1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Who's to say that the live thing wasn't. Yes, s 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: a out chessing, like playing chess and out chessing the 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: PGA tour, inventing a product that he knows is going 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: to fail, but it's good enough to create disruption and 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: to buy the seat at the table, Daughts in my head. 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: Can't get him, jh not the thing what I'm thinking 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: about in my head. Can't get him, joh, not the 8 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: thing I'm thinking about. 9 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 3: Hello, this is Alan Schipnook back for another Fire Drill podcast, 10 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 3: delayed to be joined by Jeff Ogilvie, who is at 11 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 3: the Canadian Open up in Toronto, the center of the 12 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 3: storm of Jeff, what have these last couple of days 13 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 3: been like? Is the ground is shifted beneath the feet 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: of all the players and everyone on to word? H. 15 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been interesting. It's really only even one thing 16 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: people have been talking about. Obviously, we all wake up 17 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: yesterday reading about it, you know we didn't. Well now 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: we got a name out from the tour telling us 19 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: about what the deal is. Yeah, and we had the 20 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: playmating last not, which was an interesting experience. Those playmintings 21 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: are always fun when I introduce something that perhaps not 22 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: every pler on tour agrees with. And yeah, sold, anyone's 23 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: been talking about today on the range too. It's a 24 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: big story, I guess. 25 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 3: Oh, monumental. Well take us inside the room because the 26 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 3: player meeting is sort of this mythical thing that you know, 27 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: there's always reports that leak out, but obviously there's no press, 28 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: there's no outsiders. But just so we can picture where 29 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 3: was this hell, how is the room configured? Who's up 30 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: in front besides Jay, like just set the scene for it. 31 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: Well, it's sin where we have our player dining area 32 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: this week, which is a which varies from tournament to tournament, 33 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: but this this week it happens to be a really 34 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: big room they didn't have. Sometimes they have us lined 35 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: up in they line up chairs and stuff, but this 36 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: time there's enough tables and enough for everyone was just 37 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: sitting at tables and there's high tops and six tops 38 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: and lots of different tables around. And Jay was in there. 39 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: A few of the player advisory not player advisory, player liaison. 40 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: There's like that the department that sort of is our 41 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: conduit between the players and Jay. There's a few of 42 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: those guys in there. Any Padzer was there who's sort 43 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: of right up there, pretty high powerful man in the 44 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: PJA tour, and j just stood up at the mic 45 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: and pretty much just walked in and started going through it. 46 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: Everyone was pretty keen to hear what he had to say. 47 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: And it was interesting, I mean, it was getting it 48 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: got quite it got a little bit tense, I guess 49 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: because Jay couldn't really I don't know any more than 50 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: anybody else knows. Really, we didn't. I don't think learn 51 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: anything in the room that you that everybody doesn't know, 52 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: mostly because I think this story I feel like it 53 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: was going to I think they got win that it 54 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: might have been getting leaked before they wanted it to 55 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: get leaked. So they got in front of it, and 56 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: they came and told the players, which was the right 57 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: thing to do, sort of what they could tell us, 58 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: And he couldn't really tell us that much. No real deal. 59 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: Details just kept going on. That there's a sort of 60 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: a is it a non binding agreement? Is that the 61 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: term which is basically sort of an agreement in good 62 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: faith to sort of negotiate to this endpoint that they 63 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: both kind of want to get to. But this is 64 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: clearly a really really complicated thing and we're right in 65 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: the middle of the negotiation, so I don't think a 66 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: whole lot of information or details could come to us 67 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: because it might sort of mess that up, you know. 68 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: But he just sort of gave us the framework and 69 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: sort of how this will work if this all turns out. 70 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: So after that he did a kind of a video 71 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 3: press conference with select media folks. I was surprisingly I 72 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 3: was invited, but they didn't call upon me, which is 73 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 3: typical of the tour there. But anyway, they and I've 74 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: never seen a man look so defeated as jaym onahan. 75 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 3: He was slumped in his chair, his voice was hoarse, 76 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: and you know, he'd just gotten beaten up in the 77 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 3: player meeting he had and it's been been a rough 78 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: day on the guy. And I actually felt a little 79 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: tinge of sympathy for him. What kind of energy did 80 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: he project in front of the players. 81 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: He projected the energy that a leader should. He was 82 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: very he didn't get rattled. I mean, he got a 83 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: lot of stuff thrown at him the players. I think 84 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: that the starting point that a lot of players walked 85 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: into the room was well, these live players are just 86 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: going to come back now. How fair is that? You know? 87 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: And you said that they weren't going to come back. 88 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: But so I think a lot of players started off 89 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: wanting to disagree with whatever he said before they even 90 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: heard anything you said, and they think, no offense to 91 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: my peers. But I think a lot of guys couldn't 92 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: get past that. So I didn't really hear what was 93 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: going on a little bit. But he got hit pretty 94 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: hard and he was pretty defeated at the end. It 95 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: must be hard to have in his mind, and actually 96 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: in my mind too, if this works out like it 97 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: looks like it might, this is probably a good deal. 98 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: And he's he wasn't in the position to be able 99 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: to sort of tell us any details because there aren't 100 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: really any details yet, and he's I guess the feeling 101 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: would be he's been working really really hard to help us, 102 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: and all we do is tell him, no, you're wrong. 