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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Pack twelve Apostles. We got something new

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Speaker 1: what's going on with these recruiting classes in the conference?

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Speaker 1: U c l A has big money problems again. Oregon

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Speaker 1: State has a fifty million dollar donor and we gotta

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Speaker 1: figure out who it is. The Pack twelve tournament may

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Speaker 1: if that doesn't affect the n C Double A tournament,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about the message boards and the

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Speaker 1: mods in the back twelve. I'm George Rice Stir, He's

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Speaker 1: Ralph Ampston and this is the Pack twelve Apostles. Thank

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Speaker 1: The podcast by Pack twelve Fans, four Pack twelve fans,

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Speaker 1: Ralph Fams and me at George Rice stir Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: what what? Oh legal five star review? Despite what this

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Speaker 1: because he's just okay with whatever. Do what you feel,

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Speaker 1: the listener. All right. Well, so many of you guys

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Speaker 1: have taken advantage of our Easter rag in the last

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Speaker 1: two episodes. Some of you have not heard it yet.

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Speaker 1: That means you skipping around, you're missing crucial info. So

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Speaker 1: we will give it out again, the information, and some

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Speaker 1: of you guys have been on top of it, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have something special for you people who take

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Speaker 1: advantage of that, who know about it. But remember you

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Speaker 1: are not allowed to tell people if they don't know.

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Speaker 1: Would you agree with that, Broph? Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I thought I thought you wanted this to

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Speaker 1: I thought you wanted to despread. I don't want trolls

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Speaker 1: do want it to be fun, So yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: say I would say, if you're gonna use it, uh,

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Speaker 1: people who were listeners. No, no, you have to listen

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Speaker 1: to Yeah, but if you're just writing it down and

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Speaker 1: posting it on, like, come on, man, you can't keep

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Speaker 1: a secret. I can't tell you anything, Jesus Louise Brow.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, dude, I can't even imagine if you found

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, it's over. Oh h what's that? I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get all high in mighty? But what's the Washington

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Speaker 1: Post slogan democracy dies in darkness? I believe in democracy.

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Speaker 1: so did did they do where they keeping democracy in

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Speaker 1: the light? When they when their headline read about Marty Schottenheimer, Oh,

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Speaker 1: what that might have been the worst headline ever. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that was the most passive aggressive? Actually was that even passive?

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Speaker 1: bad taste. It felt very much like the Piers Morgan

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Speaker 1: when Piers Morgan came out and he was like, ah,

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Speaker 1: So he's saying, if you want to win, or you

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Speaker 1: in traffic, Like I hate being in traffic, but it's

430
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: cheaper to live in the suburbs. Like you always justify

431
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: your your reasonable thought process here, Ralph, I'm just trying

432
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of while you're you're hating.

433
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: Do you like the transfer culture? I don't care. I

434
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: think that that that coaches transfer all the time. I

435
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: done what. I don't believe you what don't you believe

436
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: because we're sitting here talking about uh with a glowing review.

437
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: Oregon is fantastic recruiting class. You care when they choose Oregon.

438
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: You care? Anybody cares when they choose Yes, I do

439
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: care when they choose Oregon. But so you wouldn't prefer

440
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: that they stick around. You're excited to see him, but

441
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: you don't care if they come and go, well, I okay, okay,

442
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: here here it is too. As far as my team goes,

443
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: I have not been the victim of like of like

444
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: a good player being like all right, I'm out. I mean, yes,

445
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: we Oregon had a bunch of opt outs this year,

446
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: but that but they didn't transfer. They just decided I'm

447
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: going to the NFL unexpectedly when they we're supposed to

448
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: be coming back. So that was a little annoying. But

449
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: as far as transfer culture, No, the reason why I

450
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: don't hate it is because coaches transfer all the time.

451
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: They make the best decision for themselves. So why should

452
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: I begrudge a kid who figured out I'm not gonna

453
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: play here, I signed at the wrong place. That there

454
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: is an element to it where I do believe some

455
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: of these kids are getting bad advice that they don't

456
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: want to play through adversity which will make them better.

457
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: Like I do believe, I believe that all those things

458
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: are true, but I also believe that kids should get

459
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: the one time transfer as they're right. But don't you

460
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: hate it? Don't you hate it when somebody makes an

461
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: obviously bad to sit like they could they could just

462
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: have a good college experience, but they transfer a new

463
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: situation that you know isn't gonna be any better for them.

