1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Tonight was supposed to be a really big night for 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Apple TV. This was supposed to be the big debut 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: of a series five years in the making, The Savant, 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: starring Jessica Chastain. But Apple TV made the last minute 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: decision this week to postpone the debut of The Savant. 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: But it wouldn't publicly elaborate on the why. We're going 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: to read their official statement shortly, but the series star 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: Jessica Chastain is talking and she says this she is 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: not aligned with Apple in its decision and will tell 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: you why. It is Friday, September twenty sixth. Welcome to 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: this edition of Amy and TJTJ. This was supposed to 12 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: be a night. Can you imagine working on a project. 13 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: She's not only starring in it, but she's the executive 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: producer of it. She's proud of it. She's actually done 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: a publicity tour over the last couple of weeks promoting 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: The Savant, and then to be told by Apple TV, sorry, 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: indefinitely postponed. 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: For what you would want to ask and then you 19 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: don't get a good answer. Lell me some Jesic Chestine, 20 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: love me some Jessica Chesta. She is as solid and 21 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: awesome as they get. And you think about rogues, all 22 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: these a lot of these acts. Look, we see the 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: finished product, but these things are years and years in development. 24 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: You said five, But to think you're up to this 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 2: final moment and it gets pulled. The reasons are they official? 26 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: Well, I will read Apple's statement. How about that? Here 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: is Apple's official statement. This is all they gave us. 28 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: After careful consideration, we have made the decision to postpone 29 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: The Savant. We appreciate your understanding and look forward to 30 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: releasing the series at a future date. End quote that. 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: Is being interpreted by many as we scared the death 32 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: of Donald Trump and we don't even want to try it. 33 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: Correct. 34 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: So it does take some explanation, but it is a 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: matter of another corporate giant seemingly making a business decision 36 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: because they just don't want to test the waters in 37 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: this certain kind of question. 38 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: Correct. So, if you want to know, here's the storyline, 39 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: and this will fill in the this will connect the 40 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: dots or fill in the gaps for you from what 41 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: Apple didn't say. Here's the storyline of The Savant. It 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: follows an undercover investigator known as the Savant and that 43 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: is Jessica Chestain's character. She her character infiltrates online hate 44 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: groups to stop domestic extremists before they act. So it's 45 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: about preventing extremist attacks and what the concern is. Folks 46 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: who know and are familiar with the series say some 47 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: of the imagery could be considered triggering in the wake 48 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: of the assassination of Charlie Kirk because the series includes 49 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: a sniper and the bombing of a government building, among 50 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: other acts of violence. So everyone is saying that apple. 51 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: So here's you could look at it a couple different ways. 52 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: This is another example of a company making a decision 53 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: about content in light of the Charlie Kirk assassen and 54 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: that could be viewed as respectful, as a deliberate attempt 55 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: to let some of the heated emotions surrounding Kirk's death soften. 56 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: And that's for releasing the series. Yes, that's what ABC 57 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: said they did. That was part of their reasoning for 58 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: taking Kimmel off the air. They say it was because 59 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: they didn't want to further inflame an already tense political situation. 60 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: You said that's one way to look at Do you 61 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: buy that? I mean, that's actually quite reasonable. 62 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: I do think that that is part of the consideration. 63 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: The other way to view it is that this is 64 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: a company fearful of stepping into it, of stepping into 65 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: the political firestorm and then getting backlash, whether it be 66 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: from the Trump administration, from people who feel like that 67 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: might be Again, here you have a certain part of 68 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,839 Speaker 1: the liberal e lead or the media or Hollywood now 69 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: fanning the flames of this and inspiring other would be antagonists, 70 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: and so that's the fear. 71 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: So the suggestion would be that if they are highlighting 72 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: hate groups on this show in all likely or do 73 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: we even know they're not probably going to be left 74 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: leaning hate group domestic terrorists, is. 75 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: That we don't know what the creative I don't know. 76 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: Here's what I do know. The Savant is based on 77 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: a Cosmo article. So this happened in Cosmopolitan magazine in 78 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and the article's title was is it possible 79 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: to stop a mass shooting before it happens? That article 80 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: sparked this series and the idea behind it about the 81 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: investigators who are working behind the scenes to stop these 82 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: sorts of acts that unfortunately we've been seeing more and 83 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: more of it. 84 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: I was curious about the show because the lady who 85 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: was a part of that article was considered a savant, 86 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: if you will, and that she could identify right, she 87 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: could see certain language and language that was used hate language, 88 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 2: which is a lot out there, but she could tell 89 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: which ones would be taken and used and turned into violence. 