WEBVTT - Packard v. Packard, Pt. 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, the production

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<v Speaker 1>of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast. I'm Tracy Vie Wilson and I'm Holly Fry.

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<v Speaker 1>This is part two of our podcast on Packard Versus Packard,

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<v Speaker 1>which is when the awfulist Packard had his wife Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>institutionalized because in his words, she was insane. That was

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<v Speaker 1>not her opinion of it at all. Part one we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the early lives of the two of them

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<v Speaker 1>and how they had an apparently happy and functional marriage

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<v Speaker 1>for about fifteen years that crumbled and became abusive and

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<v Speaker 1>then he, as I just said, had her involuntarily committed. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to pick up with Elizabeth's time in

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<v Speaker 1>this hospital. First, we're gonna set a little context about

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<v Speaker 1>the state of mental health treatment in the nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of that's really horrifying. Some of this language, like

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<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't necessarily throw around the word insane to describe

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<v Speaker 1>a person today. Things like that, uh, super common language

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. And um, you can probably understand this

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<v Speaker 1>episode without having heard part one. Um, but part one

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<v Speaker 1>is really a lot of the detail of how we

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<v Speaker 1>got to this point. So before the late eighteenth and

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteenth century, people with serious mental health illnesses in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States and Europe were generally placed into facilities

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<v Speaker 1>commonly called lunatic asylums, and these asylums were not about treatment.

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<v Speaker 1>They were essentially prisons. Patients were often put into restraints

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<v Speaker 1>and left there with little in the way of comfort

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<v Speaker 1>or care, and sometimes they were actively abused by the

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<v Speaker 1>staff or others living in the facility, and some of

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<v Speaker 1>these asylums were also tourist attractions, with visitors coming to

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<v Speaker 1>gawk at the patients, and the United States that started

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<v Speaker 1>to shift in the late seventeen hundreds and early eighteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 1>The nation's first private mental hospital was the Asylum for

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<v Speaker 1>the Relief of Persons Deprived of the Use of their Reason,

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<v Speaker 1>also known as the Friends Hospital, which was opened by

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<v Speaker 1>Quakers in eighteen seventeen. The Friends Hospital focused on the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of moral treatment, which became the standard of care

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<v Speaker 1>and most mental hospitals by the middle of the nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>The basic idea had been put into practice by physician

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<v Speaker 1>William Took at an asylum called The Retreat in York, England,

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<v Speaker 1>which opened in seventeen ninety six. Over the late seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds and early eighteen hundreds, physicians in Britain and France

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<v Speaker 1>continued to refine the retreats methods. Moral treatment focused on

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that an asylum should treat its patients humanely,

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<v Speaker 1>with the institution acting almost like a stern and paternalistic guardian.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike these earlier lunatic asylums, patients weren't kept in restraints.

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<v Speaker 1>They were expected to live in a clean, orderly and

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<v Speaker 1>polite way and a strict and disciplined environment. Patients were

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<v Speaker 1>expected to do some chores around the building or the

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<v Speaker 1>grounds on a regular schedule to give them a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of purpose and to keep them on this predictable daily cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctors might also prescribe treatments along a more medical model,

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<v Speaker 1>including drugs, hydrotherapy, exercise, things like that. In a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ways, this was a big step forward from what

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<v Speaker 1>was common in lunatic asylums, but it turned out to

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<v Speaker 1>be hard to carry out in practice. Moral treatment was

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<v Speaker 1>only helpful for a relatively small number of patients. A

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<v Speaker 1>person who was mostly exhausted and stressed and needed time

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<v Speaker 1>to recuperate might leave the hospital feeling like their treatment

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<v Speaker 1>had cured them. But for many mental illnesses this just

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<v Speaker 1>was not the case. A patient with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder,

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<v Speaker 1>or depression or any number of other mental illnesses might

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<v Speaker 1>be helped to a degree by the predictable daily routine

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<v Speaker 1>in a calm and ordered setting, but moral treatment really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't address the illness itself. Also, many of the people

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<v Speaker 1>who wound up in these hospitals didn't have a mental illness.

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<v Speaker 1>The field of psychiatry was really in its infancy without

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<v Speaker 1>a clear sense of what was or wasn't a mental illness.

