So the 29 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: answer is yeah, yeah, yeah, a long time. But it's 30 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: great being here with you guys. It's cool. This is neat. 31 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: It takes three hours to get anywhere with Coach mac though. 32 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: Any place you want to walk you stop every two 33 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: and a half steps because he knows somebody and wants 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: to catch up. And that's part of the combine. Yeah, 35 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: but like you gotta get through all of that. So 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: if you need to be anywhere on time, no shot, 37 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: tell Coach mac Niche. Ashley Farrell was so mad at 38 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: me last night. We were walking back from dinner and 39 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: it's really cold and indie at night. When whipping through 40 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: the buildings, she finally said, Coach Mike, please, next person 41 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: you know, don't say hello to him. But that's got 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: to be kind of a big thrill. That's great. I mean, 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: I love it. I've always enjoyed coming up here. And 44 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 1: of course, you know, as a coach, when you're coming 45 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: up here, I mean it's it's a pretty much of 46 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: a grind because once you once the players start coming in, 47 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're working. And even before the players 48 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: start working out, you're in the train station interviewing. I mean, 49 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: it's it's it's pretty much you know, you're you're from 50 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: seven in the morning until eleven at night. It's a 51 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: pretty good grind. I've enjoyed this. Today is Thursday, February 52 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: the twenty eighth, and the combine itself is really starting, Jim. 53 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: Things really pick up today for the players, and we 54 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: roll basically through I guess Tuesday, right, that's right. Uh, 55 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, the for the media, it's through Sunday. That's 56 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: when they close it down here inside this building. But 57 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: today's when the interviews start, when the players start coming 58 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: to the podium. Kyler murrays tomorrow. I was already looking 59 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: at the list to see when some of the bigger 60 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: names come through, and certainly some big names come through today, 61 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: but I have a film. He'll be the guy that 62 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: draws the biggest crowd this week. All right, I want 63 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: to start off this combined edition of the OTP with 64 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: a name, and I want to see first. Don't chime in, gentlemen. 65 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: I want to see Amy Wells knows this name. No, No, 66 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: Mike Mamoula. Do you know the name Mike Mamoula. Now 67 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: you're you're young. I don't expect you to, but I 68 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: just wondered if you'd heard tell I appreciate you calling 69 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: me young. Let's keep that going. But no, I don't 70 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: know that name. Mike Mammoula is one of the most 71 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: famous combined stories. In nineteen ninety five, defensive end out 72 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: of Boston College came here and blew the combine away. 73 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: Did twenty six on the bench press, ran four five 74 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: eight forty nine on the wonderlick, thirty eight and a 75 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: half on the vertical. He went from being he was 76 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: a good player at Boston College. He had twenty nine 77 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: sacks's last two years, but he went from being a 78 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: second or third round pick to ending up being the 79 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: seven even pick overall. And when people talk about a 80 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: guy being a Mike Mamula. What are they saying, Coach 81 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: Mack Well that you know, first of all, it's a 82 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: little bit of a you know, it's a little bit 83 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: of a misnomer, because Michael Mula was a good player. 84 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: I mean it was a good player. You know, I was, 85 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: I was, I was coaching at the Bears, and I 86 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: vetted him. I wrote a report on him, you know, 87 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: And and he was a guy that he played really 88 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: good at Boston College had good production. You didn't you 89 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: didn't quite see those numbers, you know, on tape. The 90 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: interesting part about it was, I mean, and you just 91 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 1: said where he went up you realized during that draft, 92 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,559 Speaker 1: as the ninety five draft when we were at the Bears, 93 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: we took Rashawn Salam that was from the Oilers. I 94 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: think that was I mean, that was Eddie George. Yeah. 95 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: So anyway, the thing, the thing that happened with that 96 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: thing they trade that was Steve Mcnairycae. They they they 97 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: traded with Tampa. They traded up with Tampa to go 98 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: get that pick. And and the two people that Tampa 99 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: took with the trade down. Everybody will know these names. 100 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: And first of all, they're two Hall of famers, Yes, 101 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: It's crazy how the draft works. I mean, it was 102 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: Derek Brooks and Warren Sapp and Warren Sap and that's 103 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: how it went. The head coach at the Eagles at 104 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: the time was with Ray Rhodes, and Ray Rhodes and 105 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: I were in the same freshman class together at TCU, 106 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: you know, as football players, and so it was, Yeah, 107 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: everybody was shocked when they moved up and then when 108 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: they took him. And as you said, Mike, you I mean, 109 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, all of all of his stats. He was 110 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: a good football player, but the expectations that were put 111 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: on him because of where he was traded up to 112 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: were really a little out of whack. Jim White, does 113 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: it surprise you to learn that Mike Mamula had an 114 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: eight sack year with the Eagles and an eight and 115 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: a half sack year and finished his five years there 116 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: were thirty one and a half sacks. Pretty impressive. Well, 117 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: I think to Coach Max's point, because when you hear 118 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: all this guy maybe a Mike Mamula, he may he'd 119 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: be a guy who tests off the church. I mean, 120 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: that's a good NFL career. He had an injury that 121 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: basically finished him, but he was a good player, he 122 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: just wasn't what was perceived coming out of Indianapolis and 123 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: with a seventh overall pick. Yeah, and we see. I mean, 124 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: obviously this guy wasn't drafted nearly his high but people 125 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: in Nashville Moore familiar with him. But you know, Chris 126 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: Henry something like that, who has who blows it away 127 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: during running back from Arizona? Right, who blows it away 128 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: during some of the drills leading up to the combine. 