1
00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,320
Speaker 1: This is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,

2
00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:18,319
Speaker 1: bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You

3
00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,360
Speaker 1: can't predict anything brought to you by first Light. When

4
00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm hunting, I need gear that won't quit. First Light builds,

5
00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,160
Speaker 1: no compromise, gear that keeps me in the field longer,

6
00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,200
Speaker 1: no shortcuts, just gear that works. Check it out at

7
00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,559
Speaker 1: first light dot com. That's f I R S T

8
00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:44,680
Speaker 1: L I T E dot com. All right, everybody joined

9
00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,080
Speaker 1: today by someone that Krinn and I have been texting

10
00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,239
Speaker 1: back and forth about having on for it might be

11
00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:55,520
Speaker 1: six years crazy. Krinn was like five because they can't

12
00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:55,960
Speaker 1: do math.

13
00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,240
Speaker 2: I think it's six December nineteenth.

14
00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,480
Speaker 1: That article no, no, I meant I was making about

15
00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:01,480
Speaker 1: it's so long you?

16
00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:03,000
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I was.

17
00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,479
Speaker 1: Since she was a little gal, a little girl. We've

18
00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,760
Speaker 1: been texting back and forth about having on. Rob sand

19
00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:14,640
Speaker 1: from Iowa and what what brought this up? People text

20
00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,880
Speaker 1: you articles all the time, and I didn't know that

21
00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,640
Speaker 1: many years ago we get an article years ago headline

22
00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,399
Speaker 1: New York Times article. Someone sends us this article headline

23
00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:29,360
Speaker 1: the bow hunting influencer of Iowa Democrats. Rob did not

24
00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,480
Speaker 1: write these heads you did not, he didn't write these articles.

25
00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,840
Speaker 1: A line from so then the I studied journalism a

26
00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,440
Speaker 1: little teeny bit. What do you call the the headline

27
00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,000
Speaker 1: and then head out the like lead, lead led right

28
00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,800
Speaker 1: the sub Then there's the nut graft there somewhere is it?

29
00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,600
Speaker 1: The lead? The lead? Rob sand figured out how to

30
00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,360
Speaker 1: win statewide office as a Democrat in Iowa, and now

31
00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:04,040
Speaker 1: the presidential contenders are seeking his counsel. Yeah. It goes

32
00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,920
Speaker 1: on mister sands fondness for hunting. See this is really

33
00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,440
Speaker 1: a story about hunting. Mister sands fondness for hunting, cultivated

34
00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,360
Speaker 1: during his childhood years in rural Iowa, but also conveniently

35
00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,400
Speaker 1: appealing to the state's more conservative constituents, helps explain why

36
00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,720
Speaker 1: he was the only non incumbent Democrat to win statewide

37
00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,359
Speaker 1: here in twenty eighteen, all thanks to hunting.

38
00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:28,079
Speaker 3: Uh.

39
00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:33,280
Speaker 1: Then the Telegraph, here's another headline, robbedn't right, He's gonna blush.

40
00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:38,120
Speaker 1: Uh Oh, the gun toting Christian who could help Democrats

41
00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,160
Speaker 1: win over Trump voters. Rising star party is spooking Republicans

42
00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,359
Speaker 1: and Ruby red state of Iowa. A sentence from that

43
00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,520
Speaker 1: article goes, Rob Sand, Oh, yeah, there's a gun toting

44
00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,160
Speaker 1: Christian from rural Iowa who goes deer hunting. Of all

45
00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,360
Speaker 1: things that I'm added, I'm editor, I'm adding that of

46
00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,680
Speaker 1: all things, who goes deer hunting, drives a white Ford

47
00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,480
Speaker 1: F one fifty pick up and open speeches by quoting

48
00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:07,360
Speaker 1: the Bible. Another article Wall Street Journal, Meet the Democrat

49
00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,280
Speaker 1: who Republicans fear in Red state America. Here's here's a

50
00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,160
Speaker 1: sentence from the article. Rob sand could almost pass for

51
00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,960
Speaker 1: a Republican. He frequently quotes the Bible, owns two sig

52
00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,040
Speaker 1: sour handguns, goes deer hunting each fall, and asks audiences

53
00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,400
Speaker 1: to sing a few verses of America the beautiful at

54
00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,720
Speaker 1: the start of each campaign event. So these articles they

55
00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,919
Speaker 1: build and build and build, and then we're like, maybe

56
00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,440
Speaker 1: don't have this guy in and talk to him. Uh,

57
00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,360
Speaker 1: but most were gonna talk about a big old Bucky killed. Yeah,

58
00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,040
Speaker 1: that'll be more fun. That's the main thing. My auditing head.

59
00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,120
Speaker 1: And all of these sentences are like, not quite true,

60
00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,440
Speaker 1: not quite true.

61
00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,080
Speaker 3: I now drive a Silver f one fifty.

62
00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,560
Speaker 1: Oh some little minor differences. Yeah, the white one hit

63
00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,240
Speaker 1: like one seventy, and the camfazers were going out and

64
00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,520
Speaker 1: with all the body damage that was on it, it

65
00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,120
Speaker 1: made more sense to buy a new one. Got it.

66
00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,400
Speaker 1: But there's a quote the only thing worse than being

67
00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,360
Speaker 1: written about it's not being written about. You could switch

68
00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,880
Speaker 1: my in my business. That's probably true. Yeah, you could

69
00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,320
Speaker 1: switch it. You know you can switch it. Oh. Also,

70
00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,719
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention he's he's running for governor. There's

71
00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,000
Speaker 1: that he's running for governor and I iowas we're gonna

72
00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,039
Speaker 1: talk about that, but first we have to have our

73
00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:28,400
Speaker 1: entrepreneur spotlight. Back to Brooklyn Stevens. Right, Brooklyn Stevens, this

74
00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,400
Speaker 1: is your third time you've been on the show, believe

75
00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,080
Speaker 1: so okay, because she's trying to build her business it

76
00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,599
Speaker 1: FOURAL six Bone Works, so we have around on and

77
00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,719
Speaker 1: to check in with her. Harvest was down in Montana

78
00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,400
Speaker 1: this year because it was an exceptionally warm fall. It

79
00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:47,960
Speaker 1: was not much snow, hot, very hot, and she saw

80
00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,560
Speaker 1: it reflected in how many schools came into four L

81
00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,839
Speaker 1: six Bone Works. Yep, that's her leading theory. Tell us

82
00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:54,280
Speaker 1: about that.

83
00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,720
Speaker 2: I yeah, I mean I last year, I probably did

84
00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,039
Speaker 2: close to two hundred and fifty schools from January to

85
00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:10,360
Speaker 2: end of December, and that was not counting that it

86
00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:15,280
Speaker 2: would have been this January, like the the trickle in

87
00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,880
Speaker 2: of that season schools, which was probably another twenty or

88
00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,920
Speaker 2: so got it this year. I don't even know if

89
00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,320
Speaker 2: I'll get close to two hundred.

90
00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,640
Speaker 1: This cannot stand. Yep. And last I need to flood you.

91
00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,120
Speaker 1: They need to flood four or six bone works with skulls. Yeah,

92
00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,040
Speaker 1: I don't care if you've got to ship it from

93
00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,280
Speaker 1: another country yep.

94
00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we bought specifically four to hold all of my heads.

95
00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,000
Speaker 2: A shipping container, so you didically.

96
00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:45,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you own your own shipping container now.

97
00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like a smaller one, but it's

98
00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,240
Speaker 2: still shipping.

99
00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,840
Speaker 1: So you've got capital expenditures into your business.

100
00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's deductible, definitely.

101
00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,600
Speaker 1: Uh. And you're thinking about so traditionally the school You've

102
00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:02,960
Speaker 1: done a bunch of schools for me, now you must

103
00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,440
Speaker 1: probably done a half dozen or more. Yeah. Yeah, all

104
00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,880
Speaker 1: turned out beautifully, zero complaints, Thank you, beautiful work. But

105
00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,800
Speaker 1: you're branching into your brand. You're going to branch into

106
00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,440
Speaker 1: the beetles stuff and some other hide hide stuff. So

107
00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,200
Speaker 1: tell tell folks about what your tell folks about your

108
00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,080
Speaker 1: sort of I don't know what you call it business

109
00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,680
Speaker 1: lingo your verticals? No, you know, I'm getting that.

110
00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Beatles I got specifically for like the

111
00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,040
Speaker 2: smaller schools because it's it's hard to like boil them.

112
00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,080
Speaker 2: I would just put them in a crockpot and slow

113
00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,600
Speaker 2: cook them. But oh I just was not a fan,

114
00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,560
Speaker 2: and so I just got the Beatles. And then the

115
00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,960
Speaker 2: way I whiten things now, I can still decreases at

116
00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,240
Speaker 2: the same time, so I can still do it with

117
00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,719
Speaker 2: the smaller schools and it just makes it easier. Okay that,

118
00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,760
Speaker 2: and I'll sell the smaller schools too, like if I

119
00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,600
Speaker 2: can it. My buddies are big trappers, and so if

120
00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,880
Speaker 2: they don't want their skulls, like, they'll just give them

121
00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,919
Speaker 2: to me to feed them, and I'll just sell them

122
00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,720
Speaker 2: and I'll pay them for the school or whatever they want.

123
00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,280
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I did just get in to tanning.

124
00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,480
Speaker 2: I was dabbling in it before, but I just opened

125
00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,080
Speaker 2: for public, so I can't do really anything.

126
00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,600
Speaker 1: So someone got say, let's say someone was out and

127
00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,760
Speaker 1: they got a coyoke and they wanted to have it

128
00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,960
Speaker 1: done as a hanging decoration or they wanted to save

129
00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,240
Speaker 1: it up to get something made out of it they

130
00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,640
Speaker 1: could bring you. You would skin it, flash it, stretch it,

131
00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,640
Speaker 1: get it to the tannery, all that kind of stuff,

132
00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,480
Speaker 1: and return to them a finished product. Excellent. Excellent.

133
00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I just now starting to get into

134
00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,680
Speaker 2: shoulder mounts. I did my first one last last summer.

135
00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,640
Speaker 2: Still a lot of things I need to work on,

136
00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,040
Speaker 2: but it turned out great for Oh I did. Yeah,

137
00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,000
Speaker 2: I think so, and I got a lots of good

138
00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:00,800
Speaker 2: feedback on it.

139
00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,400
Speaker 1: Oh, well, next time you come in, you should bring

140
00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,040
Speaker 1: in a shoulder mount. That's pretty exciting. So you're you're

141
00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,000
Speaker 1: on the path. Like John Hayes, better watch out.

142
00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've talked to him quite a bit, and he's.

143
00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,960
Speaker 1: Better watch that. He's gonna start having to steer you wrong.

144
00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,840
Speaker 1: He's gonna start giving you. Hayes is gonna start giving

145
00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,640
Speaker 1: you bad advice. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna he sees you

146
00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,560
Speaker 1: coming in the rear view mirror and he's gonna start

147
00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:22,600
Speaker 1: giving you bad advice.

148
00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:23,720
Speaker 2: Right, yep.

149
00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,240
Speaker 1: He might not even be around anymore. I spoke to

150
00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,480
Speaker 1: him this morning. He was driving thirty miles an hour. Oh,

151
00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,440
Speaker 1: he was driving thirty miles an hour in a white

152
00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,680
Speaker 1: out behind a truck. We talked about what I would

153
00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,360
Speaker 1: say if he doesn't make it. I was gonna say

154
00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,280
Speaker 1: it with John. It was all about the animals, That's

155
00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,720
Speaker 1: all I was gonna say at is moral service. Now

156
00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:44,959
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like, you know, the dead ones.

157
00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's all about sounds fair.

158
00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,600
Speaker 3: You should remember that the pupil should never outshine the master.

159
00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,480
Speaker 3: That's what they say. He'll stay happy as long as

160
00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,040
Speaker 3: you keep telling him, I'm learning so much from.

161
00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,839
Speaker 1: You, that's yeah. Do that. If he tells you a

162
00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,079
Speaker 1: hot tip, don't be.

163
00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,120
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, don't tell don't tell him.

164
00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,080
Speaker 3: Oh I already knew that. Anything he says, oh, thank you.

165
00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,880
Speaker 1: The pupils should never outshine the mask, or if you're

166
00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,560
Speaker 1: a terrible bullshitter, just at least interesting, you know, keep

167
00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,200
Speaker 1: it in mind. Yeah, never call him and give him

168
00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,959
Speaker 1: a tip, because then, you know what I'm saying, Then

169
00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,559
Speaker 1: he might sayabotage, you know what I mean, because he's

170
00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,960
Speaker 1: he's got to watch out. Sure, he's the old guard.

171
00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:28,480
Speaker 1: You're the new.

172
00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:29,880
Speaker 2: Guard, right yep?

173
00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,520
Speaker 1: All right, Well, so tell people how to get ahold

174
00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,080
Speaker 1: of you. The bringing in the skulls.

175
00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,920
Speaker 2: I have a flyer at the Meter Flagship store downtown Bozeman.

176
00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,800
Speaker 2: My phone number information is all on that or my

177
00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,800
Speaker 2: Instagram is just four O six dop bone works. Message

178
00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,640
Speaker 2: me on there, my Gmail is on there, or if

179
00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,679
Speaker 2: you have my number, you know, it's just shoot me,

180
00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,000
Speaker 2: text whatever. That's the best way. I don't look at

181
00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,920
Speaker 2: my email very much, but you can get me.

182
00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,600
Speaker 1: Get a hold of me. If someone was down on

183
00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,760
Speaker 1: main Street, because because you work at the you don't

184
00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,640
Speaker 1: work at the media to store on main Street. Yep,

185
00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,400
Speaker 1: someone could just drop one off there. Huh is that

186
00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:08,920
Speaker 1: not legal?

187
00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

188
00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,080
Speaker 2: I have a with Alec.

189
00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,160
Speaker 1: He knows what he knows. What's up? Okay, now tell

190
00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,920
Speaker 1: me the honest answer, like it doesn't it's not. The

191
00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,560
Speaker 1: honest answer isn't going to bother me. This is the

192
00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,120
Speaker 1: last question. Would you rather be home cleaning skulls or

193
00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,080
Speaker 1: rather be working at the store. Just tell me this

194
00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,679
Speaker 1: flat out honest answer.

195
00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,439
Speaker 2: Be home clean and clean skulls.

196
00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,200
Speaker 1: Yep. Okay, you're you're you're inspired, you're inspired. It's awesome.

197
00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,680
Speaker 1: All right, Well, good luck, thank you. Four h six

198
00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,360
Speaker 1: bone Works. Give the phone number.

199
00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,920
Speaker 2: It's gonna be four oh six four four eight four eight.

200
00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,760
Speaker 1: I got a second question or the second last question?

201
00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,480
Speaker 1: Do you prefer people to bring you skulls that are

202
00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:54,360
Speaker 1: rotten and full of maggots or fresh and frozen. Neither,

203
00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,880
Speaker 1: Oh really tell us, okay? And with this and with this,

204
00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:04,479
Speaker 1: the perfect customer brings the skull and what form.

205
00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,920
Speaker 2: Killed it that morning? It off that night, not skinned?

206
00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,959
Speaker 2: Just leave it to me, not skinned. I don't it's

207
00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,240
Speaker 2: something about the skin, I think, sucking in all that moisture,

208
00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,040
Speaker 2: and so I think if you just leave it on

209
00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,560
Speaker 2: there and then I can do it. I'll get it

210
00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,120
Speaker 2: done either the same day or the day after. And

211
00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,120
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but it's just like

212
00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,440
Speaker 2: the freshness. It really does make skulls come out wider

213
00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:32,480
Speaker 2: and not realistic.