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<v Speaker 1>So people with drug and alcohol addictions, developmental disabilities, and epilepsy,

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of other conditions wound up in mental hospitals,

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<v Speaker 1>and so did people who just weren't behaving as their

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<v Speaker 1>families or society expected them to. There weren't many of

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<v Speaker 1>these private hospitals at first. They were mostly in more

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<v Speaker 1>affluent areas and available to wealthier people, so most people

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<v Speaker 1>with mental illnesses that kept them from being able to

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<v Speaker 1>function in society were kept out of sight at home,

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<v Speaker 1>or if their families couldn't or wouldn't care for them,

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<v Speaker 1>they wound up in alms houses or even prisons. Care

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<v Speaker 1>Typically was not good in any of these scenarios. People

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<v Speaker 1>caring for family members at home might have good and

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<v Speaker 1>loving intentions, but there was so much stigma surrounding mental

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<v Speaker 1>illness and ideas that they were brought on by things

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<v Speaker 1>like possession, and a lot of different explanations for mental

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<v Speaker 1>illnesses that didn't amount to an illness, um that people

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<v Speaker 1>caring for family members were just as likely to be

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<v Speaker 1>abusive or neglectful. Prisons and alms houses were brutal and

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<v Speaker 1>degrading in general, and then on top of that, they

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<v Speaker 1>just were not equipped to handle the behaviors that came

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<v Speaker 1>along with untreated mental illnesses. This all started to shift

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighteen forties and fifties as reformers like Dorothea

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<v Speaker 1>Dix advocated for state funded asylums and better care within

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<v Speaker 1>those asylums. Most of these newly built asylums followed the

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<v Speaker 1>moral care model, and some existing state hospitals began using

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<v Speaker 1>it as well. New asylum buildings were typically designed according

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<v Speaker 1>to the Kirkbride Plan, developed by Dr Thomas Story Kirkbride.

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<v Speaker 1>They were divided into symmetrical wings and wards with lots

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<v Speaker 1>of fresh air and natural light. Reformers also advocated for

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that people with mental illnesses needed to be

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<v Speaker 1>cared for rather than simply locked away. But it turned

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<v Speaker 1>out that implementing the moral care model at all these

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<v Speaker 1>newly open hospitals could be really difficult. As the public

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<v Speaker 1>started to think of mental illness as something that required

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<v Speaker 1>treatment at a hospital, admissions skyrocketed in hospitals quickly became overcrowded.

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<v Speaker 1>They went from clean and orderly and calm to unsanitary. Understaffed,

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<v Speaker 1>and chaotic waves of immigration to the United States meant

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<v Speaker 1>that sometimes patients didn't speak the same language as the

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<v Speaker 1>doctors of the staff. Staff turnover tended to be very high,

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<v Speaker 1>and hospitals were often run by boards of trustees who

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<v Speaker 1>might be more focused on politics than on care. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of these boards also had a reputation for being corrupt,

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<v Speaker 1>and even though the medical field was beginning to think

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<v Speaker 1>of mental illness as a treatable illness rather than a

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<v Speaker 1>personal moral failing, there was still a lot of stigma

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<v Speaker 1>and a perception that it was up to patients to

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<v Speaker 1>get better. If a patient wasn't improving, doctors and staff

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<v Speaker 1>often concluded that they weren't trying, or that they were

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<v Speaker 1>willfully refusing to get better. So it was common for

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<v Speaker 1>patients to be cared for by undertrained, frustrated staff who

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<v Speaker 1>thought that these people in their care were simply being obstinate.

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<v Speaker 1>Abuse and cruelty continued to be commonplace, even in hospitals

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<v Speaker 1>that were theoretically following the moral treatment model. Are also,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, a number of medical treatments that were going

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<v Speaker 1>on that were super questionable by today's standards. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a state of mental health care in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>When Elizabeth Packard was hospitalized, it was improving over what

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<v Speaker 1>it had been, but it still had a really long

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<v Speaker 1>way to go. We will get to her time in

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital after a sponsor break. When Elizabeth Packard was

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<v Speaker 1>admitted at the Illinois State Asylum and Hospital for the Insane,

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<v Speaker 1>it's superintendent was Dr Andrew McFarland of New Hampshire. He

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<v Speaker 1>was at the top of his field. He was part

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<v Speaker 1>of the first wave of people to join the Association

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<v Speaker 1>of Medical Superintendence of American Institutions for the Same or

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<v Speaker 1>the a M s a i I, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>precursor to the American Psychiatric Association. In eighteen sixty he

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<v Speaker 1>was its president. He had tried to hand in his resignation,

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<v Speaker 1>citing a serious illness in the family, and when he

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<v Speaker 1>tried to do that, the association had declined Elizabeth's admission.

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<v Speaker 1>Note read quote June eighteen sixty Elizabeth P. Packard, Kankakee County, married,

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<v Speaker 1>aged forty four, native of Massachusetts in this state three

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<v Speaker 1>years slightly insane for two years. Was in Wooster Hospital

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five years ago. Present attack more decided the past

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<v Speaker 1>four months. Supposed cause is excessive application of body and mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Reverend Theophilist Packard McFarland's diagnosis was moral insanity with monomania.