129 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: And then, uh, he didn't do nearly what Mike Winbullo did. 130 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: I mean, his career never took off, and he climbed 131 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: the ranks by his you know what, he what he ran, 132 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: you know what he did physically and not necessarily based 133 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: on what he did on tape. And that's why a 134 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: lot of coaches and gems will tell you what's the 135 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: most important thing is what you do on the football field. 136 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: So let me ask a question. I think I'll start 137 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: with coach Mack. Just because you are an evaluator of 138 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: talent for many, many years, why are we doing this 139 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: the whole combine? If sometimes it can be a little 140 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: skewed and may or may not actually be an indicator 141 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: of a guy's production through his career. You know, if 142 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: you think about putting together a picture of a player 143 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: for where you're gonna slide in both vertically and horizontally 144 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,559 Speaker 1: on a draft board, you use this as a piece 145 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: of that puzzle. The biggest thing that comes out of 146 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: this is you get an apples to Apple's look at 147 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: everybody on the medicals. That's huge. That is really huge. 148 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: Now the drills and what you see. Some of the 149 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: things that you see, you confirm that you've watched on tape. 150 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: This is a piece of the puzzle. And the better 151 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: scouting staffs and the better organizations, you don't weight this 152 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: any heavier than you weight anything else. And to Jim's point, 153 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: the thing that carries the most weight is how they 154 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: play on tape, because you know you're drafting football players, 155 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: but they're over the years. I saw where Gil Brand 156 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: had just put out a chart, you know, as to 157 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: where they had you know, certain measurements and numbers and 158 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: places where you know players should hit depending on the 159 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: positions they play. At least, if you've been doing this 160 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: for a while, you've got some historical averages to look at. 161 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: But still you've got some guys that came here that 162 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: that I mean, I drafted one of them at Arizona 163 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: and Quan Boldin was not a combine quiz and quanbo 164 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: and I mean he ran four seven He's a receiver 165 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: that ran four seven two, and he was originally talked 166 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: about as a first round pick and then he came 167 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: here and ran four seven two and everybody went, now, 168 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: he ran four seven two, and so I was able 169 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: to get him in the second round and the rest 170 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: is history. So you, I mean, you have to be 171 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: able to but I think if you've got a good 172 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: history and a body of work that you can reference 173 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: things too. This is just a piece of the puzzle. 174 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: Amy as a reporter covering this for the Tennessee and 175 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: now for the Titans and for Titans online dot com. Jim, 176 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: what are the most important storylines that you have found 177 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: over the years that end up mattering that come out 178 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: of the combine? I mean, I think from a reporter standpoint, 179 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: because we don't mean I think a lot of people 180 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: figure you, Okay, you're going to combine and you're gonna 181 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: be watching the drills, gonna see these guys. I mean, 182 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: obviously we got the bench press right here behind us. 183 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: That hasn't always been the case, so it's not like 184 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: you can see the drills. I'm always interested to see 185 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: how these guys handle themselves, you know, in front of 186 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: the big crowds and all the questions I have to answer, 187 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: And these guys have got to be honest, and they're 188 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: getting these same they're not getting anything here with the 189 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: reporters that they're not getting behind closed doors with these 190 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: teams during these fifteen minute interviews. I'm always curious to 191 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: see how these guys handle themselves. Some of them coming 192 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: here like a Tim Tebow and there's not a flaw 193 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: next to his name, and and then other guys coming here, 194 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: certainly with some baggage, with questions they have to answer 195 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: with this off the field stuff, and I'm always curious 196 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: see how those guys handle those situations as well. Certainly 197 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: interested in the drills, certain interest see with the guys run, 198 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: you know what guys run again, So A're coming back 199 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: to that. I mean a lot of times that helps. 200 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's over eight. I mean, who knows if the 201 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: Bengals are really talking about trading ross. But he blew 202 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: the combine away a couple of years ago, and now 203 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: he's but he's reportedly on the market for being traded. 