214
00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,840
Speaker 1: So if they're not doing you a favor when they

215
00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,640
Speaker 1: skin it, I mean.

216
00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,480
Speaker 2: Sort of, I'm gonna now I charge to skin them.

217
00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,679
Speaker 2: But that's why that's what I really like to just that.

218
00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,840
Speaker 3: But she's also inviting her customers to do less work.

219
00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:52,400
Speaker 3: Just bring it to me, I'll do it. That's smart businesss.

220
00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,680
Speaker 1: Fooral six bone works. Get the phone number again.

221
00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,600
Speaker 2: Four six four o four eight four.

222
00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,560
Speaker 1: Eight Okay, Brooklyn, which one you like the most? Your

223
00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,080
Speaker 1: I know? On your contact it says brook but I

224
00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,040
Speaker 1: know he has Brooklyn. Am I doing? Am I wrong

225
00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:06,880
Speaker 1: when I say Brooklyn?

226
00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:07,080
Speaker 3: No?

227
00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:08,240
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.

228
00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So you can pick customers, pick brook they can

229
00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,600
Speaker 1: pick Brooklyn. Steven's firl six bone works. Done a bunch

230
00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,240
Speaker 1: of work for everybody around here. You're doing Spencer's biggest

231
00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,079
Speaker 1: buck he ever got. Yep. Nice.

232
00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:26,280
Speaker 2: Wow, he's probably the biggest buck I've yarrowed so far.

233
00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,160
Speaker 1: Really, he's a picky man too. If he's happy, you'll

234
00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,040
Speaker 1: know you did a good job.

235
00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:40,000
Speaker 2: He's fussy, Yeah, little guy.

236
00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,319
Speaker 1: Fussy, little fellow. Likes everything kind of how he likes it.

237
00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,800
Speaker 1: They've been in his house. Likes everything he likes if

238
00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,640
Speaker 1: you if you move something, he knows he likes it,

239
00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:49,760
Speaker 1: just how he likes.

240
00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,000
Speaker 3: It's hard to live that way.

241
00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,200
Speaker 1: All right, you can take off, go clean some skulls. Yep,

242
00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,440
Speaker 1: thanks dude, appreciate it. Come by, Thank you God.

243
00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,720
Speaker 2: I already broke those rules.

244
00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,920
Speaker 1: Which ones skin skin didn't let it rot.

245
00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,520
Speaker 2: Still still in a box in the garage.

246
00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,319
Speaker 1: She skin didn't let it rot.

247
00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,640
Speaker 3: I also like to call me anything, you know. It's like,

248
00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,120
Speaker 3: you can call me anything. Just call me for your

249
00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:13,880
Speaker 3: text or means.

250
00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,040
Speaker 1: That's a good. Yeah, it's the only rule. Okay, Rob

251
00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,040
Speaker 1: sam Man, Let's let's start a little bit. Let's start

252
00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,559
Speaker 1: a little bit about we'll get it. I want to

253
00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,720
Speaker 1: talk about the buck. I want to talk about what

254
00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,840
Speaker 1: exact you do for a living, what you're fixing to

255
00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,520
Speaker 1: do for a living. You met, but let's let's start out. Uh,

256
00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,920
Speaker 1: let's start out back home and when you were a

257
00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,000
Speaker 1: wee lad. So one of one of the articles I

258
00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,720
Speaker 1: read about you made a lot gave a lot of

259
00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,080
Speaker 1: ink to the fact that you were, that you worked

260
00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,040
Speaker 1: in the poultry. I did it as a chicken catcher.

261
00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:50,880
Speaker 3: I did well technically capons capon catcher, so castrated chickens.

262
00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,840
Speaker 3: This is in northeast Ayle. I grew up in Tacora,

263
00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,439
Speaker 3: and so there's a factory on the east east side

264
00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,640
Speaker 3: of town, east out of town that we actually toured

265
00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:03,640
Speaker 3: when I was in third grade.

266
00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,520
Speaker 1: Okay, so you get to us how you got a

267
00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:06,040
Speaker 1: foot in the door.

268
00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,600
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. They were like, you look dirty. I remember,

269
00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,000
Speaker 3: I remember the little old ladies splashing some of the

270
00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,320
Speaker 3: giblet water on us as we were walking past. So

271
00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,880
Speaker 3: that was very that was thrilling. Definitely made me think

272
00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,680
Speaker 3: I have a career ahead of me and capons, but

273
00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:22,080
Speaker 3: I'm fourtunate.

274
00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm not like I if that was a trivia question,

275
00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would have gotten it right.

276
00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:28,800
Speaker 3: What a capon is?

277
00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? Usual? But but but how is the consumers not

278
00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,440
Speaker 1: buying a capon? This is this is a production term.

279
00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,640
Speaker 3: I can't tell you if they're marketed honestly as capons

280
00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,760
Speaker 3: are not. My job was walk into the barn, pick

281
00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,080
Speaker 3: up the capons, hand him to the guy on the truck,

282
00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,760
Speaker 3: and that was That was the end. And I was fourteen,

283
00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,480
Speaker 3: so I was paying attention to Yeah, five bucks an

284
00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,800
Speaker 3: hour cash. I don't know if I should say that. No,

285
00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,520
Speaker 3: they'll come for you. It was five bucks an hour cash.

286
00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:58,800
Speaker 3: It was good money and you could do it when

287
00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,760
Speaker 3: you were fourteen. And uh yeah, just huge barns. So

288
00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,800
Speaker 3: they pull these huge trucks in turn off the lights.

289
00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,480
Speaker 3: Like I said, capons are castrated meal chickens, so they're fattier,

290
00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,040
Speaker 3: bigger than usual, and you're just walking around. You grab

291
00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,840
Speaker 3: them by the legs, both legs. Both is great because

292
00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,200
Speaker 3: if you can get both, then they can't scratch, you.

293
00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,480
Speaker 1: Can't spurry or bite you exactly exactly.

294
00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,560
Speaker 3: No matter what, their last line of defense is always

295
00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,280
Speaker 3: to piss and shit all over you. Got it, So

296
00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,080
Speaker 3: that's going to happen, got it. That's what Fiel does,

297
00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,800
Speaker 3: is that right, grab them. If you grab him by

298
00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:36,720
Speaker 3: the ankles.

299
00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,520
Speaker 1: It's the only line of defense. So we uh, you know,

300
00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,640
Speaker 1: you grab grab the ankles. Hopefully you get both, pick

301
00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,840
Speaker 1: up another one. You know, maybe you get strong enough

302
00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,640
Speaker 1: six months later that you can do three at a time,

303
00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,720
Speaker 1: or try to get four if your techniques improving. Give

304
00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,040
Speaker 1: them to the guy on the truck and you do

305
00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,160
Speaker 1: that until all the trucks are full. So is this

306
00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,960
Speaker 1: one of those young kid jobs that a lot of

307
00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,880
Speaker 1: young kids come in and a lot of them leave

308
00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:00,520
Speaker 1: on day one?

309
00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:00,840
Speaker 2: Oh?

310
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,360
Speaker 1: That was like like throwing hay bales. Tends to be

311
00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,760
Speaker 1: actually funny that you mentioned that. My buddy Andy Rasmussen,

312
00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,400
Speaker 1: one of my best friends. Uh, he came once, did

313
00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,960
Speaker 1: not go back to collect his pay. Then he's a

314
00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,600
Speaker 1: hard and he's a hard working dude.

315
00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,720
Speaker 3: He's uh, but this is just this was not his

316
00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:20,760
Speaker 3: not his bag.

317
00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,040
Speaker 1: Where I grew up, there's two jobs any kid could

318
00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,600
Speaker 1: get in. Every kid guy. Yeah, yeah, and it was

319
00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,800
Speaker 1: any kid could walk in and start peeling logs. Yep,

320
00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,160
Speaker 1: for log home. We don't have that. We don't have

321
00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,000
Speaker 1: that in Iowa. Thirty five cents of foot. I don't

322
00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,720
Speaker 1: know what it is. Not back the thirty five cents foot.

323
00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,840
Speaker 1: Any kid could walk in and he'd be like, have

324
00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,640
Speaker 1: at it to you? Peeling bark peeling bark off, you know,

325
00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,360
Speaker 1: like a nice log home has that hand peeled? Look? Yeah,

326
00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,720
Speaker 1: anybody could come in. There's no there was just the

327
00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,160
Speaker 1: application period. There's no there was no interview.

328
00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:51,680
Speaker 3: Are you swinging a hatchet?

329
00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,400
Speaker 1: No, it's a draw knife, okay, And it was just

330
00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,640
Speaker 1: simply sure, go ahead, yeah, ready you go. And most

331
00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,680
Speaker 1: people peeled a couple of feet of the log and left. Yeah,

332
00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,639
Speaker 1: there you go, There you go. And the other one

333
00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:10,160
Speaker 1: was working at the greenhouse filling flats.

334
00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,679
Speaker 3: With dirt that would probably be a little bit soil.

335
00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But it was like anybody could get it,

336
00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:16,879
Speaker 1: but not everybody wanted it.

337
00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,119
Speaker 3: Detasseling corn was the other one for Iowa. That's in

338
00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,560
Speaker 3: that too. Was your family agriculture. No, you could see

339
00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,640
Speaker 3: corn and cows out my bedroom window. But my dad

340
00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,280
Speaker 3: likes to say he was a farmer for six months

341
00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:28,680
Speaker 3: and then when he was six months old, they moved

342
00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:29,240
Speaker 3: off the farm.

343
00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,080
Speaker 1: Got it. So, yeah, so you didn't you were you

344
00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,080
Speaker 1: were egg egg adjacent, but not any family.

345
00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Well, and everything if you're in small

346
00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,960
Speaker 3: town Iowa, you know kind of everything's egg adjacent to

347
00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,760
Speaker 3: a certain degree. So no, but yeah, first job was

348
00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,520
Speaker 3: catching chickens. Moved on from there to McDonald's for a

349
00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,040
Speaker 3: couple of years, and then the curve ball would be

350
00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:50,919
Speaker 3: I think my next job after that was working for

351
00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,480
Speaker 3: a local internet service provider, strangely enough, got it.

352
00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you went to law school in Iowa.

353
00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,040
Speaker 3: Went to law school at Iowa, and then went to

354
00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,440
Speaker 3: the Attorney General's US. After that seven years as the

355
00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,679
Speaker 3: chief public coruption prosecutor in Iowa.

356
00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,600
Speaker 1: Oh so that was gonna ask, Okay, so that's how

357
00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,639
Speaker 1: you became aware of that there's all this.

358
00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,679
Speaker 3: There is a state auditor. Yes, that's there's that.

359
00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,160
Speaker 1: There's stuff to do in the governments, right, got it? Yeah?

360
00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,240
Speaker 1: So what was that work? Now?

361
00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:22,000
Speaker 3: So I prosecuted most of the public corruption in Iowa

362
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,159
Speaker 3: in that timeframe. So, like many states, we had a

363
00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:29,000
Speaker 3: film office tax credit of filmmaking tax credit. Uh, like

364
00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,680
Speaker 3: some other states, we screwed it up, and there was

365
00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,480
Speaker 3: a lot of frauds. So I prosecuted those cases. Also

366
00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,320
Speaker 3: uncovered the largest lottery rigging scheme in American history. That's

367
00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,480
Speaker 3: a crazy story. Actually, Oh that's a good one to

368
00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:39,880
Speaker 3: talk about.

369
00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:40,639
Speaker 1: Big version of that.

370
00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,119
Speaker 3: It was a great one to talk about here. There

371
00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,040
Speaker 3: were big Foot hunters involved. Yes, yes, so.

372
00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:53,280
Speaker 1: You the fact that you think that excites me, I'm

373
00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:54,399
Speaker 1: excited by it. I'm like.

374
00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,719
Speaker 3: Anti Bigfoot, all right. I mean I'm not anti his

375
00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,600
Speaker 3: existence or anti looking for him.

376
00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,360
Speaker 1: We've had lookers on we had a look around. Well, no,

377
00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,000
Speaker 1: she wasn't. She covered the lookers, yes, oh, okay, covered

378
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:11,719
Speaker 1: she was a reporter.

379
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,240
Speaker 3: She covered the lookers, all right, and.

380
00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,840
Speaker 1: Then she kind of was a little bit she didn't

381
00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:21,560
Speaker 1: want to condemn them. Yeah, because that's her sources there there. There,

382
00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,600
Speaker 1: They're they're people searching for truth in the world. You know,

383
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,320
Speaker 1: that would been the kind of thing she would have said

384
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:27,800
Speaker 1: on Yeah.

385
00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,320
Speaker 3: I'm not here to judge him. I'm just here to

386
00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:34,920
Speaker 3: tell you some of these jackpots were claimed. The guy

387
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 3: who was at the mastermind of it, it was his

388
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,360
Speaker 3: job to write the computer program, was going to pick

389
00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 3: winning numbers. He put a little bit extra in there.

390
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 3: And so his brother, who was a Justice of peace

391
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:46,040
Speaker 3: down in Texas.

392
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,959
Speaker 1: His brother, he got it back way up.

393
00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, state lottery so interesting. He actually worked for the

394
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,439
Speaker 3: Multi State Lottery Association. So they ran the show for

395
00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:02,080
Speaker 3: different games across thirty eight different states. It's and Canadian provinces.

396
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 1: Got and this is not the kid where the ball

397
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 1: blows up. And though it is not okay, it's a

398
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,200
Speaker 1: computer generator winner.

399
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,120
Speaker 3: It's funny because they moved into the computer generated systems

400
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 3: after the triple six fix in Pennsylvania.

401
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 1: Not familiar. Uh, The triple six fix was a rigged

402
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 1: lottery jackpot with the balls right, but they injected die

403
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,640
Speaker 1: into the sixes and so the sixes dropped down, which

404
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 1: technically speakings this is one of those weird things about

405
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 1: the ping pong ball. Ye yes, yes, yes, And this

406
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,439
Speaker 1: is one of those weird things. Technically speaking, it's the

407
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,440
Speaker 1: triple squix. Yeah, we should have a whole different podcasts

408
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 1: about this. They may have done. That's what I was

409
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 1: going to say, Like, you want to talk to you.

410
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 1: We got blood trails, but financial crime. If you involved

411
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,919
Speaker 1: with the big Foot, that's your angle. The Bigfoot hunters right.

412
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 3: The triple six fits triple six fix in Pennsylvania.

413
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 1: Who okay, I don't want to spend too much time

414
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: on the triple six. Sure okay, sure, okay, So go on. Well,

415
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 1: so somebody who.

416
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 3: Forgot what human was was like, oh, if we do

417
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 3: this with computers, then no one will ever rig it.

418
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,199
Speaker 3: And of course then Eddie Tipton came along, who's the

419
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 3: mastermind at the center of this one, and he rigged

420
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 3: a computer program so he would know he would be

421
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 3: able to rigged what was written. He wrote the program,

422
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 3: but then put a little extra in there. What so

423
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 3: that on one of three dates of the year, if

424
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 3: that date fell on a Wednesday or a Saturday, and

425
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 3: if the draw was happening after eight pm, rather than

426
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 3: going to the actual random number generator for the first seed,

427
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 3: it would go to a seven variable algorithm that he knew,

428
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 3: and so he could he could have people gone by

429
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 3: one hundred, two hundred, three hundred tickets and he would

430
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 3: know that he was hitting the jackpot in those three

431
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 3: hundred what yeah, yeah, yeah, crazy. And his brother is

432
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 3: a justice at the Peace down in Texas and a

433
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 3: big foot hunter, and so he tapped into his big

434
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 3: foot hunting network to help claim some of the tickets,

435
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 3: which I theorize.