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<v Speaker 1>Moral insanity was an accepted diagnosis through most of the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century. In eighteen thirty five, R. J. C. Pritcher

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<v Speaker 1>described it this way quote, there is a form of

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<v Speaker 1>mental derangement in which the intellectual facult tease are uninjured,

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<v Speaker 1>while the disorder is manifested principally or alone in the

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<v Speaker 1>state of feelings, temper, or habits. The moral principles of

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<v Speaker 1>the mind are depraved or perverted, the power of self

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<v Speaker 1>government is lost or greatly impaired, and the individual is

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<v Speaker 1>incapable of conducting himself with decency and propriety in the

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<v Speaker 1>business of life. Monomania was another nineteenth century diagnosis, and

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<v Speaker 1>as its name suggests, it was a mania connected to

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<v Speaker 1>one specific thing, and in Elizabeth's case, that was religion.

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<v Speaker 1>Dr McFarland seems to have genuinely believed that Elizabeth was

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<v Speaker 1>mentally ill and that his diagnosis was the correct one.

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<v Speaker 1>Her husband, too, seems to have genuinely thought that his

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<v Speaker 1>wife was, in his word, insane. For her part, Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>believed these two men were conspiring to imprison her for

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<v Speaker 1>her religious views and her refusal to be totally subservient

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<v Speaker 1>to her husband. Meanwhile, both her doctor and her husband

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<v Speaker 1>believed that these religious views and her lack of subser

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<v Speaker 1>armance were evidence of her mental illness. Elizabeth described it

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<v Speaker 1>this way, quote in my first struggle after my independence,

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<v Speaker 1>I lost my personal liberty sad beginning, had it not

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<v Speaker 1>been better for me to submit to oppression and spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>bondage rather than have attempted to break the fetters of

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<v Speaker 1>marital and religious despotism. No, I cannot feel that I

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<v Speaker 1>have done either for myself for others the least wrong

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<v Speaker 1>in the course I have thus far taken. Therefore, I

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<v Speaker 1>have no recantations to make, and can give no pledge

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<v Speaker 1>of further subjection to either of these powers, where their

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<v Speaker 1>claims demand the surrender of my conscience to their dictation.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is what they call my insanity, and for

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<v Speaker 1>which I was sent to the asylum to be cured.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it will be a long time before this

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<v Speaker 1>cure will be affected. At the start of her hospitalization,

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth thought that Dr McFarland already believes her to be saying,

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<v Speaker 1>or that he would come around that opinion in short order.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very obvious to her that she was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>and she thought that it would soon be obvious to

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<v Speaker 1>him as well. So for about four months she was

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<v Speaker 1>in a bright, airy ward with a lot of freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>and she felt like she was being treated more like

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<v Speaker 1>a guest than like a patient. In those first months

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<v Speaker 1>in the hospital, Elizabeth wrote a document praising the doctor

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<v Speaker 1>and encouraging him to release her. He ignored it, and

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth realized that he did not believe that she was sane,

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<v Speaker 1>so she started actively advocating for herself and her release.

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<v Speaker 1>Her oldest son came to visit her without his father's permission,

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<v Speaker 1>but couldn't secure her release because he was not twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one years old. Friends tried to get a rid of

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<v Speaker 1>habeas corpus, but they were told that because she was married,

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<v Speaker 1>that had to come from her husband. After Elizabeth wrote

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<v Speaker 1>up a second document, which was scathing in its opinions

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<v Speaker 1>of the hospital and its superintendent, she was transferred to

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<v Speaker 1>another ward, a much less nice ward which was home

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<v Speaker 1>to patients whose illnesses just couldn't be treated with fresh

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<v Speaker 1>air and an orderly schedule. She found the conditions they're filthy,

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<v Speaker 1>and its staff cruel, and its patients uncared for. When

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<v Speaker 1>patients had visitors, she would tell their families about cruelty

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<v Speaker 1>she had witnessed in the hospital. She started cleaning the

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<v Speaker 1>entire ward herself and organizing the other patients in protesting

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<v Speaker 1>their conditions. This included an ongoing campaign to destroy ordinary

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<v Speaker 1>hospital property like bed linens and brooms. Elizabeth was eventually

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<v Speaker 1>transferred out of this ward and given a private room

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<v Speaker 1>to keep her from influencing the other patients, and Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>met Dorothea Dix. When Dix visited in eighteen sixty one,

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth called her quote a Christian although honestly and conscientiously

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<v Speaker 1>wrong in sustaining our present system of insane asylums. Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>admired Dix's compassion and her advocacy for the compassionate care

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<v Speaker 1>of asylum patients, but thought she was simply wrong in

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<v Speaker 1>her belief that there needed to be a robust system

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<v Speaker 1>of asylums in the first place. Elizabeth thought most people

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<v Speaker 1>who were committed didn't need to be and that working

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<v Speaker 1>to build more asylums was Dama Jane. Throughout all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>Dr McFarland was updating the Offulist with reports about his

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<v Speaker 1>wife's condition. That Elizabeth's religious views were unchanged, that she

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<v Speaker 1>was unrepentant in her refusal to be submissive to her husband,

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<v Speaker 1>that she was inspiring restlessness and insubordination among the other patients.