204 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: So I guess from a reporter standpoint, it's more what 205 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: you find out about the guy during your time with 206 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: him here at the combine well, and that and that 207 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: goes to the coaching aspect of it too, you know. 208 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: And and and Amy asked a very good question about 209 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: what do you get from this? The next things you 210 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: get is face to face with these players, and not 211 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: only the fifteen minutes that you get sixty of them 212 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: that you schedule in your in your room, you know, 213 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: over at the holiday end, the sixty of them that 214 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: you have, but also where they call the train station 215 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: where the assistant coaches. They've got thirty two tables set 216 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: up in a huge, uh you know, auditorium place over 217 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: there that you can get as many players as you want, 218 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: and that's where the assistant coaches can really sit down 219 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: and start to grind on these guys and really kind 220 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: of find out what they're about, you know, family wise, 221 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: find out what they're about, football wise, and just find 222 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 1: out and to your point, Jim, how they handle themselves 223 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: around what's going on. Who's the most impressive. I'm buying 224 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: an interview you were ever involved with Dave McGinnis, I 225 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: would have to say James Laurias, James Laurnias out of 226 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: Ohio State. I mean, you know, immediately as soon as 227 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: he left the room, you know, I said, that's a 228 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: middle linebacker in this league. And and and and and 229 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: James Laurnias wasn't the fastest player, but you could just 230 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: tell the presence that he had, and when you sat 231 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: down with him, you know he was he was so 232 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: dialed in and and and ended up clearly, you know, 233 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: coaching James at the Rams. We went to the Rams 234 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: and and you just know, and if you've done it, 235 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: you know long enough, you get a point of reference 236 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: where you get it back to. But he was impressive 237 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: just because of the way he handled himself, his knowledge 238 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: of what was going on, and also when you I mean, 239 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: you know, you know, his dad, Joe was the animal, 240 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: you know, so and so I mean, it's a very 241 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: unique background. But yeah, I know, you know, that's why 242 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: I brought it up to you. But uh, and and 243 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: Joe was in a lot of practices up there at 244 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: to Rams. But anyway, James laur Nias was just because 245 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: the way he presented himself. I tell you what I 246 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: would never ever want to be in an NFL interview 247 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: at the NFL Combine. No chance I would crack under 248 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: the pressure. It's an intense fifteen minutes. You've got coaches, 249 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: general managers, assistant coaches coordinated, everybody's in a room, scouts 250 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: are in there and you. I mean, it's a firing squad. 251 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: You are taking questions from here and there and everywhere. 252 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: They're asking you to do things. They're trying to see 253 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: how you're gonna respond. They're doing crazy things too, like Nope, Nope, 254 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: I would crack. I would cry. Have you ever heard 255 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: or reported it much that has happened in one of 256 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: those interviews, Jim. Have you heard a lot of stories, 257 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: probably heard stories more than you know, just the things 258 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: that coaches will do or scouts will do that will 259 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: try to get these guys off their game. I mean 260 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: asking them, you know, some stuff you know obviously has 261 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: been reported to have been asking more recent years. I 262 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: think that certainly the NFL is trying to crack down 263 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: on about how extreme you can take some of these questions. 264 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: But I guess the main thing I've earned it has 265 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: probably been from Titan scouts just how you try to 266 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: get these guys, ask them something that's different. And when 267 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: you have so many teams that are getting crocks at you, 268 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: you've got to be pretty creative to do that. People 269 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: will take the Wonderlick test. Here the twelve minute fifty 270 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: question test. Dave McGinnis, explain what sort of intelligence that 271 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: you feel like the Wonderlick exposes and why it's important 272 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: and why it's important to do well well. Again, it's 273 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: a it's a piece of it, and again it's not 274 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: an end all to be all, because I mean it's 275 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: not an IQ test. It's not an IQ test, it's 276 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: really not. I mean, it's a reading comprehension, being able 277 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: to process quickly and move because you know, you're graded 278 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: on how many you're able to answer in the twelve minutes, 279 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: as you said, But it look coaching for thirty one 280 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: years in this league, I've had guys that have scored 281 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: Mike Mamula you're talking about, scored scored forty nine on 282 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: the wonder Lick out of fifty. It's pretty good, you know, 283 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: But I've all so I've also had great players that 284 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: I won't name in my thirty one year career that 285 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: were single digit wonder Lick guys were great football players, 286 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: and so I mean you have to It takes into 287 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: a lot of different backgrounds, you know, how you do. 288 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: Some people just aren't good at taking tests. You know, 289 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: if you're like what amy Well said, if you're going 290 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: to cry in the interview, you might you might not 291 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: do good on the test. I mean that is just 292 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: but it's just another piece and it's another part of it. 293 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: But you look at it, and you look at it. 294 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: I think you look at it a little more, you know, 295 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: subjectively than you do objectively, and make it it's a 296 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: it's not a finite thing. Mike. How many things that 297 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: are reported here? And I coach, I want you to 298 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: take it first, and then Jim second. How many things 299 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: that will be reported here about Wonderlick tests and how 300 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: guys doing interviews should the public take as true? Well, 301 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: first of all, they used to not ever report the 