WEBVTT - Life without Trea 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.920 Hi, everybody. Welcome to the Phillies Show with Ruben Amarrow 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.640 Junior Jim Salisbury. I'm todd so lucky. It is Monday, 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:28.280 May sixth, twenty twenty four. The Phillies are in position 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.080 on Monday night to sweep a four game series from 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:36.080 the Giants. They are twenty four and eleven. It is 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.960 the best record in Major League Baseball. It is the Phillies' 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.560 best start since nineteen ninety five. They have a two 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:45.800 and a half game lead over the Braves, who are 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.360 on pace to win one hundred and one games. The 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.080 Phillies are on pace to win one hundred and eleven games. 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.480 It's May six, but it's still worth pointing out they're 0:00:54.480 --> 0:01:00.200 off to a really, really good start. Everything is going 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.160 very well for the Phillies, but they are about to 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:05.520 face their first adversity. I guess you could say this 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:10.600 season they lost Trey Turner for at least at least 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:15.080 six weeks with a hamstring injury. I think this is 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.360 a team that's about as well positioned to handle a 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:22.959 loss of a superstar, you know, as any team. Rubin, 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.959 do you think this team is well positioned to handle Turner? 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:29.919 I mean, you know, compared compared to most other teams. 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.200 I really do. And the reason why I say that 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:35.479 is just because of the length and breadth of their 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.640 lineup offensively, and you know, Turner has been playing much 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:43.000 better defensively this year than he did last year, just 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.840 the eye test for me. But and he worked very 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.360 hard at you know, getting himself back to like more 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:55.200 of an average infielder. But I think that the fact 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.040 that the you know, guys like Boem have stepped up. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.120 You're starting to see Stott get a little warmer. You 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:06.040 haven't really gotten you know, the Bryce Harper yet, and 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.560 Schwarber hasn't hit you know, the June home runs yet. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:14.000 So you're you're sort of don't have everybody working on 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.480 all cylinders, but you still have you know, Marsh still 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:22.280 pretty consistent. You know, you have guys that that are contributing. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:29.079 Castianas has done literally nothing offensively, and and and that 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:33.440 yet you know, they're I think they're pitching has obviously 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.200 held it all together. They're starting pitching has just been 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.000 off the charts. And so when you have that combination, 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.120 I think you're do fine. And let's think about it. 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.480 Last year they lost hard and m Harper for a 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:47.519 long time. They kind of hung in there for a while. 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.639 They've had a super start. They got a great head 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.040 start on the on the season compared to last year. 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.399 I mean, the run differential is like from this year 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.720 to last year is like seventy five is the difference 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.880 or something like that, some kind of crazy at crazy 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:05.680 ass number like that. So it's I think more than 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:09.400 anything else. I mean, you have guys who can fill in. Now, 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:13.600 shortstops an important position. I do believe that at some 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.440 point you may very well see Bryce and Stott slide 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.480 over to shortstop to take care of that position. I 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:24.560 think that that may very well happen. I haven't talked 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.079 to Dobrowski and I have not talked to Rob Thompson 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:31.480 directly about that, but my feeling, just because of the 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.200 length of the length of the stint that it sounds 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.040 like it's like a grade two or whatever it is, 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:42.080 hamstring issue. You may very well benefit from having stop 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.560 go to short You get Meryfield some at bats at 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:49.000 second base, and then you have, you know, a little 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.040 bit more stability as far as the offense is concerned. 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:57.480 Social will probably play some two and he's actually had 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.320 moved as much better at shortstop than he is in 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.520 the other position in the field, so they won't lose 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.000 much there. But I think that there's a possibility you 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.520 might see that little change. But I think as far 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.840 as being position, I mean, they're in a great spot 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.320 and they don't want to lose too many guys. 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:18.320 But yeah, I agree, I think they're you know, they 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.839 have experience in dealing with adversity, as Reuben alluded to, 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.679 with losing Harper really each of the last two years, 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.679 not having such an important guy, and you know, especially 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.000 in twenty twenty two he was out. I wish I 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:32.920 had the numbers in front of me, but I think 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.880 he was out like fifty two or three games and 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.640 they went like thirty one and twenty or something. So 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:46.359 it's a real buzzword these days, resilience. But and they've 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:47.680 shown it in the past and I think they can 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.160 beat it again. But as a practical matter, I do 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.000 think they they line up well to handle this. And 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.200 it's a tough loss because tray Turner is playing like 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:58.040 the tray turner you expected. I mean, he's just been 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.960 a hitting machine. But you know, I think JT. You know, 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.080 so far, so good, right, they've played two games without him. 