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<v Speaker 1>He also told the Offulist that Elizabeth had lost all

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<v Speaker 1>of her marital and maternal instinct, even as Elizabeth's own

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<v Speaker 1>writing reveals that she was really grieving over the separation

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<v Speaker 1>from her children and the strain that all of this

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<v Speaker 1>was putting on them. She was especially distressed at the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that her daughter Libby was going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>bear all the burdens of running this household. During Elizabeth's hospitalization,

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<v Speaker 1>Libby was between the ages of ten and twelve years old.

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<v Speaker 1>In September of eighteen sixty two, Elizabeth was summoned to

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<v Speaker 1>appear before the hospital's board of trustees after months of

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<v Speaker 1>petitioning for release. She read a document that denounced Calvinism,

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<v Speaker 1>explaining her own beliefs and I she refused to raise

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<v Speaker 1>her children according to their father's religious views. Dr McFarland

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<v Speaker 1>had screened this document ahead of time, and it began quote, gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 1>I am accused of teaching my children doctrines ruinous in

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<v Speaker 1>their tendency, and such as alienate them from their father.

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<v Speaker 1>I reply that my teachings and practice both are ruinous

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<v Speaker 1>to Satan's cause and do alienate my children from Satanic influences.

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<v Speaker 1>I teach Christianity, my husband teaches Calvinism. They are antagonistic

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<v Speaker 1>systems and uphold antagonistic authorities. Christianity upholds God's authority, Calvinism

0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.840
<v Speaker 1>the devil's authority. But then she went on to Rita's

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<v Speaker 1>second document, one that the doctor had not approved ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of time, in which she accused her husband and the

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<v Speaker 1>doctor of conspiring against her. Then detailed a range of

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<v Speaker 1>injustices and indignities that she had witnessed at the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>Having done all that, Though she asked them not to

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<v Speaker 1>release her, divorce was out of the question. From Theophilus's

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<v Speaker 1>point of view, Elizabeth did not think that she would

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<v Speaker 1>be safe with him. She also realized that her father

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<v Speaker 1>and brothers did not have the means to support her,

0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:11.280
<v Speaker 1>so she needed to figure out how she might support herself.

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<v Speaker 1>She planned to spend the rest of her time in

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital writing a book. Her husband and her doctor

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<v Speaker 1>had been on the same page about her care until

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<v Speaker 1>this point, and this is where they started to diverge.

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<v Speaker 1>Dr McFarland pressed the trustees to discharge Elizabeth because of

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<v Speaker 1>how much trouble she was causing him. Meanwhile, the awfulist

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<v Speaker 1>pressed them to keep her there because he had no

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<v Speaker 1>other plan to take care of her. After this meeting,

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<v Speaker 1>Dr McFarland told Elizabeth that he would help her get

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<v Speaker 1>her book published, probably because he thought doing so would

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<v Speaker 1>get her out of his hospital faster. But then she

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<v Speaker 1>finished the book and it wasn't something he could support publishing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was disjointed and rambley, and a lot of it

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<v Speaker 1>was focused on his backstory. He told her he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>help her after all, and in a desperate effort to

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<v Speaker 1>get him to change his mind, Elizabeth wrote him a

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<v Speaker 1>love letter, a fusive praising him and essentially calling him

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<v Speaker 1>her soul mate. Finally, the hospital trustees gave the awful

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<v Speaker 1>is three months notice that they would be discharging his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Dr McFarland said this was because she was incurable and

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<v Speaker 1>because of the quote amount of trouble which Mrs Packard

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<v Speaker 1>causes us and the disastrous influence which she exerts onto

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<v Speaker 1>other patients. Elizabeth was released on June eighth, eighteen sixty three,

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<v Speaker 1>and for a time she stayed with a relative. Then

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<v Speaker 1>she went back to Mantino to try to get custody

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<v Speaker 1>of her children. In Elizabeth's account, when she got back

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<v Speaker 1>to Mantino, her husband kept her locked in the nursery

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<v Speaker 1>with the windows nailed shut. In his account, she was

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<v Speaker 1>free to come and go regardless, Elizabeth wrote a letter

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<v Speaker 1>and slipped it under the window to a passer by.

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<v Speaker 1>A friend ultimately got that letter to Judge Charles Starr,

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<v Speaker 1>who secured a writ of habeas corpus. Since Elizabeth was

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<v Speaker 1>no longer institutionalized but was locked in her home this time,

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<v Speaker 1>her husband did not have to be involved. A court

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<v Speaker 1>date was set for trial to determine whether she was

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<v Speaker 1>saying that. Trial started on January twelfth, eighteen sixty four,

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<v Speaker 1>and went on for five days. Unfortunately, we can't read

0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.359
<v Speaker 1>testimony from it because there's records have been lost. But

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<v Speaker 1>people did hear from doctors and friends and family members

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<v Speaker 1>and community members, some of whom said Elizabeth was mentally

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<v Speaker 1>ill and others of whom did not. In the end,

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<v Speaker 1>on January eighteenth, eighteen sixty four, the jury ruled that

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<v Speaker 1>she was saying. The awful List said the trial was

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<v Speaker 1>a quote reign of mobocracy, insult, partiality, prejudice injustice, and malignity.

