1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: I was donkey up to day. Damn heg it, donkey. 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: I me ain't trying to be donkey today no more. 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 3: They should be embarrassed by what they already did. I'm 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 3: not making these people do these days. 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 4: It's called donkey of the day and it really caught 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 4: me off guard. Damn Charlamagne, who got the donkey out 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 4: the day today? 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: Wow? 9 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 3: Donkey today for Tuesday, May twenty third goes to Daniel Penny. 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: If the name sounds familiar, but not really. 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 3: Daniel Penny is the man charged with second degree man 12 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 3: slaughter in the video recorded subway killing of Jordan Neely 13 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 3: earlier this month. Rest in peace to Jordan Neely. Now, look, 14 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 3: everyone is innocent until proven guilty. All right, did Daniel 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: Penny kill Jordan Neely? Yes, we saw that on video. It' 16 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 3: stup to a court a law to determine whether or 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 3: not what he did was a criminal act. 18 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: All right, don't be mad at me. That's just the 19 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: way the law works. 20 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: So in a situation like this, uh, you know, I 21 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: see it, I mind my business, wait for the facts 22 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: to come out. But Daniel Penny gave his first interview 23 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: with The New York and I would never understand why 24 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: it's so hard. 25 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: For people to just shut the f up. 26 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: Okay, maybe it's the caucasidy, maybe it's the unmelanated gaul. 27 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 3: I don't know what it is that makes someone who 28 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 3: has just killed a man in front of the whole 29 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 3: world on video feel like they have to have a 30 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 3: conversation about it. 31 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: And if you're going to have a conversation about. 32 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 3: It, show some empathy for the family and the life 33 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: you took, show some remorse. But Nope, nobody clearly prepped 34 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 3: Daniel Penny on how to do any of those things. 35 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 3: And maybe they don't have to because in the eyes 36 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 3: of America, this might be an easy call. Daniel Penny, 37 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: white male military veteran hero saving people from Jordan, nearly 38 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: black mail, threatening mental health issues. 39 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, we see the narrative that's being painted. 40 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 3: And another narrative that's being painted is that Daniel Penny 41 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: is a racist, And in this interview with The New 42 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 3: York Post, he pushed back on the notion that he 43 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: is indeed a white supremacist. 44 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: Let's go to Fox News for the report place. 45 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 5: The marine veteran accused in the choke hold death of 46 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 5: a homeless subway rider breaks his silence. Daniel Penny addressing 47 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 5: the incident on the subway to that that now has 48 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 5: him facing second degree manslaughter charges, telling the New York 49 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 5: Post quote, this had nothing to do with race. I 50 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 5: judge a person based on their character. I'm not a 51 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 5: white supremacist. I mean it's a little bit comical. Everybody 52 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 5: who's ever met me can tell you I love all people. 53 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 5: I love all cultures. You can tell by my past 54 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 5: and all of my travels and adventures around the world. 55 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 5: I was actually planning a road trip through Africa before 56 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 5: this happened. 57 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: Daniel, your penny got a hole in it. Okay, you 58 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: sound hopeless. Word to Dione feris all the uncles and 59 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: aunties know who that is. 60 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: All you youngin is googlely. 61 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: Here's some words you don't use to describe a murder, Okay, 62 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 3: when you are charged with manslaughter. Comical, Okay, Daniel Penny said, 63 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 3: it's a little bit comical to call him a racist. Daniel, 64 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 3: I don't know if you're a racist or not, but 65 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: you have to overstand that some people are trying to 66 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: figure out why you would just strangle a man on 67 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: the subway, okay, and a white man doing that to 68 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: a black man in America, we are always going to 69 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 3: go to race for so it's not comical to think 70 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 3: you are racist. 71 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: It's context. Okay, historical context that day. Blame your ancestors 72 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: and racist piers for people jumping to that conclusion. But 73 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: that's not even the reason you're getting donkey today. 