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.719 JT has stepped in at number two and really swung 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:11.160 it well. They've won both games. Obviously they're on a role. 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:14.960 But I do agree with Ruben. I mean, stott natural shortstop, 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.479 came up as a shortstop but hasn't played there since 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.480 twenty twenty two, No big deal. I think he can 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.200 slide over there. And I think your best everyday lineup 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.880 would include a lot of wit Merryfield at second base. 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:29.479 He it looks like a pretty shrewd signing, and it 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:34.320 also looks like that is heating up some so and 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.760 it doesn't help that they've they've added, you know, they've 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.800 padded wins, They've banked some wins here and and that's 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.039 gonna help. And that's the way you do it. So 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.320 I think they can handle this and come out on 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.840 the other side standing tall. And I don't think you 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:52.400 rushed Trade Turner. He's a legs guy, and you be careful, 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.360 you know, like a pitcher with a grond pull on 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:59.479 his push side. Trade Turner is a legs player, so 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.920 he's got an I think that's why they've probably set 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:06.560 that conservative six week estimate. So I think they can 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.560 come out the other side, still smiling here. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.400 It is funny when you think back to spring training 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.320 and they signed whitt Mirfield to that one year, eight 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.719 million dollar deal, and you know, I know there. I 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:19.080 think most people liked the move at the time, but 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:20.919 a lot of people like, wow, eight million dollars. This 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.960 guy's he's never gonna play. He's gonna maybe play what 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.839 two three times a week? And now he ends up 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.400 becoming potentially very important piece, maybe an everyday player while 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:34.919 while Turner's out. How often do you play Scott at short? 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:36.720 You know, do you do you run him out there? 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.040 Because it sounds like he is gonna, yeah, he is 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:40.440 going to go out there at some point. I mean, 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:41.880 do you run him out there most days? 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:42.760 Uh? 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.640 Maybe not this week, but once he kind of gets 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:48.640 in there, do you run him out there every day 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:52.800 it's shorter, or do you. 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.160 I was playing pretty close. You know, he's been taking 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.480 a few balls over there. You even take a third 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.920 now and then, just to keep you know, you keep 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.000 that versatility, you keep it in your toolbox. A little 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.400 about the ability to play those positions. But I think 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.440 if you're winning and he's making plays and it's your 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:08.120 best lineup, I think you go with it probably more 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.760 often than not if you if you maybe a lefty, 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:15.560 that's when you play ed Woudno and and Maryfield at 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.960 second stays a second if you wanted to give Scott 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.400 a day off his feet. But I just have a 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.400 feeling that's gonna end up being their best every day 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.480 lineup while they endure the Turner absence. 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.200 Yeah, I totally agree with that, and I just think 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:31.760 I think, out of respect for Sosa, I think they're 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:33.760 going to give him a couple of more games just 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.920 to play shortstop and just to give him some love, 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:42.600 just just knowing sort of you know, the DNA of 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.960 how Rob Thompson works. I think he'll probably give him 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:49.240 a little bit of time and then let maybe stop 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.440 take some ground balls over there, have Bobby Dickerson work 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:56.320 with him a few days at shortstop, and then stop, 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.840 sort of make that gradual transition. I do believe if 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:01.880 it goes for a month, and it sounds like it's 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.040 going to be at least a month, I mean, thirty 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.760 days is thirty days. That's one sixth of the season. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.880 So you you're talking about you know, I'm a significant 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:12.400 amount of time, And I got no problem let's let's 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.400 not forget. You know, the Philadelphia Phillies went to the 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.560 World Series, almost won the World Series, but stop at shortstop. 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.480 I mean he was a rookie, much like we saw 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.480 years ago with Kevin Stoker going over there and playing 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:29.440 you know, shortstop for the Phillies in ninety three. So 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:34.440 you know, for me, I would slide him over there 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:39.239 and then give. As James said, I think with Maryfield 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.240 is going to be a really good player and an 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:46.320 important piece of this and you're not. I mean, I 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.600 know Trey Turner's trade Turner, but you start thinking about 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.760 how this lineup set up. Get another right handed bat 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.120 in there. That's a quality. You get a guy who 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.600 knows how to play. You get a guy who has 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.560 been and everyday player, was an All Star last year. 