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<v Speaker 1>On the day of the verdict, he packed up their

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<v Speaker 1>minor children and their belongings and went back to Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 1>This left Elizabeth without her children, with nowhere to live

0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:47.360
<v Speaker 1>and no way to support herself. She sued for divorce,

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<v Speaker 1>but since the awful Ist had already left the state,

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<v Speaker 1>the county clerk said he could not be found, and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually she just let the matter drop. We'll get to

0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.800
<v Speaker 1>her life after this, including her years of work to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure the same thing couldn't happen to other women.

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<v Speaker 1>After a sponsor break, after her husband moved back to

0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Massachusetts with their youngest children. Elizabeth Packard returned to the

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<v Speaker 1>idea she'd had in the hospital, and that was of

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<v Speaker 1>supporting herself through writing. She started revising material that she

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<v Speaker 1>had started in the hospital. Her first published book was

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<v Speaker 1>called Exposure on board the Atlantic and Pacific Car of

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<v Speaker 1>Emancipation for the Slaves of Old Columbia engineered by the

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<v Speaker 1>Lightning Express or Christianity and Calvinism, compared with an Appeal

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<v Speaker 1>to the Government to emancipate the Slaves of the Marriage Union.

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<v Speaker 1>That was followed by quote edited by a slave now

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<v Speaker 1>imprisoned in Jacksonville Insane Asylum, placed there by her husband

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<v Speaker 1>for thinking and all capital letters, written under the inspection

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<v Speaker 1>of Dr McFarland, Superintendent of Insane Asylum, Jacksonville. She used

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of slavery imagery in her writing. Unsurprisingly it

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<v Speaker 1>was like eighteen sixty three. This was the first of

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<v Speaker 1>seven books and numerous pamphlets that she wrote over the

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<v Speaker 1>next sixteen years, which did turn out to be enough

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<v Speaker 1>for her to support herself. Asylum narratives had become a

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<v Speaker 1>popular genre. These were sensational first person accounts of people

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<v Speaker 1>who had been institutionalized. They were part memoir and part

0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.320
<v Speaker 1>expos a intended to resonate with fans of the Gothic

0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:26.000
<v Speaker 1>fiction that was popular at the time. Elizabeth's goal was

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<v Speaker 1>both to support herself and encourage reform to the asylum system.

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<v Speaker 1>We should note that also makes it hard to figure out,

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<v Speaker 1>like exactly what the truth is to the accounts, because

0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.560
<v Speaker 1>she was writing them to sell books when very sensational

0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.240
<v Speaker 1>accounts were pretty typical, and she was also trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get people to change the law, and then once again,

0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:49.159
<v Speaker 1>very sensational accounts could work toward that end. Also, that

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<v Speaker 1>makes a little tricky to figure out, like exactly what

0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:56.359
<v Speaker 1>the details were. But that's just some background. She also

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<v Speaker 1>got to work lobbying legislators to pass laws to keep

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<v Speaker 1>what had happened to her from happening to other women.

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<v Speaker 1>She often drafted these bills herself and lobbied lawmakers personally

0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.040
<v Speaker 1>to get them introduced and past. Some of her bills

0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.080
<v Speaker 1>were focused on the rights of married women, like the

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<v Speaker 1>right for a woman to have full custody of her

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<v Speaker 1>children after a divorce, rather than her husband just having

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<v Speaker 1>that custody by default. There was also the right for

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<v Speaker 1>a married woman to keep all the money she earned

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<v Speaker 1>rather than it going to her husband again by default.

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<v Speaker 1>Both of these were issues that directly affected her. When

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<v Speaker 1>her husband had left with her children, she had no recourse,

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<v Speaker 1>and when she started publishing books, she wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to keep all the money she earned. She also

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<v Speaker 1>worked on bills relating to patient rights. She had observed

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<v Speaker 1>that a person accused of a crime was guaranteed rights

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<v Speaker 1>to counsel and do process, but in most states, a

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<v Speaker 1>person who had a mental illness had none of that

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<v Speaker 1>and might be committed without any kind of hearing. This

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<v Speaker 1>also meant that people who weren't mentally ill could be

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<v Speaker 1>wrongly committed, so she lobbied for bills that required a

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<v Speaker 1>trial before a person was committed to an asylum or hospital.