90 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: And she had a knack for doing this. So that's 91 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: what the show was supposed to be about. I think, 92 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: given where we are, should we just are we not 93 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 2: supposed to see? It's whose fault is it that this 94 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: is timely? It should never be timely? But it is 95 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: right now right? 96 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: And by the way, here's another interesting tidbit. This isn't 97 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: the first time Apple has postponed the series. Did you 98 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: know that? 99 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: It was, Sally? Yeah, the date was even that. Does 100 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: that make sense? They were supposed to have it on 101 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: September twelfth, twelfth? 102 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: Yes, makes so. The show was supposed to debut on 103 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: September twelfth, but Apple decided to push back the release 104 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: date so that it wouldn't be so close to September eleventh. 105 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: Is that legit as well? 106 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: Does that look at a certain point? You know, I 107 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: just look, I'm not an executive who knows how or 108 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: why to make these types of decision. But just as 109 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: a viewer, I would actually think, maybe call me crazy, 110 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: I would actually think it would be timely too, have 111 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: it be around a date. Not that you would do 112 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: it deliberately, but if that's just where it worked out, 113 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: you would kind of say. I would say, hey, this 114 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: is on people's minds. This has been going on for 115 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: twenty plus years and more. But this is a timely Unfortunately, 116 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: as you pointed out, unfortunately timely series that actually could 117 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: be interesting, informative and compelling for audiences to watch because 118 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: we're living in it, We're in the thick of it. 119 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: We've been dealing with this, so let's talk about what 120 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: people are doing behind the scenes, of course in a 121 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: fictionalized setting, but with some real life elements to it. 122 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: I think it'd be fascinating and timely. 123 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: But have we gotten too hot that we can't do anything, 124 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: Like you can't tell a story because you know what's 125 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: going to come and the criticism that's going to come, 126 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: and now it is. Look, nobody was paying attention to 127 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel on that Monday night until somebody pointed it 128 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: out to the SEC chair who decides to open his mouth, 129 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: like you're nervous as a as a corporate executive. Look 130 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: at what the hell is happening to Disney and Stockburn. 131 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: How much money has been lost all over late night 132 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: comedy and jokes and content and entertainment, which is what 133 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: this was going to be. Is this just where we 134 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: are okay with the sensitive part you talk about September eleventh, 135 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: September twelve. 136 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: You know, I just say, hey, just push it back 137 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: a week. 138 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm okay just to be maybe sensitive to some 139 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: family members. I'm okay with that. This other thing now 140 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: is just because I haven't. I don't. Even when some 141 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: people are explaining it to me, it still doesn't make 142 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: you know what I need to see it. And then 143 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: I'll go, wait ooh is his heavy? 144 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: Or I might go wait, well, it shows star and 145 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: executive producer has now publicly disagreed with Apple's decision. And look, 146 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: it is a slippery slope, and it's a frightening one 147 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: to think that now we're so concerned or afraid of 148 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: upsetting someone or pissing someone off. And I'm not just 149 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: talking about President Trump and the administration, but just anyone 150 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: at this point that we're afraid to put out valuable, 151 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: potentially valuable interesting entertainment or products because we don't want 152 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: to upset a certain segment of the population. And I 153 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: think that is a very frightening precedent to set that. Now, 154 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: that's where we are where now creatively we can't do 155 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: or say things because it might get us canceled. 156 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: This is the one what would we normally do. I mean, 157 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: it happened with Jimmy Kimmel as well. But if somebody 158 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: doesn't like what's going on on a network or streaming service, 159 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: you could just not watch it. That's not enough anymore. 160 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: It's not enough that you don't watch it, you actually 161 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: don't want anybody else to watch it either. And now 162 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: there are campaigns and social media campaigns where they're trying 163 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: to get people fired, things taken down, people getting docked. 164 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 2: It's different from just voting with your remote and not watching. 165 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: You have to worry about a mob coming after you 166 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: on social media and trying to take down your company. 167 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: People have the right to do that, but it just 168 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: seems like our first reaction to everything is outraged. That's 169 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: the only emotion we have. 170 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: And then when that outrage is empowered the way it 171 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: has been and it has actual real life impact, then 172 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: you're just Now It's just like when you're a parent 173 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: and your child misbehaves. If you cater to that, they're 174 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: just going to learn that if I shout louder and 175 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: I stomp my feet more, I'll get what I want. 176 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: That is what we are doing creatively, or at least 177 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: a lot of organizations and companies are making a choice 178 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: to do that so that they might maybe stop the 179 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: bleeding initially. But what's the cost, what's dying in the 180 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: process of it all. That's the thing that scares me 181 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: about where we all see things headed and the direction 182 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: companies are going in. They're making financial decisions and they're 183 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: they're protecting themselves instead of defending their product. 