103 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: This isn't very very good. So it's a tough day 104 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: to be a leader. But that's the role. I mean, 105 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: it's heavy as the head that wears the crown, right, 106 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a tough role to be And I 107 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: really was very glad that I wasn't ja yesterday. Regardless 108 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: of where you sit on how this what this deal 109 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: is all about. It was it would have been a 110 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: tough day to be Jay, and he did a really 111 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: good job in there, but yeah, he would have been 112 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: pretty drained. I think after the whole thing, he took 113 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: it really well. He didn't get fired up. He just 114 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: he took all the complaints. He sort of he owned up. 115 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: He owned up to the Look, this is different from 116 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: the rhetoric a year ago. We didn't expect this to happen, 117 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: but this is just kind of where we're at and 118 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: please sort of I guess he was basically asking, have 119 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: a bit of faith. This thing will look better than 120 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: you think it'll look at the end when it's all 121 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: said and done. 122 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 3: I mean, on a very simple level, the commissioner's job 123 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 3: is to get the player's paid, and man has done 124 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: that in spectacular fashion. I mean, the guys on tour 125 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 3: a plane for eight nine million dollars. Now they're playing 126 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 3: for twenty and it's probably just going to go up 127 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: from here. Once they turned the spigot on with the 128 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: piff and you know, he the tour had written some 129 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: checks they couldn't cash. Like this, this arms race was unsustainable. 130 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 3: They put all their they put all their resources into 131 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 3: these elevated events and the the player Impact program. But 132 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: the sponsors were rebelling, they were starting to walk away. 133 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: That for Jay to say publicly that you know, they 134 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: were fully sponsored for next year is wishful thinking at best. 135 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: And so I think it was just that it was 136 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: an acknowledgement like we if we're going to fund the 137 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: tour at this new level, we can't do it with 138 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: the old model. We can't squeeze that much out of 139 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 3: these corporations. It's just it's impossible. And so you could 140 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 3: you could say it took some humility on his part 141 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 3: right to it on some level concede defeat, like we 142 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: got into this, into this battle we couldn't win. This 143 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: is our way out, and the players are going to 144 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: keep getting paid and probably get get more extravagantly paid. 145 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: And I mean anything's on the table, whether that I mean, 146 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 3: the PIF could just put people on salary, right like 147 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 3: now that you're now that this there's this whole new 148 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 3: world order of golf and people have accepted that guaranteed 149 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 3: money is part of the sport like in every other sport, 150 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: Like why not just create a salary system. That's how 151 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 3: you could make Roy McElroy whole right, say, Okay, we'll 152 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: pay you forty million dollars at your salary. You have 153 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 3: to commit to eighteen events whatever, whatever the terms may be. Like, 154 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 3: is there any recognition among your peers, like, hey, like 155 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 3: this might actually work out great for us, Like, all 156 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 3: of a sudden, we have access to to this once 157 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 3: in a once in a lifetime windfall we thought we 158 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 3: missed out would live, but now we've got to live. Money, 159 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: you know, flowing through the PG tour, Like, isn't that 160 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: a good thing? 161 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: Well, I mean you said a couple of things there, 162 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: but like, firstly, yeah, I think the I don't think 163 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: the future was as rosy as some of the players 164 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: may have thought. I mean, like you said, this is 165 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: a bit of an arms race to keep up, and 166 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: there's a recession, there's some stuff going on. This is 167 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: a lot of money that they're trying to generate, and 168 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: as you say, you sort of there's only a certain 169 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: amount of corporations that can come up with that sort 170 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: of money in the US. So I think what this 171 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: is what they're There's two sides to it. One, I 172 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: think they've kind of wanted to end the litigation I 173 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: don't know if that's a tactic of the piff side 174 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: of the argument, but they can sort of keep things 175 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: in court as long as they want. The longer it 176 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: stays there, they can just basically money you out of 177 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: it by like you do all your money on legal fees, 178 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: and that regardless of what was going to come out 179 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: of that lawsuit, you sit in the courts for five 180 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: or six years, you spend hundreds of millions of dollars 181 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: defending the case that you probably know you're going to win, maybe, 182 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: but that does a lot of damage. I mean, hundreds 183 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: of millions of dollars means a lot to like anybody, right, 184 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: and it's just a waste of time arguing and like 185 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: just spending all this money and makes it hard to 186 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: go forward. And to the other side, I'm of the opinion, 187 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: like you said, that this is a really this is 188 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: a this is if the upside, if it works out 189 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: like it could, I think this is an incredible deal. 190 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: This could go down as one of the best deals ever, 191 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's Jay, what what has argued, 192 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: what is arguably going to happen is potentially the PGA 193 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: Tour is going to control golf and the PIFF is 194 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: going to pay for it, which is a stronger position 195 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: than we were in two days ago. The the dp 196 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: World Tour and the Live is going to kind of 197 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: come under the governance of the PGA Tour, and the 198 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: PIFF is going to help out financially. I think, like 199 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: you say, the potential, I don't think Jay would have 200 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: gone into anything like this. Like you said, his job 201 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: is to make the golfers more money, more opportunities, more money, 202 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: and this seems like the sort of deal that that 203 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: that's going to be there. It's a bit of a stretch. 204 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: I think there's a there's a strong there's a there's 205 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: a strong feeling at Ponto Vedra. I think to keep 206 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: the PGA to a model looking basically like the PGA 207 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: Tour looks. There's, like you said, there's a lot of legacy, 208 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: there's sort of it's in a lot of ways a meritocracy. 