436
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: Because he had like his associates. Yes, wow, and this

437
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 1: has got to be don't. Don't these folks have to

438
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: have a high degree of trusting each other. Yeah, because

439
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: you are looked at by the outside world as I'm sure.

440
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 3: You're laughed at.

441
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

442
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so this you you you believe, I believe,

443
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: we know.

444
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, we deserve this money. That's right, that's right. And

445
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: so his brother, the people that were the names, did

446
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 1: they even know their names are being used?

447
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 3: You didn't, they did. So what it was was.

448
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: I don't because they're being told what number to play.

449
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: They're being they I don't know that they were being

450
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 1: told what number to play. But the brother of the

451
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: Mastermind would go to them and say, hey, I want

452
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: the lottery, but my wife and I are on the outs,

453
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 1: or you know, something about like I don't want my

454
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 1: wife to know I'm gambling, something like that. Will you

455
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: claim the ticket. I'll let you keep ten percent. Just

456
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 1: do all of it cash, understand today, not the annuity thing.

457
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 1: I'll give you ten percent if you go claim it.

458
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: And so they'd go claim it, and then ten years

459
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: went by, there was a sixteen million dollar jackpot in Iowa. Actually, folks,

460
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: if you want to, if you got an hour and

461
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: you want to watch a documentary lotto dooc dot com,

462
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: you can watch the whole story there. Or I wrote

463
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: a book about it. I am.

464
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 3: I didn't have anything to do with making it. I'd

465
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,959
Speaker 3: prefer you by my book. Personally, it's the winning ticket,

466
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: but crazy story. So we got to interview you know,

467
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: this bigfoot hunter down in way East, Texas, down in

468
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 3: the Bayou's ironically last named Conn.

469
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: Some of this stuff you just can't make up.

470
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, yeah, and all they were like, yeah, he's

471
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 3: my bigfoot hunting buddy. The brother who was kind of

472
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 3: at the thread that connected from the mastermind actually got

473
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 3: interviewed about the very first jackpot went out in Colorado

474
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 3: by an FBI agent while he's in the hospital with

475
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: two broken legs from falling out of a tree while

476
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 3: bigfoot hunting. Wow, yeah, these guys are indeed, they're in

477
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 3: deep crazy story.

478
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: Well did this go to a jury?

479
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 3: It did when we only had we only knew of

480
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: the one Iowa ticket. So interesting wrinkle here. You know

481
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: you got your right to speedy trial. Ladies and gentlemen,

482
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 3: if you've been charged with the crime, you got your

483
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 3: right to speedy trial. In Iowa, you can have a

484
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 3: ninety day speedy trial rule. Normally the federal rules is

485
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 3: a year, but you can demand it in ninety days.

486
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 3: And this was a case that had kind of been

487
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 3: around for a long time. It got handed to me.

488
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 3: We did a little we pushed a little bit on

489
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 3: the investigation, got some good stuff, and then suddenly realized

490
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 3: that we got to indict this guy once we found

491
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: him out. We released the video of him purchasing the

492
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 3: tickets and got some good tips actually from a guy

493
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 3: in Maine. But we uh, not a big foot hunter,

494
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 3: not a big foot hunter, no, but a guy that

495
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 3: knew the mastermind was like that, Saidie Tipton.

496
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: Huh.

497
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 3: So we had to indict him real quick. And then

498
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 3: he demanded speedy trial under the Iowa rule for ninety days.

499
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 3: So we had this sense at that point where like, Okay,

500
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 3: this guy works at the Multi Say Lottery Association. It's

501
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 3: his job to write the program that picks winning numbers,

502
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: and here we have him buying and ticket. This thing's

503
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 3: obviously rigged. We have no hard evidence, we don't have

504
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: the computer. Right, it's all circumstantial case. And so of

505
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 3: course we're thinking multi SA lottery associations running games in

506
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 3: thirty eight states and provinces. This can't be the only one.

507
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 3: But he demands speedy trial, and so we go to trial.

508
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: We have a jury trial, We pick the jury the

509
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 3: day we start evidence. CBS This Morning covers this trial

510
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: says they got some computer expert on this guy's got

511
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 3: a pretty the defendant, he's got a pretty powerful argument

512
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 3: for a reasonable doubt because they don't have that hard evidence.

513
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: We won anyway, and then we're waiting for sentencing. It's

514
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 3: like a six week wait. You do this, there's a

515
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 3: pre sentenced investigation, so the Department of Corrections can make

516
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 3: a recommendation to the judge. While we're waiting, I get

517
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: a phone call from Texas and I recognize the area

518
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: code is his area code? Just my phone rings in

519
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: my cubicle. Answer the phone, Hey us, this Rob saying, yeah,

520
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 3: do y'all know the Adie Tipton's.

521
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: Brother won the lottery?

522
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 3: No? Yeah, maybe about ten years ago out west somewhere,

523
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 3: maybe a Colorado. I did not know that, Thank you,

524
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 3: And so the investigation. Then now we've got the tip

525
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 3: that we kind of needed to go to other state

526
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: lotteries that we technically don't have any you know, we

527
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: can't tell them give me this. But now we've got

528
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: some information, we can really go to them and say

529
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 3: you probably need to give us this, and they've got

530
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: a reason to do it. So investigation went on from there.

531
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: Did another state win up n Avingham or did you

532
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: guys get the who gets to host him?

533
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 3: It was interesting he served his time in Iowa. We

534
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 3: had great cooperation and really important work from the Wisconsin

535
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 3: Attorney General's office, David Moss up there and Joeanne Joy

536
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 3: credit to them a prosecutor and an investigating agent. And

537
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: then out in Colorado, Rob I think his name was

538
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 3: Rob Shapiro at the AG's office there they agreed, they

539
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: decided to do a prosecution. They didn't have much role

540
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: in the investigation, but Joanne and David really helpful. So

541
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: this is probably we think this is probably the biggest

542
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 3: multi state plea agreement since the founding of federal law enforcement.

543
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 3: Because we couldn't get the fence to take the case.

544
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: Is he in the who'scow? Now?

545
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 3: Who they went?

546
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: Now? Is he in jail? Locked up?

547
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 3: No, and now he's out, he's sort of like four

548
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: and a half years.

549
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 1: That's it.

550
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, in now he has to he's my understanding, has

551
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: still got his sentence hanging over his head in Wisconsin.

552
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: Got it. So if he doesn't make good on his restitution,

553
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: which he better start doing, I think they can haul

554
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: him in in Wisconsin and throw him back in. But

555
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: he's down in Texas and he's probably playing lottery. I mean,

556
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: they'll win the restitution money. He might know what numbers

557
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: to pick. I don't want I want to tell you

558
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: about something. I don't want this take up too much time.

559
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: But do you hear about these dudes in Texas that

560
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: just did that. They won the lottery, but they won

561
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: it far and square. They these mathematicians, they kind of

562
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: it's a global network.

563
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: Was this the serial number thing? Like they figured out

564
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 3: a clue in the serial number? No?

565
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: No, no, no, they it's a global network. Or these

566
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: mathematician guys, and they just watch sweep steaks, raffles, giveaways, lotteries.

567
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: They watch them for vulnerabilities. So interesting in Texas they

568
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: realize that you could, if you're a business, you can

569
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: get your own lottery machine for tickets. I did see this.

570
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: So they just rent offices all over to state. They

571
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: don't open any businesses because it's not part of the thing.

572
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: You just need an address. They rent offices over to state.

573
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: They get their own lotto machines. They wait till the

574
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: jackpot gets to a certain bit and where they know

575
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: their expected value hits the This is the time, friends, families,

576
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: they are like, they're banking on they have it have

577
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: to be that. They can't be a split jackpot. Yep.

578
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: If it's a split jackpot, they break, even if they're

579
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: the sole winner. They clear tens of millions of dollars. Yeah,

580
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: and so they would. They would wait till it hit

581
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: that amount. There's actually and then they got seventy two

582
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: hours or something like that.

583
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: There's another story that's similar out of Michigan. Matter of fact,

584
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: Jerry and Marge go large. Oh, Jerry and Marge. Jerry

585
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: was some Michigan guy who just had a real head

586
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: for numbers and he noticed some pattern and some game

587
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: in Michigan and basically did the same thing.

588
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: There's there was.

589
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: It started with a newspaper or sorry, a magazine article,

590
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: and then it got turned into a movie. Oh great movie. Yeah,

591
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: they ran Michigan or not.

592
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: And they had seventy two hours, kids, wives, everybody. Yeah,

593
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: they ran every number, imprementation possibly by yeah, and then

594
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: had a storage system. They do the draw, they go

595
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: into their little thing like here's the ticket, right, they're

596
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: passing a lot like and I and as the last

597
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: I knew, everyone looked at it every which way looking

598
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: for why that's illegal. Yeah, as far as I know,

599
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah. So now that now, the Texas legislature

600
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: is like changing their rules to make it that.

601
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: You can't do that, and they're all mad and they're

602
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: trying to make it look like these people screwed up

603
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: because there are a bunch of politicians who don't want

604
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: to admit that they wrote stupid rules for a game that. Yeah,

605
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: these guys like we won far and square. Yeah, they

606
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: just how smart them. They're like, dude, you wrote these rules.

607
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 3: We read the rules that you wrote, we played the

608
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 3: game according to the rules.

609
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: Don't be mad at me, Eddie. That's right, that's right.

610
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: Eddie actually put a little extra code in there that

611
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: made it made it predictable. So that's why that's the difference.

612
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: That's why he went to prison. And these people got

613
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: a bunch of money.

614
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: These people get to hang out. Yeah yeah, all right,

615
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: one last thing then we're going to I got to

616
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: order in my head. Yeah yeah. So we talked about

617
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: the when you we're doing that Department of what it's

618
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: called again, like yeah, I was.

619
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was assistant Attorney general and prosecute atorney

620
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: general some violent crime, but the focus was financial crime.

621
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: And then you're now the state auditor.

622
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: That's right. That's an elected position elected in Iowa. Yeah,

623
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: so it's a mix in different states. Easiest way to

624
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: understand it is it's like closest thing to taxpayers watchdog.

625
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: So we audit tax spenders, not tax payers.

626
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: Give me an example of a tax spender, the state

627
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: of the state government, Highway Department, dot, Department of Education.

628
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: If a county or a city or a school district

629
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: hires us for their annual audit, we do their audit,

630
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: and then we do special investigations under certain circumstances.

631
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: Got it is that a competitive field if you go

632
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: to try to get elected.

633
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: Well sure, I mean, at the end of the day,

634
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: anytime you got a race, Iowa was still the at

635
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: its heart is a fairly competitive state that doesn't mean

636
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: that every race is competitive, but when you're looking statewide,

637
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: you know it can go either way.

638
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: So most people will run against you reason for a

639
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: period it's time. My mother was the treasurer of her

640
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: township thirty six square miles, all right, big chunk of ground.

641
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 3: I'm betting she didn't have a lot of competition for that.

642
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: She would sometimes it would be that no one would

643
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: run against it, yep, which makes it very easy to win.

644
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: That's that's much better. Yeah, I would prefer that. That

645
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: would be great. I could actually spend a lot more

646
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: time hunting and hanging out with my kids. So you

647
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: won that, Yeah, four years, re elected in twenty two.

648
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: And to your point, when I won in eighteen, that

649
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: was the first time in Iowa and in thirty six years,

650
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: which I think was my life. Basically I was thirty

651
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: six at the time, but basically the first time in

652
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: my life that a statewide incumbent Republican lost to a

653
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: Democratic challenger. So as auditor as no, for any state

654
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: wide I think any statewide office. We tend to re

655
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: elect our incumbents in Iowa. There's exceptions, but yeah, and.

656
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: We were talking about running for governor and we're not

657
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: going to get into this X. We're a top about

658
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: deer good running for governor. It's it's this is the

659
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: first time in some long period of time that it's

660
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: an open race.

661
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, first time. Let's see basically since first time in

662
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: twenty years.

663
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: God, yep, yep.

664
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 3: So it was, uh, you'll going back to people on

665
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 3: the inside. One of the things that kind of made

666
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: me push to do it was so we uncovered a

667
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: record amount of mispent money in my first term I

668
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: get re elected. The response to Democrats and Republicans and

669
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: independence in Iowa re electing me was the legislature and

670
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 3: the governor passed the law so that state agencies can

671
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: hide evidence of misspent tax dollars from our office, can

672
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: hide I understand, I know, because why would you ever

673
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: do that? Right, that's wrong, it's bad. Yes, that's what

674
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: they did.

675
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,959
Speaker 1: But help me understand, Like, what's the argument for hiding evidence?

676
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: Oh well, oh, that's that's the argument you got to make.

677
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 3: You gotta have words come out of your mouth. It's

678
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: all bs, the words that would coming out of their mouth.

679
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 3: We're oh, well, we're trying to protect your privacy, got it?

680
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: Privacy for waste fright and abuse of my tax dollars.

681
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: I don't want privacy for that.

682
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: Got it.

683
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: Every every government watchdog in the country that weighed in

684
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: on this law, Democrats, Independence, Republicans, they were all like, don't, don't,

685
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 3: don't do this. This is terrible. You're going to see

686
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 3: an increase in waste of tax dollars if you pass

687
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: this law. They passed it anyway because they because they

688
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: saw that we were like, you know, doing the job,

689
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 3: and they were like, hey, he's making he's letting people

690
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: know what's happening. We can't have that.

691
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: Got it. So but then you wont after that, No,

692
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: I got re elected. Then they did that, So that

693
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: made the job less fun. Oh.

694
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 3: I mean we're about to do something important. We're about

695
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: to tell people a big deal. We're trying to hold

696
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: people cutable. And they're like, h we don't want you

697
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: to look at that. Oh, well, what am I doing here?

698
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: Then? Huh?

699
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 3: There was a there was I remember one of the

700
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: quotes from someone who was like on the Government Oversight

701
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: Committee for the American Institute CPAs was like, if you

702
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: pass this law, you may as well make it so

703
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: you don't have a state auditor.

704
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: Oh. That's what they did, and that's what they're like, that's

705
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: what we mean. Yeah, they were like, perfect, let's pass

706
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: this sucker. That's just the endorsement they wanted. Huh yeah yeah.

707
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, job suddenly became less interesting, less fun. I really,

708
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a piece of this is rooted

709
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: in my faith. My faith, as those stories mentioned, very

710
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,959
Speaker 1: important to me. One of the stories that always stuck

711
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: out to me in as a kid was Jesus flipping

712
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: over the tables of the money changers in a temple,

713
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: people in a position of trust and power right who

714
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: were abusing that trust and power. And I love the

715
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: work I was doing as a prosecutor, going after corrupt

716
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: public officials, corrupt financial advisors who prey on people's trust right,

717
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: who use their position to get more for themselves. I

718
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: love the work of holding people accountable who are in

719
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: charge of tax dollars, making sure that they knew that

720
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: someone was looking at them and didn't care about the

721
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: power that they had, but cared about whether or not

722
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: they were doing the right thing. And then you change

723
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: that law and you take that away, and it's like, well,

724
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this anymore, and it makes

725
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: it all the more important to say. Sounds like we

726
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: need a new governor, someone who's going to give the

727
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: auditor their power back and do a bunch of other

728
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: good stuff at the same time. That's kind of the idea.

729
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: Let's jump into deer please. That's a sealed deal. That's

730
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: what sealed deal. Yeah, he got a really big buck

731
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: in an urban hunting program. Yes, yes, boom done, So

732
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: explain it. So you're in des Moines, yep, Okay, what

733
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: is the urban hunting program in des Moin?