464
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: Like Washington State had a quarterback a while back. His

465
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: name was Tyler Brugman. He didn't really vibe with Mike Leach,

466
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: so he decided to transfer to Louisville and it was

467
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: and so did five other quarterbacks. And also they had

468
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: just recruited Lamar Jackson. So then it was like, uh, yeah,

469
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna work out for you. So

470
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: in the year three he went JUCO and then he

471
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: ended up getting picked up by Montana State, and then

472
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: he grab transferred to Texas A and M so he's

473
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: he he ends up in five different places. Was to

474
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: be at a big place, and sometimes that's not the

475
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: best move for you if you really want to play right.

476
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: Once you get to a school, sometimes the writing is

477
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: on the wall. It's not a parent like immediately because

478
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: you have to get better. You have to figure it out.

479
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: So you do have to be able to like sit

480
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: through some things. Sometimes you're not gonna play first year.

481
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're not gonna play second year. But when you

482
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: get to that third year, you you know, okay, either

483
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: I have a chance to play here or I don't.

484
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: And and I think that that's kind of where the

485
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: decisions need to be made. Sometimes I think kids, you know,

486
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: they don't see it early. But sometimes kids they do

487
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: see it early. They're like, listen, I'm transferring from Oregon

488
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 1: to Central Arkansas. Because they're like yo, like I'm not

489
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: I see that. What's what's here? Or at USC and

490
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to you know, uh, Portland's State because they're like,

491
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: hold I I see what's going on. Like, I'm not

492
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah, so I need somewhere where I can

493
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: go play because I want to play. So I'm I'm

494
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 1: not mad at those kids. But when you start getting transferred, Oh,

495
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: I want to go to Montana State to go back

496
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: to Texas A and m like bro Like, sometimes that

497
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: ain't for you. Sometimes your path to your dreams is

498
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: through North Dakota State. So the question, and I think

499
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: that some people who maybe maybe have you tell me

500
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: if it's legitimate, but they might have actually like a

501
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: legitimate criticism of the times that we're living in and

502
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: the amount of transfers that are happening is because if

503
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 1: you do make it more available to them, it couldn't

504
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: priest the likelihood that they quit or they don't persevere.

505
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: So there's that mindset of it could kind of be

506
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: for their own good. Like you could put a jar

507
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: of cookies out on your kitchen table and you could

508
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: tell your kids, nobody grab any cookies out of this

509
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: jar um while I'm gone, and then you leave, and

510
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: that temptation is there for them because it's out there

511
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: in the middle of everything. But if you put it

512
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: up on high shelf and you don't let them know

513
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: what's there, then you know, maybe they're actually able to

514
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: accomplish things a little bit better. I know that's a

515
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: really rudimentary metaphor, but it's just like, do you set

516
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: them up for failure by making quitting easier? Or is

517
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: that the wrong perspective to have all together? Okay, I

518
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: think that sometimes kids do quit they don't want to

519
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: go through adversity. But sometimes they realize I made a mistake.

520
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: You know, they're like and you can't tell the difference

521
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: between which kids which because sometimes that transfer works out

522
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: for him. Yeah. Um, next thing up. U C l

523
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: A has big money problems like uh, more money, laxing,

524
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: less money, more problems. It's not more money more problems.

525
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: The more money will come across, the more problems we see. No, no,

526
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: they got they have twenty one million dollar operating deficit

527
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: for twenty Granted, a lot of teams took a bath

528
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: in with no n C Double A tournament, no fans

529
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: in the stands like normal, but this is the second

530
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: straight year. But should I even should we even think

531
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: that this is a big deal roupe because twenty million

532
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: dollar loss sounds like a win in a pandemic year,

533
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: I suppose. But they were already sort of trending in

534
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: that direction. Obviously they're gonna they're gonna be able to

535
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: get loans on this stuff they got Jordan and is collateral.

536
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: Now they know that they have future income on the

537
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: on the way in and everything like that. And you know,

538
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: college sports is a business still works, so you're I

539
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: don't think too many people are gonna lose their job

540
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: over it. But that also always exists as a possibility

541
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: to to be able to do some short term cost

542
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: cutting UM because you don't you don't want to go

543
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: so far into um into debt or whatever, and so

544
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: you know, you never like to see that be the situation.