209 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: If you play well, you get paid. It's always been 210 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: that way. I don't think they will upset sort of 211 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: that main product, the PGA Tour. I don't think the 212 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: PGA Tour really look that different going forward, albeit with 213 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: probably bigger persons. I think it's a step too far 214 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: to go to the I think gets reaching to say 215 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: we'll all end up on salary. I mean, maybe one 216 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: day we will, But I think there's it's going to 217 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: create opportunity. As I said, if it turns out, we 218 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: don't know much at the moment, really, we just sort 219 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: of know about a deal in principle if you like, 220 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: But it could create an incredible opportunity to spread this 221 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: sort of the PGA to a brand, if you like, 222 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: which they've proven the PGA two are they're the best 223 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: at running golf tournaments. You know, they're the best at 224 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: doing this. And they've been doing it for a really 225 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: long time. And it goes all the way back to 226 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: Arnold Palmer and Dean Beaman and Jack Nicklass and they've 227 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: had a long time to get good at running golf tournaments. 228 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: I've played golf tournaments all the way around the world. 229 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: The PGA tour tournaments are the best. They're the best 230 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: to play in. They're the best, the most organized. You 231 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: know that you got a lot of PGA, You got 232 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: a lot of golf tournaments. They're they're great tournaments. It's 233 00:12:54,760 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: it's just going to create it's gonna if there's the 234 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: sensible people in the room, if you like, or the 235 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: experience is going to be steering the ship a little bit, 236 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: and they're going to sort of have, as I said, 237 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: that sort of future proofing or that sort of knowledge 238 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,599 Speaker 1: that you know, we can sort of have some aspirational 239 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: goals here because we know the funds are going to 240 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: be there. We don't have to go year to year 241 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: and based on how the economy is or every ten 242 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: years how the TV deal is going to be. And 243 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: it's also opportunity to grow that sort of level of tournament, 244 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: the PGA to a level of tournament, and to spread 245 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: it around the world. I mean, the PGA Tour as 246 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: we know it will probably, as I said, look pretty similar, 247 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: but there might be all sorts of opportunity outside of 248 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: the US to create incredible stuff. And that's instead of 249 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: now selling to a market of three hundred million people 250 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: and maybe there's a bunch of people outside the US 251 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: who watch the PGA Tour, but now you're actually going 252 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: to be able to take this product around the world 253 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: and have the sort of freedom and reach and spread 254 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: to sort of maybe do some really special stuff. I 255 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: mean I said, we were sort of speculating here, but 256 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: I think it's potentially if the goods the good side 257 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: of this deal is it's gonna grow the game, which 258 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: is the phrase it gets overused, but it really could 259 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: sort of spread that sort of that high level sort 260 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: of elegant so whatever you the Pagata brings to golf 261 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: tournaments and take it around the world, and I think 262 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: that's really cool. 263 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do want to talk about what a unified 264 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 3: global schedule could look at. But before we leave the 265 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: Monahan stuff, I mean, he may have salvaged a good deal, 266 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: but it came at a personal cost for him. He's 267 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 3: had to eat a lot of shit here in the 268 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: last few days. There's definitely some hard feelings. It's you know, 269 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 3: there exchange that Rory McElroy had with Grayson Murray in 270 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: the meeting has been reported where you know, Murray shouted 271 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: something about mon Hand like we can't trust you, we 272 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: don't believe you, and Rory said, you know, you play better, Grayson, 273 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 3: which is act interesting in the context of you know, 274 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 3: it sounds like he's defending mine hand and on that level, 275 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: but you know, certainly then Rory got up and met 276 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: reporters and he you know, he looked a little dark, 277 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: like I think Rory was an idealist, you know, and 278 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: he thought he was fighting a good fight and the 279 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: money guys came in and just sawd them out. And 280 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 3: it's kind of a hard lesson for Rory how things 281 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 3: work in the real world. But what was what was 282 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: your impressions of how Rory handled himself in the meeting 283 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: and do you have any insight into where his head 284 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: is right now? 285 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: I actually think I don't agree with that that I feel. 286 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: I feel like I would if I was Rory. Shane 287 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: Lowry was there too, there was a few players who 288 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: were sort of would have been those guys who were 289 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: really could have got big checks. I don't think he'd 290 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: be dark at all. I actually think it's almost vindication 291 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: because I stayed on the right side of things, and 292 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: the right side of things. You can view this anyway. 293 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: I view this as the PGA Tour is kind of 294 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: winning this one. You know a lot of people are 295 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: viewing it like they've caved in and they've like kind 296 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: of lost this one. But I view it as they 297 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: win because the PGA two is going to have control, 298 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: and that's better for Rory McCord. That's better for the 299 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: guys on the PGA two side. You know, if you 300 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: have a situation where if j is pulling the strings, 301 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: if JA is pulling the strings, say if Jay is 302 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: ends up being the boss of the live tour, well 303 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: that's certainly better for the players on the PGA tour 304 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: side of things. Certainly. I can't see any other side 305 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: to that. So I don't know. I think, I don't know. 306 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: I can't go into anyone else's heads. I thought Rory 307 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: did really well. It was a tough meeting to be 308 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: in because there was a lot of emotion from a 309 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: lot of players. It was not really tense. It was 310 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: a little bit tense, but Rory did okay. People were 311 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: speaking up and I understand all sides of the argument. 312 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: Shane did a really good job. Shane was great in there. 