734
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: What I can tell you of it. I've been doing

735
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 3: it for I think thirteen years. And many Iowa municipalities

736
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: have got an urban hunting program because we got big

737
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: white tail over the state and you know, they're eating

738
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: people's hostas and all that, and you always get a

739
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 3: divide on the people who want you to take them

740
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: and don't. But most cities have got a program bow

741
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: hunting only you got to shoot from an elevated position

742
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: so that your arrow's going into the ground, be in

743
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: a stand. You have to take an annual every single year.

744
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 3: You got to repass your marksmanship test so that they

745
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 3: always know is.

746
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: It a serious test?

747
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,959
Speaker 3: It's not super I would call it a proficiency people

748
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: called it proficiency test. So it's like ten arrows from

749
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: fifteen yards and ten arrows from twenty yards at a

750
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 3: nine inch target. It's not hard, got it? And they

751
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 3: don't want you to take shots beyond about twenty five yards.

752
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, like if someone said, hey, is he a

753
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 3: good shot? And you said it's proficient, proficient, Yeah, yeah,

754
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: that feels right. Yeah, you know what you're doing, and

755
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: tell me to get so ten shots ten I think

756
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: it's ten from twenty yards and ten from fifteen yards

757
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: at a nine inch target?

758
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: Got it? And you got to hit do you gotta

759
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: do a background check and all that.

760
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: I don't think if you had to do a background

761
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: check it would have been maybe at the beginning. You

762
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: do have to take a bow hunter's safety course at

763
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 3: one point in your life, which is awesome because I

764
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: did that when I was like fourteen, and so when

765
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: I found out about the Urban Hunting Program and it

766
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: was like already November the first year, I was like,

767
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 3: I gotta do what now? And I was like, oh, man,

768
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: I did that? Hey Dad, didn't I do that? Isn't

769
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: that class you made me take?

770
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? Great?

771
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: Now I just got to go find my certificate. Okay,

772
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 3: but once you do that, so then so then it's

773
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: an incentive program. But but the landowners are participating, they

774
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: have to participate. Obviously there are parks and stuff. There

775
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 3: are parks, and there's a system for doing the park hunting.

776
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 3: I've always done private land hunting, either our backyard or

777
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: somebody I know. And then for this one, I locked.

778
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: I knocked a lot of doors. But yeah, there's parks.

779
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: What else do I need to add here? It's an

780
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: incentive system. So every year to get a urban buck

781
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 3: tag in the city of Des Moines, you got to

782
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: take three antlerless year.

783
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: The year before. Man, that's earn a buck on steroids. Yeah, yeah,

784
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: there's and it's different for because they're trying to lower

785
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: numbers and they don't want a lot of they don't

786
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: want a lot of funny business. Yeah that's right. And

787
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: they don't want big buck hunters flocking in.

788
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 3: No, they it's a it's a very like you got

789
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: to you got to earn that urban tag for a

790
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: antlered buck.

791
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so twenty twenty four and it resets I gather.

792
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 3: Yes, and it doesn't get that gets you into the lottery. Now,

793
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: most years. Oh, if you're in the lottery, most lottery, Yeah,

794
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: most years. If you're in you if you get the

795
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: three and you make it into the lottery, you will

796
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: get an urban buck tag. God, but you're not guaranteed.

797
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 3: You may not. And so most years I've gotten one,

798
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: but there's other years where you don't.

799
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: And how are you showing that you got the three deer?

800
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: You have to check them in. So it used to

801
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: be in person and then I don't remember if it

802
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: was COVID or not, but they switched it to an

803
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: online system. You got to you got to fill out

804
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: your tag, you got to do your time, and you

805
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: gotta submit photographs too, so that they have some certainty

806
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 3: that this is a fresh, unique deer each time.

807
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: Got it. So the first year participating in the urban hunt,

808
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: no chance for bucks. You got to do your three doughs.

809
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, yep.

810
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and uh And this year a guy sent

811
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: me a picture I'd put a post up. I was like, hey,

812
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 3: I'm uh, I'd never done that before. Usually just hunted

813
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 3: where hunted. Hey, I'm looking for a big buck in

814
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: des Moine. I've got my urban buck tag. If you

815
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 3: know anyone, let me know if you.

816
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: Know anyone that has a big bug I neighborhood, if

817
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: you've seen a big buck in your neighborhood, let me know.

818
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: And this guy had met at a party like ten

819
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 3: or fifteen years ago.

820
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: That's one of those ones where you're like, it's so stupid,

821
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: it might work, yeah exactly, because like, well, who would

822
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: want to tell another guy about a big buck?

823
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 3: And that's the thing.

824
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: But it might be just a guy that doesn't care.

825
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 3: Yes, well, and a lot of these people are like

826
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: that that that buck's eating my hostas.

827
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that buck, this that the other. Because if I

828
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: did an all company email, yeah yeah, And I said,

829
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: if anyone knows about large buck exactly, let me know, right,

830
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.

831
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get replies. Yeah, but this is

832
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: the city of Des Moines. People want you to take

833
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: a deer, right and uh, A lot of people are

834
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: just like yeah, here you go. Now there's not that many.

835
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: There's now most of the hunters that are in the

836
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 3: program who knew of this buck were like, hey, man,

837
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 3: good for you. I did a lot of work, so

838
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: he gave me one. I had one picture, man, I

839
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: hoofed it.

840
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: But there's no way the buck is only using one property.

841
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's he's all over. There are other people

842
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: that knew of him.

843
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 3: Actually the guy that measured him and and he this

844
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 3: is green measure. He measured two nine.

845
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so and he'd fill that is very very big.

846
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe we wait, should we.

847
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: Should? Well? Which which photo?

848
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: Or are we looking at the ones in the in the.

849
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: Dock, live live maybe trail.

850
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: In the autumn and the autumn of his life.

851
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: That's actually the picture he sent me.

852
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: That's literally the one he's like, Hey, this one lives

853
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: by me and so and so when I when I

854
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: when I came to and picked myself up up the

855
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: floor and looked again at that buck. He' said yeah,

856
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't want to waste your time,

857
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: but like this buck's hanging around, so it seems kind

858
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: of nice.

859
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, describe. I mean that just looks like a tang.

860
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're if you're listening, main mainframe ten pointer.

861
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: In this picture, you can see a one big drop

862
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: time and a second smaller brow time which you can't

863
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 3: see in this picture is actually a second drop coming

864
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: off of that same g one go yeah, and he

865
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: and and What's the funny thing in the picture is

866
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: he looks young, but it's because his rack is so

867
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: huge and he's in velvet, so you know, there's always

868
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: a little shrinkage, but not that much.

869
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: When he when the guy reaches out. When the guy

870
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: reaches out, yeah, well, first off, how far I'm not

871
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: familiar with des Moies. Like what he says, it's in

872
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: this area. This is an area you.

873
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm like, where do you live?

874
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: He gives me his address, like thank you. You know,

875
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: have you seen him other places? He's like no, I

876
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 3: think he's only seen him once or twice. And from

877
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:58,959
Speaker 3: that point I just go to work.

878
00:42:59,160 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: You know.

879
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: It's just this, This is scouting. It's just more complicated

880
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 3: when each postage stamp is another landowner. So I'm on

881
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: on X, I'm looking at where he lives. I'm looking at,

882
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: you know, topography, and figured out if I was a

883
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: buck over there, where would I go?

884
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: And I go.

885
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: I knocked doors, just cold knocked on people's doors. I

886
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 3: called people if I could get their phone numbers, just

887
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 3: called them up. Hey, my name is Rob. There's an

888
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: urban bow hunting program in de Moining to help.

889
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: Population controls all your prosecutor training. That's right.

890
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just opening with a story, you know, just

891
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: letting them know why I'm calling. And I'm wondering if

892
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: you're interested. I've been in the program for thirteen years.

893
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: It's never any issues for anybody. But I'm looking to

894
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 3: hunt in your area, and I'm wondering if you'd be

895
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 3: interested in letting me hunt on your property. Happy to

896
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 3: answer all your questions. Some of the average acreage, oh

897
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: these houses, I means than less than an acre for

898
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 3: a lot of them, now a handful of them more

899
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going out in the evenings

900
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 3: and knocking. I'm making phone calls. Some people are yes,

901
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: some people are now. Occasionally people know me. Like one

902
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: guy actually had my yard sign in his yard, so

903
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, my odds here.

904
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then on the other hand, there were folks

905
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: to you but yeah, I'll not hear about that, but

906
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: thank you for putting my yard signed up.

907
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 3: He's like, rap, sand, you're knocking my door. I was like, well, yes,

908
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: I am knocking your door, but you'll be surprised as

909
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 3: to why. And I'm setting up cameras, you know, trying

910
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: to figure out where where this guy is zero zeroing in.

911
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: And I had other people say, man, if I was

912
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: gonna let anybody hunt here, i'd let you. I'm with you,

913
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 3: But I'm not gonna let you hunt here, you know.

914
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 3: So it's just it totally depends, totally depends. Some couples,

915
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: you know, you'd have the wife would be the one

916
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 3: who's like, no, don't hunt your other couples is a

917
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 3: husband be the one who's like, no, we don't. I

918
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: don't want you to hunt here.

919
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: And so I'm just I'm I'm I'm hitting out, I'm

920
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: striking out here, I'm hitting singles here, setting up cameras

921
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: zeroing in over the course of probably six weeks and

922
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 1: summer time. Are you ever driving around and see.

923
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 3: It one time? Not driving but well, okay, I'm i'm am,

924
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 3: I'm on my bike. I'm either on my because I

925
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: would take bike rides in the neighborhood to scout. It

926
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: was bikeable from my house, and so I'd get on

927
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: my bike and instead of going east like I might

928
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 3: normally do, I'd go west and just bike around and

929
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: be like ooh, because you know, there's stuff you can't

930
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: see on on X you don't know, and you can

931
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: see the path and all that. So but one time

932
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: I drove into a property. I was going to go

933
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: knock the door, and I look over there and there's

934
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 3: one of the guys in his bachelor group, one of

935
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 3: the other bucks. Oh yeah, And so I was, you know,

936
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: hair on the back of my neck. It's like, all right, right,

937
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: we're in the right spot here. We're making progress. So

938
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 3: by the time we get to opening day, I got

939
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 3: three properties where I've had him moving in the daylight

940
00:45:54,080 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: on camera. What's opening day September sixteenth, something like that,

941
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 3: like middle of September, and I set up there's it's

942
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 3: been a southerly wind. So I set up on one

943
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: where I like my chances. I got permission from two

944
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: adjoining property owners. That's great because that means I can

945
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: be sitting in one, but it's a small property, so

946
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: I can shoot into the other. This is very helpful

947
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 3: because they both signed the document. You got to get

948
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 3: it signed document if you're doing private land.

949
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: I got an interrupt the story to say, well, clarifying question, Yeah,

950
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: what are the retrieval rules here?

951
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's just it's be so careful that

952
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 3: the rules. Well, so technically speaking, in state of Iowa,

953
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: if you have an animal that you have taken, you

954
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 3: have you have legal capacity to take the most direct

955
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: line to that animal across someone else's property. Now you

956
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 3: ask law enforcement about that, and smart law enforcement. I'll

957
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: tell you. Please ask. It's not that you have to

958
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 3: ask permission. Just tell them. We don't want some we

959
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 3: don't want altercations. We don't want someone out there with

960
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 3: a gun being like, what are you doing on my property?

961
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: So proper courtesy, best practice, knock on somebody's door. Now

962
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 3: I've been I've been lucky. I have never had to

963
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: I've never had an issue with that. You do got

964
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 3: to let folks know that you're hunting there, if you're

965
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: if you're like next door, and so a lot of

966
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 3: these folks when I would call them and be like, hey,

967
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 3: I'm going to be hunting in your neighborhood. You know

968
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 3: I'm interested also in hunting on your property. So there's

969
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 3: a notification.

970
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 1: In all these years though, I mean, when you shoot,

971
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: you have to put the arrow. I noticed that, Yeah,

972
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: there's an arrow. There's a mark on that buck where

973
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: that mark is supposed to be. But that's got to

974
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: be a real thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, you know you

975
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: can't be chasing them three hundred yards.

976
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 3: No, you got to be careful.

977
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So go on where were we you were?

978
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: You had two properties, shoot onto the other one.

979
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I got adjoining landowners, they both so

980
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 3: to do private you got to have them sign a document,

981
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: you know, the city's official document. The city's got to

982
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: come out and inspect the property and say like, okay,

983
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 3: these distances, separation requirements. Everything's good, all right, Yeah, yeah,

984
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 3: they're well. I mean I was hunting not far. You know,

985
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 3: this is urban hunting, right, Like the guys at Seek one,

986
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: you know they talk about about this. You got all

987
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 3: these new variables. Dogs, right, I've had dogs chase away

988
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 3: a buck before. You got people out there on a

989
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 3: walk in a park. You could have a biker out

990
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 3: there if you're in a park. And so they're real

991
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 3: careful about where people go. So opening day, I go

992
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: out that first full weekend, I sit Saturday twice, I

993
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 3: sit Sunday twice. Sunday morning, two minutes into hunting light,

994
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 3: I've been in my stand for forty five minutes.

995
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: There is is that him? Is it him?

996
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: And you know like, you know how when you're right

997
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 3: at hunting light, it's like, if you're in a field, great,

998
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: plenty of light, but if you're in the woods, still

999
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: not there. And because remember I mentioned I had seen

1000
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: his buddy in his bachelor group, the buddy in his

1001
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 3: bachelor group had one of the same drop times, narrower frame,

1002
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 3: shorter times, but close enough that at two minutes into

1003
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: hunting light under a bunch.

1004
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: Of oak trees, I'm like, is it him? Is it him? God?

1005
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: And I wait and I wait, and I probably wait

1006
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 3: three minutes. That's probably all it takes for me to

1007
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: be like, it's him. And by the time i'm drawn,

1008
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 3: he's out of range.

1009
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: So that's that. Oh, it was him. It was him.

1010
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: It was him.

1011
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 3: But I'm waiting because if I it was the buddy.

1012
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: Wasn't You were worried about the looklike buddy.

1013
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: I was worried about the look like buddy because I noticed, Okay,

1014
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 3: this looks like him. It's a it's a big mature

1015
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: You wanted to make sure it was not, Yeah, because

1016
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 3: there is no you get your one, you know, and

1017
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 3: I didn't want to screw this up.

1018
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: And you paused, and there goes your opportunity.

1019
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I'm glad I did it. Yeah, you know,

1020
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: but there he went. So what A week later, I'm

1021
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 3: setting up a stand on another property and I turn

1022
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: around in the areas so I freeze, can't move. I'm

1023
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 3: there for ten minutes. Finally he just wanders away. And

1024
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 3: so I had two sightings on him, and then the

1025
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: next and then so let's see, So the first two weekends,

1026
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 3: I'm out literally, I'm sitting Saturday till noon, lunch break,

1027
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: hang out with my family, my family a little bit,

1028
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 3: go out, sit for the afternoon into the evening both

1029
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: Saturday and Sunday, skipping church. Lord forgive me. Uh October

1030
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 3: then and then I see him twice in that timeframe.

1031
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 3: And then like this first weekend in October, there's this

1032
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 3: cold front coming in. I'm like, all right, this is it.

1033
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: And I'm running for governor. By the way, at the

1034
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: same time, I'm doing one hundred public town halls, one

1035
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: in every single county across the state. And as this

1036
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 3: cold front is coming in, by the way, I'm sitting,

1037
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 3: I'm getting him on camera. Steve, it's eighty five degrees.

1038
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: But why are you already running for governor?

1039
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: Then?

1040
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 3: How long you got to run find isn't that stupid?

1041
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 3: Eighteen months?

1042
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: You run for governor for eighteen months.

1043
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 3: I wasn't even the first person in the race, but yeah,

1044
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 3: campaigns are that long these days.

1045
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're running for governor hunting.