545
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: But because it's happened two years in a row, it

546
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: makes you wonder, you know, are, even if things get healthy,

547
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: are is the situation? Internal is the the issue? Internal

548
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: is to where, no matter how healthy the situation gets

549
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: for the conference with new negotiations or with Jordan Brand

550
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: or anything like that, are they doing things incorrectly that

551
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: caused them to be in arms way financially? Yeah, So

552
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: UM Texas. Even Texas saw their operating revenues dropped by

553
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty I mean by twenty three million

554
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: dollars to just over two hundred million dollars. UM and

555
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: U c l A revenues fail to nine seven million

556
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: from a hundred and eight million in twenty nineteen. Yeah. Yeah,

557
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: but but their expenses did fall from a hundred and

558
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: twenty seven million to one nineteen and part of that

559
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: was they spent two million dollars lesson food instead of

560
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: five million dollars and food. That's been three money. I

561
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: told you that three million was the number. Okay, but

562
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: you also vehemently defended them spending five million dollars on food.

563
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: Hey man, these kids are bringing in the money. You

564
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: feed them. The crime, della crime. How do you What

565
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: do you feel like though? If you walk onto that

566
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: campus as a freshman and everybody told you it's flaming

567
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: you on a lobster surf and turf and reveal and

568
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: you get there and uh yeah, you get the crab

569
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: meat with the k Now you get a crab stick. Dude,

570
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: I am not in on crab crab sticks, bro, Like

571
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: when I go to sushi, right, restaurants say if I

572
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: get a California Roll, which I like a lot, I'm like, no,

573
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: give me, give me real crab in mine. Thank you.

574
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: I was completely not surprised by any part of that story.

575
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 1: Why not, like you don't you don't like real crab

576
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: in your California roll. Of course I do change de

577
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: price some like six bucks to twelve bucks. But but but

578
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: no substitutes is your brand. I will I will accept

579
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: no substitutes. That's very much your brand. Uh. I'm more

580
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: of the like, oh, thank you, sir, get what I

581
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: can get like this, this does feel like eating real crab.

582
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm on the coast right now. Meanwhile,

583
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: you're holding a someone dog, someone painted white one, and

584
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: you know what, it's crazy, dude. Okay. So, so so

585
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: my wife for her birthday, she wanted, uh, like a

586
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: King crab leg dinner, right, Okay, So I went to

587
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: Costco to go get some King crab and they didn't

588
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: have it out in the middle, like because it was

589
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: like a weekday. So but I remember I was like, oh,

590
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: they have it in a freezer section and on the

591
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: sticker it was like twenty pounds for like four thirty

592
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: bucks or whatever. Right, So then I was like, we

593
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: don't we don't need twenty pounds of crab, you know,

594
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: I mean like it's only like, you know, everybody's not

595
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: even gonna eat crab. So I bought a ten pounder

596
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: and we didn't eat all of it. We only ate

597
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: half of it. And I stuck the red rest of

598
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: them in the freezer, you know, like, uh, it's not

599
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: the colossal legs, but they're giant crab crab legs of

600
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: the king crab. Excuse me, of the king crab legs.

601
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: And then the other day I was making some salmon

602
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh yo, I'm gonna make salmon

603
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: oscar style and so and then I was like and

604
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: then I went in the freezer to go get some

605
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: crab legs. And then I told my wife. I was like,

606
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: this is weird. Like I just went to the freeze

607
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: and I just randomly have king crab legs just just

608
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: on deck. I thought I thought it was weird. I

609
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: just I don't know, man. That segment brought to you

610
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:42,479
Speaker 1: by Pacific Seafood d D Premier Seafood sponsor. Oh my god, yeah,

611
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: I kick us. You gotta kick us some of that

612
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: that that that salmon money. I do wonder though, and

613
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: I think we we actually like talked about it when

614
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: they signed that deal with Pacific Seafood. Are the schools

615
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: funneling money for sustenance through the sponsors? Would be is

616
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: a sponsor essentially getting their money back? Is that how

617
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: this is working there? Hey? Yo, they should be. I'd

618
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: be like, yo, I need you know, we need we

619
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: need two hundred pounds of crab crab legs a quarter.

620
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: It's a better not know Gorton's fish sticks. Yeah, hell no.

621
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: Uh so, Yeah, we believe U c l A that

622
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: we they will recover and they have Jordan Brand now

623
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: new athletic director, seems to be doing a really good job.

624
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: If he can build the football team into a winner.