74 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 3: I mean, personally, you could have just left it at 75 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 3: You know, I'm not racist. 76 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: I love all people, I love all coaches. 77 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: But no, did y'all catch you the reason why you 78 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: couldn't be racist? 79 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: Listen, listen to this one again. 80 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 5: I'm not a white supremacist. I mean it's a little 81 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 5: bit comical. Everybody who's ever met me can tell you 82 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 5: I love all people, I love all cultures. You can 83 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 5: tell by my past and all of my travels and 84 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 5: adventures around the world. I was actually planning a road 85 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 5: trip through Africa before this happened. 86 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: I was actually planning a road trip through Africa before 87 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: this happened. Not as comical, okay, a road trip through Africa. 88 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: White people going to Africa is what makes them less racist. 89 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: Daniel Penny, do you know anything about the European colonization 90 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: of Africa? I mean, what do you want to call 91 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: it to scramble for Africa, the partition of Africa, the 92 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: conquest of Africa, whatever you want. 93 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: To call it. 94 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: It was the invasion and coolination of colonization of most 95 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 3: of Africa by several Western European powers. So a white 96 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: man visiting Africa doesn't mean they have tolerance for black people. 97 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: Okay. 98 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: Planning to go to Africa doesn't in any way mean 99 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: you don't suffer from white supremacy or racism. That's like 100 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 3: saying a man isn't fat because he goes to whole foods. Okay, 101 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 3: fat people have access to whole foods, like racists have 102 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: access to Africa. Okay, what's next, Daniel Penny, You're gonna 103 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 3: tell us that some of your best friends are black. 104 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 3: You're gonna tell us you voted for Barack Obama twice. Oh, 105 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: Black Pants is your favorite movie too, Daniel Penny, how 106 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 3: you cried went to Charlie and Queen Ramanda died? And 107 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 3: for the record, I'm not saying that Daniel Penny is racist. 108 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: I have no idea what this man believes in his heart. 109 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: I just know that this is absolutely from Some of 110 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 3: my best friends are black. Playbook and another example of 111 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 3: how we can't have real conversations about race. Okay, I 112 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: think white people like Daniel Penny have superficial relationships with 113 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: black people, and he doesn't even understand how race plays 114 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 3: out in a black person's daily life. If he did, 115 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: he would probably understand why folks are calling him a 116 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: racist for scrangling a black man to death on the train. 117 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 2: I'm just here to. 118 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 3: Tell y'all this morning that proximity to blackness does not 119 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 3: stop white people from doing racist things. I repeat, proximity 120 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: to blackness does not stop white people from doing racist things. 121 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 3: I know, New York Post you always trying to humanize 122 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 3: Daniel Penny. 123 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 2: I get it. 124 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 3: But in humanizing him, how about keep him from keep 125 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 3: him from sounding stupid? Please letr me MA give Daniel 126 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: Penny the biggest e ull he ha he ha. 127 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: You stupid motherfucker? Are you dumb? 128 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: All right? 129 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 6: All right, well thank you for that donkey today. Yes, indeed, 130 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 6: shout everybody on B E T. Will see you guys tomorrow. 131 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: Thank you b E T. All right, now, just have 132 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: the dilemma. 133 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 6: Just has a dilemma, Just has some mess. 134 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: So what's what's what's the situation? 135 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 4: Just Okay, So look right, so I do this segment 136 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 4: called Jess with the Mess, and somebody wrote when you 137 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 4: do it that on Carefully Reckless my podcast which is 138 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 4: on the Black Effect under iHeartRadio. 139 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: Thank you chall man, like y'all like that, you tossed 140 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: it away all right? 141 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: Now. 142 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 4: I had somebody that write me, that wrote me that 143 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 4: said they're in a relationship with some relationship and their 144 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 4: current man had a previous relationship that he was in. 145 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 4: He was attached to a child in that relationship. Now 146 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 4: the child is his child. No it's not. It's not 147 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,119 Speaker 4: as biological child. And the child even knows her dad, 148 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 4: and her dad is in her life, you know, not 149 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 4: the best dad, but nevertheless still knows in her life 150 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 4: right now. When he was with this girl, he did 151 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 4: a lot for the girl. He built the bond with 152 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 4: the child. They were only together for maybe like a 153 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 4: year and a half or so, but he was very 154 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 4: drawn to this child. 