1046
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 3: I'm running for governor hunting and doing my day job

1047
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: and trying to be a dad and a husband. Yeah,

1048
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 3: some days are better than others. But you know, I'm

1049
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: doing all these town halls all across the states. I

1050
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: travel a lot, and here comes this cold front. Finally,

1051
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: because again, this buck, this is a two hundred nine

1052
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 3: inch buck. He's moving in eighty five degree heat. I've

1053
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 3: got him on camera, you know. And so I'm out

1054
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 3: there just sweating, sitting at my stand, praying that I'll

1055
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: be in the shade because if the sun hits me,

1056
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 3: it's over. But finally we get this cold front coming in,

1057
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 3: and I'm like, Okay, this is it because I got

1058
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 3: basically a day to hunt this cold front. After that,

1059
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: I'm on the road and what I'm thinking is, you know,

1060
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 3: I know there's other people who are looking for this buck.

1061
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 3: I bet I've been. This is part of the reason

1062
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: I'm hunting so hard, because if I don't get him.

1063
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 3: When this cold front hits, he's probably going to be

1064
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 3: moving more and someone else is going to put their

1065
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: tag on him, which good for them if that's what happens,

1066
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 3: Good for them. But I'm working hard when By the way,

1067
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 3: I've never done much early season hunting before big fan

1068
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 3: now because you can go out after work and you

1069
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 3: still got two hours of daylight. Oh, which one of

1070
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 3: the cool things about urban hunting. No, it's not like

1071
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 3: dark at five o'clock. Yeah, and your commute to your

1072
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 3: standards five minutes, so you're just like, all right, well,

1073
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 3: drive over there and climb up. There's one property that

1074
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 3: I hunt where i'm I'm I drive into a parking

1075
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: lot at like a printing chop, and there's this chunk

1076
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 3: of woods over there, and I just drive in back

1077
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: park in the back corner, and I walk about thirty

1078
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: yards and I'm in my tree. Can see your car, Yeah,

1079
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 3: I can see my car. I can see people come

1080
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 3: out for their smoke brakes. You know, like all these

1081
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 3: different variables that just make the urban stuff a little

1082
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 3: bit more complicated.

1083
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: You got to do an episode urban Hunting Station.

1084
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a trip. I mean yeah, I'd have Yeah,

1085
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: it's a trip. I'd like, dude, I'd be nerve. I'd

1086
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: be it'd be nerve wracking. I I'd be all all

1087
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,479
Speaker 1: I'd be sitting there is being like, man, I don't

1088
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: want to trail the deer all through the neighborhood. I

1089
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: do know a guy.

1090
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 3: I do know a guy I used to work with

1091
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 3: who was at the Attorney General's office who had a

1092
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 3: bad experience where somebody did not have fantastic arrow placement. Yeah,

1093
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 3: and the and the deer, I think with an arrow

1094
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 3: and it came into his backyard. But that is I've

1095
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: been doing this urban program, I think for thirteen years.

1096
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: That's actually the only story I know. God of a

1097
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 3: bad thing.

1098
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, because probably people take it. They're so aware of

1099
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 1: the problem they probably self limit. Yeah.

1100
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and everyone who's in this program, it's a it's

1101
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 3: a cool thing to be able to do. And so

1102
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 3: we're we're careful, you know. So cold front. It's raining.

1103
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 3: I go out in the morning, it's raining, I soak

1104
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 3: through my boots. I come in for midday break, go

1105
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 3: back out, put on my insulated boots instead, climb back up.

1106
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 3: It's and then it just opens up it's dump and rain.

1107
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, he's not gonna move in this kind

1108
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 3: of weather. So climb out thirty yards to my truck

1109
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 3: in this in this guy's driveway. Sit in my truck

1110
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: for forty five minutes. It lightens up. It's still raining,

1111
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 3: but it lightens up. I'm like, all right, we got

1112
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 3: forty five minutes. Here, go back out there, climb back up.

1113
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 3: You know, I'm sitting there for ten minutes to look up.

1114
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 3: There he is, and what's you do rubbing? And I'm like, okay,

1115
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 3: here we go. It's still it's still it's still coming down,

1116
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 3: but it's not it's not terribly heavy. And the angle

1117
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 3: he's at, the spot he's at, I have to get.

1118
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 3: I'm in this really unique tree that like juts out,

1119
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 3: and so I have my climbing sticks up to here

1120
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 3: and then I can stand here even though the tree

1121
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 3: keeps going one I'm like, I need to get lower.

1122
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 3: So I get onto my top climbing stick and I

1123
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 3: take like I take like two steps down. I'm at

1124
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 3: full draw and I slip. Now I do saddle hunting,

1125
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 3: and so I'm always trying to keep my weight in

1126
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 3: my saddle and so instead of falling, I just twist

1127
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 3: out around the tree.

1128
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha at full draw. I'm just I'm just on

1129
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: a ride, because yes, yes, I'm just on this really

1130
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: exciting ride.

1131
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 3: And uh, I quit swinging. I bumped the tree, but

1132
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 3: it's rating and I didn't make much noise because again

1133
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 3: there's no hook. My weight is already in the saddle. Yeah,

1134
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 3: it's kind of swing out. I stop swinging. I let down.

1135
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 3: I just get myself back onto my climbing stick. I

1136
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 3: look over. He's still rubbing. No idea draw, that's it.

1137
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 3: Forty yards yeah, still raining. So and the best part

1138
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: about this because you go back to, you know, the

1139
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 3: importance of just your hunting in an urban area. You

1140
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 3: really don't want to upset people. Yeah, yeah, I'm hunting

1141
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 3: at a property where the driveway has a retaining wall

1142
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: that backs up to it, so I can back my

1143
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 3: pickup up, lower the tailgate, and without having to field

1144
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: dressed the deer in the rain out in the sky's yard,

1145
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: just drag him in like a loading bay, yes, a

1146
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 3: literal loading bay for two hundred nine inch bucks. And

1147
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 3: then words, you head my dad's place. He got me

1148
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 3: into hunting. It was pretty cool to take that take

1149
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 3: him over, and I you know, I've been like, well,

1150
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 3: I mean Grant too. But like there were people that

1151
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 3: I was texting about this buck, like I was going hard.

1152
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 3: I've never and I'm not a this is the first

1153
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 3: time really that I had like a People say, you know,

1154
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 3: target buck. I've never really had like a target buck.

1155
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 3: I'll kind of I'm I might set up some cameras

1156
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 3: kind of see who's around and be like, oh, I'd

1157
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 3: shoot that if I saw it. But I'm not naming things.

1158
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 3: You know, I usually go out in November, I'm busy.

1159
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,479
Speaker 1: What'd you name him? Be honest with you. He didn't

1160
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: have a name. No, now is just like the buck.

1161
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean his name now is two o nine.

1162
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: But but like you know, my dad, it was one

1163
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: of the people I'm texting with right, Like he got

1164
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: me into bow hunting when I was a teenager. And

1165
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: it was really cool to be able to pull up

1166
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: that picture that you've got up there is we are

1167
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: in his driveway, you know.

1168
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 3: And uh it was, and so my dad and I

1169
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 3: are just flipping out. We get to that's the family history. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1170
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 3: and my dad so he my dad's the first generation hunter.

1171
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: I'm almost certain like he might. He might have done squirrel.

1172
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: And obviously you go back enough generations and everybody's doing it.

1173
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 3: But my grandpa, Bob, his dad wasn't a bow hunter anyways,

1174
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: wasn't it wasn't a deer hunter. But my dad got

1175
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 3: me into bow hunting and we'd go out and do squirrel.

1176
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 3: We do a lot of fishing together too, But it

1177
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 3: was a pretty cool thing to share that with him.

1178
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: So did you just grab that thing and just drag

1179
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: it over to the retaining wall? Yes, and just out

1180
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 1: of there quick. Yeah.

1181
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 3: Rain, it's raining. I'm wet. I don't want to be

1182
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 3: out here any longer than I have to. And and

1183
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,479
Speaker 3: I mean, you think about this stuff and it's like, look,

1184
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 3: you're gonna leave a gut pile out in a guy's property.

1185
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: No, you don't want to, might you? Yeah?

1186
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: But when I can just do this, then I don't

1187
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 3: have to worry about it.

1188
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I think discreet is the way.

1189
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 3: To go, especially if you want to get permission again

1190
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 3: for next year, you know.

1191
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to jump something for listeners. Before we

1192
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: started recording, Rob saying here shared with me that he

1193
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: well he could share with you your tax during your plan,

1194
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: which I think is not good.

1195
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: But oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I want the taxidermist and

1196
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 3: I'm open minded. But I shot this thing in the

1197
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 3: rain and that if you look at that picture, it's

1198
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 3: that you know, the rack's got a nice shine on it,

1199
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 3: and I talked to the taxidermist about making it look

1200
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 3: like that when it's done, like kind of like a

1201
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 3: lacquer on it to give it a shine. Steve thinks

1202
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 3: that's a dumb idea.

1203
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: Really, you can't. You'd be corrupting it. You can't paint

1204
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: the antlers. Well, like maybe you could rub a little

1205
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: what's that stuff that when your mom when you're like

1206
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: a little kid, your mom would sprayed on the wood

1207
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: furniture old English, Oh like whatever, spray the wood furniture. Yeah,

1208
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: with an aerosol can. Yeah, I mean maybe now and

1209
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: then a touch, but it's you don't want to generate

1210
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: your children. Yeah, child, what in the world is all

1211
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: over the antlers.

1212
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: In that picture?

1213
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: There's a nice shine And they'll take there's a nice

1214
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: shine the laquer paint. They're not gonna because it was raining. No,

1215
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: they'll know the answer. They'll know the answer. So I'll

1216
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: just be the you lackrit it and it was dumb.

1217
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: I had I had one buck with a big Roman nose,

1218
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: and I had him recreate the Roman nose.

1219
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 3: I I just to me that it's not when when

1220
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 3: you when you do a shoulder mount. It's not just

1221
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 3: this is that deer, but it's this is that moment.

1222
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: And I always like to tell people, by the way,

1223
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: you want to see the rest of them.

1224
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 3: Come on into the State Auditor's office. I like to

1225
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 3: call it the public sector Cabella's. You walk in and

1226
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, a lot of deer in here, and

1227
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 3: a buffalo, then a turkey. But to me, that mount

1228
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 3: is like if you can have it, be that moment

1229
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 3: and bring that moment back, that's that's unique.

1230
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: You know. An argument you could be laying on me

1231
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: that I would buy, h huh is if you were

1232
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: saying to me, listen, man, it's my buck. That's how

1233
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: I want it. Oh yeah, because that's how I remember it. Yeah,

1234
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: but I'm stuck thinking about posterity. Yeah, future generations being

1235
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: why grample the deer, that's right.

1236
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: That's right, have like a spray bottle and every now

1237
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: and then.

1238
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 3: Just moist like a plant, like a plant.

1239
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: Yes, now that you say to your friends, you say

1240
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: your friends or future generations just say, hey, you want

1241
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: to see what it looked like when I shot it,

1242
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: and it just spreads.

1243
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 3: Hey, I'll tell me. I'll tell my son world, I'll

1244
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 3: tell my sons. Hey, buddy, you got to water the

1245
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 3: plants and the buck and the two O nine.

1246
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: I love that because everybody wants to see what it

1247
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: looked like when I got it in the rain. I

1248
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: love that. I love that idea. Yeah, that's the idea.

1249
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 3: You know, we'll see they haven't tried it before, and

1250
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1251
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: You know.

1252
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 3: One of the things I was thinking about when with

1253
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 3: uh Brooklyn sitting here is like, how much do you practice?

1254
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: You know?

1255
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 3: I need to find somebody who's willing to just just

1256
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 3: runry dry run in that before I do it on

1257
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 3: that one.

1258
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they can just take some other little sheds

1259
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: or take some racks and try to figure out a

1260
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: good right John Hayes Bill help you with that. I

1261
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: don't know who that Hayes tax urmy studio. All right,

1262
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: all right, if you want to drive it here and

1263
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: very far from here, it's a wrong direction. It's a

1264
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: scovil Taxidermy Scovel Taxadermy and Warren County, Iowa. He's in

1265
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: the same state, but he's real far away right here, right,

1266
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: all right? If you factor in so, factor in uh,

1267
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: factor in people that would be jealous, factor in people

1268
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: that would be just uncomfortable or opposed to hunting, and

1269
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: then factor in people that would just love it that

1270
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: you got that buck. Yeah, yeah, just getting the big buck.

1271
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: If you had the way out in your head like

1272
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: here I am, I'm running for covenor. Is getting the

1273
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: big buck net positive or net negative? Because a lot

1274
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: of guys are gonna be like, he don't deserve that

1275
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: big buck. That's right, I should have gotten that big buck.

1276
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm not voting for him. There is a guy that

1277
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: definitely was was definitely saying that. One guy definitely saying that,

1278
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: and some people are like, how could he hurt that

1279
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: beautiful thing? Correct? I just literally replied to somebody about that.

1280
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm threads today, Okay, you know, I was like, how

1281
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: could you do this? I mean, it's one thing if

1282
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: you're eating it, but you're just hunting from now. The

1283
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: law in the state of Iowa literally is you have

1284
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: to you can't waste the meat.

1285
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 3: It's just there's an sounding level of lack of curiosity

1286
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 3: right about hunting, you know this, like people who just

1287
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 3: don't know like you, you have to you have to

1288
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 3: eat the animal. It's literally the law in the state

1289
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 3: of Iowa. People don't know that salvage requirements yep, that too,

1290
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 3: that too. I don't know how it breaks down to me.

1291
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 3: I love hunting. I like to talk about things that

1292
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 3: I love. My social media presence, whatever channel you're on,

1293
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 3: it's probably robsand Ia, although I think on TikTok it's

1294
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 3: Rob's hand Iowa. But my social media presence is like

1295
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 3: I am a human being. I will put up a

1296
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,479
Speaker 3: post about the brito that I had for lunch, I'll

1297
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 3: put up a post about going hunting, and then I'm

1298
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 3: gonna put up a post about how dumb it was

1299
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 3: to make it so that the auditor can't look at

1300
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 3: mispent tax money, you know, like it's it's just like

1301
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 3: these are basically like me. They're my accounts, and I

1302
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 3: understand that some people that might make them upset, but

1303
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 3: like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna not be who

1304
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 3: I am, are going to be who I am. And

1305
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 3: if some people don't like it, that's okay, but other

1306
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 3: people do. The other thing is and I kind of

1307
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 3: like this. I love the idea of surprising people when

1308
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 3: it comes to partisanship expectations. Yeah right, yeah, I like

1309
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 3: that all that stuff you talked about, right, was like, Oh,

1310
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 3: look at this guy. He sounds like a Republican, but

1311
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 3: he's a Democrat. Do you know what I sound those

1312
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 3: descriptions to me? I'm like, that just sounds like somebody

1313
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 3: from small town Iowa. Like a lot of people in

1314
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 3: small town Iowa do that. Those values, those traditions, those

1315
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 3: don't belong to a political party. And I love the

1316
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 3: idea of being like out there is like, yeah, I

1317
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 3: am a Democrat. Yeah, I do like to hunt.

1318
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: Now.

1319
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 3: I'm also out there as someone who thinks that we

1320
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 3: should end the special legal privileges of the Democratic and

1321
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 3: the Republican parties. I've yet to hear a good reason

1322
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 3: for why we are stuck having the lesser of two

1323
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 3: evils on every freaking ballot and feeling like, well, you know,

1324
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 3: you've never done a thing for me, but boy, this

1325
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 3: one I really don't like. So I guess I have

1326
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 3: to vote for you, right, But uh, like I was.