625
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: This is a non issue um Oregon State, though, they

626
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: got a fifty million dollar anonymous donor and to help

627
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: build up their stadium, finish their project and the athletic facility,

628
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Fifty million dollars. It's an anonymous donor,

629
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: so that let people to wonder who the hell it is.

630
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you

631
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: a few names of famous Oregon State alumni. You tell me,

632
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: on a on a scale of one to ten, how

633
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: likely it was this person that had something to do

634
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: with it. Okay, we got Jody and Patterson, the two

635
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: thousand Playboy Playmate of the Year. She doesn't have fifty

636
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: million dollars. Okay, Okay, let's see here we have uh

637
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: Meredith Phillips, star of ABC reality television show The Bachelorettes.

638
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: She doesn't have fifty million dollars. She she may not

639
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: have five million dollars. So okay, okay, So so we're

640
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: saying a note of that. Uh. Gary Payton, the two

641
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: thousand Summer Living an old medalist. He didn't play in

642
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Speaker 1: today's NBA. Okay, Okay, Um, how about let's go with um.

643
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: We might be getting close. John Young, the former president

644
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 1: and CEO of Hewlett Packard State alone. He probably has

645
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: made fifty million dollars, but doesn't have fifty million dollars

646
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: to give Oregon State. All Right, you tell me if

647
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: this guy you think actually made any money on this.

648
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: Randy Conrad's the founder of classmates dot com. It depends

649
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: on when he exited, Okay, and then the one that

650
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: there's one that there's only one reasonable former Okay, go

651
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: Bernie Newcombe, co founder of the Trade Oh hell yeah, dude,

652
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: he's he's got that type of bread. He's got that

653
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: type of bread. Um, who are you thinking the research

654
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 1: salad Okay, they they're the people who are named who

655
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: have the naming rights for Salad Bowl Stadium. But but

656
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: here is the Here is the thing I think the most.

657
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: I think that there are three, well four likely, well

658
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: three likely outcome three likely donors. Number one is the

659
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: recess right. But they would have put their name on it,

660
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: like they have their name on the stadium. Well they

661
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: anymous all of a sudden, it's a stadium project. Yeah,

662
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: that has your name on it, like that's say the

663
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: uh the Trade guy. He's not gonna donate it anonymously. Nope.

664
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Speaker 1: So that leaves me with two reasonable options. Number one

665
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: is Phil Knight. Um, because Phil Knight has made numerous

666
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: donations too. He's made huge donations to Stanford even though

667
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: he did go to Stanford. Two. Um, we we know

668
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: what he does for Oregon. He's done things for other universities,

669
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: particularly in the state of Oregon, to help them out,

670
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: but he doesn't do it publicly. Uh, So so he

671
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: is an option. The other and they are a Nike school.

672
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: The other option is the Boosters Club or like the

673
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: people like. They didn't want it to be like that.

674
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: They were paying the fifty million dollars themselves, so saying

675
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: it was anonymous was their best option. So I think

676
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: that that's probably the number one option, and then field

677
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: nice number two. Did you know that the founder of

678
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: U haul is an Oregon state alone? Hmm? I didn't

679
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: know that. Does he still own the company? As the question, uh,

680
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: he killed himself suicide by car crash back in n

681
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: uh In in Las Vegas, So I'm thinking it might

682
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Speaker 1: not have been correct correct It was not him, So

683
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: those I think are the best options. Who do you

684
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Speaker 1: out of who do you think it was? I think

685
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: it makes sense that that it was that it was

686
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: sort of a group effort that they wanted to just

687
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: make sure that you know, um, you know, so that

688
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: it was easy to misinterpret it as a one person

689
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: fifty million dollar UH donation. I don't understand the idea

690
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: of making an anonymous donation to take your attendance capacity

691
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: down nine thousand dollars or nine thousand seats um in

692
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: an admission that no one goes to pack twelve football games.

693
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: It's the same thing that Arizona State eliminated thirty thousand

694
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Speaker 1: seats and it took four hundred million dollars to do that,

695
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: along with other updates and upgrades. It's just it's embarrassing

696
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: that all these Pack twelve stadiums keep trying to get smaller, right,

697
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: and they're taking donations from people in order to do it.

698
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: It's just it makes you feel kind of weird inside.