313 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: What did Jane see. 314 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: Oh, he just said, let's all keep a level head. 315 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: Let's we're playing, We're at the RBC Canadian Open, let's 316 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: not all make a big drama about this, Let's keep 317 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: the attention this week on the Canadian Open, and like 318 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: he was really sort of classy about it. We'll see 319 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: what happens going forward sort of thing. And that's kind 320 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: of how I came out of it, but we didn't. 321 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: We learned obviously the big news, but we don't know 322 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: any of the details yet and what it's going to 323 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: look like. To be honest, I don't think Jane, like 324 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: Piff and I don't think they know the details yet either. 325 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's why we're sort of not having any 326 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: details because most of this stuff hasn't been fleshed out. 327 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'd rather take the long view and look 328 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 1: at things like they're going to work out, okay. I mean, 329 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: I've been going to play meetings for twenty years and 330 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: they're often when there's a change thrown out be it. 331 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: The one of the big ones was when they introduced 332 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: the FedEx Cup. We're going to end the normal schedule 333 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: and we're going to have playoffs and all this sort 334 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: of stuff. There was a lot of grumpy golfers saying, 335 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: this is not golf silly. That turned out great. I 336 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,719 Speaker 1: mean it might not turn out perfect and maybe not 337 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: like the NFL playoffs or anything like that, but like 338 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: we have more big money tournaments. It's just kept getting bigger. 339 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: It's the PGA to it. It generally works out better 340 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: for the players. We've played for more money every single year, 341 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 1: there's been more opportunity, good stuff. So I sort of 342 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: go into those meetings thinking I might not agree with 343 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: everything that they say, but generally it works out. So 344 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: I was kind of having that view and trying to 345 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: listen to the good sides of this and not the 346 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: other side of it. And I think you could you 347 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: could have taken the meeting either way. I think, you know, 348 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: that was so nonspecific. You know, there was the general 349 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: this is what we're going to do, and then there 350 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: was lots of non specifics, and I I think it's 351 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 1: often telling in those players meetings where players sort of 352 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: their moods often sort of are a window to where 353 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: they think their game's at and where their futures at 354 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, because if you think your 355 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: game is great, but the guy, the guys who think 356 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: their games are great and they really back themselves for 357 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: the future generally are pretty quiet and kind of like 358 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: what's being said. The guys who sort of maybe are 359 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: a bit nervous about their golf in the future, they 360 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: tend to like don't like to upset the status quo, 361 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: and they don't like change because they're sort of like, 362 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: let's just skip it how it is, because it's kind 363 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: of okay right now, they're they're interesting times. I said, 364 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: this is a really kind of a weird situation because 365 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: normally when the tour comes to us at a player meeting, 366 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: it's a fully fleshed out, fully decided this is going 367 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: to happen. They have power points and colorful graphs and 368 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: this is how much money you're going to make, and 369 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: this is how many tournaments you're going to get to 370 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: play in, and it's all going to be wonderful, and 371 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: we all get convinced by the facts on the board. 372 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: There weren't really any facts or specifics that we learned, 373 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: So it's kind of a leap of faith from all 374 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: the players that we have to kind of trust our leader. 375 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: And to be fair, they haven't acted very trustworthy, you know, 376 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: but it's been a really tumultuous time. I then, would 377 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: you like to be I wouldn't like to be steering 378 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: the ship, Like we can all sit up and judge 379 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: how leaders, how these leaders run this thing, but we don't. 380 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: We're not privy to a whole lot of this stuff. 381 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: And something had to be done, like something had to happen, right. 382 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: If this is the right answer, I don't know, but 383 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting time. They're definitely entertaining these play meetings. 384 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: They're quite fun. 385 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 3: What were some other memorable moments or funny things ever said? 386 00:20:58,640 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: Can you share anything else? 387 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm not that's the general spirit is The general spirit 388 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: was we don't truy Why should we believe anything you say? 389 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: We don't trust you, and you're a bit of a hypocrite. 390 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: That was kind of the general spirit. I'm not going 391 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: to drop it any that he said he owned the hypocrity. 392 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: He owned the hypocrisy. He owned A says, yeah, I 393 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: can see that, and that's a fair that's fair, and 394 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: it is fair. But this landscape has like Riviera, I say, 395 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: from Riviera in twenty two to now isn't very long, really. 396 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this has been a very fluid moving situation 397 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: with a lot of complexity. You know, there's the there's 398 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: the money side of things, and there's the players jumping, 399 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: and then there's the politics of the whole thing. And 400 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: this is a very complex issue to navigate. But as 401 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: you kind of said at the start, his job is 402 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: to make the players more money and give them great 403 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: places to play and improve the product. And the feeling 404 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: I got from him yesterday is he feels like that's 405 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: what this is, is improving the product and making it 406 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: better to be a PGA to a player, and making 407 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: everything involved with the PGA to it better. That was 408 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: a feeling that sort of I got, and he was 409 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: getting sort of yelled at for that. But as I said, 410 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: I think the sort of the karma heads in the 411 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: room were just sitting back taking it all in and 412 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: we'll just see how this ends up, you know. But 413 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: I understand, I completely understand the passion from the players. 