1327
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 3: I was an independent when I first registered to vote.

1328
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 3: I realized not long after that that in Iowa to

1329
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 3: vote in the primary, you have to join a party.

1330
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: It's a close it's called close. You got it, closed primary.

1331
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 1: Can I swear on this program? Yeah, like, don't say

1332
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: anything crazy campaign. I just won't swear then. No, no, you

1333
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: swear a little bits. That's a terrible idea. This is America.

1334
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: You're going to be like it was BS.

1335
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say I could have got that

1336
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 3: is BS.

1337
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: Hogwash is good.

1338
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're telling me.

1339
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: That's the less common one for Iowa. We got a

1340
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: lot of hogwash. We got less horse, Bucky.

1341
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 3: You're telling me in America, where we celebrate Independence Day,

1342
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 3: we're going to tell independent voters that they are less

1343
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 3: equal and they don't get to participate in our democracy.

1344
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 3: That's hogwash, right, Yeah.

1345
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: But that's what it is.

1346
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 3: We have these we have these close primaries. Guys, we

1347
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 3: have two private clubs that run the United States of America.

1348
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 3: That's what it is. It is absolutely wrong, and I

1349
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 3: think we should change it.

1350
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: But I did.

1351
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 3: I registered as a Democrat because I think Jesus is

1352
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 3: for the little guy and my perception, particular at the

1353
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,439
Speaker 3: time of the Democratic Party is that was the party

1354
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 3: for the little guy. I'm trying to make it stay

1355
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 3: that way. And I also remember Clinton when he was

1356
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 3: president as a Democrat, balancing the budget and using the

1357
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 3: surplus to in part to pay down the debt. And

1358
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 3: I was like a teenager, and I just remember thinking, like, oh, thanks,

1359
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 3: because I don't have to pay for all that someday,

1360
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 3: you know. And those are the reasons basically that our

1361
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 3: registered as a Democrat for the most part. Also, as

1362
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 3: a guy that liked to hunt and fish, I was like, well,

1363
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 3: they want to keep the places I like to hunt

1364
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 3: and fish clean and pure. And that's good too, but

1365
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 3: that doesn't change the fact that, like, why should I

1366
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 3: have to join a private club to exercise my sacred

1367
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:44,439
Speaker 3: right to vote?

1368
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: That's messed up. Yeah, That's one of the thing I

1369
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: talked about very when I talk about my own politics often,

1370
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: or I talk about sort of the politics of hunting

1371
01:06:54,560 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: and fishing. Often describe a put it negatively, I'll say,

1372
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: you always have to be paranoid. Yeah. To put it positively,

1373
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: which I never do, it would be that each side

1374
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: helps you out in some ways. That's right. But yes,

1375
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: when it comes to environmental protections, clean air, clean water,

1376
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: right habitat preservation, we find a lot of friends in

1377
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. When it comes to acceptance support of

1378
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: the culture of hunting, firearm rights, people that are kind

1379
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: of like out there and proud of outdoor heritage, we

1380
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: find a lot of friends in the Republican Party. But

1381
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: at the same time, I just I don't want to

1382
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: use the word hate. I do not like. I don't

1383
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: like the two party system. And it's not even the

1384
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: system that bugs me. What bugs me is the way

1385
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: the system enforces itself. Yes, do you know what I mean?

1386
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: The way you have to It drives people insane if

1387
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: you don't take all your views and fit them into

1388
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: the box.

1389
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 3: Get in the box.

1390
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: And when you see someone in the political world, when

1391
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: you see them, it's it's painful to watch when you

1392
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: see someone and they get to the point where they go, Man,

1393
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 1: I need to start pretending I think a thing I

1394
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: don't think, because here I am in this complex world

1395
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: and I need to BOXI five. So it's not it's

1396
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: not even the parties I have a problem with. It's

1397
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: not the two party system. I have a party with

1398
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: I have a problem with how organized, and so there's.

1399
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,839
Speaker 3: A there's a reinforcing culture around the two party system.

1400
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and I say that at every one of

1401
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 3: my town halls, we go in hard on how broken

1402
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 3: that system is because it tells us there's only two

1403
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 3: ways to think to your point, Yeah, we know, that's ridiculous.

1404
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 3: There's literally five people in their room. That's five ways

1405
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 3: to think right now. And so we start these things out,

1406
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,759
Speaker 3: we do, you know, we say the system is broken.

1407
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 3: You've all been invited here to help change it. So

1408
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 3: raise your hand. If you're a Republican, we clap for

1409
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 3: the Republicans who are in attendance. Raise your hand. If

1410
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 3: you're an independent voter, we clap for the independent voters

1411
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 3: who are in attendance. And then say, I'm all big

1412
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 3: on fairness, So let's clap for the Democrats too, right,

1413
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 3: And then let's prove to ourselves but also to everyone

1414
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 3: else who wants us to hate each other, because then

1415
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 3: we're easier to control. Let's prove to everyone that we all,

1416
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 3: despite our differences, can work together. Let's sing the first

1417
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 3: verse of America, the beautiful Oh yeah, and so a

1418
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 3: hundred times across the state of Iowa this year. We

1419
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 3: did that. I don't lead it. The point is we

1420
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 3: all sing. My microphone is like, you know, down by

1421
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 3: my knees, and it's a wonderful moment for people to

1422
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 3: just have this. Hold on a second, that's right. We

1423
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 3: can just do this differently. Yeah, And usually by the

1424
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 3: time that's over, there's one person in the audience you

1425
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 3: can find who's having an experience, like feeling something right.

1426
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 3: That's what I want us to push towards. I mean,

1427
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 3: I look at what we did, what they did in

1428
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 3: the state of Iowa, and I'm like, they literally are

1429
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 3: so comfortable thinking that this is going to be one

1430
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 3: party control forever that they passed the law that auditors

1431
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 3: around the United States of all political persuasions said will

1432
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 3: increase waste found abuse because they think they own this thing.

1433
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 3: You know, the two party system fundamentally is broken. And

1434
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 3: you pick an issue, right, could be water quality, could

1435
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 3: be Second Amendment. Part of the issues around that issue

1436
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 3: are where they are, and they are the magnitude that

1437
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 3: they are because the incentive in the political system is

1438
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 3: for people to throw bombs at each other and have

1439
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 3: a food fight instead of actually sitting down and saying, hey,

1440
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 3: let's figure out how we're going to solve this problem.

1441
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 3: And if you break down those special legal privileges that

1442
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 3: the Democratic and the Republican parties have and you give

1443
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 3: us a real market for political candidates, we'll start to

1444
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,600
Speaker 3: see changes where we are in more control. We the

1445
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 3: people are in more control of the politicians rather than

1446
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 3: feeling like we're sort of stuck into supporting them. Yeah,

1447
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 3: that's my number one thing. Any other issue gets fixed

1448
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 3: more easily when you have as system that's actually responsive

1449
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 3: to the people.

1450
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: What does it look like when you're doing this as

1451
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 1: you as you campaign, I'm not I'm not even clear

1452
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: on how you guys haven't got to the primary yet,

1453
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 1: no next June. How many people are in that there's

1454
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,879
Speaker 1: a Well, we'll.

1455
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 3: Find out because the the qualifying for the ballot thing

1456
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 3: like filing your paperwork to get on the ballot for

1457
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 3: the primary, happens in like February February March. So maximum three,

1458
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 3: one of them.

1459
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: Is maximum three.

1460
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 3: Well, who have announced, oh there could be any number

1461
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 3: three on the Democratic side have announced. One's a nice

1462
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 3: guy named Paul that's announced for many offices. And I'm

1463
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 3: not sure that he's ever collected enough signatures.

1464
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: Uh.

1465
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 3: The others a lovely nady named Julie that I've known

1466
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 3: for years and I think the world of and and

1467
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 3: then there's me, got it.

1468
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so this all plays out in November, so

1469
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: so primary in June and then yeah, same data as

1470
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: the midterms for the for the the election.

1471
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 3: And then on the Republican side, there's five candidates over there,

1472
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, close to five.

1473
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: Five. Krinn sent me a thing where you draw you

1474
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: were drawing a distinction between politics and public service. Yes,

1475
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: what's you take on that?

1476
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of the piece of what we're talking

1477
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 3: about here, right is, you know, politics is passing a

1478
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 3: law that everybody who's an expert in auditing degrees is

1479
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 3: going to make it harder to find misspent money public services.

1480
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 3: The six Republicans and the Iowa House that voted against that,

1481
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 3: despite the fact that their party wanted them to support it.

1482
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 3: Good good for the six of them. They stood up

1483
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 3: to do the right thing. I'm proud of every one

1484
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 3: of them. And I look at every one of them

1485
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 3: and I see, you know, yeah, we can have disagreements,

1486
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 3: but you showed some courage on that day.

1487
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: Good for you.

1488
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 3: Public service is John McCain taking the microphone away from

1489
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 3: that woman back in the debates when she was like,

1490
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 3: you know, saying what I don't remember what it was specifically,

1491
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 3: but like some kind of conspiracy theory about Obama. He

1492
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 3: takes a microphone, he says, ma'am, and he just sort

1493
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 3: of says, he says something positive about his opponent. That's

1494
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:30,520
Speaker 3: public service. What you're saying is a class act man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1495
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 3: Like that's that to me, is that's that's public service.

1496
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 3: So much of the pushes around party, show me people

1497
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 3: who want to do it right, you know, show me

1498
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 3: people who were there not to be a Democrat or

1499
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 3: a Republican, but to try to do the right thing,

1500
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 3: figure out what the truth is, and then do the

1501
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 3: right thing. Those are the people that I want to

1502
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 3: work with. I don't care if they're Democrats or Republicans

1503
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 3: or independents or whatever. I want to work with people

1504
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 3: who just are focused on like I'm trying to I'm

1505
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 3: trying to do this, I'm trying to be right.

1506
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: Here's a good example.

1507
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 3: I'll toot my own horn here. I got elected in

1508
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. First decision was who am I going to

1509
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 3: put into two highest positions in the Auditor's office. I

1510
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 3: picked an independent and a Republican who had made campaign

1511
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 3: contributions to my opponent.

1512
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so.

1513
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 3: I put them in those highest positions because I want

1514
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 3: to be a state author that's serving the whole state.

1515
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 3: And I want everybody to know that whether or not

1516
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 3: you supported me is not the determinant of whether or

1517
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 3: not I'm going to listen to you, got it, And

1518
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 3: I am here to serve everybody.

1519
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: Now, people who like politics are like, Rob, that's the

1520
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 1: wrong way to do this. You're supposed to punish the

1521
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: people to oppose you. What do you do when you're crazy?

1522
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 3: And my attitude to that is like, well, I'm not

1523
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 3: trying to accumulate all the power. I'm trying to just

1524
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,759
Speaker 3: do the right thing, like the concept of statesmanship, right, Like, Okay,

1525
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 3: the election's over, I won mean or meaner, Too bad

1526
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 3: for you, But come on board. Even a broken clock

1527
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 3: is right twice a day. You can be a part

1528
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 3: of this too. I want your input. Every once in

1529
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 3: a while, I'm almost slightly incorrect. What's your family think about?

1530
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: This? Is your wife sweating it?

1531
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 3: If you win? You know, it's a great question. She understands,

1532
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 3: she's a believer in it. She understands why it's important.

1533
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 3: She thinks we need a new direction in the state

1534
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 3: of Iowa. She doesn't love it. She's got her own

1535
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 3: actually her she runs her family business, which actually is

1536
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 3: all about improving the efficiency of the food system.

1537
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: You appreciate it.

1538
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 3: I like to describe it as using the every part

1539
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 3: of the proverbial buffalo. Oh so they take materials from

1540
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 3: slaughterhouses around the United States and figure out something they could.

1541
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,759
Speaker 1: Do with it. Oh really yeah, yeah, yeah, it's rendering

1542
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: and whatnot. On one of the things they do is

1543
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: rendering God. Yeah, no, kid, Yeah, she.

1544
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 3: Works there running it and so and so, you know

1545
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 3: she did.

1546
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: Politicians always say they're going to ask their wife or whatever.

1547
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 1: They're gonna talk to their wife. They're gonna ask their

1548
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: wife her. Do you actually go do that? Do they do?

1549
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 1: Do they go say like, hey, can I run for governor?

1550
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 3: The distinction I would make is the people who were like,

1551
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 3: we sat down with our children and had a family discussion.

1552
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 3: I'm always like, really, your children, we sent our shout

1553
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 3: for family discussion.

1554
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: That's see. You guys gotta go in the other room.

1555
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a family discussion, older yours, my daughter's

1556
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: I got a I got a ten. My daughter's thirteen

1557
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: in a couple of days, and I got a fifteen

1558
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 1: years right, Okay, so we got two boys, they're nine

1559
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: and eleven. We have the family discussion. Then they come

1560
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: in and we tell them what it was there, We

1561
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:39,919
Speaker 1: tell them what was that's a lot closer.

1562
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 3: That's a lot closer, and we'll explain why this decision

1563
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 3: was made.

1564
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: Right, and my like, no, we're not going to Disneyland.

1565
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: And there's a thousand reasons why, but the biggest one

1566
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,640
Speaker 1: is we don't like Disneyland. Our boys actually thankfully have

1567
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: never asked to go to Disneyland. But but no, like

1568
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: will she and I talk about this absolutely, you know,

1569
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: that's it's a big decision. She's the same with running

1570
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: for state auditor too, you know, lower, lower office.

1571
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 3: But still a big decision. When when politicians are like

1572
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 3: we sat down and we listened to our kids to

1573
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 3: I'm like, really, you let a nine year old decide,

1574
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 3: like what you're gonna do with your life?

1575
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: You run for higher yeah, or any office any It's

1576
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: like yeah, right, no, right.

1577
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 3: City council. I just be like, well, my kid, my

1578
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 3: kid is a child. They don't understand what this means.

1579
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 3: This is a big decision and it's important. We will

1580
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 3: let them know what we've decided, similar to you. Yeah,

1581
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 3: and no, they're not in the room, because if they're

1582
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 3: in the room when Christina and I are talking about it,

1583
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 3: then they're gonna have input regardless.

1584
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Man. The part about it that really

1585
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: gets me is, uh, maybe it hasn't happened yet, but god,

1586
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 1: you gotta get some thick skin man.

1587
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1588
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 1: Because towards the end, dude, they get ugly. They do,

1589
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,759
Speaker 1: they do. They're gonna be like, his book wasn't that big?

1590
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 4: It measured two o seven. They're like, not net, that's right,

1591
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 4: that's right. He's told you it was two o nine.

1592
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 4: But that's gross. And we don't mean I'm saying girls

1593
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 4: score a lot of that stuff.

1594
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: You know. I've spent seven years in courtrooms, plenty of

1595
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: plenty of criminal defendants and defense attorneys, you know, telling

1596
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,719
Speaker 1: people wrong about this or did a terrible job on that.

1597
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 3: That's okay. I've run two campaigns already. I'm accustomed to it.

1598
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 3: To a certain degree. But then there's also I mean,

1599
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 3: the ultimate thing to me is just the serenity prayer.

1600
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 3: I can't control what other people say about me. This

1601
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 3: is a great rule for my serenity prayer, you know,

1602
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 3: and I'll probably screw it up, but it's something to

1603
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 3: the effect of God grant me the oh, the courage

1604
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 3: a change the things I can, the wisdom, no, the

1605
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:53,839
Speaker 3: serenity to accept the things I cannot. Know the difference, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1606
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 3: I can't control what other people say about me. I

1607
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 3: know they're gonna lie about me. They're lying about me already.

1608
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 3: All I could do is live my life and make

1609
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 3: my own decisions and be honest with people about what

1610
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 3: I believe and what I think we need to be doing.