302 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: wonder licks, you know, and because I think it gives 303 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: a false narrative as far as as far as to 304 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: a person's intelligence, their football intelligence, their innate intelligence. You know, 305 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: that's not fair to begin with. And so you can't 306 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: if and again, anytime you put numbers to anything people 307 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: are going to draw their own conclusions to it, and 308 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: so the numbers on the Wonder League were never ever 309 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: supposed to be exposed in this damn age, you know. 310 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: I mean, look, when I first started coming to this thing, 311 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: this thing was closed down, tight, tight, tight. Now now 312 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: fans are in here, you know, So, I mean it's 313 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: just what it is, the information that's out there. But 314 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: you should not do don't draw any finite conclusions from 315 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: the Wonder League. Yeah, I mean that's certainly you hear 316 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: about the lows more than to do the highs. Yeah, 317 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: Bob Smith just made a five. Yeah, and then if 318 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: you're here, was it Ryans Pactors he made? Did he 319 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: make a fifty? He made forty eight? Baconale is the 320 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: only fifty Okay, not mistaken that you'd have to you 321 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: know that, I don't know that. I mean farmer Bengals 322 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: punter who went to Harvard. Yeah, but I didn't know, 323 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: I mean fifties reasonable, Yeah, yes, but it seems like 324 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: people want to obviously report the lows more than they 325 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: do the highs. And uh, sometimes it is kind of 326 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: a telltale sign on some players. Other times, as coach 327 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: Mike says, I mean you've got to uh, you've got 328 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: to weigh the football side of it as well. Some 329 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: of it. I think that has to do with the 330 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: position your play. I mean, uh, if you're a quarterback 331 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: and you score low and you've uh, then I think 332 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: that has to be considered a pretty big concern other positions. 333 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: You know, some of these wonder lit questions that I've 334 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: seen not going to help you, you know, make a 335 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: play at the goal line when the game's on the line. 336 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: So you got to take it for what it is worth. 337 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: All right, let me throw out a few things. One 338 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: one interesting point in terms of Mike Vrabel's press conference 339 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: that he gave out yesterday that probably told a lot 340 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: of people something about him that we have seen is 341 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: he is very interested to see how you treat people 342 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: with the team. He doesn't give a lot of hints 343 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: about what he thinks the most important drills are tests 344 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: are you know, in terms of football attributes, He's not 345 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: given anything. We are going to see how you treat 346 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: the team and people around the team. In knowing him, 347 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: what do you think that means? How do you explain 348 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: that to somebody who doesn't know Mike Rabel? Amy Wells 349 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: Mike Rabel is very concerned about making sure that the 350 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: people who are in the building, whether it be players, coaches, staff, 351 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: are courteous, kind people, if that makes sense. He wants 352 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: to make sure that his staff knows every person's name, 353 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: from Amy Adam Strunk to the person who cleans the 354 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: building on the weekend. He wants everyone to feel like 355 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: they are part of the team, like they're part of 356 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: the family. He wants everyone to feel like they are 357 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: involved and that they matter. And I think that one 358 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: of the ways that Mike Vrabel gauges a person's character 359 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: is how they treat the people around them who maybe 360 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: can't do anything for them. And I think that that 361 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: is it's a big Mike Vrabel thing. And I think 362 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: it's also a really good way to judge the guys 363 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: that you're about to bring into the family. Okay, let 364 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: me stop you there and take it to Dave McGinnis 365 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: from a slightly different point. I think you've described it well, 366 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,479 Speaker 1: But from why you would want that in a football player. 367 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: Why is that important? Well, it's about respect, because the 368 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: thing that that's extremely important. And look, you can be 369 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: the most violent football player in the world, but it 370 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you have to be disrespectful to everybody else, 371 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: and to Amy's point, is so good. You don't have 372 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: to be disrespectful for the people that clearly can't do 373 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: anything for you, but really do do a lot for you. 374 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 1: Look when you're vetting these players, even when you go 375 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: to their universities, when you go to you know, when 376 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: I used to go to these pro days at these universities, 377 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: I would I would, I would when we would go there, 378 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: I would try to go into the dining hall and 379 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: ask the ladies, you know, how's how's Mike Keith? You 380 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: know we're here, we're here to we're how how's Mike Keith? 381 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: You know how how's it got? The people that are 382 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: cleaning the built you know we're here to we're here 383 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: work somebody out. You know we're here to work somebody 384 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: out there because everybody's there. You know we're here to 385 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: work out Mike Keith, you know how how's he? And 386 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: then those when you do that, Look, it's a respect 387 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: factor because when you travel in this league, you represent 388 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: more than just yourself. You know. It's how you It's 389 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: how you treat people on the airplane, how you treat 390 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: I mean it's a respect factor. And look, I've I've 391 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: I've worked with some really really violent football players in 392 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: my thirty one year career that were really really gentleman. 