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.440 I mean the signing is, as you said, Todd, very 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:09.240 very shrewd, pretty smart and h and helpful, and that's 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.120 what you sort of need. You need to have certain 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.079 guys step up. I mean, what was it, Tadd and 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:18.280 Gucci we ended up signing when when when? Or we 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.160 ended up trading for it when you know when Utley 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.400 went down. I mean, those things need to happen. You 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.120 have to create some depth for your team. 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:30.199 That was that was That was to Pat Killick felt 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.120 bad for Freddy. Freddy Garcia, right, I think it. 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.400 I think it was. I really honestly think I honestly 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.200 think it was because. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.480 It was like two baseball men doing each other a 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.200 solid like I think Kenny Williams felt bad that Freddy 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:44.160 broke down so quick. 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.760 Maybe I got to believe that there had to be 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:51.040 something to that, because you know, there was some question 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:56.240 about the medicals on on Freddy that we checked out. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:10:01.720 But you know, a little little, maybe a little shady. 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:05.520 Right, I mean, that's they got. They got their Tad 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.120 Agucci and Mirrorfield before the season started, so they don't 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:09.880 need to run out and get somebody. So again that 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.040 that move looks pretty solid. And it also helps, of 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:17.840 course that you lose a player like Trey Turner. You 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:22.120 have a rotation that is one of the best in baseball. 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:26.160 It's the best in the National League. You know, last night, 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.800 Taiwan Walker goes out and allows one run through six 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.319 innings and he gives up the two run home run 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:38.880 in the seventh. You know, he both games really through 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.200 six innings, he pitched pretty well and a lot of 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:46.640 hand ringing, a lot of angst amongst the fan base 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:50.240 about you know, what do you do with Spencer Turnbowl? 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.120 Now it sounds like he's in the bullpen, but it 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:57.920 sounds like he maybe could pitch and start some games 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:02.120 since Chris Sanchez spot, but maybe not. Maybe he'll piggyback them, 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.480 but then maybe he'll be a high leverage guy at 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.880 some point. But they got to keep them stretched out, 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:08.960 you know, you got to keep them going three innings. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.520 I asked throughout last night, you know, it was if 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.400 Taiwan had gotten through the seventh, would you have finished 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.240 the game with Spencer Turnbull? He said, Now, we really 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:19.000 want him to go three innings. I don't know what's 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:23.880 going on or how it's going to work. It's it's 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.120 all very confusing to me kind of how it's set up. 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.160 But I guess somebody has to take, you know, has 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.120 to take the hit, and it's going to be Spencer Turmble. 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:34.840 Do you, guys, Rubin, how do you feel if Phillies 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.719 are handling the Walker Turnbull situation right now? 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.600 I just think it's a fluid situation, I really do. 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.640 I mean, listen, you can't have six guys it's clear 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.880 that guys like you know, Wheeler don't do not want 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.199 to pitch on six days, you know, five days rest. 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.800 Oh no, that's oh no, you know that was very clear. 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.320 And I don't blame them. I mean, these guys have 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.920 their routines, and you know people talk about well, you 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.760 know that can't be an excuse. Well, it is an excuse. 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.640 You imagine sitting on your rear end for five days 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:08.160 or six days and you're not pitching. That's different for 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.160 a pitcher, and especially when you're talking about elite athletes. Okay, 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.520 So the Aaron Nola's in, the the Suarez is and 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.920 the Wheelers of the world are going to stay in 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:22.480 their routines. Now, they may benefit from this in August 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.440 if they clinch early or something like that, where you 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.200 want to give them a couple of days, that may 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.319 be different, but you never have enough pitching. I love 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.360 the fact that they have this problem because it's never 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.959 a problem. Never happens. Okay, I will tell you, knowing 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:40.319 this business, that this problem never happens. And the fact 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:44.800 that they have this is great and I think honestly 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.600 it keeps kind of Christopher Sanchez on his toes because 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.439 if he doesn't pitch well, he'll slide back into the 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.400 long spot. I mean, it's I mean, that's what's going 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.679 to happen. And I hope Chris Sanchez continues to pitch 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.840 well or gets better, because I think his stuff is there, 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.840 just he hasn't been super super sharp with his command, 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.440 which he was doing very well last year at the 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.600 end of the year. I think he needs to get 