414 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: Jay stood up last year saying there's no way I'll 415 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: ever see a LIFT player back on this tour. It 416 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: will never happen. Da da da da da. And this 417 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: arrangement seems to suggest that maybe that'll happen. But he 418 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: did say in the meeting that he did say in 419 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: the meeting that they are sub to the same rules 420 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: and regulations and discipline that they have been today. This 421 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: isn't going to change any of that. So I don't 422 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: think you're going to see an influx of live players 423 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: back on the page at anytime soon. I really don't. 424 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 3: I mean, that's a that's a fundamental question. Something you 425 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: said earlier that you know, the tour's gonna control golf 426 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 3: and the pip's going to pay for it. I disagree 427 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 3: a little bit because Yasser is Jay's boss, he's a 428 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 3: chairman of the board. Beyond that, he controls the money 429 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 3: and that that's one of the big lessons from this 430 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 3: whole thing is the money always wins. You can have 431 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 3: all the high falutin rhetoric, and you can appeal to morality, 432 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 3: and you can appeal to legacy, and you can try 433 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 3: any any linguistic gymnastics you want to, but in the end, 434 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 3: the money wins, and Yasser controls the money. And so 435 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 3: however the board's configured, I think that he's going to 436 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 3: have clearly an outsized influence and he's gonna, you know, 437 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 3: Live has been his baby all along. He's nurtured it, 438 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 3: he's cared for it. It was his and he's been 439 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 3: the driving force that and he's gonna want to take 440 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 3: care of those players, and he's gonna he's gonna want equity, 441 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 3: and I think that I don't think it makes sense 442 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 3: to keep them as separate organizations. I think the players 443 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 3: are gonna have to flow back and forth, and there 444 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 3: may be some you know, truth and reconciliation panel that's 445 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 3: going to have to deal with with. You know, you're 446 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 3: going to treat Andy ogle Tree different than you're can 447 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 3: treat Phil Mickelson, perhaps, but I think there has to 448 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 3: be a road back for these players. Otherwise, what's the point. 449 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 3: I mean, the whole, the whole. We're unifying the game, 450 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 3: we're bringing the sport back together. And if you keep 451 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 3: if you keep them sort of separate but equal, I 452 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 3: don't I don't think that. I don't think that makes 453 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 3: sense in the context of of what they're trying to 454 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 3: sell here, which is a reunified sport and and a 455 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: cohesive approach to the highest level of the game. I 456 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 3: just know how that works well. 457 00:24:54,800 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: Firstly, the PURF is pretty involved in lots of of 458 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: other things and they haven't shown any I mean, they're very, 459 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: very big, a big stake in Formula One and apparently 460 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: they stay pretty hands off there, Like their track record 461 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: is pretty good. They're very involved and this it's a 462 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: small deal here, but they're very involved in like horse 463 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: racing in Australia, which is a really really big sport, 464 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: and they behave immaculately. You know, it's immaculate. They genuinely, 465 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: I genuinely get the feeling. And I don't know, I 466 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: don't know any of these people. I genuinely get the 467 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: feeling that they just kind of want to see it 468 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: at the table and be part of this and sort 469 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: of gradually sort of become part of this sort of world, 470 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: global culture and economy over the next thirty years. Right. 471 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: I just genuinely think that the spirit that they the 472 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: spirit is good in this front. I mean, yes, the 473 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: chairman will be is arguably the boss, and the money 474 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: is the boss. But I mean, who's to say, who's 475 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: to say that the live thing wasn't as out chessing, 476 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: like playing chess and out chessing the PGA Tour, inventing 477 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: a product that he knows is going to fail, but 478 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: it's good enough to create disruption and to buy the 479 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: seat of the table. Like, who's to say this wasn't 480 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: a whole plan. He might not want to live at all. 481 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: He might have just wanted to be part of the 482 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: PGA Tour and this was his way, like he could 483 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: he knocked on the door and they said no, So well, 484 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to disrupt for a bit and then you're 485 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: going to have to let me in and then live 486 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: can just go away because now I'm in, Like you 487 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we don't we're sort of 488 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: we're again you're looking at this from a this is 489 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: a bad idea side of things as opposed to you 490 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: know what this could be. I mean, look, it could 491 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: be any number of anywhere in the middle, and we 492 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: don't really know. But and I'm only I'm only just 493 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: going on the other side of it, just for the 494 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: fun part. But I think it's I would choose, as 495 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: I said, I choose to think that the spirit here 496 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: is good. You know, if the way they're the way 497 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: they're investing, the way they're investing in everything, they're clearly 498 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: sort of looking forward to a post oil economy and 499 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: trying to get involved in this whole thing. And they're 500 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: really just giving us our money back because we've been 501 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: putting gas in our car for you know, however long. 502 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: You know, it's just coming back the other way, and 503 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: it's just coming back through athletes and f one and 504 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: they're investing in Uber and Boeing and all this stuff. 505 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: They're just sort of trying to sort of integrate themselves 506 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: into this world economy, and this is just another small 507 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 1: part of it. And I choose to feel like that 508 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: golf is benefiting from their interest in this rather than 509 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: any sort of sinister feeling of sort of takeover, you know. 510 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: I just think they just want to be part of 511 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: this whole show. 512 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 3: I agree with that. And you know, I've been around 513 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 3: Yasser at some of these live events, and he's a 514 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 3: very understated presence. He's not bombastic. He's very soft spoken. 515 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 3: He has these very courtly manners. He's very kind to 516 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 3: the people around him, Like you know, he's probably one 517 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 3: of the five most powerful people on the planet, but 518 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: he doesn't emanate that at all. He's very low key, 519 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 3: and he clearly loves golf. That's what's driving this whole thing. 