393 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: One of the best ever coached in my life, and 394 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: everybody knows the name Mike Singletary. Could not be a 395 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: more violent football player ever, first ballot Hall of Famer, 396 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: one of the most respectful human beings you've ever been. 397 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: There's something too. Now, No, not everybody has to be 398 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: a boy scout, not every but you have to be 399 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: respectful of people. And we've all seen the kind of 400 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: the two sides of Mike Vrabel. I mean, the guy 401 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: who's on the football field that is will yell and 402 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: scream and use some colorful language sometimes when he's not happy. 403 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: He's an intense guy. I mean, I can only imagine 404 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: what he was like in the huddle as a player. 405 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: But we've also seen the side of him that's really 406 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: good to people. And we talked about people inside the building. 407 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: I know as an event on Monday with him at 408 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: elementary school where he was reading the kids and just 409 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: to watch him now only interact with the kids, but 410 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: the teachers, everybody was in the building. And that's why 411 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: he is at all these events that we've been to 412 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: with him. He doesn't want the phonies around the team. 413 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you can sell a guy during a fifteen 414 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: minute interview and come across as a great guy and 415 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: and uh. But but if he wants to dig deeper 416 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: on some of these guys, as coach Mike mentioned, you 417 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: have to do I me and you talk to people 418 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: around him. That's when you kind of get a bigger 419 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: picture of what a guy is all about. He don't 420 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: want to be tricked into picking a guy and then 421 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: finding out something completely different about him when he gets 422 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: in the building. And that's why you gotta do homework 423 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: on these guys. Each coach and general manager does a 424 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: session with the media here. Yesterday, Rabel and John Robinson 425 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: did theirs. John Robinson seemed to make some news speaking 426 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: about free agent safety Kenny Vacaro, referring to him as 427 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: a primary target. With Jonathan Cyprian returning from injury, there 428 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: was some wonder if the Titans would go back in 429 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: on Vacaro. Did what he say yesterday about his thoughts 430 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: on Caro, change your opinion on that or give you 431 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: any more clarity with that. I don't know that it did. 432 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I certainly that was the biggest one liner 433 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: that came out of it, and and the menute. I 434 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: saw Kenny Vaccaro retweeting some of the stuff that was said, 435 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: you knew that he got his attention as well, and then, 436 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't have to met. I'd noticed also 437 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: by an hour later, after all of this Vacaro news 438 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: spread that I saw Jonathan Cyprian tweet out a picture 439 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: of himself, you know, six months after an ACL showing 440 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: him working out on the field, and he looks great. 441 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting to see how that one 442 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: plays out. I talked to Jonathan Cyprian in Atlanta wins 443 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl. He's been around this league long 444 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: enough to know how it works, and I asked him, 445 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: you know, what he thought about how things would play out. 446 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: He raved about how Vaccaro played. He said, Hey, I 447 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: could be back and Kenny might not be back. We 448 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: could both be back together, or Kenny could be here 449 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm not here playing and I'm playing somewhere 450 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: else next year. So he knows how this thing could 451 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: play out. I think I'm curious myself. I always thought 452 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: this was it was going to be a tricky one 453 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: because Vaccaro played especially well and but also have seen 454 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: the contract that Reid got and realize that he's not 455 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: coming from a one year deal at bargain basement price 456 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: like he did last year. He's going to get a 457 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: good contract and now we're going to see how much 458 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: that plays a factor in whether he's back or not, 459 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: and that's going to result in some of these Domino's fallen. 460 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: You're talking about the contract Eric Reid got to Carolina, 461 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: and so let's Dave McGinnis take out the salary camp 462 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: implication of what Vacaro may or may not get and 463 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: what Ciprian is due. Take that out from a football standpoint, 464 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: Can you make the case keeping both of those players, Yeah, 465 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: you can, You absolutely can, because they both got different 466 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: skill sets. They both have different skill sets and a 467 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: multiple DMPs. What he does, we've already seen what he's 468 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: done with multiple defensive back sets as far as being 469 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: able to manipulate pressures, manipulate both we coverages, do some 470 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: things you know differently in games game to game to game. 471 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: We've seen how creative he can be. So absolutely, if 472 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: you take the money out of it, and that these 473 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: are both players that could fit into this system because 474 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: they both got to have different skill sets and they're 475 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: both productive players in their own rights. But the money 476 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: part is gonna be a factor because Ciprin's contract is 477 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,959 Speaker 1: will pay him pretty well this year, and again going 478 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: back to read contract, I'm sure if a Carl was 479 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: looking at that saying, you know, I had a pretty 480 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: good year myself, better year than Read and probably deserve 481 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: that money. And the question is how you're gonna pay 482 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: them both a combination of what You're gonna have to 483 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: get creative. Yes, I mean you're gonna have to get creative. 