699
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: But I think I think your theory makes sense. But

700
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: Phil n could do something like that, but ultimately not

701
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: wanted to to look to Oregon, the Oregon faithful that

702
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: he's helping rival. Yeah yeah, um yeah, just as long

703
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: as you do these upgrades right. Because they just did

704
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: a re ranking of all the recruiting facilities and all

705
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: the football facilities in the nation. Oregans redid there's like

706
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: over five years ago and they're still number two in

707
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: the rankings, but behind Clemson, like they If you're gonna

708
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: do it, spend the money, do it right. Don't do

709
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: it half as the way. Then your stuff is outdated

710
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: later like spending time. Do it correctly. Um. The Pac

711
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: twelve Tournament, the Pac twelve Basketball Tournament is going on. Well,

712
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: it may or may not happen, but it's still scheduled

713
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: to go on in Las Vegas. But there are conferences

714
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: who are considering canceling their Pack twelve tournaments because well,

715
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve tournament and other or their conference tournaments

716
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 1: because they fear that they they'll have to travel somewhere

717
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: like Las Vegas for the PAC twelve tournament, they could

718
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: catch COVID while having to move, move around and travel,

719
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: stay out of their own bubbles. And then because we've

720
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: had so many college basketball games canceled, postponed, all that,

721
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: and then that could put them in jeopardy of not

722
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: being able to play in the tournament. So what would

723
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: what would you do if you were in charge? I'm

724
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: just I'm depressed that we're even having this conversation twelve

725
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: months after we already lost the basketball conference tournaments and

726
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: March madness. Like, I cannot believe that numbers are still

727
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: like they're getting better in some places but still completely

728
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: out of control. Um, like what a mess, and so

729
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: like I hate that we're even talking about this. I

730
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: understand the concern, um, but if everybody has the same

731
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: exact concern that they don't want to travel to play.

732
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: Maybe they're gonna do it, right, But so if everyone's like, yeah,

733
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: it's fine as long as you come to us, how

734
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: does that not present the same exact risk of people

735
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: coming to you from somewhere else where you can't control. Well, well,

736
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: the differences. Oh wait, are you talking about for the

737
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: n C Double A tournament? For for the conference tournament

738
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: you're saying are you saying that people would be willing

739
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: if you can find a way to like centralize it

740
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: around some of the schools, that they'd be willing to

741
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: do it, or they just want to get rid of

742
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: it because of the central city. No, no, they want

743
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: to do they want to get rid of it because

744
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: it may cause an issue with COVID for the n

745
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: C Double A tournament, So you could win your conference

746
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: right and then get infected or or knocked out, Which

747
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: is why it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense

748
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: that we didn't just have conference play be a bubble

749
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: from the big conferences to begin with. Like, if everybody's

750
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: taking their classes online, why not just bubble it to

751
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: make sure that people get to play game? Make it

752
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: too much sense? Ralph, stop, stop, No, nobody wants to

753
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: hear your comment, we're gonna lose the n C Double

754
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 1: A tournament, trying to make sure that they didn't spend

755
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: too much money getting to the n C Double A tournament,

756
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: which is going to cost you more money at least.

757
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: A smart thing is they're having an n C Double

758
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: A tournament in one city, right, so what so what

759
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: people will just want like a two week break. I'm

760
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: trying to understand. They just okay, yeah, so so they're

761
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: gonna supposedly put a break in between so then they

762
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: can test teams, make sure everybody's good, and then you'll

763
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: be self bubble or you'll just get there two weeks early.

764
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. But but they're talking about bubbling the

765
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: whole tournament. Oh my gosh. But if you but if

766
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: you let one person in who has it, now, you

767
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 1: have destroyed the entire tournament. If I hate, I hate

768
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 1: everything about this. My least favorite thing in the entire

769
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 1: world is getting online and seeing what games got canceled

770
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: that day or postponed. I think the Arizona Coyotes are

771
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: playing seven games in a row against the same team. Yeah,

772
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: because seven in a row gets the same team. Do

773
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: you even have the game plan by the by the

774
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: fifth one? Are you like, no, now we do? What do?

775
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: What we did yesterday? That almost walked? Can you imagine

776
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: going on an Owen five streak but it's all against

777
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: the same team. Oh dude, that's hilarious. But that I

778
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: mean that these are the these are the links that

779
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: people are going to make sure that they preserve enough

780
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: of a season to be able to cash some checks.

781
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: And it just feels everything feels like forced but also

782
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: not thought through. Oh yeah, why why were we not

783
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: just assuming the worst this entire time and planning for that?