1611
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 3: And if they pick me, great. If they don't, that's

1612
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 3: the right.

1613
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: You can be like, screw y'all, I'm going hunting. That's right.

1614
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 3: There are many days where let's not even get into it.

1615
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: So would you be able to be like would you

1616
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: be able to be the hunting like a hunting governor?

1617
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I just would be so. So both of

1618
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,440
Speaker 3: my jobs as both state auditor and as a prosecutor,

1619
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 3: I can find ways sitting quiet in in a tree

1620
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 3: stand to be productive.

1621
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 1: Back in the.

1622
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 3: Day when I was prosecuting and I'd have to like

1623
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 3: maybe listen to a witnesses interview, Well I'll go listen

1624
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 3: with one one one ear piece in while I'm in

1625
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 3: a tree stand reading. I can read audit reports while

1626
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 3: I'm in a tree stand on a tablet, you know,

1627
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 3: on a and that works fine. I can read them

1628
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 3: print it out. So there's a there's a way to

1629
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 3: balance things. It's also just a really good place to

1630
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 3: do some thinking. Just you're into you're in the woods,

1631
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 3: you're by yourself. No, maybe you're thirty feet from a

1632
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,799
Speaker 3: parking lot, but it's not that different.

1633
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 1: What are some environmental issues that that I mean, I

1634
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 1: know you're got I think so often a policy on

1635
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: at federal level.

1636
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh sure, sure, sure.

1637
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: Well local like I think about things in my state,

1638
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: I think about things in Alaska a lot, and I

1639
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: think federal. So so you're whatever you bring up, I'm

1640
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: probably not gonna know what it is. But give me

1641
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: an example of of a habitat issue, an environmental issue

1642
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 1: that's going on where you're at, how you look at it,

1643
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: how you talk about it to people.

1644
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 3: We've got a We've got a very much a percolating

1645
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 3: issue with water quality right now. We've got a water

1646
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 3: quality problem in Iowa, record beach closures this summer, very

1647
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 3: high nitrate levels, just egg runoff. A lot of it

1648
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 3: is egg runoff, but it's not exclusively agron off. And

1649
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 3: the important thing I always try to get people to

1650
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 3: remember is farmers are signing up for conservation programs and

1651
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 3: getting turned away because these politicians won't put in the funding.

1652
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: And to me, that's been a huge that that's federal. Yeah,

1653
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: that's great, that's right, and that's been a huge headache. Man. Yep.

1654
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 3: So some of it's federal, some of it's not. Opening

1655
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 3: it up farmers. And this is survey after survey of

1656
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 3: farmers and growers and producers in the state of Iowa.

1657
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 3: They care about their impact on water quality, they care

1658
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 3: about their impact on the environment, They want to do better,

1659
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 3: survey after survey, but nine of farm income goes to

1660
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 3: the biggest ten percent of farms. A lot of farmers

1661
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 3: are just scraping by, and so they're putting together a

1662
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 3: plan saying, hey, I'll put my money into this plan.

1663
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 3: Here's what I'm going to do on this acreage on

1664
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 3: this parcel. Here's what I'm going to do over there,

1665
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 3: but I'm applying for the cost share because I can't

1666
01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:59,799
Speaker 3: do this whole thing by myself.

1667
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: Mm.

1668
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 3: And politicians aren't funding the programs enough and that of course,

1669
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 3: then the farmer's like, well then I can't do that,

1670
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 3: and all the rest of us are saying, well, then again,

1671
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 3: we don't see the improvements in water quality because it's

1672
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 3: not moving fast enough.

1673
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they don't kill the program, they just don't

1674
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 1: move the money to it.

1675
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 3: Right, it's still there and they can say, oh, we

1676
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 3: put this much into this program this year, But what

1677
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 3: they don't tell you is actually that much was applied

1678
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 3: for people want to do it, and instead they run

1679
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 3: around and try to divide us from each other because

1680
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 3: we got this again broken two choice system where they

1681
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 3: just try to say, oh, if so and so is

1682
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 3: talking about water quality, that means they're anti this or

1683
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 3: anti that.

1684
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: No.

1685
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 3: Actually, a lot of the people who are farming, who

1686
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 3: are growing, who are producing, they too want to help

1687
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 3: improve water quality. It's politicians that aren't giving them the

1688
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 3: money to do it.

1689
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: Oftentimes, so putting so acridgenda conservation programs. It could be that.

1690
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it could be putting in terraces, lots of

1691
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 3: different practices, could like improvements, ye, provements that just help

1692
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 3: water quality. I mean, maybe it's we are we are

1693
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 3: forty ninth in public land Iowa is, so maybe it's

1694
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 3: having more public land, but maybe it's actually just having

1695
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 3: more forty ninth forty ninth I would guess that. I

1696
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 3: think eighty five percent of Iowa is farmed or used

1697
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 3: in some way for agricultural production. So I'd like us

1698
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,719
Speaker 3: to improve that. You got a lot of folks access issues, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1699
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 3: Like there's a couple of there's a couple of Facebook

1700
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 3: bow hunter groups that I've been active in for a

1701
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 3: long time, and you always get a little bit extra credit,

1702
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 3: you know, if you're out there on public land to

1703
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 3: fill that tag. But we still just don't have that

1704
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 3: much by comparison to every other state. Do you guys

1705
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 3: have good stream access laws? If you get into a river,

1706
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 3: can you can you travel and.

1707
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: Anchor and wait?

1708
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:53,600
Speaker 3: Or that's actually a great question. You can travel, I

1709
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 3: don't know about anchoring. You can you could wade. I

1710
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 3: don't know to what degree got it, I would imagine

1711
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 3: because I'm just thinking mostly about like literally the size

1712
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 3: of a lot of rivers in Iowa. We got some

1713
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 3: of the best trout fishing in Midwest actually up in

1714
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 3: my hometown in Decora. A lot of these streams are

1715
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 3: teeny tiny. I mean you're talking about like nobody was

1716
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 3: a fly fisher when I was growing up in northeast Iowa.

1717
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 3: Because your stream is two and a half e whide.

1718
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 1: Got it.

1719
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 3: So you're you're you're standing there just plinking a spinner

1720
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 3: in and reeling it up, not float tripping.

1721
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm with you.

1722
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 3: And so waiting is like, you know, there's not even

1723
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 3: why would you The only thing I'm going to do

1724
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,560
Speaker 3: by waiting is let trout trut know that somebody is

1725
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 3: in that in that stream with them.

1726
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 1: That the stream access thing and the water access thing is.

1727
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: That's not something I discussed when I was grew up

1728
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 1: in Michigan, but it's a huge issue out here. Sure,

1729
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: sure with the with the larger rivers and whether you

1730
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 1: get on them. And I've been I've been vocal about

1731
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: the corner crossing stuff too.

1732
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 3: I Mean that's just that's like such a no brainer

1733
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 3: to me, Like, look, no one is doing anything to

1734
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 3: your property. I'm going to go from this public parcel

1735
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 3: here to that one that they touch each other. I

1736
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 3: can't imagine the attitude of someone who says, like, no,

1737
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 3: I don't want you to do that.

1738
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you the court. The courts all agree

1739
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 1: with you.

1740
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 3: Good, but it's not it hasn't been.

1741
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: Is it done. It's it's done that it's done in

1742
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: that the Ninth. So it was appealed and appealed and

1743
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: appeal the ninth Circuit Court. So the Federal ninth Federal

1744
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 1: Circuit Court ruled it it's legal. They tried to appeal

1745
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. They wouldn't hear it. Supreme Court said,

1746
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 1: feel settled us. Great, they didn't take the case it.

1747
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 1: What has yet to happen is the Ninth is Wyoming

1748
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 1: only cover wark. That's only good in New Mexico. But

1749
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: if you can rely on it still yeah, but the Tenth,

1750
01:25:56,240 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 1: like I guess what would happen is right now, it'll

1751
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:05,799
Speaker 1: take a little time to see if people corner cross

1752
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 1: and what prosecutor's attitude, because theoretically a prosecutor can still

1753
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: try to prosecute it. You could. I don't think there's

1754
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: a prosecutor in the State of Montana that it's going

1755
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 1: to take that case. I would hope not.

1756
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 3: There's no way I would think you'd have more people

1757
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 3: upset with you about it than you would have happy

1758
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:18,600
Speaker 3: with you.

1759
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 1: And why would you want to invite what happened down

1760
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: in Wyhoming.

1761
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 3: Well, and then especially what you're going to end up

1762
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 3: with is like, Okay, look, technically speaking, the Ninth Circuit

1763
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 3: decision doesn't apply outside of the Ninth Circuit, but we

1764
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 3: all know it exists. We all know the Supreme Court

1765
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 3: denied certification. At your point, so are you, as the prosecutor,

1766
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 3: going to put all these resources into a case that

1767
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 3: you think, at the end of the day you're probably

1768
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 3: going to lose.

1769
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. And in the case, they relied on this Unlawful

1770
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: Enclosures Act, which is an old grazing Act Unlawful Enclosures Act, oh,

1771
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 1: interest that was cited and that applies here. Yeah, that

1772
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 1: applies outside of the Ninth Circuit. Yeah, So it's like

1773
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 1: there's still some level of confusion. It would have been

1774
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 1: kind of cool if the Supreme Court had taken it. Yeah.

1775
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: On the other hand, the w Yeah, yeah, it could

1776
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:11,959
Speaker 1: have been kind of cool if if they want to

1777
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 1: just making it like just absolute law the land instead

1778
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: just the ramifications are gonna be slowed. Yeah.

1779
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, still though, I guess I and and and that's

1780
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 3: you know, and that's the other trick too, because if

1781
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 3: you're if a lot of the folks that are out

1782
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 3: there hunting public land is because they don't have access

1783
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 3: to private lan. Yeah, and so they're not the kind

1784
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,640
Speaker 3: of person who's like, suit me, I've got the resources

1785
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 3: to fight this out.

1786
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 1: Now.

1787
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 3: I'm betting that there's you know, uh, hunting advocacy organizations

1788
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 3: that would cover their legal expenses. But do they know

1789
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 3: that when they're standing there at that corner and they

1790
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:44,520
Speaker 3: want to do that cross.

1791
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 1: That's what happened in whom But no, they didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah,

1792
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, we spent we spent money on it. A

1793
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: lot of people spend money on it. Yeah.

1794
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 3: I listened to the I like the nature is nonpartisan. Guy,

1795
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 3: you guys had one back, Yeah, yeah. A lot of

1796
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 3: stuff that he says is kind of like in in

1797
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 3: the same thinking is the sort of anti two party

1798
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 3: system approach, just like we need to break break down

1799
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 3: the boxes, just get people to the point where you

1800
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 3: are free to think the way you think, tell people

1801
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 3: what you believe. The other benefit of it, too is

1802
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 3: I actually think you get the politicians have more and

1803
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 3: of incentive to be honest about their opponents and to

1804
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 3: be truthful because if you have Alaska actually is a

1805
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 3: great example of this. They have a reformed system. They

1806
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 3: have a single open primary, public primary. Every candidate is

1807
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 3: on it. Every voter, including the Independence can walk in.

1808
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 3: You just vote for your one favorite, and they send

1809
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 3: the top four or five to the general election, and

1810
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 3: then they do rank choice voting. The other thing I

1811
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 3: think is pretty simple is approval voting. Here are four candidates,

1812
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 3: vote for as many of them as.

1813
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 1: You approve of.

1814
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 3: Oh and so if you and me and Karin are

1815
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 3: running for office against each other and we have approval voting,

1816
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 3: I'm going to inherently understan that each of you have

1817
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 3: a bunch of people that really want you to win.

1818
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 3: But some of those people will also support me if

1819
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 3: I behave in a way that attracts their support. So

1820
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,560
Speaker 3: instead of being like krinn is the scum of the

1821
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 3: yearth you know, I'm gonna be like I like Krinn

1822
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 3: all but deserves to die.

1823
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 1: That's right, yes, right, But I don't want to take

1824
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: it too far.

1825
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 3: She's out to destroy your way of life. You know,

1826
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 3: if instead I highlight areas of agreement, if I tell you,

1827
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 3: you know, like I, Oh, we've texted for years, it

1828
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 3: was so fun to actually, you know, if I say

1829
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,839
Speaker 3: positive things about somebody instead of running them into the ground,

1830
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 3: then more of your supporters will also support me. And

1831
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 3: maybe it's only thirty percent, but if I can get

1832
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 3: thirty percent of your supporters to also back me instead

1833
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 3: of five percent, that helps me win. So we could

1834
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 3: have a system. It actually incentivizes civility honesty, right, because

1835
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 3: if I'm lying, all your supporters can be like, that's

1836
01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 3: a lie. He's terrible. I don't approve of him. Break

1837
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 3: down these walls, make politicians behave like normal people. Do that,

1838
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 3: and we can start really solving a lot of problems.

1839
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: After I've been more careful about this. But after Charlie

1840
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: kirk Kirk was killed, I started being like, now if

1841
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 1: I'm saying something, if I'm talking about a politician, I'll

1842
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:27,839
Speaker 1: be like, man, he loves his country, he loves his family.

1843
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 1: I don't agree with him about Buffalo it is.

1844
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 5: I think that's like I don't see how the eye

1845
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 5: on that. But let's just clarify that's right. I think

1846
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 5: that's loves America. I think that's a step in the

1847
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 5: right direction. But you don't see people do it very often.

1848
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 5: And this is you know what's funny too, is like

1849
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 5: if I mentioned those those bow hunting Facebook groups I'm in,

1850
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:54,759
Speaker 5: they're like the two most supportive Facebook groups I've ever seen,

1851
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 5: just people being like, good for you.

1852
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 3: You know, someone to put a post up right then,

1853
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 3: and it'll be someone who like, man, I've been hunting

1854
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 3: for three years. I finally got my first deer. It'll

1855
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:07,839
Speaker 3: be a Spike book then, like every single every single

1856
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 3: comment and maybe this is an Iowa thing that they

1857
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 3: don't want.

1858
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 1: They don't feel the need to tear them down.

1859
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 3: No, everyone's like, dude, way to go, way to be persistent,

1860
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 3: good for you. Like ordinary people we live in a world.

1861
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 3: Part of human nature is working together, supporting each other.

1862
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 3: And you look at the comments on these posts and

1863
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 3: these Facebook groups for hunting, and everybody is in there.

1864
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 3: They're not being like I would have shot that out

1865
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 3: of giving them four years to a t. They're all

1866
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 3: just like, way to go.

1867
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 1: Shoot. What makes you proud?

1868
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 3: If you're happy with that book.

1869
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: We love that book. Way to go, good for you.

1870
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 3: I was actually I just I just saw this article

1871
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 3: about they just did I can't remember if it's like

1872
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:51,480
Speaker 3: light ar, but somebody up in the Andes found funnels.

1873
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:54,759
Speaker 1: Yeah did you see those? About that? Oh? They found

1874
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 1: them under lake? Erie? Yeah?

1875
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 3: Oh no, way, all right, So we're talking like tens

1876
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 3: of thousands of years ago human beings are building funnels

1877
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 3: two Hunt, I think I said, Eerie.

1878
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 1: I think I said, Erie, you're supposed to stay here

1879
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 1: on but please continue? All right, all right? One of

1880
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:12,760
Speaker 1: them you're a Michigan, one of them. Yeah right, I'm like,

1881
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know which one Michigan is.

1882
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:20,679
Speaker 3: Uh. But that's human history, that's human nature. People tens

1883
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 3: of thousands of years ago building walls together to help

1884
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 3: funnel animals into the right and easiest place to kill them.

1885
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 1: Right before I did my buffalo Hunt read American Buffalo.