520 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 3: I mean, Keith Pelly has funny quotes in my book, 521 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 3: but he's like, this is all because of Yaser. I mean, 522 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 3: if he was if he was a volleyball guy, they'd 523 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 3: be building volleyball arenas and creating volleyball super leagues, you know. 524 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,479 Speaker 3: But he loves golf, and that that's what's driving all 525 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 3: of this, And so I think I agree. I think 526 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 3: there that the spirit you describe is accurate, but he doesn't. 527 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 3: He doesn't have a seat at the table. I mean 528 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 3: he owns the chair, he owns the table, he owns 529 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: the building, he owns the parking lot, like you know, 530 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 3: as far as the influence, however, they can figure the 531 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 3: board and whatever title J has. I mean, Jay's gonna 532 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 3: be the chief bureaucrat, there's no doubt. But I mean 533 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 3: Yaser is going to be the driving force behind this. 534 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 3: I really believe that, and so he's going to be 535 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 3: happy to delegate some of the details about who gets in, 536 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 3: who doesn't, who doesn't, you know, how many, the size 537 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 3: of the fields and and the exemptions. Like he's not 538 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 3: gonna get bogged down in that. But the live question 539 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 3: is really interesting, you know, what happens to live now? 540 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 3: And I've been debating that with different people all day long. 541 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 3: And you know, Greg Norman went on he had a 542 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 3: call this morning with the whole staff and he basically said, 543 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 3: nothing changes, like we're we're going to keep going. We're 544 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 3: building out our schedule for twenty four and twenty five 545 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 3: and beyond. And you know, he he's very bullish. And 546 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 3: someone another top executive you know, basically said had a 547 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 3: meeting and said, I only know two things. We won, 548 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: and this is really good for live golf. And so 549 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: there's this thinking that lives is gonna blow away like tumbleweed. 550 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: But I think I think, you know, for for Y'allsros, 551 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 3: this legacy thing like this is this was his creation. 552 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 3: And if all he is is the the writing checks 553 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 3: to the PGA Tour and the European Tour, it's kind 554 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 3: of like, uh, he does. He is at the table 555 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 3: that he owns. But it's I think he want more 556 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 3: than that. I think they want to have a sense 557 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 3: of ownership and creation and and live golf is that. 558 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 3: And so how they incorporate some piece of that into 559 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: this this larger schedule is it gonna be fascinating. And 560 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 3: it does become a mechanism for getting payers played, you 561 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 3: know there, how do you make it up to Hideki 562 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 3: and to the other guys who turned down so much money. 563 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 3: I mean, there's you can give them a piece of 564 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 3: a franchise. They can just they can. They could pump 565 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 3: the live person's way up. Guys could come in and 566 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 3: out and play those like I think it becomes a 567 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 3: mechanism to kind of make things right and along with 568 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 3: the Auster's emotional investment, and I don't think Live is 569 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 3: going anywhere. I think that they'll they'll find a way 570 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 3: to They'll probably shrink the schedule, but it will remain 571 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 3: kind of a parallel thing that gets incorporate into the 572 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 3: larger schedule in some clever fashion. But that that's that's 573 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 3: gonna be a fascinating fundamental question like what happens to 574 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 3: Live Golf, which has been a monumental undertaking to get 575 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 3: at this or well. 576 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: As I said, I think, I don't I don't know, 577 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: but basically, the PGA Tour is going to be the 578 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: boss of Live. That's that's this deal. Like I don't 579 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: know the details, but fundamentally, the PGA Tour and Jay 580 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: is going to be that. That's going to be part 581 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: of the whole thing too. So I don't think it's 582 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: not there's there's going to be no sort of contest. 583 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: It's gonna be one company basically running at all. And 584 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: I'm pretty confident that Jay, if he wants to stay, 585 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: if he wants to stay in that chair, he's not 586 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: going to just be handing memberships back to these lift 587 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: players in like December or January. I'm pretty confident that's 588 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: not going to happen. I mean, I think the best 589 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,959 Speaker 1: you'll see is that maybe they can be non members 590 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: but get invites, you know, play limited amount of tournaments, 591 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: because I don't think anybody like do you want to 592 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: tell the tournament director or the sponsor of any tournament 593 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: that they can't have Dustin Johnson or Brooks kept Girl 594 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: or cam Smith or you know, like, but it's hard 595 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,959 Speaker 1: to tell the membership of the PGA tours, like, well, 596 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: these guys got the money and they're all going to 597 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: be members too, and they're going to be taking our 598 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: spots in the field. So I don't think that's going 599 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: to happen. I think it's interesting. And as I said, 600 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: we don't know. We didn't learn anything else. They're really 601 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: apart from sort of this deal in principle and how 602 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: we're all sort of speculating about how it might look. 603 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: But I believe that the spirit of this whole thing 604 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: is like in a pretty good spot. And as I said, 605 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: he's a very smart guy. Yes, Like you said, who's 606 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: to say that live? As I said, wasn't the card 607 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: that he played to get to be a part of 608 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: the bigger show, which is the PGA too, which is 609 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: the proven product, because Live hasn't really proven itself as 610 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: being anything that people are really crazy interested in yet. 611 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: And if that's that's a business and if the balance 612 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: sheet and the profit lost does it just keeps looking bad, well, 613 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: then they're going to just start, Well, let's let's start 614 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: that the money needs to be really the product that 615 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: does make money and it is a really good business model, 616 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: which is the PGA Tour. Yeah, I don't know, it's 617 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: all speculate, It's it's gonna be a very interesting like 618 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: it's been a fun couple of days, and then it'll 619 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: all settle down. But the next six months, when we 620 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: see the PGA Tour twenty four schedule come out, what 621 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: that's going to look like? What does the Live schedule 622 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: come out? When does that come out? What does that 623 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: look like? What does the dp World Tour look like? 624 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: What does the agent tool look like? I mean, what 625 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: are the pathways to get to the tour look like? 626 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the corn Ferry. What's happen to the 627 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: corn Ferry Tour? Champions Tour could be really interesting. I mean, 628 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: with this big sort of the PGA Tour, the hemoth 629 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: of the PGA Tour has sort of been sort of 630 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: propping up, if you like, or the top fifty players, 631 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: the ones who bring all the money to the main tour. 632 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: They've sort of been propping up the Conferry Tour and 633 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: the champions to it for a long time, right, the 634 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: main products has been looking after the the other products, 635 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,479 Speaker 1: and maybe there's a little bit of freedom now to 636 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: sort of do some fun stuff for the champions to 637 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 1: do some cool stuff with the corn Ferry. The dp 638 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: World Tour might become genuinely a bigger deal. Maybe it 639 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: becomes the step up to it to get to the 640 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: PGA Tour. Maybe there's PGA Tour events all around the world. 