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.760 back to that. But if he falters, then they can 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.199 flip flop the guys. I mean, it's as simple as that, 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.240 or they can piggyback them or whatever it is that 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:19.440 they need to do. So I love this problem. I 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.000 wish I had this problem for years and years and 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.960 years as a GM, and I think it's just a 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.400 fluid situation where they'll try to manage it as best 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.160 they can. You know, at some point someone's got to 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.240 blow up game where they give up five runs in 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:34.640 the first two winnings, They're going to have to bring 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.760 somebody in. Well, I'd like to have that guy. I 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:39.920 like to have that guy, and I have that guy 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:41.480 be sharp so they can stay in the game and 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.680 perhaps come back and win it. So it's a great 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:50.439 situation to be in. I'm envious, and I think it's 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.720 a it's a really really great two signings. You start 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:55.560 thinking about some of the things that they did in 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:59.000 the offseason that are the smaller ones that become big 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.959 are merror Field and Turnbull knows that's that's that's good stuff, man, 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.920 and that's why Daved Nebowski is a Hall of Famer, right. 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:11.680 I actually think guys, it keeps four and five Sanchez 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.319 and Taiwan Walker on their toes a little bit because 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:19.240 you know, that's if Turnbull can slot in either place. 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:25.760 And very interesting to hear Rob very clearly say last night, 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.239 when we use Turnbull, we want it to be three innings. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.880 They want to keep them stretched, so you know, he 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.760 can slide into the rotation somewhere and you might see 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.120 him next week, depending on the matchups. Start a game 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:42.080 with Sanchez coming in behind him, so they're they're getting 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.520 creative and and I think it has a chance of 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:49.400 really really working. So they obviously want to keep him 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:53.320 sharp because he has shown to be uh, shown great 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.360 value early and they don't want to ice him, have him, 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:57.960 you know, on ice, so the next time they go 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:59.200 to him, he's not sharp. 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:04.000 Right, right, you know, it's funny. Taiwan I thought said 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.040 it best last night. I kind of fumbled the question. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:07.880 I said, have you talked to Spencer? You know, if 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:09.600 you guys had a kind of hash it out. He 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.760 goes hash it out? What do we need to hash out? 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.080 But then he made a great point. He goes, Spencer's 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.400 pitched phenomenally in that spot, stepping at the last minute. 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.960 He has pitched outstanding, And Taiwan said it himself. He 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.080 will be back in the rotation at some point. It 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.560 is a long season. You don't go an entire season 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.160 with only five starters. You don't go an entire season 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.520 with only six starters. I think the Phillies have not 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:38.400 had fewer than ten starters in a season since twenty fourteen. 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.240 I think they had nine. They haven't had fewer than 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.880 nine since twenty eleven, when they had seven. So the 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.880 odds tell you, unless there's a miracle of health and production, 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.280 that Spencer Turnbull will be starting again at some point 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:52.360 for the Phillies this season. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.240 I sure hope in August they have the same problem. 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:00.120 Can you imagine, I mean in July and August, if 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.280 you have the same problem, then you'll be going you're 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.560 literally happy as hell. I mean, if you're in the 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.680 front office and you're Rob Thompson and you're Caleb Coffin, 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:13.160 you're going, Thank the sweet Lord, you're letting me have 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.040 all these pitchers right now. 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.600 I think that's one of the reasons why this situation 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.160 seems so convoluted and messy is because it never happens. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.440 You don't have a guy that throws one hundred and 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.440 seventy two innings one year, starts a season and the 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:29.400 injured list, and people are going, how are you going 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.600 to fit him in? Because the guy he assigned to 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.880 a one year, two million dollar deal, who's been injured 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.200 the last four years, has a one six seventy rac 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.800 and six starts. It's pretty wild. 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.920 I think Taiwan deserves a little respect for those sure 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.720 both one two, and for the way he's come out 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:50.920 of the gate here with two solid starts. But you know, 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.280 obviously the seventh innings haven't gone his way, and you 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:55.920 can make the argument that he should have been out 0:16:55.920 --> 0:17:01.360 of there earlier in both games. I think it's fair 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.960 to make that point. I think it's fair to ask 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.119 Rob Thompson that question. I mean, he was asked about 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.760 that last night, whether you know he was it you 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:10.720 that asked him or Scott. 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.560 Yeah, I asked him if if he'll he'll have more pause. 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:16.560 I guess, yeah, that's right, Like get. 