1886
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 3: Love reading that book. Oh like you, But that was

1887
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 3: so fun learning about because a lot of us I

1888
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 3: didn't know, you know, pointing them to the now and now.

1889
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 3: Of course I'm blanking on it, you know, getting them

1890
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 3: to the hill where there's the drop on the other side,

1891
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 3: the jump side. Yeah, but they're working together right to

1892
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:47,679
Speaker 3: make the job easier for everybody later on. But yet

1893
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 3: here we are with this political system that incentivizes anger

1894
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 3: and division and hatred and lying we're so much better

1895
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 3: than it.

1896
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 1: It's a mess. How It's gonna be hard for you

1897
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 1: to answer, honestly. There's a there's a piece of marital advice. Yanni,

1898
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 1: my buddy Yanni introduced me to it. Let's say you're

1899
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 1: fighting with your wife, yeah, and then you realize you're

1900
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 1: fighting about something you don't really care about. So what

1901
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 1: they'll do is the say me and crann are having

1902
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 1: a big fight about where this microphone would be, and

1903
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 1: I realized at some point I'm arguing, like hell, but

1904
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:31,640
Speaker 1: I's just like, I honestly don't It doesn't really but

1905
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm just here. Why am I arguing? I'm just here arguing, Yeah,

1906
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:37,640
Speaker 1: And I love my argument, And I would wind up

1907
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 1: saying it's a three out of ten for me. I

1908
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 1: love that it's a three out of ten, right, And

1909
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:48,679
Speaker 1: Krin's like, well it's a ten, yeah, and you're ten

1910
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: on that microphone. And I'm like, okay, that is a

1911
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 1: great idea, Right, I'm gonna try to put that into practice. Yeah,

1912
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 1: but you gotta be honest. But that's not the thing.

1913
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 1: You got to be honest about shits. No, no, if

1914
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 1: you set yourself like you put all this time, eighteen

1915
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 1: months and all that. Yeah, how much do you get

1916
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 1: in your head? How much do you get in your

1917
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 1: head about what if you fail?

1918
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 3: Not very much. I just work the hardest I can

1919
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 3: every day against serenity, prayer. Yeah, you know, what if

1920
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 3: I fail?

1921
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1922
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 3: I'll think about that if I fail.

1923
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: I've never been able to sit around being all depressed

1924
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 1: about that idea.

1925
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:30,640
Speaker 3: I've never been a big anticipator, got it. You know,

1926
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 3: like there's people who like, what's it going to be

1927
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 3: like when I this?

1928
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 1: When I that?

1929
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 3: For for big things and for little things.

1930
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1931
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 3: I'll find out when I get there. So this this

1932
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 3: buck for two minutes into honey light when I saw him.

1933
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 3: I typically do not get buck fever. I've taken I

1934
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 3: want to say, eight popen young bucks. It's funny because

1935
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 3: I capped out. I've got three between in the one

1936
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 3: four four in the one fifties, like one fifty three

1937
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 3: to one fifty nine. I've been stuck for years right,

1938
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 3: But every one of those bucks I've never gotten. Really

1939
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 3: the shakes. Okay, this buck I did. I wasn't thinking like,

1940
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 3: oh I wonder if I'll get buck fever. Finally when

1941
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 3: this buck shows up, it just happened. And then again

1942
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:19,759
Speaker 3: the second time when I'm putting up the tree stand,

1943
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 3: it just happened. Third time, world around, cool as a cucumber,

1944
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 3: got it. But I've just never been someone who's like, well,

1945
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 3: what if I this, or what if I that life's

1946
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,400
Speaker 3: gonna happen By the time I get there, I'll figure

1947
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 3: it out. What I can do right now today is

1948
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,719
Speaker 3: put all of my effort into making sure the outcome

1949
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 3: that I want is the outcome that happens.

1950
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 1: Got it? Yeah? Well, man, I hope that you come

1951
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 1: out of this whatever happens. Yeah, I hope you come

1952
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 1: out of this with the same spirit that you have now.

1953
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I hope I do too.

1954
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 1: I hate to see something bad happen. Yeah, I'm gonna

1955
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 1: sit there watching now. On election night, I'm gonna be watching.

1956
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 1: All right. All right, Well, we're freeling pretty good. The

1957
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:04,639
Speaker 1: only the only pole we've seen has us up by two.

1958
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 1: But those aren't worth a whole lot. A lot's going

1959
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 1: to happen between now and a year from nowns Man,

1960
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 1: So we'll see where it goes up. By two in

1961
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 1: the primary. No, no, in the they test.

1962
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 3: This is a poll that tested me versus sort of

1963
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 3: a Republican front runner or perceived front runner. Who knows

1964
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 3: who it is at the end of the day. So

1965
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 3: but that's, you know, worth a little bit more than

1966
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:27,679
Speaker 3: the paper it's printed on. At this point, we're happy

1967
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 3: to see it. We're not surprised to see it. We're

1968
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 3: just going to keep working hard every day. Are your

1969
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 3: campaign sign is going to be your buck photo? Actually

1970
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 3: I should send you, I should send you.

1971
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 1: And it's like a griff and grin I used to do.

1972
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 3: I used to do parades and I'd have my shoulder

1973
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 3: mounts hanging off the side of my truck and my

1974
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 3: and my my my sign would say Rob Sand for

1975
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:56,679
Speaker 3: State auditor bow hunter or no, it was like Rob

1976
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 3: Sand bow hunter and state auditor. He'll find our buck.

1977
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 3: That's good, it's fun. It's fun. I love every every

1978
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 3: every campaign cycle. We've always had funny ads like making

1979
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,720
Speaker 3: fun of me. Big target. You know, you don't need

1980
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 3: to be proficient for that one big target. But if

1981
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 3: I can make people laugh, whether it's on a parade

1982
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 3: or it's a TV commercial, like that public service you

1983
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 3: asked about, public service, Like that is a public service.

1984
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 3: We are living in very strange, oftentimes dark times. If

1985
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 3: I can give you an opportunity to put a smile

1986
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:31,679
Speaker 3: on your face, like I have done a good thing,

1987
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 3: that's good to Yeah. So yeah, we've we'll probably do

1988
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if we'll do something. We haven't really

1989
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,639
Speaker 3: talked about it, but we've done it in the past.

1990
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 3: The TV ads haven't been hunting oriented, but the parade

1991
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 3: floats have been.

1992
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 1: I should probably ask you a couple of technical hunting questions. Sure,

1993
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 1: when you're hunting those tight confines mm hm, and you

1994
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 1: just can't have one running off you shoot mechanicals? Oh boy,

1995
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 1: do we have this?

1996
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:57,680
Speaker 3: I got a long end.

1997
01:37:57,680 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to hit you with contentious No. No,

1998
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 1: I don't want to you with like the gotcha stuff.

1999
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 3: I got a long answer to this one. So I

2000
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:06,720
Speaker 3: used to shoot fixed blade. You got to take your

2001
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 3: shirt off of thistle warm here, a little warmon here.

2002
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 3: I used to shoot fixed blade.

2003
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:17,640
Speaker 1: Okay, then I saw this study from what is it

2004
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 1: Quality Deer Management Association QDMA good, and.

2005
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 3: Again like I'm a numbers guy. My in college, my

2006
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 3: honors thesis was a statistical analysis on a data set

2007
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 3: that I built with over forty thousand data points in it.

2008
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:35,520
Speaker 3: And so they're this cute. I think it was QDMA,

2009
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 3: but it was out there on the internet. And they

2010
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:40,800
Speaker 3: did this study in a permit only hunting environment, I

2011
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 3: think on a maybe on a military base. I'm pretty

2012
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 3: sure it was in Maryland, and they found that mechanicals

2013
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 3: gave you. Mechanicals gave you a higher recovery rate.

2014
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:49,600
Speaker 1: Got it.

2015
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 3: That was all I needed. Again, like I'm I'm I

2016
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 3: like truth. I like numbers, and even though I've been

2017
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:58,479
Speaker 3: shooting fixed blades, I read that, I'm like, all right,

2018
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 3: now I'm shooting mechanicals. I switched to mechanicals, I think

2019
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:03,759
Speaker 3: at the same time I switched to the deep six,

2020
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 3: like the micro diameter arrows, and so I got these ones.

2021
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:11,639
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get into brands, but yeah.

2022
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:13,679
Speaker 1: Because you lose all the voters, you know, I don't

2023
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 1: shoot the other brand. I was into that sand guy.

2024
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 4: And then he said he shoots rages, and now I

2025
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 4: think he sucks.

2026
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 3: I was gonna, ho there you go. I just don't

2027
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 3: want to. It's less about that I didn't. I was

2028
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:35,760
Speaker 3: not satisfied with the performance. I switched back to the

2029
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:38,800
Speaker 3: same fix that I was using, just I knew they

2030
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:39,520
Speaker 3: were reliable.

2031
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 1: I liked him.

2032
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 3: But then when I travel on the state, there's a

2033
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 3: few hunting archery shops. I'll go into one of them's

2034
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 3: in El cater Iowa. The guy that owns this guy

2035
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 3: named Dave, got.

2036
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 1: To know him.

2037
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 3: You know, I'll pop in, might only be once a year,

2038
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 3: but pop in to say, IH to Dave, see what

2039
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 3: he's got.

2040
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 1: What he's got, and he gave me.

2041
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 3: He was like, you got to shoot these because I

2042
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 3: was telling him, you know, like I switched to mecanic

2043
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 3: because I saw this study that says you get a

2044
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 3: better recovery rate. But it's been really frustrating. I switched

2045
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 3: to a two blade. I think the two blade if

2046
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 3: you hit it, if your blades are not vertical, and

2047
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 3: let's say you shoot quarter in a way right, Let's

2048
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 3: say your blades are like this, You're going to hit

2049
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:17,680
Speaker 3: that deer and one is going to flip out and

2050
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:20,520
Speaker 3: the other one's not, and so all of the trajectory

2051
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 3: and the energy of your arrow is going to twist.

2052
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 3: Probably it's just not going to get you the pass

2053
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 3: through that you want, and maybe that was the issue.

2054
01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:30,320
Speaker 3: But regardless of what the issue is, Dave was like,

2055
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 3: you got to shoot these, and he hands me a pack.

2056
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 3: You want, we can talk brands, grim reapers. It's a

2057
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:41,440
Speaker 3: four blade mechanical and four blade mechanics, four blade mechanical,

2058
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 3: so it's just you know, there's one that comes out

2059
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:48,599
Speaker 3: on each no collar on it, so it's like nothing

2060
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:50,639
Speaker 3: to mess around with. The ones I had had callers

2061
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 3: on them, and I didn't buy him the first year

2062
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 3: that he recommended him. I'm typically just like taking information right,

2063
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 3: but eventually I just to buy him. Man, that's all

2064
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 3: I'm shooting.

2065
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,960
Speaker 1: Now. That's a shot two o nine. That's what I shot,

2066
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 1: the two and nine, two nine, that's what you shot

2067
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 1: two O nine. I like the two on nine, So

2068
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 1: like the four O nine beach Boy nine.

2069
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 3: I should rewrite my four o nine. Thank you.

2070
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:19,680
Speaker 1: There we go. We're going to rewrite it my two

2071
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 1: o nine. The problem name in bucks actual names. Yeah,

2072
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 1: there's a story where there's two stories. Mark Kenyon had

2073
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 1: a buck named Frank and he called someone and said,

2074
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:35,559
Speaker 1: I shot Frank No, and people can take that wrong way.

2075
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:37,559
Speaker 1: And Jeff Foxforthy has that story where he had a

2076
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 1: buck named a person's name and he told his wife,

2077
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:45,760
Speaker 1: I shot I shot Dame, not who's dad from? Why

2078
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 1: did you do that?

2079
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:48,639
Speaker 3: Do I need to pack you a bag?

2080
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 1: Where are you right now? But yeah, I shot the

2081
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:54,280
Speaker 1: two O nine. I'm like, that sounds like a that's

2082
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:57,639
Speaker 1: a buck. Yeah, little split time, that's our drop point.

2083
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:01,600
Speaker 1: That's nine, that's right. Uh so yeah, I switched to

2084
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:02,519
Speaker 1: these grim Reapers.

2085
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 3: Every single shot now just max forty yards and drop

2086
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:10,639
Speaker 3: hm big exit.

2087
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:13,880
Speaker 1: I'll check it out. They're pretty good. I like to

2088
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:17,160
Speaker 1: argue about this with Tony Peterson. All right, yeah you don't,

2089
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:21,240
Speaker 1: I mean no, but all right, I think it's an

2090
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:24,800
Speaker 1: interesting conversation. It's one of the more interesting ones I

2091
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 1: think that there is in archery right now. Yeah, for

2092
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 1: a while, I quit. I tried to. For there's a

2093
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:33,719
Speaker 1: couple of years when I tried to not argue about gear.

2094
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:36,160
Speaker 3: That's just like not possible.

2095
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 1: I know, especially for you.

2096
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 3: I might be able to get away with it.

2097
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:41,640
Speaker 1: You know. Those guys that do that, they're like, uh,

2098
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 1: they'll say, well works for me. Yeah, like no, mony

2099
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:49,599
Speaker 1: like I could say to you, study after study after study,

2100
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:52,920
Speaker 1: right has shown that, well, that's what works for me. Right,

2101
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 1: and it just shuts It's just shooting.

2102
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 3: I'm shooting field points that works.

2103
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 1: It works for me. Yeah, and it just shuts everything down.

2104
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:02,760
Speaker 1: So instead of arguing about gear, because I'll say, you know,

2105
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,519
Speaker 1: of course my boots are the best. Yeah, you know,

2106
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:08,439
Speaker 1: my headlamp is the best. My buddy recently observed you

2107
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 1: always have the best headlamp, but you always have a

2108
01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 1: different headlamp.

2109
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 3: That's a great point. That is such a good point.

2110
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 1: That's frustrating, the one that you had a week ago

2111
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 1: that was the best.

2112
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 3: I'm picturing that Onion headline right now, World's worst person

2113
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 3: just made an amazing point. Right, It's like, ah, you're right.

2114
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,400
Speaker 1: So I tried to quit. I'm back in though now. Yeah. Yeah,

2115
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:35,360
Speaker 1: I'll argue about it, but I seriously I wish you

2116
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 1: good luck, Thank you.

2117
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.

2118
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, I like I want to I like

2119
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 1: talking to people in the political space who don't want

2120
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 1: to burn everything down.

2121
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:49,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, there's a great, a great line.

2122
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember who said it, and I can't.

2123
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 3: But any old meal can kick a barn down. Takes

2124
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:58,120
Speaker 3: a carpenter to build one. Yeah, we got a lot

2125
01:43:58,120 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 3: of building to do.

2126
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:02,599
Speaker 1: Yeah we do. Yeah, glue and stuff back together. Amen. Yeah.

2127
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 1: I hope you whatever happens in your campaign, you your opponents,

2128
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 1: I hope you do that, and I wish you lucky

2129
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 1: out on that night.

2130
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be watching, all right.

2131
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 1: I appreciate that if we hear about Iowa all the time,

2132
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:17,200
Speaker 1: because you guys vote real early, and that's right, that's right,

2133
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:23,559
Speaker 1: it'll be easy track all Rob saying, Iowa, Iowa's state auditor.

2134
01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 1: You got it running for the position of governor.

2135
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:32,519
Speaker 3: And chief white tail bow hunter.

2136
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:36,360
Speaker 1: If you're in Des Moines and you don't like hunting

2137
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 1: and you see a very large buck and you're in

2138
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 1: town there, call Rob. That's right, don't call anybody else.

2139
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:54,600
Speaker 1: Please send photo of buck. Will provide venison. Thank you

2140
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:55,040
Speaker 1: very much.

2141
01:44:55,240 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thanks,