184 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: Good going on, Jessica Chastain, Like I said, I absolutely 185 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: love what was the one she It was the Oscar, 186 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: It was the Oscars we were at. She played a tem. 187 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: Oh yes she was. I think she did win. 188 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: Yes, just that was. I just adore this woman in 189 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: her acting and everything about her. But I gave her 190 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 2: credit Robes. I thought the statement she put out nailed it. 191 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 2: It wasn't nasty. She made a very respectful and reasonable 192 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: argument and she didn't dog Apple obviously, but to hear 193 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: her like, oh, that makes sense, Apple just doesn't make 194 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: sense to me yet because they haven't. 195 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: Said enough, and by their lack of words and by 196 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: not saying very much, if anything at all, that's where 197 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: to me the problem lies, because it's so ambiguous, it's 198 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: so vague. Again, there's a protection in this statement they 199 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: made to protect themselves, and that makes them not look transparent, 200 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't. It makes people then try to read between 201 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: the lines and fill in the void, and that's where 202 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: the problems start and a lot of finger pointing begins. 203 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: So when we come back, we are going to read 204 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: for you Jessica Chastain's Instagram post that man, she nailed. 205 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: All right, folks. Continuing now with Jessica Chastain. She accually 206 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: used to I remember, this is why I tell you 207 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: I love this one. But she says she loves the 208 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 2: way the French say her name. She's always there. She's 209 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 2: talked about this before. But again, Jessica Chastain had a 210 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 2: new project we're all looking forward to The Savant that 211 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: was going to be on Apple TV plus today. 212 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: Till the day night they were going to drop two 213 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: episodes tonight. That was the scheduled released after an earlier postponement. 214 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: You will not be seeing that tonight, and we don't 215 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 2: know when you might see it because Apple has made 216 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: a decision to hold indefinitely that series because of some 217 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: of the content could be triggering, giving some of the well, 218 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: we saw a political assassination, we saw the ice facility 219 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: being targeted. But the show is about a woman who 220 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: has a knack for infiltrating hate groups and to in 221 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: stopping domestic terrorism, if you will. And again, we don't 222 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: know what it might have looked like, how similar any 223 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: of those scenes might have been to some of the 224 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: stuff we have been seeing in real life. But Apple 225 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: has made a decision not to put that out just yet. 226 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 2: Jessica Chastain not. 227 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: A fan, yes, and she made a decision to put 228 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: a very as you put it before the break, a 229 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: very tasteful, a very appropriate reaction to that. Here is 230 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: what Jessica Chastain wrote. I want to say how much 231 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: I value my partnership with Apple. 232 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 2: Well done to all of you. Let that be a 233 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: lesson you always leave with that. 234 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: They've been incredible collaborators and I deeply respect their team 235 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: bang that said, transition, Yep, I wanted to reach out 236 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: and let you know that we're not aligned on the 237 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: decision to pause the release of The Savant. In the 238 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: last five years since we've been making the show, we've 239 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: seen an unfortunate amount of violence in the United States. 240 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: The kidnapping attempt on Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, the January 241 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: sixth attack on the Capitol, the assassination attempts on President Trump, 242 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: the political assassinations of Democratic representatives in Minnesota, the attack 243 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: on Speaker Pelosi's husband, the assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk, 244 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: the recent shooting at an ABC affiliate in California, and 245 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: over three hundred school shootings across this country. This was 246 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: before the Ice incident. How are markol Is that these incidents, 247 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: though far from encompassing the full range of violence witnessed 248 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: in the United States, illustrate a broader mindset that crosses 249 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: the political spectrum and must be confronted. I've never shied 250 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: away from difficult subjects, and while I wish this show 251 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: wasn't so relevant, unfortunately it is. The Savant is about 252 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: the heroes who work every day to stop violence. Before 253 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: it happens, and honoring their courage feels more urgent than ever. 254 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: That is such a good point. I got chills reading that. 255 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 2: I don't know who wrote that is so well done. 256 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: Even using the word we are not aligned versus I disagree, 257 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 2: that was perfect. 258 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: Perfect. She goes on to finish up with this. While 259 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: I respect Apple's decision to pause the release for now, 260 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: I remain hopeful the show will reach audiences soon. Until then, 261 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: I am wishing safety and strength for everyone. And I'll 262 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: let you know if and when this evant is released. 263 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: January six, That was twenty twenty What year is that? 264 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: Twenty twenty? God, what's this twenty twenty five? It was 265 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one? Is it January twenty twenty one? Okay, 266 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 2: I'm thinking about all the incidents she named happened before 267 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: this show was put together, Like all this stuff was done. 268 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: It's not like they was being put together. 