0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth also drafted bills relating to the rights of patients

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<v Speaker 1>and mental hospitals. When she was hospitalized, the mail was

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<v Speaker 1>often censored or withheld from patients, so she drafted bills

0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:16.640
<v Speaker 1>that guaranteed patients free and uncensored access to their mail.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen sixty five, following her advocacy, Illinois passed a

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<v Speaker 1>personal liberty bill requiring a trial for any person being committed,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they were married or not, ending the ability for

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<v Speaker 1>husbands to have their wives committed without a trial. The

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<v Speaker 1>legislature passed this unanimously. A later amendment made this retroactive,

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<v Speaker 1>so that people who had been admitted before eighteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>five were still entitled to a trial. Not long after,

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<v Speaker 1>an investigating committee was convened to examine allegations of abuse

0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:50.480
<v Speaker 1>at the Illinois Hospital for the Insane, including Elizabeth's accounts.

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth was called to testify, with questioning going on for

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<v Speaker 1>about six hours. At the very end of that day,

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<v Speaker 1>that love letter that she had written to Dr McFarland

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<v Speaker 1>was introduced as evidence to try to undermine her believability.

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<v Speaker 1>Because she had been on the stand for so long,

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<v Speaker 1>the commission allowed her to respond to that the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>and when she did, she explained what we said earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>that it had been a desperate effort to flatter him

0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:16.600
<v Speaker 1>and get him to help her publish her book. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>the committee found numerous examples of cruelty toward patients at

0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:24.000
<v Speaker 1>the hospital, as well as evidence that McFarland had misclassified

0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:28.040
<v Speaker 1>patients housing people with minor treatable conditions with patients who

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<v Speaker 1>were disruptive and violent. Although the commission recommended that McFarland

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<v Speaker 1>be dismissed, the city of Jacksonville and the hospital's board

0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:39.680
<v Speaker 1>of trustees stood by him. He eventually resigned on November

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty eight, while continuing to have a career in

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<v Speaker 1>mental health. Elizabeth kept up her lobbying through all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and through a very bitter, very public three way dispute

0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:54.320
<v Speaker 1>among herself, her husband, and her former doctor. Every time

0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:59.000
<v Speaker 1>she proposed new legislation, McFarland publicly raised questions about her

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<v Speaker 1>mental health. The Offulis was also publicly disparaging of her,

0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:08.000
<v Speaker 1>and she of him. This whole situation was unsurprisingly extremely

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:12.640
<v Speaker 1>hard on their children. When the Afulis first had Elizabeth's institutionalized,

0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the children mostly sided with her. Then, after three years

0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:18.960
<v Speaker 1>with their father, they believed that he had been right

0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:23.360
<v Speaker 1>about their mother's mental state. Sometime after being reunited with her,

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<v Speaker 1>most of them supported her side of the story again,

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<v Speaker 1>and this went back and forth repeatedly as they were

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<v Speaker 1>with one parent or the other, or had their own

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<v Speaker 1>issues going on with their personal lives and their relationships

0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 1>to the rest of the family. The increasingly acrimonious relationship

0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:43.080
<v Speaker 1>between Elizabeth and the Aflis affected them as well. Libby

0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Packard in particular struggled with her own mental health and

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<v Speaker 1>possibly an eating disorder for much of her life, almost

0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:54.280
<v Speaker 1>certainly exacerbated by their stressful and chaotic family situation. She

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately died in the Illinois Eastern Hospital for the Insane

0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:01.119
<v Speaker 1>in eighteen sixty nine. Elizabeth got a home in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>where her oldest children already lived. Soon after, she learned

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<v Speaker 1>that Massachusetts had passed a law giving mothers equal rights

0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 1>to custody. She filed a petition to seek custody of

0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:15.080
<v Speaker 1>her three youngest children, and the awfulist didn't contest it.

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<v Speaker 1>By this point, he really didn't have a good way

0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:20.680
<v Speaker 1>to support himself or the children. He could not really

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<v Speaker 1>find a congregation for his very conservative Calvinism anymore, and

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<v Speaker 1>in light of Elizabeth's books and varied public testimony and

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing advocacy, a lot of people believed that he had

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<v Speaker 1>maliciously imprisoned his wife and did not, as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>want him to be their preacher. Elizabeth, for her part,

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<v Speaker 1>lived a mostly comfortable life in Chicago until the Great

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago Fire, spending more time with her children and less

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<v Speaker 1>on her bills and advocacy. The fire destroyed her stock

0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:49.160
<v Speaker 1>of books and the plates used to print them, which

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<v Speaker 1>temporarily left her without a way to earn a living.