484 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: Let's talk about something else too that has been talked about. 485 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: There's been a narrative outside of the Titans camp that 486 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: either Dennis Kelly or Jack Conklin are going to guard, 487 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: that they are moving to guard. John Robinson said, quite frankly, 488 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: they're both primarily tackles, but he didn't rule out moving 489 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: one to guard. It sounds like, much like the safety situation, 490 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: he is very much looking to keep his options open 491 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: amy and that he and Mike Vrabel and the staff 492 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: are gonna let things play out in free agency and 493 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: the draft before making any decision about who goes where 494 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: to form the best five in front of Marcus Mariota. 495 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: I think that the Titans offensive line is sneakily becoming 496 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,239 Speaker 1: one of the most interesting things to watch throughout the 497 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: off season and into training camp. I think that it's 498 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: not a secret that there were some issues this year. 499 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: There were a lot of injuries that guys, who excuse me, 500 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: we're fighting through, and so I think it's going to 501 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: be interesting to see how things shake up do. I 502 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: think that in training camp we might see a little 503 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: switching of positions and guys moving in and guys moving out, 504 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: And I think that's going to be the time that 505 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna watch to see where Jack Conklin ends up 506 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: taking the most snaps, where Dennis Kelly ends up fitting 507 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: in to all of this. I think that free agency 508 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: is an outside the Roman possibility bringing someone else in. 509 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that the draft is outside the Roman 510 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: possibility bringing in someone that way. I think there are 511 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: a million different options right now, and it's going to 512 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: be so fun to see the kaleidoscope kind of shift 513 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: and change and come into view as we go through 514 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: this process. I'm really excited to see what happens with 515 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: the Titans offensive line. See. The thing to me about this, 516 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: and is back to Mike's point, is you have time 517 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: to make that decision. And I've been involved with moving people. 518 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: I mean I drafted Leonard Davis out of the University 519 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: of Texas, you know who, who was a giant left 520 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: tackle there, and immediately moved him to guard, you know, 521 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: and did that, did that early on, and he ended 522 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: up being a Pro Bowl guard. But he played both sides, 523 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: both sides of tackles. So first of all, it's if 524 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: the if the athlete can do it, it's if the 525 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: athlete wants to do it, and if you think that's 526 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: the most optimum thing after you have already exhausted all 527 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: of your other possibilities. We are just right now at 528 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: the beginning of possibilities and a lot of positions for 529 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: either salary cap wise or either position move wise or 530 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: free agency wise, and then clearly the draft that we're 531 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: getting ready to have in Nashville. So this is the time. 532 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: You don't have to make a decision right now, but 533 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: you know, decisions are going to start to be talked about, 534 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: and I think that's one of them. And part of 535 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: that reason is because you just don't know how things 536 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: are gonna play out. You might have your eye on 537 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: a guy in free agency, you might have your eye 538 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: on a guy in the draft. Well what happens if 539 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: somebody else is willing to give the guy more money 540 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: and mess out on this guy already in free agency, 541 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: or you're not able to get to this guy in 542 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: the draft, and then you maybe reconsider some things, you know, 543 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: I think of the interior, I still think Jack Coughlin 544 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: is a tackle and I think that's where he's gonna play. 545 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: Dennis Kelly is a very valuable swing guy right now. 546 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: You look at the bunch, Yeah, it makes sense to 547 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: get him in your starting five, But there's gonna be company. 548 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: There's gonna be somebody in there competing against some of 549 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: these other guys in the interior, and Quentin Spain's contract 550 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: is up. I personally think Ben Jones was the best 551 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: of the three of the interior guys last year, and 552 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: I as things are right now, I see him being 553 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: a part of the equation. But other than that, I 554 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: think all bets are off, and a lot of hint 555 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: is on what transpires here in a couple of weeks. 556 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: In a thirty part of free agency. I think coach 557 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: Mack made a good point too about want to and 558 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: how that's a part of the puzzle as well. I mean, 559 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: there's a chance that a guy just doesn't want to 560 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: be a guard. I'm a tackle. I've always been a tackle. 561 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: I will remain a tackle. And that's that's a legitimate 562 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: piece of that puzzle. Does factor in, and I think 563 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: that that's something if a guy doesn't want to move positions, 564 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: I mean you can't force him, well you can, but 565 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: probably not gonna go. Well, great, there's a big guys. 566 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: You don't want to mess with the big guys. Like 567 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,959 Speaker 1: all right, here's a rumor last night Titans are certainly 568 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: going to be in the market. I would think in 569 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: free agency and in the draft for edge rushers. Justin 570 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: Hughton may be on the market. Justin Houston just turned 571 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: thirty years old. Kansas City Chiefs has a twenty two 572 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: sacks season in his rear view mirror. Battled some injuries 573 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: last year, nine sacks in twenty seventeen, nine and a 574 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: half sacks, seventy eight and a half sacks for his career. 