155 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: And even with them breaking. 156 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 4: Up, he goes to like her graduations and stuff like that. 157 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 4: And and the girl that wrote me, she has a 158 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 4: problem with it because he has a problem with the 159 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 4: bond that her and her baby father had. And apparently 160 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 4: her and her baby father are like me and Jerome, 161 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 4: which is why she first wrote me yes, And she 162 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 4: wants to know is this a deal breaker because she 163 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 4: feels like it's manipulative for him for her current boyfriend 164 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 4: to use the situation. Oh well, look, well I ain't 165 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 4: gonna stop dealing with my my my and we can't 166 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 4: even say my step daughter because you're not you was 167 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 4: never married. The daughter is like eight or nine, so 168 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 4: she's young, you know, and she's graduating from what's the 169 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 4: name and the whole, I mean, from elementary school. 170 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: And she told he told me. 171 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 4: He was like, I want to go to the graduation 172 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 4: and me and her mother will be staying side by side, 173 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 4: saying I'm. 174 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: Like, whoa, So you basically like, did you stop being 175 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: cool with your ex and your ex's family for your 176 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 3: new man? 177 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying? 178 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 4: I mean, it ain't even that, it's just like because 179 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 4: she's saying that he uses it in like a manipulative way, 180 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 4: like whenever her and her because he feels like he 181 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: feels like she can't talk to our baby fop unless 182 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 4: it's about the child, like they do business together. When 183 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 4: I said they're like me and Rome, They're like me 184 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 4: and Rome. So they do business together, they're friends, they 185 00:07:58,640 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 4: do talk outside of their child. 186 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: Romas your brother, baby daddy. 187 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 4: Yeah that is, that's what it is, and and and 188 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 4: that's it, you know. But her boyfriend has an issue 189 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 4: with that. If it ain't about the child, it should't be. 190 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: But nothing, you know. 191 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: And and then he'll even go to far and say, 192 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 4: all right, well, look I'm going to the graduation with 193 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 4: with my ex to support the daughter. 194 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: Let's let's so cool with with your baby. 195 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 4: And you know what I'm saying, why I can't still be. 196 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 6: Well, let's open up the phone lines eight hundred five 197 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 6: eighty five one O five one. Let's let's ask what's 198 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 6: your thought to see I feel like the relationship moved 199 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 6: on and they've only been in a in a relationship 200 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 6: for a year. He's gonna have to wean his his 201 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 6: wean himself off from that girl, right because she's eight 202 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 6: years old. 203 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: The mom is gonna date other men. 204 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 6: And but that's what I said, wean off slight. But 205 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 6: she has a dad. I mean, she has a father. 206 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 6: That mom is gonna be dating other dudes. That's gonna 207 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 6: be in that relationship, and that's gonna make his new 208 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 6: situation feel a little funny, and also in the in 209 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 6: the other situation, I feel the same way too, Like 210 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 6: you can't have an X that y'all so cool. Yeah, 211 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 6: it would make me feel a way that's not I'm 212 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 6: your man, that's not your man, that's your baby daddy. 213 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: Y'all can talk about the kids. 214 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 6: Y'all could be cool, but it can't be a whole, big, 215 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 6: happy family like we all live in the same house life. 216 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 3: Just say you trying to say you think I'll never 217 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 3: find happiness, cause that. 218 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 4: Is not what he said. That's probably what you think, 219 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 4: but he is. That's not true. 220 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 6: But let's open up the phone line and discuss eight 221 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 6: hundred and five eight five one oh five one. 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