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<v Speaker 1>She was eventually able to get set up with a

0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:57.760
<v Speaker 1>new publisher in New York, but then another fire destroyed

0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:00.760
<v Speaker 1>much of her stock there as well. This time she

0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:03.240
<v Speaker 1>was insured, though, so she had some money to live

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<v Speaker 1>on while she started again. By eighteen seventy two, she

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<v Speaker 1>only had one child left at home, and she started

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<v Speaker 1>more aggressively taking up these causes, traveling from state to

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 1>state advocating for bills to protect patient rights and the

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:20.280
<v Speaker 1>rights of married women. Iowa passed legislation known as Packard's

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<v Speaker 1>Law that year. This law established visiting committees, which had

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<v Speaker 1>to include at least one woman, to inspect asylums in

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<v Speaker 1>that state. These committees were authorized to fire abusive employees.

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<v Speaker 1>Their contact information had to be posted in every word

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 1>of the hospital, and hospitals were also required to inform

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<v Speaker 1>patients of their right to contact the committee about their concerns.

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<v Speaker 1>This law also outlawed the censorship or the withholding of

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<v Speaker 1>patients mail, and it required a coroner's inquest if a

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 1>patient mysteriously died. This bill faced a lot of resistance

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<v Speaker 1>from Iowa's hospitals and from the Association of Medical Superintendence

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:03.879
<v Speaker 1>of American Institutions for the Insane. As Elizabeth started campaigning

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<v Speaker 1>state by state to try to get similar measures passed elsewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>the A M S A I I embarked on what

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<v Speaker 1>it called the Project of the Law to try to

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<v Speaker 1>block as many of these bills as they could. They

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<v Speaker 1>thought these bills made it harder for the hospitals to

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<v Speaker 1>subdue patients, and they worried about how their work was

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:25.360
<v Speaker 1>damaging the reputation of the entire field. Yeah, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that the M A M. S AI I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>patients needed to be subdued caused Elizabeth Packard a great

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<v Speaker 1>amount of outrage. She campaigned through New York and New

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<v Speaker 1>England and then on to other parts of the country,

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<v Speaker 1>facing character assassination by the A M. S AI and

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<v Speaker 1>by her husband everywhere she went. In spite of that,

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<v Speaker 1>she tended to be very effective. I mean, she wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>always successful. She introduced plenty of bills that didn't ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>get passed, but in the words of a Massachusetts legislator quote,

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<v Speaker 1>we passed the bill because we could not do otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>For Mrs Packard was so very persistent, we could not

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<v Speaker 1>bluff her off. She also went to Washington, d c.

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<v Speaker 1>And lobbied President Ulysses S. Grant for a bill to

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<v Speaker 1>protect the right of patients in asylums to get their

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<v Speaker 1>mail without censorship or surveillance. Although Grant agreed that such

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<v Speaker 1>a law was needed, that bill did not ultimately pass.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of Elizabeth Packard's life, more than thirty

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<v Speaker 1>bills had been passed to protect the rights of married

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<v Speaker 1>women or of psychiatric patients. Some of these came from

0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:28.520
<v Speaker 1>her direct advocacy, and others came from the widespread nudes

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:31.960
<v Speaker 1>coverage of her work and her story. In eighteen seventy five,

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Todd Lincoln went through a widely publicized insanity trial.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the doctors who examined her was Dr McFarland,

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<v Speaker 1>and many reports noted that the laws governing her trial

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<v Speaker 1>were very strict because of Elizabeth Packard's advocacy. At the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, this trial revealed that it was still possible

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<v Speaker 1>for someone to skirt the law to have someone else committed.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Todd Lincoln's son informed her of the upcoming trial

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<v Speaker 1>at the last minute, and then appointed an attorney who

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<v Speaker 1>was in favor of committing her to represent her. In

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy eight, Elizabeth Packard published The Great Drama, which

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<v Speaker 1>was four volumes long, that is sixteen hundred pages. It

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<v Speaker 1>was written during her last month in the asylum, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's very scattered and chaotic. I mean, we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>Dr McFarland saying that he couldn't help her get it published.

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<v Speaker 1>It was full of references to spiritualism and personal visions

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<v Speaker 1>that she had connected to the idea of spiritualism. These

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<v Speaker 1>were things that she had distanced herself from an earlier

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<v Speaker 1>published writing. It's clear from the text itself that being

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<v Speaker 1>in the asylum for three years had taken a mental

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<v Speaker 1>and emotional toll on her, But it also seems like

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<v Speaker 1>at this point she had established enough of her name

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<v Speaker 1>for herself that she didn't think it was gonna hurt

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:49.080
<v Speaker 1>her if she made all of these thoughts public. The

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<v Speaker 1>Awful Ist Packard died in eighteen eighty five, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew McFarland died in November of eight Elizabeth's writing doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>reveal her thoughts or feelings about either of these deaths.

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<v Speaker 1>She was, by all appearances, continuing to lobby for bills

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<v Speaker 1>to protect women and people with mental illness throughout all

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Elizabeth Packard died on July at the age

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<v Speaker 1>of eighty after surgery on a strangulated hernia. Her legacy

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<v Speaker 1>is a little bit complicated. It's clear that in her

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<v Speaker 1>own mind she was mentally well for all of her

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<v Speaker 1>adult life. Some of her writing, though, is chaotic and

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<v Speaker 1>disordered in a way that it suggests she might have

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<v Speaker 1>had some kind of underlying condition, although not necessarily one

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<v Speaker 1>that would have required her to be hospitalized against her will.