575 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: He's due fifteen point two five million dollars reportedly, so 576 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: he's due a big contract, if a team, if any team, 577 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: we're going to get interested in justin Houston, and the 578 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: Chiefs are looking to move him because they're gonna have 579 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: to pay d Ford and he's their younger pass rusher. 580 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: So it's not that this guy can't play, it's they've 581 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: got to make a decision. What kind of market do 582 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: you think there's going to be for this type of player? 583 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: And as somebody who's been in those rooms, knowing that 584 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: he's thirty, knowing that he has a big number, what 585 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: sort of offer would any team make for this play? Well, 586 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: let's put something else at the back end of that. 587 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: That's extremely important. Let's look at his medical street because 588 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: he's missed you know, he's missed some ball games and 589 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: that's extremely important. You know, I've vented him coming out. 590 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: I mean you could, you could, you could sense, you know, 591 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: he was at Georgia he coming out. This guy can 592 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: bring it, can bring it off the edge, and that's 593 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: borne out to be true. Okay, But the reason that 594 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: he is on the market, and you you've listed the 595 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: first two and then the injuries also factor into that, 596 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: and so the first thing you would have to do 597 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: is go in and do a complete your medical evaluation 598 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: on this guy, because if he's carrying if he's carrying 599 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: a fifteen million dollar hit, all right right now, and 600 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: you have to look at your roster to see how 601 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: that money fits in. Because free agency, when you start 602 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: talking about free agent, it's different when you're talking about 603 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: a draft pick because those salaries are slotted. You start 604 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: talking about a free agent that's been in the league 605 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: for a long time, then you're talking about some money 606 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: and the numbers that you brought up. Everybody wants to 607 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: get everybody wants to get pressure, so it's going to 608 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,239 Speaker 1: be extremely important until I know the medical I don't know. 609 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: This team needs an edge rusher, there's no question about 610 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: that's no matter who is going to be because Briana 611 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: Raffo's not coming back, he's retiring. Derek Morgan, I'll be 612 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: shocked if he's back. His contracts up. So you're left 613 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: with Harold Landry, who I expect to make a good 614 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: leap next season, Kemla Correa, who know who certainly has potential, 615 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: but uh was at a point where he was inactive 616 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: at least one game, maybe two games last year. Because 617 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 1: obviously you need to step it up, and they valued 618 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: some other guys more and then Shrie Finch who shows 619 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: a promise but still a little bit unproven himself. So 620 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: there will be some editions of that position. It's just 621 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: a matter of who they're going to be. The edge 622 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: rusher will be addressed this offseason. That is that is true. 623 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: You know that, all you know, all you have to 624 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: do is look at your roster and you can see 625 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: you can see how it slots in. The edge rushing 626 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: position will be addressed in this offseason. If you're the 627 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans with guys like shri Finch, Harold and younger guys, 628 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: inexperienced guys, would you rather bring in someone in free 629 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: agency even though they're a little bit older there the 630 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: shelf life is a little bit different, or would you 631 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: rather bring in more young talent to the longevity If 632 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: I knew the veteran I was bringing in, and I'm 633 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: not talking about just his playing ability, if I knew 634 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: that person, because it's extremely important when you bring you 635 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: bring free agents in that they're also able to fit. 636 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: As we started this podcast off earlier talking about the 637 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: culture of the building, culture of the locker room, the 638 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: culture of what you know, Mike Verabel and John Robinson 639 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: wants this team to represent on the field and off 640 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: the field. If you find somebody that can do that 641 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: that fits into your cap, that's a plus because look, 642 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: especially at that position, that position, okay, is somebody has 643 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: developed as a rusher in this league. That's an innate 644 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: skill and that does not change from scheme to scheme 645 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: to scheme. You have somebody that can beat NFL lyman 646 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: one on one. That's a skill that is valuable. You 647 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: have somebody that's already proven that you like that. A 648 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: young guy, a young guy you're gonna have to teach. 649 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: I've already vetted most of these edge rushers in this league. 650 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: I've I've watched a lot of tape in this draft, 651 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: in this draft, and and look, they've got things to learn. 652 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: They've got things to learn about counter moves, They've got 653 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: things to learn about speed to power moves. They've got 654 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: things to learn about They're going to be playing against 655 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: offensive tackles that can move their feet and get their 656 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: hands on their chest and jet And then there's difference. 657 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: There's a difference in rushing people in this league, then 658 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: there is in the NCAA no matter how good you are. 659 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: And Harold Lander is a perfect example of that. I mean, 660 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: because he's gonna be good. I mean, there's no question 661 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: about that. But I think you could see as he 662 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: worked against Taylor one, as he worked against some of 663 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: these offensive tackles in the league. He needs to develop 664 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: further as a player and as coach Mike you Know said, 665 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think having a veteran who has been 666 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: through some of that before, has kind of past those tests, 667 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: has learned along the way that gives you more of 668 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: an immediate impact than maybe a young guy in this draft. 