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:18.200 Him out of there after six, and I think it's 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.160 it's fair. And I bet you he will. I bet 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.520 you all of a sudden, like his little ding ding 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.600 ding meter is going off, you know, at six, after 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.439 six innings the next time. But Rob's not gonna come 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.760 out there, come out there last night and say, you know, 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.199 and say that, and it shows a lack of trust 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.720 and faith in his picture. But I bet deep down 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.960 inside he's gonna view things a little differently after six innings. 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:42.840 I think last night he framed it around. Depends where 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.360 we are, depends where his pitch count is, and those 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.639 are all, you know, you know, fair points. But I 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.479 think it's also fair to say, you know, six innings, boom, 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.760 we gotta we gotta do something here. You kind of 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:58.040 learned from that empirical evidence. And but you know, if 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:03.160 you stack up Taiwan his two starts over his first 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.440 six innings in each, I'll take that day, even though 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.960 the stuff is not like dynamic and lighting up the 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:12.400 radar gun and making everybody go oohing ah. The location 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.000 has been good, the results have been good. Yeah. 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.040 So here's the thing. I think, out of respect to 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.880 Taiwan and the fact that the team had some cushion 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.360 and Rob Thompson's got a lot of confidence in the offense, 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:26.879 I think you can let him go to that seventh 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.280 inning and try to get through to it. And I 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.320 think that's the beauty of this offense that they've gave him, 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.800 given him a couple of cushions to be able to 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.240 work with that, and to give Rob Thompson and also, 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.320 you know, I mean, it gives Rob Thompson an opportunity 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.439 to like find out, Let me find out if this 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:45.479 guy can go through seven, if he can get up 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.840 and down six times? I mean, and I think that 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:50.879 that's I don't think I have a problem with that. 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.520 And the fact that he also trusts the guys in 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.960 the back end to be able to clamp it down 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.560 if they have some issues. I think that that's what 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:01.880 you saw on his first two outings. The other thing 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:05.080 that I noticed about Taiwan Walker and correct me if 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.240 I'm wrong, guys, but his split is even working. It's 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.880 his best pitch and his split is not even working yet, right. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:12.960 I think once he gets the field for that split 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.000 a little bit more. I know his velocities are in 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.360 the nineteen ninety two range. He's probably that's where he's 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:20.679 gonna be. He may ramp up a little bit. I 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:22.760 know Rob Thompson talked about it that he may get 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.920 gained some more velocity as he goes, as he gets 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.840 stronger through the season. That said, his best pitch is 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.440 not even working yet and he's still sort of managing through. Now, 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.200 these are not great lineups, but there. 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.440 Aren't great lineups in the whole, in. 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:38.600 All of baseball. I mean, there's not that many great 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:44.000 teams offensively that you have to really quote unquote worry about. Now. 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:46.080 It will be different in the playoffs. It'll be different 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:49.280 in September when games get tighter and tighter. But the 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:51.520 man doesn't even have his best pitch and he's still 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:53.439 sort of managing through. So you got to give him 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:54.119 a little love for that. 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.000 Yeah, he said is he had a blister in San 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:58.920 Diego and that's why he I mean, he didn't throw 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.960 a split almost at all. I feel like in the 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.080 debuty said he got a better feel for it later 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:09.760 in the game Sunday night. So it was the pitch 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.640 he was throwing him, what thirty or thirty Yeah, third 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:14.320 of the time. Last year he was going it was 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.959 all split split split. So it was interesting though, like 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:20.720 he gave up home runs, that big home run that 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.520 kind of spoiled both of his lines. It was the 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:26.560 ninetieth pitch and both starts the inning before he finished. 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.639 This is what the kind of the gray area is. 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.000 I guess, like I think in his first start he 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.320 finished the sixth inning at like seventy three pitches, and 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:36.639 last night he finished at seventy seven pitches. So you 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:41.359 can see why Rob sent him out into the seventh 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:43.720 inning both of those. But again, now his next starts, 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.320 say he's at seventy six going into the seventh inning, 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:48.360 do you send them back down? 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:52.040 Ruben said, you know, Rob wants to find out. Yeah, 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.560 so you know you send him out there twice to 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:57.200 find out. And now when you make the move that 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:01.240 you know at the seventy the ninetieth pitch, when you 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:03.120