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<v Speaker 1>Or this could have been totally situational, just stemming from

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<v Speaker 1>this combination of social expectations and her deteriorating relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>her husband, and the hospitalization itself, and just all the

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 1>stress that came along with all of that. And there

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<v Speaker 1>are also questions about whether the laws she was drafting

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<v Speaker 1>really were what was best for patients. It is clear

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<v Speaker 1>that before she lived, it was far too easy for

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<v Speaker 1>people to have family members committed, especial lee for husbands

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 1>to commit their wives. But what's less clear is whether

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<v Speaker 1>a requirement for a jury trial is the best way

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<v Speaker 1>to protect a person's rights. Many of the laws that

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Packard worked on were later revised to protect patient privacy

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<v Speaker 1>during these trials, or to require some other assessment process

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>rather than a trial before being admitted to an impatient facility. Regardless,

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<v Speaker 1>though the laws definitely offered more protection than had existed before,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's ultimately true that those were the right protections

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<v Speaker 1>or not. Yeah, that's a stressful one because you find

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 1>yourself getting raged up about people involved in Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like when we talked about all the moral

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<v Speaker 1>treatment stuff in Part one, Like, I've dealt with anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>for a lot of my life, and there have definitely

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<v Speaker 1>been times when, like the situation I was in was

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<v Speaker 1>exacerbating that, and the idea of being in an airy

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<v Speaker 1>ward with lots of fresh air and a predictable routine,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's sounds amazing, But I wouldn't have come out

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<v Speaker 1>of that experience with the underlying anxiety addressed at all. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, I mean it's it's a continually evolving field

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<v Speaker 1>as well, like the study of mental health, So who

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<v Speaker 1>knows where we'll be in fifty years and if we'll

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<v Speaker 1>look back on how we address various things in today's

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 1>time looks completely archaic and not sufficient in its own right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>totally got some listener mail I do it is from Sophie.

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<v Speaker 1>Sophie says Hi, Tracy and Holly. I just finished listening

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<v Speaker 1>to your episode about Julia Sand and Chester Arthur, and

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<v Speaker 1>it brought up a lot of good memories for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I got my undergraduate degree and ended up minoring in

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<v Speaker 1>theater arts from the time I spent playwriting and stage managing.

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<v Speaker 1>My first experience in the theater department was as an

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<v Speaker 1>assistant stage manager for a play about Julia Sand. It

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<v Speaker 1>was called Great Emergencies, and it was written by one

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<v Speaker 1>of the graduate student playwrights, Sean de Mayor. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure how to say that person's name. I'm sorry if

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<v Speaker 1>I have banged it. The play incorporated a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Julia's letters into the dialogue, at times staging her as

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<v Speaker 1>sitting at the table with President Arthur's advisers to show

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<v Speaker 1>the influence her advice had on his decisions. The play

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<v Speaker 1>also dramatized Arthur's relationship and ultimate falling out with Roscoe

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<v Speaker 1>Conkling in the Stalwarts, and included a hilariously awkward portrayal

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<v Speaker 1>of the day Arthur visited Sand's home. Apparently, she was

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<v Speaker 1>so caught off guard that her first instinct was to

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<v Speaker 1>try to hide behind the curtains. I remember finding it

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<v Speaker 1>amusing how similar the political issues of the time were

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<v Speaker 1>to us today, extreme partisan politics, racist immigration policies. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also impossible to avoid admiring Sand for taking the initiative

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<v Speaker 1>and using her voice as a writer and political junkie,

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<v Speaker 1>as you put it, to make a difference in the

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<v Speaker 1>world when she had no way of knowing that anything

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 1>would come of it. The play ended on a rather

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<v Speaker 1>sad note, with an imaginary conversation between Sand and Arthur's ghost,

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<v Speaker 1>who tells her that he's going to have all of

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<v Speaker 1>his papers burned, leaving her with the impression that her

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<v Speaker 1>letters will be burned with them, so nobody will ever

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<v Speaker 1>know who she was or what she did. I can

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<v Speaker 1>only assume that her ghost would be pleased to know

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<v Speaker 1>that through this podcast, you were uplifting her and so

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<v Speaker 1>many other forgotten voices in history. Hopefully these stories will

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<v Speaker 1>inspire others to put their voices to use to even

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<v Speaker 1>when it seems the world will not listen. Keep doing

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing best, Sophie Thank you so much Sophie

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<v Speaker 1>for this awesome letter. I love hearing about this play

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<v Speaker 1>as a former theater kid especially, and I also love

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<v Speaker 1>Julius san Still if you would like to write to

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