641 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: Maybe it becomes like everyone. Maybe there's some sort of 642 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: hybrid that they're really there. They're seventy two hole stroke 643 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: play tournaments like we play here, but maybe there's a 644 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: few more spread around the world. I don't know, don't 645 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: We don't know how it's all going to look. I 646 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: think there's a freedom that Jay will have now in 647 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour to be a bit am big because 648 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: they've got the checkbook, or they've they've got access to 649 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: the checkbook. And I think the checkbook I think the 650 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: piff and yes, sir, the goal was I want what 651 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: we want to see it at the table at the 652 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: best show in town, which is a PGA tour, and 653 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: I think Live was one of us steppingstone to get there, 654 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: albeit a product that is probably proud of and maybe 655 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: he wants to keep going. I think the main goal 656 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: was to be a part of the big show. 657 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 3: I don't disagree, but Live could be part of the 658 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 3: big show. I mean, I love the idea of have 659 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 3: an event where you have the six strongest live teams 660 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 3: and then you take six teams of pg Tour guys 661 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 3: like that would have some real energy around it and 662 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 3: just you know, just as they did at the season 663 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 3: ender in Miami. You play individual matches, but you also 664 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 3: have team matches going and that that could be fun. 665 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 3: I mean, might as well lean into the fact that 666 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 3: there is a little bit of tension there and a 667 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 3: little bit of a divide and that that could be 668 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 3: that could be blockbuster. But the global schedule is fascinating. 669 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 3: Like it if you think about it's never really existing. 670 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 3: You these tournaments are always in competition with each other. Now, 671 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 3: if you could make it all make sense, like turn 672 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 3: the Australian Open into a tour event and go go 673 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 3: down to hit South Africa on the way, and then 674 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 3: you go to Asia and then you have you have 675 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 3: the West Coast Swing, and then you do Florida and 676 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 3: then at some point you go to Europe. And then 677 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 3: you know, we should you should get sit down with 678 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 3: a pen and a piece of paper, Jeff and and 679 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 3: come up with the dream unified global schedule that draws 680 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 3: on every tour. And but now finally we can make 681 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 3: that happen, right, like it never made sense you had 682 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 3: really good tournaments on on the European Tour and the 683 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 3: PG Tour at the same time. Like now you could 684 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 3: slot things out differently and just ensure that the best 685 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 3: players come together way more often, which you know the 686 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 3: elevated events did and Live did, but they'd they'd split 687 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 3: the game in half. Now, if you can bring that 688 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 3: same spirit where you F one is a good analog. 689 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 3: I mean the recent F one works is because you 690 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 3: know that Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstaff are gonna be 691 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 3: every single race. And if we can get that in 692 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 3: golf where every time you turn the TV on, they're 693 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 3: on a cool golf course and all your favorite players 694 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 3: are there and small the ones you don't like, but 695 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,919 Speaker 3: you know, the anti heroes like whatever, But you need 696 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 3: you need the Patrick Reid's and you need the the 697 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 3: bryceon Deshambos to go along with the nice guys too. 698 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 3: So I just think I think the possibilities are endless 699 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 3: to finally have a schedule that makes sense and where 700 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 3: the players can travel in mass to different parts of 701 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 3: the world. And it's never been it's never been achieved, 702 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 3: but it's now it's achievable. Whether it'll happen, you know, 703 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 3: who knows if they can, if they can really make it, 704 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 3: if they can really make all the pieces fit. But 705 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 3: I love to dream about it. I think it could 706 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 3: be cool. 707 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Yeah, I just look, this could 708 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: go any different direction and the negotiations could fall apart, 709 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,879 Speaker 1: and I don't know, but I don't It seems far 710 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 1: enough down the road that something's going to come out 711 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,720 Speaker 1: of this. And as I said, I choose to see 712 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: the good side of this, and like you say, that 713 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: global potential, global schedule, that the crazy money that potentially 714 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: could flow in to the PGA Tour and the players 715 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,439 Speaker 1: and the European players. Professional golfers are all around the world. 716 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: I mean, like people think we make piles of money, 717 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 1: and we do, but only the top bunch. 718 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 3: You know. 719 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: It's an expensive sport to play on your own. I 720 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: mean it's we pay our way around the world and 721 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: you play bad for six months and you're out of 722 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: a job. You know, if if all the layers, if 723 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: all the layers sort of get a bit, this is 724 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 1: this is creating a situation where you can feed more 725 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: sort of funds into all the different layers of the 726 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: sport and spread around the world. And there's clearly going 727 00:38:54,280 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 1: to be some there's some rocky road sort of a 728 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,240 Speaker 1: bit of conflict in amongst players and tour management between 729 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: here and getting there, because this is all a very 730 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: new thing. But I think Rory said it today. I 731 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: mean I looked ten years down the road and I 732 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: kind of like how it looks, you know, I sort 733 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: of choose to feel that I genuinely think this is 734 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: going to go down as this This has the potential 735 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: to go down as the best deal ever done, you know, 736 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: and it's not just Jay's, it's everybody, you know, like 737 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: it's the whole. 