784
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 1: And I I don't know, man, it's it's been embarrassing. Yeah. Um,

785
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: final thing, you guys. Oh and here's the secret textoso

786
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: phone number eight one, eight to nine, seven, five four

787
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: or seven. That's eight one, eight two nine three seven

788
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 1: five four seven. You guys can text us. We will

789
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: get back with you. And that's gonna be our direct

790
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: line of communication to you guys when we have giveaways

791
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: and all sorts of free, free things. So make sure

792
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: you gotta share the podcast, don't share the phone number.

793
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: They gotta come in here to get it. That's just it. Um.

794
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: These message boards and myds I just had did for me.

795
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: This was just kind of a parting shot, okay, I

796
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: and you can comment on it, I message boards and

797
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: mys because there are some that are run like free,

798
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: free flowing exchange of ideas all of that. But then

799
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: some of these moths are heavy handed, like they don't

800
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: allow any negative criticism of the team. They'll boot you,

801
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: they'll kick you there, and I think that that's stupid

802
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: and its lane fans should be as long as they

803
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: are being abusive to each other, they should be able

804
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: to come on invent, be upset and say pretty much

805
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: whatever they want to pay their paying a subscription. But

806
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: now you're being heavy handed. Oh I didn't like that idea?

807
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: Oh they they said, are our information was shoddy on

808
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: this topic because it was. It's okay, and you've run

809
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: these sites before on rivals, So what do you have

810
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: to say for yourself and your peers. I feel like

811
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm a moderator. You'd be very mad at I don't.

812
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think I'm gonna keep the

813
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: peace person because I think that that like people talking

814
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Speaker 1: trash and being disagreeable as part of the fund, Like

815
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: people want that excitement and that action, and if they

816
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: don't want that kind of group, then they'll go to

817
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: one that that has less of it. People can kind

818
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: of pick and choose what it is they want and

819
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: as long as it doesn't get personal, and it almost

820
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: always does, so you have to step in and and

821
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: and let people know, like, hey, it's like you're you're

822
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: the one that took it a little bit too far.

823
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Speaker 1: So everybody has a step back from this or there's

824
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a consequence. You just have to kind of

825
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: manage it the same way. Yes, However, if I was

826
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Speaker 1: the one in charge of the forum and it was

827
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Speaker 1: people that were just going on and like calling me

828
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Speaker 1: an idiot and giving me five dollars a month to

829
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Speaker 1: like for the right to call me an idiot, I

830
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: would feel like I was contributing to my own uh

831
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Speaker 1: uh demise of mental health. Feel like somebody's allowed to

832
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Speaker 1: give me five dollars and punched me in the face.

833
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Speaker 1: I would be okay with that, just giving me the

834
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Speaker 1: five dollars. And I'm not. I'm not built like that.

835
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Speaker 1: So I get. I get the people who take it

836
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: personally and may operate a little heavy handed. That might

837
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Speaker 1: be the only way that they feel like they can

838
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: continue in this business with without going completely insane, because

839
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: you are pretty much a school bus driver when you

840
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: manage one of those forums. And I've had people. I'll

841
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: tell you probably my favorite forum is the Rivals caw

842
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: one because it's just super familial and everybody's always been

843
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: super cool to me in there. Um. I've had a

844
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Speaker 1: lot of experience and a lot of other forums maybe

845
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: under uh with an anonymity or maybe with a pseudonym

846
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: before I ever came on to work for Rivals um

847
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: that I would say that there are differently times when

848
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: I was part of the problem. Um, you know, I

849
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: had a moderator my my, my pastor of my church

850
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: was the moderator of our fantasy baseball league, and he

851
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: straight up kicked me act. So we've been in situations

852
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Speaker 1: like that. But I will say that as the manager

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Speaker 1: of a forum that, granted it's high school, I do

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Speaker 1: keep up, especially because you're they're talking about miners, and

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Speaker 1: never really want them to go into talking about other

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Speaker 1: people's key it's in a negative way. Nor do I

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Speaker 1: want them to talk negatively about like high school football journalists.

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Speaker 1: That seems weird. So I just I'm really heavy handed.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you'd like the way I run a forum.

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Speaker 1: Well it's okay you guys. Thank you guys for listening

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Speaker 1: to the fact well of a Fossils podcast. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time, appreciate your energy. You make sure you share

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Speaker 1: use the secret text so sold line as well. Catch

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Speaker 1: you guys next episode more. It been big stuff to

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Speaker 1: come mate. I don't know why I said that.