669 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: Let me ask you true or false, and I'll go 670 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: around the table. So you've got Antonio Brown who's on 671 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: the block. You've got Levian Bell who's going to be 672 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: a free agent. You've got Nick Foles who's going to 673 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: be a free agent. There's talk about Justin Houston is 674 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: on the trading block. Now, I mean a lot of 675 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: names like this. As we go through this process, knowing 676 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: the dollar figures that are attached to these sorts of players, 677 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like those are the kind of guys 678 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: that John Robinson is going to go after. As he 679 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: tries to cobble things together in free agency in what 680 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: he acquired because he's liable to trade. We all know 681 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: that he's trader John. But true or false, those sorts 682 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: of names are less likely for the Titans because of 683 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: John Robinson's history. I say, I would say that's true. 684 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: And again, he's is a little bit unpredictable. We saw 685 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: that Riley Gay when he traced for DeMarco Murray, you know, 686 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: his first still on the job, first kind of go around. 687 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: Uh uh, So I'd say that's that's true. And hearing 688 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: Mike Ravel answer the Antonio Brown question as far as 689 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: what you're looking for on Adam players kind of gives 690 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: you even more feeling that they're not looking for a 691 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: guy who has had a little bit of a issue 692 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: in his path. No, I think that's extremely true and 693 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: and and that's it. That's important as to where you 694 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: are as an organization. If you're if you're a first 695 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: year head coach and the first year general manager that's 696 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: coming to a team that is a complete dumpster fire, 697 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: well then you might take those chances early on and say, 698 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: you know, we'll try to get this fixed quick and 699 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 1: then start trying to build through the draft. But when 700 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: you've already established some of the things that you have established. 701 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: Then then you're a little then you're a little bit 702 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: more selective about what you do. And then clearly again 703 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: we keep going back to this. It's part of this league. 704 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: It's what it is. I've managed salary caps before. I 705 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: know what a trick it is to he's that puzzle together? 706 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: It's money. Well, I think that's what this says. I mean, 707 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 1: who wouldn't like to have these names? They can all play. 708 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: It's not about that. It's about the names that you 709 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: already have, the numbers that you have, and how you 710 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: put the whole puzzle together on and off the field, 711 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: in terms of the financial, the physical, and the personalities. Absolutely, 712 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: I think that both John Robinson and Mike Vrabel are 713 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: looking at it a little bit more zoomed out, a 714 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: little bit bigger picture than just that's a good player, 715 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: that's a big name. We would love to have that star. 716 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,919 Speaker 1: It's how would they fit in the locker room? How 717 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: is that going to impact the foundation that they've already built. 718 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,399 Speaker 1: I mean, both of them have worked really hard to 719 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: establish a culture at Saint Thomas Sports Park, and I 720 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: think it's firm. I think it's solid and they don't 721 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: want to start putting cracks in it in year two. Okay, 722 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna end with this. Kyler Murray, quarterback, Oklahoma Heisman 723 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: Trophy winner, has measured five ten and one eighth. So 724 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: he's taller than expected. Get it. He is half an 725 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: inch shorter than Russell Wilson. Okay, So yes or no? 726 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: The fact that he has measured over five ten, Amy Wells, 727 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: he's now a top ten pick. Yes or no? I'm 728 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: gonna say yes. Okay. The measurement is his hand was 729 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: nine and a half. Yes, I'm gonna go yes too. 730 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: I think so too. I wonder if Kyler Murray's not 731 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: headed to Jacksonville at number seven cool. I'd let them 732 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: have a rookie quarterback, would I would prefer him go 733 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: there than Nick Foles? I think that, which is uh 734 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: the VIC free agency talk coach Mack. I don't care 735 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: who they put back there. Dean P's gonna bring the heat. 736 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,959 Speaker 1: I love you man, I love you man. Dave again 737 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: us Jim White from Titans online dot com Amy Wells, 738 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: good stuff, great stuff. Love the combine. I love the combine. 739 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: Best time of the year. Love the OTP Fab four 740 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: then we're not allowed to say I think we can 741 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: say I don't think we could say that, but I 742 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: just said it. I don't know how many of us 743 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: are that fast. Maybe we can come up with something, 744 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: Maybe one of us. I was looking at the Fantastic 745 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: four that's definitely taken. We could be the four that's 746 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: four friends. Let's have mac and three instead of back 747 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: and three. You know what, Hey, the first night we 748 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: were here, you know, Amy Wells says, you know we're 749 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: gonna eat dinner at the Ram if you're when you're 750 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: through doing stuff. And I said, I said, okay, I'll 751 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: be there. She said, best mac and cheese in an 752 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 1: It might be the best mac and cheese in the Midwest. 753 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 1: And she's not wrong. It was really good, good stuff. 754 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the OTP.