738 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 3: Thing. 739 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: There's the potential that this is like, wow, that was 740 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: the day that golf really went really maximized its potential 741 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: because it wasn't just limiting itself to one market or 742 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: one strict little model. There's all sorts of different models. 743 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: If you're all under the same umbrella, you can have 744 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: team season and individual season and like travel season and 745 00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: the Southern Hemisphere swing, and like, this's just a lot 746 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: of potential upside. 747 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 3: You know. 748 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: With some there's there's some negatives, especially from a PGA 749 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: to a player born of view, but these these are 750 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: going to be PGA to a players that I would 751 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: think if this comes off that there's sort of some 752 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 1: negatives emotionally, but financially they're going to be pretty good, 753 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, so which tends to soften the blow for people. Yeah, 754 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: big tim, So we're going to see. Yeah, I'm I'm 755 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: bullish about the whole thing. I hope it turns out 756 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: the way I hope it can it Clearly, I'm complete. 757 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:46,919 Speaker 1: I'm sort of rose colored glasses here, but I would 758 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: rather sort of innocent to proven guilty, you know, I 759 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: mean as opposed to the other way around. Let's let's 760 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: just see where all lands and if it goes, like 761 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: Jay was suggesting, as I said, there were no specifics, 762 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: but if it goes like he was suggesting the general feel, 763 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: if you could kind of read between the lines with 764 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: what he was saying, it's like the PGA Tour is 765 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: now going to run golf, and we now have access 766 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: to funds that we've never had before, and we're going 767 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: to be able to do some stuff that we've always 768 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: wanted to do that we couldn't do before without lawsuits 769 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: going on, without conflict. So it feels like it, Yeah, 770 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: it could, it could be really really good, but hopefully 771 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: we can hopefully we can get to that without too 772 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: much more carnage because all this carnage and golf has 773 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 1: been a shame. But good for golf, good for golf 774 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: riders like you. 775 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's been eventful for sure. No, 776 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 3: that that's all really well said, and I agree with 777 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 3: that pretty much everything that you've laid out. I mean, 778 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 3: I do think on a personal level, it's tough one 779 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,320 Speaker 3: for Jay, it's tough for Rory, but they're big boys. 780 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 3: I mean the larger picture. 781 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: I think could be He'll land on his feet. 782 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 3: Rory's fine. I mean, the ultimate first world problems. I 783 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 3: mean they're both going to be fine, but it's it's 784 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 3: just kind of puts an exclamation point on a very 785 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 3: tumultuous period and we'll see how it. Please are I 786 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 3: love seeing lowry guys. Can we just pay attention to 787 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 3: the Canadian Open, please, Like, let's just focus on the 788 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 3: Canadian Opens, not now shit. 789 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, they've got so unlucky. It was this 790 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,879 Speaker 1: It was this week last year that the first live 791 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: event was on, right, So RBC arguably, I mean, I know, 792 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 1: the biggest sponsor, but they're in the top two or 793 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: three sponsors of all of golf. They put a lot 794 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: of money in and they love it and this is 795 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 1: their sort of flagship tournament. Two years in a row, 796 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: they've the newspapers have been talking about everything except the 797 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: Canadian Open, you know, and Rory saved it last year. 798 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 1: But winning, i mean, having Rory win sort of saved 799 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,800 Speaker 1: it a little bit. But I think he was feeling 800 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,359 Speaker 1: that and I kind of kind of feel fro him 801 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: because they genuinely are golf one of golf's biggest supporters. 802 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: And it was it was very sensible, it was getting 803 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: it was not getting unruly yesterday, but there was a 804 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: lot of emotion in the air and you weren't going 805 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 1: to you know, when you get to those points where 806 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,400 Speaker 1: you're just not going to get anywhere further, you know, 807 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: you just he couldn't tell He couldn't tell players anything. 808 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 1: You knew. He wanted to tell them everything, but he 809 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: can't because he doesn't know the details. And the players 810 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 1: wanted more answers, and they deserve answers, the players, And 811 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: so it was kind of you're at that style, mate, 812 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: where it was just sort of becoming unraveled a little bit, 813 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,359 Speaker 1: and sort of Shane stepped in the sensible voice and said, 814 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: come on, let's just play the Canadian Open. Let's just 815 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 1: move forward, and let's just we'll keep asking questions of 816 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: Jay and I hope it works out well. You know, 817 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: it was cool. 818 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 3: I like that. Well, I hope you play well the 819 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 3: Canadian Open. Jeff, thanks for taking the time to do this. 820 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 3: It's on the eve of the first round. You have 821 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 3: other things to worry about, but it's always great to 822 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 3: get your perspective and take the temperature inside of the 823 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,399 Speaker 3: actual room where it happened. So that is another Fire 824 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 3: Drill podcast. We will check in with Jeff again down 825 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 3: the road as things continue to evolve. But fairies and greens, 826 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 3: thanks for doing sir, and uh we'll be back at 827 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 3: it again soon. 828 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: And grants for short because the rough is very long 829 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: this week, so short grass is the best. 830 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 3: Okay for all for all the sports betters out there there, 831 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 3: you have it so all right. Thanks again, Jeff, I'm 832 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,280 Speaker 3: bet big again. 833 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 2: I played the wind, made a fortune when my ship 834 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 2: came man, I ran the table, never thought I could 835 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 2: fall down. The winter time hit me like a cannon 836 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 2: in the ball, and now I can't shake this losing streak. 837 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 2: Every road I take is a dead end stream. I 838 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 2: got thoughts in my head, can't get them out, trying 839 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 2: not to think what I'm thinking about. I've got thoughts 840 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 2: in my head, can't get them out, trying not to 841 00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 2: think what I'm thinking about.