269 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 2: But to think that all of these things happened, they 270 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: weren't reacting right. If all these things had happened, they say, hey, 271 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: let's do a show about Blank. This stuff was happening 272 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: in real time as they're trying to put this show together. 273 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: And she lists even a good job. Violence on the left, 274 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: violence on all these high profile I. 275 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: Forgot about Pelosi's husband. So all of this, I know 276 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: that this is the recent I don't want to use 277 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: the wrong word, but this is all the recent headlines 278 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: coming from the Trump administration that this is all extreme 279 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: leftists reaction, and they get very upset if anyone even 280 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: possibly says that violence comes from both sides, extremism on 281 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: both sides of the aisle. 282 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: She didn't mention left and right. She just said this incident, 283 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: this incident, this incident, and we know and we're familiar 284 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 2: with all of these incidents now, but just that was 285 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: well done. What's going to happen? Are we going to 286 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: get any more from Apple? Maybe they want this thing 287 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: to go away quietly. This is a little different from 288 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: the Jimmy Kimmel thing because nobody's seen the show, right, Like, 289 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: we don't know. To be mad and say, oh they 290 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: took away my favorite show, we don't know. 291 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: But here's the truth. I didn't know about the Savonne. 292 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: I hadn't seen any of her promote because I said 293 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: she had been promoting it. She went on to the 294 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore Show. She went on late Night with Seth 295 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: Myers when she was making appearances trying to drum up 296 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: interest and publicity for this series. Well, guess what now 297 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: it is on our radar. It should be on your radar. 298 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: But I was saddened to hear her write this if 299 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: and when the Savant is released. That has to be 300 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: crushing to her to think that that is a possibility 301 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: if well. 302 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: Oh, see it eventually maybe, but something like to see 303 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: this go away would be a shame just for the 304 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: sake of creators. Can we not do anything because of 305 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: what the world is? I mean, any movie you watch, 306 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: any show you watch, has some imagery that you know, 307 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: brings to mind something that's happening in real life in 308 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: current times. I don't we get into this habit if 309 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: we can't show or current share anything because you might 310 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: be offended by the imagery. I mean, this is life 311 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 2: and art. 312 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: It feels like self imposed censorship, but done out of 313 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: fear versus respect. And look, they can argue, and I'm 314 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: not going to tell them that they're wrong, that they're 315 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: doing it out of respect and not out of fear. Yes, 316 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: but it's hard to believe that that fear part isn't 317 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: a part of it. 318 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: We should give them credit for that and maybe look, 319 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: they've seen the show, they know more than we do, 320 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 2: and maybe this was the right call. The problem and 321 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: the difference here between this one and Jimmy Kimmel. What 322 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 2: do you do about it? I mean, you can protest, 323 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: you can go outside, you cannot watch Sinclair can pull 324 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: it off the air. What do you do to Apple? 325 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? What are you gonna protest? 326 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: I thought Jessica Chastain did the best thing she possibly 327 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: could have done. Let people know what's going on, be 328 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: respectful to Apple's decision, while still letting people know her 329 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: feelings about how important and vital and timely and actually needed. 330 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: Perhaps this series is. 331 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 2: Good conversation still in bringing this to our attention, But 332 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 2: this you're not What are you gonna do? You're not 333 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: going to boycott Apple? Really go go right now? Boycott Apple. 334 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 2: Put away your phone, your iPod and your laptop. Yes, 335 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 2: we just we can't. 336 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: It's a massive company with a lot at steak and 337 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: they make the decisions based best for their uh I 338 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: guess financial bottom line at the end of the day. 339 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: But it's not us who can hurt them. It's tear 340 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 2: of happy Trump. What if he decides to start imposing 341 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 2: some kind of terrorists. 342 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: On computer chips, computer chips. 343 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 2: On phones, on something, They need to give them hell, 344 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 2: they have to think about this now. The President might 345 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: get mad at us and make it more difficult for 346 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 2: us to do our jobs. Therefore, we're going to sh 347 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,719 Speaker 2: be quiet, and that's where we are. 348 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: That is where we are. But we hope we get 349 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: to watch The Savant soon. And believe me, if the 350 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: show comes on the air, we will watch. We might 351 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: we'll do a podcast on every episode. It's so fascinating. 352 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: We love Jessica Chastain that much, love how she handled 353 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: this situation, and hope you appreciated hearing about it. And 354 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: we will keep our ear to ground on this one. 355 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: But thank you for listening to us. Everyone. I'm Amy 356 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: roboch On, behalf of TJ. Holmes. We will talk to 357 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: you real soon.